Post by: Xbox-Scene on May 17, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
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Post by: pif001 on May 17, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
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Post by: iateshaggy on May 17, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: valkirie on May 17, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on May 17, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
So we will need a new tool for 0225? (it said modders kit)
Good news for USBPRO owners.
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Post by: 360360 on May 18, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
this will be another product for c4eva/xecuter to rape anyone wanting to flash there drive
then as soon as another drive comes out they will offer you the write solution with out the modders kit or what ever they rape you with.
Post by: danthaman673 on May 18, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
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[k3rn3l] its 1 mod per drive tho (before you cheap ass installers try to rape as much cash out of this as you can) 
Damm, I was really hoping to charge for 2mods per drive ;-) and rape as much cash as I can out of it! (Just like my heros the X-men ;-p )
Just jokes folks!
I hear there will be more mods released for '0225 Write solution' a little while after....
Either way, can't wait thankyou all my friends for your tireless work, whether your motivation is outright $$$ or the love of the mod-scene, I still respect and appreciate your contributions (even if I get upset now and again at state of it)
I hope the free mod doesn't involve de-capping lol, I'm sure it won't .....
Brgds/Dan
Post by: waddy77 on May 18, 2011, 04:48:00 AM
why cant we make good use of this as in use a Jtag xbox for flashing
To me it makes scense if Microshaft can use the xbox hardware to do the flashing why cant we.
Then every drive would have a software hack
This is just my opintion i have no idea about programing ect so flame away hehehe
BTW i am no jtag fanboy i dont think i have used my jtag in a year!!!
This post has been edited by waddy77: May 18 2011, 11:53 AM
Post by: ddsdavey on May 18, 2011, 07:24:00 AM
QUOTE(waddy77 @ May 18 2011, 11:48 AM) 
If the new dash update is able to flash all the drives for the new disk format.
why cant we make good use of this as in use a Jtag xbox for flashing
To me it makes scense if Microshaft can use the xbox hardware to do the flashing why cant we.
Then every drive would have a software hack
This is just my opintion i have no idea about programing ect so flame away hehehe
BTW i am no jtag fanboy i dont think i have used my jtag in a year!!!
Why do we need a Jtag to flash a system.Why not just reflash it with the inevitable new JF revision the same way we always have.
"Jtag Fanboy",where they do that at?!
Post by: justathief on May 18, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(waddy77 @ May 18 2011, 12:48 PM)
If the new dash update is able to flash all the drives for the new disk format.
why cant we make good use of this as in use a Jtag xbox for flashing
To me it makes scense if Microshaft can use the xbox hardware to do the flashing why cant we.
Then every drive would have a software hack
This is just my opintion i have no idea about programing ect so flame away hehehe
BTW i am no jtag fanboy i dont think i have used my jtag in a year!!!
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it looks like Microsoft are able to do more stuff to the 360 than the hackers...
Do you really think they would release an update without making sure that it's very hard to exploit it?
Post by: lrod2344 on May 18, 2011, 08:57:00 AM
QUOTE(waddy77 @ May 18 2011, 11:48 AM)
If the new dash update is able to flash all the drives for the new disk format.
why cant we make good use of this as in use a Jtag xbox for flashing
To me it makes scense if Microshaft can use the xbox hardware to do the flashing why cant we.
Then every drive would have a software hack
This is just my opintion i have no idea about programing ect so flame away hehehe
BTW i am no jtag fanboy i dont think i have used my jtag in a year!!!
I absolutely agree.... Ive always been under the impression that MS could and WOULD one day start to flash drives using dash updates.... Im wondering though does the dash read the key from the drive before flashing or does it somehow read the CPU key and serial info and build the new original firmware on the fly? I have a console that was brought to me to fix because it wasnt "reading any discs" the customer neglected to tell me that he tried to flash the drive and botched the job and never saved the key so the console is useless... well it can connect to live and stream movies from netflix and such but will never be able to play any games.... but if the new dash builds FW on the fly then maybe this console will be brought back to life even if the key cant be read after the fw flash by ms at the very least it MIGHT still be a working console.... who knows maybe MS stole some or ALL of jf abilities and then incorporated THAt into the new dash... wouldnt be the first time.... oh well Its worth a try as the console is useless in its present state and didnt cost me anything anyway..... I will report back tomorrow after I update to the new dash.
