Post by: Xbox-Scene on October 25, 2010, 04:44:00 AM
New Protections Added to Leaked 12606 and Fall2010 Dashboard? Posted by XanTium | October 25 06:44 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| A new beta version [build 12606] of the Fall 2010 [alias 'Kinect'] dashboard has been leaked on the internet a few days ago and it seems like Microsoft added new protections to it. Several users seems to report problems booting certain games from recordable media on 360s with a modified DVD FW. One of the titles affected seems to be Fable III. The game boots fine from any media on the current dashboard on a 360 with modified FW, but fails to boot from recordable media on the leaked/12606 beta dashboard ["This disc is unreadable"] - while the retail disc will work just fine according to #FW@EFnet. Right now it's unclear which games, DVD models and/or modified FWs are exactly affected. The new fall 2010 dashboard might get official released tomorrow [Tuesday Oct 26th 2010] (unconfirmed date, but it will be before Nov 4th anyway) to all 360 owners, so we suggest you do NOT update if you have a modified FW until we know more about these issues. JTAG users should of course not update at all (will lock-out old CB and make the JTAG hack impossible), they should wait for a new rebooter. News-Source: #FW@EFnet, gx-mod.com, xboxgen.fr, logic-sunrise.com |
Post by: Popple on October 25, 2010, 04:55:00 AM
I never liked the blades either I think the current NXE dash is the best.
Post by: DARKFiB3R on October 25, 2010, 04:55:00 AM
[11:07am] <CRIMINALL> doesnt fable 3 work?
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> i thought that was just bullshit
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> i havent burned it yet
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> waiting for verification, etc
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> numerous people have it working on the latest dash
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> including one of my friends list
[11:08am] <CRIMINALL> pretty sure the fable stuff is just bullshit/the fact that the dash is a beta
[11:09am] <FiB3R> well which is it?
[11:09am] <CRIMINALL> both.
[11:09am] <FiB3R> thats a contradiction
[11:09am] <CRIMINALL> not really
[11:09am] <CRIMINALL> it takes forever to get it to load
[11:09am] <CRIMINALL> you have to sit at the dash for a min before clicking a to start
[11:10am] <CRIMINALL> but it DOES boot
[11:10am] <CRIMINALL> it'll be fixed on tuesday when the final build comes out
[11:11am] <CRIMINALL> heres the problem
[11:11am] <CRIMINALL> there are 3 problems
[11:11am] <CRIMINALL> ONE: people sto pirated the dash and dont have the avatar assets
[11:11am] <CRIMINALL> fable wont boot in that case
[11:11am] <CRIMINALL> TWO: People are fucking stupid.
[11:12am] <CRIMINALL> THREE: You need to wait at the dash for a sec for the game to load
[11:12am] <FiB3R> three, see two lol
[11:12am] <CRIMINALL> If it still doesn't work, go back to #2
Don't know how true that is, apart from #2 lol
This post has been edited by DARKFiB3R: Oct 25 2010, 11:58 AM
Post by: Popple on October 25, 2010, 05:04:00 AM
Post by: crisdo98 on October 25, 2010, 05:04:00 AM
I hope I don't get tonnes of calls tomorrow from dumb arses that read this news post.
Hopefully there will be an 'UPDATE' shortly to confirm this is BS.
Post by: tech3475 on October 25, 2010, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 25, 2010, 05:32:00 AM
1. The game works fine with pre-beta dashboards.
2. Not all users of the beta dashboard are affected.
3. All beta dashboards after and including 2.0.12581.0, with or without avatars, may be affected. Earlier beta dashboards may be affected too, but I haven't read any comments about them.
4. Some users have said it works fine with beta dashboard X, but upgrading to beta dashboard Y lead to the "This disc is unreadable" error, even though other users claim to have no problem with either dashboard X or Y.
5. Fable 3 is the only game affected for now. The game is recognised by the console and will even install to the hard drive without issue. The error only appears when the game is booted.
What's certain is that the issue is real and not just people spreading lies or not knowing how to burn a disc, but there seems to be no logic to it, as it'll work for one person, but another person with the same drive, same firmware and same dashboard version will get the "This disc is unreadable" error.
This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Oct 25 2010, 12:35 PM
Post by: axxxo on October 25, 2010, 06:08:00 AM
Post by: DARKFiB3R on October 25, 2010, 06:10:00 AM
QUOTE(crisdo98 @ Oct 25 2010, 12:04 PM) 
Just great.. i honestly thought Xbox-scene was smart enough to not post unsubstantiated BS which creates fear amongst the community.
I hope I don't get tonnes of calls tomorrow from dumb arses that read this news post.
Hopefully there will be an 'UPDATE' shortly to confirm this is BS.
They'll ready it elsewhere anyway. Hopefully they find the answers here, then you wont have to talk to your customers :/
QUOTE(axxxo @ Oct 25 2010, 01:08 PM)
Is there no way for non jtag users to remove the update from the disc? Obviously for offline use only.
There is no new update on the disc
Post by: axxxo on October 25, 2010, 06:13:00 AM
Post by: DARKFiB3R on October 25, 2010, 06:32:00 AM
Post by: Mik3h on October 25, 2010, 06:44:00 AM
Better spread this before it's too late.
Post by: axxxo on October 25, 2010, 06:48:00 AM
QUOTE(DARKFiB3R @ Oct 25 2010, 01:32 PM)
Open the .iso and remove the $SystemUpdate folder. But that is not going to be necessary.
Easy as that? Thanks
Well we'll see what happens before i go down that road.
Post by: thesonandheir on October 25, 2010, 06:58:00 AM
If this new dash will not play backups but the retail will boot fine we have a problem. It sounds like there is new checks in the xex which as we all know cannot be modified.
Still, most of you have had a good run of 5 years with the backups so we can't really complain.
Methinks JTAGs just got a lot more desirable
Post by: Zx NoLove xZ on October 25, 2010, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: hersuri on October 25, 2010, 07:21:00 AM
Post by: matt30377 on October 25, 2010, 07:30:00 AM
QUOTE(DARKFiB3R @ Oct 25 2010, 01:32 PM)
Open the .iso and remove the $SystemUpdate folder. But that is not going to be necessary.
That wouldn't work, would break the signiture and stop it from booting. It would work with jtags but not non- jtags like he asked.
Matt
Post by: saint24 on October 25, 2010, 07:34:00 AM
my drive is on benq lt
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Post by: ZerOneX on October 25, 2010, 07:56:00 AM
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Post by: champ2131 on October 25, 2010, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(saint24 @ Oct 25 2010, 07:34 AM)
im on the current beta program dash (official not leaked) and fable works absolutely fine it doesnt work on leaked dashboards only. it checks whether you are on the program on startup and if you arent then it wont load copied games
my drive is on benq lt
I certainly hope it has something to do with the leaked dashboard.....I'd hate to have my Kinect come in and not be able to use it because we can't upgrade just yet. We need more people with the official release to confirm their results.
Post by: juggahax0r on October 25, 2010, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(saint24 @ Oct 25 2010, 09:34 AM)
im on the current beta program dash (official not leaked) and fable works absolutely fine it doesnt work on leaked dashboards only. it checks whether you are on the program on startup and if you arent then it wont load copied games
my drive is on benq lt
That doesn't follow any logic whatsoever....the only thing it won't let you do if you have a leaked version is get on LIVE. The fact that some people can boot their backups on the leaked version proves that. The list of allowed users is not built into the dashboard. I am also on the official Beta test program...my system has no DVD drive though so I can't even play games on it.
So far everything I have read in this topic points to this not being front page worthy news as nothing is confirmed yet about it. Also the fact that the game in question is Obviously a pirated/leaked version. why is it even being discussed here where their are strong anti-piracy rules...their is no question if you are playing Fable III that you downloaded it because it doesn't come out until tomorrow.
QUOTE(matt30377 @ Oct 25 2010, 09:30 AM)
That wouldn't work, would break the signiture and stop it from booting. It would work with jtags but not non- jtags like he asked.
Matt
What signature the one on the ISO ha ha...no you can definitely remove the system update folder on a non-Jtag modded system so that you don't update. You may need to rebuild the ISO afterwards but what signature exactly are you talking about breaking?
Post by: bobasp1 on October 25, 2010, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: Toddler on October 25, 2010, 09:20:00 AM
- This reeks of misinformation and paranoia. Wait for some real information before hitting the panic button.
- Seems reasonable to assume that any additional media checks could be circumvented with updated firmware, just like always.
Post by: gizmo1908 on October 25, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
QUOTE(bobasp1 @ Oct 25 2010, 04:14 PM)
Well according to the comments, the jtag users are having problems running the game without having it in a god file or running through xexmenu and patching the xex. Every other method seems to result in the hdd being ejected by the fable III checks *it's still plugged in, but it will only show up if you reset the console* . So protection is most likely added to the xex, but what could they of added to detect bad dvd fw and jtag.
I want to add that i use latest Freeboot with current patches and i launched Fable III in GOD form and it worked, i actually didnt try it with the xex but i will make a iso and of the god and ill try in extracted form. Will update later. BTW i dont think its hard for them to insert some kind of code in the xex, since the non-jtag users cant run unsigned xex.
Post by: Sheaperd121 on October 25, 2010, 01:05:00 PM
Also, I guess that Tuesday will pretty much be like 2012 for people with flashed drives.
Post by: ddxcb on October 25, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: gamesquest1 on October 25, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
BUT, as it stands im pretty sure this "scare" is bs noobies with bad rips or dodgy burns, or the inconsistancies wouldnt be there, what we really need is a trusted source to test several diffrent set ups ie original dvd drive with diffrent FW versions, and spoofed drives with diffrent FW's ETC only then would we have the clear picture
Post by: Hoescout on October 25, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
so many ppl started to panic, ms might actually really get the idea of implementing this kind of stuff into the dash.
me personally, actually I wouldnt care that much since i only play mp games I own online like cod4,5 and soon BO. Just wouldnt like it if ms had that much power to control every single piece of hardware
Post by: Discwizard70 on October 25, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
I am in the Beta program, and have the new dashboard...it updated yesterday, and I have played BOTH the retail Fable3 (which I own-I picked it up at 12:30 Pac time-helps to have family at Gamestop!) and MY PERSONAL rip of the game using a Benq with 800 FW, and they both play and load perfectly. I have a Liteon 8v2 with LT1.2, and it seems fine. As far as my findings go, it appears that either somebody has a bad rip, or bad media...or maybe its only the leaked dash that's missing something in it that Fable3 needs (avatar items...etc)
This post has been edited by Discwizard70: Oct 25 2010, 09:21 PM
Post by: bobasp1 on October 25, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Hoescout @ Oct 25 2010, 01:14 PM)
guys this news needs to be taken down from the main site. It makes XS look very very naive. This news is even worse than stupid rumors.
so many ppl started to panic, ms might actually really get the idea of implementing this kind of stuff into the dash.
me personally, actually I wouldnt care that much since i only play mp games I own online like cod4,5 and soon BO. Just wouldnt like it if ms had that much power to control every single piece of hardware
M$ would of done that a while ago if that was possible
Post by: fallchild1597 on October 25, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: stevey5036 on October 25, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 25 2010, 11:20 AM)
Two points:
- This reeks of misinformation and paranoia. Wait for some real information before hitting the panic button.
- Seems reasonable to assume that any additional media checks could be circumvented with updated firmware, just like always.
Post by: Spark on October 25, 2010, 04:11:00 PM
Personally I believe this when the commodore says it, until then it's just baseless paranoia and nonsense.
Post by: Mr.RedRing on October 25, 2010, 05:05:00 PM
If some people are saying it's not working, but some are, then maybe MS is only able to foil certain drives?
Post by: tomgreen99200 on October 25, 2010, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 25, 2010, 05:33:00 PM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Oct 26 2010, 12:05 AM)
I find this hard to believe since every time a new games gets released it is followed by countless people complaining about glitches, disk read errors and "it says Play DVD" and then again that never happens to me and a large majority of others.
That's true, but a lot of that is probably down to bad burns on cheap discs. This is the first time I've seen reports of new protection in the dashboard because a game won't boot. There's too many people talking about this for it to be the usual reasons. I have never seen mass reports of a game being read by the 360, installing in full, but then throwing up "This disc is unreadable" on boot either. It's fair enough to not believe rumours, but there is also too much evidence out there to write this off as a few n00bs not knowing how to burn a disc.
Post by: darkneovamp on October 25, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Also another point of interest I went to xboxmodder to get any updates needed and noticed if you search for Fable there is a title update already for Fable 3.
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Post by: loggio on October 25, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Can we take this as anymore than just news on buggy software? Smells like crap to me.
But who knows, even crap is suprising sometimes.
Post by: ddsdavey on October 25, 2010, 06:16:00 PM
With JB team releasing 3.50 update for PS3 soon (allegedly!) i can just see people swapping consoles if this really is going to happen.
Im also wondering if this relates to older drives like Hitachi,which have not maintained regular cfw for quite some time now.Afterall,we already know from last years crazy hammer session that all old firmware was now not to be trusted,why LT took so long to be finalised.
Could it be a trap torrent from M$ (does that stuff REALLY happen though?)
Cause lets face it,for the time its been out not everyone here has ran home from acme game shop,immediately backed up legal retail of said game etc,etc.
Can anyone confirm issues running SSV2 Fable 3 on LT 1.2?
I think THATS a starting point.
I cant see this incresing the Jtag market though tbh,most people want online and backups,not just backups alone and 90% of the backup population (?!) dont even know what a Jtag is nevermind what to do with one.
Post by: majinsoftware on October 25, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
Eather it now checks for SSV2 and rejects if its SSV1 which one of the downloaded versions of fable 3 are.
Or they changed the bit setting on fable 3 and it knows its a copy if it reports back with the same old generic one such as in Ixtream firmwares.
Post by: Cilix on October 25, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
Offical beta dash.
Liteon 7x drive
Not sure which LT im on, probably 1.0 though. Im gonna flash to the latest and try it again.
Post by: amak1131 on October 26, 2010, 12:17:00 AM
Post by: gehx on October 26, 2010, 12:18:00 AM
QUOTE(amak1131 @ Oct 26 2010, 01:17 AM)
XS, wtf has happened? You used to be on top of everything and actually worth visiting. Now it seems you've sunk into posting this sensationalist crap.
+1
Post by: prozac4312 on October 26, 2010, 12:27:00 AM
Post by: DaShiZNiT on October 26, 2010, 12:53:00 AM
Post by: Code-Red on October 26, 2010, 03:48:00 AM
Not sure where it's at right now... wave 6? Possibly a 7th?
Post by: Meccs on October 26, 2010, 04:01:00 AM
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 04:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Meccs @ Oct 26 2010, 12:01 PM)
There ARE people in the official preview program that can't play the F3 copy!
I'm on the preview porgram, will burn the game now and let you guys know later.
Post by: Auyx on October 26, 2010, 04:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 26 2010, 11:48 AM)
I'm on the preview porgram, will burn the game now and let you guys know later.
I am on the official preview program and F3 does not work.
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 05:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Auyx @ Oct 26 2010, 12:58 PM)
I am on the official preview program and F3 does not work.
Confirmed, unrecognized disc.
So it probably has to do with some new protection, i cant imagine that MS wouldnt let people on the preview play 1 of their biggest games of the year.
And dont come with shit, you burned it wrong. I installed the game without a problem, still not booting.
Post by: joymonkey on October 26, 2010, 05:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 26 2010, 06:07 AM)
Confirmed, unrecognized disc.
So it probably has to do with some new protection, i cant imagine that MS wouldnt let people on the preview play 1 of their biggest games of the year.
What dvd drives and firmware do you guys have? And which rip of the game have you tried?
Post by: sephiroth666 on October 26, 2010, 05:24:00 AM
Has anyone else actually tried this or is all the fuss about the pirated Marvel copy??
Would be nice to get some clarity since the game should be released in the US today.
I would try myself, but the UK release is Friday.
This post has been edited by sephiroth666: Oct 26 2010, 12:25 PM
Post by: evildereck on October 26, 2010, 05:52:00 AM
QUOTE(crisdo98 @ Oct 25 2010, 06:04 AM)
Just great.. i honestly thought Xbox-scene was smart enough to not post unsubstantiated BS which creates fear amongst the community.
Yer kidding, right? If I had a nickel for every thread that cried "DOOM!"
Post by: HotKnife420 on October 26, 2010, 06:03:00 AM
Post by: kingdt on October 26, 2010, 06:08:00 AM
Post by: cooler2k on October 26, 2010, 06:32:00 AM
"We told you about here is now some time (see article ) reports a rumor of a new integrated protection in Dashboard KINECTS. It seemed that this new security is a continuous verification system firmware when connecting to live and preventing flashed consoles to connect to it ....
After the launch yesterday of the latest beta DashBoard (K: 2.0.12606.0), the rumor seems to become reality and the result even worse than previously thought. Indeed flashed consoles that have this update is no longer possible to run backups and displays this error."
source: www.logic-sunrise.com
Post by: Spark on October 26, 2010, 06:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Daniel Maher @ Twitter)
Apologies to everyone who's contacted us about the new dash launching today - it's actually coming sometime in November.
about 4 hours ago via TweetDeck
about 4 hours ago via TweetDeck
So basically, anybody who said their console prompted them to update today without being on the beta programme is most likely talking shit.
Post by: thesonandheir on October 26, 2010, 06:49:00 AM
QUOTE(cooler2k @ Oct 26 2010, 01:32 PM)
"We told you about here is now some time (see article ) reports a rumor of a new integrated protection in Dashboard KINECTS. It seemed that this new security is a continuous verification system firmware when connecting to live and preventing flashed consoles to connect to it ....
After the launch yesterday of the latest beta DashBoard (K: 2.0.12606.0), the rumor seems to become reality and the result even worse than previously thought. Indeed flashed consoles that have this update is no longer possible to run backups and displays this error."
source: www.logic-sunrise.com
Now that appears to be bs. Only Fable 3 is affected so far, this is an MGS game so they may use it as a guinea pig to try any new protections out.
Could those guys that have the preview dash please try other recent MGS releases and report back.
Post by: evans05 on October 26, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: saint24 on October 26, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Oct 25 2010, 04:01 PM)
That doesn't follow any logic whatsoever....the only thing it won't let you do if you have a leaked version is get on LIVE. The fact that some people can boot their backups on the leaked version proves that. The list of allowed users is not built into the dashboard. I am also on the official Beta test program...my system has no DVD drive though so I can't even play games on it.
So far everything I have read in this topic points to this not being front page worthy news as nothing is confirmed yet about it. Also the fact that the game in question is Obviously a pirated/leaked version. why is it even being discussed here where their are strong anti-piracy rules...their is no question if you are playing Fable III that you downloaded it because it doesn't come out until tomorrow.
