Post by: Xbox-Scene on October 30, 2010, 06:09:00 AM
C4E Confirms New AP2.5 Checks on New Dashboard with New Games Posted by XanTium | October 30 08:09 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| Here's a chatlog from C4E about the new protections ["AP2.5 Checks"] added to the (beta/leaked) fall 2010 dashboard with new games: [c4eva] New AP25 checks confirmed on new dash with fable 3, LT+ coming for required drives with SSv3 and anti AP25 included! [c4eva] there are 5 ap25 checks done when xex is launched! [c4eva] samsung doesnt have ap25 [c4eva] 360s LT+ will include this now [c4eva] samsung and some old hitachi dont have ap25 [c4eva] samsung wont do ap25, it will be skipped (safe) [c4eva] they will detect your drive changing to a samsung! [if you spoof to Samsung] [c4eva] confirmation will need to be done on released retail kinect dash! [c4eva] at this point, only new games check ap25! [c4eva] kreon=fail! The new final fall2010 dashboard is still expected to hit retail consoles on or before Nov 4th (Kinect release date). News-Source: #FW@EFnet |
Post by: Auyx on October 30, 2010, 06:13:00 AM
Post by: CaptainStu on October 30, 2010, 06:15:00 AM
Post by: the soul poet on October 30, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
Post by: Auyx on October 30, 2010, 06:19:00 AM
QUOTE(CaptainStu @ Oct 30 2010, 01:15 PM) 
What is ap2.5?
It is basicly flagging your machine up for a ban. I wish I knew more but you can look here for more info and to check if your machine is AP25 Flagged: HERE
Post by: Celerion on October 30, 2010, 06:20:00 AM
QUOTE
[2010-10-30 03:19PM] <c4eva> samsung and some old hitachi dont have ap25
[2010-10-30 03:22PM] <c4eva> samsung wont do ap25, it will be skipped (safe)
[2010-10-30 03:22PM] <c4eva> samsung wont do ap25, it will be skipped (safe)
Can anyone confirm that the Samsung drive is playing fable 3 copy with the new beta dash just fine? Because people with Samsung drives where reporting that they are unable to play fable 3 here on xbox-scene.
Post by: lukethecrasher on October 30, 2010, 06:49:00 AM
Post by: Its_me_again on October 30, 2010, 07:02:00 AM
Post by: kingdt on October 30, 2010, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Its_me_again @ Oct 30 2010, 02:02 PM) 
So, for the record: Fable 3 (and other games with ap25) on dash 9199 with LT firmware are safe?
From what i have been reading, i think that is correct, but as the new dash is coming next week, you havn't got much time left on live so make the most of it.
Post by: The_Doctor on October 30, 2010, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: octane_xcv on October 30, 2010, 07:09:00 AM
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[c4eva] kreon=fail!
Does this mean that kreons will be incapable of ripping games with ap25 and ssv3? will they be able to be used offline? I don't understand what this means...
lets hope the update isn't included on the game discs for some time
This post has been edited by octane_xcv: Oct 30 2010, 02:11 PM
Post by: audi_a8 on October 30, 2010, 07:16:00 AM
QUOTE(octane_xcv @ Oct 30 2010, 03:09 PM)
Does this mean that kreons will be incapable of ripping games with ap25 and ssv3? will they be able to be used offline? I don't understand what this means...
lets hope the update isn't included on the game discs for some time
Indeedly good news that the scene from now have to use 0800 only!
its almost christmas eve
Post by: Noupoi on October 30, 2010, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: brandogg on October 30, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
Post by: SnAQ on October 30, 2010, 07:46:00 AM
I wonder however, if c4eva or anybody else for that matter will be able to implement the new checks on FW for us without a 360Slim machine.
Now it´s just waiting time.
Thanks for the clarification c4eva, and keep up the awesome work.
It´s MUCH appriciated!
He said that LT+ is coming for required drives, i wonder if that means that he will create new firmwares for all current drives and "expand" LT+ for all drives which support AP25?
This post has been edited by SnAQ: Oct 30 2010, 02:48 PM
Post by: Petka12345 on October 30, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Has Write Firmware Xtreme 5.3 Fable III Not Play
Has Write Firmware Ixtreme LT 1.0 Fable III Not Play
Dashboard 12609
What's the problem?
Should work on Samsung
Post by: gamesquest1 on October 30, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
but one thing i have noticed is MS's convinient banwave every christmas so it gets boosted sales to show its share holders, even if LT for hitatchi does arrive before christmas ill just sit it out
i dont actually think MS cares about the piracy they just know if they ban everyone at christmas, 360 sales go up, otherwise these "new checks" wouldnt get implemented in oct-dec every year, banwave will hit late in november and ppl rush out in december,
WOW so many people want a 360 for christmas.....again
well he did mention about ss3 aswell so maybe that still applies to samsung drives and the ss3 is missing from your copy, just the 5 ap2.5 checks are missing from samsung drives
Post by: lenselijertje on October 30, 2010, 08:14:00 AM
Post by: BladeWing on October 30, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Chob on October 30, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: itoktoeatfish on October 30, 2010, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 30 2010, 04:17 PM)
If they way im reading it is true, then Sammy's and HItachi's are about to become popular. I'mma sell mine anyway. Wanna get rid of them.....and my rrod'ed jtag.
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Oct 30 2010, 02:09 PM)
[c4eva] they will detect your drive changing to a samsung! [if you spoof to Samsung]
read the post! If you spoof your drive they will know and likely get you banned!
Post by: gamesquest1 on October 30, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: mooch49 on October 30, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: seamonkeydo12 on October 30, 2010, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: neutron_bomb on October 30, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
I only use my 360 offline. I have never connected to live and never will.
Firstly, am I right to assume that eventually I will have to udate to the new dash (when they start putting it on discs)?
Second, when/if agbx is updated to include ap25 and ssv3 patching (for the ap25 check stored by the dash), will I then be able to carry on playing my backups on my LT1.1 with the kinnect dash, or will I need LT+ to do this?
Again, I'm not concerned about the ban hammer because I wont be going online.
Post by: catman25 on October 30, 2010, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: Chob on October 30, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(itoktoeatfish @ Oct 30 2010, 04:02 PM)
read the post! If you spoof your drive they will know and likely get you banned!
That's if you spoof TO samsung, what if you spoof FROM samsung?!
Post by: kingdt on October 30, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
QUOTE(mooch49 @ Oct 30 2010, 04:10 PM)
what happens if you play exclusively offline. i just got a refurb falcon with a benq and flashed it to LT 1.2. i updated dash to 9199 through a cd. fable 3 plays fine. i guess my question is will the dash need to be updated to play new games or will the disc update the dash to make new games play.
Future games may rely on an updated dashboard to play, not sure on the legalities though. So if you patch COD 7 (if one comes out in the future) to an older wave, it might detect you have been a naughty boy and spank your xbox.
If you have a jtag however, you might be fine. Just hoping that they will be updatable to the latest dash, if kinect is any good, i might consider getting one, but don't want one enough to buy another 360.
Post by: thugnasty101 on October 30, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
thanks for the info and keep up the good work C4E <3
This post has been edited by thugnasty101: Oct 30 2010, 04:31 PM
Post by: Lsd on October 30, 2010, 09:41:00 AM
http://www.xbox-scen...kAAaUBamRKh.php
you are welcome. Feel free to start wild speculation about what this means. Much of which, will be totally retarded.
Post by: bucko on October 30, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
QUOTE
The new final fall2010 dashboard is still expected to hit retail consoles on or before Nov 4th (Kinect release date).
this has been denied by Major Nelson
Post by: moh.sakhaii on October 30, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
No infinite checks after all, to all stupids out there
Post by: Muzzakus on October 30, 2010, 09:50:00 AM
E.g replacing Factory benq with samsung identified as samsung
Post by: iispyderii on October 30, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Oct 30 2010, 11:50 AM)
What about putting in a samsung drive with no spoofing.
E.g replacing Factory benq with samsung identified as samsung
Are you fucking retarded? Read the Goddamn post. If you spoof to Samsung, they WILL detect it.
For all the others, you can play ANY game on the non-Kinect dashboard.
When you update to the Kinect dashboard you will only be able to play non-new games (basically everything except Fable 3 and most likely games released in the near future)
I'm just glad Fallout New Vegas doesn't has Anti-Piracy 2.5.
Post by: BladeWing on October 30, 2010, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Oct 30 2010, 04:50 PM)
What about putting in a samsung drive with no spoofing.
E.g replacing Factory benq with samsung identified as samsung
Wouldnt work because the xbox is expecting a Benq drive, thus it wouldnt work, correct key or not.
Post by: zainday on October 30, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
At that time, new game will be detected for banning unless you have a samsung or older hitachi.
All other will need to stay offline until LT+ comes out, then update or you will most likely get banned...
I think that's whats being said in a backwards kinda way....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: Muzzakus on October 30, 2010, 10:20:00 AM
QUOTE(iispyderii @ Oct 30 2010, 04:09 PM)
Are you fucking retarded? Read the Goddamn post. If you spoof to Samsung, they WILL detect it.
For all the others, you can play ANY game on the non-Kinect dashboard.
When you update to the Kinect dashboard you will only be able to play non-new games (basically everything except Fable 3 and most likely games released in the near future)
I'm just glad Fallout New Vegas doesn't has Anti-Piracy 2.5.
I'm sorry to day kiddo, but itonically you are the retarded one. That is not spoofing. I'll let you find out what it is, although it may be somewhat difficult for you, being retarded and all. Hahaha
Post by: skyliner99 on October 30, 2010, 10:21:00 AM
However, if I remember correctly, you can remove the flags by deleting the newest sec.bin entries in your NAND because it stores backups to revert to... Someone wanna confirm this and/or if its possible to do?
Just hoping it could save some people from the mighty banhammer
Post by: Muzzakus on October 30, 2010, 10:23:00 AM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 30 2010, 04:11 PM)
Wouldnt work because the xbox is expecting a Benq drive, thus it wouldnt work, correct key or not.
Unless I'm wrong, motherboard + drive brand marridge restriction was removed in previous updates. Is it back ?
Post by: gamesquest1 on October 30, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
and the fact people on 9199 are having trouble booting fable 3 aswell i can only presume ap2.5 has actually been implimented within the dash for some time so being on the latest dash or not with have no standing on detectability all we need to know is if failiures to pass ss3 or ap2.5 is passed on to ms in anyway over live aka stored on flash and reported when connected to live if this is the case expect a banwave bigger than ever if games since fifa 09 actually have had these new checks, but booted regardless.
or perhaps the fable 3 xex actually does its own check and wont boot if you failed where as previous ss3/ap2.5 games have not had the additional xex checks
or maybe the link saying ss3 and ap2.5 was wrong idk just my interpritayion on the situation, i am not c4e or something so ill wait to see what he says on the situation
eigther way i think we need to know if its the dash rejecting fable 3 or the games xex, or the last option of the dvd drive rejecting
Post by: djkneegrow on October 30, 2010, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(The_Doctor @ Oct 30 2010, 08:09 AM)
do the non stealth firmwares have a problem with ap2.5? specifically the benq 1.41 nonstealth firmware
I would like to know this too. Would be nice if the non stealth didn't have any worries. I have a non stealth that I don't play online so this info would be helpful for many of us.
Thanks to anyone who can or does answer this.
Post by: Zod5000 on October 30, 2010, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Auyx @ Oct 30 2010, 06:13 AM)
This is good news but the first thing I want to know is will LT+ allow new games to be played on machines already AP25 flagged?
I don't think a new firmware could do anything about a console that is already flagged. So I think you're asking the wrong question.
You should be asking, what will microsoft being doing to flagged consoles?
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=722674
Post by: vegasmtv on October 30, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
I have been able to play Fable III on the Liteon flashed 360 without any problems. That console i never take online. Having played Fable on the 360 i assume i have been AP2.5 flagged. However as i never take the console online this should not be an issue.
For those with 2 360s, one for online and one for offline, If we wait till the LT+ firmware comes out and put that on the 360 we can then update the dash on the modded 360 and continue to play backups on there.
The only thing is i put my gamer profile on a usb stick and transfer between the two consoles, i hope i can continue to do this when the new dash is out and we are waiting for LT+.
I assume we should not run into any problems? As even if you have played Fable 3, the fact the consoles never online they can not ban it.
I am guessing there are many others out there in my situation, who have two 360s one for online one for offline.
This post has been edited by vegasmtv: Oct 30 2010, 06:23 PM
Post by: BorisX on October 30, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Oct 30 2010, 06:19 PM)
I have two xbox 360s, one for online (Xbox 360slim) and one for offline (xbox 360 512mg arcade with lite-on 8 series drive).
I have been able to play Fable III on the Liteon flashed 360 without any problems. That console i never take online. Having played Fable on the 360 i assume i have been AP2.5 flagged. However as i never take the console online this should not be an issue.
For those with 2 360s, one for online and one for offline, If we wait till the LT+ firmware comes out and put that on the 360 we can then update the dash on the modded 360 and continue to play backups on there.
The only thing is i put my gamer profile on a usb stick and transfer between the two consoles, i hope i can continue to do this when the new dash is out and we are waiting for LT+.
I assume we should not run into any problems? As even if you have played Fable 3, the fact the consoles never online they can not ban it.
I am guessing there are many others out there in my situation, who have two 360s one for online one for offline.
Same boat as you, hoping the new dash doesn't limit us from switching our gamertags between consoles without it
Post by: tomgreen99200 on October 30, 2010, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: vegasmtv on October 30, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE(BorisX @ Oct 30 2010, 06:42 PM)
Same boat as you, hoping the new dash doesn't limit us from switching our gamertags between consoles without it
Thats the main thing for people with two consoles. Even though ive played Fable 3 without any problems, i assume its tagged my 360 but thats not an issue since its never online. I do hope i can still switch profiles without an issue.
I know if you put your HDD from a 360 with the newer dash it will update any console its put on, but what if you transfer profiles using a USB stick, does that force a dash board update???
Post by: InvidiousDemise on October 30, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: krawhitham on October 30, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
This post has been edited by krawhitham: Oct 30 2010, 07:29 PM
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on October 30, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: evans05 on October 30, 2010, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Oct 30 2010, 07:48 PM)
I know if you put your HDD from a 360 with the newer dash it will update any console its put on, but what if you transfer profiles using a USB stick, does that force a dash board update???
not the case anymore mate, seems to be a security section that denies the xbox being updated if its not on official beta, iv been trying to update my flashed hitachi box to try fable 3 on latest beta build, but when i put hard drive on it just boots to old dashboard
Post by: BladeWing on October 30, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Oct 30 2010, 05:23 PM)
Unless I'm wrong, motherboard + drive brand marridge restriction was removed in previous updates. Is it back ?
I don't remember hearing about that, so someone else would need to confirm or deny it.
Post by: krawhitham on October 30, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
The new checks were 1st found in Fifa 09 on 21 April 2009, one would think every game since then had these checks but continues to run even it the checks failed. This was done to gather information. Now with the new Fable game & Dashboard they have started to block games that fail the checks.
So they have been gathering info and users for the a ban wave since April of 09
gigantic might be an gigantic understatement
Post by: The_Ocelot2 on October 30, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on October 30, 2010, 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE(moh.sakhaii @ Oct 30 2010, 10:49 AM)
Looks like C4eva delivered again, while tiros said we are dealing with infinite checks, c4eva proved otherwise.
No infinite checks after all, to all stupids out there
The number of possible checks is still essentially infinite. That hasn't changed. Whether or not that can be gotten around is another story all together.
Post by: krawhitham on October 30, 2010, 12:46:00 PM
QUOTE(moh.sakhaii @ Oct 30 2010, 04:49 PM)
Looks like C4eva delivered again, while tiros said we are dealing with infinite checks, c4eva proved otherwise.
No infinite checks after all, to all stupids out there
And how many times has c4eva said his firmware is safe to later get hit by a ban wave?
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Oct 30 2010, 06:19 PM)
I have two xbox 360s, one for online (Xbox 360slim) and one for offline (xbox 360 512mg arcade with lite-on 8 series drive).
I have been able to play Fable III on the Liteon flashed 360 without any problems. That console i never take online. Having played Fable on the 360 i assume i have been AP2.5 flagged. However as i never take the console online this should not be an issue.
For those with 2 360s, one for online and one for offline, If we wait till the LT+ firmware comes out and put that on the 360 we can then update the dash on the modded 360 and continue to play backups on there.
The only thing is i put my gamer profile on a usb stick and transfer between the two consoles, i hope i can continue to do this when the new dash is out and we are waiting for LT+.
I assume we should not run into any problems? As even if you have played Fable 3, the fact the consoles never online they can not ban it.
I am guessing there are many others out there in my situation, who have two 360s one for online one for offline.
The AP25 challenge failed flag causes gamertag corruption whether your console is online or offline. It doesn't matter if your console has never been connected to Live. If you play any affected game and get the "This disc is unreadable" error, that's it - no more swapping gamertags between consoles. It's not like previous ban waves where your console was flagged, but the actual effects of the flagging didn't activate until you connected to Live and got the "you're banned!" message. Just being flagged is enough now.
