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Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 04, 2009, 05:14:00 AM

I can't read German, but apparently a new LiteOn has been spotted in Germany DG-16D2S FW:83850c

Seems they haven't been able to flash it yet ether

Link

Google translated (still makes no sense to me lol)

Just a heads up, what do you guys make of it?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: insanityforall on June 08, 2009, 04:02:00 AM

Well from the picture you've posted nothing is different ,quick glance is 100% the same. And the foreign website you linked to. Is a bunch of German guys "arguing" about where the picture is of the actual Xbox drive's case that proves there is a new lite-on revision out. They are all agreeing that they have all flashed consoles that have came from the exact same manufacturing plant that this guy's unflashable revision came from, with mfr date's AFTER his. They would like to know, and I would to, where is the picture to prove there is a new drive? Also they are commenting on how odd it is, that they were the region of origin for a new drive to be released, when it's usually the US. No picture = no proof. I purchased a Brand new Jasper today with a flashable lite-on it's MFR date is 03-15-2009 (6 days after his) He's jerking your chain. There is also mention that the original poster is just pissed off, because he also posted in the wii section "he just bricked his Wii."

The End

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: alwaysonjohn on June 08, 2009, 03:46:00 PM

The A0A2 is a known revision. Some people have reported that their drive was missing serial information, but jungleflasher was able to patch it in.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: D-BlooD on June 09, 2009, 11:45:00 PM

Allready flashed 4 of these without any problems and 2 of these reported missing serial information.

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D-BlooD
Team Xunlock

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: APE on June 10, 2009, 12:36:00 AM

I flashed one of these last night, manufactured in March 2009. Had problems with getting the tray in the right position the first time (unusual for me) but it got all the data it needed without any complaints.

PEKAC is my guess. Not like most people posting around here really understand what they're doing.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: mr2000jp on June 10, 2009, 01:08:00 AM

i think this matter should be the same as the older benq drive , it has a new ver. of the firmware , but the main chip is the same , so its ok to use the older firmware (the hacked one) .but what we need to know is that the key extraction will go with no problems , i mean that it might give you a fake key or some thing .
and for those who got their hands on the new drive , what was the manufacturing date of the console?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: somenutter on June 10, 2009, 01:11:00 AM

i hope this is bs cos otherwise im going out to get as many older boxes as possible

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: turk3y on June 10, 2009, 01:47:00 AM

QUOTE(somenutter @ Jun 10 2009, 07:11 AM)

i hope this is bs cos otherwise im going out to get as many older boxes as possible

this forum is not about making money out of such things, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

back on topic these guys have probably just not been able to do this individual drive, but I am sure M$ must be working on a new firmware for the liteon, I mean even a small change would render the hack dead for quite a while as I guess the "cracking" involved alot of cash and time, makeing them jump through these hoops again would slow things down, they might even go rolling code like the last hitatchi's.
All we can do is wait and see.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: chinozzz on June 10, 2009, 02:19:00 AM

These are definitely moddable, I have been able to flash them and have done quite a few. They do give me some issues sometimes with the tray not being at the right spot and also have had them report back as missing serial info. They are moddable though, for sure

chino
XBadvance.com

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Tron[ADS] on June 10, 2009, 02:20:00 AM

I had a 360 in on Monday night that had a manufacture date of 28/04/2009. No matter what I tried, I was unable to extract the key from it. I opened up an older Lite-on to verify my hardware was OK (it was), so after an hour or so, I had to return it to my mate un-flashed.

I have done an awful lot of Lite-on's, and this was the first to give me any trouble whatsoever.

I did notice that the drive controller chip had a different chip ID on it, but unfortunately, I never made a note of it, or took any photos.

I did think it was just a rogue drive, but now Im thinking maybe it was one of these drives.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Ree1981 on June 10, 2009, 02:25:00 AM

Same here, I've seen quite a few A0A2's return from Germany and they've all been flashable. Question is how you tell these ones apart.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: somenutter on June 10, 2009, 02:53:00 AM

QUOTE(turk3y @ Jun 10 2009, 08:47 AM)

this forum is not about making money out of such things,

back on topic these guys have probably just not been able to do this individual drive, but I am sure M$ must be working on a new firmware for the liteon, I mean even a small change would render the hack dead for quite a while as I guess the "cracking" involved alot of cash and time, makeing them jump through these hoops again would slow things down, they might even go rolling code like the last hitatchi's.
All we can do is wait and see.

i dont make any money there for me and my family friends if i we get banned i would need 10 new boxes at least and dont want to have these new drives

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: wawnord on June 10, 2009, 03:50:00 AM

Thank you Guy for confirming that these DVD-Drives are flashable/readable... SOme Users were freaking out...

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 10, 2009, 03:57:00 AM

QUOTE(Ree1981 @ Jun 10 2009, 07:25 AM)

Same here, I've seen quite a few A0A2's return from Germany and they've all been flashable. Question is how you tell these ones apart.

Tell them apart by the FW revision on the label 83850c?

IPB Image

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: carlitoB on June 10, 2009, 03:58:00 AM

can i just say that on the picture if you zoom in you can clearly see it is revision B3850C, B at start not 8. I notice that all around the web people are using the wrong code lol

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Djpj on June 10, 2009, 04:06:00 AM

I'm lucky i guess, my drive was replaced with a new one from march 2009, and it's flashable!

I have:
HW ver: A0A2
FW ver: 74850C
Model: DG-16D2S

So A0A2 is the latest?

Well i had problems in Jungleflasher after erasing drive, the flash chip properties didn't show up so Write was aborted evertime.
I just turned my drive off and on with CK3 and send device id intro, then everything worked like a charm!

It might be my computer i think

This post has been edited by Djpj: Jun 10 2009, 11:07 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: barzi on June 10, 2009, 04:17:00 AM

QUOTE(Djpj @ Jun 10 2009, 12:06 PM)

Many people say in this topic that it did work to flash a A0A2, but as you can see above, there are 2 types of A0A2. The one above has a different firmware version then then topic starter.

Maybe it's the firmware 83850c that has problems with flashing.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Johnny HugeButt on June 10, 2009, 04:24:00 AM

I was just at some other forum and this was stated:

quote:

I did some research on a German forum and apparently the key of the new Lite-On can be dumped/ read out with a probe like the Xecuter one but you have to use alternative points on the PCB. There arent any specific instructions yet but trying the different contacts on this picture out kind of randomly worked for 4 people in the original thread.

There is no information yet if flashing with that Key and the old firmware works so try that on your own risk because it might not work, the PCB got a different firmware chip revision than the older Lite-On drives.

end quote

So it might not be as bad as it sounds

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: warbeast on June 10, 2009, 04:50:00 AM

QUOTE(Johnny HugeButt @ Jun 10 2009, 11:24 AM)

I was just at some other forum and this was stated:
quote:

I did some research on a German forum and apparently the key of the new Lite-On can be dumped/ read out with a probe like the Xecuter one but you have to use alternative points on the PCB. There arent any specific instructions yet but trying the different contacts on this picture out kind of randomly worked for 4 people in the original thread.

