Post by: ndsbass on June 27, 2006, 11:08:00 PM
my price range: approx 15,000 and down
type of car: either some old american muscle or (prefered) a sport compact (i.e. import) (ya i know that makes no sense, just think of it as opening up the possibilities)
hp: something decent, but not overkill. upper 100s to lower/mid 200s
drivetrain: preferably stick but auto works, RWD is prefered
etc: lots of performance upgrades available
so heres what ive been looking at so far
1. a couple 02-03 mustang gt's (even though i try to stay away, they
pros
-big old 4.8L V8
-RWD, manual
-classic american muscle in a more modern package (that sounded pretty gay)
-cool rear and side styling
-lots of performance parts available
-sweet bullit? rims on both models ive been looking at
cons
-dislike the way the front bumper looks
-parents against v8s (which is stupid since some v6s put out just as much if not more power)
-EVERYONE in my city and at my school has one
neutral
-a little more than i would like to spend but its pretty much in my range
2. Toyota Celica 2000+
pros
-i like the way it looks, especially with a body kit
who here doesnt kind of sort of like that?
-a decent amout of performance parts available
-very cheap
-hatchback trunk
cons
-1.8L inline 4
-seems kinda slow
-FWD
this is all i got right now, if anyone has any suggestions/comments/complaints, please post them
p.s.-please dont try to convince me to get an earlier generation supra, i cant stand the way they look *no offense ubernoob, your supra was still sweet*
Post by: lostboyz on June 28, 2006, 05:32:00 AM
look into a mazda3i or dodge srt-4 both have inline 4's and srt-4 is turbocharged and pretty nice.
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 28, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Here are some suggestions:
89-98 Nissan 240sx
+Dirt Cheap
+Rear Wheel Drive
+Loads of aftermarket parts & Japanese parts to swap with everything from bolt ons to complete body and engine swaps available
+pretty unique (I rarely see them around)
-Hard to find (particularly in a stick about 80% of the autos)
-some models arn't the quickest/best looking when stock
STOCK:
With the Japanese S15 Front end conversion
85-96 Nissan 300Zx
+Turbo Motors are fast
+Rear Wheel Drive
+If you look around you can find them for < $10K
+Some models have All Wheel Steering which is friggin cool
+next to the supra it's the epitome of import-tuner muscle
+Lots of aftermarket stuff available
-kind of heavy
-non turbo versions arn't the fastest (though still much quicker then your average sedan)
84-89 Mitsubishi Starion (AKA Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth Conquest)
+Rear Wheel Drive
+VERY rare
+Dirt Cheap (if you can find them) (the last one I saw for sake was only $1K
)+Pretty Damn fast Turbo Motor
+Damn cool looking (kind of like a more boxy version of a Porsche 944)
-hard to find
-pretty old at this point
-not to many aftermarket parts due to it's age and rarity, though there are some you can import from Japan
94-99 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 (AKA Dodge Stealth R/T)
+Damn Cool Looking
+All Wheel Drive
+Fast
+Decent aftermarket parts available
+Women love this car (I don't know what it is but ever chick I know swoons over them)
-usually a little pricey considering it's age (though still well within your range)
-depending on your area hard to find the VR4 / RT models
90-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (AKA Eagle Talon Tsi)
+All Wheel Drive
+Awesome 2.0L Turbo Motor
+LOADS and LOADS of aftermarket parts
+Dirt Cheap
-Lots of people have the crappy GS version (non-turbo/FWD)
84-95 Mazda RX-7
+Rear Wheel Drive
+Damn Fast
+Damn Cool looking
+Lots of aftermarket parts available
-Engines have a short life span if you plan on tuning them/beating on them
90-06 Mazda Miata MX-5
+Rear Wheel Drive
+Depending on age well below or a little above your price range
+LOADS of aftermarket parts available
+Pretty quick
-kind of feminine looking IMO
-2 seater ragtop (could be bad or good depending on your tastes)
98-06 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS/WRX
+even the low end/older models handle well (you can pickup a 02/03 WRX in your price range)
+lots of aftermarket parts available. If you get cash down the road you could even do an STi engine swap.
+All Wheel Drive
+/-02/03 models are kind of stupid looking IMO but 98-01 and 04-06 look pretty damned cool.
