Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 01, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Updates from C4E on New Dash: Update Process Seems Safe, AP2.5 Titles Not, LT+ WIP Posted by XanTium | November 1 10:06 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| C4E posted some updates about the Xbox360 fall2010 dashboard security on #FW@EFnet. He reports the Update Process itself seems 'safe' atm, however that doesn't mean you can go ahead updating and booting everything you want. AP2.5 games are a problem/unsafe for sure (and we don't know exactly which titles all have or will have AP2.5 active). For the rest nothing is 100% confirmed safe atm. [c4eva] ap2.5 already defeated, backup fable 3 running fine on beta dash! more data required for analysis! [**] C4 are you planning on releasing the new LT+ for the old consoles? ie. not slim? [c4eva] **:yes [***] c4eva, is it confirmed that current FW and older games will be safe in the new dash? [c4eva] ***:unknown at present! [c4eva] dash out? [c4eva] version please? [c4eva] so it begins,dash version please? [****] c4 2.0.12611.0 [c4eva] very good, thx, same version im already working with! [*****] C4 are you still working on hitas? Will they eventually be released =)? [c4eva] *****:was working on it , not for a while now! [*******] c4eva so there will be a LT+ for lite-on and benq drives [c4eva] yes [c4eva] ok, have logged the update process, analysing! [c4eva] logged entire update process, no vendor packets, only standard inquiry and key exchange, so update process safe! [c4eva] fable 3 not safe! ap2.5 active for that title with new dash! [c4eva] as soon as we have enough data on ap25 then there will be something [c4eva] testing more game titles soon for ap25! |
Post by: aswilbourn on November 01, 2010, 08:15:00 AM
Post by: mpq1671 on November 01, 2010, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 01, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Nov 1 2010, 02:15 PM) 
So is this basically saying that it is safe to update to the new dashboard as long as you do nor run fable 3 or any future ap25 games?
Yes, exactly. It's safe to update to the new dash, no need to reflash drive to orig f/w before updating etc.
Please, please, everyone read this!!! Hopefully we'll have less noob questions clogging this thread like the others.
QUOTE(mpq1671 @ Nov 1 2010, 02:18 PM)
Thanks for news, but theres 1 unknown thing yet. If my console is already flagged (by AP25 challenge), will be possible to run new games (Fable 3 and others) after LT+ is released? Maybe smb found solution how to unflag console (flashing with orig FW on the board, or smthing), if so plz post it.
I would imagine once LT+ is released it will enable AP2.5 games to work again, but nothing will remove the flag.
Post by: zmclean on November 01, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 1 2010, 06:20 AM) 
Yes, exactly. It's safe to update to the new dash, no need to reflash drive to orig f/w before updating etc.
Please, please, everyone read this!!! Hopefully we'll have less noob questions clogging this thread like the others.
Good to hear. I wanted to avoid all that hard work of flashing it back.
Post by: aswilbourn on November 01, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
This post has been edited by aswilbourn: Nov 1 2010, 03:28 PM
Post by: pinkerton on November 01, 2010, 08:30:00 AM
aswilbourn go there before me mentioning fifa09, I reckon MS will play it quiet and get everyone to update and then activate ap2.5 for older games as well.
That would mean a re-burn of your backup collection yet again!
This post has been edited by pinkerton: Nov 1 2010, 03:33 PM
Post by: mpq1671 on November 01, 2010, 08:31:00 AM
1. Update console with new dashboard.
2. Launch Fable 3 COPY (it wont run of course).
3. Check flag status (using Xval 2.0, entering console serial number and X: value //everything can be found in Dashboard - Settings->System Data, or something like that, console should be flagged).
4. Launch ORIG Fable 3.
5. Check flag status again.
AP25 check would be performed again then maybe console will be unflagged + we will know is it possible to launch new games with flagged console.
This post has been edited by mpq1671: Nov 1 2010, 03:32 PM
Post by: DaShiZNiT on November 01, 2010, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 1 2010, 09:30 AM)
One thing thats bugging me, Fable 3 has AP2.5 activated already, yes? Yet AP2.5 has been around on game disc's since fifa09, so whats stopping them from activating older games as well, via an update or something?
Nothing.
Post by: xxANARCHYxx707 on November 01, 2010, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: aswilbourn on November 01, 2010, 08:34:00 AM
Will playing an AP 2.5 game on the OLD dashboard get me banned = NO
Will playing an AP 2.5 game on the NEW dashboard get me banned = YES
As no one is sure what games are using AP2.5 security and also that this security has been around since Fifa 2009 (even though it was not implemented back then, Fable 3 appears to be the first to do so) I would NOT update! Better to be safe than sorry! I just hope I haven't got to re-rip all my games....again!
This post has been edited by aswilbourn: Nov 1 2010, 03:37 PM
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
Go C4E! Ur a bloody legend m8 for getting on to this so early etc.. I hope the task of writing LT+ isn't too time consuming. (If u need any help with resources or collecting data - we're always up for helping)
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 2 2010, 12:00 AM)
One thing thats bugging me, Fable 3 has AP2.5 activated already, yes? Yet AP2.5 has been around on game disc's since fifa09, so whats stopping them from activating older games as well, via an update or something?
Nothing
There's a fair chance it exists in older games but I won't affect you if you haven't updated (to our knowlege) As I stated earlier they've prolly been waiting untill there was a fair level of saturation of ap2.5 backups around to gain the most use from this form of detection.
Xval's (last time I checked) can be rolled-back to their original untainted state (9/10 times) But I personally reckon it's a poor way of seeing if any given console has been flagged for ban (It's still a good way to ID a banned console) I think MS are tending to use it just to effect ban, rather than flag for ban (I could be wrong, of course)
There's a fair chance that they might not even bother banning anymore (as it burdens them in some ways) and instead resort to just not booting the games
If anyone has any ideas on how an AP2.5 disc might be Identified (so as we might be able to make an app to do it) Then please speak up!
I'm on Hols still, but once I get back to our lab/workshop I'll start by xtracting the .iso and maybe checking flags etc.. with Xextool (does anyone know if the latest version covers the new media-type<AP2.5>??)
Post by: specialguest on November 01, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
C4E is the man!
AP2.5 is not really even ramped up yet, and he already has it defeated. That is impressive.
I wish everyone would quit with the stupid questions and just be thankful.
thanks to C4E,
Everyone else quit being dumb and have some patience. Stay away from XBL, the dash update, Fable 3, and be careful with new titles until LT+ is out. Is it really that difficult a concept to wrap your head around?
Post by: VampireKillerX on November 01, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
I don't care about xboxlive, if I update to the kinect dash via pendrive or wave 8 games, will I need to reflash my drive to play backups?
Post by: mpq1671 on November 01, 2010, 08:49:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Nov 1 2010, 03:46 PM)
Xval's (last time I checked) can be rolled-back to their original untainted state (9/10 times)
How?
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE(mpq1671 @ Nov 2 2010, 12:19 AM)
How?
Awesome tut written by my man thwack!:
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=697231
There are apps to do it (try search) but read his tut first to get a grasp on how it's done first as the apps are better used with some knowlege behind them. (Or just get a pro 2 do it4u as it takes a fair effort, and requires a variety of skills -soldering etc..) It might be a little ambitious to try it having never done any other mods involving soldering before... But I guess you gotta learn somehow
Post by: SnAQ on November 01, 2010, 09:00:00 AM
Im almost tempted to update, since the Kinect dashboard looks ALOT better than 9199.
I gotta say it even though i havent followed the 360 scene for very long, but my 360 in August this year, but this c4eva guy is the man!
But i also feel a bit sorry for him, because of all the people that will yell that it´s taking him to long to finish the LT+ process etc etc.
I for one, hope that he takes whatever time he needs in finishing this firmware so that we all can download it for free.
Dont forget that, that he is doing this FOR FREE.
So please just be patient everyone, and if you wanna be 110% sure to be able to play most games offline, Do NOT update yet.
Post by: pinkerton on November 01, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(SnAQ @ Nov 1 2010, 03:00 PM)
Dont forget that, that he is doing this FOR FREE.
So please just be patient everyone, and if you wanna be 110% sure to be able to play most games offline, Do NOT update yet.
Who's moaning???
Post by: SnAQ on November 01, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 1 2010, 05:03 PM)
Who's moaning???
Well, just you wait and you´ll see what im talking about.
And i do hope you are not suggesting that im moaning.
Post by: animere on November 01, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE
One of the titles affected seems to be Fable III. The game boots fine from any media on the current dashboard on a 360 with modified FW, but fails to boot from recordable media on the leaked/12606 beta dashboard ["This disc is unreadable"] - while the retail disc will work just fine according to #FW@EFnet.
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(VampireKillerX @ Nov 2 2010, 12:18 AM)
Noob question:
I don't care about xboxlive, if I update to the kinect dash via pendrive or wave 8 games, will I need to reflash my drive to play backups?
The update effects the same whether or not you do it online or via USB (it's the same package)
If by wave 8 games you mean those with AP2.5 then Yes! you will need LT+ !!
Please all, Read the whole (2 pages so far not a big ask) topic before posting, Usually around now with any topic that relates to banning or new FW ppl start spaming repetitive questions (Prolly M$ employees- who knows?) Which frustrates progress made by the 'rest' of us. I'm still hoping to hear from anyone who's had a look @ fable.xex with xextool etc.. (Notice any new media restriction flags??- Want to get some kudos by writing app to ID AP2.5??) I'm sure ppl would donate to help with time/costs etc.. (as is usually the case...)
QUOTE
So is it ok to update if you have a retail version of Fable 3 and liteon LT? Cuz what I'm understanding is that ap2.5 checks only fail on burnt games
That is a really good question .. I wouldn't for the time being (even tho my guess is that it will be OK)
EDIT: I stand corrected, Aparently the (retail)game will boot (so it's more than likely OK)
Brgds/Dan
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Nov 1 2010, 04:28 PM
Post by: booker21 on November 01, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Nov 1 2010, 12:18 PM)
The update effects the same whether or not you do it online or via USB (it's the same package)
If by wave 8 games you mean those with AP2.5 then Yes! you will need LT+ !!
Please all, Read the whole (2 pages so far not a big ask) topic before posting, Usually around now with any topic that relates to banning or new FW ppl start spaming repetitive questions (Prolly M$ employees- who knows?) Which frustrates progress made by the 'rest' of us. I'm still hoping to hear from anyone who's had a look @ fable.xex with xextool etc.. (Notice any new media restriction flags??- Want to get some kudos by writing app to ID AP2.5??) I'm sure ppl would donate to help with time/costs etc.. (as is usually the case...)
That is a really good question .. I wouldn't for the time being (even tho my guess is that it will be OK)
Brgds/Dan
Didn´t see anyone answer this, but..
What if you patch the backup with lower waves ?
What if you never update to new dashboard and patch the backup with lower waves to avoid the mandatory update?
Sorry didn´t find the answer to this on the whole thread.
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 01, 2010, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 1 2010, 03:30 PM)
One thing thats bugging me, Fable 3 has AP2.5 activated already, yes? Yet AP2.5 has been around on game disc's since fifa09, so whats stopping them from activating older games as well, via an update or something?
aswilbourn go there before me mentioning fifa09, I reckon MS will play it quiet and get everyone to update and then activate ap2.5 for older games as well.
That would mean a re-burn of your backup collection yet again!
umm, I may be wrong, but wouldn't updating older titles with ap2.5 be impossible? It's burned into the factory disc which no update could possibly do, therefore any older title without ap2.5 will always be ok unless they actually remastered and sold same game with it on it, Game of the year edition, etc maybe. But no.
Post by: C.Troy on November 01, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: hewligun on November 01, 2010, 09:50:00 AM
The update is safe. so is playing anything backed up ok outside of fifa09 and fable3 safe on the new firmware?
and is the new LT+ only for ap 2.5 checks?
Post by: brutalboy on November 01, 2010, 09:58:00 AM
I using ixtreme 1.6 lite-one banned console.
If i'm updating my dashboard, can i still be able to play old game backup patched for wave 3?
Can i play new games if i'm patching them to wave 3?
I heart that this dashboard is blocking us to play backup game. this is still true?
Thank
Post by: aqswde123 on November 01, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: ThaCrip on November 01, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
only question i got is....
can the new SSv3 checks be patched in with a application like ABGX once it's sorted out?
i mostly asked that because apparently that's the only thing stopping a AP2.5 game like Fable 3 from booting on the new BETA dashboards with a SAMSUNG XBox360 is that SSv3 stuff apparently since he said AP2.5 does not effect Samsungs which means you would think Firmware wise that current LT 1.0 on Samsungs is already good.... but since it's already known that Fable3 WONT BOOT backups on Samsung 360's (with new dashboard) that must mean it's solely a SSv3 thing.
This post has been edited by ThaCrip: Nov 1 2010, 05:07 PM
Post by: neoME on November 01, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(brutalboy @ Nov 1 2010, 04:58 PM)
Hi There,
I using ixtreme 1.6 lite-one banned console.
If i'm updating my dashboard, can i still be able to play old game backup patched for wave 3?
Can i play new games if i'm patching them to wave 3?
I heart that this dashboard is blocking us to play backup game. this is still true?
Thank
Same question here... I'm banned and have an old FW (always patch the games to wave3).
Can I play all the games with the new protection and new dashboard?
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 01, 2010, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(neoME @ Nov 1 2010, 04:01 PM)
Same question here... I'm banned and have an old FW (always patch the games to wave3).
Can I play all the games with the new protection and new dashboard?
You and all the other posters who've just joined, READ THE THREAD.
Post by: kingdt on November 01, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
QUOTE(VampireKillerX @ Nov 1 2010, 03:48 PM)
Noob question:
I don't care about xboxlive, if I update to the kinect dash via pendrive or wave 8 games, will I need to reflash my drive to play backups?
The question is why would you want to update at all if you are not going on live? If you are going to get kinect then fair enough but i know of no other reason. If i'm wrong someone please correct me.
But no, you will not have to re-flash your drive... until a new firmware comes out that circumvents the ap2.5 thingymajig so games like fable 3 will play.
So does backups of fifa 09 play on the new dash?
Post by: Evi1d33d on November 01, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Nov 1 2010, 04:46 PM)
question remains when will they ban the consoles with the ap25 error. I have the error and still kickin online.
M$ probably have to verify that legit players won't get flagged first before they initiate the ban.
Also Black Ops leak doesn't seem to have AP25 on it. Which is odd since it's one of their flag ship games.
This post has been edited by Evi1d33d: Nov 1 2010, 05:28 PM
Post by: Spark on November 01, 2010, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Nov 1 2010, 03:34 PM)
Will updating to new dashboard get me banned = NO
Will playing an AP 2.5 game on the OLD dashboard get me banned = NO
Will playing an AP 2.5 game on the NEW dashboard get me banned = YES
No offence, but where did that summary come from?
Because unless it's from the Commodore then it probably isn't a very good idea to embolden it and possibly spread mis-information.
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Nov 1 2010, 05:26 PM)
No one knows if they will have new ones for each game or dynamic challenges
Well that's the big question really isn't it.
MS have had this for over two years now by the way since FIFA '09 was released in '08 and the technology likely existed way before that.
I wouldn't touch the Black Ops leak with a 15 meter long pole by the way, even the nfo for the now nuked scene release of it advises users against it since the source was likely ripped from whoever knows what by some idiot with a Kreon.
Post by: doop on November 01, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
No offence, but where did that summary come from?
I think he read the irq transcript then applied a bit of logic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by doop: Nov 1 2010, 05:40 PM
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
Post by: Meccs on November 01, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
I played Fable 3 with the old Dashboard. XVal is still clean. If I don't start Fable 3 again, can I update the Dashboard and play some Monday Night Combat today without getting banned? Did they ban some people the old way?
EDIT: Ok I read some threads now and the answer to my first question should be YES.
This post has been edited by Meccs: Nov 1 2010, 05:42 PM
Post by: doop on November 01, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Meccs @ Nov 1 2010, 05:40 PM)
Just one quick question:
I played Fable 3 with the old Dashboard. XVal is still clean. If I don't start Fable 3 again, can I update the Dashboard and play some Monday Night Combat today without getting banned? Did they ban some people the old way?
At present it would seem that you`d be ok BUT. I`d read whats already been posted plus the irq transcript from C4E and make YOUR own mind up..
Post by: Meccs on November 01, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(doop @ Nov 1 2010, 06:43 PM)
At present it would seem that you`d be ok BUT. I`d read whats already been posted plus the irq transcript from C4E and make YOUR own mind up..
Yep. I might just wait a little longer. It seems C4E is already on it. Good to know!
Post by: prplehz on November 01, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: sportz103 on November 01, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Nov 1 2010, 05:48 PM)
Admit it guys MS has you by the balls. You now have to wait to play fable3 etc. Seems to me it's behind the curve to have a flashed firmware if you have to wait to play the latest and greatest.
While I agree with you somewhat, as I am a self-ripper myself. I should point out that the pirates you're insulting for having to wait to play the "latest and greatest" Fable 3, are passing the time while playing Call of Duty: Black Ops right now. You win some, you lose some.
Post by: CaptainStu on November 01, 2010, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Nov 1 2010, 04:48 PM)
Admit it guys MS has you by the balls. You now have to wait to play fable3 etc. Seems to me it's behind the curve to have a flashed firmware if you have to wait to play the latest and greatest. So now you have to wait even longer for the masterminds to fix it before you can play it. I am all for back ups. But if that is really why you have your firmware flashed. Then why don't you play the original? I mean if you have it surely you can put it in your drive and use it until they fix this. To all the pirates, SUCK IT! *Puts Fable3 in 360 and plays it, wow look at that it works, no flashing no worrying about updates, Ahhh... Seriously if you can't afford games, maybe you should not be playing them, instead, better your education and get better jobs, then you can afford all the games you want. Don't get me wrong I love this site and everything that goes with it. But this trying to beat MS is getting very very very old.
My word... you really are a chode aren't ya?
Post by: boxamania on November 01, 2010, 10:55:00 AM
QUOTE(elcappo @ Nov 1 2010, 05:40 PM)
we are all already confirmed that 46 and 47 hitachis dont have ap 2.5 but since i readed some cases of ppl with hitachi 78 that claimed they are playing fable 3 after update... then...
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
I have an unbanned system with hitachi 59 drive. Xval reported clean secdata before dash update. updated to kinect dash. Backup up Fable 3 loads fine with ssv2. Also loaded a backup of fallout New Vegas which I ripped that is ssv1. Fallout loads fine. Checked secdata after loading both games. Secdata is clean. So I'm assuming Hitachi 59 with Ixtreme 1.51 firmware doesn't have AP2.5.
Post by: ThE MaSTeR 3 on November 01, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
I dont care if its not live safe I just want to know if Ill have to reflash 10 360s just to continue playing backups (offline)
Post by: LegendDx on November 01, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
What about this conditions:
-Flashed Philips with iXtreme 1.61 lt
-Updated to New Kinect Dashboard
-Play Fable 3 ORIGINAL or another AP 2.5 ORIGINAL (maybe all new Kinect games)
1.-That get's me banned?
2.-Or only the copied games (Fable 3 and AP 2.5) are in warning of banning?
3.-Somebody knows if Rock Band 3 have AP 2.5?
