Post by: Xbox-Scene on April 22, 2010, 08:55:00 AM
Team Jungle: 'Samsung iXtreme LT on the way' and Key Vertification Routines Posted by XanTium | April 22 10:55 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| Team Jungle posted an update on their twitter page: Quote
More details about the key vertification routines was posted on their forums: Quote
Official Site: http://www.jungleflasher.net | http://twitter.com/TeamJungle |
Post by: some11 on April 22, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
What does this mean to me?!
Post by: Mcegan on April 22, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(some11 @ Apr 22 2010, 10:26 AM) 
Sorry for being a n00b. but I dont get it.
What does this mean to me?!
If you have noticed, everytime you get a key from a drive, JF says "Storing key in DB" or something like that. I think it's a separate file either in your app data or in the JF directory on your computer.
But anyway, it sounds like this is 2 fold.
First (for lite-ons at least), they talk about verifying the key against the bar code. So that means that there's no longer any guessing about whether or not you get the right key before erasing the drive. You don't have to pull out an old drive, put it on there, and test to make sure that you really do have the right key. It will just say "This key matches this drive" or something like that.
The other thing it sounds like is...imagine you have lost the original files created when you dump the key (The OFW or the lite on dummy dumps). Even though you have lost the files, you should still have the key on your computer in the JF database. Their new findings will allow them to try every key you have saved in your DB until it finds the right one. Pretty cool I guess.
It can also be used for simplification. Lets say you just want to upgrade your drive to a newer firmware version. Upon querying the drive, it sounds like JF will be smart enough to load the right key and data for you automatically from the DB without you needing to manually get the firmware off the drive again, or loading your old dump files.
Thats what I got from it anyway...feel free to correct
Post by: lonedeath on April 22, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on April 22, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(lonedeath @ Apr 22 2010, 12:08 PM)
I don't suppose this will help those of us that flashed our liteons with the "bad key"?
No not unless you had already dumped the proper key at some point before erasing the drive.
Post by: lonedeath on April 22, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Apr 22 2010, 05:10 PM) 
No not unless you had already dumped the proper key at some point before erasing the drive.
afraid not. Oh well!
Still an interesting development.
Post by: xboxdawg on April 22, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
I thought at first though that it meant if you had lost the key it would try keys in some sequence till it found one that worked. Of course this would require access to the motherboard.
Kind of like one of those password crackers that tries millions of combinations, lol.
Post by: lonedeath on April 22, 2010, 11:26:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxdawg @ Apr 22 2010, 05:49 PM)
Great idea!
I thought at first though that it meant if you had lost the key it would try keys in some sequence till it found one that worked. Of course this would require access to the motherboard.
Kind of like one of those password crackers that tries millions of combinations, lol.
Exactly as I thought at first too.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on April 22, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: rulevoid_ on April 22, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Lush on April 22, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: Anarchy99 on April 22, 2010, 12:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Lush @ Apr 22 2010, 06:48 PM)
nice to see that the sammy users aren't being left out... hitachi, the future looks bleak...
i hope hitachi come out shortly after this
it sucks i have a unbanned one i want to update i hate being neglected because of that stupid drive
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on April 22, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
The team are testing an bashing around ideas on what to do once you have the key...
if you know what you are doing you back up your drive info far away as possible from your pc ie:you use a usb storage device/cd etc.junglewflasher database is there,you can back that up,dont realy see any use for it bar having it for backup purpose for those stiupid enough not to have backed the info up,sounds more like what other people are saying to me,like they are going to throw random keys at the drive and see if it matchs to get lost key drives working.just dosnt make sense to me.
if you lose the key you dont deserve to go near the drive in the first place and attempt the hack.
Post by: m4verick on April 22, 2010, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: iateshaggy on April 22, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: OggyUK on April 22, 2010, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Apr 22 2010, 07:47 PM)
so why are the team banging around with ideas of what to do once you have the key
We want to make it as user friendly, intuitive and to give the best possible return for it.
Between the team we all have varying opinions, and archiving methods which in turn present different pros and cons.
With this in mind, everyones setup is different, we are in discussion for the best way to implement, and improve this concept (which is confirmed working) and add it to JungleFlasher to give the greatest end result.
It's better than a "heres your key, get on with it" approach.
