Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
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--==Video==--
What is "HD"?HD stands for High Definition. HD is really just a resolution standard for your TV... they list these resolutions by the vertical pixel count and whether or not the picture is interlaced or progressive scan.
Progressive Scan vs. Interlaced
Imagine the picture on your TV is drawn like your computer's printer, one line across at a time... a progressive scan picture draws these lines in order [1,2,3,4,5...] while and interlaced picture does the odds first then goes back and does all the evens [1,3,5,7,9.......then back to the top and 2,4,6,8........] It's generally considered that progressive scan image is superior in quality to a interlaced image of equal resolution.
"HD Ready" vs. "HD Built-In"
HD Ready simply means that the display is incapable of accecpting a cable TV or broadcast signal and extracting HD content from it. That is the ONLY thing it means. In other words it does not have built in tuner so you'll need a "cable box" or "HD Antenna" to watch TV shows from cable and over the air in HD. In most cases cable providers have a specialized box anyway meaning even if you had a display with an "HD Tuner Built In" it wouldn't be used anyway. This has NO effect on the TV's compatability with consoles, DVD players or anything other then Cable and Broadcast television signals.
Aspect Ratio
The Aspect Ratio is basically the relationship in length between the width and the height of the video. There are two basic aspect ratios. Widescreen which has a ratio of 16:9 and FullScreen which has a ratio of 4:3. If you do some simple math it can be deduced that widescreen is 1/3 wider than a Fullscreen counterpart of the same height.
Video Formats
There are 3 formats of TV... SDTV, EDTV and HDTV
SDTV is Standard Definition TV which is 480i
So the image is interlaced with a 640x480 resolution (or 720x480 if it's widescreen)
EDTV is Enhanced Definition TV which is 480p
So it's similar to SDTV except the image is progressive scan instead of interlaced
again it's 640x480 for square screens and 720x480 for wide screens
HDTV is High Definition TV which can be either 720p or 1080i (and eventually 1080p)
1280x720 progressive scan and 1920 x 1080 interlaced respectively
Depending on who you talk to some will claim that 720p is better than 1080i and visa versa. Most TVs will only support one or the other. When 1080p becomes an official standard there will be no contest. However it is not yet an official standard as recognized by the Consumer Electronics Association. These formats are available in WIDESCREEN ONLY.
Video Cables
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/0/0c/Rca_cable.gif)Composite - Often referred to as "RCA" cables; the lowest quality cable you can get, this is a single pin Yellow dongle cable typically found alongside the Red and White stereo audio connectors. The entire video signal is contained on a single wire within this cable. This cable only supports SDTV.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/1/1f/Svideo_connector.gif)S-Video - S-Video is a significant improvement over Composite; Luminance (Contrast Information) and Chrominance (Color information) have been separated to improve clarity. This cable also sports a yellow dongle and is typically found along side the red and white audio connectors. This cable only supports SDTV.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/1/16/Component_cables.gif)Component - A dramatic improvement over S-Video and Composite this breaks down the signal even further for greater quality. This is a set of 3 cables with Red Green and Blue dongles that look similar to the composite connector. Despite the colors being Red Green and Blue in the NTSC standard they aren't actually broken down color wise like that. This cable supports SDTV, EDTV, and HDTV.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/3/36/BNC_Connector.gif)RGB - This is an old school format sometimes the connector looks like a VGA computer connector sometimes it it is split out over 3 cables colored Red Green and Blue with BNC type connectors (push on a twist lock). Unlike Component, these cables actually represent Red Green and Blue. This Cable supports SDTV, EDTV and various computer resolutions.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/f/ff/SCART_connector.JPG)SCART -SCART stands for "Syndicat des Constructeurs dAppareils Radio Recepteurs et Televisieurs" (again French). Scart Carries both Analog Audio (see audio section below) As well as Composite Video and can be configured to carry either RGB Video or S-Video (S-VHS) type signals all in the same cable. SCART cables support SDTV and sometimes (although rare) EDTV, and HDTV signals. SCART cables and connectors are available in Europe and other PAL countries as well as Japan.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/f/f2/Vga_cable.gif)VGA - I'm sure you're familiar with VGA, VGA is very similar to RGB except not only are the colors broken down separately but the vertical and horizontal syncs are broken down as well. This is only ever found an single cable with a 15 pin connector (usually Blue). This Cable supports various computer resolutions
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/4/4b/DVI_connectors.gif)DVI - DVI is the first True Digital Interface. All previously mentioned cables are analog video data while DVI supports digital video data. There are 2 versions of DVI cables DVI-I and DVI-D. DVI-I supports both analog and digital data while DVI-D support ONLY digital data. The analog data that can travel through a DVI-I connector is the same as VGA. This cable typically has a narrow wide White connector that looks like a squashed version of a VGA connector. If you have a True Digital video screen such as a DLP projector or LCD TV (or LCD computer monitor) DVI-D is the purest video connector for you, This Cable supports SDTV, EDTV, HDTV as well as computer resolutions.