There is no information yet if flashing with that Key and the old firmware works so try that on your own risk because it might not work, the PCB got a different firmware chip revision than the older Lite-On drives.

end quote
So it might not be as bad as it sounds

i cant see how myself if the pcb is the same the layout for tx rx shold be the same unless i've missed somthing

i would think if its a new fw the location of the key may be at a diffent address in the new fw so the current dumping would return a wrong key untill modifed to dump the right address

then again from what i've read so far it looks like it may well be nothing at all hopefully it will be comfirmed to be true or false soon

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 10, 2009, 05:46:00 AM

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Jun 10 2009, 08:58 AM)

can i just say that on the picture if you zoom in you can clearly see it is revision B3850C, B at start not 8. I notice that all around the web people are using the wrong code lol

Yes, everybody else is wrong. lol

I see what you are saying, but I think it's just a bad picture. Also, as the last revision started with a "7" it seems likely that this would be an 8 (according to those that know more about this stuff than me).

This post has been edited by DARKFiB3R: Jun 10 2009, 12:47 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: sabbath_dude on June 10, 2009, 05:58:00 AM

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Jun 10 2009, 10:58 AM)

can i just say that on the picture if you zoom in you can clearly see it is revision B3850C, B at start not 8. I notice that all around the web people are using the wrong code lol

If you take another closer look you'll see to the left of the 8 some of the pixels have greyed out making it appear like a B. It's just a low quality pic.

This post has been edited by sabbath_dude: Jun 10 2009, 01:00 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: warnos16v on June 10, 2009, 06:56:00 AM

I have a few A0A2 liteones.

Previously I was worried that they might be different.

But the firmware I have on mine are 74850C

One is even dated 28th April 09 and I modded it without a problem.

Not sure about the firmware I did on that one will have to look at it.. but it worked not problem with jungle flash.. just the usual message you get when doing a A0A2 machine..

The new firmware if it is a problem..must not be being used on all Xbox 360 yet..

This post has been edited by warnos16v: Jun 10 2009, 02:02 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on June 10, 2009, 07:02:00 AM

microsoft really stop wasting your money on this bs and make us some AAA games ffs!

We all know this will/is hacked so stop wasting money.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: alwaysonjohn on June 10, 2009, 07:32:00 AM

So what did they do with this firmware revision? If they moved the location of the key then getting 0's would make sense. any links to places that are talking about this? just dont link me to the firmware download (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by alwaysonjohn: Jun 10 2009, 02:32 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: swissjay on June 10, 2009, 07:50:00 AM

I'm fluent in German (well yeah, I'm Swiss) and although I don't own a 360, I gather from the German thread that the issue seems to be some kind of resin covering the solder points. Some of the guys on that forum suggested scratching the solder points with a needle and reporting success (user hooma1986) after that.

So dunno if you guys can make something of that...

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: buttface96 on June 10, 2009, 08:14:00 AM

I am a bit surprised m$ has not implemented any kind of newer un-modable drive yet. But then again they are m$

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: BoNg420 on June 10, 2009, 08:43:00 AM

QUOTE(alwaysonjohn @ Jun 10 2009, 09:32 AM)

Well if that's the case, they might be able to just change some of the software to be able to find the key.

QUOTE(buttface96 @ Jun 10 2009, 10:14 AM)

I am a bit surprised m$ has not implemented any kind of newer un-modable drive yet. But then again they are m$

Well they made this deal with liteon and moved on from Benq. So they probably have to buy so many for a contract.

Think about it, they have tried so much in an effort to stop firmware modding, hitachi 78/79, epoxy on chips, new benq drive, new liteon drive. All have failed to prevent it. So what is their next trick up their sleeve?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Bazdoctor on June 10, 2009, 09:15:00 AM

QUOTE

Think about it, they have tried so much in an effort to stop firmware modding, hitachi 78/79, epoxy on chips, new benq drive, new liteon drive. All have failed to prevent it. So what is their next trick up their sleeve?

Buying some certain people out maybe. The xbox comes to mind.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: vb_encryption_vb on June 10, 2009, 09:18:00 AM

QUOTE(Djpj @ Jun 10 2009, 06:06 AM)

I've had the same issue, I think it's the latest version of jungleflasher though being stubborn, that's when I noticed it being a lil pissy from time to time. But power cycling the drive and hitting the device intro seems to work.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: MickRick on June 10, 2009, 10:19:00 AM

QUOTE(swissjay @ Jun 10 2009, 02:50 PM)

It looks as though the CK3 probe point is clear though.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 10, 2009, 10:24:00 AM

There's 4 via's to probe | The IC leg, I hardly think they would take this long to develop "epoxy over one via"

The fact its a new f/w revision completely suggests that the manner in which it operates or its structure, is different.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 10, 2009, 10:49:00 AM

The new liteon drive can't flash like the oldone if i manually add the serials(Lazer, pcb & cover) codes that it missing from dumping 4 files anyone can get with connectivity kit 3.

If there is anyone to know how i can flashed the new liteon drive.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 10, 2009, 10:51:00 AM

QUOTE(fitsman @ Jun 10 2009, 05:49 PM)

That, is not this.

You just have data missing at 0x1ff00.

The drive will function fine without this data.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: MickRick on June 10, 2009, 11:41:00 AM

Probably due to using the first Jungleflasher release. Try updating to the latest version.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Reaper527 on June 10, 2009, 11:43:00 AM

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jun 10 2009, 10:43 AM)

Well they made this deal with liteon and moved on from Benq.

i don't think they "moved on" from benq, i think liteon actually acquired benq.

you are right though, ms is constantly trying to stop firmware mods, and its a never ending game of cat and mouse.

---edit---

http://www.emsnow.com/newsarchives/archive...ls.cfm?ID=12622

yeah, liteon and benq's optical division are one in the same.

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Jun 10 2009, 06:44 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 10, 2009, 11:51:00 AM

QUOTE(MickRick @ Jun 10 2009, 06:41 PM)

Probably due to using the first Jungleflasher release. Try updating to the latest version.

JF has always dumped this data, and if the data isnt there to be dumped ... then ... it .. isnt .. present! Updating JF will not change this as its simply not there.

Many a refurb has come back without this data.

Wandering off topic anyway.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: carniver on June 10, 2009, 11:54:00 AM

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jun 10 2009, 07:43 AM)

I think they're heading to the right direction with the liteon. Make the process as painful and costy as possible, the hackers cannot afford this by themselves for very long. One day when the hackers have to set up PayPal accounts to collect donations, then they can get a court order to have paypal reveal the names of all the hackers.

For now they can remove the function to dump the key from their firmware?

This post has been edited by carniver: Jun 10 2009, 06:56 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: MickRick on June 10, 2009, 12:09:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 10 2009, 06:51 PM)

I think you'll find that it hasn't. The first release had a bug that failed to read this data and drives had to have the data entered manually with a hex editor.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Ldngeez on June 10, 2009, 12:16:00 PM

QUOTE(MickRick @ Jun 10 2009, 07:09 PM)

I think you'll find that it hasn't. The first release had a bug that failed to read this data and drives had to have the data entered manually with a hex editor.

