Post by: xXvdubXx on June 03, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
We tried the following
- Checked for loose heat sinks
- Tightened screws for heat sinks
- Removed heat sinks and cleaned off all thermal paste
- Re-applied better thermal paste
- Used a seperate power block
Although we've made it run a little longer than before, which is now a couple minutes instead of a couple seconds, we still haven't arrived at the problem. We are completely baffled as to why we can't get it to stop overheating.
If in order for you to help me you need the error code, my error code was 0013.
Any help would be appreciated.
Post by: Chimp5000 on June 03, 2008, 09:55:00 PM
Scroll down until you find the error codes. It says 0013 is the "RAM overheating". Im not totally sure how to fix it, I don't think they should be over heating. But just incase, try adding small memory heatsinks to the chips and do the 12v mod to get things cooled down. You can pick up the memory chip heatsinks at a local radioshack or maybe staples.
Than again, i've never had a problem like this before, so my suggestions may do nothing at all.
This post has been edited by Chimp5000: Jun 4 2008, 04:56 AM
Post by: xXvdubXx on June 04, 2008, 10:31:00 AM
I don't think anything is actually overheating. My reasoning for this is because, when I got home from Graduation Rehearsal today, my dad and I proceeded back to my room to check my xbox again. He said just turn it on once and see what it does. So I used my remote to turn it on and it turned on for literally 2 seconds before "overheating" and flashing those 2 obnoxious red lights in my face. In my personal opinion, nothing on that motherboard can overheat that quickly. So what could be wrong?
Also, do you possibly think the eraser trick would help at all? My dad found it online and asked about it and seeing as i've never heard of it I figured i'd ask here.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on June 04, 2008, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jun 4 2008, 07:07 PM) 
just one quick update-
I don't think anything is actually overheating. My reasoning for this is because, when I got home from Graduation Rehearsal today, my dad and I proceeded back to my room to check my xbox again. He said just turn it on once and see what it does. So I used my remote to turn it on and it turned on for literally 2 seconds before "overheating" and flashing those 2 obnoxious red lights in my face. In my personal opinion, nothing on that motherboard can overheat that quickly. So what could be wrong?
Also, do you possibly think the eraser trick would help at all? My dad found it online and asked about it and seeing as i've never heard of it I figured i'd ask here.
Well I dont think that the RAM can overheat so quickly.
Search on this board there was a guy who experienced and solved this error like 3 months ago.
I guess he heatgunned his board but I am not too sure...
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jun 4 2008, 06:23 PM
Post by: xXvdubXx on June 17, 2008, 11:31:00 PM
My dad and I just did what you said and we heat gunned it and messed around with my power supply (which broke shortly after I posted originally) and now I have hours of gameplay without any disturbance thus far. Thanks for the help.
Post by: xXvdubXx on June 27, 2008, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on June 28, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jun 28 2008, 04:14 AM) 
Ok, well if you remember me saying problem solved, I lied. It's been a week and 2 days and it broke again on wednesday so it only lasted for about a week, which seems longer than that, but in fact was only a week. I am going on vacation this weekend and we are going to try it again only maybe keep it on there longer and see what happens and if it just breaks after another week i will know it is futile and stop fixing it and bring it over to my friends house and shoot it with a .50 Caliber
LOL
Which errorcode does it show now?
If it is still the 0013 you didnt reflow it properly, follow my heatgun tutorial, preheat it on step one for 1 minute and then heatgun it on the 2nd step for another 4 minutes.
Do it for both sides.
Just read my tutorial it is all written clearly in there.
If you decide to shoot it take some pictures would be nice as a wallpaper or something
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 06, 2008, 07:28:00 PM
Now this is kind of interesting, so lets start from when I posted last.