-only the older non-turbo (read: slow) models are available in a 2 door, all the newer ones are 4 door only
00-06 Honda S2000
+Rear Wheel Drive
+Civic Drivers will kiss your feet wherever you go
+Damn Fast
+Bad-ass looking
+Loads of Aftermarket parts available
-probably a little above your price range
-2 seater ragtop (could be bad or good depending on your tastes)
91-05 Toyota MR2
+MR2 stands for Mid engine Rear drive 2 seater, what's not to love
+AWESOME handling
+Loads of aftermarket parts
-kind of on the small side
You could also consider European... Porsche 944, BMW 3 series etc. All awesome RWD muscle cars.
Post by: thewickedjester on June 28, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
Have you looked into a Camaro? If your price range is 15 grand and down, you'll be able to pick up a nice late model Camaro SS, which I have to say are sick. Or you can get like a z28 and have a good bit of cash left over to put into it.
Of course, I love my car, a 96 Impala SS. Sure, its big, its a BIG ASS CAR. But I can carry 5 adults comfortably (and plenty of room in the trunk for the bodies...), decent horsepower (and a engine thats EASY to find parts for, 350 LT1) and good handling (keeping in mind its size of coruse), and you can find one anywhere from 7-12 grand depending on the condition its in. The even cheaper method is to grab a decomisioned 9C1 Caprice (old cop car), get a repaint and a few extra parts on it and you have a slick SS on your hands.
I doubt thats what you are looking for though... I'm betting you want something small and fast no?
Post by: lostboyz on June 28, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: xboxhackern00b on June 28, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: Silentscream__ on June 28, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
the biggest engine that you can realistically get insured on here at 17 (driving age here) is like a 1.6 or MAYBE a 1.8.
You mentioned getting a celica, my friend got a celica and hes 22 now, only after he turned 21 coul he get insured, even then hes cheating and its his dads policy with him as a listed driver.
Post by: lostboyz on June 28, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: thewickedjester on June 28, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 28 2006, 03:03 PM) 
yea its A LOT easier to get insured here, and cheaper (generally)
Yeah, insurance sucks about every little thing of your car though, if its a red colored car the policy costs more, same if its a 2 door, RWD, any designation as a 'sports car' all kinds of stuff like that. But all in all, its not that bad, not nearly as bad as I'll be it is in the UK...?
Post by: Rylinkus on June 28, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
I'd be leary of the Mitsubishi 3000GT and Eclipse as they tend to have frsagile drivetrains, engines, electrical, etc. Add to that the 3000GT is probably the hardest on that list to insure for some strange reason.
The Starion/Conquest is a DAMN cool and rare car, but I'd love to know where you can find one for 1k.
I'd definately check out prices. And test drive cars if you can. Friends'. Ones for sale. Whatever. Make sure you like driving whatever you buy as 10k is a lot to spend on something to regret it a week later when you get to drive something else. I like the 240 and Miata. Fun cars to drive. Even a newer Civic SI would be decent. Or a maybe a Mazda 6? Mazda3/Ford Focus? (They have mazda speed versions and a 6 speed SVT Focus) Ford Lightning? Im sure we could list cars all day long. It really depends on your tastes in looks and driving. (As a daily driver my camaro would BLOW. Occasionally tho it's fun as hell. So if I were driving it every day I wouldnt have bought it. )
Chevy Sprint Turbo??
Post by: ndsbass on June 28, 2006, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE
dont knock the i-4 engines they are pretty impressive
i suppose your right, i cant really say anything about them considering i haven't ever driven one
my band had a show today and one of my friends in another band pulled up in his 02 celica. i really like the way it looks, just wish it wasnt fwd
i suppose i will have to do somemore research before i make a decision, especially with all the new options twisted has opened up. thanks alot for all the help
Post by: thewickedjester on June 28, 2006, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE
(I have a 69 camaro ss/rs with a Gm Performance 572 big block... It gets the job done.
I HAVE to see pictures how you stuffed a 572 into a Camaro... I just cant beleive it... I'm not saying your lying or anything, I'm just wodnering how you managed that.