I think you will find Oggy is correct, the problem was never a "bug" in JungleFlasher.
It was actually a poorly written Guide giving incorrect instructions.(Team-Xecuters Guide)

This post has been edited by Ldngeez: Jun 10 2009, 07:23 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: MickRick on June 10, 2009, 01:03:00 PM

Really? What was the poorly written information that caused JF to fail to save the info to the extracted files?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 10, 2009, 01:11:00 PM

Taken from JF v043b readme (this is what T-X depict in their tutorial)

QUOTE

3. Moved, build from dump files to DVDKey32 Tab and added warning.
i. this function was for legacy support only, but some used it in main path
ii. this is for creating a dummy from old dump files
iii. dummy.bin from JF, Dosflash 1.7 or DVDkey 0.7 should always be used where possible.
iv. only dummy.bin created in this way will include drive serial data

Feel free to dump a stock LiteOn, using JF v026, use the FirmwareTool32 \ Advanced \ Serial tabs and you'll see full 0x1ff00 data present.

Then, open the same dummy.bin in JF v0162 and you wont see the warning

If it was present on the drive to start with of course

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxmoddude on June 10, 2009, 01:36:00 PM

QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Jun 10 2009, 05:15 PM)

Buying some certain people out maybe. The xbox comes to mind.

Why not just mould the entire drive PCB into epoxy?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: run187 on June 10, 2009, 01:43:00 PM

QUOTE(vb_encryption_vb @ Jun 10 2009, 04:18 PM)

yeah jf can be pain sometimes i had problems flashing a new revesion tired my friends older one worked first time ,power ctvling and reboot of pc fixed other probem (after i tired every sata port possiblle every usb and every wire combo known to mam on the newer revesion )..

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: -PK- on June 10, 2009, 02:12:00 PM

Considering what they did with the hitachi 78/79, this drive's fw doesn't appear to be much of an issue.

QUOTE(xboxmoddude @ Jun 10 2009, 08:36 PM)

Why not just mould the entire drive PCB into epoxy?

Or forget the pcb all together. Wire all of the components together in to a messy ball and submerge in epoxy. Each drive would have its own unique ball of wires making things impractical for both parties. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Djpj on June 10, 2009, 03:25:00 PM

QUOTE(-PK- @ Jun 10 2009, 10:12 PM)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: sowa99 on June 10, 2009, 03:25:00 PM

http://www.xbox.is.n...es/DSC00253.JPG

Here is lite from march too, still with old firmware.
Xbox come few days ago from warranty, from Germany.

Regards, Sowa

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: LEON007 on June 10, 2009, 03:30:00 PM

QUOTE(carniver @ Jun 10 2009, 06:54 PM)

Isn't that JF hade the paypal button from long time?? From your logic C4E and crew is in jail already.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: deilzfcjk on June 10, 2009, 03:51:00 PM

you can't currently dump the firmware from any liteon. It was got from other means. Like with acid and decapping the IC controller chip. The hacked liteon is a shell or dummy if you will that we apply our keys to. So, the fact that you state that the key can be dumped via firmware is not correct. The firmware gets dumped via the Rs232 serial connection, ie it doesn't come along with the firmware from the drive? The firmware is not dumped via any software, ie J/F, xtractor, or Xecuter software reader.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Mr.RedRing on June 10, 2009, 05:17:00 PM

QUOTE(APE @ Jun 10 2009, 02:36 AM)

Same here. I thought it was odd at first, but upon opening it up it looked exactly the same. Took me two tries to get the tray in the right position. I do this almost everyday so it was an unusual situation for me as well. The second time it flashed fine.

I don't think it is anything to worry about. That same system has a new southbridge chip though, it is solid black without the silver circle. Instead of it saying Xbox 360 inside of the little silver circle, the silver circle was gone, the whole chip was bigger and solid black.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Bandit5317 on June 10, 2009, 10:42:00 PM

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Jun 10 2009, 06:17 PM)

As far as the Southbridge goes, that just means that you have a Jasper motherboard.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: LockandLoad12gauge on June 10, 2009, 11:32:00 PM

QUOTE(wawnord @ Jun 10 2009, 10:50 AM)

Thank you Guy for confirming that these DVD-Drives are flashable/readable... SOme Users were freaking out...

Freaking out I say!! Now all these people won't ever to be able to play the plethora of amazing and awesome homebrew titles! Say it ain't so!! Now they'll be stuck with going to the local BB and backing up all that crappy official software...boo hoo.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Exobex on June 11, 2009, 03:10:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 10 2009, 06:51 PM)

Many a refurb has come back without this data.

Had one of those last week (my first), manufacture code 91505. Thought I'd buggered up the read the first time, so deleted from PC and tried again, exactly the same. Firmtool reckons the serial number data's incomplete.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: modtek on June 11, 2009, 03:50:00 AM

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Jun 11 2009, 09:17 AM)

I done one of these the other night, with a newer date.

I never had issues with the tray though, key dumped fine through Jungle but i had a few issues when trying to erase before flashing, took 3 tries at it before it worked..

In the end all fine,

Never, ever had an issue with any others

strange...

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: bobbler on June 11, 2009, 08:21:00 AM

Had one in a returned 360 about a week ago that I was asked to do of these. Had to input the serial data by hand into JF to get it sorted but read the main key with no issues. Flashed fine too...
I didn't notice that odd bulge on the drive casing though, it was like any other Liteon from what I remember of it.

This post has been edited by bobbler: Jun 11 2009, 03:23 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Exobex on June 11, 2009, 03:49:00 PM

Had another A0A2 earlier, read and flashed fine, no serial number issues. Looks like the firmware's the problem, not the hardware.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 12, 2009, 12:14:00 AM

Have anyone find a way to dump all the information from new liteon drives so it don't needed to enter it manually.
With little words can we flash the new revision of liteon drives?

A lot of thanks.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: anarchy2007 on June 12, 2009, 02:17:00 AM

I've had the serial info reported missing on 3 360 consoles so far, but all 3 of them had been flashed with 1.5 before. I was doing an update to 1.6. Although the serial data was reported missing I had no issues after flashing with 1.6.

Maybe these roms come with referbed consoles i.e. the roms have been reflashed by M$' repair center when referbing.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: shadowbroker on June 12, 2009, 02:29:00 AM

I had a liteon last week that i have a bit of trouble flashing. I didnt think to look at the revision you know, but i did eventually flash it. I was having trouble finding halfway on the tray (i dont usually) and was having some problems probing the key, but eventually did.

...i just put it down to flashing after only just waking up at 6am and not having my coffee yet. so i dont know was it a newer drive or did i just have sleep in my eyes? either way i DID get it flashed, just took 2 moments longer than usual.