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/a/ac/HDMI_connector.gif)HDMI - The king daddy of them all This cable is essentially a smaller version of the DVI-D connector with Digital Audio built in as well(see below). A single Hi-Definition cable for Audio and Video. This will most likely be the cable standard of choice for a while. This Cable also supports SDTV, EDTV, and HDTV
What's the Best Video Format to use?
In general the pecking order of the above format is as follows:
RF (Cable) < Composite < S-Video (SVHS SCART) < Component < RGB (RGB SCART) < VGA (DVI-A) < HDMI (DVI-D)
--==Audio==--
Channel Numbering
You may see listings like "5.1" or "7.1" but what does it actually mean? The number before the point refers to the number of "satellite" speakers, which are typically cover the mid to high sound range. The number after the point refers to the number of low frequency speakers, typically sub-woofers. It is generally accepted that if no sub-woofer is being used the satellite speakers are outputting the full range. So if you were to see:
1.0 -front-center
2.0 -front-left and front-right
2.1 -front-left, front-right, and sub-woofer
3.0 -front-left, front-right, and front-center
3.1 -front-left, front-right, front-center, and sub-woofer
4.0 -front-left, front-right, front-center, and rear(two speakers with identical outputs)
4.1 -front-left, front-right, front-center, rear(two speakers with identical outputs), and sub-woofer
5.0 -front-left, front-right, front-center, rear-left, and rear-right
5.1 -front-left, front-right, front-center, rear-left, rear-right and sub-woofer
6.1 -front-left, front-right, front-center, rear-left, rear-right, rear-center, and sub-woofer
7.1 -front-left, front-right, front-center, rear-left, rear-right, rear-center(two speakers with identical outputs), and sub-woofer
Why only one sub woofer?
Low frequency noises are "non-directional" meaning that the human ear cannot typically determine the direction in which the sound is coming from. Under this theory it shouldn't matter where we place the sub woofer or how many sub woofers we have as the output would generally be the same. If you can easily tell the direction in which your subwoofer's sound is coming from your system either needs to be adjusted or upgraded.
Audio Formats
Monaural (Mono or Phono) [1.0]
This is a 1 channel analog sound source. The full name is Monaural but it's often called Mono or Phono for short. Mono is obviously derived from Monaural but phono is derived from phonograph (a record player) which only has a single channel output.
Stereo [2.0 or 2.1]
This is a 2 channel analog sound source. It is probably the most frequently used today. The sub-woofer channel (if used) is "created" by the decoding device as there is no data in the source material to identify what sounds should be sent to the sub-woofer.
Dolby Pro Logic [3.0, 3.1, 4.0 or 4.1]
This is a 3 or 4 channel analog sound source. Dolby Pro Logic basically encodes the signals for front-center and rear within an analog stereo signal. A Pro Logic decoder then expands the stereo signal by looking at differences in the left and right speaker's signals to extrapolate what sounds should be coming out of the front-center and rear channels. If the receiving devices does not support Pro Logic decoding it will output only stereo sound. Despite the fact that it only has a single rear channel two speakers are typically used in the rear and their outputs are identical. Again, the sub-woofer channel (if used) is "created" by the decoding device as there is no data in the source material to identify what sounds should be sent to the sub-woofer.
