Post by: Xbox-Scene on June 16, 2009, 11:04:00 PM
New Jasper Motherboard with 512MB internal MU Posted by XanTium | June 17 01:04 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| Braza posted pictures of a new jasper motherboard with a 4gbit Samsung NAND inside on the XBH forums. This found has been confirmed by some of our forum members as well. This Xbox360 is a Japanese Arcade SKU made on april 9th 2009. The motherboard still seems like a Jasper-model, only real change seems to be the NAND. The extra space is all used to give you a larger internal memory unit. The original Aracde Jasper has a 2gbit NAND and gave users an ~214MBytes of usable internal memory as around 16MB is used by Microsoft for kernel/keyvault/dash etc. So we guess the new one should give you ~496Mbytes of usable internal MU. (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/jasper-int-512-mu/IMG_0877_s400.jpg) (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/jasper-int-512-mu/IMG_0887_s200.jpg) (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/jasper-int-512-mu/IMG_0885_s200.jpg) Picture-Source: Braza at XBH forums More Pictures: here |
Post by: Paperstack.1 on June 16, 2009, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Fantasy Star on June 17, 2009, 01:28:00 AM
Post by: bullswar on June 17, 2009, 01:50:00 AM
Im expecting with the release of 3D Stereoscopy game support ... Xbox 360 will support 3D movies as well so consumers can enjoy both content together.
And cuz of this it will require bit more space.
This post has been edited by bullswar: Jun 17 2009, 08:56 AM
Post by: g8crapachino on June 17, 2009, 01:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Fantasy Star @ Jun 17 2009, 07:28 AM) 
My skepticism radar is going off. Why move from 256 to 512? There has to be some reason.
There's no point being skeptical, the pictures are right there in front of you. With more and larger download content being available why should anyone complain about having more memory?
Post by: braza on June 17, 2009, 02:04:00 AM
my photos ! 
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on June 17, 2009, 03:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Fantasy Star @ Jun 17 2009, 08:28 AM)
My skepticism radar is going off. Why move from 256 to 512? There has to be some reason.
maybe because there is no longer any cost benefit between adding 256mb or 512mb of flash memory.
QUOTE(braza @ Jun 17 2009, 09:04 AM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) my photos ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
good work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Jun 17 2009, 10:19 AM
Post by: irnchriz on June 17, 2009, 03:26:00 AM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on June 17, 2009, 04:26:00 AM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Jun 17 2009, 10:26 AM)
Why stop at 512mb, stick an 8GB or even 16GB flash in there for all that actually costs. Would get them some nice PR.
that's a good idea.
that would actually stop the Arcade from being the gimped version - & *might* shut up some of the PS3 fanboys.
Post by: Kijoki on June 17, 2009, 04:55:00 AM
QUOTE(irnchriz @ Jun 17 2009, 10:26 AM)
Why stop at 512mb, stick an 8GB or even 16GB flash in there for all that actually costs. Would get them some nice PR.
And bleed to death the Premium and Elite packages?? It would kill revenue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: irnchriz on June 17, 2009, 06:40:00 AM
And bleed to death the Premium and Elite packages?? It would kill revenue
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Not really, upgrade the HDD's in the Premium to 120 and Elite to 250 or 320.
This way they can state now that even with the arcade bundle you can download a full 360 game from the NXE.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on June 17, 2009, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: sdboltdude on June 17, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
elite just took a dump (dang falcon hana chip.)so got the jasper arcade i think i can deal w/ 2gig mu instead of m$ console death by heat stoke....
Post by: quarius on June 17, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on June 17, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: jdsony on June 17, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on June 17, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(jdsony @ Jun 17 2009, 05:42 PM)
You have to remember how tight margins are and how high little costs add up when you are manufacturing millions of these things. What if the cost to Microsoft was $3 for 8GB of flash memory? That's a huge chunk of change when you add it up. I just wish they made a console that was guaranteed to be fixed of the RROD.
if it costs $3 for 8GB of memory, then just increase the RRP of the SKU by $5 - that would cover the extra cost of additional storage capacity.
everyone wins.
Post by: rodd83 on June 17, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
In Europe this new jasper comes in the 915 LOT number , manufacter date 8 april /2009, and it does not comes with any games (no sega tennis, no arcade games)
How can we find this jasper 512MB in the US ?
This post has been edited by rodd83: Jun 17 2009, 06:55 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on June 17, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(rodd83 @ Jun 17 2009, 06:51 PM)
In Europe this new jasper comes in the 915 LOT number , manufacter date 8 april /2009, and it does not comes with any games (no sega tennis, no arcade games)
Thanks for the info - it will come in handy if i need a new 360 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Someone has added lot 915 to the database: http://www.360drives.com/list
Purchased from GAME - MMR Date: 5th April 09
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Jun 17 2009, 07:19 PM
Post by: tbb033 on June 17, 2009, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Jun 17 2009, 12:17 PM)
if it costs $3 for 8GB of memory, then just increase the RRP of the SKU by $5 - that would cover the extra cost of additional storage capacity.
everyone wins.
You're ignoring the fact that there's a huge psychological difference to many consumers in buying a product that costs $204 vs a product that costs $199. It's not "under $200" anymore, even if it's only $5 more than it used to be.
Post by: rscarrab on June 17, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
I presume the NXE won't load from the HDD or 256/512mb USB on the new Jaspers but instead come pre-loaded on the larger internal MU.
