I new c4eva would come through!
what does ETA stand for ? Google gave me quite a few meanings for this acronym
So now it's nutritious and delicious?
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 10 2009, 12:50 AM)
what does ETA stand for ? Google gave me quite a few meanings for this acronym
Estimated Time Of Arrival
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 10 2009, 12:50 AM)
what does ETA stand for ? Google gave me quite a few meanings for this acronym
Estimated Time of Arrival.
more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA
I wonder waht any of this even means lol. how is this going to work?
Soooo, no iXtreme 1.61 for Lite-on or...?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:54 AM)
Estimated Time of Arrival.
more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA
I wonder waht any of this even means lol. how is this going to work?
Hopefully he will give as little info as possible about this type of stuff so that it takes MS longer to try and find ways of detecting it.
So i guess anyone who still isnt banned should stay offline until this new fw is released and hope they wern't already flagged for banishment?
it's always been a game of cat and mouse. been said as so from the beginning. Good on ya C4Eva!
After all this blows over I hope we can get back to focusing on homebrew - thats my akiles heel!
This post has been edited by Muzzakus: Nov 10 2009, 07:07 AM
Yes! But I hope it comes out soon.I wana get my rank up on Modern Warfare 2 before my friends do.
QUOTE(EaTGReeDY @ Nov 10 2009, 07:00 AM)
Yes! But I hope it comes out soon.I wana get my rank up on Modern Warfare 2 before my friends do.
Well, you already can.
but c4eva said FW was not detectable
I got a Lite-On, but was banned just today.
I suggest to everyone else that's got a Lite-On that hasn't been banned yet to stay offline. And this is coming from someone who was just banned hours ago. I really wish I could meet c4e in person and thank him personally, buy him a beer or a lager for all his hard work. I only wish I can help in some way and give back.
It sucks being so poor and newbish.
C4Eva is the man....
I've been going on the IRCs and forums like this1 for about 2 weeks, I'm sooo happy, good thing it's the lite-on that got pushed back with 1.61, at least better for me....
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Nov 10 2009, 07:03 AM)
but c4eva said FW was not detectable
And he hasn't retracted that statement. He just said that this new firmware will be more efficient and indistinguishable in all aspects from the original, which i suppose means it will be impossible to tell apart even in vendor mode, bypassing any fears we had about Microsoft being able to read the firmware? We'll see.
ok...in IRC a couple people are saying im reading into this too much, but i think im reading it properly...
QUOTE
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New DVD FW in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch)
>> C4Eva announced he's working on a new firmware on IRC:
"[c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!"
based on the highlighted it sounds like with the previous firmwares it was possible to see if the drive was flashed or not, it also says "no more bans" which means the firmware WAS the reason for these recent bans...
this is great news c4eva is the man
yeah this is all too much for me. Lite touch? Does that mean that this is not gonna be new revolutionary firmware for the benq, samsung , hitachi? Only for liteon? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. Im just wondering out loud.
This post has been edited by deilzfcjk: Nov 10 2009, 07:11 AM
That is 1,61 for LiteOn it is possible not to wait? It is insulting...
Awesome!
This post has been edited by lvader1: Nov 10 2009, 07:14 AM
The firmware being non-detectable is clearly in reference to it being read from the flash and inspected. That is probably not happening. It's most likely a flaw in it's operation that was never before recognised because M$ never expolited that feature previously. So another hole plugged, and the mouse again runs before the cat.
You know what, it's moments like this that shows the spirit of the community. The recognition and respect displayed towards the hackers and each other in general would never be represented in the harsh corporate world.
Love yous all!
it is insulting: what?
might want to check your wording ther bucko...
makes it sound like and ungrateful brat... maybe is just me ...!)
FAIL... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
"Sorry. ixtreme all versions is/are detectable or their behavior is detectable therefore hence a new FW is being worked on. For those with ixtreme I would advice no further use of 360 until this firmware is released. Until then, god bless 360scene. No technical data was being as to WHY its being detected all of a sudden."
This post has been edited by _burb_on_: Nov 10 2009, 07:20 AM
QUOTE(_burb_on_ @ Nov 9 2009, 11:19 PM)
FAIL...
"Sorry. ixtreme all versions is/are detectable or their behavior is detectable therefore hence a new FW is being worked on. For those with ixtreme I would advice no further use of 360 until this firmware is released. Until then, god bless 360scene. No technical data was being as to WHY its being detected all of a sudden."
Where are you getting that from???
from IRC
This post has been edited by _burb_on_: Nov 10 2009, 07:25 AM
QUOTE(Blargharg @ Nov 10 2009, 07:07 AM)
And he hasn't retracted that statement. He just said that this new firmware will be more efficient and indistinguishable in all aspects from the original, which i suppose means it will be impossible to tell apart even in vendor mode, bypassing any fears we had about Microsoft being able to read the firmware? We'll see.
Its a BS statement, I've never booted a backup and got hit by this ban wave
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Nov 10 2009, 12:27 AM)
Its a BS statement, I've never booted a backup and got hit by this ban wave
Were you running iXtreme?
If yes, why were you running iXtreme but never booted a backup?
actually he kind of admits it was the firmware by saying no more bans, if the firmware wasn't detectable in the first place how will a new firmware cause no more bans, it takes courage to face up that he had flaws in the firmware and try to detect them instead of being in denial and saying no no no it can't be it MUST be the WaReZ.
good on him for constantly evolving the firmware after some of the shit the so called "scene" has put him through.
lol i don't care what the problem is as long as it = no more bans lol. But also seems the agbx db was bad anyway. (poison pills) i'm sit here and kindly wait. Can anyone tell me what the mfr date to look for when i go shopping for a new 360. I heard new ones are unmodifiable
i don't think abgx was the problem, too many people making their own backups and running originals were banned.
@krawhitham
Even if you don't boot Backups, you still use IXtreme. It's not an add-on, it's a replacement. So if you boot your originals, it is used. It will probably check whether the disc is a backup or not. Perhaps there is some delay or something like that in the response from the dvd drive to the Mainboard...
QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:39 AM)
i don't think abgx was the problem, too many people making their own backups and running originals were banned.
Well I'm going to disagree. Basically we don't know if they are telling the truth or not, but since he made the firmware no one else could and said every 3rd didn't verify I'm guessing the db isn't that good. But that's my opinion.
Its painfully obvious that the FW is what MS is detecting, I have a buddy who's 360 I modded with Xecuter.... He brought it home and played arcade games while waiting for his backups to finish and his Verbatims to be shipped. He was banned the next day. No backup (or retails for that matter) ever entered his drive, drive wasnt flashed from 360 power, There is no other factor than the fact that MS was able to test his DVD drive and diagnose it as a modded 360.
1+1=2
problem solved. No more speculation, dont go online with your modded 360 unless you want the banhammer.
disagree if you like. but c4eva wouldnt be so forthcoming in saying "no more bans" if abgx were really the cause.
I don't even really understand your sentence? "but since he made the firmware no one else could and said every 3rd didn't verify I'm guessing the db isn't that good"
what 3rd didn't verifiy and abgx has nothing to do with the firmware maker.
yes I agree with civicracer, there is no pattern in these bannings besides firmware.
This post has been edited by xboxer360: Nov 10 2009, 07:51 AM
Same here, flashed with iXtreme 1.6 Lite-on and never played a backup in my console and got banned.
( @[X]nWo[X] ) [c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!
.:23·40·37:. ( @[X]nWo[X] ) dont ask eta = ban
.:23·40·40:. ( @[X]nWo[X] ) dont ask question = ban
.:23·40·45:. ( @[X]nWo[X] ) liteon will be 1st
( @[X]nWo[X] ) we ripped 40+ ntsc games
( @[X]nWo[X] ) at least every 3rd didnt verify :c
( @[X]nWo[X] ) with a properly ripped ntsc
( @[X]nWo[X] ) so the db = defn has problems
( @[X]nWo[X] ) madden 10 is a prime exampke
( @[X]nWo[X] ) example
plain and simple modding is a privilege not a right and the people that cry b/c they get banned ought to not even bother with the firmware. Let's see even if micro$oft could detect firmware bad rips will make it all the easier to detect.
just because some rips aren't in the database doesn't mean it's bad.
it's obvious MS has been detecting the firmware, and even more obvious now that ix LT is getting released.
I never said it was perfect, but i know for a fact I've ripped a few of my own with my keon drive and they didn't verify, did I fix them nope? NO Am I banned? NO Will I be going on live anymore to get banned? Hell no! lol
that doesn't mean shit dude.. i've verified every game on level 3 on abgx, are both my consoles banned? NO
it's luck of the draw, and the fact that both my consoles are spoofed might fake them out a bit.
even if the database was bad, that doesn't mean the firmware isn't also bad, just READ what c4e said and make of it what you will.
This post has been edited by xboxer360: Nov 10 2009, 07:58 AM
I have two systems and neither is banned. 1. Samsung ms28 - don't even know the firmware half dead most of the time 2. Benq with 1.61 last time i was on live was yesterday for about 30 mins downloading whatever was free and using up my points b4 I got banned. More than likely I'm probably flagged guess i'll have to be a 
now
But back to a serious q....What to look for when i shop for a mod able 360?
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[c4eva] all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig
I thought iXtreme was always like that? That it was a replica of the original barring a few small changes?
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[c4eva] no more bans, No ETA!"
Looks like it was iXtreme that was causing the bans. If it was due to bad rips, there is nothing the firmware can do to stop it, meaning iXtreme LT wouldn't make a difference.
This post has been edited by ImRickJamesB1tch: Nov 10 2009, 08:01 AM
more efficient kind of implies firmware was responding/decoding replies too slow?
I'm just sick of all the speculation... anyone with an IQ of more that their 2 should see that the only common factor is the DVD Drive FW.... MS is running a diagnostic test on the dvd drive that if the firmware is stock it will respond one way, and if it has iXtreme it will respond another way.
It seems like they (iXtreme FW) were indistinguishable from original FW, but MS found a loophole / hacked their own drive code to check. And that's being patched up now.
I'm hoping iExtreme LT is safe during this FW check. I have a Liteon 1.6 that hasn't been banned yet, but throws a 54420 error on the support page. I think that means it's flagged to do a FW test the next time I play a game whilst connected to Live. There's reports that if this check passes, the 54420 error disappears... here's hoping.
This post has been edited by 111111: Nov 10 2009, 08:06 AM
QUOTE(111111 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:04 AM)
It seems like they (iXtreme FW) were indistinguishable from original FW, but MS found a loophole / hacked their own drive code to check. And that's being patched up now.
I'm hoping iExtreme LT is safe during this FW check. I have a Liteon 1.6 that hasn't been banned yet, but throws a 54420 error on the support page. I think that means it's flagged to do a FW test the next time I play a game whilst connected to Live. There's reports that if this check passes, the 54420 error disappears... here's hoping.
that seems to be what i've read too.. i would flash back to stock and hook it up with a retail game and play!!
QUOTE(civicracer1692 @ Nov 10 2009, 09:07 AM)
that seems to be what i've read too.. i would flash back to stock and hook it up with a retail game and play!!
The thing is, there's no stock Liteon FW. I'm just hoping that the new iXtreme will do in passing that check :3
Ya my sons three week old liteon was banned yesterday. He was a gold member and had only played a couple of times on live. I am a silver member and am still not banned thankfully Benq 1.6. Good work c4eva look forward to the new firmware. Lets hope one day we can crack that box open well and truly and give MS the Bird!
This is very good news. Tons of the people I modded systems for were banned. Before doing it, I warn each person before hand that it: 1) Voids the Warranty, and 2) Can get you banned. So, most of them were understanding with the situation, but disappointed.
I have not been banned on any of my 3 consoles. I am really interested in understanding how MS is detecting/deciding on the bans.
Could it be that since some games were incorrectly patched, that they are allowing MS to read the iXtreme firmware?
QUOTE(Fantasy Star @ Nov 10 2009, 07:04 AM)
It sucks being so poor and newbish.
better to be newb than n00b
This post has been edited by sektor1062: Nov 10 2009, 08:30 AM
hello im a small time modder here in Australia, ive done probably around 70 360s (i keep the top sheilding of the case as a trophy also helps me keep count) like every where else we got the ban wave but it struck me as odd as to the pattern. My mate was the first to call me thursday 5/11/09 saying whats going on, his is an arcade but a recycled one had all old internals Xeon motherboard and samsung 28 drive running iXtreme 1.51 all games are self created kreon rips, never used ABGX except to do stealth checks after we got banned just to see if it was the rips while all other mates and people from work were going on live fine.
Now last night it seems as if all the Lite-on's, Hitachis & BenQ's i did are getting hit now all same circumstances which for me rules out the back ups being bad, ABGX since we never used it as we rip them ourselves, using the 360 to power the drive during the flash since i used the CK3 (some 360s were flashed before they were even first turned on)...... its very suggesting that iXtreme is indeed detectable since we were doing everything pretty much right.
Is there any info about this new firmware regarding the newest liteons drive (the ones assembled in August manufactered console)?
I'm chosing to replace ma banned 360 with an used console never connected to the net with older liteon and iXtreme 1.6, played all kind of disk and early titles, or buy a new console but manufactered in August... What do you think will be the better choice?
This post has been edited by GDT: Nov 10 2009, 08:42 AM
QUOTE(evlspcmk @ Nov 10 2009, 08:30 AM)
...... its very suggesting that iXtreme is indeed detectable since we were doing everything pretty much right.
Im in Aus too mate. It sounds as though it is detectable, considering the first post and quoting c4eva
""[c4eva] .... all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!"" "
Wouldn't that suggest the ix was detectable in some way, or maybe not specifically that it's ix, rather that it is not the OFW running. I have been suggesting this from the start and being flamed.
QUOTE(GDT @ Nov 10 2009, 02:39 AM)
Is there any info about this new firmware regarding the newest liteons drive (the ones assembled in August manufactered console)?
im sure he is going to get the most important issue taken care of first which is the Banning of 360's... theres no sense in making a new firmware for a drive that we cant currently get the key off of anyways.
Kind of off topic but I want to know an answer. Its about undumpable liteons. WEll when the 360 boots it asks the drive for the key right? so they drive gives the key might be encrypted or [email protected] why can we make a program that can send a similar command and retrieve the key? 
I have been following news of the banwaves closely for the last week and just missed it when c4eva said it was the firmwares fault. Wish I would have noticed sooner. O well I hardly play online anyway. I'll still keep playing my games as usual just no need anymore to pay $50 a year for Live or update my firmware all the time. Kinda nice to be banned.
c4eva is hiding something or bluffing.He first said that FW was not detectable,and he believed the problem was with warez releases,if he discovered the answer,for the FW make any difference,he was wrong at first and now is hiding the reason the banning.Or he is just bluffing.
Makes sense that it was a hole in the iXtreme firmware that M$ was able to exploit with their recent update that has led to all the bans. There was just way too many people banned and many of them ones that played it extremely safe, myself included. I've personally modded nearly 40 boxes and most of the guys that play on Live have been dropping like flies. All except one guy I know who is running a non-stealth version of iXtreme 1.4 firmware. Of everyone I know I expected him to go first because he is most wreckless of all - always plays games before release and has passed along several copies to me that failed abgx360 verification. Could it be the reason he has not been banned is because iXtreme 1.4 is a more efficient firmware that does not have these holes that M$ has potentially been able to exploit? After all, I haven't heard of too many people being banned that are running non-stealth versions of iXtreme 1.4. I understand this is likely because there aren't too many people using it because it was thought not to be safe, but so far he's the only one I know not banned.
as always C4eva we are grateful for anything we receive . banned or not , without your free firmware over the years none of us would of been able to enjoy the modding community worldwide !
thank you 
Is this new firmware also working then for the new 83xx V2 and the 93xx Drives ?
I didnt found any information about that in all threads .
I've just brought a new 360 to replace my banned one, liteon 7xxxx
Should have read this thread 1st, as I flashed it with 1.6 with ck3 for power and went online for some MW2 original.
1 hour in and I was disconnected from live, tried to reconnect and was told I was banned.
This Console was brand new and never had a backup in it, online for no more than an hour playing original of MW2 and got banned.
To me this is obvious that they're detecting the firmware.
I'm not bitching as it was my choice to mod the firmware, well done M$. M$ 2 BM 0.
At least now I have my brother Chrimbo present sorted.
The problem is in the iXtreme 1.6 firmware.
One of my boxes got banned Friday last week. This was a BenQ which I flashed to iXtreme 1.61.
My other Xbox (Hitachi drive) I flashed to 1.51 on the same day.
The BenQ drive has been banned, the Xbox with the Hitachi drive is still spinning happily and I have been online playing games since Saturday on that box. No problems whatsoever...
QUOTE(delawaare @ Nov 10 2009, 08:52 AM)
Is this new firmware also working then for the new 83xx V2 and the 93xx Drives ?
I didnt found any information about that in all threads .
I doubt it ? if the ability to retrieve the keys on these other liteons had been worked out Im sure this would have been mentioned . this firmware in development will be just to patch any hole for bannings the other liteons Im sure are another case altogether
Sounds familiar, does anybody remember when ixtreme 1.0
The Titanic was unsinkable...That didn't stop the sea from taking it did it?
The Titanic was unsinkable...That didn't stop the sea from taking it did it? (apologies for second post)
This post has been edited by MrGood: Nov 10 2009, 10:17 AM
QUOTE(Sick0 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:58 AM)
The problem is in the iXtreme 1.6 firmware.
One of my boxes got banned Friday last week. This was a BenQ which I flashed to iXtreme 1.61.
My other Xbox (Hitachi drive) I flashed to 1.51 on the same day.
The BenQ drive has been banned, the Xbox with the Hitachi drive is still spinning happily and I have been online playing games since Saturday on that box. No problems whatsoever...
I'm running a hitachi with 1.51, taken all the usual safety measures and i'm banned
Microsoft was quick with these bans... but we are quicker!!
good work c4eva i hope the new fw is better then ever
Just expressing my thanks to C4 for the work hes doing and done in the past.
On a side note can anyone suggest what I should do about my consoles?
I have three LiteOn consoles, there all running 1.51 and all are unbanned (ATM) two have been online although I disconnected them a week or so back, whats the thoughts on these being safe with the new firmware or am I flagged and gone already?
The third was flashed and never used for games (Media center only) no originals or backups and never even connected to live, this one be safe or not?
I know there might not be any definate answers but was just seeing people thoughts.
lawl, people buying new consoles and modding them straightaway in the middle of a banwave... silly :3
If your console isn't banned yet... Don't turn it on!
If your console was banned and you bought a new one... Don't mod it!
QUOTE(xbox990 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM)
Just expressing my thanks to C4 for the work hes doing and done in the past.
On a side note can anyone suggest what I should do about my consoles?
I have three LiteOn consoles, there all running 1.51 and all are unbanned (ATM) two have been online although I disconnected them a week or so back, whats the thoughts on these being safe with the new firmware or am I flagged and gone already?
The third was flashed and never used for games (Media center only) no originals or backups and never even connected to live, this one be safe or not?
I know there might not be any definate answers but was just seeing people thoughts.
LOL, nice! You're taking a perfectly worthy news post and turning into a personal Q&A post for yourself. 
Just a quick note to C4 to say thanks for all his efforts 
All this speculation is useless, we'll have to trust that C4E does his work properly and I'm convinced he will.
We should all be more grateful for all the hard work he's putting into this.
QUOTE(drkoolbeanz @ Nov 10 2009, 11:29 AM)
LOL, nice! You're taking a perfectly worthy news post and turning into a personal Q&A post for yourself.
The questions were of a personal nature but the answer received will help alot of people, the news post stated 'this is whats happening' but had no information about 'what people should do for now' and its been answered.
On a note to regarding the topic, if the FW is the cause of the problem then no one should be blaming C4 at the end of the day hes not guarantied any of the work and has done so much for the community.
Again, thanks goes to C4!
QUOTE(thugnasty101 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:22 AM)
Microsoft was quick with these bans... but we are quicker!!
good work c4eva i hope the new fw is better then ever
So what part in developing 360 firmware do you have?
i have been online everyday with my backup's on my 1.6 lite-on firmware(up to 10 mins ago), not banned in close to 3 years.
I think some of you are mixing up the FW being undetectable and unreadable. C4 said the FW was unreadable which if a new FW comes out will still prove to be true. Clearly there are a lot of things going on at once that is the point of a banwave to cause confusing in the community. There are bad rips and it also appears but what c4 said that somehow they are detecting the FW is different.
I want to point out one more time detecting and reading are two different things. If the FW was readable that would be the end to FW with online capability. It appears that some response by the dvd drive is different and that is how MS is detecting the FW.
Also to whoever said they modded there FW and never played backups I call BS. Why the fuck would you mod your box with the risk of getting banned to play games you bought from the store when you can already do that on an unmodded box. Clearly you aren't telling the whole story.
QUOTE(hessec @ Nov 10 2009, 03:55 AM)
So what part in developing 360 firmware do you have?
Same job my boss has, bitching when something's not done yet?
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Also to whoever said they modded there FW and never played backups I call BS. Why the fuck would you mod your box with the risk of getting banned to play games you bought from the store when you can already do that on an unmodded box. Clearly you aren't telling the whole story.
my console is modded and has only ever played 1 backup, and that wasnt just a normal backup but the shader hack king kong disk, since then i retained the modded state after updating and never bothered to reverse it, i own all the games that have been played by my gamer tag, and dont have backups of any of them. personally i got it modded because it seemed like a good idea at the time in case i ever wanted to use it, but never got into the whole idea, king kong is the only exception simply because i wanted to see linux on the 360.
what do people think about using their current game tag for Live after a ban. This is now my second console banned under the same game tag that I use for Live. Wouldn't this make it easy for M$ the next time round to sniff people out? would it be wise to have a new game tag new console? The option has now been removed but if you logged on to xbox.com you where once able to see a list of console serial's and dates under your tag.
Plus i would like to thank C4 for all his efforts....
if ms can read fw directly they can see the difference again.it will be not same as %100 like original.xtreme fw bypassing security checks.maybe there are many difference in hex code.There will be still ban possibilities.
QUOTE(herewego @ Nov 10 2009, 12:08 PM)
what do people think about using their current game tag for Live after a ban. This is now my second console banned under the same game tag that I use for Live. Wouldn't this make it easy for M$ the next time round to sniff people out? would it be wise to have a new game tag new console? The option has now been removed but if you logged on to xbox.com you where once able to see a list of console serial's and dates under your tag.
Plus i would like to thank C4 for all his efforts....
This guy is smart. They can keep an extra eye on people whos gamertags were linked with a banned console.
Lol i got about 8 xbox linked to me which i have sold on
It would be nice, if C4EVA said, that the Firmware was not perfect.
We can read between the lines and i must say ist ok like it is.
Thanks for C4EVA for a new try. He is gona beat Microsoft.
Everyone banned has the new summer 09/wave4 disks/mandatory for LIVE play/killer of homebrew update. I think THAT has something to do with this. Perhaps C and some of the guys that hack nands to run Xell need to figure out what EXACTLY is in that update before proceeding. M$, after all, did re-write the whole bootloader.
You feel bad about being banned? Think of all of Commodore4ever's 360's he lost. Nobody has spent more time and money on this project then him(them?). Mad props.
This was from #fw(efnet) while I was on if you want a bit more info...
<@[X]nWo[X]> [c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!
<@[X]nWo[X]> liteon will be 1st
<@[X]nWo[X]> we ripped 40+ ntsc games
<@[X]nWo[X]> and ran em though abgx
<@[X]nWo[X]> at least every 3rd didnt verify :c
<@[X]nWo[X]> with a properly ripped ntsc
<@[X]nWo[X]> so the db = defn has problems
<@[X]nWo[X]> madden 10 is a prime example
<Zigtown> [X]nWo[X] does that mean that c4eva admits that the firmware is detectable?
<@[X]nWo[X]> no
<@[X]nWo[X]> he said his test boxes were ok
<jowjowfe> What happened to c4e's 3 xboxes?
<@[X]nWo[X]> not banned
http://pastebin.ca/1664686
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:04 AM)
my console is modded and has only ever played 1 backup, and that wasnt just a normal backup but the shader hack king kong disk, since then i retained the modded state after updating and never bothered to reverse it, i own all the games that have been played by my gamer tag, and dont have backups of any of them. personally i got it modded because it seemed like a good idea at the time in case i ever wanted to use it, but never got into the whole idea, king kong is the only exception simply because i wanted to see linux on the 360.
Well thank you for posting this. This at least clears some things up as to why you would mod your box. Now clearly MS didn't detect linux or the king kong hack or you would have been banned long ago. It looks like your case if it is true shows that somehow ms detected the FW with some code to read drive response time.
People need to chill the fuck out. If you get banned go buy another 360 with all the money you saved. Modding is not for pussies. If you can't afford it, you're in the wrong place and your a whinny little bitch that we don't want to hear from either. 
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I think some of you are mixing up the FW being undetectable and unreadable. C4 said the FW was unreadable which if a new FW comes out will still prove to be true. Clearly there are a lot of things going on at once that is the point of a banwave to cause confusing in the community. There are bad rips and it also appears but what c4 said that somehow they are detecting the FW is different.
I want to point out one more time detecting and reading are two different things. If the FW was readable that would be the end to FW with online capability. It appears that some response by the dvd drive is different and that is how MS is detecting the FW.
Also to whoever said they modded there FW and never played backups I call BS. Why the fuck would you mod your box with the risk of getting banned to play games you bought from the store when you can already do that on an unmodded box. Clearly you aren't telling the whole story.
Because I planned to use it for backups, only brought an hour ago with MW2.
Modded and played MW2, and got banned 1 hour ago, so don't give me the BS statement as you appear clueless.
The facts are sat in my front room.
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but based on that IRC transcript, it would seem ABGX can not be trusted on top of the firmware issue?
Looks like we need to wait for 2 things to happen. New firmware, and a new database. Ripping your own is always an option
QUOTE(evlspcmk @ Nov 10 2009, 07:30 AM)
hello im a small time modder here in Australia, ive done probably around 70 360s (i keep the top sheilding of the case as a trophy also helps me keep count)
When you flash 70 xbox 360's, you're not a small time modder, imo.
What's the use of taking away the shielding?
QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 10 2009, 08:08 AM)
ok...in IRC a couple people are saying im reading into this too much, but i think im reading it properly...
based on the highlighted it sounds like with the previous firmwares it was possible to see if the drive was flashed or not, it also says "no more bans" which means the firmware WAS the reason for these recent bans...
Don;t you think that if firmware was detectable that all modded consoles would have been banned immediately?
I think that C4E means the following:
1) new firmware is coming with minimal changes needed and more efficient
2) note he is saying undistinguishable in ALL aspects: meaning not detectable by MS if you send back you xbox for repair
3) AND no more bannings: Probably he is going to implement some kind of system either disabling the use of bad backups or giving good info to MS even if the backup is bad.
QUOTE(_burb_on_ @ Nov 10 2009, 08:19 AM)
FAIL...
"Sorry. ixtreme all versions is/are detectable or their behavior is detectable therefore hence a new FW is being worked on. For those with ixtreme I would advice no further use of 360 until this firmware is released. Until then, god bless 360scene. No technical data was being as to WHY its being detected all of a sudden."
Well I might be wrong there then
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Nov 10 2009, 08:27 AM)
Its a BS statement, I've never booted a backup and got hit by this ban wave
Then why did you mod your console?
QUOTE(civicracer1692 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:46 AM)
Its painfully obvious that the FW is what MS is detecting, I have a buddy who's 360 I modded with Xecuter.... He brought it home and played arcade games while waiting for his backups to finish and his Verbatims to be shipped. He was banned the next day. No backup (or retails for that matter) ever entered his drive, drive wasnt flashed from 360 power, There is no other factor than the fact that MS was able to test his DVD drive and diagnose it as a modded 360.
1+1=2
problem solved. No more speculation, dont go online with your modded 360 unless you want the banhammer.
Still MS could not detect all I think, otherwise they would have banned all modded consoles. Or it is a trick to keep people thinking the FW is not detectable. And have people buy expensive accessories meanwhile.
QUOTE(GamerBR @ Nov 10 2009, 10:22 AM)
c4eva is hiding something or bluffing.He first said that FW was not detectable,and he believed the problem was with warez releases,if he discovered the answer,for the FW make any difference,he was wrong at first and now is hiding the reason the banning.Or he is just bluffing.
And why would he do that? He is not gonna tell the reason or way he is gonna patch it because MS might interfere. I can;t understand why people start talking trash so easily even after years of service to the community of a certain person. If you don't like his way of working than don;t mod, just go buy your games. He warns everytime that you can be banned.
I think MS have been working hard and have found a way to hack into their own drives and read the firmware of the drive. Something they were not able to do normally. Well of course if they start hacking their own drive then they can create several ways for themselves to read out firmware and ban consoles. But no one was expecting that. So now we know the firmware will be changed so that even is MS reads out using this new way that you do not get detected.
When C4E said the firmware is undetectable he was right. Because it was undetectable at that time when MS used those tactics to detect it. Now MS is using new tactics.
Well I'll just go on and play on my PS3 now. Happy I sold my Xbox360 a couple of months ago
QUOTE(Perkele @ Nov 10 2009, 08:42 PM)
What's the use of taking away the shielding?
To make it non complient with ADR? 0.o seems kind of silly to be honest
QUOTE(Perkele @ Nov 10 2009, 10:42 AM)
When you flash 70 xbox 360's, you're not a small time modder, imo.
What's the use of taking away the shielding?
to collect as a trophy and help him keep count ! 
QUOTE(xbox990 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:55 AM)
The questions were of a personal nature but the answer received will help alot of people, the news post stated 'this is what’s happening' but had no information about 'what people should do for now' and its been answered.
On a note to regarding the topic, if the FW is the cause of the problem then no one should be blaming C4 at the end of the day he’s not guarantied any of the work and has done so much for the community.
Again, thanks goes to C4!
people were merely commenting origionally about a contradiction in his posts thats all.!
one was saying ixtreme is undetectable the other saying no more bans!
this tells me in my own opinion he knew it was possible to be detected due to firmware, now i mod and i play and im lucky to yet no ban on x2 my consoles but 4 of my recent flashed / reflashed ones banned.
No complaints fropm me ive had more than a fair run and so do my m8s and im gratefull for his efforts and looking forward to having the nu F/W release to play without ISO.activate but remember the origioanl reason we started answering to this thread was that origional issue
QUOTE(markyk1974 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:19 AM)
I'm running a hitachi with 1.51, taken all the usual safety measures and i'm banned
Probably not then, check your backups.. There must be a corrupt one somewhere in between.
My Hitachi Xbox has been offline for the last year, no backups played on it at all.
I have been playing NFS Shift since Saturday on that box (since my other xbox got banned) and there is no problem with the Xbox whatsoever. It happily logs onto Live and I can play games with my buddies.
EDIT: One of my friends is also running 1.51 on a Lite-On and has not been banned. So it has to do with faulty backups and most likely iXtreme 1.6
This post has been edited by Sick0: Nov 10 2009, 11:56 AM
it does look like the best way to go is to have a very basic as close to retail fw as can be done to stop any bad response bug ms can find i have always thought this thats why i've never used 1.6 i used a hiachi just for the sake of 1.51 i dont get why anyone needs wave checks in the fw when you should already have it checked on the disk it makes more sense to just check a game rather then open the 360 every time a new wave is out.
now the only problem is without these extra features in the fw we need to make double sure the rips are 100% xbgx needs to be checked and more strick ive heared of them using scene releases in the database
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more efficient , minimal patching, all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!
^^^ I suspect this is the key. Too many bad rips/incorrectly patched games. Sounds to me like the new firmware will do more to protect the console from giving away too much when bad rips/incorrectly patched games are used.
There's nothing here to suggest that the firware itself is somehow now readable or detectable.
QUOTE(dbdsneaky @ Nov 10 2009, 05:54 AM)
people were merely commenting origionally about a contradiction in his posts thats all.!
one was saying ixtreme is undetectable the other saying no more bans!
this tells me in my own opinion he knew it was possible to be detected due to firmware, now i mod and i play and im lucky to yet no ban on x2 my consoles but 4 of my recent flashed / reflashed ones banned.
No complaints fropm me ive had more than a fair run and so do my m8s and im gratefull for his efforts and looking forward to having the nu F/W release to play without ISO.activate but remember the origioanl reason we started answering to this thread was that origional issue
Depending on how MS does this new check maybe he found a check that MS was doing only at specific times and maybe that check pertained to getting at the drives Firmware .
He does Xbox Live logs to see what they are looking for.
And it's entirely possible that MS trying to keep the new check unknown or hidden from modders would do this check at specific times only.
Catch as many as possible at once and flag them for the next ban wave then return to it's typical detection methods so it would have hopefully never been found in a xbox live log.
Then some time later a rinse and repeat of the same tactics.
Maybe he just happened to find it in a live log that he just happened to do at the right time for the benefit of people who just want to blame him and call him names.
To Just assume he is a liar is pretty dumb.
Show this man some respect because he owes you nothing in fact I would say the community owes him !
This post has been edited by The Dude Z: Nov 10 2009, 12:17 PM
The reason they haven't banned everyone who has ixtreme is because they dont want the pirates to know that they can detect FW, so they ban randomly, thats my guess.
I don't understand how after all these years he's all of the sudden got the magical perfect firmware.
Now trust me, I REALLY appreciate everything C4Eva's done for the modding scene. I just think you guys are all blowing this way out of proportion.
Oh, and I think it's a pretty big stretch to say he admitted that the firmware is what is detectable by his statement... not that it isn't, but it's kind of dumb to assume that he meant that.
its amazing to see some people complaining ! even if its the firmware fault why you got banned think about the fact that you knew this could happen !not trying to start a war here, but the fact someone could make a firmware to read backups is amazing ! i know i couldnt do it ! im lucky i can mod boxes while reading a tutorial while doing it. there is alotta cup half full people on here I say thanks c4eva
Everyone who has nothing good to say to c4eva should STFU and say thank you. That is all we need fro
you.:..
BIG THANKS c4eva and team you saved me big.....
QUOTE(pigbait @ Nov 10 2009, 12:36 PM)
Everyone who has nothing good to say to c4eva should STFU and say thank you. That is all we need fro
you.:..
BIG THANKS c4eva and team you saved me big.....
My Words.
+1
Lol it is hilarious how much people read into a few lines of irc chat... has anyone thought of the possibility that the man didn't take into account that every word in those few lines would be twisted and turned and overanalyzed???
In my view, the message only states that he is trying to find out why the bans are going on, and at the same time he is creating a nice new firmware to counter M$.
Until we know more, there is no point in speculating whether or not the bans were due to one thing or another...
And yeah, most people here seem pretty ungrateful; but I think a lot of us also really appreciate everything c4eva has done for us, as well as how the community is supporting us n00b users...
And really, I read a lot of comments basicly saying: "This is why we were banned. If you dont agree, your IQ must be very low". I mean, come on, it's pretty obvious that a statement like that in fact leads back to the person with the low IQ...
Any protection against AP2.5?