Post by: hardrock351w on April 22, 2010, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: hardie on April 22, 2010, 09:45:00 PM
why is it when xboxscene release info on releases it turns into a slanging match and bitchiness comes out
This is great news for all samsung owners but doubt that there is many around
Yes and i agree
someone looks like they need a permanent holiday from this site
Good work c4eva and team
Post by: iateshaggy on April 22, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: smiffy01uk on April 23, 2010, 12:43:00 AM
Keep up the great work for the rest of the scene.
Without you time and effort im sure we would all be a lot worse off than we are now.
Im sure I speak for nearly everyone on here when I say thankyou for your expertise and free time you have clearly given up for all.
Smiffy01uk
Post by: Nasryk on April 23, 2010, 01:19:00 AM
Post by: pigbait on April 23, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: phiquach on April 23, 2010, 02:13:00 AM
an ABORT or CANCEL button.
I hate when programming samsungs that get x51 and it keeps going when you try to intro.
Only way to abort is to close the program and reopen to start over.
Post by: mr-crix03 on April 23, 2010, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(phiquach @ Apr 23 2010, 09:13 AM)
you know what i really want?
an ABORT or CANCEL button.
I hate when programming samsungs that get x51 and it keeps going when you try to intro.
Only way to abort is to close the program and reopen to start over.
Doesn't the escape button work?
Post by: OggyUK on April 23, 2010, 06:26:00 AM
QUOTE(mr-crix03 @ Apr 23 2010, 09:41 AM)
Doesn't the escape button work?
In 0.1.6x+ revisions, yes.
Post by: MadMaxGR on April 23, 2010, 06:31:00 AM
c4eva -- RESPECT!!!!
Post by: Ranger72 on April 23, 2010, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: shivadow on April 23, 2010, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: OggyUK on April 23, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Maximize @ Apr 23 2010, 04:12 PM)
I am very happy to see that Oggy's post hasn't been censored
Spoke too soon
Post by: danthaman673 on April 23, 2010, 11:47:00 AM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Apr 23 2010, 09:56 PM)
In 0.1.6x+ revisions, yes.
Yes I'm afraid I have to second this one many,many a time I've had to do the repeated vendor intro thing and it just seems to keep going sometimes untill you close the program (Which always erks me when flashing, for obvious reasons) Or let it time-out .Escape doesn't seem to stop it, regardless an abort sequence button for those Various MTK intro situations where for whatever reason you need >1 but <100 intros to establish that it's not going into vendor mode.
On another note, Love the awesome implementation of the 'Brutal' approach which I posted about ages ago on XH but recieved no replies. (I've already had a rant about this on the JF site) Sorry but I have different logon for each site (For various reasons)
I have a couple of sammys around that have seen use in permanent 0800 mode since LT that could be put to better use :-)
Keep Up the good work, But lets not get to far into 'Spoon-Feeding' I tend to agree with others that if you lost your key, (ie; You had a good one then lost/threw it away) then you really don't deserve ton try the cutting edge stuff and expect the same level of support this scene has made you accustomed to. (It's the same thing with the new Freeboot and ppl not having Original Nand backup and/or whiging that to commands is too much for them without a GUI) I say write the GUI's not with that person in mind, but the guy who does 2 mods a day and would otherwise spend his/her time chained to a DOSbox.
Brgds/Dan
PS:Like I started to say before another rant escaped: Keep up the good work :-)
Post by: OggyUK on April 23, 2010, 12:08:00 PM
CODE
Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xCF00
Status 0x51
Re-sending Vendor Intro:
....
Aborted by User!
Status 0x51
Re-sending Vendor Intro:
....
Aborted by User!
As I posted on JF forums - We are NOT brute forcing keys - We are using known good keys to verify,
FYI: The reason you likely got no replies;
QUOTE(JungleJim)
Forget brute force attack, you won't live long enough, not with current PC speeds anyhow....
Guessing the right key has a chance of 1 in 2^128 = 3.4028236692093846346337460743177e+38
Post by: BoNg420 on April 23, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Apr 23 2010, 01:47 PM)
But lets not get to far into 'Spoon-Feeding' I tend to agree with others that if you lost your key, (ie; You had a good one then lost/threw it away) then you really don't deserve ton try the cutting edge stuff and expect the same level of support this scene has made you accustomed to.
