Post by: knodi on October 18, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
All my app and backup games are on the F partition so there is so way LIVE can see it. I have safe bios X2 4981.06 runing on Xbit. and I have a Maxtor 60gig harddrive installed.
How is this posible? I haven't play any games yet I was banned.
Something strange is going on. And of all the time this happens just before the Halo 2 release.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 11:45:00 AM
It may be possible that MS does it (spiesssss), but look at the point; this dashboard (5659) is pretty old and if M$ ever wanted to scan HDDs content it had this possibility much earlier! What I mean is that we have no fucking idea about the dash possibilities and what it can. I doubt that hdd content scanning was there for ages and it's activated right now- but it is actually one of the possibilities. Without any new software (which might be those "dangerous" games) MS cannot remotely put an application just for the moment of scanning the harddrive, cause Xbox and all the other consoles are just consoles- machines that can launch only one (but multistreaming) application at once. Every app is an OS for the Xbox- you can't launch any more program or add a data stream to it just like on your computer. ORRRR you may do it if you write such an app for the Xbox
. It's just crazy. So either it's the MS dash- real pandora box or the new games that spy the consoles.I've forgotten one thing that connects you all- ppl who got banned at least once, and then banned again. You all have the same HDD!! M$ maybe doesn't care if you have changed your HDD, but the only way to detect that it's the same console (physically) is to scan HDDs serial number. So i think that changing the EEPROM is not enough- think about changing the HDD.
Tell me one more thing; what games have you been playing before the first ban?
Post by: sakuraix on October 18, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Mekapo on October 18, 2004, 02:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (sakuraix @ Oct 18 2004, 11:33 AM) |
| I am thinking that the HDD serial theory is the best theory right now. I tried an experiment last night. I converted my Xbox back to stock, EVERYTHING stock. Since I never opened my Xbox before, that was as easy as restoring my hard drive back to the stock backup I had made before I ever done anything with UDE. Then I replaced with a new EEPROM. Deleted the 007AUF save. (All of the previous steps were done while my Xbox was DISCONNECTED from the Internet). Recovered my XBL account. Back on Live. Played on Live last night with Rallisport Challenge 2. Tried to connect this morning. Banned. The ONLY way my Xbox was different from a stock Xbox was the new EEPROM. |
yowza... I was gonna do that but it seems like its a no go as well. That new Xbox bundle is looking more and more attractive as the days go by...
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
Now I got a new box
(eeprom) with the same setup but now using the 80G for live and live only, no other save data or files....The strongest key to the whole deal is that I got a new GT.....what I figured was that no matter how many times I changed eeproms it was all under the same GT which I'm sure was being logged as to how many times my GT was being banned regardless if I owned 10 different boxs (eeproms technically) it was all under the same GT and HHD.
Post by: knodi on October 18, 2004, 03:34:00 PM
So what your saying is that my GT has been flaged.
What if it get a new unmodded xbox will get get banned even if its unmodded?
I don't want to change my gamer tag.
This post has been edited by knodi on Oct 18 2004, 10:35 PM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
| CODE |
[EEPROMDATA] XBOXSerial = "XXXXXX" XBOXMAC = "XXXXXXX" OnlineKey = "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" #ONLY Use NTSC or PAL for VideoMode VideoMode = "PAL" #ONLY Use 01, 02 or 04 for XBE Region XBERegion = "04" HDDKey = "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" Confounder= "XXXXXXXXX" |
All taken from EEPROM.cfg file of my Xbox. As you can see when you replace the EEPROM you change the HDD key and HDD online key, but the HDD serial number remains all the time the same and it's not stored in EEPROM. It's stored only in the HDD, so it means that M$ is using some new spying technichs- but that was a sure thing when we've heard about for the first time
. You got banned so many times beacause you had the same HW all the time. And M$ detects it somehow.So actually there are few solutions: EEPROM change and back to the stock HDD. Try it if you can. My friends were so dumb that they've forgotten to unlock thise 8-10 gigs, and they have changed EEPROMs 2-3 times, and forgot to make a backup of the first, stock configuration. Too bad, heh
.The second solution is to buy a new xbox.
But I don't fucking get it. Doesn't M$ loose any money on every produced and sold console? I've heard that it's about 20$ of lost these days for MS. We all use original games and bios, but they're banning us. What's the point M$? You can't find the scene and piracy, but XBL was a good argument to buy original games. There are about 9,5 months of my subscription left, and I think that I won't continue it if they will be banning me and pushing me to buy another Xbox.
Post by: knodi on October 18, 2004, 05:31:00 PM
This is strange. What are they looking at the cache drives?
I this all started when I switched from EvoX to Avalaunch.
I removed Avalaunch and went back to EvoX. Now I wait and see if I get banned again or not.
Post by: dzv on October 18, 2004, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
. It didn't help cause it was the same HDD and it had the same serial number. It would be best if he could say what he did...I'm checking my "banned state" every 2 hours and it's fine now. And I did all the bad things- including launching M$ dash with chip on and few more crimes ;P.
dzv: I gave 4 EEPROMs for my friends. I'm sure that none of those consoles ever went on Live, but the guys got banned as well o_O. It's not only about the EEPROMs anymore...
Post by: sakuraix on October 18, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 18 2004, 03:31 PM) |
| sakuraix says he changed the back to the stock Harddrive and he still got banned. This is strange. What are they looking at the cache drives? I this all started when I switched from EvoX to Avalaunch. I removed Avalaunch and went back to EvoX. Now I wait and see if I get banned again or not. |
Well, to make it clear, I have always been using the stock hard drive. Remember, I have never opened my Xbox, so I did not replace the hard drive (I used UDE). So, I didn't change the hard drive back to the stock one, I just restored a backup I made before I modified it (which included both the C and the E drives). The HDD theory still holds, I am still using the same hard drive. This experiment just proved that even though the HDD has nothing "mod-like" on it, I still got banned for the new EEPROM (which means MS is not scanning hard drives).
This post has been edited by sakuraix on Oct 19 2004, 01:59 AM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: exiva on October 19, 2004, 12:58:00 AM
a hd scan.and
c) i donno mabye this wont work....
Post by: Penfoldian on October 19, 2004, 08:07:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 19, 2004, 08:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 19 2004, 04:10 PM) |
| anyone thought about there IP address? |
Everyone thought about this and it's not possible as well. Did you think about dynamic changing IP? Did you think about passive IP and that there can be more than one person under this network and IP? M$ can not ban for this.
