Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 25, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
x360key - ODD Emulator Loading Games from any USB Media Posted by XanTium | April 25 17:14 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: blastagator on April 25, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: sqad5 on April 25, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: klbarnes1 on April 25, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: thesonandheir on April 25, 2011, 04:25:00 PM
best thing ever.
Post by: DevilDave on April 25, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: sektor1062 on April 25, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
But still exciting.
Post by: W1zz on April 25, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
No it aint April 1st.
Things just maybe getting a little interesting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
This post has been edited by W1zz: Apr 25 2011, 11:35 PM
Post by: Dark Mod on April 25, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
QUOTE(blastagator @ Apr 25 2011, 06:19 PM) 
Holy mother of god!
can I get a hallelujah......and an AMEN!!..xD
Post by: robsonnbi on April 25, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: krizalid on April 25, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
Now that's something really cool, except for no homebrew, since it's only meant to pirate games
Post by: moreniu on April 25, 2011, 04:48:00 PM
I just hope it not linked to team x by any means, but wait! They will clone it as soon as they can! Burn tx, burn.
Post by: ploggy on April 25, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on April 25, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Warpilein on April 25, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Dark Mod @ Apr 26 2011, 12:37 AM)
can I get a hallelujah......and an AMEN!!..xD
Hallelujah!!! AMEN Bruder!!!!
Post by: fratslop on April 25, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: dragoscojan on April 25, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
also
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Supports most Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 games
so how many really?
and since the beta 2.0.13141 dash can flash the dvd drives,i think this device can be easily made useless with a dashboard update.
i think it will only be succesful if it has a low price point,and if xgd3 games are impossible to burn to a regular dvd+r dl.otherwise drive flashing is still a better option (of course,nothing beats jtag's).
This post has been edited by dragoscojan: Apr 26 2011, 12:18 AM
Post by: XOR101 on April 25, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
And again pre-order without sending out any samples or anything to anyone...
Post by: klbarnes1 on April 25, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on April 25, 2011, 04:58:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Apr 25 2011, 06:49 PM)
Seems like it would be something easy for MS to patch though.
Not really. If they can't stop backups they probably can't stop this.
Post by: 69218 on April 25, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 25, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Also with the new xgd3 it might be impossible to backup using DVD-DL since there's more data on the disc than what a traditional DVD-DL blank can store. So this might be our only option. But the Xbox Live part worries me.
This post has been edited by Evi1d33d: Apr 26 2011, 12:19 AM
Post by: xmugen360 on April 25, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: modslave on April 25, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
QUOTE(69218 @ Apr 26 2011, 12:08 AM)
Jesus from that clip it looks bigger than the DVD drive
If this ever gets released never mind gain traction its interesting to know it even exists!
Post by: itoktoeatfish on April 25, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: PirateElf on April 25, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: Harbinger076 on April 25, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(PirateElf @ Apr 25 2011, 06:53 PM) 
My only qualm about this thing is it seems presumptuous that it would work after this new dashboard drops.. Unless they are planning to release after it drops and after testing....
meh.. get em to send me one ill tell you if it works on the beta dash's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) lmao..
Post by: beasty54 on April 25, 2011, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 26 2011, 12:14 AM)
The key word is Linux. We can probably reverse engineer the firmware and run it of our computers. Once the linux OS is dumped then there's no way for M$ to shut it down.
Also with the new xgd3 it might be impossible to backup using DVD-DL since there's more data on the disc than what a traditional DVD-DL blank can store. So this might be our only option. But the Xbox Live part worries me.
XGD3 isn't a disc format, its a file structure. The new games using this file structure are on the same DL-DVDs that they have always been on, microsoft have simply changed the structure to give them an extra 1gb of usable space.
Back on topic though.... I dont believe for one minute that this device will allow you to play the games from the HDD while connected to LIVE, hopefully they will prove me wrong though.
Apparently the X360Key is made by these guys if anyones interested.
http://www.wodejukebox.com/
QUOTE(modslave @ Apr 26 2011, 12:19 AM)
Jesus from that clip it looks bigger than the DVD drive
Its a prototype
Post by: lord^infamous on April 25, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
I say god damn.
Post by: InvidiousDemise on April 25, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 25, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(beasty54 @ Apr 26 2011, 01:24 AM)
XGD3 isn't a disc format, its a file structure. The new games using this file structure are on the same DL-DVDs that they have always been on, microsoft have simply changed the structure to give them an extra 1gb of usable space.
Team Xecuter has some info about the new XGD3 format:
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The data reads larger than a DVD+R DL but that may be faked / new protection so we will see.
The disc updates dash to 2.0.13140.0
Testing begins .
Source: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=730409
Post by: CelerionQ on April 25, 2011, 06:39:00 PM
http://bit.ly/hpBKrj (Link to Google Docs PDF)
Post by: nbrooks311 on April 25, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: sminitis on April 25, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: guily666 on April 25, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
I wonder why no one ever knew anything about it, And it goes out exactly at the point where M$ flashes our drives, and drives firmwares = dying...
I bet they will ask 100$ 4 it. Sadly Im gonna have to pass this, I wont waste more money with the 360. Sooner i will acquire a new PC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) .
ps: But Hell... GOOD NEWS. though too bad it's not a new bug that would allow us to j-tag every 360, if that was the case, i would give 100$ and more 4 it...
Keep Cool
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Post by: symbal on April 25, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: sudeki300 on April 25, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: nvcheeko on April 25, 2011, 07:11:00 PM
I have the Wode for Wii and they have a great product if the rumors are true that they made it..
Post by: XOR101 on April 25, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
QUOTE(sudeki300 @ Apr 26 2011, 03:10 AM)
ok ley me get this right in my head, so ineffect it;s sort of like a xbox jailbreak donlge so to speak. you just plug this little sucker with the external hdd containing games. thne you can just run them from that, is the original disk still needed in the drive any just any disc.......................sudeki300
No you still need to open the 360 and put something between the sata of the DVD drive and the xbox
Post by: wolrahnaes on April 25, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
QUOTE(klbarnes1 @ Apr 25 2011, 06:21 PM)
DUDE can this be used on a regular xbox 360 thats not modded and soon to be xbox live supported. This thing sounds great. Although dual layer dvds are as low as 50 cents per disk this still sounds pretty damn cool!!!
As far as "modded" or not, to the Xbox this would appear the same as a firmware flashed DVD drive. I haven't kept up on things, but if it's possible to currently be "stealth" with backups on a flashed drive, this could also be equally stealthy. You still would have to void the warranty to install it.
QUOTE(fratslop @ Apr 25 2011, 06:50 PM)
!!!!! I wonder if this will ever be able to launch homebrew.... Never thought I would see anything like this!
No. See above.
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 25 2011, 06:56 PM)
so how many really?
There's no reason to believe it's not nearly all 360 games and 360-compatible originals. I expect there will be some initial bugs, but the released information implies upgradeability, so those being fixed over time is not a major stretch.
QUOTE
and since the beta 2.0.13141 dash can flash the dvd drives,i think this device can be easily made useless with a dashboard update.
See above, if it can be upgraded it can remain equal to a flashed DVD drive. Since it's good practice for flashed drive users to hold back on dash updates anyways, assuming the company behind the device is timely with their updates I wouldn't anticipate this being a problem. It could also possibly emulate older drives which the dash does not flash.
QUOTE(XOR101 @ Apr 25 2011, 06:56 PM)
hmmm hard to believe...
You're right to be skeptical, this is the console mod community after all, but it's not like they're claiming anything infeasible. SATA device emulation is not exactly rocket science, for the most part it's just following the spec and returning the data desired. If you've ever used Daemon Tools or similar, it's doing the same thing entirely in software (though it emulates SCSI rather than SATA to my knowledge [though that gets to be a strange distinction since both PATA and SATA CD-ROM drives use ATAPI to encapsulate SCSI commands on ATA]).