If your console hasn't been flagged and you wait for LT+, you should be OK (assuming LT+ does its job), as the new firmware should combat these new checks and your flashed console shouldn't fail the AP25 challenge (which is what causes the gamertag corruption) as long as your backups are 100% spot on.
QUOTE
And how many times has c4eva said his firmware is safe to later get hit by a ban wave?
No firmware can be future proof. How was c4eva supposed to know how this new protection works before it was even released? They have to analyse how it works (which means it actually has to exist first) and then do things to combat it. I don't see why anyone would give c4eva (or anyone else involved in creating the firmware) shit, because without people like that nobody would be playing backups.
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 30 2010, 07:53 PM
Post by: kingdt on October 30, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(bucko @ Oct 30 2010, 04:46 PM)
this has been denied by Major Nelson
He would. I'm assuming you will need the new dashboard for kinect to work? If that is the case, then they will have to release it next week and Major Nelson is making himself look like an arse. If you don't need the updated dash for kinect, i may well put my order in.
Post by: moh.sakhaii on October 30, 2010, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Oct 30 2010, 10:16 PM)
And how many times has c4eva said his firmware is safe to later get hit by a ban wave?
And how many times someone else beside C4eva has done something useful for the xbox360 scene??
JTAG only runs on a minority number of consoles so you can not even count that.
Besides, the fact that there is new checks proves that Microsoft can not detect LT itself, but is using these new checks instead. Therefore LT is a success I say.
This post has been edited by moh.sakhaii: Oct 30 2010, 07:54 PM
Post by: hydroxycut3 on October 30, 2010, 12:56:00 PM
Since sammys don't support AP25 they are in the clear?
So sammys are about to become popular?
I have LT'd sammy which is why im asking.
Post by: brandogg on October 30, 2010, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: xboxmods2977 on October 30, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
QUOTE(hydroxycut3 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:56 PM)
So let me get this straight.
Since sammys don't support AP25 they are in the clear?
So sammys are about to become popular?
I have LT'd sammy which is why im asking.
How can the demand of the Sammy go up if you cannot use a brand drive other than what was in your xbox to start? People that have Benq, Hitachi, or LG cannot use a Sammy because they can no longer be spoofed safely with the AP 2.5 check. Correct?
Post by: Celerion on October 30, 2010, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(hydroxycut3 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:56 PM)
So let me get this straight.
Since sammys don't support AP25 they are in the clear?
So sammys are about to become popular?
I have LT'd sammy which is why im asking.
People with the Samsung drive (Not spoofed) are reporting that they can't play Fable 3 with the new dash. If that was true this would not happen. So either everyone that has reported Fable 3 not working on his Samsung is lying or c4eva is missing something here.
This post has been edited by Celerion: Oct 30 2010, 08:15 PM
Post by: rasteriori on October 30, 2010, 01:31:00 PM
Thanks in advance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
This post has been edited by rasteriori: Oct 30 2010, 08:59 PM
Post by: blavoie77 on October 30, 2010, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 30 2010, 02:36 PM)
I don't remember hearing about that, so someone else would need to confirm or deny it.
Fixed two consoles recently with drives different than the original ones, so it works, unless they re-enabled it in the most recent dashboard.
One console had a defective Samsung drive, from which I extracted the key and then simply reflashed on a Hitachi, without spoofing it.
The other one had a BenQ and the guy brought me a Samsung he pulled from another RROD console. There again, reflashed the Samsung with the key from the BenQ, without spoofing it.
I reflashed both drives with stock firmwares.
One thing though - this was just a few weeks ago. I have no clue if it triggered a flag that will later ban those consoles, I haven't done the XVal checks on those (never really cared since I was reflashing to stock firmware). I don't think they've been banning during that period of time, as one guy brought me an older Xenon model for repairs, it had a Hitachi drive flashed with iXtreme 1.51 and he was able to update his dashboard and play a few games on XBOX Live afterwards. However, no clue about the XVal modification.
One possible explanation for the removal of this check might be a legal issue - I'm not sure, but it may be illegal in some countries to force you to use a specific repair center service (ie. Microsoft and its insane fees) to have repairs done on something you legally bought and own. When you buy a car, you're not tied up to the place where you bought it - you can have it fixed by a mechanic you trust, or can even fix it yourself if you have the knowledge and skills. It may be the same thing with a console - I understand it may void your warranty if you're still covered to open it, but for someone outside his warranty period, if all he does is replace a defective part with another (I'm not talking about using a modified firmware here, just stock), I don't see how they could justify banning your console from going online. This is just an hypothesis though.
Post by: DMagic1 on October 30, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 30 2010, 11:36 AM)
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Oct 30 2010, 09:23 AM)
Unless I'm wrong, motherboard + drive brand marridge restriction was removed in previous updates. Is it back ?
I don't remember hearing about that, so someone else would need to confirm or deny it.
Muzzakus is correct. They removed that limitation in a previous update.
Post by: dragoscojan on October 30, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(DMagic1 @ Oct 30 2010, 10:39 PM)
I don't remember hearing about that, so someone else would need to confirm or deny it.
Muzzakus is correct. They removed that limitation in a previous update.
doesn't the console give E66 if you don't spoof the drive?i had this happen a few months ago,when replacing a samsung with a Liteon flashed with LT (which you cant spoof).i ended up flashing 1.61 non stealth on the liteon and spoofing it,to get it to work.
This post has been edited by dragoscojan: Oct 30 2010, 08:51 PM
Post by: DMagic1 on October 30, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Oct 30 2010, 12:51 PM)
doesn't the console give E66 if you don't spoof the drive?i had this happen a few months ago,when replacing a samsung with a Liteon flashed with LT (which you cant spoof).i ended up flashing 1.61 non stealth on the liteon and spoofing it,to get it to work.
Shouldnt if the software is up to date.
Post by: moh.sakhaii on October 30, 2010, 01:56:00 PM
Remember, piracy is against the forum's rules.
This post has been edited by moh.sakhaii: Oct 30 2010, 09:13 PM
Post by: rasteriori on October 30, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(moh.sakhaii @ Oct 30 2010, 02:56 PM)
Remember, piracy is against the forum's rules.
Ok man, my bad, post edited, do you know any information of new games with this security?
Thanks in advance...
Post by: bludd on October 30, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: clerick on October 30, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(bludd @ Oct 30 2010, 09:06 PM)
So if microsoft doesn't force a dashboard upgrade, people could use offline consoles with old versions of the dashboard to still play "new" games like fable 3 now?
Sounds like it but i'm pretty sure forced updates are to come on all new game disks.
Post by: moh.sakhaii on October 30, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(rasteriori @ Oct 30 2010, 11:33 PM)
Ok man, my bad, post edited, do you know any information of new games with this security?
Thanks in advance...
As I know it's just fable 3, none knows more.
Post by: kneehighspy on October 30, 2010, 02:20:00 PM
the last current title (non xbla) shows up as being played on 9/2009. so it seems that after 9/2009, any title played on an offline unit show up as being played on 1/1/1753 (on my listings). to me it seems that something could have been implemented on or before 9/2009.
if this is the case then apparently checks were started earlier than the kinect beta dash, or it has something to do with wave patching newer titles to an older wave perhaps.
secdata is clean on both consoles.
Post by: rafinhalive on October 30, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
The backups we made it before, i mean games from early 2010 with ssv2 will flag our consoles? will we need make new backups with ssv3 to keep playing some old games without ban?
Can someone confirm if ap 2.5 check is on all games since fifa 09 or only in fifa 09 brought it?
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(bludd @ Oct 30 2010, 01:06 PM)
So if microsoft doesn't force a dashboard upgrade, people could use offline consoles with old versions of the dashboard to still play "new" games like fable 3 now?
newer games have dashboard built in so unless there's a way to remove that and then burn the .iso?
Post by: Chob on October 30, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 10:32 PM)
newer games have dashboard built in so unless there's a way to remove that and then burn the .iso?
If new games had the dashboard update, fable 3 wouldn't be released.....
Post by: Aldanga on October 30, 2010, 03:42:00 PM
As for removing/rolling back the update on the discs: that's entirely possible.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 03:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Chob @ Oct 30 2010, 02:40 PM)
If new games had the dashboard update, fable 3 wouldn't be released.....
I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all
Post by: Chob on October 30, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 10:42 PM)
I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all
Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though
Post by: prozac4312 on October 30, 2010, 03:59:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 30, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: DaShiZNiT on October 30, 2010, 04:02:00 PM
Obviously if LT+ can overcome these checks it will be the way to go for people that cannot go without live.
Post by: sidneysides on October 30, 2010, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Oct 30 2010, 07:37 PM)
This is going to a gigantic ban wave.
The new checks were 1st found in Fifa 09 on 21 April 2009, one would think every game since then had these checks but continues to run even it the checks failed. This was done to gather information. Now with the new Fable game & Dashboard they have started to block games that fail the checks.
So they have been gathering info and users for the a ban wave since April of 09
gigantic might be an gigantic understatement
But I have been playing loads of backups since then with LT FW and xval shows up as clean? If FIFA etc had led to a failed AP25 check on my machine, then I would get that in xval
Post by: Haygar on October 30, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Oct 31 2010, 08:42 AM)
Microsoft does eventually include the new dashboard update in games that are released. It's generally not as soon as the update is released, but usually several months down the line. That is why there are different wave versions.
As for removing/rolling back the update on the discs: that's entirely possible.
QUOTE
I meant future games will have the newer kinect dashboard on them and is it possible to remove that update from the .iso? Of course the content of the disk would change so online would no longer be possible but its better than not playing at all
Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though
Is it possible? Idk about that, I know it's fine to do it with a jtag but a non-jtag will throw up a "your console needs an update to play this game" or something like that. Unless the default.xex can be patched, but then doesn't this break the signing of the game?
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 30 2010, 03:00 PM)
Yeah, you can change 'waves', but if MS are clever they'll make it so new games require a component of the new dashboard etc.
Like PS3 does with modding
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 30, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(DaShiZNiT @ Oct 30 2010, 11:02 PM)
If you were going to risk playing it online, you would have the newest dashboard, and it wouldn't boot no matter what you did to the .iso. Making your point moot.
Are you talking to me? My point is valid if so, if they made it so future games required the latest dashboard and AP2.5 wasn't overcome then it would be game over for most people.
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:09 PM)
Like PS3 does with modding
Yep exactly.
Post by: sunfy8 on October 30, 2010, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(iwanttheagrocrag @ Oct 30 2010, 07:26 PM)
Its hammer time, have fun everyone!!!
for me,
1. not joining the live
2. dropping my gold membership
3. and 100% not buying the new motion thingy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Post by: djkneegrow on October 30, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 12:02 PM)
To the guys asking about non-stealth firmware, it makes no difference. You'll still be flagged if you try and boot Fable III. I had iXtreme 1.6 non-stealth installed when I started this topic: -
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=722674
I'm not worried about my offline system being flagged. I am wondering if the nonstealth firmware will play the new games with the new dashboard or if they will not load. Some newer game is going to end up making your system update to the new dashboard just like when the last new dashboard came out, so that is why I am wondering. Just didn't know if nonstealth will have a problem booting with the new dashboard or not.
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(djkneegrow @ Oct 31 2010, 12:04 AM)
I'm not worried about my offline system being flagged. I am wondering if the nonstealth firmware will play the new games with the new dashboard or if they will not load. Some newer game is going to end up making your system update to the new dashboard just like when the last new dashboard came out, so that is why I am wondering. Just didn't know if nonstealth will have a problem booting with the new dashboard or not.
Non-stealth firmware makes no difference with the Kinect dashboard. Fable 3 won't boot on it and if you try and boot it, your console is flagged and you can no longer swap your gamertag between consoles. I can confirm that 100%.
Does anyone know how we can identify games that are affected by AP2.5? Obviously, if you try and boot it and it says "This disc is unreadable" that's possibly a good sign, but there needs to be a way to identify them before they're booted. Is there a way?
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 12:17 AM
Post by: ddxcb on October 30, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Chob @ Oct 30 2010, 02:48 PM)
Yes, just open the iso and Remove $Systemupdate folder, but not recommended for live, though
ya but if the games xex u want to play have the 12***K SDK compiled and ur xbox still runs on the 9199. the game wont boot and you need the update to play it.
Post by: col12 on October 30, 2010, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: TouchyFlea on October 30, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
I have a slim and a old falcon 360 i used for flashing. I use my slims hard drive between the two only difference being is that my slim is in the beta preview as i signed up on it ages ago. I have no problems moving my HDD from the latest beta dash to an old dash and back again.
I have played fable 3 on my non updated then gone online with my slim to play borderlands etc everything is fine
Post by: Maximize on October 30, 2010, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 07:16 PM)
Non-stealth firmware makes no difference with the Kinect dashboard. Fable 3 won't boot on it and if you try and boot it, your console is flagged and you can no longer swap your gamertag between consoles. I can confirm that 100%.
Does anyone know how we can identify games that are affected by AP2.5? Obviously, if you try and boot it and it says "This disc is unreadable" that's possibly a good sign, but there needs to be a way to identify them before they're booted. Is there a way?
this is the only thing on my mind with this
Fable 3
Fifa 09
What else?
Post by: kneehighspy on October 30, 2010, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(TouchyFlea @ Oct 30 2010, 11:53 PM)
For those that have two consoles and are switching profiles between the two i am doing exactly the same.
I have a slim and a old falcon 360 i used for flashing. I use my slims hard drive between the two only difference being is that my slim is in the beta preview as i signed up on it ages ago. I have no problems moving my HDD from the latest beta dash to an old dash and back again.
I have played fable 3 on my non updated then gone online with my slim to play borderlands etc everything is fine
yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753. all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009. all xbla games show up as the correct date. i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.
also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves. i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.
Post by: TouchyFlea on October 30, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 31 2010, 01:59 AM)
yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753. all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009. all xbla games show up as the correct date. i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.
also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves. i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.
Yeah i get
Last Played
01/01/1753
on Fable 3 aswell, could just be the console dates since i don't go online and i've not set the time/date on it. My borderlands has the correct date though when i play on my slim which is:
Last Played
23/10/2010
Can't comment on the wavepatcher as i don't use it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 06:31:00 PM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 31 2010, 12:59 AM)
yeah same here, but check on live.xbox.com under 'games you've played' and see if any newer games you've played show up as last played on 1/1/1753. all my newer games do, and the last title that shows up played as a correct date was back in 9/2009. all xbla games show up as the correct date. i think any checks microsoft implemented kind of went into affect in 09/2009, and now newer checks are being implemented with the kinect dash.
also, all new games show up on wavespatcher as wave4, not any of the newer 5,6 or 7 waves. i guess wavespatcher hasn't been updated in a while to show newer waves other than 4 and below.
1/1/1753 is the earliest date allowed in SQL Server. Sometimes when the value is NULL, it changes it to 1/1/1753. I think it's just a bug in the way dates are displayed for games that have only been played offline, as the date should be displayed as "Never". It's happened in the past with achievements earned offline displaying that date instead of saying "Acquired". I can find threads on other forums going back before 09/2009 talking about it and I don't think it's a sign of any new checks being implemented in 2009.
On Xbox.com, all of the games I've played while connected to Live have correct "Last played" date stamps going back as far as 26/12/2007. Any games that have only been played offline have date stamps of 1/1/1753 when it should say "Never".
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 01:38 AM
Post by: TouchyFlea on October 30, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 02:31 AM)
1/1/1753 is the earliest date allowed in SQL Server. Sometimes when the value is NULL, it changes it to 1/1/1753. I think it's just a bug in the way dates are displayed for games that have only been played offline, as the date should be displayed as "Never". It's happened in the past with achievements earned offline displaying that date instead of saying "Acquired". I can find threads on other forums going back before 09/2009 talking about it and I don't think it's a sign of any new checks being implemented in 2009.
On Xbox.com, all of the games I've played have correct "Last played" date stamps going back as far as 26/12/2007. Any games that have only been played offline have date stamps of 1/1/1753 when it should say "Never".
Yeah sounds right only games i've played offline show that date all the rest which are played online using my slim are fine, for a while the game didn't show a date at all for last played.
They should fix it though looks stupid!
This post has been edited by TouchyFlea: Oct 31 2010, 01:39 AM
Post by: prozac4312 on October 30, 2010, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 30 2010, 04:43 PM)
time to sell up buy a slim and wait for lt+ ive got an elite that hasnt been touched black ops should keep me busy until the doctor releases lt+
thats exactly what M$ wants you to do, more $$$ for them
screw that
nobody even knows how LT+ will work with Slim yet and i would be suspicious of c4eva if it only works for Slim but not older 360s (Benq, Samsung, Liteon)
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(prozac4312 @ Oct 31 2010, 01:54 AM)
So if I'm on LT1.1 and I've never tried to boot Fable 3, am I safe(ish)? Should I go back to stock until LT+ is released?
Booting an affecting game seems to be the trigger. There's no current way of knowing which new releases are affected without trying to boot them though (that I'm aware of anyway), and that will flag your machine.
