Post by: BenzineX on January 21, 2003, 08:21:00 AM
- The Windows 95 logo (created with FreeHand)
- IBM's Aptiva point-of-purchase materials and the boxes they come in
- Intel's "Flying Pentium" ads
- The graphics for Micro$oft Network (MSN)
- The newspaper and magazine ads for IBM,Gateway,Dell and Micro$oft
- Outdoor advertising for Micro$oft magazine
- Windows packaging
- PC magazine, PC World magazine, Windows Sources magazine, Computer Shoper magazine
- The weekly internal Micro$oft newsletter Micronews
- Many IBM and Micro$oft TV ads (edited with Mac-based Avid systems)
(from "Macworld Mac Secrets 6th Edition")
Post by: Cr0w on January 21, 2003, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: KazuyaWaruasobi on January 21, 2003, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: BenzineX on January 21, 2003, 11:10:00 AM
well ok I was trying to mess with you guys a bit, I know I'm probebly the only mac user on this forum so gotta make my stand ...you have to admit it's a bit wierd that micro$oft's own internal newsleter is made on a mac though.
I'v never realy understood the whole hate thing against differnt OSs/Hardware, as far as I'm concerd it's a mater of taste and what you need your computer for.
Well as soon as I get a larger HD for my xbox I'm gonna run linux on a partion so BTW so then I guess I woun't feal so left out then
Post by: Fuzzy on January 21, 2003, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: gainpresence on January 21, 2003, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on January 21, 2003, 03:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (akarnid @ Jan 21 2003, 10:36 PM) |
| Who doesn't like Coboy Bebop? |
everyone in my entire school
*cough* douchebags *cough*
Post by: Cr0w on January 21, 2003, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Cr0w on January 21, 2003, 03:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Jan 21 2003, 11:48 PM) |
| everyone in my entire school *cough* douchebags *cough* |
Whoa, that's such BS! I guess they just don't know art when they see it. Heh, they also probably thought that Akira was "weird", assuming they've even seen it. Sucks for 'em.
Post by: BenzineX on January 21, 2003, 04:03:00 PM
actualy there were mac clones for a while but it did a lot of damage to apple financialy so they canceld all thier licencing and I guess they've been scared of it ever since...
as for them being a bit steep in price I'll admit to that but IMHO you get what you pay for. And macs have at many times been known to outperform PCs.
The point of geting a mac is (amongst other) a little what I was trying to point out with this thread, that the computer graphics/layout bussines is dominated by mac (as well as to a lesser extent the music bussines).
And for all you mac-haters you HAVE to try Mac OSX (10.2) it has NEVER crashed on me and the only comercial program that's crashed more then once or twice is Internet Explorer (go figure)...also it FreeBSD based wich should intrege some of you (Unix commands in the terminal
)Post by: Cr0w on January 21, 2003, 04:27:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| as for them being a bit steep in price I'll admit to that but IMHO you get what you pay for. |
Sorry, but the only advantage that Apple has over PC is style, but now there are so many case mods for PCs that it doesn't count anymore. Translucent plastic! Woohoo!
| QUOTE |
| And macs have at many times been known to outperform PCs. |
Yeah, "at many times" in the past.
| QUOTE |
| The point of geting a mac is (amongst other) a little what I was trying to point out with this thread, that the computer graphics/layout bussines is dominated by mac... |
Mm-hmm... it sure used to be that way, but many graphic design companies are switching to PC, because the price/performance ratio is much better for PC. And the only reason some companies aren't is because they're too used to using Mac, so they figure "Eh, why learn something new? I'll just pay a bunch more and use what I'm familiar with..." Besides, the number one use for Macs in the music industry is as a front-end to Protools.
</rant>
Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled posting...
Post by: dkoikadabra on January 21, 2003, 04:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenzineX @ Jan 21 2003, 07:03 PM) |
| that the computer graphics/layout bussines is dominated by mac (as well as to a lesser extent the music bussines). |
Not anymore, compadre. Computers with an AthlonXP processor in 'em have been known to outperform a Mac when it comes to graphical and audio manipulation and creation. Plus, they're cheaper.