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 25 2011, 07:14 PM)
The key word is Linux. We can probably reverse engineer the firmware and run it of our computers. Once the linux OS is dumped then there's no way for M$ to shut it down.
My best guess is that this is an ARM or MIPS processor of some sort running Linux connected over a decently high speed bus to a FPGA which handles the majority of the SATA interface. It may have Linux operating the user-facing bits, but the loader application and the FPGA code (if I'm right) will likely be closed source. Here's hoping I'm wrong on that. In any case though, it will require custom hardware and likely is running custom software compiled for a processor that's not x86, so running the firmware on a normal computer is very unlikely.
QUOTE(xmugen360 @ Apr 25 2011, 07:19 PM)
i must say incredible news i bet ms rues the day they allowed usb removable media to be formatted to/by the 360 filesystem...with that said this has to be $100 n up...wonder if there method can be reversed...and here i remember laughing at a thread here about emulating the 360rom drive my apologies that fellow was right all along...
This has nothing at all to do with the official USB removable media support. The USB drive does not get plugged in to the console, but in to the box that now sits between the motherboard and the DVD drive.
QUOTE(PirateElf @ Apr 25 2011, 07:53 PM)
My only qualm about this thing is it seems presumptuous that it would work after this new dashboard drops.. Unless they are planning to release after it drops and after testing....
See fourth response.
QUOTE(sminitis @ Apr 25 2011, 08:49 PM)
that means we can load isos from an external hard drive?
Whether it would be entirely that simple has yet to be determined, but that's the basic idea. The process for getting the backups on to the hard drive may be a bit more complicated than just dragging the image over, but as far as I can tell there's no reason it has to be so it may in fact be just that easy.
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QUOTE(40_ounce @ Apr 25 2011, 09:17 PM)
I'm surprised no one asked if they could be banned for using this... lol.... Very interesting device.
And in case anyone is wondering, as noted in the first response, the 360 would see this exactly the same as a flashed DVD drive. They'd detect it in the same way and ban for the same reasons. It could also be stealthed in the same ways. If all current protections are properly emulated, it should be equal to a good firmware.
Post by: 40_ounce on April 25, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: pif001 on April 25, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 25, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(40_ounce @ Apr 26 2011, 02:17 AM)
I'm surprised no one asked if they could be banned for using this... lol.... Very interesting device.
No Xbox Live support yet so probably highly detectable as of now.
Post by: DMagic1 on April 25, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Twis7eD on April 25, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: 40_ounce on April 25, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 25 2011, 06:29 PM)
No Xbox Live support yet so probably highly detectable as of now.
Yeah I wasn't asking if you could get banned I was just making a joke about the noobz...lol... I don't flash my drives any more I don't care to go on xbox live with a flashed console and I also got tired of burning disc. I just play from HDD using my Jtag. But back on topic I think this device is very interesting and will be watching. My friends are always asking me to flash their 360 I don't do it because I don't want phone calls about how do I do this and how do I do that. Maybe I can just tell them to buy this.
Post by: reidy- on April 25, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
i.e. USB2.0 on a good day hits ~30MB/s but I have no doubt that the DVD drive reads much fast than that.
unless the x360 key has a flash buffer onboard to load the image onto
I guess you can install the game to HDD
what does every one else think?
Post by: foundmy on April 25, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
it will be a great product!
Post by: valkirie on April 25, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: boflc on April 25, 2011, 07:55:00 PM
QUOTE(CelerionQ @ Apr 25 2011, 07:39 PM)
Because too many people believe that this does make jtags and drive flashes obsolete I tried to make a comparison between the x360key, ixtreme lt+ and jtag hack:
http://bit.ly/hpBKrj (Link to Google Docs PDF)
Very nice, thank you.
Post by: dragoscojan on April 25, 2011, 07:58:00 PM
QUOTE(wolrahnaes)
See above, if it can be upgraded it can remain equal to a flashed DVD drive. Since it's good practice for flashed drive users to hold back on dash updates anyways, assuming the company behind the device is timely with their updates I wouldn't anticipate this being a problem. It could also possibly emulate older drives which the dash does not flash.
it can emulate an older drive,but as long as it doesn't change the osig in the console's nand,the 360 will try to flash it.
also,samsung drives do get flashed by the new beta dash.im not sure about hitachi's.
Post by: Milker on April 25, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Assuming it still needs the drive key or is that irrelevant?
What about Probe/MRA drives?
Post by: boflc on April 25, 2011, 08:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Milker @ Apr 25 2011, 09:21 PM)
Interesting...
Assuming it still needs the drive key or is that irrelevant?
What about Probe/MRA drives?
drive key is most recently required.
Post by: Murc on April 25, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 25, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
QUOTE(reidy- @ Apr 26 2011, 02:44 AM)
Only concern I have is the bandwidth provided between the media stored on your HDD and the X360key
i.e. USB2.0 on a good day hits ~30MB/s but I have no doubt that the DVD drive reads much fast than that.
unless the x360 key has a flash buffer onboard to load the image onto
I guess you can install the game to HDD
what does every one else think?
The 12X drive is only 17MB/s. Old drives and dirty discs are probably slower than that so M$ can't just ban for slow read.
This post has been edited by Evi1d33d: Apr 26 2011, 03:58 AM
Post by: keine on April 25, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
QUOTE(blastagator @ Apr 25 2011, 11:19 PM)
Holy mother of god!
I feel sick.....
WODE for Xbox360!
SLIM? Has the world gone mad? OMFG.
Post by: Jurai on April 25, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Milker @ Apr 26 2011, 03:21 AM)
Interesting...
Assuming it still needs the drive key or is that irrelevant?
What about Probe/MRA drives?
it sounds like it connects as a passthrough between the 360 and the original disc drive, so I'm guessing it is either hijacking the key over the SATA communication or just letting the drive perform the keycheck itself and hijacking other data read requests
Post by: Setesh on April 25, 2011, 09:13:00 PM
If the device works are stated, i might be swayed to pick up a slim just to mess about on live again with some friends, but i doubt its going to last long, either through the company going down and not supporting it, or ms just able to block it permanantly
Post by: blastagator on April 25, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 25 2011, 09:58 PM)
it can emulate an older drive,but as long as it doesn't change the osig in the console's nand,the 360 will try to flash it.
also,samsung drives do get flashed by the new beta dash.im not sure about hitachi's.
Yes, but if it is programmed to cover that, it could just reply with the "success" commands that the actual drive would send. IF they didn't want to program that, could just plug the old drive back in, let it flash, then plug the emulator back in. Although, the description implied you could insert the device between the mobo and the drive, so there would likely be a bypass switch of some sort to use the stock drive.
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 25, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Jurai @ Apr 26 2011, 04:11 AM)
it sounds like it connects as a passthrough between the 360 and the original disc drive, so I'm guessing it is either hijacking the key over the SATA communication or just letting the drive perform the keycheck itself and hijacking other data read requests
You probably have to dump the key first since the traffic is encrypted with the same key.
Post by: [Prophet] on April 25, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 26 2011, 05:47 AM)
You probably have to dump the key first since the traffic is encrypted with the same key.
Or just pass through that data. It's an intermediary device, the checks are more than likely done on the dvd drive and the device sends it back to the xbox sata port. There may not even be a need to decrypt the data. In saying that there are probably a whole lot of different ways this device could operate so it may be a pointless exercise speculating on how it may operate at this point.
What I'm interested to know is whether it can only read isos or an entire folder structure like a jtag 360, it'd would be awesome if it can do both and can emulate the security checks on the fly for games that aren't stored as an iso.