What signature the one on the ISO ha ha...no you can definitely remove the system update folder on a non-Jtag modded system so that you don't update. You may need to rebuild the ISO afterwards but what signature exactly are you talking about breaking?
i work for a games retailer and my copy is original (perks of the job) and i didnt say it was built into the dashboard, when it connects to m$ servers the dash requests if u are a registered user of the beta dash or not.
if you arent registered on beta its bye bye live and all your channels except my xbox
Post by: col12 on October 26, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: tazmad on October 26, 2010, 08:51:00 AM
Does it mean that the firmware it only for the slim or is the new checks only performed on the slim. They also said the LT for both liteon and benq and still fine, I know they know better than anyone but if this news is true then is it possible that these new check C4eva and TJ know about are now being use on all console.
I am really keen to know what is going on and hope that this new firmware for the slim comes out soon after the update which will allow us to play our backups again on the latest dashboard.
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 26 2010, 03:39 PM) 
it might be to stop the game being played early
Man I hope you are right and that is all it is, I can't imagine they would only go that far and not push the whole way like we believe thay are at this stage.
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 09:00:00 AM
Maybe its the release that is the problem.
Post by: SnAQ on October 26, 2010, 09:31:00 AM
Perhaps it´s just a bug in the leaked version, i read somewhere about missing avatar items or so.
But the best thing we could do it just to chill out, and forget about this until the new dashboard is actually out so some poor people will update and post results.
I myself arent worried about not being able to use Live, since i dont use it anymore, im worried for a diffrent reason.
Post by: juggahax0r on October 26, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(saint24 @ Oct 26 2010, 10:33 AM)
i work for a games retailer and my copy is original (perks of the job) and i didnt say it was built into the dashboard, when it connects to m$ servers the dash requests if u are a registered user of the beta dash or not.
if you arent registered on beta its bye bye live and all your channels except my xbox
Right but LIVE is only gone for you until the official release of the new Dashboard...you do not get banned from LIVE you just can't connect until the new dash is released to everyone on LIVE....I know this because i downloaded the "leaked" 12387 or whatever it was, then signed up for the beta when it was announced and when they started the Beta program it let me update and get back on LIVE with it....when the NXE came out the same thing happened you couldn't get on LIVE until the official release. My point was that having a leaked VS official Beta dash because you are on the list has nothing to do with whether the game will run or not.
I am also going to add to the confirmation...this also has problems on my XDK, resigning it like i do all my retail games it throws a dirty disc error if i run it over ethernet and black screens with an exception (XbWatson) off the HDD. I am trying it as a GOD now..... My guess since it throws an exception is that the check is in the game Xex itself not the dashboard, because so far this is the only game doing that.
Has anyone been having problems on Jtag modded systems or retail systems with 9199? This would be able to prove or disprove whether it is in the Dash or game Xex...I can lower my flash and check if it does the same thing i guess but i wasn't really in the mood to run a recovery today.
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
QUOTE(SnAQ @ Oct 26 2010, 05:31 PM)
So to get this straight, People that are IN the program could boot a copy (not the original) just fine, and people with the leaked version couldnt?
Perhaps it´s just a bug in the leaked version, i read somewhere about missing avatar items or so.
But the best thing we could do it just to chill out, and forget about this until the new dashboard is actually out so some poor people will update and post results.
I myself arent worried about not being able to use Live, since i dont use it anymore, im worried for a diffrent reason.
Learn 2 read, i'm in the program and i cant boot the game.
Post by: SnAQ on October 26, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Oct 26 2010, 05:33 PM)
Has anyone been having problems on Jtag modded systems or retail systems with 9199? This would be able to prove or disprove whether it is in the Dash or game Xex...I can lower my flash and check if it does the same thing i guess but i wasn't really in the mood to run a recovery today.
Afaik, the only people with problems are those with the leaked dashboard.
9199 works fine for people, or atleast that´s what i´ve been reading.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 26, 2010, 09:56:00 AM
MY THREAD GOT LOCKED AND I GOT MOCKED and even my replies on the other thread got deleted
Post by: Takashi on October 26, 2010, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 10:22:00 AM
I'm in the testing program, and the game wont BOOT! And people who bought the game and are in the testing program can play the game fine. Hmmmm strange isnt it? So yes it has to do with the dashboard, and people will also not be able to play when the new dashboard is being rolled out to everybody.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 26, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Takashi @ Oct 26 2010, 09:18 AM)
How is your RUMOR and this OBSERVATION ABOUT ONE GAME similar?
the information was correct
new dashboard stops backups from working
and you in that thread are ass kissing that army guys avatar hahaha he's so funny blah blah blah
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 26, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(SnAQ @ Oct 26 2010, 04:31 PM)
So to get this straight, People that are IN the program could boot a copy (not the original) just fine, and people with the leaked version couldnt?
Nope. It works for some people and others get the "This disc is unreadable error", and that's whether they are in the official beta or whether they're using a leaked version of the beta dash.
I've read tons of posts about it and there doesn't seem to be anything that stands out as the reason for the game not working. There has to be a reason though obviously, so hopefully someone will figure this out.
QUOTE
new dashboard stops backups from working
Only Fable 3 at the moment, and not for everyone. What you posted in that other thread just isn't happening - MS are not somehow flashing consoles back to stock firmware. Posting things like that isn't helping anyone simply because it's just not true, but at the same time, there are people on here who seem like they don't want to accept that this Fable 3 issue is happening, despite all the evidence that shows it is.
Post by: Johnny HugeButt on October 26, 2010, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: saint24 on October 26, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
the thing with black ops is treyarch are using a server to detect modded discs not backups and rapid fire chips i for one am all for that
got update for dash this morning (proper beta program) original fable 3 works fine, the crap copy of fable 3 doing the rounds will not boot. i made an 0800 copy and it worked fine although it did chuck me out back to dash with could not read disc after 15 mins but i think my laser is on its way out anyway as split second and mw2 do the same after half an hour and they are originals
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 26, 2010, 10:55:00 AM
QUOTE(saint24 @ Oct 26 2010, 09:48 AM)
someone mentioned about black ops
the thing with black ops is treyarch are using a server to detect modded discs not backups and rapid fire chips i for one am all for that
got update for dash this morning (proper beta program) original fable 3 works fine, the crap copy of fable 3 doing the rounds will not boot. i made an 0800 copy and it worked fine although it did chuck me out back to dash with could not read disc after 15 mins but i think my laser is on its way out anyway as split second and mw2 do the same after half an hour and they are originals
the 15 min loading or whatever you get is symptoms others were describing with backup copies of Fable 3 so I don't think thats an issue with your laser
Try other games they probably won't experience that issue
Post by: saint24 on October 26, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 26 2010, 05:28 PM)
the information was correct
new dashboard stops backups from working
and you in that thread are ass kissing that army guys avatar hahaha he's so funny blah blah blah
it got closed because there is already a thread for the discussion (this one) and what you were saying is complete nonsense thats why you got mocked.
stop trying to start an argument about something you know nothing about
personally i think this thread should be closed now as it is all just speculation, rumour and scaremongering
we will find out when the official final version is out
and we really shouldnt be talking about piracy anyway.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 26, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
its backup copies (Law permits this) and everyone downloads mp3s and tv shows anyway so the hypocrisy, double standards and political correctness is annoying
People are genuinely having problems with new dashboard and fable 3 backup copies
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...kinect-maj.html
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Post by: juggahax0r on October 26, 2010, 11:10:00 AM
I just built and resigned a GOD package and it runs fine that way..Can't explain why but when i run it off an external drive with it resigned it throws me to a black screen no error except in the debugger. So it seems whatever it is checking must be in the dashboard, but it has to be somehow also implemented in the game xex because this is the only game that has caused a problem, and whatever it is does not get checked when it is a GOD. My rip is also from a clean retail copy i made myself so it isn't from a "scene" release.
I would think that this may be able to be implemented in other game Xexs through a TU but i could be wrong about that. But if you see a big crop of TUs come out right when the new dash is released i would say their is a good chance that they are implementing something new. We will know more when some more games get released and if we have more problems with them. But it still from my personal experience could not be FW related as my system doesn't use modified FW.
This post has been edited by juggahax0r: Oct 26 2010, 06:12 PM
Post by: Angel_Azrael on October 26, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
The people who can't boot theirs backups, are they changing the booktype to DVD-ROM before burning theirs discs, or are they using the one by default (DVD+R)?
If this is true and the new dashboard has a new check protection, maybe it's checking from what kind of disc the game is trying to boot...
Post by: juggahax0r on October 26, 2010, 11:18:00 AM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 26 2010, 01:06 PM)
its not piracy
its backup copies (Law permits this) and everyone downloads mp3s and tv shows anyway so the hypocrisy, double standards and political correctness is annoying
People are genuinely having problems with new dashboard and fable 3 backup copies
This should merge my 2 posts....It is not from it being a burned copy...I just disproved that. I don't use a Jtagged system..or retail. Mine runs in a GOD but not off an external drive resigned. I am not going to share what flash version i am running but it is high enough to compare to the current Beta retail dash. I can go down to an older flash and see if it will run off the HDD that would give me confirmation that it has to do with the dash...but As i already stated it has to also be something in the Xex for it to only be 1 game so far with this issue....I will report back after trying it on my external drive with an older dash.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 26, 2010, 11:21:00 AM
hoping its actually a smaller bug issue like that instead of new checks etc
This post has been edited by MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3: Oct 26 2010, 06:23 PM
Post by: Toddler on October 26, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Angel_Azrael @ Oct 26 2010, 12:17 PM)
I don't approve piracy, but I do approve the right to make backups of your legally owned games. Now, trying to figure this out, I'll put this question here:
The people who can't boot theirs backups, are they changing the booktype to DVD-ROM before burning theirs discs, or are they using the one by default (DVD+R)?
If this is true and the new dashboard has a new check protection, maybe it's checking from what kind of disc the game is trying to boot...
Nice try, but LT firmware reports DVD-ROM whether it's true or not.
Once all the facts come out on this, I think some people will feel pretty silly for hitting the panic switch.
Post by: juggahax0r on October 26, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 26 2010, 01:25 PM)
Nice try, but LT firmware reports DVD-ROM whether it's true or not.
Once all the facts come out on this, I think some people will feel pretty silly for hitting the panic switch.
No dude did you not read my post...This is definitely something in software...I don't run a retail machine with any kind of modified firmware I have an Xedk and it freezes unless i have it in a GOD package. I can't downgrade without formatting my drive unfortunately and i have to much important stuff on my drive to get rid of it right now, but we do need to sit back a little bit and wait for more games to come out. Whatever the check is doesn't get checked in a GOD that's all i can tell so far.
This game has been released in the U.S Saint that's why i have a retail copy now this isn't about piracy at all. I just can't run retail discs or burned retail discs with Security sectors and all that on them so i put it on my external like i do all my games...if i run Xbwatson it throws an exception and reboots the machine.
Post by: Toddler on October 26, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
The symptoms aren't consistent, so the "facts" are all over the map. Somebody with Xedk dev box has one issue, somebody else says I can't boot the disc, still someone else says it freezes after 15 minutes but so do two of his retail games. One guy says I have no issues at all, still someone else says it eventually boots but just takes a long time. Some people are saying it's an avatar thing, others are reporting similar issues running another older title now. And I have yet to see one person mention whether or not they have the Fable III TU in place, which would be the first step in my testing methodology. This is like a master class on how not to troubleshoot.
Post by: juggahax0r on October 26, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 26 2010, 01:42 PM)
I did read your post, and I stand behind my opinion.
The symptoms aren't consistent, so the "facts" are all over the map. Somebody with Xedk dev box has one issue, somebody else says I can't boot the disc, still someone else says it freezes after 15 minutes but so do two of his retail games. One guy says I have no issues at all, still someone else says it eventually boots but just takes a long time. Some people are saying it's an avatar thing, others are reporting similar issues running another older title now. And I have yet to see one person mention whether or not they have the Fable III TU in place, which would be the first step in my testing methodology. This is like a master class on how not to troubleshoot.
I didn't even know their was already a TU...maybe their is a bug then in that case. Since some people are having issues with burned retail copies it could have something to do with the allowed media type.
I don't think we will have any real idea until we have more new games to try out. The exception i got could just be from a bug i suppose i had an issue with New Vegas also which did not get resolved after the TU was released. I still don't think this should be front page news when it's full of speculation. I haven't gotten to do much testing and i don't have a retail machine to test it on so I can't provide much more help than to say it runs fine in a GOD but not in just a game folder on my HDD, and it is the only game i have ever had an issue with.
Post by: SnAQ on October 26, 2010, 12:28:00 PM
Anyone with a legit backup able to test this?
Post by: thesonandheir on October 26, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Angel_Azrael @ Oct 26 2010, 06:17 PM)
I don't approve piracy, but I do approve the right to make backups of your legally owned games. Now, trying to figure this out, I'll put this question here:
The people who can't boot theirs backups, are they changing the booktype to DVD-ROM before burning theirs discs, or are they using the one by default (DVD+R)?
If this is true and the new dashboard has a new check protection, maybe it's checking from what kind of disc the game is trying to boot...
lol at people thinking everybody has forgotten how to burn games all of a sudden
Post by: col12 on October 26, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 26 2010, 06:42 PM)
I did read your post, and I stand behind my opinion.
The symptoms aren't consistent, so the "facts" are all over the map. Somebody with Xedk dev box has one issue, somebody else says I can't boot the disc, still someone else says it freezes after 15 minutes but so do two of his retail games. One guy says I have no issues at all, still someone else says it eventually boots but just takes a long time. Some people are saying it's an avatar thing, others are reporting similar issues running another older title now. And I have yet to see one person mention whether or not they have the Fable III TU in place, which would be the first step in my testing methodology. This is like a master class on how not to troubleshoot.
+1 came looking for answers but iam more confused someone needs to run the nesecery tests find out
Post by: brandogg on October 26, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(SnAQ @ Oct 26 2010, 02:28 PM)
The fact that there´s already a TU out for the game makes me wonder if there was some bug that cause the no-boot problem.
Anyone with a legit backup able to test this?
I don't think they would release an update that lets you boot DVD+R DL copies of the game. The retail game works, with or without the update, a backup does not. It's new protection - no need to speculate on that. Someone that has a non-hacked system could take their retail disc and rip and try to run it and see if you get the "put this in a 360" error, or if you get the "unreadable disc" error.
Post by: Angel_Azrael on October 26, 2010, 01:40:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 26 2010, 02:35 PM)
lol at people thinking everybody has forgotten how to burn games all of a sudden
And LOL at people who don't know how to read
. I never said that people don't know how to burn their discs, I was trying to find out if the booktype is a variable we should consider now for our backups. I thought that LT doesn't have implemented the report to DVD-ROM from any kind of booktype.In a different matter, the TU, from what I've read, only adds/fixes the Co-Op in the game and nothing else.
Post by: odishiw on October 26, 2010, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 26, 2010, 01:58:00 PM
I have 2 Xbox360s:
1. Offline Elite never been on Xbox Live with LiteOn 8xxxx Series - The firmware is 1.5v as I have to use activation disc to boot Wave 4 Ripped Games.
It has the first built of leaked Kinect Xbox 360 dashboard when the preview program started.
Fable 3 works without problems. (Installs and Plays)
2. Xbox 360 Elite - Registered-Officially in the Beta Program with Latest Update.
it has LiteOn 74xxx Series with LT firmware. ( I just paid someone to do it yesterday).
After the update the console was taken offline for good.
Fable 3 gives the Unrecognized Disc Error. (This Console has the Latest Build - Oct 26, 2010)
Something definitely is going on. Lastly when I booted Fable 3 my profile became corrupt and I had to re-download it form Xbox Live.
This post has been edited by Unregistered007: Oct 26 2010, 09:35 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 26, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Unregistered007 @ Oct 26 2010, 08:58 PM)
Lastly when I booted Fable 3 my profile became corrupt and I have to re-downloaded it form Xbox Live.
That happens to me too.
Post by: Emjei2k on October 26, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
FYI
Lite-On LT 1.0
Latest Official XBox 360 beta dash
Can sign on Live with no problem.
This post has been edited by Emjei2k: Oct 26 2010, 09:05 PM
Post by: dangerouseddy on October 26, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: thesonandheir on October 26, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Oct 26 2010, 09:12 PM)
those peeps who attempted to boot fable and failed are probably flagged for banning too. you should check. I now have a Failed AP25 Challenge according to XVal 2.0
Yep, every one who cant boot Fable 3 please try XVal and post back.
My JTAG just switched itself off when I tried to boot the default.xex of Fable, but it works perfectly in a GOD.
Something is going down...
Post by: Toddler on October 26, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Unregistered007 @ Oct 26 2010, 02:58 PM)
Hey guys I have a good answer:
I have 2 Xbox360s
1. Offline Elite never been on Xbox Live with LiteOn 8xxxx Series
It has the first leaked Xbox 360 dashboard when the preview program started.
Fable 3 works without problems.
2. Xbox 360 Elite - Registered-Officially in the Beta Program with Latest Update.
it has LiteOn 74xxx Series with LT firmware. ( I just paid someone to do it yesterday).
After the update the console was taken offline for good.
Fable 3 gives the Unrecognized Disc Error.
Something definitely is going on. Lastly when I booted Fable 3 my profile became corrupt and I have to re-downloaded it form Xbox Live.
Now that is useful info. The corrupt profile is especially interesting.
Post by: AudiTuner on October 26, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Oct 26 2010, 04:12 PM)
those peeps who attempted to boot fable and failed are probably flagged for banning too. you should check. I now have a Failed AP25 Challenge according to XVal 2.0
Same here.
Post by: loggio on October 26, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
Youre using a leaked copy of a game on a beta dash. Works for some, not others. If this was NEW PROTECTION, im sure everybody would be affected. Not just some. Get legit copy of the game, get the final release of the dash and try to boot.
Its just this game you're all talking about... What about other games??? You're all retarded
This post has been edited by loggio: Oct 26 2010, 09:17 PM
Post by: AudiTuner on October 26, 2010, 02:17:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 26 2010, 04:15 PM)
Guys!!!
Youre using a leaked copy of a game on a beta dash. Worls for some, not others. If this was NEW PROTECTION, im sure everybody would be affected. Not just some. Get legit copy of the game, get the final release of the dash and try to boot.
Its just this game you're all talking about... What about other games??? You're all retarded
It seems like the newest betas of the Fall 2010 dashboard implemented AP25. Who knows what other games they might use it for.
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 26, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: thesonandheir on October 26, 2010, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 26 2010, 09:15 PM)
Guys!!!
Youre using a leaked copy of a game on a beta dash. Works for some, not others. If this was NEW PROTECTION, im sure everybody would be affected. Not just some. Get legit copy of the game, get the final release of the dash and try to boot.
Its just this game you're all talking about... What about other games??? You're all retarded
learn2read you cretin
Post by: AudiTuner on October 26, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(VOYAGERXP @ Oct 26 2010, 04:19 PM)
My brother is getting the disk error on his 360 even with the 2.0.9199.0 dash with fable 3 and fallout new vagas. He does not have the kinect beta installed.
