Post by: yaazz on October 04, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 12:51 AM)
A celica of that year is a very sexy looking car when it had a full body kit and rims on it and has been molded correctly with a supra style wing and a nice paintjob, not some overthe top paintjob, but a nice one tone job.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 04, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 04, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(yaazz @ Oct 5 2005, 02:17 AM)
I still say your in rice denial... seriously, who cares what a bunch of people on the internet think about you, just admit that your a ricer. theres nothing wrong with it
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 04, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 04, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
QUOTE(yaazz @ Oct 5 2005, 02:17 AM)
I still say your in rice denial... seriously, who cares what a bunch of people on the internet think about you, just admit that your a ricer. theres nothing wrong with it
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 04, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
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man.. you ricers and your body kits..
seriously, he asked for help in making it a bit quicker, how in the hell does a body kit and "supra wing" (i think you love those a bit too much) have to do with his goal? stop trying to turn every import into a fast and furious knock-off.
how does a body kit and drop make it a "show quality car" ?? where do you live, alaska? it takes a lot more than that piddly crap to make a show car..
but then again, seeing as how he said he bought this as an economical daily driver (as well as a car for the wife to drive) .. why would he want to waste money on that crap? it serves no real world purpose and would only waste the money (and then some) that he was trying to save on the increased fuel efficiency
jebjeb, the best thing i can recommend would be to look into a decent i/h/e set and call it a day.. the opened exhaust will help the engine breathe better, pick you up a few horses, and sometimes improve mileage a little bit.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 04, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
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Post by: ubernewb on October 04, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 12:51 AM)
A celica of that year is a very sexy looking car when it had a full body kit and rims on it and has been molded correctly with a supra style wing and a nice paintjob, not some overthe top paintjob, but a nice one tone job.
man.. you ricers and your body kits..
seriously, he asked for help in making it a bit quicker, how in the hell does a body kit and "supra wing" (i think you love those a bit too much) have to do with his goal? stop trying to turn every import into a fast and furious knock-off.QUOTE
The down sides is they are fwd and not very quick. Is yours an auto or a manual? Dont go modding this car, for 3 grand and it only has 60k miles on it, its a very nice find and will be a very dependable car for a while if you take care of it. Modding it will just cut down on the mpg rating and the reliability. A full exaust, cai, rims, body kit, lowering springs, will make it a nice looking car, show car quality and a very dependable car.
how does a body kit and drop make it a "show quality car" ?? where do you live, alaska? it takes a lot more than that piddly crap to make a show car..
but then again, seeing as how he said he bought this as an economical daily driver (as well as a car for the wife to drive) .. why would he want to waste money on that crap? it serves no real world purpose and would only waste the money (and then some) that he was trying to save on the increased fuel efficiency
jebjeb, the best thing i can recommend would be to look into a decent i/h/e set and call it a day.. the opened exhaust will help the engine breathe better, pick you up a few horses, and sometimes improve mileage a little bit.
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 04, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 5 2005, 03:51 AM)
jebjeb, the best thing i can recommend would be to look into a decent i/h/e set and call it a day.. the opened exhaust will help the engine breathe better, pick you up a few horses, and sometimes improve mileage a little bit.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: xboxhackern00b on October 04, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
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in my opinion making a car look fast that isnt fast is a ricer especially with a shitty ass coffee can exhaust im not saying i/h/e is that but a body kit and a supra wing wont do anything for him for performance sure it may look nice but thats not what he cares about
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 04, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
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Post by: xboxhackern00b on October 04, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: ubernewb on October 04, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 05:14 AM)
Hrm that sounds familiar... ohh wait I said that. Celica's with body kits look very nice. If he was going for economical and reliable daily driver he wouldnt go for very much performance. i/h/e is as far as I would go unless you want to go pure performance.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 05, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
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I concur. He wants performance, not show. I would take a sleeper over a bodykit or wing anyday. Just ask Rylinkus who enjoyed beating Hondas with a little turbo sprint.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 05, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 05, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 05, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 05:14 AM)
Hrm that sounds familiar... ohh wait I said that. Celica's with body kits look very nice. If he was going for economical and reliable daily driver he wouldnt go for very much performance. i/h/e is as far as I would go unless you want to go pure performance.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: yaazz on October 05, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 05, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
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Post by: yaazz on October 05, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 05:14 AM)
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 05, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Oct 5 2005, 05:35 AM)
in my opinion making a car look fast that isnt fast is a ricer especially with a shitty ass coffee can exhaust im not saying i/h/e is that but a body kit and a supra wing wont do anything for him for performance sure it may look nice but thats not what he cares about
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 5 2005, 06:45 PM)
...a nitrous kit set up ONLY to purge. WTF is the point of buying a nitrous kit, just for the sole purpose of purging? Thats is rice...
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 06, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 06, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 7 2005, 12:39 AM)
ok.. purge system is rice huh? ...
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 08:15:00 PM
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Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 7 2005, 04:18 AM)
Yea, I bought the car like that. I didnt add a thing to it. I didnt even own it very long. I owned it a total of about 3 days before I sold it. I made 2k in profits from it. Its called business smarts man, get a clue. If you saw some riced out nice looking honda for 3 grand and you knew you could make money off of it, would you buy it? I sure hope you would, if not thats just dumb.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
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but it definately is a handy thing to have... came in handy a while back when wojo was being a headache in the case modding forum..
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 06, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 7 2005, 04:26 AM)
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on October 06, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 7 2005, 04:35 AM)
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
but it definately is a handy thing to have... came in handy a while back when wojo was being a headache in the case modding forum..
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 06, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 7 2005, 04:26 AM)
god damn you're an ignorant asshole... did you say "i bought this riced out piece of shit only to sell it and make a profit"? no.. you just said you owned it...
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 08:21:00 AM
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But Im sure you read what I had to say because of your human tendacies and urges. dumbass.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: KDragon on October 07, 2005, 11:10:00 AM
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If i had an induction filter it would be for better in take NOT LOOKS.
WTF!?!? thats like my pos 4 banger against a lawn more! DUH
looking diffrent is one thing but making you car look like an air plain with a HUGE ass wing or stickers for part that you dont have is just plain RICE!
Ricer in denile! What the hall is th point of upgrading an xboxes ram if your just playing games on it? besideds thats a shity example. what about hard drives? EVERYONE i know that has a modded xbox upgraded there hdd! and i dont know many people that "rice" there unmodded xboxes and to top it all off FUCH SPELLCHEK (lol)
I HAVE COLD CATHODS UNDER MY SEATS AM I RICE? no thay just help light up the floor... with blue light.... shit that rice aint it? fuck (jk there for the subs)
Edit: RichMR2: rich b!tch
Psykomantis00: ricer in denile/homophobe (sp?)
Rylinkus: wow someone with a brain cool!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: EverestX on October 07, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
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Post by: ubernewb on October 06, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: KDragon on October 07, 2005, 11:10:00 AM
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My car has no performance mods but an induction filter
If i had an induction filter it would be for better in take NOT LOOKS.
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You put my "riced up" MR2 up against some piece of shit performance enhanced Escort XR2i or something and it will kick ass! Infact I have video/photo evidence of my speedo showing 155MPH, and thats in a "ricers" car, with little or no performance mods.
WTF!?!? thats like my pos 4 banger against a lawn more! DUH
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And not to mention, compair it with the xbox, how many of you lot do performance mods (ram upgrade for example) and how many just make it look different?
looking diffrent is one thing but making you car look like an air plain with a HUGE ass wing or stickers for part that you dont have is just plain RICE!
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You all have riced up xboxs, but thats a good thing cus they look damn good.
Ricer in denile! What the hall is th point of upgrading an xboxes ram if your just playing games on it? besideds thats a shity example. what about hard drives? EVERYONE i know that has a modded xbox upgraded there hdd! and i dont know many people that "rice" there unmodded xboxes and to top it all off FUCH SPELLCHEK (lol)
I HAVE COLD CATHODS UNDER MY SEATS AM I RICE? no thay just help light up the floor... with blue light.... shit that rice aint it? fuck (jk there for the subs)
Edit: RichMR2: rich b!tch
Psykomantis00: ricer in denile/homophobe (sp?)
Rylinkus: wow someone with a brain cool!
Post by: EverestX on October 07, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Oct 5 2005, 01:31 AM)
but getting a wing that sits higher than your roofline is not the way to do it. it just makes it look like you're driving a big shopping cart..
