Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 07:50:00 AM
http://www.xbox-scen...yZFTSAgfEQp.php
Anyone else know of what has changed on the hardware coz SmartXX ain't ready to enlighten us just yet they say
Post by: OcnewB on May 24, 2005, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Pizza Pizz @ May 24 2005, 04:01 PM)
SmartXX are reporting they got one and their chip is working but others fail to boot
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:00:00 AM
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exactly what i was thinking.....
hardware/bios changes - new solder points to rebuild lpc
why are they not sharing their info - after all the 1.3's Lframe issue & original 1.6a plus the reporting of the 1.6b problems were all solved by everyone's input/efforts
I thought sharing the info was what the scene was all about - we shall see
I'm not too fussed coz I like my oldy tsop'd xbox's but a pisser for the scene a bit
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
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I think they are dickheads for not showing us anything any other team would tell us for testing
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: JEB-101 on May 24, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
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I think ure right on that one.. thye just want the glory for themselves... but I want to see this mobo... i wonder if it's a new video encoder
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Blank on May 24, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
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If I had to guess, I'd say by having information pertaining to this 1.7 and them developing with it, they'd have a head start on the market if/when they figure it all out. In all honesty, it's about the market--sure, I would love to see information and board shots of the new mobo, but if you want to get a product out there with support for all versions, or at least the newest version, you're on the right track hoarding it to yourself.
I don't really think it's about honor in cracking it, but more or less being able to get the needed support for their chips and out there for consumers to buy.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:12:00 AM
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LOL good point about the Xecuter.....
thing is they didn't try it so they can't say it don't work
also the Xenium needs a pin removed that must be done on 1.6's if my mem still works
the spiderchip - well if they used the solderless method then that is hit n miss sometimes and other times it works
hardly a true benchtest
what about the super cheapy reliable DuoX 2 then was that tested
c'mon we need more info out there than some peeps try n take credit for it all
who was the group that tried to release the M7 Beta much to Evox's disgust of them leaking an iffy early bios that was very unstable/dangerous to 1.6's - was that Ozmods or someone - well they ended up a bit red faced i think a while back
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
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If they changed the video chip or such like then they would need a new bios perhaps which might be what they are hinting at with the MD5
Personally I prefer freedom of choice.
If they have made a new bios or something then great let them release it and the info
I mean Evox M8 bios was the only 1.6 choice for a long time and what thanks or wealth did they get from he scene - but they still breathed new life into many newer xbox's
Also can this xbox be softmodded ?
yeah cheers for the info - NOT
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 08:25:00 AM
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Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:00:00 AM
hardware/bios changes - new solder points to rebuild lpc
why are they not sharing their info - after all the 1.3's Lframe issue & original 1.6a plus the reporting of the 1.6b problems were all solved by everyone's input/efforts
I thought sharing the info was what the scene was all about - we shall see
I'm not too fussed coz I like my oldy tsop'd xbox's but a pisser for the scene a bit
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: JEB-101 on May 24, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: Blank on May 24, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
I don't really think it's about honor in cracking it, but more or less being able to get the needed support for their chips and out there for consumers to buy.
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:12:00 AM
thing is they didn't try it so they can't say it don't work
also the Xenium needs a pin removed that must be done on 1.6's if my mem still works
the spiderchip - well if they used the solderless method then that is hit n miss sometimes and other times it works
hardly a true benchtest
what about the super cheapy reliable DuoX 2 then was that tested
c'mon we need more info out there than some peeps try n take credit for it all
who was the group that tried to release the M7 Beta much to Evox's disgust of them leaking an iffy early bios that was very unstable/dangerous to 1.6's - was that Ozmods or someone - well they ended up a bit red faced i think a while back
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
Personally I prefer freedom of choice.
If they have made a new bios or something then great let them release it and the info
I mean Evox M8 bios was the only 1.6 choice for a long time and what thanks or wealth did they get from he scene - but they still breathed new life into many newer xbox's
Also can this xbox be softmodded ?
yeah cheers for the info - NOT
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 08:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ May 24 2005, 09:29 AM)
Yeah they are.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: TheTk421 on May 24, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
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I personally think this is just a 1.6c instead of a completely new version. Why? It makes no sense for M$ to put out a new Motherboard, when they are phasing out the old Xbox for the 360, unless they can get sued for something that could go wrong with the old Xbox.... The power supply! While I'm not sure if the 1.6's PSU can go bad (forget), with the Anti-trust lawsuit in Europe, M$ probably wants to cover every possible thing that could go wrong. Thus, with the power supply change, the chip must have to get power from somewhere else, and instead of just telling people the point, they will milk this for as much as possible, and only give people the "fix" with their SmartXX.
A lawsuit is the only thing that could motivate them to change, especially when they need to get the 360 done.
Take care,
TheTK421
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: pablot on May 24, 2005, 08:40:00 AM
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I just think that this stupid war between the modchip makers should stop.. All 4-th gen:s works really good.. why keep fighting?
uh.. oh well.. let's hope its just a minor change on the 1.7 mobo!
/pablot
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 24, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
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Who wants to take bets that it's a grounded LPC via or something silly like what made the v1.5 different from the 1.4 lol...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: CableBro on May 24, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Captain00 on May 24, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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Funny how no one else has seen these boards, I know that all the new ones I'm working on are a regurgitated 1.4.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: mbratton on May 24, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
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http://www.smartxx.c...7fac9b0580d7af9
last post, may be a 1.7
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
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So does that mean a different psu / input voltages
the spider I think uses a 3.3v SST chip but xecuter and maybe duox's AMD chips are 5v if I am correct
but there could be a lot more to this maybe
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
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Post by: TheTk421 on May 24, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
A lawsuit is the only thing that could motivate them to change, especially when they need to get the 360 done.
Take care,
TheTK421
Post by: pablot on May 24, 2005, 08:40:00 AM
uh.. oh well.. let's hope its just a minor change on the 1.7 mobo!
/pablot
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 24, 2005, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: CableBro on May 24, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: Captain00 on May 24, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: mbratton on May 24, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
last post, may be a 1.7
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
the spider I think uses a 3.3v SST chip but xecuter and maybe duox's AMD chips are 5v if I am correct
but there could be a lot more to this maybe
Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(mbratton @ May 24 2005, 07:47 PM)
http://www.smartxx.c...7fac9b0580d7af9
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: tutyet on May 24, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
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you would have to excuse me, i didnt read all the posts, but i wanted to comment on this, so i thought fuck it.
i think this must feel exploited maybe of something that happened before so they are putting at as a big deal, and i say if this is true and do deserve the credit and attention, but if they are being shellfish by not sharing there ideas and new fundings, then they shouldn't be on the scene. But they might not have everything 100% so they are taken a little longer you never know.
peace.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
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Post by: tutyet on May 24, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
i think this must feel exploited maybe of something that happened before so they are putting at as a big deal, and i say if this is true and do deserve the credit and attention, but if they are being shellfish by not sharing there ideas and new fundings, then they shouldn't be on the scene. But they might not have everything 100% so they are taken a little longer you never know.
peace.