Would it even be possible to protect against a dynamic LBA check?
why does it seem there's no respect for c4eva? its making me sick.. obnoxious
all these ungratefull noobs... heck if there wasn't no c4eva we'd be banned alltogether 2 years ago and never would have been on live in the first place.. heck would we even have hacked firmware? probably yes, but in much poorer quality.
someone should moderate these threads and ban all these nitwits
i totally agree with you j3ll3, people are blaming him because they got banned, YOU ALL knew the risks involved before flashing your drives, if you werent prepared to take a ban when it caught up with you then you shouldn't have flashed it.
Come on guys as mentioned before this a cat and mouse game C4Eva is the only guy keeping most of us mice live and playing and should be given some respect.
Do you really think microsoft are just going to sit back and say no problem let em flash and copy we dont care, they probably have teams downloading the new firmwaves same as us and using it to test and look for holes to exploit to catch people, the only guy fighting on the other team is C4Eva doing his best to patch these holes up as fast he can.
Like i said if you cant take the ban then dont mod your console, most of you whiners are probably going to be fine anyway as mummy will just buy you a new console!!!!
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 01:12 PM)
Im the first in do that,sell my banned 360 and buy another to put the new ix
But im still thinking that c4eva=MS
he could well be who knows, but surely if he was microsoft could wipe the whole modded community in one day if they chose to
c4eva is the only for the simple reason is MS
and is ok, is part of the game,more ban more sell, i dont have a problem with that
more ban i sell more consoles,more flash,more game, i dont cry
i have 3 360 in my home waiting to flash again
QUOTE(EaTGReeDY @ Nov 10 2009, 01:00 AM)
Yes! But I hope it comes out soon.I wana get my rank up on Modern Warfare 2 before my friends do.
Return firmware to stock and play your original.
Wow, and i thought the conspiracy talk couldn't get any more ridiculous.
This post has been edited by Takashi: Nov 10 2009, 01:27 PM
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 12:00 PM)
c4eva=MS
they banned all the consoles,and after that,make a new ix to all us buy new cosole
LOL what rubbish !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 02:23 PM)
c4eva is the only for the simple reason is MS
and is ok, is part of the game,more ban more sell, i dont have a problem with that
more ban i sell more consoles,more flash,more game, i dont cry
i have 3 360 in my home waiting to flash again
You sir are a nitwit! Please don't flash them as you don't deserve to have a flashed xbox with such a crap attitude.
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:27 PM)
Return firmware to stock and play your original.
BoNg420, can you please give me the original lite-on 83850 firmware then, i'd love to reflash to original a.t.m. 
QUOTE(cypher21 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:35 AM)
BoNg420, can you please give me the original lite-on 83850 firmware then, i'd love to reflash to original a.t.m.
I was just giving the guy shit because he said he can't play a game, didnt know what drive he had.
QUOTE(crs @ Nov 10 2009, 01:08 PM)
In case you haven't noticed, most consoles you buy now is currently unflashable, with the new Lite-On revisions and whatnot.
Hi, this is probably a really stupid and no doubt totally off-topic question. I bought an elite this friday (havent flashed it yet due to banwave) and I know for sure it has a lite-on drive (2 yellow wires). How do I know if it is moddable or not? That would be really useful information - i heard talks of this before, but I haven't found any solid useful info when searching on the internet)
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 02:00 PM)
c4eva=MS
they banned all the consoles,and after that,make a new ix to all us buy new cosole
Maybe you are right.There is only 1 fw release in the scene.ixtreme.Why do anybody cant release another fw.You know.Microsoft loves monopol. 
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 11:00 PM)
c4eva=MS
they banned all the consoles,and after that,make a new ix to all us buy new cosole
I've finally worked it out!
c4eva=MS=9/11 .. it all makes sense now... 
its a bit silly saying that he works for ms, it wouldnt make sense, i am the greatful that he does what he does. for those people who say c4=ms, dont bother flashing your xbox with his firmware then ??
hmmm
thanks c4
ms says that to c4,thanks,millons of banned console and millons of new sells console for your fw!!!!
and me are one of that,banned and new console!!!!
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 01:45 PM)
ms says that to c4,thanks,millons of banned console and millons of new sells console for your fw!!!!
and me are one of that,banned and new console!!!!
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Lol. Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is going to sell millions of unflashable consoles...
My guess would be c4eva is a well known and respected person in the scene who has released under a different name anonymously in fear of repercussions... Though who knows.
Thanks whoever you are! :-D
dangal has it,
Question:
What does Jungleflasher run on?
Answer:
Windows!
M$ must have planned this for years to keep there operating systems going!
This topic is getting silly now.
Obviously, this guy c4eva is doing a great job in the firmware. Seems to not be appreciated that much
I'd like to say as well, maybe those who flash dozens and dozens of xboxes to make a quick buck will think twice when the new firmware is released. Hopefully it will stay community focused and more controlled. If you want to flash your own console, there's enough articles and resources out there, and if you can't do it, then you're probably one of the ones bitching about the banhammer.
Nothing against doing one or two close mates a favour by modding their boxes, but when you start making it mainstream to anyone who will give you £20 then it (the f/w) has to have public releases etc. and is easier for M$ to get their hands on and run tests against.
Not having a go at anyone but food for thought. If you can't use irc or xbins, or are scared about modding your console, then you shouldn't be dabbling in my opinion.
/me dabbles in your opinion, lolz
Some of these posts have made me laugh.
Regardless of who C4 is he is someone who's brought us a way to mod our consoles in a very simple and easy way these days.
I can't believe some people are accussing him of working for MS. Hah.
I also can't believe the conspiracy theories behind everything, that C4's firmware has meant everyone has been banned etc.
I've not been banned, I've been running C4's fw since it was 1.1; and I'm running 1.61 on my Benq now and I have a newer unflashable lite-on elite waiting, that will have custom fw on too once a method is available to do this.
I thank C4 for everything he has done and continues to do for us all. People are blaming him but they know the risks when they mod their consoles. I check all my games with agbx before I burn, I don't play games before retail release and I don't install system updates until I know their safe to do.
Maybe some of these people accusing C4 should try doing this, I bet half of them where online playing MW2 last week bragging to their friends about it!
Once again, thanks a million to C4eva. We should support the guy because without him we would have no custom fw. Or a poor quality one at that and him the potentional of homebrew would never be a possiblity.
Why doesnt MS go and better their operating systems instead of banning? They still make a bunch of money with people that arent even interested in modding...
MS= ALWAYS HACKABLE SOMEHOW
QUOTE(micpuk @ Nov 10 2009, 06:59 AM)
I check all my games with agbx before I burn, I don't play games before retail release and I don't install system updates until I know their safe to do.
I do the same thing, but I got banned. I thought the same as you at first. This is one of those ban waves where idiots are getting banned because they deserve it for playing non-retail games or playing bad rips or playing games early.
But this is different. I am sure lots of people got banned for being idiots, but this time people are getting banned with nothing but verified games and no early playing.
People are even getting banned that have modded their drives, but never played burnt games. Before you say that is stupid why would they do that; they were testing to see if it was the firmware. I have several reliable people who have gotten banned for just having their drives modded without playing a burnt game.
With all that said this isn't c4eva's fault. If you mod your console you are running the risk of getting banned. PERIOD. He does awesome work and all this talk of it being his fault is just FUCKING stupid. If you got banned it is your fault. Know the risks and don't complain.
There isn't anything wrong with talking about it though. Nothing wrong with asking questions or throwing out theories as long as they aren't ignorant.
The geniuses that work on these things will have this figured out in no time and everyone should just chill until then. Don't be surprised if you get banned though.
QUOTE(rock31482 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:04 PM)
Why doesnt MS go and better their operating systems instead of banning? They still make a bunch of money with people that arent even interested in modding...
MS= ALWAYS HACKABLE SOMEHOW (IMG:
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No matter what Microsoft do they'll always be people who will try / want to find ways around it. This is always the case and probably will be the case forever.
No matter how much money they pump in to it they'll be someone who finds a way around it so it's easier to ban someone and make them go spend more money on another console. Even though their banning people the majority will go out and buy another console to play online with, so really it's a win / win for them regardless.
QUOTE(micpuk @ Nov 10 2009, 02:59 PM)
Some of these posts have made me laugh.
Regardless of who C4 is he is someone who's brought us a way to mod our consoles in a very simple and easy way these days.
I can't believe some people are accussing him of working for MS. Hah.
I also can't believe the conspiracy theories behind everything, that C4's firmware has meant everyone has been banned etc.
I've not been banned, I've been running C4's fw since it was 1.1; and I'm running 1.61 on my Benq now and I have a newer unflashable lite-on elite waiting, that will have custom fw on too once a method is available to do this.
I thank C4 for everything he has done and continues to do for us all. People are blaming him but they know the risks when they mod their consoles. I check all my games with agbx before I burn, I don't play games before retail release and I don't install system updates until I know their safe to do.
Maybe some of these people accusing C4 should try doing this, I bet half of them where online playing MW2 last week bragging to their friends about it!
Once again, thanks a million to C4eva. We should support the guy because without him we would have no custom fw. Or a poor quality one at that and him the potentional of homebrew would never be a possiblity.
Agreed!!
If you flash your firmware, expect to be banned, and dont go back moaning to the original hacker about it - its YOUR fault.
If u got nothing constructive to say, then say nothing!! Just leave c4eva to do his work, and let others appreciate it,...
If you dont want to be banned in future, dont mod your console, simple answer, your the one's who agreed to MS Terms and Conditions!!
Ive not got a modded console myself, but even i can see the work this guy puts in is priceless, not only that, this is the one place to have all your XBOX queries answered and provides excellent information, so if you dont like it, and the work people do on here, maybe the MODS should start doing some banning of their own!!
QUOTE(drunken_marlboroman @ Nov 10 2009, 12:49 PM)
My guess would be c4eva is a well known and respected person in the scene who has released under a different name anonymously in fear of repercussions... Though who knows.
Thanks whoever you are! :-D
oh shucks you got me !! LOL
Ixtreme 1.5 was perfect you fools are scared to modify your disk, either cause you dont know how or You believe in abgx. Thats why its so funny to me that ur all banned and the guy who's been patching his games using mullter since wave three is still online.
By the way, ive noticed that my 360 background downloading lite flashes after i turn off my 360 its never done that before, so i started unpluging the ethernet after i turn it off.
Me and everyone that i make games for are still online.
.... So far at least.
Hey any info on these unmoddable liteons? I got a box this friday and I need to know if I can flash it? Any help or links to pages, tutorials is more than welcome, plz.
thx
Hey any info on these unmoddable liteons? I got a box this friday and I need to know if I can flash it? Any help or links to pages, tutorials is more than welcome, plz.
thx
FOA: allsewnup
Yeah I've just seen about people being banned for just having their drives modded. I guess this is something more than just people being stupid.
Although, I 100% agree with your post, you know the risks. You just have to accept it, not being able to play online isn't the end of the world either.
another thing that people forget ( and i have been banned since yesterday ) is the work that great man named C4eva is doing and no price asked to anyone... im not very good at english so sorry
he could make a fortune if he was selling that firmware but no, he is giving it away freely on the net and some people are making business modding consoles 
im a poor person but i love to give some money for the research of C4eva
its realy amazing playing backups because of the firmware omg
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 10 2009, 03:12 PM)
Ixtreme 1.5 was perfect you fools are scared to modify your disk, either cause you dont know how or You believe in abgx. Thats why its so funny to me that ur all banned and the guy who's been patching his games using mullter since wave three is still online.
By the way, ive noticed that my 360 background downloading lite flashes after i turn off my 360 its never done that before, so i started unpluging the ethernet after i turn it off.
Me and everyone that i make games for are still online.
.... So far at least.
bull of the shit.
QUOTE(dromiderry @ Nov 10 2009, 08:28 AM)
bull of the shit.
Huh? Bullshit?
Im still online dude never updated to 1.51 or 1.6.
patched all games to wave 2.
Ive said this multiple times in these forums.
Still online
Big Thanks to 'c4eva' for all his hard work. Can't believe some people are so ungrateful. I bet next they'll want a firmware that sends back a valid and good Console ID so they show up as unbanned.
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 10 2009, 11:12 PM)
Ixtreme 1.5 was perfect you fools are scared to modify your disk, either cause you dont know how or You believe in abgx. Thats why its so funny to me that ur all banned and the guy who's been patching his games using mullter since wave three is still online.
By the way, ive noticed that my 360 background downloading lite flashes after i turn off my 360 its never done that before, so i started unpluging the ethernet after i turn it off.
Me and everyone that i make games for are still online.
.... So far at least.
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 10 2009, 11:34 PM)
Huh? Bullshit?
Im still online dude never updated to 1.51 or 1.6.
patched all games to wave 2.
Ive said this multiple times in these forums.
Still online
wave 2 or wave 3 which one is it?
QUOTE(nfidel @ Nov 9 2009, 02:48 PM)
Congrats Toddler! I had no idea my little 54420 discovery could be used to "reverse the curse". Maybe I'll get brave enough to try reflashing and addressing my own 54420 issue. Thanks for the report.
Yes, my Brother was the first one to actually report this - as he had a system that we assume was flagged to be banned because he got the 54420 error - then flashed his BenQ Back to original firmware and now is not getting the 54420 error page anymore.
QUOTE(GamerBR @ Nov 10 2009, 03:22 AM)
c4eva is hiding something or bluffing.He first said that FW was not detectable,and he believed the problem was with warez releases,if he discovered the answer,for the FW make any difference,he was wrong at first and now is hiding the reason the banning.Or he is just bluffing.
He is not hiding or bluffing anything. He has stated that it was possible for MS to detect the firmware was not the original firmware. However, they still can not READ The firmware from the drives through LIVE. They see some check/recheck values are not what the stock firmware returns.
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 07:00 AM)
c4eva=MS
they banned all the consoles,and after that,make a new ix to all us buy new cosole
You sir, are an idiot. Stay out - nobody wants to hear your pathetic BS. Lemme guess - you modded your console yourself not to long ago, and just recently got banned. Go have your little temper tantrum someplace else, and when the new firmware does get released by GOD (C4E) do not download it, do not install it, do not pass "Go," and by all means, do NOT Collect $20 for installing it on someone else's system.
QUOTE(cypher21 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:35 AM)
BoNg420, can you please give me the original lite-on 83850 firmware then, i'd love to reflash to original a.t.m. (IMG:
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Why not just get a BenQ and spoof it as a lite-On with the key, into the Original BenQ Firmware.
You will have a stock firmware then - just BenQ Spoofed as Lite-On. The firmware will act the same as the original firmware because it will be original firmware just looking like a Lite-On.
On a Side Note: Has anyone with a Mod CHIP been banned - because I have NOT seen ANY Reports of it - including the 170+ page Thread that was recently closed.
Ced.
Does using the connection test ban check method cripple your xbox 360, too? Or does it only happen when you connect to LIVE for real?
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 10 2009, 08:34 AM)
Huh? Bullshit?
Im still online dude never updated to 1.51 or 1.6.
patched all games to wave 2.
Ive said this multiple times in these forums.
Still online
Or they just haven't banned you yet, you never know if your flagged or not.
QUOTE(greatsave9 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:34 PM)
Big Thanks to 'c4eva' for all his hard work. Can't believe some people are so ungrateful. I bet next they'll want a firmware that sends back a valid and good Console ID so they show up as unbanned.
Hes working on that next year I believe ??? LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:41 AM)
Or they just haven't banned you yet, you never know if your flagged or not.
dont leave my last words out.
i said so far.
and to the other guy i said i patched all my games since wave three. so they all are wave 2.
Thank you C4E. Your hard work, dedication, time, effort and money is all appreciated here and I am sure I am not alone.
I haven't yet seen anything which clearly states that C4E has said that the firmware is detectable/readable. I've read his statement re: new f/w and no bans but this can be taken in many ways... it could mean more protection and it sends MS info which is OK regardless of what's in the drive. It could send MS nothing. It could send MS a photo of you from your live vision cam... could means nothing.
Wait for the f/w release. If you are OK with the risk of being banned then flash away and play away. If not then return to stock, sell the console and buy a new one, whatever it takes to get a stock console.
What C4E does for us is a great service, and all for free (or for respect which he has from most people). What he gives us is a privilege not a right. We all know the risks of using this privilege and should take the responsibility should the worst happen rather than blame someone else. Unless you were forced to have a flashed console then it is your fault, end of.
C4E, I await the release of this new f/w, keep us posted as and when you can/want. Until then we will just have to play originals on stock consoles, risk bans or just use the banned console without live capabilities.
Thank you.
P.S. Let me donate something to you. Is there no way we can contribute to the costs involved in your R&D/testing etc?
QUOTE(greatsave9 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:34 PM)
Big Thanks to 'c4eva' for all his hard work. Can't believe some people are so ungrateful.
"people"=MS shills?
Don't forget that there is a group at MS that gets paid very well to try and disrupt the scene. Remember the FoundMy.com key collection project?
This post has been edited by bedojunkmail: Nov 10 2009, 02:49 PM
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 10 2009, 03:44 PM)
dont leave my last words out.
i said so far.
and to the other guy i said i patched all my games since wave three. so they all are wave 2.
and all your friends use your mulleter confirmed patched to wave 2 games.
Wow we have the winning formula, an older FW revision and mulleter.
1 thing has kept you online and one thing only LUCK.
QUOTE(dromiderry @ Nov 10 2009, 08:52 AM)
and all your friends use your mulleter confirmed patched to wave 2 games.
Wow we have the winning formula, an older FW revision and mulleter.
1 thing has kept you online and one thing only LUCK.
Damn dude. Why the hate?
I play online everyday. Im looking foward to the ban, but im just letting you guys know my setup.
Yes the get their games from me. We are all fine we have not been hiding in caves been playing Mow2 since friday.
the slightest change will still change the CRC of the firmware, which is probably what microsoft checks. it is impossible to make a hacked firmware that is indistinguishable from the orig.
wow actually looking back through this thread im surprised the mods havent been dishing out bans and stuff, there are some blatently obvious admissions to piracy all over the place
Haha no more bans? I doubt that, I mean seriously I think that was said countless times though the other firmware.
It would be fun though. To be double banned...
Great news.
only one man in the world know how make a fw,please come on!!!?
c4eva if you wanna we can send you 2 millon consoles banned for your next test the new fw
please defens c4eva again,im waiting
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 09:18 AM)
only one man in the world know how make a fw,please come on!!!?
c4eva if you wanna we can send you 2 millon consoles banned for your next test the new fw
please defens c4eva again,im waiting
Apparently, yes... he's the only one who knows what he's doing when it comes to the hacked firmware. Sending him every banned console isn't gonna help, it's bad enough they are crippled once banned. Besides, what's with everyone stating this whole "we need to" mentality. It's bad enough that there's blatant admissions of piracy in the guise of "modding community" speak all throughout this thread. Most of you kiddies just want to be able to pirate and not get caught (obviously, you haven't read the disclaimer since day one). These firmware/banned threads are always amusing to read; all the noob pirates coming out with the rhetorical questions, half-cooked theories, and childish demands... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
If i was M$ i would want to raise confusion and panic amongst modders, and how would i do that?
Well mainly i wouldn't ban everyone,,, result, confusion, no one really sure how M$ are detecting our modded consoles, why some people are banned and others aren't, causing panic in this, and many other threads all over the net.
Plus if i was M$ i'd definitely want C4eva on the payroll, that guy rocks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If this is the end for us modders, then we've had a good run and saved loads of money, we should thank C4eva and the rest for their hard work and move on.
This post has been edited by ilscuro: Nov 10 2009, 03:31 PM
c4eva is great thanks for ur hard work.
p.s 600.000 banned in us alone 
QUOTE(drunken_marlboroman @ Nov 10 2009, 01:42 PM)
I've finally worked it out!
c4eva=MS=9/11 .. it all makes sense now... (IMG:
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still rotfling
in all of this "crap talking", i found strange what a guy said...the blaster 360 doesn't work with his 93450c.
Should be investigated this thing?
second thing: 1.6 is the target of these bans because is the most used (I think), thus I think that's not correct talking about the safety of older firmwares
This post has been edited by totoz: Nov 10 2009, 03:43 PM
QUOTE(krawhitham @ Nov 10 2009, 08:03 AM)
but c4eva said FW was not detectable
QUOTE(Blargharg @ Nov 10 2009, 08:07 AM)
And he hasn't retracted that statement. He just said that this new firmware will be more efficient and indistinguishable in all aspects from the original, which i suppose means it will be impossible to tell apart even in vendor mode, bypassing any fears we had about Microsoft being able to read the firmware? We'll see.
If the FW is not detectable why is there any need to make any changes to it other than adding support for Wave 4 games? Although it always worried me that stock FW is 'future proof' for new waves whereas iXtreme isn't - that could make it different enough to be detected in some way and this announcement does imply that existing FW may be detectable after all, otherwise there would be no need for it. So in what ways could Lite Touch be more efficient? Sounds like it might be future proof like the stock FW, it could do that by having fewer stealth checks, meaning that you'd have to check even more thoroughly that your backups are 100% stealthed before running them, which is a good idea - it would mean that any bans would be strictly the user's fault for making bad backups.
Anyway, keep up the good work c4eva, I will be watching this space...
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 09:18 AM)
only one man in the world know how make a fw,please come on!!!?
c4eva if you wanna we can send you 2 millon consoles banned for your next test the new fw
please defens c4eva again,im waiting
Where's your fw? bet it's top tier stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
MS spent MILLIONS in research, and all they could come up with was the same old shit they have always used to detect, only more frequently. c4eva can't anticipate every move, all he can do is react, and do his best to stay one up on them. You do know he's up against an entire division CAMPUS of some of the smartest U of W/Berkley graduates in the world my friend?
I've been posting on this site since Nov 2, to STAY THE F$CK OFF XBOX LIVE, NEW FIRMWARE IN DEV. As did, many others. You made a choice not to listen, so go blame yourself. To those that did listen, it should only be a few weeks, tops.
The sort of goes against 2 of my newly modded consoles. 1 only playing retail games and has NEVER had a backup and still on Live fine. The other ran nothing but retail games for 1 day then banned within 1 minute of putting a backup in.
I still do not think they can detect the firmware. At least not directly. As such a IX flashed drive that never gets a backup will still look like a stock firmware to Live. When a retail disk is inserted the firmware doesn't go into stealth mode to "fake" some stealth tests that is likely detectable.
So in this aspect C4eva is still correct in stating the the firmware itself is NOT detectable but the stealth patching the firmware performs when a backup is inserted IS detectable.
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:37 AM)
So in this aspect C4eva is still correct in stating the the firmware itself is NOT detectable but the stealth patching the firmware performs when a backup is inserted IS detectable.
This is how I understand it as well. But in order to fix this problem new firmware will need to be made in order to disguise the backups better. Because there is no real way to make a 100% mirror copy of a xbox 360 game.
Although a few people have said they got banned with modded firmware and just playing bought games. I know one person for sure who did this just to see if he would still get banned and he did.
This post has been edited by AllSewnUp: Nov 10 2009, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(Ree1981 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:55 AM)
Soooo, no iXtreme 1.61 for Lite-on or...?
Im guessing not.. oh well, this new fw sounds better. I just hope it doesn't take to long to come out, i wanna play mw2 lol
If you haven't checked if your banned yet then try this.
Take a fine line marker pen, look at the serial on the back of your console, if you have a number that you could transform into another number ie 6 to an 8 using the marker pen then when you next sign in you wont get banned.....
lol obviously this is just a joke, don't try this.
Banned here but appreciate all the time and hard work C4E has put into this project, big respect thankyou so much
Can someone tell me why it isnt possible to make a 100% retail like backup? I think this got asked the first days of modding but I was just not there when the scene started and all..
EDIT-NVM I just fuc*** googled it...
ANd heres a GOOD THREAD I READ BAOUT BACKUPS
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/647406
This post has been edited by halleluia: Nov 10 2009, 03:53 PM
Wouldn't be something to do with commercial disks are pressed not burnt?
EDIT-NVM just seen your link lol
This post has been edited by ilscuro: Nov 10 2009, 03:56 PM
If your afraid to go online to see if you are banned. go to xbox.com Apply for Redring repair and when they ask for your serial info it will let you know if you have an option for repair on not. Any repair for that matter.
Also anyone who has been banned and want their xbox live money back can call and get a refund. No matter how long you have been in your current subscription, This has been confirmed with 6 people i know. Test it out yourself and confirm.
Just wanted to say THANKS C4E!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone know if C4E has or takes donations?
"No more bans" will become a reality for liteon ONLY when the hacked fw is done by some real hackers from xboxhacker.net
There is not cat and mouse, only cat and cat $$$
QUOTE(ilscuro @ Nov 10 2009, 04:29 PM)
Plus if i was M$ i'd definitely want C4eva on the payroll, that guy rocks (IMG:
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Surely they would love C4eva to help develop the security for the next xbox-console (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Let's hope that never happens, 'cause everyone who eant's to mod is depending on this one guy... 360-jesus? omg!
Swine Flue, traffic accident, if something happens to him we all lose, kind of hard to think of.
Live long, and prosper C4eva!
Well explained ranger Nice to see that progress is being made!
i never assumed that ixtreme LT was only for lite on drives
I saw someone ask if it was only for lite on drives and was never answered
so is it for lite on drives only?
My box finally got hit most of my friends did too
there are a couple remaining but in my opinion its only a matter of time because we all dropped at different time intervals.
Does anyone think it is possible for Microsoft to detect if the firmware has changed? Ex. 1.4 to 1.5 to 1.6?
First i'd like to thanks c4eva for all his hard work!!!! .. period!!
i have up most respect for you and your crew and you deserve a lot more from us!!
but you guy here and there in the forum are really funny!!
would you really believe that there is ever gonna be a lite touch firmware that is not detectable???
you have to be out of your mind to believe that m$ wont find a hole in this firmware as well! it's just a matter of time!
sure c4eva has several 1.61 LT up and running and is not getting band because m$ in not trying to detect his new LT type firmware. rest assured that when m$ and the entire community get there hands on 1.61 LT firmware they will just find another way to identify it! (like they have ways done in the past!)
for me xbl with modded console is a dead dream. i wont believe that come next november 2010 they wont start a new wave because of 1.61 LT firmware HAHAHAHA!!! ( you got to admit its funny how everybody falls for the same trick over and over again)
and all you guy start heading down to the store again to buy a new 360 with 1.81 Stealth Lite Super Duper Undetectable New firmware and the cycle starts again!
i'l just keep my x360 offline and play all games not wort online time
while getting a PS3 for online games pure and simple!!!
maybe this will eliminate the need for activate.iso
This post has been edited by zoocircle: Nov 10 2009, 05:02 PM
QUOTE(Decko5 @ Nov 10 2009, 03:39 PM)
i never assumed that ixtreme LT was only for lite on drives
I saw someone ask if it was only for lite on drives and was never answered
so is it for lite on drives only?
My box finally got hit most of my friends did too
there are a couple remaining but in my opinion its only a matter of time because we all dropped at different time intervals.
Thought the LT was for LiTe???
QUOTE(bizzle182 @ Nov 10 2009, 03:43 PM)
Does anyone think it is possible for Microsoft to detect if the firmware has changed? Ex. 1.4 to 1.5 to 1.6?
That's the million dollar question m8, where ya bin Mars?
Samsung, Hitachi, BenQ fw are different from LiteON. MS can detect if they are hacked with a simple read command
Liteon fw cannot be read externally. It is detected by "accidentally" injected errors giving wrong answers about a disk... If original LiteOn firmware will ever leaked, these accidentally injected errors will be removed, and MS will be in BIG BIG troubles... That's why you will never see the original LiteOn fw at least before a new console generarion is out
EDIT: MS and c4eva can continue to do their jobs $$$ but they cannot stop us thinking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by d05register: Nov 10 2009, 05:13 PM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 10 2009, 12:56 AM)
Hopefully he will give as little info as possible about this type of stuff so that it takes MS longer to try and find ways of detecting it.
*nods* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 10 2009, 11:05 AM)
Samsung, Hitachi, BenQ fw are different from LiteON. MS can detect if they are hacked with a simple read command
Liteon fw cannot be read externally. It is detected by "accidentally" injected errors giving wrong answers about a disk... If original LiteOn firmware will ever leaked, these accidentally injected errors will be removed, and MS will be in BIG BIG troubles... That's why you will never see the original LiteOn fw at least before a new console generarion is out
EDIT: MS and c4eva can continue to do their jobs $$$ but they cannot stop us thinking (IMG:
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where is this info from?
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:28 AM)
where is this info from?
Tales from the punchbowl (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:28 PM)
where is this info from?
My guess is it is because when you connect to your PC you can pull the firmware off of the Samsung, Hitachi, and BenQ but you can't pull the firmware off the Lite-On. Although this is on the PC so it doesn't necessarily apply to the Xbox.
This thread has got completely out of hand and is just foolish.
Thanks for all ur work in the past and present to C4E
QUOTE(LoS HimSelF @ Nov 10 2009, 11:41 AM)
This thread has got completely out of hand and is just foolish.
Thanks for all ur work in the past and present to C4E
yep. done with it too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(111111 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:04 AM)
It seems like they (iXtreme FW) were indistinguishable from original FW, but MS found a loophole / hacked their own drive code to check. And that's being patched up now.
I'm hoping iExtreme LT is safe during this FW check. I have a Liteon 1.6 that hasn't been banned yet, but throws a 54420 error on the support page. I think that means it's flagged to do a FW test the next time I play a game whilst connected to Live. There's reports that if this check passes, the 54420 error disappears... here's hoping.
Where exactly do you see this error and what does it mean?
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:51 AM)
Where exactly do you see this error and what does it mean?
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=695815
All of us banned boys and girls would love a non-stealth firmware that doesn't bother with the stealth checks so we can use all our old backups. or at least uses the same activate.iso as 1.6
QUOTE(d4rk5ky @ Nov 10 2009, 09:46 AM)
Im guessing not.. oh well, this new fw sounds better. I just hope it doesn't take to long to come out, i wanna play mw2 lol
You can still use the activate iso or play your original (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
QUOTE(gusradio @ Nov 10 2009, 04:58 PM)
All of us banned boys and girls would love a non-stealth firmware that doesn't bother with the stealth checks so we can use all our old backups. or at least uses the same activate.iso as 1.6
Flash to 1.51 mate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
great work to all involved. i wish i kept my box offline a little longer so i could have avoided getting banned, but i can't wait to see what you cooked up to combat this ban wave (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(ste030 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:08 PM)
that isn't going to do anything for him unless he has a hitachi, at which point other non-stealth firmwares exist anyways.
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 10 2009, 06:27 PM
QUOTE(sengoku @ Nov 10 2009, 10:54 AM)
First i'd like to thanks c4eva for all his hard work!!!! .. period!!
i have up most respect for you and your crew and you deserve a lot more from us!!
but you guy here and there in the forum are really funny!!
would you really believe that there is ever gonna be a lite touch firmware that is not detectable???
you have to be out of your mind to believe that m$ wont find a hole in this firmware as well! it's just a matter of time!
sure c4eva has several 1.61 LT up and running and is not getting band because m$ in not trying to detect his new LT type firmware. rest assured that when m$ and the entire community get there hands on 1.61 LT firmware they will just find another way to identify it! (like they have ways done in the past!)
for me xbl with modded console is a dead dream. i wont believe that come next november 2010 they wont start a new wave because of 1.61 LT firmware HAHAHAHA!!! ( you got to admit its funny how everybody falls for the same trick over and over again)
and all you guy start heading down to the store again to buy a new 360 with 1.81 Stealth Lite Super Duper Undetectable New firmware and the cycle starts again!
i'l just keep my x360 offline and play all games not wort online time
while getting a PS3 for online games pure and simple!!! (IMG:
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So, with all that said... why are you here following this thread?
I'm running 1.6 on a liteon
Not banned as of yet, still no error code on MS website.
I'm thinking I should stay OFFLINE until this new Firmware Comes out.
Is this the general consensus?
That's sweet deals hearing about this!
Props out to C4E and the whole crew dedicating their time towards finding a solution!
Myself, I have evaded the ban for now. Although I get the error 54420 for a M$ repair, I can still log in to live, I can log into the MS website, and I don't get a 190D error code. So there may be hope with this new FW!
Thanks be to everybody!
QUOTE(KidShowtime @ Nov 10 2009, 12:18 PM)
I'm running 1.6 on a liteon
Not banned as of yet, still no error code on MS website.
I'm thinking I should stay OFFLINE until this new Firmware Comes out.
Is this the general consensus?
That's what I am doing.
What do you mean, "still no error code on MS website"
I havent been on live since my friend got banned last thursday. Thanks to him Ive been able to evade seeing that dreaded message by staying offline. But I have a feelling that Ive been flagged and as i sign in...BAM. Not going on live unless Im 100% sure
liteon users that have been unplugged will most likely be banned on connect even after flashing with this new firmware.
QUOTE(ThE MaSTeR 3 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:29 PM)
liteon users that have been unplugged will most likely be banned on connect even after flashing with this new firmware.
How do you come to that conclusion ?? if you havnt been flaged, ie not pluged in thru the whole ban wave then why should we can banned once flashed 2 c4e new firmware ??
My suggestion is to move your GT over to a mem card when you're ready to go online and find out if your box is banned or not. This way if you are banned it won't corrupt your hard drive.
cant you just check warranty status to see if your warranty is up = ban ?
First off, Thank you C4eva!!!! Second, M$ can download hacked firmware just like us. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to take it apart and see what makes it tick, issue a patch for all of us to download (which is mandatory) and bingo!!! I bet at one time the FW was undetectable,but obviously not now. Anyway the cat and mouse game continues.............
QUOTE(ste030 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:32 PM)
How do you come to that conclusion ?? if you havnt been flaged, ie not pluged in thru the whole ban wave then why should we can banned once flashed 2 c4e new firmware ??
zit does not matter if you was flagged during the ban wave, they have been monitoring for several months now and just started banning last week.
You most likely have already been flagged for a ban from a few weeks ago and will get hit next time you log on to Live.
QUOTE(out4it @ Nov 10 2009, 06:35 PM)
[M$ can...]issue a patch for all of us to download (which is mandatory) and bingo!!! I bet at one time the FW was undetectable,but obviously not now.
That's not how it works. If FW is detectable now, it always was, they just didn't know how to detect it before.
The FW cannot be written by a patch or update of any kind sent by MS.
If this were the case, then we'd be able to flash our drives just by hooking it up to our pc via crossover cable and simulating an MS update.
I'm just happy there is a firmware that can read backups and for that I say thank you C4E. I'm also happy that MS doesn't render your console completely useless once you've been flagged for a firmware hack. I've never been flagged myself but man, wouldn't the shit hit the fan if they completely shut all the firmware hackers consoles down lol
"[c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!"
W00T! 
- Just sold my XBOX + All games, i think i'll go semi legit for a while...
I'll be buying a new console in the next week or so, can someone tell me which Liteon version is unflashable...
QUOTE(EvilGoodGuy @ Nov 10 2009, 12:44 PM)
That's not how it works. If FW is detectable now, it always was, they just didn't know how to detect it before.
