Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 23, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
Team Jungle Tweets About The iXtreme LT Firmware Posted by XanTium | November 23 16:05 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: Nive on November 23, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: Jebuzz on November 23, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: LoS HimSelF on November 23, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
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Post by: Deihmos on November 23, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: Zack_sparrow on November 23, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: clouduz on November 23, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Nov 23 2009, 03:12 PM) 
I can't wait for people to be banned because some guy said the firmware is undetectable like most of the previous firmwares.
^^ people like this shouldn't even read this if they are gonig to bitch. It'slike you installing nos in your car buy you sure the manufacturer when you destroy something? No one is making anyone use his firmware we all know the risks.
Just glad everything is going great!
Post by: crazycrak on November 23, 2009, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on November 23, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Nov 23 2009, 04:12 PM)
I can't wait for people to be banned because some guy said the firmware is undetectable like most of the previous firmwares.
Well everyone makes mistakes. Look at it this way, most people probably pirated thousands of dollars in games, so whats the hurt of making them buy a new console every 6 months.
Post by: Evi1d33d on November 23, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Jebuzz @ Nov 23 2009, 10:09 PM) 
HOOOORAY! And wtf is splitvid?
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If you put an Xbox 360 disc in a normal DVD video player you will see a screen that says, "To play this disc, put it in an Xbox 360 console." This happens because there's a DVD video partition on the disc which is split over both layers on original discs. On normal backups the video partition is all on layer 0, and hacked firmwares are supposed to redirect reads to the layer 1 video back to layer 0. However, it was discovered that some hacked firmware versions prior to the release of iXtreme were not doing this properly, and if the Xbox 360 host tried to read the entire video partition, the second part of it would be blank because the firmware started reading from layer 1 instead of continuing to read from layer 0 like it was supposed to. One solution to this problem was called SplitVid, and it works by appending the layer 1 video to the end of an iso (padded up to the proper position based on PFI) so that when these buggy firmwares start reading from layer 1 they will actually read the layer 1 video instead of blank data. The better solution is to simply upgrade your firmware to the latest iXtreme version because these old firmwares have even more security holes, even if you have a perfectly stealthed disc. iXtreme versions prior to v1.4 also have a bug in disc jitter (see 'Is there such a thing as a "bad kreon rip"?' for more on this). If you still want to add SplitVid (or even if you want to remove it) you can select your preference in the Misc tab. The default behavior is to not check for it and just leave it the way it is, because if you're using iXtreme firmware it doesn't matter if a backup has SplitVid or not; data past the game partition will not be readable by the Xbox 360 host.
Does that mean we have to reburn all our discs?
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Post by: JD45 on November 23, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Nov 23 2009, 01:12 PM)
I can't wait for people to be banned because some guy said the firmware is undetectable like most of the previous firmwares.
you're a moron...why even come to a modding community if you're just gona be a hater? when was it ever said that it will NEVER be detectable? do you have any idea how any of this works? of course eventually microsoft will find a way to detect this firmware..it's always going to be a cat and mouse game...stay out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat
Post by: Aldanga on November 23, 2009, 02:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Nov 23 2009, 03:30 PM)
Does that mean we have to reburn all our discs?
If you haven't included SplitVid, my assumption to that would be "yes" as the new firmware requires it for safety reasons.
Post by: pinkerton on November 23, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
So does this mean ixtreme didnt spoof splitvid as it should? Or LT doesnt spoof at all, so it requires splitvid?
Post by: joshualukin on November 23, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Nov 23 2009, 10:12 PM)
I can't wait for people to be banned because some guy said the firmware is undetectable like most of the previous firmwares.
Like most most house pets, trolls die if you stop feeding them.
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Nov 23 2009, 10:36 PM)
If you haven't included SplitVid, my assumption to that would be "yes" as the new firmware requires it for safety reasons.
Ahhh crap, had my original Halo 3 disk get stepped on and have been playing the backup. That sucks.
Post by: MickRick on November 23, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
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Post by: dcemuser on November 23, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 23 2009, 10:39 PM)
"Note: backups need to have SplitVid from now on to be safe for LT"
So does this mean ixtreme didnt spoof splitvid as it should? Or LT doesnt spoof at all, so it requires splitvid?
From ABGX360:
"If you put an Xbox 360 disc in a normal DVD video player you will see a screen that says, "To play this disc, put it in an Xbox 360 console." This happens because there's a DVD video partition on the disc which is split over both layers on original discs. On normal backups the video partition is all on layer 0, and hacked firmwares are supposed to redirect reads to the layer 1 video back to layer 0. However, it was discovered that some hacked firmware versions prior to the release of iXtreme were not doing this properly, and if the Xbox 360 host tried to read the entire video partition, the second part of it would be blank because the firmware started reading from layer 1 instead of continuing to read from layer 0 like it was supposed to. One solution to this problem was called SplitVid, and it works by appending the layer 1 video to the end of an iso (padded up to the proper position based on PFI) so that when these buggy firmwares start reading from layer 1 they will actually read the layer 1 video instead of blank data. The better solution is to simply upgrade your firmware to the latest iXtreme version because these old firmwares have even more security holes, even if you have a perfectly stealthed disc. iXtreme versions prior to v1.4 also have a bug in disc jitter (see 'Is there such a thing as a "bad kreon rip"?' for more on this). If you still want to add SplitVid (or even if you want to remove it) you can select your preference in the Misc tab. The default behavior is to not check for it and just leave it the way it is, because if you're using iXtreme firmware it doesn't matter if a backup has SplitVid or not; data past the game partition will not be readable by the Xbox 360 host."
Basically, iXtreme didn't read the SplitVid at all and most backups didn't have SplitVid.
Post by: WBones on November 23, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
I have 2 backups that I made some time ago that both verify in ABGX but I'm not sure if they have proper split-vid... is there any way to tell?
Post by: widow maker on November 23, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 23, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Sadly i have the new Liteon drive (93450C) - currently unhackable.
But I think i'm gonna stop with the CFW for a while - maybe indefinitely.
I'm a bit too tired of the cat & mouse game with MS & constantly worrying if i'm gonna get banned from Live coz my disc isn't stealthed properly.
Just gonna rent games for the foreseeable future - 3 month Lovefilm trials are great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
^ Of-course all that will probably change once someone figures how to mod the 93450C drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
QUOTE(widow maker @ Nov 23 2009, 09:48 PM)
why does he need a new firmware? after my 3 xboxs got banned he said the firmware wasnt being detected
Be grateful that you atleast have a way to play backups.
If you don't wanna be banned, DON'T FLASH YOUR XBOX 360!
Simple.
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Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
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Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 23 2009, 09:48 PM)
I'm guessing splitvid isnt something that ABGX checks for?
I have 2 backups that I made some time ago that both verify in ABGX but I'm not sure if they have proper split-vid... is there any way to tell?
Go to the misc tab and select : "add it if it doesn't exist or isn't valid"
Be sure to go to File -> Save Settings -> Default, too
Post by: pinkerton on November 23, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(dcemuser @ Nov 23 2009, 09:48 PM)
Basically, iXtreme didn't read the SplitVid at all and most backups didn't have SplitVid.
So what I wanna know is, is having no splitvid the main cause of the bans? Maybe we will never know.
Post by: Ree1981 on November 23, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
So yeah, I'm opting for going original as well. I used to play copies not to earn money, but to make sure a game is good before buying it, since my taste is very limited. But I guess demos, forum impressions, trailers, gameplay videos, written and video reviews will have to do.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 23, 2009, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 23 2009, 09:53 PM)
So what I wanna know is, is having no splitvid the main cause of the bans? Maybe we will never know.
Every single one of my games had SplitVid, still got banned.
So that's not the (only) thing MS are looking at.
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 23, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
i mean why would they make a lite-on only solution, well its good to hear that its all shaping up good, i only played 2 games on my current 360...havnt been on live since ban wave started but fingers crossed i escaped...kinda think it will be my time i had my original 360 from launch and it survived every ban wave thrown at it didnt survive a wave off coffee getting spilt in it though ohhh funny times damn girlfriends huh always spilling stuff, expecting my laptop to go next but its already survived 3 drinks falling in it whilst it was on so still alive, cant wait for the new fw even if microsoft can detect it im sure there 360 sales have had the needed xmas sales "boost" from all us unwelcome people haha see you all on live soon
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 23 2009, 09:53 PM)
So what I wanna know is, is having no splitvid the main cause of the bans? Maybe we will never know.
No, because iXtreme patched "splitvid" data as such so when data was requested iX redirected the laser to the first layer where the vid partition is on backups without splitvid.
These fancy checks / patches are being removed, so the onus is on you, the user, to make sure your backups are as close to an original game as possible.
Post by: Ree1981 on November 23, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 23, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 23 2009, 09:58 PM)
These fancy checks / patches are being removed, so the onus is on you, the user, to make sure your backups are as close to an original game as possible.
The way it should be
Post by: modslave on November 23, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
If you want piracy, imagine ripping a game straight to your upgraded HDD like the good old days
No worries about crippling drives then, if only
Post by: pinkerton on November 23, 2009, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(gamesquest1 @ Nov 23 2009, 09:58 PM)
yeah glad they cleared up the fact people where running around saying it was lite-on only
i mean why would they make a lite-on only solution, well its good to hear that its all shaping up good, i only played 2 games on my current 360...havnt been on live since ban wave started but fingers crossed i escaped...kinda think it will be my time i had my original 360 from launch and it survived every ban wave thrown at it didnt survive a wave off coffee getting spilt in it though ohhh funny times damn girlfriends huh always spilling stuff, expecting my laptop to go next but its already survived 3 drinks falling in it whilst it was on so still alive, cant wait for the new fw even if microsoft can detect it im sure there 360 sales have had the needed xmas sales "boost" from all us unwelcome people haha see you all on live soon Are you insane?
Sorry, back on topic.....
Post by: gamesquest1 on November 23, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
QUOTE(modslave @ Nov 23 2009, 10:01 PM) 
I too agree the cat & mouse game has became tiring and wish their was a team as talented as C4E and the Jungle crew working on HOMEBREW!
If you want piracy, imagine ripping a game straight to your upgraded HDD like the good old days
No worries about crippling drives then, if only
aww tell me about it no swapping disks an all that bs but still had the same NO LIVE effect back then custom firmware is still in my eyes best thing to happen to modders...in the microsoft department anyway i like not having to worry about stealth an stuff on the wii
but im sure we can all agree there isnt much to miss out on with a wii online ban, unless they banned the browser too but still xbox live is a big must with 360's or i would just get a ps3 for online games, im sure ill get someone crying about how crap PSN is but still its free and the hardware is much more reliable so if it was a case of goin legit i would just get a ps3 ITS GOT LEGIT LINUX shame if it does get to legit only dunno if i can be bothered getting another console but i probably would just as a big FU 2 microsoft
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 23, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
QUOTE(gamesquest1 @ Nov 23 2009, 10:10 PM)
if it was a case of goin legit i would just get a ps3 ITS GOT LEGIT LINUX shame if it does get to legit only dunno if i can be bothered getting another console but i probably would just as a big FU 2 microsoft
I'd game primarily on my PS3 if the controller didn't suck.
Wish I had 1337 modding skills like Ben Heck, so i could put a PS3 controller in a 360 controller shell
Post by: Martinchris23 on November 23, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 23 2009, 10:21 PM)
I'd game primarily on my PS3 if the controller didn't suck.
Wish I had 1337 modding skills like Ben Heck, so i could put a PS3 controller in a 360 controller shell
I've moved over to PS3 - the only thing I had to do was pick up a couple of pairs of triggers - HMV sell them for £1.99 a pair and make a HUGE difference to FPS gameplay. Whoever designed the convex triggers on the PS3 needed to be taken out and shot.
Post by: mmorpheus1 on November 23, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
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Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 23, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 23 2009, 03:53 PM)
Glad I've been doing nothing but SplitVid. No reburning or reripping for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
you should still go back and double check all your burns, especially for the angle 359 error. I'm *assuming* that patch will also be taken out when LT is released.
Post by: Meethatguy on November 23, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
"Oops, we didnt have a fix for something simple that we didnt think MS would check"
Now granted I would never have the attention span to make a firmware... But I would think that if something is made a certain way.... dont you think the modified version should read it the same exact way?
Funny to think all of us that were banned, were banned because of a simple thing as a video file not properly partitioned on a 2 layer disc....
Post by: Yeen on November 23, 2009, 03:44:00 PM
QUOTE(mmorpheus1 @ Nov 24 2009, 12:35 AM)
abgx360 has splitvid options under the misc tab, Add if it dosent exist or isn't valid, remove and leave options are available , i would guess that that the first option is the one that would need to be selected, but would it be able to 'FIX' an existing iso or would the database need to be improved to contain VALID splitvid ISO's ?????
Abgx just compares L1 video on L0 to L1 video on L1 and fixes it if it's not valid. It also checks the padding.
On a personal note, I wish they'd release it this week. My Christmas shopping depends on it.
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Post by: Syn201 on November 23, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 24 2009, 12:00 AM)
The way it should be
yes very true ,iv re ran all my iso backups threw abgx360 again opened em all in various windows left running all day with correct setting fixed alot of them
..Post by: Toddler on November 23, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: lenselijertje on November 23, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
ssv2 is better right?
Post by: Bon Scott on November 23, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
Cheers guys!
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 23 2009, 10:56 PM)
Everybody's talking about SplitVid and nobody's mentioning SSv2 issues. Won't we also need to ditch Kreon drives and rerip any SSv2 discs with Kreon angles?
Indeed. Do ALL games need reripping or is it just the latest ones that actually come with ssv2? Not sure if that even makes sense actually, I haven't seen one decent explanation on SSV2 yet (and to whoever, please don't quote abgx verbatim, their explanation isn't noob friendly
).
Post by: Skevsnok on November 23, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: jimbo70 on November 23, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: kainy on November 23, 2009, 04:11:00 PM
The new firmware, as I understand it, will gives us exactly that. A safe way to play originals with modded firmware on live. How safe it is... well we will see. Some claimed that dual firm ( cygnos for example ) does exactly the same job, and is undetectable, but I've personally came across 3 console with cygnos v1 which were banned very quickly ( not by mistake made by the owner ). So tests will tell
And you people, who are unhappy with the cat & mouse game... This is not even close to cat & mouse game... M$ patches holes once in an year ( last patch took 2 years )... Yes the last two patchs were extremely anti-piracy but I assume that if the new procedure for obtaining the drive key is more complicated and most important, not doable in home environment they'll live us be for a while. Or the other scenario is to patch holes one by one some time after our people dig the hole, and give them another 2-3 months digging to do it again, just to make some of us forfeit the game ( which hasn't began yet ).
For example I'll give you the PC version of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, where several patches were made every they to counter-attack the use of pirated backups on Steam. Another recent example is the PSP Go, where right after a solution was found for the 6.10 fw, a 6.20 fw came out. Same happend with canceling the JTAG with recent updates...
So c4eva, TeamJungle and all other great guys working on this, please work hard, don't hurry, and may Google be with you in your quest to kick M$ in the a**
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Ree1981 @ Nov 23 2009, 10:55 PM)
Ugh, that's a hard task (actually). Re-burning all your old games that doesn't have that split-vid thing. The scene will become a mess if that's true, since all the old games will probably have to be re-released.
So yeah, I'm opting for going original as well. I used to play copies not to earn money, but to make sure a game is good before buying it, since my taste is very limited. But I guess demos, forum impressions, trailers, gameplay videos, written and video reviews will have to do.
I am sure glad I don't download 360 games, this way I never have to worry about a bad rip from a scene release.
Post by: tactical on November 23, 2009, 04:15:00 PM
These guys are geniuses and if anybody can do it, these guys could.
And the 1 million 360's that got banned would be USEFUL again for online LIVE games connecting on local pc server LIVE-like. And we wouldn't have to update firmware anymore and worry about new checks ms puts out.
This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 24 2009, 12:20 AM
Post by: barzi on November 23, 2009, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(barzi @ Nov 24 2009, 12:15 AM)
Also for the newest Lite-On drives? Lite-On 83850c rev 2 and Lite-On 93450C?
Those drive have not been hacked yet, so they won't have custom firmware just yet.
Post by: The Dude Z on November 23, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
QUOTE(gamesquest1 @ Nov 23 2009, 04:58 PM)
yeah glad they cleared up the fact people where running around saying it was lite-on only
i mean why would they make a lite-on only solution, well its good to hear that its all shaping up good, i only played 2 games on my current 360...havnt been on live since ban wave started but fingers crossed i escaped...kinda think it will be my time i had my original 360 from launch and it survived every ban wave thrown at it didnt survive a wave off coffee getting spilt in it though ohhh funny times damn girlfriends huh always spilling stuff, expecting my laptop to go next but its already survived 3 drinks falling in it whilst it was on so still alive, cant wait for the new fw even if microsoft can detect it im sure there 360 sales have had the needed xmas sales "boost" from all us unwelcome people haha see you all on live soon Congratulations on setting the forum record for Emoticons used in a single post !
I was wondering when the record would fall.
Glad I got to see it in my lifetime.
Post by: barzi on November 23, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 24 2009, 12:21 AM)
Those drive have not been hacked yet, so they won't have custom firmware just yet.
I know that, but maybe they now have hacked those drives too? Because they say: "iXtreme LT for all drives, in dev/testing and going well. No ETA!". But does that mean: all hackable drives, or just all drives?
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Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: Syn201 on November 23, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 24 2009, 01:22 AM)
Congratulations on setting the forum record for Emoticons used in a single post !
I was wondering when the record would fall.