Post by: bcham on November 01, 2010, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(boxamania @ Nov 1 2010, 04:55 PM)
I have an unbanned system with hitachi 59 drive. Xval reported clean secdata before dash update. updated to kinect dash. Backup up Fable 3 loads fine with ssv2. Also loaded a backup of fallout New Vegas which I ripped that is ssv1. Fallout loads fine. Checked secdata after loading both games. Secdata is clean. So I'm assuming Hitachi 59 with Ixtreme 1.51 firmware doesn't have AP2.5.
i have a banned ofline xbox with iextreme 5 fimware, and use ppf patcher,
upgraded dash to kinect.and every thing works as usual even fable 3, and black ops,but im pondering wether to buy the kinect,in case it doesent work with the iextreme5 firmware,
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: ozman911 on November 01, 2010, 11:22:00 AM
My question is can I contribute some knowlede by checking the Xval or whatever it is. I havnt been interested in doing this in the past but if it will help I would gladly do it.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 01, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: aqswde123 on November 01, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
We may automatically check your version of the software. We may also automatically download to your Authorized Device modifications to the software to update, enhance, protect, and further develop the Service.
Post by: doop on November 01, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
QUOTE(ozman911 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:22 PM)
Ok I have 2 console, one an elite one an arcade. Both have lite-on drives flashed with LT. I have played Fable 3 on the elite console ALOT. The arcade has never seen this game. I have NOT updated.
My question is can I contribute some knowlede by checking the Xval or whatever it is. I havnt been interested in doing this in the past but if it will help I would gladly do it.
The X: Value is an encrypted string of letters and numbers (hex) stored on your xbox and is specific only to Your xbox. It is useful in conjunction with Xval 2,0 program to see if YOUR xbox has been flagged.
Post by: kipper2k on November 01, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
If i have a 360 with modded FW, (and not already flagged for ban)
- I create a full backup of my nand
- download new dash, play fable OFFLINE!
- after i finish the game (or get bored with it), restore Nand
in theory i am assuming my 360 will be back to its old dashboard ready to download again therefore preventing a ban ?
Am i correct in this logic ?
This post has been edited by kipper2k: Nov 1 2010, 06:33 PM
Post by: XOR101 on November 01, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(kipper2k @ Nov 1 2010, 06:31 PM)
I have a question as to the ban flagging being set by playing Fable:
If i have a 360 with modded FW, (and not already flagged for ban)
- I create a full backup of my nand
- download new dash, play fable OFFLINE!
- after i finish the game (or get bored with it), restore Nand
in theory i am assuming my 360 will be back to its old dashboard ready to download again therefore preventing a ban ?
Am i correct in this logic ?
Or just get a new xbox to play your originals on and another one to play your backups on.
Post by: vydex on November 01, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Mistercurly on November 01, 2010, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(kipper2k @ Nov 1 2010, 07:31 PM)
I have a question as to the ban flagging being set by playing Fable:
If i have a 360 with modded FW, (and not already flagged for ban)
- I create a full backup of my nand
- download new dash, play fable OFFLINE!
- after i finish the game (or get bored with it), restore Nand
in theory i am assuming my 360 will be back to its old dashboard ready to download again therefore preventing a ban ?
Am i correct in this logic ?
Or just play it till you get bored then update your dash after?? As it only gets flagged when using the new dash.
This post has been edited by Mistercurly: Nov 1 2010, 06:38 PM
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(vydex @ Nov 1 2010, 07:35 PM)
I created a backup of Fable 3 from my own copy using a benq drive I had lying around, I used the Ixtreme 1.6 firmware on the benq in 0800 mode to get a pure backup copy from my original using backup creator. Does anyone know if this will work with the new dashboard? Or will it not work like the scene releases etc. Thanks
Just play your retail copy?
Post by: kipper2k on November 01, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Mistercurly @ Nov 1 2010, 06:37 PM)
Or just play it till you get bored then update your dash after??
The reason i was asking if this procedure works is to verify that restoring the nand would clear any flags,
one more question, is the flag set in the Key vault area or other portion of the nand ?
Post by: haychis on November 01, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: Unimatrix47 on November 01, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: dragoscojan on November 01, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(mpq1671 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:18 PM)
Thanks for news, but theres 1 unknown thing yet. If my console is already flagged (by AP25 challenge), will be possible to run new games (Fable 3 and others) after LT+ is released? Maybe smb found solution how to unflag console (flashing with orig FW on the board, or smthing), if so plz post it.
dump the nand and replace the newest secdata.bin with an older secdata.bin,that should work.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 01, 2010, 11:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Unimatrix47 @ Nov 1 2010, 01:40 PM)
So this stuff doesnt apply to people with JTAG's?
Correct.
Post by: Syn201 on November 01, 2010, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(feidhlim1986 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:38 PM)
Just play your retail copy?
You forget sir/miss that people here who claim to "backup" THERE games often don't im not referring to any one specific person ..
Post by: LegendDx on November 01, 2010, 11:55:00 AM
??QUOTE
What about this conditions:
-Flashed Philips with iXtreme 1.61 lt
-Updated to New Kinect Dashboard
-Play Fable 3 ORIGINAL or another AP 2.5 ORIGINAL (maybe all new Kinect games)
1.-That get's me banned?
2.-Or only the copied games (Fable 3 and AP 2.5) are in warning of banning?
3.-Somebody knows if Rock Band 3 have AP 2.5?
-Flashed Philips with iXtreme 1.61 lt
-Updated to New Kinect Dashboard
-Play Fable 3 ORIGINAL or another AP 2.5 ORIGINAL (maybe all new Kinect games)
1.-That get's me banned?
2.-Or only the copied games (Fable 3 and AP 2.5) are in warning of banning?
3.-Somebody knows if Rock Band 3 have AP 2.5?
Post by: hewligun on November 01, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(doop @ Nov 1 2010, 10:29 AM)
The X: Value is an encrypted string of letters and numbers (hex) stored on your xbox and is specific only to Your xbox. It is useful in conjunction with Xval 2,0 program to see if YOUR xbox has been flagged.
how do i check this? do i have to tear my xbox apart or is there an easy way to check? I am curious if mine is flagged. I didnt mod my 360 i had someone else do it. so if it requires tearing it down then i guess i wont be able to check.
This post has been edited by hewligun: Nov 1 2010, 07:01 PM
Post by: VampireKillerX on November 01, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
If I don't mind Live (or being flagged/banned) but I update the dash in order to play kinect games, is it technically possible to patch games to be playable with my old firmware.
I now such software may not exist now, all I'm asking is if it's posible to force the boot of these games.(at the expense of modifying the disc structure, I know, but many of us don't care about live).
Thanks, sorry for all the noob questions, but I guess you learn little by little.
Post by: dragoscojan on November 01, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(VampireKillerX @ Nov 1 2010, 08:59 PM)
I read the thread from the start and i didn't find an answer to this.
If I don't mind Live (or being flagged/banned) but I update the dash in order to play kinect games, is it technically possible to patch games to be playable with my old firmware.
I now such software may not exist now, all I'm asking is if it's posible to force the boot of these games.(at the expense of modifying the disc structure, I know, but many of us don't care about live).
Thanks, sorry for all the noob questions, but I guess you learn little by little.
once the games come copiled with the 2.0.12xxx SDK,they won't run on an older dashboard,even if you remove the $SystemUpdate folder from the iso.
you'll be forced to update to the new dash,but then the new games (fable 3 and probably all kinect games) won't run since the dvd drive failes the ap25 check.you'll have to update to LT+ in order to play the newer games.
Post by: Evil-Eye on November 01, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(hewligun @ Nov 1 2010, 01:58 PM)
how do i check this? do i have to tear my xbox apart or is there an easy way to check? I am curious if mine is flagged. I didnt mod my 360 i had someone else do it. so if it requires tearing it down then i guess i wont be able to check.
Read the readme that comes with Xval it is very easy to do. So easy even a caveman could do it, the X val and the serial number are shown in plain font in your system information.
To everyone else: Take Nate Dogg's advice and lay low!
Post by: col12 on November 01, 2010, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(prplehz @ Nov 1 2010, 05:48 PM)
Admit it guys MS has you by the balls. You now have to wait to play fable3 etc. Seems to me it's behind the curve to have a flashed firmware if you have to wait to play the latest and greatest. So now you have to wait even longer for the masterminds to fix it before you can play it. I am all for back ups. But if that is really why you have your firmware flashed. Then why don't you play the original? I mean if you have it surely you can put it in your drive and use it until they fix this. To all the pirates, SUCK IT! *Puts Fable3 in 360 and plays it, wow look at that it works, no flashing no worrying about updates, Ahhh... Seriously if you can't afford games, maybe you should not be playing them, instead, better your education and get better jobs, then you can afford all the games you want. Don't get me wrong I love this site and everything that goes with it. But this trying to beat MS is getting very very very old.
are you for real
Post by: VampireKillerX on November 01, 2010, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Nov 1 2010, 07:03 PM)
once the games come copiled with the 2.0.12xxx SDK,they won't run on an older dashboard,even if you remove the $SystemUpdate folder from the iso.
you'll be forced to update to the new dash,but then the new games (fable 3 and probably all kinect games) won't run since the dvd drive failes the ap25 check.you'll have to update to LT+ in order to play the newer games.
Thank you for answering. I get that part, what I'm asking is if it's posible to patch the AP2.5 titles so they can be playable with the old drive firmware but in the new kinect dashboard.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 01, 2010, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: wevie666 on November 01, 2010, 12:23:00 PM
My Xbox hass already been banned, cant worry that much..
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: karishbhr on November 01, 2010, 01:17:00 PM
I want to buy kinect and play kinect titles but I have a LT hacked drive. Can I safely place these retail games without worrying about a ban?
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Syn201 @ Nov 1 2010, 07:45 PM)
You forget sir/miss that people here who claim to "backup" THERE games often don't im not referring to any one specific person ..
I'm a Sir (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Oh I know most people claim to do actually backups of bought games but the truth is 99% of people here (myself included) are using pirated games. Realistically there is no need to make backups, I have old PC Game discs from the early 90's that still work. I know piracy talk is not welcome here, but dont claim your not pirating when you really are.
Post by: [_BRIAN_] on November 01, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Unimatrix47 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:40 PM)
So this stuff doesnt apply to people with JTAG's?
No it doesn't. If you have jtag you should not update otherwise you will lose the jtag. You have to wait for a new freeboot or xbreboot if they are still around.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 09:14 PM)
guys i have a question?can i flag myself to getting banned if i update to new dashboard update even though all the games i have are all RETAIL games(original) will i still be putting myself in a risk of getting banned?
Using modded firmware there is always some chance you may be flagged or banned if you go online. No one knows 100% if any modded firmware is 100% safe.
Post by: Digital_sin on November 01, 2010, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(ThaCrip @ Nov 1 2010, 06:01 PM)
i mostly asked that because apparently that's the only thing stopping a AP2.5 game like Fable 3 from booting on the new BETA dashboards with a SAMSUNG XBox360 is that SSv3 stuff apparently since he said AP2.5 does not effect Samsungs which means you would think Firmware wise that current LT 1.0 on Samsungs is already good.... but since it's already known that Fable3 WONT BOOT backups on Samsung 360's (with new dashboard) that must mean it's solely a SSv3 thing.
So if you're using Xtreme 5.3 on a Samsung ms28 (already banned box), Fable 3 should theoretically boot up just fine on the new dash as 5.3 launches games regardless (none of the recent checks are implemented in it), right?
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 01, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Redsquirrel on November 01, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: seamonkeydo12 on November 01, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(LegendDx @ Nov 1 2010, 01:55 PM)
No answer for me
??I don't know about for retail games but you are already screwed for using iXtreme 1.61... there is no such thing as "iXtreme 1.61 lt" by the way... That fw is what caused last years banns so you probably have been flagged for a long time.
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...o...3030&st=30#
i asked this...
QUOTE(elcappo @ Nov 1 2010, 05:40 PM) *
we are all already confirmed that 46 and 47 hitachis dont have ap 2.5 but since i readed some cases of ppl with hitachi 78 that claimed they are playing fable 3 after update... then...
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
then... boxmania posted this...
QUOTE(boxamania @ Nov 1 2010, 05:55 PM) *
I have an unbanned system with hitachi 59 drive. Xval reported clean secdata before dash update. updated to kinect dash. Backup up Fable 3 loads fine with ssv2. Also loaded a backup of fallout New Vegas which I ripped that is ssv1. Fallout loads fine. Checked secdata after loading both games. Secdata is clean. So I'm assuming Hitachi 59 with Ixtreme 1.51 firmware doesn't have AP2.5.
Then ACCORDING TO THIS... HITACHI 59DJ DONT HAVE AP 2.5? IM RIGHT?
THX IN ADVANCE...
Post by: Meccs on November 01, 2010, 02:02:00 PM
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Post by: fuzzyplums on November 01, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Meccs on November 01, 2010, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Gladstone on November 01, 2010, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: ThaCrip on November 01, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Digital_sin @ Nov 1 2010, 02:38 PM)
So if you're using Xtreme 5.3 on a Samsung ms28 (already banned box), Fable 3 should theoretically boot up just fine on the new dash as 5.3 launches games regardless (none of the recent checks are implemented in it), right?
good question. i don't know off the top of my head but my Samsung XBox360 is NOT banned right now and the 'secdata clean' so i am not flagged either. (for the record... i have not been on XBox Live since at least 2 weeks prior to Forza3's official release date)
i am running LT v1.0 (which is the newest for Samsungs) on it right now.
which is why i asked what i asked about the whole SSv3 stuff as from what i understand that seems to be the only plausible explanation as to why Fable3 won't load once you load up newest dashboard since according to c4eva it does not do AP2.5 checks.
p.s. but if i had to take a guess on Xtreme 5.3 on a Samsung... i am guessing you would be flagged for a ban using that as i suspect newer games like fable 3 on newest dashboard will be able to detect Xtreme 5.3 etc. overall i don't know enough to make a educated guess on this one. but if i had to guess i would suspect it will be stopped with newest dashboard on games like Fable3 that use SSv3 and AP2.5.
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
If you don't play online then currently NONE OF THIS WILL AFFECT YOU! or YOUR ABILITY TO PLAY BACKUPS.
Can I play Fable 3 without Kinect??:
YES!!
Currently this only stops you (booting fable3 backup) if you have the kinect dash update(so that means u can play ur backup on 9199,8955 or JTAG what ever with whatever FW!!)
- as it would have been silly for M$ to release a game that would only play on an unreleased dash)
WILL THIS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE WHEN M$ MAKE US UPDATE ?? More Than likely!! (At best ur new game with AP2.5 won't boot without kinect dash update or greater thus forcing the new checks on ur system)
Untill LT+ is released you won't be able to play backups made in the last year or so with peace-of-mind (Unless we find a definative way to identify AP2.5 .xex's)
My XVAL is clean does this mean I'm not banned?? : Yes you are currently not banned THIS DOESN"T neccesarily MEAN THAT YOU HAVEN"T BEEN FLAGGED TO BE BANNED ON THE NEXT BAN-WAVE in (probably in late Nov)
And now to (try to) answer a question from someone who tried to answer it first by reading ...
QUOTE(VampireKillerX @ Nov 2 2010, 03:29 AM)
I read the thread from the start and i didn't find an answer to this.
If I don't mind Live (or being flagged/banned) but I update the dash in order to play kinect games, is it technically possible to patch games to be playable with my old firmware.
I now such software may not exist now, all I'm asking is if it's posible to force the boot of these games.(at the expense of modifying the disc structure, I know, but many of us don't care about live).
Thanks, sorry for all the noob questions, but I guess you learn little by little.
Currently this would work fine (but you will only have problems if ur on kinect dash anyway) In the future when m$ force upd ala new wave(X)
Then this method probably wont as the checks are being done by the executable and the game will most likely won't boot from dash earlier than kinect (as they have done in the past - makes u think ... maybe they've been doing it silently for a while.. )
QUOTE(animere @ Nov 2 2010, 12:45 AM)
So is it ok to update if you have a retail version of Fable 3 and liteon LT? Cuz what I'm understanding is that ap2.5 checks only fail on burnt games
Yes (as far as we know)
By my best guess and understanding/Dan
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Nov 1 2010, 10:29 PM
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 01, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Redsquirrel @ Nov 2 2010, 05:09 AM)
Whats a little weird is the black ops disc doesnt copy to my jtag properly - seems to copy it as a dvd? bit odd.
Does you blackops disc ask to update to kinect dash??? (I'm assuming ur on 9199 JTAG) I would like to know if it has the new update .... If it isn't then try re-copying (make sure you have enough disc space etc.. and disc has had time to spin-up before begining HDD backup) BTW I hope ur trying 2 rip from an orig!!
QUOTE
You guys are funny. You want a definitive way to find out if ap2.5 is on the game disc, boot it on the new dash. Yes I know individuals don't want to risk their boxes, but I don't think it's going to take much rocket science to find out if it has ap2.5 built in or not. Also, they can't "push" nothing over live thats going to update older titles that didn't come with 2.5 on them. If it's the "disc" that's talking back and its not rewritable, its never going to respond to the new dash's checks. If that was the case then all they would of needed to do is a dash update.. les a le bon ton roulet
Sorry but that's not a certain way of checking!!AP2.5 was found on discs over a year ago. I suspect that Fable3 is an anomoly in that it simply doesn't boot from the updated dash (Probably something to do with the game studio wanting the new chex implemented and protecting their IP, but wanting it to meet a release date. <Remeber kinect dash upd was pushed back a couple of times> Fable 3 was orignally going to have kinect features but were removed last minute... (this is more than likely a slip-up we have been lucky to catch on to as I have yet to hear of a game being released that cannot be played on older <unmodded> 360's)
As we understand it ... The AP2.5 checks are either: Being activated by the .xex and polling a new phisical disc security feature OR They're simply giving the drive new challenges from the xex that the(current) FW either cannot anticipate and/or cannot read. Ppl are using the term SSv3 but I'm not sure how that would work on older consoles in tandem w/ existing chex .. Unless it was a seperate feature in which case I think it should just be reffered to as AP2.5 phisical feature (or something like it) AP2.5PF (As yet unkown and unidentified ..) I'm sure C4E and a couple of others (who have the brains and means) have figured it out
I don't think anyone has suggested that they would 'push' an update onto a RW drive or anything remotely like it. Perhaps you should try to read/understand more carefully before jumping in.... Any help is still appreciated. If anyone has orig Fable3 and knows how to sight the ss with naked eye (and/or help of optics of some description) could they perhaps look to see if there are any obvious anomolies/differences from older discs.. You never know it may be that simple
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Nov 1 2010, 11:40 PM
Post by: Tilde88 on November 01, 2010, 04:37:00 PM
ive been playing black ops since yesterday, and ive gotten achievements and such...
logged in today, updated the dashboard... popped in halo reach (backup)...
no ban...
Post by: viper3344 on November 01, 2010, 04:41:00 PM
It seems that people with Ixtreme no stealth FW's are able to update to the new dash and boot fable just fine but people with the LT firmwares are having issues.
Thoughts?
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Tilde88 @ Nov 2 2010, 12:37 AM)
hey guys thought id let you know... my liteon is LT 1.1... never played fable since i think it sux...anyways...
ive been playing black ops since yesterday, and ive gotten achievements and such...
logged in today, updated the dashboard... popped in halo reach (backup)...
no ban...
Microsoft dont ban individual consoles separately, they do large amounts at once. You are a gigantic idiot for playing what I can only assume is a pirate copy of Black Ops, so early before it's official release date. (playing games before they are actually released is the best way to get banned btw)
You are not banned now, but you could very well be flagged now and will become banned when MS do this years round of bannings.