When I had posted last, I said that my xbox had broken again and that I probably needed to re-heat gun it, however I was leaving for vacation the following morning and decided to do it over vacation. This all seemed like a good plan so that night I packed up all my xbox stuff and got it prepared to go. Left on saturday got to the hotel, left on sunday morning arrived to beach house for sunday afternoon. I went upstairs after coming back from the beach, eh, around 6 p.m (EST) hooked up my box just to try it out and blam, it worked? What it worked? Yeah, I was baffled as well. It worked for about 3 days then for some reason it did it's "overheating" thing again. So, the following day my dad and I ripped it open and proceeded to heat it again. (We did it a little bit better this time, more like the tutorial but not exactly) We finished and left it in the metal pan case and it worked like a charm for about 2 days. Then it broke again.
This is where we are now.
My dad and I decided we'll open it up again but we won't heat it right away, instead we are going to do the x-clamp replacement mod first, and get rid of those damned x-clamps. Then we'll heat it up again and see if it runs, then run it without the fans installed and wait for it to overheat the real way and then put everything back together and see what happens.
Think that'll work?
Post by: brandogg on July 06, 2008, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 07, 2008, 05:24:00 AM
QUOTE(brandogg @ Jul 7 2008, 06:34 AM)
Terrible idea. Open the system, remove the heatsink(s), and remove the thermal paste. Heat gun the board (as per the many tutorials available - Wilhelm and jimwross have this covered) properly, and let it completely cool down. Reapply fresh thermal paste (AS5 is best of course), *THEN* replace the X-Clamps with the proper hardware. Tighten the heatsinks down good and snug, without causing the motherboard to flex, make sure your fans are plugged in, and put that piece of shit back together. Do *NOT* run your system without the fans, that will basically destroy everything you did with the heat gun.
Yes thats the basic procedure you kind of have to replace the X Clamps and only tighten them up snug without flexing the mainboard as brandogg said...
if you use the X Clamps after that the mainboard is still flexing and it is just a matter of time until the solder balls become loose again...
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 09, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
And Also, I assume now that I should NOT rescrew in the heat sink screws, seeing as there is nothing to screw into...
Post by: ph0neman on July 09, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
good luck sounds like you and dad about it fixed
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 09, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
If that is too vivid then:
After screwing the heatsinks down with the x-clamp replacement tutorial, and after placing the MOBO down into the metal 360 case, the ports to plug in USB/Ethernet, A/V Cables, and Power Cable are moved up slightly so the cables won't go in smoothly. I have to push down on the input port on the motherboard to make the port accessible to the external cable.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 09, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 10 2008, 12:35 AM)
Yeah, I mean I did the heat sink x-clamp fix but I mean when you are putting it back together. By putting the silver screws that hold the mobo to the steel case pull the mobo down so I can plug everything in or what?
If that is too vivid then:
After screwing the heatsinks down with the x-clamp replacement tutorial, and after placing the MOBO down into the metal 360 case, the ports to plug in USB/Ethernet, A/V Cables, and Power Cable are moved up slightly so the cables won't go in smoothly. I have to push down on the input port on the motherboard to make the port accessible to the external cable.
Mate your 360 will break very soon again if you do it like that.
The board is flexing bad it is taken under pressure by the 6 long case screws already.
You will have to disassemble it again and either get rid of the washers in between mainboard and the head of the screw...
Another solution would be to drill holes in the metal case so that the heads of the screws fit through...
If you leave it like that the 360 will ROD very soon again and the error code can be a really bad one since you are flexing the whole mainboard not just the small area under the GPU...
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 11, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 16, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
The inputs of all the cables, USB, A/V, and power are about a 16th - 8th of an inch off so all it takes is like a little nudge to put the cables in. Does this matter if I screw the case back in? Will it effect the board so much that it will break again? If it isn't that bad then I'll put it back together for about a week then i'll order my case mod.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 17, 2008, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 17 2008, 04:29 AM)
ok, well it has been 2 week this coming monday. I haven't even so much as frozen. The only thing that concerns me is the size of these washers. My dad says he doesn't think that it is that much of a deal.
The inputs of all the cables, USB, A/V, and power are about a 16th - 8th of an inch off so all it takes is like a little nudge to put the cables in. Does this matter if I screw the case back in? Will it effect the board so much that it will break again? If it isn't that bad then I'll put it back together for about a week then i'll order my case mod.