Glad I got to see it in my lifetime.
check with the world record people see if it holds up well your there see if there's one for being the most anely retentive person to reply to a post i think your a shoe in for that one
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Post by: The Dude Z on November 23, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(modslave @ Nov 23 2009, 05:01 PM)
I too agree the cat & mouse game has became tiring and wish their was a team as talented as C4E and the Jungle crew working on HOMEBREW!
If you want piracy, imagine ripping a game straight to your upgraded HDD like the good old days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
No worries about crippling drives then, if only
That really defeats the purpose of what they are doing with the FW mod.
The Firmware mod's lasted people a very long time without the ban from Xbox live.
Changing dashboards and stuff to that effect you would be banned PRONTO!
Anyone who want's homebrew as many of us do want it for stuff like a possible XBMC-360.
And the so called cat and mouse being tiring so let's make it so we can rip to the hard drive and run homebrew is just plain retarded.
If you just want to pirate games anyways you can already do that with FW mods.
If the updates are what's tiring you then go to a older FW that doesn't do wave checks and be done with it.
If you get banned it won't be as fast as if you completely took control of the console with a new dash etc.
It took a few days for original Xbox mods to be found by MS and the console banned.
So you tell me which is easier for them to detect ?
This post has been edited by The Dude Z: Nov 24 2009, 12:37 AM
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 23, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: tactical on November 23, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 23 2009, 02:35 PM)
Without reading this topic, why wouldnt you guys enable splitvid checks in abgx?
This has me confused too, doesn't abgx do this automatically, I mean if we were going on abgx to make sure the games were as close as possible to orginal and abgx wasn't doing this automatically as default, why not?
Many were trusting abgx to make sure all the t's were crossed and i's were dotted.
I guess NEW version of abgx will come out that meets the new standard.
Now if it is default setting in abgx , I'm good, but if not, gee , most of us are in trouble.
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Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 23 2009, 11:44 PM)
Now if it is default setting in abgx , I'm good, but if not, gee , most of us are in trouble.
Well indeed, it was just an option before, but I'd imagine any new release would have it as a default setting.
Post by: tactical on November 23, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 23 2009, 02:50 PM)
Well indeed, it was just an option before, but I'd imagine any new release would have it as a default setting.
I just checked and found that it was not checked and when I run it on some of my games it shows that it is invalid and then it fixes it.
Gee, if this was important why would it not have been default? Many of us were just expecting agbx default settings to be as close to original as possible, is there anything else we should be adjusting in options.
In future I hope agbx default settings err on the side of caution and apply all fixes automatically and we can un-check them if we want. I'm upset that if this was known check it wasn't just used as default. Damn.
This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 24 2009, 12:59 AM
Post by: dcemuser on November 23, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Yet again, from ABGX:
"The default behavior is to not check for it and just leave it the way it is, because if you're using iXtreme firmware it doesn't matter if a backup has SplitVid or not; data past the game partition will not be readable by the Xbox 360 host."
SSv2 and SplitVid are not the reasons for the bans because the MS drive default firmware DOES NOT READ them. HOWEVER, if the code behind iXtreme was bloated because of its special treatment of those things and others then the response times for CFW could be noticeably different (thats likely what got people banned). Therefore, even if you played every single game with SplitVid enabled and with valid SSv2 angles, you could still get banned because iXtreme's response times were different. That's the theory at least.
Post by: tactical on November 23, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
QUOTE(dcemuser @ Nov 23 2009, 03:00 PM)
The amount of people who cannot read in this topic is absolutely staggering.
Yet again, from ABGX:
"The default behavior is to not check for it and just leave it the way it is, because if you're using iXtreme firmware it doesn't matter if a backup has SplitVid or not; data past the game partition will not be readable by the Xbox 360 host."
SSv2 and SplitVid are not the reasons for the bans because the MS drive default firmware DOES NOT READ them. HOWEVER, if the code behind iXtreme was bloated because of its special treatment of those things and others then the response times for CFW could be noticeably different (thats likely what got people banned). Therefore, even if you played every single game with SplitVid enabled and with valid SSv2 angles, you could still get banned because iXtreme's response times were different. That's the theory at least.
We understand this, but, even if it didn't matter since it's not readable, but it differs from original, it should have been default, since it checks it and REPAIRS it in less than 1 second. In future hopefully agbx will use the most cautious settings it can. I just assumed it was doing that, to my regret. I understand it has nothing to do with ban, but with the disks themselves, now we all have to burn them all again or check them again. And I just assumed agbx's default included everything to make disk as close as possible to original.
This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 24 2009, 01:16 AM
Post by: Tj1zzle on November 23, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
there is no need for a new abgx release its already in the program, its just a matter of whether or not you enabled the feature
and if you havent it still doesnt mean your back ups arent splitvid, they still could be, the program just didnt check for it and fix it if it didnt.
enable the option and rescan your back up (the disc) there you will see if ur game does indeed have slitvid..
also splitvid is not the reason why people are getting banned and why you now need to have it.
the reason why you need it now is the new firmware is being stripped down of almost all features...
no stealth check, no splitvid emulation no nothing, so because the firmware isnt making up for the game not having it, it now must have it
hopefully that clears some stufff up for those who dont read..
also im going to say its a safe bet that when its said that "all drives" are in the development. that means all the usual drives that are already IX capable, theyre too busy working on the new firmware revision, not new exploits of drives...
but hey who am i to say
Post by: DWells55 on November 23, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
As long as I get the "please insert this disc in an Xbox 360" message when I put a backup into a DVD player, that means it has SplitVid, right?
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: sini on November 23, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 23 2009, 11:15 PM)
I hope these guys that are working on the firmware can also think and devise ways to create a "portable Live server" so 4-16 of us can play off a local pc server Live games. Then we wouldn't have to play this cat and mouse game again. MS Live would like it because modders are not on LIVE, and modders would love it because we could play LIVE games in closed communities without the little kids chatter. We wouldn't have the extra features of LIVE, but we could buy a unmodded 360 for that type stuff.
These guys are geniuses and if anybody can do it, these guys could.
And the 1 million 360's that got banned would be USEFUL again for online LIVE games connecting on local pc server LIVE-like. And we wouldn't have to update firmware anymore and worry about new checks ms puts out.
It already exists. X-Link Kai, XBConnect, you could even set up a vpn at home using something like Hamachi and get your friends to join you for a lan game.
Post by: Jbasto on November 23, 2009, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Jebuzz @ Nov 23 2009, 04:09 PM)
HOOOORAY! And wtf is splitvid?
U need to set it in ABGX
Post by: greenbackz on November 23, 2009, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(sini @ Nov 23 2009, 04:21 PM)
It already exists. X-Link Kai, XBConnect, you could even set up a vpn at home using something like Hamachi and get your friends to join you for a lan game.
yah, but unfortunately microsoft has limited the lan play to 30ms ping or lower... now unless u and ur friend are SUPER closeby u can't get a ping like that.. so basically its pointless cause u will never be able to play a game with someone far away (so no, not even close to xbox live)
Post by: Jbasto on November 23, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
QUOTE(DWells55 @ Nov 23 2009, 07:11 PM)
Heh, good thing I usually include SplitVid when I make my backups. Unfortunately, I can't be 100% sure all of them have it and I don't keep disc images after I make a backup. I suppose I could re-rip and re-burn all my originals to be sure I have SplitVid, but that seems like a waste.
As long as I get the "please insert this disc in an Xbox 360" message when I put a backup into a DVD player, that means it has SplitVid, right?
Just rerun them on ABGX and the ones that dont have Splitvid rerip !
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: greenbackz on November 23, 2009, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: quitow on November 23, 2009, 05:33:00 PM
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Post by: pinkerton on November 23, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 23, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
QUOTE(quitow @ Nov 24 2009, 12:33 AM)
Guys, simple question: is there anyway with ABGX360 to check if an ALREADY BURNED GAME has SplitVid? So I at least can know each games i should reburn and the ones i should keep, because i'm not the one who burned some of my games, especially the older ones.
Yes, misc - check splitvid, then change source to your dvd drive
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 24 2009, 12:40 AM)
Everyone seems to be focusig on splitvid, but do SS V1 359 angles need to be patched also for LT?
Noone knows yet, prolly advisable to tick the SSv1 fix box though.
Post by: Toddler on November 23, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: biscoito on November 23, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
Team Jungle actually works for Microsoft, they develop these hacks with a backdoor which allows M$ to detect them, it forces people with a modded console to buy a new one, generating more money to the evil empire so they can take over the world.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Cool news
Post by: kevc510 on November 23, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
From what I understand...there was a bug in older iX FW. I believe old iX FW would artifically jitter 359 to 360 and that is a invalid response. It should go back to 0...something OFW would do.
This post has been edited by kevc510: Nov 24 2009, 02:20 AM
Post by: CClark56 on November 23, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 24 2009, 02:18 AM)
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE ON ]
Team Jungle actually works for Microsoft, they develop these hacks with a backdoor which allows M$ to detect them, it forces people with a modded console to buy a new one, generating more money to the evil empire so they can take over the world.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Cool news
Actually, that wouldn't be too far of a step to take. I've personally seen high powered online game hack programmers paid by the game company to rig their programs with a call back to their servers with the info needed to ban them. Both a win-win.
But of course, TJ wouldn't do that and I'm not saying they did, just personally seen your conspiracy happen.
Post by: AllSewnUp on November 23, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 23 2009, 03:30 PM)
Well everyone makes mistakes. Look at it this way, most people probably pirated thousands of dollars in games, so whats the hurt of making them buy a new console every 6 months.
EXACTLY! Couldn't have said it better myself. Just 3 burnt games = $180 which you can get a brand new Jasper at Dell.com.
If you have burnt one game you have probably burnt dozens. Plus most people who know how to mod also know how to repair consoles. I had a console get banned and it only cost me $30 because I bought it broken and fixed it.
I honestly think if Microsoft made a RELIABLE console there would be less pirating. There are tons of people who would NEVER mod their consoles until they pay someone to repair it and then they are like what the hell....why not? Yeah go ahead and mod my console while you are at it.
Note to Microsoft: Concentrate on making your products reliable first. Then worry about piracy.
This doesn't give anyone banned a reason to bitch at Microsoft OR the c4eva. You knew when you modded your console there was a risk. SO QUIT BITCHING!
Post by: tonybologna on November 23, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
As for the SSv1 fix should it be enabled or not? I know the new FW isn't out yet but curious to know if any of you guys know if this will be needed from abgx with the new FW. Thanks!
Post by: dcemuser on November 23, 2009, 07:25:00 PM
QUOTE(tonybologna @ Nov 24 2009, 03:01 AM)
All of my current backups are good to go with the new LT FW. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
As for the SSv1 fix should it be enabled or not? I know the new FW isn't out yet but curious to know if any of you guys know if this will be needed from abgx with the new FW. Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Nobody knows for sure yet, but its a good bet to take if they are eliminating most user-error protections in LT that they would eliminate the jitter bug fix. I would definitely enable it in ABGX because it doesn't hurt to have it on.
Post by: Yeen on November 23, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
QUOTE
As for the SSv1 fix should it be enabled or not? I know the new FW isn't out yet but curious to know if any of you guys know if this will be needed from abgx with the new FW. Thanks!
I think it's safe to say that the SSv1 fix should be on. It's either good or it does nothing. It won't mess things up.
The real question is if we should trust the SSv2 angles?
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Yeen @ Nov 24 2009, 03:26 AM)
What's with all the "stop whining!" posts? I haven't seen any whiners in this thread... yet.
I think it's safe to say that the SSv1 fix should be on. It's either good or it does nothing. It won't mess things up.
The real question is if we should trust the SSv2 angles?
The whole purpose of SSv2 angles is to make sure the ripping drive is actually taking an accurate angle measurement by doing the angle twice, not putting in a default angle and applying a jitter to it (just what the Kreon drive does)
Post by: f575gtc on November 23, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: DeeRez on November 23, 2009, 07:33:00 PM
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 24 2009, 02:18 AM)
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE ON ]
Team Jungle actually works for Microsoft, they develop these hacks with a backdoor which allows M$ to detect them, it forces people with a modded console to buy a new one, generating more money to the evil empire so they can take over the world.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Cool news
Team Jungle actually works for Microsoft, they develop these hacks with a backdoor which allows M$ to detect them, it forces people with a modded console to buy a new one, generating more money to the evil empire so they can take over the world.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Cool news
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE ON ]
If it was me, I'd make sure there was a really easy way to get the drive key and serial number using a simple custom command.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Sorry had to join in on the crazy.
Post by: HotKnife420 on November 23, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: tornadog on November 23, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: vinnycuz on November 23, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
Keep up the good work guys, been running strong on my Sammy with Xtreme 5.3 for over 2 years now. Looking forward to LT, just not redownloading or reripping my backups! Damn it LOL
Enough said...GN ALL! ZzzzZzzzz..
This post has been edited by vinnycuz: Nov 24 2009, 04:14 AM
Post by: Toddler on November 23, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(kevc510 @ Nov 23 2009, 07:18 PM)
Shouldnt worry about 359 angle...that's old news. Patching that just changes 359 to 0 degree.
From what I understand...there was a bug in older iX FW. I believe old iX FW would artifically jitter 359 to 360 and that is a invalid response. It should go back to 0...something OFW would do.
You're missing the point. If you rip an SSv2 game with both drives, you'll notice that the Kreon rip produces different angles from the 0800 rip.
Check this comparison:
(IMG:http://usera.imagecave.com/acg0220/bordercompare.gif)
I'm reading posts elsewhere that call Kreon a "ban magnet" because of this, and I'm just trying to figure out if this is true.
This post has been edited by Toddler: Nov 24 2009, 04:18 AM
Post by: pimmpinn on November 23, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 23 2009, 06:15 PM)
I hope these guys that are working on the firmware can also think and devise ways to create a "portable Live server" so 4-16 of us can play off a local pc server Live games. Then we wouldn't have to play this cat and mouse game again. MS Live would like it because modders are not on LIVE, and modders would love it because we could play LIVE games in closed communities without the little kids chatter. We wouldn't have the extra features of LIVE, but we could buy a unmodded 360 for that type stuff.
These guys are geniuses and if anybody can do it, these guys could.
And the 1 million 360's that got banned would be USEFUL again for online LIVE games connecting on local pc server LIVE-like. And we wouldn't have to update firmware anymore and worry about new checks ms puts out.
check out xlink kai had a couple of games of mw2 works just fine
Post by: insanityforall on November 23, 2009, 08:41:00 PM
QUOTE(CClark56 @ Nov 23 2009, 07:29 PM)
Actually, that wouldn't be too far of a step to take. I've personally seen high powered online game hack programmers paid by the game company to rig their programs with a call back to their servers with the info needed to ban them. Both a win-win.
But of course, TJ wouldn't do that and I'm not saying they did, just personally seen your conspiracy happen.
Hmm? Anyone else recall Iries, "The 83850c encryption will NEVER be decrypted, the foundmy.com guy is the only one who can and he's not sharing...." (something very SIMILAR to that!) Two days later... Well you know..
That doesn't sound a like a sell out of some sorts to you? I still
you, Iries. I'm just, NEVER going to trust YOU with my lunch money! Was he acting on his own? Or was he simply the poor scapegoat sent out to be the spokesperson? (IMO- that whole ordeal was actually TJ caving in to all the people demanding the Option B be released, when someone let it slip that it had existed, on the Lite-on the entire time.)QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 23 2009, 09:15 PM)
You're missing the point. If you rip an SSv2 game with both drives, you'll notice that the Kreon rip produces different angles from the 0800 rip.
Check this comparison:
I'm reading posts elsewhere that call Kreon a "ban magnet" because of this, and I'm just trying to figure out if this is true.
Why thank you Toddler for forcing all my paranoid thoughts into throwing away my freaking Kreon! Good thing I have that stack of spare 360 drives.
Anyone want to buy a working Kreon? It's like around a year old...Screw this SplitVid ordeal, as all of my games were ripped on a Kreon. I'm just SCREWED. %^#^%^ That's like 150 games I have to re-rip! Well my evenings are planned for the next 6 months. Hey maybe my 9* Lite-on will be cracked by then!
Post by: TerminatR on November 23, 2009, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(joshualukin @ Nov 23 2009, 10:42 PM)
Ahhh crap, had my original Halo 3 disk get stepped on and have been playing the backup. That sucks.
I don't think that qualifies for 'splitvid'
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 08:54:00 PM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 24 2009, 04:52 AM)
I don't think that qualifies for 'splitvid'
That qualifies for SplitDisc. lol
Post by: Garytek on November 23, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 24 2009, 01:24 PM)
That qualifies for SplitDisc. lol
Rofl.
Post by: damonnomad on November 23, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
QUOTE(insanityforall @ Nov 24 2009, 11:41 AM)
Why thank you Toddler for forcing all my paranoid thoughts into throwing away my freaking Kreon! Good thing I have that stack of spare 360 drives.
Anyone want to buy a working Kreon? It's like around a year old...Screw this SplitVid ordeal, as all of my games were ripped on a Kreon. I'm just SCREWED. %^#^%^ That's like 150 games I have to re-rip! Well my evenings are planned for the next 6 months. Hey maybe my 9* Lite-on will be cracked by then!
Don't be an ass clown.
Of course the angles are going to be different.
How can you expect 2 different drives to rip the disks with exactly the same angles.
They have a threshold for a reason.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 23, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
QUOTE(damonnomad @ Nov 24 2009, 05:37 AM)
Don't be an ass clown.
Of course the angles are going to be different.
How can you expect 2 different drives to rip the disks with exactly the same angles.
They have a threshold for a reason.
So we shouldnt be worried about Kreon rips? Someone please clarify this. Thanks
Post by: shyzza313 on November 23, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
QUOTE(AllSewnUp @ Nov 23 2009, 05:57 PM)
EXACTLY! Couldn't have said it better myself. Just 3 burnt games = $180 which you can get a brand new Jasper at Dell.com.