As for playing older titles, are they even safe? When Xorloser talked about AP2.5 being found in FIFA 09, it wasn't present in the game until an update was downloaded for it, then the media type changed. Taken from his blog: -
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I noticed the other day that when FIFA09 for Xbox360 is patched with the latest update, the flags that specify what media the game is allowed to run from have changed. Originally it was allowed to boot from a standard original Xbox360 disc, however now it is only allowed to boot from a new media type which is basically an updated version of the original Xbox360 disc type.
Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a new type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Dont say I didnt warn you
Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a new type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Dont say I didnt warn you
Does that mean that this protection can be added to older games via patches? Pure speculation by me of course, but personally if my console wasn't flagged already, I would flash it back to stock and stick with originals for the time being until we know more.
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 07:23:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:03 AM)
thats exactly what M$ wants you to do, more $$$ for them
These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.
Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".
Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!
Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 06:23 PM)
These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.
Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".
Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!
Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.
The banned 360 consoles never ban the live accounts which allows people to re-use those accounts on new system, if Microsoft really wanted to stop these users they would ban the live users or credit cards associated with it
1 million banned last year http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696
i was here last year and i got banned, people rushed out and bought a new console after they got banned
its not a conspiracy theory its fact that Microsoft benefits financially from these bannings each year as it pushes more console sales but will it work this year if newer games don't even work
This post has been edited by MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3: Oct 31 2010, 02:35 AM
Post by: booker21 on October 30, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 07:39:00 PM
Sony doesn't require a fee to play online so they lose nothing with that setup
Microsoft gets $40-60 from people playing online so thats a large chunk of change if they were to lose those users be it the modding community or regular users, if they really wanted they could stop users from going online but they don't because it wouldn't benefit them
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 30, 2010, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:33 AM) 
The banned 360 consoles never ban the live accounts which allows people to re-use those accounts on new system, if Microsoft really wanted to stop these users they would ban the live users or credit cards associated with it
1 million banned last year http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696
i was here last year and i got banned, people rushed out and bought a new console after they got banned
its not a conspiracy theory its fact that Microsoft benefits financially from these bannings each year as it pushes more console sales but will it work this year if newer games don't even work
First off, there's is no proof that MS banned 1 million consoles last year. In fact, they categorically denied it.
The original source for that figure was a blog, where an anonymous individual posted that his anonymous friend, who works in the MS call center, had been told to push for 1 million bans. This story was then picked up by other sites and it filtered its way through to the mainstream media, who didn't cite the original source (and that includes the article you linked to).
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Filipino blog Pinoy Cosplay reports that "a friend who works for a call center that handles an Xbox 360 account" has received instructions from Microsoft to -- get this -- "push for a million banned accounts by the time the holidays are over."
Of course, you can choose to believe anonymous guy whose anonymous friend works in the call centre, but then ask yourself this - Why would MS tell call centre staff to "push for 1 million bans"? Explain to me how a call centre worker can ban people.
Your other argument is that MS don't ban accounts as well as consoles because they want people to use their account on a new system, which they can ban again, and so on. This is utter nonsense as well, as if they did ban accounts as well as consoles, people would pay MS more money to get a new Xbox Live Gold account as well as buying a new console.
It's clear that you're one of those people that has some kind of grievance with Microsoft, and that's why you chose the name MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3. You've already posted utter nonsense in the other thread, saying that this dashboard update stops you playing ALL backups and that it flashes your 360 back to stock firmware, LOL. If only you would just go and buy a PS3 and leave these threads alone, because you have contributed nothing to them apart from misinformation.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 06:57 PM)
First off, there's is no proof that MS banned 1 million consoles last year. In fact, they categorically denied it.
They can say whatever they want from whats really going on
Example: They were sued by Datel for disabling 3rd party usb devices http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/61367 but Microsoft claimed otherwise and a few months after being sued by Datel they enabled generic USB thumb drives as hard-drives for 360 when it was closed off before...so thanks Datel but Microsoft will not admit to this being the cause of them opening up the USB.
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The original source for that figure was a blog, where an anonymous individual posted that his anonymous friend, who works in the MS call center, had been told to push for 1 million bans. This story was then picked up by other sites and it filtered its way through to the mainstream media, who didn't cite the original source (and that includes the article you linked to).
Of course, you can choose to believe anonymous guy whose anonymous friend works in the call centre, but then ask yourself this - Why would MS tell call centre staff to "push for 1 million bans"? Explain to me how a call centre worker can ban people.
Of course, you can choose to believe anonymous guy whose anonymous friend works in the call centre, but then ask yourself this - Why would MS tell call centre staff to "push for 1 million bans"? Explain to me how a call centre worker can ban people.
If thats true it shows how poor Mainstream media is in reporting even coming from Microsofts own news site
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-12/tech/cnet.xbox.live.ban_1_banned-modern-warfare-informationweek?_s=PM:TECH
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Your other argument is that MS don't ban accounts as well as consoles because they want people to use their account on a new system, which they can ban again, and so on. This is utter nonsense as well, as if they did ban accounts as well as consoles, people would pay MS more money to get a new Xbox Live Gold account as well as buying a new console.
I wasn't banned on xbox live yet my console was banned for modding, my 2 friends same scenario. Majority of posts i see of bannings mention their xbox live account still works yet their console does not.
QUOTE
It's clear that you're one of those people that has some kind of grievance with Microsoft, and that's why you chose the name MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3. You've already posted utter nonsense in the other thread, saying that this dashboard update stops you playing ALL backups and that it flashes your 360 back to stock firmware, LOL. If only you would just go and buy a PS3 and leave these threads alone, because you have contributed nothing to them apart from misinformation.
I indicated it was a rumor in that post and posted a link to where i found that rumor or information
That information isn't far from the truth of whats going on now
Post by: brandogg on October 30, 2010, 08:38:00 PM
And MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 - Microsoft has nothing to do with CNN, you're completely mistaken there. CNN is a cable news network (hence the initials) owned by Turner Broadcasting System, inc. You might be thinking of MSNBC, but Microsoft doesn't own them either, it's a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC...and it's not CNN. Also, CNN doesn't link to any sources in their article. You should quit now while you're behind.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 08:44:00 PM
QUOTE(brandogg @ Oct 30 2010, 07:38 PM)
How can anyone be legitimately upset with Microsoft for doing what they've done? By playing backup games for the past year, everyone has essentially been helping them implement AP2.5 (or so it seems). Piracy is piracy - it doesn't matter if there's a huge chunk of people here that legitimately backup their own games, because there's an ever bigger chunk of people that simply download games that they don't own.
And MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 - Microsoft has nothing to do with CNN, you're completely mistaken there. CNN is a cable news network (hence the initials) owned by Turner Broadcasting System, inc. You might be thinking of MSNBC, but Microsoft doesn't own them either, it's a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC...and it's not CNN. Also, CNN doesn't link to any sources in their article. You should quit now while you're behind.
the first link i posted was from MSNBC, microsofts news site http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696
Post by: Trunkzeh on October 30, 2010, 08:44:00 PM
2. CNN is owned by Time-Warner and not MS.
3. What you're posting is not information, but figments of your imagination that you use to justify your MS conspiracy theories.
Just give it up already, and get a PS3
Post by: loggio on October 30, 2010, 08:44:00 PM
what the hell does anything your saying have to do with this thread?
Who cares what they're intentions are, they're a multibillion dollar organisation... They know how to make money.
I hardly think they care about banning people/consoles.
Ever think they offer anti piracy protection in order to help the GAME DEVELOPERS sell their products? It's a way to keep everyone in the industry happy, gives them all a big happy warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that they can continue to make games and profit from them knowing that the companies they're developing their games for offer 'great' protection against piracy.
and bla bla bla, enough of this crappy political/marketing talk. This aint business management class of 2010
Post by: ibbi on October 30, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 30, 2010, 08:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Trunkzeh @ Oct 30 2010, 07:44 PM)
1. M$ pretty much stopped 3rd party USB devices from being used, due to the rampant achievement / save cheats that were and still are used today.
2. CNN is owned by Time-Warner and not MS.
3. What you're posting is not information, but figments of your imagination that you use to justify your MS conspiracy theories.
Just give it up already, and get a PS3
1. They practically enabled any usb thumb drive to work after Datel sued them for Monopoly of disabling Datels usb memory drives as they were being sold for 1/2 the price and double the memory capacity
2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696
3. whatever
i own a ps3 but i didn't at the time i made this account when i got banned last year, i also own a 360 obviously
QUOTE(ibbi @ Oct 30 2010, 07:49 PM)
It's official. Dashboard update coming this Monday, November the first.
http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/new-xbox-360-dashboard-on-november-1st
Post by: djkneegrow on October 30, 2010, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 30 2010, 08:23 PM)
These theories are silly, as are most of your posts to be honest.
Obviously, every single poster on Xbox-Scene is only playing backups of games that they've bought, but many people buy a console and flash it, then they don't buy games. If they get hit by a ban, they go out and buy another console to flash, then they carry on doing what they were doing. They do this because it's cheaper for them in the long run, and "cheaper for them" means they're spending less money, which means that's less money going into Microsoft's pockets. MS would rather people bought a console, didn't flash it, and bought all their games legitimately. That's what this protection is all about, not some silly conspiracy theory where "they get more money" or "they just want to say they sold more consoles at Christmas".
Fable 3 won't boot at all on most flashed consoles with the Kinect dash. I would imagine that soon, all new games will be this way. If MS actually wanted to encourage people to flash their consoles so they could ban them and sell them another one, then making it so that games won't boot at all on flashed consoles really isn't the way to do it!
Besides, these silly conspiracy theories have been around for years, even when MS were selling the 360 at a loss. LOL.
I totally agree and this makes so much more sense than M$ trying to force peeps to buy a system to up numbers. It isn't cost effective for M$ to ban people so that they go buy another system. Not everyone would go buy another system and those people might end up buying a PS3 instead which isn't helping M$ at all. Also banning a system runs the risk of someone not renewing their live account which does go as a loss to M$ compared to selling a system. Banning a system means a good chance of loss of money from live subscriptions and M$ point purchases.
Post by: supersonic124 on October 30, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Maximize on October 30, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
QUOTE(supersonic124 @ Oct 30 2010, 11:11 PM)
This ap check also seems to affect JTAGs as well. Fable 3 won't boot from the internal (MS) hd unless you put it in a GOD container.
please explain?
do you have new update (fall2010) on jtag console
Post by: Trunkzeh on October 30, 2010, 09:39:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 02:54 AM)
1. They practically enabled any usb thumb drive to work after Datel sued them for Monopoly of disabling Datels usb memory drives as they were being sold for 1/2 the price and double the memory capacity
2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33866696
3. whatever
i own a ps3 but i didn't at the time i made this account when i got banned last year, i also own a 360 obviously
http://www.examiner.com/console-game-in-st-louis/new-xbox-360-dashboard-on-november-1st
* sigh *
1. Again, you're just confirming that MS enabled the use of USB drives after Datel sued them. Your initial point hinges on the fact that they are trying to create a monopoly, and not the blatant cheats on XBL.
2. If you have bothered to read that link you're so eager to supply, you'd understand two things. Firstly, no where in that post does it indicate that MS (or a source from MS) has told the writer of the article that MS will be banning said number of users. What MS is quoted as saying, is effectively anyone who is caught playing backups, and thus violating the ToS, is banned off XBL. The second point is, MSNBC is a joint venture, as rightfully said by a prior member on here, and if MS was truly incharge then they would have got their 'facts right' as you so pleasantly put it.
To summarise, you're having a little fit that there is now the possibility that your offline hacked console will not be able to play the newest games due to AP checks, and instead of going out there and buying games, and supporting the developers, you instead chose to throw out wild claims & allegations on MS.
Post by: loggio on October 30, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
If the challenges are 'infinite' wouldn't it be easier for MS just to dish out to everyone using the kinnect dash their own seperate unique ap25 checks... that way Modified FW would be useless, because everyone would need their own unique Ixtreme fw to tackle their unique responses.
(I HOPE TO GOD I'M COMPLETELY WRONG FOR EVERYONES SAKE)
Post by: Maximize on October 30, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: loggio on October 30, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Maximize @ Oct 31 2010, 05:16 AM)
yeah your wrong
lol awesome.
Post by: Zod5000 on October 30, 2010, 10:37:00 PM
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Oct 30 2010, 12:46 PM)
And how many times has c4eva said his firmware is safe to later get hit by a ban wave?
well safe under current detection techniques. It's been a cat and mouse game since the first hacked firmware. Someone makes a firmware, MS finds a new way to detect copies discs in the drive. I think when c4evs indicates its safe, its from known detection methods. I think you'd have to be pretty Naive to assume the firmwares are futureproof, especially with the history of modifying drives for the 360?
QUOTE(Celerion @ Oct 30 2010, 01:14 PM)
People with the Samsung drive (Not spoofed) are reporting that they can't play Fable 3 with the new dash. If that was true this would not happen. So either everyone that has reported Fable 3 not working on his Samsung is lying or c4eva is missing something here.
Or they're using a non LT version of sammy firmware that doesn't support current waves?
QUOTE(clerick @ Oct 30 2010, 02:09 PM)
Sounds like it but i'm pretty sure forced updates are to come on all new game disks.
I think you can get around that. Don't people patch the waves on their backups to previous waves that old firmware supports? The "WAVE" is the section of the disc that carries the firmware upgrade software. So I'm guessing patching them to older waves would do the trick? Unless MS includes a dashboard version detector into the games itself (ala ps3). Currently I think the xbox just detects the firmware update on the disc and tells you to upgrade, I don't think its the video game detecting it?
Post by: Zod5000 on October 30, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
QUOTE(TouchyFlea @ Oct 30 2010, 06:27 PM)
Yeah i get
Last Played
01/01/1753
on Fable 3 aswell, could just be the console dates since i don't go online and i've not set the time/date on it. My borderlands has the correct date though when i play on my slim which is:
Last Played
23/10/2010
Can't comment on the wavepatcher as i don't use it
+1, I noticed most of my older backups have this date.. going back to ones 3 or 4 years old. The newer ones showing up being red dead redemption. Problem is I blow the fuse from time to time that the tv/xbox is connected to and the clock resets. I've noticed this becasue game saves in dragon origins would get all messed up because of the issues of chronilogical order form having your clock reset. I'm guessing the 1753 think is a more a clock issue then copy protection issue?
Post by: Maximize on October 30, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: Zod5000 on October 30, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(djkneegrow @ Oct 30 2010, 09:05 PM)
All I want to know is having nonstealth on the flashed system and what effect the new dashboard could, or does, have with the games for it.
I wouldn't go on the new dashboard with a flash drive. Non-stealth firmwares have no programming for ap2.5. They wouldn't know what to do when the game sends the checks to the firemware, it be insta-flag wouldn't it? To beat the new copy protection, the firmware's going to need to know what response the new dashboard wants. Stealth firmware isn't psychic.. I'm not sure why people seem to think it might be immune?
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 30 2010, 10:06 PM)
Makes me wonder...
If the challenges are 'infinite' wouldn't it be easier for MS just to dish out to everyone using the kinnect dash their own seperate unique ap25 checks... that way Modified FW would be useless, because everyone would need their own unique Ixtreme fw to tackle their unique responses.
(I HOPE TO GOD I'M COMPLETELY WRONG FOR EVERYONES SAKE)
That probably require alot of programming dollars. So they put in 5 checks (presummadly with the ability to add more in the future). Wait for c4eva to adapt the firmware for the new checks, then activate a few more after the firmware comes out, gather the info.. and bam another banwave next year, and the year after.
Christmas time banwaves are almost a tradition
Post by: avpdav on October 30, 2010, 11:10:00 PM
QUOTE(kingdt @ Oct 30 2010, 07:48 PM)
He would. I'm assuming you will need the new dashboard for kinect to work? If that is the case, then they will have to release it next week and Major Nelson is making himself look like an arse. If you don't need the updated dash for kinect, i may well put my order in.
When I was demoing the Kinect at Fleet Week in San Francisco a few weeks ago, I asked if Kinect games needed the new dashboard. She said it doesn't NEED the new dashboard. She could have been wrong but I was glad to hear that.
I'm sure if you didn't have the new dash, you wouldn't be able to use the features like moving through the dash using the Kinect, or using your voice to turn on the 360, but I don't really care about any of that. As long as the games play (I have no problems with any burned games on the current dash), I'm fine.
Post by: Kithkarnon on October 30, 2010, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on October 30, 2010, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: leperthebruce on October 30, 2010, 11:13:00 PM
I have a BenQ drive flashed with LT.
I have not installed the kinect update to be released on Monday.
I have loaded my backup of Fable 3. I received no errors in doing so.
Was this a bad thing? From what people are saying, I can't tell if you get flagged period, or only if you also updated to the newest dash.
What are the conditions where one would get flagged?
Post by: loggio on October 30, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
QUOTE(leperthebruce @ Oct 31 2010, 06:13 AM)
I just wanted some clarification:
I have a BenQ drive flashed with LT.
I have not installed the kinect update to be released on Monday.