Post by: thewickedjester on June 29, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on June 29, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(garver @ Jun 29 2006, 02:42 AM)
Im going to have to agree with jester. Ive seen some 2000 camaro ss and z28s in black for under or at your price range. These cars are fast and handle very well. I would get one of these any day for that price. But you could buy a older car and fix it up. (I have a 69 camaro ss/rs with a Gm Performance 572 big block... It gets the job done.
)
I didnt want to come off as a Camaro fan boy, but yes, they can be quite amusing.
Post by: xboxhackern00b on June 29, 2006, 08:13:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on June 30, 2006, 06:44:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Jun 30 2006, 03:20 AM)
let's see some bigger pics! and of the exterior
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Or a new thread could be started
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 30, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: thewickedjester on June 30, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
QUOTE
First and foremost, the guy is probably 18 years or younger so insurance on the majority of muscle cars would be damn expensive (to say nothing of the rising gas prices).
(^ Shortened in the interest of space)
Just cause I own one, I'm gonna push it even harder. A Impala (or even a decomissioned cop car [the 9c1 Caprice]) has great horsepower (its got a Vette motor in it) and all the issues with the cars are usually fixed by their first owners (issues with the OptiSpark coil distributors, water pumps, etc etc) and you are left with a 4 door car (insurance loves 4 doors) with good horsepower and rather stylish in my opinion (I've heard quite a number of mixed impressions). As far as gas goes, a stock Impala is rated for 17/25 MPG city/highway (respectively), even if you were to lowball that to about 15/20 or so thats still pretty impressive for a large car with a semi-fast engine in it.
Oh, and with the exception of some asthetic parts and certain things on the engine (mainly with the OptiSpark distributor) and the suspension the Caprice and Impala share many parts, so they are still relatively easy to get ahold of.
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 01, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
I can completely respect that and I know where he's coming from. I personally can't stand FWD cars and I've never owned one... I'd own some junker pickup before buying a FWD car.
AWD is often a nice alternative to those adverse to FWD since they're much easier to find in new models and quite capable in poor weather driving conditions.
Hence the list I compiled was sporty RWD/AWD cars in his price range.
Post by: Rylinkus on July 01, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: lostboyz on July 01, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 1 2006, 08:44 AM)
A mid 90s Stang GT rolls in @ a bit over 200 hp. And I think I prefer the looks of those to all but the 60s Stangs.
obviously you have not seen the new roush, saleen, or GT500 of this years model, I get a boner just hearing them
Post by: Rylinkus on July 01, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jul 1 2006, 08:07 PM)
obviously you have not seen the new roush, saleen, or GT500 of this years model, I get a boner just hearing them
I dont like em.
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 01, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(garver @ Jul 1 2006, 02:47 AM)
You can get a late model camaro with a v6 and still be close to the powerrange once i get my camaro all shiny again ill make a new thread for ya=]
Sorry to say this man, but V6 Camaros are a waste of money. The gas mileage difference between them and the Z28 (provided you get the 6 speed manual) is virtually nonexistant. However, there is a HUGE difference in the power and performance between the two. Both are pretty comparable for maintenence as well. Once again IMHO if you are looking at a V6 Camaro, you might as well buy another car as there are better options for the money. @twisted symphony I did notice that he was looking for RWD. However he seemed more than content to go with the Toyota Celica. Given his price range, HP ratings, ect. it just goes to show that the guy doesn't really have a clue to what he wants. I'm simply trying to steer him into something that would be more practical for a first car. Once again alot of cars here are excellent cars but they are NOT daily drivers, nor would they be good choices for someone looking to buy their first car. Once again, the vehicles that are the most practical for a first vehicle AND meet most of his criteria are the Nissan 240sx and the Toyota Celica. So I completely agree with your choice of the 240sx.
Post by: Rylinkus on July 01, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jul 1 2006, 09:52 PM)
Sorry to say this man, but V6 Camaros are a waste of money. The gas mileage difference between them and the Z28 (provided you get the 6 speed manual) is virtually nonexistant.
The 6th gear isnt useful in any manner until you're well into highway speeds. So unless all his driving is on the highway @ 65+ then the V6 WILL get better gas mileage. And since you were the one getting on people's cases about too powerful cars a minute ago, how can you not like a V6 Camaro??
The 3.8L V6 is rated @ 200 HP and 225 ft/lbs. So THAT meets his specs.