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(TheTk421 @ May 24 2005, 12:49 PM)
I personally think this is just a 1.6c instead of a completely new version. Why? It makes no sense for M$ to put out a new Motherboard, when they are phasing out the old Xbox for the 360
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Tobb555 on May 24, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
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yes there going to continue to support it but ive read several places that there not going to make it anymore.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
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yeah they will make new games but they will not produce the console any more
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
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says who? You can say they wont make any more consoles just as easy as smartxx can say they have a 1.7.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: LostIt on May 24, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
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heinrich:
Seems you haven't been keeping up on the news.
http://www.smartmone...512-001289-2006
Nvidia has stopped making the XBOX graphics chips. IOW, no more XBOX being made after those chips are gone.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
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Yes, I read the story when it was news, maybe you didnt read it correctly though? The article does not say "Nvidia has stopped making" anything.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: LostIt on May 24, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
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Seems to me that the (original) XBOX days are numbered. There are a limited number of boxes left to be made.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: leorimolo on May 24, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
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Thanks for the insults, LostIt, way to make your point even more clear. That article does indeed say they have stop producing them, but also note the last paragraph.
How many of those chips could MS have in a warehouse? And why couldnt they produce them on their own?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
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i agree with LostIt, i remmeber seeing a report form MS saying they are stoppin gproduction of xbox in order to devote all facilites to producing 360, makine a new version motherboard would just be silly
as much as i like smartxx chips im gonna call BS on this until i see some pictures
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
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On the actual topic though, all the hostility towards smartxx is really uncalled for at the time being. Its obvious if they just 'make up' xbox revisions, their reputation goes down the drain. Probably best to wait and see instead...
And keep in mind that english is not their first language, so by "too complicated", they very well could have meant "too much of a hassle."
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
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Post by: Tobb555 on May 24, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: kezor on May 24, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: LostIt on May 24, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
Seems you haven't been keeping up on the news.
http://www.smartmone...512-001289-2006
Nvidia has stopped making the XBOX graphics chips. IOW, no more XBOX being made after those chips are gone.
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: LostIt on May 24, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
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For Xbox, we expect Q2 to be the last quarter of shipments. MS has indicated they will not take any more products after Q2 and even more importantly we have stopped production of Xbox [components] and expect to have no inventory after Q2, said Marvin Burkett, NVIDIAs CFO.
Seems to me that the (original) XBOX days are numbered. There are a limited number of boxes left to be made.
Post by: leorimolo on May 24, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
How many of those chips could MS have in a warehouse? And why couldnt they produce them on their own?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
as much as i like smartxx chips im gonna call BS on this until i see some pictures
Post by: heinrich on May 24, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
On the actual topic though, all the hostility towards smartxx is really uncalled for at the time being. Its obvious if they just 'make up' xbox revisions, their reputation goes down the drain. Probably best to wait and see instead...
And keep in mind that english is not their first language, so by "too complicated", they very well could have meant "too much of a hassle."
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
QUOTE(heinrich @ May 24 2005, 05:43 PM)
You agree that I have a 'mal-nutritioned temporal lobe' ?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
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Post by: Code-Runner on May 24, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ May 25 2005, 12:00 AM)
yeah man, your temporal lobe looks its from ethiopia or soemthing, lol (j/k)
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
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obvious more bullshit from the smartxx team
anyone remember their bullshit xbox live protection?
and whats up with this comment
-Xecuter(info): not tested, this chip is too complicated for us
if thats too complicated for them.. how can they even identify a new xbox version
more propaganda and bullshit from a team that has been proven in the past to make up lies to push their chips
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: death_driver_911 on May 24, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: The_Hushed_Casket on May 24, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
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If this is real (which I doubt) I bet the Xecuter works fine and they didn't wan't to say anything good about Team Xecuter so they made up some BS and said they didn't test it. (Not to mention that that very statement, not tested, this chip is too complicated for us, is saying that the Xecuter is a complicated chip, and theirs isn't.)
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: majik655 on May 24, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
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ummm... there is no TSOPS IN ANY xbox made 3-2004 and present.
So yeah he would have a really hard time flashing a tsop in a box made in 2005 since there isn't one to flash.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on May 24, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
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Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
anyone remember their bullshit xbox live protection?
and whats up with this comment
-Xecuter(info): not tested, this chip is too complicated for us
if thats too complicated for them.. how can they even identify a new xbox version
more propaganda and bullshit from a team that has been proven in the past to make up lies to push their chips
Post by: death_driver_911 on May 24, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
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Post by: The_Hushed_Casket on May 24, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: majik655 on May 24, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
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There was this guy in tsop area who had an xbox of march2005 and couldnt´ flash his tsop. He might have the pic that the really gay people didnt show.
ummm... there is no TSOPS IN ANY xbox made 3-2004 and present.
So yeah he would have a really hard time flashing a tsop in a box made in 2005 since there isn't one to flash.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on May 24, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(majik655 @ May 25 2005, 01:15 AM)
ummm... there is no TSOPS IN ANY xbox made 3-2004 and present.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: menelik on May 24, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
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i dont think that smartxx would be that stupid and start any nonsense, think about the money they'd loose. so, lets wait...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: leorimolo on May 24, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
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Smart Team 1.7 IS BULL SH:::::
Agree with the 1.4 theory
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: majik655 on May 24, 2005, 05:36:00 PM
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hahaha I have to say that is funny shiiit.
Thank goodness there are groups that tell it like it is.
Thanks Xecuter
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: yazeljr on May 24, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
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Post by: menelik on May 24, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: leorimolo on May 24, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
Smart Team 1.7 IS BULL SH:::::
Agree with the 1.4 theory
Post by: majik655 on May 24, 2005, 05:36:00 PM
Thank goodness there are groups that tell it like it is.
