Post by: oswald on November 11, 2004, 08:32:00 AM
BITCH: They ruined my PISTOL!!! They ruined my PISTOL!!!
Response: Get over it. It was one weapon from the original. They've re-tuned all of the weapons this time around to give each more balance. I'm going to say this now, and it will become a recurring theme. This game is Halo2, not Halo. Things change. Halo still exists if you'd prefer playing it, but I assume you'd prefer just bitching about whatever game you can. Yes, the pistol is less powerful. Some weapons are more powerful, find a new weapon.
WHINE: They didn't include all of the MP maps from HALO!!!!!
Response: WTF? Thats ridiculous. It's a new game with new maps, and they DID revamp some of the better MP maps from the first and put them in. I guess the bitch stems from the fact that they didn't put YOUR favorite level in the game. Again get over it. This game is Halo2, not Halo. Most sequels don't include levels from the original. That would be cheese. If they had included all of the MP levels from Halo the bitch would then be "Why didn't you make new maps instead of re-using this old shit!" Some people just can't be satisfied.
MOAN: I can't switch between vertical and horizontal split screen! Fuck you Bungie!
Response: Change your widescreen settings in the Xbox Dashboard.
COMPLAINT: I keep seeing the NORML mapping/BUMP mapping pop in on characters in the cut-scenes and in-game.
Response: This is actually a legitimate complaint that bothers me a bit as well. I hope they address it in some downloaded content, but I can live with it otherwise.
BITCH: WTF is that ending?!!!!??
Response: Yeah, it's a little out there, but it's totally Bungie's style. It definetly won't please everyone, and like the one above, I can understand peoples problem with the ending, I just don't think it was THAT bad. It felt like a Bungie ending.
WHINE: MP isn't like MP in Halo
Response: Good. This is Halo2. Everyone that I know that has dedicated some good time to the game with a good attitude to the game realizes that the game is a much more enjoyable, balanced, and stragecially complex game now than the original and like the original I think it will take time for everyone to catch on to all the nuance.
You used to pwn in Halo. You had three years playing it. You'll get good at this one, it's a better game, and all of the real pwners know it.
CRY: I'm so fucking disappointed, the game rocks but it didn't live up to the hype. It wasn't what I thought it would be. It doesn't include vehicle X, weapon Y and feature Z.
Response: Don't believe the hype. Do you know what game you are comparing it to? A non-existant game you made up in your mind. Bungie was up front about everything they didn't add or cut from the game. It just couldn't live up to the halo2 you made up in your head.
I think it's important to note that all these hate posts aren't the result of a sucky game in my opinion. It's because all the non-haters are still playing.
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Post by: oswald on November 11, 2004, 08:35:00 AM
WHINE: I can't grenade jump out of the level on Bloodgulch anymore. I can't do physically impossible things in the level anymore. I can't exploit a bug in the code to get me somewhere to snipe where no one can shoot me.
Response: Hahahahahah. Waaaaaah. Really, I just don't know how to respond to this one. Its just so stupid. Who cares? Its not Halo. It's Halo2. It's not bloodgulch, its coagulation. New physics. New areas. New gameplay. You want to warthog jump into the sky and kill with impunity? Play Halo and leave us all alone.
BITCH: I don't die when I fall anymore.
Response: There is some falling damage from extremely large heights. He's Master Chief for christ sakes, he's got new armor, he can take a clip or two of assualt rifle without going down, why is it so hard to believe he could survive a few hundred feet drop?
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Post by: crobar on November 11, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
im glad someone siad it lol...
here is my complaint
screaming at the top of my lungs: i hate all these people who listen to hype and dont take a product for what it is. shut the fuck up no one wants to hear you bitch about what 95% of of us think is a sick ass game flaws included. this game may not be perfect but its damn close...
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Post by: BobBrkersMyHero on November 11, 2004, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: Gokussj5okazu on November 11, 2004, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: iwannadie on November 11, 2004, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: gamefreakgcb on November 11, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
Edit:- Halo 1 "PISTOL" elites hate Halo 2. New sig i guess.