It also looks a bit optimistic having a wifi dongle to play games via smb or nfs, I'm not sure the throughput would be reliable enough to play a game seamlessly.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on April 25, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: ddxcb on April 25, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
QUOTE
' date='Apr 25 2011, 08:59 PM' post='4795046']
Or just pass through that data. It's an intermediary device, the checks are more than likely done on the dvd drive and the device sends it back to the xbox sata port. There may not even be a need to decrypt the data. In saying that there are probably a whole lot of different ways this device could operate so it may be a pointless exercise speculating on how it may operate at this point.
What I'm interested to know is whether it can only read isos or an entire folder structure like a jtag 360, it'd would be awesome if it can do both and can emulate the security checks on the fly for games that aren't stored as an iso.
It also looks a bit optimistic having a wifi dongle to play games via smb or nfs, I'm not sure the throughput would be reliable enough to play a game seamlessly.
Or just pass through that data. It's an intermediary device, the checks are more than likely done on the dvd drive and the device sends it back to the xbox sata port. There may not even be a need to decrypt the data. In saying that there are probably a whole lot of different ways this device could operate so it may be a pointless exercise speculating on how it may operate at this point.
What I'm interested to know is whether it can only read isos or an entire folder structure like a jtag 360, it'd would be awesome if it can do both and can emulate the security checks on the fly for games that aren't stored as an iso.
It also looks a bit optimistic having a wifi dongle to play games via smb or nfs, I'm not sure the throughput would be reliable enough to play a game seamlessly.
that is too confusing?
dvd encrypts the data threw DVD KEY ----> using same key xbox decrypts it with the SAME KEY on KV.bin
if one value on key wrong, decryption is invalid and xbox wont read the data properly.
the key is never sent threw the SATA cable EVER.
This post has been edited by ddxcb: Apr 26 2011, 05:34 AM
Post by: heartshacker on April 25, 2011, 10:51:00 PM
Hope to see this working soon...........
Post by: [Prophet] on April 25, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(ddxcb @ Apr 26 2011, 06:33 AM)
that is too confusing?
dvd encrypts the data threw DVD KEY ----> using same key xbox decrypts it with the SAME KEY on KV.bin
if one value on key wrong, decryption is invalid and xbox wont read the data properly.
the key is never sent threw the SATA cable EVER.
Where did I mention the key being sent to the xbox? Device rips disc with encrypted payload, sends it to xbox. No need for any keys for the device. As I said, it's pointless to speculate how it's done, there are plenty of ways it can be implemented.
Encryption is only important if you have any need to understand what the data is... If you're just an intermediary device all you need to do is send through the encrypted data unless you have a need to process it. Nowhere on the site does it even mention whether you can use existing rips of disc's, or you need to do your whole collection with the device. The device is simply a mountpoint switch, it doesn't really need to know any of the information its sending if it gets the other components of communication correct.
Post by: BigSteel on April 25, 2011, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: joliverio on April 25, 2011, 11:38:00 PM
However I am sure M$ can patch the dash and block it, sooner or later. And the cat and mouse battle starts over and over again with both sides launching new patches... For sure
Post by: joliverio on April 25, 2011, 11:38:00 PM
However I am sure M$ can patch the dash and block it, sooner or later. And the cat and mouse battle starts over and over again with both sides launching new patches... For sure
Post by: prototype009 on April 25, 2011, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on April 25, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Th3_Burn3r on April 26, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: cyku77 on April 26, 2011, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: danthaman673 on April 26, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Apr 26 2011, 08:19 AM)
Seems like it would be something easy for MS to patch though.
Perhaps, but they can just make a FW update for the EMU every time they do (far more flexible than an MTK flash chip :-)
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 26 2011, 08:26 AM)
no chance for homebrew.
also
so how many really?
and since the beta 2.0.13141 dash can flash the dvd drives,i think this device can be easily made useless with a dashboard update.
i think it will only be succesful if it has a low price point,and if xgd3 games are impossible to burn to a regular dvd+r dl.otherwise drive flashing is still a better option (of course,nothing beats jtag's).
Not untill another game-save back door comes-out...
The main reason we hadn't started-in on this, is that now that this is out: we'll almost certainly see a new console (Xbox 4?) soon. Whatever M$ do now, they won't be able to stop this device easily. I also predict someone with the knowlege, will release a PC version of this for all (and/or an adapter for PC that makes it easier to run an Xbox Game Jukebox in windows) The weakness in this blackbox solution is how it changes/selects games
Brgds/Dan
Post by: SeaQuake on April 26, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
QUOTE(heartshacker @ Apr 25 2011, 08:51 PM)
I have a DVD less xbox360. It boots perfectly. I burned the DVD PCB board while trying to retrieve the key. Now I can play games on that.
No, I think that you still need to know your dvd key. I did manage to get the key out of a burned dvd board.
This post has been edited by SeaQuake: Apr 26 2011, 07:52 AM
Post by: ddxcb on April 26, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE
' date='Apr 25 2011, 10:09 PM' post='4795054']
Where did I mention the key being sent to the xbox? Device rips disc with encrypted payload, sends it to xbox. No need for any keys for the device. As I said, it's pointless to speculate how it's done, there are plenty of ways it can be implemented.
Encryption is only important if you have any need to understand what the data is... If you're just an intermediary device all you need to do is send through the encrypted data unless you have a need to process it. Nowhere on the site does it even mention whether you can use existing rips of disc's, or you need to do your whole collection with the device. The device is simply a mountpoint switch, it doesn't really need to know any of the information its sending if it gets the other components of communication correct.
Where did I mention the key being sent to the xbox? Device rips disc with encrypted payload, sends it to xbox. No need for any keys for the device. As I said, it's pointless to speculate how it's done, there are plenty of ways it can be implemented.
Encryption is only important if you have any need to understand what the data is... If you're just an intermediary device all you need to do is send through the encrypted data unless you have a need to process it. Nowhere on the site does it even mention whether you can use existing rips of disc's, or you need to do your whole collection with the device. The device is simply a mountpoint switch, it doesn't really need to know any of the information its sending if it gets the other components of communication correct.
Ever herd of RC4. The Key is still needed to Decrypt the data and Encrypt it.
Post by: SpikeMage on April 26, 2011, 02:32:00 AM
Dumping my entire library (easily 200+) onto 1 HD is extremely appealing. I've already got my set top homebrew on my PS3 so I could give a fuck about that...not having to change discs however, sign me up
Post by: pinkerton on April 26, 2011, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: Hexx on April 26, 2011, 03:21:00 AM
I can't wait to see where this leads to.
Post by: lang on April 26, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Apr 26 2011, 10:12 AM) 
MS will probably ditch the ability to copy DVD data to HDD because of this, they tried that before dont forget.
The device emulates DVDrom.
Learn to read before pumping out $%&*
Like a customfw acts like its a realfw.
Post by: terrypku on April 26, 2011, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: -Gadget- on April 26, 2011, 04:07:00 AM
QUOTE(CelerionQ @ Apr 26 2011, 01:39 AM)
Because too many people believe that this does make jtags and drive flashes obsolete I tried to make a comparison between the x360key, ixtreme lt+ and jtag hack:
http://bit.ly/hpBKrj (Link to Google Docs PDF)
very Nice comparison Chart
always makes thing appear much clearer when set out like that
Two things i see that need adjusting thou,
- Game modding, can be done via just drive flash on some games (like COD:WAW) etc
- and the dash version you stat on the xbox slim support,
is 2.0.8495, were im pretty sure its suppose to be 2.0.7371
Also another point which could be stated of which the jtag rules supreme
is the fact you do all the game select on the 360 itself, but of course drive flash you need to swop the disc, and the new key, you would i presume select the game on the actualy device (not on the TV/360)
Post by: ddsdavey on April 26, 2011, 04:19:00 AM
Theres no way they made a "gadget" to do this,there has to be a hole driving it????
