Post by: xfiendx on November 09, 2004, 05:01:00 PM
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Post by: bman1605 on November 09, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
i paid for halo2, waited in line at midnight for it..... this is bs!!!
i am pissed off i had HD locked and mod chip off....
Post by: Nillaz on November 09, 2004, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: Kamakazie on November 09, 2004, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: bman1605 on November 09, 2004, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: LeadHead on November 09, 2004, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: XLNC on November 09, 2004, 09:19:00 PM
Has anybody here upgraded to another larger HD from their previous one, this will also get you banned.
How many people haven't been banned? <
Post by: ScoopyBadBoy on November 09, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: bman1605 on November 09, 2004, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: bman1605 on November 09, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: golightning on November 09, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (bman1605 @ Nov 10 2004, 12:48 AM) |
| does anyone know whats up? |
Look at the Sticky threads in this section. Shanafan posted a nice summary of what is going on.
Post by: Mr.Big on November 09, 2004, 10:13:00 PM
modchip off (xenium ice), 120gb hd, and yea my c partition probably had a few extra files on it if that helps...
i would kick every M$ employee right in the face
MrBig <
Post by: golightning on November 09, 2004, 10:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mr.Big @ Nov 10 2004, 01:05 AM) |
| yea i tried to go online with halo 2, said it couldnt connect, went to network troubleshooter and it said i had modified hardware... modchip off (xenium ice), 120gb hd, and yea my c partition probably had a few extra files on it if that helps... i would kick every M$ employee right in the face MrBig |
Same story for me. I'm 110% sure I booted the original retail bios, b/c the only other bios i use is the Xecuter2 4981 live blocking bios. I waited in line for 3 hours to get Halo 2, and now I can't even play it online!
AAARRRRGGGGHHH <
Post by: heinrich on November 09, 2004, 09:09:00 PM
0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo"
0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion"
0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber"
0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber"
etc
Post by: golightning on November 09, 2004, 09:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Nov 10 2004, 01:12 AM) |
| Anyone bothered to check the halo2 .xbe ? 0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo" 0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion" 0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber" 0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber" etc |
Whoa. Nice work.
Post by: bagofice on November 09, 2004, 09:13:00 PM
This post has been edited by bagofice: Nov 10 2004, 05:14 AM
Post by: Veryn on November 09, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: Mr.Big on November 09, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
...so much waiting in the cold happened last night...
Post by: dfroot on November 09, 2004, 09:30:00 PM
But wait, I still have never changed my harddrive. It is still stock and I have never done anything to it but add evox to the C and programs to E. Or maybe it could be me reflashing my eeprom 7 times. hmm.... lol. Im gonna try the harddrive swap method and pray i dont have to buy another box.
Post by: tommyam on November 09, 2004, 09:32:00 PM
This may be the only sure fire way of not getting banned... IMO they have no way of detecting a chip that is off... everything else is stock, bios, hd, everything... so, maybe this is the ticket?
Post by: deacon187 on November 09, 2004, 09:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Nov 9 2004, 11:12 PM) |
| Anyone bothered to check the halo2 .xbe ? 0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo" 0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion" 0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber" 0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber" etc |
so with this being found, would it be safe to say if you leave your stock drive in but format an F: partition so you can at least put your apps on there, its a good possibility that you wont be banned
Post by: dfroot on November 09, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: Skwalin on November 09, 2004, 09:40:00 PM
what does this mean?
| QUOTE |
| heinrich Posted on Nov 9 2004, 08:12 PM Anyone bothered to check the halo2 .xbe ? 0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo" 0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion" 0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber" 0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber" etc |
What is it checking?
or does anybody know?
Post by: dfroot on November 09, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
One more reason for me to hate bungie.
Post by: manobano on November 09, 2004, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: dfroot on November 09, 2004, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: wagner on November 09, 2004, 10:02:00 PM
I don't even have the game and never downloaded the pirated copy and I was banned today, as have many others who never even touched Halo 2.
It may not have anything to do with a recent game. MS probably had your named on file for months and chose today to ban.
I think it's safe to say, if you have a mod chip in your Xbox, MS has found a way to find you, regardless of whether you have a stock drive or a 250 GB drive, or whether your mod chip is on or off.
Post by: LeadHead on November 09, 2004, 10:12:00 PM
if there is any slight chance at all that we can fix this without having to get another xbox, somebody better start crackin. ither that or hack into MS's xbox ban list...
Post by: Skwalin on November 09, 2004, 10:05:00 PM
does anybody have the skills to find this out, it could just be checking the serial #, or maybe it's checking the contents..... Frenchy version saves?
If somebody can say what exaclty it's checking, there may be a way around it after all....
Post by: Skwalin on November 09, 2004, 10:14:00 PM
The point is that we need to find out what it's checking, therefore why we canfind out how we can/did get banned. Thusly fixing all our problems.
Post by: Edwin on November 09, 2004, 10:20:00 PM
- The bans issued in the past two or so days have been for SEVERAL reasons. Not just one.
- EEPROM mismatching. If you changed your EEPROM after signing on LIVE then their database has something different than your xbox.
- French save games. Think about it. Will they ban everyone with a French game? Maybe till it is release over there. Also look in your save game manager of your xbox. It has the time stamp and date of when your profile was created. Obviously if yours is dated before the release of the French version a ban is coming. Keep in mind those who don't have their clocks set maybe off the hook as they probably took this into consideration.
- Monthly (bi-monthly?) routine banning of those they had a backlog of xbox's to ban.
- As stated above and in several other threads, HDD sizes do not matter, playing Halo 2 doesn't matter (some where banned with Wolf, Mechassault, ESPN, Madden). One thing is uncertain for sure. Those who have been banned have not stated for the record wether or not they played/have/saved a profile/game save of the Halo 2 leak.
- Stuff on the actual HDD (roms, emulators, xbmc, games, dashboards) do not matter.
Post by: tribefiend on November 09, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
I have a 160gb hdd in my xbox. I got home tonight to play halo 2 and I disconnected my network. I set the settings to not logon within the dashboard. Played offline for a few minutes. When I went to sign on with the game in and the chip off I got the update screen. proceeded to update.
I then had the sense to check here and see what was going on with bannings. At this point I have not signed onto live yet. Except for update. Then I swapped out my large hd for my stock untouched hd. Went back in and connected, got the update screen again.
I am currently on live right now.
I will post back reporting the status of my banning...which I hope won't be.
Post by: tricksterg on November 09, 2004, 10:35:00 PM
this thread has nothing but no progress. I've gone through 3 eeproms in the past 24 hours.
this shit is really pissing me off. gimme some live w/ out worrying. I'm compiling a list of possible reasons why banning occurs.
1. That code from Halo 2. Which needs to be explained. I don't know anything about hexadecimal. But I'm sure banning has to do w/ XBOX hardware info.
halo2.xbe
0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo"
0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion"
0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber"
0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber"
2. Hard Drive (partitioning, non-retail files stored on those partitions, Serial number (btw mine is all zeroes)
3. Previous detection of non-retail bios (flagged by M$)
4. MAC address flagging
5. Flagged, Logged of previous "MODIFIED XBOX ERROR"
Also i'm creating a list of possible real solutions.
1. Get another Xbox solely for Live (I don't want to do this at all although this is why it's at the top of the list becauase right now it seems like the most real solution, and i'll stop wasting money on unbanned eeproms.)
2. Retail HDD swap. (could this be feasable? what is XboxHardwareInfo does it look for a correlating stock eeprom & retail HDD?)
Someone reply saying they swapped their retail hdd in and no banning. I wonder if live also logs your HalDiskSerialNumber (halo disk serial number) also preventing you to sign onto live with a new xbox. i'll figure you out bungie/M$. it's not over you sneaky bitches.
Post by: mrjkwik on November 09, 2004, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: Veryn on November 09, 2004, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: onesikgypo on November 09, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
looks like the apcolypse of xbox live with a modded xbox, ok ive been lookin around, and it looks like these are the main reasons- Halo 2 are looking for changed EPROMS etc, so if you havent been banned yet thay means ur still ok right?
- Checking HardDrive for French Save - alirhgt so its lookin for french saves, well ne1 who is dumb enough to still have this on their xbox after readin this should b banned (lol maybe a bit harsh) but thats all i can say about that, if you havent touched the leaked french version u should b OK right?
- Checking harddrives for software - ok some ppl are keeping their dashboard etc in the E:\ so if we move these files to the F:\ it will be harder for M$ to find them.
-Checking Harddrives - Ok this 4th one is the fact that they are searching the harddrives to see if their stock or not, so really if you havent got the stock harddrive, ur probably screwed. Now this is a bit i dont understand if you formated your stock harddrive to get the 'f' drive, does that mean its not stock nemore...
cant think of much more but thats my 2 cents worth
Post by: Skwalin on November 09, 2004, 11:03:00 PM
To sum up, have the people who have been banned ever played Halo2 with your modchip on, or has it only been with your chip off?
Post by: onesikgypo on November 09, 2004, 11:17:00 PM
Like if its makin another file in the c:\ saying that the user has a modded xbox or different EPROM or wuteva, then if someone finds this file and edits it to say this xbox doesnt have a mod in it it might save us.
THIS IS ONLY A THEORY ON WHAT SKWALIN HAS SAID
Post by: ximian on November 09, 2004, 11:36:00 PM
And I was using a 2 month free trial that I setup yesterday (and played yesterday).
PAL v1.6
Executer 3 (BIOS v1957) LPC Rebuild
120GB HDD (formatted using Slayer's 2.6 Final).
Post by: MogKnight on November 09, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
Post by: onesikgypo on November 10, 2004, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: bearauto on November 10, 2004, 01:11:00 AM
Post by: CalifLove on November 10, 2004, 01:11:00 AM
I have 2 Xbox's. Both with X 2.1 Chips w/ Switches installed.
Xbox #1 has a 160gb HDD with a buncha extra crap on it (EMUS, XBMC, MP3's etc). It also has copies of games I have purchased (and not purchased to be honest)
This Xbox has worked fine on Live with Madden 05 (The only Live game I have). I have NEVER even turned the XBox on w/ The Chip turned on and the Ethernet cable plugged in.
Xbox #2 has stock HDD and has never been on-line ever - Never connected to the Internet. It only has copies of games that I have purchased.
So. I believe in theory here that if I delete all the NON MS files and directories from Xbox #2 HDD there should be absolutly no way for MS to know to Ban this box correct?
As for Xbox 1. So far I guess my best bet is to hope that box is not ALREADY on the "To Be Banned" list (if there is such a thing). And be sure to get rid of any files/directories that tip off that the Xbox has been modded. Which brings me to another question. IF in fact they are seeking out non "stock" files to flag modded boxes would there be such a way to "Hide" said files from the scan. Such as flagging a given file or directory hidden or what not. I am not sure what all the Xbox File system supports but that may be an idea??
In the morning I will break out the old Xbox (Xbox #2) and get it all stock again and try to login to live through HAlo2 and see what happens... Until then Wish me luck! :-)
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 01:34:00 AM
GOod luck to you all.
Post by: savah on November 10, 2004, 02:03:00 AM
I've got an x3 and a stock HDD... tomorrow (europe) i'm getting my hands on the game so more results about modchip and stock HDD are coming up...
Let see.....
Post by: savah on November 10, 2004, 02:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (LBueno @ Nov 10 2004, 11:23 AM) |
| ............. It seems that all the posts I read about folks getting banned have something to do with having an upgraded HD. On another note, I recall seeing a disclosure for sending our personal information over Live. It could be possible that by agreeing to do this you could be agreeing to have your system scanned? This is just a hunch but you never know. At this point any ideas are relevant. HTH |
What is being quoted i think is very important....and i strongly believe that is the reason of why so many people got eventually banned from live... M$ has just implemented what they were warning us... upgraded HDD and Live! cant go together...
Now for the second part of the quote... do u remember where did u find this info??? It would be nice if we all switch it off if we still havent...
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 02:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (ximian @ Nov 10 2004, 10:53 AM) |
| Did you change anything else? |
no man sorry, i played h2 and i'm on live fine
. If u have any other questions give me a hall
Post by: bagofice on November 10, 2004, 03:26:00 AM
Post by: dherman on November 10, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
I did cancel my live account last night, but I am seriously considering buying a 2nd xbox for live use only.
Dave
Post by: Noiz on November 10, 2004, 05:19:00 AM
1) EEPROMS are being compared with previous logins and banned if changed.
or
2) Hard drive serials are being compared and banned if changed.
Why? Because by design you're allowed to copy your Live account to other Xboxes and login from there. Both the EEPROM and HD serials would be different from these boxes. That is unless they're checking and comparing both to eachother...
Possible scenario:
Login with stock HD and EEPROM, both are recorded.
Change HD
Login again. The EEPROM from the first login is found to have a mismatched HD serial. That could be grounds for a banning.
So in theory if you change your EEPROM at the same time as your HD then you'll be fine. Or don't login to Live at all with any Xbox until after you've upgraded the HD. Of course they could also check the HD model as stock boxes probably use a very limited batch of different models.
I have 2 modded boxes, both with upgraded HDs so I'll report any bannings I get when I get the game tomorrow.
Post by: onesikgypo on November 10, 2004, 05:29:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I am confused here... Why is everyone balking at spending $150 to get a new dedicated live XBOX? I bought a new video card for my PC for Doom 3 and Half life 2. That was a hell of a lot more than $150. I did cancel my live account last night, but I am seriously considering buying a 2nd xbox for live use only. Dave |
you have to remember not everyone wants to spend that much money on games i know id neva pay 150+ bux just for 1 game. Also itll be good to know how to PREVENT this not a SOLUTION for it. SO keep goin guys, were bound to crack wut m$ is doing anytime now.
Also i recommend we do some experiments, for each theory, there may be alotta ppl in this 'experiment' but it may narrow wut m$ is doing gr8ly
im goin 2 bed now, cyaz 2morrow
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 05:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (tricksterg @ Nov 10 2004, 07:38 AM) |
| Someone reply saying they swapped their retail hdd in and no banning. I wonder if live also logs your HalDiskSerialNumber (halo disk serial number) also preventing you to sign onto live with a new xbox. i'll figure you out bungie/M$. it's not over you sneaky bitches. |
"Hal" probably stands for HAL, or Hardware Abstraction Layer, Krnl would be Kernel (aka BIOS).
IE, the model and serial number of the HD. This is a problem if they're scanning for your HD model number and banning HDs they don't ship.
I haven't connected H2 to XBL yet... damn... was so looking forward to it to
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 06:16:00 AM
When you go on XBL with an XBox MS marries your EEPROM to your HD serial in their database.
If at anytime in the future that marriage is broken (ie EEPROM or HD is changed, but not both) then the EEPROM is banned (and possibly the HD too!)
(there is now a separate topic for this theory here http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!)
...
A solution would thus be to swap both EEPROM and HD (bummer, but just put your big Xbox HD in your computer and get another big HD)
BUT, the problem is, does Halo2 take this further? Does H2 scan model numbers? If H2 scans model numbers and reports them to MS then they can also ban you if your HD model is not one they use in Xboxes... and this is the killer.
So, based on what I can see
1) if you are going to use an Xbox on Live and you want to upgrade its HD, Upgrade its HD *BEFORE* you take it on Live for the first time
2) currently rumours : if you have an upgraded HD *do not* go on live with H2!!!
2 needs to be tested unfortunately. Someone who has fine access with every other XBL game and as far as Live knows always had the same eeprom and HD (upgraded of course) needs to go on Live with H2 and see if they get banned... and if they do that sucks.
if 2 happens then we have 2 options
* buy a new xbox or downgrade back to stock
* get a new virgin (to XBL) eeprom (because the old eeprom and HD were married)
and everyone else has to either use an XBL stock Xbox, or a modded xbox with dual-drives, one with stock, one without, and always go on live with the stock drive, from the very beginning.
sucky poo.
(luckily, it appears "2" doesn't happen
)...
UPDATE:
There seem to be enough confirmations to say that my main theory is correct, and also that H2 is not banning people based on HD model numbers.
So, from what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 06:23:00 AM
SHIT, anyone wanna buy a brand new xbox with xenium chip, 200 gig hdd??? or the other one in my sig, they are both sweet. let me know PM ME.
This post has been edited by nezff: Nov 10 2004, 02:37 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 06:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (nezff @ Nov 10 2004, 03:19 PM) |
| man, guys, i hate to say it, but i got the error message also. I played yesterday with some buddies on xblive, and everything was fine. i went to xenium OS and loaded retail bios, and everything was fine, today i did it and NO GO, it gave me the error message:Error Message: "Your Xbox console cannot communicate with Xbox Live because the software or hardware may have been modified" SHIT, anyone wanna buy a brand new xbox with xenium chip, 200 gig hdd??? |
nezff, the first time you went on Live with that Xbox did you have an upgraded HD or not?
I still haven't seen anyone confirm they got banned from Live, were never banned before, and their xbox had never been live before they upgraded the HD (ie Live never saw their HD swap)... but I also haven't read every post
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (nezff @ Nov 10 2004, 03:35 PM) |
| umm no. i bought this one for xblive strictly. went on xblive a long time ago with it. i don't think i have been banned. so i might go get a new xbox today. and ill update and let u know if it worked. |
So, you went on XBL with a stock HD, then upgraded the HD to 200GB... and now you're banned
That just confirms my first theory
If you get a new box you might as well not upgrade its HD... but if you *did* want to work this out, you could upgrade the HD (you need a new one probably) before you go on to Live for the first time.
Post by: C_Ripper on November 10, 2004, 06:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 10 2004, 02:19 PM) |
| My current theory. When you go on XBL with an XBox MS marries your EEPROM to your HD serial in their database. If at anytime in the future that marriage is broken (ie EEPROM or HD is changed, but not both) then the EEPROM is banned (and possibly the HD too!) |
What about when a hard drive in a system dies under warranty and M$ replaces it? If there was some sort of marriage made then that unmodded xbox wouldn't work. Plus there are probably tons of people that have replaced their drives (on out of warranty systems) themselves with parts purchased from Ebay and are running unmodded.
I'm putting money on the fact that they are either scanning the whole drive and seeing if it's partitioned differently than original, scanning the C and E drives for files that don't belong, or both.
My $0.02.
Post by: Dra60nSlayer on November 10, 2004, 06:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Nov 10 2004, 06:12 AM) |
| Anyone bothered to check the halo2 .xbe ? 0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo" 0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion" 0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber" 0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber" etc |
My teory is that:
0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo"
0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion"
Is used to determin if dash needs to be updated to play Halo2 on this xbox IE run dashupdate.xbe
And this part:
0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber"
0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber"
is used to determin if it will load a payed "downloadeble content"
(you can only use it on the xbox you used when you payed for it)
Did anyone checked another game xbe?
This post has been edited by Dra60nSlayer: Nov 10 2004, 02:49 PM
Post by: pingrr on November 10, 2004, 06:51:00 AM
Hopfully they just record the eprom and hdd serial number when you originally sighn on. So as long as they always match your fine.
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 10, 2004, 06:58:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 07:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (C_Ripper @ Nov 10 2004, 03:41 PM) |
| What about when a hard drive in a system dies under warranty and M$ replaces it? If there was some sort of marriage made then that unmodded xbox wouldn't work. Plus there are probably tons of people that have replaced their drives (on out of warranty systems) themselves with parts purchased from Ebay and are running unmodded. |
When MS replaces your HD, they can divorce the old one.