About the photo showin in 1st post, too bad you cant get the META data in the photos properties, would tell you what camera took it, the ISO, F-stop, DATE, exact second it was taken, ect. maybe if you find the original source it was posted from/to or where its hosted, you will be able to read its meta data. looks like a photo i seen months and months ago in part of a turorial about where to probe, only without the text over the photo.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Dra60nSlayer on June 12, 2009, 02:44:00 AM

What is the diffenence between hardware A0A1 and A0A2 ?
(more than the epoxy)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Exobex on June 12, 2009, 03:21:00 AM

QUOTE(Dra60nSlayer @ Jun 12 2009, 09:44 AM)

What is the diffenence between hardware A0A1 and A0A2 ?
(more than the epoxy)

What epoxy? I didn't run into any epoxy problems doing one, just probed the usual point.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: run187 on June 12, 2009, 03:28:00 AM

i think there sod all diffrence, wish i had known about the epoxy before i had to jab probe every where until found place to get key r708 gave me i thougt it was something the previous person had done who had flashed the xbox i was working on it didnt help that i clicked write and not lite on earse (thought it was benq i was tired not best time to do drives)..

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 12, 2009, 04:32:00 AM

To dump the key and others information from the new liteon drives it need to probe in R707(Like the oldone liteon drives) or the R708?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: X-hacker on June 12, 2009, 06:20:00 AM

Can you people ACTUALLY READ? Hardware version is the same - Firmware isn't. (Hello, Hitachi 47 & 59?)

The HARDWARE is EXACTLY the same. I had a scan over BOTH PCBs and there is NO difference at all.

People are so quick to jump on the dummy bandwagon. I have already flashed/erased/dumped keys from these new liteons. The procedure is EXACTLY the same.

Seems to me this German guy is a numpty who doesn't know what he's doing. If he's bricked his Wii, god knows what he'll be doing next (too much brutwurst?)

HYPE HYPE HYPE - thats all it is. Just shows how fickle "the mob" is.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: sp71supra on June 12, 2009, 07:08:00 AM

I think we are ok... I have flashed one of the newer lite-on drives and JF came back with missing data.. I just added it in manually and it was good to go.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: MicroShack on June 12, 2009, 08:00:00 AM

Well I had 4 new consoles this week with all April 09 liteons in them ...

All 4 reported not finding the data but all flashed fine and worked A1.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 12, 2009, 10:00:00 AM

QUOTE(X-hacker @ Jun 12 2009, 01:20 PM)

You've flashed an 83850c fine?

Do you have the dummy.bin from them?

The A0A2 is almost irrelevant to this discussion, ignore it.

The 83850c part is the important part. Its a well known fact A0A2 (74850c) dump/flash fine.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: krizalid on June 12, 2009, 01:12:00 PM

So, as I understand so far, all we need to do is manually add the Serial data to the dump files in order to create a full stealth ix-1.6 firmware????

Now that I think About it, my friend's new LiteOn asked for this and I did enter it manually, but I never paid attention to the FW revision, and didn't look for differences since it dumped the key just fine.

hmmmm

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: adamscybot on June 12, 2009, 04:15:00 PM

QUOTE(krizalid @ Jun 12 2009, 08:12 PM)

So, as I understand so far, all we need to do is manually add the Serial data to the dump files in order to create a full stealth ix-1.6 firmware????
Now that I think About it, my friend's new LiteOn asked for this and I did enter it manually, but I never paid attention to the FW revision, and didn't look for differences since it dumped the key just fine.

hmmmm

It looks that way.

I think jungle flasher was just ahead of the game on this one.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: majinsoftware on June 12, 2009, 06:34:00 PM

Well I just got one of these drive last night to do. Iv done other A0A2 drives fine but this 83850c one just wouldnt dump a good key. Would try dump it any only get 0000000, keept trying then I got half the key on one try, and the end of it was all CCCCC. So I thought it was my probe and soldered it to make sure it wasnt then started getting 0000 again. then finally I got the other half of the key but with it starting CCCC.

Tryed putting both the half keys I got together but it was still missing 2 characters. Unless the key strangly had a CC in the middle.

Maybe they have made it so the firmware moves the key around after each power on/off. Thats the only way I can explain it because I didnt another normal lite on drive after trying that one for 2 hours with out a problem.
Just had to tell the guy id txt him when I knew more about these drivers.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: LootinGraves on June 12, 2009, 11:24:00 PM

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Jun 13 2009, 10:34 AM)

That kind of sounds like the key in part is being stored dynamically, not entirely though since part of the key shows up and the rest is masked. This would not be by accident either, it's clearly a direct anti-dumping security mechanism put in by Lite-On.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 13, 2009, 12:00:00 AM

Others say it is like the old all the procedure others say that is not like the oldone the procedure.
Which one must believe and why?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: majinsoftware on June 13, 2009, 12:37:00 AM

Just have to wait intill these drives are common before coming to any conclusions.
But dynamically storing the key for anti-dumping protection would be a good reason to update the firmware.
I dont see any other reason to update the base firmware while leaving all the hardware the same.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxmoddude on June 13, 2009, 01:28:00 AM

I think the reason why people are getting confused here is because some see A0A2 and think they have a new drive. Clearly the 83850c firmware key is not dumpable yet.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Exobex on June 13, 2009, 02:58:00 AM

Bearing in mind that the firmware is the same, is it wise to add the serials? If the serials are missing from the firmware because they forgot to enter them at the refurb factory, surely by filling them in you've now got a mismatch between what your firmware has and what MS thinks it has? Could be just a lazy sod tabbing through all the boxes on screen instead of either filling them in or barcode-scanning them. If he's got a wall of 360s waiting for drive prepping, it'd get him through them a bit quicker.

Did an A0A2 again yesterday, read fine with no serial number issues, hence my suspicions about adding what's not there.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Martinchris23 on June 13, 2009, 03:12:00 AM

QUOTE(Exobex @ Jun 13 2009, 09:58 AM)

Was it an A0A2 with 83850c firmware? It should be registered in the jf.log (if that's what you use and save afterwards).

I do agree tho - filling in empty spaces with what JF THINKS should be serial data is dangerous. It's entirely possible that the new version just doesn't have the data there any more.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 13, 2009, 09:11:00 AM

Why isn't create a new version of jun gleflasher or dosflash that support the new liteon drives so we can take all the information we need(Serial no of pcb, cover, lazer) from new liteon drive

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 13, 2009, 09:17:00 AM

Well, we'd need one of these new drives to add support fully

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Romen on June 13, 2009, 09:34:00 AM

The other day I dumped a 83850c A0A2... all went well expect for it missing some of the serial info.

It contained the correct serial number, but was missing the laser and other numbers.

Also, I noted that it took a while for JF to detect the flash chip type... A series of quick resets solved that issue though.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 13, 2009, 10:08:00 AM

Can I get your dummy.bin?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 13, 2009, 11:04:00 AM

Is there a way to take and flash the new HW Ver.:A0A2 FW Ver.:83850C like the oldone liteon drives or it maybe needed some other hardware revisions like ck3 or 360xtractor?

Me i have the connectivity kit 3 and i hope to not need to buy some other hardware revision to support and the newest liteon drives.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 13, 2009, 11:41:00 AM

Of all the people that claim to have an 83850C, can none of you donate it?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: ddsdavey on June 13, 2009, 11:47:00 AM

QUOTE(LockandLoad12gauge @ Jun 11 2009, 06:32 AM)

What are you babbling on about!

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: kompulsive on June 13, 2009, 04:03:00 PM

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jun 10 2009, 11:43 AM)

i don't think they "moved on" from benq, i think liteon actually acquired benq.

you are right though, ms is constantly trying to stop firmware mods, and its a never ending game of cat and mouse.