Post by: deilzfcjk on April 26, 2011, 04:52:00 AM
edit: nvm i just read the whole article. It sits between the sata bus and the mother board.
Post by: jm206 on April 26, 2011, 04:54:00 AM
QUOTE(reidy- @ Apr 26 2011, 02:44 AM)
Only concern I have is the bandwidth provided between the media stored on your HDD and the X360key
i.e. USB2.0 on a good day hits ~30MB/s but I have no doubt that the DVD drive reads much fast than that.
unless the x360 key has a flash buffer onboard to load the image onto
I guess you can install the game to HDD
what does every one else think?
Most HDDs are going to be limited by USB2.0 since it caps at 60MBps.
The DVD drive's load speeds are at a pathetic 16MBps. Though there's a good chance the X360key might limit the read speed so as not to set off any flags. I'm sure MS would be raising some eyebrows if a ton of 360s suddenly started loading games faster than physically possible from a normal DVD drive.
Optionally, they could allow the speed limiter to be removed for people on offline/banned consoles.
Post by: majinsoftware on April 26, 2011, 05:24:00 AM
Post by: Mr.Gamer on April 26, 2011, 06:08:00 AM
Post by: BoNg420 on April 26, 2011, 06:27:00 AM
QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Apr 26 2011, 06:52 AM)
they still havent said whether the case has to be opened or not. I would like some instructions. Please. I would assume the 'black box' has a sata connector. Regardless of whther you are actually loading games from the ODD or not, there still has to be some sort of signal? Right? even if it's a dummy signal. So, you would have to connect something to the sata port or where the ODD usually connects to. but a proxy via the x360key module? This is intriguing. I wonder how much it will be.
edit: nvm i just read the whole article. It sits between the sata bus and the mother board.
Yes you have to open the case, you got to connect to the SATA port the DVD drive connects to.
Post by: drunken_marlboroman on April 26, 2011, 06:30:00 AM
Post by: CelerionQ on April 26, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
QUOTE(-Gadget- @ Apr 26 2011, 12:07 PM)
very Nice comparison Chart
always makes thing appear much clearer when set out like that
Two things i see that need adjusting thou,
- Game modding, can be done via just drive flash on some games (like COD:WAW) etc
- and the dash version you stat on the xbox slim support,
is 2.0.8495, were im pretty sure its suppose to be 2.0.7371
Also another point which could be stated of which the jtag rules supreme
is the fact you do all the game select on the 360 itself, but of course drive flash you need to swop the disc, and the new key, you would i presume select the game on the actualy device (not on the TV/360)
Thanks very much for the input I fixed the first two points (the second point wasn't actually wrong, i stated pre-8495. But i made it clearer by writing 7371 and earlier). I will also try to point out the disk swapping in the evening. (Have some work to do in the meantime..
)
Post by: tech3475 on April 26, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
It would be great if they also add the ability to rip games easily without dissembling the console.
That said, price is of concern to me, if its too expensive I'll just stick to cheap discs.
Post by: Knasen on April 26, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
Post by: Grumbledock on April 26, 2011, 07:10:00 AM
Well, it surely will be interesting to keep an eye on this little baby, especially if MS is soon to release the xbox 1080 and ditch the 360 (hence no more firmware updates) ^^
Post by: reidy- on April 26, 2011, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE(jm206 @ Apr 26 2011, 11:54 AM)
Most HDDs are going to be limited by USB2.0 since it caps at 60MBps.
The DVD drive's load speeds are at a pathetic 16MBps. Though there's a good chance the X360key might limit the read speed so as not to set off any flags. I'm sure MS would be raising some eyebrows if a ton of 360s suddenly started loading games faster than physically possible from a normal DVD drive.
Optionally, they could allow the speed limiter to be removed for people on offline/banned consoles.
lol 60MB/s, not a chance. Try it out if you dont believe me a large single file will go through at 28+/- 5 MB/s small files will crawl ~<15MB/s
but fair enough on the DVD data transfer, I'm amazed its that low
Post by: Toofan on April 26, 2011, 07:55:00 AM
If that is the case they can sell it for 200+ and Ill still buy it
Post by: OzModChips on April 26, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
In regards to the transfer speed, in its proto stage without any optimisation it boots games faster than DISC and FMV is flawless.
That info is directly from the team.
The product has a lot more to offer (with planned update) then what is listed.
Its a little linux box attached to your drive, so updating it is very easy.
Post by: sdboltdude on April 26, 2011, 08:43:00 AM
GREAT NEWS CANT WAITE TO SEE MORE.......
DING DING ROUND 1.
Post by: zucarin on April 26, 2011, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(krizalid @ Apr 25 2011, 04:44 PM)
Wow, can't believe that when I read this "vision" of the device a little over a year ago, and today, here it is!!! amazing!!
Now that's something really cool, except for no homebrew, since it's only meant to pirate games
awww... you must admit that backups =/= piracy.
Post by: Perkele on April 26, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
If I get this, it'll be after the new dashboard update.
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(beasty54 @ Apr 25 2011, 07:24 PM)
Apparently the X360Key is made by these guys if anyones interested.
http://www.wodejukebox.com/
Its a prototype
I have the WODE. I bought it for my wife's Wii and it works excellent. So if the x360key is from them then I'd be more than willing to bet it's legit.
Post by: OzModChips on April 26, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Drivekey
Wiikey 1, 2 and fusion
ps3key
x306key are
all the same team
wode juke box is a different team.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on April 26, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: Tarantel on April 26, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE(sektor1062 @ Apr 25 2011, 11:32 PM)
This is great. Except for how the obviously inevitable shutdown of this company and their shipments will cause the company to stop updating the software for new disc protections rendering the expensive device useless.
But still exciting.
The team makes since 7 years modchips. Most famouse are drivekey, wiikey 1 and 2 and wiikey Fusion.
All of them are updated if a backup gets blocked, longest time I waited was 3 Weeks for an patch for New Super Mario Brothers.
Post by: luceri on April 26, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
Of course, no LIVE = this device is great. But in that situation, I'm not sure how many people would care -- JTAG's are inherently better.
So... any news on how this will handle LIVE if at all? Maybe it will just mount .iso images?
Post by: Perkele on April 26, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 03:39 PM)
Guys
Drivekey
Wiikey 1, 2 and fusion
ps3key
x306key are
all the same team
wode juke box is a different team.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I already saw that all 4 of the key products are hosted on the same Australian server. Also d2pro and d2lite are on that same IP.
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 10:39 AM)
Guys
Drivekey
Wiikey 1, 2 and fusion
ps3key
x306key are
all the same team
wode juke box is a different team.
Thanks for the info.
Post by: Evi1d33d on April 26, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE
' date='Apr 26 2011, 06:09 AM' post='4795054']
Where did I mention the key being sent to the xbox? Device rips disc with encrypted payload, sends it to xbox. No need for any keys for the device. As I said, it's pointless to speculate how it's done, there are plenty of ways it can be implemented.
Encryption is only important if you have any need to understand what the data is... If you're just an intermediary device all you need to do is send through the encrypted data unless you have a need to process it. Nowhere on the site does it even mention whether you can use existing rips of disc's, or you need to do your whole collection with the device. The device is simply a mountpoint switch, it doesn't really need to know any of the information its sending if it gets the other components of communication correct.
Where did I mention the key being sent to the xbox? Device rips disc with encrypted payload, sends it to xbox. No need for any keys for the device. As I said, it's pointless to speculate how it's done, there are plenty of ways it can be implemented.