It could be that he used "cheap" DVDs to burn the games. Have him run XVal and see if he is flagged or not.
Post by: Celerion on October 26, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
Here a reminder about what c4a had so say about ap25 last year:
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/Ek...uluBaVkSRMq.php
QUOTE
<+c4eva> not all drives support it, and they will have to make sure all drives that do support give back reliable results! not as easy as it sounds!
That would explain why this is not affecting everyone.
This post has been edited by Celerion: Oct 26 2010, 09:27 PM
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 26, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
This post has been edited by VOYAGERXP: Oct 26 2010, 09:29 PM
Post by: gibbo on October 26, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
just ripped this game to my external hard drive on my jtag,when it comes time for me to press start it say that it cant find my gamer tag....it gives me options 1. continue with out achievements 2.download gamer tag 3. continue... if i use options to continue it runs fine but logs out my gamer tag
ps.. my gamer tag is working fine on all my other games
freeboot V0.32 dash 9199
Post by: AudiTuner on October 26, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(VOYAGERXP @ Oct 26 2010, 04:27 PM) 
He only uses Verbatim and gonna sound dumb but i don't know what xval is. I have the same dash as my bro and fable 3 works fine and i ve used the same fable 3 backup to test.
XVal is a little program where you plug in your console's serial number and the "x value" (found on console info page on the dashboard) and tells you if your console has been flagged or not (it can be flagged for a number of reasons).
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 26, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Celerion on October 26, 2010, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(VOYAGERXP @ Oct 26 2010, 10:36 PM)
Bit over my head my friend but i can say both 360's has never been on xbox live. Just stange how sporadic this problem is.
Your friends dvd laser has gone bad that's why he is having problems, this has nothing to do with the problem we are dealing with in this threat.
Post by: vildzek on October 26, 2010, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 26, 2010, 02:39:00 PM
What is AP25? Is it what's being discussed on this blog, or is it something else?........
http://xorloser.com/?p=9
Post by: Zomah on October 26, 2010, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(vildzek @ Oct 26 2010, 10:39 PM)
Someone has think THAT this is beta not final build of a dash ? Lets wait a few days, i dont buy it.
So whats your point? I'm in the preview program and it doesnt boot, and the original one does.
So its.
1. Bad rip by Marvel which i really doubt.
2. New protection (very likely).
If it doesnt boot now, it will not boot when the updates is being send to everyone.
Damn how freaking hard is it to understand.
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 26, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
Hey guys I have a good answer:
I have 2 Xbox360s:
1. Offline Elite never been on Xbox Live with LiteOn 8xxxx Series - The firmware is 1.5v as I have to use activation disc to boot Wave 4 Ripped Games.
It has the first built of leaked Kinect Xbox 360 dashboard when the preview program started.
Fable 3 works without problems. (Installs and Plays)
2. Xbox 360 Elite - Registered-Officially in the Beta Program with Latest Update.
it has LiteOn 74xxx Series with LT firmware. ( I just paid someone to do it yesterday).
After the update the console was taken offline for good.
Fable 3 gives the Unrecognized Disc Error. (This Console has the Latest Build of Kinect - dashboard: Oct 26, 2010)
Something definitely is going on. Lastly when I booted Fable 3 my profile became corrupt and I had to re-download it form Xbox Live.
Post by: tarektaha on October 26, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
1st box Flashed with LT and no Dashboard update - Fable 3 (Not Recognized i've patched it to wave 3.. Worked fine after that - i guess its Flagged as hell by now
- Profile not corrupt - played on live2nd box Flashed with LT WITH dashboard - Beta program - Fable 3 Not Recognized - Wave 3 ALSO not recognized! - Profile Corrupt! - played on live
That is my feedback its good to note That ALL OTHER backups works fine on both machines until now!
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 26, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE
Your friends dvd laser has gone bad that's why he is having problems, this has nothing to do with the problem we are dealing with in this threat.
I was also thinking that m8 but his 360 is only 5 months old & plays everything else that has been released like medal of honor,star wars force unleashed 2, vanquish, halo reach, Quantum Theory,Enslaved, shall i go on. If this was the laser then why would these work. My 360 is a launch 360 and plays everything i throw at it.
Post by: loggio on October 26, 2010, 03:05:00 PM
Anyone having trouble booting please state the make and model of your drives!!!
Anyone able to boot, please do the same!
Lets try and get some real info on drives and the ap25 protection.
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 26, 2010, 03:09:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.1
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: No
Fable 3 working: No
Gamertag corruption: Yes
XVal result: Failed AP25 Challenge
Post by: dangerouseddy on October 26, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.2
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: yes
Fable 3 working: No
XVal result: Failed AP25 Challenge
Post by: Blargharg on October 26, 2010, 03:35:00 PM
Bottom line - JTAG owners don't have anything to fret about, others? Don't know, don't care.
Post by: bodybag on October 26, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
Firmware: Latest LT
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.12416.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: didnt try it
XVal result: secdata is clean!
Post by: Discwizard70 on October 26, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.2
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: Yes
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
360: COD MW2 Elite-no JTag
Note: Every now and then when I put Fable3 in the tray, the 360 takes a little extra time to display the pic, but it will play fine. It is my own rip from a 800FW Benq using Backup Creator.
Post by: loggio on October 26, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: Jordih on October 26, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
Console: Stock
Drive: Hitachi 79 & Samsung MS25
Firmware: 1.51 & LT 1.0
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: No
Gamertag corruption: Haven't Checked.
XVal result: Failed AP25 Challenge
Post by: d53642 on October 26, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.0
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: No
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
Xbox : Stock
Disc Inserted Sec is still clean.
After Install Sec is showing : Sec is still clean
After first run : Failed AP25 Challenge
Post by: Meccs on October 26, 2010, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: thesonandheir on October 26, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
Freeboot 0.32
Dashlaunch 2.02
Fable 3 ran as GoD = works fine
Fable 3 extracted and default.xex ran = shuts down JTAG
This is from internal 2.5" 640Gb.
Post by: Toddler on October 26, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(d53642 @ Oct 26 2010, 05:16 PM)
Drive: Liteon 74850C
Firmware: LT 1.0
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: No
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
Xbox : Stock
Disc Inserted Sec is still clean.
After Install Sec is showing : Sec is still clean
After first run : Failed AP25 Challenge
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 26 2010, 06:06 PM)
JTAG Jasper
Freeboot 0.32
Dashlaunch 2.02
Fable 3 ran as GoD = works fine
Fable 3 extracted and default.xex ran = shuts down JTAG
This is from internal 2.5" 640Gb.
Two great posts.
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 26, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
All you're doing now is effectively permanently flagging your console for a future ban.
Post by: d53642 on October 26, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
Now to buy a new slim model.
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 26, 2010, 05:41:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 26 2010, 07:36 PM)
Oh dear, if peoples XVAL's are being changed after running this game, then it's probably best for all to stop trying until the clever people figure out what's going on?
All you're doing now is effectively permanently flagging your console for a future ban.
All you're doing now is effectively permanently flagging your console for a future ban.
Going online with a modded firmware should be a BIG NO! I never go online with modded firmware. The problem is that the Profile is getting Corrupt Offline after playing Fable 3.
Post by: theTwiz on October 26, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
Drive: Lite-On 83850c v1
FW: LT 1.1
Dash: 2.0.12606.0
Officially in beta: Yes
XVal result: clean
I routinely run backups, but again haven't tried Fable 3 yet. Drive has been flashed since ~Feb. this year.
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 26, 2010, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Unregistered007 @ Oct 27 2010, 12:41 AM)
Going online with a modded firmware should be a BIG NO! I never go online with modded firmware. The problem is that the Profile is getting Corrupt Offline after playing Fable 3.
Well quite, but all I'm saying is that for those who wish to go online in the future, from the evidence gathered I'd advise that you DON'T try the new Fable game as it's causing a new XVAL flag.
Are you serious about the offline profile corruption?! Wow! MS are hitting back hard.
QUOTE(theTwiz @ Oct 27 2010, 12:46 AM)
I have not tried boot Fable 3, so sorry in advance if this is not useful:
I routinely run backups, but again haven't tried Fable 3 yet. Drive has been flashed since ~Feb. this year.
I routinely run backups, but again haven't tried Fable 3 yet. Drive has been flashed since ~Feb. this year.
I wouldn't risk trying it mate, it's clear the new dash or game has protections etc, you'll only cause an offline flag which is bad bad news.
Post by: tb4ll on October 26, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: col12 on October 26, 2010, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: tb4ll on October 26, 2010, 06:13:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 27 2010, 01:06 AM)
it might be kinnect only games ms will do everything they can to stop them being ripped and played online
Fable 3 and Sims 3 are both not Kinect games.
Post by: col12 on October 26, 2010, 06:22:00 PM
QUOTE(bodybag @ Oct 26 2010, 10:41 PM)
Drive: Liteon 9 series
Firmware: Latest LT
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.12416.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: didnt try it
XVal result: secdata is clean!
go sit in a cuboard you rubarb
Post by: Angel_Azrael on October 26, 2010, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Discwizard70 @ Oct 26 2010, 05:48 PM)
Drive: Liteon 8 v1
Firmware: LT 1.2
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: Yes
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
QUOTE(Jordih @ Oct 26 2010, 06:15 PM)
Type: Zephyr, I think. (Has a V1 power port but came with a Lite-On 74850C..??)
Console: Stock
Drive: Hitachi 79 & Samsung MS25
Firmware: 1.51 & LT 1.0
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: No
Gamertag corruption: Haven't Checked.
XVal result: Failed AP25 Challenge
QUOTE(d53642 @ Oct 26 2010, 06:16 PM)
Drive: Liteon 74850C
Firmware: LT 1.0
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes
Fable 3 working: No
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
Xbox : Stock
Disc Inserted Sec is still clean.
After Install Sec is showing : Sec is still clean
After first run : Failed AP25 Challenge
Very useful posts, specially the last one. But one thing I'm wondering, is the Secdata changing only with the last dashboard?, what about dashboard v2.0.9199.0, is the Secdata remaining the same after loading the game in that dashboard?. And another thing, the Secdata is only changing with the backup/copied disc or also with the original retail disc in the new dashboard?.
Excellent posts, keep up with the good info
.
Post by: C.Troy on October 26, 2010, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: kneehighspy on October 26, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
i guess i will see once the kinect dash beta is released and i'm forced to update my offline unit to the kinect dash. but i have no issues running any titles, of course i am running an older drive firmware on my offline unit, not even an iextreme version. so i have to convert all my discs from wave 4 to wave 3. fable 3 is a wave 4, but i converted it to wave 3 and it works just fine.
secdata clean on both consoles.
Post by: tarektaha on October 26, 2010, 06:48:00 PM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Oct 27 2010, 02:42 AM)
i have 2 360's, one for online and one for offline. i am in the kinect dash beta (now at 2.0.12607.0). when ever i move my hdd from my online unit to my offline unit, my offline unit's dash is at 2.0.9199.0. i have not had any issues so far with any title releases.
i guess i will see once the kinect dash beta is released and i'm forced to update my offline unit to the kinect dash. but i have no issues running any titles, of course i am running an older drive firmware on my offline unit, not even an iextreme version. so i have to convert all my discs from wave 4 to wave 3. fable 3 is a wave 4, but i converted it to wave 3 and it works just fine.
secdata clean on both consoles.
That's the path many did on the last ban wave, my question is if you did not update the Offline -flashed console with new kincet dashboard would you still be able to move your profile on a memory unit to the Kincet updated - not modded console?
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 26, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
I guess all they have to do with this new protection (if indeed it is that, but it's looking that way) is put the latest update on the disc and force you to update before you can play, then either way you're screwed.
Post by: C.Troy on October 26, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: d53642 on October 26, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 26 2010, 09:11 PM)
is it confirmed that the sims 3 doesn' work with the latest dash either?
If it doesn't I find it weird that EA would put it in that title and not rock band 3.
Post by: tarektaha on October 26, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 27 2010, 02:52 AM)
I thought that if you have one console with older firmware than the other, the console with the older firmware will be prompted to update when you connect your hard drive to it. That's how it's worked with previous dashboards. I updated my offline console last time by connecting the hard drive from the Live enabled console to it, which prompted me to update.
I guess all they have to do with this new protection (if indeed it is that, but it's looking that way) is put the latest update on the disc and force you to update before you can play, then either way you're screwed.
What if you only keep moving the profile on MU not the HD would you still be forced to update? Can you play with this profile on the not updated console ?
Post by: tb4ll on October 26, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
QUOTE(d53642 @ Oct 27 2010, 02:13 AM)
If it doesn't I find it weird that EA would put it in that title and not rock band 3.
Rock Band 3 released well before. The SIms 3 only just been released....
They will have wanted to correspond both the games having this protection and the Dashboard Update to be at roughly the same time.
Hence catching people updating to new dash and trying to boot the new games...
If they put the protection on a game released weeks ago, would have given the xbox scene more time to react and assess what they have changed... etc etc.
My opinion anyway
Post by: dbdsneaky on October 26, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.1
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0 (with avatars)
Officially in beta: Yes with hardware
Fable 3 working: No
XVal result: failed ap25 check
Xbox : No Jtag
how would playing a disk without any memory unit change this value? lol if it was clean to begin with
a copy i saw showed up some japanese writting when telling it not to save a game profile ? dunno if this helps
well have you though that maybe its cos fable 3 has Kinect added content / playability that needs the correct version of the update on Beta software to run ? as remember not all the avater stuff is availible till the beta ends either as poeple know they are updating the avater stuff to work with the nu kinect enabled games maybe something else is a side affect stopping it playing or else the game wouldnt register as a game to begin with would it?
Post by: C.Troy on October 26, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
QUOTE(tb4ll @ Oct 27 2010, 02:46 AM)
Rock Band 3 released well before. The SIms 3 only just been released....
They will have wanted to correspond both the games having this protection and the Dashboard Update to be at roughly the same time.
Hence catching people updating to new dash and trying to boot the new games...
If they put the protection on a game released weeks ago, would have given the xbox scene more time to react and assess what they have changed... etc etc.
My opinion anyway
thats not true sir. Rock Band 3 just released today (it leaked weeks before because some orders got shipped by a mistake). The same day as sims. I checked some other places and people are saying sims works fine with the latest dash.
Post by: sieco187 on October 26, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
Firmware: LT 1.1
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Fable 3 working: Yes
XVal result: Clean
Xbox : No Jtag
I know its not the current kinect beta but just reporting what I got
Post by: dbdsneaky on October 26, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
2 = Who has been flagged and has leaked version of the beta dash
3 = who can get Fable to work
4 = Who can get SIMS 3 to work
Dash = 2.0.9199.0 dash with camera and with games software
ap25 failed, fable 3 not running, sims 3 is running
Post by: loggio on October 26, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
None of this is complete/solid evidence.
1# Everyone is running a BETA dash for starters... Some leaked, some official.
2# Everyone is trying to play a PIRATED version of a game floating around the internet and are getting errors.
3# Some people say they have the original... But i'm not convinced.
4# ITS BETA
5# DID I MENTION BETA?
BETA BETA BETA
6#ap25 error is weird, i must admit. This is the only thing weird i find.
until everyone has FULL COMPLETE VERSIONS of everything. This is all just a waste of time. i feel, anyways.
But please...
Keep posting your results, they may be helpful for future use if this all happens to be solid.
Post by: rafinhalive on October 26, 2010, 09:09:00 PM
Drive: Liteon 93450C
Firmware: LT 1.1
Dashboard: latest,not kinect beta
Fable 3 working: Yes
XVal result: not tested
Xbox : No Jtag
New Games that Work fine:
The Sims 3
Star Wars - The Force Unleashed 2
0800 copy by my own.
Post by: p4r0l3 on October 26, 2010, 10:36:00 PM
That way, when your XVal is flagged you can reflash your NAND before taking the console back online.
Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates.
Post by: cilo911 on October 27, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
QUOTE(p4r0l3 @ Oct 27 2010, 12:36 AM)
Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates.
+1
Post by: Nombrrr1 on October 27, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
I dont see how the XVal test is revealing because all it does is tell you if your ALREADY banned from what I can find on a quick Google search. I can play the game just fine on a box that hasnt been connected to the internet in about 3 months or so and I am playing Fable III. Nothing popped up saying 'update required' and Im enjoying the game so far. What exactly is everyone trying to figure out here? How the new dash detects non-original games, or how non original games are being detected by something else; meaning its hammer time?
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 12:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Nombrrr1 @ Oct 27 2010, 02:22 AM)
Ok I signed up just to talk about this...
I dont see how the XVal test is revealing because all it does is tell you if your ALREADY banned from what I can find on a quick Google search. I can play the game just fine on a box that hasnt been connected to the internet in about 3 months or so and I am playing Fable III. Nothing popped up saying 'update required' and Im enjoying the game so far. What exactly is everyone trying to figure out here? How the new dash detects non-original games, or how non original games are being detected by something else; meaning its hammer time?
I dont see how the XVal test is revealing because all it does is tell you if your ALREADY banned from what I can find on a quick Google search. I can play the game just fine on a box that hasnt been connected to the internet in about 3 months or so and I am playing Fable III. Nothing popped up saying 'update required' and Im enjoying the game so far. What exactly is everyone trying to figure out here? How the new dash detects non-original games, or how non original games are being detected by something else; meaning its hammer time?
From the looks of things, it seems that MS has installed a Master Chief in the firmware its self. Master Cheif is in your xbox. Once Master Chief detects that you have played non original Fable 3 he created and steals the flag and is about to deliver it to Xbox Live servers as soon as you sign in.
Long Story Short, the Ban flags are being created offline. Go online and you are Toast.
Post by: Nombrrr1 on October 27, 2010, 12:48:00 AM
A few more Q's if you dont mind then. If M$ has in fact put Master C in my box somehow, then how did they do it? The copy I have matches the CRC and DMI in ABGX online, did not prompt me to update anything at all when I put my backup of FIII in, and I can play it just fine with LT 1.1. How did a Spartan get into my base when I havent even had an ethernet cable in that box for a few months now? Unless that jerk used Cloaking... (I hated Halo cuz i could never see anyone who was invisible lol)
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 01:11:00 AM
Post by: Angel_Azrael on October 27, 2010, 01:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Nombrrr1 @ Oct 27 2010, 02:48 AM)
How did a Spartan get into my base when I havent even had an ethernet cable in that box for a few months now? Unless that jerk used Cloaking... (I hated Halo cuz i could never see anyone who was invisible lol)
You're getting close... because that's exactly what people are trying to figure it out. For some reason, some people are getting flagged OFFLINE after booting a copy of the Fable III disc while updated to the new dashboard (beta or leaked version), and XVal let you know if your console is flagged or clean.
Until the official new dashboard is released, all this are just comments and not facts, so for the moment people are trying to know why this is happening (the offline flagging) using this new *non-official* dashboard in some consoles and not in all of them.
Hope all that cleared you a little more
.
