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Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 22, 2009, 06:27:00 AM

Hello, just got a lite-on 83850C manufacture date aug 2009 from a M$ repair center in new zealand ( so from Australian repair center. and i cant seem to get a valid dump of it. YES i am aware this is a new drive and its dumpable and yes have done it on other 83850c drives so many times have lost count.

i have been trying to extract the key exactly the same as i have been doing these 83850C drives all day (at least 7 today). so im positive its not my method, okay certain now as just did another new one today from the shop it says may 2009 83850C on the drive, extracted perfectly.
my question is this, has anyone else noticed the firmware change slightly but the drive stamps stay the same? i cant understand why this one wont extract, believe me i do this all day so what could be causing this specific drive to have an issue (besides a change in firmware maybe or encryption key) the xbox is a halo 3 console. i noticed some weird stuff also on the back of the console they have ripped of the normal manufacture date and say the following" service date, serial number, product id. they don't normally change this sticker do they never noticed before? also came with 3 months xbox live instead of the normal 1 month. another thing they have completely replaced the mother board (i know they sometimes do this), i know this is new as i marked the power supply plug so i could see if this had occurred. old style heat sink still present.
why is it that i can extract flash etc all other drives including this model all day long but this particular drive i cannot. here is the log from jungle flasher,

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Tue Sep 22 23:51:42 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 2 Com Ports.
Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:
Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

LO83info extraction Failed!

tried to do the drive the old fashion way with freekey,lo83 etc and still no luck well it gave me an empty hex key, Decrypted DVDkey:
14 0F 0F 10 11 B5 22 3D 79 58 77 17 FF D9 EC 3A

then tried with jungle flasher 1.65b here is the log, some info deleted to keep customers data private.
JungleFlasher 0.1.65 Beta
Session Started Tue Sep 22 23:58:15 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 2 Com Ports.
Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:
Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000

........................
..........
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

deleted..
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

Inquiry String saved to C:\xbox\xboxserialkeys\halo 3 xbox\New Folder\Inquiry.bin
deleted

Extraction file saved to C:\xbox\xboxserialkeys\halo 3 xbox\New Folder\bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.bin

the inquiry string looked valid. just the bit that normally says , in dedication to the birth of Micky or something gay like that. is zero out.

have tried every thing.

in another matter, i have a mouse i have been feeding rat poison to all week and its eating it, i can hear it now but it wont die? any suggesting would be great. do you think its a super mouse? the poison i have been using is called pest of simply smarter rodent blocks brodifacoum anticoagulant. seems to like eating it.

:-)
..2[...PLDS
0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S
0020: 38 33 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 32 44 36 30 39 43 47 83850C

please excuse any errors in my typing its 12am here so yeah. Zzzzzz let me know if you need any more information cheers, myles www.kiwimods.co.nz

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: BoNg420 on September 22, 2009, 09:27:00 AM

83850c is the firmware version, so if yours says its 83850c, then there is no new firmware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 22, 2009, 03:00:00 PM

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Sep 23 2009, 03:27 AM)

83850c is the firmware version, so if yours says its 83850c, then there is no new firmware.

Actually i just found a log file i had from previous dump yesterday to confirm i can normally read the keys and flash these drives.

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta

Session Started Tue Sep 22 17:56:26 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs

PortIO is installed and running.

Found 4 I/O Ports.

Found 2 Com Ports.

Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:

Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:

USB Xtractor Found on COM3

USB Xtractor switch enabled

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000

............

................

0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To

0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61 The Birth Of Ma

0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February

0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF Twelve 2007 ...

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0050: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0060: 8B 45 91 08 D7 7E 6F B6 - 58 D0 49 99 E9 5F BE 32 .E...~o.X.I.._.2

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: darkshadow2k8 on September 22, 2009, 04:48:00 PM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Sep 22 2009, 05:00 PM)

Hey buddy thanks for your reply. when i say the version has changed im basically saying something is different about this firmware to normal, yes the firmware version is probably the same and even reports as 83850 with jungle. however there is definitely something different about this drive to all other 83850c i have seen before. woke up this morning with fresh head and had another go at it. still same problem, have just tested my method again on another may 2009 83850c and works fine so definitely not user error.
I don't know much about how the firmware is encoded or what lengths people go, to be able to read the key files etc of the drives. Is it possible they have changed the encryption key on the firmware or something? i don't think this would be to hard for them to implement. Please prove me wrong. ill go and buy another console today and give you the log just to show you im serious about being able to read all other 83850c drives, i have done so many of them its not funny. so please take me seriously when i say this drive cannot be read using the current method. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

Actually i just found a log file i had from previous dump yesterday to confirm i can normally read the keys and flash these drives.