Post by: Penfoldian on October 19, 2004, 08:37:00 AM
We have
Mac Address. Changeable
HDD. Changable
Xbox. Changable
GT. not so Changeable
IP. Changeable
System Stuff. Changeable
My friend I know I have left out a few things but it is so easy to Ban and completely ban someone based on there gamertag, its just a simple database query and bam! your banned. The second u have been detected they they must have a list off all the systems banned and who it was online thats easy and to make a simple script making all systems be banned with that gamer tag is not impossible to do. However the point about using your gamer tag on someone elses Xbox again you think would cancel out that theory but that can be overcome too, cause they can also program that database not to ban users who have already had account on a xbox not banned so they dont get hurt by it. U got to remember this is M$' product they know it better than we do they know what can be done to it and what cant, what they cant do its determine how fast we get to know that.
why do u think they already had the system to ban moddified consoles if they did not know it could be modified?
Post by: solid7x2 on October 19, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
"Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system."
It doesnt say anything about having one defining thing. It will be very hard to determine what it is, and even harder the more 'new' ways there are to get banned. I am using a matrix with a larger hd, and havent gotten banned yet, but if i did get banned, im assuming a new gamers tag, new hard drive (any size not necisarily stock), and new eeprom would fix the situation.
why doesnt someone who is banned try doing this, and simply use one of those 2 free month codes so ur not wasting 50 bucks if it doesnt work? you used to be able to get them off ebay for $5, do a search on xbox trial. (not sure if they are still around)
also about MS losing money to hackers and losing money on every cosole, If you were bill gates and had the power to make the decision to take out all the 'hackers' (assuming the technology was already there) maybe he was tolerant before but halo 2 was the last straw. and if he can successfully keep all the 'hackers' continuously banned, forcing us to buy a second xbox thats even more money he can potentially make. also with halo 2 coming out he may not be worried about the chump change he will make on us off of live because overall im thinkin there are a lot more unmodded xbox's then modded. heres where the money is coming from:
"MS has announced that pre-orders for Xbox-exclusive title Halo 2 have passed 1.5 million in the United States alone, breaking videogame records and guaranteeing first-day revenues higher than any movie in history." from xbox-scene's front page
*edit* in no way however am i saying we should give up or stop trying to figure this out tho.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 19, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 19, 2004, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 19, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 19 2004, 08:48 PM) |
| The part about M$ finding away to detect those who have been banned before sounds dumb cause they always knew! how do you think u get banned in the first place? they allow to keep your gamertag providing u purchase a new xbox. Now they see thats not working there banning your arses even more!!! |
They do it, and they find those "banned at least once" Xboxes due to the hardware, which remains the same. How about Hard drive serial number? It's very easy way to find an Xbox again. But as soon as you buy a new Xbox - only for XBL, you become safe and your Gamertag will remain fine. Haven't you read, that M$ is banning actually "modded machines", not "users, who modify their consoles"?
Post by: sludem on October 19, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 19, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (sludem @ Oct 20 2004, 12:05 AM) |
| hmm now that a think about it it might be a little deeper than the hard drive thing cuz the hard drive in my xbox now was never banned before untill last week when all this started so what was the reason for that ban? if that hard drive was never banned before. man i dont know just hope you smart guys findout whats up and share it with the rest of us |
You, your brother, your friend, your dog, your parrot- they may be the reasons. I did not get banned. Check my newest thread if you want a new EEPROM.
Post by: sludem on October 19, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
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You, your brother, your friend, your dog, your parrot- they may be the reasons. I did not get banned. Check my newest thread if you want a new EEPROM.
Post by: sludem on October 19, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: knodi on October 19, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (sludem @ Oct 20 2004, 01:02 AM) |
| hey Knodi let us know how that works out with no chip and all that |
Ya i'm checking LIVE every 2 hours. I'll post it as soon as if I get banned.
Post by: Tsharkou on October 19, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
--xbox w/ smartXX using 4981.67 (disable live) however b4 the X2 bios I was using M8
--3 HHD setup but unly using one for gaming and such this was my 250G (which I was using when i got banned so many times), 160G (Linux), 80G (MCE)
After account was closed and banned
----smartxx w/ 4891.67, 3 HHDs (using the case Xtender)
-------HHD1 = 250G set as before
-------HHD2 = 160G Linux
-------HHD3 = 80G stripped to stock with only XBL Game Saves (ligit)
New gamertag and eeprom
Now it has been one week since I was screwed over by M$ in there rage about H2 and I am still good to go.
Post by: Jarkin80 on October 19, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
I have an evox modded xbox and got banned a while back because I accidently tried to access Live with chip on. Stupid and new to this.
I then had my entire mboard replaced, including eeprom of course, and had been playing happily online for several months. Untill I installed Avalaunch and pretty much straight after was banned again. This was the only thing that I had changed, and I can assure you I would never make the stupid mistake of trying to play online with chip on. I had every base covered.
Guys, I reckon it could have something to do with Avalaunch.
Just my feeling.
Post by: lithite on October 19, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
I know that M$ has a blacklist of Credit Card Numbers, because a friend of mine recently had a problem setting up an xbl acct because he canceled an MSN account at one point. However, this was becasue they considered it a, "nonpaying" card, and the legal problems with a gmaertag discussed later arise if they banned so called, "modded" creditcards.
I also know that it would be horribly illegal of M$ to ban gamertags. Cancell, maybe. But they would have to refund unused time. However, if they really banned the acct, then you wouldnt be able to buy another xbox and play with it.
Lets think this through though, people. They KNOW that a new serial number that was put out years ago isnt going to happen, so all of you 1.4 people who will swear that tey are banning gamertags, you just dont realize how obvious it is when you reflash your eeprom.
There IS a very easily accesible serial number on the hard drives that is not stored on the eeprom. They could have been logging these serial numbers and banning them as they came back. And based on the blacklist of creditcards, this wouldnt be beyond them.
However, if you LEGITIMATELY buy a new xbox, and transfer over your xbl acct using account recovery, I dont see how they can back up banning you. There is nothing illegal about that. Quite frankly, I thikn that the SH*TS who realeased h2 and brought this upon us are going to rot in hell, but its on their souls, not mine.
I am planning on purchasing a new xbox, and running xbl on that one. Nothing except the hdd serial number seems to make sense, and if they ban the new unopened xbox, it would be as easy as bringnig the unopened box to a service station to repair. I have had one instance on the phone where I lied and said that the xbox wasnt opened, but I had bought it used, and they said that if a tech looked at it they could unban it. So its that easy.
looking for a better way to use my remailing 10 mos. of live
Post by: thatboywade on October 19, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
Well that could be true cause I got banned a while back ago cause of avalanch on my xbox so that could be it. but here the thing from what I have been testing, The reason for all the banned accounts has to do with the hdd in the xbox . Some type of scan or server note cause I put a fresh eeprom on the box that hasent ever been on live. then booted up M$dash with the modchip uninstalled on the xbox and still got banned . So from what I know it isnt casue of the modchip . Feel free to help me figure out what live has done to us online gammers with mods thanks...
