Post by: unrealskill on December 19, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: nemt on December 19, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: unrealskill on December 19, 2004, 05:10:00 PM
and get out of your house and get some sun lite.
Post by: nemt on December 19, 2004, 08:39:00 PM
The Z06 is much more powerful, the body is more unique and eye catching, and people liked corvettes before they saw Fast and Furious and assumed it meant they knew something about cars.
Post by: krustytheclown on December 20, 2004, 08:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (unrealskill @ Dec 19 2004, 05:12 PM) |
| i wud pikc a skyline r34 my self it wud onw a z06 |
He types like how Elmer Fudd talks. Wasculy Wabbit.
Post by: mike96sc2 on December 20, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
learn how to spell too, by 5th grade you should know how
finally this is a lame ass thread
Post by: Rylinkus on December 21, 2004, 02:45:00 PM
Skyline R34 GTR
General
Base Price 89,500
Powertrain Layout Front Engine / AWD
Body Material Not Available
Brake Type Brembro Vented Discs
Brake Size F: Not Available
R: Not Available
Curb Weight 3,395 lb. / 1,540 kg
Front / Rear Tires 245/40ZR-18 / 245/40ZR-18
Steering Not Available
Front Wheels
Diameter x Width Not Available
Rear Wheels
Diameter x Width Not Available
Engine
Configuration Twin Turbocharged Inline-6
Valvetrain DOHC 4 / cylinder
Power 276.0 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque 293.0 ft lbs @ 4400 rpm
Redline Not Available
Displacement 2,568 cc / 156.7 cu in.
Bore 3.4 in. / 87.5 mm
Stroke 2.9 in. / 74.6 mm
BHP / Liter 107.48 bhp
Compression Ratio 8.5:1
Transmission
Type 6-speed Manual
1st Gear Ratio 3.83:1
2nd Gear Ratio 2.36:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.69:1
Final Drive 3.27:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.31:1
5th Gear Ratio 1.00:16th Gear Ratio 0.79:1
Performance
Top Speed 155.0 mph / 249.4 kph
Lateral Acceleration Not Available
EPA City / Highway 22.8 mpg Averaged
0 - 60 mph 5.2 seconds
0 - 100 mph 13.0 seconds
0 - ¼ Mile 13.7 seconds
Dimensions
Wheelbase 104.9 in. / 2,665 mm
Front Track 58.3 in. / 1,480 mm
Rear Track 58.7 in. / 1,490 mm
Length 181.1 in. / 4,600 mm
Width 70.3 in. / 1,785 mm
Height 53.5 in. / 1,360 mm
'02 Vette Z06
General
Base Price 51,075
Powertrain Layout Front Engine / RWD
Body Material Not Available
Brake Type Power Assisted ABS Vented Discs
Brake Size: F: 12.6 in. / 320 mm
R: 12.6 in. / 320 mm
Curb Weight 3,117 lb. / 1,414 kg
Front / Rear Tires P265/40ZR-17 / P295/35ZR-18
Steering Power Assisted Speed Sensitive Rack & Pinion
Front Wheels
Diameter x Width 17 x 9.5 in. / 43.2 x 24.1 cm
Rear Wheels
Diameter x Width 18 x 10.5 in. / 45.7 x 26.7 cm
Engine
Configuration LS6 V-8
Valvetrain 2 / cylinder
Power 405.0 bhp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque 400.0 ft-lb. @ 4,800 rpm
Redline 6,500 rpm
Displacement 5,665 cc / 345.7 cu in.
Bore 3.9 in. / 99 mm
Stroke 3.62 in. / 92 mm
BHP / Liter 71.49 bhp
Compression Ratio 10.5:1
Transmission
Type 6-speed Manual
1st Gear Ratio 2.97:1
2nd Gear Ratio 2.07:1
3rd Gear Ratio 1.43:1
Final Drive 3.42:1
4th Gear Ratio 1.00:1
5th Gear Ratio 0.84:1
6th Gear Ratio 0.56:1
Performance
Top Speed 171.0 mph / 275.2 kph
Lateral Acceleration 1.00g
EPA City / Highway 19 / 28 mpg
0 - 60 mph 3.9 seconds
0 - 100 mph Not Available
0 - ¼ Mile 12.4 seconds @ 116 mph
Dimensions
Wheelbase 104.5 in. / 2,654 mm
Front Track 62.4 in. / 1,584 mm
Rear Track 62.6 in. / 1,589 mm
Length 179.7 in. / 4,564 mm
Width 73.6 in. / 1,869 mm
Height 47.7 in. / 1,211.5 mm
Corvette is both cheaper and faster. Case closed.
The sig is too big. Read the rules. Unacceptable posts yet again.......
Left everything that had any info at all..... and krustys post since I got a chickle out of it.
Post by: nemt on December 21, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
Nice..my posts stayed.Post by: Rylinkus on December 21, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(nemt @ Dec 21 2004, 11:55 PM)
Nice..my posts stayed.Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 21, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
Plus dont skylines suck in crashes? One of the main reasons they cant be sold in the US?
Post by: l2andom on December 21, 2004, 09:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Dec 21 2004, 08:55 PM)
Z06, its way better.
Plus dont skylines suck in crashes? One of the main reasons they cant be sold in the US?
Plus dont skylines suck in crashes? One of the main reasons they cant be sold in the US?
They are sold in the US.
Just through motorex.
z06 wins this one.
But I myself really like the skyline, ( before all that fat n curious stuff came out) I'd take an R32 anyday over a z06. :)
This post has been edited by l2andom: Dec 22 2004, 05:34 AM
Post by: nemt on December 21, 2004, 10:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Dec 21 2004, 09:55 PM)
Plus dont skylines suck in crashes? One of the main reasons they cant be sold in the US?
Infiniti G35 (US) = Nissan Skyline (Japan)
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 22, 2004, 12:07:00 AM
QUOTE(nemt @ Dec 22 2004, 07:07 AM)
Infiniti G35 (US) = Nissan Skyline (Japan)
Yeah but they have completly different bodys (atleast the past skylines). Which i imagine is one of the biggest problems with it in crashes.
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They are sold in the US.
Just through motorex.
Just through motorex.
Yes but i meant sold for use on public roads (which i dont think you can drive skyline without heavy modification).
Post by: nemt on December 22, 2004, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Hercules Q Einstein @ Dec 22 2004, 02:39 AM)
Yeah but they have completly different bodys (atleast the past skylines).
The current Skylines in Japan have the same body as the G35...they even make a Skyline Sedan now.
Post by: augusta on December 22, 2004, 09:51:00 PM
oh, and awd doesnt mean its gonna be faser than rwd, whoever told you that?
haha talking about z06's though.... a buddy of mine is crazy... he had an 01 i think silver z06 that he sold, and got an 02 supercharged convertible saleen mustang, but sold that a couple months later and bought another z06 with a doug rippie head/cam package, that says 525 hp on the side of it.... man we put that thing on a dyno and it only put down like 375, he was piiiiiiised. lol so now he's selling that one and getting another and supercharging it. rich bastid. lol
This post has been edited by augusta: Dec 23 2004, 05:54 AM
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 22, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
QUOTE(augusta @ Dec 23 2004, 06:23 AM)
that says 525 hp on the side of it.... man we put that thing on a dyno and it only put down like 375,
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Baner on December 23, 2004, 06:39:00 AM
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Stupid retard's more like it.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: topgun1 on December 23, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
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I would go with a skyline r-34 anyday with its twin turbocharged inline 6 motor. Plus AWD for good take offs and handling. And you can have them in the us for under 89,000 and have them street legal. And if you have the money you can get 1,000hp out of them wich the zo6 can only dream about.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: topgun1 on December 23, 2004, 09:19:00 AM
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no i saw this company that you give them the money to buy the car they get it within a few weeks from coustoms then they make the emmions legal and beef up the frame alittle to meet us standerds and ship it to your door with all of the paper work that says it is now legal to drive in the us and they do all that for like 9,000.
ps.when i find that site i will post a link
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: nemt on December 23, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
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I wrote 525HP on my friend's corolla once. He was really excited until I told him the car didn't really have that much.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on December 23, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
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Post by: Baner on December 23, 2004, 06:39:00 AM
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rich bastid
Stupid retard's more like it.
