Post by: sk8phreak88 on September 06, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Well I've been lookin around for a project car for a while now, not much cash just looking for one to get and work for my sr year of school *next year*
I was hoping for a American build muscle car. Haven't been able to find anything that I really liked..
Sittin at my pc today and my dad calls me and says "94..........I'm like oook?? lol then He goes, I found you a 1994 ford probe gt. It's in MINT condition power everthing basicly just needs a motor. The factory cobalt blue is still in great condition and everyhing! 80,000 mileson it. So I'm thinking, that would be a cool starter project car, then My dad tells me the price....$500.00 FLAT It's his friends and he's gonna give my dad a deal since there good friends, its got new wheels and rims on it that were baught before the motor died 3 years ago. they were 900 bucks and are barely worn! I know its far from an american muscle car but It will be a great car to have as a first time project car!
What do you guys think about these?
Post by: Psykomantis00 on September 07, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on September 07, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
5 speed?
Post by: ubernewb on September 07, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on September 07, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Sep 7 2005, 11:08 PM)
gt should be the 5 speed v6.. same thing i have in my 94 mx-6
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Post by: Rylinkus on September 07, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
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If it's sat 3 years you need new rear calipers.
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Post by: Psykomantis00 on September 07, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on September 07, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: Psykomantis00 on September 07, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Sep 8 2005, 03:20 AM)
If it's sat 3 years you need new rear calipers.
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Post by: ubernewb on September 08, 2005, 12:08:00 AM
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Post by: ubernewb on September 08, 2005, 12:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Sep 8 2005, 01:54 AM)
I missed the GT part. The 2.5L V6 is in the Probe GT and MX6 LS. BOTH are available in 5 speed and ATX form. The ATX is notoriusly weak. A tranny cooler is a MUST have. The Probes 5 speed is also geared higher then the MX6. Or is it vice versa? Cant remember anymore.
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Post by: Rylinkus on September 08, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
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Post by: Rylinkus on September 08, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
QUOTE(ubernewb @ Sep 8 2005, 08:19 AM)
i'm not too into this car, i just bought it from a friend to have something to kick around in while working on my crx..
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 20, 2005, 12:41:00 PM
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i hear that they can drown easy because they dont have a shell in the bottom..
but you cant beat 500$ that is a good buy.....jump on it...they can fly if you know what you are doing...my friend had one and he would red line the crap out of it..good find
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Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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Hey guys, last night I went down and picked her up. It's really nice!
Here are some pics. I've got the battery charging to see if it will hold enough to see if the motor even turns over.
I think its DAMN WELL worth cuttin a friends grass 10 times lol!
Now to read up on it and find out what kind of motor i can get for cheap for it!
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Post by: mrright01 on October 12, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
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congrats man, good luck on finding an engine
aprox how much does a probe weigh?
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
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Stock engine is the KLDE/KL03 depends on whose referring to it. The only real upgrade is the KLZE. Where you located? I have one.
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Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
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I am located in Coon Rapids MN. You?
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
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Post by: hugoboss1 on September 20, 2005, 12:41:00 PM
but you cant beat 500$ that is a good buy.....jump on it...they can fly if you know what you are doing...my friend had one and he would red line the crap out of it..good find
Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
Here are some pics. I've got the battery charging to see if it will hold enough to see if the motor even turns over.
I think its DAMN WELL worth cuttin a friends grass 10 times lol!
Now to read up on it and find out what kind of motor i can get for cheap for it!
Post by: mrright01 on October 12, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
aprox how much does a probe weigh?
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on October 12, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(sk8phreak88 @ Oct 13 2005, 03:28 AM)
I am located in Coon Rapids MN. You?
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Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
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Damn, that really sucks lol. How much do those motors go for? Stock and that aftermarket one? Roughly average to lower prices?
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Post by: lostboyz on October 13, 2005, 12:42:00 AM
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no offense or anything but the probe was a mistake. first hearing of it, its called a probe and its market originally was women. though the condition its in and price id say nice grab, but i wouldnt dump a life savings in it. enjoy it for what it is, and put your eye on something you want rather than something you get. ive learned that over 3-4 cars
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
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OK, I guess that some of you may have expected me to post something like this sooner. Well I suppose it's due, so here we go.
First off, There's nothing wrong with a Probe GT. It's a pretty solid little car. Fairly quick and a decent handler. It competes very favorably with other FWD sports coupes of it's time.
Okay, youve got a Probe, what to do now....
Engine.
Your 2 options depend on money and what you want the car to be. A KL03 or KLDE (Depends on whose talking) is the stock 2.5L V6 that's in a Probe GT. It's roughly 160-165hp and 160-165 ft/lbs of tq (It varies slightly year to year thus explaining the ranges I gave. ) It's a decent engine, reliable, average gas mile. Certainly a decent choice. You should be able to find on in a junkyard for roughly 400-700 bucks depending on the junkyard.