If you have burnt one game you have probably burnt dozens. Plus most people who know how to mod also know how to repair consoles. I had a console get banned and it only cost me $30 because I bought it broken and fixed it.
I honestly think if Microsoft made a RELIABLE console there would be less pirating. There are tons of people who would NEVER mod their consoles until they pay someone to repair it and then they are like what the hell....why not? Yeah go ahead and mod my console while you are at it.
Note to Microsoft: Concentrate on making your products reliable first. Then worry about piracy.
This doesn't give anyone banned a reason to bitch at Microsoft OR the c4eva. You knew when you modded your console there was a risk. SO QUIT BITCHING!
Bravo thats the risk u take when one decides to step into the ring of mods
Post by: yolarrydabomb on November 23, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
you think theses patch's is so easy to detect.
Post by: Toddler on November 23, 2009, 10:43:00 PM
QUOTE(yolarrydabomb @ Nov 23 2009, 11:12 PM)
Jesus I just want a console with no checks and disc that's closest to the original one.
You want a Wii.
Post by: slayer902 on November 23, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 24 2009, 05:39 AM)
C4EVA and Team Jungle FTW ! One question though, how could we tell if scene releases are being ripped with Kreon drives? What options should we include in ABGX and what should we look for ? Thanks in advance.
So we shouldnt be worried about Kreon rips? Someone please clarify this. Thanks
you should start by actually buying the games and ripping them with an 0800 drive.
Post by: stacker69 on November 23, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
QUOTE(slayer902 @ Nov 24 2009, 06:55 AM)
you should start by actually buying the games and ripping them with an 0800 drive.
That is exactly what I have been doing. Bought a spare Lite-On, flashed it with the 0800 firmware and have been re-ripping all of my game.
I used to use a Kreon drive. Now it my R.I.P.
Post by: stacker69 on November 23, 2009, 11:06:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 24 2009, 05:00 PM)
That is exactly what I have been doing. Bought a spare Lite-On, flashed it with the 0800 firmware and have been re-ripping all of my game.
I used to use a Kreon drive. Now it my R.I.P.
Just out of curiousity how do you power up your LiteOn drive in your PC? Do you use the CK3 and just leave connected? Do you have the drive installed in your desktop/tower?
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 23, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
QUOTE(stacker69 @ Nov 24 2009, 07:06 AM)
Just out of curiousity how do you power up your LiteOn drive in your PC? Do you use the CK3 and just leave connected? Do you have the drive installed in your desktop/tower?
I use the Maximus power dongle for 360 from here:
Maximus Power Dongle
I have an eSata to Sata cable that I want to try to use so I don't have to have the side of my PC open. I got to find where I put it first.
Post by: stacker69 on November 23, 2009, 11:32:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 24 2009, 05:28 PM)
I use the Maximus power dongle for 360 from here:
Maximus Power Dongle
I have an eSata to Sata cable that I want to try to use so I don't have to have the side of my PC open. I got to find where I put it first.
Cool!! That's what I have to. Yeah I'm just thinking of how to permanently leave the dvd drive in there or modify an external dvd case and hook it via USB.
Post by: xboxofniet on November 23, 2009, 11:33:00 PM
I wonder if something come out of the three C4E's test xbox360 consoles. Could not find any news about this anywhere.
Someone knows?
Thanx
Post by: j3ll3 on November 24, 2009, 01:50:00 AM
QUOTE(DWells55 @ Nov 24 2009, 01:11 AM)
Heh, good thing I usually include SplitVid when I make my backups. Unfortunately, I can't be 100% sure all of them have it and I don't keep disc images after I make a backup. I suppose I could re-rip and re-burn all my originals to be sure I have SplitVid, but that seems like a waste.
As long as I get the "please insert this disc in an Xbox 360" message when I put a backup into a DVD player, that means it has SplitVid, right?
Mimesis!1!! lol.. too bad it's dead
Dwells <3
luckily i've always added splitvid.. i'm so smart... because without it's just not a 1:1 backup
i wish ppl would stop blaming abgx360 and c4eva, for making their own stupid mistakes.. if not i'm going to kill these haters
for everyone wondering... SSv2 is included in about each stealth upload in the abgx database..
Post by: Blade732 on November 24, 2009, 01:54:00 AM
Post by: Alize on November 24, 2009, 02:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Blade732 @ Nov 24 2009, 08:54 AM)
Hey guys, quick question regarding split-vid. I have a Hitachi running ix1.51 that survived the banwave. Should I be concerned with talk of this patching, or does it only concern the newer drives?
Nobody "survives" the ban wave lol you either haven't been banned yet (it will come) or you stayed off live during the bans, either way you will need your firmware updating and need to check your discs and make sure they have been ripped with SplitVid enabled.
Post by: modslave on November 24, 2009, 04:29:00 AM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 23 2009, 11:35 PM)
Changing dashboards and stuff to that effect you would be banned PRONTO!
Anyone who want's homebrew as many of us do want it for stuff like a possible XBMC-360.
If you just want to pirate games anyways you can already do that with FW mods.
If you get banned it won't be as fast as if you completely took control of the console with a new dash etc.
I agree with all you have said. The only 100% solution if you want Live and "backups" is obviously to have more than one console. I guess I just really want to see more come from the JTAG hack and of coarse XBMC360 FTW!! Although with silent XBMC's such as the link below becomming cheaper there are more easier ways of achieving this now than an xbox.
http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-sile...er-on-the-cheap
Back on topic,
I love the firmware updates and think going back to basics is a good move by the team
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE
backups need to have SplitVid from now on to be safe for LT
Throws out every backup already made into the trash.
Post by: audi_a8 on November 24, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 04:12 PM)
Throws out every backup already made into the trash.
you know you can check the backups you've made through abgx gui ?
Post by: Mexdog19 on November 24, 2009, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(j3ll3 @ Nov 24 2009, 09:50 AM)
luckily i've always added splitvid.. i'm so smart... because without it's just not a 1:1 backup
problem is, even with splitvid, it isn't 1:1.
With split vid, L1 video partition is put where it is supposed to be (on L1), but it is was also put on to L0 because that's where all ixtreme fw (up until LT) expected it. This means that the L1 partition can be found in two places, yet the original disc it can only be found in one place (L1).
This is why current splitvid rips are larger in size than non splitvid rips, L1 is in two places. This means the total disc data is larger than the original. Not 1:1.
The only proper splitvid rip is to have L1 video on L1 only, and not on L0. These rips would not work with previous ixtreme fw, but they would be 1:1.
We're still not sure if LT will require this exact 1:1 form or if the previous (non 1:1) splitvid rips will work.
So maybe you're not so smart.
So here's the rundown:
Original disc: L1 data is in one place - L1.
Non splitvid: L1 data is in one place - L0 (this is where ixtreme expected it)
Current compromised splitvid: L1 data is in two places - L0 and L1 (ixtreme can find it where it is expected, AND it's where its supposed to be)
Real 1:1 splitvid: L1 data is in one place - L1 (this wouldn't be compatible with previous ixtreme, so noone has used it)
We need to wait to see what teamjungle does with this new fw, we may still be able to use the compromised splitvid method, if the fw properly hides its inadequacies. Otherwise we'll need to move to a real 1:1 ripping method, and all previous splitvid discs won't work.
Post by: MyDogAteIt on November 24, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 24, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 03:36 PM)
Real 1:1 splitvid: L1 data is in one place - L1 (this wouldn't be compatible with previous ixtreme, so noone has used it)[/b]
So why didn't they just rip discs with the vid data in the right layer, with ixtreme reading from this area?
Oh and also, I thought they "rebranded" themselves as "Team HyperX"? not complaining, TJ sounds better anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: sdboltdude on November 24, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
i use kreon & xbc to rip ...checked games w/ abgx all passed split-vid check... So is kreon split-vid ok? do I auto-fix anything(all passed abgx) or just wait to see what c4e. says ...worst case delete and start from scratch.
THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK C4EVA & TEAM JUNGLE looks like the testing is going good hopefully in final stage.......
Post by: joshualukin on November 24, 2009, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 24 2009, 04:52 AM)
I don't think that qualifies for 'splitvid'
LOL!
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 24 2009, 05:05 PM)
So why didn't they just rip discs with the vid data in the right layer, with ixtreme reading from this area?
Well it began in 2006 with old xtreme fw reading L1 from L0 due to technical difficulties making proper images and having the FW read it properly. Eventually that difficulty was overcome, but the xtreme FW of the day still expected L1 to be in L0 so ripping methods remained the same.
When ixtreme came out in 2007 alot of people expected this to change and L1 data to be read from L1, but this would cause everyone's xtreme (non splitvid rips) to not work.
I think c4eva and the team decided to continue to search for L1 data on L0 to stay compatible with the old rips. It was a compromise for compatibilty with the assumption that there was no technical way for MS to detect the difference.
Everyone was told that the FW would hide that the L1 data is being read from L0, and that MS would not be able to tell the difference - obviously that is no longer true.
(many people screamed about proper 1:1 support back then, saying it was the only safe way to do it, but alas it didn't happen)
So back in 2007, people started adding L1 data to the proper L1 spot, but they needed to also put it in the L0 spot to stay compatible with ixtreme. The belief was that if a new fw came out that needed the L1 data in the proper L1 spot, the disks will still be compatible. Problem is, the disks were still not 1:1, it had L1 in two spots, making total disc size too big. This is the current practiced splitvid method, L1 in two spots.
Still, we were told that the FW would ignore the extra video data on L1, meaning the extra data would be ignored and everything still appear legit to MS. Opinions divided on that issue, some insisting on making these types of splitvid rips, others sticking with the old non-splitvid method (most didn't know the diff).
Since neither were really 1:1, neither opinions were wrong, noone could say which was best.
We will have to see if the current splitvid method will be compatible and "safe" with the ixtreme LT. It is quite possible that we need to change the splitvid method to a 1:1 format. Or perhaps the new LT firmware will effectively hide the extra video partition. We need to wait to hear more from the team.
I know it's hard to follow, hopefully some of you can make sense of my brief splitvid history lesson.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 24, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: newboxflash on November 24, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Nov 23 2009, 09:12 PM)
I can't wait for people to be banned because some guy said the firmware is undetectable like most of the previous firmwares.
cant see you making many friends with posts like this any firmware is installed at users risk a ban is always on the cards the guy give us his time and effort i really hope you dont even try installing the software to gain anything from it, what a c0ckhead you are
ive got 2 banned consoles and 90 games my maths says im ahead by a few grand so all is good this side of the pond (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Post by: caster420 on November 24, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 10:36 AM)
Original disc: L1 data is in one place - L1
That is incorrect. An original Xbox360 disc has a video partition on both L0 and L1. Splitvid emulates this as much as possible. Original Xtreme fw was only capable of reading from L0 (reasoning and correction explained in Post #2), hence the original format. c4e has since corrected this.
Reference:
Post 1
another explanation of whats going on...
Post 2
Caster.
This post has been edited by caster420: Nov 24 2009, 07:58 PM
Post by: vinnycuz on November 24, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 11:59 AM)
Well it began in 2006 with old xtreme fw reading L1 from L0 due to technical difficulties making proper images and having the FW read it properly. Eventually that difficulty was overcome, but the xtreme FW of the day still expected L1 to be in L0 so ripping methods remained the same.
When ixtreme came out in 2007 alot of people expected this to change and L1 data to be read from L1, but this would cause everyone's xtreme (non splitvid rips) to not work.
I think c4eva and the team decided to continue to search for L1 data on L0 to stay compatible with the old rips. It was a compromise for compatibilty with the assumption that there was no technical way for MS to detect the difference.
Everyone was told that the FW would hide that the L1 data is being read from L0, and that MS would not be able to tell the difference - obviously that is no longer true.
(many people screamed about proper 1:1 support back then, saying it was the only safe way to do it, but alas it didn't happen)
So back in 2007, people started adding L1 data to the proper L1 spot, but they needed to also put it in the L0 spot to stay compatible with ixtreme. The belief was that if a new fw came out that needed the L1 data in the proper L1 spot, the disks will still be compatible. Problem is, the disks were still not 1:1, it had L1 in two spots, making total disc size too big. This is the current practiced splitvid method, L1 in two spots.
Still, we were told that the FW would ignore the extra video data on L1, meaning the extra data would be ignored and everything still appear legit to MS. Opinions divided on that issue, some insisting on making these types of splitvid rips, others sticking with the old non-splitvid method (most didn't know the diff).
Since neither were really 1:1, neither opinions were wrong, noone could say which was best.
We will have to see if the current splitvid method will be compatible and "safe" with the ixtreme LT. It is quite possible that we need to change the splitvid method to a 1:1 format. Or perhaps the new LT firmware will effectively hide the extra video partition. We need to wait to hear more from the team.
I know it's hard to follow, hopefully some of you can make sense of my brief splitvid history lesson.
If M$ detects the file size, a file size spoof could be added to the code this way every disk is the correct size. Or maybe ABGX can inject the file size to spoof it, hmmm...
Post by: caster420 on November 24, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
Regards,
Caster.
This post has been edited by caster420: Nov 24 2009, 08:16 PM
Post by: CYRAX on November 24, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
Post by: WBones on November 24, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Mexdog19 @ Nov 24 2009, 09:36 AM)
I greatly appreciate what C4E and others are doing but I don't understand why everyone is posting this stuff on Twitter or just putting this on blast so M$ can read what's going on. Do they not think M$ is planning something to counter attack this some how since people can't keep their mouth shut about it. It's just stupid to post something like this on a social network site. M$ can find anything and read about it just like us.
Yep. Because if we just kept it to a post on these forums we all know that MS is not able to make an account on here and read.... right..... ?
MS knows whats going on. Keeping it off twitter wont stop that. We dont have some super secret undergound network and if we did then none of this stuff would be free to do.
Its a good thing nobody at MS is able to run Xbins either because then we would be screwed!.....
Post by: Redline99 on November 24, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: MyDogAteIt on November 24, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 24 2009, 07:40 PM)
That is incorrect. An original Xbox360 disc has a video partition on both L0 and L1. Splitvid emulates this as much as possible. Original Xtreme fw was only capable of reading from L0 (reasoning and correction explained in Post #2), hence the original format. c4e has since corrected this.
Reference:
Post 1
another explanation of whats going on...
Post 2
Caster.
Woah, i didnt say there wasn't a L0 video partition! What i said is that the L1 video partition was found on L1! Obviously the L0 video partition is on L0 and has stayed on L0, I was only referring to the location of the L1 video partition. If you read again what i said i never even talked about the L0 video partition. I really can't see how you guys can conclude i don't know about L0 video. I never intended to offer a complete explanation of splitvid. Ofcourse, if i had intended to explain it all i would of talked about L0 video. My intent was to point out the locations of L1 video, and quantify current the splitvid method with respect to that partition alone. Nothing I said was incorrect, just incomplete.
This post has been edited by Obveron: Nov 24 2009, 09:36 PM
Post by: Midnight Tboy on November 24, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Redline99 @ Nov 24 2009, 09:58 PM)
Obveron, what are you talking about? Your explanation of splitvid is incorrect. Splitvid is created according to the PFI, it is not just placed in the locations for the sake of putting it somewhere. It is a recreation on how the PFI is telling us to make the data. The locked partition (video) is not "all on L1" it is on both L0 and L1 exactly as splitvid recreates. The older Xtreme firmware and the iso without splitvid used the L0 data correctly, the problem is that the L1 data was in the wrong spot. If the rules of the PFI were followed (as they were) the L1 part of the partition would be non visible, c4eva corrected the firmware to address this so that those types of iso's could be used. We currently create a hybrid that puts the L1 data in the "bad spot on L0" and in the correct location on L1 (the SplitVid).
lol I keep "understanding" and them becoming more confused afterwards (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
So.....if we "currently" create a hybrid? Does that mean the "hybrid" is created when in ABGX the option to insert splitvid is selected.....or when it is not/ignored?
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Redline99 @ Nov 24 2009, 08:58 PM)
We currently create a hybrid that puts the L1 data in the "bad spot on L0" and in the correct location on L1 (the SplitVid).
This is exactly what i was describing.... pointing out that since L1 is in two spots, it's not 1:1. That's it.
Post by: dbldown768 on November 24, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
This post has been edited by dbldown768: Nov 24 2009, 09:43 PM
Post by: AnimeCommander on November 24, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
Quick comments like "read L1 from L0" can be confusing. Its just an easy way to communicate and experts like redline and caster do the same thing.
I also never mentioned that original disks have the video partition split across two layers. Which doesn't mean I'm unaware of that, but some have obviously interpreted it as such.
I wanted to only talk about the location of the L1 video partition. I only typed it in a short period of time (and used some sloppy technical language), hoping to enlighten a few noobs about a little bit of the issues.
It was never meant to be a 100% thorough explanation of splitvid, such a thing would require very deliberate and accurate terms which i didn't use.
If I am spreading misinformation, I'm very sorry.
I'm pretty sure i didn't say anything grossly off the mark (as i am accused of), merely my technical language and lack of describing the complete picture makes for easy confusion. For that i'm sorry.
No experts were jumping in to describe any of it, and I felt like making a few points to help out.
This post has been edited by Obveron: Nov 24 2009, 10:20 PM
Post by: skyliner99 on November 24, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(MyDogAteIt @ Nov 24 2009, 03:24 PM)
All this talk of banned xbox live 360's. LET'S THINK OUT OF THE BOX - instead of trying to find a work around to get back on live. Why not figure out a way to just use the internet capabilities of the 360 hardware and just connect to the web and start our OWN banned community where all banned consoles could easily access and play one another directly WITHOUT MICROTHUGS? What do we need?
a way to run an unsigned xex without a ping filter which is impossible at the moment
Post by: caster420 on November 24, 2009, 02:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 04:12 PM)
Ok i think the big issue with my posts I was sometimes using the quick term L1 or L1 data to mean "L1 video partition".