Post by: kipper2k on November 01, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Tilde88 @ Nov 1 2010, 11:37 PM)
hey guys thought id let you know... my liteon is LT 1.1... never played fable since i think it sux...anyways...
ive been playing black ops since yesterday, and ive gotten achievements and such...
logged in today, updated the dashboard... popped in halo reach (backup)...
no ban...
"Patience Grasshopper!"
Post by: RRoD420 on November 01, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Redsquirrel @ Nov 1 2010, 03:39 PM)
Whats a little weird is the black ops disc doesnt copy to my jtag properly - seems to copy it as a dvd? bit odd.
Works fine for me, the game is awesome till I got to Vietnam, now it's a mess. COD Black Ops contains 9199 update and is Wave 6. Doesn't apply.
Post by: shyzza313 on November 01, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
see yua xbox live on that box lol
Post by: Redsquirrel on November 01, 2010, 05:25:00 PM
QUOTE(RRoD420 @ Nov 2 2010, 01:21 AM)
Works fine for me, the game is awesome till I got to Vietnam, now it's a mess. COD Black Ops contains 9199 update and is Wave 6. Doesn't apply.
weird ill try again. it was only copying it as system update, video_ts and audio_ts folders. if it wont copy i can always do on the pc.
Post by: RRoD420 on November 01, 2010, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Redsquirrel @ Nov 1 2010, 07:25 PM)
weird ill try again. it was only copying it as system update, video_ts and audio_ts folders. if it wont copy i can always do on the pc.
extract the .iso with xbox image browser. and ftp the files.
Post by: devilstrider on November 01, 2010, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: lostprophet_23 on November 01, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 1 2010, 07:41 PM)
Not going online with my console again until this is figured out.
me too
Post by: feidhlim1986 on November 01, 2010, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(lostprophet_23 @ Nov 2 2010, 01:53 AM)
me too+1 Just got Dragon Age Ultimate Edition for PC so I think that'll keep me busy until even the next Xbox is modded
Post by: Nailed on November 01, 2010, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 1 2010, 09:38 PM)
You guys are funny. You want a definitive way to find out if ap2.5 is on the game disc, boot it on the new dash. Yes I know individuals don't want to risk their boxes, but I don't think it's going to take much rocket science to find out if it has ap2.5 built in or not. Also, they can't "push" nothing over live thats going to update older titles that didn't come with 2.5 on them. If it's the "disc" that's talking back and its not rewritable, its never going to respond to the new dash's checks. If that was the case then all they would of needed to do is a dash update.. les a le bon ton roulet
I'm no expert on AP2.5, but I have a high level of confidence that Microsoft can (and will) "push" challenges over Live with AP2.5, perhaps even with older discs. The question is, can these checks be defeated by pre-calculating the responses, like SSv1 & SSv2 do?
I'm also going to speculate that the 360s with Samsung & early Hitachi drives that cannot respond to AP2.5 challenges will increase in value.
Post by: ProphetOfPain on November 01, 2010, 07:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Nailed @ Nov 2 2010, 01:41 AM)
I'm no expert on AP2.5, but I have a high level of confidence that Microsoft can (and will) "push" challenges over Live with AP2.5, perhaps even with older discs. The question is, can these checks be defeated by pre-calculating the responses, like SSv1 & SSv2 do?
I'm also going to speculate that the 360s with Samsung & early Hitachi drives that cannot respond to AP2.5 challenges will increase in value.
screw that.. LT+ and liteon FTW!!
Post by: BroknPlaya on November 01, 2010, 07:38:00 PM
Liteon latest LT, if i update and play the retail kinect games that are coming with my kinect order, is there more then the usual risk of ban?
also any games backups that were successfully patched by abgx360 prekinect dash, are they at greater risk now for be banned?
Post by: Nailed on November 01, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
QUOTE(BroknPlaya @ Nov 2 2010, 01:38 AM)
After reading all these posts, i dont see any info on this question....
Liteon latest LT, if i update and play the retail kinect games that are coming with my kinect order, is there more then the usual risk of ban? AFAIK, retails are nearly 100% safe now.
also any games backups that were successfully patched by abgx360 prekinect dash, are they at greater risk now for be banned? Conservative answer, yes. My opinion, no, unless you're playing Fable 3.
Post by: perzian111 on February 02, 2020, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: tb4ll on February 02, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Nov 1 2010, 10:40 PM)
Sorry but that's not a certain way of checking!!AP2.5 was found on discs over a year ago. I suspect that Fable3 is an anomoly in that it simply doesn't boot from the updated dash (Probably something to do with the game studio wanting the new chex implemented and protecting their IP, but wanting it to meet a release date. <Remeber kinect dash upd was pushed back a couple of times> Fable 3 was orignally going to have kinect features but were removed last minute... (this is more than likely a slip-up we have been lucky to catch on to as I have yet to hear of a game being released that cannot be played on older <unmodded> 360's)
AP2.5 was found on discs over a year ago, but it has always been inactive. People have been using older backups on the new dash and have checked XVal after and been 'Clean'. So I think that throws your theory that older backups may be at risk from the new checks out the window. I cant imagine them somehow being able to activate the security on older games.
Fable 3 (backup) is currently the only game that a) does not boot on new dash, and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) flags failed ap25.
Post by: sean7341 on February 02, 2020, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on February 02, 2020, 07:26:00 PM
Of course, I'm no expert on this subject, so take what you will from my post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
@sean7341: check the last two pages of this thread. You question has been addressed several times.
This post has been edited by Aldanga: Yesterday, 03:27 AM
Post by: excaliburlives on February 02, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
QUOTE(tb4ll @ Nov 1 2010, 10:20 PM)
AP2.5 was found on discs over a year ago, but it has always been inactive. People have been using older backups on the new dash and have checked XVal after and been 'Clean'. So I think that throws your theory that older backups may be at risk from the new checks out the window. I cant imagine them somehow being able to activate the security on older games.
Fable 3 (backup) is currently the only game that a) does not boot on new dash, and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) flags failed ap25.
If you've played backups on xboxlive on the unit and they were not made properly ( or even if they were ) you may have been flagged. Nobody knows for sure until the ban hammer comes down.
This post has been edited by excaliburlives: Yesterday, 03:43 AM
Post by: kenji_bear on February 02, 2020, 08:10:00 PM
Just my 2 cents but really.
Post by: brwcrw on February 02, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(kenji_bear @ Nov 2 2010, 04:10 AM)
No offense to any one but inless you are helping the scene by knowing what you are doing...You would know if you are...is to unplug your xbox and find something else to do until someone who does know what they are doing releases data. All of the stupid questions are just logging up the forums for real news. My guess that is only 1 outta every 5 posts is by someone who knows what they are really talking about...and most of them are telling you to be patient and wait...IE NOT UPDATE, NOT PLAY, and NOT ask stupid questions. I just got my 360 last week after being outta one for a few months...ya im antsy to play...but their are other things to find to do...drag out the old ps2 or something. The more questions you ask...the more time the people who could be figuring something out have to waste sighing at dumb people on the forums.
Just my 2 cents but really.
+1
I literally skip over all the stupid questions and just look for members names I know have some sense of what's going on.
Post by: Mr. Moneybags on February 02, 2020, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: Chob on February 03, 2020, 01:25:00 AM
Post by: foolkiller on February 03, 2020, 01:50:00 AM
Post by: Gaggarin on February 03, 2020, 02:07:00 AM
QUOTE(foolkiller @ Nov 2 2010, 09:50 AM)
I find it very strange that Fable 3 is the only game affected. Why are games after Fable 3 not effected too? Hasbro Family Game Night 3 is "wave 7" and is not effected. Their has to be a reason, or am i the only one that feels this way?
I'm not sure about this, but I tried to play Vanquish after updating to the new dash and got the exact same thing I got on FIII. "Unable to read disc".
Might be my disc, but there's no visible scratches on it and I've played it before updating.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on February 03, 2020, 02:53:00 AM
Post by: polakis on February 03, 2020, 04:11:00 AM
I have 2 consoles. One clean with original play on Live and one flashed that has never been on Live. I use one 250gb original hd for both consoles. I play live with the 250gb disk and when i want to play my copies, i put the 250gb on my flashed and unbanned console. This way i have all the saves, achievements and gamerscore from my copy games on my live gamertag. Yesterday i updated the clean console with the new dash. If i update the flashed but unbanned console, play fable3, recieve the error and then take the 250gb drive and put it back on my clean console, will i be able to enter xbox live with the same gamertag with no corruption?
Thanks and sorry for my english...
This post has been edited by polakis: Yesterday, 12:12 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on February 03, 2020, 04:25:00 AM
QUOTE(foolkiller @ Nov 2 2010, 04:50 AM)
I find it very strange that Fable 3 is the only game affected. Why are games after Fable 3 not effected too? Hasbro Family Game Night 3 is "wave 7" and is not effected. Their has to be a reason, or am i the only one that feels this way?
Well some games might of got pressed at different times before they added the new checks or maybe cause Fable 3 is a MS exclusive and its a big title.
Post by: ochentay4 on February 03, 2020, 04:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 2 2010, 06:53 AM)
Hey just out of curiosity, how accurate is XVAL. Mine shows it's clean. Has anyone ever received the SECdata is clean and then got banned?
I as banned last year, checked for xval and showed clean. I updated yesterday with oficial dashboard and xval shows something as decryption failed. Strange.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 02, 2010, 06:20:00 AM
QUOTE(perzian111 @ Nov 2 2010, 02:56 AM)
So I have a Benq LT v1.1 and I was wondering if Halo Reach is safe burnt to play online; or at least Halo Reach Original disc online, until LT+ comes out
I just read this thread and the other one....your questions has been asked 867 times. Maybe not for the exact game you mention but the answers are there. You can spend 5 minutes reading the threads....I did.
Post by: goranee on November 02, 2010, 06:58:00 AM
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Post by: champ2131 on November 02, 2010, 07:26:00 AM
QUOTE(sean7341 @ Nov 1 2010, 08:25 PM)
Hi I have a flashed lite on running LT. If I play retail (store bought) games on my console, will I be banned?
Read the damn thread, I don't post on here much but it's so aggravating trying to find relevant information among all the irrelevant questions.
Post by: madskillz83 on November 02, 2010, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: zombieromero on November 02, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
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Post by: goranee on November 02, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
QUOTE(zombieromero @ Nov 2 2010, 03:12 PM)
Just wondering what about Hitachi drives. I'm currently using a Hitachi 78 does ap 2.5 apply with that drive? There is no LT for hitachi so im using 1.61 with no probs. Seems most ppl are worried about LT and not older firmwares. Can anyone shed some light on this as it hasnt been asnwered so please dnt just say do a search. Someone asked about a hitachi 48 or something but not 78 and much as I respect C4E his post was so vague just says some older drives and some hitachi's so just wondering if anyone could comment on this?
you are apsolutly right my friend pls someone explane more about old firmwares
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Post by: elcappo on November 02, 2010, 08:28:00 AM
QUOTE(zombieromero @ Nov 2 2010, 03:12 PM)
Just wondering what about Hitachi drives. I'm currently using a Hitachi 78 does ap 2.5 apply with that drive? There is no LT for hitachi so im using 1.61 with no probs. Seems most ppl are worried about LT and not older firmwares. Can anyone shed some light on this as it hasnt been asnwered so please dnt just say do a search. Someone asked about a hitachi 48 or something but not 78 and much as I respect C4E his post was so vague just says some older drives and some hitachi's so just wondering if anyone could comment on this?
see, apparently Hitachi 78 and 79 have ap 2.5 then u cant play fable III with it if u update.
Now, the question is... several ppl reported that hitachi 59 dont have ap 2.5, anyone can confirm it?
Thx a lot.
Post by: adan-01 on November 02, 2010, 08:28:00 AM
I´ve been faaaaar from the scene and from my xbox.. so a few weeks ao, i got to play fable 2, and won it, so i got a backup of fable 3.. won it.. ive been disconected from LIVE since ever.. and last night i was wondering whats new on LIVE, so i plugged my xbox to the internet and updated the dashboard without knoing about the AP25 issue.. and BANG! my fable 3 wont start again
it says unrecognized disc, this disc is unreadeble.. i guess this is the error everyone is getting.. Ive tested lord of shadows and works fine.. I HAVE NO CLUE wich unit i have, since a friend of mine flashed it for me.. I have another unit NEW.. and its oooolder I bought it a few years ago from china.. soooo.. MY QUESTIONS ARE: (please i know some of them are kinda lame)Q: Will i get Banned or it´s not 100% sure yet? (i guess i will, and I´ll be really mad since this would be my 2nd banned console, last time i had almost the same problem lol)
Q: I´ve read in some of the post about some units that doesnt have that AP25 thing.. could somebody xplain me a lil bit more about it.. if I get one of those i wont have any problems with that AP25 error ever? please this is the question im must intrested..
Q: Do i have to get a new xbox or somehow someday in the really near future I will be able to play my games normaly even if i get banned?
PLEASE HELP ME with some answers.. and forgive my english, its not my main language.. Thanks guys
Post by: spacedmonkeys on November 02, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Simple solution - keep offline until there is more word from c4e and the situation is clearer.
Alternate solution - play with your original retail games until more word from c4e.
Dickhead solution - keep playing backups and risk being banned.
I've been banned every year since the very first original extreme firmware. Bans will come. Accept it.
Have the patience to either wait for a new firware and *possibly* remain safe, or risk it and accept that you will be banned. Buy another xbox.
Or do what many of us did after last years ban wave - buy one xbox for Live and only play your originals, buy another xbox for your backups offline.
I'm going with the simple solution, keeping my ixtreme LT offline until there is further word from c4e, and playing my originals online for now.
Also suggest everyone stop asking the same dumb questions over and over. Nobody has a crystall ball. Nobody even knows truly what caused bans in 2009, 2008 or 2007 so endless speculation and random theories about what is safe and what is not safe are pointless. If you are seriously that worried about being banned then you should be playing originals on an unmodded xbox.
Post by: watson6 on November 02, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: stevey5036 on November 02, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
QUOTE(spacedmonkeys @ Nov 2 2010, 10:57 AM)
Nobody has the answers. Only Microsoft knows who will be banned.
Simple solution - keep offline until there is more word from c4e and the situation is clearer.
Alternate solution - play with your original retail games until more word from c4e.
Dickhead solution - keep playing backups and risk being banned.
I've been banned every year since the very first original extreme firmware. Bans will come. Accept it.
Have the patience to either wait for a new firware and *possibly* remain safe, or risk it and accept that you will be banned. Buy another xbox.
Or do what many of us did after last years ban wave - buy one xbox for Live and only play your originals, buy another xbox for your backups offline.
I'm going with the simple solution, keeping my ixtreme LT offline until there is further word from c4e, and playing my originals online for now.
Also suggest everyone stop asking the same dumb questions over and over. Nobody has a crystall ball. Nobody even knows truly what caused bans in 2009, 2008 or 2007 so endless speculation and random theories about what is safe and what is not safe are pointless. If you are seriously that worried about being banned then you should be playing originals on an unmodded xbox.
Best post in this entire thread.
Post by: Tear on November 02, 2010, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(stevey5036 @ Nov 2 2010, 05:28 PM)
Best post in this entire thread.
So true (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: elcappo on November 02, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
Then all older ones 46, 47, 58 and 59 must dont have it too!!!
Hitachi 0078FK
NON BANNED
KINECT FINAL DASH (updated on LIVE)
iX 1.51 FW
FABLE 3 Backup WORKS AFTER UPDATE!!!
Here is the PROOF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oafPW0zlM
HITACHI 0078FK DONT HAVE AP 2.5
according to this video... hitachi 46 47 and 59 must dont have ap 2.5 neither cause are OLDER than 78
now my question is why ppl said that only hitachi older than 59 have not ap 2.5?
Post by: kneehighspy on November 02, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(stevey5036 @ Nov 2 2010, 04:28 PM)
Best post in this entire thread.
i have to agree with you about spacedmonkeys post. hopefully everyone will stop asking the same questions over and over. if folks are worried about being banned, the ONLY solution you have is not to mod your system, buy originals and stay legal. then you will have no issues what so ever with banning and you will have one less worry in life.
but if you modify your system and play backups online, then YOU have assumed all responsibility for being banned or not. it's not anyones fault other than yourself, the one who played a backup title online. alot of us don't understand why this is so difficult for folks to understand or comprehend. you assumed all risks by breaking the rules. everyone understands some folks position on using their 'backups' over their originals, to keep them safe. but that is not allowed under any circumstances by microsoft, sony or nintendo.
sometimes you get by, sometimes you get caught. simple as that.
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Post by: blastagator on November 02, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
You have three choices:
1) Flash your drive back to stock firmware (my choice); took me 25-30 minutes.
PRO: Access to xbox Live.
CON: Only play original games.
2) Don't update dashboard. Takes 0 minutes.
PRO: All disks work.
CON: No xbox live.
3) Update to new dash and keep current firmware. 0 minutes.
PRO: Most disks work (all except Fable III so far it seems); Xbox Live (for now)
CON: Almost certainly will be banned in the very near future.
I don't know why you would do this honestly. If you have to have XBL you're going to have to buy a new xbox. If you don't need XBL do option 2.
Also, if you do option 1 or 2, you can update/remod after LT+ is released. Ban is permanent and then you'll have to wait for LT+ anyway.
Good luck.
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Post by: goranee on November 02, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
1.download new kinect dash with Updatespy v12611-1 put on usb drive and install to my xbox elite with liteon drive and ixreme 1.61 freebot firmware
2.Convert fable 3 from original wave to wave 3
3.burn with clone cd
and the game works fine
So i want to confirm that with firmware 1.61 and patched game to lower wave game works
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Post by: Fuse187 on November 02, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
I've just updated to the new dashboard via a USB stick (because it's banned) and Fable 3 boots up just fine..
The 360 has a manufacture date of 2006. It has an Hitachi drive, but I'm not sure what firmware it has, as it was given to me by a mate... If anyone wants me to open it and check what Hitachi drive it is, let me know.Cheers
Post by: CyberDeity on November 02, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
My concern is this whole fiasco about Fable 3 not working after the dash update. I fully intended to get my kids Kinect for xmas. My fear is that kinect (wave 8?) games will force a dash update, and then other games like fable will no longer play. Like I said, I don't care if AP25 puts some 'flag' on my system to ban it, I only care if the games will continue to play. I don't do any hard drive swapping like others have mentioned, so that isn't a concern either.
So, based on that concern, here's a question: Is it possible to remove the mandatory dash update requirement from games? I realize the answer given may no longer apply once the next wave comes out due to changes in design, but was just curious if that might be an option that's available.
Another interesting thing to note that I read elsewhere in another thread - the Hasbro family games 3 wave 7 dash update supposedly does not break fable. So, I'm wondering if that dash doesn't enable AP25, or if the person who made that statement happens to have a drive that doesn't support AP25 checks. Interesting..... Time will tell as more people give testimonies and C4Eva & crew do their magic....
Post by: murauder on November 02, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: xbox990 on November 02, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(CyberDeity @ Nov 2 2010, 08:52 PM)
I could care less about banning. I have 2 xboxes, neither of which ever go online ever. Both have been offline since the day the firmware was flashed by me.
My concern is this whole fiasco about Fable 3 not working after the dash update. I fully intended to get my kids Kinect for xmas. My fear is that kinect (wave 8?) games will force a dash update, and then other games like fable will no longer play. Like I said, I don't care if AP25 puts some 'flag' on my system to ban it, I only care if the games will continue to play. I don't do any hard drive swapping like others have mentioned, so that isn't a concern either.