Encryption is only important if you have any need to understand what the data is... If you're just an intermediary device all you need to do is send through the encrypted data unless you have a need to process it. Nowhere on the site does it even mention whether you can use existing rips of disc's, or you need to do your whole collection with the device. The device is simply a mountpoint switch, it doesn't really need to know any of the information its sending if it gets the other components of communication correct.
If you look at this video you'll see: Xbox 360->Dev Unit->USB Hub->USB Drive and Laptop. No DVD drive in sight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_0B5TObx0
Post by: alvisar on April 26, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 04:39 PM)
Guys
Drivekey
Wiikey 1, 2 and fusion
ps3key
x306key are
all the same team
wode juke box is a different team.
x360key.com registered on Jan 28 2011. Looks like the other key websites are registered through the same private registrar. All the website "key" website also seem to have the same template/theme look, including x360key.com.
Just an observation.
Post by: feidhlim1986 on April 26, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Off Topic:
Why do people use WODE for Wii? When you can do the same for free via backup loaders and any USB drive?
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 26 2011, 11:19 AM)
If you look at this video you'll see: Xbox 360->Dev Unit->USB Hub->USB Drive and Laptop. No DVD drive in sight.
Maybe they copied the key from the drive for the purpose of the dev kit. The retail version needing no drive seems a bit far reached. Especially with dash updates looking for the drive.
Post by: OzModChips on April 26, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(luceri @ Apr 26 2011, 04:56 PM)
Maybe it will just mount .iso images?
No solid info on live yet. I thought by now that everyone has 1 consoles, 1 offline and 1 online? Online not modding? hehe.
Here is a clip of how the WODE works, the x360key will probably work in the same way.
http://www.youtube.c...2Pv0zs#t=06m59s
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(feidhlim1986 @ Apr 26 2011, 11:39 AM)
I have 2TB HDD ready and waiting
Off Topic:
Why do people use WODE for Wii? When you can do the same for free via backup loaders and any USB drive?
As a WODE owner, I'll chime in.
It was for the shear simplicity. My wife uses the Wii, and rarely at that. So I don't stay up to speed on all the latest Wii news like I do with the other consoles. I don't want to sit around every couple of months spending time researching the latest patches, hacks, methods, or what not.
If I need an update for the Wii/WODE, I just go to the site, download the update, and flash the WODE.
For me it was money well spent.
Post by: OzModChips on April 26, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(feidhlim1986 @ Apr 26 2011, 05:39 PM)
Off Topic:
Why do people use WODE for Wii? When you can do the same for free via backup loaders and any USB drive?
Nintendo are fairly lazy with updates, so they kind of made it easy with softmods. But when there are updatesits a pain in the ass for softmodders...
WODE users just update
Also GameCube support
Wifi loading...
NTFS support, Multiple HDDs...
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on April 26, 2011, 10:55:00 AM
By the looks of the prototype in the vid it looks like the xbox is set to auto-launch games so if it isnt then surely youd get the normal options of installing to the HDD and the 360key would stream the data anyway?
I set my mate up with a WODE and its nothing but perfect so if its anywhere near that standard it should be a great product.
With regards to the protection lark, if it does go as far as perfectly (I use that loosely) emulating the drive then really all the usually safeguards we use to take a flashed box online should stand.
With it being easily updateable, as the WODE was, then say if a new challenge table arrives then it should just be a matter of them packaging it up, us downloading it, stick it on a SD card and updating the 360key.
I know theres a hell of a lot more to it technically which I wont even pretend to try to understand but all in all I think we are on to good thing especially where Ive read that some think MS have thrown everything theyve got into these new protections and updates.
Anyway, will be following the progress and hopefully be able to get my hands on a couple when its finally released, either way itll be great for those of us who dont have the means of flashing their drives or only use offlines.
Be interesting to hear c4 and cos views on it.
Post by: xboxmods2977 on April 26, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Apr 26 2011, 12:49 AM)
Seems like it would be something easy for MS to patch though.
My thoughts exactly when I saw this yesterday.
Post by: freeload on April 26, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 08:58 AM)
Hey Guys,
In regards to the transfer speed, in its proto stage without any optimisation it boots games faster than DISC and FMV is flawless.
That info is directly from the team.
The product has a lot more to offer (with planned update) then what is listed.
Its a little linux box attached to your drive, so updating it is very easy.
Yeah, I remember your updates from teh team when PSJB came out.
You were making posts the second any new info got leaked like you got it right from teh team.
Plus, the million pre-orders you took for it, then cancelled, and then gave everyone a hard time getting a full refund.
You got fined, and irresponsibly tried passing it off on your loyal customers who pre-ordered from you.
NICE!
All you care about is $ like M$.
Gimme a break with your exclusive info.
Hopefully, we will soon hear something new that isn't fabricated by someone who's only concern is raking in the $, and making pre-orders.
Post by: OzModChips on April 26, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
QUOTE(freeload @ Apr 26 2011, 06:12 PM)
Yeah, I remember your updates from teh team when PSJB came out.
hello hater
QUOTE(freeload @ Apr 26 2011, 06:12 PM)
You were making posts the second any new info got leaked like you got it right from teh team.
Well we where talking to them, and reporting news
QUOTE(freeload @ Apr 26 2011, 06:12 PM)
Plus, the million pre-orders you took for it, then cancelled, and then gave everyone a hard time getting a full refund.
No hard time, everyone was refunded within 2~3 weeks.
QUOTE(freeload @ Apr 26 2011, 06:12 PM)
You got fined, and irresponsibly tried passing it off on your loyal customers who pre-ordered from you.
NICE!
We went to court with Sony without finacial support from anyone but ourselves, so I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
QUOTE(freeload @ Apr 26 2011, 06:12 PM)
Gimme a break with your exclusive info.
Hopefully, we will soon hear something new that isn't fabricated by someone who's only concern is raking in the $, and making pre-orders.
Its a commercial product....who do you expect to hear news from?
Here is your 'fabricated' info
http://i.imgur.com/sSaq0.png
I can't believe I'm feeding the trolls...whats wrong with me
Post by: troyBORG on April 26, 2011, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: CelerionQ on April 26, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 07:22 PM)
Here is your 'fabricated' info
http://i.imgur.com/sSaq0.png
I can't believe I'm feeding the trolls...whats wrong with me
The proof would be more convincing without the black baars
Well sometimes trolls need feeding.. We don't want them starving, do we?
Post by: thecrunked on April 26, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(troyBORG @ Apr 26 2011, 06:35 PM)
I think it would be cool if they added more then just USB support. Image having a SSD to load from.
i think an ssd wouldn't really help you out for speed.
this thing can only go as fast as usb 2.0, i don't know how the speed is vs ssd vs hdd, but i would guess usb 2.0 is not faster than a traditional hdd.
if i am right, then ssd would be a total waste of money for this setup.
also if you want it to be stealthed, it would probably have to load at the same speed as a dvd-r which is 16mbs i believe vs usb 2.0 of 60mbs, so again, ssd would be a waste of money.
Post by: jm206 on April 26, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(reidy- @ Apr 26 2011, 02:23 PM)
lol 60MB/s, not a chance. Try it out if you dont believe me a large single file will go through at 28+/- 5 MB/s small files will crawl ~<15MB/s
but fair enough on the DVD data transfer, I'm amazed its that low
Because obviously, USB is an exclusive technology of 2.5" HDDs right?
QUOTE(thecrunked @ Apr 26 2011, 07:14 PM)
i think an ssd wouldn't really help you out for speed.
this thing can only go as fast as usb 2.0, i don't know how the speed is vs ssd vs hdd, but i would guess usb 2.0 is not faster than a traditional hdd.
if i am right, then ssd would be a total waste of money for this setup.
also if you want it to be stealthed, it would probably have to load at the same speed as a dvd-r which is 16mbs i believe vs usb 2.0 of 60mbs, so again, ssd would be a waste of money.
