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Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: maltroph on July 29, 2005, 02:19:00 AM
im moving soon to durango CO and i want a friend to be able to FTP my box with stuff, from denver is there any way of doing that???
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 29, 2005, 04:36:00 AM
should be able to... all you need to do is tell your router to forward port 21 to the ip address of your xbox..then your friend would ftp to your internet address...you router would see the request for port 21 and forward the request to the xbox.

It helps if you have a static IP with your internet provider..but in many cases, as long as you dont shut down the modem (cable or dsl), the IP wont change.

good luck smile.gif
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 29, 2005, 07:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Bullwinkle @ Jul 29 2005, 09:47 PM)
should be able to... all you need to do is tell your router to forward port 21 to the ip address of your xbox..then your friend would ftp to your internet address...you router would see the request for port 21 and forward the request to the xbox.

It helps if you have a static IP with your internet provider..but in many cases, as long as you dont shut down the modem (cable or dsl), the IP wont change.
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ive never even though of doing this. so as long as your xbox is set to a static ip (not dhcp), and you have a static ip from your isp, youll be fine.

let us know if it works or not, im very interested
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 29, 2005, 07:44:00 AM
no different from a computer ...  the xbox will be oblivious as to where the ftp request is coming from..as long as the router routs it correctly.   and yes...  both the IP of the xbox and cablemodem should be static (or at least you'll need to tell your friend what the addresses are before he logs in each time..that'd be a pain if the xbox were dhcp..you'd need to change routing constantly  sad.gif )
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: maltroph on July 29, 2005, 04:51:00 PM
i'll be on a collage internet, not sure if that makes a difference with the router or not?
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 29, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
QUOTE(maltroph @ Jul 30 2005, 09:26 AM)
i'll be on a collage internet, not sure if that makes a difference with the router or not?
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that could be a problem. they will have a firewall set up, and they will probably be blocking incoming ftp conenctions.

i think you should contact them and tell them what you want to do, and see if they let you do it or not.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: --DANNY-- on July 29, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Ya, I do this all the time. From my brother's house, he has 2 modded xbox's and we can transfer files back and forth through FTP by forwarding port 21 to our xbox's ip on our routers.

And forwarding port 21 to your xbox ip on your router can also make it accessible via ftp from anywhere that has an internet connection. So it can be used to host files for anything on the internet, basically run as a server, if you setup another filezilla username with read only privellages to only certain folders.

Also... forwarding port 8080 to your xbox's ip on your router can enable it to run as an http server. This in conjunction with editing and compliling your own cvs builds to change the webserver root directory to F:, can be very usefull for running websites, hosting all your online pics, or hosting or mirroring any file that you wish, and having it either available or not to the public.

This is extremely usefull for everything listed above and more, especially if you have a separate xbox with a decent sized hard drive that is setup for extreme cooling to run 24/7 as a server.

-Danny
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 29, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
i never though that possible. ill have to try it
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: deacon187 on July 29, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jul 29 2005, 07:52 PM)
that could be a problem. they will have a firewall set up, and they will probably be blocking incoming ftp conenctions.

i think you should contact them and tell them what you want to do, and see if they let you do it or not.
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 although i heard if you connect your xbox to a sencond nic card thats in your pc and share the connection it will get you on live if they block you from a router, its worth to try it for ftp and see if it will allow it as well
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 31, 2005, 05:35:00 AM
just to let you guys know, i tried to do this, and it didnt work. had the port (210 forwaded, but it just came back with 'conenction refused' at the otehr end.

i have a feelign it was something to do with teh firewall in the router though. i have sent an email to the manufacturer (d-link) about it, and ill jet you know what they say.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: maltroph on July 31, 2005, 05:42:00 AM
glad to see you guys trying this out. this will be a HUGE help to me,  :D
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 31, 2005, 05:58:00 AM
QUOTE(maltroph @ Jul 31 2005, 10:17 PM)
glad to see you guys trying this out. this will be a HUGE help to me,  :D
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glad to help. this is good for me, because then i have a way of getting new apps to all my customers.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: --DANNY-- on July 31, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
I have a Dlink DI-604 router and it works perfectly, just make set the virtual server settings like this but put in the IP address of your xbox. And it really helps if you use enable the static DCHP server so that your xbox ip address never changes...
(IMG:http://home.comcast.net/~dsdahl89/files/pics/router1.png)
That is how I have mine setup, and it works w/ no problems, for the http server, just create another setting exacly the same only using port 80.