Post by: topgun1 on December 23, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: topgun1 on December 23, 2004, 09:19:00 AM
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Yes but i meant sold for use on public roads (which i dont think you can drive skyline without heavy modification).
no i saw this company that you give them the money to buy the car they get it within a few weeks from coustoms then they make the emmions legal and beef up the frame alittle to meet us standerds and ship it to your door with all of the paper work that says it is now legal to drive in the us and they do all that for like 9,000.
ps.when i find that site i will post a link
Post by: nemt on December 23, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on December 23, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(topgun1 @ Dec 23 2004, 06:12 PM)
I would go with a skyline r-34 anyday with its twin turbocharged inline 6 motor. Plus AWD for good take offs and handling. And you can have them in the us for under 89,000 and have them street legal. And if you have the money you can get 1,000hp out of them wich the zo6 can only dream about.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: halofreak007 on December 24, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
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Post by: halofreak007 on December 24, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(nemt @ Dec 23 2004, 12:08 PM)
I wrote 525HP on my friend's corolla once. He was really excited until I told him the car didn't really have that much.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: unrealskill on December 25, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
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s a skyline that you think its becasue thay played the games and wached the moves you know why the skyline is in thows moves and games because ITS THE FUCKING BEST car man i see like fucking 8,000,000 Z06 where i live im fucking sick of them god dam it.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 25, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
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Post by: unrealskill on December 25, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
s a skyline that you think its becasue thay played the games and wached the moves you know why the skyline is in thows moves and games because ITS THE FUCKING BEST car man i see like fucking 8,000,000 Z06 where i live im fucking sick of them god dam it.
Post by: Hercules Q Einstein on December 25, 2004, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(unrealskill @ Dec 25 2004, 08:33 PM)
well skyline is wining the poll and why is it when some one like s a skyline that you think its becasue thay played the games and wached the moves you know why the skyline is in thows moves and games because ITS THE FUCKING BEST car man i see like fucking 8,000,000 Z06 where i live im fucking sick of them god dam it.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 25, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
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I would say the skyline but I would personally take a GTR R32. The R34 looks simply amazing with a little work but the R32 would be much more affordable and still looks quite good with just a little work. Common sense tells you that an american vehicle will always give you more power for your money, however, I prefer a car that can really stick to the road/corners well. While the newer Vettes do look pretty good, I just have not really been impressed with any Vette design since the late 70's. While it is true that Vettes aren't that common, you will certainly see a hell of alot more of them on the road here in the US than a Skyline. I have to agree though, that people do give the skyline WAY too much credit and that in most cases the vehicle does not merit the pricetag. I could buy a nicely loaded Porche 911 for less than the base price of an R34 and it would outperform it in most respects.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: sp00nz on December 25, 2004, 10:30:00 PM
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The only problem I have with vettes is that they are american. I don't trust the american automobile industry. Those jappers sure can build a car. I got a 300zx 93. It's an amazing car. No way I'd take a vette or a camero over it. Skylines are great looking cars. I can't wait to import one.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on December 26, 2004, 12:56:00 AM
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s a skyline that you think its becasue thay played the games and wached the moves you know why the skyline is in thows moves and games because ITS THE FUCKING BEST car man i see like fucking 8,000,000 Z06 where i live im fucking sick of them god dam it.Post by: jesterrace777 on December 25, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: sp00nz on December 25, 2004, 10:30:00 PM
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on December 26, 2004, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(sp00nz @ Dec 26 2004, 01:01 AM)
The only problem I have with vettes is that they are american. I don't trust the american automobile industry. Those jappers sure can build a car. I got a 300zx 93. It's an amazing car. No way I'd take a vette or a camero over it. Skylines are great looking cars. I can't wait to import one.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: nemt on December 26, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
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Japanese are no good at making engines, which isn't their fault, the law limits engines to 299HP over there.
Anyway...the reason the Skyline is winning is because most people here only know what they've seen in movies and videogames, additionally, many of them don't know the performance Corvette is classified as Z06, and just vote Skyline by default. The 1990s series Skyline is a great car, if you live in Japan.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: sp00nz on December 26, 2004, 09:33:00 AM
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Post by: nemt on December 26, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
Anyway...the reason the Skyline is winning is because most people here only know what they've seen in movies and videogames, additionally, many of them don't know the performance Corvette is classified as Z06, and just vote Skyline by default. The 1990s series Skyline is a great car, if you live in Japan.
Post by: sp00nz on December 26, 2004, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(..[[ModBoxMaster]].. @ Dec 26 2004, 09:27 AM)
Shut up. American cars are built to last, not to break down in 2 years like asian cars.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on December 26, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
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Post by: ..[[ModBoxMaster]].. on December 26, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(sp00nz @ Dec 26 2004, 12:04 PM)
Made to last eh? Tell that to my mustang that's falling apart, or my explorer that's in shambles.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: nemt on December 26, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
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A lot of Dodge cars use Japanese parts...the Stealth is more or less a 3000GT.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: topgun1 on December 26, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
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i second that dodge rules!
P.S.sp00nz were did you get you sig its cool.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: drink or die on December 26, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
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Post by: nemt on December 26, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: topgun1 on December 26, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
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Well of course spoonz, fords suck major ass, im talking about dodge/Plymouth and GM cars.
i second that dodge rules!
P.S.sp00nz were did you get you sig its cool.
Post by: drink or die on December 26, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(..[[ModBoxMaster]].. @ Dec 26 2004, 09:27 AM)
Shut up. American cars are built to last, not to break down in 2 years like asian cars.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 28, 2004, 01:47:00 AM
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I concur. If we are talking strict durability here, the asian cars win. That isn't to say there aren't some well put together american vehicles but on average they don't do as well. As mentioned above, if all you are concerned about is raw hp on the dragstrip then an American vehicle is the only way to go.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: risingsun76 on May 21, 2006, 05:02:00 AM
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I'm sorry for being arrogant but I have to set everyone whos ignorant straight. First off, Japan makes better cars hands down than America which in-cludes the highly touted Skyline. Theres a reason its in video games and movies people. I don't want to go into great detail but the technology in that car and the bulletproof inline 6 engine is what makes it so special. You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine. Its computer controlled AWD torque system allows it to be thrown into corners at extreme speeds without much fanfare. It is supposed to be quite easy to drive fast and crazy because it allows for it. Its plain and simple a badass car. It wouldn't smoke a z06 stock but everyone knows japan laws in recent years kept horsepower at 276bhp. Get it out of the showroom and do a little laptop tuning and you have a supercar.
Just to throw another fact your way.
Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on May 21, 2006, 06:41:00 AM
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Ha, give me a z06, I'll tell ya how fast it gets to 100
Yeah, because it caters to the ricer crowd that so devoutly follows the NFS:Underground series and what not. Its not the 'ultimate' car, you think video game developers REALLY know cars that well? Granted, they have people telling them how the cars should act and perform but what makes you think the programmers KNOW what these cars are like?
Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA. tongue.gif
Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification
Carification time, *If you have the money* you can easily get 1khp out of that RB26 engine.