Dolby Pro Logic II [5.0 or 5.1]
This is a 5 channel analog sound source. Dolby Pro Logic II uses the same idea as the encoding/decoding methods as the aforementioned Dolby Pro Logic with the exception that the rear channels are now independent.
Dolby Pro Logic IIx [7.0 or 7.1]
This is a 7 channel analog sound source. Dolby Pro Logic IIx uses the same idea as the encoding/decoding methods as the aforementioned Dolby Pro Logic with the exception that there is an extra set of independent rear channels bringing it to full 7.1
Dolby Digital 5.1 [5.1]
This is a 5 channel digital sound source. Unlike Dolby Pro Logic each of the 5 satellite channels as well as the sub-woofer channel are encoded independently and remain completely independent throughout the system.
DTS (Digital Theater System) [5.1]
This is a 5 channel digital sound source. Similar To Dolby Digital 5.1 each of the 5 satellite channels as well as the sub-woofer channel are encoded independently and remain completely independent throughout the system. DTS uses less compression than Dolby Digital 5.1 and because of this is often considered a superior format. It's important to note that DTS is not officially supported by the DVD format which is probably why not many DVDs use it.
Dolby Digital EX [6.1 or 7.1]
This is a 6 channel digital sound source. Similar to Dolby Digital This features the addition of a rear center channel. In some cases the rear-left and rear-right channels are moved forward to become center-left and center-right channels and the rear center is broken into two rear channels to make 7.1
DTS-ES [6.1 or 7.1]
This is a 6 channel digital sound source. Similar to Dolby Digital EX.
DTS:Neo6 [6.1 or 7.1]
This is a 6 channel analog sound source. Similar to DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX in terms of speaker setup but similar in encoding/decoding to Dolby Pro Logic II.
Cables
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/0/0c/Rca_cable.gif)Patch Cables (RCA)
Patch cables are the most common type of analog audio connection. One RCA patch cable is required for a mono signal. Two RCA patch cables are required for Stereo, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Pro Logic II, and DTS:Neo6. In some instances where no particular multi channel encoding format is used (like in SACD and DVD-A devices) a single RCA patch cable might be used for each individual channel.
SCART
SCART Carries both Analog Audio As well as various video signal (see video section above). SCART cables have 2 way analog audio, meaning it can send and accept audio signals at the same time. SCART supports the same audio formats as RCA patch cables. SCART cables and connectors are only available in Europe and other PAL countries and Japan.
Coaxial
Coaxial is the most common type of digital audio connection. It uses the S/PDIF (Sony/Phillips Digital Interface) standard to transfer the digital information. A Coaxial connection is essentially a single RCA patch cable that transfers all audio information digitally through a single cable. This format supports Mono, Stereo, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS:Neo6, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, Dolby Digital EX, and DTS-ES
(IMG:http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/images/7/78/Optical_toslink_cable.jpg)Optical (Toslink)
Optical is very similar to Coaxial in that it also uses to the S/PDIF format to transfer digital audio data except rather than using an RCA patch cable it uses a fiber optic Toslink cable. This means that rather than the digital signal being transfered with electronic pulses through the cable. The signal is converted into pluses of light and then converted back into electronic pulses once it reaches it's destination. This format has the benefit of not being effected by outside interference between the source to the decoder. This format supports Mono, Stereo, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS:Neo6, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, Dolby Digital EX, and DTS-ES
HDMI
HDMI is a single digital cable for Audio and Video (see video section above). This will most likely be the cable standard of choice for a while. For the audio portion of this cable it uses the same S/PDIF format as Optical and Coaxial. This format supports Mono, Stereo, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Pro Logic II, DTS:Neo6, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, Dolby Digital EX, and DTS-ES
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I'm not the foremost authority on this stuff, I've only been into the A/V scene for short while now so I could be wrong on some accounts. If I stated something incorrect please let me know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
This post has been edited by twistedsymphony: Apr 21 2006, 10:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 14, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
The thing is, 16:9 cannot be reduced any further.