Post by: lithite on October 19, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: knodi on October 19, 2004, 08:44:00 PM
But after beening banned now for 4 times in 4 days. I removed my modchip and installed a new HDD so my everything on my Xbox is different nothing but my gamer tag is the same.
Its been 7 hours an still no ban.
Post by: sludem on October 19, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: thatboywade on October 19, 2004, 09:45:00 PM
I just was on the phone with 1800-4-MY-XBOX . I come to find out thew talkin to a tech that was strait up with me . Put all the bull$at to the side. They havent done anythin. No updates have been sent out for xbox users. Also it is possible we are getting banned due to the dash board u are using with the mod enable. Lets take down what dash board u are using and bios u are using for me to find out email me [email protected] and I will let u in on the emails from this tech who is helping me. I think that we are getting banned due to the ip config in the ini file of evox. Because I put a new eeprom on the box booted xbl with the modchip pulled out of my xbox and nothing happens xbox live work perfect. Now 2 times today I have had the mod installed put new eeproms on the xbox play offline in evox dash diffrent games went back on live and got booted . So lets do some research guys who in on this problem please email me and I will let u read the mail from live support . I have been banned from xbox live twice today after playin on the hacked dash. now follow these steps. 1 put a new eeprom on the xbox that is working on live. 2 boot evox and play a game on the hard drive. 2 unplug the xbox live nic cord to get on live. 3 reboot the xbox and fix the connection setting from manual to auto. the boot the xbox live with the nic cord in and you should be safe for now to we figure out were the data is being stored that is bootin us when we go onlive ..... I dont know everybody problem so keep up on this form and we will work together cause I got a inside on the support thanks guys .. and allso instant message me on thatboywade2 on aol instant messenger
Post by: sludem on October 19, 2004, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: lithite on October 20, 2004, 04:32:00 AM
but if theres one thing io know, the techs arent informed about the happenings.
I once got a tech who didnt know why I was getting the hardware modified message and said it was my isp. Im not saying they are dumb, im just saying, they are uninformed.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 20, 2004, 05:17:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned, and information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service again. |
Doesn't it sound like "something more than the EEPROM content will be tracked"? It deffinately does. That's why I'm working on HDD serial number detection...
Post by: solid7x2 on October 20, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 20, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 20, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
I just would like to know, is it people with AVALAUNCH being banned?
Post by: [D]J on October 20, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Now I have just one unbanned eeprom left to install but I won't install it until someone figures out what's going on.....
Post by: doctor_dj on October 20, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 20, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
But I dont use Avaluanch, Dont use Evox or ThcDash, but I'm afraid to say what I am using now cause boy! i cant risk getting banned!
however.....Avaluanch goes on the net to get news feeds and so forth updates etc and also u can telnet etc... so maybe there is a M$ Ava thing going on...???
Post by: JaXbox on October 20, 2004, 10:49:00 AM
I'm not denying that M$ might be scanning the Z-folder for specific ava-files, but it might just be a mere coinsident - and there's no real way of knowing when ppl have different offline and online gaming history.
It might just as well be that M$ is scanning for EvolutionX's evox.ini or UnleashX's config.xml - which are both easy to spot out because they have static file-names (correct me if I'm mistaking here - but I dont recall being able to rename ones config-file in EvoX or UX)
I'm more hooked on the idea about the static hdd serial!
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 20, 2004, 11:26:00 AM
. Or at least for few months more. Cross your fingers ;P.P.S. Polskaaaaa, Bialo- czerwoni
!
Post by: the joker on October 20, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
-TJ
Post by: Orangey on October 20, 2004, 02:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (homerboy @ Oct 20 2004, 09:23 AM) |
| I'm prepaid for a year... and have used maybe 6 months worth. Do I get a refund? |
Not gonna even go into all the jokes I could make about that one...
Post by: poiygon on October 20, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: tommyam on October 20, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
I see two ways of accomplishing this:
1) Llama' s 4 Connector IDE cable which is everything needed for simply using a power switch to toggle between modded and stock hard drives
-or-
2) Using hard drive carriages that allow quick and easy swapping of hard drives
So, is either of my two ways above fool proof? it seems to me that it is but i am a rookie compared to many of you and want the straight skinny if I'm wrong, thx
Post by: sirfloyd on October 20, 2004, 05:42:00 PM
Then see if you get banned?
I'm asking because I'm going to buy a used,untouched Xbox transfer over my live account settings and just run my live games on it.
I know you think this is giving MS more money but I have gotten so much out of my modded Xbox it's still like spending pennies on dollars.
Thanks
Sirfloyd.
Post by: ssj4android on October 20, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (the joker @ Oct 20 2004, 08:33 PM) |
| No we ain't cocky or ignorant, we just belive that xbox live shouldn't be involved with modified xboxes... and as far as eeprom accessing go, its capable of failing in any program. |
What do you mean xbox live shouldn't be involved with modified xboxes?
Post by: Orangey on October 20, 2004, 07:01:00 PM
But with regular stock XBOX's, the EEPROM is tied to the Hard Drive. So in other words a Stock Hard Drive from Box "A" can't be used in Box "B" unless it is unlocked, etc...
So, If MS banned you once and they recorded the Drive Serial. Then they see you playing again with the same Drive Serial but different EEPROM, they ban you again, and again. This seems to be the case 90% of the time lately. The other 10% are just the normal idiots who accidentally sign in with the Chip On, etc. Has anyone reflashed their EEPROM, and changed Hard Drives and been banned?
Just my 2 Cents, as I'm definitley no expert on the subject.
Post by: ceweked on October 20, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
I been on live twice today with no problem.