You know stuff does happen, people might lose their USB key, HDDs can crash, shit happens you know... i guess if your HDD crashed, you might lose JF as well though... Maybe keep an email backup as well
Post by: Exobex on April 24, 2010, 08:15:00 AM
If you're updating a drive, you need the key you read off it in the first place. Not got it any more? Just read the drive again, and you have the key once more. Lost retail firmware, want it back? Read the drive and apply the keys to another retail firmware, job done.
Remember, though, that a machine that goes away to a repair shop could well come back with different guts and different keys. Safest thing in this case is to delete anything you've saved and read from the drive again.
Post by: fatvince on April 25, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(JD45 @ Apr 24 2010, 11:04 AM)
Yeah. When I back up my keys, I put it on both my hard drives, e-mail it to myself and write it down. Might be over kill but it's better than buying a whole new 360 if something ever went wrong.
I tattoo mine on my hand.
You can never be too careful.
Post by: igotwormz on April 27, 2010, 01:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Apr 24 2010, 06:15 AM)
Should be pretty difficult to completely lose a key, surely?
If you're updating a drive, you need the key you read off it in the first place. Not got it any more? Just read the drive again, and you have the key once more. Lost retail firmware, want it back? Read the drive and apply the keys to another retail firmware, job done.
Remember, though, that a machine that goes away to a repair shop could well come back with different guts and different keys. Safest thing in this case is to delete anything you've saved and read from the drive again.
This is true if it was only sent out to MS. Now who's to say a shop doesn't send it out for warranty but charge you for repair this is also possible. Regardless always re-read the keys after a repair from a shop. I personally save all keys in three different locations. I use 2 usb sticks and in my Dumped Firmware folder with names and numbers that way I don't lose anybody keys and they have to come to me for replacement drives
Post by: Piratesmustperish on April 27, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Apr 25 2010, 11:47 AM)
I tattoo mine on my hand.
You can never be too careful.
freaking lost my arm in a car accident. I begged them to save it or at least get the information off of it. They didn't understand me and blamed my seemingly nonsensical disposition on the morphine.Post by: DWells55 on April 27, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on April 28, 2010, 05:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Piratesmustperish @ Apr 27 2010, 07:29 PM)
freaking lost my arm in a car accident. I begged them to save it or at least get the information off of it. They didn't understand me and blamed my seemingly nonsensical disposition on the morphine.
Post by: danthaman673 on April 28, 2010, 08:53:00 PM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Apr 24 2010, 03:38 AM)
Must just be my Rev that stops on Esc during an MTK Intro I guess
I think the main thing is having a button, A pop-up box with extra large status code and Break-sequence-button would be nice but maybe I'm going a bit overboard (It's been known to happen)
CODE
Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xCF00
Status 0x51
Re-sending Vendor Intro:
....
Aborted by User!
Status 0x51
Re-sending Vendor Intro:
....
Aborted by User!
As I posted on JF forums - We are NOT brute forcing keys - We are using known good keys to verify,
FYI: The reason you likely got no replies;
Yes I made a vague hint of this elsewhere: Too vague perhaps? (Oh-well I should have pushed the issue, but at the time I assumed it had been discussed elsewhere and would likely attract no-end of flaming :-)
My Idea was more about wanting to experiment ,Making a similar educated guess(es) based on known(s).
With hindsight I probably didn't express myself as clearly as I could (ODD FW Ain't my speciality) From fear of exposing the gaps in my knowlege. I was hoping there might be a way to universally colect keys with a SATA sniffer (Like a T-piece to capture the xchange of info and use similar/same method to verify/xtract key etc..) This idea has gone a bit stale since we devd the 'MRA' Method, With the launch of the new slimline console I suspect ppl might be looking for new ways to do things soon enough tho
Brgds/Dan
Post by: hyfall381 on May 08, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
im happy to hear about it. got an old 360 laying around that originally came with a sammy. the drive hasnt been working too well lately, even after cleaning it.
also, this drive is flashed, but not banned. i took it off live last december when the bannings were happening.
when i read about lt samsung fw, i ordered a brand new drive. im looking forward to flashing it with the lt.
hope it gets here soon!
Post by: MadMaxGR on November 04, 2010, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: OggyUK on November 04, 2010, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: MadMaxGR on November 04, 2010, 06:15:00 AM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Nov 4 2010, 01:32 PM)
It was released ages ago....
Sorry my mistake... I wanted to ask about the Hitachi
Post by: MadMaxGR on November 05, 2010, 12:39:00 AM