Quick comments like "read L1 from L0" can be confusing. Its just an easy way to communicate and experts like redline and caster do the same thing.
I also never mentioned that original disks have the video partition split across two layers. Which doesn't mean I'm unaware of that, but some have obviously interpreted it as such.
I wanted to only talk about the location of the L1 video partition. I only typed it in a short period of time (and used some sloppy technical language), hoping to enlighten a few noobs about a little bit of the issues.
It was never meant to be a 100% thorough explanation of splitvid, such a thing would require very deliberate and accurate terms which i didn't use.
If I am spreading misinformation, I'm very sorry.
I'm pretty sure i didn't say anything grossly off the mark (as i am accused of), merely my technical language and lack of describing the complete picture makes for easy confusion. For that i'm sorry.
No experts were jumping in to describe any of it, and I felt like making a few points to help out.
Quick comments like "read L1 from L0" can be confusing. Its just an easy way to communicate and experts like redline and caster do the same thing.
I also never mentioned that original disks have the video partition split across two layers. Which doesn't mean I'm unaware of that, but some have obviously interpreted it as such.
I wanted to only talk about the location of the L1 video partition. I only typed it in a short period of time (and used some sloppy technical language), hoping to enlighten a few noobs about a little bit of the issues.
It was never meant to be a 100% thorough explanation of splitvid, such a thing would require very deliberate and accurate terms which i didn't use.
If I am spreading misinformation, I'm very sorry.
I'm pretty sure i didn't say anything grossly off the mark (as i am accused of), merely my technical language and lack of describing the complete picture makes for easy confusion. For that i'm sorry.
No experts were jumping in to describe any of it, and I felt like making a few points to help out.
Dont worry about it. Your post was definitely misinterpreted by myself and others. All is good.
Caster.
Post by: Obveron on November 24, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
/wipes sweat off brow
Post by: Toddler on November 24, 2009, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Nov 24 2009, 02:26 PM)
Nothing I said was incorrect, just incomplete.
I sort of agree. You gave a layman's explanation, not a dissertation. But I'm also not surprised that Redline and Caster felt the need to clarify things after you stepped in their wheelhouse. Don't take it personally.
Post by: Redline99 on November 24, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
I read it as the way splitvid was being done is incorrect, which I dont believe it is. The non-splitvid way is the incorrect way, and the current splitvid is more like 1:1, but as I said we also put in the old way of the video layer 1 data. That was to maintain compatibility, this is the hybrid part. Under normal circumstances that old way data should not matter as it is outside of the PSN range dictated by the PFI. From the perspective of the console, reads outside of the PFI are in error. For example the PFI, DMI, SS are on layer 0 but are in a gap between the video partition and the game partition PFI ranges.
Anyways sorry for the confusion.
Post by: Moegames on November 24, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 23 2009, 07:18 PM)
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE ON ]
Team Jungle actually works for Microsoft, they develop these hacks with a backdoor which allows M$ to detect them, it forces people with a modded console to buy a new one, generating more money to the evil empire so they can take over the world.
[ CONSPIRACY NUT MODE OFF ]
Cool news (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Believe me..that wouldnt not surprise me what so ever simply because Microsoft has let the NSA work on Windows 7 and past OS software. For the uninformed..the NSA is the National Security Agency..the same group that works for Home Land Security. Read here http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/1..._windows_7.html
Now you may think thats a good thing..right? but in reality NSA is involved to ease drop via backdoors and see what kind of tasks the citizens are up to which imho breaks the Constitution that we are all entitled too..for us in America that is. Its just one tiny, subtle step to a New World Order that we are heading too, mark my words.
This post has been edited by Moegames: Nov 25 2009, 02:40 AM
Post by: tweakthings on November 24, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 24, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
On topic: iXtreme LT FTW ! Cant wait.
Post by: Anarchy99 on November 24, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
QUOTE(skyliner99 @ Nov 24 2009, 10:34 PM)
a way to run an unsigned xex without a ping filter which is impossible at the moment
wouldnt it just be theoretically
emulate xbox lives service for match making and such(although probably difficult because of encryption and such)
then just with some dns magic make the xbox think its connecting to xbox live when really its connecting to "open xbox live" which would hopefully be a clone of the real thing minus banning
i think thats where we should be focusing our attention because then who gives a $#!& about ban waves because we could still get the multiplayer features needed
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 24, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Anarchy99 @ Nov 25 2009, 05:45 AM)
wouldnt it just be theoretically
emulate xbox lives service for match making and such(although probably difficult because of encryption and such)
then just with some dns magic make the xbox think its connecting to xbox live when really its connecting to "open xbox live" which would hopefully be a clone of the real thing minus banning
i think thats where we should be focusing our attention because then who gives a $#!& about ban waves because we could still get the multiplayer features needed
Then MS will add code into system updates that will prevent that which we will all be forced to update with when new games come out.
Post by: Anarchy99 on November 24, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 25 2009, 05:49 AM)
Then MS will add code into system updates that will prevent that which we will all be forced to update with when new games come out.
possibly but once something is working who knows how easy it may be to implement updates
know one knows till its atleast attempted
i just think that the community is to content with the status quo (bannings or xlink with the 30ms ping limitations)
and yet ive never seen anyone post dumps or discuss xbox lives encryptions even though server emulators are a big part of unofficial multiplayer for many pc games especially mmos some are even very simply written in python and such just coded to pass on "valid checks" and there very cobbled together
Post by: Takashi on November 25, 2009, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: totoz on November 25, 2009, 04:39:00 AM
waitin lite touch...
this is a great community!
Post by: Hellsgremlin on November 25, 2009, 07:33:00 AM
When I want to make a copy Of a Movie or a CD I simply Put it in my Drive Press RIP Than Burn. As far as i know an Exact Image is ripped then Burned to the blank media giving me a true Duplicate. What im having a hard time understanding is why are we spending soo much time altering the ISO and Splitting The Layers(Changing Stuff). Is there not a way to Rip Information off a xbox 360 DvD Exactly as it is on the disk & Reburning The Unaltered ISO to the New Disk? wouldnt this eliminate any needs for stealth patching or even a firmware mod?
Prehaps I dont understand how an ISO Works?
Heres my comprehencion of an ISO (laymens or my best attempt to put my thoughts in words)
An ISO Is an Image - Literly a image (very complex imaged but none the less)
So the way i think of in iso to make it easly understandable is to immagin an xbox 360 game is a Peice of paper with a buncha writting on it. If i wanted to copy that peice of paper and all of its contents i would simply scan<(Rip it) it and print it <(burn it) it on another identical peice of paper<(+R Dvd DL). This would give me an Exact copy!
All these programs have been written to make a game look identical to its original copy, why are they even nessary. when you rip a ISO off a Game are you not Creating an EXACT Digital Copy of the Disk?
why cant we just burn the Ripped Iso Dirrectly from the original without altering it......?
I also think if we could create exact duplicats of disks would F/W Mods even be nessary?
Please Excuse my newbie Question.
Im Great With F/w Mods and Have A very deep understanding of F/W Mods But my Knowlage is not so extencive on the ripping/ Burning methods.
School Me If You Will!
Thanks for reading
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 25, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Hellsgremlin @ Nov 25 2009, 02:33 PM)
(Im confused about all the Layer L0- And L1- Stuff)
When I want to make a copy Of a Movie or a CD I simply Put it in my Drive Press RIP Than Burn. As far as i know an Exact Image is ripped then Burned to the blank media giving me a true Duplicate. What im having a hard time understanding is why are we spending soo much time altering the ISO and Splitting The Layers(Changing Stuff). Is there not a way to Rip Information off a xbox 360 DvD Exactly as it is on the disk & Reburning The Unaltered ISO to the New Disk? wouldnt this eliminate any needs for stealth patching or even a firmware mod?
My understanding of it is this: An xbox disc is not like a normal DVD, it has special Security Sectors. These security sectors and the game data itself is 'invisible' to normal DVD drives in PCs, which is why when you put a 360 game disc in a normal PC drive you can only explore the video partition. To rip games you need either a Kreon flashed DVD drive or a 360 drive in 0800 mode, as these are the only drives that enable software like xbox backup creator to 'see' the game data and security files.
As for your second point about not needing a F/W mod to play 1:1 copies, it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. The XEX of the game has a 'media flag', if this media flag is set to DVD-ROM then the console will refuse to execute it on any other media, therefore when the 360 sees that the XEX is on a DVD-R it won't boot the game. The modded firmware basically tricks the 360 into seeing DVD-R discs as original factory pressed DVD-ROM discs, thus allowing it to execute the XEX.
Remember the infamous 'kiosk disc' that was bootable even on non-modded consoles? That was because the media flag wasn't set in the XEX.
This post has been edited by DrexeL_UK: Nov 25 2009, 04:17 PM
Post by: overfiendx on November 25, 2009, 09:24:00 AM
Sorry if these are noob questions, but I have read this entire thread and am still slightly confused.
1. Will Kreon drives still be OK to use? (If I want to use the backup on LIVE.)
2. I'm assuming that since LT will do away with all checks, that all backups (correct or not) will run on LT FW. Is this correct? (Any incorrect backups would of course only be "safe" if you do not play them on LIVE.) Basically just wanting to know if any current backups correct or not will have trouble running on LT. I don't play on LIVE so have no concern there.
3. Since I have no concern with LIVE should I...
A) Wait for LT (just to be up to date)
B) Use an older FW with no wave or stealth checks.
I just want to get away from the activate.iso for my Lite-On drives.
Kinda off topic but my Sammy drive is having trouble with L4D2 on iX 1.61.
I have a "1:1" backup and one that is patched to wave3. Both work just fine on 3 Lite-ons on iX 1.60, but do not work at all on my Sammy using iX 1.61 it just refuses to play either. I use the activate.iso with the "1:1" copy as it is wave 5.
Any ideas what the problem might be?
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 25 2009, 05:27 PM
Post by: Redline99 on November 25, 2009, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: overfiendx on November 25, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
QUOTE(DrexeL_UK @ Nov 25 2009, 10:12 AM)
My understanding of it is this: An xbox disc is not like a normal DVD, it has special Security Sectors. These security sectors and the game data itself is 'invisible' to normal DVD drives in PCs, which is why when you put a 360 game disc in a normal PC drive you can only explore the video partition. To rip games you need either a Kreon flashed DVD drive or a 360 drive in 0800 mode, as these are the only drives that enable software like xbox backup creator to 'see' the game data and security files.
As for your second point about not needing a F/W mod to play 1:1 copies, it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. The XEX of the game has a 'media flag', if this media flag is set to DVD-ROM then the console will refuse to execute it on any other media, therefore when the 360 sees that the XEX is on a DVD-R it won't boot the game. The modded firmware basically tricks the 360 into seeing DVD-R discs as original factory pressed DVD-ROM discs, thus allowing it to execute the XEX.
Remember the infamous 'kiosk disc' that was bootable even on non-modded consoles? That was because the media flag wasn't set in the XEX.
This brings any interesting question to mind especially the kiosk disk.
Why has the scene not looked into editing the Media Check on disks?
I remember for the PS2 you could shrink a game image and change the media check from DVD to CD so you could put the smaller image on a CD instead of a DVD. Could we not just change the media check from DVD-ROM to DVD-R? (actually think we would need DVD+R DL but that is not the point.) Could that not be a step around the FW modding? I'm not real sure what all the TOC disk (any original PS2 disk (CD or DVD depending on backup) of the same size or bigger) had to do with this and booting this media on a PS2, but if it would lead to stock FW booting backups then FW modding would be no concern and MS would only get factory responses from the drive. I think a boot disk would be a good compromise to be able to keep stock FW on the drive, but if this kiosk disk thing is true there may be ways to do without. All just some quick thoughts that ran through my head, IDK the answers or if I'm even anywhere in the ball park, but maybe someone here can shed some light on this.
Post by: caster420 on November 25, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
QUOTE(overfiendx @ Nov 25 2009, 11:56 AM)
This brings any interesting question to mind especially the kiosk disk.
Why has the scene not looked into editing the Media Check on disks?
I remember for the PS2 you could shrink a game image and change the media check from DVD to CD so you could put the smaller image on a CD instead of a DVD. Could we not just change the media check from DVD-ROM to DVD-R? (actually think we would need DVD+R DL but that is not the point.) Could that not be a step around the FW modding? I'm not real sure what all the TOC disk (any original PS2 disk (CD or DVD depending on backup) of the same size or bigger) had to do with this and booting this media on a PS2, but if it would lead to stock FW booting backups then FW modding would be no concern and MS would only get factory responses from the drive. I think a boot disk would be a good compromise to be able to keep stock FW on the drive, but if this kiosk disk thing is true there may be ways to do without. All just some quick thoughts that ran through my head, IDK the answers or if I'm even anywhere in the ball park, but maybe someone here can shed some light on this.
As you would not be able to resign the xex after making the changes, it would not boot. Hence, firmware modification.
Caster.
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 25, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(overfiendx @ Nov 25 2009, 04:56 PM)
This brings any interesting question to mind especially the kiosk disk.
Why has the scene not looked into editing the Media Check on disks?
As soon as you change the media flag of the XEX you break the digital signature. No digital signature = dashboard refuses to execute the XEX.
EDIT: Beaten like a ginger step child (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
This post has been edited by DrexeL_UK: Nov 25 2009, 06:10 PM
Post by: overfiendx on November 25, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(DrexeL_UK @ Nov 25 2009, 12:08 PM)
Sounds kinky. LOL
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 25 2009, 06:29 PM
Post by: mat82284 on November 25, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(tweakthings @ Nov 24 2009, 08:04 PM)
Good thing I always have SplidVid and I am not banned yet. I am staying off LIVE though.
You'll be banned soon enough. I havnt been online since August 20th and my system updated when i played a real copy of modern warefare 2. I never went online, I also made sure every backup had split vid. I decided to check to see if i was banned, so i turned took my hard drive off, created a new account tried logging in and BAM! I got the modified console message. Again I've never been on live once (cable was unplugged, and i barley played it) Since August 20th (I asked my friend to look at my live account to see last login). I logged in once Novemeber 20th and as soon as i connected i was already banned. Its just like everyone says, you may think your safe and that's just because you never logged into live. It'll hit everyone eventually.
Its up to you on what you decide, and i hate to say this but either way you will be banned, unless you havnt been on live for a year. Who's to really say what update started storing data to be sent in to Microsoft.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 25, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
I think the actual logging of games has gone on for ages, but the bannings have only started recently (along with logging and quick bans too).
This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Nov 26 2009, 01:29 AM
Post by: wyldstallions on November 25, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: smiley2billion on November 25, 2009, 08:23:00 PM
QUOTE(wyldstallions @ Nov 26 2009, 01:36 AM)
Hope this firmware is out by christmas!!
I should mention that I have no idea when it'll actually be out, but I thought it would have really be fitting to bring it out on the 4th birthday of the 360, as a big "F U" to microsoft, but oh well. I'm guessing the Wave 5 discovered on L4D2 delayed it by a bit.
Oh well, I've got my PS3 to keep me company until this is all sorted out.
Keep up the good work firmware teams!
Post by: mat82284 on November 25, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 25 2009, 04:28 PM)
Mat, my friend had a similar scenario. Hadn't been on live in months, played one of the latest games, went to log in (I asked him to, he has no interest in Live) and BAM, banned.
I think the actual logging of games has gone on for ages, but the bannings have only started recently (along with logging and quick bans too).
Yeah, i also had a friend who hasnt played backups in 5 months since he gets them from me and he's been lazy to get me to copy them. We'll anyways he's just been using his originals for 5 months and he was also banned. It looks like microsoft new how to detect them and probably new this back in march, so they started recording for a long time and figured to ban everyone near Modern Warfare to to up there sales. M$ is an Ass for this! They knew if they banned people earlier C4 would have made a new firmware and M$ would have lost sales on MW2. But I'm sure it wouldnt have been much, maybe .05%
I bought the game, and now i cant even play it. I'm not buying a new xbox m$ can kiss my booty. I'm swapping xbox's with my friend soon though.
This post has been edited by mat82284: Nov 26 2009, 04:48 AM
Post by: overfiendx on November 25, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I have found statements elsewhere that say all games ripped (old or new) with an 0800 drive report a SSv2 and all rips from a Kreon report SSv1. They claimed that this is just a function of the FW for ripping. All SSv2 is, is more stored responses to types 5 and 7, the timing related ones. They are not part of the original SS.bins. SSv2 is a feature of the 0800 firmware and not something that's specific to particular games.
SSv2 appears to be a more precise ripping method and not a type of game disc security.
So what are your thoughts? Is this correct? Is ripping with a Kreon still OK?
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 26 2009, 06:47 AM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 25, 2009, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: wyldstallions on November 26, 2009, 02:30:00 AM
The security checks MS runs on the disks which report back a number of angles. In tests someone has done ssv2 has a lot more angles. However if you rip using the kreon it only uses 1 angle. Thus the backup is easily detectable.
The only way around this at the moment is to use and actual xbox 360 drive flashed with the 0800 firmware. This will correctly backup the ssv2.
At the moment though it seems a bit unclear what games are ssv2, or if MS is even calling the ssv2 info.
If your already banned then its academic unless you intend at some point to reconnect to live using backups, then you want to use an 0800 drive from this point on or wait until revised kreon firmware comes out.
ssv2 is not a function of the 0800 firmware just it will back it up correctly if its there.