I have loaded my backup of Fable 3. I received no errors in doing so.
Was this a bad thing? From what people are saying, I can't tell if you get flagged period, or only if you also updated to the newest dash.
What are the conditions where one would get flagged?
The checks are built in to the new dash. You're on an old dash, you don't have to worry.
Post by: leperthebruce on October 30, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
Post by: shtewps on October 31, 2010, 12:03:00 AM
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkupFVFuluBaVkSRMq.php
QUOTE("C4E")
<+c4eva> AP25 threat is real, but only MS knows if it will ever be enabled, since it has been in drive fw since hitachi!
<+c4eva> action against ap25 will be taken when it is used, until then we can only monitor!
<+c4eva> ap25 involves host supplied LBA checks, encrypted with AES, LBA's are submitted by the host (360)!
<+c4eva> not all drives support it, and they will have to make sure all drives that do support give back reliable results! not as easy as it sounds!
<rift> c4eva so just to make sure i got this correct, you said the 360 makes the AES'd lba request correct? not the drive?
<+c4eva> rift: transmitted to drive to do the checks!
http://xorloser.com/?p=9
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkupFkpkAAaUBamRKh.php
QUOTE("xorloser.com")
I noticed the other day that when FIFA09 for Xbox360 is patched with the latest update, the flags that specify what media the game is allowed to run from have changed. Originally it was allowed to boot from a standard original Xbox360 disc, however now it is only allowed to boot from a new media type which is basically an updated version of the original Xbox360 disc type.
Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a new type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Dont say I didnt warn you
The original Xbox360 game disc was reffered to as DVD-XGD2, which I presume stands for Xbox Game Disc version 2 (with version 1 being the discs used on Xbox1). This new Xbox360 game disc just seems to be reffered to as an updated DVD-XGD2″ , however to avoid confusion I will call this new disc type DVD-XGD2.5″. Also since I am a lazy typer I will remove the DVD- prefix for the following text.
Based on what I remember from when I looked into the disc authentication, I can see three possibilities. In order of likeliness they are:
1) Possibly the XGD2.5 disc is actually physically the same as the XGD2 disc but has support for extra unknown challenge/response checks.
XGD2 discs are authenticated by a series of challenge response pairs. The Xbox360 sends challenges to the dvd-drive and then the drive sends back responses to these challenges based on information on the disc in the dvd drive. If the Xbox360 deems the responses to be correct, the disc is authenticated.
Current Xbox360 dvd-drive hacks work since the challenge/response pairs are stored in the security sector on the disc, meaning that all possible challenge/responses are known in advance. The best way for MS to solve this problem is to use challenge/response pairs that are not known in advance to the dvd-drive. So if a hacked dvd-drive receives an unknown challenge it will not have the correct repsonse to send back, therefore the authentication will fail and the copied game will not boot.
MS could do these extra checks when you connect to Xbox Live, and could even save unknown challenge/response pairs to a file on the flash of your Xbox360 in order to do the checks offline. They could also save challenge/responses to your flash when you update your console via Live or an update on a game disc.
2) Maybe the authentication of XGD2.5 is a superset of the XGD2 authentication. Therefore the FIFA09 game could be pressed on the new XGD2.5 discs and still pass the XGD2 authentication checks. Then when MS is ready to initiate AP2.5 checks they could patch the game to only boot if its disc passes the XGD2.5 authentication.
3) Or else I may just be wrong and there is no new disc type or it is totally seperate to AP2.5
Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a new type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Dont say I didnt warn you
The original Xbox360 game disc was reffered to as DVD-XGD2, which I presume stands for Xbox Game Disc version 2 (with version 1 being the discs used on Xbox1). This new Xbox360 game disc just seems to be reffered to as an updated DVD-XGD2″ , however to avoid confusion I will call this new disc type DVD-XGD2.5″. Also since I am a lazy typer I will remove the DVD- prefix for the following text.
Based on what I remember from when I looked into the disc authentication, I can see three possibilities. In order of likeliness they are:
1) Possibly the XGD2.5 disc is actually physically the same as the XGD2 disc but has support for extra unknown challenge/response checks.
XGD2 discs are authenticated by a series of challenge response pairs. The Xbox360 sends challenges to the dvd-drive and then the drive sends back responses to these challenges based on information on the disc in the dvd drive. If the Xbox360 deems the responses to be correct, the disc is authenticated.
Current Xbox360 dvd-drive hacks work since the challenge/response pairs are stored in the security sector on the disc, meaning that all possible challenge/responses are known in advance. The best way for MS to solve this problem is to use challenge/response pairs that are not known in advance to the dvd-drive. So if a hacked dvd-drive receives an unknown challenge it will not have the correct repsonse to send back, therefore the authentication will fail and the copied game will not boot.
MS could do these extra checks when you connect to Xbox Live, and could even save unknown challenge/response pairs to a file on the flash of your Xbox360 in order to do the checks offline. They could also save challenge/responses to your flash when you update your console via Live or an update on a game disc.
2) Maybe the authentication of XGD2.5 is a superset of the XGD2 authentication. Therefore the FIFA09 game could be pressed on the new XGD2.5 discs and still pass the XGD2 authentication checks. Then when MS is ready to initiate AP2.5 checks they could patch the game to only boot if its disc passes the XGD2.5 authentication.
3) Or else I may just be wrong and there is no new disc type or it is totally seperate to AP2.5
Post by: LukaTCE on October 31, 2010, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: ragnar56 on October 31, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
thanks
Post by: MethosSS24 on October 31, 2010, 01:53:00 AM
Post by: JaseSX on October 31, 2010, 02:22:00 AM
Post by: PacinoAllstars on October 31, 2010, 02:24:00 AM
1. So when you playe fable 3 on old dash your still save?
2. Can I update my new console with new dash tomorrow and let it be offline forever, so I use a second one for online gaming?
3. Playing old games on live with new dash is save or not?
Post by: sidneysides on October 31, 2010, 02:27:00 AM
QUOTE(PacinoAllstars @ Oct 31 2010, 08:24 AM)
Quick questions:
1. So when you playe fable 3 on old dash your still save?
2. Can I update my new console with new dash tomorrow and let it be offline forever, so I use a second one for online gaming?
3. Playing old games on live with new dash is save or not?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I've understood it that the protection is in the dash, so new games won't boot and your profile could become corrupted, even if you never connect to live again. So in answer to 2) the answer is no. I think.
Post by: PacinoAllstars on October 31, 2010, 02:30:00 AM
QUOTE(sidneysides @ Oct 31 2010, 09:27 AM)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I've understood it that the protection is in the dash, so new games won't boot and your profile could become corrupted, even if you never connect to live again. So in answer to 2) the answer is no. I think.
So that would mean I just play older games on the new dash untill new LT comes out?
Post by: CaptainStu on October 31, 2010, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: SnAQ on October 31, 2010, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE(PacinoAllstars @ Oct 31 2010, 10:30 AM)
So that would mean I just play older games on the new dash untill new LT comes out?
As far as i know, if you update to the new dash tomorrow, you WONT be able to boot any new games.
But if you stay on the most recent dashboard as of 2010-10-31 (9199) you PROBALLY will be safe for playing new games OFFLINE, but noone know as of yet.
To clarify, If you are depending on a modified FW to be able to play you legit backups, DO NOT UPDATE, i repeat, DO NOT UPGRADE!
Post by: loggio on October 31, 2010, 03:18:00 AM
QUOTE
ENGADGET.COM
You've already seen the new Xbox 360 dashboard update right here and thousands of you have tried its flatter, faster interface for yourselves, but if you've missed out, it's looking like your Halloween candy bag may include a full-scale rollout. Xbox Live subscribers are getting the above message in their inboxes right now, indicating that November 1st will bring a service update of some sort, after which point "You will notice a change to the layout of the Xbox LIVE Dashboard, a new color scheme, and new fonts being used." That doesn't necessarily sound like a cornucopia of Netflix Search, ESPN, Kinect and Zune Music to us, but it's not like you have a choice -- it's mandatory, and you'll lose all Xbox Live functionality unless you comply. We for one welcome our new gaming software overlords. Unlike some of the competition's updates, these at least add functionality.
looks like those planning on keeping the current dash and "live" a screwed. Live functionality will come to an end unless you upgrade... BAAAhahaha...
oh well, not long till LT+
Geez im glade i have FW 0225 on my new slim, Tarablinda wouldn't work so i was forced to wait... But, i guess i'm glade, spoofing would have only flagged me in the long run.
(Not that i play online anyways but it's nice to know i can in the future if i feel like it)
Post by: mr.yoda on October 31, 2010, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: Akira420 on October 31, 2010, 03:40:00 AM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 31 2010, 06:19 AM)
The checks are built in to the new dash. You're on an old dash, you don't have to worry.
Hey I have a Lite on, Lt flashed, I played fable 3 online, I ran it through abgx after it was verified, am I flagged?
I ran it on abgx first, then burned it, but yeah, am I flagged? I'm on the old dash, 99..something, something.
Post by: ragnar56 on October 31, 2010, 04:31:00 AM
QUOTE(ragnar56 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:41 AM)
does it work if i just patch game in wave 3 ? (i play just offline)
thanks
no one can respond ? thanks
Post by: Drefsab on October 31, 2010, 04:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Akira420 @ Oct 31 2010, 11:40 AM)
Hey I have a Lite on, Lt flashed, I played fable 3 online, I ran it through abgx after it was verified, am I flagged?
I ran it on abgx first, then burned it, but yeah, am I flagged? I'm on the old dash, 99..something, something.
Chances are you will be flagged.
Post by: loggio on October 31, 2010, 04:46:00 AM
QUOTE(ragnar56 @ Oct 31 2010, 11:31 AM)
no one can respond ? thanks
how about you buy the game... Sounds like a good place to start, wouldn't you think?
Post by: Celerion on October 31, 2010, 05:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Oct 31 2010, 06:37 AM)
QUOTE(Celerion @ Oct 30 2010, 09:14 PM)
People with the Samsung drive (Not spoofed) are reporting that they can't play Fable 3 with the new dash. If that was true this would not happen. So either everyone that has reported Fable 3 not working on his Samsung is lying or c4eva is missing something here.
Or they're using a non LT version of sammy firmware that doesn't support current waves?
No they are using iXtreme LT 1.0. And I've still not seen ANYONE with a Samsung drive that was able to launch Fable 3 on beta dash.
Post by: sdboltdude on October 31, 2010, 05:30:00 AM
their is alot off hard work that goes into fighting the hammer...
we have to be paitent and wait for the right patch...
this will take time to make sure all m$ checks are covered
c4e has always helped the comunity at little to no $$$$ out of are pocket
imagine how many console the c4 team has to have to run checks
not counting all the tech stuff the use to break fw
please when the hammer hits monday dont start yelling and crying about not having your beloved 360 online
"booho booho i cant play on live when will c4e get updated fw" hey here is a great ideal get off the couch and do something active.......
once again thnaks for all that you do c4e and the time and effort that you put into your HOBBIE
at least i still have my jtag to keep my lazy ass on the couch ...........
Post by: ThaCrip on October 31, 2010, 05:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Celerion @ Oct 30 2010, 02:14 PM)
People with the Samsung drive (Not spoofed) are reporting that they can't play Fable 3 with the new dash. If that was true this would not happen. So either everyone that has reported Fable 3 not working on his Samsung is lying or c4eva is missing something here.
me personally i think the explanation for that is from the 'SSv3' checks and NOT the AP25
(this seems plausible based on c4eva saying Samsung's can't do AP25 checks but if they can check SSv3 related stuff that would explain why backups don't boot on newest dashboards for Samsung users)so i am just guessing here... but the SSv3 stuff might just need to be patched into the ISO and then Samsung users would be in the clear assuming they are running LT v1.0.
Post by: danplo on October 31, 2010, 05:48:00 AM
Has this Wave 7 also something to do with this new dashboard ?
Post by: daonejoe on October 31, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
What would happen if i was to run a legit copy of Fable 3/COD BO on the new dash will it still fail AP2.5 checks and get my 360 flagged
or will Legit games run fine
its clear that MS cant detect LT wich is why they have inc this new protection
Post by: ccfman2004 on October 31, 2010, 07:30:00 AM
QUOTE(daonejoe @ Oct 31 2010, 01:52 PM)
im on LT with my V1 LiteOn
What would happen if i was to run a legit copy of Fable 3/COD BO on the new dash will it still fail AP2.5 checks and get my 360 flagged
or will Legit games run fine
its clear that MS cant detect LT wich is why they have inc this new protection
Retail copies should run fine.
Microsoft cannot detect the modified firmware. What they are detecting is the backup disc. For now, only retail disc will pass the AP2.5 check.
Post by: ragnar56 on October 31, 2010, 07:43:00 AM
Post by: Maximize on October 31, 2010, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(ragnar56 @ Oct 31 2010, 09:43 AM)
does it works if you patch the game in wave 3 or not ?
yes you would get flagged for a patched disk
Post by: doozattack on October 31, 2010, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: Maximize on October 31, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
this seems to be the sum of the info we have, what info we dont have is a list of ap2.5 games
Post by: ShiZor9 on October 31, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Maximize @ Oct 31 2010, 10:10 AM)
it is believed that if you play a ap2.5 disk on the new dash you are flagged, I do believe that the consoles on old dash do not have the means to challenge ap2.5, fifa 09 being an exception since an update turned on the challenge for that game
this seems to be the sum of the info we have, what info we dont have is a list of ap2.5 games
So new retail games are good to go on new dash update. New games that are backups will not work on new dash and will most likely end up in banning. Correct?
What about older games that are still popular, Fallout NV, CODMF2, Madden, NBA2k11, etc. will cause flagging once the update is downloaded on my 360?
I am burned a backup for Fable 3 and used it on my console, which boots fine on my liteon. Am I flagged?
Post by: ragnar56 on October 31, 2010, 08:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Maximize @ Oct 31 2010, 02:59 PM)
yes you would get flagged for a patched disk
the game boot if i patch in wave 3 ? i read that is not working...
Post by: booker21 on October 31, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 31 2010, 02:19 AM)
The checks are built in to the new dash. You're on an old dash, you don't have to worry.
Yeah but what when the games you play force you to update the dashboard? At some time, new games wil have the New dash build it. And you won`t be able to play those game if u don`t apply update I think.
Could someone clarify this? i think at some point games force you to update your dashboard. I don`t remember how it was before since i always updated them via Xbox Live.
Post by: not2able on October 31, 2010, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: booker21 on October 31, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(ragnar56 @ Oct 31 2010, 11:28 AM)
the game boot if i patch in wave 3 ? i read that is not working...
from what i understand this will not work once you update to the new dashboard.
Because the wave X and the AP2.5 are 2 different things.
For now the only solution is to not update to the new dash.
My question is what would happen when the new games comes with the new dashboard build it. And this games i believe will force you to update in order to play the game. Correct me if i`m wrong.
Again i only play Offline. I don`t care about Xbox live.
Post by: ShiZor9 on October 31, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
QUOTE(not2able @ Oct 31 2010, 10:30 AM)
Im away right now, kept my xbox offline for 2 weeks prior to going away, was flashed to LT so I have no plans whatsoever of going online until sometime next year, going to be an interesting next few months, good luck to all.....I do smell a banwave coming. This fable 3 thing...Concerning for people that have been playing it.
I do too, and if I can avoid it good, but otherwise, its just time to get another 360.
But I'm assuming I can play Fable 3 until the update is released? But I have already played it long enough to be able to deal without it until the next LT is released too. I just want to retain live compatibility so I can enjoy CODMW2 and Madden online.
Post by: Maximize on October 31, 2010, 10:03:00 AM
until LT+ exists and is released, ap2.5 games will not be safe, and since LT seems to be undetectable
microsoft will use ap2.5 to get their desired bannings
Post by: neutron_bomb on October 31, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
Then I update and flash my drive with LT+ to play new backups.
So will I then will I have to bin my old backups and only play the origanals and new backups, or will the old backups at least still boot offline?
Post by: justeve on October 31, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
Will be first game to have the latest live update and will be classed as wave 7.
Post by: coolkeith on October 31, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
This post has been edited by Ranger72: Oct 31 2010, 06:22 PM
Post by: danthaman673 on October 31, 2010, 10:31:00 AM
I would just like to float a theory (just to get it out there early, I havent read some of the last couple of pages of posts - I'm wearing my flame-retardent gel but pls be gentle..)
Possible AP 2.5 M.O:
New kinect dash update may either writes to drive FW or activate something hidden in drive FW OR maybe just check if drive is writable?? (maybe writes entire new FW on drives that are capable?)
Xex runs, Xex runs check thru new nand and does (AP2.5) challenge based on on clock (as form of randomisation) If drive == AP2.5 capable & challenge * clock(online?) ==<correct response> then boot game.