So, based on that concern, here's a question: Is it possible to remove the mandatory dash update requirement from games? I realize the answer given may no longer apply once the next wave comes out due to changes in design, but was just curious if that might be an option that's available.
Another interesting thing to note that I read elsewhere in another thread - the Hasbro family games 3 wave 7 dash update supposedly does not break fable. So, I'm wondering if that dash doesn't enable AP25, or if the person who made that statement happens to have a drive that doesn't support AP25 checks. Interesting..... Time will tell as more people give testimonies and C4Eva & crew do their magic....
if its any other game yes, i believe you can remove the update and not worry about ap25 and the new dash but you want to play kinect games on a none kinect dashboard.. ?
how will kinect hardware work without a dashboard designed with it in mind?
you have 2 xboxes update one for kinect and leave one for playing ap25 games.. if kinect games are ap25 (i would think they will be) then you will have to play originals till LT+
this is all providing you have drives that support ap25, if not then dont worry update to kinect dash..
Post by: elcappo on November 02, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Fuse187 @ Nov 2 2010, 07:34 PM)
Hi all, just signed up..
I've just updated to the new dashboard via a USB stick (because it's banned) and Fable 3 boots up just fine.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The 360 has a manufacture date of 2006. It has an Hitachi drive, but I'm not sure what firmware it has, as it was given to me by a mate... If anyone wants me to open it and check what Hitachi drive it is, let me know.
Cheers
just read this... may be it gonna answer your questions...
HOLLY SHIT... HITACHI 0078FK DONT HAVE AP 2.5...
Then all older ones 46, 47, 58 and 59 must dont have it too!!!
Hitachi 0078FK
NON BANNED
KINECT FINAL DASH (updated on LIVE)
iX 1.51 FW
FABLE 3 Backup WORKS AFTER UPDATE!!!
Here is the PROOF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oafPW0zlM
HITACHI 0078FK DONT HAVE AP 2.5
according to this video... hitachi 46 47 and 59 must dont have ap 2.5 neither cause are OLDER than 78
now my question is why ppl said that only hitachi older than 59 have not ap 2.5?
Post by: Hydden on November 02, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Nov 1 2010, 10:44 AM)
umm, I may be wrong, but wouldn't updating older titles with ap2.5 be impossible? It's burned into the factory disc which no update could possibly do, therefore any older title without ap2.5 will always be ok unless they actually remastered and sold same game with it on it, Game of the year edition, etc maybe. But no.
I don't know for sure, but even after burning and putting the DVD in the drive for the first time, we've all seen the pop-ups about there being an update to the game...and then having to quickly DL it to continue.
They could do ap25 updates on all games since FIFA 09 fairly easily.
Post by: col12 on November 02, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(foolkiller @ Nov 2 2010, 09:50 AM)
I find it very strange that Fable 3 is the only game affected. Why are games after Fable 3 not effected too? Hasbro Family Game Night 3 is "wave 7" and is not effected. Their has to be a reason, or am i the only one that feels this way?
i honestly think its kinnect games ms will be doing everything to stop them being ripped i know fable 3 is only a small part kinnect but i bet every single kinnect game that comes out has ap 2.5 and can not be played. but then why not every game well we find out when kinnect is released and a game for it is backed upped and tryed
Post by: ivandd6 on November 02, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
QUOTE(spacedmonkeys @ Nov 2 2010, 03:57 PM)
Nobody has the answers. Only Microsoft knows who will be banned.
Simple solution - keep offline until there is more word from c4e and the situation is clearer.
Alternate solution - play with your original retail games until more word from c4e.
Dickhead solution - keep playing backups and risk being banned.
I've been banned every year since the very first original extreme firmware. Bans will come. Accept it.
Have the patience to either wait for a new firware and *possibly* remain safe, or risk it and accept that you will be banned. Buy another xbox.
Or do what many of us did after last years ban wave - buy one xbox for Live and only play your originals, buy another xbox for your backups offline.
I'm going with the simple solution, keeping my ixtreme LT offline until there is further word from c4e, and playing my originals online for now.
Also suggest everyone stop asking the same dumb questions over and over. Nobody has a crystall ball. Nobody even knows truly what caused bans in 2009, 2008 or 2007 so endless speculation and random theories about what is safe and what is not safe are pointless. If you are seriously that worried about being banned then you should be playing originals on an unmodded xbox.
To continue on that note of having two consoles for each purpose (one legit for online & one modded for offline) Hopefully this is not a noob question, but here is my situation:
I have to Xbox consoles. One modded (not banned) (arcade) in which I'm asuming I have iXtreme 1.51 or 1.6 LT (Hitachi) because I can play ALL of my games and don't need to use any activation disc. And when I say ALL games I mean games from the first BioShock through Red Dead Redemption, Dead Rising 2, NBA 2K11, even Fable 3 (even though Fable 3 i just inserted the disc to make sure it worked but not played the actual game yet, this was before this whole dashboard update crisis). This modded console has NEVER, been online since it was flashed, and its ONLY used to play offline
I also have an Xbox Elite (not modded) which I use to play on XBL.
The only thing that these two consoles have in common is that I use the Elite HD to play on both consoles. Now, I've been told, that there is no obvious reason for the Elite console to get banned just by using the same HD between consoles. So then my situation would be the following: If I update the new dashboard through the non modded console and use the HD on the modded one, would that probably make all my backup games not to work?
Now I've read some people have problems, others don't and their games work prefectly fine (except Fable 3) But I'm asuming those are people with just one console and even though they have a modded console, they use it online. How 'bout in my case where there's 2 consoles? Anybody here with my same set up and that has updated their dashboard and had no problems??
Thank you everyone!
This post has been edited by ivandd6: Nov 2 2010, 10:16 PM
Post by: goranee on November 02, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 2 2010, 10:13 PM)
To continue on that note of having two consoles for each purpose (one legit for online & one modded for offline) Hopefully this is not a noob question, but here is my situation:
I have to Xbox consoles. One modded (not banned) (arcade) in which I'm asuming I have iXtreme 1.51 or 1.6 LT (Hitachi) because I can play ALL of my games and don't need to use any activation disc. And when I say ALL games I mean games from the first BioShock through Red Dead Redemption, Dead Rising 2, NBA 2K11, even Fable 3 (even though Fable 3 i just inserted the disc to make sure it worked but not played the actual game yet, this was before this whole dashboard update crisis). This modded console has NEVER, been online since it was flashed, and its ONLY used to play offline
I also have an Xbox Elite (not modded) which I use to play on XBL.
The only thing that these two consoles have in common is that I use the Elite HD to play on both consoles. Now, I've been told, that there is no obvious reason for the Elite console to get banned just by using the same HD between consoles. So then my situation would be the following: If I update the new dashboard through the non modded console and use the HD on the modded one, would that probably make all my backup games not to work?
Now I've read some people have problems, others don't and their games work prefectly fine (except Fable 3) But I'm asuming those are people with just one console and even though they have a modded console, they use it online. How 'bout in my case where there's 2 consoles? Anybody here with my same set up and that has updated their dashboard and had no problems??
Thank you everyone!
it doesent matter how will you update your console because it is not the updateing poces the problem is in checking process of the game
QUOTE(goranee @ Nov 2 2010, 10:39 PM)
it doesent matter how will you update your console because it is not the updateing poces the problem is in checking process of the game
and for firmwares you probely are using ixtreme 1.61 for liteon that firmware boots evrything (patched games to wave 3 or 2) and lt boots only proper stealth games
Post by: CyberDeity on November 02, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox990 @ Nov 2 2010, 03:19 PM)
if its any other game yes, i believe you can remove the update and not worry about ap25 and the new dash but you want to play kinect games on a none kinect dashboard.. ?
how will kinect hardware work without a dashboard designed with it in mind?
you have 2 xboxes update one for kinect and leave one for playing ap25 games.. if kinect games are ap25 (i would think they will be) then you will have to play originals till LT+
this is all providing you have drives that support ap25, if not then dont worry update to kinect dash..
Well, you just brought up a good question. Do we in fact HAVE to have the new dashboard to support Kinect? In my mind, I could care less about using Kinect for dashboard navigation - I can use the regular controllers for that. I'm wondering if the code to support a kinect 'controller' is built into the games that support it, or if the dashboard contains the 'driver'. I don't recall there ever being a dashboard update to support other controllers like Tony Hawk: Ride, or all the music games.
I'm not planning on giving my kids the kinect and newest batch of games until xmas, so that'll leave plenty of time for me to watch the forums here and find out what the scoop is before then.
Post by: elcappo on November 02, 2010, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: ThaCrip on November 02, 2010, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(murauder @ Nov 2 2010, 02:18 PM)
i got a brain buster for you. I have a jasper with liteon lt. Still on 9199 dash. Never been on live. My sc conviction (and others) back up works fine. Burned dead rising 2 with the same software (IMGburn) and same disks (memorex. From the same spindle even) and it doesnt work. Neither does medal of honor. Just says dirty disk. Any ideas?
yeah, you might not want to hear this but use Verbatim discs because Memorex discs can be flaky as from what i hear they are less consistent than Verbatim.
so until you can try known good quality working discs like those then i think your discs are at fault there.
p.s. or maybe try a different burn speed. try 4x or 2.4x etc.
Post by: ivandd6 on November 02, 2010, 04:39:00 PM
QUOTE(goranee @ Nov 2 2010, 10:41 PM)
it doesent matter how will you update your console because it is not the updateing poces the problem is in checking process of the game
and for firmwares you probely are using ixtreme 1.61 for liteon that firmware boots evrything (patched games to wave 3 or 2) and lt boots only proper stealth games
Well as long as my legit console doesn't get banned due to using/switching hard drives with the modded one then I'm ok to do the update dashboard. I guess my concearn is not being able to play my backups once I use the new dashboard on the offline/modded console.
Post by: SnoopKatt on November 02, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(ThaCrip @ Nov 2 2010, 03:18 PM)
yeah, you might not want to hear this but use Verbatim discs because Memorex discs can be flaky as from what i hear they are less consistent than Verbatim.
so until you can try known good quality working discs like those then i think your discs are at fault there.
p.s. or maybe try a different burn speed. try 4x or 2.4x etc.
Yeah, for dual layer, Verbatim is the only reliable brand (the Singapore ones, don't buy ones made in India). Most of the other companies tend to get their discs made at the same plants, so they're all pretty much the same (except Verbatim).
But yeah, I'm still wary of AP2.5. I'm gonna wait until LT+ comes out.
As for Kinect, you probably do need the new dashboard for it to function. It makes more sense for the dashboard to have the driver rather than to load the driver from the disc every time.
Post by: moddr8oy on November 02, 2010, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: elcappo on February 03, 2020, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(moddr8oy @ Nov 2 2010, 11:51 PM)
Hi, Would it be possible to unban ourselves if we back up the Nand now? Thanks
I think that if that is possible, anyway if you do that 1 time or 2 times or who knows how many times, may be at least one is enough, ms could take action against your live account and BAN IT and your console too (doesnt matters if u unban it again, u already lost your live account)
Post by: Joeseph Mother on February 03, 2020, 04:07:00 PM
QUOTE(moddr8oy @ Nov 2 2010, 11:51 PM)
Hi, Would it be possible to unban ourselves if we back up the Nand now? Thanks
No, as the nand will still contain the banned keyvault, if you know how to back up the nand it may be a good idea to do it now just in case ms decides to cripple the hard drives and everything else they did last year, a nand restore will undo that.
Post by: Dwyreaux on November 02, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: robzzombie on November 02, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
We've all been waiting for fable 3 to come out since the ad in gameinformer and an approx release date sometime last year. Just wait like a week or so more. If you played it already (on the old dash) then you at least got a taste of it so be thankful for that. If your asking the question because you are thinking about doing the update just hold off for a bit for c4eva to find a way to bypass ap25
Post by: Ranger72 on February 03, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Dwyreaux @ Nov 2 2010, 07:37 PM)
I've read the entire 11 pages twice and am unsure of one thing, if I update my dash, will it still check Fable 3 offline or are the AP25 checks only active when online? Sorry if this has been covered.
Online or offline makes no difference since it is built into the new dashboard.
Post by: ivandd6 on February 03, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(robzzombie @ Nov 3 2010, 12:46 AM)
If you play Fable 3 on the new dash you will get banned...whenever m$ decides to drop the hammer. Online, offline, it doesnt matter because it flags your console for a later date and ban all at once.
We've all been waiting for fable 3 to come out since the ad in gameinformer and an approx release date sometime last year. Just wait like a week or so more. If you played it already (on the old dash) then you at least got a taste of it so be thankful for that. If your asking the question because you are thinking about doing the update just hold off for a bit for c4eva to find a way to bypass ap25
What if you have 2 consoles? One modded that has never been online and exclusively to play offline but use the same hard drive on a legit/non modded console. Thanks!
Post by: Cooperjs1 on February 03, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 2 2010, 09:38 PM)
What if you have 2 consoles? One modded that has never been online and exclusively to play offline but use the same hard drive on a legit/non modded console. Thanks!
Dude that's been posted half a dozen times, please read other posts first. If you get banned, your gamertag could be possibly corrupted. You should be able to recover it on an un-modded console though. If you put the hard drive back on the banned console, it will prolly corrupt it again. If you aren't a "chiev-a-holic, play offline with a different profile.
Post by: ivandd6 on February 03, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 3 2010, 03:20 AM)
Dude that's been posted half a dozen times, please read other posts first. If you get banned, your gamertag could be possibly corrupted. You should be able to recover it on an un-modded console though. If you put the hard drive back on the banned console, it will prolly corrupt it again. If you aren't a "chiev-a-holic, play offline with a different profile.
I know that you can't use a hard drive from a console that has been banned and teh whole profile corruption thing, and I could care less of F'N achievements!
I've read the other posts and I haven't found anything on what I'm asking here. Apparently you are the one not reading correctly. None of my consoles are banned!!! What is so hard to understand that I use a modded 360 (that is not banned/never used online since it got the firmware) to play backups and another console that is OBVIOUSLY NOT MODDED to play on XBL! The only thing in common that these consoles have is that I share the same hard drive between them!!!
My questions are simple!! Can the legit console get banned for this?? And, If I update the dashboard on that HDD when I go to use it on the modded xbox (again, not banned/never been online) will not let me play my backups??
Thanks!
Post by: Rampart on November 02, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 3 2010, 02:20 AM)
Dude that's been posted half a dozen times, please read other posts first. If you get banned, your gamertag could be possibly corrupted. You should be able to recover it on an un-modded console though. If you put the hard drive back on the banned console, it will prolly corrupt it again. If you aren't a "chiev-a-holic, play offline with a different profile.
ivandd6 and I are in the same boat here.
Can the profile get corrupted when moving a hard drive from a modded (no live) console to a non-modded (live) console? Especially if the hard drives have backups installed on them. Could the non-modded console get flagged? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
I have Live blocked via my router on my LiteOn 1.61 modded when the ban hammer was hitting last year. So I'm sure it's flagged. (got the error from the M$ service site) Although XVal reads "secdata clean" I do not intend to ever connect it to Live again but I'd like to update the dash via USB for Kinect. I also have a non-modded console on Live I'd like to share the Kinect with. Otherwise I'd just stick with the current dash 9199
Good thing is that I'm just now playing Fable 2. I'm not dying to play Fable 3 anytime soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
This post has been edited by Rampart: Nov 3 2010, 03:56 AM
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 02, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Rampart @ Nov 2 2010, 10:52 PM)
ivandd6 and I are in the same boat here.
Can the profile get corrupted when moving a hard drive from a modded (no live) console to a non-modded (live) console? Especially if the hard drives have backups installed on them. Could the non-modded console get flagged? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
I have Live blocked via my router on my LiteOn 1.61 modded when the ban hammer was hitting last year. So I'm sure it's flagged. (got the error from the M$ service site) Although XVal reads "secdata clean" I do not intend to ever connect it to Live again but I'd like to update the dash via USB for Kinect. I also have a non-modded console on Live I'd like to share the Kinect with. Otherwise I'd just stick with the current dash 9199
Good thing is that I'm just now playing Fable 2. I'm not dying to play Fable 3 anytime soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
My bad guys, I misread. Sorry.
As far as fable 3 goes, you can play it one the non modded console. If you put that hard drive on the console with the new dash, you should be fine . The new dash reads the AP 2.5 from the disc, not from the hard drive. As far as it knows, you played Fable 3 on a perfectly legit console.
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 2 2010, 10:42 PM)
I know that you can't use a hard drive from a console that has been banned and teh whole profile corruption thing, and I could care less of F'N achievements!
I've read the other posts and I haven't found anything on what I'm asking here. Apparently you are the one not reading correctly. None of my consoles are banned!!! What is so hard to understand that I use a modded 360 (that is not banned/never used online since it got the firmware) to play backups and another console that is OBVIOUSLY NOT MODDED to play on XBL! The only thing in common that these consoles have is that I share the same hard drive between them!!!
My questions are simple!! Can the legit console get banned for this?? And, If I update the dashboard on that HDD when I go to use it on the modded xbox (again, not banned/never been online) will not let me play my backups??
Thanks!
My bad guys, I misread. Sorry.
As far as fable 3 goes, you can play it on the non modded console. If you put that hard drive on the console with the new dash, you should be fine . The new dash reads the AP 2.5 from the disc, not from the hard drive. As far as it knows, you played Fable 3 on a perfectly legit console. Your legit console will not get banned because it never failed the AP 2.5 challenge that exists within the new dash board.
Post by: ivandd6 on November 02, 2010, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 3 2010, 04:14 AM)
My bad guys, I misread. Sorry.
As far as fable 3 goes, you can play it on the non modded console. If you put that hard drive on the console with the new dash, you should be fine . The new dash reads the AP 2.5 from the disc, not from the hard drive. As far as it knows, you played Fable 3 on a perfectly legit console. Your legit console will not get banned because it never failed the AP 2.5 challenge that exists within the new dash board.
No problem Cooperjs1. So let me try to get this straight... After I update the dashboard (in the legit console of course) and I take that HDD and use it in the modded console to play backup games, it should be fine?
But you are saying that the Ap 2.5 read from the disc. So when I use the HDD with the updated dashboard on the modded/offline xbox I won't be able to play my backup games then?
Can you tell us your situation? Have you updated your dashboard and played any games? How do you know this information?
Thanks
Post by: goranee on November 03, 2010, 02:09:00 AM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 3 2010, 03:42 AM)
I know that you can't use a hard drive from a console that has been banned and teh whole profile corruption thing, and I could care less of F'N achievements!
I've read the other posts and I haven't found anything on what I'm asking here. Apparently you are the one not reading correctly. None of my consoles are banned!!! What is so hard to understand that I use a modded 360 (that is not banned/never used online since it got the firmware) to play backups and another console that is OBVIOUSLY NOT MODDED to play on XBL! The only thing in common that these consoles have is that I share the same hard drive between them!!!
My questions are simple!! Can the legit console get banned for this?? And, If I update the dashboard on that HDD when I go to use it on the modded xbox (again, not banned/never been online) will not let me play my backups??
Thanks!
There is no way mircosoft ban you console because because you are switcing same hdd drive on both of them.There is nothing wrong with that, thay care about firmware modifications.
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 3 2010, 05:51 AM)
No problem Cooperjs1. So let me try to get this straight... After I update the dashboard (in the legit console of course) and I take that HDD and use it in the modded console to play backup games, it should be fine?
But you are saying that the Ap 2.5 read from the disc. So when I use the HDD with the updated dashboard on the modded/offline xbox I won't be able to play my backup games then?
Can you tell us your situation? Have you updated your dashboard and played any games? How do you know this information?