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 03:47:00 PM
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Dont take that the wrong way, Im not trying to turn this in to an argument (well no more than it is without anyones help) just pointing out that while people may think im a ricer, I do actually know alot about cars and the mechanics behind it, therefore I wouldnt class myself as rice.
Just read the rest of this thread actually, and do agree with alot of it. Not sure how many would consider my MR2 (it has the veilside kit on, although currently being customised to change how it looks a bit from the 10,000 v/s kitted mr2s in the uk) as rice, some might, but the deffinition of rice is making a car look faster than it is, my NA MR2 has done 155MPH, I dont think anything but putting fake afterburners on it would make it look faster than it is, even if it does have a bit jap style kit on it (hey its a jap car). In short, I may have a kit that makes some cars look very rice, but on the MR2 it does look good IMO, it suits the car.
Anyway, basically, I do agree with most comments but will always defend those who arent Rice, its not always about engine mods, some cars are perfectly fine stock.
(Tried to edit but said i couldnt after i wrote all that)
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 07, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
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Because the stereotypical 'ricer' will beleive himself to be faster becuse of them, and act like it. Its one thing to concentrace on having the car look nice, its another to do that and think it automatically makes you a street racer because you LOOK like a street racer. At least, thats my issue with them. Its not so much that they concentrate on just the looks, its that they think it makes them faster.
I'm not so sure about this, tires yeah, they arent good for tires. The engine probably woudnt be hurt because your just revving it high, and that doesnt damage it (if it does, you have a crappy engine). I could see the drive shaft, mabye.... As for the clutch, I'm not a big 'trannsmission guy' so I really cant say.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
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Top speed means nothing. My moms turbo diesel mercedes tops out in excess of 160 mph. No one would mistake it for fast. That pic is from a track. From a safety aspect it's far more safe then you topping your car out @ 155 mph as Id assume thats on a road.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:21:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 7 2005, 08:51 PM)
Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 03:47:00 PM
Just read the rest of this thread actually, and do agree with alot of it. Not sure how many would consider my MR2 (it has the veilside kit on, although currently being customised to change how it looks a bit from the 10,000 v/s kitted mr2s in the uk) as rice, some might, but the deffinition of rice is making a car look faster than it is, my NA MR2 has done 155MPH, I dont think anything but putting fake afterburners on it would make it look faster than it is, even if it does have a bit jap style kit on it (hey its a jap car). In short, I may have a kit that makes some cars look very rice, but on the MR2 it does look good IMO, it suits the car.
Anyway, basically, I do agree with most comments but will always defend those who arent Rice, its not always about engine mods, some cars are perfectly fine stock.
(Tried to edit but said i couldnt after i wrote all that)
Post by: thewickedjester on October 07, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
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Who cares if you dont do performance mods but only styling mods?
Because the stereotypical 'ricer' will beleive himself to be faster becuse of them, and act like it. Its one thing to concentrace on having the car look nice, its another to do that and think it automatically makes you a street racer because you LOOK like a street racer. At least, thats my issue with them. Its not so much that they concentrate on just the looks, its that they think it makes them faster.
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The damage it does to the clutch, engine, tyres and drive shaft is immence.
I'm not so sure about this, tires yeah, they arent good for tires. The engine probably woudnt be hurt because your just revving it high, and that doesnt damage it (if it does, you have a crappy engine). I could see the drive shaft, mabye.... As for the clutch, I'm not a big 'trannsmission guy' so I really cant say.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 12:23 AM)
High revs, no (well very little) load is bad for an engine.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
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Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 12:32 AM)
I'd call it rice, because I can gaurentee the rims on that thing hinder it's performance.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 12:38 AM)
Tracks dont make it any better for the tyres, engine, driveshaft etc though.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 12:41 AM)
Spinning your tyres heats up the clutch causing more wear, therefore hurting it.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:03 AM)
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:03 AM)
No those rims aent stock sized but with a lower profile tyre the rolling radius is within 0.1% of the stock sized rims and tyres. Weight wise, they are lighter. So surely that improves performance?
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:35 AM)
Either way, you are focusing on the wrong part of the conversation
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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Since you wont post the car's specs I will. It's Phil Fletcher's car. Here's the amazing mod list....
Engine blitz sus power induction system
cobra sport stainless steel exhaust
Wheels 18" chrome alloys and spinners
Suspension lowered 35mm on p.i. springs
Bodywork full respray in gemini flip paint
veilside bodykit
lambo doors
lexus rear clusters blended into bodywork
Interior recaro sports seats
sparco sports pedals
sparco 3 point harnesses
ICE dvd tv cd all in one entertainment system headunit
3x 1200 watt sony amps
2x 12" 1200 watt subs sony
2x 10" 1000 watt subs sony
1x 15" 1400 watt sub sony
2x sony 6x9s
odyssey 1200 watt dry cell battery
cfq 5x graphic equaliser
Celicas come stock with 18 inch rims??? Really?
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
Engine blitz sus power induction system
cobra sport stainless steel exhaust
Wheels 18" chrome alloys and spinners
Suspension lowered 35mm on p.i. springs
Bodywork full respray in gemini flip paint
veilside bodykit
lambo doors
lexus rear clusters blended into bodywork
Interior recaro sports seats
sparco sports pedals
sparco 3 point harnesses
ICE dvd tv cd all in one entertainment system headunit
3x 1200 watt sony amps
2x 12" 1200 watt subs sony
2x 10" 1000 watt subs sony
1x 15" 1400 watt sub sony
2x sony 6x9s
odyssey 1200 watt dry cell battery
cfq 5x graphic equaliser
Celicas come stock with 18 inch rims??? Really?
Post by: RichMR2 on October 07, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 01:40 AM)
No I don't think I am. You asked if anyone would consider it rice. I answered. I consider rice any mod that detracts from performance. Heavier rim are going to do that. You can't make me think that those spinners are the "Fast and Furious light weight spinnerZ"...... Sorry.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 8 2005, 01:40 AM)
No I don't think I am. You asked if anyone would consider it rice. I answered. I consider rice any mod that detracts from performance. Heavier rim are going to do that. You can't make me think that those spinners are the "Fast and Furious light weight spinnerZ"...... Sorry.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:59 AM)
Nothing wrong with FWD cars. Seen some 10sec 1/4 mile cars which are FWD.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: lordvader129 on October 07, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
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**making my way around the forums i dont usually frequent**
re: the celica, id have to see the dyno specs to determine whether id classify it rice or not, its not too over the top so i could go either way
BTW, about the 18in rims, ive been told a shorter, stiffer sidewall on the tires (big rims = skinny tires) can improve cornering, which kinda makes sense to me, but it could just be all ricer propaganda, ive never looked much into it
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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Post by: lordvader129 on October 07, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
re: the celica, id have to see the dyno specs to determine whether id classify it rice or not, its not too over the top so i could go either way
BTW, about the 18in rims, ive been told a shorter, stiffer sidewall on the tires (big rims = skinny tires) can improve cornering, which kinda makes sense to me, but it could just be all ricer propaganda, ive never looked much into it
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 8 2005, 01:49 AM)
I have NEVER said they are stock rims! I have said that they are the same rolling radius, as they are the same size rims as mine and I know my rims are the same rolling radius now as they were when they had 14" rims and 60 profile tyres.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
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I didnt answer your ricer question, ok here I go.
I think rice is any pointless or tasteless mod. I could rattle off examples, but I think its a moot point. To me doing body work to a car that has nothing under the hood is pointless. I think it's lame to put thousands into a car to make it a show quality car when it's a complete piece of shit car to start with. Oohhh your neon is "show quality"? It's still a fucking neon. I'm sorry, but we all know it's the truth.
And I don't even know why you guys keep acting like all I care about is straight line acceleration. I've never said that. You keep talking about how irrelevant a 12 second car is. A car with a high top speed but no acceleration is even more pointless. Youre right, going 150 is stupid. But if my car accelerates I can get to 65 pretty damn fast. But I also want a car that handles. And you have no idea what I consider a performance car. It's certainly not a FWD Celica with a body kit a spinners. I respect your car because at least it's a well balanced mid engine RWD car. Pain in the ass to work on, but a fun car to drive. And THAT's whats important to me. I want a smile on my face when Im behind the wheel. And my Camaro does that. My Probe did with some mods. Ive been in a Miata that did. VW Corrado. Chevy Sprint Turbo. Each for different reasons. But fun is fun and I like enjoying a drive.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 07, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
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You're absolutely right, the more rubber on the sidewall gives the car more movement on a Z axis (as little as it is) this keeps the bottom, tread, of the tire on the ground and less chance for it to slide when going around corners, ending up in more traction which is MUCH better when taking a corner faster than you should.