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Post by: Another_Enigma on November 11, 2004, 11:46:00 AM
no bots in MP???? wtf! i mean atleast give us the option... two people playing 1on1 just isn't that much fun, so i have to wait to get a group together to play, and being married, that's kinda hard! i guess i could have a friend over and hop on xbconnect but then i'll the problem of lagg and frame refreshing crap...
they changed the AI of the flood, i understand, they are starting to organize more, but part of what made halo1 fun was the flood being so balls out to get to you;jumping at you, chasing you down etc., this time they felt like i was fighting the covenent, but with masks on, they hide from me, try to ambush me, hardly ever jump at me, and only once they are in close range do they start to chase me...
the game felt like it was about 1 or 2 levels too short; i seriously thought my xbox messed up when i saw the credits, i mean they stopped the game at a bad point, MC had spent the last few levels trying to get to the ship so he could stop it/kill truth, so we got what, half way through his mission and have to wait another 2.5 years to finish it! and what about "saving earth" ?? it is still under attack from what i know, so we didn't finish that that mission either. i think if they had allowed us to kill truth, but left the rings active and earth in peril, it would have made the game ending 20 times better, just one more level is all it woulda taken, but just let us finish the minor missions we set out to accomplish, and leave the bigger picture open! not leave the bigger picture, open a new bigger picture (the active rings) and leave us off dead in the middle of a minor mission! and no, it wasn't a "bungie" ending, ok, leave us with a cliff hanger, but dont make us feel like we didn't finish the game... grrr, sorry i'm ranting, i'll stop
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Post by: Another_Enigma on November 11, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: gamefreakgcb on November 11, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Another_Enigma @ Nov 11 2004, 02:38 PM) |
| ok, my gripes: no bots in MP???? wtf! i mean atleast give us the option... two people playing 1on1 just isn't that much fun, so i have to wait to get a group together to play, and being married, that's kinda hard! i guess i could have a friend over and hop on xbconnect but then i'll the problem of lagg and frame refreshing crap... they changed the AI of the flood, i understand, they are starting to organize more, but part of what made halo1 fun was the flood being so balls out to get to you;jumping at you, chasing you down etc., this time they felt like i was fighting the covenent, but with masks on, they hide from me, try to ambush me, hardly ever jump at me, and only once they are in close range do they start to chase me... the game felt like it was about 1 or 2 levels too short; i seriously thought my xbox messed up when i saw the credits, i mean they stopped the game at a bad point, MC had spent the last few levels trying to get to the ship so he could stop it/kill truth, so we got what, half way through his mission and have to wait another 2.5 years to finish it! and what about "saving earth" ?? it is still under attack from what i know, so we didn't finish that that mission either. i think if they had allowed us to kill truth, but left the rings active and earth in peril, it would have made the game ending 20 times better, just one more level is all it woulda taken, but just let us finish the minor missions we set out to accomplish, and leave the bigger picture open! not leave the bigger picture, open a new bigger picture (the active rings) and leave us off dead in the middle of a minor mission! and no, it wasn't a "bungie" ending, ok, leave us with a cliff hanger, but dont make us feel like we didn't finish the game... grrr, sorry i'm ranting, i'll stop |
OK valid stuff and good to know you still like it. well have fun with Halo 2, Downloads will surely make it more fun. They most probably will have smaller MP levels and who knows we might even get more SP missions like we did with the first Splinter Cell. I hope they took out those missions to polish them up. Keep your hopes high people and enjoy life <
Post by: oswald on November 11, 2004, 12:19:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| no bots in MP???? wtf! i mean atleast give us the option... two people playing 1on1 just isn't that much fun, so i have to wait to get a group together to play, and being married, that's kinda hard! i guess i could have a friend over and hop on xbconnect but then i'll the problem of lagg and frame refreshing crap... |
Ok, first, they said from very early on that there wouldn't be any bots. Bungie felt they hadn't seen a bot that was smart enough to include and have it be fun. MP stands for multi-player, bots are just shoddy story-less repetitive single player. They want to encourage playing against actual humans, which is more fun, and more challenging than any bot that you could add. Xbconnect and Xlink KAI have made great strides lately. I play large 16 player games on a regular basis from my couch with no one else in the house. Some games lag, but look around a little and you'll find plenty of quick games.