---edit---

http://www.emsnow.co...ls.cfm?ID=12622

yeah, liteon and benq's optical division are one in the same.

where in the hell did you hear this? lite-on has most certainly not "acquired" benq. aside from making an xbox drive once upon a time, benq makes some amazing products. including, imho, some of the best consumer LCDs and short-throw projectors available.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: shtonkalot on June 13, 2009, 05:45:00 PM

QUOTE(kompulsive @ Jun 14 2009, 08:03 AM)

where in the hell did you hear this? lite-on has most certainly not "acquired" benq.

Where in the the hell did you get such a strong opinion on something you don't know about? Yeah Lite-On didn't acquire BENQ in whole but we are talking about optical drives here. Guess what? Lite-On did acquire BENQ's optical drive division, years ago.
http://www.emsnow.com/newsarchives/archivedetails.cfm?ID=12622

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 14, 2009, 05:07:00 AM

lol at the 1 post wonder who signed up just to get pwned. Good job kompulsive.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: courier on June 15, 2009, 12:37:00 AM

if anyone donate me this new drive im happy for joke inside .please contact me in P.M
need just a few hour

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: grovespaz on June 15, 2009, 04:52:00 AM

Has anyone tried flashing the new drive with their old & already patched firmware?
If the hardware's the same, you should in essence spoof your old drive, right?

If the drive continues to function (and you don't get banned), it should just be a matter of finding a correct way do dump the info you need, right?

This should rule out some possibilities..

(Note: I don't own a 360 myself, just sharing some thoughts)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Reaper527 on June 15, 2009, 10:03:00 AM

QUOTE(shtonkalot @ Jun 13 2009, 07:45 PM)

thats the same link i posted and he quoted

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: brain27 on June 15, 2009, 11:32:00 AM

*phew*. thats a relief. its good to know that we can still hack all the drives .
including this liteon. btw is there any difference between the previous one and this one (apart from the firmware revision)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Exobex on June 15, 2009, 03:06:00 PM

QUOTE(grovespaz @ Jun 15 2009, 11:52 AM)

Has anyone tried flashing the new drive with their old & already patched firmware?
If the hardware's the same, you should in essence spoof your old drive, right?

If the drive continues to function (and you don't get banned), it should just be a matter of finding a correct way do dump the info you need, right?

This should rule out some possibilities..
(Note: I don't own a 360 myself, just sharing some thoughts)

You don't want to do that, unless you're sacrificing a machine for the good of the community. Repaired consoles get new keys, the old firmware may work, but the key won't.

QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jun 13 2009, 10:12 AM)

I don't use JungleFlasher, I use DOSFLASH, FirmTool and my good ol' set of batch files, in Win98 command prompt mode, no Windows GUI loaded. I trust Windows to flash Hitachis but nothing else.

I doubt it was an 83850C, I'd have spotted that when looking for reasons why the serial was missing. I'll just put it down to repair-team laziness, and leave it blank rather than filling in from the labels.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 17, 2009, 07:08:00 AM

Bit of info for you guys, translation from German, sounds like the guy couldn't dump key from the 83850C drive:

Translation: German » English
--------------------GERMAN-----------------------
ich würde gerne mal screens sehen von den usern die hier behaupten die haben ein LiteOn DG-16D2S FW:83850c ausgelesen und geflasht. Behaupten kann ich auch viel und somit stelle ich mal ein Bild zur verfügung was zeigt das es nicht geht. jetzt kommt mir nicht die JF version ist zu alt. ich habe verschiedene versionen von JF getestet und auch das Maximus xtractor tool versucht. ich habe es mit spear getestet und auch mit lötbrücke und zusätzlich die alternativ punkte versucht. fakt ist das ein kollege und ich heute ca. 15 x DG-16D2S FW:74850C gemacht haben und das in Windows mit JF und auch im Dos mit iprep. Angeblich soll die schublade beim DG-16D2S FW:83850c ja in einer bestimmten stellung stehen da es sonst nicht geht. auch das haben wir alles und millimeter für millimeter versucht auch daran liegt es nicht. jetzt kommt hier nicht mit dem gesülze wir haben keine ahnung. bringt mal fakten auf den tisch und macht screens und zeigt diese hier mal vor. Bild vom DG-16D2S FW:83850C im JF
-----------------GERMAN-------------------------

English:
I would like to see screens of the users here say the have a LiteOn DG-16D2S FW: 83850c out and flashed.
I can also say a lot and therefore I times an image is available which shows that it does not.
Now I'm not the JF version is too old.
I have several versions of JF tested the Maximus and also tried xtractor tool.
I have tested it with a spear and with a solder bridge and in addition, the alternative point attempts.

fakt, this is a colleague and I am now about 15 x DG-16D2S FW: 74850C made and this in Windows with JF, and also in Dos with iprep.

Supposedly the drawer at the DG-16D2S FW: 83850c yes in a certain position otherwise it is not possible.

also, we have everything and millimeter for millimeter tried also because it is not.

Now here comes not with the gesülze we have no idea.
times brings facts to the table, making screens and displays them here sometimes.

Picture of DG-16D2S FW: 83850C in JF

(IMG:http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/f26567x252.jpg)

Source: http://board.gulli.com/thread/1385872-lite...d2s-fw83850c/7/

I believe people are just spewing BS about being able to dump this drive, they must've mistook it for an 74850C. Logically do you think MS released a new firmware for this drive for nothing? It's common sense they would have added some protection while they are at it.

I'm not surprised this has happened, as it's always been possible to patch key dumping by putting a different FW revision that does not allow it.

This post has been edited by Zoneout: Jun 17 2009, 02:13 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: danipukok on June 17, 2009, 12:15:00 PM

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jun 17 2009, 02:08 PM)

Source: http://board.gulli.c...d2s-fw83850c/7/

I believe people are just spewing BS about being able to dump this drive, they must've mistook it for an 74850C. Logically do you think MS released a new firmware for this drive for nothing? It's common sense they would have added some protection while they are at it.

I'm not surprised this has happened, as it's always been possible to patch key dumping by putting a different FW revision that does not allow it.

jungleflasher 0.26

well couldnt that be a issue?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: murdock2577 on June 17, 2009, 12:22:00 PM

QUOTE(danipukok @ Jun 17 2009, 09:15 PM)

jungleflasher 0.26

well couldnt that be a issue?

he mentioned that he tested alot of programs..including newer jungelflashers

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: The Dude Z on June 17, 2009, 12:43:00 PM

QUOTE(swissjay @ Jun 10 2009, 08:50 AM)

if that is the case they could always just flip the board over and use the points on the other side of the drive.
The TX/RX circles on the opposite side of the board under the laser are where i solder to in the very rare case that the TX RX solder pads we normally bridge get pulled off.

Just scrape away the surface to the pad and solder a very small wire direct from those pads to the spots on the power connector for TX RX
It is easy to see the traces and where they go to the connector.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: The Dude Z on June 17, 2009, 12:54:00 PM

QUOTE(kompulsive @ Jun 13 2009, 05:03 PM)

Dude Lite-ON Did acquire BenQ's Optical Disc Drive division long ago.
Do you think it is just chance that a BenQ and a Lite-on use all the same parts except for the pcb-board?