You can't replace the HD on an unmodded system without using a mod or soft-exploit or something lock the HD. So this is not something normal people are getting done.
| QUOTE |
| I'm putting money on the fact that they are either scanning the whole drive and seeing if it's partitioned differently than original, scanning the C and E drives for files that don't belong, or both. |
Unfortunately, there are many many people who can disprove that theory, I don't think anyone can currently disprove mine.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 06:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (pingrr @ Nov 10 2004, 03:47 PM) |
| I have a 250gb hdd and yesterday was the first time I went on live. The account was even set up yesterday. Everythin gworked fine for the 1 1/2 I played. I will report back when I get off work to let you know If it banned me or not. Hopfully they just record the eprom and hdd serial number when you originally sighn on. So as long as they always match your fine. |
Yes, that is what I hope
Looking forward to your results
Post by: ynot on November 10, 2004, 07:02:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 07:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (ynot @ Nov 10 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| I myself have extra files on my Xbox for media services and have only gone onto live once with a stock hard drive and a chip disabled. I haven't tried to log back into live as of yet, but as soon as I do I will certainly post if I have been banned or not. This will kind of help to find out if they are actually searching for the .XBE files or not since other than those and the chip my box is stock. |
Looking forward to your results too, if you don't get banned, it means we can probably put the "dirty hd" possible red-herring to bed
)PS: I do think that if you use online cheats then you're asking to get banned
Post by: BobBrkersMyHero on November 10, 2004, 07:21:00 AM
i do however have dvd2xbox in my apps on E:/ and original halo in games on E:/
i am going to play it when i get home from school on live and i'll report how it goes...before then does anyone have an idea what might keep me from getting banned?
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 07:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (C_Ripper @ Nov 10 2004, 04:16 PM) |
| Not that I can prove anything but I'm sure they aren't divorcing the harddrive-EEPROM from one another... Do you realize how far removed the Xbox repair service department and the Xbox Live service are from one another? That process would be a nightmare. Not that they couldn't do it, but it'd be a huge pain in the ass. |
no, it would be automatic
All they would need to do is enter the SN from the xbox into a database and the program would do it.
I'm sure they *do* enter the SN into a Database... and the programming would be trivial... it *is* MS we're talking about here you know... you know... the world's largest software manufacturer.
| QUOTE |
Also, did you read what I posted? I'm not talking about after market hard drives. I'm talking about taking an original, M$, already locked drive from one system and putting it into another system which had drive failure. While this is voiding the warranty on the hardware itself, it's certainly no grounds for Xbox Live banning. |
Yes, I read what you said, and that wouldn't work, you can't use an HD from one xbox in another xbox, unless you first unlock it in the original xbox, then relock it in the new xbox.
They are banning people who change their Xbox's HD *after* they first connect that Xbox to XBL. This is pretty much fact now.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 07:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (BobBrkersMyHero @ Nov 10 2004, 04:24 PM) |
| alright i just got an X3 like 6 days ago..so i havent got around to switching out the HDD yet...i played on live all day yesterday and didnt get banned i do however have dvd2xbox in my apps on E:/ and original halo in games on E:/ i am going to play it when i get home from school on live and i'll report how it goes...before then does anyone have an idea what might keep me from getting banned? |
When you upgrade the HD, replace your EEPROM too.
If you do one or the other, but not both, I suspect you will get banned.
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: christ123 on November 10, 2004, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (christ123 @ Nov 10 2004, 10:42 AM) |
| i modded my xbox about 6 months ago with a 120gb and got halo 2 and live yesterday. played it for about 8 hours with lots of signing in and out and i'm fine! no ban as yet. my C: is not stock looking and has heaps of apps on it |
ok so u signed in for the FIRST time with the updated hdd? if so, then this might be the reason for the bannings. are u still playing today with it without problems???
Post by: christ123 on November 10, 2004, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: ovis on November 10, 2004, 07:55:00 AM
I'm a long time lurker and hope some of what I have to say can/will help....
timeline.......
1) Bought v1.0 xbox in 2002
2) Installed matrix in Nov 2002 (no HD upgrade)
3) Got Xbox Live in Jan 2003, playing online, using eject trick (still no HD upgrade)
4) Upgraded HD to 80gb in Oct 2003 and also added a switch to turn off Matrix and upgraded bios to prevent xbox from signing on to xbox live when matrix is enabled.
5) XBox live account expired in Feb 2004.
6) Created another Xbox live account in March 2004
7) Have NEVER been banned
8) C: is clean but have loads of stuff on E:
9) Have never run pre-release or pirated H2
I was able to go online on the 5th oF Nov. Haven't tried to since then. Haven't got H2 as yet. Also I am in the UK.
What are your thoughts? mine are....
1) I think the Eprom-HDD marriage hypothesis can be PROVED if I dont get banned
2) Dirty HD (with extra .xbe) is given support if I get banned.
3) Hard disk model/serial number not matching stock theory is given support if I get banned
4) Hard disk size being sent theory is given support if I get banned
I will get H2 retail in the next 2 days, I can't check my xbox for the next 1-2 days either. I will get back to this thread/forum with what happens..
thanks
Post by: pike-old on November 10, 2004, 08:03:00 AM
I suspect that using whatever methods they do use, that MS have been gathering the relevant info for months about modded Xbox. They then used the launch of Halo 2 as the perfect opportunity to bring the bans into action. Tens of thousands of gamers are now shafted and will have to spend dosh on new boxes or workrounds, when what they really want to be doing is playing Halo 2 online. Regardless of the rights and wrongs, you have to admire MSs up front cheek with the timing, given the clamour and anticipation for Halo 2.
You've waited 3 years and then BANG, game over!
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (pike @ Nov 10 2004, 11:06 AM) |
| You've waited 3 years and then BANG, game over! |
what gets me is, people either will get a new xbox and keep their live accounts or MS will loose money if people all together just say shit on xblive and go play xbconnect. just as good IMO.
Post by: solid7x2 on November 10, 2004, 08:30:00 AM
just m 2 cents
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 08:32:00 AM
{neil}get a new xbox?
{Aris}yes
{neil}ok
{Aris}because you cannot use that console in Xbox anymore
{neil}what about my xbox live account
{Aris}you can use it in case you buy a new console
{neil}ok so my account is still ok, not banned or anything
{Aris}yes, it is still ok
{neil}how will i know if it is not terminated
{Aris}it will not be terminated unless you request for the cancellation
{neil}is live checking for upgraded hard drives or bad files or what
{Aris}yes, they are checking if the console is modifed
MS Chat with a REP. there u go.
Post by: OpenXbox on November 10, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (christ123 @ Nov 10 2004, 04:42 PM) |
| i modded my xbox about 6 months ago with a 120gb and got halo 2 and live yesterday. played it for about 8 hours with lots of signing in and out and i'm fine! no ban as yet. my C: is not stock looking and has heaps of apps on it |
Remember it does take about 24hrs to get banned.
But I believe you should be okay
Post by: solid7x2 on November 10, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (the_bond @ Nov 10 2004, 04:50 PM) |
| I was banned previously with the modified error. To get rid of that i used a fresh Eeprom and used my stock HD. Got rid of anything from its C:\ and E:\ that was suspicious and brought it to the factory condition. I m booting from F:\. For the time being i dont have any applications or so in order to prevent unknown and strange game saves. I m trying to be on a safer side. I have been online after this without getting banned. I've been playing Halo 2 ever since its been out. Also i m using my original GT. |
Okay, so when you were banned previously, were you using a different HD, and then when you replaced your eeprom you swapped back to the stock drive?
How long ago did you get banned?
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (ovis @ Nov 10 2004, 04:58 PM) |
| Hi Gumbo and everyone else, I'm a long time lurker and hope some of what I have to say can/will help.... timeline....... 1) Bought v1.0 xbox in 2002 2) Installed matrix in Nov 2002 (no HD upgrade) 3) Got Xbox Live in Jan 2003, playing online, using eject trick (still no HD upgrade) 4) Upgraded HD to 80gb in Oct 2003 and also added a switch to turn off Matrix and upgraded bios to prevent xbox from signing on to xbox live when matrix is enabled. 5) XBox live account expired in Feb 2004. 6) Created another Xbox live account in March 2004 7) Have NEVER been banned 8) C: is clean but have loads of stuff on E: 9) Have never run pre-release or pirated H2 I was able to go online on the 5th oF Nov. Haven't tried to since then. Haven't got H2 as yet. Also I am in the UK. What are your thoughts? mine are.... 1) I think the Eprom-HDD marriage hypothesis can be PROVED if I dont get banned 2) Dirty HD (with extra .xbe) is given support if I get banned. 3) Hard disk model/serial number not matching stock theory is given support if I get banned 4) Hard disk size being sent theory is given support if I get banned I will get H2 retail in the next 2 days, I can't check my xbox for the next 1-2 days either. I will get back to this thread/forum with what happens.. thanks |
Yes, the other part of the hard drive marriage theory is that MS only started collecting these stats 8 months ago or so, since you upgraded your HD over 8 months ago (Oct 2003), then it'll be as if you always had that 80GB drive even though you got XBL before the upgrade.
Post by: PhatheadWRX on November 10, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (Rombus @ Nov 10 2004, 04:58 PM) |
| 1.0 xbox with pinheader X3 with latest bios Segate 120 gig hd (ST3120022A) entire install was on F drive, no non stock files any any other drive. Played on live fine all day yesterday, woke up this morning and checked and my xbox has been banned. Never touched the french game |
I have the EXACT same setup except a Maxtor 120 GB. I played Tiger Woods 2K5 a lot on Live. Signed up for live (July) after I upgraded my HD (Jan).
I played Mon night after midnint and all day yesterday. I logged on to add a friend this morning and I still was not banned.
Had you ever been banned before? I have not, yet.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Rombus @ Nov 10 2004, 04:58 PM) |
| I lurk here alot, but i figured i would add my info for the cause: 1.0 xbox with pinheader X3 with latest bios Segate 120 gig hd (ST3120022A) entire install was on F drive, no non stock files any any other drive. Played on live fine all day yesterday, woke up this morning and checked and my xbox has been banned. Have not been on live since late june when i first got it, Was only on for about 1 min once after i installed my mod because i booted with chip off and network cable plugged in. Never even attempted to play on live with chip, always cept network cable disconnected when using the mod. ONLY game ive played online since i had the mod was Halo2, and it was just yesterday. Never touched the french game XYZ codes: X: 0000-f001 Y: 0000-6860 Z: 8015 - 190D (according to fuzzys chart, this would indiacte an allways on LPC mod, but my x3 has always been disabled when i went on live.) If anyone wants any other info from me, ask away. |
So, you went on live with your current xbox *before* you upgraded your HD...
thus your xbox was married to its stock HD as far XBL is concerned
then you upgraded your HD, and went back on live, MS detected your Xbox's unfaithfullness and has banned it from XBL.
Right?
I think you'll need to replace the eeprom *AND* HD to get back on live with that Xbox.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (djjsin @ Nov 10 2004, 05:35 PM) |
| figured this might help a bit. I got a v1.1 xbox, changed the drive before i ever connected to xbox live (xbox live wasn't around when I modded this system). formatted the Drive using Evox. have all games/apps stored on my F drive. Using a xecuter 2.3b lite with xecuter 4183 bios. I have a 120g Seagate in my system, locked with configmagic final. i was off and all xbox live all yesterday, lastnight played Halo 2 online for hours. This morning (about an hour ago) I checked, and was still able to connect to xbox live without any issues. |
Thanks, another confirmation for my theory
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (OpenXbox @ Nov 10 2004, 05:56 PM) |
| So if I have the same eeprom and HD that I logged on to live with the first time (200 gig) and have never changed it or have been banned by turning the chip on, etc. I should be OK right? It seems like those people are. |
Yes, according to what I can I tell, you should be fine
Just make sure you continue to use an XBL blocking BIOS, and don't upgrade that Xboxes HD again.
Post by: bone135 on November 10, 2004, 09:19:00 AM
Gumba I think you are right, if you do all the mods before you sign onto live for the first time with your xbox, you will be fine.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (PhatheadWRX @ Nov 10 2004, 06:07 PM) |
| Signed up for live (July) after I upgraded my HD (Jan). I played Mon night after midnint and all day yesterday. I logged on to add a friend this morning and I still was not banned. |
Another positive confirmation
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (bone135 @ Nov 10 2004, 06:15 PM) |
| I have a v1.4 halo xbox with a x2.3 lite and a 200gb hard drive. All mods were done before setting up an xbox live account. I have evox on the c drive with everything else on the f drive. No french game. I used evox to format and lock the drive. I got my xbox trial account started 2 months ago. Played halo 2 on live tues around 2am and then played all last night with no problems. Gumba I think you are right, if you do all the mods before you sign onto live for the first time with your xbox, you will be fine. |
So basically, if you get your xbox banned, take it, sell it as a banned pre-modded xbox, then get a new one, and remod it. You should actually be able to make a profit on the sale I suppose. Remember to copy your favourite saved games
Post by: ScoopyBadBoy on November 10, 2004, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: eisfeld2k1 on November 10, 2004, 09:38:00 AM
If you have an original HDD with evox and all kinds of stuff on it and your xbox live is setup with it, it should be no problem to connect and you won't get banned.
But if you have Xbox live allready set up and then change to an larger or diffrent HDD you will get banned ??
Right.
What about, you have been banned with your OG HDD and then got an new eeprom but still your OG HDD and now playing live again, that sould be fine too ?
So its all about when you did setup your xboxlive and not what size of HDD you have or what kind of stuff is on it !!
Post by: slickdoody on November 10, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
Did you use the account recovery procedure to move your XBL info to your new upgraded HDD, or is your XBL info in an attached memory card?
I have an X3 w/ X3 bios and played Halo 2 on XBL w/ the chip disabled from 1-2am 11/9 w/o being banned. I haven't had a chance to play on my xbox since then, so I may return to find myself banned. My XBL info is only on the memory card, not the HDD.
Is it possible that if your XBL info isn't stored on the HDD, then the HDD info (serial, model) isn't checked?
Post by: solid7x2 on November 10, 2004, 09:42:00 AM
Post by: zolton on November 10, 2004, 09:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (eisfeld2k1 @ Nov 10 2004, 06:34 PM) |
| So if i figured it right, its all about the HDD. If you have an original HDD with evox and all kinds of stuff on it and your xbox live is setup with it, it should be no problem to connect and you won't get banned. But if you have Xbox live allready set up and then change to an larger or diffrent HDD you will get banned ?? Right. What about, you have been banned with your OG HDD and then got an new eeprom but still your OG HDD and now playing live again, that sould be fine too ? So its all about when you did setup your xboxlive and not what size of HDD you have or what kind of stuff is on it !! |
This is my thoughts exactly... I am still playing and i have a modded xbox... i installed live after the modding....
So what i am thinking is..
If you signed up for live after modding. you should be fine...
Those who got banned, is this true??
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (eisfeld2k1 @ Nov 10 2004, 06:34 PM) |
| So if i figured it right, its all about the HDD. If you have an original HDD with evox and all kinds of stuff on it and your xbox live is setup with it, it should be no problem to connect and you won't get banned. But if you have Xbox live allready set up and then change to an larger or diffrent HDD you will get banned ?? Right. What about, you have been banned with your OG HDD and then got an new eeprom but still your OG HDD and now playing live again, that sould be fine too ? So its all about when you did setup your xboxlive and not what size of HDD you have or what kind of stuff is on it !! |
Not sure what you mean by OG, but no, I think you will get your new EEPROM banned again if you connect with a banned HD
(this is based on distilled comments from the previous banning related to the french leak)
Of course, this basically needs testing...
Post by: torgo on November 10, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
When I registered on XBL, I already had my 120GB HD in. The problem is, I can't test this, because my motehrboard took a crap 2 weeks ago.
This theory seems to make sense though, because some have indicated that they were banned just because they had replaced their optical drive. That would mean that when they registered that system, it created the SSID or whatever you want to call it, based on the hardware in the unit at that time. This is very similar to how XP Home acts. If you change enough hardware out, it notices the changes and make's you re-activate your OS.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (zolton @ Nov 10 2004, 06:39 PM) |
| This is my thoughts exactly... I am still playing and i have a modded xbox... i installed live after the modding.... So what i am thinking is.. If you signed up for live after modding. you should be fine... Those who got banned, is this true?? |
All evidence currently supports that conclusion
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
Sooo, if you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: x66Shadow66x on November 10, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Leafz @ Nov 10 2004, 06:50 PM) |
| So your suggesting i replace my hd and eeprom to prevent banning. I was on last night around 4am EST after i flashed a new EEPROM to my xbox b/c my original account was banned b/c i believe my chip was on. I dont know forsure if it was on but i believe it was. Tonight around 5ish EST i will check if i am banned from live and post results. Who know, maybe someone from MS is actually reading this forum. What if their getting ideas of ways to ban us from what people have said. You never know. If i do infact get banned, i will try the theroy of new HD and new EEPROm if that fails looks like its time for me to buy a new xbox just for Live. (ie HALO2 and Almost all EA titles ) |
Yes,
Remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so that you can't accidentally get banned for having a modchip active.
Post by: miggidy on November 10, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
I have a 120 gig hdd, loaded with EvoX and a few apps and I've been playing Halo 2 online just fine....
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (x66Shadow66x @ Nov 10 2004, 06:59 PM) |
| I was banned this morning. I have a stock hd still in with the xenium ice. Was banned previously and got new fresh eeproms. It might be like gumba is saying, that they had my hd key in their databases and they see that it tried to go online with a new eeprom. |
Yup, another confirmation, from a sadder direction though
I would suggest getting a new eeprom, and a new HD, upgrading to both, then going back online.
If the theory holds, then hopefully you'll be fine
Post by: fredemmer on November 10, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Nov 10 2004, 07:12 PM) |
| Just make sure its a xbox live virgin stock hdd. If it's a Xbox Live virgin upgraded hdd then he will need a new xbox live account. |
Interesting addendum
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 10:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 10 2004, 07:02 PM) |
| Yes, Remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so that you can't accidentally get banned for having a modchip active. |
Where can i get a bios like that, and also i have a Aladdin Chip with a v1.4 xbox. Any suggestions for which bios i should use and where to get it?
Thanks
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (Leafz @ Nov 10 2004, 07:27 PM) |
| Where can i get a bios like that, and also i have a Aladdin Chip with a v1.4 xbox. Any suggestions for which bios i should use |
Which BIOS should I use?
If you have a 1.0 to 1.5 xbox then use X2 4983, or 4981 if you want to hack it with XBTool. X2 features LBA48, IGR, Eject Fixes, AV Fixes and Xbox Live Protection, and is simply the best BIOS available.
If you have a 1.6 xbox, then you have to use EvoX M8 1.6, you will want to hack it with EVTool. M8 can be modified to have approximations of most of the features of X2 except for XBox Live Protection. Pity.
If you have an HD >250 GB you have to use the .67 variants, aka f+g, if your HD is 250GB or smaller then you should use the .06 (ie f takes rest of drive) variant.
| QUOTE |
| and where to get it? |
Xbins
http://www.xbox-scen...icles/xbins.php
Post by: mikeylbl on November 10, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
My friend has Halo 2 and uses XBL..
now he booted up his machine with chip off... and with no game in the dvd drive ...
and u know how u get the ms xbl screen that shows your username etc.. news.. and new games and whatever..
He didn't get banned that way.. and still isn't
Would u say he officially logged into xbox live??.. he can change his account info and all that ...
he hasn't tried halo 2 yet on live as a pre-caution..
Mike
Post by: savah on November 10, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
it may sound stupid asking something like that but what do u mean by saying xbox live virgin stock hdd????
I'm thinking of buying a new HDD for the XBOX and i've already signed up for live... Whatever, i'll come up with results in the next following 2 weeks...
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (mikeylbl @ Nov 10 2004, 07:34 PM) |
| now he booted up his machine with chip off... and with no game in the dvd drive ... and u know how u get the ms xbl screen that shows your username etc.. news.. and new games and whatever.. He didn't get banned that way.. and still isn't Would u say he officially logged into xbox live??.. he can change his account info and all that ... |
Yes, I would say he has officially logged in.
Also, you do NOT want to load the MS dashboard with your modchip on, even with an XBL blocking BIOS because it doesn't block the dashboard!
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 10:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (savah @ Nov 10 2004, 07:39 PM) |
| hello guys, it may sound stupid asking something like that but what do u mean by saying xbox live virgin stock hdd???? I'm thinking of buying a new HDD for the XBOX and i've already signed up for live... Whatever, i'll come up with results in the next following 2 weeks... |
"xbox live virgin" means some which has never been used with XBL
"stock hdd" means an HD which comes with an XBox
I think its safe to say that if you upgrade an Xbox (now) after already connecting to XBox live (ie a non-XBL virgin EEPROM) then you will get your EEPROM banned, your HD banned and probably flag your GamerTag.
So, if you *do* want to upgrade your HD, I *think* you need to replace your EEPROM too... bummer.