Thanks
if you put hdd with installed new dashboard on console that is not updatet nothing will happen because on the hdd is instaled system update not instalation files for system update. and console will remain with old update.when you install system update system files go to onboard memory on mother board and the other files like avatars and other goes to usb stick hdd memory card or whatever.if your fears are true and system update all goes to hdd than we will be able to change sustem update any time when we put hdd with old update but unfotunatly it does not works in that way
Post by: ddsdavey on November 03, 2010, 02:52:00 AM
QUOTE(SnAQ @ Nov 1 2010, 04:10 PM)
Well, just you wait and you´ll see what im talking about.
And i do hope you are not suggesting that im moaning.
You are moaning!
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 03, 2010, 03:10:00 AM
QUOTE(goranee @ Nov 3 2010, 04:09 AM)
There is no way mircosoft ban you console because because you are switcing same hdd drive on both of them.There is nothing wrong with that, thay care about firmware modifications.
if you put hdd with installed new dashboard on console that is not updatet nothing will happen because on the hdd is instaled system update not instalation files for system update. and console will remain with old update.when you install system update system files go to onboard memory on mother board and the other files like avatars and other goes to usb stick hdd memory card or whatever.if your fears are true and system update all goes to hdd than we will be able to change sustem update any time when we put hdd with old update but unfotunatly it does not works in that way
Exactly!
Post by: Gupper on November 03, 2010, 04:34:00 AM
Post by: Robyj on November 03, 2010, 07:21:00 AM
I don't have update my dash. It will be released a patch to play games that require the new dash? I don't want to flash my lite-on again.
Post by: ivandd6 on November 03, 2010, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(goranee @ Nov 3 2010, 09:09 AM) 
There is no way mircosoft ban you console because because you are switcing same hdd drive on both of them.There is nothing wrong with that, thay care about firmware modifications.
if you put hdd with installed new dashboard on console that is not updatet nothing will happen because on the hdd is instaled system update not instalation files for system update. and console will remain with old update.when you install system update system files go to onboard memory on mother board and the other files like avatars and other goes to usb stick hdd memory card or whatever.if your fears are true and system update all goes to hdd than we will be able to change sustem update any time when we put hdd with old update but unfotunatly it does not works in that way
Thank you guys! Now I have a little bit more info that actually make sense.
I'll let you guys know when I update and see what happens. I'm waiting for this week to end though, there is a strong rumor that M$ will be releasing the ban hammer along with the Kinect launch which is Nov.4th, they even have a counter on their website, LOL. It looks like M$ is playing it quiet letting people know that is "Ok" to update and nothing happens, while they are just flagging everybody like last year, just this time they now what their doing.
Post by: kneehighspy on November 03, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(goranee @ Nov 3 2010, 08:09 AM)
There is no way mircosoft ban you console because because you are switcing same hdd drive on both of them.There is nothing wrong with that, thay care about firmware modifications.
if you put hdd with installed new dashboard on console that is not updatet nothing will happen because on the hdd is instaled system update not instalation files for system update. and console will remain with old update.when you install system update system files go to onboard memory on mother board and the other files like avatars and other goes to usb stick hdd memory card or whatever.if your fears are true and system update all goes to hdd than we will be able to change sustem update any time when we put hdd with old update but unfotunatly it does not works in that way
i don't know if that is true or not. i have both an online system and an offline system and move my hard drive between them (using the same live account on both). before the nxe even came out, both systems used the blades. i was planning on updating the online system with nxe and keeping the offline system on the blades. i updated the online system with nxe just fine. but when i moved the hd to the offline system with the blades, it prompted me that there was a new update as soon as i tried to sign into live with my offline system (live account).
currently i have my online system with the new kinect dash(beta) and my offline system running 9199. i haven't taken the final kinect dash yet (system offline currently till more is known). but i'm sure as soon as i take the final kinect dash, and try to log in using my live account on my offline system, it's gonna prompt me to update my offline system with the kinect dash.
so if someone is using one account on both systems, to keep their achievements updated online, their offline system is going to have to update. so i'm not updating to the final kinect dash till i'm positive about what is going to happen.
to me, you're going to have to use an offline account on the offline console, and an online account on the online system too be able to keep using the old 9199 dash on the offline system (using the hard drive swap). so a person won't be able to keep their gamerscore / achievements current any longer (by swapping hard drives) unless they take the final connect dash on the offline system.
now a user should be able to use a memory card or usb device to move their accounts between machines without having to update their offline console, but i haven't tried this method yet, but it looks like i'm going to have to switch to this method, it's a little more tedious though.
Post by: Visti on November 03, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: Aldanga on November 03, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: ivandd6 on November 03, 2010, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Nov 3 2010, 04:01 PM)
i don't know if that is true or not. i have both an online system and an offline system and move my hard drive between them (using the same live account on both). before the nxe even came out, both systems used the blades. i was planning on updating the online system with nxe and keeping the offline system on the blades. i updated the online system with nxe just fine. but when i moved the hd to the offline system with the blades, it prompted me that there was a new update as soon as i tried to sign into live with my offline system (live account).
currently i have my online system with the new kinect dash(beta) and my offline system running 9199. i haven't taken the final kinect dash yet (system offline currently till more is known). but i'm sure as soon as i take the final kinect dash, and try to log in using my live account on my offline system, it's gonna prompt me to update my offline system with the kinect dash.
so if someone is using one account on both systems, to keep their achievements updated online, their offline system is going to have to update. so i'm not updating to the final kinect dash till i'm positive about what is going to happen.
to me, you're going to have to use an offline account on the offline console, and an online account on the online system too be able to keep using the old 9199 dash on the offline system (using the hard drive swap). so a person won't be able to keep their gamerscore / achievements current any longer (by swapping hard drives) unless they take the final connect dash on the offline system.
now a user should be able to use a memory card or usb device to move their accounts between machines without having to update their offline console, but i haven't tried this method yet, but it looks like i'm going to have to switch to this method, it's a little more tedious though.
That was a great piece of information! Thank you! So far Ive seen a lot of people updating their modded consoles and not getting banned (just yet, maybe flagged for the time being for all we know) but in you case (and mine) if this is true, then you can update the console and keep it offline afterwards and be able to switch HDD between consoles like you have been doing to keep your gamerscore updated. This is going by what you explained.
Post by: Visti on November 03, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Nov 3 2010, 06:50 PM)
It'll still run retail games, but it'll just be flagged as having failed a security check. It will probably end in the banning of the console from LIVE, but it will otherwise function normally.
Great! Thanks. As mentioned, that box has been banned from Live forever, so I'm mainly concerned with playing new games.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 03, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: Teddy76 on November 03, 2010, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 3 2010, 09:12 PM)
hi guys,i heard that tomorrow ms is doing a ban wave,is it true that everyone who updated to new kinect dashboard is going to get banned?
source please?
Why tomorrow? Not logic imo...
Post by: Nombrrr1 on November 03, 2010, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 3 2010, 12:12 PM)
hi guys,i heard that tomorrow ms is doing a ban wave,is it true that everyone who updated to new kinect dashboard is going to get banned?
I just called Bill Gates and he said not to worry...
Post by: airjordan22 on November 03, 2010, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on November 03, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: ivandd6 on November 03, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Teddy76 @ Nov 3 2010, 10:19 PM)
source please?
Why tomorrow? Not logic imo...
The logic comes from Microsoft doing a midnight release for Kinect along with another dashboard update. Is all over their website as well, it's no secret. Plus they've done this before, and since it has been confirmed that new games are the ones that sends info using the ap2.5 once the console is on live. Everyone that has played Fable 3 IS ALREADY FLAGGED, and next time you go online, you WILL be banned, period.
Unless you wait for the new firmware that is in the making.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 03, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 3 2010, 06:16 PM)
The logic comes from Microsoft doing a midnight release for Kinect along with another dashboard update. Is all over their website as well, it's no secret. Plus they've done this before, and since it has been confirmed that new games are the ones that sends info using the ap2.5 once the console is on live. Everyone that has played Fable 3 IS ALREADY FLAGGED, and next time you go online, you WILL be banned, period.
Unless you wait for the new firmware that is in the making.
If were going with M$ logic, they will wait 'til everyone has played Kinect and Black Ops. Once they see the numbers and know everyone loves it, then they will unleash the banhammer. This way, they can assure themselves of good console sales for Christmas.
Post by: ivandd6 on February 02, 2020, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on February 02, 2020, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Gupper @ Nov 3 2010, 03:34 AM)
I have posted this in a different thread also. My son updated to the new dash and tried to play Fable 3, retail copy. It doesn't work and goes striaght to the unreadable disc error. Lite-on drive, I suspect the game is flagging a modded console somehow if though it is a retail copy.
can anyone else confirm this?
Retail fable 3 + Latest Dashboard + modded drive (Benq, Liteon) gives unreadable disc error?
Everyone has been thinking its only the backup copies but it seems according to this guy its retail also
Post by: browll on February 02, 2020, 10:34:00 PM
1. someone said about reprts of non stealth formware still reading fable 3 after the new dash update. i'm using non stealth firmware on my non jtag offline pal benq 360 and i thought that the non stealth firmware would probably be vulnarable to the new checks on fable 3 and possibly upcoming tiltes. i know that for me non stealth was the way to go cos i never planned on taking my 360 online and didnt want to keep updated firmwares everytme there was a new wave and so on. but it don;t seem logical that the non stealth firmware would be able to bypass the new fable 3 checks.
2. some said that call of duty black op's comes with the 9199 dash update. tis don't seem right cos my non jtag previously mentioned 360 is still on the 8*** dashboard and no new games are asking me to update. this seems strange in itself considering newer games have required an update to run in the past. still the fact remains that there i aint come across any new games asking me to update to 9199.
i had to update my jtag to freeboot0.032 in order to play latest xbla titles cos they needed the updated dash but thats another story.
can anyone please shred any light on these two points?
cheers.
Post by: Gupper on February 03, 2020, 03:21:00 AM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 4 2010, 01:58 AM)
can anyone else confirm this?
Retail fable 3 + Latest Dashboard + modded drive (Benq, Liteon) gives unreadable disc error?
Everyone has been thinking its only the backup copies but it seems according to this guy its retail also
I have a liteon drive 1.1 software and the retail copy of Fable does not work on the new dash. I have tried the game on an off line machine no problems whatsoever. The retail copy does not work on my setup.
This post has been edited by Gupper: Yesterday, 11:23 AM
Post by: hover82 on February 03, 2020, 03:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Gupper @ Nov 4 2010, 11:21 AM)
I have a liteon drive 1.1 software and the retail copy of Fable does not work on the new dash. I have tried the game on an off line machine no problems whatsoever. The retail copy does not work on my setup.
I think thats because there is no AP2.5 stuff in the custom iXtreme LT Firmware. Only the stock LiteOn Firmware does contain the AP2.5 part. C4eva ripped out the whole AP2.5 stuff from the Firmware for sure..
Old Dashboard skips the whole AP2.5 check ..
Only Samsung drives will skip the AP2.5 check.. Maybe C4eva (or others) try to trick the disc, that it has to skip AP2.5 and fake a Samsung drive..
But maybe im complete wrong with all the stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by hover82: Yesterday, 11:42 AM
Post by: Anthares2k on February 03, 2020, 04:06:00 AM
Actually this one bought the retail copy because another friend removed the AP25 flag from the console (Lite-On), running the retail copy of Fable III after getting the flag with the backup (on the updated dashboard).
This post has been edited by Anthares2k: Yesterday, 12:07 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on February 03, 2020, 04:47:00 AM
hoping people with higher post count can step in who can also verify
Post by: Anthares2k on February 03, 2020, 04:59:00 AM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 4 2010, 12:47 PM)
errrr all low post counts saying this
hoping people with higher post count can step in who can also verify
As I said in my last post, all my other friends who run the retail copy had no problem of sort (even those who had the AP2.5 flag error from Xval), but this one friend couldnt get the original copy to work. And I cannot make out the reason why.
Hopefully somone with more experience can give me reason...
Sorry for the low post count, but I actually got to this topic researching this very problem (had lurked in the past, but never really had a problem that got me to register, my bad).
Also, as I said, one of these friends after running the retail copy, removed the AP2.5 from Xval report. I wondered if that was just one time case (cause another friend tried that, to no avail, so far). Anyone had the same experience?
Post by: jokuvuan on February 03, 2020, 06:23:00 AM
But how do I know weather my titles like Fallout New Vegas or Halo Reach have AP2.5 or not? Abgx360 does not give this information, and since AP2.5 could be applied after as a title update I'd like to know which games allready have AP2.5 in them?
Post by: ivandd6 on February 03, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
55.===========================================
56.Explanation of ap2.5 - what it is and what it isn't
57.===========================================
58.Q: What IS ap2.5?
59.A: Ap2.5 (antipiracy 2.5), essentially, is a bunch of checks the 360 performs on the disk to ensure that it's legitimate. The current/old system was ap2.0.
60.Essentially, these are a bunch of challenges the 360 performs and the responses from the drive will indicate if the disk is legitimate or not. With ap2.0, iXtreme LT made use of the ss.bin file to fake the correct responses. This ss.bin was known as either SSv1 or SSv2, with SSv2 being a more secure version.
61.In order to combat ap2.5, additional challenge responses will be required, this will come in the form of SSv3.
62.So far, only certain newer games have been ap2.5, with no indication that older games will ever be affected by this (and if this is true, updating to the new dash and running older games that are properly stealthed should be fine), HOWEVER this could also change at any point. Ap2.5 is not something "on the disk", but rather something in the dashboard and drive firmware. Currently, all this is being tested and researched so the above information is not to be taken as gospel and may change at any time.
63.
64.
65.Q: What drives are affected by this?
66.A: Samsung drives do not have ap2.5, nor do some "old" hitachis. So the affected drives are mainly Liteons, BenQs and some Hitachi drives.
67.
68.Q: So what does that mean for us Samsung users?
69.A: Essentially, nothing. The drive itself is incapable of utilising ap2.5, so future ap2.5 titles should boot just fine on the current iXtreme LT.
70.
71.Q: I don't have a Samsung drive, can I spoof one?
72.A: Of course you can, but this will be detected and you will be banned.
73.
74.Q: Wasn't Fifa 09 an ap2.5 game?
75.A: No, this is a misunderstanding that is still spreading to this day.
76.There is a flag inside the XEX (Executable) of every Xbox360 game that indicates if it is ap2.5. This flag is exactly this - a flag (a yes/no or true/false), it has nothing to do with the actual ap2.5 operation. There was a bug in a program called XeXTool which made it look as though Fifa 09's XEX had been updated to set this ap2.5 flag as "true", however this was not actually the case. Fifa 09 falls under the category of "old/non-ap2.5" title. The first known game to have ap2.5 was Fable III and it's ap2.5 flag was NOT set, so it would appear as though this flag is not actually being used anyway.
77.
78.Q: c4eva says the update is safe, can I update my 360 and play backup games?
79.A: What c4eva said is that the actual update process is safe (no special checks are done to detect if your drive has been modified while the update is being applied), however this does not necessarily mean that the additioanl ap2.5 checks wont flag you for a ban. Assuming that only newer games are ap2.5, then theoretically, you should be able to update and still play those games, but attempting to play an ap2.5 game will almost certainly get you flagged for a ban. Currently, there's no way to tell if a game is ap2.5 or not before booting it.
80.
81.Q: I heard that Wave 7 games are ap2.5, is this true?
82.A: The "Wave" has absolutely nothing to do with ap2.5. All the wave patching in the world will not change this as they are two mutually exclusive things. If you're one of those people that needs to "patch" a games wave in order to play it, it's time to update your firmware (in fact, it was time to update your firmware over a year ago) as you wont be able to play ap2.5 games on the new dashboard at all.
83.
84.Q: Is Game X ap2.5 or not?
85.A: Good question! Sadly, there appears to be no way of testing for this other than just attempting to boot the game on the new dash, the catch is that this will almost certainly flag you for a ban.
86.It would appear that all future titles will be ap2.5, however for the moment, there will be a mixture of ap2.5 and non-ap2.5 games. For example, Fable III is definitely ap2.5, but it appears as though COD: Black Ops is not, despite COD releasing and being mastered long after Fable III. As with anything, you run a risk going on live at all and you run a bigger risk while all this is still being researched - if you want to protect yourself from being banned, stay offline and don't update until the new LT+ firmware comes out.
87.
88.Q: When will iXtreme LT+ be released?
89.A: There is no ETA and asking for an ETA ANYWHERE (IRC, forums, etc.) will just get you flamed and banned. Do not ask, it will come when it comes.
Post by: Renova on February 03, 2020, 08:16:00 AM
Also from the previous post, since ap2.5 checks to read if the disk is legit, there should be no problems playing games i.e. Fable 3 if its retail.
Its weird, everyone keeps saying different things. I can play retail, I cant ect.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on February 03, 2020, 08:39:00 AM
So my question is for people who strictly want to play offline with latest dashboard would this work? http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=723196
its a jtag related post about getting Fable 3 to work altering the xex but could the same principle be applied to modded DVD drives altering Fable 3 iso before the burn process to remove the ap2.5 check so it will work with current dashboard and future games OFFLINE?
Post by: kneehighspy on February 03, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 4 2010, 01:47 AM)
BTW...I just updated the dashboard on my NON-MODDED console I use to play on XBL, and everything is fine!...I switched the same HDD to the MODDED console and the old dashboard (9199) came up. I'm able to play Fable 3 and all my other backup games.
ivandd6,
quick question..you took the latest kinect dash update (final release) on your online system? do you use the same gamertag on both of your systems? an online (live) gamertag on your online system, and the same online gamertag on your offline system (of course you get the 'unable to connect to live' error with the gamertag) and you do not get prompted to update your offline console to the latest kinect dash?
if you do not get prompted, are you getting the corrupted gamertag issues when swapping the hard drive from the online machine to the offline machine using the same (live) online gamertag?
thanks!
Post by: ivandd6 on February 03, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Nov 4 2010, 11:54 PM)
ivandd6,
quick question..you took the latest kinect dash update (final release) on your online system? do you use the same gamertag on both of your systems? an online (live) gamertag on your online system, and the same online gamertag on your offline system (of course you get the 'unable to connect to live' error with the gamertag) and you do not get prompted to update your offline console to the latest kinect dash?
if you do not get prompted, are you getting the corrupted gamertag issues when swapping the hard drive from the online machine to the offline machine using the same (live) online gamertag?
thanks!
Yes, I've updated to the new dashboard on my online console, no problems at all as expected. Yes, I use the same Gamertag on both online and offline/modded system. I do not get prompted to update on the offline console to the Kinect dashboard because even tough I updated my online console with the new dash, the offline console starts up with the "old" dashboard. Which tells me the update goes mainly to the console itself not the HDD.
No, I'm not getting any corrupted gamertag issues, apparently as far as the online/legit console knows, I'm just playing offline. I've swapped several times the HDD and I've been able to keep updated my profile between consoles.
I believe you only get your profile corrupted IF our console has been flagged or banned, which in my case, my modded/offline console has NEVER seen the online world.
Per my previous post regarding this whole dashboard situation and also going by what c4eva said, the dashboard update being safe and all, I haven't had any problems at all....YET.
Post by: aqswde123 on February 03, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: thklinge on November 05, 2010, 12:07:00 AM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Nov 5 2010, 05:56 AM)
do the kinect games have ap 2.5?
ABGX reports the following games as "PFI does not match known data (could be corrupt or a new wave not seen before)", which in my mind is an indication of AP2.5, though not definitive:
Dance Central
Kinect Sports
Kinect Joy Ride
So I guess the short answer is: Yes.
