Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 20, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
you take 2 fast food trays with a front wheel drive car park the back wheels on the trays and pull the emergency brake then start driving in an empty parking lot of something, seems pretty fun for the 30 seconds that it lasts im about to try it tomorrow
http://videos.street...E8A1A8722F3.htm
Post by: lostboyz on April 21, 2006, 05:07:00 AM
Post by: mbood82 on April 21, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Apr 21 2006, 07:14 AM) 
i think its for front wheel drive cars but im sure its not great for the car, but hey whatever
Done it, very enjoyable. Finding trays that last for any length of time is a little harder though, ours wore out after like 10 feet.
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 22, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
Post by: ubernewb on April 22, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
1. "aquire" two fast food trays ... (i prefer taco bell, cuz then i can mow on some delicious amer-exican grub)
2. find two cookie sheets that are roughly the same size
3. using a bit of jb weld (had some sitting around) glue a tray into each cookie sheet..
total cost.. maybe $6 (cookie sheets from goodwill) and we slid on those things for a good hour.
if you can find an asphalt parking lot, they will last longer. the rough surface of a normally paved lot eats them up faster.
but then i got my supra and have discovered the joy of not needing pans to get my car sideways
granted, tires are a little more expensive.. but it's a hell of a lot more fun
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 22, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 22 2006, 03:03 PM)
you could always do what me and my buddy did..
1. "aquire" two fast food trays ... (i prefer taco bell, cuz then i can mow on some delicious amer-exican grub)
2. find two cookie sheets that are roughly the same size
3. using a bit of jb weld (had some sitting around) glue a tray into each cookie sheet..
total cost.. maybe $6 (cookie sheets from goodwill) and we slid on those things for a good hour.
if you can find an asphalt parking lot, they will last longer. the rough surface of a normally paved lot eats them up faster.
but then i got my supra and have discovered the joy of not needing pans to get my car sideways
granted, tires are a little more expensive.. but it's a hell of a lot more funnot a bad idea
Post by: Arjun on April 22, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: Granulated on April 25, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Arjun @ Apr 22 2006, 09:06 PM)
Cookie sheets on the top or bottom? Bottom, and sparks will fly. If they are on the bottom, I don't see the point of the trays...if they are on the top, I don't see the point of the trays either since they will be ruined quickly? Not sure, my cars front wheel drive, but I have a feeling I can tip an SUV over very quickly.
Put em on the bottom, they won't spark. Not going fast enough. Prolly more slippery, too.
If any of you drive cars with questionable transmissions *COUGH* SATURN *COUGH* doing tray slides, and other irresponsible stuff is a surefire bet to throw your diff pin through the wall of your transmission.
Post by: lostboyz on April 25, 2006, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Granulated on April 25, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
They were offered on the Saturn Vue's and maybe even the Saturn Ion's for a short time...none of the new or old models have em.
Post by: B1ZKIT on April 25, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: ubernewb on April 25, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
...anyways, the cookie sheets slide better but can get fairly warm.. we toss the trays on them to help suck up some heat and give the tires a bit more traction. and we very rarely get sparks.. not saying it doesn't happen, but even when it does... come on, it's cool
hahaha
QUOTE(B1ZKIT @ Apr 26 2006, 04:37 AM)
uhm..... yeah
i'm sorry, but pulling a e-brake 180 is not drifting...
drifting can be achieved in a ff, but that ain't it. and as for the trays, they tend to work a bit better on the smooth surface of a parking lot. you guys lost them because the ground was rough and was catching them. you should give it a shot sometime, they stay put a lot longer and you'll have a lot more fun.
Post by: B1ZKIT on April 26, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 26, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
......now i just need it to snow a lot again
Post by: Owtlaw333 on April 27, 2006, 02:51:00 AM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 25 2006, 06:47 PM)
drifting can be achieved in a ff, but that ain't it.
No it can't. Drifting is exclusive to RWD and some AWD with rediculous HP (but with less control probably). I think ur thinking of powersliding which, again, is not drifting.