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta

Session Started Tue Sep 22 17:56:26 2009
This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs

PortIO is installed and running.

Found 4 I/O Ports.

Found 2 Com Ports.

Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:

Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:
USB Xtractor Found on COM3

USB Xtractor switch enabled

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000
............

................

0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To

0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61 The Birth Of Ma

0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February

0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF Twelve 2007 ...

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0050: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0060: 8B 45 91 08 D7 7E 6F B6 - 58 D0 49 99 E9 5F BE 32 .E...~o.X.I.._.2

yup same with me and i have a 83850c thats made in like july 2009 im starting to think theres something new with this liteon

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: warnos16v on September 23, 2009, 02:23:00 AM

I have the same issue I thought I was going crazy I have a A0A2 / 83850C which I got back from repair last week its driving me nutts.. I thought I must be doing something wrong with it.. but I have now done 4 other drives which are all dated May 09 and they all worked fine..

The drive I have that I am having issues with is dated August 09 and the Xbox has a service date where the barcode is at the end of September. I got it repaired in Australia.

Not sure if its me but now that I have done other 83850C's which are older then this drive its making me think somethings is not right.. will have to wait an see if others are having this issue..

Thanks

PS I am using the latest 1.66 (49)J/F Drive dated in Aug 09 and Xbox 360 says serviced End of Sept 09. Got it back a week and a half ago.

This post has been edited by warnos16v: Sep 23 2009, 09:29 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: warnos16v on September 23, 2009, 02:39:00 AM

ok something is not right.

After reading this thread it made me think maybe something is going on..

We have another 360 repaired in April 09 and I was able to dump that with the same setup I have been having issues with.

What the.. if this is something I am doing wrong I am going crazy.

Thanks

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: nottm3 on September 23, 2009, 02:54:00 AM

Hi, I just received the new xbox360 elite today it stated Lot No #936 same problem occurred!.

Jungle0.1.66b

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 23, 2009, 04:04:00 AM

seems they have changed some of there service protocols at repair centers and the encryption, bugger. M$ can pay when i wreck my original games now with dam scratches or even when the xbox scratched the disks.
what pisses me of most about this drive issue is that allot of these dvd drives stop working ether laser or some other issue and need replacing with new drives etc, m$ charges like $150 to fix this (and take 3 weeks) yet i can put a new drive in for around $85 NZD with my labour. how the F88k can we repair these things when they encrypt the method of repair. ahh. i believe they call this a monopoly. i hope the boys figure this out for us.

Kiwimods

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on September 23, 2009, 04:47:00 AM

So that's two Australia and one USA... Dont the newest updates always seem to happen first in Aus?

Scary stuff!

This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Sep 23 2009, 11:48 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ankurar on September 23, 2009, 05:30:00 AM

few days back i posted a thread ...i which i stated that the newer xbox are not getting flashed[as i was told from the shop where i went to purchase a new elite] but i was told here that every drive is flashable.....who knows.....now i think that the shopkeeper was right.......newer liteon that are coming after a price cut are not flashable....may be ???????????

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: flash360 on September 23, 2009, 06:04:00 AM

The firmware version is still the same on the drive sticker. I wonder if its something they are doing to the hardware at the repair centre

Like stoping the drive reporting its tray status correctly so it cant be dumped

I saw a thread like this a week or 2 ago, so for me this is confirmation.
It's too easy to just write these things off as just some noob who cant follow instructions.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on September 23, 2009, 06:57:00 AM

my friend bought a new elite box in the UK (Game) yesterday 2009-09-22 and asked me to mod it. I admit this is the 1st 83850C drive I have had to flash (but i've done many of Sam/Hitachi/Benq/Liteon 74 drives before), the drive manufacture date was August 2009, A0A2 HW Ver on the sticker and reporting normally in JF drive properties

no matter what combination I tried of power off/on tray half way/full open etc..

I'm always getting failure to extract the LO83info. I've tried in JF 0.1.66, 0.1.65, also using a VIA card (tried with and without drivers), also tried an Nforce card (which i knew wouldnt work anyway but worth a try).