And is it just chance that they use the same warranty sticker on the corner of the drive ?

Lite-on has acquired lots of Optical disc drive makers which makes it the largest maker of optical disc drives in the world.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 17, 2009, 03:52:00 PM

QUOTE(danipukok @ Jun 17 2009, 07:15 PM)

jungleflasher 0.26

well couldnt that be a issue?

No, 026 doesnt abort on bad serial data, 043+ do.

So, if he does it on v043b + JF will error and delete the dummy.bin so you are less likely to proceed with a (foolish) erase.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxer360 on June 17, 2009, 06:58:00 PM

I've actually flashed about 5 of these without checking the firmware. I noticed that all the liteon drives I was flashing with VERY new xboxes were coming back without serial data. I put it down to the fact that maybe they're just not putting it in the firmware anymore and left it at that. They all flashed perfectly. If I come across another, which I will pretty soon no doubt. I can swap with regular liteon and send it in. If one of the jungleflasher teams want to PM me an address I'll send the controller board. I noticed all the ones without serial were made past March 09, that is the drive MFR date, the xbox MFR date was alot later than that. This is in australia.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 17, 2009, 07:46:00 PM

Did you actually check the firmware itself?

Serial has nothing to do with FW.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxer360 on June 17, 2009, 08:17:00 PM

what you mean serial has nothing to do with FW, the serial is stored inside the firmware, the new firmwares I assued they just didn't bother putting the drive serial/laser serial etc in. and I did notice the hardware revision was a0a2, MFR march 09. If you want bring one down and I'll dump it in front of you

This post has been edited by xboxer360: Jun 18 2009, 03:35 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 17, 2009, 09:01:00 PM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Jun 18 2009, 12:17 PM)

I'm referring to the firmware of the drive, was it an 83850C?

I've received one from a repair centre which is March '09 and it's an 74850C.

"nothing to do with firmware" I meant that 83850C isn't the cause of blank serials which has been happening since A0A2 and 74850C, they just didn't put it in, like you said.

Cheers

Zoneout

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Refferehtom on June 17, 2009, 11:18:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 17 2009, 03:52 PM)

No, 026 doesnt abort on bad serial data, 043+ do.

So, if he does it on v043b + JF will error and delete the dummy.bin so you are less likely to proceed with a (foolish) erase.

So if we're missing the data, are we supposed to add it since it wasn't put there in the first place? Any new development in your investigation Oggy?
What if we do downgrade to an older version of JF and flash it without the missing data, what will happen?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxer360 on June 18, 2009, 04:35:00 AM

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jun 18 2009, 04:01 AM)

ahh ok, nah didn't physically check the 83850. Just thought it might have been. Will check next one I come across though. Have you come across any in melb yet? All I know is I haven't come across any unmoddables

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 18, 2009, 05:52:00 AM

QUOTE(Refferehtom @ Jun 18 2009, 06:18 AM)

You are confusing the drives serial, and the key being dumped over a serial connection.

Or so I think.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 18, 2009, 10:14:00 AM

How to read out the Lite-On DG-16D2S 83850c *UPDATE*
posted on June 10, 2009, 10:49 AM by Wilhelm @ xbox-experts.com

I did some research on a German forum and apparently the key of the new Lite-On can be dumped/ read out with a probe like the Xecuter one but you have to use alternative points on the PCB.
There arent any specific instructions yet but trying the different contacts on this picture out kind of randomly worked for 4 people in the original thread.

There is no information yet if flashing with that Key and the old firmware works so try that on your own risk because it might not work, the PCB got a different firmware chip revision than the older Lite-On drives.

Here is the picture with the alternative points, thanks to the various users on Gulli.com and especially CeeJay1337:

IPB Image

*UPDATE*

Apparently the drive can be flashed there are a couple of people on Xbox-Scene and also on Gulli.com who made it to dump the key the normal way and flash it with the regular firmware.
The only difference seems to be that it is more difficult to get the tray in the proper situation but it appears to be flashable just like the older drives....

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: podger on June 18, 2009, 01:35:00 PM

For the record the pin numbering is incorrect, starts a dot and work anti-clockwise....

pin market 1 should be 128 and counting down to black = 124, red = 123

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 18, 2009, 05:15:00 PM

Im also willing to bet, that with 0820 ANSL on the MT1319L chip, thats a 74850c.

Probing the pins, or the 4 vias is not going to give the key.

Does anyone actually think PLDS are retarded enough to leave it open on the same track?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Gir489 on June 18, 2009, 05:31:00 PM

It's not a "trick", it's just an exploit in the firmware. It's not supposed to spit out the key like that.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 18, 2009, 05:44:00 PM

No matter if it was intended or not.

Do you honestly think they will leave it open / exploitable on a new f/w revision? Really?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: podger on June 18, 2009, 05:48:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 18 2009, 11:15 PM)

I would agree with this observation, that said if he had probed there, the exopy would be removed, very likely this is a stock image from Team Modfreakz or similar, the quality of the image alone would suggest this.

This post has been edited by podger: Jun 19 2009, 12:49 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 18, 2009, 10:28:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 19 2009, 09:44 AM)

No matter if it was intended or not.

Do you honestly think they will leave it open / exploitable on a new f/w revision? Really?

Exactly what I've been saying all along.

The german user was the only one with a bit of credibility, compared to users on this forum, mistaking an 74850C as an 83850C just because it spat out empty serial data etc.

I believe the FW dumping has been patched up by PLDS with 83850C, they wouldn't leave it open.

If they still did, then I believe they are morons, enough said

.

Well, it's a new challenge it seems.

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Jun 18 2009, 08:35 PM)

I haven't come accross an 83850C either, but it's very likely it will come from warranty centers first as they get the latest stock.

- Zoneout

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: dsavage on June 18, 2009, 11:20:00 PM

is the new fw liteon in the usa yet ?

seems most reports are all from europe or similar.

just curious if ms already has these on shelves here too, and if so what lot/date ect.

theres alot of talk goin on here but no definitive answer, is the new revision dumpable/flashable or not ?

thanks.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: syntaxerror329 on June 20, 2009, 11:48:00 AM

QUOTE(dsavage @ Jun 19 2009, 01:20 AM)

is the new fw liteon in the usa yet ?

seems most reports are all from europe or similar.
just curious if ms already has these on shelves here too, and if so what lot/date ect.
theres alot of talk goin on here but no definitive answer, is the new revision dumpable/flashable or not ?
thanks.

Most reports? Is there more then one person claiming to have this drive even?

I mean its been over 2 weeks now and as far as i know we still only have one person claiming to have this new drive.

I think if this drive was real 2 weeks would be enough time for many more sightings.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: pricemeista33 on June 21, 2009, 11:37:00 AM

I don't believe the guy at all and it merely looks like a copy paste job to start a bunch of rukkas. Some people just don't have anything else to do besides getting on everyone else nerves.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 22, 2009, 01:07:00 AM

Hold on, I think the 83850C is merely bullshit as said by the poster above.

As I can recall getting an April 2009 74850C with A0A2 from warranty a few weeks ago.