Post by: Muzzakus on November 26, 2009, 04:47:00 AM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 26, 2009, 05:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Nov 26 2009, 12:47 PM)
Are kreon drives physically incapable of ripping ssv2, or can we possible hope for a firmware update?
Since a Kreon drive is not a 360 drive, probably not, but I don't know much about what is needed to rip SSv2. Since kreon has not been updated in quite some time, we probably will never know.
Post by: overfiendx on November 26, 2009, 07:15:00 AM
QUOTE(wyldstallions @ Nov 26 2009, 04:30 AM)
The current version of the kreon firmware doesn't handle ssv2 properly.
The security checks MS runs on the disks which report back a number of angles. In tests someone has done ssv2 has a lot more angles. However if you rip using the kreon it only uses 1 angle. Thus the backup is easily detectable.
The only way around this at the moment is to use and actual xbox 360 drive flashed with the 0800 firmware. This will correctly backup the ssv2.
At the moment though it seems a bit unclear what games are ssv2, or if MS is even calling the ssv2 info.
If your already banned then its academic unless you intend at some point to reconnect to live using backups, then you want to use an 0800 drive from this point on or wait until revised kreon firmware comes out.
ssv2 is not a function of the 0800 firmware just it will back it up correctly if its there.
From what I found and what I'm starting to believe is that, NO games have SSv2 info on them. There is no such thing as an SSv2 disk. SSV2 is only an additional security sector to ensure backups appear as close to originals as possible. The security sector is "scene" created and used to store challenge response data.
QUOTE
Part of the response to Challenge Types 24 and 25 (Response Types 7 and 5) is a rotational angle between 2 sectors on an original disc. The host's CCRT (which abgx360 decrypts) contains the target angles that would occur on a perfectly mastered disc when read by a perfect drive. There is also a value in the CCRT which only occurs for Challenge Types 24 and 25 that appears to specify the maximum deviation for a given angle. Currently all Xbox 360 games have the same angles (1, 91, 181, 271) and maximum deviation (+/-15). This is a copy protection system based on the fact that we cannot control the location of physical sectors on our backups, and our angles would be hugely different compared to an original. This is a fine protection as long as you can trust the drive firmware to make the actual measurement instead of simply replaying a previous response, which is what hacked firmware does. The default setting in abgx360 is to adjust the replay angles (which only hacked firmwares can see and use) that deviate more than 3 degrees back to their CCRT target values because in real world testing on a normal drive, up to 2 degrees of deviation is quite normal and deviation greater than 3 on any game is rare and could be suspicous (although it's very common to have high deviation on a dying or worn out drive). Alternatively, (paranoid scenario) a game could be intentionally mastered with a deviation far from its CCRT target and adjusting it to the target value would also be suspicious... although this would potentially cause problems for disc authentication on legitimate unmodified drives.
I have read where folks rip old games like King Kong and get SSv2 when done with a 0800 drive. if this is some NEW form of security then why does it show up on older games?
It is just that 0800 drives provide additional angles. And Kreon uses more than one angle, just look at an abgx360 log it reports more than one angle or look at the quote above from ABGX.
I don't think MS calls it anything as I believe it is a function of the 0800 FW not MS implemented. Again rip an old game say lost planet with 0800 and I bet you get SSv2. How is this possible if it is not a function of the 0800 FW?
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 26 2009, 03:32 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 26, 2009, 07:21:00 AM
QUOTE(overfiendx @ Nov 26 2009, 03:15 PM)
From what I found and what I'm starting to believe is that, NO games have SSv2 info on them. There is no such thing as an SSv2 disk. I have read where folks rip old games like King Kong and get SSv2 when done with a 0800 drive. if this is some NEW form of security then why does it show up on older games? It is just that 0800 drives provide additional angles. And Kreon uses more than one angle, just look at an abgx360 log it reports more than one angle. I don't think MS calls it anything as I believe it is a function of the 0800 FW not MS implemented. Again rip an old game say lost planet with 0800 and I bet you get SSv2. How is this possible if it is not a function of the 0800 FW?
I thought that Kreon drives use preset angles and apply a small jitter to them, which can sometimes give the infamous 359 degree angle. 0800 drives take an actual reading and take it more than once to make sure it is an accurate angle.
Is this wrong?
Post by: popemic on November 26, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
This post has been edited by popemic: Nov 26 2009, 03:36 PM
Post by: overfiendx on November 26, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
@popemic
No LT will not solve new Lite-on drives. The scene is still trying to get a solid dump of the keys. Without the drive key any new FW is useless.
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 26 2009, 03:39 PM
Post by: john2185 on November 26, 2009, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: overfiendx on November 26, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(john2185 @ Nov 26 2009, 10:36 AM)
what if you have to drives one with ix and one stock and just switch drive when you get online
That would work, but would be kinda cumbersome having to open the XBOX to switch drives every time you want on LIVE. Would be better to just have two boxes instead. Would eliminate the backups all together as the stock drive/box needs pressed disks.
This post has been edited by overfiendx: Nov 26 2009, 05:28 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 26, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(overfiendx @ Nov 26 2009, 05:21 PM)
That would work, but would be kinda cumbersome having to open the XBOX to switch drives every time you want on LIVE. Would be better to just have two boxes instead. Would eliminate the backups all together as the stock drive/box needs pressed disks.
I thought Team-xecuter was coming out with an external drive switcher that would allow you to have a stock drive inside the 360 and a hacked one as an external.
Still waiting for it.
For myself, I am not modifying the stock Lite-on. I am going to purchase a separate Lite-on to mod and still keep the stock one incase of MS cracking down again.
EDIT: Found the page. It is called the xDrive and should be released sometime in December.
Here is the link:
xDrive
This post has been edited by ccfman2004: Nov 26 2009, 05:28 PM
Post by: Analyzer52 on November 26, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE
External Drive[/url]e='Nov 26 2009, 11:25 AM' post='4576872']
I thought Team-xecuter was coming out with an external drive switcher that would allow you to have a stock drive inside the 360 and a hacked one as an external.
Still waiting for it.
For myself, I am not modifying the stock Lite-on. I am going to purchase a separate Lite-on to mod and still keep the stock one incase of MS cracking down again.
EDIT: Found the page. It is called the xDrive and should be released sometime in December.
Here is the link:
xDrive
I thought Team-xecuter was coming out with an external drive switcher that would allow you to have a stock drive inside the 360 and a hacked one as an external.
Still waiting for it.
For myself, I am not modifying the stock Lite-on. I am going to purchase a separate Lite-on to mod and still keep the stock one incase of MS cracking down again.
EDIT: Found the page. It is called the xDrive and should be released sometime in December.
Here is the link:
xDrive
It's out I saw it on one of the mod websites can't remember which one looks like an hd dvd drive.
Edit: Just saw you added the link as I was posting up.
This post has been edited by Analyzer52: Nov 26 2009, 05:34 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 26, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Analyzer52 @ Nov 26 2009, 05:34 PM)
It's out I saw it on one of the mod websites can't remember which one looks like an hd dvd drive.
Edit: Just saw you added the link as I was posting up.
I hope they make a black case to match the elites.
Post by: Analyzer52 on November 26, 2009, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 26 2009, 11:37 AM)
I hope they make a black case to match the elites.
Me too that was my same thought.
Post by: PerfectCell on November 26, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
But now what is the use as most people who have drives where the key can be extracted and want to mod can get it modded
But for unmoddable drives the key still cannot be extracted so no working firmware can be put into the xDrive to allow backups to boot!
However I may be wrong as I read once that a non 360 sata drive was flashed with the original 360 firmware and could boot backups, perhaps its something to do with the laser I dont know
If anyone could find the article about the sata drive flashed with stock firmware it may help out
Post by: zainday on November 26, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
Trying to find out about the firmware and the last two pages contain...
Kreon ripping
Bannings
SSv2 concepts
and now xdrives
Can you please stay on topic or start new posts PLEASE!
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 26, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
As for me mentioning the xDrives. I only mentioned it for people who have not modded their stock drive and would like to keep it stock while having a separate external drive for backups since someone mentioned about using the stock drive for retail discs and the modified drive for backups and he was not interested in have to keep opening the 360 to keep switching drives.
This post has been edited by ccfman2004: Nov 26 2009, 07:47 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 26, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE
TeamJungle
Performing tests!
Performing tests!
Post by: Wompa164 on November 26, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Reading that gave me goosebumps, I hope iXtreme LT is drawing near!!
Post by: HaredX on November 26, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: XmdawgX on November 26, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
Althought I've been in that same position as them before. Having information/data that no one else does. They're just trying to keep us all happy, but in the end it just pisses everyone off. I learned the hard way the first time... My project ended up getting stolen and leaked...
Post by: T3XA5360R3B3L on November 26, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
it was the fucking stealth checks done by the firmware that got people banned..
still running 1.41 non-stealth 12x for BenQ and still haven't been banned..
got another console running xtreme 5.3 for Samsung and it's not been banned either..
all backups have been passed with ABGX and Splitvid passed..
the only way Microshit is going to win is if they make a once programmable TSOP. Once flashed with original firmware that's it.. no other writes to it.. Make it a proprietary PROM that can't be bought anywhere else.
They want their consoles to be hackable.. it sells more units..
Post by: Th3_Burn3r on November 26, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(T3XA5360R3B3L @ Nov 26 2009, 11:37 PM)
the only way Microshit is going to win is if they make a once programmable TSOP. Once flashed with original firmware that's it.. no other writes to it.. Make it a proprietary PROM that can't be bought anywhere else.
They want their consoles to be hackable.. it sells more units..
EXACTLY
Post by: Lord_Vader on November 26, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
QUOTE(T3XA5360R3B3L @ Nov 26 2009, 11:37 PM)
They want their consoles to be hackable.. it sells more units..
No, they don't. The total production costs of the console are higher then the price they are selling it for. They make their profit from the games.
Microsoft sells their console for a low price --> many people buy that console --> many people have to buy games from Microsoft --> Microsoft makes profit.
Them wanting the console to be hackable, doesn't fit in there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
This post has been edited by Lord_Vader: Nov 27 2009, 12:05 AM
Post by: T3XA5360R3B3L on November 26, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Lord_Vader @ Nov 26 2009, 05:05 PM)
No, they don't. The total production costs of the console are higher then the price they are selling it for. They make their profit from the games.
Microsoft sells their console for a low price --> many people buy that console --> many people have to buy games from Microsoft --> Microsoft makes profit.
Them wanting the console to be hackable, doesn't fit in there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
I call bullshit on your theory.. how do you know Microsoft loses money on each console?? Must have been the sob story that Microsoft public relations put out..
Microsoft would lose money if they made the consoles in America and it cost the consumer $800+ per unit., but M$ makes their consoles in communist china with parts made in china, and southeast asia. Their labor costs are fucking dirt cheap. You can buy a new 360 for under $200 now..
as for making money in the games.. Microsoft doesn't make the games.. they get the money from the licensing fees from the game developers.. just like how they get money from the PC makers that put Microsoft operating systems on their PCs. If piracy was so bad for the industry, why haven't you seen game developers going out of business?? Every goddamn month there's new titles that come out.. The game developers get paid well in advance before the games ever hits the shelves..
If Microsoft really wanted to stop the hacking of their firmware, they could have solved this from day one. Sony doesn't have the problem that Microsoft has.. Their PS3 has yet to be hacked with BlueRay code to play backed up games.. And BlueRay burners and media are cheap enough now to condone it..
This post has been edited by T3XA5360R3B3L: Nov 27 2009, 12:24 AM
Post by: Grumbledock on November 26, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(T3XA5360R3B3L @ Nov 27 2009, 01:21 AM)
If piracy was so bad for the industry, why haven't you seen game developers going out of business?? Every goddamn month there's new titles that come out.. The game developers get paid well in advance before the games ever hits the shelves..
Seen lots of developers go out of buisness, pandemic, grin, ascaron and many more. Piracy will never make as much money as it will steal (no license-money to MS). And the game-developers tend to use their money on other projects, and if they get cancelled, there out of buisness...
Post by: Toddler on November 26, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(T3XA5360R3B3L @ Nov 26 2009, 05:21 PM)
they get the money from the licensing fees from the game developers
Right on, and it has been a huge feather in Microsoft's cap to have such a lead in console sales over Sony. That gave them the advantage with game developers for a long time. In order to own that lead, they were willing to lose money on the hardware for a long time, although I don't think that's the case anymore.
Post by: bootstrapbill on November 26, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
What were they doing before?
Post by: Toddler on November 26, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 26 2009, 08:21 AM)
I thought that Kreon drives use preset angles and apply a small jitter to them, which can sometimes give the infamous 359 degree angle. 0800 drives take an actual reading and take it more than once to make sure it is an accurate angle.
Is this wrong?
You're right that Kreon uses preset angles, but your conclusion is incorrect. The issue was a disc angle calculation error in iXtreme firmware that was fixed long ago. It affected Kreon and 0800 rips alike, although less often with 0800 rips due to the jitter differences.
Post by: T3XA5360R3B3L on November 26, 2009, 08:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Grumbledock @ Nov 26 2009, 06:16 PM)
Seen lots of developers go out of buisness, pandemic, grin, ascaron and many more. Piracy will never make as much money as it will steal (no license-money to MS). And the game-developers tend to use their money on other projects, and if they get cancelled, there out of buisness...
they didn't go out of business because of piracy.. they went out of business because the greedy fuckers at the top needed to trim their budgets so they can have more money for themselves during this economic crisis we are currently in..
companies across the board are going out of business because funding has stopped from the banks. When companies can't borrow money to meet payroll expectations, they cut their workforce. The non-productive types (ie: managers, executives, ceos, etc.) don't give two shits about killing peoples jobs.. If it saves their asses, so be it..
fuck buying games or consoles.. go buy gold or silver.. gold soon to cross $1200 an ounce...
Post by: NBA2K10 on November 26, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: mat82284 on November 26, 2009, 10:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 26 2009, 08:25 AM)
I thought Team-xecuter was coming out with an external drive switcher that would allow you to have a stock drive inside the 360 and a hacked one as an external.
Still waiting for it.
For myself, I am not modifying the stock Lite-on. I am going to purchase a separate Lite-on to mod and still keep the stock one incase of MS cracking down again.
EDIT: Found the page. It is called the xDrive and should be released sometime in December.
Here is the link:
xDrive
This device is useless. The system records data and sends it to live once you connect. Swapping drives does nothing to protect you from that. Its not like the xbox 1 where you could swap firmware on the system its self. The Information is being held within the motherboard somewhere and no matter what you do if you run a modified firmware on your system and it gets detected you will get banned. Best investment is another arcade unit.
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 26 2009, 10:46 AM)
When the new iXtreme LT get some new news, I'm sure it will be on the front page.
As for me mentioning the xDrives. I only mentioned it for people who have not modded their stock drive and would like to keep it stock while having a separate external drive for backups since someone mentioned about using the stock drive for retail discs and the modified drive for backups and he was not interested in have to keep opening the 360 to keep switching drives.
Again useless. Keeping your lit-on in retail condition does nothing if the other drive somehow becomes detectable and then gets stored into your xbox.
I know this is true. I have an xbox360 that was banned with the old August update. I barley ever played it, never played online much and it never logged into live till 11/18. As soon as i connected it asked me to update, I refused. Then the xbox tried to connect to live again and i got the banned message. I'm assuming they wanted me to update my dash so my xbox screws up my profile and saves, but i got lucky and it didn't happen. I can still play games on the hard drive even though i was banned.
Post by: gizmodesigns on November 27, 2009, 01:25:00 AM
That is why I prefer xbox over the Sony and so do many of other.
M$ are now making money, because they had large expenses to cover releasing the 360 and to extending the warranty (remember?).
They must not approve piracy( aka booting up backups) they would look bad if they did.(BSA)
If they wanted to make 360 plracy prone they could easily do it. But the sales would drop and PS3 would win.
About the profit, shore there is some, because they are still producing the xbox's now aren't they? They might have covered some loss from other divisions that M$ has, but they are definitely having some profit now.
I believe that manufacturing price for xbox now is below 50$, do the math.
Shore they do some profit on licensing games, but who doesn't(this does not count you).
Anyway we can expect the drop of xbox sales when PS3 will become moddable. So cheers to the scene and TJ and c4!
Just to get you laughing conspiracy sh..t-
c4 is M$ to keep the sails going.. : )
Post by: gizmodesigns on November 27, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
Just to get you laughing conspiracy sh..t-
c4 is M$ to keep the sales going.. : )
Post by: sandeman22 on November 27, 2009, 05:22:00 AM
Post by: Havok on November 27, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
In other words stop the BS!!!!
Post by: Hellsgremlin on November 27, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
ThANKS TJ
Post by: sini on November 27, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
"Making adjustments to performance data, more testing!"
Hmm I wasn't expecting that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by sini: Nov 27 2009, 09:17 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 27, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(sini @ Nov 27 2009, 03:17 PM)
Team Jungle:
"Making adjustments to performance data, more testing!"
Hmm I wasn't expecting that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I been fallowing these tweets too. Sounds a bunch of BS to me. I guess they are just posting things to let everyone know things are coming along nicely.
Post by: HaredX on November 27, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: tornadog on November 27, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
"found poop in pants...needs more tasting"
Post by: xbox360sexual on February 02, 2020, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(HaredX @ Nov 27 2009, 09:19 PM)
Another new informative post from TeamJungle, still testing!! Who would have thought!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: t0m on November 27, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
thanks team <3
"made kool-aid : testing."
"kool-aid is fruity"
"thirst: quenched"
Post by: _neil_ on February 02, 2020, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 27 2009, 10:06 PM)
Latest tweet:
"found poop in pants...needs more tasting"
fck me reading that made me spit coffee all over me pc screen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
on a positive note keep up the good work TJ
Post by: alan_poh on November 27, 2009, 07:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Lord_Vader @ Nov 27 2009, 01:05 AM)
No, they don't. The total production costs of the console are higher then the price they are selling it for. They make their profit from the games.