From what I can gather from this thread, getting an old Hitachi or Samsung drive running LT is the best bet moving forward, at least until LT+? As it disregards AP2.5 it seems "safe" (we're never safe from MS, but...) to use for everything, new dash, new AP2.5 games, Live, etc..?
Post by: r1cardo on November 05, 2010, 04:49:00 AM
Kinect games load, but if you dont have kinect you will receive the message to plug in kinect obviously....
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Post by: sephiroth666 on November 05, 2010, 05:45:00 AM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 5 2010, 06:07 AM)
ABGX reports the following games as "PFI does not match known data (could be corrupt or a new wave not seen before)", which in my mind is an indication of AP2.5, though not definitive:
Thats not true at all.
This just means that the games are wave 7 (i.e. contains the kinect dashboard on the disk) which has nothing to do with AP2.5.
The fact that these kinect games are being played on LT firmware using a Liteon drive suggests that there are no AP2.5 checks currently.
Post by: Neuron2 on November 05, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
So I guess they don't have any AP25 checks like Fable 3...
Also I checked my SecData with XVal and it's clean.
P.S.
All of them are ssv2 according to abgx and all of them downloaded a small 2MB update from Live before starting...
Post by: cutch on November 05, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Neuron2 @ Nov 5 2010, 02:57 PM)
I don't know if anyone has already tested it as well, but since I have a Kinect sensor I decided to try backups of Dance Central, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports & Kinect JoyRide on my LiteOn with LT 1.1 with the new dashboard and I can confirm that all of them are working perfectly!
Thanks you. That's exactly what I wanted to hear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If we can get a few more people saying the same thing I might actually buy one of these things when they get released in the UK next week.
Cheers.
Post by: Neuron2 on November 05, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
This is completely off topic, but the games are really really fun so far!
And Kinect works very well :-)
Too bad I suck at the dancing game, but I'm getting better slowly :-p
Post by: thklinge on November 05, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(sephiroth666 @ Nov 5 2010, 12:45 PM)
Thats not true at all.
This just means that the games are wave 7 (i.e. contains the kinect dashboard on the disk) which has nothing to do with AP2.5.
The fact that these kinect games are being played on LT firmware using a Liteon drive suggests that there are no AP2.5 checks currently.
My bad, wasn't aware of the new wave as well. That's good news for Kinect fans (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: kneehighspy on November 05, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
QUOTE(ivandd6 @ Nov 5 2010, 03:01 AM)
Yes, I've updated to the new dashboard on my online console, no problems at all as expected. Yes, I use the same Gamertag on both online and offline/modded system. I do not get prompted to update on the offline console to the Kinect dashboard because even tough I updated my online console with the new dash, the offline console starts up with the "old" dashboard. Which tells me the update goes mainly to the console itself not the HDD.
No, I'm not getting any corrupted gamertag issues, apparently as far as the online/legit console knows, I'm just playing offline. I've swapped several times the HDD and I've been able to keep updated my profile between consoles.
I believe you only get your profile corrupted IF our console has been flagged or banned, which in my case, my modded/offline console has NEVER seen the online world.
Per my previous post regarding this whole dashboard situation and also going by what c4eva said, the dashboard update being safe and all, I haven't had any problems at all....YET.
cool, good to hear, great info to know. my offline console has never been online either, secdata is clean on both systems. my online box has the last kinect dash before the final update that was released. i haven't been online since the last beta update with my online box.
with the info you provided, it sounds like some good info for those who do the same steps of using an online box and seperate offline box.
again i appreciate your info, thanks friend! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 05, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: thklinge on November 06, 2010, 12:11:00 AM
Post by: Nombrrr1 on November 06, 2010, 01:25:00 AM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 5 2010, 10:11 PM)
Mine has clean secdata and isn't banned. Only new game I've played recently is Mafia II and Rock Band 3. Haven't tried Fable III, but will be testing some Kinect games soon. Fingers crossed...
I would wait until the new LT + comes out to try them. Those discs could have new checks and you would be putting yourself at risk if you didnt have the new FW made for them.
Post by: tb4ll on November 06, 2010, 05:08:00 AM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 6 2010, 07:11 AM)
Mine has clean secdata and isn't banned. Only new game I've played recently is Mafia II and Rock Band 3. Haven't tried Fable III, but will be testing some Kinect games soon. Fingers crossed...
give us an update once youve tried them. and test your secdata after.
from what I hear they work fine though. seems they dont have the protection.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 06, 2010, 05:46:00 AM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 6 2010, 02:11 AM)
Mine has clean secdata and isn't banned. Only new game I've played recently is Mafia II and Rock Band 3. Haven't tried Fable III, but will be testing some Kinect games soon. Fingers crossed...
Thanks, I appreciate it! Anyone else got SECDATA clean with different results. I know there hasn't been a ban this year, but has anyone experience a clean console that got banned in the past. Once again, just looking for reassurance.
Post by: Anthares2k on November 06, 2010, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE(sephiroth666 @ Nov 5 2010, 12:45 PM)
Thats not true at all.
This just means that the games are wave 7 (i.e. contains the kinect dashboard on the disk) which has nothing to do with AP2.5.
That's not really it.
Fable III is wave 6, yet it gives the same PFI error.
I does have AP2.5, but dunno if it has anything to do with it.
Post by: darthwazza on November 06, 2010, 12:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 6 2010, 01:12 PM)
That's not really it.
Fable III is wave 6, yet it gives the same PFI error.
I does have AP2.5, but dunno if it has anything to do with it.
No it doesnt
Post by: Ration on November 07, 2010, 01:22:00 AM
And check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EArYj2pWVU4 can any1 explain to me what the hell have he done here to run fable backup?
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Post by: EarthWormJim on November 07, 2010, 02:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Ration @ Nov 7 2010, 10:22 AM)
Have anyone tried hotswaping to bypass ap2.5,just a thought.
And check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EArYj2pWVU4 can any1 explain to me what the hell have he done here to run fable backup?
Judging by the comments he is using a x360SED modchip which is not Xbox Live safe
Post by: vegasmtv on November 07, 2010, 03:08:00 AM
So when you update will it then corrupt your gamertag and stop you swapping profiles between a console modded for online and you unmodded online console?
As i said playing Fable 3 on older dash, waiting for LT+, just wondering if it will tag me as soon as i update dash even if i dont play ap 2.5 games on newer dash before updating to LT+
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: Ration on November 07, 2010, 04:43:00 AM
And is it possible to downgrade you dashboard somehow maybe,though I doubt that.
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Post by: vegasmtv on November 07, 2010, 05:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 7 2010, 10:12 AM)
The old dash doesnt have the AP2.5 update, so it doesnt AP2.5 challenge your games. You're good to go.
Thank you for the reply. Thanks.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 07, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Ration @ Nov 7 2010, 07:43 AM)
I've heard some rumours that LT+ will be released only next year.is that true?
And is it possible to downgrade you dashboard somehow maybe,though I doubt that.
LT+ is being worked on. There is no ETA on it. Be patient. It will be released when it's safe. I would rather it come later and be safe than be a rushed cluster. The only way to downgrade is with a J-tagged console.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 03:24 PM)
Seems I'm flagged for a ban (Xval, failed AP25), might as well flash my drive with an old firmware that runs everything but is not LIVE-safe. Can someone who knows a little more than me tell me what firmwares I should look for that runs everything but is not LIVE-safe? Or doesn't even old firmwares run AP25?
I think you're confusing dashboard version with modded firmware.
There's no point in downgrading your modded iXtreme firmware, you'll have to wait for the next one.
As for rolling back to an earlier version of dashboard, that's not a solution either, because it's not possible in non-jtag Xbox (as yours I'm sure is), and even if it were, only the new updated kinect dashboard allows you to go on live.
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Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 7 2010, 03:46 PM)
I think you're confusing dashboard version with modded firmware.
There's no point in downgrading your modded iXtreme firmware, you'll have to wait for the next one.
As for the rolling back to an earlier version of dashboard, that's not a solution either, because it's not possible in non-jtag Xbox (as your I'm sure is), and even if it were, only the new updated kinect dashboard allow you to go on live.
No i meant flashing the DVD to an old firmware. I had an old 360 with some of the very first firmwares and it ran everything thrown at it when everyone had problems with Wave 3 and 4 and that stuff. The only drawback was that it wasn't LIVE-safe.
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 07:55:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 03:49 PM)
No i meant flashing the DVD to an old firmware. I had an old 360 with some of the very first firmwares and it ran everything thrown at it when everyone had problems with Wave 3 and 4 and that stuff. The only drawback was that it wasn't LIVE-safe.
Well, it sounds strange to me that a non modded firmware could play any wave thrown at it but, if you're right, I guess it'd be useful for people to help you if you were more specific as to what DVD you Xbox has and such.
Post by: pacman89 on November 07, 2010, 08:00:00 AM
I have a Arcade 360 with a Modded Lite-On 93450C Drive. I haven't played Fable, nor am I planning to, but I was wondering if I could update to new Kinect dash. I still am not banned, so I can connect online, I just want to connect to download roster updates for NHL 11 and Madden 11, but did not do it because of all the rumors about games not working and so on. So again, I have newer burned games (such as Fallout:New Vegas, Sims 3, 007 Blood Stone), but will I still be able to play these games if I update through Xbox Live. Thank you so much.
Post by: Tobeme on November 07, 2010, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(pacman89 @ Nov 7 2010, 04:00 PM)
Just have a quick question.
I have a Arcade 360 with a Modded Lite-On 93450C Drive. I haven't played Fable, nor am I planning to, but I was wondering if I could update to new Kinect dash. I still am not banned, so I can connect online, I just want to connect to download roster updates for NHL 11 and Madden 11, but did not do it because of all the rumors about games not working and so on. So again, I have newer burned games (such as Fallout:New Vegas, Sims 3, 007 Blood Stone), but will I still be able to play these games if I update through Xbox Live. Thank you so much.
you can update all games will work fine,for now only fable is making problems other games work if that is what you want to know
Post by: pacman89 on November 07, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Tobeme @ Nov 7 2010, 11:09 AM)
you can update all games will work fine,for now only fable is making problems other games work if that is what you want to know
It is not like I'll update and then all of a sudden none of my burned games won't work from up to like 3 years ago. Thanks again, I just don't want to get screwed over.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 7 2010, 03:55 PM)
Well, it sounds strange to me that a non modded firmware could play any wave thrown at it but, if you're right, I guess it'd be useful for people to help you if you were more specific as to what DVD you Xbox has and such.
Ofcourse it was a modded firmware. But a very old firmware, I don't even think it was iXtreme.
Post by: pumauk on November 07, 2010, 09:56:00 AM
I presume:
1) All present copy games will work fine with LT and as long as the Xbox is not connected to live, it will not be banned?
2) Any new games that feature AP2.5 (such as Fable 3 etc) will cause the Xbox to be banned irrespective of if it is connected to Xbox Live or not? This will cripple the Xbox and stop any copy games from being played with no way of recovering?
3) If I wait until LT+ is released, this will allow me to run all copy games without risk of being blocked from running these copies as long as I check them with ABGX 1.03?
4) So, as I currently have the kinect dashboard, am I safe to flash LT and play my present SSV2 games? This won't lead to the xbox being banned / blocked from playing copies? It's only when newer AP2.5 games are about that the problem will arise?
Thanks
Post by: Ranger72 on November 07, 2010, 10:02:00 AM
QUOTE(pumauk @ Nov 7 2010, 11:56 AM)
Can someone please clarify what the implications are of upgrading to the Kinect dashboard then?
I presume:
1) All present copy games will work fine with LT and as long as the Xbox is not connected to live, it will not be banned?
2) Any new games that feature AP2.5 (such as Fable 3 etc) will cause the Xbox to be banned irrespective of if it is connected to Xbox Live or not? This will cripple the Xbox and stop any copy games from being played with no way of recovering?
3) If I wait until LT+ is released, this will allow me to run all copy games without risk of being blocked from running these copies as long as I check them with ABGX 1.03?
4) So, as I currently have the kinect dashboard, am I safe to flash LT and play my present SSV2 games? This won't lead to the xbox being banned / blocked from playing copies? It's only when newer AP2.5 games are about that the problem will arise?
Thanks
Mostly correct. However I would just wait until LT+ comes out before you flash anything to the drive just to be on the safer side.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(pumauk @ Nov 7 2010, 05:56 PM)
Can someone please clarify what the implications are of upgrading to the Kinect dashboard then?
I presume:
1) All present copy games will work fine with LT and as long as the Xbox is not connected to live, it will not be banned?
2) Any new games that feature AP2.5 (such as Fable 3 etc) will cause the Xbox to be banned irrespective of if it is connected to Xbox Live or not? This will cripple the Xbox and stop any copy games from being played with no way of recovering?
3) If I wait until LT+ is released, this will allow me to run all copy games without risk of being blocked from running these copies as long as I check them with ABGX 1.03?
4) So, as I currently have the kinect dashboard, am I safe to flash LT and play my present SSV2 games? This won't lead to the xbox being banned / blocked from playing copies? It's only when newer AP2.5 games are about that the problem will arise?
Thanks
1: The games will work, and you may be safe from banning.
2: No, the only games that wont work are Fable 3 and the ones with AP25, all others will work as before.
3: No one is 100% safe from being banned, but LT+ will make AP25 games work with the new dash.
4: Nothing will block your Xbox from playing backups except the ones with AP25.
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 05:13 PM)
Ofcourse it was a modded firmware. But a very old firmware, I don't even think it was iXtreme.
The only modded firmware I know able to play any wave is a non-stealth 1.6 iXtreme that goes in any drive.
This, as any other present modded firmware, wont enable you to connect to Live, but plays any wave but the AP2.5 ones.
I dont know if that's what you were talking about, but I dont think there's any old firmware, iXtreme or not, able to play AP2.5 protected games (or go online). If that's what you're trying to accomplish (and you dont want to wait for the new firmware) then you should go with that new x360SED chip.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 7 2010, 06:32 PM)
The only modded firmware I know able to play any wave is a non-stealth 1.6 iXtreme that goes in any drive.
This, as any other present modded firmware, wont enable you to connect to Live, but plays any wave but the AP2.5 ones.
I dont know if that's what you were talking about, but I dont think there's any old firmware, iXtreme or not, able to play AP2.5 protected games (or go online). If that's what you're trying to accomplish (and you dont want to wait for the new firmware) then you should go with that new x360SED chip.
Xtreme (predecessor of iXtreme) was able to play any wave, just found that out. I had one of those old firmwares (from around 2006-2007). But if iXtreme 1.6 nonstealth wont play AP25 then those old probably wont, and they're probably too old to exist in a version that will suite my DVD.... As for LIVE, I'm flagged for failing AP25 so i don't really care about that anymore. Guess I'll have to check out the new SED chip.
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 06:37 PM)
Xtreme (predecessor of iXtreme) was able to play any wave, just found that out. I had one of those old firmwares (from around 2006-2007). But if iXtreme 1.6 nonstealth wont play AP25 then those old probably wont, and they're probably too old to exist in a version that will suite my DVD.... As for LIVE, I'm flagged for failing AP25 so i don't really care about that anymore. Guess I'll have to check out the new SED chip.
As for the AP2.5 flag, I dont know if there's a science behind it, but a friend of mine, who was flagged for trying to play Fable III on an updated dashboard, played a retail copy of Fable III, and the flag desappeared. Another friend, ofter that, tried to play a retail copy, but nothing changed. So, I dont guarantee anything changes, but if you can get ahold of a retail copy (by a friend or renting it), it could be worth a shot.
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 7 2010, 06:43 PM)
As for the AP2.5 flag, I dont know if there's a science behind it, but a friend of mine, who was flagged for trying to play Fable III on an updated dashboard, played a retail copy of Fable III, and the flag desappeared. Another friend, ofter that, tried to play a retail copy, but nothing changed. So, I dont guarantee anything changes, but if you can get ahold of a retail copy (by a friend or renting it), it could be worth a shot.
It may so happen that a scratched disk may fail an AP25 test.
Post by: Anthares2k on November 07, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 06:47 PM)
It may so happen that a scratched disk may fail an AP25 test.
No, what I meant happened is that he updated the dashboard, and tried to play a backup disk of Fable III, resulting in a flagging. Afterward he played a retail copy of Fable III, and when he checked again with Xval, the AP2.5 flag was gone.
Another friend of mine in the same AP2.5 flag situation, having heard of this, tried the same but nothing changed. So, I was suggesting you to give it a shot, if there was a way for you to get ahold of a retail copy of Fable III (I assume that was the game that got you flagged) to play.
Post by: pumauk on November 07, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
So my best bet now is to wait for LT+ , and then I can run my old backups (SS2 /SS1) as before without risking banning (i.e. offline) and any newer titles as long as they are abgx checked etc?
Ah just realised, is it just that LT cannot run AP2.5 games at present..... it's not that by playing Ap2.5 games the xbox is permanently stopped from running backups? (i.e. fuses blown etc)?
Cheers
This post has been edited by pumauk: Nov 7 2010, 07:13 PM
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(pumauk @ Nov 7 2010, 07:11 PM)
Sorry if i'm being dense - so by playing AP2.5 games on a LT xbox, would lead to banning/crippling/being blocked from playing copies permanently?
So my best bet now is to wait for LT+ , and then I can run my old backups (SS2 /SS1) as before without risking banning (i.e. offline) and any newer titles as long as they are abgx checked etc?
Ah just realised, is it just that LT cannot run AP2.5 games at present..... it's not that by playing Ap2.5 games the xbox is permanently stopped from running backups? (i.e. fuses blown etc)?
Cheers
Trying to play AP25 on current fw on a kinect dash will lead to you being flagged for ban and AP25 games wont work. Non AP25 games will STILL work.
Post by: pumauk on November 07, 2010, 11:44:00 AM
If an AP2.5 disc flags the console for ban, I presume the crippling occurs without connecting to live? (i.e. it's not safe just to stay offline anymore?).
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE(pumauk @ Nov 7 2010, 07:44 PM)
Thanks. So how can you tell if a game is AP2.5? Does ABGX say anywhere?
If an AP2.5 disc flags the console for ban, I presume the crippling occurs without connecting to live? (i.e. it's not safe just to stay offline anymore?).
If you haven't updated to kinect dash - don't. If you have - don't play Fable 3 because it WILL flag you. Your console already is crippled the moment you updated to kinect.
-edit- unless you have samsung or older hitachis, that is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by BaDHaBiTt: Nov 7 2010, 07:51 PM
Post by: pumauk on November 07, 2010, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 07:48 PM)
If you haven't updated to kinect dash - don't. If you have - don't play Fable 3 because it WILL flag you. Your console already is crippled the moment you updated to kinect.
-edit- unless you have samsung or older hitachis, that is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Woah, hold up - The console I have updated is not and has never had the firmware changed (it's stock). I presume you mean it's crippled if it had already had custom firmware installed? Shouldn't be a problem if not? It's a Lite-on, so i'm best flashing with LT+ once it appears yes? That way I will be able to run all old backups (SS1 / 2) and newer AP2.5's?
What other games have AP2.5? How do you tell which games are?
This post has been edited by pumauk: Nov 7 2010, 07:57 PM
Post by: BaDHaBiTt on November 07, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(pumauk @ Nov 7 2010, 07:56 PM)
Woah, hold up - The console I have updated is not and has never had the firmware changed (it's stock). I presume you mean it's crippled if it had already had custom firmware installed? Shouldn't be a problem if not? It's a Lite-on, so i'm best flashing with LT+ once it appears yes? That way I will be able to run all old backups (SS1 / 2) and newer AP2.5's?