If drive <> AP2.5 capable then game doesn't boot (it assumes drive could be broken unless kinect update confirms legit sammy/hitachi during update and doesn't carry-out AP2.5)
My guess is one of the reasons for the delayed kinect dash release is the further implementation and last minute addition which will solve the null date (and other) issues. (Maybe they'll throw a last-minute curveball to maximise damage)
It''s clear that it's the Nand that will be polling the drive/disc (as I&many have predicted) so really anyone posting issues/questions about earlier nands are kinda wasting topic space, eg I played fable 3 on 8955 with IX1.51 no worries.. etc aren't really helping. Re really need to xtract fable 3 xex and play around with it etc.. Also I would like a way of Identifying the new media type (DVD-XGD2.5) If it is infact a new media type or just a way of flaging the disc as AP 2.5 for the nand/drive to carry-out checks (this would allow them to implement where and when they like stealth-style eg; PFI won't give it away)
The null dates(yes I know it's an sql default) are a worry as it could mean they're going to flag profiles somehow. My guess is Xval aint going to cut it anymore either (after kinect dash upd) as it will be too easy for them to just add a new(hidden) flag(not that it would stay hidden for long, but long enough to make their prospectus look a little better from the new sales, I was hoping they would have put this off given their sales were looking good 4 xmas anyway)
Anyway, I've only just started looking at this myself(tonight, I'm meant to be on holiday) And I'm making this post to get ppl thinking as I don't think it would be fair for ppl to be banned for playing a genuine backup(ie; not pirated) online etc..
So pls be gentle .......
Brgda/Dan
PS: I'm hoping I'm wrong about the profile flaging as that would stuff-up those of us doing the online/offiline thing(even though we paid M$ twice!!)
EDit: I'm not sure why I bothered now as I assume most tech minded ppl will be put off reading as (having read the last couple of pages) the usual assortment of noobs who post without having read a single page (let alone the whole topic) are spamming the usual array of stupid questions that could be easily answered by employing the use of search and brain etc.. That said: I'm now certain that M$ have deliberately waited untill the 'scene'was saturated with backups containing the AP2.5 checkable discs (I doubt it takes the form of an SSv3 but I guess it's possible as it would help the new dash ID hakd FW) More likely it's being integrated in a way that way that will mean ppl will need to re-burn their backups eg; If it was included in the outside the game partition (for exsample)
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Oct 31 2010, 05:57 PM
Post by: BorisX on October 31, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
QUOTE(coolkeith @ Oct 31 2010, 05:29 PM)
Thats why it pays to have two 360s one online and one offline i have a original and a slim and the slim isn't getting flash anytime soon like i said on other posts flashing my slim isn't cost effective and its not !!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
Off topic but the slim is a great piece of design.. I wish the Xbox was like this from the start. I don't have to worry everytime I start the slim if it'll RROD or not
Post by: doozattack on October 31, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: danthaman673 on October 31, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
QUOTE(doozattack @ Nov 1 2010, 02:22 AM)
Is it safe to play old backups (Wave 6) on the new dash update?
It depends how old , but don't do it untill there is a way to ID discs with the AP2.5 checks (unless it's really old)
If it's pre fifa09 then u will prolly be ok.
Don''t get 'waves' confused with the issue(s)
Brgds/Dan
PS: Can the moderators pls fix that post that is somehow ruining the way the page is being rendered (I thought word-wrap was compulsory??) Or maybe it's my borrowed lappy??
Post by: kneehighspy on October 31, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 12:31 AM)
1/1/1753 is the earliest date allowed in SQL Server. Sometimes when the value is NULL, it changes it to 1/1/1753. I think it's just a bug in the way dates are displayed for games that have only been played offline, as the date should be displayed as "Never". It's happened in the past with achievements earned offline displaying that date instead of saying "Acquired". I can find threads on other forums going back before 09/2009 talking about it and I don't think it's a sign of any new checks being implemented in 2009.
On Xbox.com, all of the games I've played while connected to Live have correct "Last played" date stamps going back as far as 26/12/2007. Any games that have only been played offline have date stamps of 1/1/1753 when it should say "Never".
good explanation, makes since. but i play all games other than xbla games offline, all offline played games (played on my offline console with hard drive switched to online console for live use) used to show the correct dates they were played until one last title, played offline also, back in 9/2009. and all the ones that have proper dates on my list, were all played off line too on my offline console, then switching the hard drive back to my online console to update gamerscores, etc.
Post by: Akira420 on October 31, 2010, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: doozattack on October 31, 2010, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Oct 31 2010, 10:03 PM)
It depends how old , but don't do it untill there is a way to ID discs with the AP2.5 checks (unless it's really old)
If it's pre fifa09 then u will prolly be ok.
Don''t get 'waves' confused with the issue(s)
Brgds/Dan
PS: Can the moderators pls fix that post that is somehow ruining the way the page is being rendered (I thought word-wrap was compulsory??) Or maybe it's my borrowed lappy??
Thanks for your response. I mentioned the wave to tell how old.
Guess I'll just wait for LT+ then.
Post by: juggahax0r on October 31, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
C4eva already said that it has been possible as far back as Hitachi!
Needless to say it is finally here. This probably won't be an easy one to get past.
Post by: axxxo on October 31, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
Now the update obviously wont be applied to these xboxs until a game containing the new dash update is placed in the tray.
Ive been told both yes and no that the update can be removed from the iso for jtag and NON JTAGGED consoles, if possible can someone confirm this?
Overall question is do i need to worry about offline consoles being disrupted in any way with this update please.
Thank you.
Post by: Maximize on October 31, 2010, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(axxxo @ Oct 31 2010, 01:42 PM)
Are xbox's and profiles alike that are kept offline i.e. NEVER been connected to live at any point of there lives being affected in anyway with this new dashboard?
Now the update obviously wont be applied to these xboxs until a game containing the new dash update is placed in the tray.
Ive been told both yes and no that the update can be removed from the iso for jtag and NON JTAGGED consoles, if possible can someone confirm this?
Overall question is do i need to worry about offline consoles being disrupted in any way with this update please.
Thank you.
yes games that wont require the update, on offline consoles, the disk can be patched, and the users experience will not change
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 31, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 31 2010, 06:07 PM)
good explanation, makes since. but i play all games other than xbla games offline, all offline played games (played on my offline console with hard drive switched to online console for live use) used to show the correct dates they were played until one last title, played offline also, back in 9/2009. and all the ones that have proper dates on my list, were all played off line too on my offline console, then switching the hard drive back to my online console to update gamerscores, etc.
If you play offline, it doesn't date stamp the achievements or when you last played the game. The reason for that is because you have to set the date and time manually and they're both reset when the console is unplugged from the wall. If someone forgets to set the date/time, they'd get achievement unlock dates of 2005 and people could set the wrong date and end up having last played dates of 2011 or whatever. It only does date stamping when you're connected to Xbox Live.
QUOTE
Are xbox's and profiles alike that are kept offline i.e. NEVER been connected to live at any point of there lives being affected in anyway with this new dashboard?
Yes. It doesn't matter if your console has never been connected to Live. If you have the Kinect dashboard installed on it and you try to boot an AP2.5 affected backup (just Fable 3 at the moment) and get "This disc is unreadable", this is what happens: -
1. The game will not boot.
2. Your console is flagged for a ban for failing the AP25 challenge.
3. Your gamertag is corrupted. It will still work on the affected console, but not on any others.
4. If you create a gamertag on the affected console, it's immediately corrupted so it will only work on that console.
5. If you use gamertags created on other consoles on the affected console, they will be corrupted as soon as you try and boot any game - backups or originals.
The update on game discs is in the video partition, so it can be removed or changed for an earlier update, but I would speculate that future games will check to make sure that the dashboard is current before they'll boot, as that closes the loophole that allows people to stay on pre-Kinect dashboards.
QUOTE
Overall question is do i need to worry about offline consoles being disrupted in any way with this update please.
If you stay on a pre-Kinect dashboard, then no, except you may find that games in the future won't boot without the Kinect dashboard installed (speculation). If you update to the Kinect dashboard, then yes, because attempting to boot any game protected by AP2.5 instantly causes the effects described above and this happens even if your console has never been connected to Xbox Live.
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 07:28 PM
Post by: PacinoAllstars on October 31, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
So if I buy a new xbox and dont flash it, can I still use the account that is played with/associated on the banned console.
Would suck really hard if the accounts is permanently corrupted
This post has been edited by PacinoAllstars: Oct 31 2010, 07:47 PM
Post by: mooch49 on October 31, 2010, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 31, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
FFS, read the thread!
Post by: C.Troy on October 31, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(PacinoAllstars @ Oct 31 2010, 07:44 PM)
Will our accounts and gamtertags remain intact?
So if I buy a new xbox and dont flash it, can I still use the account that is played with/associated on the banned console.
Would suck really hard if the accounts is permanently corrupted
your account will work fine if you just recover it from XBL on the clean 360. MS has never banned GT's for flashed consoles. They ban GT's for playing certain games early. (last year it was Forza and MW2) but they generally leave GT's alone. The corrupted GT stuff has to do with the system itself and not what's going on server side.
This post has been edited by C.Troy: Oct 31 2010, 08:09 PM
Post by: Akira420 on October 31, 2010, 01:20:00 PM
This post has been edited by Akira420: Oct 31 2010, 08:22 PM
Post by: mooch49 on October 31, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 31 2010, 08:07 PM)
Because 9199 isn't a beta Kinect dash ..
FFS, read the thread!
i have read the thread and from it fable 3 is the first game to implement the new checks. that's what i don't understand. if you are using a pre kinect dash, why is it playing if it supposedly the first game to require the new check. so i guess the more uncertain question is, will new games require the new kinect dash to play offline. i could care less about online. i have the slim for that, but i still want to be able to play backups on my non-slim offline, which seems to be what most want to know.
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 31, 2010, 01:45:00 PM
Fable 3 (ap2.5 game) doesn't require Kinect to run HOWEVER it works in conjunction with the new DASH check. New games in the future may require Kinect to be installed, until they're released and people mess with the video partition / waves etc and check the result, we'll see what happens.
This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Oct 31 2010, 08:47 PM
Post by: mooch49 on October 31, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 31 2010, 08:45 PM)
The check is implemented in the DASH, the new game (Fable 3) simply has the correct file or whatever for the dash to verify.
Fable 3 (ap2.5 game) doesn't require Kinect to run HOWEVER it works in conjunction with the new DASH check. New games in the future may require Kinect to be installed, until they're released and people mess with the video partition / waves etc and check the result, we'll see what happens.
okay. so what you are saying is that fable 3 doesn't have the new dash built in yet, even though it is the first to use the new checks. now if i played it on live with a modded 360, it would be flagged and eventually banned, even if it's on pre-beta dash
so i guess what me and everybody else wants to know is when you load a backup of a new wave 7+ game will it play on an offline console even though the disc will update the dash to the official kinect one.
This post has been edited by mooch49: Oct 31 2010, 09:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 31, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(mooch49 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:54 PM)
okay. so what you are saying is that fable 3 doesn't have the new dash built in yet, even though it is the first to use the new checks.
Correct. Fable 3 has been released before the new Kinect dash has gone final, so it hasn't been included on the disk.
QUOTE(mooch49 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:54 PM)
now if i played it on live with a modded 360, it would be flagged and eventually banned, even if it's on pre-beta dash
There's nothing to suggest you'll be flagged while on the current dash, however come next week or whenever the new dash is rolled out and a requirement to go online, then yes, you'd be flagged with the Fable 3 backup.
QUOTE(mooch49 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:54 PM)
so i guess what me and everybody else wants to know is when you load a backup of a new wave 7+ game will it play on an offline console even though the disc will update the dash to the official kinect one.
If Wave 7 is Kinect dash (let's assume it is) and you ran the backup and installed Kinect, then the game would currently be unplayable and your system would be flagged for a ban (on both online / offline / already banned consoles, it doesn't matter).
You COULD however use a wave changer, remove the Wave 7 (Kinect?) dash, replace with Wave 6 or below and run the game on an OFFLINE console, if online capabilities are of no use to you (this assumes you haven't already updated to the Kinect dash).
This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Oct 31 2010, 09:14 PM
Post by: SnAQ on October 31, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 31, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(mooch49 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:54 PM)
okay. so what you are saying is that fable 3 doesn't have the new dash built in yet, even though it is the first to use the new checks. now if i played it on live with a modded 360, it would be flagged and eventually banned, even if it's on pre-beta dash
so i guess what me and everybody else wants to know is when you load a backup of a new wave 7+ game will it play on an offline console even though the disc will update the dash to the official kinect one.
Wave 7 doesn't contain the Kinect dashboard update. It contains the NXE 9199 update.
Regarding your first paragraph, from tomorrow you can't play on Live with anything but the Kinect dash, as that's when it'll be rolled out to everyone. If you want Live play on a flashed console, you have to upgrade the dashboard tomorrow.
As for your second paragraph, let's say that wave 8 does contain the Kinect dash. If you don't do something to remove that update before you burn the disc, you'll have to update the dashboard before you can play the game, and then if you play any title that's affected, such as Fable 3, then you'll be flagged for a ban and you'll suffer with gamertag corruption.
What's not known for sure is whether you'll be able to patch future "wave 8" titles to an earlier video wave, thereby removing the Kinect dashboard update from the game disc and allowing you to boot it on the older NXE dashboard (offline only, obviously). I would imagine that MS will close this loophole and force you to upgrade to play newer titles, but I can't say if this will happen or not. Nobody can, until a game comes out that has the Kinect dashboard update on the disc.
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 31 2010, 09:27 PM
Post by: col12 on October 31, 2010, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 07:20 PM)
If you play offline, it doesn't date stamp the achievements or when you last played the game. The reason for that is because you have to set the date and time manually and they're both reset when the console is unplugged from the wall. If someone forgets to set the date/time, they'd get achievement unlock dates of 2005 and people could set the wrong date and end up having last played dates of 2011 or whatever. It only does date stamping when you're connected to Xbox Live.
Yes. It doesn't matter if your console has never been connected to Live. If you have the Kinect dashboard installed on it and you try to boot an AP2.5 affected backup (just Fable 3 at the moment) and get "This disc is unreadable", this is what happens: -
1. The game will not boot.
2. Your console is flagged for a ban for failing the AP25 challenge.
3. Your gamertag is corrupted. It will still work on the affected console, but not on any others.
4. If you create a gamertag on the affected console, it's immediately corrupted so it will only work on that console.
5. If you use gamertags created on other consoles on the affected console, they will be corrupted as soon as you try and boot any game - backups or originals.
The update on game discs is in the video partition, so it can be removed or changed for an earlier update, but I would speculate that future games will check to make sure that the dashboard is current before they'll boot, as that closes the loophole that allows people to stay on pre-Kinect dashboards.
If you stay on a pre-Kinect dashboard, then no, except you may find that games in the future won't boot without the Kinect dashboard installed (speculation). If you update to the Kinect dashboard, then yes, because attempting to boot any game protected by AP2.5 instantly causes the effects described above and this happens even if your console has never been connected to Xbox Live.
everything i needed to no is in this thread cheers and LT+ is only for slims is that rite and if i update tommorow and never put another back up in my LT liteon i shouldnt get flaged becouse the dash isnt detecting the fw
Post by: ryanbverwoerd on October 31, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 31, 2010, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 31 2010, 09:34 PM)
everything i needed to no is in this thread cheers and LT+ is only for slims is that rite and if i update tommorow and never put another back up in my LT liteon i shouldnt get flaged becouse the dash isnt detecting the fw
I would imagine that LT+ is coming for older consoles too, as c4e said "LT+ coming for required drives" in the chat log in post 1. There's only 1 drive used in the Slim I think, so he wouldn't say "required drives" if it was Slim only. I don't know of course, but I'm just reading between the lines.
I'm pretty sure that c4e also said that you should flash your drive back to stock firmware before updating the dashboard, then you would update the dash and flash your drive back to Lite Touch. I'm not very knowledgeable about firmware flashing though, so someone else can confirm that for you.
Post by: kaldi's apostle on October 31, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 04:23 PM)
Wave 7 doesn't contain the Kinect dashboard update. It contains the NXE 9199 update.
...
As for your second paragraph, let's say that wave 8 does contain the Kinect dash. If you don't do something to remove that update before you burn the disc, you'll have to update the dashboard before you can play the game, and then if you play any title that's affected, such as Fable 3, then you'll be flagged for a ban and you'll suffer with gamertag corruption.
Can you remove the systemupdate from the iso if you are playing from a DVD (if so with which tool), or is that only possible on a jtag console?
tia
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 31, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: Slateboard on October 31, 2010, 03:31:00 PM
1. Assuming I update (using stock firmware) can I flash my drive to LT and be safe online?
2. Would my older games be safe to play (assuming the answer to 1 is yes.)
3. If the LT firmware isn't safe after updating, could I simply swap my drive? Like, using my CFW drive offline, then my stock drive online.
4. If I don't update, would playing Fable 3 affect my console?
Post by: H_AVOK on October 31, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Slateboard @ Oct 31 2010, 10:31 PM)
I'm trying to understand all of this.
1. Assuming I update (using stock firmware) can I flash my drive to LT and be safe online?
2. Would my older games be safe to play (assuming the answer to 1 is yes.)
3. If the LT firmware isn't safe after updating, could I simply swap my drive? Like, using my CFW drive offline, then my stock drive online.