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 01, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on July 01, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jul 1 2006, 11:18 PM)
True, but the point is that neither of them are really practical as a first car/daily driver. I was merely pointing out that if you were going to get a Camaro, you might as well go ahead and get the Z28 (hell, he's certainly got the budget for it). The 240sx also meets his specs but will be easier on maintenence provided he gets one that is well taken care of. I just checked fuel economy.gov and the difference between a manual tranny V-6 and a manual tranny Z28 (at least on the '95) is a whopping 2MPG. 19 in the city and 28 on the highway for the V-6 and 17MPG city/26MPG on the highway for the manual Z28. So yeah, the V-6 does get better gas mileage but not significantly so. Once again, I just don't think that anything that gets less than 20MPG around town is really practical as a daily driver/first car.
Ive yet to see a Z28 in my year range come near either of those numbers. Even the bone stock M6s get 13-14 around town. Mine gets 8. If a 240SX is a good choice then so is a V6 Camaro. Name one catergory that the 240 reigns supreme outside of F&F fanboy cred. I dont think either is a bad DD. My point is merely thatif a 240SX is on the list than a V6 Camaro should be. WITH T Tops. Anyone who buys a camaro without T Tops is an uncultured wretch
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 01, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
QUOTE(garver @ Jul 2 2006, 12:25 AM)
I was thinking instead he could get a new v6 truck
here in oklahoma they are selling 06 chevys with a stick and v6 for around 11,000-13,000
new car with warrentry and cheap insurance. They are nice cars as well.
(excuse my spelling I had to work the graveyard shift so im very tired)
I don't think that a truck would quite fill his needs/wants. Not to mention, I don't know if I would buy a Chevy that has been made within the last year or so (due to GM pissing off it's workers).
Post by: Rylinkus on July 01, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jul 2 2006, 12:29 AM)
No arguments on the T-Tops, I might have to get one just to spite you though.
As for the 240sx, I was simply thinking of overall reliability, gas mileage, insurance, ect. I think it will fair a bit better than the V6 Camaro in each of those categories.I don't think that a truck would quite fill his needs/wants. Not to mention, I don't know if I would buy a Chevy that has been made within the last year or so (due to GM pissing off it's workers).
I dont have a lot to base reliability on. I do know several people with 240s and they dont come off as overly reliable. Nor did my Nissan. I dont know about the v6, but my V8 Maro has been as reliable as anything Ive owned yet. And Id be willing to bet that it costs more to insure a 240 then a v6 Camaro. I'll bet its a much more commonly stolen car and that the accident rate is higher because theres a higher percentage of younger kids driving them instead of V6 Camaros. I may be wrong though.
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 01, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(garver @ Jul 2 2006, 01:57 AM)
The Gm plant an hour away from my house just laid off 1500 workers i think and they are now planning to close. (All they make are the ugly small SUVs)
But my friend just got a truck like the one I sais and its nice and is high quality. Just trying to offer something else to help him get ideas.=]
Not saying it was a bad idea. I was just pointing out why no one else had mentioned it yet. Kinda hard to go from a sporty car to a truck. Although an econo car is probably the most practical thing for him to get at this point.
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 2 2006, 01:02 AM)
I dont have a lot to base reliability on. I do know several people with 240s and they dont come off as overly reliable. Nor did my Nissan. I dont know about the v6, but my V8 Maro has been as reliable as anything Ive owned yet. And Id be willing to bet that it costs more to insure a 240 then a v6 Camaro. I'll bet its a much more commonly stolen car and that the accident rate is higher because theres a higher percentage of younger kids driving them instead of V6 Camaros. I may be wrong though.
No arguments on the V8 in those things. Provided they are well maintained they are very dependable cars. One of my mechanics has owned a '96 Z-28 since it was new and he said it was one of the most dependable cars he has owned. I thought I remembered reading something about reliability issues with certain GM 6 cylinder engines, but like you, I could be mistaken.
Post by: Rylinkus on July 02, 2006, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jul 2 2006, 02:35 AM)
Not saying it was a bad idea. I was just pointing out why no one else had mentioned it yet. Kinda hard to go from a sporty car to a truck. Although an econo car is probably the most practical thing for him to get at this point.