Post by: Ranger72 on May 18, 2011, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(lrod2344 @ May 18 2011, 10:57 AM)
I absolutely agree.... Ive always been under the impression that MS could and WOULD one day start to flash drives using dash updates.... Im wondering though does the dash read the key from the drive before flashing or does it somehow read the CPU key and serial info and build the new original firmware on the fly? I have a console that was brought to me to fix because it wasnt "reading any discs" the customer neglected to tell me that he tried to flash the drive and botched the job and never saved the key so the console is useless... well it can connect to live and stream movies from netflix and such but will never be able to play any games.... but if the new dash builds FW on the fly then maybe this console will be brought back to life even if the key cant be read after the fw flash by ms at the very least it MIGHT still be a working console.... who knows maybe MS stole some or ALL of jf abilities and then incorporated THAt into the new dash... wouldnt be the first time.... oh well Its worth a try as the console is useless in its present state and didnt cost me anything anyway..... I will report back tomorrow after I update to the new dash.
You would be a good candidate to read the FAQ.
Post by: pagla07 on May 18, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
QUOTE(waddy77 @ May 18 2011, 04:48 PM) 
If the new dash update is able to flash all the drives for the new disk format.
why cant we make good use of this as in use a Jtag xbox for flashing
To me it makes scense if Microshaft can use the xbox hardware to do the flashing why cant we.
Then every drive would have a software hack
This is just my opintion i have no idea about programing ect so flame away hehehe
BTW i am no jtag fanboy i dont think i have used my jtag in a year!!!
patients my friend... its pretty obvious that a dash flashing exploit is inevitable.... but its probably gonna take a while for the modding community to get it done...
Post by: Reaper527 on May 18, 2011, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ May 18 2011, 03:56 AM)
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[k3rn3l] its 1 mod per drive tho (before you cheap ass installers try to rape as much cash out of this as you can) wink.gif
Damm, I was really hoping to charge for 2mods per drive ;-) and rape as much cash as I can out of it! (Just like my heros the X-men ;-p )
joking aside, my take on what he meant by that is that there isn't a solution to write the chip holding the firmware, and what happens is that we are putting a second chip on the drive that is writable, and forcing the drive to load its firmware from there instead (meaning that you can't install the device, flash the firmware, remove the device and reuse it on another drive)
this is just speculation on my part based on how i read the quote, i could be completely wrong.
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Im wondering though does the dash read the key from the drive before flashing or does it somehow read the CPU key and serial info and build the new original firmware on the fly?
from what i've read, both. there are reports that if your dvd drive has the wrong key, the dash won't update your firmware. this in turn means that it needs to have the key from both locations to know if there is a match.
Post by: col12 on May 18, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
http://www.eurogamer...cement-xbox-360
Post by: shtewps on May 18, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: ddsdavey on May 18, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(justathief @ May 18 2011, 03:04 PM)
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it looks like Microsoft are able to do more stuff to the 360 than the hackers...
Do you really think they would release an update without making sure that it's very hard to exploit it?
Its already done mate?
We already have methods to rewrite the flashed stock.
And frankly imo they dont care if we get round it,i think LTplus works to damn well and i think they will be happy to at least get backups detected again which is inevitable in the short term ate least,considering the measures needed for the new image sizes etc.
They know full well what the hackers are capable of,they are merely stirring up the pot imo.
Post by: WizardlyLou on May 18, 2011, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on May 18, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: ddxcb on May 18, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ May 18 2011, 10:27 AM)
if your xbox can not read the new xgd3 ms will swap it for a 360s with 250 hdd
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-...cement-xbox-360
That just means something happend when his xbox was being flashed/updated.
Post by: WizardlyLou on May 18, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
QUOTE(WizardlyLou @ May 18 2011, 03:00 PM)
The roll out is supposed to go on over the course of a week. I guess tomorrow we will start to find out if its safe to update or not. Or has it already been confirmed that a new FW will in fact be needed?