The FW cannot be written by a patch or update of any kind sent by MS.
If this were the case, then we'd be able to flash our drives just by hooking it up to our pc via crossover cable and simulating an MS update.
I'm not saying a patch to write FW. I'm saying a check system to flag consoles.
QUOTE(xc1234 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:10 PM)
the slightest change will still change the CRC of the firmware, which is probably what microsoft checks. it is impossible to make a hacked firmware that is indistinguishable from the orig.
Has been said many many times before, but you cannot make a CRC from f/w that can't be dumped/read.
crazy shit...i wish i was into coding or however the fuck this shit is made. its interesting .
im really really happy that im still able to connect. i played mw2 online last night.
Its so annoying to see, people complaining about C4E.
How can you? That guy have been there always, if you flash a drive you know MS is gonna try and hunt you down.
He cant know anything, and its also very possible that the new firmware has a flaw that MS is gonna detect over a year, 2 years who will say?
People need to stop whining, in the beginning we didnt even know what SS etc were.
I'v been banned 2 times now, and i dont even care i always like the cat and the mouse game.
It's also great to see, how quick the responds is from C4E.
Stop attacking c4e, and piss off we never see you guys in #fw when there isnt a ban and now you guys are there all the time. Why not get a job? You can buy all the games!
This post has been edited by Zomah: Nov 10 2009, 07:20 PM
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 10 2009, 11:46 AM)
Don;t you think that if firmware was detectable that all modded consoles would have been banned immediately?
I think that C4E means the following:
1) new firmware is coming with minimal changes needed and more efficient
2) note he is saying undistinguishable in ALL aspects: meaning not detectable by MS if you send back you xbox for repair
whoa whoa stop right there. undetectable by all aspects? haha. so it can't play backups either? this is gonna be a great release that i'm sure ALL of us will wait for!
little off topic but can someone give me the address to join that irc channel? #fw at efnet? like what to type into my browser
Lol people are actually making money out of their burned games by selling them bundled with banned consoles on eBay
i can confirm the best way to find out if your flagged for a ban is registering your console then
try and set up a repair you will see an error message that says this page is unavailable = Ban
I get that error on the US site, but not on the UK site (I'm in the UK by the way). Can someone with a legit box confirm that they don't get the error on the US site?
QUOTE(jimmywalker @ Nov 10 2009, 06:32 PM)
I get that error on the US site, but not on the UK site (I'm in the UK by the way). Can someone with a legit box confirm that they don't get the error on the US site?
I'm UK also mate and get exactly the same as you do. The US site shows that error on my 8 banned consoles out of the 10 that I have registered, so I'd say it's a good method of knowing if your console has been flagged or not.
Saying "no more bans" is a pretty bold claim. I appreciate his work and I don't blame him what so ever for me getting banned, as it's a risk I took but... If you're gonna say no more bans, you'd better be damn sure! Unless the reason for getting banned has truly been discovered and understood, what makes this firmware any less risky than past firmware?
SOOOOOooooo what if we all went back to XTREME 4.2b with firmguard? I mean they're not still doing that laser angle ban are they? It was a better firmware too
I know most of you all weren't even around for that(judging by all the liteon bans lol)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 07:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
I believe that is completely illegal and I also believe it will get you banned from this site.
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 06:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
First post and I suspect maybe your last.
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 02:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
Yes, You'll go to prison and never see your parents again, didn't you see the articles n00b, the guy in Tusla, OK and others
QUOTE(SnoopDop @ Nov 10 2009, 06:29 PM)
Lol people are actually making money out of their burned games by selling them bundled with banned consoles on eBay (IMG:
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He He,
I wonder who would do that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
I'm going legit now - no back-ups for me.
So if i was to sell my banned console, i'd bundle all my back-ups with it as i don't have any use for them - i have a lot of bad rips anyway.
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Nov 10 2009, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 06:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
That is highly illegal, Let alone i would feel totally bad for the sucker who gets that console. For all they know it turns on, works and has no issues. Then months later they want to go on xbox live and wam, they loose out because you screwed them over. I really hope a little kid doesn't get that for Christmas! I hope they check the security sticker, but there is no way for me to stop you, if you do decide to do that, at least keep the cdrom drive unplugged when swapping it. That way if a little kid does get it he can return it for another one, and that one goes back to Microsoft.
QUOTE(CocoaPistolero @ Nov 10 2009, 01:34 PM)
Saying "no more bans" is a pretty bold claim. I appreciate his work and I don't blame him what so ever for me getting banned, as it's a risk I took but... If you're gonna say no more bans, you'd better be damn sure! Unless the reason for getting banned has truly been discovered and understood, what makes this firmware any less risky than past firmware?
Stating "no more bans", if it was stated is pretty bold. That fact that his work on the firmware wasn't detected before and detected now is a proven example of how this new firmware may not be detected now but may or may not be detected eventually.
No disrespect to C4E, I appreciate all his work...thanks to him I was able and still able to backup my games. For me personally, Live was just an extra feature, I rarely play on Live and if I do its only NHL.
Thanks for the input and saying it is illegal... umm isnt selling modified consoles and back ups the same... dont be hypocritical. people are modiing thier xbox and are telling me illegal. come on.... for real. just posting a thought...
please dont get all moral with me while playin"backed up" games on your "modded" consoles...
highly illeagal
This post has been edited by 210cnj: Nov 10 2009, 08:00 PM
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 06:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:45 PM)
That is highly illegal, Let alone i would feel totally bad for the sucker who gets that console. For all they know it turns on, works and has no issues. Then months later they want to go on xbox live and wam, they loose out because you screwed them over. I really hope a little kid doesn't get that for Christmas! I hope they check the security sticker, but there is no way for me to stop you, if you do decide to do that, at least keep the cdrom drive unplugged when swapping it. That way if a little kid does get it he can return it for another one, and that one goes back to Microsoft.
^ yes, please do what 'mat82284' is saying - it would be horrible for the little kid that gets a banned XBOX he can't swap.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 05:53 PM)
I'll be buying a new console in the next week or so, can someone tell me which Liteon version is unflashable...
Most new consoles after around September i think m8.
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 06:58 PM)
Thanks for the import and saying it is illegal... umm isnt selling modified consoles and back ups the same... dont be hypocritical. people are modiing thier xbox and are telling me illegal. come on.... for real. just posting a thought...
please dont get all moral with me while playin"backed up" games on your "modded" consoles...
highly illeagal
Are you serious, selling a modded xbox is illegal, but switching the guts is just plane wrong and illegal. How would you feel if you got your first xbox and found out later you cant go on live, it would p$$s you off. I wasnt talking about the modding aspect, you asked about switching the guts and I threw our resons why not to do it, but like i said at least keep the cdrom unplugged if you do switch it. So the person who buys it (since walmart resells every returned item again) can return it again.
I don't even know why people are still guessing as to whats wrong. Its painfully obvious to anyone that is knowledgeable that the drive firmware CANNOT be seen, i mean look at what we modders have to do just to read it. The firmware is like c4 said "Undetectable" that is true. Whats going on here is its responses that ARE detectable. For example it sends a simple set of commands to the drive that it knows it should either refuse or return a specific response. If it fails this challenge, that's all they need to confirm the drive has been modified, calls home, then ban hammer. They aren't reading the FW, there challenging the drive and checking its response. C4 basically confirms this by saying hes creating a "light touch" FW, hes doing this so when the drive is challenged it responds like an untouched drive.
made it to page 14 of this crap shoot thread cant go a step further...
sit back and wait, play offline for a bit till theres an update on this news, since when does xbl control your lives?
is it really that serious you cant play online for a few weeks?
good job c4eva staying one step ahead as always, much appreciated...so the cycle begins again
"ka is a wheel do ya kennet?"
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 06:39 PM)
IF I TAKE MY BANNED LITE ON.. BUY A NEW 360.. GUT SWITCH AND RETURN YOU THINK THE WALMART TAGET OR WHERE EVER WOULD KNOW THE SWITCH????
Thats so wrong, you should be shot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
QUOTE(Bucket Monster @ Nov 10 2009, 11:33 AM)
Because I planned to use it for backups, only brought an hour ago with MW2.
Modded and played MW2, and got banned 1 hour ago, so don't give me the BS statement as you appear clueless.
The facts are sat in my front room.
Well you are pretty fucking stupid to mod you box during a ban wave, when it is clear that no one is sure what is going on. I mean really you are that big of a noob?
Great job C4EVA! Thanks for everything.
<3333 c4eva!!
Swapping consoles / guts can only end in tears, surely? That console will eventually end up back with MS, they'll realise it's a banned console in the wrong case, associate the ban with your gamertag which will most likely include your address and bingo.
Take your ban like a man.
Fraud ftl.
Thanks for HARD WORKING C4EVA!!!!!!!
My first post and I just want to say thanks c4eva, the whole community is depended on you.
I haven't been on LIVE since last friday and have not been banned, NOT gonna go online, but the QUESTION I'm asking you guys that are playing OFFLINE, are you playing WAVE 4 games offline with the Ethernet cable disconnected or not playing your 360 at all?
I know nobody knows what is causing the bans but what are you guying doing with your 360's? Turning them OFF or playing WAVE 3 and Wave 4 games?
I'm playing WAVE 3 games offline unplugged but figured I would get your input.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 07:59 PM)
^ yes, please do what 'mat82284' is saying - it would be horrible for the little kid that gets a banned XBOX he can't swap.
In that type of a scenario, who would take the heat? The original returner or the people who got stuck rebuying the 360?
You can't really say for sure either way.
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 10 2009, 08:45 PM)
I haven't been on LIVE since last friday and have not been banned, NOT gonna go online, but the QUESTION I'm asking you guys that are playing OFFLINE, are you playing WAVE 4 games offline with the Ethernet cable disconnected or not playing your 360 at all?
I know nobody knows what is causing the bans but what are you guying doing with your 360's? Turning them OFF or playing WAVE 3 and Wave 4 games?
I'm playing WAVE 3 games offline unplugged but figured I would get your input.
If the firmware is faulty, it doesnt matter what you are playing. Some people are reporting bans on fresh consoles that have never had a backup inserted.
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:45 PM)
That is highly illegal, Let alone i would feel totally bad for the sucker who gets that console. For all they know it turns on, works and has no issues. Then months later they want to go on xbox live and wam, they loose out because you screwed them over. I really hope a little kid doesn't get that for Christmas! I hope they check the security sticker, but there is no way for me to stop you, if you do decide to do that, at least keep the cdrom drive unplugged when swapping it. That way if a little kid does get it he can return it for another one, and that one goes back to Microsoft.
Does Mat82284's suggestion make him an accessory?
C4Eva, do that which you do so well.
And
Thank You!!!
All in all I suggest if you havent been banned DO NOT GO ON XBL with a modded console. I just bought an elite yesterday and im going to wait until the new f/w. Which seems like your safest bet at this point.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 07:44 PM)
He He,
I wonder who would do that... (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
I'm going legit now - no back-ups for me.
So if i was to sell my banned console, i'd bundle all my back-ups with it as i don't have any use for them - i have a lot of bad rips anyway.
I don't think ebay allows ANY backups to be bundled with it by their rules. The sites that DO allow you to have backups come with it also require that you include your original copy (that the backup was made from).
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:45 PM)
That is highly illegal, Let alone i would feel totally bad for the sucker who gets that console. For all they know it turns on, works and has no issues. Then months later they want to go on xbox live and wam, they loose out because you screwed them over. I really hope a little kid doesn't get that for Christmas! I hope they check the security sticker, but there is no way for me to stop you, if you do decide to do that, at least keep the cdrom drive unplugged when swapping it. That way if a little kid does get it he can return it for another one, and that one goes back to Microsoft.
It's not highly illegal - it's just regular illegal. It's more commonly known as warranty fraud. Depending on his age and any previous record, he's not likely to goto jail for it, but he will be banned from the store, recieve a fine or penalty of some sort, and maybe have to goto the police station (without becoming an inmate). More likely, however, they'll just deny his request to exchange, and ask him not to return to the store, nicely.
I agree above..I just purchased a new Arcade 360 at Wal-Mart and got a 100 gift card to go with it. I'll sell my other banned box to my friend (who doesnt play online) for 100 so I make out pretty good. But I'm not touching the new box until the Lite Touch or whatever is confirmed working. I suggest that's what everyone does...
If it indeed is the firmware being detected than it won't make a difference what firmware we come out with, all they have to do is compare the md5 of their firmware with the one being used. If it is not however and Microsoft is detecting a behavior difference in the FW's then we should be good.
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Nov 10 2009, 09:10 PM
QUOTE
' date='Nov 10 2009, 07:12 PM' post='4563762']
Well you are pretty fucking stupid to mod you box during a ban wave, when it is clear that no one is sure what is going on. I mean really you are that big of a noob?
Everyone was a noob at one point, so stop being such a dickhead.
One Thing my "NOOB" mistake has shown me is that the firmware can be detected quickly, only disc every in the consoles was an original of MW2.
This post has been edited by Bucket Monster: Nov 10 2009, 09:17 PM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 10 2009, 07:56 PM)
In that type of a scenario, who would take the heat? The original returner or the people who got stuck rebuying the 360?
If the console was registered, Microsoft would call up the registered owner & ask how this console came to be in this situation.
To get MS off your back, all you would have to say is that you sold the console a while ago.
If it's not registered, it would be hard to track.
QUOTE(willkr07 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:57 PM)
All in all I suggest if you havent been banned DO NOT GO ON XBL with a modded console. I just bought an elite yesterday and im going to wait until the new f/w. Which seems like your safest bet at this point.
Good idea.
I'm not gonna flash my new console until i know it's pretty safe.
Oh another release eh?
All it takes is a few weeks for m$ to get your hopes up, you go out and buy a new console, and they add the new 'undetectable' fw to the list of criteria that are required for a ban.
Good luck, but I recommend not relying on this 'update' to go online. The fact that the old developer wouldnt admit that the fw detectable cost a lot of people a lot of money.
M$ will always win, there's just no way around it
QUOTE(mcmaxx @ Nov 10 2009, 03:22 PM)
M$ will always win, there's just no way around it
this might be the stupidest comment i have ever heard. I've had my console modded since the beginning and have played hundreds of "backups." Sorry MS, but im pretty sure i won. And ur comment can easily be turned in the other direction. There is a good chance that this new firmware will indeed be "indistinguishable" because with every new fw that c4 has released, its managed to be pretty safe. So i say the modding community will always win.
Its just part of the game, people who mod their boxes know the risk they take. Things aren't always right the first time and certainly not in homebrew mods like these and no M$ doesnt always have to win thats why hackers were created.
QUOTE(Fantasy Star @ Nov 10 2009, 01:04 AM)
I got a Lite-On, but was banned just today.
I suggest to everyone else that's got a Lite-On that hasn't been banned yet to stay offline. And this is coming from someone who was just banned hours ago. I really wish I could meet c4e in person and thank him personally, buy him a beer or a lager for all his hard work. I only wish I can help in some way and give back.
It sucks being so poor and newbish.
I have been out of the xbox scene for a while. My 360 is one of the early generations, has a samsung ms28 drive. Played many backups on live, but have always tested with for stealth abgx.
Have not been on xbox live for over 3 months. At that time it was not banned. I have not connected it to test either. I think I am running one of the older 1.4 ixtremes on there.
I did attempt to play a couple wave 4 games, they wouldnt load. Thankfully I still have not connected it to live.
So that led me here to upgrade and I see all the banning news.
Is this new firmware for lite on drives only?
Would I possibly be ok upgrading to Samsung_iXtreme-THX_v1.61 ?
QUOTE(mcmaxx @ Nov 10 2009, 03:22 PM)
Oh another release eh?
All it takes is a few weeks for m$ to get your hopes up, you go out and buy a new console, and they add the new 'undetectable' fw to the list of criteria that are required for a ban.
Good luck, but I recommend not relying on this 'update' to go online. The fact that the old developer wouldnt admit that the fw detectable cost a lot of people a lot of money.
M$ will always win, there's just no way around it
Yes he did say the firmware as undetectable but you can only keep it that way for so long. Think about it MS has easy access to firmware as anyone. Think about this they have been looking at the firmware and doing all kinds of testing and finally found something, either a hole in the firmware or the firmware makes the drive behave differently then a stock drive.
QUOTE(devilspy @ Nov 10 2009, 08:34 PM)
I have been out of the xbox scene for a while. My 360 is one of the early generations, has a samsung ms28 drive. Played many backups on live, but have always tested with for stealth abgx.
Have not been on xbox live for over 3 months. At that time it was not banned. I have not connected it to test either. I think I am running one of the older 1.4 ixtremes on there.
I did attempt to play a couple wave 4 games, they wouldnt load. Thankfully I still have not connected it to live.
So that led me here to upgrade and I see all the banning news.
Is this new firmware for lite on drives only?
Would I possibly be ok upgrading to Samsung_iXtreme-THX_v1.61 ?
Stay offline for a while & keep checking the online repair site to see if your console is still eligible for repair.
If it is, you're not banned & visa versa.
I think that's probably the best way to tell if you're banned - wish i had done it :|
Tuesday 17:03
(2009-11-10) Lite Touches coming for pirates
Today / coming days ?
I wish C4Eva personally would say "Yes, this firmware is detectable no matter what you do, please do not use it until I have a new version." Yes it all seems "obvious" that they can detect it from the posts, but from my personal experience, I have not been banned. I have modded many many consoles for other people and I have not had any control over how their backups were made. Most of them were banned.
Me and 2 guys that I personally make all backups for, right in front of them with their discs, all 3 of us aren't banned. I am going to buy a backup $100 from walmart tonight just in case and will most likely stay off of my samsung one, or at the very least flash it back, but it would be nice to know what HE personally thinks is the cause...I know he can't release too much but it would be nice for something from the man himself that says "Yes keep using it, but be careful with discs" or a flat "No, this is bad, stop and wait for the new one".
Don't mistake this for not being grateful...I'm as grateful as anyone else for what he's given us. Would just like further clarification rather than a cryptic statement that can be taken 20 different ways. I'm also not calling anyone a liar on here..I'm just trusting what I've experienced with the 3 xboxes that I know have been totally under my control on what goes in them.
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Nov 10 2009, 10:09 PM)
If it indeed is the firmware being detected than it won't make a difference what firmware we come out with, all they have to do is compare the md5 of their firmware with the one being used. If it is not however and Microsoft is detecting a behavior difference in the FW's then we should be good.
M$ can't calculate the CRC or MD5 because the iXtreme firmware is not readable. They are probably detecting it from differences in some command responses (delay, value).
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Nov 10 2009, 10:09 PM)
If it indeed is the firmware being detected than it won't make a difference what firmware we come out with, all they have to do is compare the md5 of their firmware with the one being used. If it is not however and Microsoft is detecting a behavior difference in the FW's then we should be good.
Stop talking bullshit, nobody said they were reading the firmware. They are checking stuff all the time, and this firmware has probably a flaw which flags the console. Please stop with this md5 hash fairytail shit!
Hrm... Now that I see this I traded my Lite-ON for a quieter BenQ wonder if I should stay with the Lite-On!
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 10 2009, 03:55 PM)
Stop talking bullshit, nobody said they were reading the firmware. They are checking stuff all the time, and this firmware has probably a flaw which flags the console. Please stop with this md5 hash fairytail shit!
Oh yeah I remember now, the developer of the firmware forgot to hide the "isConsoleLegit()" function on line 1. SIlly him....
Listen, m$ has access to the same firmware updates we all get. They just need a modded box with the latest firmware and they'll find a way to detect it.
Since the software on the reader (or wherever the firmware goes) is accessible by the console, and there's m$'s new update dashboards, its no problem for them to notice the software isnt the original
QUOTE(mcmaxx @ Nov 10 2009, 04:12 PM)
Oh yeah I remember now, the developer of the firmware forgot to hide the "isConsoleLegit()" function on line 1. SIlly him....
Listen, m$ has access to the same firmware updates we all get. They just need a modded box with the latest firmware and they'll find a way to detect it.
Since the software on the reader (or wherever the firmware goes) is accessible by the console, and there's m$'s new update dashboards, its no problem for them to notice the software isnt the original
It's physically impossible to directly transmit data on the firmware over the sata cable, unless the drive is in vendor mode, which also makes the drive unusable.
Get out of here if you don't know what your talking about, all that the firmware has ever done to cloak itself is give an appearance of legit firmware.
They can't read the firmware, computers don't communicate that way.
Anyways, I appreciate what C4eva is doing, and I hope he can pull it off
This post has been edited by directx10.1: Nov 10 2009, 10:19 PM
QUOTE(directx10.1 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:17 PM)
It's physically impossible to directly transmit data on the firmware over the sata cable, unless the drive is in vendor mode, which also makes the drive unusable.
Get out of here if you don't know what your talking about, all that the firmware has ever done to cloak itself is give an appearance of legit firmware.
They can't read the firmware, computers don't communicate that way.
Anyways, I appreciate what C4eva is doing, and I hope he can pull it off
yes the firmware gives itself away to be hacked by the responses it gives back which differ from the original, they cant do a crc check on it.
says no more bans, so does he think FW was detected?
QUOTE(directx10.1 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:17 PM)
It's physically impossible to directly transmit data on the firmware over the sata cable, unless the drive is in vendor mode, which also makes the drive unusable.
Get out of here if you don't know what your talking about, all that the firmware has ever done to cloak itself is give an appearance of legit firmware.
They can't read the firmware, computers don't communicate that way.
Anyways, I appreciate what C4eva is doing, and I hope he can pull it off
could they put it in vendor mode while downloading something such a as demo or ad-on? or how about when u leve u play n charge kit and wireless controller plugged in, but tun 360 off.... it actuall kinda stays on to charge
QUOTE(210cnj @ Nov 10 2009, 12:58 PM)
Thanks for the input and saying it is illegal... umm isnt selling modified consoles and back ups the same... dont be hypocritical. people are modiing thier xbox and are telling me illegal. come on.... for real. just posting a thought...
please dont get all moral with me while playin"backed up" games on your "modded" consoles...
highly illeagal
Its just illegal nobody is going to come arrest you because you said that there but just know. And know how the next person that gets that console gets screwed over. And know that they will find you because in sure you will sign in to live on that xbox and the serial number of that xbox will match one that has been returned and m$ has your info and therefore they can get you. My advice just grow some balls or get a job and be able to afford one. And since you obviously pirate games maybe you should make some money and support these amazing game developers and actually make backups like some of us on here
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Nov 9 2009, 10:43 PM)
C4Eva announced he's working on a new firmware on IRC:
"[c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!"
So, if I'm reading between the lines here properly, C4Eva is saying that there were some aspects of the firmware that were distinguishable, which lead to bans. Firmware was to blame. Fine. Case closed. Now we can all stop coming up with conspiracy theories, unplug our 360's from ethernet, and stop playing online until this whole mess is sorted out. Sounds easy enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Not detectable....
Humm... I think I heard this before...
No offenses... I really apreciatte all effort by the team, but we all have learned that there's no such thing as undetectable or 100% safe...
I have seen it asked before in this thread, but nobody answered so here goes:
I live in The Netherlands. On the Dutch Xbox website, I can register both my consoles for repairs (one out of warranty (Samsung MS25), one recently purchased (LiteOn 7xxxx). The strange thing is, that on the US site it returns the 54420 error on my new Elite. The Samsung is eligible for repair on both sites.
Can anyone from the US check if their repair request is returning the error on a European but is fine on the US website (vice versa of my/our situation).
I've logged in to Live last week when Mr. Banhammer started swinging, and I wasn't banned at that time. Decided to pull the ethernet plug today, but now I'm getting more and more suspicious about this smelly situation.
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 10 2009, 04:34 PM)
says no more bans, so does he think FW was detected?
could they put it in vendor mode while downloading something such a as demo or ad-on? or how about when u leve u play n charge kit and wireless controller plugged in, but tun 360 off.... it actuall kinda stays on to charge
the 'half open tray' trick is to put it in vendor mode. ever see your 360 do that?
QUOTE(Denhoorn @ Nov 10 2009, 09:46 PM)
I live in The Netherlands. On the Dutch Xbox website, I can register both my consoles for repairs (one out of warranty (Samsung MS25), one recently purchased (LiteOn 7xxxx). The strange thing is, that on the US site it returns the 54420 error on my new Elite. The Samsung is eligible for repair on both sites.
Can anyone from the US check if their repair request is returning the error on a European but is fine on the US website (vice versa of my/our situation).
Yes, EU site will report as fine, US site will report 54420. Trust the US site, it's been accurate in my case.
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 10 2009, 04:57 PM)
Yes, EU site will report as fine, US site will report 54420. Trust the US site, it's been accurate in my case.
what about the canada one? Im in canada and dont get a 54420 error, but i get one on the US site
QUOTE(DINOSPD @ Nov 10 2009, 11:43 PM)
Not detectable....
Humm... I think I heard this before...
No offenses... I really apreciatte all effort by the team, but we all have learned that there's no such thing as undetectable or 100% safe...
Well you can never be sure, but we played 2 years fine and if we can add another 2 years it would be great. Its just a cat and mouse game, and i'm pretty sure C4E will win every round because of the serious flaws in the x360 how it handles dvd-rom shizzle.
What really sux is that I was banned monday (benq spoofed as toshiba) the day before MW2 realeased. I go today and pick up my prestige edition but cant play online.
MS cannot read firmware!!! but the problem came with the wave 4 update. MS sent the update to all consoles for the wave 4. Any and all firmwares that do not support wave 4 will cause they system to give a different (signal, code, reply, or what ever you want want to call it) back to MS. Hitachi 1.51 or Ixtreme 1.61 you should be ok. As this supports wave 4. anything else will definately get you banned. It doesn't matter if you play a wave 4 game, a backup, original, early release, or a downloaded game. They are checking somehow for wave 4 compatability. Its not reading the firmware but it is causing a certain response from your system if you don't have wave 4 compatibility. MS does this every OCT/NOV for 2 reasons. To get systems that are easier to mod out of thier system and get you to buy a newer one that will be harder to mod and to increase sells for the holiday season.
(How many kids will be getting new xbox's for christmas. lol)
That's a guaranteed increase in sales to boost profits.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 09:48 PM)
the 'half open tray' trick is to put it in vendor mode. ever see your 360 do that?
I dont think the 360 can do that as once turned off the drive closes
I dont think that the firmware is detectable, it is so hard for us to read how can it be so easy for the 360 to do it ? I wish C4E had answered a few more questions before announcing the new firmware, such as is there a risk in using activate.iso ?
But yeah hopefully we'll get answers or the new firmware soon I'm considering risking a ban to play MW2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 03:41 PM)
Stay offline for a while & keep checking the online repair site to see if your console is still eligible for repair.
If it is, you're not banned & visa versa.
I think that's probably the best way to tell if you're banned - wish i had done it :|
Where are you checking. I went to service.xbox.com. Not sure if I'm banned, just says warranty expired. (it still lets me submit a request for $99 though)
Standard Warranty Expired✝
Device: Xbox 360 Pro System
Serial Number: 077xxxxxxx
Warranty Type: Standard
Warranty Expiration: 10/4/2008 5:00:00 PM
✝ Standard warranty expired: A three-year warranty applies to Xbox 360 issues that are associated with three red lights. Please click Request a Repair to proceed.
So would I be ok with the Samsung_iXtreme-THX_v1.61 firmware for the ms28?
This post has been edited by devilspy: Nov 10 2009, 11:19 PM
(Not sure if this has been discussed yet. Its getting difficult to read up on all of the threads on this.)
Is it possible that M$ is flagging something in the Xbox (i.e. in MB flash) as soon as it detects something amiss?
*IF* this is the case, it would mean that a new firmware may not keep you from being banned (since your console may already be flagged).
I don't miss Live at all, actually - didn't play on it much. I couldn't stand all of the idiots on it.
I might put some RTV (soft glue) into my network port to ensure my Xbox doesn't get banned.
QUOTE(kgn340 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:22 PM)
I don't miss Live at all, actually - didn't play on it much. I couldn't stand all of the idiots on it.
Agreed. I'm not banned, but if I were to be I certainly wouldn't invest in another system just for Live. I suppose if I were younger and played more I might be tempted to do that. For now though, I'd gladly continue to take the ability to play backups and save myself the Live renewal fee.
QUOTE(SteelgearX @ Nov 10 2009, 12:33 PM)
My suggestion is to move your GT over to a mem card when you're ready to go online and find out if your box is banned or not. This way if you are banned it won't corrupt your hard drive.
Not really cause i just got me a REFURB and but in my HDD and im up and running all my game saves are intact !!
Ok.. so because he didnt get 1 of the RANDOM bans he says its fine lol.
This coming from the same guy that didnt notice the many new media type checks in the live log.
Im done with the dvd flashing. Its obvious MS has found something and will continue on it.
Good luck to all the new bannies to join the wagon.
Just remember from Xbox 1 days, once the Modchips and soft mods were detectable it was over... sorry to say that time is coming for dvd firmware as well.
Maybe now we can get people to focus on REAL homebrew and not a reason to say they back up their own games they rented from blockbuster
You guys know that wasn't actually C4eva making that statement right? Who ever it was made some awfully inaccurate statements. They claimed they ripped 40 NTSC retail discs and ABGX wouldn't verify every 3rd rip, well doh that would be a different pressing.
Don't believe everything you read, if you saw the whole transcript of the conversation it got pretty heated in there, someone who clearly doesn't know much or simply doesn't understand said a lot of false statements. I would seriously take what that person said with a pinch of salt. 
QUOTE(The_Flash @ Nov 10 2009, 05:34 PM)
Agreed. I'm not banned, but if I were to be I certainly wouldn't invest in another system just for Live. I suppose if I were younger and played more I might be tempted to do that. For now though, I'd gladly continue to take the ability to play backups and save myself the Live renewal fee.
I'm banned, and for the most part I don't miss it one bit.
EXCEPT
I miss quick load times from hard drive installed games, since the backups run a bit slow. I miss being able to play my 200 dollars worth of downloaded rock band songs, and I miss netflix/last.fm.
I'll definitely be running out to get a new console. But not so I can -play- on xbox live. I think it's kinda lame that M$ takes away non-live related features when you abuse the xbox live terms of service. Seriously, is it really okay for them to not allow you to play purchased songs when you don't have a connection to the internet?
QUOTE(Meethatguy @ Nov 10 2009, 05:40 PM)
Ok.. so because he didnt get 1 of the RANDOM bans he says its fine lol.
This coming from the same guy that didnt notice the many new media type checks in the live log.
Im done with the dvd flashing. Its obvious MS has found something and will continue on it.
Good luck to all the new bannies to join the wagon.
I don't think these bans are too random. I think they're very accurate, and even still occuring. 90% of the people I have modded xboxes for have been banned now. All within a day of turning on their xbox from the date the bans started. If C4E is doing identical behaviors to all the others that were modded, but this time using a different firmware, and not getting banned within a few days, I think he's gotten safe again. Whatever you, I, and everyone else have learned over the past few years of modding based off of what we originally read in tutorials, I promise you that C4E knows 10x more. If he says he's found a solution, then don't doubt it. Not unless you have physically written a firmware yourself, and it's worked.
If you don't wanna flash anymore of your firmwares, so be it. The rest of us, have faith in C4E; He is about to pull it off again.
I hope someone figures out how to dump these new 93450C that are out.
Excellant job so far c4eva
I could care less about playing on live...the only thing I miss is the updates for games such as patches, fixes, udpates, etc. and installing games to the hard drive and streaming through windows media center...
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:52 PM)
I hope someone figures out how to dump these new 93450C that are out.
Excellant job so far c4eva
Ahhh, I just got a 83850c and thought that I was in bad shape. Till I found the tutorial..... seems easier then my old lite-on. Really no more bridging points to dump the key? Am I just missing something?
I'm new to the scene forums, but i've been using the iXtreme FWs for a while now. Here's my situation, and where I'm at now:
3 of my friends were banned yesterday at the same time almost for various reasons (playing games early, bad rips, etc.), and my last sign-in date was 11/8/09. So last night, without signing into my XBL profile on my box, i ran a quick test by creating another XBL profile on the same memory card my original profile is on. After i created it, i signed in and played my retail copy of Gears 2 for about an hour. Still no ban warnings or anything unusual. So I signed out and here i am now. Still not banned. I haven't turned my xbox on today, so i guess I'm one of those guys that'll be waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks. I've closed out my original account as well in case i need to make a new one for the next FW update. Just thought I'd share this cuz i found it interesting.
I have a question, i am not banned since i haven't logged onto live for 2 weeks. I get the error 54420 but if the new firmware comes out and reflash it; i log onto live, will i get banned still?
Sorry to be a bit noobish but can someone confirm that this problem applies to all fw sam/benq/lite/hitatchi etc and not just lite-on drives. I can prob guess the answer because the quote says "lite-on" will come first but best to check.
thanks.
QUOTE(LeeDude @ Nov 10 2009, 10:49 PM)
post......
If you don't wanna flash anymore of your firmwares, so be it. The rest of us, have faith in C4E; He is about to pull it off again.
Brilliantly said (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
In fact, the only person I know who ISN'T banned is the one who stopped playing backups a month or so ago (just before the bans started).
This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Nov 11 2009, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 10 2009, 06:58 AM)
So i guess anyone who still isnt banned should stay offline until this new fw is released and hope they wern't already flagged for banishment?
Amen
QUOTE(tabsaid @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 PM)
Ahhh, I just got a 83850c and thought that I was in bad shape. Till I found the tutorial..... seems easier then my old lite-on. Really no more bridging points to dump the key? Am I just missing something?
The 8xxx series DOES NOT need a prob/jumper to dump the key. Im not sure if this is true for all 8xxx drives.
QUOTE(jedimaniac @ Nov 10 2009, 06:01 PM)
Sorry to be a bit noobish but can someone confirm that this problem applies to all fw sam/benq/lite/hitatchi etc and not just lite-on drives. I can prob guess the answer because the quote says "lite-on" will come first but best to check.
thanks.
I assume its for all drives. No one can confirm since no one knows about it yet.
QUOTE(rampart12 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 PM)
I have a question, i am not banned since i haven't logged onto live for 2 weeks. I get the error 54420 but if the new firmware comes out and reflash it; i log onto live, will i get banned still?
Online or offline, youll still get banned. Just because the ban wave started 2 weeks ago, doesnt mean you werent flagged 2 months ago
QUOTE(biscoito @ Nov 10 2009, 06:50 AM)
what does ETA stand for ? Google gave me quite a few meanings for this acronym
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL
I hope that this FW comes out soon for Lite-On drives.
Me and my mate have been banned, both with Lite-On's.
QUOTE(LeeDude @ Nov 10 2009, 10:49 PM)
I'm banned, and for the most part I don't miss it one bit.
EXCEPT
I miss quick load times from hard drive installed games, since the backups run a bit slow. I miss being able to play my 200 dollars worth of downloaded rock band songs, and I miss netflix/last.fm.
Why can't you play your downloaded rock band songs? I can still use my paid xbox live content on my banned box (i.e. shadow complex).