Although the sticker is the same, something must have changed in the drives firmware to prevent LO83info being gotten successfully.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: matt5cott on September 23, 2009, 08:05:00 AM

acDCuk, whats the MFR date and the lot number of that 360?

I have a 2009-08-09 - 0933X sitting in a box unopened I'm toying with taking back.

Wondering if it's from the same lot number as yours.

Also does anyone know if these later xboxs come with the summer update already installed?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on September 23, 2009, 11:10:00 AM

QUOTE(matt5cott @ Sep 23 2009, 02:05 PM)

acDCuk, whats the MFR date and the lot number of that 360?

Mfr: 2009-08-17
TEAM: FDOU
LOT: 0934X

QUOTE(matt5cott @ Sep 23 2009, 02:05 PM)

Also does anyone know if these later xboxs come with the summer update already installed?

dashboard version: D2.0.7363.0

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: matt5cott on September 23, 2009, 01:49:00 PM

Many thanks acDCuk, think I'm going to take the one I got today, back tomorrow and then try and find a pre June vintage one without the new bootloader

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 23, 2009, 02:50:00 PM

QUOTE(flash360 @ Sep 24 2009, 12:04 AM)

The firmware version is still the same on the drive sticker. I wonder if its something they are doing to the hardware at the repair centre

Like stoping the drive reporting its tray status correctly so it cant be dumped

I saw a thread like this a week or 2 ago, so for me this is confirmation.
It's too easy to just write these things off as just some noob who cant follow instructions.

i actually thought it was a hardware problem so i de-soldered the pcb and put into another liteon for that exact same reason, i figure shit it must be the tray is not registering as being open at that last step(one of the switches faulty or something), but unfortunately this made no difference. pretty sure they have just changed the encryption on drive key

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: carniver on September 23, 2009, 04:30:00 PM

Awww shoot, didn't expect the 83850c crack to be this short lived

THX will crack it again, but this time the full solution most definitely won't be freely available to the public.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on September 23, 2009, 04:42:00 PM

After the accusations people banded about, I wouldnt be surprised if they left you up shit street.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 23, 2009, 04:42:00 PM

QUOTE(carniver @ Sep 24 2009, 10:30 AM)

Awww shoot, didn't expect the 83850c crack to be this short lived

THX will crack it again, but this time the full solution most definitely won't be freely available to the public.

im pretty sure they all wanted to wait a while before releasing the crack but every one pressured them into it. but i also think they will just change the encryption every couple of months now. just brought all the old stock up from three shops the august consoles are the ones to stay away from. this is the price drop surprise!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on September 23, 2009, 04:44:00 PM

QUOTE(carniver @ Sep 23 2009, 06:30 PM)

Awww shoot, didn't expect the 83850c crack to be this short lived

THX will crack it again, but this time the full solution most definitely won't be freely available to the public.

I think that was one of the reasons why they was trying to keep the decryption a secret by going through that BS $42 Found My situation.

Ether way it depends on how pissed off the team was after the last shit storm whether anything will be done to get a solution to this new drive situation.

And so the cat and mouse game continues. lol

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: GeToChKn on September 23, 2009, 08:09:00 PM

I had an older version of a liteon that wouldn't give up its key for anything. Some are just picky I think, or something's not connected right. I probed, prodded, soldered to the via, to the ic itself, had ppl from jungleflash on efnet looking at my bad dumps, and photos of the board and nothing. I've done hundreds of liteons and my probe never failed, but that one drive, it would not give up its key.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Cjc1706 on September 24, 2009, 03:46:00 AM

Has anyone tried to flash these problem drives in DOS using iPrep ?

CJ

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DuggyUK on September 24, 2009, 04:07:00 AM

QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:46 AM)

Has anyone tried to flash these problem drives in DOS using iPrep ?

CJ

flash what?, if you cant get the key you've got nothing (usable) to flash

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Cjc1706 on September 24, 2009, 04:17:00 AM

Doing the whole flashing process in DOS. The reading key .... building FW etc etc .

CJ

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 24, 2009, 04:39:00 AM

QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:17 PM)

Doing the whole flashing process in DOS. The reading key .... building FW etc etc .