Did you even read the sentence you quoted? If they "added more than just USB support" the only other thing that could be is SATA. An SSD could easily take advantage of a SATA connection, but the creators likely chose USB for ease of use. Certainly would've been nice to have the option to connect via eSATA/SATA, but whatever, load speeds this generation aren't anywhere near PS1 load times so it's not really a big deal. And if you're going to play on Live you'll still have to wait for everyone else to load anyway.
Post by: Tarantel on April 26, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE(feidhlim1986 @ Apr 26 2011, 05:39 PM)
I have 2TB HDD ready and waiting
Off Topic:
Why do people use WODE for Wii? When you can do the same for free via backup loaders and any USB drive?
are u kidding?
How many softmod users got bricked or need to install million of different cios or isos for playing games?
almost every second game needs a differnet loader etc.
with wode u can just make plug and play for HDD and DVD
Post by: Zetum on April 26, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
i want one so bad
Post by: ruciz on April 26, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
Due to the recent infos about new disc layout, drive reflashing, and AP2.5 implementation - this is welcome news. The ability to basically 'keyroll' with MS firmwares and disc infos is not a good thing, and AP2.5 has serious unleashed potential. Yet MS hasn't moved forward with it. I have a feeling though this won't properly emulate everything - or we will need a working drive with original disc inserted for best compatibility, and that wifi dongle thats likely another $30 to keep its annoyance factor down. This is if MS don't shut it down within a month of release.
the key uses a USB2 interface, not USB3 interface, and its connecting to a SATA2 port on the mainboard, not SATA3, so there is your bottleneck. A HDD with a low seek time is more valuable than a high transfer rate. I don't believe you will notice that much performance difference tho in comparison to the cost. a cheapie basic WD blue would likely be more than enough.
Hopefully with this we can use it to modify disc images (for homebrew loading) and/or find overflows that will result in us being able to use freeboot on ALL xbox 360 units and enjoy the benefit of full homebrew without this dongle adapter mess.
Post by: boflc on April 26, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(ruciz @ Apr 26 2011, 02:28 PM)
.. good stuff..
QUOTE
Hopefully with this we can use it to modify disc images (for homebrew loading) and/or find overflows that will result in us being able to use freeboot on ALL xbox 360 units and enjoy the benefit of full homebrew without this dongle adapter mess.
no. signed code.
Post by: skyliner99 on April 26, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: mycelo on April 26, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
1) I hope Jungle-something and C4eva aren't related to this project at all. That stupid monopoly has been feeding their arrogant ego for too long to my tastes.
2) It is no coincidence that this was announced almost simultaneously with XGD3 and drive-flashing dashboard updates.
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(mycelo @ Apr 26 2011, 03:06 PM)
That's certainly a long-needed good news.
1) I hope Jungle-something and C4eva aren't related to this project at all. That stupid monopoly has been feeding their arrogant ego for too long to my tastes.
They offered free info and custom firmware. And that's a "stupid monopoly" in your eyes?
QUOTE
2) It is no coincidence that this was announced almost simultaneously with XGD3 and drive-flashing dashboard updates.
Yes, it is coincidence.
Post by: deilzfcjk on April 26, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Post by: SeaQuake on April 26, 2011, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(OzModChips @ Apr 26 2011, 08:49 AM)
Nintendo are fairly lazy with updates, so they kind of made it easy with softmods. But when there are updatesits a pain in the ass for softmodders...
WODE users just update
Also GameCube support
Wifi loading...
NTFS support, Multiple HDDs...
My wodeless softmodded wii is running NTFS. I'm not discrediting the WODE, just correcting The NTFS statement.
QUOTE(mycelo @ Apr 26 2011, 12:06 PM)
That's certainly a long-needed good news.
1) I hope Jungle-something and C4eva aren't related to this project at all. That stupid monopoly has been feeding their arrogant ego for too long to my tastes.
You can hardly call it a monopoly due to the simple fact that it is free. I fail to see where you can call them arrogant.
Post by: col12 on April 26, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: flash360 on April 26, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
I wouldnt be suprised if this turns out to be the way it actually works 
Post by: warbeast on April 26, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
QUOTE(bill16504 @ Apr 26 2011, 09:14 PM)
They offered free info and custom firmware. And that's a "stupid monopoly" in your eyes?
Yes, it is coincidence.
some people just dont see the big picture! yes the fw and flashing software is free witch lets people say "we are only in it for the fun not to make money"
but wait nobody else has found out how to fully dump new drives so lets link up with x company selling x usb device and say its the best thing since slice bread so we had to use it to dump this slim drive now due to a compatibility issue with ur free hardware because we dont want to support it ur need x device but dont forget fw and tools are free because we dont want to look like me are in it for the cash
and before people flame me i do agree these people should be payed for there hard work i just dont agree with how some people go about it
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on April 26, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
It would obviously be different if there were a dozen different fws out there.
It wouldnt surprise me if the makers of x360key had been in contact with them at some point, its no doubt a complicated piece of programming.
As for the WODE vs Softmod business, it all depends on the person/situation. Personally Id go the softmod route as I like to fiddle and play. Whereas my friend who I set it up for is a single mother. I put the games on the hdd for her when she buys them and taught her 6yr old how to use the WODE.
Different people, different situations.
Again for those who cant or dont know how to, this would be a good solution. Personally Id use it myself for my offline console and one for me dad who always forgets to install to hdd grrr :s bless him
Post by: tandynor on April 26, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
. if this comes out before 0225 firmware im gonna B pissed! I would pay up to 100 bucks for this .
Post by: Exobex on April 26, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: x-square 360 on April 26, 2011, 07:40:00 PM
QUOTE(mycelo @ Apr 26 2011, 04:06 PM)
That's certainly a long-needed good news.
1) I hope Jungle-something and C4eva aren't related to this project at all. That stupid monopoly has been feeding their arrogant ego for too long to my tastes.
2) It is no coincidence that this was announced almost simultaneously with XGD3 and drive-flashing dashboard updates.
Hi
I’ve been a long time lurker on these forums and I finally decided to join this nice community
Ok on topic... I just don't understand people who think like this? Why is it okay for everyone else to make
money for there efforts, but the people who make this all happen c4eva, team jungle etc.. is somehow frowned
upon when they want something in return?
Funny thing is that the people who are making money from the products they sell would have nothing if it weren't for those guys (c4eva, team jungle etc). That's why teamX decided to support them, because if they want to keep being in business they know they need those skilled people. And thanks to them, you/we still get all the firmwares for free. Say what you will about teamX but they're the ones who stepped in when this was almost all over.
And how are they arrogant?.. to me arrogance is when a person thinks everyone else owe's them. How are they that when they supported the firmware scene for years without asking for anything??? Don't forget they are the ones risking it for us! don't believe me check out what's happening on the ps3 scene. Everyone (Reverse engineers, coders, linux people etc) are getting sued and have there lives flipped upside down.
"Well if not them than someone else will make firmwares" thats another one i love "sarcasm". Honestly i believe that if c4eva decided to leave today, the firmware scene would be dead until the end of the xbox 360's life cycle. Don't think for a second that the x360key won't rely on c4eva's firmware.
OKAY sorry for the long post, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, it's only my view on things. To conclude i really hope c4eva & team jungle are involved, even if its not publicly advertised. At least i know it's quality stuff and heck i hope they get a piece of pie too.