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:09 PM)
Online or offline, youll still get banned. Just because the ban wave started 2 weeks ago, doesnt mean you werent flagged 2 months ago
What is this about them testing your drive before banning you then?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:09 PM)
The 8xxx series DOES NOT need a prob/jumper to dump the key. Im not sure if this is true for all 8xxx drives.
Thanks for the confirmation. Looking forward to this new FW.
I just got banned today too so they are still going out. The game continues.
QUOTE(Icetray27 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:00 PM)
I'm new to the scene forums, but i've been using the iXtreme FWs for a while now. Here's my situation, and where I'm at now:
3 of my friends were banned yesterday at the same time almost for various reasons (playing games early, bad rips, etc.), and my last sign-in date was 11/8/09. So last night, without signing into my XBL profile on my box, i ran a quick test by creating another XBL profile on the same memory card my original profile is on. After i created it, i signed in and played my retail copy of Gears 2 for about an hour. Still no ban warnings or anything unusual. So I signed out and here i am now. Still not banned. I haven't turned my xbox on today, so i guess I'm one of those guys that'll be waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks. I've closed out my original account as well in case i need to make a new one for the next FW update. Just thought I'd share this cuz i found it interesting.
So you're saying a new Gamertag but the same sign in, right?
I am not banned and i have a liteon and a samsung spoofing
and i switch them around
liteon 1.5 1.6 non hdmi
samsung since 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.61 both being used on the same xbox no ban
my cuzin got baned and she has a benq
had 1.5 and later updated to 1.6 this xbox i hdmi
my other cuzin didnt get ban and he as a liteon 1.6 but he only plays at night and only a few games like spoorts games non hdmi
and my other other cuzin same thing benq 1.5 updated to 1.6 and still not ban but he non hdmi
and i still playing it every night could care less ifi get ban
if they ban me they just doing me the favor not to buy stuff with point so more money for me and i can play off line just for storys . it really get borng playing the same thing over and over and over i want to try the other 10000000 games out there and have fun. and not lock my self to 1 game playng the same map shooting the people over and over and over it so stupid .
I played gears of war i loved the story line but i could care less for online play unless u doing story together then it fun .
odst it fun playing story together that about it
could care less about firefight or the halo 3 remake map crap
QUOTE(snart @ Nov 10 2009, 11:12 PM)
Why can't you play your downloaded rock band songs? I can still use my paid xbox live content on my banned box (i.e. shadow complex).
It's all about DRM.
Any downloads are tied to both the gamerprofile used to start the download & to the console.
So the gamerprofile is able to use the DLC wherever it is aslong as it is connected to Live.
& the console also gets a licence, so anyone using that console can use the DLC purchased on it.
Hope that makes sense.
- Using the licence transfer tool can overcome the DRM issue, but it can only be used once per year.
Ok I see a whole lot of misinformation in this thread. Its almost unbearable.
First of all MS CANNOT read the firmware and do a CRC or MD5 or any check like that on it. What they have most likely done is found a situation in which a modded drive responds differently than a stock drive. For a very crude example lets say you have a set of identical twins. They look the same, they act the same, etc... but there are small subtle differences. Lets say twin 1 likes Blue and twin B likes Red. So if Twin 1 is pretending to be Twin B you cant tell... they look and act exactly the same but when you ask him what his favourite colour is he says "Blue" so now you know that your not talking to twin B but twin 1 posing as twin B. So how do you fix that? Tell Twin 1 that if hes pretending to be Twin B to say that his favourite colour is Red instead of Blue now. Its a very crude example and obviously its far more complicated but I think thats a good way to describe for those who arent very technical.
Second, unlike other ban waves where MS seemed to have flagged consoles and then banned them all around the same time, this one seems to be actively working its way through the system. For example there have been several users who have bought an Xbox and been banned the same day. This suggests there isnt a "flagging" process for this ban wave, it is simply luck of the draw if MS has checked your console so if you have your console offline and the ban wasnt pending when you took it offline you might be safe, unless it was something in the new update that does the check and can be run offline to flag your console for the next time you log on.
Its always a race between MS and the modding community. MS finally caught up but it took them how many years? Hopefully now when c4eva finds the solution to this issue we get another couple years out of it.
In closing I just want to applaud c4eva for his hard work and dedication. He is doing amazing work. If you got banned you have no right to feel bitter towards anyone but yourself for deciding to mod in the first place.
EDIT: Just saw a few more issues to tackle above. Your gamertag does not matter at all. The console is banned not your gamertag. For example you can take the HD off of your modded system and throw it in a legit system and be back up and running without any issue at all. However if you play any games under your gamertag on your banned console then move the HD to another system your profile will be Corrupted and you will need to delete it and recover your gamertag.
For those posting that they havent been banned and think they arent vulnerable, you are. Just because you havent been banned "yet" doesnt mean it wont happen. My ban was 4 days later than a friend of mine. Others are still getting banned to this day. Its not a matter of IF you get banned at this point its only WHEN. Once the new firmware is out we can rest a little easier and the race continues between MS and the modding community
This post has been edited by WBones: Nov 11 2009, 12:33 AM
QUOTE(rampart12 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:14 PM)
What is this about them testing your drive before banning you then?
What? you mean people who hear their drive make a sound before they get banned? coincidence. If you hear someone say soemthing aobut a noise, you'll be trying to hear that noise.
All i got 2 say is thank u 4 all your hard work, i can say 4 myself that i appreciate all the effort that you put in! i cant wait 4 the release, and play online! M$ you will not win, C4eva and this community Lives on! YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH BBBBBBBBAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYY!
Yep got banned as well. Hope this new FW fixes this shitbanwave
Luckily I have the luxury to trade with a friend who does not play live...
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Nov 10 2009, 03:36 AM)
as always C4eva we are grateful for anything we receive . banned or not , without your free firmware over the years none of us would of been able to enjoy the modding community worldwide !
thank you (IMG:
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Couldn't have said it better myself. DO NOT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU!
C4Eva is the man mad respect and love.
All you fools getting banned and complaining... you modded your xbox that is a risk you take plain and simple.
Can't blame Microsoft for flexing
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 11 2009, 12:59 AM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
I am so calling BS on this one.
Me too. Some people got banned without having the latest update installed.
This post has been edited by ccfman2004: Nov 11 2009, 01:32 AM
I do understand why MS is doing the BAN thing, to show game companies that MS is trying to contain the problem , BUT, I feel BAD for MS because the backlash from this is just gonna FUEL more 360 hacking and hopefully portable LIVE servers that completely bypasses LIVE.
People will get tired of being banned going on LIVE and will HAVE to FIGURE OUT how to bypass it, then we don't need to check into LIVE and do their updates.
So , just like DVD got hacked, and the Linux people are hacking the 360, when the planet of hackers finally decide to figure out how to make portable LIVE servers so we can play our LIVE games on it without reporting to MS, some genius will figure it out.
UP till now , nobody has tried to do it because they could go on LIVE and play, but , MS banning thousands and thousands of 360's could make the SCENE focus on alternative way to PLAY LIVE GAMES without MS servers getting in the way.
Hopefully they will figure out how to make un-detectable DVD FW but we all know MS will counter it and BAN thousands of others, and system link has 10ms limit so we can't play online on system-link, so portable LIVE servers has to be the way if we want to NEVER GET BANNED.
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 10 2009, 11:59 PM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
LOL, 'xbox live checks manager'
What a steaming pile of horse sh1t.
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 10 2009, 06:59 PM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
I think its fake, but if not. cool.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:40 AM)
I think its fake, but if not. cool.
Sounds fake
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:48 PM)
the 'half open tray' trick is to put it in vendor mode. ever see your 360 do that?
thats how we do it. u seriously think MS had to do half oprn tray to get vendor mode? FW is detectble. ppl banned who never played a backup. now c4 says no more bans? so guess hes saying bans ere could have been form FW.
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 11 2009, 09:59 AM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
Shenanigans! I declare Shenanigans on this crap.
Man i'm laughing my ass of here, xbox live checks manager rofl, pretty funny indeed.
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:32 PM)
Me too. Some people got banned without having the latest update installed.
If they didn't have the latest update then how were they on live? 
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 11 2009, 02:43 AM)
thats how we do it. u seriously think MS had to do half oprn tray to get vendor mode? FW is detectble. ppl banned who never played a backup. now c4 says no more bans? so guess hes saying bans ere could have been form FW.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP THINKING THAT IF IT MEANS THEY CAN DETECT OUR FIRMWARE ITS MEAN THEY HAVE READ IT! ITS JUST THE FIRMWARE THAT IS GIVING BAD INFO ON SOME CHECKS, CAUSE THE FIRMWARE IS CORRECTING ITSELF SOMETIMES THIS IS WERE ITS GOING WRONG! THEY ARE NOT DUMPING THE FIRMWARE AND PUTTING THE DRIVE IN VENDOR MODE SO STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT THANK YOU
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 11 2009, 01:59 AM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
This guy took lessons from a Nigerian fraudster.
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 10 2009, 07:43 PM)
thats how we do it. u seriously think MS had to do half oprn tray to get vendor mode? FW is detectble. ppl banned who never played a backup. now c4 says no more bans? so guess hes saying bans ere could have been form FW.
To put anything in vendor mode it usually results in doing a trick like that. Microsoft didnt have to because they never had to change the firmware. Put the firmwre on the chip, put hte chip on the drive. sell it.
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 11 2009, 01:47 AM)
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP THINKING THAT IF IT MEANS THEY CAN DETECT OUR FIRMWARE ITS MEAN THEY HAVE READ IT! ITS JUST THE FIRMWARE THAT IS GIVING BAD INFO ON SOME CHECKS, CAUSE THE FIRMWARE IS CORRECTING ITSELF SOMETIMES THIS IS WERE ITS GOING WRONG! THEY ARE NOT DUMPING THE FIRMWARE AND PUTTING THE DRIVE IN VENDOR MODE SO STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT THANK YOU
how bout u not post in all caps and size 4 liek a 5 year old. Ive already said MS CAN detect FW, then someoen said they have to do vendor mode to do that... i didnt say that.
im on ixtreme and btw ix 1.61 dissable stealth checks so yea bad rips = banns.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:35 PM)
Yea, you dont have to have it in vendor mode to see the firmware. Not even sure how vendor mode came up..
How does the xbox see what firmware is installed on its dvd drive without it being in vendor mode then?
this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
only realist sounding thing in the guys entire post
i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. if you worked for ms or any company you would instinctively put we and not they when referring to company and why would you need modded 360 they would give you games to test and or a discount
yes i know the guy with one post did not put this up originaly and that it is from team-x.com and that was taken from another site ect
i say bullshit myself and if there where checks put in place they had to of been done at least 42 days ago
and if that is the case then no one could of seen any bans coming but ms ..
Yeah, that post is bullshit, if i understand it right, its saying they can directly detect firmware. And sata doesnt work like that. And hell, even if it DID work like that, c4eva, the man that has been hacking xboxs for so long now, outsmarting M$, and giving it to us for free, said that he found a way around it. So lets take the word of probably one of the best hackers in the world and not worry about BS posts and just unplug the internet cable and wait to update our drives.
Think about it, if M$ could just dump our firmware magically, then there would NEVER EVER be able to add another hacked firmware, yet c4eva has publically said both "FW not detectable" (i assume this means directly because obviously they do some kind of checks) and also that he is making a new firmware, which if they could just dump the drive, they would dump that, and keep banning.....
Honestly, i don't understand why people are making assumptions on how we get banned, and how it happened, etc. etc. C4Eva is making a firmware to fix it, and he isn't going to tell us how he fixed it so M$ doesn't unfix it lol. So unless someone is as smart in xbox hacking as c4eva, all thats happening is spreading rumors.
QUOTE(directx10.1 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:40 PM)
How does the xbox see what firmware is installed on its dvd drive without it being in vendor mode then?
Doesnt JF see the info without being in vendor mode?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:00 AM)
Doesnt JF see the info without being in vendor mode?
All it sees is the Model of the drive and the Firmware revision. It can't actually grab anything until you do the tray trick for lite-on 83xxx
I have a friend with a Lite On drive that hasn't been on a for a while. If we assume that he has not been banned at this point in time and he only plays an original are we thinking that he gets busted or that he is good?
I do have a Toshiba drive that we can restore with factory firmware and add his key to it as an option as well but we won't be able to do that for a couple days. I told him I have no idea what will happen if he puts in an original and was hoping someone here would know.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 02:00 AM)
Doesnt JF see the info without being in vendor mode?
JF can't even see the drive unless it's in vendor mode.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 09:11 PM)
JF can't even see the drive unless it's in vendor mode.
fair enough
bloody hell new firmware is nice but whats the point when you cant install it on new consoles.i thinki c4eva needs to be working on how to mod the newer consoles and not new firmware.
C4 you rock brother....Disconnected my liteon from LIVE till LT is here....Better to be safe than sorry..
WEll I personally think iXtreme LT will be out in December...Hopefully way before CHristmas... 
QUOTE(rwcottrell @ Nov 11 2009, 12:20 PM)
bloody hell new firmware is nice but whats the point when you cant install it on new consoles.i thinki c4eva needs to be working on how to mod the newer consoles and not new firmware.
So then we can all get banned. New 8*** drives and all. Thats just stupid. Let him do his thing.
QUOTE
btw, ive been playing Gears online since about 7:30. Not banned, and i do have the 54420 error
Why the hell would you even risk that? You know that you could at least possibly be flagged and waiting to be tested and banned. My guess is that your banned tommorow.
Have fun with gears for the night though.
QUOTE(Misterturtle @ Nov 10 2009, 09:53 PM)
Why the hell would you even risk that? You know that you could at least possibly be flagged and waiting to be tested and banned. My guess is that your banned tommorow.
Have fun with gears for the night though.
Ive been playing throught this whole banwave. I figure if ive been flagged, ive been flagged for a while so what the point of not playing and still getting banned? Might as well get my plays in before i go buy a new console.
And yea every day i expect to get banned lol
If your flagged and unplug your internet cord, then flash your xbox back to stock or wait till LT comes out and reflash with that, then log back in, they will do whatever check they do, and it will confirm that you have a legit drive and you won't get banned....
QUOTE(Misterturtle @ Nov 10 2009, 09:58 PM)
If your flagged and unplug your internet cord, then flash your xbox back to stock or wait till LT comes out and reflash with that, then log back in, they will do whatever check they do, and it will confirm that you have a legit drive and you won't get banned....
Its a liteon so i cant get stock fw. And if i stop playing right now and wait for LT i wont be banned? Cant i get banned while offline? so next time i sign in i see that im banned?
I already got 54420
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:08 AM)
Its a liteon so i cant get stock fw. And if i stop playing right now and wait for LT i wont be banned? Cant i get banned while offline? so next time i sign in i see that im banned?
You are correct, staying offline doesn't do anything.
If you're logged, then you're pretty much banned - just have to wait until MS hand it to you.
If you have been offline for a while (excluding Liteon), then it would be good to flash back the stock fw.
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 10 2009, 10:16 PM)
You are correct, staying offline doesn't do anything.
If you're logged, then you're pretty much banned - just have to wait until MS hand it to you.
If you have been offline for a while (excluding Liteon), then it would be good to flash back the stock fw.
Yea so theres no point in me not playing...
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 11 2009, 04:16 AM)
You are correct, staying offline doesn't do anything.
If you're logged, then you're pretty much banned - just have to wait until MS hand it to you.
If you have been offline for a while (excluding Liteon), then it would be good to flash back the stock fw.
Is it not possible to return a lite-on fw back to stock?
QUOTE(DarkEvilKen @ Nov 10 2009, 10:25 PM)
Is it not possible to return a lite-on fw back to stock?
no
Searching thru the net I found this today
http://360mods.net/i...a...pic&t=21671
Was also wondering if it would be a good idea to start off with a new gamertag when our goodfella Com4eva comes thru with the new fw... since I've been banned 3 times. Does your GT get flagged in any way ?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
QUOTE(Wonderwalker420 @ Nov 10 2009, 09:48 PM)
Searching thru the net I found this today
http://360mods.net/i...a...pic&t=21671Was also wondering if it would be a good idea to start off with a new gamertag when our goodfella Com4eva comes thru with the new fw... since I've been banned 3 times. Does your GT get flagged in any way ?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Exact same post as from Team Xecuter site... clearly its bs
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 10 2009, 08:52 PM)
Exact same post as from Team Xecuter site... clearly its bs
That is clearly one of the biggest crock of crap posts I have seen on this site in 5 years.
Let's face it, console hacking should be difficult and with a large element of risk. If it was easy and there was no risk, more people would be doing it and it would definitely effect the industry. If 1 million consoles are banned from Live (like has been suggested) and there are 20 million users, then this equates to 5% of the user base using a hacked firmware. Of those, I could safely say most of those are using copies for which they do not have the original of. There would be some who buy the original and make and play the backup, but it would be in the minority. There would also be some who buy many originals and copy/download many other games for which they do not have originals of. These people may have been drawn to Xbox 360 because they don't have to buy every game but still do buy the ones they think are deserving of their hard earned $$$. I have no doubt MS realizes some of its hardware sales are driven by the fact the firmware can be hacked. If those people buy some originals then it is not all bad for MS. MS would be content to keep the piracy level to about 5%.
Also, MS would take certain factors into account, like how many people who copy the games would have bought the game had they not been able to copy it. It's fair to say a large number of games are copied that would not have been bought. Still, we aren't entitled to have something just because we weren't going to buy it, even if it is in digital format. MS should also be heartened that its system, which can be used to play backups, also has the highest attach rate in the industry - more games are being sold for each console than the PS3 which can't be used to play backups. Even though the Wii can be hacked, the users are largely not tech savvy enough to get into that.
Not banned here and hopefully not flagged either. Iv decided to keep my box offline until this new firmware comes out. Btw to make sure your box does not connect to XBL go into the family settings and block xbox live connection from there. Also block ports 3074 (UDP and TCP) and port 88 (UDP) on your router if you have one as these are the ports that xbox live uses. I use this method because i have my box still plugged into my network because i stream movies from my pc to my 360.
Anyways cheers to C4 and all his hard work, I look forward to flashing my Lite-On with your latest masterpiece, hopefully within the next few weeks. 
I'm sure we all got effed by Jitter AGAIN just like 1.3 Didn't they just add Jitter on 1.51 or something newer? I know that a lot of ppl on older FW are still not banned...
No, I am not living in a bubble, I am aware of the bans, but....
is 1.61 for liteon cancelled?
I am very appreciative of the work being done here, just looking for a way to play wave 4 on a liteon drive without butchering/patching the images.
Am I wrong in thinking the scene should not cater to the online kiddies?
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 11 2009, 08:01 AM)
I am very appreciative of the work being done here, just looking for a way to play wave 4 on a liteon drive without butchering/patching the images.
It's called activate.iso...Use that instead of butchering your images.
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 11 2009, 12:01 AM)
No, I am not living in a bubble, I am aware of the bans, but....
is 1.61 for liteon cancelled?
I am very appreciative of the work being done here, just looking for a way to play wave 4 on a liteon drive without butchering/patching the images.
Am I wrong in thinking the scene should not cater to the online kiddies?
Not sure what you originally said but 1.61 for Lite-On has likely been abandoned and the new firmware we are looking for is the Lite Touch firmware mentioned by c4eva
QUOTE(mongoose8p @ Nov 10 2009, 04:59 PM)
Seems like they have figured it out indeed, our worst suspicions were true.. STRAIGHT from team-xecuter.com
"I will post in here and hope my identity is not compromised as I will get into severe trouble.
This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"
I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.
The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.
This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.
These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.
This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.
We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.
We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times
Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.
I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game
This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.
Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned
If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it.
You guys can call all the bullshit you want on this post but think back to when some news article like came out, you called it BS and it turned out to be real. There are some parts to this that seem real.
Conspiracy Theory:
How do you guys know that the "self-destruct" code is actually code that makes the box self-destruct? For all we know Microsoft could have put a little bit of hidden code on every xbox made and possibly required some sort of password or code to be activated and that was activated on the NXE or WPA2 update or the last.fm thing.
Maybe I'm totally wrong but you can't always just go accusing posts as bullshit. I guess I'm sort of lucky since my xbox got 3RROD like October 26 or something and I just sent it off today. I'm not expecting it to be repaired but what do I have to lose, they pay shipping both ways. I ordered a new xbox off eBay anywase so no harm done to me.
Is it just be or can I not find a place to donate to C4EVA? Can you or not? Your a god and will always be.
There are too many holes in that story.
He claims that MS has been detecting these modded xboxes for years and that they took multiple readings on each console to ensure it wasnt just a corrupt read, yet there are people who have bought brand new consoles, modded them and been banned all in the same day.
I'm not saying that some of it isnt true but you should really take it with a grain of salt.
Another tell-tale sign is that the post originally popped up on the Team Xecuter site and now there is an identical post with someone posing as this same person on 360mods.net. If you were worried about your identity you wouldnt have posted in the first place but to post in more than one place? You would be the dumbest person on the planet.
You may ask why someone would bother doing this which prompts me to ask you how many emails you have received claiming that for each person you send it to you will get XXX amount of money because MS and Google are tracking the email or how many you get that ask a stupid question and then say "The answer will pop up on your screen if you forward this to 10 people". People are assholes plain and simple. That story reeks of bs but feel free to believe it if you want.
new topic @#fw on irc
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is real, no ETA
QUOTE(Wonderwalker420 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:48 PM)
Was also wondering if it would be a good idea to start off with a new gamertag when our goodfella Com4eva comes thru with the new fw... since I've been banned 3 times. Does your GT get flagged in any way ?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I've never heard of that happening with the 360, but they did it with the Xbox 1. Can't quite remember how it worked. It didn't result in a gamertag ban, but meant they ran a few extra checks on any Xbox you signed into. My gamertag was flagged in 2005, and is still unbanned now, three console bans later. Here's hoping this isn't number four.
QUOTE(peroxide14 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:50 AM)
You guys can call all the bullshit you want on this post but think back to when some news article like came out, you called it BS and it turned out to be real. There are some parts to this that seem real.
Conspiracy Theory:
How do you guys know that the "self-destruct" code is actually code that makes the box self-destruct? For all we know Microsoft could have put a little bit of hidden code on every xbox made and possibly required some sort of password or code to be activated and that was activated on the NXE or WPA2 update or the last.fm thing.
Maybe I'm totally wrong but you can't always just go accusing posts as bullshit. I guess I'm sort of lucky since my xbox got 3RROD like October 26 or something and I just sent it off today. I'm not expecting it to be repaired but what do I have to lose, they pay shipping both ways. I ordered a new xbox off eBay anywase so no harm done to me.
Is it just be or can I not find a place to donate to C4EVA? Can you or not? Your a god and will always be.
Dude anyone can say that..Did he prove he is real by updating his twitter like the one who got scared shitless about the calls and showed up on efnet?
I can say I am this and that and some people will be too dumb to beleive that..
And most importantly he states his job and he gave us valuable info if its real....Then he will be stripped of his job in no time..Why would anyone risk his job to help some random guys out?
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 11 2009, 07:01 AM)
No, I am not living in a bubble, I am aware of the bans, but....
is 1.61 for liteon cancelled?
I am very appreciative of the work being done here, just looking for a way to play wave 4 on a liteon drive without butchering/patching the images.
Am I wrong in thinking the scene should not cater to the online kiddies?
is there a non stealth firmware out for the liteons that you could flash like there is for the benqs? if your console is banned you really dont need the stealth checking anymore.
could it be the new "dump via sata" they're detecting? It's WAY too easy, no need for any special mode, power/sata, click dummy from ixtreme and bam, instant dump from liteon ix1.5+ and it seems those are the ones going down the fastest, usually benqs/samsungs etc last a while, all the instant ban after modding are liteons, maybe thats why liteon firmware is coming first?
This post has been edited by xboxer360: Nov 11 2009, 08:49 AM
QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 11 2009, 05:44 PM)
could it be the new "dump via sata" they're detecting? It's WAY too easy, no need for any special mode, power/sata, click dummy from ixtreme and bam, instant dump from liteon ix1.5+ and it seems those are the ones going down the fastest, usually benqs/samsungs etc last a while, all the instant ban after modding are liteons, maybe thats why liteon firmware is coming first?
mine was a samsung that hadnt touched backup gaming, only king kong shader hack
i hope he releases the new firmware soon, i never realized how much i love xbox live =\
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:13 AM)
mine was a samsung that hadnt touched backup gaming, only king kong shader hack
yes i realise other drives are going down too, but not as quick as liteons.
QUOTE(Th3_Burn3r @ Nov 11 2009, 07:39 AM)
new topic @#fw on irc
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is real, no ETA
UPDATE
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is real, no ETA, for EVERY drive
yea im hoping for the firmware soon too.
i miss live :/
hi all
i have read that the fw is detectable.....but i think that isn't.....why?
because i'm not been banned (yet).
i have 1 benQ dvd dvrive with fw ix 1.51 i'm on line from more than 1 years, evry day 2 or 3 hours .in all this time i have played 2 original game and 1 have try 2 backup(only for same minutes).
i'm on line my fw is flash and game ar orig. m$ cannot detect fw because my console is flash from more 1 years.
can be utile?
ps sorry for my bad english
sa
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 11 2009, 06:37 AM)
There are too many holes in that story.
He claims that MS has been detecting these modded xboxes for years and that they took multiple readings on each console to ensure it wasnt just a corrupt read, yet there are people who have bought brand new consoles, modded them and been banned all in the same day.
I'm not saying that some of it isnt true but you should really take it with a grain of salt.
Another tell-tale sign is that the post originally popped up on the Team Xecuter site and now there is an identical post with someone posing as this same person on 360mods.net. If you were worried about your identity you wouldnt have posted in the first place but to post in more than one place? You would be the dumbest person on the planet.
You may ask why someone would bother doing this which prompts me to ask you how many emails you have received claiming that for each person you send it to you will get XXX amount of money because MS and Google are tracking the email or how many you get that ask a stupid question and then say "The answer will pop up on your screen if you forward this to 10 people". People are assholes plain and simple. That story reeks of bs but feel free to believe it if you want.
and the guys given his position at MS, clever move
QUOTE(Sick0 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:54 PM)
Probably not then, check your backups.. There must be a corrupt one somewhere in between.
My Hitachi Xbox has been offline for the last year, no backups played on it at all.
I have been playing NFS Shift since Saturday on that box (since my other xbox got banned) and there is no problem with the Xbox whatsoever. It happily logs onto Live and I can play games with my buddies.
EDIT: One of my friends is also running 1.51 on a Lite-On and has not been banned. So it has to do with faulty backups and most likely iXtreme 1.6
Ahh well you say this, yet someone has posted earlier that they bought a new box, flashed it with 1.6 and went straight online playing and original MW2 disc and they got banned immediately. So they didn't detect any bad backups there
QUOTE(crocchio @ Nov 11 2009, 01:03 AM)
hi all
i have read that the fw is detectable.....but i think that isn't.....why?
because i'm not been banned (yet).
i have 1 benQ dvd dvrive with fw ix 1.51 i'm on line from more than 1 years, evry day 2 or 3 hours .in all this time i have played 2 original game and 1 have try 2 backup(only for same minutes).
i'm on line my fw is flash and game ar orig. m$ cannot detect fw because my console is flash from more 1 years.
can be utile?
ps sorry for my bad english
sa
QUOTE(markyk1974 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:10 AM)
Ahh well you say this, yet someone has posted earlier that they bought a new box, flashed it with 1.6 and went straight online playing and original MW2 disc and they got banned immediately. So they didn't detect any bad backups there
This is why I think it has something to do with changing the firmware while having the latest updates. Has anyone tried taking an unmodded xbox and removing all the updates then flashing it and updating again after? My console that was flashed sometime in may or earlier with 1.51(hitachi) is still unbanned yet a friends console that was modded recently with 1.6(liteon) was banned. Either 1.51 is harder to detect than 1.6 and 1.61 or it has something to do with recently flashing vs flashing the firmware a long time ago. It would have to be that they are somehow seeing something about what firmware your system currently has and then noticing a change in the size etc the next time you boot up. I bet most of the people still on live have had their consoles modded for a long time now.
I from c4eva has said it is obvious that they can detect the firmware(I said detect and not read the firmware)
If this is so everyone that has gone on live with a modded console will evetually be banned.
This is regardless of withere you wait for the new firmware or not.
I have not been banned and have not been on live for over a week. Even when this new firmware comes out i still expect to be banned as everyone would of been flagged and it is just the time to manually go through all the flagged accounts and ban them
It is sad but I cant see it any other way
I guess only time will tell then. Atleast for now I'm just not going to worry about it and keep enjoying mw2 untill I get banned or don't get banned lol. Hopefully the new firmware will be out soon though.
Brand new Elite made July 7, 2009 - Jasper
liteon 83850C drive made June 2009 - HW ver. A0A2
Using JF, loaded 1.6, no problems encountered
Used a RROD 360 to power the new Liteon drive
when flashing.
Stuffed in Lego batman that came with this Elite
thinking this disc had the latest dashboard - nope
was not wave 4. The dashboard was 2.0.7363.0,
which is spring NXE update.
Gave this Elite back to my friend, and told him
to stay off LIVE. On the way out the door, I repeated
stay off LIVE - no ethernet cord!
So what does he do? Plugs the eithernet into it, creates
a gamer tag, now the gamer tag logs into live and prompts
him for a bunch of updates. After that stuff in Pure game that
comes with the Elite. He got banned before playing Pure.
This Elite never seen a backup. I know so, I never put on in,
he doesn't have any backups - only the two games that came with
the system.
Weird, interesting.
QUOTE(markyk1974 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:10 AM)
Ahh well you say this, yet someone has posted earlier that they bought a new box, flashed it with 1.6 and went straight online playing and original MW2 disc and they got banned immediately. So they didn't detect any bad backups there
That was me, within one hour of being online, must have detected my firmware.
QUOTE(Bucket Monster @ Nov 11 2009, 10:56 AM)
That was me, within one hour of being online, must have detected my firmware.
Ok did you create a new gamer tag or did you use your old one if so your old tag might have have been already flagged some months ago
QUOTE(shai12 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:10 PM)
Ok did you create a new gamer tag or did you use your old one if so your old tag might have have been already flagged some months ago
read the post above his, fresh GT fresh console, its not an easily isolated trigger
QUOTE(astrosaber3 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:29 AM)
Brand new Elite made July 7, 2009 - Jasper
liteon 83850C drive made June 2009 - HW ver. A0A2
Using JF, loaded 1.6, no problems encountered
Used a RROD 360 to power the new Liteon drive
when flashing.
Stuffed in Lego batman that came with this Elite
thinking this disc had the latest dashboard - nope
was not wave 4. The dashboard was 2.0.7363.0,
which is spring NXE update.
Gave this Elite back to my friend, and told him
to stay off LIVE. On the way out the door, I repeated
stay off LIVE - no ethernet cord!
So what does he do? Plugs the eithernet into it, creates
a gamer tag, now the gamer tag logs into live and prompts
him for a bunch of updates. After that stuff in Pure game that
comes with the Elite. He got banned before playing Pure.
This Elite never seen a backup. I know so, I never put on in,
he doesn't have any backups - only the two games that came with
the system.
Weird, interesting.
Update
This is the guys first 360, so as far as I know he never had
a gamertag.
I feel bad, but I did warn him twice. I guess next time I will
set the parental settings to avoid LIVE and set the gateway to
192.168.1.2 incase a router is connected
this new ixtreme LT (Lite Touch). I'm pressuming you need the key you first read from the lite-on drive to reflash it? Hope this isnt the case as ive lost my bros lite-on key.
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 11 2009, 12:05 PM)
this new ixtreme LT (Lite Touch). I'm pressuming you need the key you first read from the lite-on drive to reflash it? Hope this isnt the case as ive lost my bros lite-on key.
You don't need the original file, you can use the 'dummy from ixtreme' option in JF to get the key from a previously flashed lite-on.
This post has been edited by DrexeL_UK: Nov 11 2009, 01:12 PM
No you wont need the key. You will "dummy from ixtreme" or something along those lines.
What if "dummy from ixtreme" could be one from holes in ixtreme?
For example liteon 74xxxx doesn't produce key over sata and it needs rs232 to ttl converter.
BUT with ixtreme is drive producing this key over sata...
Microsoft could try to send this ATA code to drive and if it produced your key, it resulted to highlight your console and after to ban...
cheers for the replies. Thank god you dont need the orginal key. STaying offline then till this new Firmware is here.
There seems to be a lot of people saying they have never put a backup in there newly modded 360 and have still been banned, this and C4E's new fw announcement of `firmware undetectable/no more bans!' kinda says it all that they are detecting the fw. I love this cat and mouse game and cant wait to hear more details on the new FW. Thanks again to C4E for all his and his teams hard work.
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 11 2009, 02:12 PM)
Dude the key is on your drive, so you will see it when you are gonna read it.
And people that are talking that they aint banned, your just lucky at the moment they can check everyone so that doesnt say anything at the moment. They never ban everyone in 1 time.
Yeh I know the key is on my drive....but isnt that a ixtreme mixed up version. Not the same as the original which would be needed for the new ixtreme LT. Thats what i meant
QUOTE(micflair @ Nov 11 2009, 02:37 PM)
There seems to be a lot of people saying they have never put a backup in there newly modded 360 and have still been banned, this and C4E's new fw announcement of `firmware undetectable/no more bans!' kinda says it all that they are detecting the fw. I love this cat and mouse game and cant wait to hear more details on the new FW. Thanks again to C4E for all his and his teams hard work.
Its got to be the firmware. I'm guessing, not confirming that they been able to read it for ages. No update was needed from xbox. Plus the whole "just before christmas thing". And adding C4eva quoted no more bans ever.
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 11 2009, 02:02 PM)
Yeh I know the key is on my drive....but isnt that a ixtreme mixed up version. Not the same as the original which would be needed for the new ixtreme LT. Thats what i meant
Its got to be the firmware. I'm guessing, not confirming that they been able to read it for ages. No update was needed from xbox. Plus the whole "just before christmas thing". And adding C4eva quoted no more bans ever.
The key is not 'mixed up by ixtreme', if it were 'mixed up' in any way by anything or anyone, the drive would simply not work. To make things even more explicit: if the drive is a working xbox right now you can get the key back out of it.
QUOTE(d-range @ Nov 11 2009, 03:05 PM)
The key is not 'mixed up by ixtreme', if it were 'mixed up' in any way by anything or anyone, the drive would simply not work. To make things even more explicit: if the drive is a working xbox right now you can get the key back out of it.
Oh thats good news then. I just thought that when you read the key and spoofed it, i thought that spoofing meant you mixed it with ixtreme 1.6 key and your own to genrate a key file that your xbox would allow to work and bypass copy protection checks.
Folks, all of this sounds to me like a small 'breach' or 'bug' on ixtreme since it's 1.5 version to enable ppl to play wave3 and 4 games, not necessarily whole firmware check by MS.
Any recently ban from people with older versions (1.4 or below) of the ixtreme firmware out there?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:55 AM)
Ive been playing throught this whole banwave. I figure if ive been flagged, ive been flagged for a while so what the point of not playing and still getting banned? Might as well get my plays in before i go buy a new console.