Post by: danielmid on April 27, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 27, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: Granulated on April 27, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: ubernewb on April 27, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
QUOTE(danielmid @ Apr 27 2006, 06:28 PM)
Ill go search for it now, but there was a vid of a ff actually drifting. No ebrake.
there's video of a white civic hatch drifting that's floating around on streetfire.net, but he's definately using the e-brake. any ff drifter has too..
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 28, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
i also plan to try old skateboard decks instead of trays/cookie sheets
Post by: lordvader129 on April 28, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Apr 28 2006, 04:33 PM)
why would FF stand for Front Wheel Drive or Front engine?? just curious doesnt make sense to me
i assume it stands for both, Front Front
Post by: lostboyz on April 28, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on April 28, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 27 2006, 07:44 PM)
there's video of a white civic hatch drifting that's floating around on streetfire.net, but he's definately using the e-brake. any ff drifter has too..
Again, it's called power sliding... not drifting.
I don't care what video you find.... you can not drift with a FWD car. Drifting by definition (off the top of my head, lol) is losing traction of the rear wheels by over-throttling and oversteering the car so the rear slides from underneath causing the car to move sideways. It is impossible for a FWD to lose traction of the rear wheels causing them to move sideways without locking them up (which then voids the term "drifting" imo). Unless of course you are on a slippery surface such as ice (or dirt like lostboyz said), it's just not possible.
Drifting is a continuous motion that is controlled. A FWD car can not continuosly move sideways and be controlled. They slide... and sliding is not continuous; it slows down.
That's how I see it at least.
Post by: ubernewb on April 29, 2006, 02:27:00 AM
http://videos.street...48935556436.htm
Post by: xboxhackern00b on April 29, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on April 30, 2006, 02:57:00 AM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 28 2006, 11:34 PM)
i'm not even gonna get into this argument.. because it's obvious that you don't know enough about the sport. here's a simple explanation for ya.. if he run's the car in the d1 circuit, he's a drifter.. plain and simple. if you watch the video, you can clearly see that the rear tires aren't locked up the entire time he's sliding.. he simply uses the e-brake to initiate the drift, which is common practice with even the FR drivers. it's called a braking drift.. but i guess that would make them non-drifters in your book right?
http://videos.street...48935556436.htm
You obviously didn't understand anything I said. No, I don't consider that video drifting. He is sliding. If you look, he pulls the brake, slides, decellerates, speeds back up, pulls the break, rinses & repeats. That's not drifting in my book, ur right. I completely understand that RWD cars use the e-brake.... but they move in a continuous motion without decellerating. It's fluid. That vidieo is not fluid; it's jerky. (Speed, slowdown, speed, slowdown) It's just slide after slide. Does it make it any less impressive? No... but not the same. But I guess ur opinion is higher than mine, so it doesn't matter
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Post by: ubernewb on April 30, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
drifting isn't about simply giving your car gas and making it go sideways, it's about using whatever means necessary (including the e-brake) to push your car and your abilities to the very edge and holding them there. maintaining chaos...
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 01, 2006, 12:17:00 AM
My views have nothing to do with "not following the sport enough", it's just differing opinions... it's something people have. Get over it, lol. It's like the arguments about which events belong in the olympics. It just happens
Post by: _GhOsT_ on May 01, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Basically, drifting is getting your car sideways down a road. It doesn't sound very hard does it? Sounds a lot like power sliding huh? Well it isn't. It's much more complex. Instead of a drifter causing a drift and then countering to straighten out, he will instead over-counter so his car goes into another drift. That is the reason many drifters do it in the mountains, because there are many sharp turns strung together. So in essence a good drifter has the ability to take five or six opposing turns without having traction at any point in time.
How is it Done?