Microsoft sells their console for a low price --> many people buy that console --> many people have to buy games from Microsoft --> Microsoft makes profit.
Them wanting the console to be hackable, doesn't fit in there.
well....but microsoft isnt selling only consoles....they sell Live fucking points, they sell wireless gamepads, they sell a lot of other equipment for the xbox 360....
would love to see how much money they took for selling only Live codes....
Post by: tonybologna on February 03, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 27 2009, 05:06 PM)
Latest tweet:
"found poop in pants...needs more tasting"
ROFL tornadog......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)
This post has been edited by tonybologna: Yesterday, 06:53 PM
Post by: old_soul on February 03, 2020, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(AnimeCommander @ Nov 24 2009, 03:51 PM)
Skimmed this thread and am disappointed. All this effort to stay on Live and hide. Forget it. I just want a firmware that will play the games. I'm tired of having to recheck everything I've done to make some new firmware happy. People were content to keep their Xbox offline when modded, why can't you do the same with the dang 360?
Achievements
Post by: vildzek on November 28, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: modslave on November 28, 2009, 06:22:00 PM
QUOTE(t0m @ Nov 28 2009, 12:26 AM)
"made kool-aid : testing."
"kool-aid is fruity"
"thirst: quenched"
Snigger out loud (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: rwcottrell on November 28, 2009, 09:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Meethatguy @ Nov 23 2009, 04:41 PM)
All I see here is a big
"Oops, we didnt have a fix for something simple that we didnt think MS would check"
Now granted I would never have the attention span to make a firmware... But I would think that if something is made a certain way.... dont you think the modified version should read it the same exact way?
Funny to think all of us that were banned, were banned because of a simple thing as a video file not properly partitioned on a 2 layer disc....
its kinda crummy to say but in a way he is right.however im sure he hasnt paid one cent to use any custom firmware teamixtreme has developed so he is kinda wrong to be griping.
Post by: t0m on November 28, 2009, 10:05:00 PM
QUOTE(rwcottrell @ Nov 29 2009, 05:55 AM)
its kinda crummy to say but in a way he is right.however im sure he hasnt paid one cent to use any custom firmware teamixtreme has developed so he is kinda wrong to be griping.
they also have never ever claimed that ixtreme was 100% safe from bans, and always warned us that it was our risk to take. people seem to forget that after getting away with it for so long.
false sense of security does not equal security.
Post by: halleluia on November 29, 2009, 04:49:00 AM
Extra code implemented to accommodate unforseen scenario,tested successfully!
Seriously? Just give out the damn ETA..No need for tweets lol
Post by: tripkip on November 29, 2009, 05:12:00 AM
Then I verified the disc in my drive, my question: where can I see in the console window if my burned disc has splitvid?
(IMG:http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8434/vmwarefusion.png)
Is CRC checking really crucial after all the security checks?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
Post by: OggyUK on November 29, 2009, 05:15:00 AM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Nov 29 2009, 11:49 AM)
Seriously? Just give out the damn ETA..No need for tweets lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
This is why if I could write f/w I wouldnt release it.
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 29, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Nov 29 2009, 11:49 AM)
Just give out the damn ETA.
There is no ETA.
I for one am happy for the tweets, rather that than hearing nothing at all.
Honestly, the way some people behave astounds me, you people act like the world fucking owes you something. It's not like a game and there is a release date. It'll be ready when it's ready, just be thankfull we are getting updates and know things are progressing, stop bitching and acting like spoiled brats, stamping your feet and demanding ETAs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
This post has been edited by DrexeL_UK: Nov 29 2009, 01:20 PM
Post by: legssmit on November 29, 2009, 05:25:00 AM
QUOTE(tripkip @ Nov 29 2009, 01:12 PM)
So I selected "" under the Misc tab.
Then I verified the disc in my drive, my question: where can I see in the console window if my burned disc has splitvid?
(IMG:http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8434/vmwarefusion.png)
Is CRC checking really crucial after all the security checks?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
CRC checking is recommended...and the splitvid check is after the CRC checking, just be patient (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: tripkip on November 29, 2009, 05:31:00 AM
QUOTE(legssmit @ Nov 29 2009, 01:25 PM)
CRC checking is recommended...and the splitvid check is after the CRC checking, just be patient (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Thx man, I just saw it :-p
First two games -> no splitvid
Shiaaat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: jameswalker on November 29, 2009, 06:38:00 AM
QUOTE
Extra code implemented to accommodate unforseen scenario,tested successfully!
well i guess that's good...
Post by: newt420 on November 29, 2009, 07:33:00 AM
QUOTE(T3XA5360R3B3L @ Nov 26 2009, 11:37 PM)
reading over all the replies to this thread, I swear most if not all the posts all sound like people that have been brain damaged by drinking all those energy drinks filled with aspartame..
it was the fu**ing stealth checks done by the firmware that got people banned..
still running 1.41 non-stealth 12x for BenQ and still haven't been banned..
got another console running xtreme 5.3 for Samsung and it's not been banned either..
all backups have been passed with ABGX and Splitvid passed..
the only way Microshit is going to win is if they make a once programmable TSOP. Once flashed with original firmware that's it.. no other writes to it.. Make it a proprietary PROM that can't be bought anywhere else.
They want their consoles to be hackable.. it sells more units..
Have you played a lot on live? Can you register your console for a repair? I would like a little more info to know for sure it was stealth checks that caused the bans. Does anyone know if the 1.61 will play splitvid disc or if you can play wave 4 discs using 1.41 non stealth? If the firmware is non stealth it should play any wave disc right?
This post has been edited by newt420: Nov 29 2009, 04:21 PM
Post by: brain27 on November 29, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
Even if i am i'll never sign into xbl to find out.
Post by: Syn201 on November 29, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(tripkip @ Nov 29 2009, 02:12 PM)
So I selected "" under the Misc tab.
Then I verified the disc in my drive, my question: where can I see in the console window if my burned disc has splitvid?
(IMG:http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8434/vmwarefusion.png)
Is CRC checking really crucial after all the security checks?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
yeah if dont run the crc check your game could have countless erorrs or the any dvd style ones only takes couple mins to run so may well do it..
QUOTE(newt420 @ Nov 29 2009, 04:33 PM)
Have you played a lot on live? Can you register your console for a repair? I would like a little more info to know for sure it was stealth checks that caused the bans. Does anyone know if the 1.61 will play splitvid disc or if you can play wave 4 discs using 1.41 non stealth? If the firmware is non stealth it should play any wave disc right?
pretty much the only thing that could of got people banned was the unneeded stealth checks which where intended i believe to keep idiots safe who didn't check there disks
no one could of known at the time that this would happen mind and it is nobody fault but mine that i got ban in first place no body made me mod my xbox ..
Post by: jimbo70 on November 29, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(DrexeL_UK @ Nov 29 2009, 07:17 AM)
There is no ETA.
I for one am happy for the tweets, rather that than hearing nothing at all.
Honestly, the way some people behave astounds me, you people act like the world fucking owes you something. It's not like a game and there is a release date. It'll be ready when it's ready, just be thankfull we are getting updates and know things are progressing, stop bitching and acting like spoiled brats, stamping your feet and demanding ETAs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Exactly. At least we know they're working on it & making progress with it. I for one think that as time goes on they're getting a better idea of what checks are being done and figuring out how to get around them correctly. I'm anxiously awaiting this new firmware but would rather they take a couple extra days to make sure it's right (or right until MS changes their checks at least). I'm not big on opening my console every couple weeks to update my firmware, could explain why I still have v1.41 on my BenQ.
Post by: newboxflash on November 29, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(jimbo70 @ Nov 29 2009, 05:49 PM)
Exactly. At least we know they're working on it & making progress with it. I for one think that as time goes on they're getting a better idea of what checks are being done and figuring out how to get around them correctly. I'm anxiously awaiting this new firmware but would rather they take a couple extra days to make sure it's right (or right until MS changes their checks at least). I'm not big on opening my console every couple weeks to update my firmware, could explain why I still have v1.41 on my BenQ.
i agree but at 1st they had 3 machines running certain f/w it would be nice to see what failed and what didnt ok M£$ read the forum but its nice for all us to have something to look forward to, after all are they still banning consoles ?? with old firmware or are you safe with an un banned unused on live console ??
the guys are doing great work i cant wait for LT (i really cant wait lol)
tweets from Jf are all good i guess we will know when they release the next Jungle we have have new firmware bring it on
Post by: Nailed on February 03, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(brain27 @ Nov 29 2009, 03:13 PM)
All my backups have splitvid on both layers. Does that man im sorta safe?
Even if i am i'll never sign into xbl to find out.
Do you have iXtreme LT? No? Then you're not any more safe.
Post by: Syn201 on February 03, 2020, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(brain27 @ Nov 29 2009, 05:13 PM)
All my backups have splitvid on both layers. Does that man im sorta safe?
Even if i am I'll never sign into xbl to find out.
sorry but if your not going on live then why would it matter what splitvid they have if you don't connect to live ie pull the fn net cable out then how in the blue hell would they ban you
i am aware that they put banned console ids on new game disks but how would yours be on it if it dosent connect to the net
if however you do plan to use live please wait for lt it may be a long wait some claim to already have it who are not testing it officially but they seem to typing alot of crap (more than me and i type alot of crap)
and run EVERY game you own threw abgx360 with the new correct settings yes this may take some time and maybe some more dvds
but i can guarantee you it will be cheaper then the new 360 will need when you get banned again should you chose not to follow my advice ..
Post by: rigger66 on November 29, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
If you do ?...... Then you are on cloud cuckoo land.
Let`s be honest here, The previous versions of the FW where so called undetectable
.This constant FW changing is a moneymaking racket for all the modders to line there pockets ,as the general Jo will think that LT will be the bees knees and want there newest models modded, thinking they are finally Safe.
But in all honesty, Nothing will ever be Prevent the box`s getting Banned .Peeps need to start realizing that this is all about mullar and not FW safety.
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 29, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: rigger66 on February 03, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 29 2009, 09:25 PM)
..and another troll. move along people, nothing to see here!
Yes move along please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: ste030 on February 03, 2020, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE
Extra code implemented to accommodate unforseen scenario,tested successfully!
from Team Jungle
Ste
Post by: deluxe247 on February 03, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(ste030 @ Nov 29 2009, 05:09 PM)
Lol, what does that even mean?
Post by: DrexeL_UK on February 03, 2020, 04:01:00 PM
QUOTE(rigger66 @ Nov 29 2009, 09:14 PM)
This constant FW changing is a moneymaking racket for all the modders to line there pockets ,as the general Jo will think that LT will be the bees knees and want there newest models modded, thinking they are finally Safe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) But in all honesty, Nothing will ever be Prevent the box`s getting Banned .
Peeps need to start realizing that this is all about mullar and not FW safety.
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Post by: bootstrapbill on November 29, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
"Extra code implemented to accommodate unforseen scenario,tested successfully!"
Guess it wasn't unforeseen then, now was it?
Post by: dokworm on February 03, 2020, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(bootstrapbill @ Nov 30 2009, 05:31 AM)
Another awesome update.
"Extra code implemented to accommodate unforseen scenario,tested successfully!"
Guess it wasn't unforeseen then, now was it?
It was the Spanish Inquisition.
Post by: wooby on November 30, 2009, 06:45:00 AM
Oops. I meant "make a backup of your original that you purchase at Gamestop so it doesn't get damaged". Because we all know that the VAST majority of the people dying to get a hacked firmware so they can meticulously disassemble their 360, hook it up to the PC and go through a very detailed software and hardware ritual... are just utterly INCAPABLE of caring for an original game disc without FUBAR-ing the ever-loving f#ck out of it.
Please...
This is a very simple choice to me:
1. Play offline and have lots of games.
2. Play on LIVE and have roughly 10-25% of those games, if that.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 30, 2009, 07:00:00 AM
The only reason I back up my games and play the backups is my fear of my xbox thinking I need some nice rings on my discs.
Since MS has obviously not done anything about it, I just want to protect my investment.
Post by: tornadog on November 30, 2009, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 30 2009, 03:00 PM)
The only reason I back up my games and play the backups is my fear of my xbox thinking I need some nice rings on my discs.
yeah right!!!
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 30, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 30 2009, 05:18 PM)
yeah right!!!
It happened to my friend.
Post by: wooby on November 30, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 30, 2009, 12:10:00 PM
First of all, I am not a pirate, plus my friend (the same one who's disc got scratch by his xbox 360), got a letter from his ISP because he downloaded a Sims game. I have told him countless time not download games illegally, of he does not listen to me.
I would rather buy originals games and save the legal fees.
A mother years ago was fined $20,000 because her daughter was downloading music illegally.
I don't have that kind of money to burn.
Post by: kipper2k on November 30, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
That's the nice thing about being able to rent a game. How many times have you bought a crap game based on all the hype and been stuck with the $70 piece of shit. Rent it, if its any good, buy it, if not then you are only out the cost of the rental
Post by: wooby on November 30, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(kipper2k @ Nov 30 2009, 08:17 PM)
That's the nice thing about being able to rent a game. How many times have you bought a crap game based on all the hype and been stuck with the $70 piece of shit. Rent it, if its any good, buy it, if not then you are only out the cost of the rental
What's even nicer is if you "know somebody" that has the correct PC drive (say, the Samsung SH-162C) with Kreon's firmware. Then you can rip and burn those rentals for the cost of rental plus blank disc, and in the process you'll circumvent the risk associated with being sued for copyright infringement for downloading a game...which, by the way, is less than the chance of me getting struck by lightning... in ccfman's mom's bed.
God, my friend is such a pirating b@stard. Why won't he stop?!? Oh yeah, now I remember. $60 multiplied by 105.
Post by: OneRicardo on November 30, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Sorry but i don't trust this people. The firmware until 1.6x were supposed to be undetectable also ...
Good luck to all. I have already decided what to do. One Xbox to backups and another one to play on xbox live only with originals.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 30, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: caster420 on November 30, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(OneRicardo @ Nov 30 2009, 03:54 PM)
Undetectable... LOL
Sorry but i don't trust this people. The firmware until 1.6x were supposed to be undetectable also ...
Good luck to all. I have already decided what to do. One Xbox to backups and another one to play on xbox live only with originals.
Sorry but i don't trust this people. The firmware until 1.6x were supposed to be undetectable also ...
Good luck to all. I have already decided what to do. One Xbox to backups and another one to play on xbox live only with originals.
It has always been stated, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. A risk with using modified firmware is being BANNED FROM XBOX-LIVE.
So blame others. You knew the risk, took the chance because the return was greater and until a month ago, reaped the benefits of it.
Caster.
Post by: CEpeep on November 30, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
QUOTE
LT is complete, more testing! 10 minutes ago from API
http://twitter.com/TeamJungle
Post by: Ranger72 on November 30, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(CEpeep @ Nov 30 2009, 05:08 PM)
http://twitter.com/TeamJungle
Maybe by the weekend we will have LT? Who knows. lol
Post by: newboxflash on November 30, 2009, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 30 2009, 10:16 PM)
Maybe by the weekend we will have LT? Who knows. lol
no live action on my new box so the sooner the better for me, not that ive got any games worth playing all done to death
good info keep it coming all
Post by: getro on November 30, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:16 PM)
Maybe by the weekend we will have LT? Who knows. lol
I hope but if more testing could do a better firmware I still wait
Not more secure (this is impossibile) only better.
Post by: RMF on November 30, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: rigger66 on November 30, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:25 PM)
It has always been stated, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. A risk with using modified firmware is being BANNED FROM XBOX-LIVE.
So blame others. You knew the risk, took the chance because the return was greater and until a month ago, reaped the benefits of it.
Caster.
Lol we all know(well most of us do) that altering the firmware brings the risk of a ban.......but what you fail to realize is that the guy or guy`s have in previous release`s on umpteen occasions have STATED that this time the firmware is undetectable...............
When they really don`t know .What they should say is not state the FW is stealthed and safe undetectable ect..ect..
Post by: getro on November 30, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(rigger66 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:24 PM)
Lol we all know(well most of us do) that altering the firmware brings the risk of a ban.......but what you fail to realize is that the guy or guy`s have in previous release`s on umpteen occasions have STATED that this time the firmware is undetectable...............
When they really don`t know .What they should say is not state the FW is stealthed and safe to use on live ect..ect..
I think that they was undectable before a system update.
So when the were relased they were realy secure.
Post by: [email protected] on November 30, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: rigger66 on November 30, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(getro @ Nov 30 2009, 10:32 PM)
I think that they was undectable before a system update.
So when the were relased they were realy secure.
If you read again what you have just wrote , you will then see what I mean.
QUOTE(getro @ Nov 30 2009, 10:32 PM)
I think
Can you see what I mean now...
Like I stated previous...it`s all a money making racket.....new FW generates more $$$$$$$$ plus for all concerned ..Microshit included
.... some peeps are to stupid or too blind to see this.No punt intended.
Post by: KIPPERMAN32 on November 30, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(rigger66 @ Dec 1 2009, 12:24 AM)
Lol we all know(well most of us do) that altering the firmware brings the risk of a ban.......but what you fail to realize is that the guy or guy`s have in previous release`s on umpteen occasions have STATED that this time the firmware is undetectable...............
When they really don`t know .What they should say is not state the FW is stealthed and safe undetectable ect..ect..
Bollox to the way its worded..thats just nit picking,,,we all know the implications if we mod our console and im sick to death of people moaning like fook when @ the end of the day WE GET THIS SHIT FOR NOTHING..Its a simple choice, Either DO or Dont.If it does result in a ban,,,then so be it.. I for one appreciate the teams efforts and Come on..Lets not bite the hand that feeds Us..