Maybe I am misinterpreting is incorrectly, if so, corrct me.
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 14, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jun 14 2005, 05:30 PM)
Well, you said that 12:9 is the same as 16:9.
The thing is, 16:9 cannot be reduced any further.
Maybe I am misinterpreting is incorrectly, if so, corrct me.
The thing is, 16:9 cannot be reduced any further.
Maybe I am misinterpreting is incorrectly, if so, corrct me.
no 4:3 is the same as 12:9
I need to re-word that part.
This post has been edited by twistedsymphony: Jun 15 2005, 12:34 AM
Post by: cromat44 on June 15, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: Carlo210 on June 16, 2005, 05:13:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 01:36 AM)
no 4:3 is the same as 12:9
I need to re-word that part.
I need to re-word that part.
Yeah maybe so :P
nice faq btw. :beer: :beer:
Also take a check up on the part where you say "These resolutions are for widescreen Only" because you can technically still use them under a 4:3 hd tv, it just letterboxes the image (you obviously know this lol). That makes it widescreen though, so I guess I'll just shut up go and eat some :popcorn: . < wow that's really getting old isn't it.
This post has been edited by Carlo210: Jun 16 2005, 12:16 PM
Post by: Xtrem on June 16, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 16, 2005, 06:56:00 AM
I had written up a watered down version of the video part a while ago and figured it was a good start to a FAQ.
I was unable to find a good all in one primer on HD and Surround Sound so I made my own.
Post by: mterlouw on June 19, 2005, 09:53:00 PM
Also, what's the difference between Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS. The explanations sound exactly the same.
Thanks for writing the guide, twistedsymphony. :)
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 20, 2005, 08:29:00 AM
DD and DTS ARE essentially the same... they're competing encoding formats. I'm fairly certain Sony owns the DTS format, Dolby Laboratories owns the DD format (I think Philips has some stakes in them) though I could be wrong. Depending on who you talk to they'll claim one is superior to the other, but unless you're listening to them on a several thousand dollar system and a complete audio nerd the differences are indistinguishable. I personally like DTS encoded stuff a little better than DD 5.1 but DVDs aren't encoded in DTS all too often (to my knowledge NO games are encoded in it) and they typically end up being more expensive when they are. IMO it's not worth the extra money but if there's no cost difference and you have the option I'd grab the DTS.
I should also note that DTS does not and will never be a THX certified format for the simple reason that Lucas has stock in Dolby Labs. This should be enough to convince you that there are more political and marketing differences than there are quality differences between the formats.
If you're intersted in more here is a good article on the differences (both real and percieved): http://www.dvdreview...o_special_.html
Post by: CrisK on June 28, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
You should add Dolby Prologic IIx to the list of surround formats. Prologic IIx sends matrixed information to the 2 center rear speakers. Not discrete information, but unique to each speaker. Very impressive sounding and quickly becoming the new "must have" in receivers.
DTS uses less compression than Dolby Digital.
Regarding the S-Video Cable: Chrominance carries the color portion of the video signal, meaning saturation and hue. Luminance carries the brightness, contrast, etc. part of the signal.
RGB Cables can carry an HD signal.
Once again, this is very informative and well written. Great for someone just starting to learn about this technology.
CrisK
Post by: twistedsymphony on September 12, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
QUOTE(CrisK @ Jun 28 2005, 04:32 PM)
This is definitely a great FAQ! Just had a few corrections for you to consider:
You should add Dolby Prologic IIx to the list of surround formats. Prologic IIx sends matrixed information to the 2 center rear speakers. Not discrete information, but unique to each speaker. Very impressive sounding and quickly becoming the new "must have" in receivers.
DTS uses less compression than Dolby Digital.
Regarding the S-Video Cable: Chrominance carries the color portion of the video signal, meaning saturation and hue. Luminance carries the brightness, contrast, etc. part of the signal.