What other games have AP2.5? How do you tell which games are?
Well if you haven't flashed your dvd then there are no problems at all, just wait till the new fw comes around.
They say Hasbro family games has the AP25 but who cares about that? Other than that i don't know of any AP25 - not even the new Kinect games.
Post by: Chancer on November 07, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
People flaming and insulting will find the same applies to them..
Newbie chat is for Newbie questions this is supposed to be the Technical Hacking Section.
No more warnings
Post by: thklinge on November 07, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 07:48 PM)
If you haven't updated to kinect dash - don't. If you have - don't play Fable 3 because it WILL flag you. Your console already is crippled the moment you updated to kinect.
-edit- unless you have samsung or older hitachis, that is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Not true. I have a LiteOn with LiteTouch that's currently not flagged but has the new Kinect Dash. I've played RB3 / Mafia II since, both are SSv2. Still not flagged. Obviously haven't played Fable III or Hasbro Family Whatever.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 07, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 7 2010, 07:04 PM)
Not true. I have a LiteOn with LiteTouch that's currently not flagged but has the new Kinect Dash. I've played RB3 / Mafia II since, both are SSv2. Still not flagged. Obviously haven't played Fable III or Hasbro Family Whatever.
I think what he means is that your console is crippled with the inability to play Fable 3 or any other AP 2.5 game that may or will exist. It will still play online just fine.
Post by: aqswde123 on November 07, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: Tobeme on November 08, 2010, 12:34:00 AM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Nov 8 2010, 04:45 AM)
new update last night any tried it yet?
What update dude?
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 08, 2010, 04:25:00 PM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Nov 7 2010, 11:45 PM)
new update last night any tried it yet?
What update do you mean???
Post by: carl25 on November 08, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: billb666 on November 08, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(carl25 @ Nov 8 2010, 07:42 PM)
does black ops have ap25??
The consensus as of now is no, because people with LT firmware are able to play, unlike Fable III. However, there is nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing a title update which does the AP 2.5 checks and flags consoles and/or locks out the game from booting, so there is still risk.
This post has been edited by billb666: Nov 9 2010, 06:15 AM
Post by: Freakyfabe on November 09, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
QUOTE(billb666 @ Nov 8 2010, 09:14 PM)
The consensus as of now is no, because people with LT firmware are able to play, unlike Fable III. However, there is nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing a title update which does the AP 2.5 checks and flags consoles and/or locks out the game from booting, so there is still risk.
The odd thing about black ops is that it doesn't save on your j-tag. I find this really strange. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned this, and I can confirm it.
Post by: hetster on November 09, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: aqswde123 on November 09, 2010, 02:47:00 AM
QUOTE(billb666 @ Nov 9 2010, 06:14 AM)
The consensus as of now is no, because people with LT firmware are able to play, unlike Fable III. However, there is nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing a title update which does the AP 2.5 checks and flags consoles and/or locks out the game from booting, so there is still risk.
I know c4eva said it could be possible but i think that was just to be safe. Seriously doubt a title update can implement checks in a game. The new dash checks the disk during boot not the installed game. If what ur saying is true people should be able to install a rented copy of fable 3 and launch it with a burned copy without problems.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 09, 2010, 03:04:00 AM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Nov 9 2010, 05:47 AM)
I know c4eva said it could be possible but i think that was just to be safe. Seriously doubt a title update can implement checks in a game. The new dash checks the disk during boot not the installed game. If what ur saying is true people should be able to install a rented copy of fable 3 and launch it with a burned copy without problems.
The burned disc will still fail the AP 2.5 challenge.
Post by: Freakyfabe on November 09, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Nov 8 2010, 11:22 PM)
i have 4 jtags and it saves on all of them
The game will save on the system HDD, But not on an external
HDD. Yes, you can have in game saves, but it will not save as a game file onto an external. Again, read earlier thread.
This post has been edited by Freakyfabe: Nov 9 2010, 12:38 PM
Post by: rIKmAN on November 09, 2010, 07:38:00 AM
QUOTE(BaDHaBiTt @ Nov 7 2010, 06:48 PM)
Can you give a source for this (other than c4e saying it) as I have an older flashed Hitachi - 79FL IIRC.
I'm unsure of firmware version, but I have to wave patch games for them to work.
I haven't updated to the new dash yet as this box has been going strong on Live for the last 3yrs and don't want to feck it up by rushing into anything.
Is there a confirmed list of drives that don't do AP2.5?
This post has been edited by rIKmAN: Nov 9 2010, 03:38 PM
Post by: aqswde123 on November 09, 2010, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: aswilbourn on November 09, 2010, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 09, 2010, 09:43:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Nov 9 2010, 04:29 PM)
Now Black Ops is out I wonder how many people are gonna end up finally breaking and update so they can play it online....I can see a hell of alot of bans coming just before Crimbo!
lol indeed, I am guilty of this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: pokekey1 on November 09, 2010, 01:00:00 PM
Now i'll probably get banned.
BUT MY FABLE 3 COPY IS NOT RUNNING ANY MORE!
And i will not be able to play any AP25 anymore....
With LT+ from C4E it will be able to play AP25 games again on new dashboard ?
Post by: Ranger72 on November 09, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(pokekey1 @ Nov 9 2010, 03:00 PM)
Just made the mistake of updating to new kinect firmware and played Fable 3.....
Now i'll probably get banned.
BUT MY FABLE 3 COPY IS NOT RUNNING ANY MORE! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
And i will not be able to play any AP25 anymore....
With LT+ from C4E it will be able to play AP25 games again on new dashboard ?
Really? As if you did not even know this was going to happen even after seeing all the news that it would?
No you wont likely be able to play any new ap 2.5 games any more and you have nobody to blame but yourself.
Post by: schumy on November 09, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 9 2010, 08:24 PM)
Really? As if you did not even know this was going to happen even after seeing all the news that it would?
No you wont likely be able to play any new ap 2.5 games any more and you have nobody to blame but yourself.
mmm are u sure about that? when lt+ come and will be flashed in console that is already updated and already flagged all ap 2.5 games will wont work also with the lt+ firmware?
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 09, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(schumy @ Nov 9 2010, 05:56 PM)
mmm are u sure about that? when lt+ come and will be flashed in console that is already updated and already flagged all ap 2.5 games will wont work also with the lt+ firmware?
Could you maybe punctuate that and try again please. I can't understand what "will won't" means.
Post by: schumy on November 09, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 9 2010, 11:15 PM)
Could you maybe punctuate that and try again please. I can't understand what "will won't" means.
sorry for my bad english, i ask only if is true what ranger 72 say that u cant run ap 2.5 games also if u will have lt+ fw, if u have already updated the dash before flash with lt+ and try to run fable 3 ora any others ap2.5 games
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 09, 2010, 03:34:00 PM
sorry for my bad english, i ask only if is true what ranger 72 say that u cant run ap 2.5 games also if u will have lt+ fw, if u have already updated the dash before flash with lt+ and try to run fable 3 ora any others ap2.5 games
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I don't think it matters which firmware you have. If you try to run a backup of an AP 2.5 game from the new dash, it won't boot. Unless maybe you are fortunate enough to have the samsung or hitachi incapable of checking AP 2.5.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 09, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(schumy @ Nov 9 2010, 05:20 PM)
sorry for my bad english, i ask only if is true what ranger 72 say that u cant run ap 2.5 games also if u will have lt+ fw, if u have already updated the dash before flash with lt+ and try to run fable 3 ora any others ap2.5 games
Pretty sure that once the console is flagged it wont load any ap2.5 games even after LT+.
Post by: loggio on November 09, 2010, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 9 2010, 11:55 PM)
Pretty sure that once the console is flagged it wont load any ap2.5 games even after LT+.
What makes you say that? All the flag does is flag your for a potential ban. The flag wont stop games booting at all. Otherwise ap2.5 originals wouldnt run either.
I dont get what your trying to say?
Post by: Ranger72 on November 09, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Nov 9 2010, 06:33 PM)
What makes you say that? All the flag does is flag your for a potential ban. The flag wont stop games booting at all. Otherwise ap2.5 originals wouldnt run either.
I dont get what your trying to say?
Read from the beginning of the thread. Yes once the console is flagged for the ap2.5 ban it does in fact block any games with ap2.5 from being able to load.
This is what the big deal is about this new security. It used to be that when you got banned you could not connect to Live. Then last year came and when the bans happened you not only could not connect to Live but you also could no longer do things like install games onto the hard drive anymore. now this year they have found a way to block ap2.5 games from loading.
Old games that dont support ap 2.5 will still load however after the ban.
Post by: schumy on November 09, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 10 2010, 01:04 AM)
Read from the beginning of the thread. Yes once the console is flagged for the ap2.5 ban it does in fact block any games with ap2.5 from being able to load.
This is what the big deal is about this new security. It used to be that when you got banned you could not connect to Live. Then last year came and when the bans happened you not only could not connect to Live but you also could no longer do things like install games onto the hard drive anymore. now this year they have found a way to block ap2.5 games from loading.
Old games that dont support ap 2.5 will still load however after the ban.
but peoples that have tried fable 3 original after try the backup can play fine with the original and with the latest dash u can install all games you want also if youre banned
This post has been edited by schumy: Nov 10 2010, 01:21 AM
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 09, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Nov 9 2010, 07:33 PM)
What makes you say that? All the flag does is flag your for a potential ban. The flag wont stop games booting at all. Otherwise ap2.5 originals wouldnt run either.
I dont get what your trying to say?
If you update to the new dash, all AP 2.5 games will stop working. If you try to run one, you will be flagged. I don't think anyone knows what will happen with the LT+ firmware until it's released. If you're flagged, you get banned. You might still be able to play the games with LT+, but you won't be able to play online again. Microsoft is known for causing issues when they ban you. They could quite possibly cause your console to not be able to play AP 2.5 games.
Post by: death69inc on November 09, 2010, 05:25:00 PM
since when did that stop them last i heard about 100k+ of the mil on the mw2 run where legit users
I myself had 2 of them.
last time one of my 360 went on live .... but this ap25 thing seems to be a pain in my side reguarless as people update without thinking should i do this lol
glad to see cre workign on this matter will love to see its release
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on November 09, 2010, 05:52:00 PM
QUOTE(schumy @ Nov 9 2010, 04:20 PM)
but peoples that have tried fable 3 original after try the backup can play fine with the original and with the latest dash u can install all games you want also if youre banned
I've heard the opposite to be true
people with Fable 3 retail + Latest Dash = doesn't load
Post by: darkneovamp on November 09, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 09, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 10 2010, 12:52 AM)
I've heard the opposite to be true
people with Fable 3 retail + Latest Dash = doesn't load
Can anyone confirm this, that a retail Fable 3 doesn't load after an AP2.5 flag?
Post by: loggio on November 09, 2010, 06:51:00 PM
An original woth ap2.5 will load regardless of your flagged status!
Its not the flag that stops you from booting, its that the firmware does not send the correct response and the disk has not benn burned properly.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 09, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Anthares2k on November 09, 2010, 07:12:00 PM
QUOTE(schumy @ Nov 9 2010, 10:56 PM)
mmm are u sure about that? when lt+ come and will be flashed in console that is already updated and already flagged all ap 2.5 games will wont work also with the lt+ firmware?
I suppose that, since LT+ will probably bypass the AP2.5, he will be able to play AP2.5 games again. Also though usually people can play on the new dash retail AP2.5 games (Fable III), there are few reported cases that couldnt.
This doesnt excuse him from coming here whining about the flagging when it's by now universally known what you are getting yourself into when updating the system and popping in a Fable III backup.
This post has been edited by Anthares2k: Nov 10 2010, 03:17 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 09, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Anthares2k @ Nov 9 2010, 09:12 PM)
I suppose that, since LT+ will probably bypass the AP2.5, he will be able to play AP2.5 games again. Also though usually people can play on the new dash retail AP2.5 games (Fable III), there are few reported cases that couldnt.
This doesnt excuse him from coming here whining about the flagging when it's by now universally known what you are getting yourself into when updating the system and popping in a Fable III backup.
LT+ wont bypass AP 2.5. It should make it so AP 2.5 passes the responses requested by the dashboard.
However this wont do anything for a console that has failed such tests and has been flagged already.
Another words LT+ will hopefully help those not yet banned but for those that have already been flagged it is likely game is over for those people for now.
This is why nobody with a modded console should update to the fall dashboard until LT+ comes out.
Post by: loggio on November 09, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 10 2010, 03:54 AM)
LT+ wont bypass AP 2.5. It should make it so AP 2.5 passes the responses requested by the dashboard.
However this wont do anything for a console that has failed such tests and has been flagged already.
Another words LT+ will hopefully help those not yet banned but for those that have already been flagged it is likely game is over for those people for now.
This is why nobody with a modded console should update to the fall dashboard until LT+ comes out.
Dude,
Where are you getting this info from? The ap2.5 flag is flagging the consoles for trying to play burnt games. It does not cripple your ability to RUN ap2.5 if your flagged. It just means the security sector on the disc and firmware are not supplying the correct responses to the dash and will come to the conclusion you're running a cppy and will not allow you to boot.
It does not matter if youre flagged. LT+ will supply the reaponses needed and trick the machine to think the game is original and BOOT it.
Regardless of weather you're flagged.
Post by: Aldanga on November 09, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
This post has been edited by Aldanga: Nov 10 2010, 05:24 AM
Post by: loggio on November 09, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 9 2010, 11:55 PM)
Pretty sure that once the console is flagged it wont load any ap2.5 games even after LT+.
What the hell do you call that then?
Post by: Aldanga on November 09, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
If you look back in the thread he addressed your concerns about his statement. There's no need to ask the same question again and again if he's already addressed it. He didn't say it was gospel truth, but just what he understands at this point. No one is totally sure at this point, but we'll probably know more going forward.
Post by: schumy on November 10, 2010, 01:44:00 AM
QUOTE(darkneovamp @ Nov 10 2010, 02:01 AM)
Well if you have a banned box like mine and failed the ap2.5 check and its true that all future ap2.5 games will be blocked we might as well either do the disk swap method or use the "stealth eject chip"
what is the disk swap method? i know the chip but never heard of that disk swap method
Post by: danthaman673 on November 10, 2010, 02:10:00 AM
In my commitment to fighting AP 2.5 (in an effort to allow ppl to play backups unimpeded) - I have some news:
I'm 90% sure that black-ops has AP 2.5 (SS type) and that one of the new TU's (to come-out in the last day or so) Is probably activating the checks (anyone game to check?? - You will need NWP or flashing ability, Go on live with orig, accept update <TU> , unplug network,turn-on NWP see if backup game boots, power-off entirely ie; PSU unplugged for 30 seconds, turn NWP back off and lastly check X val if ur super paranoid before going back online.)
OR: Use online box (Preferably with Latest LT but updated with orig - not essential but it would help) that u have dumped nand on (after updating to kinect dash 126111 - Dont waste a JTAG on this BTW)
THEN: Go online with original disc, accept TU(Title Update),remove network cable or disconnect wireless THEN: Try to run Black-OPs (or any other new game u want 2 test) TEST: Does it boot yes/no? Check X val (even if it boots - hopefully u confirmed it was clean previous) RETURN BOX 2SAFE: Re-Flash your backup (I hope u did several dumps and got 2 matching dumps confirming legitimacy to 99.8% or your NAND Backup) Thereby rendering the box eligible to go back on-line with 100% certainty that this test will not cause your box to banned (excluding what you do with it before/afterwards)
And now for some good news:
I have devised a method for making a BENQ/LITEON Box SAFE FOR ONLINE (AND PASS AP2.5 BACKUP GAMES) Permanently!!
Here is a link to my tut: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=723530
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Nov 10 2010, 10:29 AM
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 10, 2010, 03:27:00 AM
Post by: mdoggie on November 10, 2010, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 10 2010, 11:27 AM)
I'm starting to think Black Ops has AP 2.5 as well. My console doesn't seem to flagged according to XVAL, but I cannot run a backup of Black Ops. I get a disc unrecognized error. I know XVAL isn't 100% and I expect to be banned sometime just for having a modded console online anyway. Has Black Ops been confirmed to have AP 2.5?
Were you EVER able to play a backup of Black ops? How about running the original disc? As most people have reported, my original of Black Ops has never had any problems, even after whatever the title update recently was. I don't see, at the moment, any change in XVAL status. Are you SUUUUUREEE you didn't try to play the bad rip that was reported to be floating around the 'nets? That may be flag-bait as opposed to any extra disc security.
If the issue IS "turning on" ap25 checks via a title update, the original should still be fine to use online with LT since its still reporting back the correct check values.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 10, 2010, 07:27:00 AM
Post by: kloenie on November 10, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
when are you flagged for a ap 2.5 game ?
can or can't you play that or other ap 2.5 games on the xbox???
i have a modded and banned xbox, just bought kinect.
the original game works an backup ( different game ) dont work, get the play dvd.
have read that updating the firmware to LT 1.1 wil fix the play dvd error.
is that risky ?
i just want to play the kinect games.
is there a firmware that just play every game ?
of is it bad to play a ap 2.5 game an get flagged ?
gr kloenie
Post by: crackalac on November 10, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(loggio @ Nov 9 2010, 10:14 PM)
What the hell do you call that then?
what he is saying is that once u are flagged for failing ap2.5 your modded box will not be able to play any backups with 2.5 on them ever again. (unless u reverse the flag by backing up the nand etc.)
Post by: loggio on November 10, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(crackalac @ Nov 10 2010, 07:17 PM)
what he is saying is that once u are flagged for failing ap2.5 your modded box will not be able to play any backups with 2.5 on them ever again. (unless u reverse the flag by backing up the nand etc.)
I know exactly what hes saying. And he's completely wrong.
Post by: Tobeme on November 10, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(crackalac @ Nov 10 2010, 07:17 PM)
what he is saying is that once u are flagged for failing ap2.5 your modded box will not be able to play any backups with 2.5 on them ever again. (unless u reverse the flag by backing up the nand etc.)
LOL at this, are you serious listen what you are saying lol you can get flagged as much as you like that can;t stop you playing games only thing that can happen is you can get banned from live.
And when the new LT+ gets out you can continue playing all games that have that ap25 check.
Post by: loggio on November 10, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
Take it or leave it, i dont care.
1.It is not the flag that is stopping you playing ap2.5
2.IT IS new security checks
3.ap2.5 will not work on new dash till the drive is modified and the discs are ripped properly to respond the correct checks to the dash.
4. Flagging DOES NOT stop you playing backups
5. Flagging will simply flag you for a ban.
Nobody can get ap2.5 to boot on new dash because AP2.5 ripped games will not work on new dash! Simple.
Yes some people can, due to patching and using the current LT and using hitachi/ samsung. But thats a different story.
Bottom line, dont update and WAIT FOR LT+
If you do update dont sook about ap2.5 Please!
Just wait.
If your flagged its your own fault and nobody can/will help you. You will simply be banned im the future.
Awesome.
Loggio.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 10, 2010, 02:33:00 PM
It starts out as speculation and rumors only to slowly turn into very real issues as the time log progresses from beta fall dashboard to official release.
You will notice as the thread continues that more and more reports of AP2.5 games "fable 3" so far is not loading once the AP2.5 ban accurs.
There has been so much information/misinformation so far that we are still learning just what is going on but from what I have read that once you have failed the AP 2.5 the console gets flagged and at this time the Fable 3 games stop loading.