Thanks Xecuter
Post by: yazeljr on May 24, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ May 25 2005, 01:22 AM)
um, no, recently (since January 2005) 1.4 mobos have resurfaced. They are rare, but they're out there. Also its been reported that all of the canadian Halo 2 LE boxes are 1.4
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
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Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
QUOTE(menelik @ May 24 2005, 07:25 PM)
i dont think that smartxx would be that stupid and start any nonsense, think about the money they'd loose. so, lets wait...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Lamer123 on May 24, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
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I think what angered me the most about this situation is the complete lack of information . I do not care if you don't release pics but I do care about them basically bashing their competitors chips then the people at xbox-scene posting unverified data like that .
Maybe that shit should be taken down till a little more info is provided .
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on May 24, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
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I've never purchased any smartxx product, but this BS has confirmed that I won't in the future. When the 1.6 was discovered (and cracked within 72 hours), all information was given out almost immediately.
Xecuter chip is too complicated??? That's funnier than that they refuse to give out any information on this supposed 1.7 besides a couple of checksums that anybody mashing on their keyboard can recreate.
Back when I was a n00b to all this (feb. 2004), the first chip i installed was an Xecuter 2.3b pro on a 1.4, it was one of the easiest chips to install at the time IMO. Ive installed many more since then, and if a modchip developer can't do it, that's just lame.
The xecuter comment is so lame in fact, that I don't think its true. It's more like "yeah, the xecuter chip works too, but we don't want to say that, so lets just come up with some stupid excuse for not testing it"
Damn you smartxx. You have lost all my respect
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
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well teh checksum makes sense, it means when they do release a pic you can look at the checksum and say "yeah, they had that pic when they irst made the anouncement" not that really prooves a whole lot
as for the xecuter thing, as it was stated earlier in this thread the smartxx guys do not speak english natively, as such all the Live configs with the x3 bios could be quite confusing to them (but youd think at least someone on their team could read it)
i still say the 1.7 is BS, but not deliberate, probably just jumping the gun calling a slight hardware reviusion 1.7, just to get some publicity
i guess i lump team smartxx in the same group as creed (the band) like the music, hate the people (like the chips, hate the team, lol)
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
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Post by: Lamer123 on May 24, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
Maybe that shit should be taken down till a little more info is provided .
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on May 24, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
Xecuter chip is too complicated??? That's funnier than that they refuse to give out any information on this supposed 1.7 besides a couple of checksums that anybody mashing on their keyboard can recreate.
Back when I was a n00b to all this (feb. 2004), the first chip i installed was an Xecuter 2.3b pro on a 1.4, it was one of the easiest chips to install at the time IMO. Ive installed many more since then, and if a modchip developer can't do it, that's just lame.
The xecuter comment is so lame in fact, that I don't think its true. It's more like "yeah, the xecuter chip works too, but we don't want to say that, so lets just come up with some stupid excuse for not testing it"
Damn you smartxx. You have lost all my respect
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
as for the xecuter thing, as it was stated earlier in this thread the smartxx guys do not speak english natively, as such all the Live configs with the x3 bios could be quite confusing to them (but youd think at least someone on their team could read it)
i still say the 1.7 is BS, but not deliberate, probably just jumping the gun calling a slight hardware reviusion 1.7, just to get some publicity
i guess i lump team smartxx in the same group as creed (the band) like the music, hate the people (like the chips, hate the team, lol)
Post by: SniperKilla on May 24, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ May 24 2005, 11:54 PM)
as for the xecuter thing, as it was stated earlier in this thread the smartxx guys do not speak english natively, as such all the Live configs with the x3 bios could be quite confusing to them (but youd think at least someone on their team could read it)
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ May 25 2005, 12:20 AM)
i dont buy it for a second.. that they have no one onhand that can read english.. they reply and read their english forums without a problem... they did it to be assholes.. stop beating around the bush
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
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In effect SmartXX ain't so bloomin' smart after all
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 24, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
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To say Team Xecuter hasn't pulled the same "We know something you don't na-na-na-na boo-boo is BS because they have and seem to ALWAYS do.
There is nothing wrong with one team keeping information close to themselves to gain anadvantage, these guys care little about the advancement of the community they care about the advancement of their bank accounts...that goes for all the teams, period. you wouldn't believe the stupid childish nitpicks these lil chip makers have with eachother behind the lil news posts.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 11:43:00 PM
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Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 24, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 24, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
There is nothing wrong with one team keeping information close to themselves to gain anadvantage, these guys care little about the advancement of the community they care about the advancement of their bank accounts...that goes for all the teams, period. you wouldn't believe the stupid childish nitpicks these lil chip makers have with eachother behind the lil news posts.
Post by: lordvader129 on May 24, 2005, 11:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 01:46 AM)
To say Team Xecuter hasn't pulled the same "We know something you don't na-na-na-na boo-boo is BS because they have and seem to ALWAYS do.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on May 24, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
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This is funny.
I Modded a board the other day for someone and it was a 1.6b (so I thought) based on the pic in the thread posted earlier, it could have been their 1.7.
Anyway, if it is I can confirm M8+_16 works just fine.
All I can think is a change in ram (possibly Hynix on the "new" 1.4's?)
That would make them 1.4b's not 1.7's.
-nB
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: pablot on May 25, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
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I agree that its stupid to act like the SmarXX team did, but they are hardly unique are they?
How about that fix for X3 that xecuter promised that would not tie the LFrame to ground? Or the new rebuild board that would fix this? All teams bring out news about things they are gonna do before they do it.. And many times we don't see the final product.. Just like the "What I'm gonna do" topics in the case modding forums.. so don't be so naive.. xecuter has done exactly the same many times over but you seem to forget that..
But throwing dirt like the smartxx did this time was just stooopid..
/pablot
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: crewx on May 25, 2005, 01:47:00 AM
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Post by: networkBoy on May 24, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
I Modded a board the other day for someone and it was a 1.6b (so I thought) based on the pic in the thread posted earlier, it could have been their 1.7.
Anyway, if it is I can confirm M8+_16 works just fine.
All I can think is a change in ram (possibly Hynix on the "new" 1.4's?)
That would make them 1.4b's not 1.7's.
-nB
Post by: pablot on May 25, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
How about that fix for X3 that xecuter promised that would not tie the LFrame to ground? Or the new rebuild board that would fix this? All teams bring out news about things they are gonna do before they do it.. And many times we don't see the final product.. Just like the "What I'm gonna do" topics in the case modding forums.. so don't be so naive.. xecuter has done exactly the same many times over but you seem to forget that..
But throwing dirt like the smartxx did this time was just stooopid..
/pablot
Post by: crewx on May 25, 2005, 01:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 01:46 AM)
To say Team Xecuter hasn't pulled the same "We know something you don't na-na-na-na boo-boo is BS because they have and seem to ALWAYS do.