Its not like you slap on a cold air kit and you get massive HP from, oh, but that 3 foot carbon fiber wing on back 'll help
Yeah, I've beat Vettes with my Impala, which is a 4 door, bigass sedan, with the vettes predecesor (sp) of a motor (the LT1), and the common denominator is they cant drive (the drivers of the Vettes), they dont pre load the chasis, and they simply think a clutch dump will beat me, and hell, i've got a 4 speed auto
I'll give that to them, though if you properly take care of a car (American) it'll last just as long. Granted, that proper care does require a bit more work, but to me, personally, its worth it.
Alright, I could keep going, but lets get back on topic so this doesnt turn into another flame thread...
As for the original topic: I'd take the z06, its not that I dislike the Skylines, on the small list of 'imports' I wouldnt mind owning its pretty high up there. Needless to say the ammount of money I would have to spend to get it to a vette-ass-kicking-stage would make me feel like a jackass every time I got into the car.
And to clarify, I dont hate Japanese cars, I dont particularly like them, and will most likely never own one, but I have to give them some credit, they build decent cars and theres nothing wrong with them, just my personal taste.
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Holy shit, way to go on reviving a dead thread... GG... I was wondering why I'd not seen it before
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on May 21, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
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I'm sorry for being arrogant but I have to set everyone whos ignorant straight. First off, Japan makes better cars hands down than America which in-cludes the highly touted Skyline. Theres a reason its in video games and movies people. I don't want to go into great detail but the technology in that car and the bulletproof inline 6 engine is what makes it so special. You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine. Its computer controlled AWD torque system allows it to be thrown into corners at extreme speeds without much fanfare. It is supposed to be quite easy to drive fast and crazy because it allows for it. Its plain and simple a badass car. It wouldn't smoke a z06 stock but everyone knows japan laws in recent years kept horsepower at 276bhp. Get it out of the showroom and do a little laptop tuning and you have a supercar.
Just to throw another fact your way.
Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.
Poorl;y managed does not necessarily equate to poor cars. And for the most part I agree that GM needs some work. But I still think the Z06 is a VERY worthy car.
And since they're in video and movies they're good cars? Didn't the 2 Fast 2 Furious feature a FWD Eclipse Syder and a FWD Lancer? And can't you find those in video games? Wow, maybe the guy down the street owns a super car after all.....
Im sure this will all be taken as prattle from a GM fanboy.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 21, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
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Not necessarily. As for GM going bankrupt? Not likely. It has a gross national income that is bigger than some countries. I believe it ranked within the top 10 of world wide businesses with the most income (this was within the last year or two). Sure they could use improvements as just about any car could, but that doesn't mean that they are going bankrupt. I too would like to see some proof of that as they are such a huge multinational corporation with a vast financial wealth.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 22, 2006, 02:44:00 AM
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Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification
Pick up a news paper GM isn't fairing too well these days. While I would like to see them pull through (and I'm sure they will), it's not unfathemable that they could file for bankruptcy. They've made really shitty decisions the past 10 years with car designs and they're paying for it now. They're now taking action but it's possible that it's too late for any plans they may have in store. Just search on google or something and read all about it. It shouldn't be hard to find.
On the topic of American vs Jap in quality. Jap no question.
On the topic of Z06 vs Skyline; Z06. I haven't been a fan of the vettes at all. Anything made after the 60's is just shit. But their new design was beautifully done. The hard edges and exposed headlights really helped. They also have a fantastic choice of colors now. All the metallic colors are really nice. The Skyline isn't worth the trouble and money it takes to get it. Unless I had a rediculous amount of money to spend and an already nice collection of cars, I doubt I'd get one. But I am a fan of 'em.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on May 22, 2006, 06:19:00 AM
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Ok, what _I_ see in GM, Ford, all the American car companies is normality. Its all a part of the standard business cycle. We have reached (at least in automotive terms) the peak of the cycle and can no longer increase prices as demand for the vehicles has fallen off, therefore they are headed into the recession stage, they are laying off workers to cut costs, thereby giving them the ability to lower prices, this will hopefully pull them out of the recession/depression stage and put them back into the expansionary stage.
As for the "Well they make shitty cars" argument. Every American made car that anyone I know owns, breaks down. But is that because they are shitty? Or is it because the people who own them dont properlly maintain them? I'm going to go with the second, and heres why, I own a 96 Impala SS, its a 10 year old car, added onto that they were riddeled with problems as the cars themselves were thrown together rather quickly as it was a sort of 'specialty car' that Chevy built. I've owned the car a year and a half, and have had no problems whatsoever with it. The guy that owned it before me didnt have any major problems with it. Whats my secret for keeping my 'shitty car' running good? I change the fluids, make sure I always keep an eye on the guages so that I know whats going on, etc etc. If a vehicle is properly maintained, it'll last for a looooong time, American made or not.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: twistedsymphony on May 22, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
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THAT is what's killing GM (as well as Ford and Crystler, but not as bad)... not much to do with how well their cars are selling (Though the +$1500 isn't helping)...
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 22, 2006, 03:53:00 PM
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3. GM screwed themselves with their pension plans.
I meant to mention that one.
The thing with the hybrids, though, is that they aren't really selling to those who are trying to save gas. The extra cost it takes to get a hybrid doesn't even pay itself off for years. The people who buy hybrids are usually doing it to be eco-friendly. The new trend (or maybe more than a trend) is to be "green". Everything is green now. We've got the e-85 gas now, GM has even got the new engines to use it to take advantage of the green market. Global warming and the environment is a big thing right now. That's why Hybrids are so popular. Not so much the gas thing.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on May 22, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
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GM is in trouble for a few reasons...
(^ Shortened in the interest of space)
Yeah, I'll give ya that one. GM is in trouble I suppose.... I'm sure they will pull out of it somehow though, and if they arent first as an automaker, it doesnt neccissarily mean a downfall entirely... Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 23, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
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Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.
If ur talkin' about things like an Expedition or Yukon XL, I doubt that'll ever happen, lol. Unless Toyota decides to make an America only vehicle (since they've got a factory in the making here... on their way to be the Dell of cars).
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 23, 2006, 11:18:00 PM
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To the folks saying GM could easily be bankrupt, I wouldn't be so sure. They may be hurting but it will take alot more than that to make them actually go under. The other thing that people haven't pointed out yet is the example of the American Government bailing out Chrysler in the 1980s. The government didn't want to see one of the predominant american auto manufacturers go under so they bailed them out. If that was their response to Chrysler, can you imagine what it would be for GM. No way in hell they would let them go under.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on May 24, 2006, 06:35:00 AM
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as long as we have a commercial based gov't you will never see the dissapearance of GM. Sure they arent doing well worst of the three actually but they are just falling from a much greater marketshare than the other 2. Being in the detroit area everyone here has something to do with the automotive world and this effects all of us its kind of scary in a way.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: twistedsymphony on May 24, 2006, 07:00:00 AM
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I agree that you'll never see GM go under.. The Government will definitely bail them out, just like they did with Chrysler, and Harley.
One thing they wont be able to help however is hurting foreign auto makers... back when Harley was in trouble they imposed an import tax to put the Japanese and european bike makers on an higher price level then the american bikes.
Considering there seems to be more "Japanese" cars being manufactured in the US then "US" car these days all the Government will be able to do is pump money into GM to keep them afloat, or maybe change some laws that would allow them to cut loose the pension responsibilities they've built up.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on May 24, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
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If ur talkin' about things like an Expedition or Yukon XL, I doubt that'll ever happen, lol. Unless Toyota decides to make an America only vehicle (since they've got a factory in the making here... on their way to be the Dell of cars).
I was refering more to my 96 Impala, I could care less about SUV's, I hate driving them...