CJ

the same method is used regardless of if your in dos or windows buddy.

tried elite consoles all the way up to 2009-6-20 today without a problem. 2009-7-7 elite is in a new box so stayed away from that.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Cjc1706 on September 24, 2009, 04:44:00 AM

All im saying is it might be worth trying, I know I would.

CJ

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 24, 2009, 05:43:00 AM

QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:44 PM)

All im saying is it might be worth trying, I know I would.

CJ

i tried the dos 32 version and that did not work, cheers, your right it was a good idea to test it though.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: flash360 on September 24, 2009, 06:14:00 AM

How about a pic of the pcb? Flat bed scanner?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on September 24, 2009, 08:06:00 AM

QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Sep 24 2009, 10:17 AM)

Doing the whole flashing process in DOS. The reading key .... building FW etc etc .

CJ

I tried in MS-DOS using lo83info and latest dosflash 16 bit , both still failed to extract the relavent info to even being decrypting it.

therefore we dont know if they've changed the encryption of the key, but rather the extraction of the encrypted key. they either changed the location or closed the hole lo83info uses.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 24, 2009, 04:30:00 PM

QUOTE(flash360 @ Sep 25 2009, 12:14 AM)

How about a pic of the pcb? Flat bed scanner?

boards look exactly the same, i examined them both for differences. cheers

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: daman22 on September 24, 2009, 05:18:00 PM

so non ones had this happen on a liteon 74 yet right? im plannin on flashin in the next couple weeks... go tmy box repaird few month back

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on September 24, 2009, 06:37:00 PM

A quick solution for all your problems.

Lite-On Drive with Firmware 83850c wont get you a correct key via lo83info?

HMMMM

Perhaps

only the sticker says its 83850c Firmware, but its not

It has the old Firmware, so just probe it like the old 74s to get the key...

has mentioned in another thread before.
There are a few 83 out there, with 74 firmware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on September 24, 2009, 07:44:00 PM

QUOTE(iglitare @ Sep 24 2009, 08:37 PM)

has mentioned in another thread before.
There are a few 83 out there, with 74 firmware.

This is a possibility. I have come across 2 of these drives in the past.

BUT if Jungle Flasher is showing the 8XXX firmware when plugged in then it is not 7XXX.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: darkshadow2k8 on September 24, 2009, 11:10:00 PM

also depends on chipset i cant read the drive at all with a nforce 610i chipset but i can read with a intel chipset i made a thread on this

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on September 25, 2009, 04:17:00 PM

QUOTE(darkshadow2k8 @ Sep 25 2009, 07:10 AM)

also depends on chipset i cant read the drive at all with a nforce 610i chipset but i can read with a intel chipset i made a thread on this

but thats not the Treadstartes´s point.

If you have done many 83s Lite-ons, and have one that is not working, i guess the only possible solution (beside drive is dead or damaged) is that it is a 74s

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: warnos16v on September 25, 2009, 10:37:00 PM

Just dumped and flashed a June 2009 83850c without a problem.

Also just came accross another September 2009 83850c which will not dump. Have also tried this using DOS.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xxpittbullxx on September 25, 2009, 11:34:00 PM

i got a console back from repair today with a lite-on 83850c aug.2009 used J/F 1.66 dumped fine got the key swapped it out with a ben-q to test no problems here will post a log tomorrow

but i can confirm aug.2009 lite-on is hackable !

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on September 26, 2009, 03:04:00 AM

ive got one of these, cant seem to do it either,same prob wont extract
august 2009, 83850c
JF 1.66 reads it as a 8385 (not 83850c) .
ive only done 7 series before but never had trouble.
might try on a different chipset. any ideas weclome gutted just bought a new elite
lot 934x btw.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on September 26, 2009, 03:49:00 AM

QUOTE(xxpittbullxx @ Sep 26 2009, 06:34 AM)

what chipset do u have mate?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on September 26, 2009, 04:08:00 AM

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Sep 26 2009, 11:49 AM)

what chipset do u have mate?

Hey geremia please find a fast way please !!!!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on September 26, 2009, 05:28:00 AM

Hey courier!

Im trying to source one of these drives, if anyone cares to "donate" it, Im more than happy to be the recipient

Feel free to contact me via board / pm / IRC.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on September 26, 2009, 06:13:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Sep 26 2009, 12:28 PM)

Hey courier!