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Post by: crewx on May 25, 2005, 02:02:00 AM
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Post by: pablot on May 25, 2005, 02:22:00 AM
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true indeed.. And I did say that I think what they are dooing is stupid..
I'm done with this topic. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens. Think nB might be on the right track here.
/pablot
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 02:31:00 AM
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Hahaha, you sir are greatly mistaken, the only PM's I have sent to Team Xodus were about my prize money which they barely got off of when it was time to pay the contest winners and I can assure you that none of them were anything near nice until I heard they were payin up.
You, Team Xodus, Team SmartXX all share the same traits of selfish and greedy deeds and I continuously see you and Xodus coming and posting like your shit doesn't stink LOL You both announce things that never appear, you both steal other team's ideas and approaches and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that not one product of yours or any other team's have been for the "good" of the community but to fill your pockets.
Do you know how many dimwits out there see "your" bios' and say "Well hey, I guess I need a Xecuter chip to run that eh..." I'm pretty sure your sales figures will clearly prove me right.
None of you have played honest in inventing your own ways for this generation of chips, you all basically stole the ideas from Frodo of SmartXX for 70% of all of your guy's chip features yet both teams still shine it up and sell it as their own. Xenium Ice comes out and so does a Xecuter 3 CE the same color...Hrm, coincidence huh.
You win over the weak minded with your exuberant confidence and audacity while Xodus makes promises of grandure they can and will never keep, you are both alike whether you want to admit it or not.
ah man...the rotton things you guys do...haha I mean if only the community learned of some of you guys attempting or even selling ideas on how to clone competitors to people then that'd cause all sorts of uproar.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 04:19:00 AM
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Post by: crewx on May 25, 2005, 02:02:00 AM
QUOTE(pablot @ May 25 2005, 03:49 AM)
Post by: pablot on May 25, 2005, 02:22:00 AM
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they are trying to make it sound like the modchip hardware does not work when in reality its all about the OS
true indeed.. And I did say that I think what they are dooing is stupid..
I'm done with this topic. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens. Think nB might be on the right track here.
/pablot
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 02:31:00 AM
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like what exactley ?
crawl back under your rock xodus fanboy - ive read some of your private emails to xodus before - never in my life seen anything so ass kissing in all my life.
crawl back under your rock xodus fanboy - ive read some of your private emails to xodus before - never in my life seen anything so ass kissing in all my life.
Hahaha, you sir are greatly mistaken, the only PM's I have sent to Team Xodus were about my prize money which they barely got off of when it was time to pay the contest winners and I can assure you that none of them were anything near nice until I heard they were payin up.
You, Team Xodus, Team SmartXX all share the same traits of selfish and greedy deeds and I continuously see you and Xodus coming and posting like your shit doesn't stink LOL You both announce things that never appear, you both steal other team's ideas and approaches and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that not one product of yours or any other team's have been for the "good" of the community but to fill your pockets.
Do you know how many dimwits out there see "your" bios' and say "Well hey, I guess I need a Xecuter chip to run that eh..." I'm pretty sure your sales figures will clearly prove me right.
None of you have played honest in inventing your own ways for this generation of chips, you all basically stole the ideas from Frodo of SmartXX for 70% of all of your guy's chip features yet both teams still shine it up and sell it as their own. Xenium Ice comes out and so does a Xecuter 3 CE the same color...Hrm, coincidence huh.
You win over the weak minded with your exuberant confidence and audacity while Xodus makes promises of grandure they can and will never keep, you are both alike whether you want to admit it or not.
ah man...the rotton things you guys do...haha I mean if only the community learned of some of you guys attempting or even selling ideas on how to clone competitors to people then that'd cause all sorts of uproar.
Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 04:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 04:42 AM)
Do you know how many dimwits out there see "your" bios' and say "Well hey, I guess I need a Xecuter chip to run that eh..." I'm pretty sure your sales figures will clearly prove me right.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: nj12nets on May 25, 2005, 05:19:00 AM
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all companies and politicians i might add promise thnigs they can't keep. get used to it and get over it. this threads not about that. this thread is about smartxx knowing about a new xbox version supposedly and not telling anyone about it. but i also might say that ive never had a a problem flashing the ttsop after booting the chip. ive even deleted it to make room before and had no problem reflashing and using it.
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 05:25:00 AM
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Post by: nj12nets on May 25, 2005, 05:19:00 AM
QUOTE(cool_guy @ May 25 2005, 06:25 AM)
maybe xecuter will release that bios fix when xodus releases their os that can flash the tsop after the mod has booted (with no additional soldering), which will happen right after smartxx releases their live safe hard drives or whatever the hell that was about, which might happen after the xecuter replacement cases, after the first-party xodus lcd add on.
all companies and politicians i might add promise thnigs they can't keep. get used to it and get over it. this threads not about that. this thread is about smartxx knowing about a new xbox version supposedly and not telling anyone about it. but i also might say that ive never had a a problem flashing the ttsop after booting the chip. ive even deleted it to make room before and had no problem reflashing and using it.
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 05:25:00 AM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ May 25 2005, 12:30 PM)
hey, atleast they have made a bios and freely distributed it.. where are teamxodus's and smartxx's bios's?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
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Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 07:36 AM)
They didn't "make" a bios, they altered one to their liking if you remember. Team Xodus and SmartXX coded their own software for their chips from scratch using basically all lua so...what's harder, building ontop of something that's already done or building from ground 0. Anyways in order to succeed in the Xbox chip business in the first place they had to release bios' that added to the functionality of the box or they wouldn't move anymore chips, the market would become stagnant and then eventually someone would of come out with an improved bios that would only run on their chip...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ May 25 2005, 02:17 PM)
Stealing code from GPL Cromwell project...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 08:49:00 AM
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Sure Franz used GPL code in his OS but I think I can plead the "innocent based on stupidity" claim. He's such a cocky prick that he thought ANY code he had been a part of was automatically his to use...regardless of any GPL. It is true that if he had exclusively written it then fine it's ok and all but in many cases he was merely within the PROJECT and not the actual creator of some of the code. He was a dumbass.
Team Xodus never did this and in fact released part of their OS' source which indeed had GPL'd code for basic readouts and calling of I/O functions.
Plus...Hrmm...if I can remember right...a certain group used GPL'd LBA48 code in use of their release...I can't quite put my finger on the group hrmm...lemme think for a minute...Oh wait, I think you already know who I'm talking about.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: kezor on May 25, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
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Finally Thoughts
Franz = Shit
Xecuter > SmartXX
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on May 25, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
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And where is your proof anyway? PaulB did his homework before posting claims, you just keep shooting your mouth off.