Post by: bill16504 on April 26, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
QUOTE(tandynor @ Apr 26 2011, 07:55 PM)
the end of DVD FLASHING LOL! I just got my USBPRO too
. if this comes out before 0225 firmware im gonna B pissed! I would pay up to 100 bucks for this .Naw. It'll be cost prohibitive for many. Not everyone wants to hoard every single game like it's worth it's weight in gold so they'll just stick to disc backups for the few games they need them for.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on April 26, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: metalcoat on April 26, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
QUOTE(iwanttheagrocrag @ Apr 26 2011, 09:43 PM)
If you go full-screen in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_0B5TObx0&feature=channel_video_title it looks like its running Windows XP. LOL
That very well could be, but doesn't mean the device isn't linux, a quick ssh session via putty or what have you
Post by: pezjono1986 on April 26, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
QUOTE(iwanttheagrocrag @ Apr 26 2011, 06:43 PM)
The Laptop IS running XP, it is probably using a console session (like putty) to read from the device.
Post by: xiaNaix on April 26, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: feidhlim1986 on April 26, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Tarantel @ Apr 26 2011, 09:03 PM)
are u kidding?
How many softmod users got bricked or need to install million of different cios or isos for playing games?
almost every second game needs a differnet loader etc.
with wode u can just make plug and play for HDD and DVD
No i'm not kidding...
I have my 1 cios and 1 backup loader that works for every game I've thrown at it, ISO on a HDD/SD Card/USB Stick or a burned Disc. Sure every once in a while a new version of that cios comes out but it's a one button update. My backup loader can update itself. It works with wbfs, fat, ntfs. Has Wifi or USB dumping.
When a new firmware got released for Wii it was just a matter of waiting a day or two and using the safe updater if you wanted to be on the latest firmware.
I was only curious about this wode thing because frankly I had never actually heard of it until I saw it mentioned in this thread.
Post by: monkUsa on April 26, 2011, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE(klbarnes1 @ Apr 25 2011, 11:21 PM)
DUDE can this be used on a regular xbox 360 thats not modded and soon to be xbox live supported.
According to their Website (under the Features section) it clearly states...
No drive flashing or JTAG hack required
Let's just hope that the device is also Xbox Live safe!
Post by: biscoito on April 26, 2011, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: not2able on April 27, 2011, 03:16:00 AM
But I know for sure, that I will not be updating my box because im willing to bet almost guarantee that MS will lock this out with an update.
Really interesting stuff though this...I hope it works...It says works with most games...Which is a little alarming in truth...not all...most...
Post by: Tarantel on April 27, 2011, 03:22:00 AM
QUOTE(feidhlim1986 @ Apr 27 2011, 03:17 AM)
No i'm not kidding...
I have my 1 cios and 1 backup loader that works for every game I've thrown at it, ISO on a HDD/SD Card/USB Stick or a burned Disc. Sure every once in a while a new version of that cios comes out but it's a one button update. My backup loader can update itself. It works with wbfs, fat, ntfs. Has Wifi or USB dumping.
When a new firmware got released for Wii it was just a matter of waiting a day or two and using the safe updater if you wanted to be on the latest firmware.
I was only curious about this wode thing because frankly I had never actually heard of it until I saw it mentioned in this thread.
I never need to think about bricks or cios stuff and I can play as well, Isos or wbfs from HDD, SD and DVD.
I see million of people asking in different forums which cios they need or why this game is not working with this loader..or even why its bricked. nah, 40 Euros are good invested in a modchip like wode.
Post by: DigitalDarkness90 on April 27, 2011, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(luceri @ Apr 26 2011, 04:56 PM)
Of course, no LIVE = this device is great. But in that situation, I'm not sure how many people would care -- JTAG's are inherently better.
On that statement i have to reply with this:
Jtags "may" be a darn site better BUT Its a matter of technical knowledge and money!
I for one don't have the technical knowledge nor the 200 / 300 gbp for a jtaggable console.
If this gadget is cheap enough i WILL be buying it for sure, Its a middle ground for the mere mortal such as me.
Also as it is especially a micro linux box the stuff that can / may be done is pretty cool . . . .
Post by: jaws95678 on April 27, 2011, 08:21:00 AM
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Post by: mycelo on April 27, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(jaws95678 @ Apr 27 2011, 11:21 AM)
<c4eva> x360key:something better will be out around the same time .
.Yeah that's what I was talking about.
Oh well.
Post by: mputten on April 27, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Does anyone knows this for sure?
Post by: dragoscojan on April 27, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(monkUsa @ Apr 27 2011, 08:29 AM)
According to their Website (under the Features section) it clearly states...
No drive flashing or JTAG hack required
Let's just hope that the device is also Xbox Live safe!
no drive flashing,but you still need to have the console's dvd key.so no drive flashing,only a fw dump.
Post by: modslave on April 27, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Apr 27 2011, 06:16 PM)
no drive flashing,but you still need to have the console's dvd key.so no drive flashing,only a fw dump.
Was gonna ask for a source but after a pause I getcha.
Can't imagine what C4E will bring out at the same time as this, by now new firmware doesn't quite match the x360key hype that can only multiply
Post by: boflc on April 27, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: SNAAAKE on April 27, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
great
Post by: boflc on April 27, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Apr 27 2011, 04:02 PM)
so.....jtag for any xbox including slim?? great
i don't quite know if i'm being trolled into responding, but i'm going to respond anyway:
no. this does not enable unsigned code, system patches, etc.
now if you are saying:
assume the device
1) works as advertised
2) is flexible/configurable enough b/c the unit itself should be "open"
then it is certainly feasible that a web-interface that acted a lot like a coverflow could be developed for your handheld or your PC. (x360key provides web service to your home network with a good dhtml/ajax interface served up that a web-aware device [smartphone/tablet/PC] could use).
all that interface's server side would/could do, then, is to send an eject tray command, mount the appropriate image, and close the tray. nothing like a jtag.
Post by: Aldanga on April 27, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Apr 27 2011, 03:02 PM)
so.....jtag for any xbox including slim??
great
great
Please don't spread ridiculous crap like this. The likelihood that another exploit is found is so low that people have already claimed it to be impossible.
Post by: DigitalDarkness90 on April 27, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: bill16504 on April 27, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
QUOTE(DigitalDarkness90 @ Apr 27 2011, 04:41 PM)
Although its French i may pre-Order it as its due for delivery round june time, My birthday!!!
Preorder? Even after C4E said something better than the x360key is on it's way?
Post by: DigitalDarkness90 on April 27, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(bill16504 @ Apr 27 2011, 11:03 PM)
Preorder? Even after C4E said something better than the x360key is on it's way?
Lemme see proof then ill deffo buy the "alternative" BUT My money goes to whom ever provide the most reliable and justifiable price standpoint.
As i said, Let not slate me for wanting to pre-order from x a place i am curious and also fed up with discs lol.
Post by: digipimp75 on April 27, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Apr 27 2011, 05:16 PM)
Please don't spread ridiculous crap like this. The likelihood that another exploit is found is so low that people have already claimed it to be impossible.
Agreed. Even if you're speaking facetiously and not being serious, that could be misconstrued by anxious noobs. Then they'll go around spreading the vile misinformation all over the damn place, buy the device, and be coming back to THIS forum saying "Waaaahh!!! I was told this would make by xbox a jtag!! Waaaaahhh!!! It's not working!! HELP!!!" etc., etc.
Post by: Chob on April 28, 2011, 03:08:00 AM
QUOTE
Available Date: 01-07-2011
X360key
PRE-ORDER - Estimated arriving date 1st of July
X360key
PRE-ORDER - Estimated arriving date 1st of July
Post by: DigitalDarkness90 on April 28, 2011, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(digipimp75 @ Apr 27 2011, 11:56 PM)
Agreed. Even if you're speaking facetiously and not being serious, that could be misconstrued by anxious noobs. Then they'll go around spreading the vile misinformation all over the damn place, buy the device, and be coming back to THIS forum saying "Waaaahh!!! I was told this would make by xbox a jtag!! Waaaaahhh!!! It's not working!! HELP!!!" etc., etc.