The board will bend then and this will cause it to break in no time again...
drill big holes through the metal case for the screws to fit through or get rid of the washer
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 17, 2008, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 18, 2008, 04:02:00 AM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 18 2008, 07:08 AM)
would filing the head of the bolt down work too, just so I don't have to have big holes in the metal case? The screwdriver will still fit and work, it will just have a more filed down head. If that is a bad idea just let me know and we'll drill.
This is a bad idea since it will become uneven and you will have uneven pressure on each of the 4 corners...
Just get a big drill or get rid of the washers under the mainboard...
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 18, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 19, 2008, 06:18:00 AM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Jul 19 2008, 04:50 AM)
so the washers don't matter?
They have the function to split up the pressure so that the load of the screw is shared up to the whole area.
It also works without them though just dont overtighten the screws or it might break the mainboard as well(still not even nearly as bad as the bending caused if you use them).
The best choice is to drill the holes though...
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 19, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 20, 2008, 12:24:00 PM
Post by: michael196 on July 20, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
when I unscrew it a bit, it turns on and gives me the 3rlod
with error code 0001- power problem if I remember, and other time some error with 0031 or something like that but it says on the guide that its unknow, probably overheating.
I havent tried heatgunning it just yet, dont know if it would help, and I also wouldnt mind to have a link to the tutorial anyway.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 21, 2008, 03:48:00 AM
It must have some contact as it lasts 60 seconds.(otherwise it would be like 2 seconds)
I guess you applied the thermal compound properly and spread it out evenly, size of a rice grain etc. so I dont expect that you did this wrong...
Also check the secondary error code it might be 0013 which is RAM overheating and can be caused by cold solder joint under the RAM...
*EDIT*
@ michael196:
You will have a bad solder joint under the chip then(error code 0020?)
if it is 0001 it can be every thing though, check your board for metal chipping and also make sure that you are using washers because the GPU heatsink shorts out a component and causes 0001 if you screw it in without washers...
Let me know if this worked...
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 21 2008, 10:51 AM
Post by: michael196 on July 22, 2008, 12:54:00 AM
oh yea, btw, I havent glued them, is it really neccesery?, neither I have heatgunned or overheated it while its on 3rlod.
Post by: michael196 on July 22, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
btw, I still havent applied AS5, and have screwed the screw really snug.
Thanks
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 22, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 22 2008, 05:40 PM)
sorry about the double post, (dont know how to edit),I did the x-clamp fix again, this time with the overheating, and keep getting 0020, which is unknown, probably overheating....
btw, I still havent applied AS5, and have screwed the screw really snug.
Thanks
lol
You havent used AS5?
No wonder it is overheating mate.
Apply AS5 otherwise it will always overheat...
*EDIT*
And 0020 is a short in the CPU/GPU/RAM area and not overheating...
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 22 2008, 08:18 PM
Post by: michael196 on July 22, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
now I just turn it on and it gives the 3rlod, and the code is 0020 ( in the pinned guide it says unknown/overheating), sometimes if I loose the screws a bit, it gives 0001, but im sure my power brick is right.
btw, if I loose the screws even more, the console starts and then gives 2 rlod after a few secs, maybe because there is no AS5?
dunno, oh yea, btw again, lol, do I have to use AS5, or any glue will do?
Thanks
This post has been edited by michael196: Jul 22 2008, 09:51 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 22, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:25 PM)
dunno, oh yea, btw again, lol, do I have to use AS5, or any glue will do?
First of all you dont "glue" the heatsinks to the chip this would be a pretty stupid idea.
If you meant that you want to apply thermal compound I am taking back what I just said...
WIthout using thermal compound(like AS5) your 360 will overheat after a minute or so since the heat cant be transfered properly to the heatsinks.
It is quite hard to believe that it is running at all as the CPU overheats immediately if you dont replace it with new...
So go clean the chip dies to a mirror finish like shown in all the tutorials.
Then add thermal compound of the size of a rice grain(AS5 or something similar) and spread it out evenly with a credit card, the finer the layer the better it transfers the heat...
After that report which errors you get then...