How about 155
I assume you mean gas, fact is you can build a really fast car that doesnt use a whole lot of gas (I'm not talking 10 sec in the 1/4 mile, and I dont mean you get 35-40 MPG). As for street legal, I've seen 1000+ hp cars rolling down the street. I cant speak for the UK, but I've never seen a car thats not street legal because it has to much power.
It can be as simple as that, a AWD or RWD will have an advantage over a FWD almost any day. That ISNT to say that a FWD can't run 12s or even 10s, I've seen them at the local drag strip. The fact is though you get better weight distribution from a RWD or a AWD car. More weight in the back = more force (downward force) on the rear tires = better traction = less tire-spinning = better times.
Which is why I dont drive cars with the whole 1in profile tire. My car has relatively low profile tires (the stock SS ones are pretty small) and I havent measured but its at least 2 in, and I think more. The whole 1in profile thing just serves no purpose.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: ubernewb on October 07, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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just to clarify an earlier mistake there richmr2, the integra type r does not use a 1.6L engine. the type r comes with a b18c5, which is a 1.8L engine.
and they are most certainly not 13 second cars in their stock form.. high 14's more likely.. but they can definately be made to go a lot faster than that.
as for rice, like i said earlier... form before function equals rice in my book. if it serves no real world purpose other than trying to impress little girls i think it's a waste of money.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
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There is a difference in a fast car and a quick car. Fast is top end, quick is low 0-60 times. A good car is one with a high top end and a low 0-60 <- thats how it works in drag racing anyway.
There are many set ups to different racing types. Drag racing is the weakest type of racing in my opinion, all its concerned with is a moderate top end and a low 0-60. Auto cross shows what a real car is. You have to have decent acceleration with little to no wheel spin, great handeling, and multiple other things.
Crome rims are way heavier than aluminum rims. The bigger the foot print, the more traction you will have during take off. The reason people have low profile tires (and actually have a reason for them) is because they can get the car a tad lower and still have a nice wheel size.
If I could choose a car, I would get either a R-R or F-R or AWD car. FF is just not a good car for performance.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 09, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
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So you cant build one that does both? I've been looking for a classic Camaro or an old Chevelle to a huge engine rebuild on. Run it on pump gas, but I would race it on Friday nights at the local strip. Theres not this clear line in between the two where you can have a car that does both.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 09, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 07, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
I think rice is any pointless or tasteless mod. I could rattle off examples, but I think its a moot point. To me doing body work to a car that has nothing under the hood is pointless. I think it's lame to put thousands into a car to make it a show quality car when it's a complete piece of shit car to start with. Oohhh your neon is "show quality"? It's still a fucking neon. I'm sorry, but we all know it's the truth.
And I don't even know why you guys keep acting like all I care about is straight line acceleration. I've never said that. You keep talking about how irrelevant a 12 second car is. A car with a high top speed but no acceleration is even more pointless. Youre right, going 150 is stupid. But if my car accelerates I can get to 65 pretty damn fast. But I also want a car that handles. And you have no idea what I consider a performance car. It's certainly not a FWD Celica with a body kit a spinners. I respect your car because at least it's a well balanced mid engine RWD car. Pain in the ass to work on, but a fun car to drive. And THAT's whats important to me. I want a smile on my face when Im behind the wheel. And my Camaro does that. My Probe did with some mods. Ive been in a Miata that did. VW Corrado. Chevy Sprint Turbo. Each for different reasons. But fun is fun and I like enjoying a drive.
Post by: thewickedjester on October 07, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
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BTW, about the 18in rims, ive been told a shorter, stiffer sidewall on the tires (big rims = skinny tires) can improve cornering, which kinda makes sense to me, but it could just be all ricer propaganda, ive never looked much into it
You're absolutely right, the more rubber on the sidewall gives the car more movement on a Z axis (as little as it is) this keeps the bottom, tread, of the tire on the ground and less chance for it to slide when going around corners, ending up in more traction which is MUCH better when taking a corner faster than you should.
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you wont be doing 170 on the roads
How about 155
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but it wont be able to go to the shops to get the weekly shopping without costing the earth to get there or may not even be road legal.
I assume you mean gas, fact is you can build a really fast car that doesnt use a whole lot of gas (I'm not talking 10 sec in the 1/4 mile, and I dont mean you get 35-40 MPG). As for street legal, I've seen 1000+ hp cars rolling down the street. I cant speak for the UK, but I've never seen a car thats not street legal because it has to much power.
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But with anything, the driver has alot to do with it too, as does the engine position, drive type, everything. Not as simple as FWD, RWD, 4WD
It can be as simple as that, a AWD or RWD will have an advantage over a FWD almost any day. That ISNT to say that a FWD can't run 12s or even 10s, I've seen them at the local drag strip. The fact is though you get better weight distribution from a RWD or a AWD car. More weight in the back = more force (downward force) on the rear tires = better traction = less tire-spinning = better times.
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if taken too fast the tyre can come off the rim easier
Which is why I dont drive cars with the whole 1in profile tire. My car has relatively low profile tires (the stock SS ones are pretty small) and I havent measured but its at least 2 in, and I think more. The whole 1in profile thing just serves no purpose.
Post by: ubernewb on October 07, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
and they are most certainly not 13 second cars in their stock form.. high 14's more likely.. but they can definately be made to go a lot faster than that.
as for rice, like i said earlier... form before function equals rice in my book. if it serves no real world purpose other than trying to impress little girls i think it's a waste of money.
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 07, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
There are many set ups to different racing types. Drag racing is the weakest type of racing in my opinion, all its concerned with is a moderate top end and a low 0-60. Auto cross shows what a real car is. You have to have decent acceleration with little to no wheel spin, great handeling, and multiple other things.
Crome rims are way heavier than aluminum rims. The bigger the foot print, the more traction you will have during take off. The reason people have low profile tires (and actually have a reason for them) is because they can get the car a tad lower and still have a nice wheel size.
If I could choose a car, I would get either a R-R or F-R or AWD car. FF is just not a good car for performance.
Post by: thewickedjester on October 09, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
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My street legal thing was saying why bother with 1000+ HP for a street legal car? You want a car that powerful then build a drag car for drag not for popping to the shops.
So you cant build one that does both? I've been looking for a classic Camaro or an old Chevelle to a huge engine rebuild on. Run it on pump gas, but I would race it on Friday nights at the local strip. Theres not this clear line in between the two where you can have a car that does both.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 09, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 9 2005, 03:07 PM)
Rice is pointless mods, I agree, but when done to something that has go aswell as show then thats not rice, so, celica, with a 3SGE or 3SGTE lump in wouldnt be rice as it has alot of go (150 top end, 7.5sec 0-60 as stock on a good day with a good driver)
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rustmonkey on October 09, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
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Post by: Rustmonkey on October 09, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 7 2005, 08:12 PM)
There is a difference in a fast car and a quick car. Fast is top end, quick is low 0-60 times. A good car is one with a high top end and a low 0-60 <- thats how it works in drag racing anyway.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 09, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 09, 2005, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Rustmonkey @ Oct 10 2005, 04:01 AM)
Ok, well not to be an ass, but if you're a fan of autos or racing, then there really isn't a weak type of racing. And drag racing is all about 0-60 times. Thats what torque is all about... notice the 70 chevelle doing a wheelstand? Oodles of torque means oodles of acceleration... drag racing is about going as fast as possible as quickly as possible and being consistant at doing it.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 09, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 09, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 10 2005, 05:14 AM)
Its all about the driver. I could outperform a lot, if not all of you drag racing fans in auto cross with my sunfire or mirage (probably sunfire since I havent driven my mirage in forever) both FF cars. Its all about the driver. You could have a henessy competition viper with 1000 horse power against a 200 horse power stock integra and the better driver would always win. In auto cross you dont need tons of power and tons of torque to be a good peice of competition.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rustmonkey on October 09, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
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Post by: Rustmonkey on October 09, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 9 2005, 09:14 PM)
Its all about the driver. I could outperform a lot, if not all of you drag racing fans in auto cross with my sunfire or mirage (probably sunfire since I havent driven my mirage in forever) both FF cars. Its all about the driver. You could have a henessy competition viper with 1000 horse power against a 200 horse power stock integra and the better driver would always win. In auto cross you dont need tons of power and tons of torque to be a good peice of competition.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 10, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 10, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 10 2005, 05:14 AM)
Its all about the driver. I could outperform a lot, if not all of you drag racing fans in auto cross with my sunfire or mirage (probably sunfire since I havent driven my mirage in forever) both FF cars. Its all about the driver. You could have a henessy competition viper with 1000 horse power against a 200 horse power stock integra and the better driver would always win. In auto cross you dont need tons of power and tons of torque to be a good peice of competition.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 10, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 10, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 10 2005, 02:28 PM)
Yes people can name cars that are better than a celica but you name any car and I bet I can name something better.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 10, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 10, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 10 2005, 02:28 PM)
OK, Celica has a 3SGE engine in, the same engine that is in an MR2. 2L 16V 174BHP standard, 0-60 in 7.5secs, 1/4 mile in 14s and top end of around 150MPH as standard. That isnt a shit car now is it? Its not as good as a 1000BHP skyline which does 0-60 in 4.5 secs, 1/4 mile in under 10 secs but its not a shit car.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 10, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 10, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 10 2005, 08:11 AM)
Yeah maybe if a retard is driving the viper.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 10, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
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The supra thing, FR cars arent as good at getting the power down, the engine needs to be directly above the drive wheels for optimum performance, so FF or MR.