Granted, there are some 'roomy' foreign cars, and even GM doesnt make a relatively large sedan anymore... Oh well... I was just commenting.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on May 24, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
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I agree that you'll never see GM go under.. The Government will definitely bail them out, just like they did with Chrysler, and Harley.
One thing they wont be able to help however is hurting foreign auto makers... back when Harley was in trouble they imposed an import tax to put the Japanese and european bike makers on an higher price level then the american bikes.
Considering there seems to be more "Japanese" cars being manufactured in the US then "US" car these days all the Government will be able to do is pump money into GM to keep them afloat, or maybe change some laws that would allow them to cut loose the pension responsibilities they've built up.
Its the taxing they are avoiding by creating factories in this country. And though it boosts local economy with the supply of jobs a majority of the money heads overseas to the HQ in Japan (usually). US companies HQ's are obviously here and they make factories elsewhere for the cost of production so the automotive world is much more intertwined than most international markets. Its very hard to control and even harder to predict
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: brutalsun on May 26, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
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R34 is not the g35 chassis.
http://www.jbskyline.....front top.jpg
the current skyline sucks ass.
the r34 is capable of holding 1000hp to the wheels on the stock lowerend.... I'd like to see the vette do that.
I do like the Zo6 and it sounds baddass cammed and loudmouth. but AWD burnouts Pwn RWD Burnouts
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on May 26, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
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R34 is not the g35 chassis.
http://www.jbskyline.....front top.jpg
the current skyline sucks ass.
the r34 is capable of holding 1000hp to the wheels on the stock lowerend.... I'd like to see the vette do that.
I do like the Zo6 and it sounds baddass cammed and loudmouth. but AWD burnouts Pwn RWD Burnouts
Yes thank you for proving the skyline is so much better, it can do AWD burnouts and can support a 1000bhp with stock parts. those are obviously the most important things I think of when clasifying cars. Tell me again how is nissan doing in the le mans gt(2) series against that inferior Z06?
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on May 27, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
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Do you think given the price differential between the 2 you could replace the Z06 bottom end with a more robust one?
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on May 27, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
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Do you think given the price differential between the 2 you could replace the Z06 bottom end with a more robust one?
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
But the smoke might distract the other driver and cause him to crash! Of course then Speed Racer will just press one of those buttons and have a gadget to fix it!
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: brutalsun on May 30, 2006, 07:07:00 AM
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Do you think given the price differential between the 2 you could replace the Z06 bottom end with a more robust one?
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
Just saying.
http://video.google....5&q=drag racing
8.7 in the 1/4
and you guys are fucking dicks
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Post by: lostboyz on May 30, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
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thanks man
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: EverestX on May 30, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
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Z06 Hands Down.
I dont plan to get into this Rice vs. White Competition, but all I have to say is I would take a Z06 any day and every day over a Skyline. It's jsut me but I would love to have both cars but if I could only have one, the z06 would be in my driveway.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on May 30, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
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I could post videos of plenty of cars that run impressive 1/4s. The fact that one car runs fast is an indication of which ones are better stock. Or with mods. And certainly no indication of the total cost to get it there. And people are dicks? For not having the same opinion as you?
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Modderxtrordanare on May 30, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
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Pwned.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: xXxCocoFangxXx on June 02, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
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I would pick the Skyline, they are amazing!
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: leijae on June 04, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
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look the fact of the matter is that an r34 is a great car because there aren't many of them here... the z06 is fast and cheaper true. However, the Infiniti R35 Skyline GTR is gonna kick the z06's ass. 3.5VQ with twin turbo, AWD, Brembo breaks, TWIN TURBO.... did i mention a twin turbo'd 3.5v6 which is already in the g35/350z with 300hp?
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 05, 2006, 02:58:00 AM
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look the fact of the matter is that an r34 is a great car because there aren't many of them here... the z06 is fast and cheaper true. However, the Infiniti R35 Skyline GTR is gonna kick the z06's ass. 3.5VQ with twin turbo, AWD, Brembo breaks, TWIN TURBO.... did i mention a twin turbo'd 3.5v6 which is already in the g35/350z with 300hp?
Huh? I thought they were toning down the american Skyline. Either way, I don't care for the looks. Looks more like a wanabe luxury sedan then a perfect tuned sports machine. Just compare the R32, R33 and R34 GTR side by side and it makes you want to cry. I wish we weren't such a "oh that's so 5 minutes ago" society or we might see some decent designs in production for a few more years. Looks like the new one's body style is nothing more than a rip off of the 350Z body style with a few slight alterations.
http://paultan.org/a...ine-gt-r-proto/
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 05, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
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While I've got big love for the Skyline (just look at my sig) it doesn't hold a candle performance wise to the Z06...
My father owned a last gen Z06 and printed right on the side behind the front wheels was "405HP" that's right 405 horsepower...
The thing is unbelievably fast and quite nimble for an american car too. Not to mention the transmission is mounted BEHIND the driver for better weight distribution. The newer Z06s even blow away that one...
Having driven my fathers Z06 and test driven a G35 and a 350Z even if the skyline is substantially faster then the G35/Z it sill wont touch the Z06... All Wheel drive is nice but all it will do is slow it down more... more weight on the car and more weight in the drive train.
Actually I was incredibly disappointed with the G35, it just felt slow. while it's theoretical performance is better then my WRX... the WRX still felt faster and the only car I've ever driven that was faster then the Z06 was my father highly modified Supra (made about ~580hp at the wheels) Even then it was a very close call between those two.
I'd still take the Skyline over the Z06 any day... it's such a rare and cool looking car. Not to mention the fit and finish on the Z06 (as with most american, particularly GM cars) was just total JUNK. The bezel around the radio didn't fit right, gaps between body panels were large and inconsistent. Leaving the sun visor down on a hot day melted the seems. Whenever you closed the door it felt like you were going to pull off the interior door panel; not to mention it had a dozen squeaks and rattles right from the factory... it just didn't feel like a quality vehicle... most Nissans on the other hand...
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on June 05, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
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AWD isnt always a good thing and really depends on what your trying to achieve with it. I just watched an episode of top gear where they run the new 911 RWD and 911 AWD around the same autocross track and compare them, and AWD ended up being slower and bulkier through corners then the RWD
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 05, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
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That's not surprising. As Rylinkus is fond of saying AWD suffer from high drivetrain losses. It depends on what you are planning on using the car for, if you are looking for a quarter mile or a paved race track car, then the AWD IS NOT your best option. However, if you are looking for a "stop light to stop light" racer or a rally vehicle then AWD is the way to go.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: speed_racer88 on June 05, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
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OR you can buy a RWD skyline, all the great looks in a faster bundle. My friend had a RWD skyline and it was very fast, until it got wrapped around a pole.... But even after the left side was crushed in so far that it was half a foot away from the drivers head my friend still drove the car in to the trailer and into his garage.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: thewickedjester on June 05, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
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I have to say, I saw some pictures of the car and some specs somewhere on TV and it looked COOL. I'd still go with the Z06, but I have to give credit where credits due, the new Skyline is pretty damn cool looking, prospectively of course.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 06, 2006, 01:04:00 AM
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OR you can buy a RWD skyline, all the great looks in a faster bundle. My friend had a RWD skyline and it was very fast, until it got wrapped around a pole.... But even after the left side was crushed in so far that it was half a foot away from the drivers head my friend still drove the car in to the trailer and into his garage.
Yes, but as pointed out above it depends what you plan on using it for.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on June 06, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
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Well I disagree. You're not going to use a skyline to rally. They're real heavy for a rally car.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 06, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
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Well I disagree. You're not going to use a skyline to rally. They're real heavy for a rally car.