Just to your information:
0001 is a short probably caused by the heatsink that shorts out, it might also just be overwritten by the 0020 so this must not be the only reason check for stuff that might short other components out
0020 -> read my first post
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 22 2008, 10:16 PM
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 22, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
My dad and I, after Sunday's failure, decided that we were going to do things differently. We took it all apart, cleaned off the heat sinks and the dies, we heated the board according to probably every single tutorial known to man, reapplied arctic silver, removed the 2 washers on the bottom of the board, put the heat sinks back on, reassembled and re-tried. It took it all but, literally, 5 seconds to overheat.
Excuse this but these were my dad's exact words, "Something is fucked up."
We took it apart, did it again, and got the same result. I don't know what we could have possibly done differently other than take out the bottom washers. But he is going to get me a new one for my birthday which is on thursday so we are going to run train on this one unless you have any last ideas on how to save it.
Post by: Havok on July 22, 2008, 10:23:00 PM
I'm sorry I honestly don't mean to make fun of your troubles.. I've been there myself. Even when you get the problem fixed it would probably only be temporary. Mine lasted another 3 months before dying.
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 22, 2008, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: michael196 on July 23, 2008, 12:19:00 AM
oh btw, the falcon chipset is the elite 360?
Thamks
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 23, 2008, 05:51:00 AM
Am really looking forward to your video lol, put it on youtube or so and send [email protected] an email with the link^^
QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 23 2008, 08:55 AM)
@Wilhelm_I, I will try doing what you said and report back here.
oh btw, the falcon chipset is the elite 360?
Thamks
The Falcon chipset is in all recent 360s(Arcade, Premium and Elite)
The only thing that matters is the date(later than sept 2007) an the Lot-Nr(higher than 0734)
Falcons still ROD though if you want some hope that your 360 will last forever you should wait for the Jasper which will have the new 65nm GPU...(according to rumors it is coming in Aug/Sept I guess?)
I doubt that this one will be fixed though because the mainboard will still be flexing unless they finally decided to get rid of the X-Clamps
Post by: bosnia_9 on July 23, 2008, 09:09:00 AM
i had that too, once i adjusted the washer setup/screw tightness it all runs fine.. lol if I was you i'd sell that xbox cause I KNOW someone is going to buy it and fix it up and make money of it!
but if youd rather trash it and have money to throw away go right to it my friend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: xXvdubXx on July 23, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: bosnia_9 on July 23, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
on the smashing thenMan ohh man if you said you had it working for 2 hours your seriously soo close its unreal.. when i got my xbox i did everything got the 2 red lights instantly wouldnt even last 5seconds..
so i did mess around with screws, washers and xbox runs solid now
if i was you id keep messing with it cause im sure you could get it going
Post by: michael196 on July 23, 2008, 12:20:00 PM
today I was at the mall and went to ask about the elite 360, good thing you told me the arcade also has the falcon chipset, I might get that instead, though, I doubt it, ill probably get elite if I cant get this one going.
just need to remember to check the version.
btw, if I will end up selling it, what will be better sell part by part, or the whole box itself?
Thanks
Post by: bosnia_9 on July 23, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
QUOTE(michael196 @ Jul 23 2008, 02:56 PM)
Alright then, ill keep messing with that, you think it will also work without AS5?
today I was at the mall and went to ask about the elite 360, good thing you told me the arcade also has the falcon chipset, I might get that instead, though, I doubt it, ill probably get elite if I cant get this one going.
just need to remember to check the version.
btw, if I will end up selling it, what will be better sell part by part, or the whole box itself?
Thanks
Lol even think about trying it without AS5 thats a big NO NO!!
Some sort of thermal compound is a MUST to transfer the heat
for selling id, if its broke i think part by part is better to be honest with you, i see you getting more, depend on the drive on its own you can get anywhere between 40-70$. plus cables, the actual case, and then the motherboard on its own is worth prob around 50$ id say. plus you got the fanshroud some ppl are in desperate need of
best of luck!
Post by: michael196 on July 23, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
I will try it with AS5, is it goes, GREAT.
if not, then ill sell for parts (oh and with broke you mean 3RLOD?)