And yea every day i expect to get banned lol
what about spoofing ur key to a sammy or benq with stock fw?
QUOTE($lacker @ Nov 11 2009, 02:29 PM)
I think that could be it... that sort of readable alteration would likely be the easiest way to detect
The drive still needs to be in vendor mode and the Xbox can't force the drive into vendor mode.
Yes, this is true... I forget that...
I cant understand how nobody has even cracked the xbox 360 operating system just like windows vista and xp were. Same with ps3 to run custom custom firmware like the psp..... It makes me think, maybe somebody did crack the operating systems (xbox and ps3) Then sold there methods as brides to them and kept it a secret.
it's on the frontpage daily! the jtag exploit!
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 11 2009, 11:13 PM)
Folks, all of this sounds to me like a small 'breach' or 'bug' on ixtreme since it's 1.5 version to enable ppl to play wave3 and 4 games, not necessarily whole firmware check by MS.
Any recently ban from people with older versions (1.4 or below) of the ixtreme firmware out there?
yes mines from before all of the stealth stuff, i modded the drive for the king kong shader hack never used it for playing anything but that disk or original games, hit with this latest ban wave, (been fine up until 2 days ago)
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 11 2009, 03:13 PM)
Folks, all of this sounds to me like a small 'breach' or 'bug' on ixtreme since it's 1.5 version to enable ppl to play wave3 and 4 games, not necessarily whole firmware check by MS.
Any recently ban from people with older versions (1.4 or below) of the ixtreme firmware out there?
Yes, a couple of boxes that I know have where done over a year ago certainly not 1.5 or 1.6 firmwares on those, most likely 1.3 or 1.4 boxes - total of 6 various boxes IIRC. They all got banned in the last few days (over here in the UK).
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:46 PM)
I cant understand how nobody has even cracked the xbox 360 operating system just like windows vista and xp were. Same with ps3 to run custom custom firmware like the psp..... It makes me think, maybe somebody did crack the operating systems (xbox and ps3) Then sold there methods as brides to them and kept it a secret.
The O/S of the 360 and PS3 are very secure and sit on a 'Hypervisor', which is extremely difficult to get through. And any exploits that are found are easily patched by MS and Sony.
This was interesting.. I have a banned xbox ) sold it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) on craigslist and and was merely posting a thought and received great feedback for anyone who was thinking what i wrote.. This is a great site.. good feelings put into the posts.. thanks everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
QUOTE(dangal @ Nov 10 2009, 01:23 PM)
c4eva=MS
QUOTE(drunken_marlboroman @ Nov 10 2009, 01:42 PM)
I've finally worked it out!
c4eva=MS=9/11 .. it all makes sense now...
Yes now I also now see!!!
C4E= MS=Bigfoot=Area 51=The moon landing hoax=12-21-2012
Its one big conspiracy! They are all connected!
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Nov 11 2009, 12:16 PM)
yes mines from before all of the stealth stuff, i modded the drive for the king kong shader hack never used it for playing anything but that disk or original games, hit with this latest ban wave, (been fine up until 2 days ago)
QUOTE(bobbler @ Nov 11 2009, 12:17 PM)
Yes, a couple of boxes that I know have where done over a year ago certainly not 1.5 or 1.6 firmwares on those, most likely 1.3 or 1.4 boxes - total of 6 various boxes IIRC. They all got banned in the last few days (over here in the UK).
I'm still alive on xbox live but it feels like i'm taking care of a 'time bomb' :-(
Mine has an old ixtreme firmware (1.3 or 1.4) and since the middle of last year I started using the xbox live
and gave up using backups and run only use originals. Seems like it's a matter of time for me to get banned too. Damn... :-(
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 11 2009, 03:36 PM)
I'm still alive on xbox live but it feels like i'm taking care of a 'time bomb' :-(
Mine has an old ixtreme firmware (1.3 or 1.4) and since the middle of last year I started using the xbox live
and gave up using backups and run only use originals. Seems like it's a matter of time for me to get banned too. Damn... :-(
Make it RRoD, send it in to MS & get back a refirb without time bomb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
(unless you're out of warranty - in that case, i'd just stay offline)
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Nov 11 2009, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 11 2009, 10:39 AM)
Make it RRoD, (removed i like my x-scene account) without time bomb
(unless you're out of warranty - in that case, i'd just stay offline)
I can't wait till a moderator reads that.
I hate MS too but how many people do the mods have to bitch at for this.
[OT]New abgx 1.0.2 is out! [/OT]
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 11 2009, 01:39 PM)
Make it RRoD, send it in to MS & get back a refirb without time bomb
(unless you're out of warranty - in that case, i'd just stay offline)
Life is not that good for brazilian gamers my friend, I bought mine already flashed from a local online store about a year and half ago and I don't think I still have some kind of warranty...
I'll just stay offline for now. I'll test the connection from time to time to see if I'm banned or not. As far as I know, I can discover if I'm banned being offline and only testing the connection to the xbox live, it will warn me if I'm banned or not without blocking the HDD game instalation (I saw that trick on another forum).
I'm already preparing my pocket to buy a new overpriced and full of taxes official brazilian xbox360 version. :-(
HAlleluia ABGX 1.0.2 is out..
This post has been edited by halleluia: Nov 11 2009, 05:17 PM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Nov 11 2009, 06:16 PM)
HAlleluia ABGX 1.0.2 is out..
Just found this:
New abgx 1.0.2 update is fake !!!! Do not update !!!!
by SputniK » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm
DO NOT DOWNLOAD NEW ABGX 1.0.2 UPDATE ITS FAKE ITS GONNA GET YOU BANNED !!!!!!!
People are posting up links about the new abgx 1.0.2. Which is compatiable with wave 4 games. I repeat DONOT USE IT! IT is a mod! Its like copying a crack of a .exe which has been edited and posting it to modify the outputs of what the abgx will show when you run a eave 4 game!
Oh really. So someone hacked ABGX's site and posted up the release notes and the link to the download? And then they hacked into Xbins and put it up there too?
Seriously... its legit. Maybe not all the links are just go to the abgx site and download it
I just downloaded it from the official site, and you're trying to say its fake?
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 12 2009, 02:13 AM)
Life is not that good for brazilian gamers my friend, I bought mine already flashed from a local online store about a year and half ago and I don't think I still have some kind of warranty...
I'll just stay offline for now. I'll test the connection from time to time to see if I'm banned or not. As far as I know, I can discover if I'm banned being offline and only testing the connection to the xbox live, it will warn me if I'm banned or not without blocking the HDD game instalation (I saw that trick on another forum).
I'm already preparing my pocket to buy a new overpriced and full of taxes official brazilian xbox360 version. :-(
well no in the connection test it attempts to make a "test" connection to xbl, meaning the same thing will happen as if you try to connect with your gamer tag, the safest way is to try to request a repair from xbox.com, it will error if you are banned
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 11 2009, 04:46 PM)
Just found this:
New abgx 1.0.2 update is fake !!!! Do not update !!!!
by SputniK » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm
DO NOT DOWNLOAD NEW ABGX 1.0.2 UPDATE ITS FAKE ITS GONNA GET YOU BANNED !!!!!!!
People are posting up links about the new abgx 1.0.2. Which is compatiable with wave 4 games. I repeat DONOT USE IT! IT is a mod! Its like copying a crack of a .exe which has been edited and posting it to modify the outputs of what the abgx will show when you run a eave 4 game!
It's available to download of the official abgx site, and is a full install not a patch.
Lol, what a joke, just installed it and tested with a Wave4 game
I think he was referring to the leaked updated version that was floating around a few days ago. Just get it from the offical abgx site and it will be fine
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 11 2009, 06:49 PM)
Oh really. So someone hacked ABGX's site and posted up the release notes and the link to the download? And then they hacked into Xbins and put it up there too?
Seriously... its legit. Maybe not all the links are just go to the abgx site and download it
thats what i thought...must be some idiot posting about. Google this (New abgx 1.0.2 update is fake !!!! ) and see what hes on about?
QUOTE(Monkers @ Nov 11 2009, 06:54 PM)
I think he was referring to the leaked updated version that was floating around a few days ago. Just get it from the offical abgx site and it will be fine
oh cheers. Will download then
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:46 AM)
Just found this:
New abgx 1.0.2 update is fake !!!! Do not update !!!!
by SputniK » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm
Today is Nov. 11, and its on its official site.
These people are talking about the update that team xecuter posted.
QUOTE(Monkers @ Nov 11 2009, 05:54 PM)
I think he was referring to the leaked updated version that was floating around a few days ago. Just get it from the offical abgx site and it will be fine
Just to clear this up for everyone - I checked a few wave4 games using the "leaked" version and then verified the ISO's again using the official 1.0.2 version that was released today.
No change on verification. The ISO's stayed the same.
Nice, im gonna download 1.0.2 now.
Hey guys,
So I just went on the xbox site and did the request repair thing to see if my console is banned. After requesting, I got this:
Error
This service is temporarily unavailable. Please try back again later.
^ Is that the error confirming my console is banned? Or... ?
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 11 2009, 07:34 PM)
Hey guys,
So I just went on the xbox site and did the request repair thing to see if my console is banned. After requesting, I got this:
Error
This service is temporarily unavailable. Please try back again later.
^ Is that the error confirming my console is banned? Or... ?
Look at the address bar. The error code is at the end of the address.
as said before all the hard work is just fantastic for us all to gain something on teh cheap or even free
i luv this guys effort but i can see why he would wanna crack it, the challenge must be really full filling
keep up the great work i think there should be a donation program for uploading the latest firmware - a token nothing heavy ??
Hey All,
I have an unbanned BenQ here, and was thinking of getting an "insurance" console.
I was looking at an Arcade model. Can someone confirm the so-called safe lot code that I need to stay below to get a readable Lite-On?
I've read that July back (0931 and earlier) should be OK, but there's so many garbage entries in the 360 drive database that it's hard to tell.
Thanks,
coreyinoz
QUOTE(coreyinoz @ Nov 11 2009, 01:49 PM)
Hey All,
I have an unbanned BenQ here, and was thinking of getting an "insurance" console.
I was looking at an Arcade model. Can someone confirm the so-called safe lot code that I need to stay below to get a readable Lite-On?
I've read that July back (0931 and earlier) should be OK, but there's so many garbage entries in the 360 drive database that it's hard to tell.
Thanks,
coreyinoz
July consoles should be fine. I pickup the last 4 my local Wal-Mart had the other day and they was all flashedable.
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:43 PM)
Look at the address bar. The error code is at the end of the address.
This is the address bar
http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/...s.aspx?id=54420
EDIT: I tried the same thing, only this time I did it through the Canada site (home country), and it works...
I'm confused about this.
Also, should I just bring it to stock as soon as possible. If I am flagged, maybe I still have a chance...no?
This post has been edited by reaperz: Nov 11 2009, 08:20 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 11 2009, 06:43 PM)
Look at the address bar. The error code is at the end of the address.
How accurate is this?
EDIT: - Justed tryed the same with a stock box and still got that error code. Everything goes through fine on the uk Site (my home country) Dont know if this can be trusted
This post has been edited by MrNorma: Nov 11 2009, 08:13 PM
QUOTE(MrNorma @ Nov 11 2009, 08:10 PM)
How accurate is this?
EDIT: - Justed tryed the same with a stock box and still got that error code. Everything goes through fine on the uk Site (my home country) Dont know if this can be trusted
People are reading too much into this error. I would not take it as any sort of proof that you are banned or not. The only way to find out is to try to connect to LIVE, or call MS support and request a repair and see what they say to you.
after checking my xbox on the US website.. it says error 54420
however, if I check with Canada's website.. all is well.
I think people are reading too much into this error
QUOTE(KidShowtime @ Nov 11 2009, 03:15 PM)
after checking my xbox on the US website.. it says error 54420
however, if I check with Canada's website.. all is well.
I think people are reading too much into this error
My modded samsung also got this message, and I was freaking out...this was after playing modern warfare 2 backup online the night before. I reflashed to stock and logged on and all was well...I too think the error could be a fluke, or at the very least that error doesn't JUST apply to banned consoles.
do you guys think that the new firmware will be easy to flash to the drives, like the normal firmware like do you think it will be the same process?? using jungleflasher and all that, with a pc with sata card????
QUOTE(MrNorma @ Nov 11 2009, 02:10 PM)
How accurate is this?
EDIT: - Justed tryed the same with a stock box and still got that error code. Everything goes through fine on the uk Site (my home country) Dont know if this can be trusted
I am sure the problem is thousands of people are trying this, and truth is the online warranty server is having problems handling the requests, so one moment you get thru, the next you get an error, does not mean nothing, just too much traffic for that little corner of M$ hardware.
Alright guys,
I've looked around several forums and sites, and this is what I seem to have gathered about the 54420 error.
Once you have the 54420 error, it means your console is flagged. The next time you connect to Xbox Live, they will do another investigation to confirm whether or not it's banned.
So, for those who have 54420. I would suggest downgrading the fw to stock, and then connect to xbox live and play a retail game. Once doing that, it will confirm that your console is proper, and the flag will be taken off.
Many people have gotten the 54420, downgraded to stock, and now they can request repair.
QUOTE(ste030 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:42 AM)
its a bit silly saying that he works for ms, it wouldnt make sense, i am the greatful that he does what he does. for those people who say c4=ms, dont bother flashing your xbox with his firmware then ??
hmmm
thanks c4
I'm not going to agree or disagree here. I'm simply going to post an observation and leave it to you guys to tear apart as you see fit. I greatly respect the community and C4 in a twisted way, believe it or not.
But to look at things clearly, the entire process lends to the M$ money machine.
Those who would not pay for console games flash their firmware and usually pay for live more often than not. So where you wouldn't have a customer in the first place you have someone springing for the console knowing they can mod it.
The ban waves are more prevelant around the approaching holiday season where 4th quarter sales come in. And from seeing people skate by on unstealthed firmware and playing unreleased games on live you know they're not fully inclusive. M$ intentionally lets people slide so that the FW mod doesn't fall out altogether. The bans target only your hardware, forcing you to go out and either purchase a new console or pick up a used one (since some of us prefer to keep money out of M$ hands).
Now with this current wave we've established that it's clear they can detect the firmware. I lost a second box to a ban just to test the theory as many others have (my wallet will be fine, thank you). And from what I've seen C4 is silent a bit while he checks things out and then immediately comes back with a guaranteed fix that's going to save the day. Am I correct in assuming that this fix, that he states will only be available for light-on at the time of release, is for the new 360's, post August 2009? It might be in reference to light-on's in general. But I would assume he was working on the new one's first and foremost prior to the ban wave.
If that's the case then in hunting for a new 360 you're not going to have as great of luck picking up a used 360. I find it more likely that this is driving the community to purchase a newer 360 so we can once again use the 'undetectable' firmware. Thus driving 360 sales up for the holiday season and keeping developers in M$ pocket based on solid figures. Remember, the money lost on video games sales is inconsequential on a market that wasn't going to invest as greatly in the first place. And strong console sales directly impact M$ and their dealings with developers.
Personally, I'll be waiting and watching to see what will develop. Keeping a keen eye on where the money flows. This is really a fantastic way to perpetuate console sales.
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 11 2009, 03:29 PM)
Alright guys,
I've looked around several forums and sites, and this is what I seem to have gathered about the 54420 error.
Once you have the 54420 error, it means your console is flagged. The next time you connect to Xbox Live, they will do another investigation to confirm whether or not it's banned.
So, for those who have 54420. I would suggest downgrading the fw to stock, and then connect to xbox live and play a retail game. Once doing that, it will confirm that your console is proper, and the flag will be taken off.
Many people have gotten the 54420, downgraded to stock, and now they can request repair.
Yes, this is what everyone is saying. But ive had 54420 since the wave started and ive been playing gears online all week. Im currently playing, and im not banned. Hmmm
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:10 PM)
Yes, this is what everyone is saying. But ive had 54420 since the wave started and ive been playing gears online all week. Im currently playing, and im not banned. Hmmm
Same here. I purchased my Jasper brand new on Aug 28, 2009 and flashed it after my sister played a few retail games on it, (My previous console RRoD earlier that week so we waited till the price drop). I extracted the key and flashed a Hitachi from my RRoD console to test to make sure I had the right key. After a week or so, I flashed the stock Lite-On and have on Live constantly since then.
My RRoD console I have had for over 2 years, (bought on eBay), flashed it right away. I can still request a repair. I sent in last week for repair after restoring to stock and I will have it back in a few days. I guess it was never flagged.
Let's keep fighting to good fight for you legitimate modders (one that only rip their own 360 collection.)
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 11 2009, 08:29 PM)
Alright guys,
I've looked around several forums and sites, and this is what I seem to have gathered about the 54420 error.
Once you have the 54420 error, it means your console is flagged. The next time you connect to Xbox Live, they will do another investigation to confirm whether or not it's banned.
So, for those who have 54420. I would suggest downgrading the fw to stock, and then connect to xbox live and play a retail game. Once doing that, it will confirm that your console is proper, and the flag will be taken off.
Many people have gotten the 54420, downgraded to stock, and now they can request repair.
Damn, just had my 3rd 360 banned, well my younger sons, he was fine up untill 5 mins ago, just flashed to original firmware, all ok, until i signed online and the ban message appeared...i had the 54420 error...
oh well, just got my oldest another 360 and mwf2, and he doesnt want it flashing this time.....dont blame him....mwf2 is sweet online!
I am going to check if I am flagged. Than if I am I will downgrade to stock than see if I am still flagged. Thanks
I believe the 54420 error only appears on the US Xbox site. I tried from several european xbox sites, and the console repair function works fine there.
Can anyone confirm?
If the whole error code thing is true, for the Lite-On owners, what if we spoofed a Samsung or other drive to a Lite-On and flashed it with the original firmware. Would that work to avoid being flagged?
QUOTE(BillyBoy1 @ Nov 11 2009, 05:46 PM)
I believe the 54420 error only appears on the US Xbox site. I tried from several european xbox sites, and the console repair function works fine there.
Can anyone confirm?
I tried the Canada one (I live in Canada) and i do not get the error. US gives me 54420
Checked 3 consoles registered on 3 different accounts, 2 of them go through with the repair on both Canadian and American. One console has 54420 on US site but not Canadian. The 54420 console is not banned off live (Lite-on).
QUOTE(danzio2020 @ Nov 11 2009, 05:59 PM)
Checked 3 consoles registered on 3 different accounts, 2 of them go through with the repair on both Canadian and American. One console has 54420 on US site but not Canadian. The 54420 console is not banned off live (Lite-on).
Are all 3 modded?
as being a good member here can you please help me with a question .
i was banned but i have a friend that has a unmodded 360 ! i want to trade him my modded banned one for the unmodded one but worried about hdd corrupt ! . is it only when you take the hdd out of the banned 360 and put it in a non banned one will it corrupt? or does it corrupt after every game you play ? the reason ? the dude dont have internet and would have no way to redownload his profile . ! im thinking as long as he uses banned 360 and doesnt try to put hdd in a new 360 it shouldnt corrupt the profile right ???
How did this turn into an error 54420 discussion? There is a separate thread for that.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=695815
QUOTE(catman25 @ Nov 11 2009, 06:28 PM)
as being a good member here can you please help me with a question .
i was banned but i have a friend that has a unmodded 360 ! i want to trade him my modded banned one for the unmodded one but worried about hdd corrupt ! . is it only when you take the hdd out of the banned 360 and put it in a non banned one will it corrupt? or does it corrupt after every game you play ? the reason ? the dude dont have internet and would have no way to redownload his profile . ! im thinking as long as he uses banned 360 and doesnt try to put hdd in a new 360 it shouldnt corrupt the profile right ???
Im not sure waht causes the corruption, but here's how fix it:
1. On a non-banned 360, turn on your console with a memory unit that does NOT contain your corrupted game profile.
2. Recover your XBL profile to a memory card on your non-banned console
3. Turn your non-banned console off.
4. Plug in your hard drive/memory card with your corrupted saves to your non-banned console.
5. Go to System settings -> Memory -> (your "corrupted" memory unit) -> Gamer Profiles and select your corrupted profile.
6. Select delete and make sure you select DELETE PROFILE ONLY. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR SAVES
7. Turn your console off
8. Put it your memory unit with your "corrupt" saves
9. Also insert your memory unit with the gamertag you recovered from XBL earlier
10. System settings -> Memory -> (memory unit with recovered gamertag) -> Move -> Your gamertag
11. Move your gamertag to your Memory unit with your previously corrupt saves and you should be good to go.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:45 PM)
Im not sure waht causes the corruption, but here's how fix it:
1. On a non-banned 360, turn on your console with a memory unit that does NOT contain your corrupted game profile.
2. Recover your XBL profile to a memory card on your non-banned console
3. Turn your non-banned console off.
4. Plug in your hard drive/memory card with your corrupted saves to your non-banned console.
5. Go to System settings -> Memory -> (your "corrupted" memory unit) -> Gamer Profiles and select your corrupted profile.
6. Select delete and make sure you select DELETE PROFILE ONLY. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR SAVES
7. Turn your console off
8. Put it your memory unit with your "corrupt" saves
9. Also insert your memory unit with the gamertag you recovered from XBL earlier
10. System settings -> Memory -> (memory unit with recovered gamertag) -> Move -> Your gamertag
11. Move your gamertag to your Memory unit with your previously corrupt saves and you should be good to go.
thanks for the response , i dont have a memory unit ! i just wondered if the profiles stay fine until you put hdd in a different console or does the profile corrupt after every game play or system reset ? if it stays non corrupted unless you place hdd in a different console them im fine but if every reset of whatever then im not so fine ! this guy doesnt go online at all ! when i put his hdd in my banned console should he be fine ? or will it instant corrupt ?
QUOTE(SwiftingSpeed @ Nov 11 2009, 02:40 PM)
The drive still needs to be in vendor mode and the Xbox can't force the drive into vendor mode.
actually no vendor mode is required for dummy from ixtreme, plug it in and it's an instant response after pressing the button.
QUOTE(jonnyjay @ Nov 11 2009, 03:08 PM)
I'm not going to agree or disagree here. I'm simply going to post an observation and leave it to you guys to tear apart as you see fit. I greatly respect the community and C4 in a twisted way, believe it or not.
But to look at things clearly, the entire process lends to the M$ money machine.
Those who would not pay for console games flash their firmware and usually pay for live more often than not. So where you wouldn't have a customer in the first place you have someone springing for the console knowing they can mod it.
The ban waves are more prevelant around the approaching holiday season where 4th quarter sales come in. And from seeing people skate by on unstealthed firmware and playing unreleased games on live you know they're not fully inclusive. M$ intentionally lets people slide so that the FW mod doesn't fall out altogether. The bans target only your hardware, forcing you to go out and either purchase a new console or pick up a used one (since some of us prefer to keep money out of M$ hands).
Now with this current wave we've established that it's clear they can detect the firmware. I lost a second box to a ban just to test the theory as many others have (my wallet will be fine, thank you). And from what I've seen C4 is silent a bit while he checks things out and then immediately comes back with a guaranteed fix that's going to save the day. Am I correct in assuming that this fix, that he states will only be available for light-on at the time of release, is for the new 360's, post August 2009? It might be in reference to light-on's in general. But I would assume he was working on the new one's first and foremost prior to the ban wave.
If that's the case then in hunting for a new 360 you're not going to have as great of luck picking up a used 360. I find it more likely that this is driving the community to purchase a newer 360 so we can once again use the 'undetectable' firmware. Thus driving 360 sales up for the holiday season and keeping developers in M$ pocket based on solid figures. Remember, the money lost on video games sales is inconsequential on a market that wasn't going to invest as greatly in the first place. And strong console sales directly impact M$ and their dealings with developers.
Personally, I'll be waiting and watching to see what will develop. Keeping a keen eye on where the money flows. This is really a fantastic way to perpetuate console sales.
You forget one thing. MS loses money on console sales. They ONLY make money by selling games. Your theory is dead in the water right there.
The new firmware isnt for the new post-Aug 2009 drives. It is likely he was working on the 1.61 for Lite-Ons and once it was obvious it was detectable he switched to the new firmware. Also if hes testing with numerous Xboxes he most likely has newer ones with Lite-Ons.
MS Figured out how to find the firmware plain and simple. Now C4 will come back with firmware thats undetectable again until MS figures out how to find it again.
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 12 2009, 12:35 AM)
You forget one thing. MS loses money on console sales. They ONLY make money by selling games. Your theory is dead in the water right there.
The new firmware isnt for the new post-Aug 2009 drives. It is likely he was working on the 1.61 for Lite-Ons and once it was obvious it was detectable he switched to the new firmware. Also if hes testing with numerous Xboxes he most likely has newer ones with Lite-Ons.
MS Figured out how to find the firmware plain and simple. Now C4 will come back with firmware thats undetectable again until MS figures out how to find it again.
The xbox 360 firmware is not readable, but can be detected for having a missing feature. C4 forgot to implement the second layer security feature into the firmware (Anti Piracy 2.5) which is on the second layer of the dvd. C4 never thought it would have been a threat so they left it out of every firmware. It's never been a threat until now, so he's fixing that issue. Why do you think he said,"more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!" That because he left out Anti Piracy 2.5 in the firmware. That's a big oops, but we cant blame him. I bet when Microsoft realized this they were so happy again. My friend's xbox360 had ixtreme 1.4 and he moved away from me before getting any backups and only playings real games xbox and got banned recently. Since the firmware is missing that second security layer, it wont allow the originals to report it even though its on the discs. All firmware out is missing Anti Piracy 2.5.
Has anyone been banned with previous dashboard, like 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009), or 2.0.8507.0 (9-23-2009)?
The most recent dash is 2.0.8955.0 (10-28-2009) and the banning happened 2 days after that dash update. I wonder if the new dash implemented the new security check and if it failed you got banned. Every time i connect to live it ask's me to update my dash, but im still running the 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009) dashboard. I havn't been on live in a while, To busy with school.
If you have time, and your banned can you post the dashboard number, maybe anyone with a previous dash is safe if they don't update for now.
This post has been edited by mat82284: Nov 12 2009, 02:00 AM
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 04:41 PM)
The xbox 360 firmware is not readable, but can be detected for having a missing feature. C4 forgot to implement the second layer security feature into the firmware (Anti Piracy 2.5) which is on the second layer of the dvd. C4 never thought it would have been a threat so they left it out of every firmware. It's never been a threat until now, so he's fixing that issue. Why do you think he said,"more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!" That because he left out Anti Piracy 2.5 in the firmware. That's a big oops, but we cant blame him. I bet when Microsoft realized this they were so happy again. My friend's xbox360 had ixtreme 1.4 and he moved away from me before getting any backups and only playings real games xbox and got banned recently. Since the firmware is missing that second security layer, it wont allow the originals to report it even though its on the discs. All firmware out is missing Anti Piracy 2.5.
does that mean abgx360 would have to be updated as well? or does it already read and verify that?
QUOTE(catman25 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:07 PM)
thanks for the response , i dont have a memory unit ! i just wondered if the profiles stay fine until you put hdd in a different console or does the profile corrupt after every game play or system reset ? if it stays non corrupted unless you place hdd in a different console them im fine but if every reset of whatever then im not so fine ! this guy doesnt go online at all ! when i put his hdd in my banned console should he be fine ? or will it instant corrupt ?
Im pretty sure it corrupts once you put the HDD in a new 360. Until that happens, your saves are safe.
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:41 PM)
The xbox 360 firmware is not readable, but can be detected for having a missing feature. C4 forgot to implement the second layer security feature into the firmware (Anti Piracy 2.5) which is on the second layer of the dvd. C4 never thought it would have been a threat so they left it out of every firmware. It's never been a threat until now, so he's fixing that issue. Why do you think he said,"more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!" That because he left out Anti Piracy 2.5 in the firmware. That's a big oops, but we cant blame him. I bet when Microsoft realized this they were so happy again. My friend's xbox360 had ixtreme 1.4 and he moved away from me before getting any backups and only playings real games xbox and got banned recently. Since the firmware is missing that second security layer, it wont allow the originals to report it even though its on the discs. All firmware out is missing Anti Piracy 2.5.
Has anyone been banned with previous dashboard, like 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009), or 2.0.8507.0 (9-23-2009)?
The most recent dash is 2.0.8955.0 (10-28-2009) and the banning happened 2 days after that dash update. I wonder if the new dash implemented the new security check and if it failed you got banned. Every time i connect to live it ask's me to update my dash, but im still running the 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009) dashboard. I havn't been on live in a while, To busy with school.
If you have time, and your banned can you post the dashboard number, maybe anyone with a previous dash is safe if they don't update for now.
You can only go on Live if you update your 360. So everyone who is banned has the latest dashboard
QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 12 2009, 12:59 AM)
does that mean abgx360 would have to be updated as well? or does it already read and verify that?
Thats a good question, I'm not sure since i dont know anything about abgx360. Maybe C4 contacted them about that and thats why a new update just came out?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 04:26 PM)
Are all 3 modded?
Yes all three are modded none of them are banned, but one shows 55420.
Edit: Last week I had an xbox get banned, it had the Xbox Preview program on it,
and I played MW2 and tonnes of other games. Console ban.
This post has been edited by danzio2020: Nov 12 2009, 02:11 AM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:03 AM)
Im pretty sure it corrupts once you put the HDD in a new 360. Until that happens, your saves are safe.
You can only go on Live if you update your 360. So everyone who is banned has the latest dashboard
That i understand, I didnt mean anyone playing on live. I meant like people who always turn down the update (like myself when i have no need to play online). I would think that even without the newest update that you should still be able to get banned. If you get flagged, why would Microsoft want to allow you to download the newest dashboard? It doesn't benefit them any. They would want to ban you before letting you download it. To this day it still asks me to update my dashboard and i always turn it down.
This post has been edited by mat82284: Nov 12 2009, 02:11 AM
id love to meet c4eva and buy him a pint or ten, this man is a legend, they should build a statue of him and put it outside the microsoft studios, its like people say he could just not bother, he doesnt owe us anything yet he goes out of his way, i would still see him as a legend ban or no ban, and im banned by the way, so what if he said the firmware isnt detectable thats just what he thought then, i seen the post on the irc channel when he was like oh dear major breakthrough, just found out a way they can detect firmware, it was so funny cuz then he legged it, the guy he was talkin to was like hey where he go?? lol, trust me it was funny stuff, not saying this situation is funny just the way he was straight of to do his thing, no hangin around
c4eva do your thing,
they should have t shirts made, with bill gates head facing c4evas head, deathmatch, id put all my money and everything i owned on c4eva hed smash bill gates
think i might be gettin to carried away but i just want to express my aprreciation to this guy
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:09 PM)
That i understand, I didnt mean anyone playing on live. I meant like people who always turn down the update. I would think that even without the newest update that you should still be able to get banned. If you get flagged, why would Microsoft want to allow you to download the newest dashboard? It doesn't benefit them any. They would want to ban you before letting you download it.
I doubt it. This banwave came after that wifi update so im sure that update had some sorta check
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:09 AM)
That i understand, I didnt mean anyone playing on live. I meant like people who always turn down the update (like myself when i have no need to play online). I would think that even without the newest update that you should still be able to get banned. If you get flagged, why would Microsoft want to allow you to download the newest dashboard? It doesn't benefit them any. They would want to ban you before letting you download it. To this day it still asks me to update my dashboard and i always turn it down.
mat i was just wondering how do you know about this anti piracy thing? they are missing, just curious?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:11 AM)
I doubt it. This banwave came after that wifi update so im sure that update had some sorta check
Then anyone with an old dash is safe for now at least. I wont update till new firmware comes out. This is what i was trying to figure out.
QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:13 AM)
mat i was just wondering how do you know about this anti piracy thing? they are missing, just curious?
I was talking to some people on mirc that explained it to me. And i believed him because of my friend. He got banned for running Iextreme 1.4 with originals only (I flashed his xbox then he moved and never had a chance for me to backup any of his games) If it was missing the anti piracy 2.5 then it makes total sense. I believe C4 when he sais that its unreadable. Now he never said it cant be distinguishable from the original. If its missing any piracy features then it would be a huge red flag.
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:30 PM)
Then anyone with an old dash is safe for now at least. I wont update till new firmware comes out. This is what i was trying to figure out.
Dont take my word for it, but i would say yes. Unless, the checks started with a previous update. In which case, you're prob screwed.
Either way, if you're flagged, you're bound to be banned. whether your online or offline.
This post has been edited by zoltrix2590: Nov 12 2009, 02:36 AM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:33 AM)
Dont take my word for it, but i would say yes. Unless, the checks started with a previous update. In which case, you're prob screwed.
Either way, if you're flagged or not, you're bound to be banned. whether your online or offline.
Well im 2 dashboard updates behind so i'm hoping its long enough to have skipped this ban wave.
Wow microsoft hit 1million bans!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265...adStoriesArea.1
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:36 PM)
Well im 2 dashboard updates behind so i'm hoping its long enough to have skipped this ban wave.
Wow microsoft hit 1million bans!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265...adStoriesArea.1
yea you're probably good guy
So basically I know I have been flagged. For how long? No idea.
Would I have to connect to XBL for Microsoft to verify it modded and thus ban me? Or, can they re-verify and ban me even if I'm offline/xbox is turned off.
In other words, do I still have time to downgrade to stock firmware, play retail game for a while, and then connect to XBL, so when they re-verify, they will see that it hasn't been tampered with and I'll be safe.
???
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 11 2009, 09:09 PM)
So basically I know I have been flagged. For how long? No idea.
Would I have to connect to XBL for Microsoft to verify it modded and thus ban me? Or, can they re-verify and ban me even if I'm offline/xbox is turned off.
In other words, do I still have time to downgrade to stock firmware, play retail game for a while, and then connect to XBL, so when they re-verify, they will see that it hasn't been tampered with and I'll be safe.
???
reflashing has worked for some people.
Also, i was under the impression that once your flagged, your going to be banned, they just havent gotten to you yet..
This is really great news that something new is in the works to combat this new detection Microsoft now has in place to detect backups. We all owe c4eva a great debt of gratitude.
I just hope by the time it is released there will be consoles left unbanned.
Hm...I thought by "flagged", it meant Microsoft found something unusual with your console. However, don't they do multiple runs through the console to confirm whether it's banned or if they just made a mistake. So, I think by being flagged, it's like a warning that Microsoft is watching me closely basically.
Or am I wrong?
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 11 2009, 09:28 PM)
Hm...I thought by "flagged", it meant Microsoft found something unusual with your console. However, don't they do multiple runs through the console to confirm whether it's banned or if they just made a mistake. So, I think by being flagged, it's like a warning that Microsoft is watching me closely basically.
Or am I wrong?
Nothing's confirmed
ok so i gotta question i bought a 360 from craigslist not modded, then modded it to 1.60 liteon, i haven't even plugged it in to a ethernet cable don't have a live account on the 360 but i have played backups... what should i do wait for the update? will i get banned if i try to get the media update really quick?
QUOTE(Carlos923v @ Nov 11 2009, 10:04 PM)
ok so i gotta question i bought a 360 from craigslist not modded, then modded it to 1.60 liteon, i haven't even plugged it in to a ethernet cable don't have a live account on the 360 but i have played backups... what should i do wait for the update? will i get banned if i try to get the media update really quick?