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| they changed the AI of the flood, i understand, they are starting to organize more, but part of what made halo1 fun was the flood being so balls out to get to you;jumping at you, chasing you down etc., this time they felt like i was fighting the covenent, but with masks on, they hide from me, try to ambush me, hardly ever jump at me, and only once they are in close range do they start to chase me... |
But it keeps with the story and makes sense. Everything is turned up a notch in halo2, and the intelligence of the flood is one of them. I'm glad I wasn't presented with the same old gameplay again.
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| the game felt like it was about 1 or 2 levels too short; i seriously thought my xbox messed up when i saw the credits, i mean they stopped the game at a bad point, MC had spent the last few levels trying to get to the ship so he could stop it/kill truth, so we got what, half way through his mission and have to wait another 2.5 years to finish it! and what about "saving earth" ?? it is still under attack from what i know, so we didn't finish that that mission either. i think if they had allowed us to kill truth, but left the rings active and earth in peril, it would have made the game ending 20 times better, just one more level is all it woulda taken, but just let us finish the minor missions we set out to accomplish, and leave the bigger picture open! not leave the bigger picture, open a new bigger picture (the active rings) and leave us off dead in the middle of a minor mission! and no, it wasn't a "bungie" ending, ok, leave us with a cliff hanger, but dont make us feel like we didn't finish the game... grrr, sorry i'm ranting, i'll stop |
Ok, I can't help but agree with this a little. We're all salivating for more Halo2, but maybe that's the point. Maybe theres another level to come at some point in the future, maybe not, and maybe its Bungie being totally crazy, but they've got us all talking about it and maybe thats the point. Who knows? But I've seen many worse game endings in my life, really the huge complaint everyone has is "GIVE ME MORE" and in a way thats what a game like Halo2 is supposed to evoke.
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Post by: Sentient on November 11, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
WHERES MY BLOWJOB!!!!
I thaught HALO 2 WAS SUPPOSED TO COME WITH A BLOWJOB FROM A SUPERMODEL!!!
Damnit, Fuck Bungie.
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Post by: sp3cialk on November 11, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
I am a little upset that they couldn't figure out how to include the 4 wheeler into the game... and it wasn't hype... if you watch the dvd in the collector's edition they say exactly what i just did....
oh and those who complain about the no fall damage.... if you sheild is gone say from being shot while in a banshee and you bail at the highest point... you will die....
yes just like everyone else the complainers are very annoying... so are the extreme fanboys... they actully crack me up.... GOD THIS GAME ROCKS.... IT WAS SO WORTH THE WAIT... just play it... I'm a big fan but there is a point when you must realize ... it's a game....
Post by: flat_eric on November 11, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: zot23 on November 11, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
I would have liked to have had the bot option though, maybe just in unranked games? Or made it so that killing a bot or being killed by one doesn't count towards your stats?
Still, the game is so much damn fun in SP and on Live that bots are practically a non-issue. Fantastic game!
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Post by: Sentient on November 11, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
like Armored Core styleBUT i'm sure someone will figure out how to hack that... or bungie might release some more emblems or an emblem editor. BC there is supposed to be quite a bit of downloadable content for this game... cant wait to play on live, getting it friday
and hey, dont talk shit about the fanboy(s). Are people not allowed to get excited about anything anymore... or is that a "lame noob" thing too.
I waited in line to get halo at midnight and was on my way home to play a little 3vs3 by 12:06. Yes it was worth the wait, and yes it fucking rocks.
and eric, just bc you cant make the easter egg work doesnt mean no one can
Edit: 4 player Co-Op woulda been the shit too
Post by: darkslider802 on November 11, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| my only complaint is: WHERES MY BLOWJOB!!!! I thaught HALO 2 WAS SUPPOSED TO COME WITH A BLOWJOB FROM A SUPERMODEL!!! Damnit, Fuck Bungie. |
hahhaahhahhah me to
Post by: Crypty on November 11, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
Post by: Crypty on November 11, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
You are not funny. Next time make your post useful.