Keep it up cheese_head, we need more entertainment.
-nB
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: cubbox on May 25, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
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Post by: PvtTolarian on May 25, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on May 25, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 08:49:00 AM
Team Xodus never did this and in fact released part of their OS' source which indeed had GPL'd code for basic readouts and calling of I/O functions.
Plus...Hrmm...if I can remember right...a certain group used GPL'd LBA48 code in use of their release...I can't quite put my finger on the group hrmm...lemme think for a minute...Oh wait, I think you already know who I'm talking about.
Post by: kezor on May 25, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
Franz = Shit
Xecuter > SmartXX
Post by: networkBoy on May 25, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
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Sure Franz used GPL code in his OS . . . He's such a cocky prick that he thought ANY code he had been a part of was automatically his to use...regardless of any GPL. . . He was a dumbass.
Add to that he is a malicious ass who intentionally leaked an unstable BIOS with the thought of damaging peoples Xboxes, just to prove a point.QUOTE
Team Xodus never did this and in fact released part of their OS' source which indeed had GPL'd code for basic readouts and calling of I/O functions.
as required by the GPL, they followed the rules, fine.QUOTE
Plus...Hrmm...if I can remember right...a certain group used GPL'd LBA48 code in use of their release...I can't quite put my finger on the group hrmm...lemme think for a minute...Oh wait, I think you already know who I'm talking about.
you mean Evox?, EVTool?, XBTool?, any BIOS currently out there other than retail?And where is your proof anyway? PaulB did his homework before posting claims, you just keep shooting your mouth off.
Keep it up cheese_head, we need more entertainment.
-nB
Post by: cubbox on May 25, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: PvtTolarian on May 25, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: networkBoy on May 25, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 05:00 PM)
Plus...Hrmm...if I can remember right...a certain group used GPL'd LBA48 code in use of their release...I can't quite put my finger on the group hrmm...lemme think for a minute...Oh wait, I think you already know who I'm talking about.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
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You've proved nothing but my point. Besidees, why don't you examine who you are arguing to and what about. You absolutly cannot stand for someone to release something that contains GPL code but you adore and would anally give yourself to someone who rips apart and renames encrypted copyright code? Double standards my fucking ass.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
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I mean if there truly is a v1.7 (which I doubt) why won't they at the least release some basic distinguishing information :S I still say it's a varient of 1.4 or yet another 1.6...If there truly is another version Xbox I don't think that Team Xodus would be able to release anything for it seeing how the latest OS barely runs on 1.6bs :S
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Wizkid1123 on May 25, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: mbratton on May 25, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
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my money's on it just being a 1.4 with hynix ram
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 25, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
I mean if there truly is a v1.7 (which I doubt) why won't they at the least release some basic distinguishing information :S I still say it's a varient of 1.4 or yet another 1.6...If there truly is another version Xbox I don't think that Team Xodus would be able to release anything for it seeing how the latest OS barely runs on 1.6bs :S
Post by: Wizkid1123 on May 25, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: mbratton on May 25, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on May 25, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(mbratton @ May 25 2005, 06:48 PM)
my money's on it just being a 1.4 with hynix ram
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
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Good point about other groups not denouncing SmartXX's claim...that does say a lot though I guess. I know for a fact though that Xecuter would have one in their lab though, they seem to have dozens upon dozens of boxes comin in almost every week...wierd.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: SniperKilla on May 25, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 10:32 PM)
Good point about other groups not denouncing SmartXX's claim...that does say a lot though I guess. I know for a fact though that Xecuter would have one in their lab though, they seem to have dozens upon dozens of boxes comin in almost every week...wierd.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
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To say that working on a v1.7 Xbox fix is unimportant for Xecuter is not true. If their chip in any way shape or form doesn't work with a new version, no matter how suttle it is different then it paralyses them from earning any money from those people that happen to get or have that version Xbox...Why would they turn down money?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: echto on May 25, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Code-Runner on May 25, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 25, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
To say that working on a v1.7 Xbox fix is unimportant for Xecuter is not true. If their chip in any way shape or form doesn't work with a new version, no matter how suttle it is different then it paralyses them from earning any money from those people that happen to get or have that version Xbox...Why would they turn down money?
Post by: echto on May 25, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Code-Runner on May 25, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
QUOTE(echto @ May 26 2005, 06:05 AM)
hrmm... I've been trying to hit up smartxx's website and can't. Maybe the site is being DDOS'd.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 26, 2005, 01:41:00 AM
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Post by: SniperKilla on May 26, 2005, 01:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Dangerously_Cheesy @ May 25 2005, 11:57 PM)
Actually, nope. No checks from them. I actually just really kept with the Xenium because I would install so many that I pretty much exclusively dealth with them...In the beginning of this year I felt pretty sad for Xodus seeing how they have pretty much retreated
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 26, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
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And if there is a v1.7 and Xecuter knows and has successfully verified their chip works on it then why now release news that SmartXX is a gaggle of morons and that their chip does indeed work on it? Either way you look at it, it doesn't make sense.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on May 26, 2005, 03:24:00 AM
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well its obvious that xecuter hasent heard/seen of this 1.7 seeing from his comments earlier
" its all about them being misleading with test reports on a supposed new xbox version"
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 26, 2005, 03:49:00 AM
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Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 26, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
And if there is a v1.7 and Xecuter knows and has successfully verified their chip works on it then why now release news that SmartXX is a gaggle of morons and that their chip does indeed work on it? Either way you look at it, it doesn't make sense.