250gb HDD
dash Avalaunch
Post by: exiva on October 20, 2004, 10:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (Orangey @ Oct 20 2004, 09:04 PM) |
| Correct me if I am wrong.. But with regular stock XBOX's, the EEPROM is tied to the Hard Drive. So in other words a Stock Hard Drive from Box "A" can't be used in Box "B" unless it is unlocked, etc... So, If MS banned you once and they recorded the Drive Serial. Then they see you playing again with the same Drive Serial but different EEPROM, they ban you again, and again. This seems to be the case 90% of the time lately. The other 10% are just the normal idiots who accidentally sign in with the Chip On, etc. Has anyone reflashed their EEPROM, and changed Hard Drives and been banned? Just my 2 Cents, as I'm definitley no expert on the subject. |
i have changed my eeprom, and hd. but i dont know if ive been banned, my xbox is being fixed. soon as its back i'll let you know
Post by: djjsin on October 20, 2004, 10:39:00 PM
But I do have a friend who's Xbox I setup, usual setup, 160gb harddrive, avalaunch, x2.3 lite. He play's live all the time, has never had a banned system, and I didn't get to tell him what was going on until today. Last time he played was lastnight, and pretty much every day of the week before that, and has not been banned.
Post by: handles25 on October 20, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
If he gets banned I'll let everyone know.
I think MS is blacklisting two things. 1.Boot up with a mod on with live your fucked(I agree with this, no cheating.)
2.Jacked Halo 2 files. MS owns this gaming network. They can scan the hd if they want my question to you is why certain people and not others.
I assume they tag some files on the HD with a list of creditcard numbers and eeprom that have been banned before or something to that degree.
Id be willing to bet anyone that had been banned before and DL'd and played Halo 2(yes one player, not online) has been extra blacklisted.
There was a dash upgrade that made sure as shit Linux wouldnt work.
Carry on.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 20, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (Orangey @ Oct 21 2004, 03:04 AM) |
| Correct me if I am wrong.. But with regular stock XBOX's, the EEPROM is tied to the Hard Drive. So in other words a Stock Hard Drive from Box "A" can't be used in Box "B" unless it is unlocked, etc... So, If MS banned you once and they recorded the Drive Serial. Then they see you playing again with the same Drive Serial but different EEPROM, they ban you again, and again. This seems to be the case 90% of the time lately. The other 10% are just the normal idiots who accidentally sign in with the Chip On, etc. Has anyone reflashed their EEPROM, and changed Hard Drives and been banned? Just my 2 Cents, as I'm definitley no expert on the subject. |
Yup. Exactly. That's what I am saying from the past two days. There's wasn't anybody who has reflashed the EEPROM and changed the HDD yet, but I have sent an EEPROM to one guy and he will also change the HDD.
Think about one more thing now; If you've ever played on your stock Xbox on XBL and now you wanna mod it and change the HDD, you will also have to change the EEPROM. Uhhh... M$
.
Post by: shanafan on October 21, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 20 2004, 11:20 AM) |
| Another Quick Thing! I just would like to know, is it people with AVALAUNCH being banned? |
No, because I haven't been banned yet.
Post by: Nonny on October 21, 2004, 12:46:00 AM
I have one modded machine (Xecuter1, 80GB HD, MS BIOS) which was banned due to someone stupid going online with the chip on many moons ago. At the time the machine had the stock HDD in.
Since then I swapped back in the 80GB HD and change EEPROM at the same time. I dont use the mod in the machine anymore given its such an old chip and I havent been online in the last 3 days since all this noise started happening.
I'll be online tonight and I'll be using the same gamertag that was used when the machine was originally banned... I'll let you know how I get on.
Post by: handles25 on October 21, 2004, 01:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 21 2004, 07:45 AM) |
| Yup. Exactly. That's what I am saying from the past two days. There's wasn't anybody who has reflashed the EEPROM and changed the HDD yet, but I have sent an EEPROM to one guy and he will also change the HDD. Think about one more thing now; If you've ever played on your stock Xbox on XBL and now you wanna mod it and change the HDD, you will also have to change the EEPROM. Uhhh... M$ . |
Post by: JaXbox on October 21, 2004, 02:15:00 AM
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Post by: [D]J on October 21, 2004, 03:19:00 AM
I think that if you get banned all you need to do is to replace the EEPROM and that's enough to "unban the system". The fact that now many people (including me) are getting banned again even after replacing EEPROM has to do with the fact that probably M$ now also checks GamerTags and all the ones who have been already banned one time in the past. They probably can know many things looking at the EEPROM informations.... more than we can imagine! For example they could know in what country an xbox with that EEPROM number has been distributed and sold, after all every company in this world can know where their products have been distributed looking at numbers.
For example I bought my xbox in Italy (where I live) so I had an italian EEPROM in my xbox (in fact when I turned on my console for the first time language was already set by default to italian). Now that I was banned with my original EEPROM I bought 2 more ones on the Net. After installing the first one I noticed that the language was set to FRENCH by default (so I suppose that EEPROM had ben taken from a french xbox...). Then after a day I was banned again so I installed the other EEPROM I had bought and noticed that this time default language was set to ENGLISH! So I suppose there's some kind of country number and M$ can recognize, simply looking at EEPROMs, where a console has been distributed and sold. It would be interesting to try replacing my EEPROM with an EEPROM taken from another italian xbox but I don't have any.....
To sum it up my theory is that once M$ bans you for the first time they keep your GameTag in a black list and when you connect again with that GameTag they check if your EEPROM is from a xbox sold in your country or not. If not, you get banned again because they notice you're using an EEPROM from a system not sold in your country so they know that you replaced it. I know, you could say "what about if I bought my xbox online from a store in another country?". Well you could do that but I think M$ don't care if your GamerTag has already been banned one time...
These are only my theories of course!
Post by: CireZero on October 21, 2004, 03:24:00 AM
Post by: KaKoRoT on October 21, 2004, 08:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (JaXbox @ Oct 21 2004, 12:14 PM) |
....it's simply a question of if they are practicing it or not (and if so, is it illegal)  |
interesting view. for I have wondered this also they can do it, but aint there laws that protect us from them accessing our "property" of which they still assume belongs to them.
Post by: miggidy on October 21, 2004, 08:29:00 AM
OK so far we do have a few folks that haven't been banned yet from what I see in this thread. And these are cats who's setups are no different than the rest of us.
Whether they're running on stock or upgraded hdd's, modified dash or regular dash.... The difference between them and us is that these people have never made the mistake by signing on to XBL while their chip is on....
So is it correct to say that only people who have been banned in the past are now being banned left and right no matter what changes they make to their Xbox's?
It sure seems that way. Which leads one to believe that M$ is retaliating for the Halo 2 leak and has pulled the plug on GamerTags that have banned systems in the past....