No arguments on the V8 in those things. Provided they are well maintained they are very dependable cars. One of my mechanics has owned a '96 Z-28 since it was new and he said it was one of the most dependable cars he has owned. I thought I remembered reading something about reliability issues with certain GM 6 cylinder engines, but like you, I could be mistaken.
I know the GM 3.8l is supposed to be a stout little engine. As a matter of fact THE mod that all the Nissan pickup guys do is swap their 3.0 V6 for that 3.8L and matching tranny. There was a hell of a writeup on it on Nissanminis.com before the site went down. Lost hosting or whatever.
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 05, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 1 2006, 07:07 PM)
... Name one catergory that the 240 reigns supreme outside of F&F fanboy cred. ...
Cornering? When I was doing autocross in college there was a guy with a Camero and most weeks he had to sit out simply because his car was too big or had too wide a turning radius to fit through the course
They're quick and even if they can hold some lateral Gs they're still drive pretty heavy and lumbering in comparison to something like a 240sx
I've sworn off GM cars a long while ago... I did my senior project with them in college got to meet a whole lot of the engineers, see the manufacturing process etc... it only diminished my already poor opinion.
My father owned 2 Camaros, both of them had had bought brand new and both of them were sold within 6 months because of problems from the manufacturer that were "normal" according to the dealer. Not to mention fit and finish (particularly on the interior) has always really bothered me with GM products pieces don't seem to fit together properly gaps in body pannels and plastic parts are uneven and inconsistant. Not to mention they make all their buttons so big and round it's almost an insult to the dexterity of a videogame player.
They do a lot of things right mechanically but their final products just never gave me the feeling that they were put together properly.
Post by: lostboyz on July 05, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on July 05, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 5 2006, 04:10 PM)
Cornering? When I was doing autocross in college there was a guy with a Camero and most weeks he had to sit out simply because his car was too big or had too wide a turning radius to fit through the course
They're quick and even if they can hold some lateral Gs they're still drive pretty heavy and lumbering in comparison to something like a 240sx
I've sworn off GM cars a long while ago... I did my senior project with them in college got to meet a whole lot of the engineers, see the manufacturing process etc... it only diminished my already poor opinion.
My father owned 2 Camaros, both of them had had bought brand new and both of them were sold within 6 months because of problems from the manufacturer that were "normal" according to the dealer. Not to mention fit and finish (particularly on the interior) has always really bothered me with GM products pieces don't seem to fit together properly gaps in body pannels and plastic parts are uneven and inconsistant. Not to mention they make all their buttons so big and round it's almost an insult to the dexterity of a videogame player.
They do a lot of things right mechanically but their final products just never gave me the feeling that they were put together properly.
And my high strung Camaro has done ok on an autocross course, so I assumed a more stock engined one would do better.
My Trucks interior leaves quite a bit too be desired in that regard as well though.
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 05, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 5 2006, 05:40 PM)
And my high strung Camaro has done ok on an autocross course, so I assumed a more stock engined one would do better. ...
I'm sure, but my comment has little to do with the engine and everything to do with how easily the car fits through small openings and quickly changes directions.
Hell my WRX felt like a friggin yacht when compared to my buddies Integra and the Camaro feels like a fully loaded Cadillac when compared to the WRX.
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 5 2006, 05:40 PM)
...
My Trucks interior leaves quite a bit too be desired in that regard as well though.
I can't speak for Nissans as I've never owned one but the interior of my '94 pickup, while quite dated and fugly still feels solid and put together. That is to say all the door, IP, and dash panels fit together tight with no visible gaps. My father's black Firebird Trans-Am had interior door panels fall off within 3 months, His Z06 Corvette had the trim around the stock stereo just randomly pop off as did the passenger's sun visor. He had to shove a rag in a gap between 2 panels in the center console of his brand new Camaro SS when he got it because it squeaked constantly. None of the panels on any of them ever seemed to fit together right. You'd see the style line the original designer was trying to create, flowing from the doors into the dash but it was always out of line like the door was an inch lower then they had anticipated and it wasn't even consistent between the driver and passenger side.
