Post by: xorange on February 24, 2004, 06:45:00 AM
arranged to form several "buildings", bridges etc.
Standard weapons and equipment are distributed
throughout the level.
Download the mod at halomods.com
Here are some images to give you an idea of what the mod is like
(Thanks for the pics ZeldaFreak!)
(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_01.jpg)(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_02.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_03.jpg)(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_04.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_05.jpg)(IMG:http://www.halofiles.org/sa1/sa1_06.jpg)
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 24, 2004, 06:33:00 AM
Post by: CraSH23 on February 24, 2004, 07:46:00 AM
Please help me not be bound to BG scenery's!! :blink:
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 24, 2004, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: discworld on February 24, 2004, 08:27:00 AM
absoloutly amazing job!!
Please tell us how you did this!
And well done!
Discworld... (and just for repition...) !
Post by: xorange on February 24, 2004, 08:28:00 AM
...and you can feel free to deconstruct my structures and make things out of the panels.
Every part of the panels used to be the log (tree_leafy_fallentrunk), including the collision model.
Within the collision model meta there are vertices, which I changed so that the collision model would be 5x longer along the Y axis. There are also a couple other numbers that I had to change in the collision model meta to get it to stretch to that size.
If you want to see what I did just use HMTv3 to extract the collision model meta for the tree_leafy_fallentrunk (from a clean cache file) & the collision model meta for the panel_sm_thick_metal (from a cache with my mod applied).
Then you can open them both up in a hex editor and compare them to see what I changed.
I recommend Hex Workshop because it actually has a "Compare" function.
Post by: FunkmaztafoX on February 24, 2004, 07:27:00 AM
Post by: UberJim on February 24, 2004, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: xorange on February 24, 2004, 09:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (UberJim @ Feb 24 2004, 05:59 PM) |
| How hard would it be to make a single platfrom that can cover the entire map? That way you could have a flat surface to start a new level from. |
That's one of my goals, but I just don't understand enough about the collision models yet to be able to do that.
For some reason I am unable to stretch the collision model past a certain point and I haven't yet figured out how to get past that limitation.
Post by: unsc1 on February 24, 2004, 09:48:00 AM
either way its tight
This post has been edited by unsc1 on Feb 24 2004, 05:50 PM
Post by: dizturbd on February 24, 2004, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: UberJim on February 24, 2004, 09:59:00 AM
What about working with something other than the log? Doesn't the Oversheild have a cube colision model? If that just has 8 vertices than it seems like you could make some good platforms with it.
Post by: AdmiralPellaeon on February 24, 2004, 10:09:00 AM
If I was more ambitious I would block off an area in sidewinder and make the bunker from goldeneye or something, but Im sure that would take a long time :rolleyes:
or with the rail gun make some perfect dark maps
hmm easier to break out the 64 nevermind
Post by: The Swamp Fox on February 24, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
if i can make my railgun shoot thru walls, these mods will compliment each other perfectly!
Post by: enixn on February 24, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: TheNut on February 24, 2004, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: FunkmaztafoX on February 24, 2004, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: FunkmaztafoX on February 24, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| The fog has been added for clipping and is necessary to reduce lag. Sorry. |
i'm gonna try that other method you mentioned to reduce it..
Post by: FunkmaztafoX on February 24, 2004, 12:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (FunkmaztafoX Jan 10 2004 @ 09:49 PM ) |
| If you can do this (add things to maps), what's to stop you from adding objects in other maps, like bridges in SW, and teleports in HH? |
source from http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1039494
AM I A PROPHET OR WHAT?!?!
anywho, go get'em xorange.
Post by: fezzman on February 24, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: unsc1 on February 24, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
did you take it down?
Post by: pimp on February 24, 2004, 04:00:00 PM
keep it up
~P1[M]p¥~
Post by: squeek on February 24, 2004, 05:54:00 PM
or could u just make a storage unit in damnation flat using 3dsm and apply the coll model to it??
Post by: pimp on February 24, 2004, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: $eEnN|i on February 24, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 24, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
Like doom
Post by: xboxdudeman on February 24, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: blaze_1ne on February 24, 2004, 10:10:00 PM
can anyone help a brother out and post another link to this wonderful mod?