-Danny

This post has been edited by --DANNY--: Aug 1 2005, 05:37 AM
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 01, 2005, 02:40:00 AM
ok thanks. i think its a setting in the firewall. ive changed it, ill try it later
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 01, 2005, 02:43:00 AM
I've been wanting to remotely access my Xbox for a long time now, and I just can't seem to get it working. Here are what my router settings look like (sorry for the large image):

(IMG:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/xboxgamer733/xboxgoodness2.jpg)

Of course, my router assigned my Xbox the IP address '192.168.2.5'.

I've also tried to put the Xbox in the DMZ, but that didn't help. Is there anything else that I can try?


Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 01, 2005, 05:11:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 1 2005, 07:18 PM)
I've been wanting to remotely access my Xbox for a long time now, and I just can't seem to get it working. Here are what my router settings look like (sorry for the large image):

(IMG:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/xboxgamer733/xboxgoodness2.jpg)

Of course, my router assigned my Xbox the IP address '192.168.2.5'.

I've also tried to put the Xbox in the DMZ, but that didn't help. Is there anything else that I can try?
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ok well ftp uses TCP, so teh UDP one isnt necessary. check the settings for the firwall of the router, thats what's stopping me.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 01, 2005, 04:42:00 AM
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Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 01, 2005, 07:20:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 1 2005, 09:53 PM)
Yeah, I was figuring that the firewall was stopping me. I'll mess with it and see if that helps anything.
 :beer:
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well let us know if it works for you
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: --DANNY-- on August 01, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
Also, try adding the xbox's IP address to the DMZ (Demilitarized Zone). Look around for the settings for your DMZ, and add your xbox's IP to it. It pretty much disables the firewall rules to your xbox. And that won't hurt anything, because your xbox can't have any viruses or hackers.

-Danny
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 01, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(--DANNY-- @ Aug 1 2005, 08:02 PM)
Also, try adding the xbox's IP address to the DMZ (Demilitarized Zone). Look around for the settings for your DMZ, and add your xbox's IP to it. It pretty much disables the firewall rules to your xbox. And that won't hurt anything, because your xbox can't have any viruses or hackers.

I've tried putting the Xbox in the DMZ, but it didn't work, either.

Thanks for the suggestion, though  smile.gif
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: grimlock on August 01, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jul 31 2005, 01:10 PM)
just to let you guys know, i tried to do this, and it didnt work. had the port (210 forwaded, but it just came back with 'conenction refused' at the otehr end.

i have a feelign it was something to do with teh firewall in the router though. i have sent an email to the manufacturer (d-link) about it, and ill jet you know what they say.
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I'm assuming you meant port 21. Make sure it's TCP and not UDP.

Also, let me point out that you don't need static IPs for the remote ftp access to work. There are several free dynamic DNS providers around that let you automotically register your dynamic IP, as soon as it changes.

For all the people having problems with port forwarding, it probably requires a case-by-case solution, but it's generally because of firewalls at some point in the network. You should try using a computer instead of the xbox, if it makes the troubleshooting any easier. Try briefly disabling the firewall and see if that works...
QUOTE
And that won't hurt anything, because your xbox can't have any viruses or hackers
Don't bet on that ;P
I would never leave anything connected to the network completely unprotected by firewall, tcp wrappers, MAC filters, IP filters, etc...
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: trey85stang on August 02, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 2 2005, 04:08 AM)
I've tried putting the Xbox in the DMZ, but it didn't work, either.