There are two ways to start a drift. The first is the clutching technique. When approaching a turn the driver will push in the clutch and shift his car into second gear. Then rev the engine up to around 4000-5000 rpm (it all depends all the model of the car being used) and then slightly turn away from the turn and then cut back towards it hard while at the same time popping the clutch and causing the rear wheels to spin. At this point the drifter has a loss of traction and is beginning to slide around the curve. Now comes the hard part. You have to hold the drift until the next turn. To do this you must keep your foot on the accelerator while at the same time adjusting your car with the steering wheel so you don't spin out. It's not as easy as it sounds. Then as the drifter reaches the end of the turn and approaches the next turn which is in the opposite direction he must cut the wheel in that direction and in some cases, if the previous drift was to slow and they start to regain traction, they must pop the clutch again to get the wheels spinning. And that is how you drift a rear wheel drive car.The second technique is used by a few drifters in rear wheel drives, but is the only way you can really drift a front wheel drive. You have to use the side brake. A front wheel drive can not whip it's tail out because the tires are being driven in the front as opposed to the rear. So when approaching a turn you pull the side brake to cause traction loss. And the rest is pretty much the same except that it's much harder to take more than one turn with a front wheel driver
http://streetracing....rift/drift1.htm
Post by: Granulated on May 01, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
Can FF sliding/ass dragging be called drifting? Maybe. I really don't think it is.
It's a COMPLETELY different animal from RWD drifting...why group them together?
That video was lots of e-brake sliding. I didn't see any drifting.
You stand on the throttle during a true drift, you probably whip around. You stand on the throttle during a FF "drift", and it straightens you out.
Post by: ubernewb on May 01, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
but i did get a chuckle at how fwd is being seperated from rwd/awd because it's done differently.. if that was the case, then rwd and awd should be split as well since their techniques differ as well. but then we'd take it a step farther and start breaking up the rwd class as well.. because fr (front engine rear drive) and mr (mid engine rear drive) cars also handle differently due to weight distribution.. sorry, but that's just too much different shit to keep track of.
Post by: Rylinkus on May 01, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Apr 30 2006, 06:56 PM)
drifting isn't about simply giving your car gas and making it go sideways, it's about using whatever means necessary (including the e-brake) to push your car and your abilities to the very edge and holding them there. maintaining chaos...
If you wanted to push the car to it's limits youd be using grip instead of sliding on a track. Drifting is less of a racing technique and more of an artform. Like comparing Olympic Greco-Roman Wrestling to the WWE.
Post by: ubernewb on May 01, 2006, 05:35:00 PM
but i will disagree about the grip vs. drift thing in regards to ability.. a real "drift" is hard to achieve. anyone and their grandmother can get the ass end to hang out, but getting it out there and still maintaining control over it thru numerous turns is incredibly difficult. a prime example of this would be in tandem or group drifting.. anyone can hang inches away from another car when the car is under control (grip) .. try doing that when only 2 of your tires are getting semi-traction at best. their ability to control that is absolutely amazing.
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 01, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ May 1 2006, 12:52 PM)
so everyone here seems to have different opinions on what should be classified as drifting... that's cool. i guess i choose to follow the japanese in regards to what does and does not qualify as drifting, after all.. they did invent the sport and all.
I wouldn't say they invented drifting... but I would say they were the ones to turn it into a sport. And who says all the Japanese are content with fwd being classified as drifters? I bet they're just as split.
Post by: Granulated on May 02, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ May 1 2006, 04:52 PM)
but i did get a chuckle at how fwd is being seperated from rwd/awd because it's done differently.. if that was the case, then rwd and awd should be split as well since their techniques differ as well. but then we'd take it a step farther and start breaking up the rwd class as well.. because fr (front engine rear drive) and mr (mid engine rear drive) cars also handle differently due to weight distribution.. sorry, but that's just too much different shit to keep track of.
I apologize for the lack of clarity in my post. What I meant by "Whole different animal" wasn't actually technique, but more of a physical analysis of what's going on, which I kind of covered in my last sentence of that post.
Post by: lostboyz on May 02, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 1 2006, 04:53 PM)
If you wanted to push the car to it's limits youd be using grip instead of sliding on a track. Drifting is less of a racing technique and more of an artform. Like comparing Olympic Greco-Roman Wrestling to the WWE.
unless you are on dirt or ice where the ability to maintain traction and speed is impossible (i.e. sno drift and rally racing). The only real racing where drifting makes sense.