Post by: RustAngel on November 11, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
)So:
1) No NAV points mean you never know where you're supposed to be going. Cortana usually tells you your goal in general terms, but she usually chooses to do this in the middle of a pitched battle when you're too busy fighting to listen. This means that usually you don't know what you're doing, or how to do it, and you just spend ages wandering around until you stumble onto a path or a door - this is just bad design - the NAV points worked so well in Halo 1, why remove them in Halo 2 (apart from as a cheap way to make the game last longer)?
2) Why repeat so much content from the first game? I understand if you're going to save the big battle for Halo 3 (although it might have been nice not to imply otherwise beforehand), but why not take us somewhere new instead of back to another halo, another library...just doing these missions over again as an elite is not originality, it's a cheap way out.
3) Three years of development time is not enough to justify a couple of new enemies, one new vehicle, dual wielding and a 10-hour SP mode. There is a new physics engine, but its just the Havoc engine from Max Payne 2, it's not like Bungie wrote a whole new engine for this. Granted there are a lot of new MP maps, but I still don't really feel that such a long lead up is justified for what we got in the end.
4) There is no "smart" way to kill the brutes, you just have to wait until they finish smashing you, then empty clips until they die...they are not a well-designed enemy like the Elites, just frustrating...again, with this amount of dev time, I think they really could have been given more polished AI.
5) The repetitive level design thing again, Bungie specifically stated that they were going to take care of this in Halo 2 - I didn't really have a problem with it the first time around because after all, Halo was a machine...using the same excuse again in Halo 2, however, is just lazy - it just feels like they are doing the same thing over again because they couldn't be bothered putting real effort into the level design. The first level of H2 on Earth was awesome, why couldn't they put a similar amount of care into the rest of it?
6) The plot is really badly explained - granted I should maybe have read the books, but building that much assumed knowledge into a game is bad design - if you're going to do that, is it too much to ask to have a quick prologue to explain facts so everyone has an equal chance of enjoying the game? Both myself and my flatmate were left completely confused at the end of this game, it's badly written, pure and simple - I still don't quite know why the Redeemer needed to team up with the humans, which covenant leader betrayed which other one and why, and what relevance that big flood hivemind thing has to anything.
7) If the Halos were activated to wipe out the flood, supposedly extinguishing all life within several galaxies in the process, then why are the halos infested with them? Pretty crappy weapons of last resort...it's kinda like building an anti-termite gun out of wood
Overall there's a lot of cool things in H2 - enemies sniping, no more pistol whores (although I think they should have kept the pistol scope but just reduced its power - the game without it now is a bit less based on aiming and a bit more about autofire), beautiful graphics and music...but the lacking elements make it fatally flawed to me. You could tell a lot of time and effort went into the first Halo...I just don't feel this the second time around.
Thoughts anyone?
Post by: chefelf on November 11, 2004, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: IheartHuckabees on November 11, 2004, 06:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (Thraxen @ Nov 12 2004, 02:15 AM) |
| Why have them in the first place? Halo 1 had them but they were only truly helpful on Two Betrayals (that's the level where you disrupt the beams, right? I forget). Other than that the levels are fairly linear. Do you complain about lack of nav points in games like Mario 64 too? The game is called "Halo" and the first game revealed that there were many such installations. It makes sense that you would wind up at another one. The Library? This one was like the first one in name only. The level design was totally different. They have about as much in common with one another as they do with the "Library" in Goldeneye (N64). The Library is also key to the functioning of the Halo installations so, again, it made sense in the story to wind up there again. That complain makes no sense. This complaint may be more justified. But you are still asking quite a bit in terms of the story to ask for a whole bunch of new enemies. How would they explain it in terms of the story if a dozen new enemies popped up? I suppose the could have added more, but with as much whining about what I think is a good story you guys have been doing already I would imagine you would just be b!tching about the lack of explanation for all the new foes.... kind of like the way some of you have been whining about the lack of explanation for the big venus fly-trap looking creature. But I do agree that more vehicles would have been nice. As for the 10 hour game time... not many FPS games last any longer than that and, really, not many games in general do. Seems