Could this fix the terrible dashboard lag that so many people, including myself, get?
I've owned 5 360's for obvious reasons. None of them displayed amazing results when accessing the HDD like for saving games. Quite slow if you ask me.
I rarely use my dashboard in-game as it hangs for about 30-45 seconds. Compared even to a 54,00rpm bog standard laptop HDD it seems strange. That's what leads me to believe that the NXE's lag issue's could be due to not being on the internal MU like the original dash back in 2005 was.
I know im reaching a bit there but MS did announce performance updates at E3. I hope that they don't overlook the laggy navigation and just add more features, then tout the new 512mb internal MU jasper running the NXE flawlessly to boost future console sales.
I could very well be wrong as im clearly just speculating but I for one will be interested to see how well the NXE performs on the new jasper because of this.
Post by: rodd83 on June 17, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
Jasper 512MB comes from 24 April 2009 (manufacter date) in the US... maybe later some of you could see if this is truth in some shop
This post has been edited by rodd83: Jun 17 2009, 10:48 PM
Post by: newf on June 17, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Question is, what DVD-ROM is in it?
And I noticed today that walmart in Canada has the arcade for 149.99 this weekend. Perhaps to move old stock?
This post has been edited by newf: Jun 18 2009, 12:37 AM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on June 17, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(newf @ Jun 18 2009, 12:36 AM)
Question is, what DVD-ROM is in it?
Lite-on
All new XBOX 360's ship with the Philips/Lite-on drive.
use this website to help locate a new Jasper: Xbox 360 Drives Database
Post by: jimjom on June 17, 2009, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: brandogg on June 17, 2009, 08:19:00 PM
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/995/995914p1.html
Post by: vb_encryption_vb on June 17, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
Post by: rickai on June 17, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: Murc on June 17, 2009, 11:43:00 PM
anyways...the box said 256mb...I was expecting to find a memory card...there was none though, and the consoles internal memory was 323mb's...?
leaving me to assume its a 512mb...with the dashboard and other 360 things taking up 189mb's of space.
Post by: ukred11 on June 18, 2009, 01:08:00 AM
Post by: rscarrab on June 18, 2009, 06:58:00 AM
Does it come pre-loaded with NXE?
Post by: Meethatguy on June 18, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(rscarrab @ Jun 18 2009, 08:58 AM)
@Murc
Does it come pre-loaded with NXE?
The problem is you dont understand how the dash works.
The NXE is the main thing in this flash memory, next would be the keys and kernel commands etc...
Any 360 manufactured after november of 2008 will have the NXE preloaded on it, Considering the Efuses needed to be blown, why would they instal old kernel/dash on a newly manufatured board.
So yes, for a common sense question, It comes preloaded with the dash that MS forced down everyones throats.
EDIT-- also you asking about the lag.... That has nothing to do with the size of the SPACE memory as it does the RAM memory. Just like your harddrive has nothing to do with how fast your PC can load apps.
This post has been edited by Meethatguy: Jun 18 2009, 04:12 PM
Post by: rodd83 on June 18, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: Murc on June 18, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(rscarrab @ Jun 18 2009, 07:58 AM)
@Murc
Does it come pre-loaded with NXE?
Yes.
Post by: AllSewnUp on June 18, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: futch1nc on June 18, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Meethatguy @ Jun 18 2009, 11:11 AM)
Any 360 manufactured after november of 2008 will have the NXE preloaded on it, Considering the Efuses needed to be blown, why would they instal old kernel/dash on a newly manufatured board.
So yes, for a common sense question, It comes preloaded with the dash that MS forced down everyones throats.
Actually, the problem is you don't know what you're talking about. I have an arcade with a manufacture date of 2009-02-27 without NXE installed on it.
Post by: dsavage on June 18, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
seems we don't have them yet here, the new liteon fw, not sure tho.
Post by: rscarrab on June 19, 2009, 08:57:00 AM
I don't understand how the dash works? Cheers for pointing that out.
Though didn't i say that it would most likely be on the internal MU? And futch1nc is saying his xbox didn't come pre-loaded with NXE after purchasing it in February this year, so... who really knows how the dashboard works, eh? In terms of the lag, i was referring to how quickly information is accessed on the HDD. I wasn't referring to load times (like for 360 games), i was referring to how quickly HDD data can be accessed. There is a difference.
My concern was that the xbox360 doesn't read from the HDD at an adequate enough speed and can cause dashboard lag. I mean correct me if im wrong but MS went into this race not expecting to depend on a HDD.
Doesn't Halo3 run off the DVD better than the HDD (or at least used to)? I have dashboard lag that lasts 30-45 seconds.
Basically, what im saying is it very well could be WHERE the information is, not how much RAM the system has or how much SPACE the HDD or MU has.
I've been using PC's all my life both in work and play, i think i know the difference between disc space and RAM. I think my granny does at this stage. I figured if i compared to a 54,00rpm HDD anyone who responded would understand that im referring to the actual hard drive speed.
I actually have put a lot more thought into this than you might have noticed before giving your response.
(and yes your HDD can influence how fast your PC can load apps or games, so your not entirely correct there)
@Murc
Cheers. Is it on the internal MU, if so does it respond better?
Just to be clear. Can anyone, without a doubt, put this to rest?
Would the NXE, loaded onto the internal MU, increase the performance of the dashboard (navigation).
Is there anyone out there who actually owns a 360 with NXE on the internal MU and has/hasn't noticed a difference?