EEPROMS are cheap luckily
Post by: akiraflux on November 10, 2004, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: emminentt on November 10, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
. I don't understand why. I had the the mod chip off, I had my stock HD in, haven't modified it. Last night I popped in the original game, I played okay at 12:30 am, went back on at 7:30 am and everything was okay. But I just tried to go now 9:30 pm and said I had a modded Xbox. So I was banned. I don't understand why ( I know it was because of my mod chip.. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OFF ) but really WHY? ... Maybe somebody can explain.Okay, fine I wanted to flash my EPPROM, but was confused about one thing, can I use same one??
( Made a backup ) or I need a new one? I have read two post and one says you can, and another says once the ROM is banned you need another one. Any info you guys could provide, I would be grateful.. ...
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 10, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 05:21 AM) |
| No one is sure of what to do in your situation. I guess you might as well try with your big HD... if its not banned, lucky you, if it is, well, it was already banned... so they you need to get a new eeprom + new HD, and possibly a new GT |
bah. if only someone knew for sure when they started recording the marriages... X_x
Post by: acidred on November 10, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: highbomber on November 10, 2004, 08:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (acidred @ Nov 11 2004, 05:34 AM) |
| Sup everyone! seems that I am what you would call a lurker lol. Anyway, im here to give my stats. I have xbox ver 1.1, x2 pro, 80G WD HD. I sighned up my xbox live account for the first time all after the mods where done. My box is as loaded as it can get with all the apps, emulators, games and whatever! Point is I have had both the *cough* pal *cough* versions and stored saves from both on my xbox. Weird thing is that I have just continued on from french pal, English pal and now my ntsc retail version with the same original save. Thats right! same game saved seemed to just work with all versions, so i can safely say im pretty sure its not halo 2 that is causing the bans. Yes my xbox live account is still working I just tried it 5 mins ago. Hope any of this helps everyone out there as this is a great community and I agree we all need to get together to solve this and help each other out! P.S. Gotta admit M$ is pretty dam sneaky lol |
Yea, my old game save worked fine too. Something is up here, its not the HD. I think it could be the new Bioses. Alot of people who were banned had the SmartXX, Xecuter3, or the Xenium Ice.
Post by: LeadHead on November 10, 2004, 08:38:00 PM
. so anyway someone said something about HDD checking, and if you get xbox live with your orig HDD and then upgrade and sign in again, you wil be banned. if installing the XBL in one and then changing to another banns, uninstall it with SLAYERS 2.5, i think it was, and then re-install.im gona try it, keep yah posted.
Post by: jshorr on November 10, 2004, 08:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (emminentt @ Nov 11 2004, 05:28 AM) |
| I have read and read all of your posts. Everything is so confusing. I don't know even whats right whats wrong. I'll be honest... I started this Xbox modding thing only on Monday... I received my Executer 3 in the mail, open my box and sadered it on. Everything good!! I have been banned from LIVE . I don't understand why. I had the the mod chip off, I had my stock HD in, haven't modified it. Last night I popped in the original game, I played okay at 12:30 am, went back on at 7:30 am and everything was okay. But I just tried to go now 9:30 pm and said I had a modded Xbox. So I was banned. I don't understand why ( I know it was because of my mod chip.. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OFF ) but really WHY? ... Maybe somebody can explain.Okay, fine I wanted to flash my EPPROM, but was confused about one thing, can I use same one?? ( Made a backup ) or I need a new one? I have read two post and one says you can, and another says once the ROM is banned you need another one. Any info you guys could provide, I would be grateful.. ... |
Your post is very scary to me. If you've never modified your HD then it HAD to have found some file on your drive it didn't like. Are you running other dashboards? Are you 100% positive the chip was off every time you connected?
Post by: Marker57 on November 10, 2004, 08:39:00 PM
I have not logged into Live since early February playing Project Gotham Racing 2 (I believe I had the 80gb HD at this time). I will be receiving Halo 2 next week. Somebody mentioned that MS has only been collecting the HD info for the last 8 months. I last logged into Live in February which was 9 months ago, so would I be safe to log in now? Or am I screwed since I got banned before over a year ago? Would getting a new EEPROM to match w/ the 200gb which has never been on Live be a wise choice?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: mangup1987 on November 10, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
Here is what I have:
ver. 1.0
160gb Maxtor
X2.1 pro
Ok I did install xbox live before I modded, but I modded and put the HD in around June 2003. I used the account recovery to get my account on that HD. I have never been banned. I haven't been online for over a month though. I did have a french/english version of a game, but it is gone.
What do you guys think? I think it should be good to go, but this thread doesn't completely support that theory. I am going to have a friend bring over H2 to see if it works and then I will decide whether I'm going to be keeping xbox live.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 10, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
we need to find out when they started recording the marriages. but i think that's pretty much impossible.
i guess we just need to get more info for other peoples' experiences... X_x
Post by: badcrc on November 10, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Sup everyone! seems that I am what you would call a lurker lol. Anyway, im here to give my stats. I have xbox ver 1.1, x2 pro, 80G WD HD. I sighned up my xbox live account for the first time all after the mods where done. My box is as loaded as it can get with all the apps, emulators, games and whatever! Point is I have had both the *cough* pal *cough* versions and stored saves from both on my xbox. Weird thing is that I have just continued on from french pal, English pal and now my ntsc retail version with the same original save. Thats right! same game saved seemed to just work with all versions, so i can safely say im pretty sure its not halo 2 that is causing the bans. Yes my xbox live account is still working I just tried it 5 mins ago. Hope any of this helps everyone out there as this is a great community and I agree we all need to get together to solve this and help each other out! |
Consider the following (LURKER)-
You have your saves that is fine, but look what else you have a timestamp. So if MS is scanning there going to see those Halo saves with a date prior to Nov. 9th....
I'd copy them out and delete from xbox for the time being....better safe then sorry....I have been off live other then booting to chat....seems to take awhile to load friends list.
The marriage thing makes sence here, I got files on c, d, and f. This is bullshit, M$ has no right
I am not banned yet, I am willing to test, pm me as needed. I installed live post large hd install, hd locked, files all over the place, no pal french ones though...
Post by: gmrc on November 10, 2004, 08:44:00 PM
Then we can develop a timeline .... I doubt MS was tracking all this shit from day 1 .... It had to started at some later date
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (masherbasher @ Nov 11 2004, 03:02 AM) |
| so if this marriage theory is correct, would putting in your old stock hd that you first and only went on live with correct this issue, just swap it out when you want to play halo 2? |
i don't think so,
the problem is when did they start marrying HDs?
and has your EEPROM been married to the other HD now?
basically, if you upgraded before you first went on live, you're fine, if you didn't, well, then you have a bunch of problems to resolve
Post by: Gamez Etc on November 10, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 03:11 AM) |
| that's what i want to know. and if getting a new live account would save you from the banningness. i got live with my stock hdd but i've been using my 120gb hdd and haven't been banned. so i'm confused about which one to use. if i could just get a new live account and start over so that my 120gb hdd and my eeprom would be stored together. where do they store the eeprom and hdd information? to a gamertag or a to a big database? if it's the latter, then i guess my idea won't work... X_x |
all evidence suggests a big database and your idea will not work
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings - AKA Marriage Theory
So, from what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox, since Xbox Live 3.0 or so was unleashed on the world.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you depending on the dates you did sign on, you might have to change your harddrive AND eeprom! Or you could just get another xbox and leave it stock
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: Sgt_Yates on November 10, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 10, 2004, 08:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (Sgt_Yates @ Nov 11 2004, 05:54 AM) |
| All, im on LIVE right now with X2.2 Pro with evoxdash.xbe as dash. I was brand new when I flashed my BIOS and I think I put the original MS BIOS on my chip..(or so the dload from IRC said) I can play backups tho,ftp,etc. As of 08:13 PST (california) on Wed the 10th, I am not banned. Have logged in n out multiple time...hoping to not be banned. I will cry if I am. Halo 2 rules. I can try some crap if anyone wants. Just dont get me banned please. (= |
wha?
Post by: Sgt_Yates on November 10, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| .I have been off live other then booting to chat....seems to take awhile to load friends list. |
Yes seems like i have that same problem, but although XBL does work it just takes forever weather in HALO or going to the Friends list. Who knows what MS is doing in those precious seconds.
I've been reading posts and i see a lot of questions and no answers. If you float ideas say you are floating an Idea, dont just say something thats not proven.
Ex. Marriage (i got banned nov8th got new eeprom on the 9th have not been banned since then)
So hope this helps in anyway possibile
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 04:10 AM) |
| gumba, you seem to be active right now. i pmed you. or you can just tell me where you got the 8 months from right here. i think it was you... too lazy to go back. if it wasn't you, then my mistake. thanks. yup, gmrc. i hope so too... X_x |
I believe the 8 month figure actually comes from the time of the last major dashboard update, which also happens to be when Team SmartXX said that MS had started scanning HDs.
I don't know when the last dashboard update actually came out
Post by: xprimex on November 10, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
I think that is the main reason. IMO
maybe its just my mod chip, because I don't move the bios around, the hacked bios are on my chip and the retail bios are still on the TSOP chip.
Post by: Sgt_Yates on November 10, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
OH YEAH I just got LIVE in May I think of this year
Oh Sorry bro.. too many posts to read....too much HALO to play..e-mail me if I can help
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 09:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 06:02 AM) |
| woah woah. you're taking it too personally. i just didn't understand anything you were saying. and i needed to know information on whether you installed the hdd after or before you got live. and if you installed it after, when. and all that good stuff... |
I got live right out of the box. Stock Hd and Stock Eeprom.
This all happened late OCT.
I moded my xbox with the aladdin chip. then went on live fine.
1 week later i installed a new HD 80 gig WD. then went on live fine
nov 8th got banned. new eeprom on the 9th fixed that WITHOUT changing my HD.
Now i am still on live, playing H2 as we speak.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 10, 2004, 09:05:00 PM
lucky bastard...
X_x
edit:
canbert, did you have the same live account for both xboxes? if so, that gives support to the flagged gt theory.
they're probably doing both...
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 09:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 06:08 AM) |
| yeah, leafz... maybe you're one of those lucky bastards... lucky bastard... X_x |
maybe, only time can tell
Post by: bcflynn on November 10, 2004, 09:08:00 PM
Oh- one other question. If the mod chip is installed via the pin method, can I just simply remove the mod chip board from the pins and boot as normal, or do I need to desolder the connections? Thanks again!
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 09:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (xprimex @ Nov 11 2004, 12:04 AM) |
| I have avalaunch on my c and I am still not banned, people need to turn off their chips. or install hds correctly. I think that is the main reason. IMO maybe its just my mod chip, because I don't move the bios around, the hacked bios are on my chip and the retail bios are still on the TSOP chip. |
where else would ur retail bios be? duh also u have no idea what ur talking about people need to learn to install their hdd correctly, dude please. everyone on this forum i think has the knowledge of installing a hdd. get a better theory
Post by: Leafz on November 10, 2004, 09:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (jshorr @ Nov 11 2004, 06:10 AM) |
| Are others saying that replacing just the eeprom and not the HD are leading to getting banned again? |
so i've read about this marriage rumor floating around
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 04:29 AM) |
| so you're saying that they're recorded the moment you joined live? then how come people can switch hdds and still play live? that's what i did. but then again... halo 2 hadn't come out yet... so... hrm... i guess you're right... so i should switch to the stock hdd to play halo 2 since i got live with it? i hope this works... thanks!!! |
They can't...
things changed recently.
Post by: KzY on November 10, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
Xbox: v1.0 w/original HDD
Mod: Matrix w/eject
Banned: Last year - Went on Live w/chip on. Doh!
Fix: Recieved new EEPROM, kept original HDD
Status: No Halo2. Been logging in and out of Live for the past few days. No problems. If M$ is keeping a database, they started after I replaced my EEPROM. I will see if it continues to work.
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (highbomber @ Nov 11 2004, 05:27 AM) |
| All these theries don't make sense. I have tons of files on my C:, I still have halo2 french, I still have the gamesaves. I have been playing on Live for months now. No ban. |
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (emminentt @ Nov 11 2004, 05:28 AM) |
| I have read and read all of your posts. Everything is so confusing. I don't know even whats right whats wrong. I'll be honest... I started this Xbox modding thing only on Monday... I received my Executer 3 in the mail, open my box and sadered it on. Everything good!! I have been banned from LIVE . I don't understand why. I had the the mod chip off, I had my stock HD in, haven't modified it. Last night I popped in the original game, I played okay at 12:30 am, went back on at 7:30 am and everything was okay. But I just tried to go now 9:30 pm and said I had a modded Xbox. So I was banned. I don't understand why ( I know it was because of my mod chip.. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OFF ) but really WHY? ... Maybe somebody can explain.Okay, fine I wanted to flash my EPPROM, but was confused about one thing, can I use same one?? ( Made a backup ) or I need a new one? I have read two post and one says you can, and another says once the ROM is banned you need another one. Any info you guys could provide, I would be grateful.. ... |
You need a new HD and a new EEPROM, and if you want to use a big HD, a new GamerTag.
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (acidred @ Nov 11 2004, 05:34 AM) |
| Sup everyone! seems that I am what you would call a lurker lol. Anyway, im here to give my stats. I have xbox ver 1.1, x2 pro, 80G WD HD. I sighned up my xbox live account for the first time all after the mods where done. My box is as loaded as it can get with all the apps, emulators, games and whatever! Point is I have had both the *cough* pal *cough* versions and stored saves from both on my xbox. Weird thing is that I have just continued on from french pal, English pal and now my ntsc retail version with the same original save. Thats right! same game saved seemed to just work with all versions, so i can safely say im pretty sure its not halo 2 that is causing the bans. Yes my xbox live account is still working I just tried it 5 mins ago. Hope any of this helps everyone out there as this is a great community and I agree we all need to get together to solve this and help each other out! P.S. Gotta admit M$ is pretty dam sneaky lol |
Yes, it seems that "dirty" HDs are not the problem.
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (highbomber @ Nov 11 2004, 05:40 AM) |
| Yea, my old game save worked fine too. Something is up here, its not the HD. I think it could be the new Bioses. Alot of people who were banned had the SmartXX, Xecuter3, or the Xenium Ice. |
Most likely because they upgraded their HDs *after* going onto XBL with their Xbox.
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
Post by: Gumba on November 10, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (bcflynn @ Nov 11 2004, 06:11 AM) |
| Hey all- I have a question. My original Xbox just blew its board; I sent it for repairs and it is currently recieving a new motherboard. While undergoing such major surgery, I opted to have a mod chip installed. The original hard drive and other hardware is still in place and the mod chip has yet to be booted (I will still have the retail bios), but will the addition of a new motherboard cause problems with these new Xbox Live checks? If this is safe I may just pull my mod chip out, if not I'll just buy another Xbox for Live. Anyone have any opinions on the matter? Thanks! Oh- one other question. If the mod chip is installed via the pin method, can I just simply remove the mod chip board from the pins and boot as normal, or do I need to desolder the connections? Thanks again! |
A new motherboard means new eeprom, so if you get a new HD at the same time you won't have a problem
Post by: Kazaki on November 10, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
This has brung me from my drought of no posting.
It seems SmartXX was right all this time. They warned us that all hell might break loose.
Another question that comes to mind. Has anyone with a SmartXX chip been banned?
I was so close to buying Halo 2 after seeing all my friends getting it, but alas they have been banned too. It's simple, isn't it? Can't a standard Xbox bios send any form of signal to the LPC bus?
Has anyone with the old 21 wire or whatever chip been banned? (...That really can't work with new bioses, can it?)
Haven't been around for awhile guys, sorry.
Post by: LupinIII on November 10, 2004, 09:34:00 PM
now i need to know that if i get a xbox that is dedicated only for xbox live will it not get banned. will my xbox live account work cause one of the live people told me that if there was a mod on the box that it wont work but if i get a box that is un modded it should work...
i told her that as far as i am aware i bought it refurbished and i do not know if it was messed with.. so will a new xbox work with my live account?
Post by: Yboxx on November 10, 2004, 09:38:00 PM
Thanks in advance for any help...
*EDIT* - Just for those who might ask - I have never created an Xbox Live account with this Xbox (or any other for that matter). I was waiting for Halo 2's release to start one. As you can see, I'm completely new to this XBLive stuff.
Post by: Salvage13 on November 10, 2004, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Yboxx on November 10, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
Thanks...
Post by: LupinIII on November 10, 2004, 10:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Yboxx @ Nov 11 2004, 06:55 AM) |
| Does it tell you specifically that you're banned or that "Your hardware has been modified" if you're banned? I haven't received any message like that. Only that my Xbox was "unable to reach Xbox Live." You say that your Xbox has been banned - Did you get the same error message that I got, or something different? Thanks... |
well it tells you that live cannot be found because i think they have found the xbox your using to be modded. so the eeprom that identifies your xbox is banned so your xbox is banned and you either need to get a new unmodded box or a new eeprom. i talked to a rep about the error message and they said if you get a clean unmodded box than it should work with live. so i got my xbox that i bought from someone and should be back on live tomorrow night.
Post by: leo5111 on November 10, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: SniperKilla on November 10, 2004, 10:53:00 PM
for now i just swap my 80gb/stock drive in and out to play live.. im buying a unmodded box next month just for live
Post by: nezff on November 10, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: kia5691 on November 10, 2004, 11:30:00 PM
Hardware: 1.0MB, Executor 2.3 pro, X2 4983 bios, 80GB Seagate HDD
Original drive: Setup with Slayers and have EvoX only on C: & E: (no apps/emus/games/etc or drive F:)
Seagate drive: Running Avalaunch with apps, emus, XBMC, and plenty of backup games (most on F: and not running in stealth mode)
My first login to XBL was several months BEFORE I upgradded my HDD (so it was on the Original HDD), however I have been on XBL with the Seagate ar recently as 3 - 5 weeks ago with no problems at all (SW Battlefront & Steel Battalion: LOC).
Yes..I will admit to having both the French and English H2 "leaks" ahead of the 11-09-04 release, and have gamesaves on my Seagate HDD.
I bought H2 on the 9th and played a little in Campaign mode before trying it out online (no XBL sign-in).
Got the call from friends to go online so I tried, went through the XBL Update, and it was a NO-GO. I got the "...software or hardware may have been modified..." error. I tried SW Battlefront and couldn't get on XBL with that either.
So I shut down and replaced my Seagate with the Original and tried again.
I did the Account Recovery, went through the XBL updates on that drive, and tried SW Battlefront...and it worked just fine. So I slipped H2 in and played online without any issues.
Since I did not want to give up my Seagate....too many game saves, Emus, Skins, etc to just toss it, I went back and again replaced the Original with the Seagate. Since my son has an unmodded box, I set up my XBL account on his machine and used it the rest of the night.
Today (over 24 hrs later), after spending hours reading about the bans, and trying to figure if it was "safe" for my friends to get online (they have the same hardware as mine but they have never replaced the Original HDD and therefore had the "leaked" H2 game saves on their HDD), I decided to be the Guinea Pig and try out my Original drive again to see if I had been banned after some period of time had gone by. I swapped out the drive, did the account recovery, and everything worked just fine...SW Battlefront and H2.
I let my friends know and one of them tried XBL (again, over 24 hours later) and were successfully playing H2 online...and that was with the "leaked" H2 game saves on their HDD.
This leads me to believe that it is ONLY the SN/HDD/MB/EEPROM "marriage" issue that is the case for being banned. There were also posts earlier that said they had not been banned if they setup XBL AFTER a large HDD swap, and hence the marriage is "valid" in M$ eyes. I think this might also shows that there are no "flags" saved to your HDD by H2 if you played the "leaked" games (with your mod chip turned on) before the H2 release, and it also may show that there may be nothing to the date stamp of the "leaked" game saves leading to bannishment.
Take it for what its worth, but that's my experience over the last 48 hours. I am planning to swap out the drives again several times over the next few days to see if there is a lag time for being banned. I will be sure to post an update if the situation changes and one of us ends up being banned.
The only other questions I have unanswered are:
1) If my box was banned with my Seagate in it then why was it unbanned when I swapped out to the original? Wouldn't the SN/EEPROM number check by XBL register that it was tried with 2 different HDD's and therefore ban my box anyway?
2) What is the actual "message" you receive when you are banned? Is it the "..software or Hardware amy have been moddified..." error? Or is it something else like a simple "...cannont connect to XBL..."????