If you dont got live, im pretty sure you cant get banned
whats up guys my two cents here i have been on live since bans with newly modded ben q 1.61 once bans started i used originals only checked all backups with abgx all good backups i'm playing with originals on live intill light touch comes out i can say i don't think its the firmware i think it's the response time from original to a back up keep up the good work c4eva
QUOTE(Carlos923v @ Nov 12 2009, 03:04 AM)
ok so i gotta question i bought a 360 from craigslist not modded, then modded it to 1.60 liteon, i haven't even plugged it in to a ethernet cable don't have a live account on the 360 but i have played backups... what should i do wait for the update? will i get banned if i try to get the media update really quick?
Dont do it, the media update is whats recording the info to send back to microsoft. Keep your dash the way it is for now, then get it reflashed when the new firmware comes out.
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:16 PM)
Dont do it, the media update is whats recording the info to send back to microsoft. Keep your dash the way it is for now, then get it reflashed when the new firmware comes out.
well i will say that i don't play back ups on live but off live i do no flag no ban so it may be a myth
QUOTE(Nemesis2007 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:13 PM)
whats up guys my two cents here i have been on live since bans with newly modded ben q 1.61 once bans started i used originals only checked all backups with abgx all good backups i'm playing with originals on live intill light touch comes out i can say i don't think its the firmware i think it's the response time from original to a back up keep up the good work c4eva
FYI there are people who have bought a brand new Xbox, modded it and never played a single backup and been banned the same day. I had BenQ 1.61, never played any games early and always always checked my games in ABGX. Further to that I've only played 2 different games in the last few months and I got banned.
At this point its not even a question. Clearly MS has found a way to detect modded firmware (Detect! NOT read!) and thus c4eva has found out whats causing it and is making new firmware.
If you keep playing with your 1.61 drive its not really a question of if you get banned but when. I wish you luck though...
With this AP 2.5 thing. Is there a way to tell if a game has it?
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 11 2009, 10:47 PM)
FYI there are people who have bought a brand new Xbox, modded it and never played a single backup and been banned the same day. I had BenQ 1.61, never played any games early and always always checked my games in ABGX. Further to that I've only played 2 different games in the last few months and I got banned.
There are lots of people that claim lots of things but rarely ever can prove it.
I for one with all the consoles I am using for testing have not yet been banned on a console I modded nearly a week ago and have never put a backup in the drive. However I no without a doubt that the moment I put a backup in the drive it will be banned.
As been stated a thousand times they are not directly detecting the firmware. However by detecting a backup they are indirectly detecting the firmware.
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:00 PM)
There are lots of people that claim lots of things but rarely ever can prove it.
I for one with all the consoles I am using for testing have not yet been banned on a console I modded nearly a week ago and have never put a backup in the drive. However I no without a doubt that the moment I put a backup in the drive it will be banned.
As been stated a thousand times they are not directly detecting the firmware. However by detecting a backup they are indirectly detecting the firmware.
well said
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:00 PM)
There are lots of people that claim lots of things but rarely ever can prove it.
I for one with all the consoles I am using for testing have not yet been banned on a console I modded nearly a week ago and have never put a backup in the drive. However I no without a doubt that the moment I put a backup in the drive it will be banned.
As been stated a thousand times they are not directly detecting the firmware. However by detecting a backup they are indirectly detecting the firmware.
so all of the people including myself who have recently modded a box and never played a backup, only originals, on live, and got banned, are lying? wat good would lying about that do other than cause more confusion. the fw is clearly the main cause of these bans. And u WILL be banned no matter what even if u dont put that backup in ur drive. its all a matter of time. U are just another person out of millions that hasnt been banned YET.
This post has been edited by Gwoo93: Nov 12 2009, 06:54 AM
I believe the firmware itself is detectable... there are a lot more people reporting they havent used backups and were banned then the past ban waves.. plus the fact that a new firmware is needed..
if it was just bad discs C4EVA would have nothing to fix.
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:41 PM)
The xbox 360 firmware is not readable, but can be detected for having a missing feature. C4 forgot to implement the second layer security feature into the firmware (Anti Piracy 2.5) which is on the second layer of the dvd. C4 never thought it would have been a threat so they left it out of every firmware. It's never been a threat until now, so he's fixing that issue. Why do you think he said,"more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA!" That because he left out Anti Piracy 2.5 in the firmware. That's a big oops, but we cant blame him. I bet when Microsoft realized this they were so happy again. My friend's xbox360 had ixtreme 1.4 and he moved away from me before getting any backups and only playings real games xbox and got banned recently. Since the firmware is missing that second security layer, it wont allow the originals to report it even though its on the discs. All firmware out is missing Anti Piracy 2.5.
Has anyone been banned with previous dashboard, like 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009), or 2.0.8507.0 (9-23-2009)?
The most recent dash is 2.0.8955.0 (10-28-2009) and the banning happened 2 days after that dash update. I wonder if the new dash implemented the new security check and if it failed you got banned. Every time i connect to live it ask's me to update my dash, but im still running the 2.0.8498.0 (08-11-2009) dashboard. I havn't been on live in a while, To busy with school.
If you have time, and your banned can you post the dashboard number, maybe anyone with a previous dash is safe if they don't update for now.
Please don't post about things you don't understand. You are misleading a lot of people. AP2.5 was around wave 3, not 4. Of course iXtreme implements it...
Proper source: http://xorloser.com/?p=9 [He's only speculating, and this is around wave 3 releases]
The most logical answer is that Microsoft found a way to detect iExtreme by sending questions and getting the wrong answers. It's already been said multiple times in this topic.
The question is, is it only asking these questions with Wave4 games?
We had this guy that bought a new system, flashed it, played a retail copy of MW2 (which happens to be a wave4 title) and got hit by the banhammer. So had he been hit if he had played a Wave3 game instead?
Do we have anybody here that's only played verified copies from abgx360 and never touched any Wave4 games?
Anybody crazy enough to flash a new system that's never seen any Wave4 titles, hook it up to Live and play some Wave3 game(s)?
QUOTE(Foppe @ Nov 12 2009, 08:11 AM)
The most logical answer is that Microsoft found a way to detect iExtreme by sending questions and getting the wrong answers. It's already been said multiple times in this topic.
The question is, is it only asking these questions with Wave4 games?
We had this guy that bought a new system, flashed it, played a retail copy of MW2 (which happens to be a wave4 title) and got hit by the banhammer. So had he been hit if he had played a Wave3 game instead?
Do we have anybody here that's only played verified copies from abgx360 and never touched any Wave4 games?
Anybody crazy enough to flash a new system that's never seen any Wave4 titles, hook it up to Live and play some Wave3 game(s)?
I 've never played a wave 4 game and also got banned directly after playing NFS Shift.
No pre-release games and always verified through ABGX.
My best guess is that MS is detecting the ixtreme by questioning the drive
in conjuction with the WiFi update and certain games.
QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 11 2009, 10:07 PM)
I believe the firmware itself is detectable... there are a lot more people reporting they havent used backups and were banned then the past ban waves.. plus the fact that a new firmware is needed..
if it was just bad discs C4EVA would have nothing to fix.
exactly. why would this thread even exist if the backups were the problem? C4EVA would not announce hes working on a new fw if the backups were what was causing the bans now would he. there is nothing here to solve or figure out. all there is to do is just wait til the fw is released. if u have anything other than stock/original fw, u will be or are already banned. if ur not banned and think ur gettin off easy im sorry but u will be banned soon enough. 600,000 consoles were banned the past few weeks. As of today over 1 million consoles are banned. Figure it out.
u think im kidding about those numbers, see for yourself.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265...adStoriesArea.1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
This post has been edited by Gwoo93: Nov 12 2009, 07:29 AM
QUOTE(Foppe @ Nov 12 2009, 04:11 PM)
The most logical answer is that Microsoft found a way to detect iExtreme by sending questions and getting the wrong answers. It's already been said multiple times in this topic.
The question is, is it only asking these questions with Wave4 games?
We had this guy that bought a new system, flashed it, played a retail copy of MW2 (which happens to be a wave4 title) and got hit by the banhammer. So had he been hit if he had played a Wave3 game instead?
Do we have anybody here that's only played verified copies from abgx360 and never touched any Wave4 games?
Anybody crazy enough to flash a new system that's never seen any Wave4 titles, hook it up to Live and play some Wave3 game(s)?
mine was banned with fable2 as the only disk based game played in the console over the last 12 months
Why is it so hard for people to understand that you don't have to play the game online to get banned? All you have to do is have the disc in your console and be signed into XBL. Queries are sent by XBL to your Xbox, making it perform checks by reading the disc.
For now, unplug your network cables BEFORE you put in any backup copy. Once you're done playing that, eject the disc, remove it, and POWER OFF. Plug back in network cable and power on with no disc in. You'll be fine so long as MS isn't running the same checks from Xbox to DVD when you're offline and saving them to some sort of permanent memory to upload once reconnected to XBL.
Hell, these plain English instructions should be plastered in front of everybody that has a modded console.
QUOTE(lucasz @ Nov 12 2009, 01:04 AM)
Why is it so hard for people to understand that you don't have to play the game online to get banned? All you have to do is have the disc in your console and be signed into XBL. Queries are sent by XBL to your Xbox, making it perform checks by reading the disc.
For now, unplug your network cables BEFORE you put in any backup copy. Once you're done playing that, eject the disc, remove it, and POWER OFF. Plug back in network cable and power on with no disc in. You'll be fine so long as MS isn't running the same checks from Xbox to DVD when you're offline and saving them to some sort of permanent memory to upload once reconnected to XBL.
Hell, these plain English instructions should be plastered in front of everybody that has a modded console.
i thought it puts the info on the nand?
QUOTE(lucasz @ Nov 12 2009, 02:04 AM)
Why is it so hard for people to understand that you don't have to play the game online to get banned? All you have to do is have the disc in your console and be signed into XBL. Queries are sent by XBL to your Xbox, making it perform checks by reading the disc.
For now, unplug your network cables BEFORE you put in any backup copy. Once you're done playing that, eject the disc, remove it, and POWER OFF. Plug back in network cable and power on with no disc in. You'll be fine so long as MS isn't running the same checks from Xbox to DVD when you're offline and saving them to some sort of permanent memory to upload once reconnected to XBL.
Hell, these plain English instructions should be plastered in front of everybody that has a modded console.
plz dont say things like "you'll be fine" when nothing is actually confirmed.
QUOTE(lucasz @ Nov 12 2009, 08:04 AM)
Why is it so hard for people to understand that you don't have to play the game online to get banned? All you have to do is have the disc in your console and be signed into XBL. Queries are sent by XBL to your Xbox, making it perform checks by reading the disc.
For now, unplug your network cables BEFORE you put in any backup copy. Once you're done playing that, eject the disc, remove it, and POWER OFF. Plug back in network cable and power on with no disc in. You'll be fine so long as MS isn't running the same checks from Xbox to DVD when you're offline and saving them to some sort of permanent memory to upload once reconnected to XBL.
Hell, these plain English instructions should be plastered in front of everybody that has a modded console.
You upload your Gamerscore and Achievements everytime you connect to Xbox Live, why would Microsoft not allow the console to upload a few extra bytes to tell them if you have a modded system or not?
QUOTE(jayneo8 @ Nov 12 2009, 01:15 AM)
plz dont say things like "you'll be fine" when nothing is actually confirmed.
OK, good point. Safest thing is to leave the network cable unplugged or to manually configure IP for local LAN, but no default gateway (For local streaming capability). Second to that is what I suggested. I have heard back and forth talk about the same DVD queries being done offline and saved to NAND, then uploaded in the Xbox Live logs once reconnected. Can someone provide a link to a reputable source confirming that happens? In that case, leave cable unplugged and don't play any backups until a new firmware comes out that better masks the disc reading anomalies.
QUOTE(Foppe @ Nov 12 2009, 01:32 AM)
You upload your Gamerscore and Achievements everytime you connect to Xbox Live, why would Microsoft not allow the console to upload a few extra bytes to tell them if you have a modded system or not?
Gamerscore and Achievements are stored in your profile. They COULD store the disc query info to the same place. Last I heard though, no data of this type was written to the hard drive/flash memory after doing before and after storage comparison using forensic tools (e.g.Winhex).
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 03:33 AM)
Dont take my word for it, but i would say yes. Unless, the checks started with a previous update. In which case, you're prob screwed.
Either way, if you're flagged, you're bound to be banned. whether your online or offline.
if you think you're flagged stay offline and wait till ixtreme LT. Flash with that and play original game online when you first log in live. He says its un detectable
wouldn't it be wise if you didnt want to get banned to create a new live account once reflashing to ixtreme LT to do away with your game history and take you out of the flagging pool?
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:43 AM)
wouldn't it be wise if you didnt want to get banned to create a new live account once reflashing to ixtreme LT to do away with your game history and take you out of the flagging pool?
flag stays with console id no way to get away from that beside use a new console which has a different id all together...
Is there any one banned with SILVER not GOLD account? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
of course!
Was not banned 7:00 AM EST Tuesday morning (11/10/2009). Did not play at all for next 1 1/2 days. In fact, the console's power was disconnected.
Reverted back to stock Benq fw on Wednesday night (11/12/2009) and got banned.
QUOTE(amanchin @ Nov 12 2009, 04:08 PM)
Was not banned 7:00 AM EST Tuesday morning (11/10/2009). Did not play at all for next 1 1/2 days. In fact, the console's power was disconnected.
Reverted back to stock Benq fw on Wednesday night (11/12/2009) and got banned.
Same...had a samsung unbanned, then reverted back to stock, waited a day, and then logged back in. Banned the next day.
well that means, console have been flagged in advance. I m beginning to trust this new LT firmware less and less. MS might be willingly letting the test consoles unbanned, so that everybody upgrades to it and Bam, next banwave, they are all banned!!!!
QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 12 2009, 10:31 PM)
well that means, console have been flagged in advance. I m beginning to trust this new LT firmware less and less. MS might be willingly letting the test consoles unbanned, so that everybody upgrades to it and Bam, next banwave, they are all banned!!!!
They would have to know the console ID's and serial numbers. As long as the console were never registered or registered by someone not associated with c4eva, they would have no idea.
QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 12 2009, 09:31 PM)
well that means, console have been flagged in advance. I m beginning to trust this new LT firmware less and less. MS might be willingly letting the test consoles unbanned, so that everybody upgrades to it and Bam, next banwave, they are all banned!!!!
I thought the three test boxes were running 1.61?
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 12 2009, 04:35 PM)
They would have to know the console ID's and serial numbers. As long as the console were never registered or registered by someone not associated with c4eva, they would have no idea.
How do you think they flag and ban you???
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 12 2009, 10:35 PM)
They would have to know the console ID's and serial numbers. As long as the console were never registered or registered by someone not associated with c4eva, they would have no idea.
I think they already know. If they can extract firmware info, they can surely extract gamertags, who its registered to, etc, etc....
i think the 'flagging' means you're already banned, period. they just delay the actual banning for some of them so that they don't ban 1million consoles in the same day and have their support phones flooded. it's easier to spread the bannings out over 1-2 weeks.
that's probably why switching back to stock FW doesn't work once you're 'flagged'.
QUOTE(kmfdm515 @ Nov 12 2009, 05:23 PM)
i think the 'flagging' means you're already banned, period. they just delay the actual banning for some of them so that they don't ban 1million consoles in the same day and have their support phones flooded. it's easier to spread the bannings out over 1-2 weeks.
that's probably why switching back to stock FW doesn't work once you're 'flagged'.
my thoughts exactly.
just to add... although the flagged consoles are doomed (now or in the future), i believe the totally unmodded systems that receives LT will be fine.
what i find extremely interesting (or rather uninteresting when you think about it) is all the various theories and what not. pardon me for summarizing, but i'm just trying to count:
1. ban = played a release before street date
2. ban = bad rip
3.1 ban = DETECTABLE but NOT readable fw
3.2 ban = detectable fw but have to have a disc in the drive and connected to live
3.3 ban = detectable fw but no disc in the drive and connected to live
4.1 flagged for banning but returning to stock fw = live to see another day
4.2 flagged for banning, and there is nothing you can do.
5 nand stores data and then uploads to live. dash xxxx has this capability.
fantastic. i'm sure i missed the other 20 theories out there. in any case, this is quite amazing. this is exactly what M$ wanted...to keep us guessing. but it seems like C4eva already knows what's up and thus is working on the fix. of course, we could start conspiracy theories on why he's working on a new fw, but its pretty obv that's he's fed the scene for a long time and w/o him we wouldn't even be banned because we'd be too pussy to go on live.
Question
I have not been banned but expect it any time now.I am not gonna get all worked up like some people.I plan on keeping my Elite and picking up a arcade for online play only.Am I able to use a memory card and play on their with my GT and continue to use my XBL Gold membership?Or will I have to do a full recovery of my GT on that system?I plan to only use this for online play and nothing else.My soon to be banned Elite will continue to play all of my offline titles.
Thank you for any help
This post has been edited by mikechi: Nov 12 2009, 11:59 PM
QUOTE(amanchin @ Nov 12 2009, 11:27 PM)
i believe the totally unmodded systems that receives LT will be fine.
...till the next ban wave...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
QUOTE(mikechi @ Nov 12 2009, 11:43 PM)
Question
I have not been banned but expect it any time now.I am not gonna get all worked up like some people.I plan on keeping my Elite and picking up a arcade for online play only.Am I able to use a memory card and play on their with my GT and continue to use my XBL Gold membership?Or will I have to do a full recovery of my GT on that system?I plan to only use this for online play and nothing else.My soon to be banned Elite will continue to play all of my burned copies.
Thank you for any help
You could simply use your current Hard drive and go back and forth. As long as the elite is not banned there should not be a problem. Just be warned about games installed to the hard drive as they are locked to one console and would have to be reinstalled each time you switch consoles.
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 12 2009, 04:58 PM)
You could simply use your current Hard drive and go back and forth. As long as the elite is not banned there should not be a problem. Just be warned about games installed to the hard drive as they are locked to one console and would have to be reinstalled each time you switch consoles.
No its not banned yet.I am positive its coming.I heard that with this ban they tamper with our HDD's to show up corrupted on other console's.This is my worry and I am not sure what is corrupted.
seems alot of people are unhappy with gettin the ban and refusing to go on live with a modded console again, in my opinion it works out cheaper to buy an xbox flash it play your backups online for 6 months - 12 months get banned - then buy another and do the same for the next year or so, and sell the banned console to an offline/casual gamer? you dont really loose money. and its cheaper than payin £35 quid a game, completing it and getting £7 from game/gamestation a few months later, i think most would agree, so when c4eva releases firmware i will be very grateful for the time and effort he puts into allowing us to do what we do. and wont be complaining if LT gets detected at some point,
Alright guys, one last time:
As of last night, i am not banned.
I have the 54420 error.
Do i:
1) continue to play online, and try to get as much play in as possible befor the ban
2) Stay offline, and eventually turn it on only to see a ban
3) stay offline, and upgrade to LT which will stop me from getting banned?
Seems like a ban is inevitable. Might as well keep playing?
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:28 PM)
Alright guys, one last time:
As of last night, i am not banned.
I have the 54420 error.
Do i:
1) continue to play online, and try to get as much play in as possible befor the ban
2) Stay offline, and eventually turn it on only to see a ban
3) stay offline, and upgrade to LT which will stop me from getting banned?
Seems like a ban is inevitable. Might as well keep playing?
I had the EXACT same as you...saw the 54420 error then reflashed back to stock. Ban came anyway...I'd just get all you can out of it, because it's coming.
QUOTE(Mcegan @ Nov 12 2009, 06:31 PM)
I had the EXACT same as you...saw the 54420 error then reflashed back to stock. Ban came anyway...I'd just get all you can out of it, because it's coming.
I got a liteon with 1.5 so i cant even reflash to stock if i wanted too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
brb gears 2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:28 PM)
Alright guys, one last time:
As of last night, i am not banned.
I have the 54420 error.
Do i:
1) continue to play online, and try to get as much play in as possible befor the ban
2) Stay offline, and eventually turn it on only to see a ban
3) stay offline, and upgrade to LT which will stop me from getting banned?
Seems like a ban is inevitable. Might as well keep playing?
Just keep playing it mate, it will eventually hit. Mine had the 54420 error for the past 3/4 days and i just got hit this evening.
CJ
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 13 2009, 01:28 AM)
Alright guys, one last time:
As of last night, i am not banned.
I have the 54420 error.
Do i:
1) continue to play online, and try to get as much play in as possible before the ban
2) Stay offline, and eventually turn it on only to see a ban
3) stay offline, and upgrade to LT which will stop me from getting banned?
Seems like a ban is inevitable. Might as well keep playing?
take it offline buy new box for your owned games play "backups" on flagged one
myself im gona buy another pre owned 360 from game station i hope this time its not like the one previous i bought for family member which i plugged into my mams tv connected net cord put in my legit waw received ban message unpluged everything took back to shop told them to change im not being punished for the shops error and some one else that modded it ,if i had modded i would of kept but im not paying 100 gbp for someone else s mistake ..
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 13 2009, 01:35 AM)
I got a liteon with 1.5 so i cant even reflash to stock if i wanted too (IMG:
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brb gears 2 (IMG:
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i dont know if it would work and probably would still end up banned but you could spoof a benq with you key and reflash that to stock i doubt it would work but what do you have to lose ..
QUOTE(Syn201 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:37 PM)
take it offline buy new box for your owned games play "backups" on flagged one
myself im gona buy another pre owned 360 from game station i hope this time its not like the one previous i bought for family member which i plugged into my mams tv connected net cord put in my legit waw received ban message unpluged everything took back to shop told them to change im not being punished for the shops error and some one else that modded it ,if i had modded i would of kept but im not paying 100 gbp for someone else s mistake ..
i dont know if it would work and probably would still end up banned but you could spoof a benq with you key and reflash that to stock i doubt it would work but what do you have to lose ..
and did they replace it ?
CJ
Has anyone entertained the fact that perhaps one way they started tracking people with modded consoles is by combing through forums like X-S for people who put up their gamertags in their profile and start monitoring the xbox its attached to? Just food for thought. Not exactly a "conspiracy theory", but maybe something to think about.
QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Nov 13 2009, 01:37 AM)
and did they replace it ?
CJ
Yeah they did.it would be morally wrong and not something I would of done should I of done it or done a GS with another but why should i be punished for something I haven't done and nobody loses they just send back to ms get refurb sent back ..
QUOTE(Cilix @ Nov 13 2009, 01:51 AM)
Has anyone entertained the fact that perhaps one way they started tracking people with modded consoles is by combing through forums like X-S for people who put up their gamertags in their profile and start monitoring the xbox its attached to? Just food for thought. Not exactly a "conspiracy theory", but maybe something to think about.
yeah that would be one reason why i changed my name and removed gt for every site
paranoid maybe who knows it could be any number of thing and short of working for ms nobody really has any answers ..
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[18:56] <+c4eva> work is continuing, there is light at the end of the tunnel (IMG:
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QUOTE(Syn201 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:56 PM)
Yeah they did.it would be morally wrong and not something I would of done should I of done it or done a GS with another but why should i be punished for something I haven't done and nobody loses they just send back to ms get refurb sent back ..
yeah that would be one reason why i changed my name and removed gt for every site
paranoid maybe who knows it could be any number of thing and short of working for ms nobody really has any answers ..
my thoughts exactly.
QUOTE(Cedru @ Nov 12 2009, 06:56 PM)
[18:56] <+c4eva> work is continuing, there is light at the end of the tunnel smile.gif
I would S this mans D if he wanted me to....C4Eva....FOREVA!!!
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[18:56] <+c4eva> work is continuing, there is light at the end of the tunnel
Is this legit chat? I know there's been a lot of fake logs stuff floating around everywhere. Check what someone edited the Live log to on Nov. 11th below:
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[03:14] <+c4eva> man nWo u really want my dick dont u faggot
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This post has been edited by tonybologna: Nov 13 2009, 02:16 AM
QUOTE(tonybologna @ Nov 12 2009, 08:12 PM)
Is this legit chat? I know there's been a lot of fake logs stuff floating around everywhere. Check what someone edited the Live log to on Nov. 11th below:
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Yes... it was legit. He didn't say much other than that though.
QUOTE(Cedru @ Nov 13 2009, 01:06 PM)
Yes... it was legit. He didn't say much other than that though.
in true C4Eva style then i see
Well I can see why he is terse...doesn't want them breaking what he's working on, and I'm sure there's a little bit of fear of his identity getting out. I'm sure theres more than a few top MS execs that would love to have him killed.
QUOTE(Cilix @ Nov 13 2009, 12:51 AM)
Has anyone entertained the fact that perhaps one way they started tracking people with modded consoles is by combing through forums like X-S for people who put up their gamertags in their profile and start monitoring the xbox its attached to? Just food for thought. Not exactly a "conspiracy theory", but maybe something to think about.
that doesn't explain why some people are banned and have never been to a site such as x-s.
QUOTE(gundamhr @ Nov 13 2009, 04:55 AM)
that doesn't explain why some people are banned and have never been to a site such as x-s.
Plus I am sure there are people who come here but have not modded their system.
Any luck for Hitachi people? Or are we being largely ignored for a "safer" firmware update since 1.51 ran Wave 4 games?
QUOTE(gundamhr @ Nov 12 2009, 10:55 PM)
that doesn't explain why some people are banned and have never been to a site such as x-s.
if you had read my whole post, you would have seen that its a suggestion as to one of the factors which probably are many why people are getting banned.
QUOTE(Cilix @ Nov 13 2009, 05:24 AM)
if you had read my whole post, you would have seen that its a suggestion as to one of the factors which probably are many why people are getting banned.
yeah i definitely understand that. but that would mean the process is not automated, which...to ban 1 mil people in a couple days, must be automated unless they really hire over worked indians. LOL. furthermore, as someone else said, not everyone who visits mods their xbox. 1M in a week has to be an automatic process. although i find it interesting that, if there is any truth to the two strikes you're out, then M$ can't be sure the first time around and thus they need a 2nd probe into your system.
When c4eva says it's undetectable, it is true for all firmwares. Microsoft cannot simply just "dump" the FW and do a CRC check on it (for complicated reasons). What M$ (most likely) does is that there is an automated system that detects anomalies (different read speeds, unstealthed backups, etc.) in the drive or something of sorts. Then they do it a second time to confirm. This is just speculation though.
Another one bites the dust. I got banned.
1.6 BenQ
Never played wave4
Latest games played: Prince of Persia, Fifa 10
Last connected to XBL: 1 week ago
It looks like Microsoft quietly caught everyone off guard.
Sooner or later, we all will fall.
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 13 2009, 07:07 AM)
Another one bites the dust. I got banned.
1.6 BenQ
Never played wave4
Latest games played: Prince of Persia, Fifa 10
Last connected to XBL: 1 week ago
It looks like Microsoft quietly caught everyone off guard.
Sooner or later, we all will fall.
Was the drive spoofed? Did you run your discs through ABGX?
Damn brothers xbox banned this evening.
Lite on 1.6. All abgx verified. Played wave 4 MW2.
Got 54420 error Wednesday, ban thursday. Sucks but what can you do.
Buying a new box tomorrow and waiting for lt touch.
QUOTE(tequiller @ Nov 13 2009, 01:10 AM)
Was the drive spoofed? Did you run your discs through ABGX?
Not spoofed. All discs were stealth patched and verified.
I'm telling ya, anyone who connected to xbox live within last week or even 2 weeks ago, is either flagged or banned.
Microsoft got us good, and dirty.
Now I know... Nov to Dec = Ban Tsunami time
anyone who connected to live withing the past 45 days try
QUOTE(pogi1100 @ Nov 13 2009, 03:44 AM)
When c4eva says it's undetectable, it is true for all firmwares. Microsoft cannot simply just "dump" the FW and do a CRC check on it (for complicated reasons). What M$ (most likely) does is that there is an automated system that detects anomalies (different read speeds, unstealthed backups, etc.) in the drive or something of sorts. Then they do it a second time to confirm. This is just speculation though.
Just to add some more speculation... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
CD-RW/DVD-RW drives can read some sectors on the medias that says if it's a (re)writable media. This sectors also include info from the disk factory. If M$ enabled the XBOX to, somehow, read those sectors when a game disc is inserted, doesn't matter if you are using stealth disks or the latest ixtreme firmware, it will identify you are playing a backup.
There's a small app for windows, I think it's CDID or something like that can read those sectors... just google it... If i remember well Nero Burning Rom can also read those sectors.
QUOTE(danzio2020 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:18 AM)
Damn brothers xbox banned this evening.
Lite on 1.6. All abgx verified. Played wave 4 MW2.
Got 54420 error Wednesday, ban thursday. Sucks but what can you do.
Buying a new box tomorrow and waiting for lt touch.
Did you play an original copy? or a backup of MW2?
If I buy a new xbox, I will download media update+8955 dashboard, moded it, and then I will only use in live without any disk in drive is me will rescue from ban?
sorry for bad english. i am from russia.
download media update+8955 dashboard, moded xbox OR moded xbox then download media update+8955 dashboard ?
This post has been edited by Dim7: Nov 13 2009, 02:46 PM
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 13 2009, 07:01 AM)
Just to add some more speculation... (IMG:
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CD-RW/DVD-RW drives can read some sectors on the medias that says if it's a (re)writable media. This sectors also include info from the disk factory. If M$ enabled the XBOX to, somehow, read those sectors when a game disc is inserted, doesn't matter if you are using stealth disks or the latest ixtreme firmware, it will identify you are playing a backup.
There's a small app for windows, I think it's CDID or something like that can read those sectors... just google it... If i remember well Nero Burning Rom can also read those sectors.
Many users have been banned without having ever put a backup disc into their console.
Nothing is safe right now
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 13 2009, 08:43 AM)
Many users have been banned without having ever put a backup disc into their console.
Nothing is safe right now
No offense, but these claims of people being banned without having run a single backup seems absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone go to the length of modding their xbox if they aren't going to use the functionality that the modding enables?
This post has been edited by bussche: Nov 13 2009, 03:01 PM
I've yet to see anywhere that someone played a Wave4 backup or original on a modded 360 with 1.5-1.6 iXtreme without the HD plugged in and no internet connectivity. Does this activity still create a flag that later gets sent to M$??
If so where is it being stored?? We know after pulling the power cord that the system clock will reset, so perhaps if a flag is set within the console, without the HD or internet connected, would pulling the power cord reset it?
Pretty sad that M$ is spending more time in security on their fucking 360, yet anyone can install Windows 7 the newest operating system and have it activated with no problems..
QUOTE(FUKMSIPIRATE @ Nov 13 2009, 09:04 AM)
I've yet to see anywhere that someone played a Wave4 backup or original on a modded 360 with 1.5-1.6 iXtreme without the HD plugged in and no internet connectivity. Does this activity still create a flag that later gets sent to M$??
If so where is it being stored?? We know after pulling the power cord that the system clock will reset, so perhaps if a flag is set within the console, without the HD or internet connected, would pulling the power cord reset it?
Pretty sad that M$ is spending more time in security on their fucking 360, yet anyone can install Windows 7 the newest operating system and have it activated with no problems..
If the 54420 thing is truely how to tell if you are flagged, then wave 4 has nothing to do with it. I haven't attempted to play a wave 4 game, and get this message on xbox.com.
And I dont see how its 'pretty sad' that ms is banning people for modding 360..windows is a whole different division of microsoft..has absolutely nothing to do with xbox... we all knew damn well that getting banned was a possibility of running a modded 360
I got banned today, Lite-on drive, iExtreme 1.6, never played withhout abgx check, i never played single wawe 3 or wawe 4 game, or even tryed.
Ban came like outof nowhere, my xbox.com status still says under warranty etc.
Not going to buy new xbox...
QUOTE(bussche @ Nov 13 2009, 09:01 AM)
No offense, but these claims of people being banned without having run a single backup seems absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone go to the length of modding their xbox if they aren't going to use the functionality that the modding enables?
I agree with this guy I am currently using IXtreme 1.61 on a BenQ with originals online no ban
played plenty of backups offline as well so i don't believe that bs about offline logging unless you play games before they come out the your hard drive will rat you out to M$
I don't know what c4eva is claiming but all firmwares (except lite-on, we still don't know)
are detectable after the last update, checked by a greek guy via sniffing the communication
between Μ$ and xbox during the dash update.
QUOTE(Dim7 @ Nov 13 2009, 06:35 AM)
If I buy a new xbox, I will download media update+8955 dashboard, moded it, and then I will only use in live without any disk in drive is me will rescue from ban?
sorry for bad english. i am from russia.
download media update+8955 dashboard, moded xbox OR moded xbox then download media update+8955 dashboard ?
Your best bet is just to not mod it right now and wait til the new f/w comes out. If you're just eager to play I would download the updates, unplug the ethernet, mod it, and not plug in that ethernet until this is over with or else you'll probably get banned.
I say mod it but play backups off line they do no record anything offline
but say if you played MW2 5 days before release date then yup your banned once
you sign in to live your hard drive rats you out
QUOTE(bussche @ Nov 13 2009, 08:01 AM)
No offense, but these claims of people being banned without having run a single backup seems absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone go to the length of modding their xbox if they aren't going to use the functionality that the modding enables?
None taken. There are plenty of reasons people might mod their Xbox and then never play a backup.
One person on here bought an Xbox, modded it the same day and while he was waiting for his first ever burnt game to finish downloading/burning he was banned. I have no idea if he was playing an original that came with his box or just playing arcade games but he had never put a backup in and had only been online for an hour or two.
Another person modded their Xbox because when he played the original gears of war the disc kept getting damaged so he got it modded so he could make a copy of GoW 2. He finished the game (retail disc) and then decided he didnt like the multiplayer as much and never did make a copy and play it.
I know that everyone always thinks everyone else is lying but why would they? They are likely as curious as the next person as to why they got banned so why would they throw in this misinformation?
To those of you going on and on about "I'm only playing originals and still going strong", guess what... A buddy of mine was playing nothing but burnt games just fine until yesterday and he was playing alot but out of the 6 people i know with modded Xboxes 4 of us have banned and there has always been at least a few days between bans and in the case of the last one almost a full week.
People dont seem to understand that its not a matter of IF you get banned at this point but WHEN.
QUOTE(hollow_83 @ Nov 13 2009, 04:52 PM)
I don't know what c4eva is claiming but all firmwares (except lite-on, we still don't know)
are detectable after the last update, checked by a greek guy via sniffing the communication
between Μ$ and xbox during the dash update.
Good job c4eva $$$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
This post has been edited by d05register: Nov 13 2009, 04:15 PM
My 2 cents,
Don't get your xbox modded now. This is the worst possible time to even think about getting a Xbox modded. Just wait until the banwave clears and c4eva releases LT.
Also, some people have gotten banned without ever putting a backup disc in. I personally know a few people who recently got it modded, waited for their first backup, and got banned before ever putting that first backup in. This tells us it's definitely the firmware Microsoft can detect.