Post by: fever on October 21, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 21, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 21, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
| QUOTE ([D]J @ Oct 21 2004, 11:22 AM) |
| Well I think that HDD has nothing to do with banning because I *strongly* doubt that M$ can check hard disk content or s/n. I'm almost 99% sure that the problem is NOT hard disk but other. I think that if you get banned all you need to do is to replace the EEPROM and that's enough to "unban the system". The fact that now many people (including me) are getting banned again even after replacing EEPROM has to do with the fact that probably M$ now also checks GamerTags and all the ones who have been already banned one time in the past. They probably can know many things looking at the EEPROM informations.... more than we can imagine! For example they could know in what country an xbox with that EEPROM number has been distributed and sold, after all every company in this world can know where their products have been distributed looking at numbers. For example I bought my xbox in Italy (where I live) so I had an italian EEPROM in my xbox (in fact when I turned on my console for the first time language was already set by default to italian). Now that I was banned with my original EEPROM I bought 2 more ones on the Net. After installing the first one I noticed that the language was set to FRENCH by default (so I suppose that EEPROM had ben taken from a french xbox...). Then after a day I was banned again so I installed the other EEPROM I had bought and noticed that this time default language was set to ENGLISH! So I suppose there's some kind of country number and M$ can recognize, simply looking at EEPROMs, where a console has been distributed and sold. It would be interesting to try replacing my EEPROM with an EEPROM taken from another italian xbox but I don't have any..... To sum it up my theory is that once M$ bans you for the first time they keep your GameTag in a black list and when you connect again with that GameTag they check if your EEPROM is from a xbox sold in your country or not. If not, you get banned again because they notice you're using an EEPROM from a system not sold in your country so they know that you replaced it. I know, you could say "what about if I bought my xbox online from a store in another country?". Well you could do that but I think M$ don't care if your GamerTag has already been banned one time... These are only my theories of course! |
And that's how you deny your own theory. I know people in Poland who bought their Xboxes in Germany and guess what... They did not get banned
. M$ has no right to do it. What if I move from Denmark to England? Should I get banned for it? M$ HAS NO RIGHT to ban people for reasons that may be illegal and not fair. M$ doesn't allow any modification of the Xbox. They can't prohibit changing the adress. EVERY theory that can be disputed because of its illegality, even by a smallest doubt, can not be implemented. Xbox can be a M$' machine, they have written some rules about the Xbox Live and it's only our fault if we don't keep them.Just think this way: If M$ saves hdd's s/n and EEPROM data it's extremely easy to check if the Xbox was ever modded (if ever banned first). Remember, that M$ actually DOES NOT allow any hardware modifiaction of your console, if you want to play on XBL. What I mean is: when you had been playing on XBL on stock hdd and after few months you have decided to change the HDD and continue XBL, you're banned. Why? M$ gets the hdds s/n and EEPROM as soon as you connect to the XBL, if the EEPROM is ok, but the HDD has a different s/n than last time, it means that the Xbox was modded. And so on- if the Xbox has different EEPROM and the same HDD as (theoreticaly) another Xbox had before, it's being banned again. Now banning means ban to the EEPROM and to the HDD. But it's nothing proved yet. I hope it won't take much time.
Try to remember it: Every theory, which can disputed for legal reasons, can not be implemented as a term of Xbox Live... because it would be illegal, duh.
Though... We all know that when we have bought an Xbox we should be the only ones who has the right to do what we want with it. But because "modding" means a possibility to launch illegal software (in case of consoles), it's in most cases illegal. And that's what M$ is fighting this way. You can add 100 LEDs (stupid- but it's also illegal) to an Xbox and you won't get banned until you will start modding the integral parts of Xbox- data and devices which store data- cause only this can be checked remotely. They have to figure out some inteligent screws for their next console xD.
When you remove the first sticker from the Xbox, there's a possibility that you will also use illegal software- that's why M$ doesn't allow any modification, but DOES give you a good service and warranty for their product instead of homebrew software.
Post by: Penfoldian on October 21, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 21 2004, 05:58 PM) |
| ...They have to figure out some inteligent screws for their next console xD... |
HAHAHA! thats funny !!!Is it correct for me to assume that in production of thier product they knew that all this could be done in the first place? I mean did not they allready have a system in place to ban those with modified h/w?
Post by: GamezMan on October 21, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 21 2004, 06:15 PM) |
| HAHAHA! thats funny !!! Is it correct for me to assume that in production of thier product they knew that all this could be done in the first place? I mean did not they allready have a system in place to ban those with modified h/w? |
Right on, M$ made the xbox easy to chip. its all a part of the "Master Plan"
Post by: miggidy on October 21, 2004, 10:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 21 2004, 05:57 PM) |
| Mac address changes when u use new eeprom. Then again I cant remember, but I have been banned before and I'm still ok... |
Are you running Evox or any other dash?
Post by: snyper1982 on October 21, 2004, 12:44:00 PM
like i said i could be way off, just another posibility to throw out there.
Post by: dFunk on October 21, 2004, 12:47:00 PM
http://www.theregist...of_banning_mod/
I havent seen it posted anywhere else yet
Post by: kezzz on October 21, 2004, 12:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (dFunk @ Oct 21 2004, 08:50 PM) |
| i just read this article..thought it might be helpful http://www.theregist...of_banning_mod/ I havent seen it posted anywhere else yet |
Post by: teetu on October 21, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
I would be curious about someone who fits the following criteria:
1. Original HD
2. No dash or apps on HD
3. Gamertag on memory card and not HD
4. Been previously banned and has reflashed eeprom
Anyone here with the above that has been part of the recent banings?
Post by: FoxRacR17 on October 21, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on October 21, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
I'm patiently waiting for my pre-ordered halo2 to arrive :-P
Post by: YouKilled on October 21, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 22 2004, 12:05 AM) |
| Halo2 has nothing to do with it. From what I've been reading here, it has something to do with the hdd. Either they're id'ing them or are scanning them.... |
How do you know it isn't Halo 2? If they're scanning the hard drives, then what are they scanning them for?
Post by: Strud1512 on October 21, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (YouKilled @ Oct 22 2004, 01:35 AM) |
| How do you know it isn't Halo 2? If they're scanning the hard drives, then what are they scanning them for? |
Save files from homebrew apps?
Hacked saves from specific games?
Non-retail system files (EvolutionX, Avalunch etc)?
Post by: miggidy on October 21, 2004, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: miggidy on October 21, 2004, 07:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (YouKilled @ Oct 22 2004, 01:35 AM) |
| How do you know it isn't Halo 2? If they're scanning the hard drives, then what are they scanning them for? |
I know that for a fact because I was banned and I haven't had the heart to diss Bungie by downloading Halo 2.
But I will say that all this banning going on has everything to do with the H2 leak.