WTF are you talking about?
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 10, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 10, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 10 2005, 02:28 PM)
The supra thing, FR cars arent as good at getting the power down, the engine needs to be directly above the drive wheels for optimum performance, so FF or MR.
WTF are you talking about?
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 10, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Oct 11 2005, 03:25 AM)
No shit. As a buddy of mine once put it, if you put a retard in a race car and Dale Earnhardt Jr. in a Yugo, the retard is gonna win. In two cars that are pretty comparable it is all about the driver and even in cars that are farther apart the driver still can be the winning factor. However, only a complete fucktard could have a 1000HP Viper and get beaten by a 200HP Integra.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 12:25:00 AM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 12:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 07:34 AM)
Saying drifting isnt a race type is like saying drag racing isnt a race type. Both are sports involving cars.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 11, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
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Post by: RichMR2 on October 11, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 11 2005, 08:36 AM)
sorry, IMO, drifting is a sport, but not a type of racing. racing needs cold hard times/speeds, facts. not judges. ask anyone who is serious about making power with their car, it's all about et's and trap speeds, 1/4 mile is a great way to test mods plain and simple. and by the way, i love watching drift events, when i get one of my cars setup properly i'll prolly enter a few drift events.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 11, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
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Because theres a big difference between adding a few cosmetic things to your 12 Second car, its quite different to throw a coffee can muffler, a few graphics, and a body kit onto your stock Celica, or whatever you have. Thats rice, thats why people get aggressive, because the stereotypical 'ricer' beleives himself to be the hottest shit on the street when he hasnt even touced the engine bay, save for a 'air intake'....
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 11, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
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That reads wrong, i didnt mean by any means that the 3SGE is a powerful performance engine.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 08:24:00 AM
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nope, i don't like the look, yes that's my opinion, sorry, but short of plucking my eyeballs out i do have to see them
one of my good friends drives a riced out honda accord, i could care less, at least his body kit is painted the same color as the rest of his car unlike the non-show car "ricers" i disliked who thinks the world is agianst them and they have to defend themselves even when not attacked. oh wait, that sounds like you. and i said my theory is prolly not the best way to judge, and that cars with parts just for show are useless IMO. i know a few guys with turbos that look good, but are unusable because of their size and barely make boost near redline, but boy do they look good with the hood up.....rice. so calm down, how can you put your feelings into words perfectally? if you've ever really been in love then you know it's not easy to explain how something makes you feel, and to define ever little piece.
no i don't like your car, mainly because it's not my cup of tea. i like mr2's, new a guy with one that was stupid fast. and that may be another reason i don't like your car, because of your choices, you could have not gotten part A and gotten part B that would have made your car fast. but it's your car, not mine, so i keep those thoughts to myself save for a "ricer" comment that might be thrown in here and there. don't take things so seriously, if someone doesn't like your car, f*** em. i know i get shit from a bunch of people about my POS, but i love it, i'd have to really total it to get rid of it.
and FF for traction? you've got to be kidding, cars are FF now a days for a few reasons, the main one cost, it's cheaper to have everything in one area instead of shoved under the car like FR. and yeah, it'll give good traction in the snow, but i wouldn't say better than FR, because with a locking diff(which most FR's don't have), good tires and a little extra weight in the trunk you can't stop em. not to mention they are way funner in the snow. and FF are idiot proof in the rain/etc, the main problem is pushing into turns, then people just slow down because they can't turn, but in FR if the rear steps out it's harder than just slowing down. less accidents in theory for FF
till later
jason
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:36:00 AM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 11, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
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And no one has given me a decent reason for being so harsh to anyone who likes to make their cars look different! Because its pointless is a shit excuse, it doesnt even effect you if they do pointless mods so why so aggressive and on it all the time?!
Because theres a big difference between adding a few cosmetic things to your 12 Second car, its quite different to throw a coffee can muffler, a few graphics, and a body kit onto your stock Celica, or whatever you have. Thats rice, thats why people get aggressive, because the stereotypical 'ricer' beleives himself to be the hottest shit on the street when he hasnt even touced the engine bay, save for a 'air intake'....
Post by: RichMR2 on October 11, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 11 2005, 02:20 PM)
So try to find a proper reason why people are so aggressive towards show cars. If you personally dont like how they look then fine, thats your opinion, you dont have to look, drive or see them.
nope, i don't like the look, yes that's my opinion, sorry, but short of plucking my eyeballs out i do have to see them
one of my good friends drives a riced out honda accord, i could care less, at least his body kit is painted the same color as the rest of his car unlike the non-show car "ricers" i disliked who thinks the world is agianst them and they have to defend themselves even when not attacked. oh wait, that sounds like you. and i said my theory is prolly not the best way to judge, and that cars with parts just for show are useless IMO. i know a few guys with turbos that look good, but are unusable because of their size and barely make boost near redline, but boy do they look good with the hood up.....rice. so calm down, how can you put your feelings into words perfectally? if you've ever really been in love then you know it's not easy to explain how something makes you feel, and to define ever little piece.
no i don't like your car, mainly because it's not my cup of tea. i like mr2's, new a guy with one that was stupid fast. and that may be another reason i don't like your car, because of your choices, you could have not gotten part A and gotten part B that would have made your car fast. but it's your car, not mine, so i keep those thoughts to myself save for a "ricer" comment that might be thrown in here and there. don't take things so seriously, if someone doesn't like your car, f*** em. i know i get shit from a bunch of people about my POS, but i love it, i'd have to really total it to get rid of it.
and FF for traction? you've got to be kidding, cars are FF now a days for a few reasons, the main one cost, it's cheaper to have everything in one area instead of shoved under the car like FR. and yeah, it'll give good traction in the snow, but i wouldn't say better than FR, because with a locking diff(which most FR's don't have), good tires and a little extra weight in the trunk you can't stop em. not to mention they are way funner in the snow. and FF are idiot proof in the rain/etc, the main problem is pushing into turns, then people just slow down because they can't turn, but in FR if the rear steps out it's harder than just slowing down. less accidents in theory for FF
till later
jason
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(thewickedjester @ Oct 11 2005, 01:32 PM)
Because theres a big difference between adding a few cosmetic things to your 12 Second car, its quite different to throw a coffee can muffler, a few graphics, and a body kit onto your stock Celica, or whatever you have. Thats rice, thats why people get aggressive, because the stereotypical 'ricer' beleives himself to be the hottest shit on the street when he hasnt even touced the engine bay, save for a 'air intake'....