Finally, the 54420 error does have some sort of relevance to being flagged/banned. My modded xbox got this error, my unmodded xbox error didn't. And I tried both of them several times and the results were the same, so it wasn't the servers. In my opinion, the 54420 error means Microsoft found you, and you're going to get you sooner or later.
As I said before, you might not be banned today or tommorow, but your turn will come. I thought I skipped the banwave as well, lasted it for a week. But yesturday, I got owned with a big "KISS MY A$$" from Microsoft.
QUOTE(bussche @ Nov 13 2009, 09:01 AM)
No offense, but these claims of people being banned without having run a single backup seems absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone go to the length of modding their xbox if they aren't going to use the functionality that the modding enables?
I do fully believe that those claiming to have been banned on a modded console only ever using retail games is false.
But after this ban wave started and since I have access to plenty of brand new unopened 360's I decided to test this theory. I did mod one of these 360 and NEVER inserted a backup game (have no reason to do this since I have modded consoles here and would ruin my testing platform)
It has been a week now and this console is still on Live without issue.
I did this same test with another console but after a day of only using retail games I inserted a backup and the console was banned within a minute. This was one of my own verified retail rips.
Until my test unit with the modded drive and only retail games gets banned I will not believe these claims of people who say they got banned without ever using a backup.
This post has been edited by Ranger72: Nov 13 2009, 04:44 PM
That's a really interesting result. So the backup has been detected and as it's your own backup we can discount it being a game M$ have released to catch modded consoles. The next interesting test would be to do the same but only play the game backup offline and see if it gets banned as well.
Good work.
Oh have you been playing retail games on live on the non banned xbox?
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:44 AM)
I do fully believe that those claiming to have been banned on a modded console only ever using retail games is false.
But after this ban wave started and since I have access to plenty of brand new unopened 360's I decided to test this theory. I did mod one of these 360 and NEVER inserted a backup game (have no reason to do this since I have modded consoles here and would ruin my testing platform)
It has been a week now and this console is still on Live without issue.
I did this same test with another console but after a day of only using retail games I inserted a backup and the console was banned within a minute. This was one of my own verified retail rips.
Until my test unit with the modded drive and only retail games gets banned I will not believe these claims of people who say they got banned without ever using a backup.
You do realize there are still people with modded Xboxes playing backup games to this day that arent banned? So by your logic its not the games or the firmware. Just because you havent been banned yet doesnt mean you wont. There was almost 2 weeks time between when my first friend got banned to this last one that happened yesterday and the one who got banned yesterday plays far more often. In fact my brother who hadnt played in over a month got banned the instant he signed on while those of us who had been playing the whole time kept going.
If I had more money I'd mod my new box and test the theory as well by only playing retail games but nobody would believe me I'm sure. Same as if you come back later and say that you got banned without having played a copied game. The only person you'd be convincing is yourself as everyone else would just think you were lying and played backups.
We are all working toward a common goal so lying is not going to help
QUOTE(reaperz @ Nov 13 2009, 10:43 AM)
My 2 cents,
Don't get your xbox modded now. This is the worst possible time to even think about getting a Xbox modded. Just wait until the banwave clears and c4eva releases LT.
Also, some people have gotten banned without ever putting a backup disc in. I personally know a few people who recently got it modded, waited for their first backup, and got banned before ever putting that first backup in. This tells us it's definitely the firmware Microsoft can detect.
Finally, the 54420 error does have some sort of relevance to being flagged/banned. My modded xbox got this error, my unmodded xbox error didn't. And I tried both of them several times and the results were the same, so it wasn't the servers. In my opinion, the 54420 error means Microsoft found you, and you're going to get you sooner or later.
As I said before, you might not be banned today or tommorow, but your turn will come. I thought I skipped the banwave as well, lasted it for a week. But yesturday, I got owned with a big "KISS MY A$$" from Microsoft.
i call b$ on this one because i'm a prime example i'm on live everyday with originals flashed
BEN Q Ixtreme 1.61 played all backups offline ethernet disconnected
if i buy a preflashed console, and dont connect to live till after the banwave will i be safe? i dont think backups have been playe din it yet
i would not buy a 360 from ebay or any other third party right now
to many banned boxes flying around
QUOTE(Nemesis2007 @ Nov 13 2009, 05:56 PM)
i would not buy a 360 from ebay or any other third party right now
to many banned boxes flying around
someone here
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 04:13 PM)
reallly? wheres his proof? not sayin i dont belive, as I too thought FW could be detected....
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 13 2009, 04:10 PM)
None taken. There are plenty of reasons people might mod their Xbox and then never play a backup.
One person on here bought an Xbox, modded it the same day and while he was waiting for his first ever burnt game to finish downloading/burning he was banned. I have no idea if he was playing an original that came with his box or just playing arcade games but he had never put a backup in and had only been online for an hour or two.
Another person modded their Xbox because when he played the original gears of war the disc kept getting damaged so he got it modded so he could make a copy of GoW 2. He finished the game (retail disc) and then decided he didnt like the multiplayer as much and never did make a copy and play it.
I know that everyone always thinks everyone else is lying but why would they? They are likely as curious as the next person as to why they got banned so why would they throw in this misinformation?
To those of you going on and on about "I'm only playing originals and still going strong", guess what... A buddy of mine was playing nothing but burnt games just fine until yesterday and he was playing alot but out of the 6 people i know with modded Xboxes 4 of us have banned and there has always been at least a few days between bans and in the case of the last one almost a full week.
People dont seem to understand that its not a matter of IF you get banned at this point but WHEN.
exactly. why would people lie? I was benned, never played a backup, flsahed for 3 days, banned. didnt play a backup as i didnt have a burner yet....
QUOTE
I don't know what c4eva is claiming but all firmwares (except lite-on, we still don't know) are detectable after the last update,
Not totally true. Lite-On drives are the ones that c4eva has stated seems to be detectable more than any other. Not that Lite-Ons are less detectable than all the others. You have it backwards here. Just a heads-up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
QUOTE(tonybologna @ Nov 13 2009, 11:19 AM)
Not totally true. Lite-On drives are the ones that c4eva has stated seems to be detectable more than any other. Not that Lite-Ons are less detectable than all the others. You have it backwards here. Just a heads-up. (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I think you misunderstood him. He wasnt saying c4eva had said they are detectable, it was some greek guy who sniffed out the communication and in his tests he wasnt able to determine if the Lite-Ons were. 2 different sources of research
QUOTE(bussche @ Nov 13 2009, 09:01 AM)
No offense, but these claims of people being banned without having run a single backup seems absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone go to the length of modding their xbox if they aren't going to use the functionality that the modding enables?
How about the 10 poor customers I have that have banned xboxes now just because I had to replace the dvd drive, and as you know, Hitachis are th eonly ones with stock firmware to use, so flashing them with Ixtreme is just a side effect.
These people didnt know, and sure as hell didnt play any backup games. I also did not test them with a backup because I was only flashing to replace so I used retail disc to check to make sure the key was right.
Ive done many xboxes/360s so Its a consistent thing I do. so its not me doing it wrong and blah blippity blah.
These people played only retail games, a back up never touched them.
l4d2 is wave 5, conatains system update
QUOTE(tonybologna @ Nov 13 2009, 07:19 PM)
Not totally true. Lite-On drives are the ones that c4eva has stated seems to be detectable more than any other. Not that Lite-Ons are less detectable than all the others. You have it backwards here. Just a heads-up. (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
He sniffed the communication of an xbox with Samsung MS28 and saw the WHOLE fw in front of him. Compared the sniffed packets with the fw he had flashed and BINGO
Everyone can do the test... No encryption... How more detectable can a LiteOn be if MS can read the WHOLE fw???
c4eva bs... what is his salary ??? $$$$$$
This post has been edited by d05register: Nov 13 2009, 06:52 PM
Source of this "greek" information?
http://www.360-gr.com/forum-f6/topic-t4195-320.htm#146169
It's greek so you can't understand... It's not a technical forum also. I didn't ever bother to do a similar test because I thought communication is encrypted
I can't repeat the test with Samsung because I have LiteOn so I asked him to send me the sniffed packets in order to compare myself. I can repeat the test with the Liteon of course...
He says also that he e-mailed c4eva... Waste of effort for me... I can't believe the "analyzing live logs" c4eva couldn't see what a high school boy can... What is his salary? $$$$
This post has been edited by d05register: Nov 13 2009, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 07:51 PM)
He sniffed the communication of an xbox with Samsung MS28 and saw the WHOLE fw in front of him. Compared the sniffed packets with the fw he had flashed and BINGO
Everyone can do the test... No encryption... How more detectable can a LiteOn be if MS can read the WHOLE fw???
c4eva bs... what is his salary ??? $$$$$$
Where do idiots like you come from? How long has c4e been making fw's for the 360? How long have people been using said fw's to play their 'copies' without detection? If whatever method they're using to detect has been implemented since way back when, would they seriously wait so long to ban consoles only to see a substantial loss of revenue on games sales in the meantime?! Be it warez or a self-made backup, either way has resulted in a LOT of people not giving extra money to M$.
Does that really seem like the work of someone on their payroll?
What I find funny is those claiming to have a flashed system, but never played a backup on it. If this is the case, why flash the system, but more importantly, how do you test your flash without ever putting a backup in it? You can dump the CFW to see if it reports as iXtreme, but I can't imagine anyone would ever flash a system without putting at least one original and backup in it to ensure that it worked...
Just a thought...
WAVE 5 = Instant ban if you apply the update from game disk? (if dvd modded) Any limited funcionality applied to the 360 Dash? (no more HD installs/save games and profile corruption)
Humm, anyone knows these things...
NOTE: I don´t not use Live...
This post has been edited by ka-b00m: Nov 13 2009, 08:06 PM
QUOTE(desta @ Nov 13 2009, 08:51 PM)
Does that really seem like the work of someone on their payroll?
There are two possibilities...
1) He is on their payroll (if not from the beginning, at some point later, (conspiracy theories etc. etc.)) OR
2) He is a great asshole ("fw is undetectable", "new ixtreme LT", "no more bans" etc. etc.. bs)
Choose your favourite option...
EDIT: Also I am not sure if piracy hurts MS (at least at the beginning). If piracy helped MS to increase console selling from 10 to 20M I think it's OK
This post has been edited by d05register: Nov 13 2009, 08:14 PM
Option two for you.
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 08:08 PM)
There are two possibilities...
1) He is on their payroll (if not from the beginning, at some point later, (conspiracy theories etc. etc.)) OR
2) He is a great asshole ("fw is undetectable", "new ixtreme LT", "no more bans" etc. etc.. bs)
Choose your favourite option...
C4EVA only does it because he can...
and we just came here and talk sh**... and get real dumb most of the times...
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 06:39 PM)
What is his salary? $$$$
What is your salary, MS shill?
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 08:08 PM)
There are two possibilities...
1) He is on their payroll (if not from the beginning, at some point later, (conspiracy theories etc. etc.)) OR
2) He is a great asshole ("fw is undetectable", "new ixtreme LT", "no more bans" etc. etc.. bs)
Choose your favourite option...
EDIT: Also I am not sure if piracy hurts MS (at least at the beginning). If piracy helped MS to increase console selling from 10 to 20M I think it's OK
or option 3: we're all human, we all fcuk up, ie. M$ fckued up by leaving holes, C4eva found those holes, and then M$ found out that we found out about those holes.
you sound like you're a little butthurt. truthfully, i am VERY butthurt because i just bought my elite last month and i went on live maybe twice. but i bought my elite brand new for $180, and i'm gonna go buy an arcade for $200 - $100 GC from walmart. who cares if they are doing this to boost their own sales? they have a right to do so and yes my hard drive is essentially a brick now, but atleast i still have ixtreme to do what it does best.
did we all think we would all go on forever unbanned? i missed the last couple ban waves and was very greatful, but i'm not surprised that this day came.
so...to summarize, if you're not jumping ship for a ps3, and not ticked at M$ for the rest of your life, then go grab an arcade from walmart right now. in fact, don't even open it, just sit on it until things get sorted out.
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 05:51 PM)
He sniffed the communication of an xbox with Samsung MS28 and saw the WHOLE fw in front of him. Compared the sniffed packets with the fw he had flashed and BINGO
Everyone can do the test... No encryption... How more detectable can a LiteOn be if MS can read the WHOLE fw???
c4eva bs... what is his salary ??? $$$$$$
lol, cant read greek but I've got to call BS on this one anyway. Yeah, microsoft are gonna go to all the trouble of making the new firmware more difficult to dump, then extract it themselves and put it on an unencrypted link...
QUOTE(boolee @ Nov 13 2009, 03:01 PM)
Just to add some more speculation...
CD-RW/DVD-RW drives can read some sectors on the medias that says if it's a (re)writable media. This sectors also include info from the disk factory. If M$ enabled the XBOX to, somehow, read those sectors when a game disc is inserted, doesn't matter if you are using stealth disks or the latest ixtreme firmware, it will identify you are playing a backup.
There's a small app for windows, I think it's CDID or something like that can read those sectors... just google it... If i remember well Nero Burning Rom can also read those sectors.
Along with image burn. It tells you what media you have inserted before you burn onto it. For example
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01 <----------"ritek media"
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 09:08 PM)
There are two possibilities...
1) He is on their payroll (if not from the beginning, at some point later, (conspiracy theories etc. etc.)) OR
2) He is a great asshole ("fw is undetectable", "new ixtreme LT", "no more bans" etc. etc.. bs)
Choose your favourite option...
EDIT: Also I am not sure if piracy hurts MS (at least at the beginning). If piracy helped MS to increase console selling from 10 to 20M I think it's OK
Number 2 for you m8. You are one dumbass Idiot looking at your posts above. 
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Nov 13 2009, 09:05 PM)
WAVE 5 = Instant ban if you apply the update from game disk? (if dvd modded) Any limited funcionality applied to the 360 Dash? (no more HD installs/save games and profile corruption)
Humm, anyone knows these things...
NOTE: I don´t not use Live...
wtf? wave 5? speculation or facts?
yes left for dead 2 is wave 5.
we need this released quick!
im just glad ive had the opportunity to play SEVERAL games i would have never been able to play and i give the guy MAJOR props .
QUOTE(Cain @ Nov 13 2009, 09:32 PM)
lol, cant read greek but I've got to call BS on this one anyway. Yeah, microsoft are gonna go to all the trouble of making the new firmware more difficult to dump, then extract it themselves and put it on an unencrypted link...
I agree with you... My question was ironic. I said that SAMSUNG fw is going unencrypted on a link, and someone above wrote "c4eva says LiteOn fw is easier to be detected" and I ask ironically "How more detectable can a LiteOn be if MS can read the WHOLE fw (from the other drives)???"
No surprise for me... One of the well known BS of c4eva....
You got my point. I am not going to talk anymore. DO THE TEST FOR YOURSELF... It's just packet sniffing...
Connect the xbox with the PC, PC with the rooter and sniff the bridged connection...
If MS is able to read the entire firmware as implied there then there is nothing that can be done. However since c4eva has a firmware coming out that prevents these bannings it must mean they arent able to read the firmware.
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 13 2009, 10:20 PM)
If MS is able to read the entire firmware as implied there then there is nothing that can be done. However since c4eva has a firmware coming out that prevents these bannings it must mean they arent able to read the firmware.
Which mean if they cant read the firmware...microsfot will ban
I'm guessing they can read it but it sends back "factory orginal firmware"
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Nov 13 2009, 09:05 PM)
WAVE 5 = Instant ban
where did u get that from?
QUOTE(hollow_83 @ Nov 13 2009, 03:52 PM)
I don't know what c4eva is claiming but all firmwares (except lite-on, we still don't know)
are detectable after the last update, checked by a greek guy via sniffing the communication
between Μ$ and xbox during the dash update.
Again, I have mentioned in this forum earlier that the post implies and I am certain the fw was readable and then was flamed, funny how someone can dis one post as "stupid" only to find no logic behind "oh it is not detectable" or reading too much into it when they base their argument on no facts but purely what they have read and blindly believe it.
I am happily still offline on my xbox and won't be connecting to keep my console from being banned, considering my main use for it is as a media center to play movies.
My Sammy drive Xbox hasn't been on Live in probably 7-10 months anyway. If I wait till the next fw comes out, should I be ok, or do you guys think M$ already knows and the banhammer will still come down on me??
QUOTE(saintirish @ Nov 13 2009, 09:57 PM)
My Sammy drive Xbox hasn't been on Live in probably 7-10 months anyway. If I wait till the next fw comes out, should I be ok, or do you guys think M$ already knows and the banhammer will still come down on me??
no one can really answer that, its like saying will the world really end on 2012, no one knows.
the bans are coming so randomly that theres no concrete answer
i have been online this entire time (dont care about the ban)
and i havent been banned
i cant see how I wouldnt have been flagged by now.
so no one knows only time will tell
QUOTE(f575gtc @ Nov 13 2009, 01:05 PM)
i have been online this entire time (dont care about the ban)
and i havent been banned
i cant see how I wouldnt have been flagged by now.
so no one knows only time will tell
Same here, do you get the 54420 error?
QUOTE(f575gtc @ Nov 13 2009, 03:05 PM)
no one can really answer that, its like saying will the world really end on 2012, no one knows.
the bans are coming so randomly that theres no concrete answer
i have been online this entire time (dont care about the ban)
and i havent been banned
i cant see how I wouldnt have been flagged by now.
so no one knows only time will tell
Its funny because lots of people have posted in here that they are only using retail discs now and think they are safe and when others who have been doing the same thing post that they have banned nobody beleives that they only played retail games. As the 2 posters above show... it doesnt matter if its retail discs or not. You are just lucky so far.
QUOTE(swilso @ Nov 13 2009, 03:56 PM)
Again, I have mentioned in this forum earlier that the post implies and I am certain the fw was readable and then was flamed, funny how someone can dis one post as "stupid" only to find no logic behind "oh it is not detectable" or reading too much into it when they base their argument on no facts but purely what they have read and blindly believe it.
I am happily still offline on my xbox and won't be connecting to keep my console from being banned, considering my main use for it is as a media center to play movies.
The firmware is NOT readable, SATA does not work that way.
The firmware is however, detectable. (assuming what most people already take to be true, of people getting banned with good backups)
The difference being if the firmware is detectable, you can patch it to be undetectable. And readable meaning, if you have anything non-stock on it, they will know.
Please learn the difference between these words.
Sorry if someone has already posted this, but what is this about?? un-banning??
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2009111...enwithunbanhack
What a terrible article.
QUOTE(mikaru @ Nov 13 2009, 06:04 PM)
Sorry if someone has already posted this, but what is this about?? un-banning??
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2009111...enwithunbanhack
What a terrible title is more like it. Nothing in the article (or anywhere else for that matter) has suggested the possibility of un-banning.
Still a bad article if you ignore the misleading title.
QUOTE(tarektaha @ Nov 13 2009, 08:31 PM)
where did u get that from?
Left 4 Dead 2 looks like it's Wave 5.
QUOTE(WBones @ Nov 13 2009, 12:23 PM)
I think you misunderstood him. He wasnt saying c4eva had said they are detectable, it was some greek guy who sniffed out the communication and in his tests he wasnt able to determine if the Lite-Ons were. 2 different sources of research
OK I see now! No problem! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
[c4eva] new fw in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch) - more efficient , minimal patching , all aspects of fw indistinguisable from orig, no more bans, No ETA
So is he saying that if we use the new firmware there is no way we can get banned?
Need to be careful some people might take this as a guarantee that they can never be banned and then bitch when m$ finds away around this firmware just like they did the last.
C$eva might want to stop making the claim that we cant get banned with his firmware. Because no matter how many fixes he makes it will happen again.
Dont get me wrong I think c4eva is doing a great job. I just think he needs to watch what he says because some people might take it as fact.
I think he deserves the right to say w/e he wants, imo.
QUOTE(Takashi @ Nov 13 2009, 06:02 PM)
I think he deserves the right to say w/e he wants, imo.
AMEN! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
This thread has got really amusing, its amazing how much people can interpret one line of text and how it can be twisted and turned to mean several totally different meanings. At the end of the day microsoft will always be determined to stop piracy no matter what, once new firmware comes out they will be doing there best to crack it and find flaws in it so they can start detecting people again, and the ban cycle begins again.
I personally think C4Eva is doing a cracking job and is the only name i have heard of for firmware, so i think people should shut up and quit whining about what he is doing, if you dont like it then dont mod your console buy your games and never live in fear of a ban again.
Whilst C4E might be making some bold claims about no bans you have to go along with what he says if you want to continue modding your console, or if you think your smart enough then develop your own firmware.
As its been said before i think people need to chill out and wait........patience is a virtue and if you cant wait get an unmodded console until this wave blows over and the guys in the know try to do what they do best and make firmware.
Just my opinion so no need for the total abusive posts which are likely to follw
QUOTE(pitkin03 @ Nov 13 2009, 05:05 PM)
This thread has got really amusing, its amazing how much people can interpret one line of text and how it can be twisted and turned to mean several totally different meanings.
FOX NEWS, lol.
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 13 2009, 11:16 PM)
FOX NEWS, lol.
LMAO never thought of that, maybe the thread should be renamed "FOX NEWS UPDATE"
So with the rumored 1 million Xboxes banned, I figure about 500 thousand to 600 thousand of those people will buy a new Xbox by the end of the year. $250 x 500,000 = $125,000,000. Time to buy stock in M$.
QUOTE(Takashi @ Nov 14 2009, 12:02 AM)
I think he deserves the right to say w/e he wants, imo.
Exactly! People should be grateful for all the shit they get for free, instead of bitching about "false claims". Do the fucking work yourself if you're not satisfied!
I <3 C4E!
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 13 2009, 06:16 PM)
FOX NEWS, lol.
ROFL! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)
QUOTE(Biaz @ Nov 13 2009, 03:27 PM)
Exactly! People should be grateful for all the shit they get for free, instead of bitching about "false claims". Do the fucking work yourself if you're not satisfied!
I <3 C4E!
Oh, I am more than grateful. I am just saying that there will never be a way to play Xbox games on live with a modded Xbox that is 100% risk free. I think we are lucky to have gone on as long as we have and that in the end M$ will win.
To all the C4E haters, why dont u all go get a nice cup of STFU
If you think you can do a better job, go right a head...
Flashing is always a risk, and we are all individually responsible for making that choice. Besides, all of C4E's work has been free to the community, really dont see how you fuckers have any grounds for complaints.
so now we can 95% confirm microdollars can detect the dvd roms firmware, Am I right in saying ABGX is no longer needed for?
no longer needed for when ixtreme LT comes along...
QUOTE(directx10.1 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:44 PM)
The firmware is NOT readable, SATA does not work that way.
The firmware is however, detectable. (assuming what most people already take to be true, of people getting banned with good backups)
The difference being if the firmware is detectable, you can patch it to be undetectable. And readable meaning, if you have anything non-stock on it, they will know.
Please learn the difference between these words.
very true in my opinion and, i think this is what c4 means obviously he knows way more than any of us
QUOTE(koski316 @ Nov 14 2009, 12:34 AM)
so now we can 95% confirm microdollars can detect the dvd roms firmware, Am I right in saying ABGX is no longer needed for?
no longer needed for when ixtreme LT comes along...
speculation yet again....read this thread, then when you have read it read it again....
QUOTE(pitkin03 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:02 AM)
speculation yet again....read this thread, then when you have read it read it again....
I read this post from page one son, and last time i checked 95% wasnt 100%.
I'm going on what C4EVA said in his 3 liner he posted. "No bans ever" and the evidence of folk getting banned having flashed and never playing a backup online. Meaning possibility of no backup disc or bad burn't images involvled.
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is coming along nicely, it has been a GREAT day! hang in there!
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT does not care about waves, as per orig fw (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
<+c4eva> LT will assume disk has correct stealth!
<LinkK> MS will be able to detect LT also
<+c4eva> linnk:no!
<+c4eva> behaviour of ixtreme is detectable on backups!
<+c4eva> xtreme wont help!
<+c4eva> i cant say any more for obvious reasons! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Does this mean that the stealth checks that the Ixtreme fw does are how MS detected the firmware? By removing that stealth check you're removing the one thing that Ixtreme does differently to original firmware.
This would mean the safety feature built into IX was the very thing that caused its downfall.
Would also explain the "lite" name if the stealth checks are removed. The responsibility for making sure your rip is good is down to the user.
This post has been edited by stern: Nov 14 2009, 02:33 AM
QUOTE(stern @ Nov 14 2009, 03:26 AM)
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is coming along nicely, it has been a GREAT day! hang in there!
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT does not care about waves, as per orig fw
<+c4eva> LT will assume disk has correct stealth!
<LinkK> MS will be able to detect LT also
<+c4eva> linnk:no!
<+c4eva> behaviour of ixtreme is detectable on backups!
<+c4eva> xtreme wont help!
<+c4eva> i cant say any more for obvious reasons!
Does this mean that the stealth checks that the Ixtreme fw does are how MS detected the firmware? By removing that stealth check you're removing the one thing that Ixtreme does differently to original firmware.
This would mean the safety feature built into IX was the very thing that caused its downfall.
Would also explain the "lite" name if the stealth checks are removed. The responsibility for making sure your rip is good is down to the user.
where'd you get this from?
#fw on EFNet
But yeah, seems like the stealth checks are what caused bans. Ironic really!
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 14 2009, 03:42 AM)
#fw on EFNet
But yeah, seems like the stealth checks are what caused bans. Ironic really! (IMG:
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Cant log in there keeps saying illegal name
yehh lol ahh well roll on LT 2 mynew xbox FU Microshite
Well that great news from c4eva ..but what is everyone doing out there..
Are we continuing to play offline back ups..Will we get banned if we log into live with LT asuming we havent been flagged yet?
BTW how do we check if were flagged...
i cant not play my xbox at all..???/.
QUOTE(MickeYd420 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:58 AM)
Well that great news from c4eva ..but what is everyone doing out there..
Are we continuing to play offline back ups..Will we get banned if we log into live with LT asuming we havent been flagged yet?
BTW how do we check if were flagged...
i cant not play my xbox at all..???/.
create a new account before logging into live so offline data isnt sent?
doubt that will work, your console id/ cpu key or mac address will prob be stored by microsoft so having a new account will not make any difference
yea its maxed out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
QUOTE(stern @ Nov 13 2009, 08:26 PM)
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is coming along nicely, it has been a GREAT day! hang in there!
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT does not care about waves, as per orig fw
<+c4eva> LT will assume disk has correct stealth!
<LinkK> MS will be able to detect LT also
<+c4eva> linnk:no!
<+c4eva> behaviour of ixtreme is detectable on backups!
<+c4eva> xtreme wont help!
<+c4eva> i cant say any more for obvious reasons!
Does this mean that the stealth checks that the Ixtreme fw does are how MS detected the firmware? By removing that stealth check you're removing the one thing that Ixtreme does differently to original firmware.
This would mean the safety feature built into IX was the very thing that caused its downfall.
Would also explain the "lite" name if the stealth checks are removed. The responsibility for making sure your rip is good is down to the user.
this is really good news to hear, and especially that there will be no more wave checks... all we have to do to help the firmware is to check our games more responsibly and make sure they are good in stealth form and we should be good .... iam really happy to hear that the firmware is in such good shape and looks so much like the original Fw.... this would mean that we should have a whole 1 year ahead of us that's good until next November, xbox 360 doomsday 2010.... until then,
QUOTE(ste030 @ Nov 14 2009, 04:03 AM)
doubt that will work, your console id/ cpu key or mac address will prob be stored by microsoft so having a new account will not make any difference
yeh but it would help in not sending any recent offline gameplay
say if i made 2 backups of my xbox game, would I have to run the backed up file twice thru ABGX if I was going to burn my copy twice for each occasion I burnt it. Its because my children are silly with my games. i dont wantr them touching my original discs
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT is coming along nicely, it has been a GREAT day! hang in there!
<+c4eva> ixtreme LT does not care about waves, as per orig fw smile.gif
<+c4eva> LT will assume disk has correct stealth!
<LinkK> MS will be able to detect LT also
<+c4eva> linnk:no!
<+c4eva> behaviour of ixtreme is detectable on backups!
<+c4eva> xtreme wont help!
<+c4eva> i cant say any more for obvious reasons! smile.gif
First WELL done and awesome work C4
So maybe we can expect more info today or something?
This iXtreme LT is sounding very much like iXtreme version 1.4 Non-Stealth - the very firmware that I am running on Xbox Live RIGHT NOW with no ban yet. It does indeed seem that the stealth checks are what did most users in.
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 14 2009, 03:42 AM)
#fw on EFNet
But yeah, seems like the stealth checks are what caused bans. Ironic really!
I'm not entirely sure that's what c4e is saying. Obviously I could be wrong though.
This FW sounds fantastic - trouble is, many of us are 'flagged' and don't know what will happen. I know I am flagged but have kept off live and haven't put a disc in the drive for nearly 3 weeks now, so haven't done the 'disc check'. If I use this new LT FW, and it reports back that it's original FW, there's a chance my flag may disappear? Who knows?
QUOTE(jimmywalker @ Nov 14 2009, 03:44 AM)
This FW sounds fantastic - trouble is, many of us are 'flagged' and don't know what will happen. I know I am flagged but have kept off live and haven't put a disc in the drive for nearly 3 weeks now, so haven't done the 'disc check'. If I use this new LT FW, and it reports back that it's original FW, there's a chance my flag may disappear? Who knows?
Not worked for many people who flashed bk 2 orig fw so doubt it.... wud be good cz my 2 consoles would be saved
I just got banned today. Dont know how long I've been flagged if at all. Played a wave 4 game for the first time using Lite-On 1.6 and activate disc offline on a fake profile. As soon as I tried to connect to Live using my real profile, BANNED. I think if I hadnt tried that wave 4 game, I would have bought myself some more time, but oh well. I knew the risk. I'll just go buy a different one from a pawn shop or something and wait for the new firmware. Tomorrow I'm calling to cancel my gold membership.
I know this is off topic, but I think it's about time some one creates a non-XBL network so all those who are banned can play on a non-M$ network and tell them to fuck off with their ban waves. When you got 20 million 360's worldwide, why the fuck worry about some niche group that plays with backups or pirated games..
stop charging $50-70 for a god damn game and maybe not so many of us would make backups.. and don't give this shit that the game developers need to get paid... they get paid well in advance for their coding skills. I'm willing to bet that CODMW2 was funded by the DOD. With the trillions they claim they can't account for I'm sure most of these war game simulator game design shops have gotten some of that money...
QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:54 AM)
just because some rips aren't in the database doesn't mean it's bad.
it's obvious MS has been detecting the firmware, and even more obvious now that ix LT is getting released.
thats not what he's saying dude, do you think he'd be that much of a noobcake to confuse, "not verifying with DB" versus "not passing all the valid checks" (AKA Lvl 1 verification), regardless of if there is an entry for that personal rip online?
cmon.. these are two different things and most people don't understand this. A ripped game should RARELY match online SS info!!! Its not supposed to, because the ABGX online DB is for Scene releases.. NOT for your own backups which could be very diff from the ones the scene decides to put out there. Mind you, I'm saying, the FUNCTIONALITY of the ONLINE DB.. not the software itself.
LOADS of people (i mean come on, just look at the irc channel for ABGX) don't really understand what they are getting themselves into when they decided to mod or even worse let someone else mod for them.. and therefore this goes to show you a lot of people earn their bans, regardless of firmware detection.
Another thing, i'm pretty sure the firmware WAS undetectable.. for a while untill updates from MS made it detectable.. so there is nothing wrong with C4EVA's statement, or if you want to flip it around, his statement is wrong.. its just ambigious..
QUOTE(ImRickJamesB1tch @ Nov 10 2009, 01:59 AM)
I thought iXtreme was always like that? That it was a replica of the original barring a few small changes?
Looks like it was iXtreme that was causing the bans. If it was due to bad rips, there is nothing the firmware can do to stop it, meaning iXtreme LT wouldn't make a difference.
ughhh :X
man, what he is saying BEFORE.. (think about pre-lite on) all xboxs had diff drives which were all improvements on their predecessing generation's dvd readers. When iExtreme came out, they knew that MS could not ritefully read the firmware and therefore catch you redhanded with a modded drive.. BUT they knew they could possibly detect modded discs.. and so, ABGX was born, now.... we skip forward a year to 08' or so and we have a new xbox, with a new drive, made specifically to be able to read whats in the firmware.. and after many attempts to catch modders before by releasing WAVE security updates, the guys who make the firmware keep updating their firmware to make it as safe as possible in order to prevent it being fully detectable.. BUT now.. we see MS has finally found a way to detect the firmware, using something they had never done before.. so what do the hackers do? make NEW firmware, to patch up the newly found detection method MS has.. This is the way it ALWAYS work here. iExtreme WILL make a difference, just like 1.5+ made a diff from 1.3 and 1.4.. ok? The irony of this all is that according to what C4EVA has told us, its the stealth checks of the latest firmwares which have caused the bans.. meaning that the latest one will not have any protection and require the user to assume all responsability in checking their backups. This means it will behave just like original firmware.. and report just like original firmware. Which is what we want!! and that should cover us from bans.. at least on the firmware side.. now this is where all the ABGX users who don't know what they are doing will fail.. and be banned again.
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Nov 10 2009, 03:36 AM)
as always C4eva we are grateful for anything we receive . banned or not , without your free firmware over the years none of us would of been able to enjoy the modding community worldwide !
thank you
You sir are a true community gentleman! ARRR MATEE!!!!
And a ditto to that amazing post.
QUOTE(d05register @ Nov 13 2009, 03:17 PM)
I agree with you... My question was ironic. I said that SAMSUNG fw is going unencrypted on a link, and someone above wrote "c4eva says LiteOn fw is easier to be detected" and I ask ironically "How more detectable can a LiteOn be if MS can read the WHOLE fw (from the other drives)???"
No surprise for me... One of the well known BS of c4eva....
You got my point. I am not going to talk anymore. DO THE TEST FOR YOURSELF... It's just packet sniffing...
Connect the xbox with the PC, PC with the rooter and sniff the bridged connection...
Man some people seriously surprise me. He says that stating a FACT because the Lite-On drive was introduced in order to be able to have the firmware read man. MS put it in, just like all other drive revisions to prevent modification.. and the Lite-On was MADE to be able to dump FW and detect it on the go, but Hackers, persistant as they are, have always found a way around it... so before you go jump on someone calling BS.. educate a bit, chillout and type www.google.com
Just got banned today. I have not played ANY WAVE 4 games at all. And did not touch my xbox for almost 2weeks. All my rips are ABGX checked and all certified (didnt play a game that did not pass 100%). Turned my box on today and got the banned message.
Oh well so much for stealth and being careful. I'll just sell this and get a new one that I'll never mod. Theres not sure thing anymore in this world (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
when i get my preflashed console, should i stay offline till this fw comes out?
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 14 2009, 12:55 AM)
when i get my preflashed console, should i stay offline till this fw comes out?
YES!
No questions asked. Don't go online, don't play WAVE4 games yet..
as for the other guy from 2 posts above:
cmon.. have you read through all of this thread at all?