Post by: Nombrrr1 on October 27, 2010, 01:19:00 AM
Post by: col12 on October 27, 2010, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 27, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
Drive: Hitachi 79
Firmware: 1.51
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: yes
Gamertag corruption: Haven't Checked.
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
Jtag : No
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 27, 2010, 01:51:00 AM
Drive: Liteon 74850C
Firmware: LT 1.1
Dashboard: 2.0.91990
Officially in beta: No
Fable 3 working: Yes
XVal result: Secdata is Clean
Jtag : No
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 03:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Nombrrr1 @ Oct 27 2010, 02:48 AM)
OK Unreg...I'm picking up what your putting down.
A few more Q's if you dont mind then. If M$ has in fact put Master C in my box somehow, then how did they do it? The copy I have matches the CRC and DMI in ABGX online, did not prompt me to update anything at all when I put my backup of FIII in, and I can play it just fine with LT 1.1. How did a Spartan get into my base when I havent even had an ethernet cable in that box for a few months now? Unless that jerk used Cloaking... (I hated Halo cuz i could never see anyone who was invisible lol)
**** New Test and Update and Bad News****
I am about to go to bed so I will keep it short.
Sorry but the ONLY Logical explanation is that Xbox360 OS has been totally updated - not just the numbers and not just the interface.
If you have the latest Xbox 360 dashboard(Kinect Beta) and Fable 3 then when you play Fable 3 some sort of check is being performed and the Xbox360 is creating a BAN flag-Profile is corrupted on the Spot.
** Update I think the Xbox360 OS is checking/Testing every copied or real game you put in the console. Its NOT Fable 3.
*CONSOLE HAS NEVER BEEN ONLINE
My Xbox 360 Elite with 8xxxx Series LiteOn firmware 1.5
Kinect Dashboard Version 2.0.12416 (Not officially in the Beta)
Fable 3 patched to Wave 3 works fine.
Fable 3 Wave 4 boots with Activation Disc.
Profile is not Corrupt. (Transferred the Profile to my Xbox Slim and it works)
Used xVal 2.0 and the Xbox360 is clean.
CONSOLE was used ONLINE since Purchase and after taking the Latest Update it was taken OFFLINE.
My Xbox 360 Elite with 7xxxx Series LiteOn firmware LT (Paid someone to Flash 2 days ago)
Officially in Kinect Dashboard Version (Latest Version of the Beta)
Fable 3 patched to Wave 3 - Does Not work.
Fable 3 Wave 4 - Does Not Work.
At first I put in Fable 3 and then played Fallout NV.
The Profile was corrupt when I transfered to my un-modded Xbox360 Slim.
I thought may be it was corrupt because I placed in Fable 3.
I then placed in my Clean Profile in the Xbox and just tested Fallout NV - Profile Corrupt.
(I need to check if I log in my profile and log out without playing anything will it Corrupt)
Used xVal 2.0 and the Xbox360 is not Clean - AP 2.5 Test Fail.
As long as you keep your Xbox 360 off line your console will not be banned how ever the Xbox OS is Corrupting Profiles OFFLINE and that is not good. I think people should STAY AWAY form the Dashboard Update. I think MS has found a way to find and discomfort people who keep one Xbox for OFFLINE-Backups Only. If you console is flagged like mine and is Corrupting Profiles I don't think there is an easy fix for that. However I think someone might come up with a new firmware for the drives and pass the new Anti Piracy 2.5 scheme.
I just want my console un-flagged for now. I can still create an ONLINE repair Order for the Flagged 360. My conclusion is that, what ever checks MS was doing ON Live are being done inside the Xbox and once you connect the 360 to Live - GAME OVER.
Post by: kingdt on October 27, 2010, 03:20:00 AM
The only person left in the world with a fully working jtag on the new dash will be Bill Gates, we all know he's got one
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 03:37:00 AM
They cannot and will not render a console useless... They will have bitten off more then they can chew. I PAYED for my xbox and all the hardware and software that's in it belongs to me, i can do what i want with it... INCLUDING FIRMWARE FLASHING... I'm doing nothing illegal there and they cannot punish me for it.
BUT
They can introduce a new "wave" or security protection to software updates in order to prevent piracy, that way it's totally up to you if you want to upgrade to it or not. But we all know, if it is true... It's only a matter of time before someone breaks it.
I'm not worried at all.
Have faith people, have faith.
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 27, 2010, 03:59:00 AM
Post by: vildzek on October 27, 2010, 04:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 26 2010, 11:40 PM)
So whats your point? I'm in the preview program and it doesnt boot, and the original one does.
So its.
1. Bad rip by Marvel which i really doubt.
2. New protection (very likely).
If it doesnt boot now, it will not boot when the updates is being send to everyone.
Damn how freaking hard is it to understand.
I sold my 360 and have the Ps3 hacked, is a idea thats all. MS and SONY release updates to control the machines, i hate this generation. The ps2 and xbox worked FINE without those monthly updates !!!
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 04:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ Oct 27 2010, 11:24 AM)
Yes and your two cents are bullshit, he didn't directly say that he was going online but the point of this thread is essentially fear of a new banhammer, also he is using the current dashboard and not the kinect-compatible beta one and didn't try xVal and so his post is essentially meaningless other than it being a means for him to admit to the world that he's a pirate and thus violate the forum rules and for that you support him.
Well done.
Dude, give it up. You're an idiot. Accept it.
He was just trying to help. Which is more than you've contributed to this thread.
Please... tell me, just how meaningless his post is... compared to
THE FOLLOWING:
'SPARK': Has anybody who actually matters analysed and detailed these apparent 'new protection' routines yet?
'SPARK': Personally I believe this when the commodore says it, until then it's just baseless paranoia and nonsense.
'SPARK': So basically, anybody who said their console prompted them to update today without being on the beta programme is most likely talking shit.
Seems to me your 'two cents' stink more of shit than mine do.
Honestly, dude. You're a joke. Get a grip, be a man and suck it up. While you're at it try to be a little more positive, the guy is only trying to help.
please, go ahead... TAKE 20 mins to think of a good comeback... go through the thread and quote me back, and we'll continue to argue who the real wanker is here. Hope your ego helps you sleep at night.
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 04:43:00 AM
I'm still not convinced.
keep the info coming, please. Every little bit helps.
Post by: afroninja on October 27, 2010, 05:09:00 AM
Firmware: LT1.0
Drive: LiteOn 74850C
For 1,5 year console is offline
Fable 3 boots, installs and run fine
Xval result after playing Fable3: Sec data is clean
Looks like new protection affects people running new Kinect dashboard and those who play pirated games online. Maybe X360's anti-piracy protection updates when console is online without prompting any message.
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 05:19:00 AM
QUOTE(afroninja @ Oct 27 2010, 12:09 PM)
I tried Fable3 on Falcon console with 2.0.91990 Dash.
Firmware: LT1.0
Drive: LiteOn 74850C
For 1,5 year console is offline
Fable 3 boots, installs and run fine
Xval result after playing Fable3: Sec data is clean
Looks like new protection affects people running new Kinect dashboard and those who play pirated games online. Maybe X360's anti-piracy protection updates when console is online without prompting any message.
hmm... interesting. Well, i do not play online... Nor do i have intentions to. So i guess if this is the case, i just won't update.
It'd really be good to hear the thoughts of the ixtreme crew and c4eva on this topic. It maybe as simple as patching the iso's.
or maybe a new field of protection needs to be implemented into the ixtreme firmware to send back 'FAKE' positive results to the consoles dash...
Who knows, i'm surely no wizard on the matter. i guess we'll have to wait for the official dash release to see if this is all solid evidence. and plus, if there is new protection i doubt anything will be done about it 'till the new release anyways.
Post by: afhaaljap on October 27, 2010, 05:50:00 AM
Motherboard: Zephyr
Drive: Benq LT 1.2
JTAG : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9919.0
With Avatars: yes
Fable 3 (Marvel) working: Yes
Xval: Console Banned
After update:
Dashboard: 2.0.12607.0
Official Beta: No
With Avatars: Yes
Fable 3 (Marvel) working: No
Xval: Console Banned
Hope this helps!
Post by: marcel2552 on October 27, 2010, 05:52:00 AM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 27 2010, 12:18 PM)
Yes, but are you using the LATEST beta dash?
no that was not the case,luckaly ive got a spare xbox arround the house for testing purposes.
Fable 3 plays on 9199 dash(something like that) but the latest dash 12606 refuses to start the game(the xbox recognizes the game i.e. i got a fable 3 picture in the disk channel, but when i tried to start it, it says disk read error.
Guess ill not update my brand spanking new 360 slim with the kinnect dash, and patch all upcoming games back to a previous wave(i dont care about xbx live).
fine by me the new dash is really ugly i must say.
(the Fable 3 rip is NOT from Marvel)
Post by: Rutkoszczak on October 27, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
P.S Sorry for my bad english :/
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 06:59:00 AM
If you fire up a flashed 360 with the Kinect dashboard on it and sign into your gamertag, then shut the console down and move your gamertag to a different 360, it'll work fine. However, if you play any backups on the flashed 360 - not just Fable 3 - your profile will show as corrupt if you try and use it on a different console. This puts and end to people playing games offline on a flashed console, then signing into Live on a different console to update their gamerscore.
My flashed console has been kept offline for over a year and isn't banned from Live, although it is now marked for a ban (failed AP25 challenge). I would guess that booting any backup will cause the failed AP25 challenge, as the dashboard must be able to detect that you're booting a backup in order to corrupt your gamertag.
Closed-minded people like Spark aren't helping anyone. He's just filling the thread up with shit. Still being in denial that a new protection exists at this point is idiotic.
Post by: SnAQ on October 27, 2010, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 27, 2010, 07:33:00 AM
@ SnAQ, there are wave changers that change the contents of sysupdate, however as you say, if future games REQUIRE kinect to be installed (or a component of it) then you're screwed. It would make sense that this is the way it's going.
Post by: Meccs on October 27, 2010, 07:39:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 27 2010, 03:33 PM)
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@ SnAQ, there are wave changers that change the contents of sysupdate, however as you say, if future games REQUIRE kinect to be installed (or a component of it) then you're screwed. It would make sense that this is the way it's going.
@ SnAQ, there are wave changers that change the contents of sysupdate, however as you say, if future games REQUIRE kinect to be installed (or a component of it) then you're screwed. It would make sense that this is the way it's going.
Sounds plausible and makes sense!
Post by: afroninja on October 27, 2010, 08:05:00 AM
http://www.360mods.net/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=27469
Post by: 360player on October 27, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Do you think if I flashed back to the 8350 stock firmware that came in the bundle it might be ok to stay on live?
Post by: usuko on October 27, 2010, 08:28:00 AM
I think it's happening becouse you've launched Fable 3. So your console was flagged after that. And now when it's flagged, all changes in profile on that console like launching any game(not only backups) will lead to a corrupted profile. To prove it or bust, just try launching a Licensed version of any game and move your gamertag to a different console. If it still will be corrupted, that means it actually can't detect backups (well, except Fable3). Thanks in advance.
Post by: thesonandheir on October 27, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(360player @ Oct 27 2010, 03:06 PM)
My xbox has a 8350 v1 drive flashed with LT firmware right now.
Do you think if I flashed back to the 8350 stock firmware that came in the bundle it might be ok to stay on live?
In the past I would have said no, but with this new stuff I would actually do that. Do it before the update comes and let us know.
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 08:49:00 AM
1. Gamertag recovered from Live on unflashed 360 Slim.
2. Moved to USB stick and plugged into flashed console.
3. Booted original of Modern Warfare 2.
4. Moved USB stick back to unflashed 360 Slim.
5. Gamertag corrupted.
So it looks like you're right. Once your console is affected by this, booting any game corrupts your profile, whether it's an original or a backup. If you don't boot a game, it doesn't corrupt your profile unless you created the gamertag on the affected console after it's been affected (see below).
Another test: -
1. Create new offline profile on flashed console (no games booted).
2. Moved to USB stick and plugged into unflashed 360 Slim.
3. Gamertag corrupted.
I expected that to happen, but I thought I'd test it anyway.
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 27 2010, 04:11 PM)
or it could just be a glitch in the dash. Since the beginning of this beta I've had tons of shit go wrong with the dashboard. wishful thinking but this isn't the final dashboard even if you have the latest version.
I think that is wishful thinking, because it does the following: -
1. Prevents backups of Fable 3 from booting
2. Flags the console for a ban for failing the AP25 challenge
3. Corrupts any gamertag that boots a game on the affected console so that the gamertag won't work on any other console
4. Corrupts any gamertag created on the affected console so it won't work on any other console
When it was just Fable 3 not booting, then yeah, a glitch was a likely cause, especially as some people are using beta dashboards downloaded off the web, some with avatars and some without, but the AP25 challenge failure and gamertag corruption seem quite deliberate to me, especially as people are reporting these issues on consoles that are unbanned and not connected to Xbox Live.
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
a Flashed console without Kinect dashboard to a None flashed console connected to live obvioulsy with Kinect dashboard
would you still be forced to update the dashboard for the offline console? Each console will have its own HD
Post by: binjahbo on October 27, 2010, 09:53:00 AM
QUOTE(morenomdz @ October 25, 2010, 05:26:29 PM)
Fixt the post for better understanding. Just keeping the logs up who know if it may be helpfull or not.
Anyway, you need more sex loggio.
QUOTE(loggio @ October 25, 2010, 05:54:14 PM)
Thanks man. You offering? lol thanks for the log.
That made me laugh...Anyway, I know this question is quite vague but what’s the general consensus of what is going on?
Edit:- To answer my own question.
The fact that people are having evidence for a security check while booting a pirated game is somewhat not fully understood at this point. Its only logical to think that perhaps M$ have indeed stepped up their game and added checks causing the newer pirated game not to load on the new beta dashboards.
But this is NOT FACT as of yet, we would just have to see what comes of it in a few weeks. As for me, I am more or less leaning with the agreement that says "new security checks in place"
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 27, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(360player @ Oct 27 2010, 07:06 AM)
My xbox has a 8350 v1 drive flashed with LT firmware right now.
Do you think if I flashed back to the 8350 stock firmware that came in the bundle it might be ok to stay on live?
I tried this last year and i was still banned when i logged on but I didn't know about Xval back then
run xval program and see if your system is clean
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=696941
instructions:
From the Xbox 360 dashboard:
My Xbox, System Settings, Console Settings, System Info.
The Console Serial Number is at the top and the X value is the 16 digit code at the bottom right.
Post by: TheDemonIII on October 27, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
Im obviously not saying this with any technical evidence but given the current circumstances it seems like a logical possibility
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(TheDemonIII @ Oct 27 2010, 05:30 PM)
i feel the most important thing here is the fact that this is only happening with the backup of fable 3. if there is a new check (which at this point it seems like there is something) then it would seem like the problem is with backups of new games. nobody has posted anything about rips of older games not booting or causing the AP25 flag. maybe there is some new form of copy protection on these games that make it easy to detect a backup from the retail which current drives/ripping software are not currently suited for?
Im obviously not saying this with any technical evidence but given the current circumstances it seems like a logical possibility
That is the next thing that we could do with testing. It's too late for me, as my console is already flagged, but if someone who hasn't booted a backup of Fable 3 on a flashed console with the Kinect dashboard installed could try booting other backups and checking to see if their console is flagged, that would at least let people know whether the Fable 3 backup is the "trigger" for this or not.
I had no issues with my console before I tried playing Fable 3, but then I also did a couple of dashboard updates around the same time, so I'm not in a position to give reliable evidence in this case as I couldn't say for sure if it was Fable or a dashboard update that caused this.
Post by: TheDemonIII on October 27, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 27 2010, 12:33 PM)
That is the next thing that we could do with testing. It's too late for me, as my console is already flagged, but if someone who hasn't booted a backup of Fable 3 on a flashed console with the Kinect dashboard installed could try booting other backups and checking to see if their console is flagged, that would at least let people know whether the Fable 3 backup is the "trigger" for this or not.
I had no issues with my console before I tried playing Fable 3, but then I also did a couple of dashboard updates around the same time, so I'm not in a position to give reliable evidence in this case as I couldn't say for sure if it was Fable or a dashboard update that caused this.
wow after seeing all of the other posts on this thread i was expecting to be called stupid or a paranoid idiot or ill-informed or something of that sort. glad to see some people on this forum have brains =P
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
So when the backup is run (Fable 3) does it render the console useless or only affect your online ability. I have not tried this myself as i am fearful it would render my console useless. I have a Benq with Ixtreme LT (latest) but do not have the Kinect dashboard installed. My secdata is clean. I intended to use this console solely for Kinect downstairs.
What Im asking is, what are the consequences once I update to the Kinect dash on Nov 4? If I run a retail game and never run a backup again will I be flagged and screwed?
It seems this all revolved around Fable 3. Why are there not reports of other newer games causing the same thing..
Thanks....
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
They have this AP 2.5 security check in the OS and once the 360 finds one back up that is failing tests, the xbox is flagged for banning. The profile will be corrupt - just like last year's Banned consoles would corrupt your profile.
I am not sure how we can unban our offline-consoles.
Post by: TheDemonIII on October 27, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(sonky @ Oct 27 2010, 12:49 PM)
Quick question,
So when the backup is run (Fable 3) does it render the console useless or only affect your online ability. I have not tried this myself as i am fearful it would render my console useless. I have a Benq with Ixtreme LT (latest) but do not have the Kinect dashboard installed. My secdata is clean. I intended to use this console solely for Kinect downstairs.
What Im asking is, what are the consequences once I update to the Kinect dash on Nov 4? If I run a retail game and never run a backup again will I be flagged and screwed?
It seems this all revolved around Fable 3. Why are there not reports of other newer games causing the same thing..
Thanks....
if you're never going to play another backup then flash back to original fw prior to the dashboard update and you "should" be safe
does anyone know if this method of "uncrippling" (stopping the 360 from corrupting profiles) still works?
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=697231
Post by: darkneovamp on October 27, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
QUOTE(afroninja @ Oct 27 2010, 10:05 AM)
Uh-Oh. Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2 affected too??
http://www.360mods.net/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=27469
I can't boot Fable 3 but Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2 boots and plays fine. Both are backups and on dash 2.0.12581.0.
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: thesonandheir on October 27, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(darkneovamp @ Oct 27 2010, 05:59 PM)
I can't boot Fable 3 but Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2 boots and plays fine. Both are backups and on dash 2.0.12581.0.
Can you try moving your profile to a different box to see if it is crippled?
Post by: S934T88234L on October 27, 2010, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
Does it render the console useless as I asked before meaning the profile on the box your playing on is crippled, wont boot , and banned?
If this turns out to be the case it is bad indeed.
I dont see how this is legal to cripple something I own the rights to and can do whatever I want to it as I have bought it....
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(sonky @ Oct 27 2010, 05:49 PM)
Quick question,
So when the backup is run (Fable 3) does it render the console useless or only affect your online ability.