Don't get me wrong none of those things really have any functional pitfalls but it just makes the cars feel cheap IMO. My brother is a huge Audi fan and I must say VWs and Audis are shining examples of how interiors should fit together and feel solid. I'm not saying they're of higher quality simply that they FEEL a higher quality, no gaps in sight, every button and switch has a distinct and deliberate feedback to it and it feels like the whole thing was made from a single piece and cut with a laser the panel breaks are so small and consistent. Again I think they're total Junk for ACTUAL quality but PERCEPTION goes a long way. Even if I have indisputable proof the the GM cars are higher in quality/reliability I feel like I'm lying to myself whenever I get in one and drive it.
Post by: ndsbass on July 06, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE
That being said, where on earth are you coming up with a 15K budget. Are your parents really rich or are you just taking out a massive loan.
well so far ive saved a little over 5000
although my family is pretty well off, my dad doesnt believe in buying a car for me, so the rest will be off a loan. I just got a job about 2 weeks ago, and it pays 6.55 and im working 25-30 hours a week. after about four months ill get bumped up and recieve anywhere from 8-10 an hour. i also have a side job where i go about 3-4 times a month to work at my friends rich as shit aunts house for about 5-8 hours and make 10/hour. my dad is the one who will be giving me the loan, and he said he wont charge my interest and occasionally he may pay some of it off if hes feeling nice.
i would actually prefer to spend more like 11-12k, but my dad's been pushing me to spend more like 18k. i decided to level it off at about 15k to leave some options open
so far heres my list of things i would like
- rwd or awd if possible
- prefereably high 100's or over 200 horses
- looks good
- lots of performance parts available
- manual (some cars are only auto)
*new*
- my dad is really worried about safety now, which is kinda ironic considering his chevelle ss, but the car should be a 2000 (year) or higher
im still interested in the celica since its perfect for my price range, but i wish it wasnt fwd
my dad is interested in the 06 eclipse (looks pretty nice, much better than the previous gen.) or a lancer ralliart. although the lancer ralliart wouldnt be too bad they are still both fwd which sucks but w/e
although i love the older z28 muscle cars, im not as fond of the newer ones, although its definately an option.
anyways thanks again for all the help
Post by: 555ETHEN on July 06, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
I'v been looking at the Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
Thats a 1995-1999 Model and it is looking pretty good for my first car.
Post by: thewickedjester on July 06, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
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my dad is the one who will be giving me the loan, and he said he wont charge my interest and occasionally he may pay some of it off if hes feeling nice.
Post by: 555ETHEN on July 07, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: thewickedjester on July 07, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
QUOTE(555ETHEN @ Jul 7 2006, 05:02 PM)
I might get a bike too, cheaper, cheaper insurance and personally better and easier for me to drive.
1) Yes, they are cheaper, and they are a LOT of fun
2) Cheaper insurance? I doubt it... Not unless you are talking a Honda CUB (hehe)
3) Bikes are a lot of fun, why I am trying to get one myself, but what happens when it rains? Or when theres ice on the road? Or when you have a long commute? Or when your back hurts and you dont want to sit in that position? To hot to ride, etc etc. There are a lot of downsides, get a bike after a car. My plan is to drive the bike mostly for daily commuting (to work, college, etc etc) and drive the car pretty much everywhere else, you would be supprised at how much gas goes into those few miles every day.
Post by: Tripme on July 07, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 08, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
QUOTE(555ETHEN @ Jul 6 2006, 09:08 PM)
Im looking into those same specs as you are, except the 2000+, Im looking for more like 1995+, but still.
I'v been looking at the Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
Thats a 1995-1999 Model and it is looking pretty good for my first car.
Mitsubishis are nice looking cars to be sure and they can be made very easily into fast beasts. HOWEVER, the parts for them are expensive and they are VERY HIGH MAINTENENCE vehicles. Honestly, I wouldn't trust ANY mitsubishi beyond 100,000K miles. They are subject to crankwalk, severe issues with the timing belt, poor seals (which often lead to burning oil at a very early stage in the cars life) not to mention interiors that fall apart quickly. Mitsubishis sucker people in with an a nice looking car and great performance at a low price, but they are very much a "buy now, pay later" type of vehicle as you will more than pay for the vehicle with maintenence.
Post by: ndsbass on July 25, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
exhaust
thanks for all the help everyone