RGB Cables can carry an HD signal.
Once again, this is very informative and well written. Great for someone just starting to learn about this technology.
CrisK
You should add Dolby Prologic IIx to the list of surround formats. Prologic IIx sends matrixed information to the 2 center rear speakers. Not discrete information, but unique to each speaker. Very impressive sounding and quickly becoming the new "must have" in receivers.
DTS uses less compression than Dolby Digital.
Regarding the S-Video Cable: Chrominance carries the color portion of the video signal, meaning saturation and hue. Luminance carries the brightness, contrast, etc. part of the signal.
RGB Cables can carry an HD signal.
Once again, this is very informative and well written. Great for someone just starting to learn about this technology.
CrisK
Thanks for those Tid-bits... I'm working on an updated version now :beer:
http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/index.php?title...ats_Demystified
Post by: kevlar69 on December 07, 2005, 05:39:00 PM
1, S Video is widely used in the uk, a PAL country.
2, why no mention of Scart? This is probably the most well known and used connection in the UK and sits neatly between S Video and Component in quality terms.
Post by: RocketMBA on December 07, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on December 07, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(kevlar69 @ Dec 7 2005, 07:46 PM) 
Great guide, just 2 things I'd like to mention;
1, S Video is widely used in the uk, a PAL country.
2, why no mention of Scart? This is probably the most well known and used connection in the UK and sits neatly between S Video and Component in quality terms.
hmmm... I thought I had covered it but I guess not...
it's sort of covered and it's not covered at the same time.
SCART is sort of a jack of all trades, it can do composite, s-video, RGB, and component, not to mention it also does stereo audio. Either way it does belong up there, after-all I did cover DVI which is sort of the same boat.
I wasn't aware that S-Video was available in Europe, I was under the impression that they had it, but only though an "S-VHS SCART" connector.
I'll make some changes and get that fixed...
EDIT: TOP POST UPDATED!
Post by: C o s m o on December 21, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: BadNinja3 on December 23, 2005, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: WhiteshooZ on January 21, 2006, 04:48:00 AM
That being said, I have a quick question. You said
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Component - ... This cable supports SDTV, EDTV, and HDTV.
Does that mean that by using the OEM component cables, I can get a 1080i signal to my HD TV from my 360?
I was under the impression that the best signal component could give my TV was 480i.
I went and ordered a VGA Connector under the assumption that this would give me the best possible picture. Did I just waste a bunch of money?
Thanks,
Ben
NM: I think I found my answer:
Component: High-definition gaming output of 720p or 1080i
Post by: twistedsymphony on January 21, 2006, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE(WhiteshooZ @ Jan 21 2006, 06:55 AM)
First off, let me say your A/V faq is outstanding </buttkissing>
That being said, I have a quick question. You said
Does that mean that by using the OEM component cables, I can get a 1080i signal to my HD TV from my 360?
I was under the impression that the best signal component could give my TV was 480i.
I went and ordered a VGA Connector under the assumption that this would give me the best possible picture. Did I just waste a bunch of money?
Thanks,
Ben
NM: I think I found my answer:
Component: High-definition gaming output of 720p or 1080i
I think you're confusing composite (single yellow wire) with component (red green blue wires)
And while VGA is theoretically superior to component, I've heard nothing but complaint from people who have purchased them. You may want to consider sending back that cable you just ordered. read this thread: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=471233
Post by: twistedsymphony on January 27, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
QUOTE(WhiteshooZ @ Jan 21 2006, 11:51 PM)
For some reason I can't get anything better than 480i out of my component (RGB / 3 "RCA's") and it comes in a 4:3 ratio. :boggle:
I'm completely stumped.
I have the 2 audio and 3 video connections hooked up to my TV (Sony KDS-R50XBR1) yet the display still claims the picture is 480i.
Shame gettting the video to work wasn't as easy as the 5.1 DTS audio. =(
I'll probably keep my VGA connection since the shipping was almost as much as the product. Plus, I'd like to see if I can take advantage of the 1920 x 1080 resolution the TV has.