3) Does it sound like my box was actually banned with the Seagate in it or was that message just a "warning" and not an actual ban??
-Kia
Post by: jivemaster on November 10, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (luther349 @ Nov 11 2004, 06:58 AM) |
| my frends system was never on live untill the hd and modchip was installed. and he doesent seemd to be banned and he has halo 2. so i have no idea whats going on. hes not banned but hear is alot of people getting banned i think the guys thery on the eprom marrage is pretty correct. it probly logs you eprom and hd serial the first time you use live and if you hd is aruldy swaped out then they dont knoe any better. it would be inpossable for them to keep a hd serial and eprom serial for every xbox manufactured. maybe the eprom but defently not the hd serial those are totaly random. |
On the contrary, linking the EEPROM and HD serial at the factory is very possible.
During the Xbox manufacturing process, the Xbox is plugged into a network with the software intall CD inserted in the DVD drive. It then takes an available EEPROM from the database from across the network and writes it to the Xbox. During this process, it would not be difficult to record the stats of the Xbox at the same time, including its HD serial no. etc and place such information into a database for future use.
-J
Post by: Shiro on November 10, 2004, 11:45:00 PM
Info:
Region: Netherlands
Xbox v1.6
Alladin chip
HDD: Western Digital 120GB
Signed into live with original xbox, later remodded and recovered account.
Halo i never touched.
Thing is .. I have a friend with same specs only xbox v1.5 and he is still on live.
Only difference: He signed up to Live AFTER the xbox was modded.
Truely hope this is the only reason M$ uses, so there might be some hope for me.
I hope for my friend to not get banned, so I perhaps can have a go again by new EEPROm, other hard disk and new GT
Post by: jivemaster on November 11, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (Shiro @ Nov 11 2004, 08:51 AM) |
| If this is true everybody with a modded xbox should be banned, and M$ banned only partially for the HALO 2 release, or they will ban more later on. Only time can tell |
I'm not at all saying this is what they are doing, I'm just stating that "marrying" the EEPROM to the HD serial and storing such information for later use would not be difficult. I would not put such a process past MS - I would assume that such a company would keep such information at the very least for statistical purposes so that they can keep track of what's in what boxes. It wouldn't cost anything.
-J
Post by: flylice on November 11, 2004, 12:02:00 AM
Xbox NTSC-J version 1.0
Original Eeprom
Matrix Chip
Evox
X2 4983.06
Maxtor 160gb hd
Also, I played the french version before and had game saves. I've just deleted it today after reading the news.
Still everything is AOK.
Post by: metalhed on November 11, 2004, 12:08:00 AM
Here are my Xbox specs:
Xbox v1.0
Open-box PC-BioXX
X2 4981.67
300 gig Maxtor HDD
I ask this question because if M$ doesn't have my hardware profile logged into their database, then I may sign on to XBL using my stock HDD and have M$ tie my stock HDD with my EEPROM.
Post by: Dr_Colossus on November 11, 2004, 12:10:00 AM
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 12:16:00 AM
no halo 2 french gamesaves.
i did not yet played halo 2...
it would be usefu if anyone post a full report also telling if had played halo 2 or not,also if the original configuration(once you login the first time in xbl) was not changed.
the merged theory, unless anyone tells ,seems to fit.
is there any person with a "merged theory" safe xbox that have (or have not) being banned for halo 2 recently?
Post by: LupinIII on November 11, 2004, 12:41:00 AM
Here are my specs:
X-Ecuter 2.6 lite
Seagate 200GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer
i have apps/emus/roms/etc.
thats as far as what i know
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 12:44:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...30#entry1988021
Post by: guest1 on November 11, 2004, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: Shiro on November 11, 2004, 01:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (guest1 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:03 AM) |
| Don't know if this was already mentioned here (no time to read the entire thread) but I distinctly remember the SmartXX team discovering HDD scan code in Xbox Live months ago! (http://www.smartxx.c....php?postid=738) At the time everybody said it was bullshit and confirmed nobody got banned, later on people from other teams acknowledged the check was really there but nobody got banned because of it... That was several months ago, maybe MS recently flipped the switch? |
Looks like they did
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (flylice @ Nov 11 2004, 09:05 AM) |
| I got my H2 yesterday and logged in and out with my xbox till today. Didn't get banned yet. (Touch wood..) My setup is as follows Xbox NTSC-J version 1.0 Original Eeprom Matrix Chip Evox X2 4983.06 Maxtor 160gb hd Also, I played the french version before and had game saves. I've just deleted it today after reading the news. Still everything is AOK. |
The main thing is, did you upgrade your HD before or after you first signed on to Xbox live with that Xbox?
If you did it before, you're safe, if you did afterwards, you *might* not be.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (metalhed @ Nov 11 2004, 09:11 AM) |
| I created my XBL account with my 120GB Western Digital HDD already installed and locked back when M$ was just banning the Xboxes with their modchips turned on during Live 1.0. I haven't used my Xbox Live account since M$ went to Live 2.0 because I heard M$ was scanning for any hardware changes (upgraded HDDs). Since I haven't used my XBL account since it went to Live 2.0, does this mean my 120GB HDD is not tied to my EEPROM? Here are my Xbox specs: Xbox v1.0 Open-box PC-BioXX X2 4981.67 300 gig Maxtor HDD I ask this question because if M$ doesn't have my hardware profile logged into their database, then I may sign on to XBL using my stock HDD and have M$ tie my stock HDD with my EEPROM. |
I think you might be right, they haven't married your drives.
Wouldn't it make more sense to log on with your big drive? then you get a fully functional big disk box. And hell, if they have/do ban your drive, well, you still have a big disk box... and can always try again with the stock drive + new eeprom if you wanted.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (Dr_Colossus @ Nov 11 2004, 09:13 AM) |
| Might be old but has anyone thought the Halo 2 savegames might contain information about your banning (or your HDD, eeprom). So if you transfer the game to a clean stock HDD after getting banned you might be banned again. I know I'll keep very few save games when I wipe my drive clean (Halo 2 not being one of them). Also has anyone compared Xbox Live account saves before and after banning. |
Empirical evidence suggests otherwise.
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (Zero-One @ Nov 11 2004, 09:19 AM) |
| is there any person with a "merged theory" safe xbox that have (or have not) being banned for halo 2 recently? |
I think you mean "marriage" theory
Lots of people have not been banned who should not be banned according to the marriage theory, lots of people have been banned who should be banned according to the marriage theory.
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331
All those people who have been banned, who marriage theory says shouldn't be banned have done something else to get banned.
I think
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (guest1 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:03 AM) |
| Don't know if this was already mentioned here (no time to read the entire thread) but I distinctly remember the SmartXX team discovering HDD scan code in Xbox Live months ago! (http://www.smartxx.c....php?postid=738) At the time everybody said it was bullshit and confirmed nobody got banned, later on people from other teams acknowledged the check was really there but nobody got banned because of it... That was several months ago, maybe MS recently flipped the switch? |
I think that's a fair conclusion
Post by: cykiller on November 11, 2004, 01:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Nov 10 2004, 01:12 AM) |
| Anyone bothered to check the halo2 .xbe ? 0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo" 0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion" 0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber" 0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber" etc |
I have been doing some research myself and have noticed that games as far as back as Counter Strike and all of the older Xbox Live games (atleast that were auto-updated) checks for "HalDiskSerialNumber" "HalDiskModelNumber" under the systemcalls in the .XBE. Not saying that this is or is not the problem but if so it has been being checked for a while. Is this the time that MS starts cracking down on it is the question and probably the situation at hand?
As for the other system calls they mean nothing, they always have been checked, whether if it's HALO 2 or one of the oldest like the regular Halo: Combat Evolved. "XboxKrnlVersion" and "XboxHardwareInfo" has been checked since day one for every .xbe game and mainly all homebrew software also. Does this mean that they check the Kernel and ban you later, maybe as we don't know just yet? In this case we can say that they don't even base it from the newer Hal systemcalls, it could be completely based on that kernel version and everyone is just awaiting their turn to be banned suprisingly. Reason I say this, look into NBA LIVE 2005 default.xbe and you'll find the answer, everything in the systemcall is unsanctioned, so we just have to keep searching for more details because if everything is nullified then there isnt much to go by for the newer Hal systemcalls. With an addition to that we also have to consider games that use an entirely different .xbe to receive Xbox Live info and online usage.
As of now it is too soon to say, but I have found something quite similar in the games that most have been getting banned from and Halo2, which is the XcPKGetKeyLen located at 0x00411744 of the Halo2 .xbe and it's rather strange seeing the "GetKey" and xbox live in the same category. Finding the meaning and action of this GetKey will help a lot. The strange thing with that is that most of the newer games have this and none before Counter Strike (oldest Xbox-Live original I have) does. I will keep on searching around and give more details later as it is 4am EST and I have work tomorrow.
PLEASE POST OR PM THE XBOX LIVE GAMES YOU'VE PLAYED BEFORE GETTING BANNED.
This will help in the long run and thanks....
CyKiller
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 10:32 AM) |
| I think you mean "marriage" theory Lots of people have not been banned who should not be banned according to the marriage theory, lots of people have been banned who should be banned according to the marriage theory. more info: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1984331 All those people who have been banned, who marriage theory says shouldn't be banned have done something else to get banned. I think |
lol you get it
i think there are same cases like
"people that should be banned are not actually banned"
that probably did not connected during ms scannings.
(whe actually did'nt know when they begin to scan...)
its' more complex if there are cases like:
"people that should not be banned are actually banned"
this could mean that :
1-there are others kinds of test like saves,xbe ,crc etc
2-people logged with mod on(iq test failed?)
3-worst: mer... errr marriage teory is wrong.
but as you said: marriage theory has been proved by an hight tax of people that is still playing now...
so...
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:57:00 AM
The Marriage Theory
When you go on XBL with an XBox MS marries your EEPROM to your HD serial in their database.
If at anytime in the future that marriage is broken (ie EEPROM or HD is changed, but not both) then the EEPROM is banned (and possibly the HD too!)
Actual Topic: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <--GO HERE!!
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 02:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (pieman2 @ Nov 11 2004, 11:29 AM) |
| I see that the whole of this marriage of hard disk and eprom seems to fit the facts, but the bit I don't understand is why MS haven't been recording all the pairs of the serial numbers as the machines go out the factory. This has obviously been in planing for some time, so why not collect the data at both ends, both new xboxes and ones that have use live for the first time. Then they could get every single person who has swapped hdrive rather than just those that swaped after they went on live.... |
probably beacuse in the first versions 1.0,1.1 ,1.2 they did not recorded those infos...
it will be usefull to know if some newest xboxes were banned even if safe epprom and harddisk marriage....
Post by: wigya on November 11, 2004, 02:33:00 AM
Post by: Diablo1399 on November 11, 2004, 02:57:00 AM
I have an Xbox modded with a Xenium, and a 120GB WD HDD. I was playing Halo2 on Live yesterday with no problems at all.
Today, it won't let me connect, giving me a "modified xbox error"
I do still have my original HDD, but I can't use it because it's not locked, and my modchip died the other day (I was playing on Live without my chip installed).
However, it gives the Xbox live error instantly; it doesn't even try to connect. This leads me to believe that there is something on the Xbox itself that compares HDD to EEPROM, and that it's not done remotely.
Post by: fiveohhh on November 11, 2004, 03:17:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on November 11, 2004, 04:16:00 AM
anyone need a brand new controller for 25 shipped? link in sig!
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 04:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (morgley @ Nov 11 2004, 01:49 PM) |
| (First post - Hi all !) After reading all the relpys to this post, what your saying is that if an Xbox has been modded AFTER registering and playing on Xbox live then its bad news ? But if Xbox has been modded first then i go on Live then it should be ok ?? |
Yes.
You can also be lucky if the last time you went on Live was before they upgrade to Live 2.0 (circa june?)
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: dr.suffel on November 11, 2004, 04:58:00 AM
I´m getting a new box soon and here is what i´m planing to do.
It´s going to be a 1.6 Box and I´m going to install a super Aladdin Live Chip.
I leave my retail HD clean without any changes for online playing, but i will pull the IDE cable and powersupply to the outside.
For Chip use I will have an extra HD, so I can switch.
Do you think I will be save with the Chip offline and the original HD on a Box never been live before?
Since im not a native speaker I didn´t understand everything mentioned before, so probaply this was already said.
thanx in advance
Suffel
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 04:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Nov 11 2004, 07:56 AM) |
| ha they cant ban for the french game saves... game saves arent illegal and can be freely distirubted via the net.. and french game saves are on codejunkies.com and xbox-saves.com so banning for that would be a bad move on MS's case.. for now i just swap my 80gb/stock drive in and out to play live.. im buying a unmodded box next month just for live |
you said you swapped your hdds back and forth. which one did you initially get on live with and when? this is the info we need! everyone needs to post this info... X_x
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (kia5691 @ Nov 11 2004, 08:33 AM) |
| My first login to XBL was several months BEFORE I upgradded my HDD (so it was on the Original HDD), however I have been on XBL with the Seagate ar recently as 3 - 5 weeks ago with no problems at all (SW Battlefront & Steel Battalion: LOC). |
kia, when did you register for live with your stock hdd?
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (dr.suffel @ Nov 11 2004, 02:01 PM) |
| Ok just need a little help. I´m getting a new box soon and here is what i´m planing to do. It´s going to be a 1.6 Box and I´m going to install a super Aladdin Live Chip. I leave my retail HD clean without any changes for online playing, but i will pull the IDE cable and powersupply to the outside. For Chip use I will have an extra HD, so I can switch. Do you think I will be save with the Chip offline and the original HD on a Box never been live before? Since im not a native speaker I didn´t understand everything mentioned before, so probaply this was already said. thanx in advance Suffel |
You don't need to use 2 HDs. You just need to make sure you upgrade your HD before you go on Live for the first time, and that you never allow your xbox to go on live when the modchip is activated.
I don't think you can get an XBL blocker BIOS for Xbox 1.6s, so if you use the modchip, you should unplug the ethernet cable.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 11 2004, 02:20 PM) |
| gumba, so you're sure they released the update in june? |
nope
Post by: lancerx on November 11, 2004, 05:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 02:10 PM) |
| You don't need to use 2 HDs. You just need to make sure you upgrade your HD before you go on Live for the first time, and that you never allow your xbox to go on live when the modchip is activated. I don't think you can get an XBL blocker BIOS for Xbox 1.6s, so if you use the modchip, you should unplug the ethernet cable. |
What about creating a new account? i mean, you wen t live with your retail HDD then upgraded then banned, right, if u get a new account with your new flashed eeprom and upgraded hdd, will you get banned?
Post by: JimmyGoon on November 11, 2004, 05:38:00 AM
.I think this is why MS started the banning spree. If people are going to cheat the hell out of their most popular game.... :S
what do other peeps think?
Post by: lancerx on November 11, 2004, 05:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (JimmyGoon @ Nov 11 2004, 02:41 PM) |
| Some of us know that there are hacks for Zanzibar already that let you switch the warthog with a banshee... well you can use it online (xbc, kai) and there is no map checking . I think this is why MS started the banning spree. If people are going to cheat the hell out of their most popular game.... :S what do other peeps think? |
i think that from the 2.5 million unit sold only a few of that amount will be playing online
Post by: KaKoRoT on November 11, 2004, 06:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (NEUROMODS @ Nov 11 2004, 03:06 PM) |
| Well.. I have a small theory, or just my opinion. I believe MS is pretty smart.. This is a company out to make tons of cash and will do anything to get it... I was reading the forums about how before the launch of Halo 2 it was hard to find any new Xbox's in stores. No one could find a new one, just used. All stores said they have no stock. Halo 2 came out on Nov 9th, people been getting banned from live like crazy. The new code has been found within Halo 2. I feel, MS was smart.. They let all Xbox's sell then never re-stocked. They used Halo 2 to catch people with mods knowing that those same people wanna use Live and would buy new Xbox's to do so. It was a marketing ploy that seems to work. Notice everyone saying, I will buy a new Xbox.... This is what MS seems to have planned. Not saying Halo 2 was the only way to catch people.. But seems thats one way of many there getting profits from us buying new Xbox's.. I say, smart move MS.. But there is always a way to get by! |
You can add that to the many other reasons why M$ have done what the have done so far....BTW I have been playing H2, with mod on and then been playing Live striaght after with mod off and up to know I have not been banned.
Post by: jabberwock on November 11, 2004, 06:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (NEUROMODS @ Nov 11 2004, 03:06 PM) |
| Well.. I have a small theory, or just my opinion. I believe MS is pretty smart.. This is a company out to make tons of cash and will do anything to get it... I was reading the forums about how before the launch of Halo 2 it was hard to find any new Xbox's in stores. No one could find a new one, just used. All stores said they have no stock. Halo 2 came out on Nov 9th, people been getting banned from live like crazy. The new code has been found within Halo 2. I feel, MS was smart.. They let all Xbox's sell then never re-stocked. They used Halo 2 to catch people with mods knowing that those same people wanna use Live and would buy new Xbox's to do so. It was a marketing ploy that seems to work. Notice everyone saying, I will buy a new Xbox.... This is what MS seems to have planned. Not saying Halo 2 was the only way to catch people.. But seems thats one way of many there getting profits from us buying new Xbox's.. I say, smart move MS.. But there is always a way to get by! |
MS don't make profit on selling xboxes. I can't see any reason for MS doing this except to prevent cheating.
Post by: NEUROMODS on November 11, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
Post by: jaminbird on November 11, 2004, 06:24:00 AM
Also: i currently have a 1.1 with a matrix and a 120gb HD, i installed live back when it first came out long before i modded my box. I have been playing H2 on live for almost 3 days now and so far no ban. Also i changed out the stock hard drive less then a month ago. However prior to swapping my HD i had not used xbox live in over a year.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 11 2004, 03:25 PM) |
| Or they were worried about their server capacity for Halo 2 on live and wanted to get numbers down |
Bah, modders are a drop in the ocean compared to 2.5 million first day sales!
I think MS is just pissed off, and also wants to avoid cheaters on XBL.
Post by: jaminbird on November 11, 2004, 06:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (NEUROMODS @ Nov 11 2004, 03:39 PM) |
For all we know the jerks at MS are banning random people. In hopes they will buy new Xbox's so they get more cash  Who knows, MS is all about dominating and making money. Those assholes would do anything as long as they get profit. |
i think we can rule this one out, i'm sure the people over there at MS don't want to give away their billions to lawsuits. Plus i don't think they make a profit on console sales.
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 06:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (Shiro @ Nov 11 2004, 08:51 AM) |
| If this is true everybody with a modded xbox should be banned, and M$ banned only partially for the HALO 2 release, or they will ban more later on. Only time can tell |
Not necessarily, as it is entirely possible M$ only started tracking EEPROM/HDD serial # marriages at the factory with newer production models, like the 1.5 or 1.6 Xbox.
This would explain why (1) some folks are getting banned on first XBL login and (2) why some folks with older Xboxes, who modded before logging in to XBL for the first time, are not getting banned.
What I'm thinking is M$ decided to track HD changes since that's a good way to bust modders. So at that point, they start doing it for new Xboxes at the factory, and the minute any one of those logs into XBL with some EEPROM/HD discrepancy, the unit is banned.
For older Xboxes, they hadn't tracked EEPROM/HD marriage yet, so instead they take a snapshot the first time it logs into XBL. Now, a few months later (I'm sure, just to coincide with the release of Halo 2) they check again all of these HD's and if there is a discrepancy, the unit is banned.
Post by: solid7x2 on November 11, 2004, 06:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 03:38 PM) |
| Bah, modders are a drop in the ocean compared to 2.5 million first day sales! |
exactly. m$ no longer needs modders money because everyone wants halo2 and live!, so with the h2 launch, they can now afford to give modders the shaft instead of being leinent with us.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 06:47:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Not necessarily, as it is entirely possible M$ only started tracking EEPROM/HDD serial # marriages at the factory with newer production models, like the 1.5 or 1.6 Xbox. This would explain why (A) some folks are getting banned on first XBL login and ( why some folks with older Xboxes, who modded before logging in to XBL for the first time, are not getting banned. What I'm thinking is M$ decided to track HD changes since that's a good way to bust modders. So at that point, they start doing it for new Xboxes at the factory, and the minute any one of those logs into XBL with some EEPROM/HD discrepancy, the unit is banned. For older Xboxes, they hadn't tracked EEPROM/HD marriage yet, so instead they take a snapshot the first time it logs into XBL. Now, a few months later (I'm sure, just to coincide with the release of Halo 2) they check again all of these HD's and if there is a discrepancy, the unit is banned |
I think at this stage we're pretty sure that's not the case
Post by: tokyoturnip on November 11, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
My setup of an un-banned machine.