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
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yeah, well i haven't been to any drift events yet in person, because i haven't been able to drive 6-9 hours north to new england for a 1-2 day event then drive home, but hopefully i will be able to soon. many of my friends from online forums have competed in drift events. but from vids/pictures friends send me they are the only one on the track, and i remember hearing that a friends car got tons of crowd chear, but the judges were all asian and wouldn't let a euro wagon win. so that's what my comment was based on
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 11, 2005, 08:48:00 AM
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Again, I have nothing against show cars. Though I personally would never own one, I beleive that you can get an import car to look very nice. My issue comes with the attitudes, not the cars themselves.
1) Why not? Say what you think, hold nothing back. Its just words...
2) Jesus christ, just say it, cunt, bit fucking deal.
Going by what I consider rice, most anti-ricers are people who KNOW about cars and get pissed by lack of engine work on cars that people claim to be super-cars. Wether they drive imports or not.
You know, you keep bringing up 'show cars' like thats what a body kit does, makes the otherwise-stock car into a show winner. So lets clear this up, heres rice, this is not a show car, this is a car that someone invested nothing but an Air Intake into, threw on a wing and body kit, and thinks hes the 'master of the road':
Now the car you linked to, that wasnt neccissarily rice, in my personall opinion I beleive engine should always come before cosmetics. But the car you showed wasnt rice, it was just a car that had cosmetics as it was a show car, theres a difference. But the car you linked to, wasnt anything close to 'just a body kit and muffler'.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 11, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: thewickedjester on October 11, 2005, 08:48:00 AM
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The stereotypical ricer, bollocks!! I know ALOT of people who have show cars (or rice in your opinions), they dont act that way at all!
Again, I have nothing against show cars. Though I personally would never own one, I beleive that you can get an import car to look very nice. My issue comes with the attitudes, not the cars themselves.
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Stereotypical American is overweight but do I say "Ha, your american, you fat c**t go get some junk food!"? No!
1) Why not? Say what you think, hold nothing back. Its just words...
2) Jesus christ, just say it, cunt, bit fucking deal.
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stereotypical anti ricers are complete cocks who dont know shit about cars!
Going by what I consider rice, most anti-ricers are people who KNOW about cars and get pissed by lack of engine work on cars that people claim to be super-cars. Wether they drive imports or not.
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So try to find a proper reason why people are so aggressive towards show cars. If you personally dont like how they look then fine, thats your opinion, you dont have to look, drive or see them.
You know, you keep bringing up 'show cars' like thats what a body kit does, makes the otherwise-stock car into a show winner. So lets clear this up, heres rice, this is not a show car, this is a car that someone invested nothing but an Air Intake into, threw on a wing and body kit, and thinks hes the 'master of the road':
Now the car you linked to, that wasnt neccissarily rice, in my personall opinion I beleive engine should always come before cosmetics. But the car you showed wasnt rice, it was just a car that had cosmetics as it was a show car, theres a difference. But the car you linked to, wasnt anything close to 'just a body kit and muffler'.
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 11, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 07:34 AM)
I bet to differ. Ive seen a V12 super car get destroyed by a Flat 4 on a road coarse. It is all about the driver.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
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http://www.sjr-scca....20_results.html
second chart down is a forum buddy of mine in the 83 toyota corolla, 2nd overall in autocross on street tires with under 90hp. driver and car setup can make a difference.
just playing devils advocate
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
second chart down is a forum buddy of mine in the 83 toyota corolla, 2nd overall in autocross on street tires with under 90hp. driver and car setup can make a difference.
just playing devils advocate
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Oct 11 2005, 05:43 PM)
Where have you seen this and what kind of HP/Torque was each car pushing? Did the V-12 have a major mechanical malfunction during the race? I'm sorry man but your credibility here has been shot to shit time and time again. You do have some knowledge of cars but everything else you just seem to pull out of your ass or reading rediculous claims on the I-net. Anyways, anytime you want to try to prove that, you just let me know. I consider myself an average driver at best. Since you seem and claim to know everything about cars, I challange you to show up in a stock Yugo, Ford Festiva and run against my stock N/A RX-7. I will kill you in just about any contest regaurdless of how good you drive.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 11, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 11, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 06:37 PM)
Top gear. Both cars were stock. One was a V12 Diablo I think, not for sure, but I do know it had 12 cylinders. Other car was a Flat 4 Sti. Both stock, both AWD, V12 spun out because of the pressure the Flat 4 was putting on him. Btw, both were professional drivers.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 11 2005, 05:31 PM)
Im not doing engine mods because in order to get anything over 200HP from a stock 3SGE engine I would have to spend thousands on it for tiny gains, if I wanted a car to do engine mods on I wouldnt have got an MR2.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
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Sure this is such crap. I think i have already proved you just pull everything you say out of your ass.
WTF? The Atom isnt even a street legal car. It doesnt have a roof or windshield (or any safty features). Sure cant be a daily driver. Its a toy, not a car to be compared to cars that follow standard saftey rules. Its definently NOT a street car.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
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Ok here's my points.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
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bet to differ. Ive seen a V12 super car get destroyed by a Flat 4 on a road coarse. It is all about the driver.
Sure this is such crap. I think i have already proved you just pull everything you say out of your ass.
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Another car that would your ass to you in a pretty package with a bow would be the Ariel Atom. The older model with the supercharged integra motor. Faster than street bikes, handles better than F1 cars, and has 4 cylinders instead of 12, and still a street car and not a race car.
WTF? The Atom isnt even a street legal car. It doesnt have a roof or windshield (or any safty features). Sure cant be a daily driver. Its a toy, not a car to be compared to cars that follow standard saftey rules. Its definently NOT a street car.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Oct 11 2005, 07:36 PM)
AWD? Since when has the Diablo been AWD? BTW as for the Ariel, that proves nothing. You were arguing that a driver with a significantly inferrior Torque/HP ratio could kill a higher HP vehicle provided he had really good driving/racing skills. Of course a Supercharged 4-banger that is lighter than my N/A RX-7 could give it a run for it's money. That is why I suggested to really prove you theory to take a completely stock Yugo or Ford Festiva (3 or 4 cylinder econobox) and put it up against my RX-7. So tell me Mr. Know-it-all, do you still think you could beat my RX-7 given the circumstances and prove that drivers are what matters no matter what they are driving?
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 11 2005, 10:29 PM)
Sure this is such crap. I think i have already proved you just pull everything you say out of your ass.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 11:20 PM)
It was awd, dont know if it was a diablo or not thats just what sticks out in my mind. It was a V12 awd supercar tho, that got molested by a flat 4 boxer engine.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Oct 11 2005, 11:28 PM)
Actually Lambos arent meant to be astonishing handling supercars. More loud, brash, etc. But several of them are indeed AWD. As a matter of fact Im not sure theres even a RWD Lambo made anymore.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 12 2005, 12:21 AM)
Its still classed as a super car and I still see it as a great defeat. Did you see that episode? I think it was either yellow or orange and it spun out after almost being passed, given more time it would have been passed. Now if I could choose which one I would want for free... believe me the V12 would get first pick, buf since I cant afford one and will never be dumb enough to buy one, Ill stick to the 4cyl that is better than the super car.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: yaazz on October 11, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
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Post by: yaazz on October 11, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 06:37 PM)
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 11:28 PM)
BTW real racing isnt judged by timeslips, timeslips are only a part of drag racing. Real racing can be between 2 people in a vehicle that are on a track that want to see which one is better. I always try to watch the nascar road races just to see how the good ole boys handle a real track instead of going in circles all day.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 11 2005, 11:28 PM)
Yes it is. It definately IS a street car. The T-Rex that was made by some motorcycle company is also a street legal car, and very quick.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 12 2005, 02:11 AM)
How is it a steet car if it isnt even street legal? Answer that. Cars have to have certain thing these days to be considered street legal. Windsheilds are one, Passing the crash test is another. This definently didnt pass a crash test. Not to mention it cant be driven daily, it has no roof. That mean you cant use it in the rain or winter. Its really just a toy car and shouldnt be compared to a car that can be driven all year round and put on the road without any crazy paperwork.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
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MY bad it was an Evo not an Sti. Im looking for a link right now. This forum has more errors than any other site Ive ever been to, it took me 10 friggin mins before I could post because I kept getting "server is a peice of shit, sorry"
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3517ZWUM
Found it.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3517ZWUM
Found it.
Ok this server is pissing me off. Also megaupload is down for the moment. The internet is basically being homosexual.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
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Cute video. I love top gear/5th gear.....