4. If I don't update, would playing Fable 3 affect my console?
lol you are like Question Machine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: fitsman on February 03, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Or is there any program that we can patch new games with old checks and play it normal at xbox360 with dashboard newest than 2.0.9199 and ixtreme lt.
A lot of thanks.
Post by: loggio on October 31, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
Stop with all the questions, you're all sounding like one big giant broken record... Parrots.
The best suggestion right now is simply DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DASH (YET) just wait a few weeks to hear from C4E and ixtreme team.
If you simply cannot wait and want to update to the latest dash then i suggest flashing your drive back to STOCK fw and again wait for LT+
At the moment, it's not safe to be able to say YES go ahead and update. You cannot have the best of both worlds at this time.
Yes, i have no doubt that games in the near future (especially kinnect games) will come with a dashboard update. However it is unknown yet whether removing this from your packup iso image will have any effect on the detection of the (pirated)/ backup copy, thus flagging you for a ban.
I would not be surprised if upgrading your dash will become unavoidable in the future.
We have to wait for LT+ and possibly a new 0800 fw and/or a new program/method of ripping games.
Right now, FOR LIVE USERS: ANY CURRENT FW SETUP ON THE NEW DASH IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO CUT IT (One way or another)
1. PLEASE WAIT FOR LT+
2. BE PATIENT
3. DON'T UPDATE DASH YET (unless you're fully aware of the risks)
4. IF YOU DO UPGRADE DO NOT BOTHER SOOKING ABOUT CORRUPTIONS/FLAGGING (You've been warned countless times)
5. DID I MENTION WAIT FOR LT+*
*LT+ will be made available for all required drives (NOT JUST SLIM) so wait.
That's simply the best advice to give.
If you're looking for answers about patching to previous waves etc... then i assume YES it would work BUT on the new dash you WILL be flagged and if you do play ONLINE then i highly suggest you DO NOT do this.
For those of you who do not use live AT ALL... Do whatever the hell you want... there is simply no threat to you (except your corrupt profile) Unless you decide to go online in some time in the future, you're console would already be flagged and you WILL be banned.
i hope you all read this before posting more silly repetitive questions.
The end.
loggio.
This post has been edited by loggio: Oct 31 2010, 11:26 PM
Post by: 360player on February 03, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 31 2010, 03:19 PM)
Guys,
Stop with all the questions, you're all sounding like one big giant broken record... Parrots.
The best suggestion right now is simply DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DASH (YET) just wait a few weeks to hear from C4E and ixtreme team.
If you simply cannot wait and want to update to the latest dash then i suggest flashing your drive back to STOCK fw and again wait for LT+
At the moment, it's not safe to be able to say YES go ahead and update. You cannot have the best of both worlds at this time.
Yes, i have no doubt that games in the near future (especially kinnect games) will come with a dashboard update. However it is unknown yet whether removing this from your packup iso image will have any effect on the detection of the (pirated)/ backup copy, thus flagging you for a ban.
I would not be surprised if upgrading your dash will become unavoidable in the future.
Well said! C4 has always come through and if he says something he means it.
We have to wait for LT+ and possibly a new 0800 fw and/or a new program/method of ripping games.
Right now, ANY CURRENT FW SETUP ON THE NEW DASH IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO CUT IT (One way or another)
1. PLEASE WAIT FOR LT+
2. BE PATIENT
3. DON'T UPDATE DASH YET (unless you're fully aware of the risks)
4. IF YOU DO UPGRADE DO NOT BOTHER SOOKING ABOUT CORRUPTIONS/FLAGGING (You've been warned countless times)
5. DID I MENTION WAIT FOR LT+*
*LT+ will be made available for all required drives (NOT JUST SLIM) so wait.
That's simply the best advice to give.
If you're looking for answers about patching to previous waves etc... then i assume YES it would work BUT on the new dash you WILL be flagged and if you do play ONLINE then i highly suggest you DO NOT do this.
For those of you who do not use live AT ALL... Do whatever the hell you want... there is simply no threat to you (except your corrupt profile)
i hope you all read this before posting more silly repetitive questions.
The end.
loggio.
Post by: loggio on October 31, 2010, 04:32:00 PM
why did you just quote my whole post ?
Post by: booker21 on February 03, 2020, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 31 2010, 07:19 PM)
Guys,
Stop with all the questions, you're all sounding like one big giant broken record... Parrots.
The best suggestion right now is simply DO NOT UPDATE YOUR DASH (YET) just wait a few weeks to hear from C4E and ixtreme team.
If you simply cannot wait and want to update to the latest dash then i suggest flashing your drive back to STOCK fw and again wait for LT+
At the moment, it's not safe to be able to say YES go ahead and update. You cannot have the best of both worlds at this time.
Yes, i have no doubt that games in the near future (especially kinnect games) will come with a dashboard update. However it is unknown yet whether removing this from your packup iso image will have any effect on the detection of the (pirated)/ backup copy, thus flagging you for a ban.
I would not be surprised if upgrading your dash will become unavoidable in the future.
We have to wait for LT+ and possibly a new 0800 fw and/or a new program/method of ripping games.
Right now, FOR LIVE USERS: ANY CURRENT FW SETUP ON THE NEW DASH IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO CUT IT (One way or another)
1. PLEASE WAIT FOR LT+
2. BE PATIENT
3. DON'T UPDATE DASH YET (unless you're fully aware of the risks)
4. IF YOU DO UPGRADE DO NOT BOTHER SOOKING ABOUT CORRUPTIONS/FLAGGING (You've been warned countless times)
5. DID I MENTION WAIT FOR LT+*
*LT+ will be made available for all required drives (NOT JUST SLIM) so wait.
That's simply the best advice to give.
If you're looking for answers about patching to previous waves etc... then i assume YES it would work BUT on the new dash you WILL be flagged and if you do play ONLINE then i highly suggest you DO NOT do this.
For those of you who do not use live AT ALL... Do whatever the hell you want... there is simply no threat to you (except your corrupt profile) Unless you decide to go online in some time in the future, you're console would already be flagged and you WILL be banned.
i hope you all read this before posting more silly repetitive questions.
The end.
loggio.
That`s not true.
For those who do not use live AT All, and do upgrade to the new Dashboard, their new backups game will directly not boot.
So sooner or later, when the Dashboard comes build in the new games, they will have to update the dashboard and so the FW.
Correct me if i`m wrong though.
Post by: Mana on October 31, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: loggio on February 03, 2020, 04:26:00 PM
QUOTE(booker21 @ Nov 1 2010, 12:15 AM)
That`s not true.
For those who do not use live AT All, and do upgrade to the new Dashboard, their new backups game will directly not boot.
So sooner or later, when the Dashboard comes build in the new games, they will have to update the dashboard and so the FW.
Correct me if i`m wrong though.
NO... FABLE 3 won't boot.
And honestly, why can't you all just be patient? i hope it comes out sooner rather than later also, but i'd prefer them to take their time and get it 100% right.
seriously, i have backup copies of all my originals stacked knee high since i bought my new slim and haven't been able to play any of them... Just causing more ware and tear on my originals for now.
But im in no rush... Neither should you guys. Unless you're all pirates and are trying to play downloaded games and are pissed that you're free FW can't do the job anymore. Probably time to get a job and buy some games i'd say.
anyways... Tomorrow is an exciting day, we will find out more as time progresses. Crossing my fingers for good news.
Post by: 360player on October 31, 2010, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 31 2010, 03:32 PM)
Sorry I did that by accident on my iPhone.
What I was trying to say was that your statement was well put and that what c4 says he means.
C4 has always come through since I've been following the scene for the past few years.
This post has been edited by 360player: Nov 1 2010, 12:30 AM
Post by: cyclopsw on February 03, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 03, 2020, 05:20:00 PM
QUOTE(cyclopsw @ Nov 1 2010, 01:13 AM)
How does the original Fable 3 disc work with the new dashboard on a modified DVD Drive
It works fine. This check only affect backups as it has been said many times.
Post by: Zod5000 on February 03, 2020, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(booker21 @ Oct 31 2010, 05:15 PM)
That`s not true.
For those who do not use live AT All, and do upgrade to the new Dashboard, their new backups game will directly not boot.
So sooner or later, when the Dashboard comes build in the new games, they will have to update the dashboard and so the FW.
Correct me if i`m wrong though.
technically speaking you can patch newer wave games to lower wave games. So if you can't go online anyways because your using an old dashboard, you could try that. Thay way the dashboard update wouldn't install.
MS could change it up, and do what the ps3 does, and make it so games don't boot at all without the new dashboard, currently the 360 doesn't do that, which is why patching games works.
Post by: ShiZor9 on October 31, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Oct 31 2010, 08:20 PM)
It works fine. This check only affect backups as it has been said many times.
I've played a backup of Fable 3 just fine...
Post by: crackalac on October 31, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Mana @ Oct 31 2010, 06:18 PM)
youll be lucky if its before February 9th, let alone nov.
Post by: booker21 on October 31, 2010, 07:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Oct 31 2010, 09:29 PM)
technically speaking you can patch newer wave games to lower wave games. So if you can't go online anyways because your using an old dashboard, you could try that. Thay way the dashboard update wouldn't install.
MS could change it up, and do what the ps3 does, and make it so games don't boot at all without the new dashboard, currently the 360 doesn't do that, which is why patching games works.
Pardon my ignorance, but what does Wave thing has to do with the build in dashboard?
I thought they were 2 different things.
Or if i patch the Wave to an older wave, the game won`t run any updates (including the build in new Dashboard update?)
Post by: Hexx on October 31, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
THE WAIT!
Post by: Slateboard on October 31, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 31, 2010, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(booker21 @ Nov 1 2010, 02:31 AM)
Pardon my ignorance, but what does Wave thing has to do with the build in dashboard?
I thought they were 2 different things.
Or if i patch the Wave to an older wave, the game won`t run any updates (including the build in new Dashboard update?)
Each 360 disc contains a video partition with a video in it that displays "To play this disc, put it into an Xbox 360 console" in different languages. Sometimes the video partition also contains a dashboard update. The different versions of the video partition are the different "waves".
There's 7 known waves at the moment, but let's say wave 8 comes out which contains the Kinect dashboard update. If you patch the video partition to an older wave, that means that the Kinect dashboard update will no longer be on the disc. A game that's patched like this is not safe for use on Xbox Live, but it will mean that you can play games without being forced to upgrade to the Kinect dashboard. That is, unless newer games are designed not to boot at all unless the Kinect dashboard installed, but we won't know if that's the case until a wave 8 (or whichever wave contains the Kinect dashboard update) game comes out.
Post by: tezza192 on October 31, 2010, 08:40:00 PM
This post has been edited by tezza192: Nov 1 2010, 03:41 AM
Post by: korn0413 on October 31, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 31, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
QUOTE(korn0413 @ Nov 1 2010, 04:08 AM)
So if I'm reading this correctly...my liteon (not sure fw....requires activate ISO) that has played fable 3 IS flagged. Or is it true if I stay offline until LT+ I'm okay (assuming it works as intended)?
Use Xval 2.0 to check if you've been flagged. If the game booted, then you might not have been. If the game didn't boot and gave you a "This disc is unreadable" error then you will have been.
On another note, Black Ops is confirmed NOT to suffer from the same "unreadable" issue as Fable 3.
Post by: bludd on October 31, 2010, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 10:25 PM)
Each 360 disc contains a video partition..
Thanks Funksoulbrother for all your explanations on the boards, it's a great deal of help with your clear and concise replies that layman can understand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Post by: ccfman2004 on October 31, 2010, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Akira420 on October 31, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
The game booted first and played, but I got an unreadable error please clean disc after going back to the dash and starting the game over again, this happened offline though. I need to know if I'm flagged
Post by: korn0413 on October 31, 2010, 10:02:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Nov 1 2010, 04:10 AM)
Use Xval 2.0 to check if you've been flagged. If the game booted, then you might not have been. If the game didn't boot and gave you a "This disc is unreadable" error then you will have been.
On another note, Black Ops is confirmed NOT to suffer from the same "unreadable" issue as Fable 3.
Okay secdata is clean. So should I stay offline until this all blows over (i.e. not take the update tomorrow)?
Post by: chepito41 on October 31, 2010, 10:37:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 07:10 PM)
Use Xval 2.0 to check if you've been flagged. If the game booted, then you might not have been. If the game didn't boot and gave you a "This disc is unreadable" error then you will have been.
On another note, Black Ops is confirmed NOT to suffer from the same "unreadable" issue as Fable 3.
how do I get the X value
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 31, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ Oct 31 2010, 07:40 PM)
Lets just hope that the release of LT+ is a lot less farcical than LT was, All that bullshit with Foundmy, Banguard, Iriez's rant about team jungle and all the rest of it really was a bit of a mickey take.
that was awesome and showed some of what was going on behind the curtain http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=697967
C4eva is like a modding god and Iriez rant shined some light about some of the crap going on (advertising shit, and holding out certain things to make money but lying to modding community in the process)
If you go to the #fw room some of the mods greet C4eva with GRETTINGS SIR LET ME TAKE YOUR COAT...okay not the take your coat part but they do say hello SIR and worship him
Fable 3 isn't very good (Fable 2 is better) so people who can't play Fable 3 yet you're not missing much
This post has been edited by MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3: Nov 1 2010, 06:34 AM
Post by: Slateboard on October 31, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 11:33 PM)
that was awesome and showed some of what was going on behind the curtain http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=697967
C4eva is like a modding god and Iriez rant shined some light about some of the crap going on (advertising shit, and holding out certain things to make money but lying to modding community in the process)
If you go to the #fw room some of the mods greet C4eva with GRETTINGS SIR LET ME TAKE YOUR COAT...okay not the take your coat part but they do say hello SIR and worship him
Fable 3 isn't very good (Fable 2 is better) so people who can't play Fable 3 yet you're not missing much
I figure anyone who would take the time/effort to do such services for the community deserves some respect.
As for fable 3, I'm more concerned with whether I can play my older games after the update :/
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 31, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Slateboard @ Oct 31 2010, 10:35 PM)
I figure anyone who would take the time/effort to do such services for the community deserves some respect.
As for fable 3, I'm more concerned with whether I can play my older games after the update :/
Some respect sure but he's the only name we hear about AND read the Iriez link above he sheds some light
on the topic of Fable 3, C4eva is made to look like some hero and heroes are never as clear cut as most make them out to be
This post has been edited by MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3: Nov 1 2010, 06:39 AM
Post by: MethosSS24 on November 01, 2010, 12:49:00 AM
I have sammy spoofed as liteon and i want to buy kinect so at this point the update is inevitable.
i dont care about xboxlive i will buy a new slim when the new LT+ will be released
My questione is
i must reflash the drive as samsungto play the backups?
If i update my sammy will play the new games?
tHanx
Post by: Ic3l0rd on November 01, 2010, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE(PacinoAllstars @ Oct 31 2010, 07:44 PM)
Will our accounts and gamtertags remain intact?
So if I buy a new xbox and dont flash it, can I still use the account that is played with/associated on the banned console.
Would suck really hard if the accounts is permanently corrupted
You could still use accounts.
It's the console that's banned, not your gamertag.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 01, 2010, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Ic3l0rd @ Nov 1 2010, 08:03 AM)
You could still use accounts.
It's the console that's banned, not your gamertag.
Actually if you use an account on a banned console it will become corrupted and only work on that console and transferring it for use on an unbanned console will show the profile as corrupted.
You will have to transfer the profile to you computer and use the "CON Flag Remover" if you want to be able to use the profile between the banned console and the unbanned one. Keep in mind that any time you sign in to the banned console, it will re-corrupt your profile and you will have to use the Flag Remover app again each time you go from the banned console to the unbanned on.
Post by: jokuvuan on November 01, 2010, 01:56:00 AM
If I've played Fable II (SSV2) on Live with the curret Dashboard, and normal LT firmware is there still a risk of getting banned? Or do you get flagged only if playing Fable III on the new Dashboard and have to wait for C4va's new firmware?
Post by: MethosSS24 on November 01, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
QUOTE(jokuvuan @ Nov 1 2010, 09:56 AM)
So I've read this thread and didn't see any answer to this question:
If I've played Fable II (SSV2) on Live with the curret Dashboard, and normal LT firmware is there still a risk of getting banned? Or do you get flagged only if playing Fable III on the new Dashboard and have to wait for C4va's new firmware?
Its always risk but the new check its on the new dashboard only.
So, I presume we are safe for now
Post by: jokuvuan on November 01, 2010, 02:07:00 AM
QUOTE(MethosSS24 @ Nov 1 2010, 09:02 AM)
Its always risk but the new check its on the new dashboard only.
So, I presume we are safe for now
Thank you for a quick reply!
I think I'll take my LAN-cable off my xbox and continue playing Fallout New Vegas and Fable III offline for now. Then, when the new LT+ comes out, I'll upgrade to it and let Live update my achievement progress.