Thanks for the suggestion, though  :)
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10 bucks says you r isp disables imcoming connections to port 21 25 80 110 119 etc.. etc..
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 02, 2005, 12:08:00 AM
QUOTE(trey85stang @ Aug 1 2005, 11:35 PM)
10 bucks says you r isp disables imcoming connections to port 21 25 80 110 119 etc.. etc..

I've thought that, too, so I changed the FTP port (in UnleashX) from 21 to 1234, and forwarded port 1234 in the router. Still, I can't access the Xbox.

I guess you're out 10 bucks now!  biggrin.gif
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 02, 2005, 01:24:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 2 2005, 05:19 PM)
I've thought that, too, so I changed the FTP port (in UnleashX) from 21 to 1234, and forwarded port 1234 in the router. Still, I can't access the Xbox.

I guess you're out 10 bucks now!  :D
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did you make sure that the person tryign to access it was using the right port??
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 02, 2005, 01:46:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Aug 2 2005, 12:59 AM)
did you make sure that the person tryign to access it was using the right port??

Yes, I did.

I gave him the address ftp://<My IP>:1234
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 02, 2005, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 2 2005, 06:21 PM)
Yes, I did.

I gave him the address ftp://<My IP>:1234
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hmm. well i dont know then. by rights it shoudl work, but there has to be something stopping it
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: --DANNY-- on August 02, 2005, 04:13:00 AM
QUOTE(grimlock @ Aug 1 2005, 11:22 PM)
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And that won't hurt anything, because your xbox can't have any viruses or hackers
Don't bet on that ;P
I would never leave anything connected to the network completely unprotected by firewall, tcp wrappers, MAC filters, IP filters, etc...


Well... if you aren't stupid enough to use your main ftp login with all privelages to be publicly hosting files so ppl can know your main login/pass, then there should be no problem.

So just add another user to the FileZillaServer.xml in XBMC to have read only privelages to only certain drives/folder, not including C: and your apps folders so they can't see your xml or setting files to find out your main password.

But then again... now that I think about it. Someone could connect to your xbox via ftp and send it a raw command to format the HD. So ya I guess it would be a bad idea, but then again... aren't raw commands sent through ftp still sent over tcp 21? So there's nothing you can do unless you block that port, but then ftp wouldn't be possible... so I guess that's just a risk that you have to take.
But also, if someone did do this, you could look at your xbmc ftp logs to get their ip and report them, because what they did was illegal...

Meh... I dunno...

-Danny
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 02, 2005, 04:43:00 AM
its a tough one. id say dont use your xbox as a ftp derver. only give out your ip address to people who you trust
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: spinr34 on August 02, 2005, 02:00:00 PM
for all the people forwarding and dmz'ing properly and not being able to connect to their xbox here is the problem.  your ISP probably blocks that port.  i know cox blocks ftp, pop3 and http.  so if anyone on cox wants to run any type of server, you have to do it on a different port than the default.  other than that, the xbox is capable of doing everything that everyone is trying.  however, i'd rather leave my pc on and set up Apache for an http server, but that might just be me ;p

EDIT: bah, i didn't realize someone already said it might be getting blocked.  my bad :)

This post has been edited by spinr34: Aug 2 2005, 09:01 PM
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 03, 2005, 03:34:00 AM
QUOTE(spinr34 @ Aug 3 2005, 06:35 AM)
EDIT: bah, i didn't realize someone already said it might be getting blocked.  my bad :)
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nah thats kool. maybe they can email their isp and see what they say about it
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: trey85stang on August 03, 2005, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 2 2005, 08:19 AM)
I've thought that, too, so I changed the FTP port (in UnleashX) from 21 to 1234, and forwarded port 1234 in the router. Still, I can't access the Xbox.

I guess you're out 10 bucks now!  :D
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dohhh... Ok,  there is a 10 dollar bill sitting on my desk.  You can come and get it  :evil:

As for your issue... sounds odd.  you can ftp inside the network.. but from the internet it does not work.  I'd still say you have an isp issue.  Not a router issue.

