Post by: Ranger72 on August 31, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
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Post by: fahrenheit on August 31, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
If not, I feel much better about my old Jasper...
Post by: postal worker on August 31, 2009, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on August 31, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on August 31, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Sep 1 2009, 01:48 PM) 
I am hoping heat is no longer an issue enough with the new Jasper's that smaller less efficient heat sinks is all the is needed.
Its a no-win situation (other than from a cost cutting perspective).
I've speculated for a while now that the GPU heat pipe has attributed to increased E74. The Falcon models introduced the heatpipe and E74 seemed to become more common than RROD with that revision.
If that theory holds any water, then we will see the earlier Jaspers more afflicted by E74 and the later ones suffering more RROD.
MS must have a massive stockpile of old GPU heatsinks they can use from all the Xenon/Zephyrs refurbs. By the time they deplete them all, they might be onto Valhalla production.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 31, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
thats a problem I noticed with the falcon is that the extra sink caused there to be more weight on one side and caused a rrod some time.
Post by: Ranger72 on September 01, 2009, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 31 2009, 11:06 PM) 
Well if any one has felt the gpu heatsinks temp while gaming you will notice its really cool, so a smaller heatsink would be fine. If anything it will help due to less weight on the corner.
thats a problem I noticed with the falcon is that the extra sink caused there to be more weight on one side and caused a rrod some time.
I agree. There is very little heat produced by these chips. I don't see the lack of the extra GPU heatsink to be a big issue.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on September 01, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: RRODXbox on September 02, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: wOne on September 02, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on September 02, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(wOne @ Sep 2 2009, 05:27 PM)
the heatsinks there are not new! theyve been around for over a year & ive had a couple of elites come to me with rrod problems with them heatsinks
Of course they aren't new, but this configuration is new for Jasper chipset since previous Jaspers had the gpu heatpipe. MS took it out to help get the Elites down to $299, and hopefully because the Jaspers didn't run hot enough to need it. I have two new elites, one with the heatpipe and one without. I'm keeping the one with it to be on the safe side, even if there isn't a big temp difference. Also note that all the ones I've seen have the black Nidec fans in them.
Post by: dsavage on September 02, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
also i'm not sure what you guys mean by the gpu heatsink doesn't get too hot while playing ? lol.
my jasper gpu heatpipe/heatsink gets near scalding hot (bascially same as my old falcon did) after only like 15-20 mins of the 360 being on.
Post by: fahrenheit on September 02, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Sep 2 2009, 02:12 PM)
No way do the gpu heatpipes weigh enogh to do any damage. They are pretty much supported by the copper and the actual mount, and that weight isn't directly on the corner.
The difference in pressures might only be slight and barely measureable, but that doesn't exclude them from impacting the outcome. Lets not forget we are talking about brittle solderballs a little bigger than of a grain of sand that are constantly expanding and contracting. You're underestimating how easy it is to upset them.
Anyone who has fixed errors by replacing the x-clamps with bolts will know how over tightening one corner can result in a different error occuring.
QUOTE(dsavage @ Sep 3 2009, 12:23 PM)
also i'm not sure what you guys mean by the gpu heatsink doesn't get too hot while playing ? lol.
my jasper gpu heatpipe/heatsink gets near scalding hot (bascially same as my old falcon did) after only like 15-20 mins of the 360 being on.
As does mine. I'd be worried if it didn't, cause that would indicate that there is so much thermal goop on the chip that heat transference isn't optimal.
This post has been edited by fahrenheit: Sep 3 2009, 03:22 AM
Post by: wildwild on September 03, 2009, 03:53:00 AM
I suspect that better solder and soldering technique might have played a big part in this
Post by: Ultimatemale420 on September 26, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
We know that AIR is by far the BEST!!!! insulator of HEAT!!.
If you dont belive me, get two thin sheets, lay them on top of each other and sleep, you will be far warmer with the 2 thin sheets then the 1 thick blanket. This is because the 2 thin sheets trap AIR inbetween the 2 thin sheets, hence insulating your body heat keeping you warmer then the 1 thick blanket would.
The prime reason for RROD and the E74 error in my personal opinon is the fact that there is too much trapped air in the console. That is why you need fans to constantly blow air out of electrical products.
The pipes in the jasper trap air also thus overheating the GPU.
I may be wrong id like to see what others have to say in regards to my thoery
Thanx for reading guys. I got the E74 error yesterday
(( (sobs)