Dont get me wrong doing an awesome drift or accidently fishtailing around a corner but maintaining control gives me a hardon but otherwise it isnt a sport in my eyes. At least not a sport that can be judged
Post by: Rylinkus on May 02, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 2 2006, 09:06 PM)
unless you are on dirt or ice where the ability to maintain traction and speed is impossible (i.e. sno drift and rally racing). The only real racing where drifting makes sense.
Dont get me wrong doing an awesome drift or accidently fishtailing around a corner but maintaining control gives me a hardon but otherwise it isnt a sport in my eyes. At least not a sport that can be judged
Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.
Post by: lostboyz on May 02, 2006, 10:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 2 2006, 03:59 PM)
Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.
I 100% agree
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 02, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 2 2006, 11:59 AM)
Rally racing is a whole nother thing. On a tarmac track that has decent traction sliding around is only going to hurt your times going around a track.
I wish they covered Rally racing more in the States
. It's pretty much the only racing I watch and it's on the Speed channel, what... 2 months outta the year once a week? It's so lame. NASCAR is bullshit. Yeah, I said it.... bullshit.
Post by: lostboyz on May 03, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
I dont even get speed channel here, and since WRC dosent even come to the states go check out rally america
http://www.rally-america.com/
Ive been to a few in that series (worked them too) Its so much better up close
Post by: Rylinkus on May 03, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 04, 2006, 12:48:00 AM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 3 2006, 09:52 AM)
I dont even get speed channel here, and since WRC dosent even come to the states go check out rally america
http://www.rally-america.com/
Ive been to a few in that series (worked them too) Its so much better up close
I've watched the American races on Speed Channel once or twice... It's just not quite the same with only, what, 3 teams? (Ford, Mitz, & Subaru) lol ...at least it seems that way. The drivers for Citreon and Pugeot are amazing. Those companies make hideous cars (IMO anyways, haha), but their rally drivers are fantastic. Oh well... better than nothing I guess. Although Nevada seems to be the closest they get to my neck of the woods... or lack-there-of, haha.
Post by: lostboyz on May 04, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
Yea rally-america dosent have all the racing sponsors but it really dosent matter when your watching
this year it was by far majority subaru's and most people arent professionally sponsored
this year had
6-7 WRX Sti's (05 and 06's)
2-3 Dodge SRT-4
a couple lancer evo's, and from there it was old VW's and other random cars
last year had a 72 corvette from this guy who owns a hotrod shop in st. louis
Post by: xboxhackern00b on May 04, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 05, 2006, 02:11:00 AM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ May 3 2006, 10:12 PM)
well if you read the article on there they are adding a race this year in LA for the x-games so keep an eye on that
Figures that that is on the FRONT PAGE! lol No I didn't read it... I just skipped over the giant, red X and looked elsewhere. But I also found another one in July in West Covina which is about an hour.... well, realistically, with traffic, an hour and 45 min away from where I live. Might have ta check that one out.
But for some reason I don't see Rally racing as an X-games sport.... but I haven't watched x-games in prolly 5 or six years, so I really don't care, haha.
Post by: lostboyz on May 05, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ May 5 2006, 03:18 AM)
Figures that that is on the FRONT PAGE! lol No I didn't read it... I just skipped over the giant, red X and looked elsewhere. But I also found another one in July in West Covina which is about an hour.... well, realistically, with traffic, an hour and 45 min away from where I live. Might have ta check that one out.
But for some reason I don't see Rally racing as an X-games sport.... but I haven't watched x-games in prolly 5 or six years, so I really don't care, haha.
Yea me neither but being televised on network TV is all that really matters to me, as long as I dont have to sit through hours of skateboarding or something first
Post by: xrambo on May 14, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on May 14, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: xboxhackern00b on May 14, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
QUOTE(xrambo @ May 14 2006, 03:26 PM)
how do you pull of the so called tray slidin maneuver. pull e-brake then drive some1 explain...
get a front wheel drive car get 2 fast food trays or any of the other things mentioned her like cookie sheets or a broken skateboard put your back wheels on it, stop, pull the E-Brake so the back wheels are locked up then just drive until you wear through whatever it is that you're sliding on