BUT as I said, it's on a track specifically designed to accentuate the strengths of the Evo and eliminate those of the Murcielago. Notice theres no appreciable straight aways? Theres a reason for that......
And Im sorry, but the "super car" monicker is BS as theres several cars that are better performers then several "super cars". The Murcielago is one of those cars that is a cool ride, but certainly not beffitting of that name. It may be a "Super Car", but it's far from a super car.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
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ok, so who's on what side so i know who to sling poo at?
get real, yes there are some crazy small production cars that perform very well, hell you might as well say that a small motercycle can out perform _______. anyways, this thread was about what's a "ricer" and why most people dislike said "ricers". heck, take this to a real honda/nissan/toyota/subie/etc forum and ask them, they hate "ricers" more than "domestic" guys do.
but trying to make your car look/sound like it's fast, without making, or at least trying to make it faster is rice. and heck, if body kits, tv's, crome rims, etc give you a hard on, then do it. but for most car guys, we like to push the gas pedel and not only hear, but feel the car. and i get excited seeing a greasy function before form engine bay that kicks ass, and i could care less about the interior/exterior blemishes. but that's me, my dad raised me on car stories, and i've been doing my families tune-ups since i could pick up a wrench. all my cars are 10ft cars, get any closer and you'll see imperfections, but i also don't have to be scared to drive it on the highway and catch loose gravel on my hood/windshield.
that's me, you be you, and if someone calls what you like rice, then wear that title proud, or be a pussy and cry about it, i care not
jason
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
Found it.
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 11, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Found it.
Ok this server is pissing me off. Also megaupload is down for the moment. The internet is basically being homosexual.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 11, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
BUT as I said, it's on a track specifically designed to accentuate the strengths of the Evo and eliminate those of the Murcielago. Notice theres no appreciable straight aways? Theres a reason for that......
And Im sorry, but the "super car" monicker is BS as theres several cars that are better performers then several "super cars". The Murcielago is one of those cars that is a cool ride, but certainly not beffitting of that name. It may be a "Super Car", but it's far from a super car.
Post by: mrright01 on October 11, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
get real, yes there are some crazy small production cars that perform very well, hell you might as well say that a small motercycle can out perform _______. anyways, this thread was about what's a "ricer" and why most people dislike said "ricers". heck, take this to a real honda/nissan/toyota/subie/etc forum and ask them, they hate "ricers" more than "domestic" guys do.
but trying to make your car look/sound like it's fast, without making, or at least trying to make it faster is rice. and heck, if body kits, tv's, crome rims, etc give you a hard on, then do it. but for most car guys, we like to push the gas pedel and not only hear, but feel the car. and i get excited seeing a greasy function before form engine bay that kicks ass, and i could care less about the interior/exterior blemishes. but that's me, my dad raised me on car stories, and i've been doing my families tune-ups since i could pick up a wrench. all my cars are 10ft cars, get any closer and you'll see imperfections, but i also don't have to be scared to drive it on the highway and catch loose gravel on my hood/windshield.
that's me, you be you, and if someone calls what you like rice, then wear that title proud, or be a pussy and cry about it, i care not
jason
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 11, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 12 2005, 04:21 AM)
Yea, it basically is 4 rims and tires, 2 seats and an engine enclosed in a very secure frame. It would pass any crash test easily.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 12, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
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Decide that from what you read or you going to be a sheep and follow what anyone antirice says?
Or how about you go to those sites, search on them, and find these riced cars, alot of them people like. Yeah the guys on those sites are worse than people on domestic sites, when it comes to real rice, but they actually know what cars are good stock and which arent.
Why try to make it faster when its already fast enough for the street? And when I want to get excited I go have sex, not drive a car. You might get off on flooring a car but the majority of guys prefer to get off by seeing some nudey lady in their bed/kitchen/bathroom/garage.
When people realise what is rice and whats genuinly a nice looking car with some go aswell as show then yes. And in my first post here I actually said something like I might be rice, if you do then fine, it doesnt exactly bother me, and it doesnt exactly bother me if you do or dont like my car and what I have done to it (hell I didnt like it for the last 12 months hence the current stripdown and remod). Im just here to try and get people to realise what is rice and what isnt, only a couple of people have actually convinced me they know what is really rice and what isnt.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 08:01:00 AM
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Post by: RichMR2 on October 12, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 12 2005, 05:52 AM)
ok, so who's on what side so i know who to sling poo at?
Decide that from what you read or you going to be a sheep and follow what anyone antirice says?
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 12 2005, 05:52 AM)
get real, yes there are some crazy small production cars that perform very well, hell you might as well say that a small motercycle can out perform _______. anyways, this thread was about what's a "ricer" and why most people dislike said "ricers". heck, take this to a real honda/nissan/toyota/subie/etc forum and ask them, they hate "ricers" more than "domestic" guys do.
Or how about you go to those sites, search on them, and find these riced cars, alot of them people like. Yeah the guys on those sites are worse than people on domestic sites, when it comes to real rice, but they actually know what cars are good stock and which arent.
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 12 2005, 05:52 AM)
but trying to make your car look/sound like it's fast, without making, or at least trying to make it faster is rice. and heck, if body kits, tv's, crome rims, etc give you a hard on, then do it. but for most car guys, we like to push the gas pedel and not only hear, but feel the car. and i get excited seeing a greasy function before form engine bay that kicks ass, and i could care less about the interior/exterior blemishes. but that's me, my dad raised me on car stories, and i've been doing my families tune-ups since i could pick up a wrench. all my cars are 10ft cars, get any closer and you'll see imperfections, but i also don't have to be scared to drive it on the highway and catch loose gravel on my hood/windshield.
Why try to make it faster when its already fast enough for the street? And when I want to get excited I go have sex, not drive a car. You might get off on flooring a car but the majority of guys prefer to get off by seeing some nudey lady in their bed/kitchen/bathroom/garage.
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 12 2005, 05:52 AM)
that's me, you be you, and if someone calls what you like rice, then wear that title proud, or be a pussy and cry about it, i care not
When people realise what is rice and whats genuinly a nice looking car with some go aswell as show then yes. And in my first post here I actually said something like I might be rice, if you do then fine, it doesnt exactly bother me, and it doesnt exactly bother me if you do or dont like my car and what I have done to it (hell I didnt like it for the last 12 months hence the current stripdown and remod). Im just here to try and get people to realise what is rice and what isnt, only a couple of people have actually convinced me they know what is really rice and what isnt.
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 08:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 12 2005, 05:53 AM)
I cant say for 100% certain in all states. I can say for MD though you have to have a windshield period (and airbags unless you have Historic plates or an old car). Otherwise crap could fly up and hit you in the face resulting in an accident (since there is no helmet law for a car). Maryland is a pretty liberal state so i would imagine our laws are not the most strict. Look it up if you like, its a fact.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 12, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 12, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 12 2005, 04:12 PM)
Well it is classified as a special car so the laws wouldnt really apply. I think they have windshields on them now. There are two versions, maybe more, but the older ones used the integra Type R engine with a supercharger setup as a MR vehicle and they were bad ass, now they use a different engine thats even more powerefull and still an MR setup. Force to be reconed with.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
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Those 2nd gens are my fav cars, they just look sexy, especially in white.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
Those 2nd gens are my fav cars, they just look sexy, especially in white.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 12 2005, 09:22 AM)
Sorry but if you dont think the MR2 has a good engine as stock then you are sadly mistaken, it isnt a high powered performance engine but it isnt one to be sniffed at. You DONT need 500+HP to have a good engine, hell the Nissan March compound engine is 1L turbo charged super charged, isnt much above 100BHP but try beating one of those when its tuned up (Ive seen those beat skylines, rx7s etc!)
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 12, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
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http://www.shoplaser.com/ = teh rice
Rylinkus, badass examples, love it!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 12, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
Rylinkus, badass examples, love it!