I don't believe the 360 RGB cables support anything above 480i 4:3, if it does support anything better you'll be able to change the settings on the system blade in the dashboard (so check there).
the 360 VGA doesn't support 1920x1080
Post by: wolrahnaes on February 20, 2006, 10:05:00 PM
4.1 is generally used to refer to a computer 4.1 setup, which is two front, two rear, and a sub. 4.0 is pretty much only seen in Dolby Pro Logic form, in which case you are right in saying 3 front + 1 rear. (though some could argue it's a 3.1 system since the mono rear channel is limited in frequency range, just like the LFE channel in 5.1 and up setups)
also, on that subject, have you ever actually seen a 3.0 or 3.1 setup as you describe in use? Personally I've never heard of it. If you're going to bother with more than two speakers and a sub, you might as well do it right and get at least 5 satellites.
QUOTE(WhiteshooZ @ Jan 21 2006, 11:51 PM)
For some reason I can't get anything better than 480i out of my component (RGB / 3 "RCA's") and it comes in a 4:3 ratio. :boggle:
Just a thought: did you flip the switch on the 360 end of the plug to HDTV mode?
Post by: cosism on April 12, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 12, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
QUOTE(cosism @ Apr 12 2006, 04:25 PM)
Wow, very informative. This read answered most of the questions that I had initially. Thats said, I still have a question. I use the HD pack and an optical audio cable. Will HDMI( which you stated processes the same information in the same way as a component(HD) pack and a optical audio together) eliminate the need for using a optical audio cable? I am leaning towards yes, but wanted to make sure I interpreted the information correctly.
well HDMI combines DIGITAL video (like that of the digital portion of DVI) with digital audio. So yes it does eliminate the need for an optical audio cable. Bit it's a totally different signal type from component video.
The problem with the audio cable is that it plugs into your display. and I can't think of any displays (certainly only any with good sound) that offer built in surround sound. In most cases you'll want to use a stand alone surround sound system, at that point having the audio and video in one cable is rather pointless considering you'll need to use another cable anyway (to go from the display back to the surround sound decoder).
Post by: cosism on April 12, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on April 17, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(cosism @ Apr 12 2006, 06:58 PM)
Awesome, that makes a world of sense now. The HD(component) pack is analog, the HDMI is digital. That is where my confusion was. I understood that both the optical and HDMI audio were digital. I appreciate the clarification. I have a 5.1 setup made by Yahmaha, which I like. I am interested in the 55" Sony 3LCD display. Would you say that, the display in question and the surround sound setup would be good together when using HDMI? Or is there another set you recommend? I realize from your posts, the SXRD which utilizes 1080p and may be considered the wave of the future, but do you think the spend is justifiable for the SXRD right NOW, or should I hold out for when the display market is a little more saturated with this technology? Thanks again for your thorough replies.
I have no idea how well those devices handle an HDMI connection or if they're even capable of. As for the 3LCD, I've seen it in stores and it looks nice but in all honesty I absolutly LOATHE rear projection based sets. They combine all the negative parts of front projection (bulb life, frequent calibration, dark picture, bad black levels) with all the negative parts of direct display (small(er) picture, big case, bad viewing angle). I'll admit the 3LCD looks nicer then most RPTVs but I try to avoid that tech on a whole.
There's also a ton of new techs coming out this next year. the next 5 or so years you'll see HUGE leaps and bounds in the tech and prices just dropping left and right. If you get something now, get something cheap that you wont mind replacing in a few years... because trust me you'll want to.
QUOTE(bacardi/avt @ Apr 17 2006, 11:58 AM)
Very good information, but I still wonder about HDMI?
Will the xbox360 send a signal with or without HDCP over HDMI? This is a question that I can't find any answer to.
My reason for asking is that a lot of older plasma screens and projectors can't handle HDCP.
My second question is : If there is HDCP protection will it be on all the trnsfer over HDMI or only when watching Video?
We don't know, MS hasn't released any hard info on if the 360 is capable of HDMI or HDCP so it's anybody's guess. As for if HDCP is active all the time or just some of the time, it completely depends on the device, some do some don't.