Post by: rigger66 on November 30, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
QUOTE(KIPPERMAN32 @ Nov 30 2009, 10:46 PM)
Bollox to the way its worded..thats just nit picking,,,we all know the implications if we mod our console and im sick to death of people moaning like fook when @ the end of the day WE GET THIS SHIT FOR NOTHING..Its a simple choice, Either DO or Dont.If it does result in a ban,,,then so be it.. I for one appreciate the teams efforts and Come on..Lets not bite the hand that feeds Us..
Get off your high horse m8 ......All I am stating are the facts. Have you heard me moan....NO..so dont go aiming that shit at me Donk!
One more thing.....nit picking...Did you not know ...The single most important thing next to any release is the .nfo , Read me ..I guess not.
Post by: endorium on November 30, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
Latest info from twitter!!
Looks like the next week or so it could be released
Post by: rubberdog on November 30, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
QUOTE(rigger66 @ Dec 1 2009, 12:51 AM)
Get off your high horse m8 ......All I am stating are the facts. Have you heard me moan....NO..so dont go aiming that shit at me Donk!
One more thing.....nit picking...Did you not know ...The single most important thing next to any release is the .nfo , Read me ..I guess not.
Why do people come on here and bitch and moan at each other. The decision to mod, be it ultimately detectable or not, is your own. If you dont like the work C4EVA and the rest of the team does go and buy a PS3 or a Wii and sit on the sidelines....whilst the rest of us who really are thankful for their efforts reap the benefits.
They do it for nothing and ask for nothing in return once released.
Keep the forum to a factual discussion...for gods sake...not just idle arguements.
Post by: stacker69 on December 01, 2009, 01:25:00 AM
Post by: Datenshiz on December 01, 2009, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: XOR101 on December 01, 2009, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Alein_Atryda_III on December 01, 2009, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(rigger66 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:38 PM)
Like I stated previous...it`s all a money making racket.....new FW generates more $$$$$$$$ plus for all concerned ..Microshit included
.... some peeps are to stupid or too blind to see this.No punt intended.
Yes, exactly! It generates exactly 0 money for c4eva, as he doesn't charge for ixtreme.
Yes, exactly! It generates money for people who install ixtremes... which I don't pay because I'm tech savy enough to do it myself.
Yes, exactly! The fact that ixtreme exists makes us lose money! That's why after 3-4 copies we already save the cost of the console, so anything above it is our profit.
Obviously c4eva does it only to make us lose money. As the stats above state.
Ah, so much sarcasm in one post, I haven't felt so good in a long time.
Anyway, I'm gonna fix my banned console in few days to get the hard disk and stuff working again, then when I have useless money I'll buy new xbox. But I think it'll have to wait till I buy few games. Yes, I buy games worth it.
I am currently checking my burned copies for splitvid and other malfunctions and I realized that abgx shows in blue some notes from the game, and in those notes is the version of abgx used to fix that disk... If we can read it then can't MS somehow? O_o
Post by: dokworm on December 01, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Datenshiz @ Dec 1 2009, 03:52 PM)
Hope its released before xmas, can't wait
Well, according to the jungle boys "LT is complete, more testing!", so it isn't far away... though I have lost interest since the whole freeboot thing now allows unsigned code to run, so MAME360, XBMC-360 should be a reality very soon, and intalling your own hard drive and using all of the space and running games direct from the HDD is available *now*.
Post by: xbox360sexual on December 01, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: 360beast on December 01, 2009, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 01, 2009, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(360beast @ Dec 1 2009, 09:15 PM)
i read b4 that LT will require new data on game, split vid i tihng. so will my burned games i already have work?
Do they have split vid?
Post by: 360beast on December 01, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Dec 1 2009, 03:19 PM)
Do they have split vid?
cant remember have to recheck with abgx... is that true tho split vid is needed now
edit: ok, tested 2 so far, both say layer break unknown. but next to the size it says splt vid 3rd or 4th wave
ok, checked the plitvid thing under this misc tab, at the end it says splitvid valid, so will they work on the new LT?
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 01, 2009, 05:59:00 PM
QUOTE(360beast @ Dec 1 2009, 09:21 PM)
cant remember have to recheck with abgx... is that true tho split vid is needed now
edit: ok, tested 2 so far, both say layer break unknown. but next to the size it says splt vid 3rd or 4th wave
ok, checked the plitvid thing under this misc tab, at the end it says splitvid valid, so will they work on the new LT?
If the disc have a proper SplitVid than they should as SpitVid is now necessary as this is also found on retail xbox 360 game discs.
The backups must as close to the original as possible.
Post by: robbo2109 on December 03, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Latest twitter update, may have to wait a little while longer!
Post by: JohnnyBigodes on December 03, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
Non Verbatim media, maybe ??
Post by: Takashi on December 03, 2009, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: JohnnyBigodes on December 03, 2009, 08:52:00 AM
Thanks
Post by: Celerion on December 03, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(JohnnyBigodes @ Dec 3 2009, 04:52 PM)
In Germany i've never heard of that.
Thanks
LOL. With "around here" he means this forum
Post by: Aliena on December 03, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: jimbo70 on December 03, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: Evi1d33d on December 03, 2009, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: smiley2billion on December 03, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
"Tweaking post rendering sun shine operations"
"Recalibrating grass height and density"
"Flushing master bus records"
etc etc
Post by: Aliena on December 03, 2009, 07:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Dec 4 2009, 12:44 AM)
Verbatim is the highest quality DVD-DL out there. I guess since LT is a minimalistic cfw it doesn't have the ability to compensate for low quality medias like memorex where there might be flaws that can be easily detected by M$.
WHAT ? non-verb is non verbal media like internet or newspaper... no verbatim LOL
Quality of verbatim is good but memorex too has good quality. Sry for my eng.
Post by: deluxe247 on December 03, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Aliena @ Dec 3 2009, 09:23 PM)
WHAT ? non-verb is non verbal media like internet or newspaper... no verbatim LOL
Quality of verbatim is good but memorex too has good quality. Sry for my eng.
Memorex is actually not very good at all... don't kid yourself.
Post by: shiznu on December 03, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Aliena @ Dec 3 2009, 08:23 PM)
WHAT ? non-verb is non verbal media like internet or newspaper... no verbatim LOL
Quality of verbatim is good but memorex too has good quality. Sry for my eng.
LOL..........uh NO. Tried memorex about 50% coasters, 0 with verbatim.
Post by: bollwage on December 03, 2009, 10:45:00 PM
its now manufactured by Moser Baer in India, not Mitsubishi in Taiwan/Singapore
MKM Verbatims are #1
MBM Verbatims are #2 (but far behind MKM)
All Other media are below these in my opinion
One way to tell is that when most DVD Writers die they will start to not write to any disks but Verbatim until their final death.
Post by: iateshaggy on December 03, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: RMF on December 04, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
QUOTE(shiznu @ Dec 4 2009, 06:16 AM)
LOL..........uh NO. Tried memorex about 50% coasters, 0 with verbatim.
Then it's either you, or your burner that's the problem. I've used 3 ten packs of Memorex now. No coasters, and they all still work.
Post by: legssmit on December 04, 2009, 03:01:00 AM
Post by: newboxflash on December 04, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
hope not i kinda like my cheapy sim vision media never given me a problem with the right burner but if it is disc timing then might be time to swop out
Post by: shiznu on December 04, 2009, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(RMF @ Dec 4 2009, 01:58 AM)
Then it's either you, or your burner that's the problem. I've used 3 ten packs of Memorex now. No coasters, and they all still work.
No I've had some packs work fine and others that have not. Had to be some bad batches.
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 04, 2009, 06:21:00 AM
When I used hp CD-R's I had 0% coasters.
Nothing wrong with my Pioneer Burner that I was using. Had to be the discs.
I have never had a problem with Sony CD-Rs/DVD-Rs, Ritek DVD-R DL or Verbaitim DVD-Rs regardless of when I bought them, where I bought them and how many I bought. Never had a problem.
Post by: antz1970 on December 04, 2009, 06:40:00 AM
Post by: xbox360sexual on December 04, 2009, 06:45:00 AM
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 04, 2009, 06:49:00 AM
Post by: RMF on December 04, 2009, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(shiznu @ Dec 4 2009, 02:16 PM)
No I've had some packs work fine and others that have not. Had to be some bad batches.
Yeah maybe, I guess it could also have been that Memorex are only rebranded ricoh or riteks so maybe it was a particular batch of either that didnt agree with your 360.
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Dec 4 2009, 02:40 PM)
cheaper discs are a false economy in my opinion , even if you dont get any coasters at the time , try the same backup in a years time!!! , also cheaper media puts more strain on the laser , i bought a cheapie 10 pack of dual layers a while back when verbs were harder to get , 3 ended up as coasters and theres another 4(that i know of) no longer play properly , ill stick with verbs tyvm
I guess you missed the aprt where I said that all of mine still work, and that's over a 3 year period of burning. Strangely enough, the laser in my launch 360 hitachi drive thats been flashed since day one and has spent a huge amount of time reading said media still works fine! Hmmm..
Lasers die all the time in all manner of disc based devices. You cannot blame dying drives on cheap media and if a drive does die then I'd like to see you prove that it was because you had used anything but verbatims in the drive.
Post by: jgsieve on December 04, 2009, 07:14:00 AM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Dec 4 2009, 07:40 AM)
cheaper discs are a false economy in my opinion , even if you dont get any coasters at the time , try the same backup in a years time!!! , also cheaper media puts more strain on the laser , i bought a cheapie 10 pack of dual layers a while back when verbs were harder to get , 3 ended up as coasters and theres another 4(that i know of) no longer play properly , ill stick with verbs tyvm
I have some 3 year old memorex backups that still play fine...
If it is a fact that cheap media puts strain on the laser, you can get a benq for $25 on ebay. The whole premise in my book is to save money and anywhere I can cut costs, I do. Also, if burns coaster you might need to update your firmware. Memorex +R DL are Ritek tyvm
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 04, 2009, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: jgsieve on December 04, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Dec 4 2009, 10:09 AM)
I think it's about time we get back on topic.
you are right, lets not talk about "non-verb" media that was posted on Team Jungle's Twitter feed. Which twitter feed do you want to talk about?
Post by: XOR101 on December 04, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(jgsieve @ Dec 4 2009, 06:46 PM)
you are right, lets not talk about "non-verb" media that was posted on Team Jungle's Twitter feed. Which twitter feed do you want to talk about?
Kanye west or hannah montana. Your choice.
Post by: antz1970 on December 04, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: jgsieve on December 04, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: antz1970 on December 04, 2009, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(jgsieve @ Dec 4 2009, 10:34 PM)
you are probably right with the "off topic" thing antz1970. Everyone is getting edgy waiting for this firmware. Please let it be soon!
wasnt me that said it m8
, however i dont really think it is off topic we are discussing something about what the team twittered about
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 04, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Dec 4 2009, 09:31 PM)
RMF & jgsieve hey u guys i wasnt having a go or anything , just offering up my opinions based on my personal experiences , im not saying everyone has issues with cheap media or that everyone who uses cheaper media always gets laser problems , im merly going on my own experiences and what ive read around the place ,also ive not came across any drives that wont play verbs but have came across drives that wont play cheaper media , hows that?.i just use what ive had the best results with and i stick to it , lol , i dont like change
I don't like either.
Post by: halleluia on December 06, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
| ? list | LT FW DONE & BEING TWEAKED, TEAMS NOT TESTING YET, NO ETA DONT ASK | http://XS Filter - 110506 - 1/360homebrew | XeXLoader Pack : http://bit.ly/66onrA |
Awesome baby
Post by: 360beast on December 06, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: Lynas on December 06, 2009, 11:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Dec 7 2009, 04:57 AM)
Where did I say I read 27 pages? Didn't say it, and didn't do it.
Further up the page... "Post after useless post..."
How do you know they're useless, unless you've read them?
Post by: Toddler on December 07, 2009, 02:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Lynas @ Dec 7 2009, 12:30 AM)
Further up the page... "Post after useless post..."
How do you know they're useless, unless you've read them?
Because skimming the most recent post in the thread every few days shows "still testing, no ETA, don't ask" and people bitching about the lack of information.
Are you saying I've actually missed something important?
Post by: Secret-Service on December 07, 2009, 04:15:00 AM
Post by: XOR101 on December 07, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
More hacks in the past have been like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: newboxflash on December 07, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(XOR101 @ Dec 7 2009, 02:34 PM)
the release is going to be on 24 december just before xmas or 25 december on xmas...
More hacks in the past have been like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
would be nice idea, cant wait to see if we get another 11 months live use b4 M$ kick us off again
just bought some verbs having not used them for 2 years ready for the day back on live
Post by: joshualukin on December 07, 2009, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Secret-Service @ Dec 7 2009, 12:15 PM)
Lets see, the lastet news i got is C4 working on to encrypt drive key so he can make money on it, its just rumor in the group, dont hope he do it.
Right but a member of his team leaked the hack on retrieving the firmware thus ruining their chance of charging. So now it will be released for free.
Post by: Analyzer52 on December 07, 2009, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(joshualukin @ Dec 7 2009, 12:41 PM)
Right but a member of his team leaked the hack on retrieving the firmware thus ruining their chance of charging. So now it will be released for free.
I think he is getting a little tired of seeing everyone else make money off of his work while he is just doing it because he can. Just think about all the paid mod services out there that have made money off his work like it's there own. Years about this was never an option you only modded yourself or had a close friend do it it wasn't some one at every corner or craiglist ad offering to do it for a fee.
Post by: Staticvoid on December 07, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
Post by: PRiME2008 on December 07, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: funky26cro on December 07, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
This post has been edited by funky26cro: Dec 7 2009, 10:41 PM
Post by: Hellsgremlin on December 07, 2009, 03:03:00 PM
I Mod ALOT of Consols On a Daily Basis. I wouldnt mind paying a 1 time fee for the firmware download. Most of us who mod Make And Or Have Made Some sort of $$ Using this firmware. It is Fair These guys put alot of hard work and effort in providing us with a quality firmware USUALY in a timely matter.
I think if they are going to charge for the firmware they should be moddest and charge a meesly $10.00 This is a Fair Price. I feel most would be willing to spend 10 to buy the firmware. The Modders will make way more using it. and the people who just mod there own xboxes will save way more. Figure 100k People watching the tweets all buy the firmware at 10.00.....the dev team makes 1m ( the modder probably makes a few thousand with it over time. the home uses saves 1000's on games almost instantly)
none the less thats just my thougts.....
C4e is gonna do whatever he wants.. quit bitchin and wait. Its not like once a few people buy it you wolnt be downloading it for free anyway.....I think he should just put a donation button up Ide give him some $$ for sure
Post by: Cedru on December 07, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
I am sure there are many people who also donate, but the ones that use it and don't share back - those are the ones that need to step up and give a little bit back to the people putting in their time, knowledge, and hard work.
Post by: Jbasto on December 07, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
But is funny how people bitch and moan about if he will starts to charge but no1 is bitching and moaing when they charge for the service. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
Post by: tornadog on December 07, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: PRiME2008 on December 07, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: chiribomb on December 07, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
You could offer an exchange, a mod box for a unbanned live box, and charge a middle man fee.
If there are 1M banned boxes that could be something.
To pay for what we always got for free is hard to accept for most.
The FoundMy test was proof of that.
Put up a dollar donation from all that want it and someone else will get it done, any more and its just greedy.
My 2 cents
Post by: d4rk5ky on December 07, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Please don't take me for being an ungrateful ass as i do appreciate all of the hard work but im sure you all feel the same way.
Also on the donation thing, i wouldn't mind donating a few bucks towards c4 and the team myself for the hard work.
This post has been edited by d4rk5ky: Dec 8 2009, 05:11 AM
Post by: KCO on December 07, 2009, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: Hellsgremlin on December 08, 2009, 02:11:00 AM
Gonna be some sad kids on xmas this year w/o this firmware
probably a pointless post but ive read all 23-24 pages and seen worst!
Post by: RMF on December 08, 2009, 03:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Hellsgremlin @ Dec 8 2009, 10:11 AM)
lol i hope its before xmas...my gf wants some expencive shit....so far only got the tree...lol Looks like alot of peoples xmas is on C4eva's hands lol
Gonna be some sad kids on xmas this year w/o this firmware
probably a pointless post but ive read all 23-24 pages and seen worst!
You'd give your kids copied games from Chritmas? WOW, talk about being tight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
Post by: unabombie on December 08, 2009, 04:36:00 AM
Post by: lokioki on December 08, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
Awesome, a few posts where people are speculating that LT will only be available to those who pay. Interesting.
It sounds fair... you work hard, you want to get paid to pay other people that you need to pay. Vicious cycle, I understand. I'll summon a shitstorm if I had to do my mind-numbing (but awesome!) work for free. Nothing sinister with that.
I expected this would happen. The first thing that caught my eye was the name change. It was changed to a more "marketable" name. Its difficult to work with ixtreme 1.7 as apposed to: "Ixtreme LT... better, more efficient, more slipstreamed, more awesome and the safest firmware eva!"
Second thing is actually all of these useless twittering taking place. Testing...Testing...Testing...Done...Oops, more Testing...Need to pee...Testing(not the pee!).
It looks like a "marketing campaign"(plot?) to get people exited and to keep them exited. And also a time-wasting tactic to get all their ducks in a row...for the big Million dollar payday release. Again, nothing wrong with that. A bit greedy maybe? (But who am I to talk? I am the biggest money-whore on here!)
If you "own" the code, you can do whateva you want with it.