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 12, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 13 2005, 01:36 AM)
http://www.shoplaser.com/ = teh rice
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: jesterrace777 on October 12, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
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Post by: jesterrace777 on October 12, 2005, 07:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 13 2005, 03:14 AM)
Ohh... ohh.... I think I just pissed my pants for laughing so hard. Those are the funniest things Ive seen since the spinner hub caps! Im assuming they will be very big around where I live... there is a plymouth acclaim drivin by a guy with a shitty job, that has 3 kids, his oldest is older than I am, and his youngest is 8 or 9, has APC vynals on his rear glass, NOS stickers on the side of the car, and Greddy sticker on his hood, spoon seat belt covers, green neons, 15 inch american racing rims, and those lights that go on your tire valve.... he will definately be buying one of these!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: RichMR2 on October 13, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
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Post by: RichMR2 on October 13, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 13 2005, 03:14 AM)
Ohh... ohh.... I think I just pissed my pants for laughing so hard. Those are the funniest things Ive seen since the spinner hub caps! Im assuming they will be very big around where I live... there is a plymouth acclaim drivin by a guy with a shitty job, that has 3 kids, his oldest is older than I am, and his youngest is 8 or 9, has APC vynals on his rear glass, NOS stickers on the side of the car, and Greddy sticker on his hood, spoon seat belt covers, green neons, 15 inch american racing rims, and those lights that go on your tire valve.... he will definately be buying one of these!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 13, 2005, 08:18:00 AM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 13, 2005, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 13 2005, 09:54 AM)
Nothing wrong with proper neons aslong as they arent green, LED "neons", dancing one etc. But Im biased due to me being one of the first over here to have neons (this was in 1999, way before fast & furious) and am gutted people now thing they are just something from that film that has ruined soooo many good modding ideas.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 12:15:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 13 2005, 09:51 AM)
I disagree about the Celica, I dont think it is as bad a car as you are making out, I have seen a fair few damn good ones running on the GTE engine (NA versions are shite though, I'll give it that) even if the setup isnt the greatest.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 13 2005, 03:14 AM)
Ohh... ohh.... I think I just pissed my pants for laughing so hard. Those are the funniest things Ive seen since the spinner hub caps! Im assuming they will be very big around where I live... there is a plymouth acclaim drivin by a guy with a shitty job, that has 3 kids, his oldest is older than I am, and his youngest is 8 or 9, has APC vynals on his rear glass, NOS stickers on the side of the car, and Greddy sticker on his hood, spoon seat belt covers, green neons, 15 inch american racing rims, and those lights that go on your tire valve.... he will definately be buying one of these!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 13, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 13, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 13 2005, 08:31 PM)
Its probably a joke car. When my friend first turned 16 and got a car it was a POS Ford Escort. So we decided to mock the 'tuner' at our high school and used spray paint to put on a racing stripe. Got a big muffler tip from walmart, some cristmas lights (instead of neons), all kinds of decals we found at walmart, etc.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 13, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
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Quite the contrary, insurance is based off the VIN number, so the company never acctually 'sees' your car, at least mine didnt. Try telling them you drive a car with a 350 Small Block LT1 (corvette motor), they dont really care if its a 4 door sedan or not, its a 'hot rod' (they are right acctually... but it sucks for insurance payments). Telling them you drive a low HP, small, import car and they love you. Again, this is with my insurance, I dont know about others.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 13, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
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I dont live in the UK nor am i an insurance agent, but i would think its cheaper to insure a powerfull stock car than it is to insure a weaker car with tons of cosmetic mods. As they type of person that puts body kits and such on their car usually dosnt drive all that safe and is more likely to make a claim to get minor body work repaired. Thats just my opinion though.
Quite the contrary, insurance is based off the VIN number, so the company never acctually 'sees' your car, at least mine didnt. Try telling them you drive a car with a 350 Small Block LT1 (corvette motor), they dont really care if its a 4 door sedan or not, its a 'hot rod' (they are right acctually... but it sucks for insurance payments). Telling them you drive a low HP, small, import car and they love you. Again, this is with my insurance, I dont know about others.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
QUOTE(thewickedjester @ Oct 14 2005, 04:54 AM)
Quite the contrary, insurance is based off the VIN number, so the company never acctually 'sees' your car, at least mine didnt. Try telling them you drive a car with a 350 Small Block LT1 (corvette motor), they dont really care if its a 4 door sedan or not, its a 'hot rod' (they are right acctually... but it sucks for insurance payments). Telling them you drive a low HP, small, import car and they love you. Again, this is with my insurance, I dont know about others.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 13, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 13, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 13 2005, 11:02 PM)
Im assuming he means getting everything hes done covered by the insurace as well. SInce he said he couldnt do mods to add power the car due to it rasing the insurance. So they only way they would know about those is if he told them so its covered, which if your spending alot on your car you would want.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 08:59:00 PM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 13, 2005, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 14 2005, 12:41 AM)
I can see making a couple funny mods to a car, but why go all out and waste money on it that will just make people think you are literally street trash?
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 13, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
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in some european countries(not sure which off hand) but you can't excede certian hp figures. not sure if it's a flat # for all cars, or if it's a % of the cars stock hp, or what, but it is true. after certian mods you have to have dot approval that your car isn't but so fast. we joked that if the dot would dyno your car for inspection then that'd be a cheap way to dyno tune, but i doubt they do. perhaps the mr2/uk guy could explain since he says that's his reason.
and if you(mr2____) could "easily afford" to do a motor swap, why not do some head work, cams, lighter internals, etc? oh yeah, the mr2 is perfect off the showroom floor :rollseyes:
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 14, 2005, 07:34:00 AM
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not necessary, and i don't care to read every post you ever made here to decide what your plans are for your car, it's hard enough sticking with this stupid thread. as i said, i'm not sure what your dot calls a "mod" and you still haven't said what their definition is. all i do know is that plenty of my forum friends in the uk are rebuilding engines for their cars, they are keeping the engine casting that came in their car, but with new internals, better cams, heads, manifolds. and they are prolly less safe drivers than you, the little road angel in the fast looking mr2.
have a nice day, and please state the basic rules of your countries dot before insulting my post.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 14, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 13, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
and if you(mr2____) could "easily afford" to do a motor swap, why not do some head work, cams, lighter internals, etc? oh yeah, the mr2 is perfect off the showroom floor :rollseyes:
Post by: mrright01 on October 14, 2005, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 14 2005, 11:40 AM)
***Generic Insult***
not necessary, and i don't care to read every post you ever made here to decide what your plans are for your car, it's hard enough sticking with this stupid thread. as i said, i'm not sure what your dot calls a "mod" and you still haven't said what their definition is. all i do know is that plenty of my forum friends in the uk are rebuilding engines for their cars, they are keeping the engine casting that came in their car, but with new internals, better cams, heads, manifolds. and they are prolly less safe drivers than you, the little road angel in the fast looking mr2.
have a nice day, and please state the basic rules of your countries dot before insulting my post.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 14, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 14 2005, 11:40 AM)
So you know all the statistics for insurance claims? It is assumed that because I like to change how my car looks that Im a bad driver and crash alot? Considering Ive only ever had 1 accident, which was non fault, I suggest you check things out before you assume shit! And claiming, my excess is stupidly high, I have to pay the first £800 towards repairs, so it wouldnt be worth claiming for minor work. Like you said, you arent an insurance agent, so stop talking shit, that isnt an opinion at all, it is guess work based on what you believe, and what you believe is complete bullshit. That doesnt make it an opinion, it makes it someone else spouting bullshit over something they quite obviously know nothing about.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 14, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 14, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Oct 14 2005, 09:58 PM)
PS- Chill out, your posts will get modded/deleted quickly if you dont ease up on the insults.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 14, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
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^ *shortened in the interest of space*
Ok, I am not a moderator of these boards, and I know its been said before, but holy cow, calm down. The guy was just thinking out loud, he wasnt badmouthing your car, you took it WAY to personally. Chill out.
I dont know where you heard this. From my insurance company, and yes I asked them of this, what I had to do to get the things I modified on the car covered in the insurance. They said I had 2 choices, I could not declare the mods and the car would only be covered as if it were a stock car. Or I could list the cost of all the mods, have a percentage of that added to the car and my insurance rate would also go up. However, I had the choice not to, it isnt illegal, and my insurance company didnt care. Why? Because if I wreck, its less money they pay to me, so I honestly dont think they care. And according to them it isnt illegal.
Where. The. Hell. Did that come from? Why are you taking this so personally? Jesus dude, chill out...
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 14, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
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As long as you have receipts to the work and parts that went into/onto the car they will cover it. Thats my experience anyway. You dont need to tell them jack till you are hit.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 15, 2005, 02:37:00 AM
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another reason to hate rice, my friends riced out(body kit/etc) 98 honda accord just got stolen from downtown, we left it at 11pm, and at 2:30am it wasn't there, now it's almost 5am and i'm freezing and just getting home. ricers suck anus for stealing cars with no real mods
yes i'm still drunk
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 15, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 14, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
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So you know all the statistics for insurance claims?