Post by: vanxman on September 08, 2006, 01:11:00 AM
My TV only has DVI-i and VGA (via a VGA-DVI adapter) input , but NO component or HDMI.
My question: how do I get the XBOX component cable to work with the DVI-i input? Any cables or switches needed???
I need to do this so that I can get the 1080i (which the TV is capable of) option on the 360 set-up screen. The 360 works with the optional VGA cable, but using that the 360 won't (1) give me the HDTV (480p, 1080i) resolutions and (2) won't let me go above the 878x480 resolution.
Post by: _iffy on December 16, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
I barley knew any of that.
Post by: Vidness on January 08, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
DVDs & full resolution. If you have DVD 'backups', they generally won't play at 720p or 1080i unless you
a) Have a 'enhanced' Xbox 1 with XBMC
Have a DVD player that uses HDMI (LG comes to mind)I picked up a ps3 and HD DVD player for the 360. Neither would play a backup DVD higher than 480p, yet they would do their kind up to 1080p. The PS3 not playing it at full res kinda ticked me off, since it's connected via HDMI.
Post by: Eksyte on February 19, 2007, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 27, 2007, 06:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Vidness @ Jan 8 2007, 02:04 PM)
Something I don't see mentioned which might need to be:
DVDs & full resolution. If you have DVD 'backups', they generally won't play at 720p or 1080i unless you
a) Have a 'enhanced' Xbox 1 with XBMC
B) Have a DVD player that uses HDMI (LG comes to mind)
I picked up a ps3 and HD DVD player for the 360. Neither would play a backup DVD higher than 480p, yet they would do their kind up to 1080p. The PS3 not playing it at full res kinda ticked me off, since it's connected via HDMI.
The connection you use has nothing to do with whether or not the DVD outputs at 480p or 720p/1080i.
All DVDs are encoded in SDTV or EDTV resolutions... that is to say the highest resolution a DVD has is 480p. The Player needs to "upscale" the content if you want it in high resolution. which is basically just taking the 480p image and stretching it out to fit 720p or 1080i.
Most Upscaling DVD players arbitrarily require an HDMI output per MPAA regulations. it's not technically required but politically they require it because it's a secure connection that theoretically helps prevent piracy (since you can't tap the data line and extract the movie through the HDMI connection). Also I think it's to help condition people into thinking HDMI is required for HD signals since HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will require it down the road once they institute the Image Constraint Token.
Since XBMC pisses in the face of the MPAA regulations it upscales with no regard to political requirements. Similarly certain brands of upscaling DVD players (most famously the OPPO players) will also upscale via component video connections.
The Playstation 3 doesn't upscale because it doesn't have any scaler hardware inside to perform the operation. though like XBMC it could easily do it through software instead... it's just a matter of Sony actually adding in that feature. Unlike XBMC the PS3 would likely only output DVDs in HD via the HDMI port as they conform to MPAA regulations.
QUOTE(Eksyte @ Feb 19 2007, 02:35 PM)
So you can't use an X360 VGA cable with a DVI-D port?
Nope... it wont work... at all.
If the Rumored Zeyphyr or Elite versions of the Xbox 360 (the one with the HDMI port) ever arrive you could adapt HDMI to DVI-D as they're essentially the same signal.
QUOTE(pessaddict @ Mar 1 2007, 09:09 PM)
NOOB ALERT
i have this hdtv and currently have it connected to my 360 via the cable that came with my 360, component i think. the 360 is set to 720 just wanted to know if i should stick the component or change to the hd vga cable
http://www.mirai.eu/...&...6&cat_id=43
Unless you've got an HDTV with a native resolution of 1920x1080 then you should stick with Component.
Where your TV has a native resolution of 1366x768 there is no VGA resolution available that matches that exactly.
Particularly where the closest VGA resolution that the Xbox 360 can output is 1360x768... your TV will stretch it out over those extra 6 pixels and I've heard the results are horrid when that happens.
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