You also missed the part about light to light racing.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: SniperKilla on June 09, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
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z06 no question.. anyone voting for a skyline just knows what they saw on the fast and the curious...
skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: SniperKilla on June 09, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
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forgot to post that the 2006 z06 was also the fastest production car ever to lap nurburgring, behind ONLY the $400,000 porsche carrera gt
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on June 09, 2006, 11:05:00 AM
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forgot to post that the 2006 z06 was also the fastest production car ever to lap nurburgring, behind ONLY the $400,000 porsche carrera gt
Just drove by one on the freeway 15min ago. Prolly the only Porche I would LOVE to own. A piece of art.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on June 09, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
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z06 no question.. anyone voting for a skyline just knows what they saw on the fast and the curious...
skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp
Obviously you're not playing enough Need For Speed: Underground.....
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: CKwik240 on June 14, 2006, 12:25:00 AM
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While the specs of the upcoming GTR have not been made official, from what we know f it, the Z06 has some advantages. Not to put the GTR off, but the GTR will be a relatively heavy car and will probably have less power than the Z06. That's not to say the GTR won't be competetive or perhaps even be able to best the Z06 on the 'Ring'. Consider the GT-R at one time set a record at the 'Ring'. It's a benchmark that is bested over and over again. I speculate Nissan is aiming at that spot even if for only a short time. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system will probably have plenty to do with it. I'd imagine a Z06 would have to be a bit finicky in exiting turns. The AWD in the GTR will probably be rear biased like always and allow quite a bit of torque transfer to seek out any available traction on exit. Unless accelleration is severely biased to one car, in a course with a lot of high speed straights, exit speeds are going to be key. If the GTR is going to be able to break any records, this is going to be key. And before anyone starts saying AWD is heavier, blah blah, consider that in a recent article that tested current AWD sport sedans, they put a RWD #5 against an AWD one. While the G35X AWD system is not tuned with a big emphasis on performance, and is a couple of hundred pounds heavier, it beat the RWD version around a course in the dry and wet. I'm not saying the GTR will win as my initial impressions based on speculation around the GTR's specs would lead me to believe the GTR would have an uphill battle, but I certainly won't pass it off at this point. Especially with rumors that Lotus is tuning the suspension and Cosworth is tuning the motor. Either way, this just goes to show when businesses compete, consumers win.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on June 14, 2006, 08:59:00 AM
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While the specs of the upcoming GTR have not been made official, from what we know f it, the Z06 has some advantages. Not to put the GTR off, but the GTR will be a relatively heavy car and will probably have less power than the Z06. That's not to say the GTR won't be competetive or perhaps even be able to best the Z06 on the 'Ring'. Consider the GT-R at one time set a record at the 'Ring'. It's a benchmark that is bested over and over again. I speculate Nissan is aiming at that spot even if for only a short time. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system will probably have plenty to do with it. I'd imagine a Z06 would have to be a bit finicky in exiting turns. The AWD in the GTR will probably be rear biased like always and allow quite a bit of torque transfer to seek out any available traction on exit. Unless accelleration is severely biased to one car, in a course with a lot of high speed straights, exit speeds are going to be key. If the GTR is going to be able to break any records, this is going to be key. And before anyone starts saying AWD is heavier, blah blah, consider that in a recent article that tested current AWD sport sedans, they put a RWD #5 against an AWD one. While the G35X AWD system is not tuned with a big emphasis on performance, and is a couple of hundred pounds heavier, it beat the RWD version around a course in the dry and wet. I'm not saying the GTR will win as my initial impressions based on speculation around the GTR's specs would lead me to believe the GTR would have an uphill battle, but I certainly won't pass it off at this point. Especially with rumors that Lotus is tuning the suspension and Cosworth is tuning the motor. Either way, this just goes to show when businesses compete, consumers win.
A very good post. Why don't we get more of these. My only skepticism would be comparing the perfomance of a RWD SUV vs and AWD SUV. While neither is exaclty tuned for performance, a poorly setup RWD car is going to have a far greater issue finding traction than it's AWD counterpart. Perhaps best illustrated by the pletora of RWD vehicles on the market that are in no way decent handling. (Vans/SUVs/Trucks) I'm not saying that RWD is always better, but I think to compare 2 SUVs, neither built for performance and use that as any sort of basis for comparing sports cars is disengenous. I don't mean to be attacking the AWD platform as surely I plan to move to an AWD platform when I decide to retire the Camaro.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: juanman on June 19, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
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wow does it have to be against a vette? where the hell is a viper...
i want a viper!
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on June 19, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
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viper's got nothing. It is a popsicle stick strapped to a rocket engine. It isnt even a competitor with anything with a turn.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Owtlaw333 on June 20, 2006, 01:21:00 AM
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viper's got nothing. It is a popsicle stick strapped to a rocket engine. It isnt even a competitor with anything with a turn.
When placed up against the Vette and Ford GT, Viper, I believe, was placed last. But while it may not be the best performer, I think I would still take the Viper just because it's been the car I've always wanted since I was a little kid. (I remember seeing it in Vegas for the first time in a casino in the middle of the slots. One of the ones that you can win the displayed car) It's a thing of beauty. I'm glad they changed the body style back with it's original curves. But if there was one car in the world I could have, it would be either a Vanquish or DB9. No car can beat the style of an Aston Martin.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: juanman on June 20, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
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it is a thing of beauty all right, just google some pics of the hennessey viper with a aero kit installed.
i want one, looks like ill have to get a good job so i can buy one and smoke all the vettes
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: CJLee89 on July 20, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
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i didnt even know this forum was here..lol sry for the bumps.
i def go with the skyline. even thought they r illegal until 2007. u can get them in the US but they have to go through some modifications before u get it. like, knocking the horsepower down a ALOT, and putting the steering wheel on the left side of the car. a japanese version = 1200 HP, once made legal for US = around 200 HP.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 20, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
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I dunno where you are getting your "facts" from man but you are WAY off on the skyline. The vast majority of Skylines that are street legal in the US are still right hand drive. Also they really don't reduce the HP. It is true that you probably won't see the 1000+HP monsters in the US like you will elsewhere since it is really hard to keep something in that range street legal, but they certainly aren't taking them from 1200HP down to 200HP like you are claiming. The stock R32 GTR (prior to import) is just over 300HP and that is the skyline with the most HP in terms of what comes from the factory. Any Skyline in the 1000+ HP range has had shitloads of money and mods dumped into it, regaurdless of which country it is located in. You are correct that the car does have to undergo a number of mods to make them street legal in the US but that has to do more with safety standards, air emissions, ect.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: lostboyz on July 21, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
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...a japanese version = 1200 HP, once made legal for US = around 200 HP.
I just lol'ed. Then why on earth would anyone import it, and why is nissan not making airplane engines if they hit out a 1200hp motor from factory for that kinda price. damn
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 21, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
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You thought that amuzing as well, eh? I also thought it was funny that he had them all having to be converted to left hand drive vehicles.
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: Rylinkus on August 01, 2006, 09:43:00 AM
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The only version of the Skyline that can be made legal here is the R33. The R32 and R34 were fraudulently passed off as an R33 by Motorex. Do some searching and you'll find the owner is facing charges. Acutally I think the charges may be for making threats but they did revoke street legality for all non R33 Skylines. I'd speculate the threats had to do with the fraud and perhaps an employee who was going to rat him out, but that's only my own speculation at this point.
http://www.autoblog....wner-jailed-on/
http://www.jalopnik....sted-161527.php
etc
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Title: SKYLINE GTR OR ZO6?
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 05, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
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The only version of the Skyline that can be made legal here is the R33. The R32 and R34 were fraudulently passed off as an R33 by Motorex. Do some searching and you'll find the owner is facing charges. Acutally I think the charges may be for making threats but they did revoke street legality for all non R33 Skylines. I'd speculate the threats had to do with the fraud and perhaps an employee who was going to rat him out, but that's only my own speculation at this point.