As yet, we're not sure if it's booting Fable 3 that causes the problem, or certain versions of the Kinect beta dash. It does appear to be Fable 3 that triggers it, but without more evidence, I can't say that for sure.
It doesn't render the console useless. The only known negative affects of being hit with this right now are backups of Fable 3 not booting, the console being flagged for a ban, and gamertags being corrupted so they don't work on other consoles (but they continue to work on the affected console).
I'm sure that the people in the know are already looking into this, but the only safe thing to do right now is to not update to any version of the Kinect dashboard, beta or otherwise, on a flashed console.
QUOTE
Once this is done, does it cripple the profile that is being used on the box or only when you move it to another.
Gamertags work fine on the affected console, but they will show as corrupt if you try and use them on any other console. If the gamertag was created before the console was affected, you need to boot any game (backup or original) on the affected console for the corruption to occur. If the gamertag was created on the affected console, after it was affected, then it'll show as corrupt on other consoles whether you've played any games or not.
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
After booting Fable 3 - Flashed LT - Liteon Drive - Profile not corrupt - NO Kinect Dashboard
Post by: bodybag on October 27, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 27 2010, 08:27 AM)
someone didnt even play fable3 he updated his dash then checked xval straight after and was ap25
Go and sit in ur cupboard you rubarb..
Post by: TheDemonIII on October 27, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(bodybag @ Oct 27 2010, 01:39 PM)
Go and sit in ur cupboard you rubarb..
just wondering... is that a serious statement that people in the UK make? if so lol
Post by: S934T88234L on October 27, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 12:17:00 PM
I am starting to think that it was this fable 3 disk that is flagging consoles. maybe Microsoft leaked this game to get some people banned.
The Fable 3 seems to be the culprit that started it all.
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
Some of you guys are saying that the Profile becomes corrupt after moving it to another console?... Are these "other consoles" running the SAME CURRENT BETA DASH dash as the console you attempted to play fabel on... Or is it an earlier version of the dashboard?
The reason i ask, maybe the new Kinect dash handles profiles differently, maybe the old dash cannot read some of the code and corrupts newer profiles from the current BETA dash. After all, someone did say earlier that the new dash was recreated from the ground up... it's possible the that code changed to a point where it handles ceratin game saves differently than the old dash.
anyways, a wild guess... Let me know guys if you tested fabel on the latest beta dash, failed ap25, then moved to another console also with the latest beta dash and tried to boot the gamer profile, would be interesting to see what happens.
Maybe that's exactly what you did... I'm just unsure
Post by: Celerion on October 27, 2010, 12:45:00 PM
@Sonky: No, Microsoft did not leak the fucking game to get people banned. It doesn't matter whether you use the scene release, the p2p release that was leaked before the scene release or your own copy. There is a new protection in place on the fable 3 disk it is as simple as that.
@S934T88234L: The only games having problems and resulting in a bad xvalue are Fable 3 and Sims 3 in combination with the new dash, you would know this if you read this thread.
@tarektaha: This problem is unrelated so go take it somewhere else.
--
It's ok if you don't have the time to read enough posts to make yourself a clear enough picture on what's going on but at least STOP making dump theories, it's not constructive.
Post by: D6E on October 27, 2010, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Celerion @ Oct 27 2010, 07:45 PM)
@loggio: No the profile gets corrupted like in the last ban wave where you have to uncripple and resign it on pc to get it working again. This happens after the console detected that an AP25 challenge has failed and the console therefore gets flagged and "cripples" itself.
@Sonky: No, Microsoft did not leak the fucking game to get people banned. It doesn't matter whether you use the scene release, the p2p release that was leaked before the scene release or your own copy. There is a new protection in place on the fable 3 disk it is as simple as that.
@S934T88234L: The only games having problems and resulting in a bad xvalue are Fable 3 and Sims 3 in combination with the new dash, you would know this if you read this thread.
@tarektaha: This problem is unrelated so go take it somewhere else.
--
It's ok if you don't have the time to read enough posts to make yourself a clear enough picture on what's going on but at least STOP making dump theories, it's not constructive.
So how in the fuck is Fable 3 flagging consoles that aren't even signed into XBL?
D6E
Post by: pkmz on October 27, 2010, 12:56:00 PM
1. My Wife's it has Lite-on 93 one that required cutting and soldering.
Motherboard: Not Sure
Drive: Lite-On (93xxx that required cutting/soldering)
JTAG : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9919.0
With Avatars: yes
Fable 3 (Marvel) working: Haven't tried
Xval: Secdata Clean
Motherboard: Falcon
Drive: Benq LT 1.2
JTAG : No
Dashboard: 2.0.12607 (Beta Dash - It's a Online Console)
With Avatars: yes
Fable 3 (Marvel) working: Haven't Tried
Xval: Secdata Clean.
Motherboard: Xenon
Drive: Hitachi (Stock)
JTAG : Yes
Dashboard: Freeboot .32 (2.0.9919.0)
With Avatars: yes
Fable 3 (Marvel) working: Yes - External Hardrive
Xval: Secdata Clean from what I can tell.
I take my online profile and cycle between my jtag and non. No corruptions. I have earned a few achievements in fable.
If I can update to beta Dash on my jtag and revert back i'll gladly do all test possible. Any have information on doing so?
Post by: 360player on October 27, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 27 2010, 08:54 AM)
I tried this last year and i was still banned when i logged on but I didn't know about Xval back then
run xval program and see if your system is clean
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=696941
instructions:
From the Xbox 360 dashboard:
My Xbox, System Settings, Console Settings, System Info.
The Console Serial Number is at the top and the X value is the 16 digit code at the bottom right.
Ok i checked and my Xval is clean:
I'm on dashboard 9199 and I have booted and played fable 3 for a bit.
So must be a new check value in the new dashboard that works with the fable 3 disc.
I think I'm going to flash my 8350 v1 back to the stock firmware that came in the JF release before I update to the new dashboard.
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 01:11:00 PM
(@Sonky: No, Microsoft did not leak the fucking game to get people banned. It doesn't matter whether you use the scene release, the p2p release that was leaked before the scene release or your own copy. There is a new protection in place on the fable 3 disk it is as simple as that.)
You need to read a few posts up where C.Troy states he tried Sims 3 and it booted on the Beta dash with no xval corruption...
You need to read and stop posting without reading.
it is only the Fable 3 disk causing this thus far...
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE(D6E @ Oct 27 2010, 02:53 PM)
So how in the fuck is Fable 3 flagging consoles that aren't even signed into XBL?
D6E
Please read the thread, the OS is going checks and flagging consoles. Stop wasting time.
Post by: Landontc on October 27, 2010, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: funksoulbrother on October 27, 2010, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Landontc @ Oct 27 2010, 08:31 PM)
It is not due to the marvel rip or a "special" MS leaked copy. After ripping my own retail disc with an 0800 drive it is identical to the marvel release. There is simply no chance that this has something to do with a specific rip of fable. I'm not sure why people are still suggesting that as a possibility.
It's because some people pop their tin foil hats on and imagine a scenario where MS would deliberately leak a specially modified version of one of their biggest titles of the year as some kind of honey trap, even though the leaked version of the game worked fine for anyone not on the Kinect beta dashboard (and even some that are on it), which is the majority of people.
It's clear that some people don't want to believe what has become pretty obvious after reading through this entire thread - that there really is some new protection in play here, and it's just the specifics that are yet to be worked out.
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
Hopefully it will be soon.
Post by: moddr8oy on October 27, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(S934T88234L @ Oct 27 2010, 06:10 PM)
http://xorloser.com/?p=9 -- Good read.
This is taken from that post:
Current Xbox360 dvd-drive hacks work since the challenge/response pairs are stored in the security sector on the disc, meaning that all possible challenge/responses are known in advance. The best way for MS to solve this problem is to use challenge/response pairs that are not known in advance to the dvd-drive. So if a hacked dvd-drive receives an unknown challenge it will not have the correct repsonse to send back, therefore the authentication will fail and the copied game will not boot.
MS could do these extra checks when you connect to Xbox Live, and could even save unknown challenge/response pairs to a file on the flash of your Xbox360 in order to do the checks offline. They could also save challenge/responses to your flash when you update your console via Live or an update on a game disc.
All sounds a bit to similar to me
Post by: marcel2552 on October 27, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
i never used xbx live anyways.
Post by: TheDemonIII on October 27, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(moddr8oy @ Oct 27 2010, 04:08 PM)
This is taken from that post:
Current Xbox360 dvd-drive hacks work since the challenge/response pairs are stored in the security sector on the disc, meaning that all possible challenge/responses are known in advance. The best way for MS to solve this problem is to use challenge/response pairs that are not known in advance to the dvd-drive. So if a hacked dvd-drive receives an unknown challenge it will not have the correct repsonse to send back, therefore the authentication will fail and the copied game will not boot.
MS could do these extra checks when you connect to Xbox Live, and could even save unknown challenge/response pairs to a file on the flash of your Xbox360 in order to do the checks offline. They could also save challenge/responses to your flash when you update your console via Live or an update on a game disc.
All sounds a bit to similar to me
this was when "ssv2" was starting to show up. perhaps now there is an "ssv3?!?!" lol
Post by: audi_a8 on October 27, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(marcel2552 @ Oct 27 2010, 10:13 PM)
im never going on xbox live again, when my 360 is modded i will patch all upcomming games to an older wave and stay at the current official dash (9199).
i never used xbx live anyways.
Your post is nr 1 now.
Thanx for contributing
Post by: thesonandheir on October 27, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
QUOTE(marcel2552 @ Oct 27 2010, 09:13 PM)
im never going on xbox live again, when my 360 is modded i will patch all upcomming games to an older wave and stay at the current official dash (9199).
i never used xbx live anyways.
I don't think you quite grasp what is being said here.
'Upcoming' games will not be able to run on your modded DVD FW Xbox, no matter what wave you patch them to.
So get ready to say bye bye to backups cause they ain't going to be used for much longer.
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 27 2010, 10:21 PM)
I don't think you quite grasp what is being said here.
'Upcoming' games will not be able to run on your modded DVD FW Xbox, no matter what wave you patch them to.
So get ready to say bye bye to backups cause they ain't going to be used for much longer.
I Don't like people jumping to dramatic dark conclusion - As usual!- too early. I've changed fable 3 to wave 3 and it played fine on my flashed console. If you don't care about live and did not upgrade your console to the new dashboard you can play keep playing backup - even from new games like fable 3. That is the CURRENT info anything can change but don't say BS. I think you don't rasp what is being said here!
Post by: VOYAGERXP on October 27, 2010, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE
So get ready to say bye bye to backups cause they ain't going to be used for much longer.
Don't you think your jumping the gun a little. I mean i'm sure someone will come up with a fix as they always do. Nintendo tried and failed with there firmware killer with the wii and ps3 was always said to be unhackible but people are playing backups now are they not. What makes me laugh is if this does as you say mean the end of backups microsoft will i'm sure lose on console sales as the many millions of people who only buy 360's for the sole use of playing copys will i'm sure not start going out to buy originals.
Post by: col12 on October 27, 2010, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(bodybag @ Oct 26 2010, 10:41 PM)
Drive: Liteon 9 series
Firmware: Latest LT
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.12416.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: didnt try it
XVal result: secdata is clean!
keep up the good work its priceless no beta didnt try fable secdata clean do yourself a favour go to the main road and shout at the cars
Post by: darkneovamp on October 27, 2010, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 27 2010, 01:04 PM)
Can you try moving your profile to a different box to see if it is crippled?
I don't have another box to check it on, sorry. I did fail the AP 2.5 check though so I am sure it is.
Post by: Zomah on October 27, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 27 2010, 10:21 PM)
I don't think you quite grasp what is being said here.
'Upcoming' games will not be able to run on your modded DVD FW Xbox, no matter what wave you patch them to.
So get ready to say bye bye to backups cause they ain't going to be used for much longer.
There are just new checks probably and the XEX doesnt give the dashboard the permission to boot the game.
C4E should be able to fix this, by creating a new firmware.
Post by: bodybag on October 27, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ Oct 27 2010, 09:48 PM)
keep up the good work its priceless no beta didnt try fable secdata clean do yourself a favour go to the main road and shout at the cars
Thankyou... its just great I can help the community! just like you!
Post by: Unregistered007 on October 27, 2010, 03:01:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 27 2010, 04:21 PM)
I don't think you quite grasp what is being said here.
'Upcoming' games will not be able to run on your modded DVD FW Xbox, no matter what wave you patch them to.
So get ready to say bye bye to backups cause they ain't going to be used for much longer.
Sorry but if you read my post, Fable 3 works fine on my 12416 beta dashboard, Wave3 patched and Wave 4 boot with Activation disc.
Its the Latest Dashboard that is causing problems. I will wait now. No point in repeating again and again.
Post by: thesonandheir on October 27, 2010, 03:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 27 2010, 09:53 PM)
There are just new checks probably and the XEX doesnt give the dashboard the permission to boot the game.
C4E should be able to fix this, by creating a new firmware.
OK, reading into some peoples beta dash/Fable 3 experiences on here:
Game will register on the dashboard
Game will install 100%
Game will fail when booted with/without installation
This tells me that there is fuck all that new FW can do as it is doing its job already.
MS has implemented new routines in the dash and new checks in the xex and we cannot (on non JTAG machines) alter any of those, so in short we are fucked.
Well I'm not really as I have a nice Jasper JTAG waiting for me
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Unregistered007 @ Oct 27 2010, 11:01 PM)
Sorry but if you read my post, Fable 3 works fine on my 12416 beta dashboard, Wave3 patched and Wave 4 boot with Activation disc.
Its the Latest Dashboard that is causing problems. I will wait now. No point in repeating again and again.
+1 Did the same! Works fine.. Do people even R E A D!??????
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Oct 27 2010, 10:07 PM)
OK, reading into some peoples beta dash/Fable 3 experiences on here:
Game will register on the dashboard
Game will install 100%
Game will fail when booted with/without installation
This tells me that there is fuck all that new FW can do as it is doing its job already.
MS has implemented new routines in the dash and new checks in the xex and we cannot (on non JTAG machines) alter any of those, so in short we are fucked.
Well I'm not really as I have a nice Jasper JTAG waiting for me
Yes but on a non jtagged machine, after a game is installed, it still needs a disc in the drive to verify before booting from the hdd... So this tells me its is a firmware thing.
Post by: dangerouseddy on October 27, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Toddler on October 27, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(D6E @ Oct 27 2010, 01:53 PM)
So how in the fuck is Fable 3 flagging consoles that aren't even signed into XBL?
D6E
Here's my hypothesis:
- Technically, Fable III is not what's banning anyone. It is the new dashboard which is performing new disc checks.
- This appears to be unique to Fable III because they've either implemented a slightly new/modified/extended disc format, or AP2.5 is finally being implemented and this is where it starts (although I can't say how they'd limit it to Fable III).
- The previous point can be proven if someone uses an 0800 drive to rip and sees no issues. (The difficulty in this is that a lot of people will claim to have done their own 0800 rip, and a lot of those people will be lying.) If a verified, known good 0800 rip works, then it's simply AP2.5, and everybody having issues can blame their rip. If is doesn't, it must be something new that the current tools aren't able to rip.
Now waiting for someone smarter than I am to tear my logic apart.
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Oct 27 2010, 04:45 PM)
fable 3 fails because of new media checks on the fable 3 disc with the new dashboard, it works on some 360's because not all drives are capable of doing the checks, the hacked firmware doesnt report back the proper data (when booting a backup) on drives that are capable of doing the api 2.5 checks afaik.
It would be interesting to know which drives cannot do AP2.5, and to correlate that with what people are reporting.
If the drive type does make a difference, it would also be interesting to see if it's the hardware or the firmware which says "I can't do AP2.5." If the firmware returns something that says "I can't do it" then maybe that's easy to add to LT. If it's the hardware, then perhaps (for example) spoofed Hitachi drives will become incredibly popular. Or maybe Microsoft is able to tell what model drive you have (or are supposed to have) the dashboard only checks for AP2.5 if the drive model has that capability, in which case spoofing a Hitachi to look like a LiteOn may not work at all.
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: dangerouseddy on October 27, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 27 2010, 11:28 PM)
yea Fable 3 works just fine on the latest dash if you patch it to a lower wave. I've seen this for myself. either way gets you banned though but if you have a offline machine and every new game has this copy protection that's pretty much your only option.
not for me it doesnt, still gives the unrecognised disc error when patched.
Post by: Zod5000 on October 27, 2010, 04:43:00 PM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Oct 27 2010, 04:35 PM)
not for me it doesnt, still gives the unrecognised disc error when patched.
The only advantage I see of patching to previous waves, is that keeping the old Xbox OS will work until they start to include the update on new games. You'll need to patch the wave so that it doesn't try and update the console.
So I figure you can stay off line, but you can't use kinnect or live.
Post by: S934T88234L on October 27, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 27 2010, 11:00 PM)
Here's my hypothesis:
- Technically, Fable III is not what's banning anyone. It is the new dashboard which is performing new disc checks.
- This appears to be unique to Fable III because they've either implemented a slightly new/modified/extended disc format, or AP2.5 is finally being implemented and this is where it starts (although I can't say how they'd limit it to Fable III).
- The previous point can be proven if someone uses an 0800 drive to rip and sees no issues. (The difficulty in this is that a lot of people will claim to have done their own 0800 rip, and a lot of those people will be lying.) If a verified, known good 0800 rip works, then it's simply AP2.5, and everybody having issues can blame their rip. If is doesn't, it must be something new that the current tools aren't able to rip.
Now waiting for someone smarter than I am to tear my logic apart.
It would be interesting to know which drives cannot do AP2.5, and to correlate that with what people are reporting.
If the drive type does make a difference, it would also be interesting to see if it's the hardware or the firmware which says "I can't do AP2.5." If the firmware returns something that says "I can't do it" then maybe that's easy to add to LT. If it's the hardware, then perhaps (for example) spoofed Hitachi drives will become incredibly popular. Or maybe Microsoft is able to tell what model drive you have (or are supposed to have) the dashboard only checks for AP2.5 if the drive model has that capability, in which case spoofing a Hitachi to look like a LiteOn may not work at all.
I'm fairly sure the drives that cannot do these checks are Sammys. SSv2 is a prerequisite for SSv3 which will inevitably be introduced in the future to combat the AP2.5 checks (which Microsoft seems to have finally started to utilize). AP2.5 has been known about for years, so this is nothing new. I'm sure we'll be hearing much more about what's in store for the future in the coming weeks. XVal tool is fantastic now that it's displaying one of the other 'hidden' security events that were already known about.
Post by: Ankoholik on October 27, 2010, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: Jordih on February 03, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Oct 27 2010, 11:35 PM)
not for me it doesnt, still gives the unrecognised disc error when patched.
Me too. Hitachi and Samsung both throw up the error.