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 14 2009, 12:55 AM)
when i get my preflashed console, should i stay offline till this fw comes out?
yes....
ok , now with the 1 million 360's that got banned, what firmware are you guys gonna put on them. The first hacked firmware, we no longer have to worry about ss/dmi and all the wave stuff, can you recommend a good early one that you are using. Or are you gonna continue to update your banned 360's with NEWEST firmware?
I guess hacked firmware that safes the DVD's wear and tear, it is a FREEDOM in a way, don't have to worry about abgx and checking here every few days about some scare that MS is threatening.
I just hope someone can figure out how to make "portable live servers" so I can play my LIVE games with people in same area with me.
QUOTE(jldinnell @ Nov 13 2009, 05:27 PM)
So with the rumored 1 million Xboxes banned, I figure about 500 thousand to 600 thousand of those people will buy a new Xbox by the end of the year. $250 x 500,000 = $125,000,000. Time to buy stock in M$.
That might be true... except for the fact that microsoft loses money on each console they sell. Thats how the video game industry works (except for the Wii). You lose money on the console but make it back in games. Its true many people will be buying new Xboxes but half the people I know are switching to PS3. They figure if they are going to have pay for the games anyway they might as well get free online play and a blu-ray player on top of it. The other half are waiting for the new LT firmware so they still dont have to buy games. No games being sold = no money in microsofts pockets.
If I were MS and was able to detect backed up discs I would simply make those discs not work in the console. That way you dont have to lose money on another console and the person would be much more willing to buy a game than a new console
independent live servers would be the answer. then you wouldnt have to worry about M$ detecting the fw because you wouldnt be forced into using their service.
So can anyone confirm that the 54420 error has something to do with this banwave (Flagged Console?)? I initially checked on the Canada Xbox site and always thought that I was safe until I went and checked the US site. There it is, errorcode 54420 "This service is temporarily unavailable. Please try back again later.". Could it be that due to the banwave, the whole xbox communicaty has gone chaotic possibly stopping the repair service until things calms down?. Or Maybe I just can't face the truth that I am flagged.
I do like the idea of private "Live" servers. I am studying Computer Engineering and have programming background [.net(C#, VB, C++), Codewarior(Programming microcontrollers using C), VHDL, and others]. I could be of use (or not). Sounds like I'm applying for a job, but I would like to contribute to this community.
What might be required to start this project? I could assist in the project, but am not capable of leading it. Could an architecture such as XLink Kai be effective? Or even writting our own firmware/updates to the NAND chip to enable us to connect to this ideal server(such as the Jtag60 project to run linux).
i agree on the independent network... it would be dope if there was a way to do it where people couldnt mod unless everyone had the mod or something... that was one of the problems with xlink... it was fun as hell on the first xbox, and cool when they came out with the discs with modded boards, weapon types, ect and everybody could burn and play the disc... BUT when youre playing slayer and some dude is flying around the board shooting exploding heat-seeking plasma granades out of an smg... thats just a pain in the ass...
so what ever happened to xlink? why did that fall apart for the 360 and how come noone picked up on the idea and improved it or something?
not that i could because i'm not a programmer, but it would definitely be a cool thing to explore
guys this is quite mad, just watchin the news, it said, 'microsoft have taken action against modders and have banned 600,000 users from live, then it said but they are in the process of making a new stealth to stop detection, thats weird seeing it on the news and the fact they no straight away that a new firmware is being made, jesus christ some modders dont even know theres new firmware being made, now we know why c4 doesnt release details on the new firmware and wats changed in it, just hope c 4 wins this war with microtwats, i know this isnt really something we allready know but i didnt think id see it on the news, just shows that they are going ape shit
its also weird hearing a news reporter say stealth for some reason
This post has been edited by morgan241985: Nov 14 2009, 08:32 AM
what i dont understand is that if its the stealth checks that caused it then why cant we just use the old non stealth firmware wouldnt this be the same or not just wondering, im with c4 no matter wat,
for anyone that is interested I just found out that even tho the ban corrupts ur profile and gamesaves once u recover ur gamertag ur gamesaves should be ok to unlock achievements even tho the gamesaves says its from a corrupted profile so no need to delete them in case anyone was wondering, again ACHIEVEMENTS STILL UNLOCK even tho ur gamesaves says they came from a corrupted profile. Any game that you have played on ur banned console after being banned new game or from ur gamesaves will become fully corrupted as mention in previous post on here and articles u have read.
is there any way to resign the profile ?? somebody mentioned resigning the gamesaves to the new console but can this be done for profiles as well ???
Guys the problem is not on the stealth checks.
The problem is that at the end of the dash update (the wpa2 update)
the xbox sends the firmware back to Μ$ for verification.
Simple as that, no more no less.
QUOTE(hollow_83 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:52 AM)
Guys the problem is not on the stealth checks.
The problem is that at the end of the dash update (the wpa2 update)
the xbox sends the firmware back to Μ$ for verification.
Simple as that, no more no less.
Your source?
I have a benq running 1.6 but only have a silver account, I use my xbox mainly as a media server to watch divx movies.
I need to sign on to my profile to watch (although I have downloaded the media addon).
If I was to get a ban could I still use my xbox as a media centre or would I not even be able to log on to do that?
QUOTE(PeeWee09 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:31 PM)
I have a benq running 1.6 but only have a silver account, I use my xbox mainly as a media server to watch divx movies.
I need to sign on to my profile to watch (although I have downloaded the media addon).
If I was to get a ban could I still use my xbox as a media centre or would I not even be able to log on to do that?
yeah just not threw media center
that's the media center in your 360 sorry you have to add everything to media player in windows then go to whatever folder want in dash or use something like tviverst or however that spelt
This post has been edited by Syn201: Nov 14 2009, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(PacinoAllstars @ Nov 14 2009, 12:51 PM)
Your source?
his source is that since the bans everyone here is an expert on everything, they know how people get banned, they know how to safely check if your console is banned, they know the modding scene is over...
funny how all their knowhow is incorrect
Can c4eva release some early source firmware(ie pre ixtreme) for us little coders to chew on pls!
QUOTE(Syn201 @ Nov 14 2009, 12:34 PM)
yeah just not threw media center
that's the media center in your 360 sorry you have to add everything to media player in windows then go to whatever folder want in dash or use something like tviverst or however that spelt
Sorry I should of said I use tversity, although I still have to sign in to play divx media, will I be able to?
QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:15 AM)
guys this is quite mad, just watchin the news, it said, 'microsoft have taken action against modders and have banned 600,000 users from live, then it said but they are in the process of making a new stealth to stop detection, thats weird seeing it on the news and the fact they no straight away that a new firmware is being made, jesus christ some modders dont even know theres new firmware being made, now we know why c4 doesnt release details on the new firmware and wats changed in it, just hope c 4 wins this war with microtwats, i know this isnt really something we allready know but i didnt think id see it on the news, just shows that they are going ape shit
its also weird hearing a news reporter say stealth for some reason
Hey not trying to flame you here, not really. I am just surprised you are amazed that the media was able to "find out" about the new firmware. How did you find it? Did you happen to read about it in a forum, maybe this forum that you can view anonymously? .i.e. without signing in. Maybe another forum. Heck even Tom's hardware had something on their page with a link back to this forum about the xell CPU ID trick and a recent post too, btw. Hell MS has been reading these types of forums since xb1. We all know MS is sitting there in their "lab" with modded xbox360s trying to devise a way to "detect/read/query/fill in the blank" modded 360s. Any company would be trying to do that with the prevalence of modded consoles. Let's just assume Microsofts numbers of 600,000 to 1 million are correct. That is a significant amount of xboxs that are modded that are not "paying" for games. Even though live service... and DLC is being bought. Hell in my case I bought a box and got the rrod. Then I bought another one and the hatachi laser went out. Instead of spending anymore money on the dang systems I just modded my samsung and threw it into my box. I knew that this was a possibility of happening. I care that my live has another 8 or 9 months left on it.... but I still got a system that works. I wasn't playing burned games, but now I can play burned games all day long. new ones... and old ones. All the ones I was never ever going to buy I am now going to play the crap out of. LOL. All the ones I was going to buy... I can now burn and play the crap out of. I hope that the new FW is going to work. Hell I might even go out and buy another box. If that one gets banned... no biggie... now I have two of them that I can network and play on two tvs. Yeah some of the MP games will suck without the major game play... but no biggie... setup hamachi or something and form a group of like minded people. Adapt and move on is what I say.... and what most hackers/modders/engineers/technicians and such always say. It is what it is... just sucks when there are so many causalities. LOL.
Darklite
QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:42 AM)
what i dont understand is that if its the stealth checks that caused it then why cant we just use the old non stealth firmware wouldnt this be the same or not just wondering, im with c4 no matter wat,
I'm running iXtreme 1.4 Non-Stealth on Xbox Live with no ban yet. Been playing MW2 almost everday and I even started playing it before release.
QUOTE(hollow_83 @ Nov 14 2009, 05:52 AM)
Guys the problem is not on the stealth checks.
The problem is that at the end of the dash update (the wpa2 update)
the xbox sends the firmware back to Μ$ for verification.
Simple as that, no more no less.
Lies! Explain why I wasn't banned yet? 1.4 Non-Stealth! I originally installed 1.4 Non-Stealth on a buddies Xbox because I "wanted" him to be banned. I was mad at him at the time. After a year of him carelesy playing unverified releases online and not getting banned I relaized this was the way to go. A re-flashed my console about a week ago, possibly even being flagged, and hopped back online. No ban and I fully believe I have been unflaggged. I've been commenting on this since the ban wave started and no one has had anything to add so I've been running my own tests.
QUOTE(darklite00 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:23 PM)
Hey not trying to flame you here, not really. I am just surprised you are amazed that the media was able to "find out" about the new firmware. How did you find it? Did you happen to read about it in a forum, maybe this forum that you can view anonymously? .i.e. without signing in. Maybe another forum. Heck even Tom's hardware had something on their page with a link back to this forum about the xell CPU ID trick and a recent post too, btw. Hell MS has been reading these types of forums since xb1. We all know MS is sitting there in their "lab" with modded xbox360s trying to devise a way to "detect/read/query/fill in the blank" modded 360s. Any company would be trying to do that with the prevalence of modded consoles. Let's just assume Microsofts numbers of 600,000 to 1 million are correct. That is a significant amount of xboxs that are modded that are not "paying" for games. Even though live service... and DLC is being bought. Hell in my case I bought a box and got the rrod. Then I bought another one and the hatachi laser went out. Instead of spending anymore money on the dang systems I just modded my samsung and threw it into my box. I knew that this was a possibility of happening. I care that my live has another 8 or 9 months left on it.... but I still got a system that works. I wasn't playing burned games, but now I can play burned games all day long. new ones... and old ones. All the ones I was never ever going to buy I am now going to play the crap out of. LOL. All the ones I was going to buy... I can now burn and play the crap out of. I hope that the new FW is going to work. Hell I might even go out and buy another box. If that one gets banned... no biggie... now I have two of them that I can network and play on two tvs. Yeah some of the MP games will suck without the major game play... but no biggie... setup hamachi or something and form a group of like minded people. Adapt and move on is what I say.... and what most hackers/modders/engineers/technicians and such always say. It is what it is... just sucks when there are so many causalities. LOL.
Darklite
dont worry bout flaming me mate, as i dont even know what that means lol, i wasnt amazed, i just said it was a bit mad, but yeah i know what your saying, its simple for ANYONE to find this info, all you got to do is google it, but it did suprise me they found out so soon as the new firmware hasnt been annouced long, so they must have someone keeping them updated everyminute on whats goin on, but like you say i dont think its that big of a deal not havin live anyways think of all the brilliant single player games that dont need live theres way more than most crappy mp games, games like mass effect 2. dragon age, assassins creed 2, and loads more, and now we can play without worry too, just go nuts, playin assassins creed 2 now, im not here to try and be clever, im just here to get info and see what other people think, but id like if if some one could give me there opinion on the new firmware and that if it removes stealth checks why cant we just use the old firmware, i know there is a reason otherwise c4 wouldnt be doing it but just would like someone elses opinion
cheers
QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 14 2009, 09:08 AM)
dont worry bout flaming me mate, as i dont even know what that means lol, i wasnt amazed, i just said it was a bit mad, but yeah i know what your saying, its simple for ANYONE to find this info, all you got to do is google it, but it did suprise me they found out so soon as the new firmware hasnt been annouced long, so they must have someone keeping them updated everyminute on whats goin on, but like you say i dont think its that big of a deal not havin live anyways think of all the brilliant single player games that dont need live theres way more than most crappy mp games, games like mass effect 2. dragon age, assassins creed 2, and loads more, and now we can play without worry too, just go nuts, playin assassins creed 2 now, im not here to try and be clever, im just here to get info and see what other people think, but id like if if some one could give me there opinion on the new firmware and that if it removes stealth checks why cant we just use the old firmware, i know there is a reason otherwise c4 wouldnt be doing it but just would like someone elses opinion
cheers
I'm no expert, but I'm gonna say that since he isn't recommending everyone to downgrade, he probably knows of another way they can detect you through that one, that just isn't being used right now since 99% of people use stealthed firmware. Whatever he found wrong with the current stealthed one is probably something he is kicking himself over, probably something simple. The unstealthed one may be so old that he doesn't remember every little thing about it and feels it would be easier to just start over, rather than try to hamfist a patched version of it and finds that he missed something else later on down the road.
QUOTE(Jonny Balla @ Nov 14 2009, 07:36 AM)
I'm running iXtreme 1.4 Non-Stealth on Xbox Live with no ban yet. Been playing MW2 almost everday and I even started playing it before release.
Lies! Explain why I wasn't banned yet? 1.4 Non-Stealth! I originally installed 1.4 Non-Stealth on a buddies Xbox because I "wanted" him to be banned. I was mad at him at the time. After a year of him carelesy playing unverified releases online and not getting banned I relaized this was the way to go. A re-flashed my console about a week ago, possibly even being flagged, and hopped back online. No ban and I fully believe I have been unflaggged. I've been commenting on this since the ban wave started and no one has had anything to add so I've been running my own tests.
It would be interesting to see if thats the case (as c4 did mention that he was removing those checks in the new firmware) however the reason you havent been banned yet could be as simple as luck. There has been over a week in some cases between when I've been banned and some of my friends playing the exact same games and everything have been. Its just luck of the draw. Those who say they are safe by only playing originals are gonna get nailed. This non-stealth firmware is interesting though.
I thought the non-stealth meant that MS was able to just tell right away but since reading this thread I figured out that non-stealth means no stealth checks which I would be fine with since I make sure all my games are stealthed beforehand
I found this at afterdawn. Just tried it between my banned and unbanned console, worked like a charm. It will transfer your gamesaves and gamerscore.
Transfer Gamesaves/Gamerscore
All information for noobs so they can stop asking.... NO ETA, NO UNBAN DVD (lulz) ETC.... http://docs.google.com/View?id=dg89m98b_24cmprv6gz
This post has been edited by ShomieG: Nov 14 2009, 06:03 PM
I just wonder which dashboard update allowed them to do this. I haven't been on live sense the september update, so I wonder if I was flagged then or it was the most recent update...
QUOTE(hurley131 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:38 AM)
I found this at afterdawn. Just tried it between my banned and unbanned console, worked like a charm. It will transfer your gamesaves and gamerscore.
Transfer Gamesaves/Gamerscore
This seems a bit easier, no?
1. On a non-banned 360, turn on your console with a memory unit that does NOT contain your corrupted game profile.
2. Recover your XBL profile to a memory card on your non-banned console
3. Turn your non-banned console off.
4. Plug in your hard drive/memory card with your corrupted saves to your non-banned console.
5. Go to System settings -> Memory -> (your "corrupted" memory unit) -> Gamer Profiles and select your corrupted profile.
6. Select delete and make sure you select DELETE PROFILE ONLY. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR SAVES
7. Turn your console off
8. Put it your memory unit with your "corrupt" saves
9. Also insert your memory unit with the gamertag you recovered from XBL earlier
10. System settings -> Memory -> (memory unit with recovered gamertag) -> Move -> Your gamertag
11. Move your gamertag to your Memory unit with your previously corrupt saves and you should be good to go.
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 14 2009, 08:10 PM)
This seems a bit easier, no?
1. On a non-banned 360, turn on your console with a memory unit that does NOT contain your corrupted game profile.
2. Recover your XBL profile to a memory card on your non-banned console
3. Turn your non-banned console off.
4. Plug in your hard drive/memory card with your corrupted saves to your non-banned console.
5. Go to System settings -> Memory -> (your "corrupted" memory unit) -> Gamer Profiles and select your corrupted profile.
6. Select delete and make sure you select DELETE PROFILE ONLY. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL DELETE ALL OF YOUR SAVES
7. Turn your console off
8. Put it your memory unit with your "corrupt" saves
9. Also insert your memory unit with the gamertag you recovered from XBL earlier
10. System settings -> Memory -> (memory unit with recovered gamertag) -> Move -> Your gamertag
11. Move your gamertag to your Memory unit with your previously corrupt saves and you should be good to go.
I don't think your method allows you to keep any gamerscore you've accumulated on the banned system.
QUOTE(vinz @ Nov 14 2009, 02:46 PM)
I don't think your method allows you to keep any gamerscore you've accumulated on the banned system.
Oh you mean any achievements you get once you get banned? why wouldnt they be transfered?
Now all we need is a way to reinstate hard drive installs without having to dump the nand before being banned and restoring it after the fact.
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 14 2009, 09:29 PM)
Now all we need is a way to reinstate hard drive installs without having to dump the nand before being banned and restoring it after the fact.
Are you referring to regaining the ability to play games from the hard drive on a banned console? If I had that ability again I wouldn't even give a rats ass about getting a non-banned console. I couldn't care less about playing on XBL.
QUOTE(coder_phil @ Nov 14 2009, 02:07 PM)
Can c4eva release some early source firmware(ie pre ixtreme) for us little coders to chew on pls!
Nice try, Microsoft.
QUOTE(gts24 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:46 PM)
Are you referring to regaining the ability to play games from the hard drive on a banned console? If I had that ability again I wouldn't even give a rats ass about getting a non-banned console. I couldn't care less about playing on XBL.
sounds like the making of a class action law suit....
hmmm, break the terms of service and you can not only get banned but they cripple the hardware you bought fair and square!!!!???? I understand the argument behind the bans, but cripple the machine so we can't back up our single player games on our own hard drive????
QUOTE(shakeyplace @ Nov 14 2009, 11:05 PM)
sounds like the making of a class action law suit....
hmmm, break the terms of service and you can not only get banned but they cripple the hardware you bought fair and square!!!!???? I understand the argument behind the bans, but cripple the machine so we can't back up our single player games on our own hard drive????
Actually no, because the game installs isn't an advertised feature when you buy the product.
New DVD FW in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch)
Lets stay on topic
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 14 2009, 10:35 PM)
New DVD FW in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch)
Lets stay on topic
I believe I said that quite some time ago, but no one seems to listen to me.
Hi
I reakon the new 360 update probes/queries the drive, maybe send a fake wave to the drive and if flashed with ixtreme it would reject it, however a unflashed 360 would recognise the fake wave....Then sends this info back to MS
It would explain how people get banned without putting a "backup" disk in and explain how the new LT firmware will recognise ALL waves when released....................
QUOTE(alexmtothemax @ Nov 14 2009, 08:57 PM)
Nice try, Microsoft.
LOL my thoughts exactly
QUOTE(bodybag @ Nov 14 2009, 05:21 PM)
Hi
I reakon the new 360 update probes/queries the drive, maybe send a fake wave to the drive and if flashed with ixtreme it would reject it, however a unflashed 360 would recognise the fake wave....Then sends this info back to MS
It would explain how people get banned without putting a "backup" disk in and explain how the new LT firmware will recognise ALL waves when released....................
Goddamn... that actually makes sense!
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:23 PM)
Goddamn... that actually makes sense!
I also think MS accidently stumbled across this, when putting the update on the video partition and C4EVA's firmwares would not play the new wave as his firmwares are very strict on that part......I could be wrong, more than likely!
So, all his efforts to protect us from bans have actually been the firmwares downfall......
No that doesn't make sense, how can the console send a fake "wave" to the drive? Doesn't make sense at all. More likely is that the extra second or so delay when you put a disc in from the wave checking of iXtreme is enough of an indication that modded f/w is being used.
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 14 2009, 06:26 PM)
No that doesn't make sense, how can the console send a fake "wave" to the drive? Doesn't make sense at all. More likely is that the extra second or so delay when you put a disc in from the wave checking of iXtreme is enough of an indication that modded f/w is being used.
He basically said it himself that thats the reason, but not in so many words...all the stealth check features he added were just adding overhead to every command....over time if you see a persons firmware is consistently taking longer than average, then you know. They are unnecessary features built in to protect noobs from trying to insert the wrong wave and such...once he takes them out and leaves in only the essentials, it should be "stealth" forever.
Also, the new "Preparing for facebook/twitter" bullshit likely added a subroutine that logged the the time it was taking each FW command somewhere on your HD, or straight to MS. It was probably programmed in a way that it would only try to grab the data if it had free cpu cycles, so you would never notice.
This post has been edited by Mcegan: Nov 15 2009, 12:55 AM
QUOTE(Mcegan @ Nov 14 2009, 11:53 PM)
He basically said it himself that thats the reason, but not in so many words...all the stealth check features he added were just adding overhead to every command....over time if you see a persons firmware is consistently taking longer than average, then you know.
That's pretty much what I said too. I was disagreeing with the "360 sends a wave to the drive" theory which makes no sense whatsoever.
We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.
This post has been edited by purplerose1414: Nov 15 2009, 01:45 AM
QUOTE(purplerose1414 @ Nov 14 2009, 07:45 PM)
We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.
Waves aren't the only checks done....there's tons of them he's added. If it was that simple he'd be done by now.
im just gonna buy a cheap second hand 360 and await new firmware
This post has been edited by morgan241985: Nov 15 2009, 10:34 AM
QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 15 2009, 09:33 AM)
im just gonna buy a cheap second hand 360 and await new firmware
be careful as there seems to be about 1million banned second hand boxes floating about
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Nov 14 2009, 10:42 PM)
LOL my thoughts exactly
Errg yes you caught me OMG well done i am indeed a spy!
jesus you guys are paranoid.It doesnt matter about my question anyway I used dis8051 and compared c4evas firmware with original for sammys and benqs and am dissecting as we speak.
BTW I now have 3 banned consoles in my house with original mw2 and dj hero and not able to recover my profile because I have got to buy a new 360 to do that with limited funds,so with all respect FU.
QUOTE(coder_phil @ Nov 15 2009, 10:22 AM)
Errg yes you caught me OMG well done i am indeed a spy!
jesus you guys are paranoid.It doesnt matter about my question anyway I used dis8051 and compared c4evas firmware with original for sammys and benqs and am dissecting as we speak.
BTW I now have 3 banned consoles in my house with original mw2 and dj hero and not able to recover my profile because I have got to buy a new 360 to do that with limited funds,so with all respect FU.
hey sorry ! but it was a unusual request asking for c4eva beta still in development " for testing purposes " ?
give the guy a chance he will release it only when hes happy its ready
since all these bans people will obviously be very cautious when odd requests like these are submitted on the forums
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Nov 15 2009, 10:28 AM)
hey sorry ! but it was a unusual request asking for c4eva beta still in development " for testing purposes " ?
give the guy a chance he will release it only when hes happy its ready
since all these bans people will obviously be very cautious when odd requests like these are submitted on the forums
no problem.I wasnt asking for the latest firmware source anyway,just an old one to analyse to try to see if I could help in making a firmware that has a very small footprint.I dont really want to rely on someone elses coding anymore.
question: if my console is flagged (55420 error) but NOT banned yet ie can still install games onto the HDD, safe to say that i can take out the HDD and use the savegames + profile with another new console ??
planning to buy a new arcade and wait for LT to come out.
QUOTE(slayer902 @ Nov 15 2009, 11:33 AM)
question: if my console is flagged (55420 error) but NOT banned yet ie can still install games onto the HDD, safe to say that i can take out the HDD and use the savegames + profile with another new console ??
planning to buy a new arcade and wait for LT to come out.
As long as the console it came from is not banned.
You can install games as long as the console has not received the Ban message yet.
As for buying a new Arcade, make sure you look at the Manufacturing Date. I would not recommend anything from August on as you might get and un-dumpable drive. Try for July.
This post has been edited by ccfman2004: Nov 15 2009, 11:44 AM
Something that I'd like to add is that while I don't think people running version 1.51 are undetectable, I think they are much harder to detect than people using 1.6/1.61. The reason I say this is I had two consoles; 1 running 1.51 on a Hitachi and another running 1.6 on a LiteOn. The LiteOn was IMMEDIATELY banned the first day while the Hitachi lasted a whole week playing CoD:MW2 like a madman the whole time before it was banned.
Now the only thing I don't know is if it was the fact that I played a bad crc burn of Left4Dead 2 months before that got me the ban on the Hitachi or that it just took them longer to detect me. I personally think it was that it took them longer to detect me and had nothing to do with Left4Dead because if they caught my bad burn of the game it would have already been flagged but it wasn't flagged till a week after the ban wave started. Plus the game was still properly stealthed.
This makes me think that what actually happened was they had to take their time doing several checks a day while I was playing MW2 to finally flag my console because 1.51 only takes slightly longer to respond compared to the real firmware so it's not as easy to detect but 1.6 takes even longer and can be flagged after only a few checks.
Make sense at all? lol
QUOTE(bodybag @ Nov 14 2009, 11:21 PM)
Hi
I reakon the new 360 update probes/queries the drive, maybe send a fake wave to the drive and if flashed with ixtreme it would reject it, however a unflashed 360 would recognise the fake wave....Then sends this info back to MS
It would explain how people get banned without putting a "backup" disk in and explain how the new LT firmware will recognise ALL waves when released....................
I think it's good track. The firmware is indistinguisable for challange/response which are well known for long time, but it's not the same firmware and might be:
1) different time response for some commands (propobly that's why C4e said about some optimalization - efficiency in new firmware)
2) differnent error handling for bad commands send to firmware. Sometimes original firmwares have bugs which iXtreme might fix.
It's great that we have a new firmware in development. However, as with the recent banwave most people going for this option will need a new console, correct.
I haven't been around here in a while however the Liteon III drive, last time I heard was un-modable. Won't we need a solution for this also.
In other words, isn't this being developed on borrowed time, once the new stock is rolled out everywhere, wont we be back to square one.
Unless we buy an old RROD console, and fix that. Opinions?
loads of x360 where not banned, by my estimates only 2-5% of people i have modded have been banned, maybe they don't use live i dunno, but they would love the new lite touch firmware, maybe even swap a few consoles for people that never play on live for people that do with the new firmware, plus im sure the liteon firmware in development will work with the 838 and 935 drives just change the spoof data or something. so when the new drives are cracked the old lite touch will still have a use.
big ups to c4eva for all his time also. most of us see your doing a great job battling the giant. keep it up. were all counting on ya buddy.
This post has been edited by kiwimods: Nov 15 2009, 02:37 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 15 2009, 11:42 AM)
As long as the console it came from is not banned.
You can install games as long as the console has not received the Ban message yet.
As for buying a new Arcade, make sure you look at the Manufacturing Date. I would not recommend anything from August on as you might get and un-dumpable drive. Try for July.
thanks man.
yeah the shops round here seem to have a helluva backstock for arcades and even a few leftovers from their feb 60gb pro sets.
I'm not disputing that its a great development. They seem to have found a good detection method, so it's only a matter of time till the majority gets banned, I thought I was safe. I play legit backups, and I'm banned. I did spoof once, but that was benq to liton(my real drive).
I suppose what I was trying to say, people buying new consoles will be screwed either way for backups. LT or no LT.
Anyway, what is the verdict with this newish drive. Is it an encryption problem again or a hardware barrier.
I was wondering the same thing. What good is new firmware going to do on "unmoddable" boxes. Currently have an aug09 box just sitting here collecting dust, maybe the firmware will somehow be able to get the key as well.
This post has been edited by zoocircle: Nov 15 2009, 03:32 PM
in the real world the 2-5% banned is very low. im gonna say most people who played on live got banned.
i suppose I understand. But fact is I never and will never play on Live. I have a 3 year old hitachi box that I've been using, and still works to this day. I've never tried playing on live, just single player and multiplayer with friends in the room.
So as far as banning goes on my new xbox I couldn't care less. I just bought the box because I wanted a jasper with a liteon (even though my hitachi box still works great). Was just wondering if I should reassemble this liteon box and sell it (because it's unmoddable), ya know....
This post has been edited by zoocircle: Nov 15 2009, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(Silentin @ Nov 15 2009, 02:10 PM)
Something that I'd like to add is that while I don't think people running version 1.51 are undetectable, I think they are much harder to detect than people using 1.6/1.61. The reason I say this is I had two consoles; 1 running 1.51 on a Hitachi and another running 1.6 on a LiteOn. The LiteOn was IMMEDIATELY banned the first day while the Hitachi lasted a whole week playing CoD:MW2 like a madman the whole time before it was banned.
Now the only thing I don't know is if it was the fact that I played a bad crc burn of Left4Dead 2 months before that got me the ban on the Hitachi or that it just took them longer to detect me. I personally think it was that it took them longer to detect me and had nothing to do with Left4Dead because if they caught my bad burn of the game it would have already been flagged but it wasn't flagged till a week after the ban wave started. Plus the game was still properly stealthed.
This makes me think that what actually happened was they had to take their time doing several checks a day while I was playing MW2 to finally flag my console because 1.51 only takes slightly longer to respond compared to the real firmware so it's not as easy to detect but 1.6 takes even longer and can be flagged after only a few checks.
Make sense at all? lol
Nice of you to take the time to type all that, but you wasted 5 mins of your life because you're comparing what?.....2 consoles?
Big deal my spoofed Benq drive as an hitachi didn't get banned for a few days yet my other box with a benq that wasn't spoofed got banned straight away...tho it escaped the last ban wave....What's all this ridiculous speculation about? Just let C4E get on with his magic and quit with the pseudo intellectual analysis already.
QUOTE(coder_phil @ Nov 15 2009, 02:31 AM)
no problem.I wasnt asking for the latest firmware source anyway,just an old one to analyse to try to see if I could help in making a firmware that has a very small footprint.I dont really want to rely on someone elses coding anymore.
If I'm not mistaken C4Eva wrote the original code. So even if you use his coding as a template to your own work - you'd still me relying on someone elses coding.
Nice try Microsoft..
Personally I think some of this speculation is a good thing. There's nothing wrong with trying to find out the root cause of these ban waves. Why not use your own experiences being banned to try to get an idea of how Microsoft is managing to detect modified consoles? I would have never thought up the idea that the ixtreme firmware is slightly slower and because of that delay Microsoft may be able to detect a drive with ixtreme and ban the console.
I mean, this could be completely incorrect, but at least it's something. We just have to hope that C4eva has enough information to find the real reason and create a firmware that will immunize us against the next few ban waves.
QUOTE(purplerose1414 @ Nov 15 2009, 12:45 AM)
We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.
I was using 1.51 on Liteon and had been for months on live.I changed to 1.6 so i could play MW2 and was banned within 2 days!!!
QUOTE(ivalerio @ Nov 15 2009, 11:07 AM)
Nice try Microsoft..
lol
If someone were to come here claiming they were microsoft, we'd say they were lying. But if they say they aren't microsoft, we claim they are some sort of undercover microsoft spy. It's just ironic, that's all.
QUOTE(flandersman @ Nov 15 2009, 06:41 PM)
lol
If someone were to come here claiming they were microsoft, we'd say they were lying. But if they say they aren't microsoft, we claim they are some sort of undercover microsoft spy. It's just ironic, that's all.
Excellent post & so very very true. 
QUOTE(ryan282 @ Nov 15 2009, 08:36 PM)
QUOTE(purplerose1414 @ Nov 15 2009, 02:45 AM)
We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.
I was using 1.51 on Liteon and had been for months on live.I changed to 1.6 so i could play MW2 and was banned within 2 days!!!
I was on 1.51 with a hitachi 78fk, and it was banned. As c4eva has already implied, drive and/or fw revision (till LT) doesn't really make a difference.
Pretty sure I posted this last night, but doesn't seem to be here now.
buddy whos been modded around a year no probs got banned other day...
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 15 2009, 08:34 PM)
buddy whos been modded around a year no probs got banned other day...
This is a revelation.
QUOTE(360beast @ Nov 15 2009, 08:34 PM)
buddy whos been modded around a year no probs got banned other day...
no ? how strange ?
For those still asking...
YES. 1.51'd do get banned, 2 of my clients got banned on 1.51's one on week 1 while downloading L4D2, and the other yesterday while on the dashboard, my 1.51lite-on is still good cause I refuse to go on Live until Lite comes out.
My Question is this, all of you got banned while on the dashboard right?, not while playing a game, right...?
cause that's what happened to my client's Lite-ons.
This post has been edited by notmyrealname: Nov 15 2009, 10:28 PM
QUOTE(notmyrealname @ Nov 15 2009, 04:23 PM)
For those still asking...
YES. 1.51'd do get banned, 2 of my clients got banned on 1.51's one on week 1 while downloading L4D2, and the other yesterday while on the dashboard, my 1.51lite-on is still good cause I refuse to go on Live until Lite comes out.
My Question is this, all of you got banned while on the dashboard right?, not while playing a game, right...?
cause that's what happened to my client's Lite-ons.
I got banned in the middle of a borderlands quest. It said i was disconnect from live all of the sudden and when i tried to sign back in, i was given the bad news
I assume they ban by region, and if it just so happens you're online while they're doing your region, you get smacked.
I only play @ night since I have school & work during the day, and a friend of mine texted me saying he had just been banned while playing MW2, and surely enough, when I got home that night and turned on the box, my profile signed in, but I was not signed in to live.
Week earlier when MW2 first P2P leaked, same thing happened to other friends.
IIRC same happened with November/Saints Row 2/COD5 ban wave last year.
AND with the Assassins Creed/COD4 ban wave the year before that.
QUOTE(_jaded @ Nov 15 2009, 06:10 PM)
I assume they ban by region, and if it just so happens you're online while they're doing your region, you get smacked.
I only play @ night since I have school & work during the day, and a friend of mine texted me saying he had just been banned while playing MW2, and surely enough, when I got home that night and turned on the box, my profile signed in, but I was not signed in to live.
Week earlier when MW2 first P2P leaked, same thing happened to other friends.
IIRC same happened with November/Saints Row 2/COD5 ban wave last year.
AND with the Assassins Creed/COD4 ban wave the year before that.
I dont think so. I was over at a friends house and 2 of us were already signed in and waiting for the third guy to play some borderlands. He finally got his Xbox going and went to sign in and he was banned... the 2 of us who werent banned continued on and my ban didnt happen for another week. We were all connected through the same ISP even so if it was by region we all should have been banned that night
This Topic has gotten way off course.
If there is any real news on ix Lite, I'm sure it'll be front page news and a new thread.
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