Oh, yeah, I'd like to know why they charge money for an OS based on (admittingly, modified) FreeBSD. Doesn't it say in the licence for FreeBSD that all dirivatives must be freely distributed?
Post by: Cr0w on January 21, 2003, 04:33:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Oh, yeah, I'd like to know why they charge money for an OS based on (admittingly, modified) FreeBSD. Doesn't it say in the licence for FreeBSD that all dirivatives must be freely distributed? |
Apple does have the source code for the underlying FreeBSD software (Darwin) available for download on their website, but all the "pretty stuff" (read: proprietary software) is what you pay for when you buy MacOS.
Post by: gainpresence on January 21, 2003, 04:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenzineX @ Jan 21 2003, 05:03 PM) |
| And for all you mac-haters you HAVE to try Mac OSX (10.2) it has NEVER crashed on me and the only comercial program that's crashed more then once or twice is Internet Explorer (go figure)...also it FreeBSD based wich should intrege some of you (Unix commands in the terminal ) |
Windows XP hasn't crashed for me since I got it (over a year ago).
And I'm contantly encoding MPEG2s and burning DVDs and such.
Post by: Fuzzy on January 21, 2003, 08:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 21 2003, 11:43 PM) | ||
Windows XP hasn't crashed for me since I got it (over a year ago). And I'm contantly encoding MPEG2s and burning DVDs and such. |
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Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 21, 2003, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on January 22, 2003, 02:56:00 AM
Post by: dkoikadabra on January 22, 2003, 10:11:00 AM
XP's solid as a rock, unlike what most of the OS's MS has released are. So don't bash it just because you can't find the Windows XP Pro ISO on KaZaa.... =-P
Post by: feflicker on January 22, 2003, 10:22:00 AM
Most of us would agree that their is certain software that runs better on Apple, but the *reason* is not superior architecture. It is just a matter of development of the application for that particular environment.
Post by: BenzineX on January 22, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: Cr0w on January 22, 2003, 06:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ace25 @ Jan 22 2003, 09:15 PM) |
| ...but seriously, what is the percentage worldwide of mac users compared to PC? Prolly no more than 20% Mac, and I am being generous with that number.. |
Quite generous, actually. If my memory serves me correctly, it's more like 5%.
Post by: brass monkey2 on January 22, 2003, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on January 23, 2003, 11:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (brass monkey2 @ Jan 23 2003, 03:22 AM) |
| i have never shut off my computer with xp for at least a year with 3 poweroutages for maybe up to 15 hours of downtime. it frezzes alot but never enough to make me shut it down. my old computer was on for 5 years and i turned it off to replace it and when i moved it and i started it up it would not boot. |
Post by: jetset on January 25, 2003, 10:09:00 AM
PC - WinXP and Mac - Jaguar OSX
and I am in the Graphics industry
I would just like to point out that the Mac is Significantly FASTER, and more STABLE with graphics applications (talking mainly about Adobe, Quark and Macromedia) than the PC. The OS is also more stable and capable on the Mac, enabling more apps to run simultaneously (whilst independantly), and smoothly than on the PC.
Whoever said that PCs are becoming more commonplace in the graphics environment is totally wrong... the only even graphics related place that I know of that has more than a couple of PCs running graphics software is Kinkos... and just go to any Kinkos and look at the amount of people that choose the PCs to use over the Mac.... not very many...
For comparison purposes both have around the same specs
P4 vs G4
2.4Ghz vs Twin 1Ghz
768 RAM 768 RAM
Nvidia GeForce 4 both
PCs are great tho... if you want to program, play a wide range of games or watch (but not edit) movies...
Post by: jetset on January 25, 2003, 10:15:00 AM
I cannot ever remember receiving a trojan or virus on a mac that had any effect (PC only for pretty much every major virus - if not all...)
And price and style - You DO pay extra for a mac because of its shell... but the difference is only marginal, also the casing is not just eye-candy.... the G4 tower is the most easy access case I've ever seen, and the new iMac screen is unbelievable in adjustablity.
Also, try finding a PC with DVD burning capabilities and high end sys specs for the same price as a mac, and then if you find one... compare the quality...
now you know what you're paying for...
Post by: Andy on January 31, 2003, 05:12:00 AM
Post by: gamezall on January 31, 2003, 05:32:00 AM