But a question that needs to be asked when it gets out that we need to splash out for LT when released, is: Didn't "some group of people" manipulate this entire situation by releasing, "more broken" and "more detectable" firmware at each release? Thus, forcing the user to actually pay for LT because the previous releases aren't worth shit and will cripple your 360. And in doing so, (paying for LT) staying hidden from the big evil M$ eye for-eva!!
For me it seems highly unlikely that a very intelligent firmware guru will have a security over-sight...one that almost led to a million-strong ban wave!
But this is just another work of fiction, a conspiracy theory, a bed time story created by a nameless, faceless anti-social, game playing SOB.
Peace... And happy Paying....sorry hacking.
Post by: hoogs on December 08, 2009, 07:28:00 AM
"| ? list | LT FW DONE, IN TEAM TESTING, NO ETA DONT ASK AND NO, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY/DONATE FOR FW | http://XS Filter - 110506 - 1/360homebrew |"
Post by: KCO on December 08, 2009, 07:47:00 AM
same thing happened to derengel of tcniso.
Post by: Takashi on December 08, 2009, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: run187 on December 08, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(KCO @ Dec 8 2009, 02:47 PM)
with the donation was enough, if you think that is going to charge preparing for a trip to jail because when the illegal hobby is tolerable but if business becomes thee till catch you.
same thing happened to derengel of tcniso.
what in the fk do cable modems have to do with firmware or xbox hacking
ryan harris asked people for money unlike c4eva he also sold full hacked modems not just fws
he wasent going to give away a modem hacked or other wise now was he
and he hasent been convicted of anything yet as far as i know
please post something that something to remotely do with 360 hacking ..
This post has been edited by run187: Dec 8 2009, 06:25 PM
Post by: Kaisonic on December 08, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: Hitokiri-Snake on December 08, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: Hellsgremlin on December 08, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(RMF @ Dec 8 2009, 05:40 AM)
You'd give your kids copied games from Chritmas? WOW, talk about being tight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
No i dont have Kids. even if i did i would give them burned games. there just as good as the originals....I bet any kid would be happyer with 20 burned game over 1 original!
i was saying i need the firmware to come out so i can make money and buy xmas gifts....
other people were saying there kids xmas depended on the release of the firmware...im assuming other modders
Post by: Toddler on December 08, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Kaisonic @ Dec 8 2009, 11:52 AM)
Actually, unless this new LT firmware is 100% original code (which I'm guessing it's not to be more like the original) then technically it would be illegal to charge for the firmware since c4e and/or the team don't own the copyright to the firmware. The firmware itself is actually illegal - hence having to go through hoops to get it through xbins and whatnot, so charging for it seems highly unlikely, if anything from a legal standpoint.
It's illegal to sell someone a coupon, but they're all over eBay. Sellers must state in the auction that they're not charging for the coupon, they're giving the coupon away for free and only charging for shipping and handling, thus they're allowed to operate. I wouldn't worry about whether it's legal to sell the firmware. The US would skip right over that issue and the crime would be reverse-engineering under the DMCA, which would apply to anyone modifying the firmware (injecting keys).
This post has been edited by Toddler: Dec 8 2009, 07:16 PM
Post by: halleluia on December 09, 2009, 08:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Dec 8 2009, 11:43 PM)
It's illegal to sell someone a coupon, but they're all over eBay. Sellers must state in the auction that they're not charging for the coupon, they're giving the coupon away for free and only charging for shipping and handling, thus they're allowed to operate. I wouldn't worry about whether it's legal to sell the firmware. The US would skip right over that issue and the crime would be reverse-engineering under the DMCA, which would apply to anyone modifying the firmware (injecting keys).
How the hell can it be 100% original?
Post by: Takashi on December 09, 2009, 08:15:00 AM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Dec 9 2009, 10:10 AM)
How the hell can it be 100% original?
is WHAT original?
Post by: unabombie on December 09, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: Ankoholik on December 10, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: f575gtc on December 10, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: RMF on December 10, 2009, 08:25:00 AM
QUOTE(f575gtc @ Dec 10 2009, 04:20 PM)
Liar there aren't 15 months in a year!
He's obviously not from the U.S. In the EU for example, we list our dates in a logical day/month/year format.
Post by: tray on December 10, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Kurt Hectic on December 10, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
His source is no source -> just another "look at me! I'm an attention.... "
or a joke, I don't know, never got to understand why people find this kind of behaviour entertaining.
My friend back in the days when we were kids told his cousin he had a helicopter and thought it was a great achievement. I never got it.
BTW. our (european) format (day/month/year) is better.
Post by: yasiekk on December 10, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Sany92 on December 10, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
This post has been edited by chorizo1: Dec 10 2009, 09:26 PM
Post by: nuzz on December 10, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Sany92 @ Dec 10 2009, 08:39 PM)
iXtreme LiteTouch (LT) Leaked Xbox 360 BenQ Lite Touch
FAKE ?
The reflections are all wrong. I call photoshop.
This post has been edited by nuzz: Dec 10 2009, 08:45 PM
Post by: Sany92 on December 10, 2009, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 10, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: yasiekk on December 10, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: Sany92 on December 10, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: Secret-Service on December 10, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
Fake it just 1.41 non-stealth rev 2 whit another name. I had compare them in hex an its the same -.-
This post has been edited by chorizo1: Dec 10 2009, 09:28 PM
Post by: Takashi on December 10, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(yasiekk @ Dec 10 2009, 02:49 PM)
Since no public betas were released why would you name it "LT final" and not release it on xbins?
Because if's it's not on xbins, it's fake.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on December 10, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: Secret-Service on December 10, 2009, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Takashi @ Dec 10 2009, 09:02 PM)
Because if's it's not on xbins, it's fake.
I do not think that is correct. But this firmware leak is fake
This post has been edited by Secret-Service: Dec 10 2009, 09:19 PM
Post by: chorizo1 on December 10, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
User who posted has been suspended, anyone else with links keep them to your self.
Obvious fake.
Post by: bootstrapbill on December 10, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: jameswalker on December 10, 2009, 11:13:00 PM
QUOTE(bootstrapbill @ Dec 11 2009, 01:58 PM)
man...i'm getting a bit impatient. where is this thing?
yeah same here lol. My 360 is currently disassembled and I'm not sure whether I should put my 360 back together cos i know as soon as i do it will be released!
Post by: RMF on December 10, 2009, 11:54:00 PM
QUOTE(jameswalker @ Dec 11 2009, 07:13 AM)
yeah same here lol. My 360 is currently disassembled and I'm not sure whether I should put my 360 back together cos i know as soon as i do it will be released!
Well then stop being selfish and put your 360 back together for the good of the the rest of us!
Post by: tc811 on December 11, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
This post has been edited by tc811: Dec 11 2009, 08:40 AM
Post by: halleluia on December 11, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Ankoholik @ Dec 10 2009, 08:01 PM)
possibly ETA 15/12/09
it will be on 24th man..bet my 360 on it
Post by: Th3_Burn3r on December 11, 2009, 02:25:00 AM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Dec 11 2009, 09:06 AM)
it will be on 24th man..bet my 360 on it
i think so too. ix1.5 for lite-ons was released around this date too
Post by: hoogs on December 11, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Th3_Burn3r on December 11, 2009, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(hoogs @ Dec 12 2009, 05:15 AM)
What happened to the tweets? They have dried up
who cares about this tweet? only useless infos there. always "testing, testing, testing and testing again" infos there
Post by: Toddler on December 12, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Takashi @ Dec 10 2009, 02:02 PM)
Because if's it's not on xbins, it's fake.
Don't forget that just a few weeks ago, legit iX 1.61 firmwares for BenQ & Samsung were leaked. Caught the team flat-footed, and Xbins didn't catch up until a couple of days later.
Post by: autior on December 12, 2009, 02:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Wooly @ Dec 12 2009, 07:31 AM)
they could at least give an eta, that way everyone would stop asking. We're not gonna hang them if they dont make the ESTIMATED time of arrival, but jeez just a guess when it'd be ready would be nice :\
+1.
Post by: fatvince on December 12, 2009, 07:16:00 AM
QUOTE(tc811 @ Dec 11 2009, 08:38 AM)
doesn't take that long to reassemble a 360...
no, but for us n00bs it's quite a daunting experience. i know i heaved a sigh of relief when i put mine back together and it worked. "never again" were my words after a whole rather frantic night of trying to get it to work and finally succeeding! next time I'll just pay someone $40 to do it for me
QUOTE(Wooly @ Dec 12 2009, 07:31 AM)
they could at least give an eta, that way everyone would stop asking. We're not gonna hang them if they dont make the ESTIMATED time of arrival, but jeez just a guess when it'd be ready would be nice :\
just look through the thread, there's enough people whining 'whens it coming out'.. to put anyone off publishing an ETA.
Post by: Wooly on December 12, 2009, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Dec 12 2009, 10:16 AM)
just look through the thread, there's enough people whining 'whens it coming out'.. to put anyone off publishing an ETA.
yea i'm not talking about just anyone though, i'm talking about c4eva/team jungle. Surely they get tired of being badgered non-stop about it, so why not give us a guess when the testing/tweaking will be done?
Post by: BigSteel on December 12, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Wooly @ Dec 12 2009, 08:52 AM)
yea i'm not talking about just anyone though, i'm talking about c4eva/team jungle. Surely they get tired of being badgered non-stop about it, so why not give us a guess when the testing/tweaking will be done?
They don't becasue of the BS that happens when they don't make their ETA and then there is 1,000,000 whinig and sayig 'you promised it would be out today'. It has happened more than once in the past.
Post by: Syn201 on December 12, 2009, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: Secret-Service on December 12, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 12, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Secret-Service @ Dec 12 2009, 07:40 PM)
People need to just be patience. C4E may need to program the firmware for all drives again and it takes time!
Think of how many revisions of the Hitachi Drives there are.
They should wait until it is perfect whether it takes a week or 6 months.
Post by: confusedman09 on December 12, 2009, 12:31:00 PM
LT FW - NO NEWS, NO ETA, NO WORRY, BEEF CURRY
yes, i know its no news, but "no worry" sounds good. Fixing the non-verb issue is probably going well.
Post by: Secret-Service on December 12, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(confusedman09 @ Dec 12 2009, 08:31 PM)
#FW topic was
LT FW - NO NEWS, NO ETA, NO WORRY, BEEF CURRY
yes, i know its no news, but "no worry" sounds good. Fixing the non-verb issue is probably going well.
Why even ask on # FW, you know the answer they give. when something happens, you probably hear it
Post by: unabombie on December 12, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: Drefsab on December 12, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: prmaster on December 12, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
QUOTE(unabombie @ Dec 12 2009, 04:36 PM)
testing..
What is this? the beginning of a Testing meme???
come one
they are working very hard totest the performance data to adjust for more testing.
cant your wait a couple more weeks? lol
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 12, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: Kalzor on December 12, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: Excitedguy on December 12, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
on a more serious note, they should just release a version that works only with verbatim media only for those of us who can actually afford them.
Post by: PerfectCell on December 12, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Excitedguy @ Dec 13 2009, 01:37 AM)
testing... with the side of testing, on top of more testing....
on a more serious note, they should just release a version that works only with verbatim media only for those of us who can actually afford them.
I think they should make the firmware especially based around verbatim media, all retail 360 games use a certain media type making them very similar, why not do the same for iXtreme
Verbatim media isnt that much more expensive than non verb anyway
Post by: Aliena on December 12, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 12, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Aliena @ Dec 13 2009, 03:15 AM)
oooh non verb isnt verbatim media it is non verbal media like newspaper or internet. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you trying to be funny?
Post by: shiznu on December 13, 2009, 01:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Aliena @ Dec 12 2009, 08:15 PM)
oooh non verb isnt verbatim media it is non verbal media like newspaper or internet. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2nd time I've heard this statement made. No wonder my drive will not read the Sunday paper, but maybe the old sammy has been surfing some xxx sites while I'm not around. LOL!!!!
Post by: KCO on December 13, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: robo989 on December 13, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
QUOTE(shiznu @ Dec 13 2009, 10:34 AM)
2nd time I've heard this statement made. No wonder my drive will not read the Sunday paper, but maybe the old sammy has been surfing some xxx sites while I'm not around. LOL!!!!
Yeah 2nd time and still funnier than you.
QUOTE(PerfectCell @ Dec 13 2009, 03:50 AM)
I think they should make the firmware especially based around verbatim media, all retail 360 games use a certain media type making them very similar, why not do the same for iXtreme
Verbatim media isnt that much more expensive than non verb anyway
What? And see the price of verbatim dl disks double in price?
Just like with the first hacked firmwares released a few years ago when only verbatim media would work correctly.
No thanx!
Post by: mattrb on December 13, 2009, 01:19:00 PM
It was updated today and will be updated everyday.
The message today said:"LT FW: YES, IT'S COMING - BE PATIENT, NO NEWS, NO ETA, STOP ASKING"
Just go to the link and it will give you info!
Link.
Post by: Kalzor on December 13, 2009, 02:36:00 PM
<@Iriez> what makes you think i would know JACK SHIT about any ixtreme fw?
<@Iriez> after ratting out the #1 dev?
<@Iriez> you think c4e talks to me anymore?
<@Iriez> i fucked him over.
= LT gone.
Post by: Toddler on December 13, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: mattrb on December 13, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Kalzor @ Dec 13 2009, 05:36 PM)
<@Iriez> i fucked him over.
= LT gone.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Dec 13 2009, 05:47 PM)
LT isn't gone, it's just delayed while the C4E mafia tries to figure out another way to charge for it.
This is scare tactic by upset individual. If you looked at my link and not copied a conversation from uninformed individual you will see- "LT FW DONE, IN TEAM TESTING, NO ETA DONT ASK AND NO, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY/DONATE FOR"
Link.
Post by: Syn201 on December 13, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Kalzor @ Dec 13 2009, 11:36 PM)
<Some1> Iriez any news about LT?
<@Iriez> what makes you think i would know JACK SHIT about any ixtreme fw?
<@Iriez> after ratting out the #1 dev?
<@Iriez> you think c4e talks to me anymore?
<@Iriez> i fucked him over.
= LT gone.
i woldent trust anything this guy said anymore even if it was true he could be sat next to me in home telling me and i still woldent believe him and even if it dosent come out its not the end of world if i want flashed 360 for live ill just buy benq drive and flash that with none stealth simple
and why would c4e not talking to someone who fucked him over (apparently)stop the release of any firmware
all iriez seems to do these days is sit in online forums and babble on and on with his/her psycho babble ..
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 13, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Kalzor @ Dec 14 2009, 12:27 AM)
This could be better than most TV drama show.
Post by: T3XA5360R3B3L on December 13, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
all this elitest shit talking gets really old... in 100 years or muchless 5 years, noone is going to fucking care or remember...
Post by: xbox360sexual on December 13, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
thanks!
Post by: ccfman2004 on December 13, 2009, 06:30:00 PM
QUOTE(mattrb @ Dec 14 2009, 01:40 AM)
Kalzor, double posting is not useful in the forum community.
You better check that again. He did not double post. I quoted his post with my own.
Post by: silusbotwin on December 13, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
QUOTE(lokioki @ Dec 8 2009, 08:46 AM)
Warning: conspiracy
Awesome, a few posts where people are speculating that LT will only be available to those who pay. Interesting.
It sounds fair... you work hard, you want to get paid to pay other people that you need to pay. Vicious cycle, I understand. I'll summon a shitstorm if I had to do my mind-numbing (but awesome!) work for free. Nothing sinister with that.
I expected this would happen. The first thing that caught my eye was the name change. It was changed to a more "marketable" name. Its difficult to work with ixtreme 1.7 as apposed to: "Ixtreme LT... better, more efficient, more slipstreamed, more awesome and the safest firmware eva!"
Second thing is actually all of these useless twittering taking place. Testing...Testing...Testing...Done...Oops, more Testing...Need to pee...Testing(not the pee!).
It looks like a "marketing campaign"(plot?) to get people exited and to keep them exited. And also a time-wasting tactic to get all their ducks in a row...for the big Million dollar payday release. Again, nothing wrong with that. A bit greedy maybe? (But who am I to talk? I am the biggest money-whore on here!)
If you "own" the code, you can do whateva you want with it.
But a question that needs to be asked when it gets out that we need to splash out for LT when released, is: Didn't "some group of people" manipulate this entire situation by releasing, "more broken" and "more detectable" firmware at each release? Thus, forcing the user to actually pay for LT because the previous releases aren't worth shit and will cripple your 360. And in doing so, (paying for LT) staying hidden from the big evil M$ eye for-eva!!
For me it seems highly unlikely that a very intelligent firmware guru will have a security over-sight...one that almost led to a million-strong ban wave!
But this is just another work of fiction, a conspiracy theory, a bed time story created by a nameless, faceless anti-social, game playing SOB.
Peace... And happy Paying....sorry hacking.
Peole like this need to find something else to do besides spreading false information. 1.7 WAS NOT changed to LT. 1.7 was in the works before the ban wave. 1.7 was killed when the banwave started and LT took it's place. For the last time..... ixtreme LT WILL NOT cost anything. You need to research and read before spreading false info. LT will be FREE.
Edit: Disregard. I didnt get far enough to read "But this is just another work of fiction, a conspiracy theory, a bed time story created by a nameless, faceless anti-social, game playing SOB." Sorry
Post by: bollwage on December 13, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
QUOTE(mattrb @ Dec 14 2009, 01:40 AM)
Kalzor, double posting is not useful in the forum community.
moron
and I do not believe iriez
Post by: chorizo1 on December 13, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
CLOSED, wait like everyone else, and do NOT open another thread of "when is LT coming/JF teweeted" until X-S reports something worth while.