Post by: SniperKilla on May 26, 2005, 03:24:00 AM
" its all about them being misleading with test reports on a supposed new xbox version"
Post by: Dangerously_Cheesy on May 26, 2005, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ May 26 2005, 11:35 AM)
well its obvious that xecuter hasent heard/seen of this 1.7 seeing from his comments earlier
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: thebroken on May 26, 2005, 06:35:00 AM
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bottom line is all the teams are full of bs
its just whos bs you buy
thebroken
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 26, 2005, 08:21:00 AM
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End of the day like many have said they probably got either:
1.4 with Hynix ram chips/strange ram timings - but then their chip may have been the only one with the 1.6b M8 bios on it and the others had only older bios's for samsung ram chips
or
They May have got a 1.5 in their workshop and perhaps their chip / install diagram for the " 1.7 " picked up the missing Ground / Vcc from elsewhere - or whatever the 2 missing points were on the LPC
or they got a 1.5 with hynix ram on it - Oh no - sorry that is the 1.8 mobo, silly me
End of the day most of the modchips do the same bloomin' job for 99% of the end users - just some have a few extra features than others
Never used a SmartXX myself - never found I needed to and if they can't fit a Xecuter chip or provide proper detailed test results/proof then i certainly wouldn't fucking trust their own install diagrams or anything else coz so far it seems to be all bollocks from SmartXX
Yes Xecuter made some strange statements about the 1.6's Lframe & all that but unless SmartXX can show us anything they are gonna be remebered for all the wrong reasons as the " modchip muppets " in my book
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 26, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
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well if it is a 1.4/1.5 with hynix RAM we would have no bios capable of running on it, the M8plus_1.6 only works on 1.6/1.6bs, not 1.4/1.5, and the M8plus_1.0-1.5 probably doesnt have the hynix timing in it
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: JEB-101 on May 26, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: The Zep Man on May 27, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
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Post by: thebroken on May 26, 2005, 06:35:00 AM
its just whos bs you buy
thebroken
Post by: Pizza Pizz on May 26, 2005, 08:21:00 AM
1.4 with Hynix ram chips/strange ram timings - but then their chip may have been the only one with the 1.6b M8 bios on it and the others had only older bios's for samsung ram chips
or
They May have got a 1.5 in their workshop and perhaps their chip / install diagram for the " 1.7 " picked up the missing Ground / Vcc from elsewhere - or whatever the 2 missing points were on the LPC
or they got a 1.5 with hynix ram on it - Oh no - sorry that is the 1.8 mobo, silly me
End of the day most of the modchips do the same bloomin' job for 99% of the end users - just some have a few extra features than others
Never used a SmartXX myself - never found I needed to and if they can't fit a Xecuter chip or provide proper detailed test results/proof then i certainly wouldn't fucking trust their own install diagrams or anything else coz so far it seems to be all bollocks from SmartXX
Yes Xecuter made some strange statements about the 1.6's Lframe & all that but unless SmartXX can show us anything they are gonna be remebered for all the wrong reasons as the " modchip muppets " in my book
Post by: lordvader129 on May 26, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: JEB-101 on May 26, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: The Zep Man on May 27, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(fasmanza @ May 26 2005, 10:11 PM)
48 Hours since smartxx "claimed" theres a 1.7 and still no word from them,or enay other group,I think we can now officially say: Theres no 1.7,and they only did it as a marketing scam... 
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: thedustycelt on May 27, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
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Dosn't this seem a little odd to you?
What are the chances that a development team would get a 1.7 before anyone else?
Usualy it is some poor noob that is posting on this sight, for the first time, saying "so I opened up this xbox and the board dosn't match any of the pics in the guides"...
sounds a little fishy to me....
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Bizquick on May 27, 2005, 10:45:00 PM
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I bet you all are right. I don't have much love for smartxx. I mean that guy leaked the M8 bios for the 1.6 beofre it was ready and caused peoples xboxs to fry. if MS did another video encoder I would be very shocked. Nvidia has stop production of the graphic chip so making a new encoder is point less. your not going to have much product to test it on. I bet its just a small change like the differance of a 1.4 to 1.5. MS will soon stop making xbox's because Nvidia has now stop production. the only think I could see and I doubt it would have happened. if some how they made a new xbox that used a ATI chip that emulated the nvidia spec's I hightly doubt that though knowing MS. Because that would cost them alot of money.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: pablot on May 31, 2005, 03:23:00 AM
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uhm... You can't tell an xbox-version by looking at the dvd-player.. no way..
You have to open it and/or check the kernel
/pablot
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 07:44:00 AM
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Post by: thedustycelt on May 27, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
What are the chances that a development team would get a 1.7 before anyone else?
Usualy it is some poor noob that is posting on this sight, for the first time, saying "so I opened up this xbox and the board dosn't match any of the pics in the guides"...
sounds a little fishy to me....
Post by: Bizquick on May 27, 2005, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: pablot on May 31, 2005, 03:23:00 AM
You have to open it and/or check the kernel
/pablot
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(netdroid9 @ May 31 2005, 05:24 AM)
I think I've found their '1.7'.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: cubbox on May 31, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Chancer on May 31, 2005, 10:06:00 AM
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I can not bring myself to trust a development team that find an X3 too hard to understand and fit. Sorry I don't believe it and reading their News page would put me off ever buying one of their products
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: oxjeremy334 on May 31, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
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What good is using a smartxx on a version 1.7 if you have no hacked bios that will work on a v1.7? If what Smartxx says is true, then I guess that you can have a v1.7 with a smartxx chip and a large hdd for a big external hdd that you can ftp to...Unless smartxx actually decides to make a hacked bios...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 10:57:00 AM
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Post by: cubbox on May 31, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on May 31, 2005, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: oxjeremy334 on May 31, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Bizquick @ May 31 2005, 11:54 AM)
I think its a 1.4 or 1.6 with a new video encoder because thats the only reason I could see why they would not share much info. if they did share then the other chips might get a jump on it and hack the video support fast than them. and I bet they want to be first. So in the mean time when some one gets a new xbox just be checking for anything new I doubt the board has changed. If this new board just had new memory SmartXX would have released that because they don't make BIOS's and that is what uses the memory. And I do know MS was working on some new video thing not long ago so this could be what they were working on. I would have to ask my friends about it.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: netdroid9 on June 01, 2005, 04:50:00 AM
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Post by: netdroid9 on June 01, 2005, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(pablot @ May 31 2005, 08:34 PM)
uhm... You can't tell an xbox-version by looking at the dvd-player.. no way..
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Bizquick on June 01, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
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Well I got a dumb question lets say its a new 1.4 with xcaluber video encoder and Hynix ram chips. wouldnt a 1.6 M8 Plus bios run on that?or lets say the video encoder stayed the same. all evox would have to do is take the focuse encoder info out of m8plu and stick that in 1.6m8plus be in either case I would think there would be very little work to make it work. I really don't think its hynix ram chips unless samsung is outsourcing thoes ram chips to them. because MS has a really tight contact with samsung for the next many years even with the new Xbox 360. its the only way they can get memory cheap enough so they don't loose too much money on this system.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 01, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
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the 1.4s and 1.6s have waaaay to many hardware differences for them to use the same kernel (its more than just ram and video encoder, the entire trace layout on teh board is different, so the signal timings are completely different, plus theres the xyclops chip instead of the TSOP, im sure the 3.3v to 5v standby changes some stuff too)
i think if this 1.7 actually exists (highly doubtful at this point) it would have to be either a slight revision of the 1.6 board (along the lines of 1.2 to 1.3, or 1.4 to 1.5) or an entirely new board altogether (again, doubtful that MS would make such a drastic change this late in the game)
and the 2004 philips in the 1.6s do read cd-r, at least the 4 ive come across read every cd-r i threw at them
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on June 01, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
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Actually the xyclops simply looks like an LPC chip to the box, so there is little difference there between 1.6 and previous revs.