Post by: 360player on February 03, 2020, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(S934T88234L @ Oct 27 2010, 03:52 PM)
I'm fairly sure the drives that cannot do these checks are Sammys. SSv2 is a prerequisite for SSv3 which will inevitably be introduced in the future to combat the AP2.5 checks (which Microsoft seems to have finally started to utilize). AP2.5 has been known about for years, so this is nothing new. I'm sure we'll be hearing much more about what's in store for the future in the coming weeks. XVal tool is fantastic now that it's displaying one of the other 'hidden' security events that were already known about.
To add to this C4EVA stated this about ap2.5 last year. It seems that a sammy driven xbox might be ok?
I have two good ones right now so I hope at least these could work.
AP25: FIFA 09 LIVE Log, No New Checks for Now
>> C4EVA analyzed the Xbox LIVE checks on FIFA09 today after the news of the possible activation of AP2.5. Right now there are no new checks, but AP25 will be monitored for any activity in the future!
A bit earlier in #FW/EFnet:
QUOTE
<+c4eva> AP25 threat is real, but only MS knows if it will ever be enabled, since it has been in drive fw since hitachi!
<+c4eva> action against ap25 will be taken when it is used, until then we can only monitor!
<+c4eva> ap25 involves host supplied LBA checks, encrypted with AES, LBA's are submitted by the host (360)!
<+c4eva> not all drives support it, and they will have to make sure all drives that do support give back reliable results! not as easy as it sounds!
<rift> c4eva so just to make sure i got this correct, you said the 360 makes the AES'd lba request correct? not the drive?
<+c4eva> rift: transmitted to drive to do the checks!
<+c4eva> fifa is fine
Post by: dbdsneaky on October 27, 2010, 05:33:00 PM
and yeah update could include nu checks so why not find a way to make the drive unable to respond to the check as not all drives are compatible right? why not? how would you copy this, ,jus summat to think bout
will swear blind my beta testing flagged mine if a ban occurs lo
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 27, 2010, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on February 03, 2020, 06:43:00 PM
QUOTE(tarektaha @ Oct 27 2010, 06:04 PM)
There is no BAN WAVE this time its DASHBAN!
which might be worse when future games come bundled with the new dashboard
Post by: C.Troy on February 03, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
edit: still Failed AP25 Challenge and Fable 3 still doesn't boot.
This post has been edited by C.Troy: Today, 03:01 AM
Post by: Toddler on February 03, 2020, 06:57:00 PM
QUOTE(dbdsneaky @ Oct 27 2010, 06:33 PM)
why not find a way to make the drive unable to respond to the check as not all drives are compatible right? why not? how would you copy this, ,jus summat to think bout (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Basically what I was saying in my earlier post. It could be that the dashboard does a drive inquiry for enhanced SS checking and if the firmware returns a code indicating it's not supported, then it falls back. Or it could be that the dashboard queries for the drive model and knows which drives should be able to do it and if it tries and fails, no soup for you. Only a handful in the community have the capability to even know for sure, so it's probably best to just chill and wait it out.
This post has been edited by Toddler: Today, 03:06 AM
Post by: Unregistered007 on February 03, 2020, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 27 2010, 09:49 PM)
another beta update is out. I'll post results.
Possible to get it online ?
Post by: BorisX on February 03, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(tarektaha @ Oct 28 2010, 02:04 AM)
There is no BAN WAVE this time its DASHBAN!
That'd be a tough pill to swallow.. would throw a giant wrench into the modding community I would think
Post by: C.Troy on October 27, 2010, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: tarektaha on October 27, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
Would be able to keep the 2 Console Scenario?
Would be able to play new games without updating to the new dashboard?
Is the ban instructions in the new dashboard or new games like fable 3 or in both + Live?
Would be able to move profiles between Old and new dashboards?
Would profiles moved get corrupted?
How the LT/Slim currently in work will be effected?
Will old games still play on flashed console after updating to Kincet Dashboard?
Just a summary for all the questions raised in this post... unfortunately we have no defantive answers until the final dash is released. Obviously the best advise DO NOT UPDATE!
Post by: Haygar on October 27, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on October 27, 2010, 08:53:00 PM
If that's true I wonder if replacing the detected drive with an undetectable drive and spoof it would bypass AP2.5.
Post by: Haygar on October 27, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Oct 28 2010, 01:53 PM)
From the reports I guess it's safe to assume that LiteOn 8V1 is not affected?
If that's true I wonder if replacing the detected drive with an undetectable drive and spoof it would bypass AP2.5.If they reintroduce the dvd drive model check that was removed in the last dash or so then spoofing probably wouldn't help because the console would still expect to get a valid response from the drive it thinks it has.
Edit: They might not even need to do this because the nand knows what drive combo you have originally anyway.
Post by: aqswde123 on October 27, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
Post by: tomgreen99200 on October 27, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:10 AM)
guys call me a noob but isnt it obvious that it is the disk which is being detected by the dash and not the firmware being deteted by dash/disk, because the orignal copy of fable 3 works fine. I think this is good news because patching a disk is better than waiting for LT 1.3,1.4....I think this also means Current LT is a success. In a couple of weeks we will all know the reason and will be able to patch it...prolly a abgx 1.03
I also see this as a success since it required MS to implement AP 2.5 which C4EVA has known for about a year. Does anyone know if booting older games , pre-fable III, will cause the AP 2.5 flag to be raised (with the new dash of course)?
Post by: skyliner99 on October 27, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: BorisX on October 27, 2010, 09:45:00 PM
QUOTE(skyliner99 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:30 AM)
I seen it like this: Microsoft needs to sell some of their new shiny slim models, so, just launch another massive ban wave, get everyone to buy a new slim, $$$$$$
Or perhaps they want to stop people from "making backups" of their software and modifying the console they sell?
Sometimes it's easy to forget that the stuff we do here is greatly frowned upon by almost all major corporations as well as some copyright laws.
Post by: loggio on October 27, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: tomgreen99200 on October 27, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 27, 2010, 10:01:00 PM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Oct 27 2010, 08:59 PM)
Well this is a good thing because it if turns out to be true which it most definitely seems to be, then we already all know about AP 2.5. All we have to do is not update and wait for more to be known about this issue. This isn't like previous ban waves where everyone gets banned by surprise, now we actually know something well ahead of time. Thanks MS.
they haven't rolled out the latest dashboard yet to everyone
i don't think this is it yet
Post by: tomgreen99200 on October 27, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 28 2010, 05:01 AM)
they haven't rolled out the latest dashboard yet to everyone
i don't think this is it yet
While its not the final release it offers plenty of insight. Considering that the update isn't very far away, not much more could possibly be added to it.
Post by: JaseSX on October 27, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
LT + New Dash = Ok to play older games BUT No new games backup/originals, online or offline (ap2.5) untill something is done.
Post by: sonky on October 27, 2010, 11:17:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on October 27, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Oct 27 2010, 09:06 PM)
While its not the final release it offers plenty of insight. Considering that the update isn't very far away, not much more could possibly be added to it.
there's probably people flagged already they just haven't enabled it
Post by: Zod5000 on October 27, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE(aqswde123 @ Oct 27 2010, 09:10 PM)
guys call me a noob but isnt it obvious that it is the disk which is being detected by the dash and not the firmware being deteted by dash/disk, because the orignal copy of fable 3 works fine. I think this is good news because patching a disk is better than waiting for LT 1.3,1.4....I think this also means Current LT is a success. In a couple of weeks we will all know the reason and will be able to patch it...prolly a abgx 1.03
not so much, because its only being detected on the new dashboard, not the old one. Its also not happening on old games. So I'm going to go on a limb, and say the protection is in the dashboard and the disc. They work hand in hand. Patch the disc, the disc the dashboard might figure it out?
Post by: Toddler on October 28, 2010, 12:59:00 AM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Oct 27 2010, 10:59 PM)
Well this is a good thing because it if turns out to be true which it most definitely seems to be, then we already all know about AP 2.5. All we have to do is not update and wait for more to be known about this issue. This isn't like previous ban waves where everyone gets banned by surprise, now we actually know something well ahead of time. Thanks MS.
You're overlooking the fact that AP2.5 has been on all games released for over a year. The fact that only a new title is behaving this way indicates to me that it's not just AP2.5 being invoked but more likely a new extention to the SS method which the current tools can't (yet?) handle.
Post by: aqswde123 on October 28, 2010, 01:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Oct 28 2010, 06:29 AM)
not so much, because its only being detected on the new dashboard, not the old one. Its also not happening on old games. So I'm going to go on a limb, and say the protection is in the dashboard and the disc. They work hand in hand. Patch the disc, the disc the dashboard might figure it out?
Even if this disk is patchable in the future, the whole point of patching the disc is to bypass the dashboard check (fool the dashboard into thinking its a genuine disk)
Post by: C.Troy on October 28, 2010, 02:27:00 AM
Post by: JaseSX on October 28, 2010, 02:34:00 AM
Post by: Tron[ADS] on October 28, 2010, 02:37:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 28 2010, 09:27 AM)
what happens if newer games like black ops boot with no problem with the latest dash and fable 3 continues to be the only game?
What happens, is that MS quickly implement the same technique used onf Fable 3 on everything else from now on !
Post by: sieco187 on October 28, 2010, 03:19:00 AM
Link of original post: Link
"iXtreme 1.6 0800 firmware BenQ, LiteOn, Samsung Team HyperX
>> A 0800 (ripping version) of the 1.6 series has been released to the BenQ, LiteOn and Toshiba Samsung drives. As usual Hitachi will be last to follow (if at all supported for 0800 mode)
Features:
-Common API designed for easier application use!
-Support for SS V2!
-Direct 0800 mode for game dumping including SS v2!
This firmware is =NOT FOR USE IN A CONSOLE= and is provided
with the intended use of being in a dedicated "ripping" drive.
This means:
a. Does not need your DVD key,
b. Does not need spoofing as another drive,
c. Does not need to use the tray half open and
d. Does not need to use the activate.iso to use this firmware on the pc.
More Info
SS v2 supports multiple timing samples for challenges type 5 and 7, storing them in the SS. This is a pre-requisite for SS v3 which has support for the so called AP2.5 check. Since this has never been used or may never be used by MS we will adopt a wait and see approach and continue to monitor for its usage.
ix16 0800 Commands
-----------------
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 00 C0 - SS/CPRMAI
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 ID C0 - SS Challenge ID
12 00 00 00 30 C0 00 00 00 49 58 01 - ix Cmd 1 - Dumps key and rev 0x30 bytes
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 xx xx 49 58 02 - ix Cmd 2 - Output 0x800 bytes from ram address
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 49 58 03 - ix Cmd 3 - Toggles Lock/UnLock Game partition
Official Site: (n/a by Team HyperX)
Download: n/a (May be Illegal under EULA/DMCA)
News-Source: xbins.org
Discuss this news item on our forums: forums.xbox-scene.com"
*The most interesting part is what I put in bold. If SSV3 does indeed mean AP2.5 then no current rip or drive will give a working "non banning" backup. There will need to be a new 0800 firmware (or new korean firmware for that matter) that looks for SSV3 and that would be the reason no one is able to see the difference between the new discs and the old is because we simply cant read the new security sector data. Also this could possibly mean that there maybe nothing wrong with our current firmware because these checks are already in place and will give the correct challenge response to the fall 2010 dash
*Also on another note I saw this post by p4r0l3
"If you are going to test Fable3 on an online console with the latest dash, do yourself a favor and solder up an lpt/usb flasher and dump your flash before you try.
That way, when your XVal is flagged you can reflash your NAND before taking the console back online.
Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates."
I dont own any jtagable 360's so have never done a Jtag on one. Is it in fact possible to read and dump the NAND on a Jasper with 9199 dash, then should you get banned write the clean NAND dump back and effectively un-ban your console? Will this work on any console and dash version? I ask this because I can not find any concrete evidence of this on any Google searches so sorry if this is a known fact. And last question if it is possible can I use any Jtag tutorial and follow all the steps minus the SMC-JTAG wires?
Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Edit:
One more note to make is that as some people have already stated that those with early DVD drive (and not those that spoof older drives as newer) may have nothing to worry about because the hardware and or OEM firmware may not be able to read these SSV3 sectors at all. Also those with backups of games made within the last year with SSV1 patching may find themselves being banned since SSV2 is a prerequisite for AP2.5. Anyone want to be a guinea pig and try a recent backup with SSV1 and the new dash and report what your SEC comes back as?
This post has been edited by sieco187: Oct 28 2010, 10:40 AM
Post by: rafinhalive on October 28, 2010, 05:05:00 AM
Like sieco187 said, the problem has to be the disc ripping.
And after all the talk and guessing, i have one question.
How can M$ detect the custom fw, if the challenge/response and all the features work exactly as the original fw?
Again, maybe the way discs are ripped must be changed ?
well, at least dark november is already on the corner lol. answers soon.
Post by: Zomah on October 28, 2010, 05:39:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 28, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
Now if only C4E or whoever would comment on events...
Post by: Ryushi on October 28, 2010, 07:16:00 AM
This post has been edited by Ryushi: Oct 28 2010, 02:17 PM
Post by: inkdmn on October 28, 2010, 07:25:00 AM
so one thing that has not been discussed very clearly tho it is obvious for most is options"what to do now at the moment" i know for most i am stating the obvious..
but intell more info and test can be done here is the obvious.
either 1. accept the update and stay clear of fable 3(unless retail)and any future releases
2.dont update and lose live and kinect ability & still be able to play all past and future backups(offline)
3.(for those that 1 unmodded on live & 1 modded offline) update your online one but dont ever put your harddrive from your modded console in it..
if anyone can think of any other options please state them...as thats what this really boils down too is what to do..right..
Drive: sammy
Firmware: LT 1.1
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: works fine..online & off
xval..secdata clean
This post has been edited by inkdmn: Oct 28 2010, 03:02 PM
Post by: Zomah on October 28, 2010, 07:28:00 AM
Post by: Takashi on October 28, 2010, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: inkdmn on October 28, 2010, 07:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 28 2010, 09:28 AM)
Why do people who dont have the new dashboard keep posting in here, makes no sense at all.
so what your saying the thousands of people who have yet to update and are looking to this thread from outside this forum..for answers as to where they stand have no rights...
as i see it it is gonna be these people that have yet to update and that are waiting for the official are gonna be the ones bringing the answers..
.as for the ones that forced updated have already figured out they screwed themselves along with fable 3..its too late for them...but umteen thousand people havent and are waiting to see..as also this info is gonna benefit us more than you
This post has been edited by inkdmn: Oct 28 2010, 03:05 PM
Post by: S934T88234L on October 28, 2010, 07:41:00 AM
QUOTE(sieco187 @ Oct 28 2010, 10:19 AM)
*Also on another note I saw this post by p4r0l3
"If you are going to test Fable3 on an online console with the latest dash, do yourself a favor and solder up an lpt/usb flasher and dump your flash before you try.
That way, when your XVal is flagged you can reflash your NAND before taking the console back online.
Better yet, stay away from Fable3 AND the new dashboard updates."
I dont own any jtagable 360's so have never done a Jtag on one. Is it in fact possible to read and dump the NAND on a Jasper with 9199 dash, then should you get banned write the clean NAND dump back and effectively un-ban your console? Will this work on any console and dash version? I ask this because I can not find any concrete evidence of this on any Google searches so sorry if this is a known fact. And last question if it is possible can I use any Jtag tutorial and follow all the steps minus the SMC-JTAG wires?
Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Yes, it is possible to read and dump the NAND on the 9199. And yes, you can follow the JTAG tutorial sans JTAG wires to go about doing it. In theory, it's actually somewhat of a good idea. That said, I'm sure these AP 2.5 checks aren't the only thing Microsoft are doing in their effort to combat piracy so there are probably other factors that could be involved to possibly get you banned/revoked server side. I don't know, and I'm sure most don't. In case anyone else is interested here are a few more possibilities for X Value events.
Console Serial length incorrect!
Console Serial is wrong!
Encrypted X Value length incorrect!
Encrypted X Value is wrong!
Secdata is Clean
Secdata is invalid
Secdata decryption error
Failed AP25 Challenge
Tampered AP25 Table
Reverted AP25 Table
Invalid DVD Geometry
Invalid DVD DMI
DVD Keyvault Pair Mismatch
Invalid CRL Data
CRL Certificate Revoked
Unauthorized Install
Keyvault Policy Violation
Console Banned
ODD Violation
Unknown Violation(s)
This post has been edited by S934T88234L: Oct 28 2010, 02:52 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 28, 2010, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: JaseSX on October 28, 2010, 07:57:00 AM
If update new dash in november = Old games should be fine / New release games fable 3 onwards = no no ( remember this is not certain for any means)
But again best to wait for update and see whos saying what, there is really nothing in concrete as to what will happen but this is what it is looking like.
Although it is all speculation backed with SOME evidence. The real deal is, its that time of year, by far the biggest retail selling period of the year and Microsoft want their share, thats why it happens at this period on the calendar. It would be foolish for microsoft not to take any means, and foolish to think they wont. Fact is its all about the $, its smart to hand out the bans/flag xbox' now when people have money and retail gifts on their mind to greatly maximise profit to its full potential.
This post has been edited by JaseSX: Oct 28 2010, 03:15 PM
Post by: S934T88234L on October 28, 2010, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 28 2010, 02:57 PM)
How the hell did Redline99 (xval2.0 creator) know what the values meant? Insider info?
Redline99 is one intelligent guy. especially when it comes to cryptography.
Post by: sieco187 on February 03, 2020, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Oct 28 2010, 12:39 PM)
Its not only the disc, the firmware also have to emulate the challenge/response times for the AP2.5
I don't know for sure of course but being that people are reporting that they are able to play original retail versions of Fable III and fail to boot the backup seems to imply that the firmware is in fact give the correct challenge response back to the new dash version. C4eva did say that the LT firmware is as close to the OEM firmware that he could get and has known that the SP2.5 checks have been in place for some time now but never used. Of course know one will ever know until those that work on the firmware (C4eva and team jungle) finally comment on the matter. Also thanks to S934T88234L for confirming with me about dumping and flashing the NAND.
Thanks!
This post has been edited by sieco187: Yesterday, 03:39 PM
Post by: audi_a8 on October 28, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
I guess its a bit ot of topic, but the only good thing with this is that scene releases cant be done with the shitty kreon drive anymore as its seems like people are having serious problems with it.
So the future will only bring us 0800 rips, but as suggested it also needs a rewrite to get the AP25 check.
thanx.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on February 03, 2020, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Oct 27 2010, 10:49 PM)
"THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING" (Quote: Henny Penny) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I second that.
Post by: phojitsu on October 28, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
QUOTE
Drive: sammy
Firmware: LT 1.1
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: works fine..online & off
xval..secdata clean
Firmware: LT 1.1
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: works fine..online & off
xval..secdata clean
To my knowledge, there doesn't seem to be many people posting similar scenarios, namely, running fable 3 on 9199 dash. Based on what we know, how safe is this? Is anyone on 9199 getting their console flagged?