Post by: afhaaljap on November 01, 2010, 04:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Auyx @ Oct 30 2010, 02:19 PM)
It is basicly flagging your machine up for a ban. I wish I knew more but you can look here for more info and to check if your machine is AP25 Flagged: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkVlyZyFluvBpsPeAC.php
LOL, C4E confirmed it and you still want somebody else to confirm it?
LOL, C4E confirmed it and you still want somebody else to confirm it?
Post by: PacinoAllstars on November 01, 2010, 04:46:00 AM
So pro evolution 2011 does not contain ap2.5 checks.
Anyone tried starwars force unleashed 2 on the new dashboard? Hope that game does not contains any ap 2.5 checks!
Post by: onemandivision on November 01, 2010, 04:55:00 AM
I heard that you could downgrade the copyprotection on games and then burn them again to make it work. Would that be an option for Fable 3?
any help would be grately appeciated!
Post by: Gavster on November 01, 2010, 04:59:00 AM
QUOTE(onemandivision @ Nov 1 2010, 11:55 AM)
I just updated to the new Dashboard, because I read online that copyprotection would not be updated. Unluckily, Fable 3 is the only game that seems to be affected, but also the game I was currently playing. Any options for getting it to work?
I heard that you could downgrade the copyprotection on games and then burn them again to make it work. Would that be an option for Fable 3?
any help would be grately appeciated!
Just use your original fable 3. The new dash can only detect your backup copy. The original will pass and play fine.
Gavster
Post by: onemandivision on November 01, 2010, 05:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Gavster @ Nov 1 2010, 12:59 PM)
Just use your original fable 3. The new dash can only detect your backup copy. The original will pass and play fine.
Gavster
Alright thanks, i will do that for now. Would there be any other solution for the future?
Post by: rIKmAN on November 01, 2010, 05:08:00 AM
I know c4e has said Samsung and some Hitachi, but which models?
I have a couple of Hitachi's here and am wondering if they will do the checks or not.
Post by: loggio on November 01, 2010, 05:11:00 AM
QUOTE(rIKmAN @ Nov 1 2010, 12:08 PM)
Is there any confirmation or information on which drives are / are not affected by AP2.5?
I know c4e has said Samsung and some Hitachi, but which models?
I have a couple of Hitachi's here and am wondering if they will do the checks or not.
he also said that they will detect if you've changed your drive to a hitachi/samsung on the new dash... Therefore will be flagged. But if you're talking about offline use... then why don't you try it? won't hurt. Then you can tell us.
Post by: Ic3l0rd on November 01, 2010, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: loggio on November 01, 2010, 05:39:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=723021
please keep the posts clean and informative.
Thanks
*edit link fixed
Post by: Drefsab on November 01, 2010, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: opencube on November 01, 2010, 06:03:00 AM
Seriously.... whats more important to you, being without LIVE for a few weeks/not being able to play Fable 3? Or being banned completely?
Patience is a virtue!
Post by: Drefsab on November 01, 2010, 06:15:00 AM
Post by: pinkerton on November 01, 2010, 06:16:00 AM
Let me get this straight.
LT+new dashboard+old backups=fine
LT+new dashboard+new backups=FAIL
"LT+"+new dashboard+new backups= ROCK ON.
Am I right?
Post by: Asphixiate on November 01, 2010, 06:24:00 AM
I have 2 boxes and will probably go ahead and update both as one is modded and one is not. I will just not play any copied games in the modded one and will hold out as long as I can have Netflix and ESPN (in new dash I think) I will be happy.
Post by: izay99 on November 01, 2010, 06:57:00 AM
I have a 360 which original DVD drive is a Lite-On. In that 360, I have a Hitachi spoofed as Lite-On, with iXtreme 1.51. I updated that 360 to the new Kinect Dashboard. It fails the Fable 3 check. I also have another 360 with a Hitachi flashed with iXtreme 1.51, and this 360 pass the Fable 3 check.
Hitachi---------- spoofed as Lite-On w/ iXtreme 1.51 = Fails Fable 3 check
Hitachi---------- w/ iXtreme 1.51 = Pass Fable 3 check
I have another 360 with a BenQ flashed with LT 1.1. I haven't update that one yet. As soon as I get to update that one I'll post if it pass or fail Fable 3 checks. My 360Slim is working great with the new dashboard!
Post by: audi_a8 on November 01, 2010, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 1 2010, 02:16 PM)
Nice to see Fable 3 is still up on ABGX as verified with SSV2, shouldnt that be taken down ASAP as it really has SSV3??
Am I right?
can you write the new 0800 then?
Post by: C.Troy on November 01, 2010, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Drefsab @ Nov 1 2010, 01:00 PM)
hmm wonder if the new call of duty black ops will use AP2.5
it doesn't. plays fine on the latest dash.
Post by: Robyj on November 01, 2010, 07:02:00 AM
So Can I refuse to update my dash and however play the game OFFLINE?
Post by: pinkerton on November 01, 2010, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(audi_a8 @ Nov 1 2010, 12:59 PM)
can you write the new 0800 then?
Thats not the point! No need to be a smartass.
The point is people will still update to it thinking its ok and get banned for it.
Post by: C.Troy on November 01, 2010, 07:26:00 AM
<c4eva> logged entire update process, no vendor packets, only standard inquiry and key exchange, so update process safe!
<c4eva> fable 3 not safe! ap2.5 active for that title with new dash!
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 01, 2010, 07:39:00 AM
Entire transcript here: http://paste2.org/p/1066530
Post by: 360ballin on November 01, 2010, 08:09:00 AM
also will it be doe for crysis 2?
Post by: booker21 on November 01, 2010, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 11:25 PM)
Each 360 disc contains a video partition with a video in it that displays "To play this disc, put it into an Xbox 360 console" in different languages. Sometimes the video partition also contains a dashboard update. The different versions of the video partition are the different "waves".
There's 7 known waves at the moment, but let's say wave 8 comes out which contains the Kinect dashboard update. If you patch the video partition to an older wave, that means that the Kinect dashboard update will no longer be on the disc. A game that's patched like this is not safe for use on Xbox Live, but it will mean that you can play games without being forced to upgrade to the Kinect dashboard. That is, unless newer games are designed not to boot at all unless the Kinect dashboard installed, but we won't know if that's the case until a wave 8 (or whichever wave contains the Kinect dashboard update) game comes out.
Thank you, so for Offline players only, wave patching the Games to a lower wave should bypass the kinect dashboard installation.
Unless MS does something on the new Wave8 games.
Wave7 are still patchable right?
Post by: zmclean on November 01, 2010, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Nov 1 2010, 05:26 AM)
from c4eva apparently
<c4eva> logged entire update process, no vendor packets, only standard inquiry and key exchange, so update process safe!
<c4eva> fable 3 not safe! ap2.5 active for that title with new dash!
So you can update without rolling back to stock firmware safely?
Post by: 360ballin on November 01, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: champ2131 on November 01, 2010, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(zmclean @ Nov 1 2010, 08:19 AM)
So you can update without rolling back to stock firmware safely?
That's what it sounds like to me.
Post by: m02a on November 01, 2010, 08:45:00 AM
I have a lite-on drive flashed with LT and haven't updated to the new dashboard yet. I did try to boot Fable 3 and I have no problems playing it.. my question is, is my xbox flagged for ban now cause of the AP2.5 check? and would it change anything if I wait for LT+, flashed my drive, installed the new dashboard and went online? will my xbox still be flagged?
Thanks
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 01, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: rIKmAN on November 01, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
QUOTE(loggio @ Nov 1 2010, 11:11 AM)
he also said that they will detect if you've changed your drive to a hitachi/samsung on the new dash... Therefore will be flagged. But if you're talking about offline use... then why don't you try it? won't hurt. Then you can tell us.
My drive is not spoofed, it's an original Hitachi which is flashed with an old ixtreme (not sure which) but I have to use the wave patcher to make newer games boot.
This console has been on Live for the last 3yrs, not banned and played regularly with games that have been wave patched.
This is why I'm wondering what Hitachi's are immune to AP2.5...I'm hoping I may have one but don't want to update and f*ck it all up on day 1 of the new dash.
Post by: blackg1000 on November 01, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Auyx @ Oct 30 2010, 01:19 PM)
It is basicly flagging your machine up for a ban. I wish I knew more but you can look here for more info and to check if your machine is AP25 Flagged: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkVlyZyFluvBpsPeAC.php
How do you get the decrypted x value when using Xval 2.0? I'm not sure how to get this.
Post by: m02a on November 01, 2010, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 1 2010, 02:46 PM)
The answer to your question is to use XVAL2.0 to check if you've been flagged. If you haven't updated to the Kinect beta or final dashboards then you're safe for now.
Thanks a lot for the quick response... I tried the tool and it says my xbox is clean
Thanks again for the help
@blackg1000
Try this:
QUOTE(ORange-9mm @ Nov 20 2009, 01:48 AM)
RedLine99: Thanks for the tool, it does show my box as being banned so yes, it worked for me.
Others who need more info:
From the Xbox 360 dashboard:
My Xbox, System Settings, Console Settings, System Info.
The Console Serial Number is at the top and the X value is the 16 digit code at the bottom right.
Post by: blackg1000 on November 01, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
Seems my 360 is clean aswell, win!
Post by: m02a on November 01, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
enjoy
Post by: hevydani on November 01, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Right I've read around and know that spoofing to Sammy will get you banned, but I have a Sammy spoofed as anoth
Post by: bucky006 on November 01, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:29 PM)
hi,does anyone know when the new LT+ will come out? because i really want it to come out before cod:black ops comes out so can anyone please tell me,thanks
NO ETA
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 10:33:00 AM
thanks
Post by: funksoulbrother on November 01, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(blackg1000 @ Nov 1 2010, 04:03 PM)
How do you get the decrypted x value when using Xval 2.0? I'm not sure how to get this.
To use Xval 2.0: -
1. Download the program.
2. Start your 360 up and go to the System Info section in Console Settings.
3. Write down the console serial number and the string of characters after "X:" at the bottom of the same page.
4. Enter this info into Xval 2.0 and press the Decrypt button.
Post by: Evi1d33d on November 01, 2010, 10:35:00 AM
. People on new dash can play the leak just fine so I guess we lucked out.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 10:41:00 AM
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
Post by: Spark on November 01, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
QUOTE(champ2131 @ Nov 1 2010, 03:36 PM)
That's what it sounds like to me.
No, that reads to me, and it may just be from my perspective, that users may be OK to update to the new kernel but should be very careful with new titles.
If it was me then I would suggest flashing back to stock before updating the kernel but to each their own I guess.
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:38 PM)
thanks for that info Evil,but do you know when LT+ comes out?
Did you not stop to wonder why you are about the 20th person in this thread to ask that question and as yet nobody has given a solid response?
It will be ready when it's ready, could be days, weeks or months, nobody knows yet outside of Team Jungle.
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 1 2010, 01:16 PM)
Nice to see Fable 3 is still up on ABGX as verified with SSV2, shouldnt that be taken down ASAP as it really has SSV3??
Am I right?
No you're completely wrong.
No original game uses SSv1, v2, v3. These are just custom angling methods used by the firmwares to rip, read and report the ss back to the console.
That's why even 2005 launch titles will have verified v2 ss files in that database. There will likely be an ssv3 verified file for Fable 3 and a lot of other titles once a common ripping method for ssv3 is established.
Post by: shimz on November 01, 2010, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Robyj @ Nov 1 2010, 06:02 AM)
I have a question: For example: assassin's creed brotherood (when it comes out) has the dashboard inside. So when i put the game into the console, the xbox ask me to update my dash.
So Can I refuse to update my dash and however play the game OFFLINE?
THIS is what I wanna know as well! If I update my modded 360 I cant play certain games, mostly ones coming out soon. But if I don't update it then when these upcoming games do come out and ask for the update, can I just say no and still play it offline, or will it not let me play it at all?
I have 2 360s: 1 retail and 1 modded. I share the same hard drive and use a LIVE profile on the retail and a non-LIVE profile on the modded one.
thanks, seems like you are screwed if you update and screwed if you don't update. Not that I need to update my retail one anyway, I dont play multiplayer anymore and use my ps3 for netflix.
Post by: Yuriferr on November 01, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
This post has been edited by Yuriferr: Nov 1 2010, 05:55 PM
Post by: bucky006 on November 01, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Yuriferr @ Nov 1 2010, 05:54 PM)
Well, i just updated it. That wasn't to smart. I am not playing online till the new LT+ update. But i have a question, how do you update such a update. Like the TeamJungle LT+ update. I am not really experienced in that kind of things. Some Help would be nice.
LT+ is a DVD firmware update, as opposed to M$ which is a system update.
Post by: Yuriferr on November 01, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(bucky006 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:00 PM)
LT+ is a DVD firmware update, as opposed to M$ which is a system update.
Hmm ok, and how am i able to put it on my xbox? Just burn it on a dvd and play it in your xbox?
Post by: shimz on November 01, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
I have never plugged my modded 360 online and dont plan on it.
can anyone confirm that I am right?
This post has been edited by shimz: Nov 1 2010, 06:11 PM
Post by: Spark on November 01, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Yuriferr @ Nov 1 2010, 06:06 PM)
Hmm ok, and how am i able to put it on my xbox? Just burn it on a dvd and play it in your xbox?
This is probably why new registration on X-S should be blocked throughout the winter months.
Post by: korn0413 on November 01, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Yuriferr @ Nov 1 2010, 06:06 PM)
Hmm ok, and how am i able to put it on my xbox? Just burn it on a dvd and play it in your xbox?
You have to flash the dvd drive on your xbox. (Take it apart, hook up to computer, etc). This would have had to be done previously if you're playing backups right now. I'm assuming you had someone else do it?
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 11:15:00 AM
we are all already confirmed that 46 and 47 hitachis dont have ap 2.5 but since i readed some cases of ppl with hitachi 78 that claimed they are playing fable 3 after update... then...
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
Post by: Yuriferr on November 01, 2010, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ Nov 1 2010, 06:11 PM)
This is probably why new registration on X-S should be blocked throughout the winter months.
I don't know much about these things. I do know that i still want to play online without being banned. So maybe it's a stupid question for you but not for me. And if you know it so good, why don't you answer me question. I't would help me out.
QUOTE(korn0413 @ Nov 1 2010, 06:12 PM)
You have to flash the dvd drive on your xbox. (Take it apart, hook up to computer, etc). This would have had to be done previously if you're playing backups right now. I'm assuming you had someone else do it?
Uhm, i brought my xbox to someone and he modded it for me. I am just playing burned games. That's the only thing i know. My English isn't to good also. So i hope you understand me. Maybe it's just a better idea to return to the man who did it for me or is it just a little thing to do? Cause if i go to the man who modded it , i may have to pay 50 for it.
Post by: Spark on November 01, 2010, 11:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Yuriferr @ Nov 1 2010, 06:20 PM)
I don't know much about these things. I do know that i still want to play online without being banned. So maybe it's a stupid question for you but not for me. And if you know it so good, why don't you answer me question. I't would help me out.
Uhm, i brought my xbox to someone and he modded it for me. I am just playing burned games. That's the only thing i know. My English isn't to good also. So i hope you understand me. Maybe it's just a better idea to return to the man who did it for me or is it just a little thing to do? Cause if i go to the man who modded it , i may have to pay 50 for it.
You will need to give it back to the person who did it for you.
And for the record, people shouldn't have to answer questions like that since forums and tutorials are available across the internet, likely even in your native language.
Post by: shimz on November 01, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
I have asked a few questions and will be VERY grateful if I can get an answer.
cheers everyone, thanks for the help!
Post by: elcappo on November 01, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...3030&st=30#
QUOTE(boxamania @ Nov 1 2010, 05:55 PM)
QUOTE(elcappo @ Nov 1 2010, 05:40 PM)
we are all already confirmed that 46 and 47 hitachis dont have ap 2.5 but since i readed some cases of ppl with hitachi 78 that claimed they are playing fable 3 after update... then...
can someone confirms if hitachi 59dj have AP 2.5 or not? (cause 59dj is older than 78)
I have an unbanned system with hitachi 59 drive. Xval reported clean secdata before dash update. updated to kinect dash. Backup up Fable 3 loads fine with ssv2. Also loaded a backup of fallout New Vegas which I ripped that is ssv1. Fallout loads fine. Checked secdata after loading both games. Secdata is clean. So I'm assuming Hitachi 59 with Ixtreme 1.51 firmware doesn't have AP2.5.
Then ACCORDING TO THIS... HITACHI 59DJ DONT HAVE AP 2.5? IM RIGHT?
THX IN ADVANCE...
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: jfox99 on November 01, 2010, 01:34:00 PM
Sorry, I hope this wasn't too confusing.
This post has been edited by jfox99: Nov 1 2010, 08:37 PM
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on November 01, 2010, 01:46:00 PM
I'd lol all day if he Tweeted "LT vulnerability! Don't go online! Bans are imminent!" just to see everyone's reaction.
Then again, I am a douche bag. :3
It's interesting to see Microsoft responding to modified firmwares with more tech than lawsuits.
Makes me wonder if future consoles will have any (undetectable) vulnerability at all.