Yes, I am well aware of that. I was merely commenting on the far off facts that the previous poster had about the skylines.
Post by: jesterrace777 on December 28, 2004, 01:47:00 AM
Post by: risingsun76 on May 21, 2006, 05:02:00 AM
Just to throw another fact your way.
Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.
Post by: thewickedjester on May 21, 2006, 06:41:00 AM
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Ha, give me a z06, I'll tell ya how fast it gets to 100
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Theres a reason its in video games and movies people.
Yeah, because it caters to the ricer crowd that so devoutly follows the NFS:Underground series and what not. Its not the 'ultimate' car, you think video game developers REALLY know cars that well? Granted, they have people telling them how the cars should act and perform but what makes you think the programmers KNOW what these cars are like?
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Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA. tongue.gif
Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification
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You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine
Carification time, *If you have the money* you can easily get 1khp out of that RB26 engine.
Its not like you slap on a cold air kit and you get massive HP from, oh, but that 3 foot carbon fiber wing on back 'll help
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P0wned several Vettes in my city (04 Sube STi) ...haven't gone at it with a Z06 Yet wink.gif
Yeah, I've beat Vettes with my Impala, which is a 4 door, bigass sedan, with the vettes predecesor (sp) of a motor (the LT1), and the common denominator is they cant drive (the drivers of the Vettes), they dont pre load the chasis, and they simply think a clutch dump will beat me, and hell, i've got a 4 speed auto
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I concur. If we are talking strict durability here, the asian cars win.
I'll give that to them, though if you properly take care of a car (American) it'll last just as long. Granted, that proper care does require a bit more work, but to me, personally, its worth it.
Alright, I could keep going, but lets get back on topic so this doesnt turn into another flame thread...
As for the original topic: I'd take the z06, its not that I dislike the Skylines, on the small list of 'imports' I wouldnt mind owning its pretty high up there. Needless to say the ammount of money I would have to spend to get it to a vette-ass-kicking-stage would make me feel like a jackass every time I got into the car.
And to clarify, I dont hate Japanese cars, I dont particularly like them, and will most likely never own one, but I have to give them some credit, they build decent cars and theres nothing wrong with them, just my personal taste.
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Holy shit, way to go on reviving a dead thread... GG... I was wondering why I'd not seen it before
Post by: Rylinkus on May 21, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(risingsun76 @ May 21 2006, 12:09 PM) 
I'm sorry for being arrogant but I have to set everyone whos ignorant straight. First off, Japan makes better cars hands down than America which in-cludes the highly touted Skyline. Theres a reason its in video games and movies people. I don't want to go into great detail but the technology in that car and the bulletproof inline 6 engine is what makes it so special. You can easily get 1000hp out of that RB26 engine. Its computer controlled AWD torque system allows it to be thrown into corners at extreme speeds without much fanfare. It is supposed to be quite easy to drive fast and crazy because it allows for it. Its plain and simple a badass car. It wouldn't smoke a z06 stock but everyone knows japan laws in recent years kept horsepower at 276bhp. Get it out of the showroom and do a little laptop tuning and you have a supercar.
Just to throw another fact your way.
Guess what GM fans....that company is going bankrupt because it makes shitty cars and is poorly managed. Toyota will become the #1 automaker in this world by then end of 08. And they make a badass car too...its called the SUPRA.
Poorl;y managed does not necessarily equate to poor cars. And for the most part I agree that GM needs some work. But I still think the Z06 is a VERY worthy car.
And since they're in video and movies they're good cars? Didn't the 2 Fast 2 Furious feature a FWD Eclipse Syder and a FWD Lancer? And can't you find those in video games? Wow, maybe the guy down the street owns a super car after all.....
Im sure this will all be taken as prattle from a GM fanboy.
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 21, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 22, 2006, 02:44:00 AM
QUOTE(thewickedjester @ May 21 2006, 03:48 AM)
Can I please see some evidence? I really like GM, and I still see their dealerships selling hard, so I'm not shure where you get this info, and I would greatly appreciate some clarification
Pick up a news paper
GM isn't fairing too well these days. While I would like to see them pull through (and I'm sure they will), it's not unfathemable that they could file for bankruptcy. They've made really shitty decisions the past 10 years with car designs and they're paying for it now. They're now taking action but it's possible that it's too late for any plans they may have in store. Just search on google or something and read all about it. It shouldn't be hard to find.On the topic of American vs Jap in quality. Jap no question.
On the topic of Z06 vs Skyline; Z06. I haven't been a fan of the vettes at all. Anything made after the 60's is just shit. But their new design was beautifully done. The hard edges and exposed headlights really helped. They also have a fantastic choice of colors now. All the metallic colors are really nice. The Skyline isn't worth the trouble and money it takes to get it. Unless I had a rediculous amount of money to spend and an already nice collection of cars, I doubt I'd get one. But I am a fan of 'em.
Post by: thewickedjester on May 22, 2006, 06:19:00 AM
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Pick up a news paper wink.gif GM isn't fairing too well these days. While I would like to see them pull through (and I'm sure they will), it's not unfathemable that they could file for bankruptcy. They've made really shitty decisions the past 10 years with car designs and they're paying for it now. They're now taking action but it's possible that it's too late for any plans they may have in store. Just search on google or something and read all about it. It shouldn't be hard to find.
Ok, what _I_ see in GM, Ford, all the American car companies is normality. Its all a part of the standard business cycle. We have reached (at least in automotive terms) the peak of the cycle and can no longer increase prices as demand for the vehicles has fallen off, therefore they are headed into the recession stage, they are laying off workers to cut costs, thereby giving them the ability to lower prices, this will hopefully pull them out of the recession/depression stage and put them back into the expansionary stage.
As for the "Well they make shitty cars" argument. Every American made car that anyone I know owns, breaks down. But is that because they are shitty? Or is it because the people who own them dont properlly maintain them? I'm going to go with the second, and heres why, I own a 96 Impala SS, its a 10 year old car, added onto that they were riddeled with problems as the cars themselves were thrown together rather quickly as it was a sort of 'specialty car' that Chevy built. I've owned the car a year and a half, and have had no problems whatsoever with it. The guy that owned it before me didnt have any major problems with it. Whats my secret for keeping my 'shitty car' running good? I change the fluids, make sure I always keep an eye on the guages so that I know whats going on, etc etc. If a vehicle is properly maintained, it'll last for a looooong time, American made or not.
Post by: twistedsymphony on May 22, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
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...Moreover, until last year, when GM and the union reached a deal for retirees to cover co-payments and deductibles, GM paid all of retirees' health- care expenses.
With benefits like these, it is no wonder that GM was once known as "Generous Motors."
But these days, health-care costs are causing enormous financial headaches for the Big Three. GM has an unfunded liability worth $85 billion in today's money to cover future health-care costs for workers and retirees. That is roughly seven to eight times the market value of the whole company.
General Motors estimates health- care costs add about $1,500 to the cost of each vehicle it makes in the United States. Chrysler claims a health-care cost of $1,400 per vehicle. Ford says its burden is $1,100.
GM's pension plan has also been a drain. Since 1992, GM has plowed $56 billion in stock and cash into it to keep it funded. It is hoping to reduce its burden by offering all its 105,000 UAW workers buyout packages worth up to $140,000. It is still unclear how many plan to accept the offers....
With benefits like these, it is no wonder that GM was once known as "Generous Motors."
But these days, health-care costs are causing enormous financial headaches for the Big Three. GM has an unfunded liability worth $85 billion in today's money to cover future health-care costs for workers and retirees. That is roughly seven to eight times the market value of the whole company.