Post by: BladeWing on October 28, 2010, 01:21:00 PM
but what are the chances of the entire disc being hashed ? copying/cloning the disc would change this hash, and thus would fail on this new protection.
sorry for any mistakes in typing, lil drunk atm.
Post by: srnelito on October 28, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
Im going to leave here my experience with this "New Protections".
I have two xbox360. My - 1º is a ms28 (sammy) with Ixtreme 1.6 and my (RROD fixed)
- 2º is a Xbox 360 Elite Lite-On 83850C with LT 1.0 dash 2.0.9199.0 (currently)
Im having problems runing the latest games Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 , starwars 2 and Fable 3, because my elite cant read the discs it simply can't (it dosent says unreadable it dosent report any error but they dont run). I can play every other games that i have.
Then i try the same discs in my sammy xbox and all games started well and worked fine. So the problem isnt the discs but the Firmware.
I dont play online (im silver member for about 4 years now lol), the last time i went online was about 6 months.
All my games are ALWAYS abgx checked and SS2.
My opinion is that we need a new hacked Firmware
Post by: loggio on February 03, 2020, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(srnelito @ Oct 28 2010, 08:22 PM)
Hi every one.
Im going to leave here my experience with this "New Protections".
I have two xbox360. My - 1º is a ms28 (sammy) with Ixtreme 1.6 and my (RROD fixed)
- 2º is a Xbox 360 Elite Lite-On 83850C with LT 1.0 dash 2.0.9199.0 (currently)
Im having problems runing the latest games Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 , starwars 2 and Fable 3, because my elite cant read the discs it simply can't (it dosent says unreadable it dosent report any error but they dont run). I can play every other games that i have.
Then i try the same discs in my sammy xbox and all games started well and worked fine. So the problem isnt the discs but the Firmware.
I dont play online (im silver member for about 4 years now lol), the last time i went online was about 6 months.
All my games are ALWAYS abgx checked and SS2.
My opinion is that we need a new hacked Firmware
Well upgrade the liteon to the latest lt firmware and see what happens. I hear reports of lt1 not reading a lot of games.
Post by: BorisX on February 03, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(loggio @ Oct 28 2010, 08:44 PM)
Well upgrade the liteon to the latest lt firmware and see what happens. I hear reports of lt1 not reading a lot of games.
My BenQ LT 1.1 that I literally just flashed last night reads Fable III fine, I am on the current dashboard available and not on the new beta.. so fyi
Post by: Toddler on February 03, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 28 2010, 02:21 PM)
just a question, becuase at this point it can be anything....
but what are the chances of the entire disc being hashed ? copying/cloning the disc would change this hash, and thus would fail on this new protection.
sorry for any mistakes in typing, lil drunk atm.
When you sober up, think about how long it would take the 360 to calculate the hash value of the entire disc. It would require reading the entire disc contents every time you insert a disc in the drive, which only makes sense when you're a lil drunk.
Post by: BladeWing on February 03, 2020, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 28 2010, 10:14 PM)
When you sober up, think about how long it would take the 360 to calculate the hash value of the entire disc. It would require reading the entire disc contents every time you insert a disc in the drive, which only makes sense when you're a lil drunk.
Actually, thank you,i was hopinh for someone to debunk that theory. it did not make sense, but hey, its up in the air right now, anything is possible.
and yes, you are right ty.
Post by: herokillernl on February 03, 2020, 06:37:00 PM
i tryed to play a not original copy of fable 3 on 2 of my xboxes,
1st xbox
Drive: liteOn << dont know wich 1
Firmware: LT 1.0
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: Not working, boots then immediatly after it turns black my screen i get error it cant read disc, burned 2 different discs same problems
Xval result: Sec data is clean.
even after trying to boot fable 3 it stays clean!!! also when i look at myxbox tab and look at the game there, it doesnt shows up, it just says play game, so no picture of fable 3 whatever either.
2nd xbox(already banned for a year)
Drive: Liteon
Firmware: ixtr 1.5, using activication disc
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: Not working
Xval result: console banned
what i find weird is that for so many ppl that tryed fable 3 here that most of those with dashboard 9199 can play fable 3, but i cant? but unlike the newer dashboards, my secdata stays clean???? so this is weird to me.
hope this info helps a bit
This post has been edited by herokillernl: Today, 03:06 AM
Post by: Evi1d33d on February 03, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
QUOTE(herokillernl @ Oct 29 2010, 02:37 AM)
1st xbox
Drive: liteOn << dont know wich 1
Firmware: LT 1.0
JTAG : No
Slim : No
Dashboard: 2.0.9199.0
Officially in beta: no
Fable 3 working: Not working, boots then immediatly after it turns black my screen i get error it cant read disc, burned 2 different discs same problems
Xval result: Sec data is clean.
even after trying to boot fable 3 it stays clean!!! also when i look at myxbox tab and look at the game there, it doesnt shows up, it just says play game, so no picture of fable 3 whatever either.
Have you tried running the burnt disc through abgx to make sure it's burnt properly? And have you tried to install the game onto the HDD?
Post by: S934T88234L on February 03, 2020, 06:57:00 PM
QUOTE(BladeWing @ Oct 28 2010, 08:21 PM)
just a question, becuase at this point it can be anything....
but what are the chances of the entire disc being hashed ? copying/cloning the disc would change this hash, and thus would fail on this new protection.
sorry for any mistakes in typing, lil drunk atm.
This is why X-S forums are a running joke on XBH.
Post by: herokillernl on February 03, 2020, 07:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Oct 29 2010, 02:54 AM)
Have you tried running the burnt disc through abgx to make sure it's burnt properly? And have you tried to install the game onto the HDD?
the game is burned perfectly fine yes, and i have no option to install it to hdd cous it the game doesnt shows up, it only gives me play game, nothing else. then i can do x to eject or a to start it, and if i start it it does boots till black screen then it gets the disc read error, both discs i burned do that at the exact same time
Post by: JaseSX on February 03, 2020, 07:07:00 PM
Why do people keep posting if they have the current dash and not the latest beta dash??? the problem is with the latest beta dash and the new release title disc. The disc and the dash need to emulate ap2.5.
If you have original fable 3 or you have backed up your original (not downloaded copy) Current dash is fine it will do nothing.
The only problem with the current dash is if you pirated it off the net in which in some cases does have problems, and is bound to happen anyway... its a pirated pre-release on the net. This shouldnt be turning into a tutorial on how to get it to work.
What would be good to know is if any older games with the new beta dash are bringing up "ap25 challenged failed" ( not already flagged) so we can find out if its safe to update or not, and stay away from new releases untill further news.
This post has been edited by JaseSX: Today, 03:25 AM
Post by: Aldanga on October 30, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Oct 30 2010, 01:22 PM)
Does the $systemupdate file get transferred along with the gamer profile? i assume it is not a part of the gamer profile. So unless i put the $system profile on the usb stick it should not update by moving the gamer profile across consoles is that correct?
The $systemupdate folder has in the past been stored on HDDs, so if you transfer a HDD from one console to another it will update an older dash. The same can be done with USB sticks--that is, if it's not already done.
However, as long as it is not on the USB stick the console will not ask you to update the dashboard.
Post by: bodybag on October 30, 2010, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: clerick on October 30, 2010, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: Ankoholik on October 30, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: caperjoe on October 30, 2010, 04:57:00 PM
If anyone else has any info to throw at me regarding the situation I'd love to hear it. Again i have a BANNED xbox (liteon with LT). I don't care about online gaming, but i did want to purchase Kinect for my kids. What sort of hoops am i gonna have to jump through to be able to get the kinect update and play some kinect games and backups?
Post by: Haygar on October 30, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Oct 31 2010, 05:12 AM)
if you were in that #fw chat a few days ago people were outright laughting at people for bringing up ssv3, some even got kicked from the room
humanity these days...if you try to bring up questions you get called paranoid or conspiracy theorist or just mocked...
science is supposed to involve questioning, inquiring, testing not outright discrediting it and laughing at the questions even how silly they might sound at the time could be real in the future
[c4eva] New AP25 checks confirmed on new dash with fable 3, LT+ coming for required drives with SSv3 and anti AP25 included!
[c4eva] there are 5 ap25 checks done when xex is launched!
[c4eva] samsung doesnt have ap25
[c4eva] 360s LT+ will include this now
[c4eva] samsung and some old hitachi dont have ap25
[c4eva] samsung wont do ap25, it will be skipped (safe)
[c4eva] they will detect your drive changing to a samsung! [if you spoof to Samsung]
[c4eva] confirmation will need to be done on released retail kinect dash!
[c4eva] at this point, only new games check ap25!
[c4eva] kreon=fail!
I agree, I said earlier that the sky was falling. I remember hearing about a bloke that got into some trouble suggesting that the world was round and not infact flat.
which was the style at the time.
Post by: cragnut on October 31, 2010, 03:44:00 AM
Intially had a sammy with No stealth 1.6 firmware, and the latest beta dash: 2.0.1.2609.0 with avatars.
Fable 3 gave unreadable disk error.
Flashed to samsung LT 1.0, Fable 3 still gives unreadable disk error.
Fable 3 backup ripped with 0800 drive and confirms SSV2 with abgx.
So either new ripped required with SSV3, or once the console has been flagged its game over for online or offline play?
This post has been edited by cragnut: Oct 31 2010, 10:45 AM
Post by: Turkishflavor on October 31, 2010, 05:28:00 AM
typical americunts...
Post by: Shadowhunta on October 31, 2010, 05:51:00 AM
Can the new checks get us banned/flagged or are they simply to stop us booting backups?
Glad to see c4eva is keeping on top f things and trying to sort this out
Post by: bcham on October 31, 2010, 06:29:00 AM
QUOTE(caperjoe @ Oct 30 2010, 11:57 PM)
I'm new here so I don't really know the situation with moh.sakhaii. But he was the only one to actually answer my question so i'm not sure what to believe now..lol
If anyone else has any info to throw at me regarding the situation I'd love to hear it. Again i have a BANNED xbox (liteon with LT). I don't care about online gaming, but i did want to purchase Kinect for my kids. What sort of hoops am i gonna have to jump through to be able to get the kinect update and play some kinect games and backups?
i have a banned console,i only play games offline so im not bothered about online.,but would like to know if i buy a kinect for my son.will it work with my flashed xbox360.i dont want to spend £130 on a kinect and find out it wont work.
Post by: champ2131 on October 31, 2010, 07:58:00 AM
QUOTE(bcham @ Oct 31 2010, 06:29 AM)
i have a banned console,i only play games offline so im not bothered about online.,but would like to know if i buy a kinect for my son.will it work with my flashed xbox360.i dont want to spend £130 on a kinect and find out it wont work.
It will work, you will have to install the new dash though, meaning and future games will most likely not work until new firmware is released.
Post by: H_AVOK on October 31, 2010, 09:56:00 AM
Hasbro Family Game Night 3 READNFO WAVE 7 USA RF-XBOX360-RRoD
as you can see is wave 7 and has the new dash in game (the final) not beta i applied the update as is mandatory from now on i have benQ drive iX 1.6 i tried two methods firs with activation disc then i patched the game to wave 3 with wave patcher.
THE GAME WORKS PERFECT ,no dirty error disc no shit i don't use live ever, so again the new wave game with the new dash works perfect,
p.s this is not for people who plan on going on live!!
This post has been edited by H_AVOK: Oct 31 2010, 05:00 PM
Post by: smornor on October 31, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
QUOTE(H_AVOK @ Oct 31 2010, 04:56 PM)
ok dudes i just want to inform you i just downloaded and burnt this
Hasbro Family Game Night 3 READNFO WAVE 7 USA RF-XBOX360-RRoD
as you can see is wave 7 and has the new dash in game (the final) not beta i applied the update as is mandatory from now on i have benQ drive iX 1.6 i tried two methods firs with activation disc then i patched the game to wave 3 with wave patcher.
THE GAME WORKS PERFECT ,no dirty error disc no shit i don't use live ever, so again the new wave game with the new dash works perfect,
p.s this is not for people who plan on going on live!!
It's not the latest dash update, it's 9199 dashboard update.
Post by: C.Troy on October 31, 2010, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: H_AVOK on October 31, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Oct 31 2010, 05:46 PM)
I've played Blood Stone and new DBZ game and they all work with the latest dash update beta. People keep saying future games won't work with the new dash but at the moment it's only Fable 3. Not only that but games after Fable 3 seem to be working fine with the latest beta dash. Will be interesting to see if a game like Black Ops also has no problems. Then the question remains......if this is AP25 why not put it in games like Black Ops? why is it only happening with Fable 3?
LOL it's just mass panic people tend to exaggerate,all new games will work fine with the new dash it was only fable 3 with the pirated beta dash what was making problem and not to mention not everyone have problem playing
This post has been edited by H_AVOK: Oct 31 2010, 06:05 PM
Post by: pudink on October 31, 2010, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE(H_AVOK @ Oct 31 2010, 11:25 PM)
what?LOL then why the fuck did my console update lol never mind if this is not the latest dash then we will see in next 2-3 days the word is black ops will be uploaded for grabs so i am sure it will have the newest dash ingame
sorry but you were dumb to believe that it was the latest update,cuz in your case nothing has changed(the looks of the dashboard the design and everything stays the same yet you say that it has the latest dashboard update in it)
Well who knows what dashboard update is in the hasbro family game night 3?
Is there any possibility at all to include ap 2.5 software in this update?
Post by: skat137321 on October 31, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on October 31, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
How would this affect those who run the two console method, online with the new dash and offline on 9199 with Liteon LT?
Is it pheasable that eventually MS could add in something to the profiles making them unusable in older 9199s?
Or would that be too far for them to go, as far as crippling use of a profile on a completely offline system if its already been online on the new dash?
I ask because there are many legit reasons one would want to stay with a particular dash on a system that is offline and shouldn't be forced to use features that they have no use for or don't like.
I know currently its the beta dash on a modded box that's causing problems but has anyone tried it the other way round?
Thanks for your time, always enjoy a good read
Post by: Toddler on October 31, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(IAmTheDude360 @ Oct 31 2010, 09:45 PM)
I ask because there are many legit reasons one would want to stay with a particular dash on a system that is offline and shouldn't be forced to use features that they have no use for or don't like.
Such as? I really can't think of any legit reasons.
Post by: Turkishflavor on October 31, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE
Note: This rip is SSv1 so use at your own risk. Also there is a dash update on 01/11/10 so
modded fw would be wise to not update and stay offline until LT+ is available.
http://i51.tinypic.com/fbdyci.png for abgx info.
modded fw would be wise to not update and stay offline until LT+ is available.
http://i51.tinypic.com/fbdyci.png for abgx info.
Post by: H_AVOK on November 01, 2010, 12:31:00 AM
Post by: C.Troy on November 01, 2010, 03:42:00 AM
I tried Hasbro Game Night AND Black Ops and they work fine with the latest dash. No patching waves or anything. So the 64,000$ question is if AP 25 is real then why not implement it into the biggest game of the year? Fable 3 continues to be the ONLY game that doesn't play nice.
Post by: H_AVOK on November 01, 2010, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Nov 1 2010, 10:42 AM)
So the new dashboard is up for everyone. If you are in the beta already it looks like 2.0.12611.0 is actually the final dash. If you have the latest version it will simply ask you to accept a user agreement and no update is required.
I tried Hasbro Game Night AND Black Ops and they work fine with the latest dash. No patching waves or anything. So the 64,000$ question is if AP 25 is real then why not implement it into the biggest game of the year? Fable 3 continues to be the ONLY game that doesn't play nice.
My guess is maybe there were some bugs in the beta dash ,that why is called beta unfinished product or maybe only microsoft games have that AP 2.5 check
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on November 01, 2010, 04:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 1 2010, 06:25 AM)
Such as? I really can't think of any legit reasons.
I have several friends who are happy with the blades, dont know why, they just do and dont like NXE. Granted they arent as big gamers as some but still. I suppose 'many' was too strong a word for it lol
Id be a lot happier if I could just turn stuff off, avatars, channels etc and just have the disc channel and memory channel. Some of us still see the 360 as a games console and not a media device.
Im a achievement whore but thats just for me, not bothered about anybody else seeing them apart from a few close friends. If you had the option of using the guide as the main dash that would suit me just fine
Personal preference I guess?
Be nice to see how things turn out now with the dash going out fully, my legit beta console rrod a week after it started so havnt had a chance to play with the profiles yet.
Post by: Redsquirrel on November 01, 2010, 04:29:00 AM
Post by: pudink on November 01, 2010, 04:31:00 AM
QUOTE(H_AVOK @ Nov 1 2010, 08:31 AM)
well black ops works fine with the new dash i patched the game t wave 3 and no problems at all ,i only play offline so this means that the new dash is ok for offline players and all games will work fine by my opinion
I can not understand what dash you are on,yesterday you posted here without any idea of which dash you were using
Yesterday you claimed to have updated your console with the update from the hasbro family game night 3 game and you claimed to have the latest beta dash
But then someone else said it was an update for 9199,and guess what you confirmed that too...
SO the question is do you even know what a dashboard is,and how a new dashboard looks like.
My answer would be ''NO you dont''
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 04:45:00 AM
I have played fable 3 on my modded console with the last dash, but my slim that i use for online has just been updated to latest dash. Is it safe to continue using a USB stick to transfer my gamer tag between the two consoles?
Post by: Redsquirrel on November 01, 2010, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Nov 1 2010, 12:45 PM)
Is it safe to transfer my Gamer Profile between a unmodded console with New Kinect Dash and Modded console with NXE dash (the one before Kinect update)?
I have played fable 3 on my modded console with the last dash, but my slim that i use for online has just been updated to latest dash. Is it safe to continue using a USB stick to transfer my gamer tag between the two consoles?
AFAIK, thats fine. DO NOT update your modded console to the latest kinect dashboard. Thats the only "safe" way to keep using your profile between consoles without it getting currupted.
Also, it does seem the hasbro collection is 9199 dashboard and NOT kinect dashboard. This is good for people still on 8955 who have not updated their dashboard by other means yet.
Post by: Redsquirrel on November 01, 2010, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Nov 1 2010, 12:45 PM)
Is it safe to transfer my Gamer Profile between a unmodded console with New Kinect Dash and Modded console with NXE dash (the one before Kinect update)?
I have played fable 3 on my modded console with the last dash, but my slim that i use for online has just been updated to latest dash. Is it safe to continue using a USB stick to transfer my gamer tag between the two consoles?
AFAIK, thats fine. DO NOT update your modded console to the latest kinect dashboard. Thats the only "safe" way to keep using your profile between consoles without it getting currupted.
Also, it does seem the hasbro collection is 9199 dashboard and NOT kinect dashboard. This is good for people still on 8955 who have not updated their dashboard by other means yet.
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Redsquirrel @ Nov 1 2010, 11:50 AM)
AFAIK, thats fine. DO NOT update your modded console to the latest kinect dashboard. Thats the only "safe" way to keep using your profile between consoles without it getting currupted.