The major differences are in the RAM timings for the Hynix and the video encoder.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on June 01, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
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Sure, but trace length isn't enough to affect timings enough to matter. typical propagation delay is ~ 1nS/foot on FR4 with good layout.
Trace lengths don't matter that much till you get into the higher frequencies (like the ram and CPU-GPU bus) The video signals themselves are relatively slow.
Things don't actually get harry untill you start breaking the GHz barrier or get below the 500mV/500MHz line.
-nB
Edit: Mind you I think that the SmartXX team is full of shit b/c they are being too secretive. Like I've already said, they have a 1.6 with yet another kind of ram, or a 1.4 with Hynix <-- my money's on that.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 01, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
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my money is still on them having jack shit, lol
although it would be funny to see aa '1.4b" with a higher retail kernel build than the 1.6, lol
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on June 02, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
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just fyi, they have 4x16meg chips.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 02, 2005, 08:59:00 PM
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Post by: Bizquick on June 01, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on June 01, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
i think if this 1.7 actually exists (highly doubtful at this point) it would have to be either a slight revision of the 1.6 board (along the lines of 1.2 to 1.3, or 1.4 to 1.5) or an entirely new board altogether (again, doubtful that MS would make such a drastic change this late in the game)
and the 2004 philips in the 1.6s do read cd-r, at least the 4 ive come across read every cd-r i threw at them
Post by: networkBoy on June 01, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
The major differences are in the RAM timings for the Hynix and the video encoder.
-nB
Post by: networkBoy on June 01, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
Trace lengths don't matter that much till you get into the higher frequencies (like the ram and CPU-GPU bus) The video signals themselves are relatively slow.
Things don't actually get harry untill you start breaking the GHz barrier or get below the 500mV/500MHz line.
-nB
Edit: Mind you I think that the SmartXX team is full of shit b/c they are being too secretive. Like I've already said, they have a 1.6 with yet another kind of ram, or a 1.4 with Hynix <-- my money's on that.
-nB
Post by: lordvader129 on June 01, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
although it would be funny to see aa '1.4b" with a higher retail kernel build than the 1.6, lol
Post by: heinrich on June 02, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on June 02, 2005, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Bizquick @ Jun 2 2005, 10:49 AM)
What ever is it is defiently got diffrent ram chips. My friend just got back from china. He knows that samsung has out scorced some work to a smaller company on older ram chips. This is MSs source for the ram chips they require. currently samsung is really busy on some thing diffrent that they are not producing that product much more. And another thing MS has slowed the production down on the Xbox that samsung doesn't want to spend the time to setup the machines to make such small runs for the a mounts of ram they are asking for.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: fasmanza on June 03, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
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Post by: fasmanza on June 03, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(STICKY_BUD @ Jun 4 2005, 01:17 AM)
http://www.smartxx.c...eadid=4418&sid=
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: pablot on June 03, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
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Post by: pablot on June 03, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
QUOTE(fasmanza @ Jun 4 2005, 01:34 AM)
Its officail Smartxx are the stupedist team out there,the board they cleym is a 1.7 is nothing but a 1.6 with filled vias,this is nothing new it has been discussed on the zenuim forums for a long time.....
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on June 03, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
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wow
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that's all I can say.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Avenger 2.0 on June 04, 2005, 04:49:00 AM
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BIG : http://www.smartxx.com/news/17.jpg
Source : http://www.smartxx.c...eadid=4418&sid=
Looks like the only difference from a v1.6 is a 'filled hole' that disables some no-solder modchips...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Chancer on June 04, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
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And that 2 inch section fo board is supposed to convince everyone. Huh
Whole board top and bottom or don't bother smartXX
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: kris785426 on June 04, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
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Post by: networkBoy on June 03, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
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that's all I can say.
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Post by: Avenger 2.0 on June 04, 2005, 04:49:00 AM
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As promised we release the picture of the 1.7 board.
shure maybe call it 1.6d or wtf - but we also have the 1.5 with just no power support Smile
What has changed ? Look yourself, feel the impression.
Even if we never promised to show the picture, we want to stop the pissing discussion.
shure maybe call it 1.6d or wtf - but we also have the 1.5 with just no power support Smile
What has changed ? Look yourself, feel the impression.
Even if we never promised to show the picture, we want to stop the pissing discussion.
BIG : http://www.smartxx.com/news/17.jpg
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For all the never trusters use any MD5 or SHA1 algo for hashing. For example use Hashtab from
www.xbins.ru -> Download -> Tools Section
ah, yes, btw.
if somebody belives, that this is a fake maybe you should read THIS !
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=401200
Belive us ! , this won't happen with Smartxx Support!
www.xbins.ru -> Download -> Tools Section
ah, yes, btw.
if somebody belives, that this is a fake maybe you should read THIS !
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=401200
Belive us ! , this won't happen with Smartxx Support!
Source : http://www.smartxx.c...eadid=4418&sid=
Looks like the only difference from a v1.6 is a 'filled hole' that disables some no-solder modchips...
Post by: Chancer on June 04, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
Whole board top and bottom or don't bother smartXX
Post by: kris785426 on June 04, 2005, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(heinrich @ Jun 3 2005, 01:33 AM)
just fyi, they have 4x16meg chips.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on June 04, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
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yes... the xbox's memory.. I was replying to the post above mine.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: nj12nets on June 04, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
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i reli dont see a difference
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 10:09:00 AM
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Post by: heinrich on June 04, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: nj12nets on June 04, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(kris785426 @ Jun 4 2005, 04:14 PM)
Maybe I am just blind here but I dont see any differance from a 1.6 board I just compared it too. What filled hole?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on June 04, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: hippo on June 04, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
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I told some guy maybe tiros that 1.6's has filled vias since before the spider chip came out.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 04, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
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the ltitle vias next to the LPC are covered with thick lacquer (weve been seeing these for a while at xbox-scene, no one thought anything of it)
personally ive been seeing boards with the lacquer on a bit thick since the 1.0s, its probably not even purposely done on MS's part
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
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Come to think of it I actually had a board that also had all the Via holes filled,it wasnt a 1.6 though,if I remember correctly it was a 1.3 or 1.4 ,didnt think twice of it,just installed a chip and it worked...