Post by: notsodiseased on February 25, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
played some 4 v 4 ctf last night on xbc with my rival clan and man it was awesome
now if your holding the flag in the truck and waiting for your teamates to recover the home flag youve finally got something to do and places to go
very impressed,,despite the holes in t he corners like pimpy mentioned. nice sniper perches, weapon placement,and screw what they say keep the fog.
if you dont mind im gonna make some skin and tex changes for myself.
now if i could make it nighttime and get the sniper rifles nightvision to work we'd be in business
2 request and ill be satisfied, rework the fort beind blue base like the one behind red and make the flags spawn in there so we could finally use red and blue bases like the tiny unfortified outposts they are
Post by: MrMurder on February 25, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 25, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: MrMurder on February 25, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: Zero_Cool on February 25, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
Post by: Comcipher on February 25, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
Post by: XBOX War3z on February 25, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
for anybody who can't download it:
Scenery Achitecture 1 - Structures by xorange (RAR, 911KB)
Post by: blaze_1ne on February 25, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: pimp on February 25, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: corin415 on February 25, 2004, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: pimp on February 25, 2004, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: h4xx3d on February 25, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: xorange on February 25, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
I'm really happy so many people like my mod!
There's are so many replies, and it would be really difficult to reply to everyone individually, so I hope you don't think it's impersonal, but I'm going to just try to address everyone right here, right now.
As I said before, the "panels" used to be the log, which is tree_leafy_fallentunk.
I just renamed everything so that it would be all "authentic".
I used the scenery, model, collision model & appropriate bitmaps.
(I used Milkshape3D to modify the model & Photoshop for the textures.)
Here's the deal with the collision model....
I have limited knowledge of the collision models and it took me quite a bit of research and experimentation to get to the point I'm at.
I have not yet been able to modify this much more than I already have,but I am still working on it.
(I recommend extracting the "panel" collision model meta and taking a look at it in a hex editor. It would also be helpful to extract the log collision model meta frrom a clean cache so you can compare the two and see what changes I made.)
Basically, down at the bottom of that meta there are 8 packets of numbers that represent vertices for the collision model.
(Beginning at 0x269EE30)
Here's what the first packet looks like:
9AEBACBF CA6B9DBE 62F58F3E 04000000
The first three numbers are floats, and are x,y,z coordinates, respectively.
The last number is just the number of the point. So, this one is vertice #4.
To stretch the verts out to where I wanted them I multiplied each Y coord 5x for each set of verts.
That almost did the trick.
Now, near the middle of the collision model meta there are 6 more important packets of data (each 0x10 bytes), which I believe are all floats, beginning at offset 0x269EC08.
I believe these numbers are attributes of the collision model.
The one's I changed are at the end of the 3rd & 4th packets.
The specific floats I changed are @ offsets 0x269EC34 & 0x269EC44.
I'm not exactly sure what these are, but I know that they affect the surface of the collision model. I multiplied them 5x.
Done. That's all I did to the collision model. Multiplied 10 floats by 5. Whee!
I have experimented with making the collision model thinner, wider, etc. with some success.
I have not yet been able to stretch it along the X axis, otherwise I would've made some giant flat platforms.
I have obviously successfully stratched it along the Y axis, though for some reason I can't make it as long as I want...there is some sort of limit that I haven't been able to get past yet.
I have also successfully stretched it along the Z axis, which I haven't really found a use for yet. If you stretch it along Y & Z you end up with a big block. woohoo, right.
This is a pretty simple collision model. Most of them are not as simple because they have more parts.
As UberJim mentioned, you could probably use a diff. collision model and get similar results. Yes, you probably could, but keep in mind that diff. collision models have dff. attributes. For example the door_blast_collision allows you to shoot through it but not walk through it. Thus if you used something else like that you might need to modify it further for it to suit your needs.
You could also use this collision model with another flattened model if you want.
Ok..that's about all I can think of to say about that.
I hope it was helpful.
The fog.
I, personally, like the fog, but it does make a 1v1 game a bit tedious.
A quick fix is to play a game of one-shot-kill.
I will say this again... The fog is necessary.
