Post by: ConfusedAgain on October 09, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
In the market for my first HDTV...will watch mainly sports, movies but also do a lot of 360 gaming on it. I have heard a lot of tv's have bad video lag issues when it comes to gaming. Anyone have any input on which type of HDTV is best for the best gaming experience?
I am considering a Samsung plasma, the new Sony SXRD (60-inch XBR2) or a Samsung DLP, the 6188 model. The dudes at Gamestop told me DLP is the best for gaming but I'd figure I should ask the good folks here first.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: xboxmodder4life on October 09, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
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Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on October 09, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
i personally dont care for plasmas, especially with the chance of burn in,
also, if you have kids, you can fuxx up a plasma very easily applying pressure to the screen.
Post by: Caldor on October 09, 2006, 07:04:00 PM
1. HDCRT
2. Plasma
3. LcOS
and then onwards
Post by: sarcoptic on October 09, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: Heet on October 09, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
Sorry there is no contest. Ive got a nice LCD and HDCRT and the LCOS makes them look mickey mouse.
Go to a store and check them out. And you'll be like (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
*edit, he did say for gaming. If you want deeper blacks then DLP. IF you dont care then you want LCOS.
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Post by: ConfusedAgain on October 09, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
I really like the Samsung S5073 plasma...but not sure if I want to risk gaming on that sucker. The set does feature "floating pixel" technology which is supposed to reduce risk of burn in, but on AVSFORUM some people have still reported burn in issues. Image retention as well.
I went to see the DLP sets and they don't look as sharp as plasma...although many are saying that 360 performs great on the DLP sets. I am probably more confused now than I have ever been.
I am still considering the new Sony SXRD's...the 60XBR2. Not sure how that does for gaming....I might take my XBOX to the store and hook it up to test it...guess we'll see!
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on October 10, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
also, it takes a hell of a long time to burn in a set.
i got some burn in playing a certain MMORPG beta a while back, and that was excessive gaming almost to the max, and i can hardly see it anymore.
if you are a halo addict that plays all day everyday, then worry about a perma-hud, but casual gaming shouldnt mess it up.
Post by: ChldsPlay on October 10, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: grim_d on October 10, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
QUOTE(ChldsPlay @ Oct 11 2006, 12:03 AM) 
I still prefer the picture quality of my 6 year old CRT than that of anything I've seen of DLP, Plasma, and SXRD at the stores. None of those seem as crisp on the edges. Unfortunately, being 6 years old, I have no HDMI, so I'm hoping studios don't start implementing that copyright crap to downscale movies anytime soon. When I do get another TV, I'll probably go with CRT again, depending on what comes out by then. It just looks better to me, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper. Don't want to have to replace bulbs either.
sounds like you may be interested in SED displays when they become available, similar technologhy to CRT but in glorious HD, proposed to be better quality and cheaper than LCD OR Plasma.
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Post by: thax on October 13, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
LCD TV's are also good choices. The main disadvantage is you get a smaller screen size for the amount of money you spend. If you want a 50" screen then you should probably look at other technologies.
I would stay away from plasma, your display device supports activities meant to be fun or relaxing, and worrying about burn-in detracts from this experiance.
I really don't know much about the newer LCOS displays so I can't comment on those.
Post by: halofun121 on October 13, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
My mom just blindly went out and bought a Sony Bravia 32" LCD. Picture quality was nice, although it has that whacky 1368x768 (or whatever it is) native resolution and no VGA input.
I saw a DLP in Best Buy running at 1080p. I was quite impressed, and did not notice any rainbow effect. Picture was crisp and clear, and they even started PGR3 on it.
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Post by: thax on October 13, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(halofun121 @ Oct 13 2006, 07:34 PM)
Be careful who you talk to in a store. Some guy was trying to tell me that 720p and 1080i are basically the same thing....umm...yeah.
In terms of delivered pixel count they are very similar. Typically 1080i is found on CRT displays where interlacing is common, where are 720p is typically on the new LCD, DLP and plasma technologies.QUOTE
My mom just blindly went out and bought a Sony Bravia 32" LCD. Picture quality was nice, although it has that whacky 1368x768 (or whatever it is) native resolution and no VGA input.
1366x768 is the native resolution of a majority of LCD panels, it isn't exactly whacky.
Post by: Caldor on October 13, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
Sony's SXRD in the XBR2 range has:
1. No rainbow effect like single chip DLP - no colour wheel
2. Very small inter pixel spacing - no window effect like all LCDs
3. No motion blur - very fast 5ms total time, thats 2.5ms per blit
4. A native 1080P display - wouldnt accept anything less
5. No dodgy ways for getting 1080P like DLP sets that use wobbulation to get 1080P
6. 10:000 : 1 contrast ratio through a dynamic iris technology
7. Good off angle visbility
Post by: thax on October 13, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
The only disadvantage would probably be lamp replacement (if they are rear projection) and possibly cost. I would guess that since they appear to be really good, they probably cost quite a bit as well.
Post by: mlmadmax on October 13, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5108443-3.html
I have seen and heard very good things about SXRD but they are still prone to dead pixels and I just can't take that risk on a $4000.00 TV. Also there is a lamp replacement and it is $250 for a new lamp. The picture is very good though even up close no screen door effect.
This post has been edited by mlmadmax: Oct 14 2006, 03:48 AM
Post by: Caldor on October 14, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
Lasers and Sed will rule them all but right now the most realistic option is the SXRD RPTVs. LCDs are too small in screen size and the native 1080P plasma's in large sizes are out of most peoples price range.
I want to use my screen for home cinema as well and if you apply the THX recommendations for screen angle against screen size for most people with their viewing distances that means a 60" or larger screen.