Like everyone else has already said, there are people here who have apps, dashes, and other hacks on their HDD's and have not been banned as of yet.
It appears that there is a connection with eeproms and hard drives.
I have yet to hear anyone say that they have been banned while using a new eeprom and new hdd....
Post by: Yankee Ruin X on October 21, 2004, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: sludem on October 21, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
the been banned before thing sounds kind of right but i have a friend who has never been banned before and they got him too. the thing is we know they are banning us what we need to findout now is how are they catching us forget all the halo stuff cuz im sure you all who had it took it off and tried a new eeprom and it still didnt work
Post by: Yankee Ruin X on October 21, 2004, 08:22:00 PM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 21, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
Now my theory--After now playing for nearly two weeks after my xbox has been banned and account cancelled, I figure that a few factors took placed;
1. On the day I was banned I played Madden 2005 on Live w/ chip off
Then I turned my chip on to play TWG 2005 of the HHD. Shortly after I got an email from M$ saying that I was in violation of the "code of conduct" agreement and that my account is being cancelled.
--Now could this have been in result of the EA Games theory?
2. I had previously been banned aproximately 7 time in the past 3 months do to live aware and using the m8 bios (by choice because of the custom flash text i inserted on load), so now the were cleaning out those GT that they had once flagged before.
--M$ was pissed off already about H2 leak and decided to do a mass flag dump on previous flagged GT to prepare for the problems that may arise when H2 does arrive considering the hacks that were done to PGR2---and the did exist on live just like the R63 hacks did.
3. There are a number of things that could have gone wrong considering that all that got banned had some type of hardmod or softmod done to their box. So that alone is enough.
Now while everyone is sitting waiting on some solution here is how I look at it...
-I spent $50 on a new GT--not $149 on new xbox
-I still have my modded xbox but with a made stock HHD with nothing but what is required on c:\ and e:\ without any hacks
-I have been back on live for nearly 2 weeks without any problems
Sounds like the solution to me!
Post by: miggidy on October 21, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Oct 22 2004, 05:30 AM) |
| Then I turned my chip on to play TWG 2005 of the HHD. |
Did I just read that correctly?
You were playing online with your chip on?
If I have time tomorrow, this is what I'm going to do....
I'm going to install a new HDD with a new eeprom and I'll be logging on with the same gamertag.
This seems to be working for other people, so lets see if it works for me.
I'll keep you guys posted....
Post by: southbark on October 22, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| The facts are simple no one really knows how they get the info(except modchip on of course) they are using to ban people.Any post about it are just endless speculation. My advice is to for anyone who has not been banned to wait until after Nov 9 to go on XBL.we all know why there banning because only people with modded xboxes can use the info that was downloaded and played. so technically M$ can say anyone with a modded xbox has downloaded the game and played it.You must remember as far as they are concerned there is no reason for you to mod an xbox. I do mean no reason as far as M$ is concerned. Has anyone ever noticed alot of people post there gamertag here and if you Believe M$ is not reading these forums then you deserve to be banned |
Post by: southbark on October 22, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: thatboywade on October 22, 2004, 12:59:00 AM
Post by: dhcalva on October 22, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (Strud1512 @ Oct 22 2004, 01:40 AM) |
| QUOTE |
| Hacked saves from specific games? |
Can't be that I think, since there are legal ways of copying saves between consoles... Memory Cards, Action Replay, the one from xboxsaves.com...
I think
| QUOTE |
| Save files from homebrew apps? |
is unlikely as well since you could accidently copy those from someone else's xbox.
| QUOTE |
| Non-retail system files (EvolutionX, Avalunch etc)? |
POssibility there.
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Title: New Info On The Live Banns.
Post by: dhcalva on October 22, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
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Post by: dhcalva on October 22, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Oct 22 2004, 05:30 AM) |
| -I spent $50 on a new GT--not $149 on new xbox -I still have my modded xbox but with a made stock HHD with nothing but what is required on c:\ and e:\ without any hacks -I have been back on live for nearly 2 weeks without any problems |
By that logic, a gamertag that has never had an xbox banned and that is using the stock HD and is careful to always boot retail bios to play on live should be okay...
Good news for me! I have 3 HDs in my box, 1 for XBMC, 1 for 'Other' stuff, and 1 for Live (the original stock 8/10gb one).
As my modded X2 bios has 'live protection' in it, I should be good as long as I don't purposefully do something stupid (like boot M8 and try to go on live).
I'll let you know if I get banned.
Post by: NipsMG on October 22, 2004, 06:39:00 AM
Bottom line:
There's no real legal precedent (yet) on whether or not modchips in general are legal, or whether modding your Xbox is legal. Personally, I think it should be. I bought by Xbox, it's mine. I own it. If i want to take it apart and mess with it, I should be allowed to. If I want to rip chips off the board and use them for my own personal projects, I should be allowed to.. period.
As far as XBOX Live:
This is a service provided by MS. MS wants to make sure its online games are played fairly, and that noone gains an unfair advantage in online games by using modded boxes and being able to modify game files (and, obviously, they want to make sure you BOUGHT the games). In this respect, when you connect to the service, you have to play by their rules, plain and simple. If you pay for the service, and you break the rules, they can and WILL ban you.
MS can and will check for: larger hard drives than stock, modded xboxes, etc.
If you're using a gamertag that has been associated with a modded xbox, it looks like they'll let you recover it if you play nice and use an unmodded xbox to play on Live with. If you mess up again, it looks like they ban you, and permanently.
Instead of bitching and moaning and spending countless hours trying to figure out how to get around the system, why not use a HD splitter or an Xtender mod with your ORIGINAL, UNMODDED HARD DRIVE FROM THE BEGINNING?!?! I know it's too late for many people NOW, but there really should be a guide for newbies that says the following:
When modding your xbox, get a new hard drive, get a mod that allows multiple hard drives (splitter cables/xtender mod). Back up your original hard drive. Install new hard drive. ONLY USE YOUR ORIGINAL FOR ORIGINAL GAMES. Do everything else with your new hard drive.
Unfortunately, it looks like if you've screwed up already, you may be shit out of luck. Solution: Go buy a new xbox. Yeah it sucks, but I'm sure you can find a used on in your local newspaper for like $70. Then, you'll have one you can use only for mods, and one you can use for live. I don't know how much people are paying for extra EEPROMS, but I'm hearing people who have done it 7 or 8 times. Even iff EEPROMS are going for $10 a piece, you could have already bought another used xbox by now. Either way, you're going to have to spend a little extra $$ to get what you want.
Life sucks, get a helmet.