I originally did not want to add fog, but I had to.
The game can not show you this many objects without lagging a lot.
You may be able to reduce it a bit though without the lag getting too bad.
Here's what I did...
I injected the sky meta from 343GS, changed the fog color back to the original BG fog color because it looks better, then customized the fog variables a bit.
You can set the fog back to what it used to be (using HMTv3, with the "sky" plugin) by setting the "thickness" to 0.4, "start dist." to 3 and "solid dist." to 100....but, because I injected the sky meta from 343GS the sky will still be all hazy.
If you want it completely back to normal just COPY clean BG sky meta & PASTE it over the modded sky meta.
Apparently pimpY found a spot where you can get stuck. (Thanks for letting me know!)
I'm not exactly sure where it is....haven't looked for it yet.
Sorry...my bad.
Unless a lot more bugs are found I probably won't be releasing a repaired version.
Maybe a tiny patch to fix that hole if enough people want it.
It's probably easy for everyone to fix it themselves with SparkEdit.
Yes, the panel could be imported to another level without much difficulty.
I am presently working on another project, but I will try to do this pretty soon.
I agree that Sidewinder is a sick level & really, really needs some good mods,
so this will probably be the first one I work on.
In fact I have some plans to do a slightly more advanced mod for sidewinder, hopefully using a new, larger collision model, thus hopefully there will be no fog.
This mod did take me a while. I've been working on it in some form intermittently for a couple months.
Yes, I could have added teleporters, but to be honest, by the time I finished all the structures I was a little burnt out and didn't really feel like doing it.
Besides, now that SparkEdit 3.01 is out you can add teleporters yourself easily.
(Note that teleporters by themselves have no model, so they're invisible. If you want to be able see where they are in-game you will need to mark them with scenery. The nicest way is to just duplicate some misc. scenery object, then swap it for the teleporter_shield scenery object. Yes, the green shimmery thingie is scenery. It's just not normally used in the game anywhere, so you have to bring it out, like the log.)
I could also have moved the CTF flags, but I couldn't figure out what the best spots to put them would be, and I figured people could just move them themselves to right where they want them.
Regarding any changes to the structures, etc. I appreciate your criticism and ideas, but like I said, I'm kinda' burnt out on this mod, so I probably won't be modifying any of the buildings, adding on or changing anything.
Please feel free to modify this mod in any way you want.
In addition, in case anyone isn't sure, I don't mind if you release any variation of this mod to the public.
As long as you, um, rename it and hopefully give me a shout in the readme.
In fact I'd really like to see them released!
Just have fun with it and do whatever you want, ok.
Oh yeah! XW, thanks for the new hosting & link to the mod!
I haven't been having any trouble downloading from Halomods, but it appears some people have. Keep in mind that if you have a slow connection (like me..damn dialup) it takes an extra long time for files to transfer from Halomods and it often causes the IE window to freeze for quite a while, but just be patient and it'll work.
Since it's really my responsibility to host my mods, and I want to make sure that, no matter what, people can access it, here another link to the mod at my site.
Scenery Architecture 1 - Structures (BG, NTSC)
Oh yeah, by the way...this is the tutorial. I hope it helps.
THANK YOU EVERYONE!!
Post by: MoeMan949222 on February 25, 2004, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: blaze_1ne on February 26, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
this definately would be awesome to put structures like these in sidewinder! add some more teleports here and there and the level would be set...
Post by: pimp on February 26, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: powerpak on February 26, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
thanks.
Post by: MrMurder on February 26, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
Sidewinder is the mp map to rule on its bigger more ways round it and alot better suited for 1 vs 12 or 16 player deathmatch.
So whats the mod for sidewinder and what model r u using cause there isnt much spare.
Hey one thing and your the man to ask i guess (and i've asked loads of people this) is why on sidewinder do the large rocks randomly generate each time you load up the map i mean i know there are 4 models but there must be a way to select which one you get it gets bloody annoying building rock piles when people just hop through the gaps.
Cant wait for the sw edition.
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 26, 2004, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: c_m77 on February 26, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: [-MXB-]xmaniac on February 27, 2004, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: kjmc on March 04, 2004, 09:52:00 AM