Thanks
Post by: michael196 on August 09, 2008, 04:25:00 AM
I got AS5, put it on the gpu and cpu, screwed everything really tight, and it didnt work (0020).
then I let the screws a bit loose, still no go...
but then, I let it loose even more and voila!!! it works
played most wanted demo so far - 1 race, thats what I had handy.
so yea, you do have to use AS5 in order to succeed with the x-clamp fix, and not tight the screws too hard.
Thanks everyone who have helped and thanks to the great people who wrote all the tutorials.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 09, 2008, 04:40:00 AM
The thermal compound you use doesnt matter that much, the better it conducts the heat the cooler the chip will be in the end yo you have to decide if you need AS5 or not.
It is worth the money though imo, you can do like 20 360s with 1 tube thats like 20 cents for each..
Post by: michael196 on August 09, 2008, 07:45:00 AM
yea, and it does worth the money.
also, if I was just smart enough to update my firmware in time... I have really old one. does it worth updaing now that im banned?
If I could just access Live, eh, too bad you cant unban yourself.
Thanks
This post has been edited by michael196: Aug 9 2008, 02:48 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 10, 2008, 02:11:00 AM
QUOTE(michael196 @ Aug 9 2008, 04:21 PM)
I see, I just heared AS5 is the best, that why I used it.
yea, and it does worth the money.
also, if I was just smart enough to update my firmware in time... I have really old one. does it worth updaing now that im banned?
If I could just access Live, eh, too bad you cant unban yourself.
Thanks
You can but you will need the key vault of another 360...
Post by: xXvdubXx on August 29, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 29, 2008, 05:30:00 PM
QUOTE(xXvdubXx @ Aug 30 2008, 01:50 AM)
not to bring up an almost dead, if not already dead topic, but I would have posted pictures and video a long time ago of us killing my xbox but the day we were going to do it, like an hour before we went to do it, I told my dad lets try one more thing. We changed up how many of the washers we put on and i've gotten i think about 5 days out of it as of now. So, one day if it ever just gives out then I will get to shooting and videotaping it.
Nar dont worry about that, be happy that the thing is working for now, it was quite being a bitch.
Congrats...
Maybe you scared it lol
Post by: xXvdubXx on August 29, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 29 2008, 08:06 PM)
Maybe you scared it lol
I like to think so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I'll update in a few days
--
As an added bonus they fixed the glitch in Ninja Gaiden 2 so now I can finally finish the game without clearing my Cache!
This post has been edited by xXvdubXx: Aug 30 2008, 12:56 AM
Post by: xXvdubXx on March 06, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0b7PVdOo4
no one was injured other than the xbox.
oh and ps. it is just a crappy edit but it works. I wasn't looking for fancy
This post has been edited by xXvdubXx: Mar 6 2009, 07:07 PM
Post by: Chickan on March 23, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: ThatOneBro on August 17, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
a: Bridged a connection or have a cold solder joint on the RAM chips. Possible to fix by properly reflowing. I'd recommend using a heat gun or an oven reflow at that, that is, if you can't get someone with a BGA workstation to reflow it. Just remember to strip the mobo of everything and remove the thermal paste before reflow. I don't recommend unplugging the fans or using the towel trick. These methods work sometimes but you can end up hurting your 360 as it's not that controlled with all the factors that play into it.
or
b: In the process of removing the X-clamps or putting on the heatsinks, you may have damaged some circuit traces (the little lines on the board) between the GPU and RAM chips. Check the board between the two components and make sure there are no deep to medium depth scratches on the board, especially those with copper exposed. Even a tiny scratch can do great damage to those traces. If you do have damaged traces, follow this tutorial to repair them: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=684774
Hope that helps.
ThatOneBro
Post by: MadMaxGR on August 18, 2011, 12:53:00 AM
Post by: herman69 on August 18, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(MadMaxGR @ Aug 18 2011, 07:53 AM)
.... or..... your "reflow" didn't work and you need proper full professional reflow and/or reball.
^^^^
THIS!