EDIT: And I reckon that being able to change the light source is better than not. Plasma / LCD / CRTS they will all loose brigthness as they age. With being able to replace the lightsouce it lasts longer without the image quality suffering.
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Oct 14 2006, 12:02 PM) 
I have seen and heard very good things about SXRD but they are still prone to dead pixels
Some of the first generation XBR1's had a green blob problem although thats not dead pixels - these were fixed uner warranty. I have never heard of dead pixels on any LCOS display - the technology is a mix of reflective and transmissive approaches and I honestly cant see how any dead pixels could ever occur. Please provide examples if you can.
The current generation XBR2's to my knowledge have not had any units with green blob problems
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Post by: mlmadmax on October 14, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
Any liquid crystal based technology can get dead pixels and that is a fact, I am not trying to bash SXRD because it is a really great TV and dead pixels are becoming less of a problem but they can still happen.
Like I said before I can't spend $4000.00 on a tv only to have it develope a dead pixel becuse that would drive me crazy, some people might not care but I do.
http://www.retailaccess.com/tech_training/...plays.html#lcos
The above article is kind of a long read but in there it does say LCoS displays can develop dead pixels, I also understand that SXRD isn't exactly LCoS but they are ver very closely related.
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Post by: Navillos on October 14, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Migit109 on October 14, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
if you really want some good oppinions on what to get you need to know what size room your going to be in so you can find out what size display you need and then how much money your willing to spend.
but if you want some really good suggestions hop on the avsforum.com and they can get you going in the right direction
oh and plasma is about suseptable to burn in as crts are now adays and dlp's can have problems being there is a mirror in there spinning at 7200rpm and lcd is actually getting right up with plasma its mainly the best choice for under 40" BUT dlp is a steal if you want a big display
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Post by: Caldor on October 14, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Oct 15 2006, 01:52 AM)
Both LCD and LCoS are liquid crystal based they just use a different substrate, so you could say that LCoS and therefore SXRD are based on LCD technology.
http://www.retailacc...plays.html#lcos
The above article is kind of a long read but in there it does say LCoS displays can develop dead pixels, I also understand that SXRD isn't exactly LCoS but they are ver very closely related.
I understand what your saying and I appreciate the link. I'll take a look.
The thing about LCOS is that it is both a transmissive (like LCD) and reflective (like DLP) technology. It is substantially different to LCD and I think this is why in a practical sense there has not been dead pixel problems.
To the other poster I wouldnt get a HDCRT, even though they provide the best image quality for all currently available displays you have these problems:
1. Which HDCRT actually supports a native resolution of 1080P with HDMI and HDCP compliance?
2. Which HDCRT is available in a 60" screen size?
3. If one ever was released with this, could you image how large and heavy such a unit would be?
Rather go onto the AVS forum and have beginners ask the same questions over and over have a look at this URL which has a viewing distance and screen size calculator:
http://www.myhomethe...ancemetric.html
To support the recommended THX viewing angles most people need a 60" or bigger display for high def material. The old rules about screen size arent applicable for high defintion sources.
EDIT: That article is out of date in some areas. The Sony SXRD has a true 5ms refresh, which some manufacturers would call a 2.5ms refresh. The advnaced iris technology for contrast results in contrast ratios typically better than LCD and Plasma displays.
I'm suprised how people keep recommending LCD and DLP displays despite the clear evidence of the shortcomings. The latest generation Plasma's are good for image quality and have made many advnaces with the burnin problem but the cost of a 60"+ plasma that has a native 1080P capability is very expensive.
Post by: Bogg2 on October 16, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: BigDog1002 on October 17, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(ChldsPlay @ Oct 11 2006, 12:03 AM)
I still prefer the picture quality of my 6 year old CRT than that of anything I've seen of DLP, Plasma, and SXRD at the stores. None of those seem as crisp on the edges. Unfortunately, being 6 years old, I have no HDMI, so I'm hoping studios don't start implementing that copyright crap to downscale movies anytime soon. When I do get another TV, I'll probably go with CRT again, depending on what comes out by then. It just looks better to me, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper. Don't want to have to replace bulbs either.
You, my friend, are correct. No picture can ever top the display of a HDCRT.. only problem is the sizes available and the A/V connections available. I have one HDCRT (oh yeah and the size too.. thing is a freaking TANK.. impossible to move) and a 42" Panasonic Plasma.. I love the plasma but the CRT is still the best image quality
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Post by: Heet on October 18, 2006, 03:23:00 AM
Thing is so bad ass for a bedroom tv.
Post by: jonboyo on October 28, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
Research and await them....thats my plan.
Since I don't want to feel left on the shelf with an expensive plasma/lcd when these babies come out!
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Post by: EugeneEW3RD on November 20, 2006, 04:33:00 AM
Post by: Heet on April 10, 2007, 12:09:00 AM
at sams.
We bought a 37" Vizio lcd a year ago for 1299$ and just got cash back (400$) for the price it is now (799)$.
Im thinking we'll probably get back about the same on the plasma so it will end up costing around 1000$.
Not a 3000$ Panasonic but its one of the best pictures ive ever seen. You can return stuff there for any reason within 6 months so im not worried about the burn in.
Anyone here ever calibrated a plasma? Im new to calibration, any advice on which disk is the best? Only asking because I hear the AVIA is old and not as good.
Post by: gordita37 on April 09, 2007, 11:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Heet @ Oct, 01:54 AM)
Yep my bedroom tv is a 30" philips HDCRT refurb that you can get for 300$ shipped to your door (www.outlet.philips.com).
Thing is so bad ass for a bedroom tv.
I'm thinkin real hard about getting that little beast of a TV, only question I have though is... Does it support 720p?
Post by: gordita37 on April 15, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
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