Post by: Balls2420 on February 15, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: XLNC on February 16, 2009, 03:38:00 AM
If I heat the 360 by wrapping with a towel for 10 mins it will then work for a while before the artifacts start again so it seems to be related to the GPU.
Post by: Millerboy3 on February 16, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(XLNC @ Feb 16 2009, 06:14 AM) 
So I should go for the metal washers then?
If I heat the 360 by wrapping with a towel for 10 mins it will then work for a while before the artifacts start again so it seems to be related to the GPU.
stop doing the towel trick you are making it worse and risk fcking somethin else up in your 360. next it doesnt matter if you use nylon or metal. essentially they play the same role. the nylons really are just to isolate the metal as to not short anything out,,,
Post by: XLNC on February 17, 2009, 01:38:00 AM
I also plan to stick down credit card strips with double sided tape around the edges, but is this necessary for the CPU as well?
Post by: Turdbasket on February 17, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: mazzano4 on February 17, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
I got the ones with all metal washers,and the spring ones too and like i say i did mine and took me 3 hours
and only that long because i re- flowed them both. Trust me they have had some hammer ad still going strong.the issue is not between spring and nylon its between Nylon and normal metal ones,
the way i have read it is the spring ones are there for the cooling aspect
of things. and some sellers are saying the metal washers can short out the board.
as opposed to nylon which wont but will expand with the heat.saw a pic didnt look good anyway.
I will stay with the metal for now anyway and try the nylon when i buy another knackered one.
Key in whichever repair you do choose is THERMAL PASTE !!! simple as.
Post by: humboldt111502 on February 17, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
Also the lockwashers are not even being used correctly in this application and serve no purpose. They also do nothing as far as cooling goes.....steel sucks at transfering heat, so how they could they help cooling? According to the Nasa Fastener Design Manual, "The lockwasher serves as a spring while the bolt is being tightened. However, the washer is normally flat by the time the bolt is fully torqued. At this time it is equivalent to a solid flat washer, and its locking ability is nonexistent. In summary, a lockwasher of this type is useless for locking." I wouldn't believe what the sellers on ebay are saying until I did some of my own research.
The nylon washers are not my favorite either for a couple reasons. Almost every single one that I've measured is over 1mm thick. Another thing is that they can change in thickness over time due to various factors such as heat/pressure making them possibly thinner which I've seen, or else in a humid environment they can slowly absorb moisture and possibly swell over time. Click Here to read a report on "Relative Dimensional Change of Various Nylon Products Due to Moisture Absorption" that when referring to nylon products states "moisture absorption also affects change in part dimensions......the source of much concern to design engineers when contemplating material selection".
They are used more for things like tuning drums, where u need to be able to adjust the tightness easily, which also means they become loose earlier and need more readjusting. In other words, nylon washers are designed specifically to decrease the resistance during tightening, since the friction coefficient is significantly lower between metal-nylon than metal-metal. Nylon washers also start to get brittle over time and actually break right off....they always require frequent replacement, which wouldn't be practical for a "permanent" xbox fix. The copper surrounds on the 360 are fine when used with all metal washers as long as they do not extend out far enough to short anything. The outer diameter should be no larger than 10mm.
Post by: gee1977 on February 18, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: GeToChKn on February 18, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: dalvakio on June 04, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
anyway peace to all