Bought my xbox back in August so I am sure it is a 1.6. Played on live for a week or two before installing an X-Chip. being a 1.6 i had to solder the chip in. Installed Evox 1.0 Bios then upgraded to 1.1 recently. Mainly use XBMC as my dashboard stored on E:Drive about two folders deep (I will not give the pathname in case MS is doing research on new ways to ban). I keep almost all applications under subfolders on one main folder. I also have evolutionx dashboard on C:Drive root (which maybe I should move else where considering I never use it). Considered upgrading my HD about a month ago, but decided not too..after reading all these forums, I am glad I did not.
I don't know about the marrying the Eprom to the HD theory..But I believe using the same HD when you first logged onto live is the key to not getting banned. I do not have any evidence to support, but reading everyone's posts this seems to be the most common situation for those of us who have not been banned yet.
I have been playing Black Arrow on live at least a couple times a week since August and bought Halo2 on tuesday and played that a couple times. Must admit I got a little scared when I saw the popup "Must update live service to use".....
If I do happen to get banned I think I will ask for my money back and get Kailink to work with XBMC. Fuuuuuck'em, I support the developers by buying retail games (even at $50 a pop) and they want to fuckme? Fuuuuck'em if they want to ban me then I will just start renting every game a Blockbuster thorw it into the DVD burner and use it with Kailink.
tokyoturnip
Post by: solo220 on November 11, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
banning occurs if you changed you hdd after signing onto live, or if you flashed your EEprom after being on live and did not change your harddrive.
so far the only way to avoid it seems to be having a stock hdd if you went onto live before swap the hdd, or swap the hdd before ever being onlive.
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 07:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (guest1 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:03 AM) |
| Don't know if this was already mentioned here (no time to read the entire thread) but I distinctly remember the SmartXX team discovering HDD scan code in Xbox Live months ago! (http://www.smartxx.com/forum/thread.php?postid=738) At the time everybody said it was bullshit and confirmed nobody got banned, later on people from other teams acknowledged the check was really there but nobody got banned because of it... That was several months ago, maybe MS recently flipped the switch? |
It wasn't just SmartXX! Looking back at some of these articles, it all starts to make better sense now:
March 9:
http://spong.com/det...s.asp?prid=6301
March 16
http://asia.cnet.com...39172102,00.htm
Around the same time, this magazine scan made the rounds, and folks laughed it off:
http://www.smartxx.c.../modsonlive.jpg
Hell, even folks were calling the BS flag on that article as recently as this week:
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=302683
Meanwhile it looks like M$ has pulled off their own version of "Black Sunday" (the nickname for the day DirecTV pulled the signal on hackers right before Super Bowl Sunday a few years back.) M$ has been collecting EEPROM/HD data for months, and then timed their new crackdown for the day Halo 2 came out. !*(@#^*!&@
Post by: ricjax99 on November 11, 2004, 07:35:00 AM
Post by: Kurto2021 on November 11, 2004, 07:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Sgt_Yates @ Nov 11 2004, 02:47 AM) |
| Isnt there some legal action we can take against MS or Bungie? I paid for my LIVE and I paid for Halo 2. I paid for my xbox twice. What I choose to do with my stuff is my problem. Besides, what if you reconfigured your HD with an exploit? That is way BS. If I get banned I wil buy and XBOX, never open it, use an exploit and get banned again and sue their ass. I am not banned as of yet - knock on wood. HALO2 if effin sweet. DAMN you BILL if you ban me!! |
You are an idiot!!!!
Sue them and get your $50 back then they file a countersuit for Piracy and breaking the DMCA. I think you should pay your $150 for a new box and shut the hell up.
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 03:50 PM) |
| I think at this stage we're pretty sure that's not the case |
Not the case how? That they aren't tracking EEPROM/HDD at the factory at all, for any of the newer Xboxes -- and that it's tracked only by a scan when you first log into XBL? I suppose that's possible but of course it would be trivial for M$ to change this.
And I was trying to think of a reason that folks with newer Xboxes, who modded first and logged into XBL afterwards, have made reports of getting banned. I guess we can't rule out the original reasons for being banned, such as logging in with the chip on (ie: human error.)
M$ already does "diagnostic" scans of new Xboxes, so I'd presume the next phase of this crackdown would be keep track of the "original" EEPROM/HDD s# marriage. With older Xboxes, if they hadn't taken this precaution yet, their only choice is to keep a record of your current EEPROM/HDD S# from when you first log in.
Otherwise all this new threat does is encourage hackers to modifiy their rig the instant they get a new Xbox.
(rather than waiting until after they test it out, get it on Live, etc.)
Post by: Gamez Etc on November 11, 2004, 07:46:00 AM
http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/
THERE IS THE LINK TO IT
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: Flakfiser on November 11, 2004, 08:03:00 AM
edit - i forgot to add that i also played the french version of the game first too.
ps. - and i just received this on an xbox mailing list
What these people do not realize is that the installation of many hacked
dashboards, etc. install modified font files that differ from those which
MS packages with the installed dash.
There is no error message produce when an Xbox with it's mod chip disabled
loads up the stock MS dash but finds a errant set of font files, at times.
However going onto XBLive DOES find the changes and you are banned.
Why is this?
Simple...
Font Exploits.
Many people were utilizing font exploits as a way to "softmod" their Xbox.
Well now XbLive looks for changes to the stock files.
Knowing this, my 3 modded Xboxes have NOT been banned.
I also tested this theory with one sacrificial machine that was almost
instantly banned with a font file from the wrong xbox dash version or one
included with one of the hacked dashboards.
All of my mods have fully banked switched bioses. That is, when the mod chip
is set to a stock bios, there are no additional banks available to the
system in another memory region or address space.
Halo 2 plays fine on XBLive with the mod chip DISABLED from an ORIGINAL
retail disk.
Post by: teknow on November 11, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
anyway i had written about a successful eeprom change, new to XBL HDD 40GB, slayer large stealth formatted, with a spanking new game account.
(banned between 3am and 11am) forgot to include on orig post
All that occured with in 8 hours.
Doesn't this Debunk Marriage Theory - at least from a XBL origin - that is marriage occurs upon first visit to XBL
Hope this helps, 8 bucks gone again... saw mobo hdd combos on the ebay from big sellers saying untouched, good luck too all
Post by: Gamez Etc on November 11, 2004, 09:07:00 AM
Post by: JRShof on November 11, 2004, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: Flakfiser on November 11, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gamez Etc @ Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM) |
| WHY WORRY ABOUT XBL IT SUX COMPARED TO XBLINK. |
u b dumb
Post by: zenmonkey13 on November 11, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
Or maybe I'll just play shrodingers cat with the situation. I'm not banned until I check (heh heh).
I think the big worry with mod issue is what is if M$ decides to file suit at a later date?
Post by: jshorr on November 11, 2004, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (Flakfiser @ Nov 11 2004, 05:06 PM) |
| I also tested this theory with one sacrificial machine that was almost instantly banned with a font file from the wrong xbox dash version or one included with one of the hacked dashboards. |
That's a significant discovery isn't it? Maybe it is a combination of both font files and eeprom/hd changes. If you changed an HD on one of your unbanned boxes that probably would result in a ban as well.
Post by: .::.Dinomatic.::. on November 11, 2004, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: fancy_flying on November 11, 2004, 09:50:00 AM
So, if MS is banning people just for upgrading hard drives that may not be legal. Then again, XBL is their 'property' and they may have a case to discriminate with regards to who has access to it.
As for M$ making a profit on XBOX, well i don't know if they still are losing money for sure. Yes we all know that they initally were, but they have made millions of these things by now and have surly achieved some economies of scale! I don't think if they are making money they are making much on sales, but i doubt it is anywhere near as unprofitable as it was - computer components have lost a great deal of pricing power since the proverbial 'bubble' burst back in the day.
Lastly, the fact is you really have three options:
1) Get a new XBOX and keep it just for XBL if XBL is important enough
2) Cancel your sub. to XBL, keep your modded XBOX, upgrade your HD, and NEVER buy a game again - they fucked us, we can fuck them. Want to play online, use one of the many programs that facilitate that - i know i'll be checking out this Kali thing when i get home. Also, tell your friends to get their XBOXs done. Make those 'underground' online communities more popular than the 'real' ones - hopefully one will develop (or has) that will keep data and rank users! I'd pay a sub. to that service if it didn't discriminate between modders and losers, and kept ranks, and kept hacked gamers out.
3) If you are a self righteous little punk, get your daddy who buys you everything to hire a lawyer and sue the punk asses at m$. What is the basis for their banning - is it legal, is it discriminatory???? Ithink when it gets down to it, M$ may be overstepping.
If i put stage three boost into my GM car, i may void my warrenty, but OnStar will still work!? Apples to oranges of course, but maybe valid!?
Post by: mmeder111 on November 11, 2004, 10:07:00 AM
Anyway it would take about a week for someone to write an app with the xbox xdk and xbox live code to make it check what ever they wanted to for eeproms, folders odd code on any drive. bad partitions, games loaded on drives. HDD serials and all the matching ya want. If you think they dont have the serials for the very first xbox then your probably lickin your own balls too. In affect now that they have started this they can do anything to stop you. I got banned as well not sure if chip was on or not cause I had mac address problems first but got a new eeprom and works today. Buy another 99 xbox from ebgames and be done with it. and play those games that are on xbconnect and kai on those systems only thats the only deterrent for them to stop banning people. If other games had system link like NFL2k5 noone would have a xboxlive subscription
Just a quick vent later
Post by: gunner2 on November 11, 2004, 10:32:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| As for M$ making a profit on XBOX, well i don't know if they still are losing money for sure. Yes we all know that they initally were, but they have made millions of these things by now and have surly achieved some economies of scale! I don't think if they are making money they are making much on sales, but i doubt it is anywhere near as unprofitable as it was |
I am against pirating games but if I get banned I'm going to download every damn game I can find.
M$ must know this would happen. Why would they be so stupid to ban everyone because a few asshole have to cheat??
If their not making money on consoles how are they going to make money after everyone they banned is going to steal the crap from them??
It doesn't make any sense. Guess they don't know who their screwwing with.
As of right now I don't know if I'm banned or not. I'm getting the "Cannot connect to xbox live" error. It says network error and no packets are going out or coming in. I don't think it's a modified xbox error. I guess I'll find out after I call M$ and find out what's going on.
I never tried a tunneling program I really like xbox live. I still have the original drive in original condition with another unbanned eeprom. I should be able to get back on if they ban me.
I'm still gonna steal the crap from them though.
Good luck to everybody.
Gunner
Post by: moneyshotz on November 11, 2004, 10:53:00 AM
So all the theories about signing up for Live after modding doesnt work for me. The only two games that I've been playing on Live are Madden and ESPN NBA 2k5. I did play the french Halo 2 though. Wondering if the game save was doing anything.
Post by: L337CH337 on November 11, 2004, 11:01:00 AM
3. Is it legal (some of the time this is not applicable) Can they get sued for this, or if they can, does the plaintiff have a good enough case to win? They got tons of money, they can basically hire as many lawyers they want, and whoever they want...
4. Will they lose credibility? (even less applicable some times)(for example of this please see SP2
) They might not do something if it loses their own credibility (ties into number one)I have the 2 month free thing from Halo 2 and I havent scratched it off yet for fear of being banned eventually. See, my TSOP got basically destroyed, and I didn't want to buy another xbox just for one measly chip. So I got an X2. I flashed it with a backup I had made when I was experimenting with softmod exploits (nothing big.) And I decided to put a modified BIOS on too. Then a 160GB harddrive to backup my games (I have a lot of CDs but like 7 cases, so I need backups so I dont lose money. As of right not, I have only 1 question for MS...
Where did you guys go wrong? I mean you still hold first place for OSes (as far as I know), you make a bitchin console, you have thousands of programmers at your every whim, and yet you still act like pure assholes. I just want to know what it is you have against the modding community. I mean I know a lot of people who bought an Xbox for Halo 2, but I know a good few who bought an Xbox for the sole purpose of modding it for some reason or another. That was one of my reasons too. I have been in the scene for a good while and have seen some pretty awesome stuff (need I mention Xecuter, Xenium, Xbox-Linux, EvoX, Complex???) and yet in spite of all these geniouses at work, M$ Still acts like a big 3 year old with an inferiority complex.
Quit it dudes.
(My 2 cents on the subject)
Post by: douceur on November 11, 2004, 11:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (ricjax99 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:38 AM) |
| ...you have to buy an original game to play xbox live ...you have to buy an xbox to play xbox live (obviously) ...you have to pay for the live service to play xbox live |
That's the same problem I have. I can *fully* understand people who go on there without retail copies, are cheating, etc. I just don't understand why, when my mod doesn't in anyway interfere with typical XBL/Halo 2 usage, I should be banned.
Post by: MrSpumonte on November 11, 2004, 11:10:00 AM
).Owner of several modded Xboxes - X3 , X2.3 , and xtf hack on another, all with upgraded HDDs.
Have only ever had one banning experience due to an R63 upgrade which like all updates re-enables the autologin feature.
The Xbox Im having the trouble with is a v1.1 , 4977 kernal , 200 WD HDD , with a X2.3 installed. It had H2 gamesaves on it prior to the games launch.
Purchased DOAU on Friday November 5th and play it on XBL without fail all weekend. Decided to play some Splinter Cell 2 on Monday November 8th to kill time until the clock struck 12 midnight. No problems either, took a break to eat and tried to log back in around 9pm and got the modified sytem error. Ok no problem I just swapped the eeprom and cleared the Z: as I saw it had some H2 files on it and thought maybe that was the culprit. Fresh eeprom and was back on XBL. Few hours later was on XBL playing H2 and still no problems. Played all day on the 9th - logging in and out without fail. Took a break to eat some food around 7pm and when I tried to log back in it gave me the modified system error again! I'm thinking I somehow slipped again which is just not like me. Yet again install another clean eeprom to get back on, which worked throughout the night. Get up in the morning and tried to get on XBL and got yet another modified system error. I have like 60 clean eeproms, but I fear that M$ may cancel my XBL account for any more infractions and I just love my gamertag and don't want to lose it. I do own a clean retail Halo edition Xbox which I guess I'll use for my XBL gaming until a solution is created for this problem.
So this whole thing most likely went into affect over the weekend prior to H2 launch. I just don't get why M$ just has to act this way when we pay them for XBL, buy retail copies of games, and put up with every single one of their stupid dash updates
Guess I just want the best of both worlds all on the same Xbox!
Post by: moneyshotz on November 11, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: thecheekymonkey on November 11, 2004, 11:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (thecheekymonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 06:10 PM) |
| AH WELL HERE GOES :- basically as from today this is my situation 1x brand new crystal xbox (uk) (never been on xbox live!) fitted with xecuter 3 fitted with a brand new 120 gig hdd just bought today HALO 2 , WITH HEADSET AND 12 MONTH LIVE SUBSCRIPTION) right, ive set out the hdd as follows formatted hdd installed retail xbox dash on C and E drive installed everything else to my F drive as in :- evox all apps bios skins games etc Both C and E drive are clean as a whistle no , non MS dash files etc on there. set xecuter 3 to boot from F drive and all is dandy HAVE NOT SIGNED ONTO XBOX LIVE YET, AND I REPEAT :- I`M IN THE UK ALL PARTS IN THIS SYSTEM ARE FRESH / NEW AND VIRGIN TO XBOX LIVE. THE 120 gig HDD HAS BEEN FORMATTED THERES NO GAME SAVES ON THERE C AND E DRIVES ARE CLEAN AS A WHISTLE well going to be signing onto live very shortly will keep updated and quote this post. we shall see |
ok well im on live , and logged in and out a few times, i know this makes no difference and only time will tell, but we`ll see what happens.
incidently, on my fresh hdd with no gamesaves, i start dvd2xbox, and then signed onto live (turned chip off first), just so there was a gamesave on there from dvd2xbox.
there is only 3 save games on this xbox at the moment
halo 2 (original from todays first play)
xbox live account details
dvd2xbox
thats it, i`ll keep people informed :S
Post by: Black2lip on November 11, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
1) I'm not sure how M$ can check if you have a retail HD or not, but what about the people who have an xbox Crystal edition which has a 80GB HD?
2) I also don't think M$ can check the EEPROM of your previous login and ban you for that. Because if they ban me and I buy a new xbox just to play XBL then I would have a new EEPROM.
3) Could it be possible that some data is saved on one of the cache partitions when you played the Halo 2 leaked version, which is used to ban you from XBL?
4) If M$ is scanning the whole HD for xbe files which aren't supposed to be there then wouldn't this take a long time for someone with a 250 GB HD?
Maybe this is inrelevant and maybe I'm just talking shit but just some thoughts I had.
I have an xbox which had an upgraded HD the first time I went online with XBL and after a while I replaced that HD with a bigger one (I now have a WD120GB), I was banned once but can't remember if that was with my first HD or with my current HD (I think it was my current HD). After I was banned I got a new EEPROM and could play online again.
I never had the french leaked Halo 2 version but I did download the english version last week which I played once (just 5 mins in SP to check gameplay). I now have the original version of Halo 2 but haven't played it yet. I will reformat my HD without any other software and restore the MS Dash and try to play MotoGP on XBL if that works I'll go try Halo 2 and see if I get banned.
I'll keep you posted
Post by: purbeast on November 11, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
It has NOTHING to do with any of this crap you guys are talking about. I also did not read any of the posts past page 7 so it might have been discussed.
what I think the problem is that you guys are playing copied games, or games off your HD, with the chip on, that log you into XBox Live in the background and you not even knowing. Like you play single player in a game, and it logs you into xbox live while playing and you have no clue.
I understand newer bios' for chips can make it so you dont sign on to live while playing, but not everyone has these newer bioses. I know I don't. Also in the settings in the dash I know you can turn off "auto login" so that this won't happen when plaing single players.
But remember when you had to do the xbox live update when Halo 2 first loaded? well every time you get an xbox live update, this auto login setting is reset to default, making it default to auto signing you in. and i'm sure NONE of you guys went and changed this back to not auto login right after because you were so anxious to play halo 2. i know i didnt.
so then you get on a game, a copied game off the HD or the disc, with your chip on, and start playing. For instance, say you play project gotham racing 2. While playing single player, you are signed into xbox live and you have no clue. Then MS knows you have a modchip in your xbox, and you have no clue since you didnt know you were on live.
so then you go to play halo 2 with chip off ... whats this?!? you are banned?!? well no crap! you were a moron and didnt realize you were on live with your chip on!
simple friggin solution ... UNPLUG YOUR ETHERNET CORD WHEN PLAYING COPIED GAMES!!
I know this isn't %100 the problem as there might be something else, but I honestly think this is the problem where the people are getting banned 'for no reason.' however, i also think they can keep track of EEPROM and HD Serial #'s on the server, and thats why people haev been getting banned multiple times with a new EEPROM.
so basically I think all the new bannings are just from people being stupid and not realizing they are on xbox live with their chip turned on while playing another game single player. I know ALOT of the new games that are live enabled, whether you have a damn copy or original, sign you in while playing single player and you have no idea.
Post by: grambo on November 11, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (purbeast @ Nov 11 2004, 09:05 PM) |
| what I think the problem is that you guys are playing copied games, or games off your HD, with the chip on, that log you into XBox Live in the background and you not even knowing. Like you play single player in a game, and it logs you into xbox live while playing and you have no clue. |
Do you think that these people who have discussed, figured out, hacked, and created software and a community that was able to successfully mod and even utlize xbox live do you think that these people would just not know if a game would auto connect to xbox live OR let alone use a game off of the hard drive with the mod chip on to connect to xbox live?
Are you serious? Can some one get this guy a clue
Post by: Black2lip on November 11, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
edit: btw I have the X2 v4981 bios which disables xbl when the chip is enabled.