The KLZE is the same block but all else is different. It's the JSpec version of the KL03 (I prefer this name). It came in the JSpec Mazda MX6 and within 60Kish generally could not pass emissions in Japan, so theres plenty of low mileage ones available for import. It's a 197hp, 170ish ft/lb engine. It's gains come from higher compression pistons (flat topped vs. dished), better flowing heads, better flowing intake manifold, and a more aggresive cam. It's got a smoother tq curve, pulls into high rpms better and is a MUCH better engine in responding to breathing mods. If you get it getting the ECU to go with it is almost a must. The kl36 ecu helps the fuel mapping and corrects the open/close points on the VRIS (Variable Resonance Induction System) of the Intake manifold. To use the KL36 you need the Jspec MAF as the Aspec VAF that comes in the car yields a different signal. You can use the JE50 from the MX3s. Easy fix. Also a cold air intake is a necessity as the IM is shaped a it different and makes the use of the stock air box impossible. None of this should dissuade you if you have the extra money. Even if you just got the engine now and used the aspec ECU and VAF and got the other stuff later it's a hell of an upgrade and as straight forward a swap as there is. It's as close to identical as you can get without being an identical engine.
The KLZE can be purchased for 1000 to 1500 bucks to you door/local garage. Be careful of where you purchase a ZE from. Several Ebay shops sell them the Jspec 2.0L MX3 engine as the 2.5L KLZE and some sell KL03s with ZE IMs as full blown ZEs. If you do go this route heck these numbers when you get the engine....
1) IM: Make sure its not the EUNOS 800, I hear it has a problem fitting. The ZE IM has a longer neck to the TB, just look at the 03 IM and the ZE IM and you will see the difference. ( i can hook you up with pics if you need)
2) TB: Should read KL31
3) HEADS: One should read KL31-101 and the other KL31-1A1
4) CAMS: Should read KL-31
5) PISTONS: Pull a spark plug and shine a light down in there to see the top of the piston. Make sure they are flat.
In either case with an engine out I'd highly recommend doing the following as theyre FAR harder to do once the engine is in
1.) Replace the waterpump
2.) Replace oil pump
3.) Replace Timing belt
While your at it other mods that are far easier to do with the engine out are
1.) Headers. Hotshot gen 4 are VERY nice.
2.) Clutch plenty of choices. I've had decent luck with a Spec Stage 3 (fairly cheap compared to ACT or clutchmaster
3.) Lighter Flywheel. Fidenza makes a nice one or a cheaper option would be the flywheel from an MX3 GS (The 2.0L V6 one (Smallest displacement V6 in the states))
4.) Motor mounts. At least check them. If they need to be replaced do them now. R & R racing makes some very nice poly inserts and rafi has plenty of deals there.
Other mods to consider
1. Turbo
There are some more turbo kits out now. The KL03 can run 5-8 lbs of boost on stock internals. The ZE maybe 3. If you want boost go KL03. BUT every kit Ive seen is maybe 85% of what Id consider a complete kit. Some of the newer ones may be better
2. CAI:
PRM or Hotshot are the best. Save that buy a cheap Prelude one off ebay and mod it (35 buck range) or make one from PVC pipe @ home depot and stick a decent filter on it. DO NOT USE A FOAM FILTER EVER
3. Headers:
Hotshot gen 4 are the best. Pacesetters offer decent gains but rust easier. Bosal has some super expensive ceramic ones. I'd go hotshot. Check ebay.
4. Exhaust:
Greddy and Borla have very nice catback setups. A few other companies have some as well tho I cant guess on quality. Saving that a decent custom mandrel bent exhaust works just as well.
5. Testpipe
By far the most cost effective mod I did. Jeff Jeske makes VERY high quality ones. Mines 2 flanges welded to a pipe by a friend. Made my exhaust sound a bit raspy. The gains are well worth it. JJ resonated ones fix the rasp but your hp gains arent quite as hgh.
6: Under drive pulley:
Very basic mod. May make an extra hp or 2. R & R sells em.
I could go on and on honestly. I just sold my first Probe today and Im feeling nostalgic. But I wont. Hit me up and I can hook you up with links, threads, info, etc. I actually have a bunch of random parts that may be of use to you as well. And a few repair manuals.
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Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
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Post by: sk8phreak88 on October 12, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: lostboyz on October 13, 2005, 12:42:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
First off, There's nothing wrong with a Probe GT. It's a pretty solid little car. Fairly quick and a decent handler. It competes very favorably with other FWD sports coupes of it's time.
Okay, youve got a Probe, what to do now....
Engine.