people have forgotten days past (or are gaming n00bs) when you had games like Mario that could be beaten in mere minutes. Huh? The smart way is to whack them with a sword. I agree here. Though I did find this game to be less repetitive than Halo 1. I totally disagree here. I found the story very coherent and interesting. When you say "Redemeer" do you mean the "Arbiter" (Covenant Elite you play as)? Arbiter joined up with the humans because the prophet ordered the Brutes to kill him after he completed his mission and he had come to realize that the Heretic was telling the truth about Halo's function which meant that he and humans had the same goal in stopping the activation of the Halo (the Great Journey as the Prophets called it). Plus he was in need of some revenge against his former allies. This all made perfect sense to me and I really found it easy to follow. Play again and pay attention to everything that is said. This was explained in the first game. The rings had research facilites on them where the Flood were studied so many were kept there. Guilty Spark mentioned that the Convenant accidently released them on the first Halo. I don't think it was explained why they were out on the second ring. Someone must have released them or they had escaped. Afterall, these rings have apparently been abandoned for a while. |
everything you said is true
and halo is the weapon to wipe out the flood, yes, but as stated above, they were kept to be researched (the only flood ones that are kept for research are the big ones with the little ones inside them, the ones that go POP, as the rest of the flood are mutated humans or covenant)
as the only way the flood would be a risk is if humans or other life forms got to them, having them kept on the halos wasnt a big risk, because during the forerunners time, no other lifeforms exsisted (if youve read the books, and followed alot of theories and other "fanboy" stuff, youd know that)
Post by: JordanK on November 11, 2004, 07:01:00 PM
ANYWAYS
The game is a great game, it's just that some people are to blind to see it. You are all caught up in the hype that was around before the game was released. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. People can't say "HALO 2 WILL BE THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME" 1 year or even 5 months before its released. MOST of the problems people have been stating are personal preferences. IE sniping with pistol. Changed vehicle physics and speed, etc. Some people like the new vehicle changes and the pistol. Bungie or any game company in fact cannot please everyone. So they go with what THEY think is fair and will overall level out the game to be as releastic and balanced as possible.
The only thing that disapointed me was the ending and the graphic detail things in cutscenes and sometimes during play. I have accepted the fact that the ending is a cliffhanger and a bridge to the next Halo 3. (I hope) So i'm not disapointed anymore. And the graphic thing I can live with, itks not that bad.
Hype is not always a good thing for a video game. At first its good because of advertising, free! But once the game is in devolpment people spread rumors. Saying X will be in the game. The game company is pressured into adding X but may not have enough time, space, or it wont fit.
No matter what not everyone can be please.
LOL yeah I jumped around...a lot, which explains why i'm getting D's in English class. Well those are my opinions so have fun!
Post by: RoninX7 on November 11, 2004, 11:46:00 PM
I honestly have my complaints about HALO 2, but they seem very different from the ones everyone else is chiming in with (except for the ending, that one came WAY out of left-field. It was like Soul Reaver all over agian. Or Matrix Reloaded).
Post by: powercntrl on November 12, 2004, 12:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (RoninX7 @ Nov 12 2004, 02:49 AM) |
| I honestly have my complaints about HALO 2, but they seem very different from the ones everyone else is chiming in with (except for the ending, that one came WAY out of left-field. It was like Soul Reaver all over agian. Or Matrix Reloaded). |
Yeah, I liked Halo 2. The gameplay was a hell of a lot of fun and I felt it was a significant improvement over Halo 1. My biggest complaint is just that it was too short and didn't really come to a conclusion at the end. It was like playing 2/3s of a game.
The comparison to The Matrix is very accurate. Halo 1 ended just like the original Matrix. While the endings of both were still "open", the hero did everying he set out to do and you really didn't know exactly where things were going to go next. Both heros "rode off into the sunset" (sci-fi style), as well. Halo 2 AND Reloaded ended exactly the same way, right in the middle of a battle. I wasn't disappointed with Reloaded though because I knew Revolutions was going to be released shortly. Halo 3 could be years away. Leaving the audience wanting more is a good thing, but what Bungie did was yank the plate away while I was still eating.
I still haven't gotten a chance to play some multi-player yet, so perhaps that will be one of the redeeming characteristics of the game. I hated the damn pistol in Halo 1.
Post by: gcskate27 on November 12, 2004, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: trentdadi on November 12, 2004, 03:04:00 AM