General Motors estimates health- care costs add about $1,500 to the cost of each vehicle it makes in the United States. Chrysler claims a health-care cost of $1,400 per vehicle. Ford says its burden is $1,100.
GM's pension plan has also been a drain. Since 1992, GM has plowed $56 billion in stock and cash into it to keep it funded. It is hoping to reduce its burden by offering all its 105,000 UAW workers buyout packages worth up to $140,000. It is still unclear how many plan to accept the offers....
THAT is what's killing GM (as well as Ford and Crystler, but not as bad)... not much to do with how well their cars are selling (Though the +$1500 isn't helping)...
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 22, 2006, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ May 22 2006, 05:13 AM)
3. GM screwed themselves with their pension plans.
I meant to mention that one.
The thing with the hybrids, though, is that they aren't really selling to those who are trying to save gas. The extra cost it takes to get a hybrid doesn't even pay itself off for years. The people who buy hybrids are usually doing it to be eco-friendly. The new trend (or maybe more than a trend) is to be "green". Everything is green now. We've got the e-85 gas now, GM has even got the new engines to use it to take advantage of the green market. Global warming and the environment is a big thing right now. That's why Hybrids are so popular. Not so much the gas thing.
Post by: thewickedjester on May 22, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ May 22 2006, 10:13 AM)
GM is in trouble for a few reasons...
(^ Shortened in the interest of space)
Yeah, I'll give ya that one. GM is in trouble I suppose.... I'm sure they will pull out of it somehow though, and if they arent first as an automaker, it doesnt neccissarily mean a downfall entirely... Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.
Post by: Owtlaw333 on May 23, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
QUOTE(thewickedjester @ May 22 2006, 03:52 PM)
Till I see a foreign car with a V-8 and the size I want though, I'll stick with my lumbering giants of American cars, hehe.
If ur talkin' about things like an Expedition or Yukon XL, I doubt that'll ever happen, lol. Unless Toyota decides to make an America only vehicle (since they've got a factory in the making here... on their way to be the Dell of cars).
Post by: jesterrace777 on May 23, 2006, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: lostboyz on May 24, 2006, 06:35:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on May 24, 2006, 07:00:00 AM
One thing they wont be able to help however is hurting foreign auto makers... back when Harley was in trouble they imposed an import tax to put the Japanese and european bike makers on an higher price level then the american bikes.
Considering there seems to be more "Japanese" cars being manufactured in the US then "US" car these days all the Government will be able to do is pump money into GM to keep them afloat, or maybe change some laws that would allow them to cut loose the pension responsibilities they've built up.
Post by: thewickedjester on May 24, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ May 23 2006, 11:33 PM)
If ur talkin' about things like an Expedition or Yukon XL, I doubt that'll ever happen, lol. Unless Toyota decides to make an America only vehicle (since they've got a factory in the making here... on their way to be the Dell of cars).
I was refering more to my 96 Impala, I could care less about SUV's, I hate driving them...
Granted, there are some 'roomy' foreign cars, and even GM doesnt make a relatively large sedan anymore... Oh well... I was just commenting.
Post by: lostboyz on May 24, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ May 24 2006, 07:07 AM)
I agree that you'll never see GM go under.. The Government will definitely bail them out, just like they did with Chrysler, and Harley.
One thing they wont be able to help however is hurting foreign auto makers... back when Harley was in trouble they imposed an import tax to put the Japanese and european bike makers on an higher price level then the american bikes.
Considering there seems to be more "Japanese" cars being manufactured in the US then "US" car these days all the Government will be able to do is pump money into GM to keep them afloat, or maybe change some laws that would allow them to cut loose the pension responsibilities they've built up.
Its the taxing they are avoiding by creating factories in this country. And though it boosts local economy with the supply of jobs a majority of the money heads overseas to the HQ in Japan (usually). US companies HQ's are obviously here and they make factories elsewhere for the cost of production so the automotive world is much more intertwined than most international markets. Its very hard to control and even harder to predict
Post by: brutalsun on May 26, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
http://www.jbskyline.....front top.jpg
the current skyline sucks ass.
the r34 is capable of holding 1000hp to the wheels on the stock lowerend.... I'd like to see the vette do that.
I do like the Zo6 and it sounds baddass cammed and loudmouth. but AWD burnouts Pwn RWD Burnouts
Post by: lostboyz on May 26, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
QUOTE(brutalsun @ May 26 2006, 05:40 PM)
R34 is not the g35 chassis.
http://www.jbskyline.....front top.jpg
the current skyline sucks ass.
the r34 is capable of holding 1000hp to the wheels on the stock lowerend.... I'd like to see the vette do that.
I do like the Zo6 and it sounds baddass cammed and loudmouth. but AWD burnouts Pwn RWD Burnouts
Yes thank you for proving the skyline is so much better, it can do AWD burnouts and can support a 1000bhp with stock parts. those are obviously the most important things I think of when clasifying cars. Tell me again how is nissan doing in the le mans gt(2) series against that inferior Z06?
Post by: Rylinkus on May 27, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
Post by: thewickedjester on May 27, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 27 2006, 09:23 AM)
Do you think given the price differential between the 2 you could replace the Z06 bottom end with a more robust one?
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
But the smoke might distract the other driver and cause him to crash! Of course then Speed Racer will just press one of those buttons and have a gadget to fix it!
Post by: brutalsun on May 30, 2006, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ May 27 2006, 08:23 AM)
Do you think given the price differential between the 2 you could replace the Z06 bottom end with a more robust one?
And AWD burnouts? Wow..... My friends Talon does AWD burnouts. Remember, spinning your tires while racing makes you faster.
Just saying.
http://video.google....5&q=drag racing
8.7 in the 1/4
and you guys are fucking dicks
Post by: lostboyz on May 30, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: EverestX on May 30, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
I dont plan to get into this Rice vs. White Competition, but all I have to say is I would take a Z06 any day and every day over a Skyline. It's jsut me but I would love to have both cars but if I could only have one, the z06 would be in my driveway.
Post by: Rylinkus on May 30, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
QUOTE(brutalsun @ May 30 2006, 02:14 PM)
I could post videos of plenty of cars that run impressive 1/4s. The fact that one car runs fast is an indication of which ones are better stock. Or with mods. And certainly no indication of the total cost to get it there. And people are dicks? For not having the same opinion as you?
Post by: Modderxtrordanare on May 30, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
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And people are dicks? For not having the same opinion as you?
Pwned.
Post by: xXxCocoFangxXx on June 02, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: leijae on June 04, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 05, 2006, 02:58:00 AM
QUOTE(leijae @ Jun 4 2006, 05:04 PM)
look the fact of the matter is that an r34 is a great car because there aren't many of them here... the z06 is fast and cheaper true. However, the Infiniti R35 Skyline GTR is gonna kick the z06's ass. 3.5VQ with twin turbo, AWD, Brembo breaks, TWIN TURBO.... did i mention a twin turbo'd 3.5v6 which is already in the g35/350z with 300hp?
Huh? I thought they were toning down the american Skyline. Either way, I don't care for the looks. Looks more like a wanabe luxury sedan then a perfect tuned sports machine. Just compare the R32, R33 and R34 GTR side by side and it makes you want to cry. I wish we weren't such a "oh that's so 5 minutes ago" society or we might see some decent designs in production for a few more years. Looks like the new one's body style is nothing more than a rip off of the 350Z body style with a few slight alterations.
http://paultan.org/a...ine-gt-r-proto/
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 05, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
My father owned a last gen Z06 and printed right on the side behind the front wheels was "405HP" that's right 405 horsepower...
The thing is unbelievably fast and quite nimble for an american car too. Not to mention the transmission is mounted BEHIND the driver for better weight distribution. The newer Z06s even blow away that one...