Post by: purbeast on November 11, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (grambo @ Nov 11 2004, 09:20 PM) |
| Do you think that these people who have discussed, figured out, hacked, and created software and a community that was able to successfully mod and even utlize xbox live do you think that these people would just not know if a game would auto connect to xbox live OR let alone use a game off of the hard drive with the mod chip on to connect to xbox live? Are you serious? Can some one get this guy a clue |
Ummm ... yes, i do think so.
if someone is playing a game off the HD then the chip is obviously on. do you not realize how many idiots have their xboxes modded? have you ever been on efnet? look in the channel, its full of morons crying about stuff. im sure half of those people don't realize that some games auto-sign in. and its not even something a person would think about EVERY time they play a game "oh i have to make sure my game doesnt auto log me in to xbox live." sure some people do, but im sure not EVERYONE does.
you talk about the people who created, hacked, and figured out how to mod an xbox. i can pretty much guess that 99% of the people on these boards did not create, hack, or figure out a DAMN thing for the scene. maybe they all run mod chips and play backups, that doesnt mean they had anything to do with its creation.
no need to come on here and start flaming ...
Post by: dmauro on November 11, 2004, 12:52:00 PM
I am NOT banned as of early this morning at about 2am EST.
I have a 1.1(I think) with a xecuter 2.2 lite chip.
120GB Maxtor Hard Drive replacing my stock drive (which I don't have available anymore, unfortunately)
I made these modifications over a year ago and haven't changed it since.
I registered my XBL account one month ago.
So far I have accessed Live with SW: Battlefront, Ninja Gaiden, KotOR, and Halo 2.
I have French Halo 2 saves on my HDD.
I have not run Halo 2 retail with my chip on AT ALL.
I have password login ON, so I don't have to worry about auto-login.
I was on and off XBL with Halo 2 on the 9th and 10h.
Last night I had pizza for dinner.
If I find that I am banned, I will post back here immediately. If not, you can assume I'm golden. *crosses fingers*
on a side note: this is lame. my mod does not compromise the security of the XBL service whatsoever as long as it is off. Why would they do this? To drive up XBOX sales? Or to cut down on their XBL customers. What a bunch of bastards. yes, what they are doing is probably legal, but there are plenty of things I can do to be a bastard and still keep within legal limits. /rant
Post by: Gamez Etc on November 11, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
Also if you wanna play h2 online just download xlink kai. There are about 600 people on h2 right now. plus its sooo much easier than xbl
Post by: teknow on November 11, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
Bonus: has xbox live account on it good till Aug 05 SWEET!!!!!!
Additional, dumb fuck left bad boy 2 the movie in
and yet again addittional they sold me a halo remote without knowing
Can you say Silver Lining
I can Sil... silv... silver lining
Now you try....
ohh yeah and got gaiden original with it
ummm not so pissed now
and MS didn't make any extra money, since box was already sold once... and live account still in tact from prior not so bright user
Post by: teknow on November 11, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (purbeast @ Nov 11 2004, 10:05 PM) |
| lol ... 600 people, as oppose to the what ... over 300,000 that were on xbox live last night? yea, the tunneling software is SO much better ... |
bump that shit, xlink and xbconnect are great innovations, but can't nearly give you the options, people xbl gives you.
its a nice solution for those who will never buy, but not a working solution for lag, and ass soreness you get waiting for a game you want
nuff said imo
Post by: FreewayX327 on November 11, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: sirp on November 11, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
both have modchips, one has stock HD, one upgraded. Both have numerous apps..games etc on.
ive been on both with live with HALO 2, not banned
ive been on one xbox (on live) before upgrading HD, this one also has a different EEPROM. EEPROM was changed after being banned ages ago. HD was changed after ban.
both have executer bios chips in, one has manual override switch, one just eject/power function for chip on/off.
i have the box ticked to not be sent any MS stuff, if relevant.
Post by: osunick on November 11, 2004, 01:38:00 PM
Anyway, I think MS did this because of rampant cheating in PGR2 and Rainbow Six. People were hacking their own save games and then disabling their chips to get on XBL with stuff they weren't supposed to have. It's the only logical reason, and I can understand why if a small percentage of users is totally ruining the experience for others, then it's better to cut them out then have people leave XBL in droves.
There simply aren't enough people with mod chips for MS to care a whole lot about keeping them around, but if some people are spoiling the games for everyone else, then it's best to just cut them out. Otherwise, since XBL forces people to actually own legit copies of the games, it was better for MS to keep us around because otherwise some of us would just pirate games instead of buying them. So don't blame MS, blame the cheaters who ruined it for everyone else.
Post by: pubick on November 11, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Flakfiser @ Nov 11 2004, 05:06 PM) |
| i have not been banned with halo 2 yet. the xbox i'm playing on was originally my LIVE box, until my modded box died. so i moved the chip and large HDD to the LIVE box about a year ago, and have not had 1 problem yet. i was afraid after reading this thread yesterday, but got home and was still able to get on. so i dunno what the deal is. edit - i forgot to add that i also played the french version of the game first too. ps. - and i just received this on an xbox mailing list What these people do not realize is that the installation of many hacked dashboards, etc. install modified font files that differ from those which MS packages with the installed dash. There is no error message produce when an Xbox with it's mod chip disabled loads up the stock MS dash but finds a errant set of font files, at times. However going onto XBLive DOES find the changes and you are banned. Why is this? Simple... Font Exploits. Many people were utilizing font exploits as a way to "softmod" their Xbox. Well now XbLive looks for changes to the stock files. Knowing this, my 3 modded Xboxes have NOT been banned. I also tested this theory with one sacrificial machine that was almost instantly banned with a font file from the wrong xbox dash version or one included with one of the hacked dashboards. All of my mods have fully banked switched bioses. That is, when the mod chip is set to a stock bios, there are no additional banks available to the system in another memory region or address space. Halo 2 plays fine on XBLive with the mod chip DISABLED from an ORIGINAL retail disk. |
Hmmmmmm. This seems like something. I wish I knew what font exploits were tho. Even more I wish I knew if I had them and how to get rid of them.
Another question- Is it ok if you have files on your C: and E:
Or is it only if you have those font exploits on C and E that you will get banned?
I already know about all the marrige stuff I am just wondering if they are(and easily may be) banning for these font exploits too.
Post by: billy_dimashq on November 11, 2004, 01:49:00 PM
120gb maxtor
all stuff including evox is on F drive, C has only the regular dash files and E has only save games
been on xbox live since late last year, using 2-month trials and recently subscribed for 3 months before using a 2 month trial again
never been on live using my stock hdd, as i sold it in as soon as soon as i put the 120gb in (i had the 120gb in my previous xbox which conked out)
yesterday i went through my save games and removed all dodgy entries such as emulator saves, xbmc settings, etc
last time i was on live was this weekend - my isp has been playing up and my upload has been going up and down
i feel an urge to try it and see what happens (as i can get xboxes from work for £30 without dvd drives so i could come to some arrangement if i get banned), but only because i'm curious, as i doubt my getting banned will help 'the cause' unless i know why!
here's a thought - how come slayer's 2.6 xbox dash works on any xbox?
i remember when i first got an xbox that the dashes couldn't be transferred from xbox to xbox as they were machine-specific. i know this because by accident i formatted my entire xbox hdd the day after i got the xbox! luckily, as per the tutorials available at the time, i backed up my xboxdash.xbe file (but none of the other files) so i got my friend to copy his dashboard and i used that on my xbox. however it wouldn't boot into the dash (with or without the chip) until i copied my backed up xboxdash.xbe over the one my friend gave. however, it begs the question as to how the dashupdate.xbe file can update your dash if it is specific to your xbox unless it edits the file as opposed to writing over it?
reason i mention this is because i was thinking of formatting my C,E,X,Y and Z partitions to remove anything odd and just put slayer's xbox dash on my C drive...
oh mychip is an old x2 lite (not 2.3 etc) with a regular on/off switch - i'm scared of these 'turn machine on with eject to turn off chip' chips just in case...
Post by: X-iRuZ on November 11, 2004, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: switch263 on November 11, 2004, 02:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (XLNC @ Nov 10 2004, 05:11 AM) |
| Has anybody here cleared out all the homebrew apps and unsigned files from their C and E partitions to another partition such as F, make evox boot from F so that C and E look exactly like they were originally on a retail box, hopefully this will work. This is what I'm doing before going on live. Has anybody here upgraded to another larger HD from their previous one, this will also get you banned. How many people haven't been banned? |
I cleaned all my stuff off C and E, made my chip boot from F when I turn it on. I never got on live before my 80 gig was in here, and its locked, but I'm still playing (as I write this, as a matter of fact.) Been playing halo 2 and splinter cell 2 the last couple days, still fine.
So .... i've heard rumors going around about somehow Live! is checking the LPC ports or some such nonsense, but I don't see how that could be physically possible.
Post by: HKbones on November 11, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
matrix chip
Xecutor 4983 bios
250gb WD hdd
-signed onto live for first time on afternoon of 11/9/2004
-played on live all afternoon 11/9/2004
-played on live afternoon of 11/11/2004) -- NOT BANNED
-1 french profile, 1 NTSC profile (live profile)
-NO campaign game saves
-multiple french game variants saves (have not used any on live yet)
I think the theory of married EEprom & hdd serial # is a valid one. I think those 2 #'s are recorded every time you access your live account. If ever the 2 numbers don't match, they'll know and a ban is the result.
My xbox is highly modded, avalaunch dash from C:, apps in E:, Emu's, movies, etc. I can only assume that if they were going through the actual hdd files I'd already be banned. Since I never had a Live account w/ previous hdd, this eeprom and hdd serial#'s are the only #'s they have for my xbox, nothing else to compare to.
I have several friends with older live accounts and upgraded HDD's, they're scared to death to sign onto Live, so if there's an alternative to buying a new xbox, we're interested.
Hope this helps
Post by: purbeast on November 11, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
i would be safe to bet that is %99 the problem with the people whom are getting banned for the first time for 'no reason.'
the only other logical solutions for first time banning are one of the following:
1. Someone else used your EEPROM and has already been banned, so that your EEPROM is also banned.
2. Someone else who is currently signed into xbox live when you sign on is currently using your EEPROM and the end result is both xboxes get banned for that.
aside from that, if you are a first time banned person, it is what I said on page 29.
you guys are looking way too deep into this without even scratching the surface. you remind me of the people on the IGN forums trying to find the super unlockables for mortal kombat deception.
Post by: thecheekymonkey on November 11, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (thecheekymonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 06:10 PM) |
| AH WELL HERE GOES :- basically as from today this is my situation 1x brand new crystal xbox (uk) (never been on xbox live!) fitted with xecuter 3 fitted with a brand new 120 gig hdd just bought today HALO 2 , WITH HEADSET AND 12 MONTH LIVE SUBSCRIPTION) right, ive set out the hdd as follows formatted hdd installed retail xbox dash on C and E drive installed everything else to my F drive as in :- evox all apps bios skins games etc Both C and E drive are clean as a whistle no , non MS dash files etc on there. set xecuter 3 to boot from F drive and all is dandy HAVE NOT SIGNED ONTO XBOX LIVE YET, AND I REPEAT :- I`M IN THE UK ALL PARTS IN THIS SYSTEM ARE FRESH / NEW AND VIRGIN TO XBOX LIVE. THE 120 gig HDD HAS BEEN FORMATTED THERES NO GAME SAVES ON THERE C AND E DRIVES ARE CLEAN AS A WHISTLE well going to be signing onto live very shortly will keep updated and quote this post. we shall see |
| QUOTE |
ok well im on live , and logged in and out a few times, i know this makes no difference and only time will tell, but we`ll see what happens. incidently, on my fresh hdd with no gamesaves, i start dvd2xbox, and then signed onto live (turned chip off first), just so there was a gamesave on there from dvd2xbox. there is only 3 save games on this xbox at the moment halo 2 (original from todays first play) xbox live account details dvd2xbox thats it, i`ll keep people informed :S |
still going strong, i`ll post again at midnight or just after.
Post by: Caboose87 on November 11, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| My xbox is highly modded, avalaunch dash from C:, apps in E:, Emu's, movies, etc. I can only assume that if they were going through the actual hdd files I'd already be banned. Since I never had a Live account w/ previous hdd, this eeprom and hdd serial#'s are the only #'s they have for my xbox, nothing else to compare to. |
How can xbl know what your stock hd was if it didnt exist on ur xbox before you swapped hd? mabe if you delete
you xbl account and use a free cupon or something to make a completely new one on a larger hd it will record the hd info and will never know the hd was swapped
...Post by: Soulja545 on November 11, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: mangup1987 on November 11, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (Soulja545 @ Nov 12 2004, 12:05 AM) |
| ive been playing live since tuesday non stop and i havent been banned yet with a 60 gig hdd. |
What chip do you have and what bios?
Post by: purbeast on November 11, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (teknow @ Nov 11 2004, 11:46 PM) |
| have read it. you have a grand total of four posts, and your simplistic view only shows your thought process. There are people that have been here since the scene's inception working on problems who i'm quite sure have more knowlegde and experience with the box than you. While the LPC may be an issue, you are flagrantly narcistic, made obvious by your posting twice about something you clearly have little experience/know nothing but what you have read about, read time or understanding. I hope you'll quit posting so you don't cluster up this forum any further with your lack of inteligent additions. Retroactive to your last post you have lost your speaking priveledges. Have a nice day |
that had to be the funniest post i have ever read in my life. and it came from a guy with a whopping 8 whole posts, telling me i only have 4 ...
dude, just because i don't come and post on these forums doesnt mean i havent been around for a while. i have been in the dev scene since day 1. i had the first chip available on the market (enigmah beta with like 28 wires) and have been in it since. i am also affilliated with a big chip distributer website. so don't tell me what the hell i do and don't know.
you just come on here and flame, giving no suggestions or anything. why don't you just keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything constructive to say.
i dont know wtf the lpc comment is about, but i do know that the only version of an xbox that MS could detect something around there being modified is on a 1.6 since you have to rebuild the LPC in order to even put a chip in, which would mean that some points on the xbox motherboard are making a circuit that normally aren't supposed to. I suppose that is something they could detect pretty easily. but if a chip is off on any other version of xbox, i believe they have no way of detecting the chip. it just doesn't seem logical.
you are a trip thinking that post count has anything to do with knowledge on the subject. keep your mouth shut if you are just going to flame. maybe i'm a newb to these forums because i have no need for them, but the link to this thread came from a completely unrelated forum I browse, so I figured I would chime in because you guys are looking WWAAYY too deep into this thing.
Post by: dirtybird80 on November 11, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 11, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
EDIT: if there are 2 buddies out there both with banned xboxes. buy 4 eeproms. both of you sign in with the new eeproms. see what happens. if you get banned. then you install the last 2 eeproms, and both of you switch harddrives. see what happens there.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 03:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (FreewayX327 @ Nov 11 2004, 10:17 PM) |
| im still ok. havent been banned yet. anyone else not banned yet? |
i don't like it when people say they're not banned and don't give us any information whatsoever. it's like they're saying... ooo i'm not banned! in your face! or whatever. no offense, freeway... but please we need all the info we can get. what kinda hdd do you have? stock or bigger? when did you install it? when did you sign up for live and which one did you sign up with?
thanks.
Post by: sirp on November 11, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
maybe the newer xbox has something different in it?
both my xbox are over 1 year old...are the people being banned usig new or old xbox..sorry if thats been answered.
Post by: CamJ256 on November 11, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
that would teach ms and bungie not to ban us... we can massively fuck with there sales by doing this. If its works in full scale anyway.
and im not banned yet either... i have stuff on my hard drive. My xbox is the oldest xbox you can get and ive never been baned b4!
Post by: Pat0514 on November 11, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
ever think of that?
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (Pat0514 @ Nov 12 2004, 12:52 AM) |
| maybe ms has found a way to scan your box without you being on live.... ever think of that? |
yes, pat... that has been brought up before...
Post by: Pat0514 on November 11, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: wolf137 on November 12, 2004, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: j4ever on November 12, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
1. Everytime you play Halo2 it logs your hdd and boot information....i.e avadash/evoxdash, and possibly your bios version which will be kept in the save file. That way, even if you turn the modchip off and put the disc in to play online, it will check your save file and see that you have a modified box.
2. If you have played on XBL with a stock hdd prior to swapping in an upgraded hdd, it is now all of a sudden banning based on your info. (i highly doubt this way though because they could have been doing this a long time ago)
Since this just started happening with Halo2, I suspect that it is something to do with Halo2. I bought the game and am waiting for it to come in the mail. Currently I installed my friends game on the hdd and have been playing that. I will test my method out to see if I get banned. I will take my current save file and back it up onto my memory card. Then I will delete the Halo2 save from the hdd memory and try to sign on to live with my chip of and using my disc.
This is the only way that seems logical. I KNOW MS has to be clever enough to realize that all xbox owners are gonna get Halo2 especially modders and this is the best way for them to crack down on it. That is why I really doubt method 2 or any other method. They are definitly using Halo2 to pick off modders.
Post by: Oldmanjoe on November 12, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| So if you were to change your hd inbetween this time period, your new hd would have a new serial #. So therefore would be flagged. |
What if the hard drive was replaced (MS or otherwise) because of a technical issue? I'm sure they wouldn't even check to see if it was repaired by them.
Post by: hyp96er on November 12, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
If there any anyone that has an xbox, that has never been on live, and hasnt had the frenchh2 on it... and signed up for live after the modding, have you been banned?
and to test other theories aswell....
what xbox version do you have... it may be possible that the older versions are better protected from the lpc test that people are saying ms is checking on xbox1.6.
what you guys think?
Post by: hyp96er on November 12, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
People havnt been banned like this in the years that modding has been around. And it wasnt because all of the sudden ms decided to ban all the modders. If they know you had a modded xbox, you would have gotten banned.
If you took every percaution while going live, you werent banned. So the people that took every percaution and were never banned before, and now all of the sudden banned, means (obviously) MS is doing somthing new. And i think it has a great deal to do with an xblive update in the passed year. And nov9 was the crackdown night.
Could the halo2 disk have somthing to do with it? I guess it is possible, But i cant really speculate tomuch cause i havnt done asmuch research on this as many people have. But the points im coming up with are pretty plausable just by analyzing and thinking about what is taking place..
IF this does indeed have to do with serial #'s. Then my theory can be helpfull.
Again: In the passed year or so, a xblive update logs or notes peoples HD serial#'s or somthing else dealing with the hd. So if you havnt been on live for a year, and jump on with a new hd 2 weeks ago, and dl the update. MS would then log the CURRENT hd info and consider that stock.
what do you guys think of this? Is sound somwhat accurate or helpful?
Post by: dmauro on November 12, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (wolf137 @ Nov 12 2004, 09:37 PM) |
| i got to the main menu without logging on to XBL, then i turned my xbox off and restarted it without starting my modchip. i realized too late, but when i saw "log in to xbl" i turned it off.. cant belieave this sh*t. |
Okay, so it's possible that Halo 2 dropped a file on your HDD that says what kind of a bios you were running. I'm also still very curious about the HDD lock password. Has anyone any evidence about this yet?
Post by: dmauro on November 12, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (hyp96er @ Nov 12 2004, 10:34 PM) |
| i good way to disprove my theory is.. If there any anyone that has an xbox, that has never been on live, and hasnt had the frenchh2 on it... and signed up for live after the modding, have you been banned? |
Yes, check wolf137's postings in this thread above. I have seen other instances of this as well.
EDIT: btw, he has a 1.0, so if it's an LPC check, then it can be done on the 1.0s.
Post by: Leafz on November 12, 2004, 02:05:00 PM
its sofaking lame. Dam MS too smart.
Post by: Leafz on November 12, 2004, 02:08:00 PM
its sofaking lame. Dam MS too smart.
Post by: markm75 on November 12, 2004, 02:35:00 PM
in my case i signed up for live way back when it began (1.0), I later added a modified harddrive and have been fine and never banned up to now (I havent signed on since the new checks began).
Is it likely I'll be banned? If it is likely, then what about deleting my old xbox live account and recreating a brand new one.. would this be like getting live after a mod has been installed (even though I've had live all along, under a different account name (GT) )?