And the new 2009 X360s are already March 2009 Lite-Ons with 74850C.

mm, I'll believe it when it lands in Oggy or the team's hands.

- Zoneout

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: braza on June 22, 2009, 11:36:00 PM

http://img221.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=img08011.jpg

All ok !Flashed !

This post has been edited by braza: Jun 23 2009, 06:42 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: majinsoftware on June 23, 2009, 12:19:00 AM

^that isnt a 83850c, Thats just the old firmware with A0A2 hardware which can be flashed fine but some times misses serial data that has to be taken from the drive stickers.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 23, 2009, 12:41:00 AM

I think it's pretty conclusive now that the 83850C either:

1. Doesn't exist ie: BS
2. An odd batch (Hitachi v59 anyone?)

The picture by the user above is an May 2009 A0A2 Lite-On with 74850C. Wouldn't you think there would be 83850C's everywhere by now?

- Zoneout

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: majinsoftware on June 23, 2009, 12:50:00 AM

MS could be just starting off with a small limited amount to test them before having thousands out there then needing to recall them.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: keystroke on June 23, 2009, 04:46:00 AM

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jun 23 2009, 04:41 PM)

It's very clearly everywhere, coming back from repair jobs from MS and also sold in new consoles in certain regions.

no harm, I had one that read no key also.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 23, 2009, 05:23:00 AM

"very clearly everywhere"? All I see are idiots with an A0A2 74850C. How many 83850C's have you actually seen?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 23, 2009, 07:30:00 AM

Ive yet to physically see one, but my opinion is they are very real.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 23, 2009, 04:00:00 PM

Agreed, but I'm not sue that there is even 1 person in this thread that has actually had one. I'm positive that there are lots of cases of mistaken identity though.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: run187 on June 23, 2009, 04:34:00 PM

i seen and flashed one serial data needs entering sometimes

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: run187 on June 23, 2009, 04:48:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 19 2009, 12:15 AM)

Im also willing to bet, that with 0820 ANSL on the chip, thats a 74850c.

Probing the pins, or the 4 vias is not going to give the key.

Does anyone actually think PLDS are retarded enough to leave it open on the same track?

random parts of the board give green lights and let you get key from drive i say random beacuse i didnt take the time to look where i was shoving my probe thesse plds you mentioned are interconected ..

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 23, 2009, 10:09:00 PM

One day, Ill come to this forum and read a thread where the others read it properly too.

PLDS = Philips & LiteOn Digital Solutions

there are 4 vias that you can probe on a 74850c to obtain the key.

This is NOT a 74850c we are talking about, but an 83850c

This post has been edited by OggyUK: Jun 24 2009, 05:11 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 24, 2009, 07:09:00 AM

If i understand correct to flash the new liteon(HW A0A2 FW 83850C) drive you must probe another connection and not the R707 like the old liteon drives.
If all the above is correct witch is the new spots that we can dump and flash the new liteon(HW A0A2 FW 83850C) with connectivity kit 3

A lot of thanks.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: maxusz on June 26, 2009, 05:27:00 AM

any news on this?

Just bought an xbox arcade from mediamarkt and my friend that was going to hack-it is stuck.. the first one he manage to get the key out.. but he was stuck then.. we return the xbox in the 15 days return policy and now it's even worst.. he can't get the key out...

it's a march 09 box

74850c

when we try to dos flash it says "problems with sata comunication, wrong port?" the port is right.. we changed cables, pc, etc. we tryed to scratch the vias points, puting the tray in various positions, etc and no luck

we are stuck! can somebody plz help?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 27, 2009, 06:19:00 AM

This thread is about...

Firmware >>>83850c<<<

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 27, 2009, 07:00:00 AM

QUOTE(maxusz @ Jun 26 2009, 06:27 AM)

That liteon and firmware drive you can get the key like all liteon drives if you have connectivity kit 3 or 360xtractor. Else you can't get the key and the other 3 files.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 27, 2009, 08:19:00 AM

QUOTE(DARKFiB3R @ Jun 27 2009, 01:19 PM)

This thread is about...

Firmware >>>83850c<<<

People might miss it, so I quoted it.

On a side note, its real, its very real.

A big thank you to the donator, you know who you are

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: kaizzen23 on June 27, 2009, 03:57:00 PM

Hey OggyUK,

Would be great to get an update on the situation from your team whenever possible.

Any initial findings?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: maggot555by666 on June 28, 2009, 11:54:00 AM

OggyUK the key is dumpable???

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 28, 2009, 02:00:00 PM

Yes we know that the new drive is real but still we don't know the way to dump and flash the drive.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 28, 2009, 03:32:00 PM

QUOTE(fitsman @ Jun 28 2009, 09:00 PM)

Yes we know that the new drive is real but still we don't know the way to dump and flash the drive.

When you find a way, could you tell me please?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on June 28, 2009, 04:29:00 PM

I mean the expert people not me.
This is the reason i say we and not i to me preview reply.

This post has been edited by fitsman: Jun 28 2009, 11:30 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 28, 2009, 05:04:00 PM

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jun 22 2009, 08:07 AM)

Hold on, I think the 83850C is merely bullshit as said by the poster above.

As I can recall getting an April 2009 74850C with A0A2 from warranty a few weeks ago.

And the new 2009 X360s are already March 2009 Lite-Ons with 74850C.

mm, I'll believe it when it lands in Oggy or the team's hands.

- Zoneout

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jun 23 2009, 07:41 AM)

QUOTE(DARKFiB3R @ Jun 23 2009, 11:00 PM)

Agreed, but I'm not sue that there is even 1 person in this thread that has actually had one. I'm positive that there are lots of cases of mistaken identity though.

QUOTE(fitsman @ Jun 28 2009, 09:00 PM)

Yes we know that the new drive is real but still we don't know the way to dump and flash the drive.

Based on the multiple quotes above, I dont think alot believed this drive was real at all, hence my post showing an image of the drive in my hands.

The key is NOT obtainable by usual methods, I shall persist to try things on the drive.

Flashing the drive is easy. Intro of Death, power cycle, MTK Intro, Write.

Id just rather get the key first

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on June 28, 2009, 09:06:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 29 2009, 09:04 AM)

lol, now I believe now

Hrm, is the chip on the drive any different, the PCB?

Would you be able to take a pic of it, for us to compare?

What I don't get, is this drive is March 2009, where other 74850C drives I get is already April or May 2009, would this mean this is just an odd / once off drive ie: Hitachi v59?

- Zoneout

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Dra60nSlayer on June 29, 2009, 04:35:00 AM

Just wanna remind everyone about http://www.360drives.com
There is today no 83850c recorded ...
when these drives hit the market, it would be nice to know how to avoid one

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: braza on June 29, 2009, 07:00:00 AM

Warning....

I found LITEON 83850C firmware on XBOX360 ARCADE model , manufactuer 2006/06/06 in JPAN !

The Key is not extracted !

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: murdock2577 on June 29, 2009, 09:54:00 AM

QUOTE(braza @ Jun 29 2009, 04:00 PM)

Warning....
I found LITEON 83850C firmware on XBOX360 ARCADE model , manufactuer 2006/06/06 in JPAN !