Having driven my fathers Z06 and test driven a G35 and a 350Z even if the skyline is substantially faster then the G35/Z it sill wont touch the Z06... All Wheel drive is nice but all it will do is slow it down more... more weight on the car and more weight in the drive train.
Actually I was incredibly disappointed with the G35, it just felt slow. while it's theoretical performance is better then my WRX... the WRX still felt faster and the only car I've ever driven that was faster then the Z06 was my father highly modified Supra (made about ~580hp at the wheels) Even then it was a very close call between those two.
I'd still take the Skyline over the Z06 any day... it's such a rare and cool looking car. Not to mention the fit and finish on the Z06 (as with most american, particularly GM cars) was just total JUNK. The bezel around the radio didn't fit right, gaps between body panels were large and inconsistent. Leaving the sun visor down on a hot day melted the seems. Whenever you closed the door it felt like you were going to pull off the interior door panel; not to mention it had a dozen squeaks and rattles right from the factory... it just didn't feel like a quality vehicle... most Nissans on the other hand...
Post by: lostboyz on June 05, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 05, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: speed_racer88 on June 05, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: thewickedjester on June 05, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 06, 2006, 01:04:00 AM
QUOTE(speed_racer88 @ Jun 5 2006, 11:07 PM)
OR you can buy a RWD skyline, all the great looks in a faster bundle. My friend had a RWD skyline and it was very fast, until it got wrapped around a pole.... But even after the left side was crushed in so far that it was half a foot away from the drivers head my friend still drove the car in to the trailer and into his garage.
Yes, but as pointed out above it depends what you plan on using it for.
Post by: Rylinkus on June 06, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: jesterrace777 on June 06, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jun 6 2006, 10:22 PM)
Well I disagree. You're not going to use a skyline to rally. They're real heavy for a rally car.
You also missed the part about light to light racing.
Post by: SniperKilla on June 09, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp
Post by: SniperKilla on June 09, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on June 09, 2006, 11:05:00 AM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ Jun 9 2006, 06:39 AM)
forgot to post that the 2006 z06 was also the fastest production car ever to lap nurburgring, behind ONLY the $400,000 porsche carrera gt
Just drove by one on the freeway 15min ago. Prolly the only Porche I would LOVE to own. A piece of art.
Post by: Rylinkus on June 09, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ Jun 9 2006, 04:14 PM)
z06 no question.. anyone voting for a skyline just knows what they saw on the fast and the curious...
skyline cant match a z06's performance... be it a 01 z06 with 385hp, an 02-04 z06 with 405hp, or the new firebreathing 06 z06 with 505hp
Obviously you're not playing enough Need For Speed: Underground.....
Post by: CKwik240 on June 14, 2006, 12:25:00 AM
Post by: Rylinkus on June 14, 2006, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(CKwik240 @ Jun 14 2006, 07:32 AM)
While the specs of the upcoming GTR have not been made official, from what we know f it, the Z06 has some advantages. Not to put the GTR off, but the GTR will be a relatively heavy car and will probably have less power than the Z06. That's not to say the GTR won't be competetive or perhaps even be able to best the Z06 on the 'Ring'. Consider the GT-R at one time set a record at the 'Ring'. It's a benchmark that is bested over and over again. I speculate Nissan is aiming at that spot even if for only a short time. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system will probably have plenty to do with it. I'd imagine a Z06 would have to be a bit finicky in exiting turns. The AWD in the GTR will probably be rear biased like always and allow quite a bit of torque transfer to seek out any available traction on exit. Unless accelleration is severely biased to one car, in a course with a lot of high speed straights, exit speeds are going to be key. If the GTR is going to be able to break any records, this is going to be key. And before anyone starts saying AWD is heavier, blah blah, consider that in a recent article that tested current AWD sport sedans, they put a RWD #5 against an AWD one. While the G35X AWD system is not tuned with a big emphasis on performance, and is a couple of hundred pounds heavier, it beat the RWD version around a course in the dry and wet. I'm not saying the GTR will win as my initial impressions based on speculation around the GTR's specs would lead me to believe the GTR would have an uphill battle, but I certainly won't pass it off at this point. Especially with rumors that Lotus is tuning the suspension and Cosworth is tuning the motor. Either way, this just goes to show when businesses compete, consumers win.
A very good post. Why don't we get more of these. My only skepticism would be comparing the perfomance of a RWD SUV vs and AWD SUV. While neither is exaclty tuned for performance, a poorly setup RWD car is going to have a far greater issue finding traction than it's AWD counterpart. Perhaps best illustrated by the pletora of RWD vehicles on the market that are in no way decent handling. (Vans/SUVs/Trucks) I'm not saying that RWD is always better, but I think to compare 2 SUVs, neither built for performance and use that as any sort of basis for comparing sports cars is disengenous. I don't mean to be attacking the AWD platform as surely I plan to move to an AWD platform when I decide to retire the Camaro.
Post by: juanman on June 19, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
i want a viper!
Post by: lostboyz on June 19, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Owtlaw333 on June 20, 2006, 01:21:00 AM
QUOTE(lostboyz @ Jun 19 2006, 02:32 PM)
viper's got nothing. It is a popsicle stick strapped to a rocket engine. It isnt even a competitor with anything with a turn.
When placed up against the Vette and Ford GT, Viper, I believe, was placed last. But while it may not be the best performer, I think I would still take the Viper just because it's been the car I've always wanted since I was a little kid. (I remember seeing it in Vegas for the first time in a casino in the middle of the slots. One of the ones that you can win the displayed car) It's a thing of beauty. I'm glad they changed the body style back with it's original curves. But if there was one car in the world I could have, it would be either a Vanquish or DB9. No car can beat the style of an Aston Martin.
Post by: juanman on June 20, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
i want one, looks like ill have to get a good job so i can buy one and smoke all the vettes
Post by: CJLee89 on July 20, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
i def go with the skyline. even thought they r illegal until 2007. u can get them in the US but they have to go through some modifications before u get it. like, knocking the horsepower down a ALOT, and putting the steering wheel on the left side of the car. a japanese version = 1200 HP, once made legal for US = around 200 HP.
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 20, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: lostboyz on July 21, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
QUOTE(CJLee89 @ Jul 20 2006, 04:40 PM)
...a japanese version = 1200 HP, once made legal for US = around 200 HP.
I just lol'ed. Then why on earth would anyone import it, and why is nissan not making airplane engines if they hit out a 1200hp motor from factory for that kinda price. damn
Post by: jesterrace777 on July 21, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: Rylinkus on August 01, 2006, 09:43:00 AM
QUOTE(CKwik240 @ Aug 1 2006, 03:01 AM)
The only version of the Skyline that can be made legal here is the R33. The R32 and R34 were fraudulently passed off as an R33 by Motorex. Do some searching and you'll find the owner is facing charges. Acutally I think the charges may be for making threats but they did revoke street legality for all non R33 Skylines. I'd speculate the threats had to do with the fraud and perhaps an employee who was going to rat him out, but that's only my own speculation at this point.
http://www.autoblog....wner-jailed-on/
http://www.jalopnik....sted-161527.php
etc
Post by: jesterrace777 on August 05, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(CKwik240 @ Aug 1 2006, 03:01 AM)
The only version of the Skyline that can be made legal here is the R33. The R32 and R34 were fraudulently passed off as an R33 by Motorex. Do some searching and you'll find the owner is facing charges. Acutally I think the charges may be for making threats but they did revoke street legality for all non R33 Skylines. I'd speculate the threats had to do with the fraud and perhaps an employee who was going to rat him out, but that's only my own speculation at this point.
Yes, I am well aware of that. I was merely commenting on the far off facts that the previous poster had about the skylines.