--NipsMG
Post by: Tsharkou on October 22, 2004, 08:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 22 2004, 03:24 PM) |
| Did I just read that correctly? You were playing online with your chip on? If I have time tomorrow, this is what I'm going to do.... I'm going to install a new HDD with a new eeprom and I'll be logging on with the same gamertag. This seems to be working for other people, so lets see if it works for me. I'll keep you guys posted.... |
Yes ready it right, but no I was not playing on live nor attempted to.
Post by: ZildjianKX on October 22, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: garyopa on October 22, 2004, 04:22:00 PM
are coming back BANNED, and some are soft-modded and others
have the TSOP with a switch and even others have the fancy shit
like Xenium ICE, one with X3, etc.
The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of
homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed
on the C: drive, that was BANNED.
My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with
"invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or
unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc.
Any thoughts on this theory?
Post by: southbark on October 22, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (garyopa @ Oct 22 2004, 04:25 PM) |
| The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed on the C: drive, that was BANNED. My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with "invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc. Any thoughts on this theory? |
Here we go more speculation
There are tons of people with all this same stuff on there drives and have not been banned.If they were this site would go down from the flooding .No one knows and until we here from someone workig at M$ we will never know
Post by: Mekapo on October 25, 2004, 01:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (homerboy @ Oct 25 2004, 12:16 PM) |
| I'm just weary of buying a new xbox, loging in with old gamer tag and getting THAT machine banned. I think Ill call MS today and just ask them |
Really shouldnt be a problem. I have been borrowing a neighbors xbox to play FIFA online while I wait for my new xbox to ship (new bundle) and havn't had any problems playing online. I had been banned many times previously and have no problem playing online w/my friends (unmodded) xbox
Post by: homerboy on October 25, 2004, 02:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mekapo @ Oct 25 2004, 09:57 PM) |
| Really shouldnt be a problem. I have been borrowing a neighbors xbox to play FIFA online while I wait for my new xbox to ship (new bundle) and havn't had any problems playing online. I had been banned many times previously and have no problem playing online w/my friends (unmodded) xbox |
Excellent
Thanks for the info.
Post by: sacd3 on October 25, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
EDIT: I have a v1.0 xbox, evox is the default dash but i allso have avalunch, xecuter 2.3, 120 gig maxtor
Post by: WITWICS on October 25, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
1. I have a brand new out of the box xbox
2. where the only modification was a modchip
3. I unplug the network cable before booting to the modchip to play backups.
4. when I do play xbox live, I am using the MS dash
will this keep me from getting banned? or will things such as save games from H2 or prereleased games get me banned?
thanks!
Post by: Gumba on October 25, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (sludem @ Oct 22 2004, 04:17 AM) |
| blah enough with the halo crap my friend didnt even touch halo and he got banned.could they have banned him for knowing halo was on the internet he didnt download it so it never touched his xbox and he was still banned so they are not checking your xbox for halo and then banning you. |
Actually, your logic is faulty. That just proves that they aren't only banning people for having/playing H2.
Another theory is that they are banning people for cheating on Project Gotham 2 by editing their downloaded cars, easy to check, just do a CRC checksum on the downloaded content!
I also believe people who have had their boxes banned in the past and now have reflashed their eeproms are also getting rebanned.
Post by: Mekapo on October 26, 2004, 08:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Oct 25 2004, 10:22 PM) |
| Actually, your logic is faulty. That just proves that they aren't only banning people for having/playing H2. Another theory is that they are banning people for cheating on Project Gotham 2 by editing their downloaded cars, easy to check, just do a CRC checksum on the downloaded content! I also believe people who have had their boxes banned in the past and now have reflashed their eeproms are also getting rebanned. |
This is my general feeling as well. I've had my eeprom banned before and played H2 and got banned. My friend who also had his eeprom banned once and didn't play H2 was banned as well.
Post by: deacon187 on October 26, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
after that i got a new box used it for live only for like 8 months, just modded it 3 weeks ago and tossed in 160gig, played tons of madden and nba live battle front, all on live, and have a save of some wierd french game. just looged into topspin now looking for a game, no problems at all
there has to be some other id # that is being matched along with the eeprom
whether it be the cpu or gpu who knows, would that be possible ?
Post by: nfs911 on October 26, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: xprimex on October 26, 2004, 09:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 18 2004, 06:31 PM) |
| sakuraix says he changed the back to the stock Harddrive and he still got banned. This is strange. What are they looking at the cache drives? I this all started when I switched from EvoX to Avalaunch. I removed Avalaunch and went back to EvoX. Now I wait and see if I get banned again or not. |
you can't use evox to get on live, you have to be on the original dash with MS bios.
Post by: dgyver on October 26, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: Orionn on October 27, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
eg. did you lock using Evox? ConfigMagic? Other?
Feel free to shoot me down if I'm talking crazy.
Post by: lowsodium on October 27, 2004, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: Killa420 on October 27, 2004, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 27, 2004, 11:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (lowsodium @ Oct 27 2004, 06:31 PM) |
| It is so obvious that they are banning red eject light mods. I mean come on....if you changed a stop light from green to red, wouldn't you go to jail? If anyone refutes my findings, go change a stoplights light and I will see you back on the boards in a few months. |
What is he on about?
Post by: Veryn on October 27, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
i just got rid of my avalauch files and just keeping evox. is there a way to do the file switch and still run slayers well?
Post by: bagofice on October 27, 2004, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: quicksilv on October 28, 2004, 10:59:00 AM
anyway, i just read some info i didn't know before : switched tsops ARE NOT safe. I always thought they were, but they aren't and MS can also use that to find a modded xbox. there is a doc on xbox-linux describing the problem
another thing i didn't know before, it appears the xbox has a hidden partition (5MB). I don't think that MS is using that, but they COULD easily flag your xbox as modded when you have the mod on (but are not using xbox live) when you enter the ms dash to manage your game save/audio tracks. They could place a flag on that partition, and no matter what we do we wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Next time when you go onto live, they might check the hidden partition for that flag.
something else i didn't know: it seems that certain games phone home without you knowing about it. Splinter cell 1 is a good example, it connects to MS without you even selecting to visit xbox live (SC1 is live enabled only). This is really dangerous as people who use a modchip and have there xbox connected to their router are bound to have send information 'back home'. Depending wether it also sends out the hash of your bios MS could have been building a really nice database full of xboxes that are flagged as modded. Not saying they did anything with that information, but it is alarming to know that titles connect to xboxlive without your consent.. see http://www.xbox-linux.org/Contents documenation page for more information.