^ *shortened in the interest of space*
Ok, I am not a moderator of these boards, and I know its been said before, but holy cow, calm down. The guy was just thinking out loud, he wasnt badmouthing your car, you took it WAY to personally. Chill out.
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It's illegal not to! If you drive without declairing mods your insurance is null and void
I dont know where you heard this. From my insurance company, and yes I asked them of this, what I had to do to get the things I modified on the car covered in the insurance. They said I had 2 choices, I could not declare the mods and the car would only be covered as if it were a stock car. Or I could list the cost of all the mods, have a percentage of that added to the car and my insurance rate would also go up. However, I had the choice not to, it isnt illegal, and my insurance company didnt care. Why? Because if I wreck, its less money they pay to me, so I honestly dont think they care. And according to them it isnt illegal.
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you would also be spending some time in a hospital bed too for being such a cunt.
Where. The. Hell. Did that come from? Why are you taking this so personally? Jesus dude, chill out...
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 14, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: mrright01 on October 15, 2005, 02:37:00 AM
yes i'm still drunk
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 15, 2005, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(mrright01 @ Oct 15 2005, 10:48 AM)
another reason to hate rice, my friends riced out(body kit/etc) 98 honda accord just got stolen from downtown, we left it at 11pm, and at 2:30am it wasn't there, now it's almost 5am and i'm freezing and just getting home. ricers suck anus for stealing cars with no real mods
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 15, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
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Yeah, I know this isnt right.
Ok, last I'll speak on the topic to keep from getting repetitive, I didnt. And I wont agree with you until you show me the law that says you have to list every mod on your car. By every mod, I can assume you mean things like lift kits, bigger wheels and tires, as well as an air intake, aftermarket radio, and a radical camshaft all fitted onto a 2002 Ford Ranger which my freind rolled 3 times and totaled. The insurance company paid out the full value of the truck if it were stock after inspecting every mod that was done to it and deeming that they were not the cause of the truck rolling over. I'm not saying your lying, but I do think your wrong.
Where are you by the way? If your in the UK it might be different, as I'm in the US... Didnt think to ask about that...
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
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Post by: thewickedjester on October 15, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
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As long as you have receipts to the work and parts that went into/onto the car they will cover it. Thats my experience anyway. You dont need to tell them jack till you are hit.
Yeah, I know this isnt right.
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If you dont declair mods your insurance is null and void
Ok, last I'll speak on the topic to keep from getting repetitive, I didnt. And I wont agree with you until you show me the law that says you have to list every mod on your car. By every mod, I can assume you mean things like lift kits, bigger wheels and tires, as well as an air intake, aftermarket radio, and a radical camshaft all fitted onto a 2002 Ford Ranger which my freind rolled 3 times and totaled. The insurance company paid out the full value of the truck if it were stock after inspecting every mod that was done to it and deeming that they were not the cause of the truck rolling over. I'm not saying your lying, but I do think your wrong.
Where are you by the way? If your in the UK it might be different, as I'm in the US... Didnt think to ask about that...
Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 16 2005, 03:28 AM)
And, Im only giving back what Im getting in here, if you cant take it back then dont start insulting me or what I like in cars!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 16, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
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Thats exactly what im saying. The type of car or 'group' effects you rates. If you 'rice out' you car it will be looked at as more of a high risk car than a stock one. You even said you insurance is high due to your mods.
As for declaring mods, everyone else is talking about here in the USA.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 16, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
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Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on October 16, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
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So you didnt say I was a bad driver? Because thats how it read to me. You assume alot and know pretty much nothing! I know alot of people who work in insurance, I know how they calculate the premiums. Age affects the excess, young drivers usually have higher excess. My excess is stupidly high due to the mods on the car, my premium isnt too bad because they arent performance enhancing mods. I dont plan on having to claim so that suits me fine. Location affects the premium and excess, bad areas usually have higher premiums for obvious reasons. And what you drive affects the premium, a high risk car, anything group 15 or above, will be very high on the premium whatever age/location. 20 different groups, higher the group the higher the insurance premium. Most insurers will also require thatchman approved security devices fitted to high risk vehicles, it was a condition of my insurace that I have one fitted. Weather this is the same in other countries I dont know and dont care, but thats how it is in the UK
And, Im only giving back what Im getting in here, if you cant take it back then dont start insulting me or what I like in cars!
And, Im only giving back what Im getting in here, if you cant take it back then dont start insulting me or what I like in cars!
Thats exactly what im saying. The type of car or 'group' effects you rates. If you 'rice out' you car it will be looked at as more of a high risk car than a stock one. You even said you insurance is high due to your mods.
As for declaring mods, everyone else is talking about here in the USA.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 16, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 16 2005, 06:48 PM)
As I have said in almost every one of my recent post, Im talking UK insurance!! If people are arguing with me over that, and dont realise Im talking UK then they obviously arent reading all of what Im saying, in which case, read all of what Im saying before picking out points out of context!
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: mrright01 on October 16, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
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ok, i searched for over an hour on the internet for uk/british, dot/insurance, modifications, etc and found nothing. i don't even know what you call the uk dot(dept of transportation). then i will read the laws, and post them here since you refuse to help us out on understanding your laws. but from what i did find, is that body modifications are equal to engine modifications because a car with body mods is just as likely in insurance eyes to have a reckless owner, and be stolen. and to do an engine swap you must fit the car with all the brakes/suspension/etc of the car you took the engine out of.
jason
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 16, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
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It sucks for you guys. All I have to do is call my insurance company and tell them the vin number and its added to my3 month bill. The car could be a sunfire (thats just what I ahve atm) or better yet, like my mirage. It was originally a 4g15 5 speed fwd car. I then converted it to awd, and dropped a 4g63t motor in it. It was almost complete, the awd worked but the driveshaft would vibrate so I just took it off and left it fwd until I could get it fixed. A drunk driver plowed into it, destroying the unibody and all the work I had done, the engine mounts even cracked in a few places. I called the insurance company and told them it was totaled, they didnt need someone to look at it, I just sent them a few pics, and a few receipts from the engine swap and the welding i had done and they gave me money that I spent on the car to get it to the condition it was in before asshat plowed into it.
Short version. You dont have to pay extra for mods done to your car here, and they will still cover it if you can prove that the work done to the car, with receipts and actual paper work, they will replace it. I even got to keep my 4g63t which is going into my new mirage and another awd swap... maybe... unless I can get an rx7 and the motor will only be swapped to the mirage if the current one blows.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: thewickedjester on October 16, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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I did read everything you said. And I'm sorry I missed it. Though, I have never seen anything in the UK either.
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Title: Celica/Rice/Import vs. Domestic Thread
Post by: Rylinkus on October 16, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
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Post by: mrright01 on October 16, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 16 2005, 06:48 PM)
As I have said in almost every one of my recent post, Im talking UK insurance!! If people are arguing with me over that, and dont realise Im talking UK
ok, i searched for over an hour on the internet for uk/british, dot/insurance, modifications, etc and found nothing. i don't even know what you call the uk dot(dept of transportation). then i will read the laws, and post them here since you refuse to help us out on understanding your laws. but from what i did find, is that body modifications are equal to engine modifications because a car with body mods is just as likely in insurance eyes to have a reckless owner, and be stolen. and to do an engine swap you must fit the car with all the brakes/suspension/etc of the car you took the engine out of.
jason
Post by: Psykomantis00 on October 16, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Short version. You dont have to pay extra for mods done to your car here, and they will still cover it if you can prove that the work done to the car, with receipts and actual paper work, they will replace it. I even got to keep my 4g63t which is going into my new mirage and another awd swap... maybe... unless I can get an rx7 and the motor will only be swapped to the mirage if the current one blows.
Post by: thewickedjester on October 16, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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As I have said in almost every one of my recent post, Im talking UK insurance!! If people are arguing with me over that, and dont realise Im talking UK then they obviously arent reading all of what Im saying, in which case, read all of what Im saying before picking out points out of context!
I did read everything you said. And I'm sorry I missed it. Though, I have never seen anything in the UK either.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 16, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Oct 17 2005, 02:30 AM)