As a quick test.. form inside your network can you connect using the public ip??
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 03, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
QUOTE(trey85stang @ Aug 3 2005, 03:24 AM)
As a quick test.. form inside your network can you connect using the public ip??

No, I can't. If I try to connect to the Xbox from my computer, I almost immediately get a "Connection could not be established" error. From my friend's house, I get the same error, too.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 03, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 3 2005, 09:56 PM)
No, I can't. If I try to connect to the Xbox from my computer, I almost immediately get a "Connection could not be established" error. From my friend's house, I get the same error, too.
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i figured that woudl happen. because basically your sending data from a port to itself. it probably confuses the router, and it drops the packet.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 03, 2005, 05:20:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Aug 3 2005, 05:12 AM)
i figured that woudl happen. because basically your sending data from a port to itself. it probably confuses the router, and it drops the packet.

But the "Connection could not be established" error happens when I'm at my friend's house, too.

It seems that everything outside the network is getting denied access to the Xbox. I just wish that I could figure out why  dry.gif
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: NoAffinity on August 03, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jul 31 2005, 04:10 AM)
just to let you guys know, i tried to do this, and it didnt work. had the port (210 forwaded

Don't know if this was a typo...but it's port 21. :)

:edit: nm, I see this was said on page 2.  :unsure:

This post has been edited by NoAffinity: Aug 3 2005, 05:15 PM
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: thefilepirater on August 03, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
In any chance this does work. The connection speed will only be as good as the upload. Its not like your gonna get 5-6megs a second by uploading to the box. <_<

In any chance you will get about 40-50kb's a second, which is hardly anything good.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: spinr34 on August 03, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
if you are running on a non-standard port then it has to be the router blocking.  i don't think the ISP would block every single port.  try some crazy port like 54031 :)  and yea like thefilepirater said about the speed, it'll take a while to transfer a few gigs ;p
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 03, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
QUOTE(spinr34 @ Aug 3 2005, 12:13 PM)
try some crazy port like 54031 smile.gif

As I said earlier in this thread, I changed the FTP port to 1234, but it had no effect at all.

Maybe my Xbox just hates me  ph34r.gif
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 04, 2005, 01:40:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 4 2005, 11:27 AM)
Maybe my Xbox just hates me  :ph34r:
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i think we have all had that feeling...

try another random port and see if that works
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: xboxgamer733 on August 04, 2005, 03:07:00 AM
I just tried ports 733, 1988, 1492, 2005, 1776, 1901, and 2049, but they didn't work, either.

I have a few ideas left as to why I can't connect to the Xbox, but if none of them work, then I'll just give up.
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on August 04, 2005, 03:27:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxgamer733 @ Aug 4 2005, 07:42 PM)
I just tried ports 733, 1988, 1492, 2005, 1776, 1901, and 2049, but they didn't work, either.

I have a few ideas left as to why I can't connect to the Xbox, but if none of them work, then I'll just give up.
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so whats your ideas?
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: deusprogrammer on September 15, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
I thought I would lend some advice.  On your router for your ports, open ports 21-23.  Ports 22 and 23 control login.  I did this and it worked fine.

BTW, I get connection speeds of about 300k from the XBox FTP


This post has been edited by deusprogrammer: Sep 15 2005, 11:27 AM
Title: Ftp An Xbox Out Of State?
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on September 15, 2005, 05:47:00 AM
QUOTE(deusprogrammer @ Sep 15 2005, 09:00 PM)
I thought I would lend some advice.  On your router for your ports, open ports 21-23.  Ports 22 and 23 control login.  I did this and it worked fine.

BTW, I get connection speeds of about 300k from the XBox FTP
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yeah, i open up the router (was blocking incoming ftp), and it works fine now. the only limiting factor is the shit uplaod speed (i onyl got like 128k upload).