HERE is another thread to read on this issue. It had to be closed because people could not stay on topic but there again you will see indications of Fable 3 not loading once AP 2.5 flag has been set.
Me personally I dont even have a modded console so I have not tested this issue and wont be ether since it seems much easier and less hassle to just not have a modded console.
Post by: loggio on November 10, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Its because the game has ap2.5 and would never have ran properly on the kinnect dash in the first place
If it was working before then they were on dash 9199.
They move to new dash, run fable backup... Game boots, runs a check, fails ap2.5 and quits... Or game simply wont boot. As a result you're then flagged, and game tag corrupted. Game wont boot. Put in the original, with correct response and walla! Game boots.
Any copied game containing ap2.5 wont boot on new dash because it requires the correct response from the drive and disc.
If what you're saying is true then originals simply wouldnt load.
Post by: neutron_bomb on November 10, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 10 2010, 11:33 PM)
I think some of you guys may want to read THIS thread.
It starts out as speculation and rumors only to slowly turn into very real issues as the time log progresses from beta fall dashboard to official release.
You will notice as the thread continues that more and more reports of AP2.5 games "fable 3" so far is not loading once the AP2.5 ban accurs.
There has been so much information/misinformation so far that we are still learning just what is going on but from what I have read that once you have failed the AP 2.5 the console gets flagged and at this time the Fable 3 games stop loading.
HERE is another thread to read on this issue. It had to be closed because people could not stay on topic but there again you will see indications of Fable 3 not loading once AP 2.5 flag has been set.
Me personally I dont even have a modded console so I have not tested this issue and wont be ether since it seems much easier and less hassle to just not have a modded console.
Surely there is no way to test if the dash flag/block on AP2.5 games is permanent. Not until LT+ is out and AP2.5 game backups are tested on an AP2.5 fail/banned system?
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 10, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
QUOTE(mdoggie @ Nov 10 2010, 10:12 AM)
Were you EVER able to play a backup of Black ops? How about running the original disc? As most people have reported, my original of Black Ops has never had any problems, even after whatever the title update recently was. I don't see, at the moment, any change in XVAL status. Are you SUUUUUREEE you didn't try to play the bad rip that was reported to be floating around the 'nets? That may be flag-bait as opposed to any extra disc security.
If the issue IS "turning on" ap25 checks via a title update, the original should still be fine to use online with LT since its still reporting back the correct check values.
That's prolly what it is. The retail copy works great. It might be a bad rip. I started getting really paranoid. Sorry if I caused a panic
Post by: loggio on November 10, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
Theres nothing wrong with that.
But from what c4eva says, it has nothing to do with a flag
Consoles are always flagged for a ban, its just normally done online. This however has no effect on the game booting, just an indicator to microsoft that you're 'cheating the system' and you will b punnished.
Now that its done offline ap 2.5 work differently Yes because it checks piracy offline. Just like always protection against checks will be implemented in a new fw update and your backups will be seen as originals and boot. Doesnt matter if your flagged or not
Post by: Ranger72 on November 10, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Nov 10 2010, 05:53 PM)
He's just speculating afterall, its just a theory.
Theres nothing wrong with that.
But from what c4eva says, it has nothing to do with a flag
Consoles are always flagged for a ban, its just normally done online. This however has no effect on the game booting, just an indicator to microsoft that you're 'cheating the system' and you will b punnished.
Now that its done offline ap 2.5 work differently Yes because it checks piracy offline. Just like always protection against checks will be implemented in a new fw update and your backups will be seen as originals and boot. Doesnt matter if your flagged or not
So all those that claim the game does not boot after AP fail is just making it up?
I mean I have been on here a long time and have seen some really messed up claims and if they are just made up from someones fancy then they always get shot down but to me it seems way to many people are making the same claim and I doubt they can all be just made up shit. lol
Post by: loggio on November 10, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
I understand what your saying. But if it was the case then originals wouldnt boot. And the only ap2.5 game thats been tested is fabel.
Anyways. I guess to be fair, both of our point of views are based on what we've read and personally believe. And there is simply no proving each other wrong untill its been confirmed.
Lets wait for a progress update and LT+ to be sure.
But, im sorry for anyone flagged already, its bad luck. But for every mistake someone makes, there 1000 people learning from it. So in a way i thank you all.
Post by: Cooperjs1 on November 10, 2010, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Nombrrr1 on November 10, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Cooperjs1 @ Nov 10 2010, 03:53 PM)
My guess is that a lot of people think that when they get flagged, none of their backups will play anymore. The flagging doesn't stop any games from playing, It stops your console from signing in to XBOX Live. The new Kinect dash contains the AP 2.5 security check. If a game that should contain the AP 2.5 doesn't contain it, the console will see that it fails the AP 2.5 challenge and be flagged. When you update to the new dash, only games carrying AP 2.5 will no longer function.
Heres a new thought for everyone to ponder. What happens if it take my not modded xbox 360 with the new kinect dash and put a backup game in it?
What do you think will happen? I think it says unreadable disc error and wont have a chance to flag my console because it doesnt get that far into the check... interesting stuff i think...
Post by: schumy on November 11, 2010, 06:12:00 AM
but i noticed that the dash version is not the latest that i have on the unmodded 360
Post by: dc-x3 on November 11, 2010, 06:36:00 AM
Post by: Renova on November 11, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
QUOTE(dc-x3 @ Nov 11 2010, 02:36 PM)
After reading this I have updated my console via USB method, and chucked in my back up copy of Fable 3 as a tester, of course it failed, to read the disk. Now I have been online for some time now and still no flag/ban code has appeared, so it appears the offline method seems to have worked this time around. :S
Did you use the xval program to check if you've been flagged? I never saw where it said you will be "banned", only flagged. As far as anyone is concerned, flagging consoles is the only known step this ap2.5 does as well as make the game "Fable 3" fail to boot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm here to learn.
Post by: new guy76 on November 11, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: dc-x3 on November 11, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Renova @ Nov 12 2010, 03:48 AM)
Did you use the xval program to check if you've been flagged? I never saw where it said you will be "banned", only flagged. As far as anyone is concerned, flagging consoles is the only known step this ap2.5 does as well as make the game "Fable 3" fail to boot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm here to learn.
Yer mate checked with Xval and still shows clean not even a flag
Post by: dc-x3 on November 12, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: schumy on November 12, 2010, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Lfctony on November 13, 2010, 07:55:00 AM
QUOTE(schumy @ Nov 13 2010, 01:53 AM)
im on new dash so no backup of 2.5 games for now, if i spoof a samsung drive instead of my benq 2.5 games will work? im already banned and 2.5 flagged so no problem for that
I believe Samsung drives work only if they are not spoofed...
This post has been edited by Lfctony: Nov 13 2010, 03:55 PM
Post by: Tobeme on November 13, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: yyyxxx on November 13, 2010, 11:05:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 13, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Tobeme @ Nov 13 2010, 10:10 AM)
man how i need that new LT+ i think i am gonna explode if i don't play assassins creed
Just play the retail game disk preferably on a non modded console and you will be fine.
Post by: heilhead on November 13, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Lfctony @ Nov 13 2010, 04:55 PM)
I believe Samsung drives work only if they are not spoofed...
i've tried my ms28 with and without spoof - nothing works. any advice?
Post by: userix on November 13, 2010, 05:17:00 PM
Post by: userix on November 13, 2010, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(userix @ Nov 14 2010, 01:17 AM)
Running Hitachi 78k and got flagged "Failed AP25 Challenge" Xval. Guess there is no way to undo it? Load an official copy of the same game to make it pass AP25 challenge?
I haven't connected my xbox to internet since the update and the update was done from the game disc too. So I know that it's only flagged in the console right now and not server side with M$.
Xval code was something like this: 00000000000001 (not sure of the number of zeros, but essentially a '1' value)
This post has been edited by userix: Nov 14 2010, 03:21 AM
Post by: nutstone on November 14, 2010, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(userix @ Nov 14 2010, 01:17 AM)
Running Hitachi 78k and got flagged "Failed AP25 Challenge" Xval. Guess there is no way to undo it? Load an official copy of the same game to make it pass AP25 challenge?
Was it AC:B that got you flagged? Can you still load up the games offline? Any ideas if your profile is corrupted?
Sorry for all the questions got about a million of them at the mo. I have a 0078 that stays offline but i switch my profile between that and my LT elite for online. Both have clean secdata so far. I really wanna see AC:B.
Post by: Andy_K on November 14, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
Post by: TudorBlue on November 14, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: thklinge on November 14, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: TudorBlue on November 14, 2010, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 14 2010, 05:26 PM)
Got a banned console that says "disc unreadable" if I try to update the dash via retail disc (Kinect Adventures), is there a workaround?
Pass! I wouldnt know. I hope also hope that the team that brought out the wave patchers are hard at work on a new wave changer app/software
Post by: userix on November 14, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(nutstone @ Nov 14 2010, 02:55 PM)
Was it AC:B that got you flagged? Can you still load up the games offline? Any ideas if your profile is corrupted?
Sorry for all the questions got about a million of them at the mo. I have a 0078 that stays offline but i switch my profile between that and my LT elite for online. Both have clean secdata so far. I really wanna see AC:B.
No worries with the questions. I have tons of them myself too. yeah it was AC:B. I can still load all my old games with no problem and some newer games that don't have AP2.5. Profile and all old and new gamesaves still works as well, no corruption. But then again, this console was never connected to the internet ever since I bought it, so it's not flagged server side. Only flagged in the console with that Xval mentioned previously (00000000001). It was stupidity on my part for trying to load AC:B because I was under the assumption that 78k hitachis do not support AP2.5 and thus wouldn't be able to throw a "AP25 challenge failed" Xval.
Post by: nutstone on November 15, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
QUOTE(userix @ Nov 14 2010, 07:44 PM)
No worries with the questions. I have tons of them myself too. yeah it was AC:B. I can still load all my old games with no problem and some newer games that don't have AP2.5. Profile and all old and new gamesaves still works as well, no corruption. But then again, this console was never connected to the internet ever since I bought it, so it's not flagged server side. Only flagged in the console with that Xval mentioned previously (00000000001). It was stupidity on my part for trying to load AC:B because I was under the assumption that 78k hitachis do not support AP2.5 and thus wouldn't be able to throw a "AP25 challenge failed" Xval.
Yeah i've been led to believe 78's are ok, there's a vid on youtube showing a guy running fable 3, new dash on a 78. I guess Fable 3 doesn't work on yours? I'll wait and see for now but seeing as c4eva's not doing a hitachi LT+
I think I'll end up just doing it anyway as long as I can still swap profiles between my 2 consoles.
Post by: thklinge on November 15, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: nutstone on November 15, 2010, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(thklinge @ Nov 15 2010, 07:48 PM)
The 360 that wouldn't install the Kinect dash is currently hooked up to my computer, reading out the nand. Someone at #fw suggested that uncripling was the way to go to get the new dash installed. It's a shitty old box and I'll be happy to do some testing with it. If I get the new dash in there I can test NFS or Fable 3 as the drive is a 78FK, produced in aug '06. I guess I will be flagged as the box is already banned, and that should make AP2.5 games unstartable, unless the drive skips AP2.5, right? So a surefire way to check if the 78FK really disregards AP2.5, from what I can gather?
I'd be interested to know how you get on. Report back.
Post by: elcappo on November 15, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
The new Assassin Creed and NFS, works too?
Can someone confirm it?
THX IN ADVANCE
Post by: nevernamed on November 15, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(elcappo @ Nov 15 2010, 10:22 PM)
I have a question... i tested FABLE 3 on a 59, 78 and 79 hitachi and IT WORKS...
The new Assassin Creed and NFS, works too?
Can someone confirm it?
THX IN ADVANCE
Why dont you test it yourself instead of asking stupid time wasting questions, since you 'tested' fable..
Post by: elcappo on November 15, 2010, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(nevernamed @ Nov 15 2010, 10:32 PM)
Why dont you test it yourself instead of asking stupid time wasting questions, since you 'tested' fable..
Cause i dont have that games.
Post by: nevernamed on November 15, 2010, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(elcappo @ Nov 15 2010, 10:38 PM)
Cause i dont have that games.
Then it probably doesn't matter if it works or doesn't.. Does it?
And besides, isn't your drive one of the ones that doesn't do the checks?!?
Post by: godofallcows on November 16, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
Has anyone played it safely? I really want to play it because I haven't updated yet and I need something to play offline...
Post by: Reaper527 on November 16, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Nombrrr1 @ Nov 11 2010, 12:44 AM)
Heres a new thought for everyone to ponder. What happens if it take my not modded xbox 360 with the new kinect dash and put a backup game in it?
What do you think will happen? I think it says unreadable disc error and wont have a chance to flag my console because it doesnt get that far into the check... interesting stuff i think...
i'm pretty sure you are just going to get the "put this disc an xbox360 console" video file. a burned disc shouldn't get far enough in the booting process to even see an ap2.5 check
Post by: TudorBlue on November 16, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
QUOTE(godofallcows @ Nov 16 2010, 09:16 PM)
Does anyone know if FIFA 11 has AP2.5, I haven't heard that it does but FIFA 09 did, so I'm wondering if they kept it?
Has anyone played it safely? I really want to play it because I haven't updated yet and I need something to play offline...
Niether fifa 09 or Fifa 11 is an AP 2.5 game. Whny would Fifa 09 be an AP 2.5 and Fifa 2010 South Africa or Fifa 2011 arent? Ive played all 3 games without any trouble but that was on a banned xbox. If you want to risk playing on line then its up to you, its your choice. If you get banned then you only have yourself to blame
Post by: Pressmantrev on November 17, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: userix on November 18, 2010, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(nutstone @ Nov 15 2010, 08:18 PM)
Yeah i've been led to believe 78's are ok, there's a vid on youtube showing a guy running fable 3, new dash on a 78. I guess Fable 3 doesn't work on yours? I'll wait and see for now but seeing as c4eva's not doing a hitachi LT+
I think I'll end up just doing it anyway as long as I can still swap profiles between my 2 consoles.
I am going to try fable 3 this weekend, but seeing how my Xval is flagged with a failed ap2.5 challenge, that must mean my hitachi 78k supports AP2.5
Post by: Gupper on November 19, 2010, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: man0fdoom on November 19, 2010, 04:06:00 AM
QUOTE(xxANARCHYxx707 @ Nov 1 2010, 03:34 PM)
so which have ap25 besides fable 3
Need for speed HP have it.
Post by: man0fdoom on November 19, 2010, 04:25:00 AM
Xbox live still works.
If I get banned in future,
then if i update to new firmware lt+
then will I be able to play NFS and other games backups including newer ones AP25?
Post by: bullka on November 19, 2010, 04:45:00 AM
QUOTE(man0fdoom @ Nov 19 2010, 01:25 PM)
Tried NFS HP, checked with xval says AP25 failed.
Xbox live still works.
If I get banned in future,
then if i update to new firmware lt+
then will I be able to play NFS and other games backups including newer ones AP25?
[2010-11-18 08:14PM] <*****> So what I'm wondering is this: If the box is already flagged on new dash, IE not playing AP2.5 games, will the new upgrade to LT+ then enable playing these games again?
[2010-11-18 08:17PM] <c4eva> *****:yes
Post by: gazza1988 on November 19, 2010, 04:58:00 AM
does it matter when i flashed my drive? i have the new dashboard (kinect) and then a few days later i flashed my liteon 78450c to the latest 1.1 firmware
i assume i can play all originals (inc fable 3 and NFS:HP) but not backups of ap2.5 games
i havent connected to xbox live since i updated the firmware (did this on monday)
i dont play games online, i only download dlc/games updates)
if i never go online with it ever again can i play the backups of NFS:HP and fable3 now or do i have to wait untill LT+
one post states that i can play them but never go online or i will be banned and my files corrupt. another says it will corrupt my files without needing to go online.
which of those statements is true
Post by: man0fdoom on November 19, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(bullka @ Nov 19 2010, 12:45 PM)
[2010-11-18 08:14PM] <*****> So what I'm wondering is this: If the box is already flagged on new dash, IE not playing AP2.5 games, will the new upgrade to LT+ then enable playing these games again?
[2010-11-18 08:17PM] <c4eva> *****:yes
what if my box gets perm banned?
and if it gets banned, then can I still hoop up kinect to it and play kinect games?
Post by: Reaper527 on November 19, 2010, 06:22:00 AM
QUOTE(man0fdoom @ Nov 19 2010, 08:05 AM)
and if it gets banned, then can I still hoop up kinect to it and play kinect games?
yes. you will just have to play kinect offline.
Post by: bullka on November 19, 2010, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 19 2010, 03:22 PM)
yes. you will just have to play kinect offline.
I heard some time ago that you need to be connected to Live to hook up and configure Kinect Sensor. Is that correct? Or maybe that (Live) was needed just to download the new Dash and all the rest can be configured offline?
Post by: userix on November 19, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Gupper @ Nov 19 2010, 11:33 AM)
Just to update, I have a liteon drive and 1.1 software. The retail version of Fable 3 does not work on this setup. It gets flaged as an unreadable diske. However the console has not been flagged.
So even retail copies of fable 3 will not boot on ixtreme drives? I have a hitachi 78k with ie 1.51 and it was not able to boot AC:B backup copy. I also got a console flagged xval "Failed AP25 Challenge"
Post by: floydphish04 on November 21, 2010, 06:13:00 PM
I have a 360 with a BenQ drive flashed with ixtreme 1.4 i believe. This console has been offline and unbanned since the Forza 3 fiasco last year (when my gamertag got banned). It was likely flagged, which is why I kept it offline. I also have a new slim 360 which has original FW and I use for originals and Live. I had been using a flash drive to move my profile between consoles.
So my BenQ 360 has the newest dash (installed via flash drive) and booted Fable 3 fine and The Sims 3 fine. So, I kind of figured AP2.5 had no effect on my Ixtreme 1.4 flashed drive. However, last night i tried to boot NFS:HP and got the dirty disc message. Now, my profile gets corrupted when going from flashed system to the slim 360 (as expected, i suppose).
So now the questions...
1. Any idea why Fable 3 and Sims 3 worked fine on the system, but NFS:HP messed it up?
2. Does it have something to do with SSV2 vs SSV3? See, I dont know much about SSV2/3 and am not even sure which versions Fable 3/Sims 3/NFS:HP are. If one AP2.5 game worked fine, why did the other not?
3. Also, I've ordered a used 360 with a Samsung drive. If this is kept offline and flashed with LT1.0, it should be safe to play AP2.5 games (offline of course), correct? I believe it was mentioned that Samsung 360's skip the AP2.5 checks. I just dont want it to get to a state where it corrupts my profile.
Thanks for all the help, love the scene. Sorry if this has been discussed, I may have just missed it.
Post by: userix on November 23, 2010, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(mpq1671 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:31 AM)
That can be tested right now btw. If some1 have drive flashed with any iXtreme FW, original Fable 3 and copy of it would be very helpful if he would:
1. Update console with new dashboard.
2. Launch Fable 3 COPY (it wont run of course).
3. Check flag status (using Xval 2.0, entering console serial number and X: value //everything can be found in Dashboard - Settings->System Data, or something like that, console should be flagged).
4. Launch ORIG Fable 3.
5. Check flag status again.
AP25 check would be performed again then maybe console will be unflagged + we will know is it possible to launch new games with flagged console.
Can/Did anyone test this theory out? Is it possible to unflag the "Failed AP25 Challenge"?
Post by: BrockSamson on December 21, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: Takashi on December 22, 2010, 12:14:00 AM