The Key is not extracted ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)

right... there werent using liteons back then... perhaps.. 2009/06/06

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on June 29, 2009, 04:46:00 PM

QUOTE(braza @ Jun 29 2009, 12:00 PM)

Warning....
I found LITEON 83850C firmware on XBOX360 ARCADE model , manufactuer 2006/06/06 in JPAN !

The Key is not extracted !

Refurb? Pics or it didn't happen

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xxpittbullxx on June 29, 2009, 07:03:00 PM

I got back a console today from the service center in Texas that had E74 prob. I was hoping to get the new Lite-on Fw:83850c to donate but to my surprise inside was a Ben-Q VAD6038 manufactured in Feb.08 WTF?

the console had a service date of 6-24-2009 ? but I have another one coming back next week so we will see what happens ill keep ya posted

xxpittbullxx

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: dsavage on June 29, 2009, 11:52:00 PM

well it's just as i thought, i really don't see why many thought this fw revision wasn't real ?

now since oggy confirmed they aren't dumpable atm, does anyone know where/what lots/dates these started appearing in ?

i woulld really like to avoid getting one, although i don't think anyone in the usa has bought a new arcade with this revision ? not sure.

hmmm any input would be appreciated.

tia.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: majinsoftware on June 30, 2009, 12:45:00 AM

Only coming with repaired consoles so far.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on June 30, 2009, 02:29:00 AM

Lies.

The one I have came from a retail 360, 60GB console.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Tron[ADS] on June 30, 2009, 06:09:00 AM

Mine was on a retail Arcade purchased from Littlewoods catalogue, with a build date of 28/04/2009

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: wawnord on June 30, 2009, 06:10:00 AM

QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Jun 30 2009, 08:45 AM)

Only coming with repaired consoles so far.

No , the German Drive came from "Media Markt" ( like bestbuy)

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: maggot555by666 on July 01, 2009, 02:24:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Jun 29 2009, 01:04 AM)

The key is NOT obtainable by usual methods, I shall persist to try things on the drive.

i hope in a software extraction of the key for this new drives

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on July 02, 2009, 02:19:00 AM

Seems Zellcorp has got his hands on yet another revision!

Any known differences between DG-16D2S - 83850C and DG-16D2S-09C - 83850C or are they just finally denoting the new firmware 83850C with a model number?

IPB Image

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on July 02, 2009, 07:22:00 AM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on July 02, 2009, 08:39:00 AM

Lol, the drive was from the MS repair center here in Australia, I'm getting a X360 back in a few days, which I believe will be the same drive.

Better chop-chop buying those X360s before the new drives flood the retail channels.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Bazdoctor on July 02, 2009, 09:15:00 AM

QUOTE(Zoneout @ Jul 3 2009, 12:39 AM)

How ironic, as down here we usually get everything last. Ha.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: CeNTauR2 on July 02, 2009, 01:51:00 PM

I don't think this is another revision but just a different sticker.
The MS Part number in the top right corner ends with -009, just like
the drives discovered a few weeks ago.

Oggy: is there any early observations your team can share with us?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: OggyUK on July 02, 2009, 04:41:00 PM

Yeah, I can state the obvious if you want

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: CeNTauR2 on July 03, 2009, 01:21:00 AM

Oggy: that won't be neccessary ... I thought maybe there is more info than just the fact that the key is not obtainable atm using the usual means.

Is the COM port of the MTK still activated in this firmware?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: xboxer360 on July 04, 2009, 02:33:00 AM

just got one back from repair center too, no luck dumping key, tried a spear and the led won't even light up. Sorry bout the confusion in the previous post, I just jumped to the conclusion that a0a2 meant 83850c, obviously I was wrong.
The one here now really is an 83850c though and no luck with it.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: fitsman on July 04, 2009, 05:32:00 AM

Still we don't know a way to dump-flash the new 83850c liteon drive?

This post has been edited by fitsman: Jul 4 2009, 12:32 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: omb on July 05, 2009, 10:58:00 PM

I just pulled one out of a refurb Pro model "DG-16D2S-09C - 83850C"

Just have to play the waiting game.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: zyo on July 06, 2009, 02:28:00 PM

got mine back as well
9c with 83850c
spear is not turning blue when pointed at the right place.

Possibly not gonna be able to mod anymore

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: syntaxerror329 on July 06, 2009, 02:40:00 PM

@ ZYO and OMB

Where are you located?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Vrtclhykr on July 06, 2009, 03:01:00 PM

Just got a RROD warranty in Canada back friday and it is still a 74850c

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: uN0pEn on July 06, 2009, 04:47:00 PM

Hi, have these hit the states yet? I would like to get my hands on a few of these.

Thanks.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Zoneout on July 06, 2009, 08:37:00 PM

QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Jul 7 2009, 06:40 AM)

@ ZYO and OMB

Where are you located?

Australia (OMB), ZYO not sure.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: tezza192 on July 09, 2009, 05:41:00 PM

An update on #fw

"Liteon 83850c workaround discovered Details to follow in a few weeks (work needed!) THX"

So shouldnt be long, no further details yet though so sit tight.

Tezza192

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: DARKFiB3R on July 09, 2009, 05:54:00 PM

Time to lock this thread?

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=688119

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Rad0x on July 11, 2009, 01:57:00 PM

I just picked up a PAL Xbox 360 Arcade with manufacturing date 2009-05-25 and the drive manufacturing date is May 2009. My drive has the old firmware version 74850C. The Xbox is made in China, bought in the Netherlands.

It's a 512MB Jasper, even though the box said 256MB..

This post has been edited by Rad0x: Jul 11 2009, 09:11 PM

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: mdjd on July 20, 2009, 03:38:00 PM

QUOTE(fitsman @ Jun 27 2009, 09:00 AM)

That liteon and firmware drive you can get the key like all liteon drives if you have connectivity kit 3 or 360xtractor. Else you can't get the key and the other 3 files.

Are you saying it is mandatory to have the CK3 kit or 360xtractor? This meaning I can't use a homemade key extractor with the LO drive? - Manu: March 2009 / HW VER: A0A2 / FW VER: 74850C

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: newboxflash on August 02, 2009, 10:53:00 AM

out of interest are these being sent back for RROD or DVD drive problems ??

M$ arent swopping perfect working drives when fixing the motherboard issues are they ?

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: Rentakopp on August 02, 2009, 09:05:00 PM

QUOTE(carlitoB @ Jun 10 2009, 01:58 AM)

can i just say that on the picture if you zoom in you can clearly see it is revision B3850C, B at start not 8. I notice that all around the web people are using the wrong code lol

Hey, that picture sucks. I actually have an xbox lot number 0922, with a liteon and looking at the drive itself it is an 8 not a B, there's no B in it. And I hope this drive becomes flashable soon... waited for a Jasper so long just to get one that I can't even flash! argh.

Title: Liteon V2? Dg-16d2s Fw:83850c
Post by: kniki123 on September 14, 2009, 07:14:00 AM

Hi,thanks for posting. By the way could anybody here help me where icould purchase this one. Been to computer shops lately and this item has been sold out. thanks!

Regards,
kniki123
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