Thanks. Wasn't sure if it was a definite or not. I'm sure at this point we can all expect to have to update FW twice a year with spring and fall update. Its a small price to pay that I find well worth it.
Post by: lrod2344 on May 18, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ May 18 2011, 04:45 PM)
That was actually pretty helpful..... being a longtime member of this site I have no excuse for my insolence and thus will take my 50 lashings now.
Post by: Ranger72 on May 18, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(lrod2344 @ May 18 2011, 05:34 PM)
That was actually pretty helpful..... being a longtime member of this site I have no excuse for my insolence and thus will take my 50 lashings now.
It is not just you. There are a lot of people here that should know the basics if only they had read the faq in the first place.
Post by: danthaman673 on May 18, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ May 19 2011, 01:57 AM)
joking aside, my take on what he meant by that is that there isn't a solution to write the chip holding the firmware, and what happens is that we are putting a second chip on the drive that is writable, and forcing the drive to load its firmware from there instead (meaning that you can't install the device, flash the firmware, remove the device and reuse it on another drive)
this is just speculation on my part based on how i read the quote, i could be completely wrong.
from what i've read, both. there are reports that if your dvd drive has the wrong key, the dash won't update your firmware. this in turn means that it needs to have the key from both locations to know if there is a match.
The WP is on the MTL chip from what I hear which means pre-programing (what a pain) Not to mention the HW side
I'm extremely confident that there will be an easier way (Just not perhaps for a little while - The practices of one group has put others of sharing some of the new stuff, It's the old 'catch $$'/double edged sword... necessary evil an all that')
My guess is there might be a way similar to PMT, to either drop the WP low or somehow isolate (or make it appear low) OR A new MTL (chip transfer from another liteon of same foot-print eg; 9xxx) OR They found the CDB command and figured out the context perhaps? Couple of scenarios and just because they have found one way doesn't mean that it would be universally beneficial to put it out there straight away.... I guess... anywayz just some speculation for ya's (Decided to pick it up and run with it ;-) There's SPI exploits maybe also... Like I said pure speculation......You all know I love too!
Btw, to all those I thought the mobo would need to extract the key from the drive: Thanx fer the lolz (Don't beat urself up, I've made much sillier assumptions etc.. Sleep Deprivation will do it every time ;-)
Brgds/Dan
Post by: courier on May 19, 2011, 12:43:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ May 19 2011, 06:50 AM)
The WP is on the MTL chip from what I hear which means pre-programing (what a pain) Not to mention the HW side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
I'm extremely confident that there will be an easier way (Just not perhaps for a little while - The practices of one group has put others of sharing some of the new stuff, It's the old 'catch $$'/double edged sword... necessary evil an all that')
My guess is there might be a way similar to PMT, to either drop the WP low or somehow isolate (or make it appear low) OR A new MTL (chip transfer from another liteon of same foot-print eg; 9xxx) OR They found the CDB command and figured out the context perhaps? Couple of scenarios and just because they have found one way doesn't mean that it would be universally beneficial to put it out there straight away.... I guess... anywayz just some speculation for ya's (Decided to pick it up and run with it ;-) There's SPI exploits maybe also... Like I said pure speculation......You all know I love too!
Btw, to all those I thought the mobo would need to extract the key from the drive: Thanx fer the lolz (Don't beat urself up, I've made much sillier assumptions etc.. Sleep Deprivation will do it every time ;-)
Brgds/Dan
Actuall no way you need cut #WP bonding whire ..... is linked internal to gnd that's all
Post by: Sany92 on July 19, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
This works the same way and with the 0225 and 0401
Post by: iateshaggy on July 19, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: dragoscojan on July 19, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Sany92 @ Jul 20 2011, 01:15 AM)
Slim Unlock 0272 from Russian Hackers
This works the same way and with the 0225 and 0401
say what?are they using a WP 0272 (flashed by 2.0.14599 dash) or a WE 0272 (2.0.13416 dash)?
this would be great news if somebody discovered a write method for the write protected dvd drives.
Post by: Sany92 on July 20, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
http://hackfaq.net/main/lt/
While you can certainly say that the chips with flash MXIC / Maxtronic successfully amenable to this "unlock". Winbond also resists, try, maybe you'll get.