Also, it does seem the hasbro collection is 9199 dashboard and NOT kinect dashboard. This is good for people still on 8955 who have not updated their dashboard by other means yet.
Thank you for the advice. I wont update the modded console to the new dash until LT+.
I was just worried that the gamer profile might contain something if transferred between new dash and the last one that would corrupt gamer tag.
Post by: rafinhalive on November 01, 2010, 05:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Redsquirrel @ Nov 1 2010, 09:06 AM)
thats pretty crazy playing online as COD is ssv1 at the mo.
yeah, but not playing multiplayer, just playing single player connected.
it´s a refurbished shit jasper, if i get banned no problemo,just for tests, i have others
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 05:16:00 AM
QUOTE(C.Troy @ Nov 1 2010, 12:14 PM)
pretty much the same for me. add family game night (wave 7) for me as well.
I take it Fable 3 is not working with the final version of Kinect dash?
Post by: C.Troy on November 01, 2010, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: loggio on November 01, 2010, 05:40:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=723021
please keep the posts clean and informative.
This will be easier for people to follow i figured.
thanks for the heads up rafinhalive
Thanks.
happy gaming
*edit - link updated (My bad)
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 06:09:00 AM
Then moved my gamer profile and even the game saves from Fable 3 onto a USB stick and plugged that into my unmoded Xbox Slim and and playing original games online with no problems.
So transferring profiles between online and offline consoles is fine BUT NOTE THIS IS FOR modded consoles with the older dash.
It does NOT corrupt your gamertag.
Post by: siyrobbo on November 01, 2010, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE(rafinhalive @ Nov 1 2010, 01:09 PM)
yeah, but not playing multiplayer, just playing single player connected.
it´s a refurbished shit jasper, if i get banned no problemo,just for tests, i have others
why didn't you rip it with ssv2?
Post by: Gavster on November 01, 2010, 09:20:00 AM
C4E posted some updates about the Xbox360 fall2010 dashboard security on #FW@EFnet:
[c4eva] ap2.5 already defeated, backup fable 3 running fine on beta dash! more data required for analysis!
[**] C4 are you planning on releasing the new LT+ for the old consoles? ie. not slim?
[c4eva] **:yes
[***] c4eva, is it confirmed that current FW and older games will be safe in the new dash?
[c4eva] ***:unknown at present!
[c4eva] dash out?
[c4eva] version please?
[c4eva] so it begins,dash version please?
[****] c4 2.0.12611.0
[c4eva] very good, thx, same version im already working with!
[*****] C4 are you still working on hitas? Will they eventually be released =)?
[c4eva] *****:was working on it , not for a while now!
[*******] c4eva so there will be a LT+ for lite-on and benq drives
[c4eva] yes
[c4eva] ok, have logged the update process, analysing!
[c4eva] logged entire update process, no vendor packets, only standard inquiry and key exchange, so update process safe!
[c4eva] fable 3 not safe! ap2.5 active for that title with new dash!
[c4eva] as soon as we have enough data on ap25 then there will be something
[c4eva] testing more game titles soon for ap25!
Post by: pudink on November 01, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
can I play on 9199?
thanks
Post by: bucky006 on November 01, 2010, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(pudink @ Nov 1 2010, 04:47 PM)
is black ops update mandatory?
can I play on 9199?
thanks
Black Ops is 9199, not the kinect update.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: bucky006 on November 01, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:34 PM)
hi guys,does anyone know when the new LT+ will come out?i heard rumors saying that's its going to come out november the 6,but i just wanted to know if someone could answer my question..thanks
Give up mate, it'll be released when its ready.
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:34 PM)
hi guys,does anyone know when the new LT+ will come out?i heard rumors saying that's its going to come out november the 6,but i just wanted to know if someone could answer my question..thanks
I highly doubt it will be out on the 6th of november considering they confirmed they need to gather more data from more games. Also last time with LiteTouch firmware once it was done it was then in testing for a weeks before release. Personally im expecting it around Xmas time at the earliest.
Post by: airjordan22 on November 01, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: karishbhr on November 01, 2010, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(airjordan22 @ Nov 1 2010, 08:24 PM)
guys i have a question...will i be "flagging" myself if i update to the new dashboard update and also if i play only RETAIL GAMES(original)..will i be putting myself in a risk of getting banned?can someone please answer this for me..thanks
^^^^^^^This is what I need to know so I can decide whether I should buy kinect yet or not
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on November 01, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Nov 1 2010, 01:09 PM)
Ok i played fable 3 on my modded 360 with old dash, got a few achievements.
Then moved my gamer profile and even the game saves from Fable 3 onto a USB stick and plugged that into my unmoded Xbox Slim and and playing original games online with no problems.
So transferring profiles between online and offline consoles is fine BUT NOTE THIS IS FOR modded consoles with the older dash.
It does NOT corrupt your gamertag.
Thats good news then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Going back to my original question, whats the likelihood of them eventually adding changes to the profile that will prevent it from working on 9199 and lower?
Post by: vegasmtv on November 01, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
QUOTE(IAmTheDude360 @ Nov 1 2010, 10:46 PM)
Thats good news then
Going back to my original question, whats the likelihood of them eventually adding changes to the profile that will prevent it from working on 9199 and lower?
I dont think it will be done right away if ever, i dont see them implementing it as i can still use my gamer tag on my friends 360 which has the OLDDDD dash. I dont see ANOTHER update coming out right away anyway.
IF they do it hopefully LT+ will be out by then to make it not an issue.
I dont think they will put system updates in the gamertag profile folder. Right now my gamer tag is still 15mg when transferring.
(I plugged into my modded 360 with the older dash, played a few games including Fable 3, saved, then moved the usb stick back to my 360 Slim unmodded, done this 5-6 times now today and no corrupt game saves or gamer tag.)
Post by: IAmTheDude360 on February 03, 2020, 08:13:00 AM
Im thinking if they did it would be moving into the realm of crippling the same as they did with installing games to the HDD in the last ban wave. And we know how that turned out lol
Post by: jfox99 on November 02, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
QUOTE(vegasmtv @ Nov 1 2010, 06:09 AM)
Ok i played fable 3 on my modded 360 with old dash, got a few achievements.
Then moved my gamer profile and even the game saves from Fable 3 onto a USB stick and plugged that into my unmoded Xbox Slim and and playing original games online with no problems.
So transferring profiles between online and offline consoles is fine BUT NOTE THIS IS FOR modded consoles with the older dash.
It does NOT corrupt your gamertag.
Thanks, this is exactly what I was wondering.
Post by: SousaPT on February 03, 2020, 04:40:00 PM
Thanks!
Post by: airjordan22 on November 04, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: MadBoxer on November 05, 2010, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(caperjoe @ Oct 30 2010, 03:57 PM)
I'm new here so I don't really know the situation with moh.sakhaii. But he was the only one to actually answer my question so i'm not sure what to believe now..lol
If anyone else has any info to throw at me regarding the situation I'd love to hear it. Again i have a BANNED xbox (liteon with LT). I don't care about online gaming, but i did want to purchase Kinect for my kids. What sort of hoops am i gonna have to jump through to be able to get the kinect update and play some kinect games and backups?
I would take what moh.sakhaii says with a grain of salt. He is mainly flaming and doesn't have much evidence to prove his statements. If he is giving advice to people I would hate to see someone believing misleading information.
I can't imagine MS would ever prevent someone from playing games on a banned box as long as it is an original. With that said, since the point of a new LT fw is to spoof the ap2.5, making the xbox think it is an original, then if LT+ is released, it should play the backups again. One thing is for sure, you will not be able to play kinect based backups on the new dash with a moded liteon DVD until a new FW is released that supports ap2.5. So at this point your best bet is to hold off on updating and buying kinect until the new LT+ comes out.
-MadBoxer
Post by: MadBoxer on November 05, 2010, 04:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Anyone @ Nov 5 2010, 03:02 AM)
I am new on this forum, I have a few questions regarding AP 2.5 protection. I have read everything written about AP 2.5 protection of the new game, but we have not found the answer to my problems.
I have a xbox 360 with 1.4 FW (I know I have to update) with samsung DVD drive (lite-on replaced) , I use a wave patcher to patch my games to wave 2, using old dashboard, newer play online.
1. Can I play a new games (Fable 3, COD: BO) with old dashboard, using wave patcher without moving to a new dashboard?
2. If i update to the new dashboard will it disable playing old games on the existing FW?
3.I read that the Samsung drive is not recognized by AP 2.5 protection. So I have a samsung dvd drive (replaced lite-on) I'm I sure from activation AP 2,5 protection if I update to new dashboard?
I know these are stupid questions, but please someone responds
1. Yes, as long as the game doesn't require the new dash to run (IE: kinect only games). Fable III is fine on 9199 (I've tested it). Black ops should also work on the 9199 dash.
2. In theory this should work offline, however it would most likely flag you for ban since the games are wave patched (not stealth). I'm not positive since I don't want to risk testing this. I would recommend not updating dash until LT+ is out. Can someone verify if their xval is clean when using older FW and playing older games that are wave patched on new dash?
3. If I'm reading this right, the box came with a lite-on and you replaced it with a sammy? This will defiantly flag your box for ban if you update dash and play fable III. The new dash knows it should be a lite-on in the box. The Samsungs are only immune to ap2.5 if the box originally came with a sammy drive. Spoofing to a sammy doesn't work!!
Post by: cedarpoint2 on November 05, 2010, 06:14:00 AM
Would firstly like to say thanks to all that are working so hard so try and get the AP.2.5 issue resolved.
Probably a total noob question, but I have looked about all over the place and have been unable to find an answer.
When a console gets flagged for a ban by MS, is it the actual 'console' that gets flagged, as in on the motherboard, or is the ban information applied to the HDD.
Reason I ask is that I have 2 360's, one that is modded and has never been online (and never will) and my online 360 that has not been modified or touched in any way that I really only use for arcade games (which I have purchased over 100 of !).
I swap my HDD from the online and offline console, so if the offline console does get flagged for a ban, I don't really care as it will never be connected to live to activate (if the ban is applied to the console itself). If however the ban is on the HDD, will this mean my online (unmodified) console will get banned.
Have not updated to the newest dash (and have no intention of doing so until all has been resolved), but I am just curious if anyone knows how the flagging actually works.
Thanks
Post by: dnwhome3 on November 05, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Oct 27 2010, 11:33 AM)
That is the next thing that we could do with testing. It's too late for me, as my console is already flagged, but if someone who hasn't booted a backup of Fable 3 on a flashed console with the Kinect dashboard installed could try booting other backups and checking to see if their console is flagged, that would at least let people know whether the Fable 3 backup is the "trigger" for this or not.
I had no issues with my console before I tried playing Fable 3, but then I also did a couple of dashboard updates around the same time, so I'm not in a position to give reliable evidence in this case as I couldn't say for sure if it was Fable or a dashboard update that caused this.
i have xbox with modded disc drive but yeah the newer game for medal of honor work cause it brings up an error backup fable is a trigger i think
Post by: Syn201 on November 05, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(dnwhome3 @ Nov 5 2010, 08:32 PM)
i have xbox with modded disc drive but yeah the newer game for medal of honor work cause it brings up an error backup fable is a trigger i think
Moh was out ages ago unless you mean a update I don't know I hate that joke of a game ..
Post by: MadBoxer on November 06, 2010, 01:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Anyone @ Nov 5 2010, 04:30 AM)
Thanks man that was fast. Another dumb question, it is known whether the newer games like NFS: HP, AC: Brotherhood will require the new dashboard update or it will be possible to play new games on the old dashboard as COD: BO 3 and Fable 3 playing now
Thanks.
There is no guarantee if things may change in the future, but Ive never ran into a game that wouldnt play on older dash versions as long as you patch them to remove the $systemupdate folders. Im assuming the main reason MS started including the updates on the new wave games is to attack piracy, eliminate jtag exploits, etc. Before that, any game could play on any dash and I dont see why things would change for normal non-kinect games. The main problem is if you want buy a kinect device, then your dash needs to be updated for the xbox to work with the device.
Post by: MadBoxer on November 06, 2010, 01:53:00 AM
QUOTE(cedarpoint2 @ Nov 5 2010, 05:14 AM)
Hi all.
Would firstly like to say thanks to all that are working so hard so try and get the AP.2.5 issue resolved.
Probably a total noob question, but I have looked about all over the place and have been unable to find an answer.
When a console gets flagged for a ban by MS, is it the actual 'console' that gets flagged, as in on the motherboard, or is the ban information applied to the HDD.
Reason I ask is that I have 2 360's, one that is modded and has never been online (and never will) and my online 360 that has not been modified or touched in any way that I really only use for arcade games (which I have purchased over 100 of !).
I swap my HDD from the online and offline console, so if the offline console does get flagged for a ban, I don't really care as it will never be connected to live to activate (if the ban is applied to the console itself). If however the ban is on the HDD, will this mean my online (unmodified) console will get banned.
Have not updated to the newest dash (and have no intention of doing so until all has been resolved), but I am just curious if anyone knows how the flagging actually works.
Thanks
As of update 2.0.9199 and earlier when a console is flagged for ban offline, the NAND is flagged (not the HDD). If you don't know what a NAND is, google "Xbox 360 NAND". Once flagged, if you ever go online with that box, xbox live will ban and cripple it, causing your gamer profile to become corrupt if moved from that box and not allow you to save games to the HDD.
As of the new Kinect update, welcome to DASH BANS!!! If your box is flagged for a ban, you no longer have to log online to get your box banned and crippled, even offline your box will be instantly banned from Xbox Live and crippled as mentioned above.
If you use the same HDD on both boxes, once you update the Non-mod box to the new Kinect dash, the system update folder will be stored on your hdd and it will attempt to update your modified box to the new dash the next time you use it. If you update it and it is flagged, it will be banned (even if offline) and you will no longer be able to transfer your profile from your modded one to your non-modded one. No more profile sharing between boxes!
Conclusions,
Option 1: Get another HDD or memory card for the second box and dont share memory, then you can safely update the non-modified box to new kinect dash. Now you can play safely between the both consoles.
Option 2: Replace the $systemupdate folder with an older version (Via connectivity kit and PC) each time you play on the modified (Ban Flagged) box.
Post by: Schweino on November 06, 2010, 03:13:00 AM
This post has been edited by Schweino: Nov 6 2010, 10:21 AM
Post by: cedarpoint2 on November 06, 2010, 04:28:00 AM
QUOTE(MadBoxer @ Nov 6 2010, 07:53 AM)
As of update 2.0.9199 and earlier when a console is flagged for ban offline, the NAND is flagged (not the HDD). If you don't know what a NAND is, google "Xbox 360 NAND". Once flagged, if you ever go online with that box, xbox live will ban and cripple it, causing your gamer profile to become corrupt if moved from that box and not allow you to save games to the HDD.
As of the new Kinect update, welcome to DASH BANS!!! If your box is flagged for a ban, you no longer have to log online to get your box banned and crippled, even offline your box will be instantly banned from Xbox Live and crippled as mentioned above.
If you use the same HDD on both boxes, once you update the Non-mod box to the new Kinect dash, the system update folder will be stored on your hdd and it will attempt to update your modified box to the new dash the next time you use it. If you update it and it is flagged, it will be banned (even if offline) and you will no longer be able to transfer your profile from your modded one to your non-modded one. No more profile sharing between boxes!
Conclusions,
Option 1: Get another HDD or memory card for the second box and dont share memory, then you can safely update the non-modified box to new kinect dash. Now you can play safely between the both consoles.
Option 2: Replace the $systemupdate folder with an older version (Via connectivity kit and PC) each time you play on the modified (Ban Flagged) box.
Thank you
That is what I needed to know. Will get another HDD, download my profile again from live, and just start again on my non modded console Will then update my modded when its safe to do so Post by: MadBoxer on November 06, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Schweino @ Nov 6 2010, 02:13 AM)
How will this affect JTAGed 360s by the way? Will a JTAGed 360 be flagged when playing a AP2.5 game from hdd for instance? And if so, can this be prevented by removing the systemupdate folder?
On the older dash 2.0.9199 or below, the ap2.5 will not be flagged on either a jtag or dvd firware modded box. I'm curious what would happen if a XBR update is made with the new Kinect dash? Since the new dash is smart enough to ban without being connected to live, I'm assuming it would be smart enough to detect a jtagged box. Someone will most likely have to remove the banning features from the dash before updating a jtag with the kinect dashboard.
Post by: cedarpoint2 on November 14, 2010, 02:40:00 AM
Am also going to buy Assassins Creed Brotherhood when it comes out next friday (am a big fan), but will be unable to play that as well if what I have been reading on other forums is true, that the game has the dash update on the disc Hopefully a fix or new firmware will come out soon For the little use my modded console actually gets, I am starting to wonder if it is really worth the hassle. The kids would miss it if we didn't have it though. There is no way I would ever let them loose with original game disks! They destroy discs on a weekly basis by either scratching them or getting them covered in Jam, sticky sweets etc
Post by: py3m4n on November 15, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
On November the 3th you said this:
"If you use the same HDD on both boxes, once you update the Non-mod box to the new Kinect dash, the system update folder will be stored on your hdd and it will attempt to update your modified box to the new dash the next time you use it. If you update it and it is flagged, it will be banned (even if offline) and you will no longer be able to transfer your profile from your modded one to your non-modded one. No more profile sharing between boxes!"
Couple of Questions...
1. Are you saying the HDD will now store a system update folder and try to force you to update any other boxes that you plug it into with an earlier dash to the latest dash? For example, the Kinect dash?
2. My thinking was that the HDD does not contain a system update folder or any folders of that type. The only way that a 360 dash could be updated was by a game disc/demo disc with latest dash on it, an internet connection, or downloading it with a PC and installing it with a flashdrive etc.
Here's what I am trying to understand. For those of use who run two consoles and switch our HDD/profile between them (one console modded on an older dash, offline. One console unmodded, new dash, online) Using a DVD drive that will do the AP2.5 check (Benq, Lite-on etc.) with the likes of Fable 3. My only concern was that the back up of the game would not run on the modded console because I was not prepared to update the dash when it asks. (which if I did would then cause my modded console to be flagged when it tried to boot the game). So would wait on a work around like replacing the system update folder with an older one inside the ISO for use on the modded console. and using the original on the unmodded console. With what you are saying it would mean someone in my position would need to find a fix for the system update on the disc. (1 time fix) then every time I remove my HDD from my unmodded box I would need to wire it up to the PC and replace the system update folder that is there now, is this right.
(I have not been keeping up to date with everything that's going on recently and I might be confusing stuff that already has answers, but I have been doing a fair bit of reading on the forums and can't put all the pieces together.)
Any chance you could give me as concise an answer as you did the other day with Madboxer.
Cheers!
Post by: Dark Melfice on November 16, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
After that i started reading about the new AP2.5 but theres one thing i dont know. I dont have the kinect dashboard, can i run the games patched for wave3(i have a lite-on with 1.51 or 1.6 dont really remember)? Or all the new games force me to install the new dashboard?
Thanks in advance