BTW Bizquick I would love to see some pics...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: menelik on June 04, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
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just a thaught:
we had a 1.5 just for the missing gnd and vcc, thats right. but as far as i can see this picture shows no technical change, just filling vias dont make a new version, well, its purpose could be a merchandise version, anyway.....i really dont know why the basic scientific rules arent followed, a picture it not a proof, and the sentence "[...] 1.7 is much more intelligent" doesnt make any sence at all. its kinda a really poor merchandie joke like a new car which is even more car then before...im sorry, but the way of scientific work are essential for a good discussion.
btw, from my point of view smartxx v2 is the best chip on the market in the higher class, i dont like xecuter chips as they are just too expensive.
i got a aladdin in my box, is enough for me, im waitig for the xchanger v3 with 1mb support, this chip is a awesome piece of work and is really cheap.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
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Post by: heinrich on June 04, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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Memory Controller - SDRAM - Samsung K4D263238M-QC50 133mHz 16mb
Post by: hippo on June 04, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on June 04, 2005, 01:37:00 PM
personally ive been seeing boards with the lacquer on a bit thick since the 1.0s, its probably not even purposely done on MS's part
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
BTW Bizquick I would love to see some pics...
Post by: menelik on June 04, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
we had a 1.5 just for the missing gnd and vcc, thats right. but as far as i can see this picture shows no technical change, just filling vias dont make a new version, well, its purpose could be a merchandise version, anyway.....i really dont know why the basic scientific rules arent followed, a picture it not a proof, and the sentence "[...] 1.7 is much more intelligent" doesnt make any sence at all. its kinda a really poor merchandie joke like a new car which is even more car then before...im sorry, but the way of scientific work are essential for a good discussion.
btw, from my point of view smartxx v2 is the best chip on the market in the higher class, i dont like xecuter chips as they are just too expensive.
i got a aladdin in my box, is enough for me, im waitig for the xchanger v3 with 1mb support, this chip is a awesome piece of work and is really cheap.
Post by: fasmanza on June 04, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(menelik @ Jun 4 2005, 11:08 PM)
just a thaught:
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 04, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
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Post by: lordvader129 on June 04, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(fasmanza @ Jun 4 2005, 04:53 PM)
Come to think of it I actually had a board that also had all the Via holes filled,it wasnt a 1.6 though,if I remember correctly it was a 1.3 or 1.4 ,didnt think twice of it,just installed a chip and it worked...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: 110100100 on June 04, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
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Post by: 110100100 on June 04, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
QUOTE(thebroken @ Jun 4 2005, 11:22 PM)
THIS goes out to smartxx
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on June 04, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
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Post by: SniperKilla on June 04, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(menelik @ Jun 4 2005, 05:08 PM)
btw, from my point of view smartxx v2 is the best chip on the market in the higher class, i dont like xecuter chips as they are just too expensive.
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Infamous_One on June 04, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
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Post by: Infamous_One on June 04, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
QUOTE(nj12nets @ Jun 4 2005, 05:33 PM)
i reli dont see a difference
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: networkBoy on June 04, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
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Post by: networkBoy on June 04, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
QUOTE(thebroken @ Jun 4 2005, 11:22 PM)
THIS goes out to smartxx
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: Australian Rat on June 04, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
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Post by: Australian Rat on June 04, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
QUOTE(networkBoy @ Jun 5 2005, 12:00 PM)
Here's my shot at it now that I've got my voice back:
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: appleguru on June 04, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
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Hmm.. I have to wonder what they were thinking with this one.. and I also have to wonder why they were reporting other chips as "not working"...
LMAO.. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: zanga on June 05, 2005, 07:36:00 AM
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and now look at this picture!
you can see the div. things?
No-Solder dosnt work on this board :
the contacts....not the LPC : ))))
note: the blank points:
"those were free-scratched" (goole-translation...sorry)
have fun
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: heinrich on June 05, 2005, 07:46:00 AM
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Yes, the vias are filled/coated, whatever. Why does this require that anything be added to the smartxxOS?
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on June 05, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: carnag3uk on June 05, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
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Post by: appleguru on June 04, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
Hmm.. I have to wonder what they were thinking with this one.. and I also have to wonder why they were reporting other chips as "not working"... LMAO.. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life
Post by: zanga on June 05, 2005, 07:36:00 AM
and now look at this picture!
you can see the div. things?
No-Solder dosnt work on this board :
the contacts....not the LPC : ))))
note: the blank points:
"those were free-scratched" (goole-translation...sorry)
have fun
Post by: heinrich on June 05, 2005, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: SniperKilla on June 05, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
Post by: carnag3uk on June 05, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(networkBoy @ Jun 5 2005, 04:00 AM)
Here's my shot at it now that I've got my voice back:
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: nachomans on June 05, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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Maybe some suckers want to call it 1.7...so they could tell....sorry..if you have an 1.7 you have to do some things to make solder less compatible....
The really true...is..sorry...your solderless adapters are not 100% compatible with 1.6x...
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: SniperKilla on June 05, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
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all that was needed on the newspost was:
This is the md5 of smartxx's intelligence.. As you can see the hash returned a NULL value
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Title: 1.7 Xbox & Smartxx ?
Post by: lordvader129 on June 05, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
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Post by: nachomans on June 05, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Maybe some suckers want to call it 1.7...so they could tell....sorry..if you have an 1.7 you have to do some things to make solder less compatible....
The really true...is..sorry...your solderless adapters are not 100% compatible with 1.6x...
Post by: SniperKilla on June 05, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
This is the md5 of smartxx's intelligence.. As you can see the hash returned a NULL value
Post by: lordvader129 on June 05, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Bizquick @ Jun 6 2005, 12:50 AM)
I think all this crap is funny. The only reason I think SmartXX said that they didn't try a X3 chip because it was to hard for them. I think they really didn't want to say anything bad about Team Excuter. And the only reason I say this is. Team Excuter actualy makes Bios's that run on there chips. SmartXX doesn't make a BIOS neither does Team Xodus. (I like team Xodus because I use their chips in most of my installs unless the person has very little money) But SmartXX guys are crazy. I don't know any other company that can release new hardware versions so offten. I mean look they made a chip orange for Halloween. I mean thats almost a joke. the chip didn't do anything more special than the current one. It didn't come with anythign diffrent Just orange. I know you might say the same about The Xenium. but it did actualy come flashed with the newer OS and some new wires and a USB thing. So it was a little diffrent but to be honest I have a Blue one and run the new os. So I don't know. But both thoes groups really don't have any feet to stand one they can only make a Flashing OS not a Bios that runs the chip.