I think that the information given is more than enough to realize its NOT able to be a replacement for the tagged,
But as stated in my previous post, Fo those who cant afford or find a tagged box, its a ok substitute on the playing your backed up games from hdd minus the disk, I emailed the team and got the following info:
Dear ******,
X360KEY is coming... ETA end of june...
we can only say this: "XBOX OPTICAL DRIVE EMULATOR aka XODE"
is coming... For now we can not release specific information
or images, which would benefit x360key...
after seeing the features and prices x360key we can say
that:
1- Fortunately x360key follows the "old" approach of Wode...
XODE instead introduces a new way of working really
original... we will surprise you.
2- XODE will work on XBOX SLIM since its launch with a 100%
support of AP25.
3-Half price then a X360KEY in production!!! thanks the new
"original" concept of point 1...
We plan to release a first proof of working at middle/end of
may with a nice video working on a X360 SLIM console... and
a detailed review near the release of X360KEY... Production
will be ready on JULY.
We advise all to wait before place BIG pre-orders from
WIIKEY/X360KEY team, it is wise to don't risk too much...
after not tell us that there were not warned...
PS: we found time also to update WODE platform, finally the
WEB interface is almost ready, we plan to release this
feature next week.
PPSS: official website of XODE is www.xodejukebox.com
soon online...
Stay tuned
WODE TEAM "THE ORIGINAL ONE"
Post by: elsparko on April 28, 2011, 07:02:00 AM
IF this is true, then happy days!!!!
Im still a little skeptical though, seems too good to be true, but it does remind me a lot of when PSJailbreak was announced and kicked off...
Post by: DigitalDarkness90 on April 28, 2011, 07:24:00 AM
QUOTE(elsparko @ Apr 28 2011, 02:02 PM)
how long before a homebrew version hits the scene?
IF this is true, then happy days!!!!
Im still a little skeptical though, seems too good to be true, but it does remind me a lot of when PSJailbreak was announced and kicked off...
Im pretty sure this is as solid as it gets, Weather is xbl safe, and is cost effective ect is unknown yet, I do know however that even c4eva is claiming there is gonna be a better alternative to this, so muct be true aye . . .
Any who here's a link to the official forum / website:
Xode
Post by: col12 on April 28, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Chob @ Apr 28 2011, 10:08 AM)
Listed in Spain: 79.99
thats an ok price 50 of you english pounds i normally pay £20 for LT+
Post by: K3thunder on April 28, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
Post by: SNAAAKE on April 28, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(boflc @ Apr 27 2011, 05:15 PM)
i don't quite know if i'm being trolled into responding,
sorry lol
Post by: tech3475 on April 29, 2011, 04:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Tarantel @ Apr 26 2011, 08:03 PM)
are u kidding?
How many softmod users got bricked or need to install million of different cios or isos for playing games?
almost every second game needs a differnet loader etc.
with wode u can just make plug and play for HDD and DVD
1. If done correctly bricking is unlikely, especially if you block updates and only install IOS when needed (non system menu).
2. I personally just need 1 CIOS and 1 loader for my usb games, although I have another for general purpose.
That said, WODE does have usb GC capabilities which is something softmods lack thanks to MIOS. If it wasn't for my wiikey (I use it for GC games) and the relative high cost of a WODE I would probably have gotten one.
Also, you still need to software for region free 4.2+.
Post by: d33bz on April 30, 2011, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(modrobert @ Apr 30 2011, 10:11 AM)
This is just "troll news" by someone trying to be funny.
The forum thread at wode.org is already deleted, the site http://www.xodejukebox.com doesn't even load.
The forum thread at wode.org is already deleted, the site http://www.xodejukebox.com doesn't even load.
lol
Post by: urbanracer34 on May 01, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Development Update: Maximus 360 Lizard partnership announced!
Posted on May 1st 2011
We are very pleased to announce that x360key has licensed the key extraction technology used in Maximus Lizard. This means that x360key will be able to extract the unique key from all Xbox 360 drives; Samsung, Hitachi, Benq, Liteon, and Slim Liteon - including the latest 0225 model.
Xbox 360 DVD Drive firmware flashing is *NOT* required to use x360key. However, this is a feature that may be added in a future x360key firmware update.
Post by: dannybohy on August 18, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
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Post by: crs on November 04, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(nose88346 @ Nov 4 2011, 08:45 AM)
No more mention of this? They have been shipping them for a month now, surely someone around here has tried it. Please give us a review!
I've got one. For what it is, I love it. And being able to use the 360 with an OFW drive by the push of a button (the eject button actually), is a major plus.
Post by: alukado on November 07, 2011, 03:26:00 AM
Post by: birchi on November 07, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
QUOTE(nose88346 @ Nov 4 2011, 07:45 AM)
No more mention of this? They have been shipping them for a month now, surely someone around here has tried it. Please give us a review!
I received mine last week and so far it's working great. My fat console (LiteOn) was on an old version of iXtreme and was running one of the Kinect beta dashes before I got the xKey. I got one of the new revision xK3ys with flat ribbon cables.
To use xK3y, it is recommended that your ODD is on the latest stock OFW and the xK3y needs a dump of your drive with this firmware on i.e. a FIRMWARE.BIN/dummy.bin with your key in it. Personally, I already had my drive key but didn't want to have to dump the firmware from my drive again so I used the following steps in order to avoid that:
- Download the latest official dash USB update from MS (version 2.0.13604 at time of writing). This of course flashed the drive back to stock OFW but for the xK3y, this is recommended anyway. Download here.
- Extract the DVD drive key from my old CFW. If you don't already have your key, extract using the documented method for your drive.
- Use wxPirs to extract the firmware xex file for my drive. Do this by extracting the USB update zip and then opening su20076000_00000000 in wxPirs. There are 3 different firmware flashing xex files for the different drive models, for mine I needed $flash_oddupd3.xex
- Use XeX Extractor to open $flash_oddupd3.xex and grab the FIRMWARE.BIN file
- Use JungleFlasher to inject your drive key into the OFW extracted in previous step
- Copy this new FIRMWARE.bin onto the MicroSD card supplied with the xK3y
You get 2 ribbon cables with the xK3y, short and long, which gives you the choice of running the cable out the front or the back of your console, I chose to run out the back using the short cable.
xK3y supports up to 2TB NTFS drives and I'm using a 1TB Western Digi portable elements drive. Games need to be placed in a 'games' folder on the root of the drive. Inside the games folder, you should also place the dae.bin file which will be used for AP25 challenges. You can get this file by emailing daelatest [at] gmail [dot] com which will auto-respond with the latest version.
Finally, place the xKey.cfg file on the root of your hard disk with the desired options set (used for setting drive type and whether you want the ISOMENU feature enabled).
When you boot the console, xKey takes around 10-15 seconds to detect the hard disk, it will then see the new .cfg file, apply it and then tell you to reset your console. After a reboot, you're good to go.
The ISOMENU feature is nice. The console will always boot with the virtual DVD drive empty so first, just press A to open it and then A again to close it. This will cause the xKey to mount a virtual Mixed Media Disc. Navigate to the Pictures option on the 360 dash, choose 'Current Disc' and you will get a listing of the games directory on your hard disk. Once you've chosen an ISO, you'll see 'Eject to load' so just return to the dash front screen and hightlight the drive. Hit [X] to eject and within a few seconds, your chosen game will be mounted. Multi-disc games are supported and you can even swap discs mid-game for games that require that (just double-tap the physical Eject button on the console then use the xK3y LCD screen to choose the next disc).
Games are running fine and the only small niggle is games take ~30 minutes to install to the 360 HDD rather than 10-15 I usually get using my original discs. This is nitpicking though, overall it's awesome!