Edit:
QUOTE(jfox99 @ Nov 1 2010, 01:34 PM)
Since I use one GamerTag on two different consoles, should I hold off on updating the dashboard on my unmodded console (A)? I didn't put the new update on my modded, offline console ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif), and I won't. But I was planning on updating the unmodded one (A) that I use on Live. Do you think that would corrupt the GamerTag? And do you think that will prevent me from booting a Fable 3 backup on the modded unupdated console ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)?
Sorry, I hope this wasn't too confusing.
Updating on your online console will not do any (visible) thing to your profile. It is fine to update.
(Code within your profile will mark which dashboards you have used, but it's not illegal to use an old dashboard after updating.)
This post has been edited by Ketchup_Bomb: Nov 1 2010, 08:48 PM
Post by: shimz on November 01, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
The retail 360 auto signs-in my LIVE profile
the modded OFFLINE 360 auto signs-in my non-LIVE profile
Post by: Ic3l0rd on November 01, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Oct 30 2010, 06:19 PM)
the fact the consoles never online they can not ban it.
Sure as... well, you know.
This is the simplest cure againts Live ban.
Now, Microsoft can see everything in our console - hackers should really pick up on M$ software, it should really make things easier.
Post by: slim2fattycake on November 01, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: jokuvuan on November 01, 2010, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: xx MysticSunrise xx on November 01, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
Will I be able to play Black Ops or any other new game online with my JTag and Freeboot, or do we have to wait on a new "Freeboot"? Let's say I have a retail copy of Black Ops...could I go ahead and load that up while connected to LIVE? If I do, what will happen to my console?
It looks like my concerns are different than those with AP2.5 / Flashed console concerns?
Kind of a two part question....many thanks to anyone with some experience who can clear this up for me.
This post has been edited by xx MysticSunrise xx: Nov 2 2010, 12:07 AM
Post by: danthaman673 on November 01, 2010, 05:08:00 PM
QUOTE
[LT+ is a DVD firmware update, as opposed to M$ which is a system update.
QUOTE
Hmm ok, and how am i able to put it on my xbox? Just burn it on a dvd and play it in your xbox?
ROFL! (best one for a while - don't take it personally I guess google translate is letting you guys down)
BTW FYI M$ = Micro$oft
This post has been edited by danthaman673: Nov 2 2010, 12:10 AM
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on November 01, 2010, 06:33:00 PM
QUOTE(xx MysticSunrise xx @ Nov 1 2010, 05:06 PM)
I've read through this entire thread, and I'm still not clear (most likely because I'm new to JTags and just got mine last week).
Will I be able to play Black Ops or any other new game online with my JTag and Freeboot, or do we have to wait on a new "Freeboot"? Let's say I have a retail copy of Black Ops...could I go ahead and load that up while connected to LIVE? If I do, what will happen to my console?
It looks like my concerns are different than those with AP2.5 / Flashed console concerns?
Kind of a two part question....many thanks to anyone with some experience who can clear this up for me.
Will I be able to play Black Ops or any other new game online with my JTag and Freeboot, or do we have to wait on a new "Freeboot"? Let's say I have a retail copy of Black Ops...could I go ahead and load that up while connected to LIVE? If I do, what will happen to my console?
It looks like my concerns are different than those with AP2.5 / Flashed console concerns?
Kind of a two part question....many thanks to anyone with some experience who can clear this up for me.
Yes, please, as soon as you can connect to Xbox Live with your JTAG'd console. >_<'
You'll be banned within minutes. Maybe then you can use your free time to actually research what's going on.
...You might want to look up what a JTAG console is too, after you've paid the person to do it for you.
This post has been edited by Ketchup_Bomb: Nov 2 2010, 01:35 AM
Post by: Gran on November 01, 2010, 11:30:00 PM
I will not update my console for the meantime since I don't really play online. Thanks for the insightful and informative posts. Thanks all!
Post by: korn0413 on November 01, 2010, 11:38:00 PM
@Gran - Yes there are "traces." M$ can see everything you've played and when you played it regardless of when/if you ever connected to live on that box.
Post by: viper3344 on November 02, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
It works on the old samsungs as well as a select few hitachi's
Now, there have been rumors that it will also boot on drives with NON LT non steath ixtreme firmwares. (lite ons)
Does anyone have any more information?
Post by: bache on November 02, 2010, 03:36:00 AM
I have an old Samsung MS28 flashed with Lt 1.0, and I'm on dash 9199.
The most recent backup I have played on my 360 is Halo Reach, which being released like last month or something, would have AP2.5.
I don't intend on playing Fable 3, so I should be fine right?
I just want a few basic answers.
1) Is this update going to flag my console? I'm unsure, as it's been said AP2.5 does not affect Samsung drives.
2) If I want to update, should I flash to stock first, update, then flash back to Lt?
3) Do I have to worry about my GT being corrupted?
4) Do I need to reburn my old backups?
5) Am I going to be banned for playing originals on a flashed console?
As I said, I've read the entire thread, and can't seem to get a straight answer out of it, so some clarification would be great thanks.
This post has been edited by bache: Nov 2 2010, 10:37 AM
Post by: Gavster on November 02, 2010, 04:24:00 AM
QUOTE(bache @ Nov 2 2010, 10:36 AM)
Ok guys, so I've read through this entire thread, and it appears no one can really come to a general consensus.
I have an old Samsung MS28 flashed with Lt 1.0, and I'm on dash 9199.
The most recent backup I have played on my 360 is Halo Reach, which being released like last month or something, would have AP2.5.
I don't intend on playing Fable 3, so I should be fine right?
I just want a few basic answers.
1) Is this update going to flag my console? I'm unsure, as it's been said AP2.5 does not affect Samsung drives.
2) If I want to update, should I flash to stock first, update, then flash back to Lt?
3) Do I have to worry about my GT being corrupted?
4) Do I need to reburn my old backups?
5) Am I going to be banned for playing originals on a flashed console?
As I said, I've read the entire thread, and can't seem to get a straight answer out of it, so some clarification would be great thanks.
1) Is this update going to flag my console? I'm unsure, as it's been said AP2.5 does not affect Samsung drives. NO samsung CAN'T do AP2.5
2) If I want to update, should I flash to stock first, update, then flash back to Lt? Yes it is safer but Ceva said it is not really necessary
3) Do I have to worry about my GT being corrupted? Not if your backup is good
4) Do I need to reburn my old backups? No as your Samsunc CAN'T do AP2.5
5) Am I going to be banned for playing originals on a flashed console? NO all originals would pass AP2.5 (Providing your drive supports it)
Gav
Post by: bache on November 02, 2010, 04:30:00 AM
I'm predicting a nice, steep price hike in Sammies!
I'm about to update right now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I've just testedmy X value, and it appears to be clean, so I'll let you guys know again what it is after the update.
I have one final question, I have no idea what I have to do with the SSv3, so if I leave it as is, will I have problems?
This post has been edited by bache: Nov 2 2010, 11:32 AM
Post by: Gavster on November 02, 2010, 04:40:00 AM
QUOTE(bache @ Nov 2 2010, 11:30 AM)
Thankyou so much for the answers Gav!
I'm predicting a nice, steep price hike in Sammies!
I'm about to update right now
I've just testedmy X value, and it appears to be clean, so I'll let you guys know again what it is after the update.
I have one final question, I have no idea what I have to do with the SSv3, so if I leave it as is, will I have problems?
Sammy's can't be spoofed into another xbox that did not originally have a sammy, M$ would detect and ban this.
There is no information yet on what will be needed for SSv3 other than a 0800 drive will be needed and possibly a rewrite/update to the app to dump games.
Gav
Post by: digipimp75 on November 02, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ Nov 1 2010, 01:11 PM)
This is probably why new registration on X-S should be blocked throughout the winter months.
LOL this is the best statement in this thread!
Bunch of f**king retards on here with absolutely no clue of what's going on.
Post by: Hydden on November 02, 2010, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 02:16 PM)
guys i have a questions.. will i be "flagging" myself if i update the new dashboard update even though all the game i play are all RETAIL(original) will i still be on that risk of getting banned?
Why would you be banned for playing only retail?
Unless your box is modded..then why would it be, if you only play retail?
..confused..
Post by: Hydden on November 02, 2010, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(digipimp75 @ Nov 2 2010, 09:41 AM)
LOL this is the best statement in this thread!
Bunch of f**king retards on here with absolutely no clue of what's going on.Don't you think that's maybe why they came here in the first place? ...to get information?
Of course, you knew everything when you signed up here LAST holiday season (December) when the ban hammer hit, right? I wonder what kind of posts we would find if we searched your profile?
Without people helping each other out here, the whole basis of a forum, what's the point? I hope his intention behind the response was to lock registrations during this time, forcing new people to read everything to find their answers, instead of blindly posting the same questions over again.
So how about showing a little fuckin respect to others and you might get some in return. Poor taste for a 35-36 yr old anyway, Mr. digipimp.
Post by: elcappo on November 02, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Bearhug on November 03, 2010, 02:04:00 AM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 31 2010, 12:16 AM)
Non-stealth firmware makes no difference with the Kinect dashboard. Fable 3 won't boot on it and if you try and boot it, your console is flagged and you can no longer swap your gamertag between consoles. I can confirm that 100%.
Does anyone know how we can identify games that are affected by AP2.5? Obviously, if you try and boot it and it says "This disc is unreadable" that's possibly a good sign, but there needs to be a way to identify them before they're booted. Is there a way?
Funksoul. So are you saying that any console, online or not that fails the AP2.5 check will automatically flag all content on that console (So corrupt it if moved to a non-flagged console)? What are you basing that on? Have you actually tested and verified it?
My understanding is that there is currently no issue with AP2.5 checks on the older dashboard (As the dash doesn't include it). So, if you avoid any dash updates you can at least continue to play all older games and still transfer acheivements, games saves etc between consoles (including a NXE to a Kinect Dash console). The probelm will them come when games start including a forced dash update. So at this point, if your correct if the modded console becomes flagged from playing a AP2.5 game your saying I can no longer transfer my profile to that console, regardless of whether it's been conected to live or not.
I'm not saying your wrong, but I was of the impression, the the AP2.5 check at this stage is merely flagging, not banning. So I'm just curious to how you got to that conclusion. If it's flagging some sort of action needs to be taken to actually then cause a ban.
By all means I'm not saying that a dash update won't be implemented once the bans are rolled out that does exactly that.
It's just that I'd be surprised if an older dash becomes uncompatible with a newer dash's files, as it sort of kills compatabilty between consoles? So I play on a kinect dash console, go over to my oldies with my profile on a memory card and because they're on an old dash I can't use it??? I can't see M$ be that difficult.
Post by: lindigj on November 03, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Bearhug @ Nov 3 2010, 09:04 AM)
Funksoul. So are you saying that any console, online or not that fails the AP2.5 check will automatically flag all content on that console (So corrupt it if moved to a non-flagged console)? <-- It will flag you for being banned, bans have not gone out yet, so subsequently the HD corruption has not occurred.
What are you basing that on? <-- If you mean the online/offline part, it definitely flags you whether or not you are online. It will not immediately ban you by going online, but you will be flagged on MS' servers at that point.
My understanding is that there is currently no issue with AP2.5 checks on the older dashboard (As the dash doesn't include it). <-- This is correct as far as we know. There certainly are no reports of any games on the old dashboard of any AP2.5 games not loading. Also no one has reported being flagged on XVal after playing an AP2.5 game on the old dash.
So, if you avoid any dash updates you can at least continue to play all older games and still transfer acheivements, games saves etc between consoles (including a NXE to a Kinect Dash console). <-- Yes, you can avoid any concerns at all by staying on the old dashboard. That said, you can still transfer saves / achievements, etc to other consoles from a HD that is on a flagged console. No actual bans / corruptions have gone out yet.
The probelm will them come when games start including a forced dash update. So at this point, if your correct if the modded console becomes flagged from playing a AP2.5 game your saying I can no longer transfer my profile to that console, regardless of whether it's been conected to live or not. <-- Right, he is wrong about that part, no bans / corruption yet.
I'm not saying your wrong, but I was of the impression, the the AP2.5 check at this stage is merely flagging, not banning. So I'm just curious to how you got to that conclusion. If it's flagging some sort of action needs to be taken to actually then cause a ban. <-- To add, we actually do not know they will be corrupting HDs this time around. This is merely speculation, and with all the flak they took after doing that in the past, I'm actually speculating that they will NOT corrupt HDs and merely ban people from XBLive and lock your HD to your console specifically.
It's just that I'd be surprised if an older dash becomes uncompatible with a newer dash's files, as it sort of kills compatabilty between consoles? So I play on a kinect dash console, go over to my oldies with my profile on a memory card and because they're on an old dash I can't use it??? I can't see M$ be that difficult. <-- AFTER the bans go in to effect, this actually will probably be the case. It won't matter if they are on an old dash, new dash, flashed, or not flashed. Your HD would be locked to your XBox to keep you from playing offline on yours and then updating your profile on someone else's unbanned XBox.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 03, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: Gupper on November 03, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: d2fmb on November 03, 2010, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Gupper @ Nov 3 2010, 03:17 PM)
I know I have lite-on drive but little else (friend sorts the xbox for me). Just to let everyone know I have a retail copy of Fable 3 and my son updated to the new dash. The game does not work, I have checked it on another xbox with the old dash and it works perfectly. On the new dash the game launches striaght to disk unreadable message. Does anyone think that even retail copies of Fable 3 are somehow picking it's being played on a modded 360?
You should first tell us what firmware is on the drive before anyone would even be able to help you. Is it Ixtreme 6.0 or LT1.1?
Post by: BlazinGraphix on November 04, 2010, 09:53:00 AM
I am running a Samsung drive MS25, it has a non-stealth firmware I believe it is 1.61. I am already banned so I do not care about that. I can boot Fable 3 right now with no issues. If I update to the new Kinect dashboard will I still be able to boot Fable 3 and future AP 2.5 games?
Post by: blacfrost on November 04, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
QUOTE(blackg1000 @ Nov 1 2010, 04:03 PM)
How do you get the decrypted x value when using Xval 2.0? I'm not sure how to get this.
You need to goto your System Info screen and in the bottom right corner is some number/letters separated by dashes.
"xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx" something like that, thats your X value you need to plug in.
Post by: blacfrost on November 04, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(digipimp75 @ Nov 2 2010, 03:41 PM)
LOL this is the best statement in this thread!
Bunch of f**king retards on here with absolutely no clue of what's going on.If i was on Reddit... id upvote you and the original person that stated this. JUST READ THE DAMN FORUMS ppl... any questions you have, have already been asked at least 1 - 3 DOZEN times... i you dont see an answer.. then there isnt one yet... just be patient. I knows its hard.. ive modded 4 or 5 of my friends boxes and they are all barking at me to get "things" answered..
Its just going to take time.... be patient and wait...
Post by: EarthWormJim on November 04, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
Just a thought
Edit
Just read a reply about this on the last page, my bad
Post by: airjordan22 on November 04, 2010, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: StinkyMojo on November 04, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 4 2010, 03:38 PM)
can someone please send me the link of the website or whatever so i can check if my xbox is flagged or not with ap2.5 so someone please send me the link so i can check,thanks
http://www.xbox-scen...FluvBpsPeAC.php
Post by: ace_012 on November 06, 2010, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: woadi954 on November 07, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: sidneysides on November 07, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(woadi954 @ Nov 7 2010, 05:08 PM)
Is their a way to remove the ap2.5 from the game so i can play on my ban xbox?
For God's sake
Post by: Renova on November 07, 2010, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(woadi954 @ Nov 7 2010, 06:08 PM)
Is their a way to remove the ap2.5 from the game so i can play on my ban xbox?
You have got to be kidding me. Think you've missed the point of this. Lt+ is your solution and no1 knows when it will come out.
Post by: woadi954 on November 07, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Renova @ Nov 7 2010, 12:25 PM)
You have got to be kidding me. Think you've missed the point of this. Lt+ is your solution and no1 knows when it will come out.
Its was a question but thanks anyways
Post by: masterchan777 on November 07, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
Any help would be appreciated ...
Post by: sidneysides on November 07, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(masterchan777 @ Nov 7 2010, 05:47 PM)
I have two DVD drives one is a Samsung MS25 from my RRODead box and the other is a LiteOn from my working one, can I spoof the old Sammy as a LiteOn with iXtreme LT and use it in my working box without being flagged ?
Any help would be appreciated ...
Spoofing = Flag = Ban
End of.
Post by: masterchan777 on November 07, 2010, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(sidneysides @ Nov 7 2010, 07:48 PM)
Spoofing = Flag = Ban
End of.
Thanks
Post by: Chancer on November 07, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
People flaming and insulting will find the same applies to them..
Newbie chat is for Newbie questions this is supposed to be the Technical Hacking Section.
No more warnings
Post by: topspot on November 27, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 27, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: topspot on November 27, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 27 2010, 03:08 PM)
Samsung doesn't support ap2.5, it'll boot, no flag, though really you should update to LT.
thanks for the quick reply, what advantage would having LT firmware be?