Thanks
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 12, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (markm75 @ Nov 12 2004, 11:38 PM) |
| Ok.. my head is going in circles trying to determine what may or may not work here.. what does everyone think of this question.. in my case i signed up for live way back when it began (1.0), I later added a modified harddrive and have been fine and never banned up to now (I havent signed on since the new checks began). Is it likely I'll be banned? If it is likely, then what about deleting my old xbox live account and recreating a brand new one.. would this be like getting live after a mod has been installed (even though I've had live all along, under a different account name (GT) )? Thanks |
when did you install the hdd?
Post by: thecheekymonkey on November 12, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (thecheekymonkey @ Nov 11 2004, 06:10 PM) |
| AH WELL HERE GOES :- basically as from today this is my situation 1x brand new crystal xbox (uk) (never been on xbox live!) fitted with xecuter 3 fitted with a brand new 120 gig hdd just bought today HALO 2 , WITH HEADSET AND 12 MONTH LIVE SUBSCRIPTION) right, ive set out the hdd as follows formatted hdd installed retail xbox dash on C and E drive installed everything else to my F drive as in :- evox all apps bios skins games etc Both C and E drive are clean as a whistle no , non MS dash files etc on there. set xecuter 3 to boot from F drive and all is dandy HAVE NOT SIGNED ONTO XBOX LIVE YET, AND I REPEAT :- I`M IN THE UK ALL PARTS IN THIS SYSTEM ARE FRESH / NEW AND VIRGIN TO XBOX LIVE. THE 120 gig HDD HAS BEEN FORMATTED THERES NO GAME SAVES ON THERE C AND E DRIVES ARE CLEAN AS A WHISTLE well going to be signing onto live very shortly will keep updated and quote this post. we shall see |
| QUOTE |
ok well im on live , and logged in and out a few times, i know this makes no difference and only time will tell, but we`ll see what happens. incidently, on my fresh hdd with no gamesaves, i start dvd2xbox, and then signed onto live (turned chip off first), just so there was a gamesave on there from dvd2xbox. there is only 3 save games on this xbox at the moment halo 2 (original from todays first play) xbox live account details dvd2xbox thats it, i`ll keep people informed :S |
| QUOTE |
| still going strong, i`ll post again at midnight or just after. |
| QUOTE |
| thecheekymonkey on Nov 12 2004, 03:27 AM okay well so far now, this xbox has been on live since about 5:30 pm yesterday, in total about 8 hours, I STILL KNOW THIS IS EARLY DAYS, JUST POSTING AN UPDATE, anyways have signed in and out all night, the girlies been playing live for quite a while now and ive signed in just after midnight all ok so far will post again tomorrow when its time to get up. this xbox is in exactly the same state as the top quote, no backups have been played as yet, just halo 2 / xbox live, however i have enabled the modchip briefly, to start up evo x and launch dvd2xbox , simply to put a save game from a non ms proggy on the hdd |
| QUOTE |
| Okay well still on today as of 2 pm GMT , will post later to confirm again. |
ok i`m still on, my config hasnt changed, will post again soon
P.S. FORGOT TO ADD, ONLY HALO 2 HAS BEEN PLAYED ON THIS BOX SO FAR, ALL ON XBOX LIVE!
Post by: The Mafia on November 12, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Neosabre @ Nov 13 2004, 09:37 AM) |
| Still on Xbox Live and going strong. No problems to report here. All mods were done to the Xbox BEFORE signing into Live for the first time. I will keep my status updated as often as possible. |
similar setup to me, and same situation. I am still going strong.
Post by: markm75 on November 12, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
I installed the harddrive after i originally got live (i had a 60 gb drive modded when I signed up, then a few months later I put an 80gb drive in).. i did an account recovery.. so would this mean I'm safe since I did an account recovery way back when?
Post by: syntaxx_error on November 12, 2004, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: jason_007 on November 12, 2004, 05:15:00 PM
You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences.
Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates.
Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared.
I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me.
Post by: gamerguy999 on November 12, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 12 2004, 06:18 PM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. |
The people here have also payed for their subscriptions. Where did you get that we had not
?
Post by: Neptune on November 12, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 13 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. |
In regards to the last guy's post, I am laughing at you, and HARD. You are probably the only moronic fool who hasn't modded your system. Are you scared, is that it? Hahahaha. Look when he joined the 13th of November. He is a brand new member. I ask that his post be removed and he be banned. He has no business being with our xbox-scene people.
Post by: sjefke on November 12, 2004, 05:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 13 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. WHY?? WE PAID ALSO, MOST MODDERS MORE THAN ONCE!!!! You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. WITCH TERM WE VIOLATE?????????? Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. AIGAIN WE PAID ALSO", I'VE PAID 4 TIMES(and you???) Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. (WE WIL SURVIVE AND WIN!!!!) BECAUSE THE HACKER PLAYS FOR FUN AND THE M$ SHIT EMPLOYÉ ONLY WORKS FROM 9 TO 5) I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. (ME TOO WITH THE JENZ HACK) and the only thing i want to learn from u is english stupid M$ EMPOLYÉGreetz |
read quote
Post by: The_Xenocide on November 12, 2004, 05:50:00 PM
M$ sucks smartXX v2 chip
M8_1.6 Bios
Evox dash
origional HD and DVD
1.6 box
bah this is gay, also ever since it banned me i cant even play system link with my friends....wtf could M$ have changed something in my box?
Post by: thecheekymonkey on November 12, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 13 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. |
sometimes it hard to understand humans
why do they feel the need to post meaningless shite like that.
people who mod there xbox dont do it just for the economic benefits, some people do it for other reasons such as , beacuse your not meant to, to unlock its full potential etc, etc, its not just about saving a few quid (£££ to all the americans
).
Post by: Neosabre on November 12, 2004, 06:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (bearauto @ Nov 13 2004, 02:39 AM) |
| And you're playing Halo 2 LIVE? |
Of course I'm playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live. Why wouldn't I be? I've paid for my subscription and I paid and own and use the retail game to play on Xbox Live like every other honest person would. I have no pirated games on my HDD. I only have games on there that I own and THAT is perfectly legal.
Post by: dannymak on November 12, 2004, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: Jet Pilot on November 12, 2004, 07:02:00 PM
I have had to change my EEPROM once before but here is a thought
if i bought another Live account and let it set it's defaults to my new EEPROM whould it let me play LIVE, becasue it seems that people who modded first then got LIVE are fine??
Anybody?
Post by: deacon187 on November 12, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 12 2004, 07:53 PM) |
| ok put this info in anther thread but just to shake things up in this thread also .. LOCK CODES !! yes lockcodes... its been brought to my attention (dvz) that when u re-lock ya HDD you all may be using the SAME code !!?? TEAMASSEMBLY or atleast some apps do SO .. i dont think they actually BAN on seeing this (WAY to many people would get banned) but maybe they look at this once ya GT is flagged as this is something thats VERY visable EVEN if ya mod is OFF, and ya hdd is clean, and eeprom is new along with hdd they can still see the LOCK code which is dirty (maybe) SO... is it true ? what is the lock codes that the apps are setting ? on slayers, and configmagic, and evox etc if it is TEAMASSEMBLY then dirty lock codes could be a vunrability think Mick .. |
Certainly possible,
easy to prove, take a stock system, reset its master password.... (and NOTHING else)
go on live.
see if you get banned
If that doesn't get you banned, then you need to try the same thing with a flagged GamerTag
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 09:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Panick @ Nov 12 2004, 08:10 PM) |
| From the CNet article: How the fuck does anyone using a modified console "manipulate the system to the detriment of others"? What a fucking joke! |
By editing save games, downloaded content and cached data to enable cheating.
It was becoming rampant in PGR2, and its believed that having modified downloaded content for PGR2 is a cancellation offense (stronger than a ban)
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 09:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jet Pilot @ Nov 13 2004, 04:05 AM) |
| Question I have had to change my EEPROM once before but here is a thought if i bought another Live account and let it set it's defaults to my new EEPROM whould it let me play LIVE, becasue it seems that people who modded first then got LIVE are fine?? Anybody? |
No, there is a post somewhere explaining the difference between an XBox and a GamerTag
basically you have problems when you connect to xbox live for the first time, not when you register a gametag
The Halo 2/Nov 9th XBL Bannings - AKA Marriage Theory
From what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
But if you didn't do your upgrade before you signed on to XBL with that Xbox the first time, then you should sell your Xbox, and remod another one.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip!
more info: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE!!
Post by: vyper883 on November 12, 2004, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: vyper883 on November 12, 2004, 09:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 13 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. |
I apologize the the forum moderators in advance for my rant.
Man, you are a dumbass. and ignorant!
First of all, a modded XBOX does not mean piracy!
Second, even if an XBOX IS modded, you still need to pay for your subscription to XBOX LIVE, and you STILL need to purchase the retail game to PLAY it on XBOX live, Your XBOX has to have it's chip disabled when you're on XBL. Your XBOX has to work in a stock state, when you're on XBOX live. A modded box with it's chip disabled is no different than a XBOX straight from the factory, and modders-no modders alike have to abide by the same rules, while logged on to XBL. Anyone who has modded their XBOX, has done so in order to unleash the XBOX's capabilities. We modders can store ALL our music, videos, and pictures on our XBOX, We can store our legally purchased games on the hard drive, thus avoiding damage to our retail game DVDs, and we get faster loading times as well. It is anyones given right to make a copy of software, or games that they already own. Of course we can only use those benefits during offline play, and unfortunately there are modders who copy games onto their HDD that they do not own, but it's no dfferent from anyone that owns a PC. I personally own every game that I play too! I PAY for my subscription to XBL, and I PAID for HALO2, which is no different fro what you, or any modder have done, in order to play on XBL. So, you have absolutely no right to come to this forum to imply that we are a bunch of theives. Maybe next time you should educate yourself, to avoid future embarassment, before talking trash about something that clearly you know NOTHING about!
Cheers!
Post by: southbark on November 12, 2004, 10:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (vyper883 @ Nov 12 2004, 10:55 PM) |
| I apologize the the forum moderators in advance for my rant. Man, you are a dumbass. and ignorant! First of all, a modded XBOX does not mean piracy! Second, even if an XBOX IS modded, you still need to pay for your subscription to XBOX LIVE, and you STILL need to purchase the retail game to PLAY it on XBOX live, Your XBOX has to have it's chip disabled when you're on XBL. Your XBOX has to work in a stock state, when you're on XBOX live. A modded box with it's chip disabled is no different than a XBOX straight from the factory, and modders-no modders alike have to abide by the same rules, while logged on to XBL. Anyone who has modded their XBOX, has done so in order to unleash the XBOX's capabilities. We modders can store ALL our music, videos, and pictures on our XBOX, We can store our legally purchased games on the hard drive, thus avoiding damage to our retail game DVDs, and we get faster loading times as well. It is anyones given right to make a copy of software, or games that they already own. Of course we can only use those benefits during offline play, and unfortunately there are modders who copy games onto their HDD that they do not own, but it's no dfferent from anyone that owns a PC. I personally own every game that I play too! I PAY for my subscription to XBL, and I PAID for HALO2, which is no different fro what you, or any modder have done, in order to play on XBL. So, you have absolutely no right to come to this forum to imply that we are a bunch of theives. Maybe next time you should educate yourself, to avoid future embarassment, before talking trash about something that clearly you know NOTHING about! Cheers! |
VYPER883,
Its not even worth acknowleging that persons stupidity
Post by: vyper883 on November 12, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (southbark @ Nov 13 2004, 07:06 AM) |
| VYPER883, Its not even worth acknowleging that persons stupidity |
Yeah, I know, but he deserved it. lol, Anyway....Ahem.....back to topic I guess...
Post by: southbark on November 12, 2004, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: L337CH337 on November 12, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Monitor packet information from your xbox to the internet at about boot time and when a game is loading.
I think that would be much easier than dissassembling all sortsa crap
juss though the idea was a good one, so someone please try it
greetz to the sceners
EDIT: for example, if your serial number is transmitted, along with your hdd serial, or a fill file list of all the files on E: or something, then we got a good idea of what they're doing.
I don't know, it could all be a fluke (like M$ finally decided to get to banning suspicious people, not just stupid-asses with their chip on and trying to get on live)
Post by: dmauro on November 13, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (jason_007 @ Nov 13 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| You people deserve to get banned. You violate the terms and conditions of XBOX Live and will pay the consequences. Honest folk who have paid their subscriptions are justifiably laughing at you pirates. Losers. Conform to MS's plan and you will be spared. I'm playing Halo 2 on Live and loving it - maybe you cheapskates should learn from me. |
Could we all please flood this guy with emails explaining to him the flaws in his "argument." Preferably with plenty of profanity ;P
What a jerk.
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 12:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (dmauro @ Nov 13 2004, 09:03 AM) |
| Could we all please flood this guy with emails explaining to him the flaws in his "argument." Preferably with plenty of profanity ;P What a jerk. |
two jerks does not an argument make... it just makes two jerks
Post by: tribefiend on November 13, 2004, 01:03:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| TOO MUCH READING! I'm losing all the cells in my brain staring at this computer trying to figure out how I'm gonna get back on Live without buying a new box. This is my quick story: 1. Got live 1.5 years ago 2. Modded and replaced stock with 160gb 1 year ago 3. Banned on 10th am From what I've read so far this is a great formula to get banned. Changed hard drives after live account created. The only problem I have with this is they were able to see that my hdd key or serial number had changed, I should have been banned a year ago. Anyway...tonight I am picking up my buddies stock virgin hdd and the eeprom. I will put these in my xbox. I guess that basically makes my xbox look like what his was shipped. We'll see what happens. |
I posted this a couple of days ago in this thread.
I have just received from my buddy that fresh eeprom and his stock hd. Installed them both and made sure the hd was clean. Went through account recovery and am back on H2. I have essentially turned my xbox into his. We'll find in the morning if I'm going to be banned or not.
I have also just in case disconnected the wires from my motherboard on my 2.2 lite.
They are actually still soldered on the board but the adapter to the chip has been disconnected so no power running to the chip at all. I'm gonna do my best to leave it in this state as I don't really want to experiament with trying to figure out what will get me banned.
I'll report back with any news in the morning.
Post by: teknow on November 13, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (johnw009 @ Nov 13 2004, 09:26 PM) |
| Okay I never went on XBL until I had a 60 gig HD added on with X2 Lite chip. About a year ago I swapped to 60 gig for a 200 gig. I'm still on XBL, as of yesterday, playing Halo 2 since the midnight sale. So i don't think the HD + EEPRom is correct. |
neither do I! I have tried marriage by pass theories. Edit:you told us chich chip are you using,
and what connection method? Is this a solderless? _ # of wires if soddered? etc.
Thanks for some confirmation, on a theory that is seemingly largely ignored.
Post by: teknow on November 13, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: hyp96er on November 13, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
just curious..
Post by: tribefiend on November 13, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: CalifLove on November 13, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (CalifLove @ Nov 10 2004, 10:14 AM) |
| Heres my Situation: I have 2 Xbox's. Both with X 2.1 Chips w/ Switches installed. Xbox #1 has a 160gb HDD with a buncha extra crap on it (EMUS, XBMC, MP3's etc). It also has copies of games I have purchased (and not purchased to be honest) This Xbox has worked fine on Live with Madden 05 (The only Live game I have). I have NEVER even turned the XBox on w/ The Chip turned on and the Ethernet cable plugged in. Xbox #2 has stock HDD and has never been on-line ever - Never connected to the Internet. It only has copies of games that I have purchased. |
An update:
Xbox #1 as noted in quote was banned. One thing to point out was that I did not fully delete all non MS files from the stock HDD like I thought I did. There were still files from Avalaunch Dash on Z etc... However, My belief is that I prolly would have been better off continuing to use my modded xbox hdd on live instead of switching back to my stocker...but aw well. That Xbox becomes the 2nd bdrm DVD player now :-)
As for Xbox #2, I did locate my stock HDD for this box which never had been on-line. I went through and deleted EVERY non-ms file this time around - and I do mean everything.
After this, I turned chip off, went to MS Dash to be sure that there were no save files on the hdd. I then played a game of the original PGR1 just to create a save game to make sure that I hadn't deleted anything that would cause a game NOT to save etc...
I then proceeded to plug in the ethernet cord, fire up the box with Halo2 in it and went through all the updates needed for the Dash/Xbox Live.
I then tried to use the acct recovery tool to get my old GT and it then told me I could not use that GT account at that time (wtf does that mean???). I then used another GT that I just created from the 2 month free trial # that came with Halo2...
I got online and played halo only a few minutes, then went to bed.
The next day this whole "They put voltage to LPC point" theory came about so I decided to disconect the mod chip completly from the system so I disconnected the negative terminal and (accidently) pulled the "DAMN" d0 point but left all the other wires soldered on but removed the wire jack from the mod chip itself.
I then played last night with the same xbox and still have yet to be banned..so we'll see.
Post by: gamefreakgcb on November 13, 2004, 06:08:00 PM
. Im about to go back home and us emy XBox for Live. I dont have the stock HDD but the eeprom was never changed and the first time I went on Live with it was when i installed my 200GB in it. After that I did a couple of jobs for a friend and I think I might've put their HD's in my XBox but not sure. I will get home wednesday and try XBox Live. Also on a side note I DLed the pal english release of Halo 2 (I DIDNT WANT TO BUT I WAS LEAVING FOR A WEEK THE DAY HALO 2 WAS BEING RELEASED AND I WAS REALLY PISSED ABOUT IT AND JUST SAID FUCK IT THEN DL'ed THE GAME AND PLAYED FOR A FEW HOURS), I pre-ordered the LE version and told a friend of mine to pick it up for me. Im going to go home, delete the game saves and try to go online. I just hope my brother doesnt get the game as he wanted to go on XBox Live with it. Gonna call him up right now to make sure he didnt. Damn you MS, we're still playing by your rules on LIVE. May all the bastards who cheated on Live with their modchips BURN IN HELL. . DAMN IT.
Post by: zenzen on November 13, 2004, 10:53:00 PM
A quick history:
My box had been remodded with 3 different brand chips through out its life time. Each resolving an issue at the time,
Ive had a 40 gig (in 2002) then decided to upgrade
Ive had a HDD LOCKOUT problem with the old OEM 80GB Western Digitals in (Feb 2003)
I then replaced this with a Retail Western Digital 120 SE that worked fine later that year with an Xecuter clone (which also resolved the 160GIG limit) with a manual switch on the back of the console.
I signed up for XBOX live just to play MOTOGP (at the time) on THE 120 WD drive.
and Present:
Got a 250GB Maxtor when i swapped for an Aladdin Advance which supported on board software DISABLE (which means HOLDING the power button for the mod, and TAPPING for the stock bios) recovered my ACCOUNT on the 250MXTR
Recieved the PAL ver of HALO2, played Single and Multiplayer.
I still periodically downloaded content, and played random games within the last week even after HALO2 launch.
Loaded up the US release of HALO2 and found that the PAL saves are compatible with each other, however in doing so, exited and deleted the HALO2 save(due to the banning scare) but have bunch of random files in c, e, f!
I am still as of this moment playing SF ANNIVERSARY on live with no problems, no banning whatsover, it has been 36hours since, and I've rechecked as of this moment to make sure I am not banned.
Some one stated" that the "QUICK DOWNLOAD OR LIVE UPDATE" before they played HALO2 on LIVE has something to do with this..
Did this same update happen to the nonhalo2-people playing different games?
fortunately my SF ANNIV did not do any updates, nor have i updated my LIVE bios this year.. My bios still has no progressive output? Which I found was fixed with some random live updates a while back?
Due to this thread, Im am holding off on playing HALO2 on LIVE and just sticking with the System link for now (then deleting the save before I go on live again). I will confirm the moment my xbox gets banned without having any HALO2 save. But until then I am ban free at the moment.
Lets hope that this post REVERSE-9/11 does not hurt anymore people as it had already!