MS has way to many ways to detect a modded box. If they really want to they could ban us all, i guess it's more wether they want to (as we still BUY xbox live games) and wether they can legally get away with it. But when people start to cheat even more on live they will do so as one of the strong points of xbox live is that it is relatively free of cheaters compared to PC online at least.. just my 2cents
Post by: mattme121 on October 28, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: garyopa on October 28, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
your switches must be hooked up with both 3.3v and GND on each side of
the two lines. Not the old way with using just GND.
I think the FLAGGING of infomation in the 5 megabyte DISK CONFIG AREA
is where the problem is. As this is also where your XBOX LIVE account is
stored. Remember the LIVE file is NOT A XBOX FILE, and you can store up
to 7 accounts on the HARD DRIVE without taking up any hard drive space,
so they must be STORED in the 5MB area along with the parition table, etc.
I think users when geting banned should change the EEPROM and totally
REFORMAT the hard drive maybe put the drive in a PC and use a ZEROING
program to security wipe the drive. Remember also all HDD's have a EXTRA
cyclinder at the end of the drive for TESTING purpose, which can contain
information.
Personally I have my LIVE account since the start of the XBOX LIVE system
and I have NEVER stored it on a hard drive, and kept it on a original XBOX
memory card, and as such have used it on hundreds of XBOX machines
some with larger HDD's and some with switched TSOP's and some with
modchips, etc. and I have NEVER had a problem or have been banned.
Post by: digitalxtasy on October 29, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: Dieseldoug on October 29, 2004, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: jonas1 on October 30, 2004, 12:16:00 AM
BTW, the theory about the Live account information being retained on the hidden partition seems to make sense. Before I figured out the "Account Recovery" thing in the Live menu, I figured I'd just boot with a EvoX CD with my original HD in, copy over the all the Live folders from the modded HD, and hopefully that would pull up my account information. Well -- it didn't work, prompting me to use the Account Recover thing. In any case, I thought this might help.
In the meanwhile, a simple fix to the problem to prevent being banned on XBL might be to replace the two device IDE cable in the XBox with a three device cable, add a power splitter with a switch inline, and there you go. I saw a tutorial for something like this already posted on http://www.llamma.co...a_harddrive.htm. Not the prettiest solution, and not the most elegant, but maybe the safest until someone figures something better out.
Post by: mattme121 on October 30, 2004, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: Dieseldoug on October 30, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
I'm just throwing this out there but would it be beyond the realm to think Bungie and M$ released a Halo2 version on the net with code knowing that the only people that would get their hands on it would be XBox modders and these same modders would load the games on their modded systems and BANG they snag ya!
Post by: dafuzzbudd on October 30, 2004, 12:57:00 PM
i tried my old hard drive with a new eeprom(possibley unclean) and no luck
do i need a fresh eeprom and a new hard drive?
my original eeprom got the "hardware modified message" but no longer does
any theories or guesses on what's wrong or how i can fix mine ? PM me please
Post by: Yoma44 on November 01, 2004, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: quicksilv on November 01, 2004, 10:06:00 AM
the xboxserial is in the eeprom data. it might be stored elsewehere also but for the moment we don't need to believe MS is banning on the 'real' serial as a lott of people can return to xbox live by changing eeprom + new hdd (+gamertag?)
[EEPROMDATA]
XBOXSerial = "315154523603"
XBOXMAC = "00:51:F4:61:6B:9F"
OnlineKey = "6F:B3:24:29:D4:FC:69:F3:E7:DA:CA:93:E4:B8:08:01"
#ONLY Use NTSC or PAL for VideoMode
VideoMode = "PAL"
#ONLY Use 01, 02 or 04 for XBE Region
XBERegion = "04"
HDDKey = "3C:C1:4F:09:B6:33:A6:76:59:26:E89:76:A1:BB:21:E1"
Confounder = "00:00:00:00:C10:C7:14:00"
Numbers here are changed by me
Post by: jabrbox on November 01, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: istvan007 on November 01, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
After that dumb mistake, I bought 2 eeproms and soon after installed the first one. It worked for about a week, but then I was banned again. The second eeprom didn't even work for five minutes. I then decided to bite the bullet, and I no whave a brand new box. Wich has been on live for 3 days running.
Btw, when I was doing my 2 attempts to recover my box. I was using my the original 8 gb hdd.
This lends some credence to the eeprom/hdd sn theory.
Post by: GamezMan on November 01, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (istvan007 @ Nov 2 2004, 12:05 AM) |
| Btw, when I was doing my 2 attempts to recover my box. I was using my the original 8 gb hdd. This lends some credence to the eeprom/hdd sn theory. |
So istvan007, had this hdd ever been online before ???
Cus u shuldn't of got banned if u used a stock hdd that had never been online before ...
Post by: Dieseldoug on November 02, 2004, 04:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (istvan007 @ Nov 2 2004, 05:59 AM) |
| Yes I had been online with the stock hdd. I then did a acount recovery after I put in the 120bg hdd. |
I did the same thing and I've been fine.
Post by: GamezMan on November 02, 2004, 01:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (evanman2000 @ Nov 2 2004, 10:01 PM) |
| Hello all, Im brand new here today. I would like to know if you can play XBL on a hdd/chip modded box. thanks. |
If u have never been banned before then u have nothing to worry about, just try to fit hdd and chip before u go online (doesnt realy matter though) ...
AND MAKE SURE U ALLWAYS TURN OFF CHIP BEFORE U GO LIVE !!!
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istvan007, If u used the eeprom on stock hdd then put big hdd thats why ur banned,, if been banned before u cant change things around no more if using the same game-tag... now if u change ur GT u can change sh*t around all day and u should be fine ...
Post by: punkasscrab on November 03, 2004, 06:59:00 PM
that wants to get on live for H2 but he has a modded box. It has a switch to change from retail bios to an old version of executor (I think) and a 120G.He switched to the retail bios and booted up. When he tried to log onto live for new account it goes through all the checks and passes everything until it says xbox live not found.
On the top of that screen is a place where it says serial numbers and all 0's
Should it show a number there and if so how can I recover whatever it was?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: mjortman on November 10, 2004, 05:12:00 PM
Here is my setup:
Xenium Ice Solderless chip
STOCK hard drive
STOCK DVD drive
EvoX bios and dashboard, both on C partition
I'm thinking that either EvoX modified my EEPROM files, or MS realized I had something other than "normal" stuff on the C partition. Since I have a stock HDD, I don't know what else it might be (although I don't pretend to be all-knowing in this whole ordeal).