Your 2 options depend on money and what you want the car to be. A KL03 or KLDE (Depends on whose talking) is the stock 2.5L V6 that's in a Probe GT. It's roughly 160-165hp and 160-165 ft/lbs of tq (It varies slightly year to year thus explaining the ranges I gave. ) It's a decent engine, reliable, average gas mile. Certainly a decent choice. You should be able to find on in a junkyard for roughly 400-700 bucks depending on the junkyard.
The KLZE is the same block but all else is different. It's the JSpec version of the KL03 (I prefer this name). It came in the JSpec Mazda MX6 and within 60Kish generally could not pass emissions in Japan, so theres plenty of low mileage ones available for import. It's a 197hp, 170ish ft/lb engine. It's gains come from higher compression pistons (flat topped vs. dished), better flowing heads, better flowing intake manifold, and a more aggresive cam. It's got a smoother tq curve, pulls into high rpms better and is a MUCH better engine in responding to breathing mods. If you get it getting the ECU to go with it is almost a must. The kl36 ecu helps the fuel mapping and corrects the open/close points on the VRIS (Variable Resonance Induction System) of the Intake manifold. To use the KL36 you need the Jspec MAF as the Aspec VAF that comes in the car yields a different signal. You can use the JE50 from the MX3s. Easy fix. Also a cold air intake is a necessity as the IM is shaped a it different and makes the use of the stock air box impossible. None of this should dissuade you if you have the extra money. Even if you just got the engine now and used the aspec ECU and VAF and got the other stuff later it's a hell of an upgrade and as straight forward a swap as there is. It's as close to identical as you can get without being an identical engine.
The KLZE can be purchased for 1000 to 1500 bucks to you door/local garage. Be careful of where you purchase a ZE from. Several Ebay shops sell them the Jspec 2.0L MX3 engine as the 2.5L KLZE and some sell KL03s with ZE IMs as full blown ZEs. If you do go this route heck these numbers when you get the engine....
1) IM: Make sure its not the EUNOS 800, I hear it has a problem fitting. The ZE IM has a longer neck to the TB, just look at the 03 IM and the ZE IM and you will see the difference. ( i can hook you up with pics if you need)
2) TB: Should read KL31
3) HEADS: One should read KL31-101 and the other KL31-1A1
4) CAMS: Should read KL-31
5) PISTONS: Pull a spark plug and shine a light down in there to see the top of the piston. Make sure they are flat.
In either case with an engine out I'd highly recommend doing the following as theyre FAR harder to do once the engine is in
1.) Replace the waterpump
2.) Replace oil pump
3.) Replace Timing belt
While your at it other mods that are far easier to do with the engine out are
1.) Headers. Hotshot gen 4 are VERY nice.
2.) Clutch plenty of choices. I've had decent luck with a Spec Stage 3 (fairly cheap compared to ACT or clutchmaster
3.) Lighter Flywheel. Fidenza makes a nice one or a cheaper option would be the flywheel from an MX3 GS (The 2.0L V6 one (Smallest displacement V6 in the states))
4.) Motor mounts. At least check them. If they need to be replaced do them now. R & R racing makes some very nice poly inserts and rafi has plenty of deals there.
Other mods to consider
1. Turbo
There are some more turbo kits out now. The KL03 can run 5-8 lbs of boost on stock internals. The ZE maybe 3. If you want boost go KL03. BUT every kit Ive seen is maybe 85% of what Id consider a complete kit. Some of the newer ones may be better
2. CAI:
PRM or Hotshot are the best. Save that buy a cheap Prelude one off ebay and mod it (35 buck range) or make one from PVC pipe @ home depot and stick a decent filter on it. DO NOT USE A FOAM FILTER EVER
3. Headers:
Hotshot gen 4 are the best. Pacesetters offer decent gains but rust easier. Bosal has some super expensive ceramic ones. I'd go hotshot. Check ebay.
4. Exhaust:
Greddy and Borla have very nice catback setups. A few other companies have some as well tho I cant guess on quality. Saving that a decent custom mandrel bent exhaust works just as well.
5. Testpipe
By far the most cost effective mod I did. Jeff Jeske makes VERY high quality ones. Mines 2 flanges welded to a pipe by a friend. Made my exhaust sound a bit raspy. The gains are well worth it. JJ resonated ones fix the rasp but your hp gains arent quite as hgh.
6: Under drive pulley:
Very basic mod. May make an extra hp or 2. R & R sells em.
I could go on and on honestly. I just sold my first Probe today and Im feeling nostalgic. But I wont. Hit me up and I can hook you up with links, threads, info, etc. I actually have a bunch of random parts that may be of use to you as well. And a few repair manuals.
Post by: Rylinkus on October 15, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Oct 13 2005, 08:53 AM)
no offense or anything but the probe was a mistake. first hearing of it, its called a probe and its market originally was women. though the condition its in and price id say nice grab, but i wouldnt dump a life savings in it. enjoy it for what it is, and put your eye on something you want rather than something you get. ive learned that over 3-4 cars