Post by: Jully on November 13, 2004, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: gamefreakgcb on November 13, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jully @ Nov 14 2004, 03:01 AM) |
| ok if it matters this is my setup and it works fine i have not been banned. i have a 120 gig x2.3b, on c: are the evox dash and ms dash. on f: are alot of backups. i have been playing with halo 2. earlier i turned my chip on backed up a game then turned it off and booted to halo 2 online with no problem. you guys must be doing something as i have not ever been banned |
I read a few posts and it seems MS isnt just banning people but it seems they're doing it on a random basis. also here is a very good theory about this. Dunno if you already read that but Ill be trying it after I get home. What i plan to do is solder wires to the pinheader thru DPDT switches so if I want to completely remove the chip off the lpc al I have to do is flick a few switches and Im good to go, that is if the theory mentioned in there is infact true. I still might be off though so feel free to correct any mistakes.
MAN All these posts about this is making my head hurt. I think I'll wait for this to organize a bit more as someone started a "survey" of some sort(read the news on XS main page), people who tried different things post their set-up and experiences) Lets try to organize a bit. All these scattered posts and all these theories just lead to an even more painful problem/solution find.
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 14, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
i got my xbox last year.
got on live for the first time on my stock hdd last year.
modded it last year.
and then may 20th, 2004, i installed a new 120gb hdd.
used account recovery on the new hdd.
played for a few months then stopped.
got halo 2 11/13/2004 and i deleted everything from my e: and c: partitions to be sure.
played on live yesterday, and i'm still on at this moment.
my chip is still in the ports, but it's turned off of course.
if i remained unbanned, then this means that they didn't start recording the marriages until after may 20th, 2004. if anyone else has the same setup as mine, but a later date, then it would narrow down the date.
i hope i don't get banned. X_x
Post by: note on November 15, 2004, 01:09:00 AM
I'm just wondering... How do you get the xbox to boot it's dash from F: ?
I'll try signing in as soon as C: and E: are clean of files (btw, what are the offical files/folders that should be on C: and E: ?).
Post by: andrusk on November 15, 2004, 01:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (note @ Nov 15 2004, 10:12 AM) |
| I've not yet dared to try signing on to Live with Halo2. I'm just wondering... How do you get the xbox to boot it's dash from F: ? I'll try signing in as soon as C: and E: are clean of files (btw, what are the offical files/folders that should be on C: and E: ?). |
Last I checked you had to tell the bios you flash the modchip with where to look for the dashboard. Last time I flashed mine was six months ago, but you can change where you want it to look, and for which dashes you want it to look for. I have mine booting off f: and no non'stock files on c and e.
Post by: aggies11 on November 15, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
But,
If I were MS
I'd do two things:
- Only ban maybe %50 - %25 of xbox's found to be in "violation"
- Institute random (maybe between 1-30days) time delayed activations on the ban
What effect does this have? You get conflicting reports, some configurations work sometimes, but the same configuration might not work with someone else. Also, with a time delay, people are unsure of exactly what they did to get banned.
The end result? Increase the FUD regarding the mod scene. So people are not sure how or why they are getting banned.
Remember: Any method they use to determine who is in "violation", can and will be found out by the modding community. And ways around it will be figured out. It is a never ending game of cat and mouse. Meaning that, any person who is reasonably dedicated to modding their xbox (and playing live) will eventually be allowed to do this. This means, that this sytem, is not very effective.
However, if there goal is to not simply to ban everyone that tries to mod, but instead to "discourage modding", it may be alot more successfull. With all the Fear Uncertainty and Doubt regarding what exactly is happening, people are alot less likely to attempt this. (Look at the current state for example). If you are not sure whether or not you will be successfull, alot of people will not be willing to take the chance.
This IMHO, would be a much more effective method for MS to accomplish it's goals. However, it remains to be seen if this is something that they are actually doing.
If it is, then it essentially makes testing useless. A configuration can never really be "proven safe", because multiples successes don't guarantee that it isn't being detected. Conversely, some configurations labelled "bad", will not always result in bans, which makes it harder to tell if they were "true positives" or merely error/background noise found when trying to get information from internet users.
Further, if they wanted to be really nasty - They would use several different methods to detect modded consoles, using the above methods. That would generate so many conflicting reports, that it'd would be terribly difficult to figure out exactly what is going on, based on empiracle data alone.
Food for thought,
Aggies
Post by: solid7x2 on November 15, 2004, 11:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (aggies11 @ Nov 15 2004, 08:00 PM) |
| With all the Fear Uncertainty and Doubt regarding what exactly is happening, people are alot less likely to attempt this. (Look at the current state for example). If you are not sure whether or not you will be successfull, alot of people will not be willing to take the chance. |
Seems to me like this is very relevant to this forum... People are too afraid to even try to sign in to live. I dont understand what you are waiting for... This site pretty much has a good grasp of whats going on... and theres always a chance you are already banned and MS is just waiting for u to sign in to get the error message.
With the 'Marriage theory' (which to me is just another re-hash of the Solution to get back on live theory, with a catchy phrase) it is all simple and laid out.
So what are you waiting for? MS already has your money, and to me you are just wasting ur time and money not playing (and missing out on some damn good h2)
just another 2 cents of mine
Post by: solid7x2 on November 15, 2004, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: flashfreak on November 15, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
as some1 said yesterday, m$ may be applying power to the LPC points etc to see if there really is a chip there, and turned off.
maybe some1 without a chip could setup a multi-meter on these points and see if they are testing that?
i dunno much about the chips and lpc points etc, but i reckon this would be a good way to check, then more results and proof could be given
Post by: scared_of_msft on November 15, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
I have an Xecuter 2.6 modchip, the 4983 BIOS, stock DVD, stock HD. Running Slayer's EvoX, and the only non-retail things I'm running are NES and SNES emulators right now. No hacked gamesaves or anything.
Never been on XBL before 11/1, never been banned. Had the french game early on, but reformatted the HD and reinstalled EvoX using the Slayer install CD on 11/1 to remove all traces of the french game. On 11/1, setup a 2 month XBL free trial. Tested with Crimson skies, no problem. Been playing H2 since 11/9, and still no problem currently.
Some precautions I've taken: Of course, I only go on-line with the chip disabled. Am using the 4983 BIOS which has some usefulness of not letting you on XBL with the chip on. Moved my gamertag to a memory card, and remove the card whenever I'm not using XBL. Disabled the XBL auto sign-on, and check to make sure it's disabled after every XBL and dashboard update. Finally, keep the xbox disconnected from the network when it's not on-line, and keep the network off the internet when the chip is on, but I need the network (for like FTP).
Post by: cyesergio on November 15, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
Here's what he did to his xbox:
1. Stock xbox
2. Modded it with I believe the Alladin chip and the xecuter bios, no unsigned code not even a different dashboard!
3. Got on live with the free trial (Midtown madness...), mod chip off
4. PLays mostly backup games nothin out of the ordinary
5. However he does plays H2 french off dvd
(however he deleted all game saves!)
6. 11/9 gets H2 retail and creates a NEW gamertag
7. His girlfriends was playing splitscreen with a friend (still signed in) and sees the eject led flashing to chip on mode!
8. Next day he wants to join the TS Bloodgulch party and gets the modded hardware message!
So I'm really thinking MS probes for a modchip or something, and now I'm scared to go on live!
I was thinking on getting my local mod guy to make switch to REALLY cut off the mod chip (eg the power pins on the mod chip).
What to do?!?!
Post by: onlycopunk on November 15, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: otherguy on November 15, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
Send me a PM if you need one.
Post by: mindless_hoser on November 16, 2004, 08:07:00 AM
Chip: Xenium Ice
Game: Halo 2
Live type: 2 month Trial
HDD contents: MP3s, Emulators, and a few utils
Description: Loaded Xenium OS > launch menu > Retail Kernel. Played Halo all night then found that it was banned next time he turned it on(which was late the next afternoon)
edit: This was the first time he had logged onto live.
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 17, 2004, 10:55:00 AM
Has anyone ever put a sniffer on the xbox port and see if something about Halo 2 - or the recent dash updates is transmitting information even though the game is only loaded in campaign mode?
I think this runs deeper than looking at gamesaves or hard drives... I think M$ has loaded a spyware package with Halo 2. I'll bet that you can get banned just by having your ethernet cable attached when you switch on your mod-chip - forget active detection MS now watches us even when we are not on XBL - when we play XB-Connnect or Kai as well is my guess - we need to analyse the packets that are being sent and find out WHERE they are being sent.
or - maybe I am just crazy as this would be a major violation of European privacy laws.
If I am right though then we will need to start looking at modifying our router security settings. - it may be one answer.
Regarding thre XBL Banning - Kai is a better place to play anyway. Fuck M$ - The other gamers on Kai are more mature and you have complete visability as to who is playing what games when. I dunno why anyone would ever use XBL with Kai out there.
Ghaz.
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 17, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| If they do ban people they should only ban people with copied games, that would make the msot sense, but not with something that was paid for. But then again MS has already got your money, so they could care less what makes the most sense |
MS says that it bannes modded boxes to prevent game hacks/exploits being used against non-modded boxes. They see this as the biggest threat to the sucess of XBL- if all the clean XBOXers out there kept getting blasted because someone with a modded box has configured his battle rifle to shoot rockets - then people would stop using XBL. So - it is not about copied games for M$.
Ghaz
Post by: -Gadget- on November 17, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (cyesergio @ Nov 16 2004, 12:02 AM) |
| Ok I've been reading ALOT (Even the big threads...)! I've not been banned yet...A friend of mine called me the moment he got banned, so I just turned xbox off (in the middle friggin great TS game Blood gulch (or whatever it's called in halo 2...)). He got the modified hardware error message. Either their doing multiple tests or something but I really think the LPC theory is a viable one... Here's what he did to his xbox: 1. Stock xbox 2. Modded it with I believe the Alladin chip and the xecuter bios, no unsigned code not even a different dashboard! 3. Got on live with the free trial (Midtown madness...), mod chip off 4. PLays mostly backup games nothin out of the ordinary 5. However he does plays H2 french off dvd (however he deleted all game saves!) 6. 11/9 gets H2 retail and creates a NEW gamertag 7. His girlfriends was playing splitscreen with a friend (still signed in) and sees the eject led flashing to chip on mode! 8. Next day he wants to join the TS Bloodgulch party and gets the modded hardware message! So I'm really thinking MS probes for a modchip or something, and now I'm scared to go on live! I was thinking on getting my local mod guy to make switch to REALLY cut off the mod chip (eg the power pins on the mod chip). What to do?!?! |
so are you saying that the HDD as never been changed, unlocked/relocked or anything !
the HDD is the stock one, (just stuff on it of course)
Mick ..
Post by: cyesergio on November 17, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 17 2004, 09:01 PM) |
| so are you saying that the HDD as never been changed, unlocked/relocked or anything ! the HDD is the stock one, (just stuff on it of course) Mick .. |
not even stuff on it!! NO unsigned code just a the installed to play backups. So I strongly believe this LPC thing....
Post by: somberskys on November 17, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: coalesce on November 17, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
and seriously, the xbox live tutorial you guys have on here is complete shit and needs revision. I bet half the reason all of you are banned is because you followed that fuckin tutorial. mainly this part:
| QUOTE |
| So, you are now at your EvolutionX dash or MS dash with the modchip on. You will then run a game (an original or a backup) or even a homebrewed program, and when the game is running, press the big eject button. Your Xbox will reboot and the original BIOS will load. The normal green Xbox logo will show and this means the modchip is off. Also, the modchip will now show the red LED. |
My eject button (and I bet a lot of other people's) don't load up the original bios. It loads whatever the button is set to. The original is just the default setting. I can see a bunch of noobs going out there not thinking and committing suicide on their xbox accounts. The whole "halo 2 has new protection" is bullshit, stop spreading lies.
and to whoever said kai is better than live: sure, if you can stand the FUCKING LAG.
This post has been edited by coalesce: Nov 17 2004, 09:12 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 17, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Neptune on November 17, 2004, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: illusionist on November 17, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: Neosabre on November 18, 2004, 04:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Neosabre @ Nov 12 2004, 11:38 AM) |
| Okay everyone. I thought I'd chime in with my two cents here. PURCHASED OCTOBER 5, 2004 Xbox v1.5 SmartXX v2.0 w/ Quicksolder Install (3327 OS) Xecuter BIOS 4983.67 1024k Samsung SD-616 DVD-ROM Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8mb Cache These modifications were done to this Xbox the moment it came out of it's retail box, so it was virgin in all sense of the word until I popped it's 6 cherries (torx screws). Anyways, installed EvoX at first cause I didn't know any better and used that for a while whilst using EvoX M8 BIOS. Then switched my BIOS to Xecuter 4983.67 BIOS, installed Avalaunch and UnleashX (which I currently use both, depending on my mood). Evolution-X is still currently installed; I just renamed it. ALL this is on C: drive. My E: has programs and my F: contains virtually everything else. My HDD in my Xbox is a virtual whore of dirty programs and stuff that M$ would have kittens over if they saw (Different .XBE's and all games that I OWN, of course). Got 3 month Live subscription, signed on (using the original BIOS option at the SmartXX startup screen), played Mortal Kombat: Deception, Dead or Alive: Ultimate, and Outrun 2. No problems whatsoever. Got French HALO 2 and saved games (which of course I NEVER signed on Xbox Live using the French game). Bought Halo 2 at Times Square at midnight. Played with French saves, signed onto Xbox Live, played some online deathmatch, no problems. Erased French game saves when all hell started to break loose here, signed onto Xbox Live, played for hours, signed on and off multiple times, still no problems. I'm on Live right now, been on for the better part of 4 hours now. No problems. Hope this helps somebody out. I'm not too tech savvy but this marriage theory looks like it may hold water. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just that but I just wanted to let everyone know what my stats are as of right now. IF I do eventually get banned, well I'll just buy another Xbox or something but here's hoping I don't. If ANYONE has any questions for me, about my Xbox or whatever at all, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them the best I can. I do have one question though... does the Xecuter BIOS 4983.67 w/ SmartXX chip prevent you from signing onto Xbox Live accidentally? |
STILL not banned. I think it is safe to say that my Xbox has survived this wave of "ban attacks" by M$.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 18, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (cyesergio @ Nov 17 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| not even stuff on it!! NO unsigned code just a the installed to play backups. So I strongly believe this LPC thing.... |
how have u got ya C: set up
regarding ya dash etc .. ??
as its also been noted that they are checking default.xbe, and xboxdash.xbe files ..
Mick ..
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 19, 2004, 02:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| and to whoever said kai is better than live: sure, if you can stand the FUCKING LAG. |
Well there is a surprising amount of ignorance out there regarding ICMP Ping. if you know what a ping is then you should be able to manage a kai game without any significant lag.
In simpliest terms think of Ping in terms of sonar echo. it tells you how far something else is away from YOU. Ping can only relate to YOU - not to someone else. You don't have a "bad ping" in the same way that you have "bad breath" - everyone else's pings are the round trip distance they are from YOU.
If you play on kai with other people who are in a similar gegraphical location and have decent connections then you can have a great game. Plus the fact that you can see who is playing - where your freinds are etc... accross the entire estate of available games is pretty good too.
XBL is NOT a real service. All MS does is BROKER connections. For example: When Ubisoft releases a game and wants to make it Live "compatible" they need to both pay MS for the right to make it Live compatible and then they have to setup the server farm to run the live game sessions. All XBL does is redirect you to the Ubisoft servers - they don't host your games.
M$ is a marketing genius. the software publishers have to pay for XBL and we have to pay for XBL but XBL is nothing more that a simple matchmaking program that has minimal infrastructure.
Dump M$! Thats what I say. Bastards.
bastards bastards bastards. Bundgie too. bastards.
Ghaz.
Post by: mc_365 on November 19, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
Xbox V1.0
X2.2pro
X2 bios 4981.06 with live blocker
200Gig Maxtor swapped in July Played live up until october before first bannig wave
Stayed off Live october - november 16 alltogether.
Original HD was on live on and off with Different GamerTags for 2+ years.
Original HD had stuff all over.
Never Been Banned with either HD.
Ugraded HD Has all apps and dashes on F:/
Before trying Halo 2 live I formated C: and E:.
Extracted Slayers 2.5 on PC and FTP'd Retail C: and E: files to Xbox.
Turned Chip off, Put memory card with live account save.
Put Halo 2 in go to live tab put password in and took live update.
Played Halo 2 on live.
Never Played Halo 2 with chip on.
3 Days later.
Deleted all saves of game that where played with chip on (no new Live games played from backups).
Restarted Xbox With chip off.
Put memory card with live account in.
Go to live tab.
Recieve network error message.
Go to trouble shoot .
Get Modified Xbox Message.
No Live Account Found.
What did I do wrong? What theory does this lean towards?
Post by: scared_of_msft on November 23, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (mc_365 @ Nov 19 2004, 10:09 PM) |
| Well here is my story. . . . Ugraded HD Has all apps and dashes on F:/ . . . 3 Days later. . . . Get Modified Xbox Message. No Live Account Found. What did I do wrong? What theory does this lean towards? |
There's been lots of evidence that MS has a database of EEPROMs, Gamertags, and HD serial numbers. The EEPROM and HD are tied to each other when you go on live. Changing your HD got you banned.
Post by: dyinman on December 10, 2004, 01:19:00 AM
I can get a good game going with someone from england (i'm from midwestern USA) without any lag because we both had a low ping.
It's only a measure of how fast your connection is with someone else. That's all.
Also, M$ announcing that they block modded boxes because of their worries about cheaters is total bullshit. Think about how online gaming works in Halo.... You load a similar map, with the same values. If only one maps values are changed (rifle shooting rockets), then the game will freeze or boot you off that game. You can't force your map's values onto someone else's xbox. Your xbox will be saying "shoot rockets" while theirs is trying to read it as rifle rounds. It just doesn't work, unless cheating is native to the game in online mode.
Have you read any forums on this? They all say the same. Also, try it out for yourself sometime. It's just like trying to play the modded Halo map files (halo cxe for example) with someone who doesn't have the modded maps installed, it won't work, period. It's just M$ trying to make themselves look like the freakin good samaritan with "fair play" in mind. Since when is fair play a part of M$'s concern? Seriously? A monopoly concerned about fair play would be a new one to me...
They just couldn't win by suing everybody and pissing everyone off again. All they wanted was to ban the bastards who mod their boxes.
ALso to all you fellas out there trying to figure out how to not get blocked, here are some sure-fire ways you will.
A) booting a different bios before starting the game
B) changing significant files in the root of C
C) changing your hard drive after signing on to live, w/o changing to a virgin retail eeprom
As far as everythign else goes, XBOX2 will suck, just as halo2 sucked (yes, i said it)... who woudlnt' support backwards compatibility?
Post by: feet14 on December 10, 2004, 07:35:00 AM
| QUOTE |
XBL is NOT a real service. All MS does is BROKER connections. For example: When Ubisoft releases a game and wants to make it Live "compatible" they need to both pay MS for the right to make it Live compatible and then they have to setup the server farm to run the live game sessions. All XBL does is redirect you to the Ubisoft servers - they don't host your games. M$ is a marketing genius. the software publishers have to pay for XBL and we have to pay for XBL but XBL is nothing more that a simple matchmaking program that has minimal infrastructure. |
The point of XBL is that it integrates the online gaming experience, transparent to the user. I don't care that games are hosted by direct Xbox to Xbox communication.
Post by: feet14 on December 10, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I've got the smartxx v1. I've been playing halo 2 on live since it came out and I haven't have had one problem. I have a 160 gig HD in the xbox, as well. All I did was lock the HD and boot up from the original bios. You guys need to get a smartxx, that's yer problem. |
No we don't. Any decent modchip allows you to boot from the original bios. You're probably not banned because you swapped the HD before going on live.
Post by: coalesce on December 15, 2004, 07:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (feet14 @ Dec 10 2004, 04:53 PM) |
| No we don't. Any decent modchip allows you to boot from the original bios. You're probably not banned because you swapped the HD before going on live. |
i was being mildly sarcastic, sorry i didn't make that more clear. And yes, my HD was swapped before going on XBL.
And in response to xlink; I am not saying it is impossible to get a good game going on xlink. However, I can logon to XBL and be in a lag-free (everytime) game in less than 5 minutes. On xlink, after spending a significant amount of time locating a low-ping game, and even then it's a toss up as to whether you'll be able to connect to the game or not. Even when everyone on the game has low pings, you still may not even be able to connect. Of course, this is all from my personal experience. So, to be more clear, XBL is simply more convenient IMHO. Xlink is great for what it is - a free alternative to allow everyone to experience online action. However, you get what you pay for in the end.