Im trying to source one of these drives, if anyone cares to "donate" it, Im more than happy to be the recipient (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Feel free to contact me via board / pm / IRC.

your pm box full mate?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on September 26, 2009, 07:48:00 AM

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Sep 26 2009, 01:13 PM)

your pm box full mate?

Nice spot!

Cleared some space

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: toad404 on September 26, 2009, 12:08:00 PM

QUOTE(xxpittbullxx @ Sep 26 2009, 01:34 AM)

i have also hacked a august 2009 lite on no problems with 1.66 on via chipset.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xxpittbullxx on September 26, 2009, 12:15:00 PM

QUOTE(xxpittbullxx @ Sep 26 2009, 06:34 AM)

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Sep 26 2009, 10:49 AM)

what chipset do u have mate?

I am using a VIA Chipset here is the log i promised

Like i said this is a aug.2009 Lite-on 83850c

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta

Session Started Fri Sep 25 13:22:08 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on a 32 bit CPU

PortIO is installed and running.

Found 4 I/O Ports.

Found 0 Com Ports.

Found 6 windows drives C: D: E: F: G: H:

Found 1 CD/DVD drives D:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xEC00

............

.

0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To

0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61 The Birth Of Ma

0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February

0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF Twelve 2007 ...

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0050: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0060: 88 FA 29 4C EF 4E D2 4D - 2C 5F 84 0D D9 79 FB 81 ..)L.N.M,_...y..

............. Extract no.2 matches

0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS

0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S

0020: 38 33 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 32 44 36 30 39 43 47 83850CA0A2D609CG

0030: 39 33 33 39 31 33 30 30 - 41 45 57 20 20 20 00 00 93391300AEW ..

0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

Inquiry String saved to C:\JungleFLasher\September 2009\new liteon\Inquiry.bin

0000: C0 85 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0010: 00 00 00 00 44 36 30 39 - 43 47 39 33 33 39 31 33 ....D609CG933913

0020: 30 30 41 45 57 20 20 20 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 33 38 00AEW ......38

0030: 35 38 43 30 20 20 4C 50 - 53 44 20 20 20 20 47 44 58C0 LPSD GD

0040: 31 2D 44 36 53 32 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 1-D6S2

0050: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 ..

0060: 00 00 00 0B 00 00 00 04 - 00 02 06 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0080: 03 00 78 00 78 00 E3 00 - 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..x.x...x.......

0090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 02 02 00 00 68 00 00 00 ............h...

00A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

00B0: 20 20 00 00 ..

Identify String saved to C:\JungleFLasher\September 2009\new liteon\Identify.bin

0000: 44 36 30 39 43 47 39 33 - 33 39 31 33 30 30 41 45 D609CG93391300AE

0010: 57 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 39 48 30 33 30 31 39 35 W ....9H030195

0020: 31 36 43 37 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 39 16C714XXA0..S4P9

0030: 38 30 37 30 30 30 30 30 - 30 38 33 35 32 32 00 00 80700000083522..

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 32 FF FF ............A2..

Extracted drive key 00330ABE8297----------------F7FC

Dummy.bin file saved to C:\JungleFLasher\September 2009\new liteon\Dummy.bin

Loading DVDkey source file

Inquiry string found

Identify string found

DVD key found @ 0xA030 key is 00330ABE829---------------1BF7FC

Firmware is a Lite-On Dummy OSIG:

Firmware type is: LO83info Extract

Key added to database

Dont want any one to know my key so that why the - are there

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on September 26, 2009, 12:23:00 PM

QUOTE(warnos16v @ Sep 26 2009, 06:37 AM)

Just dumped and flashed a June 2009 83850c without a problem.

Also just came accross another September 2009 83850c which will not dump. Have also tried this using DOS.

tried to probe it like a 74s?

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Sep 26 2009, 11:04 AM)

never done a 83850?
so no proof its not you or your hardware´s problem...

i guess there are no new 83850 drives out there that are not modable.

Only 74s with 83850 labels and
people who do something wrong....

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: cypher21 on September 26, 2009, 01:16:00 PM

Offcourse there's always a chance that MS changes things.

But I can also confirm i've extracted a liteon 83850 with manufacture date of august 2009 fine.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on September 26, 2009, 02:32:00 PM

never done a 83850?
so no proof its not you or your hardware´s problem...

i guess there are no new 83850 drives out there that are not modable.

my hardware is good, i work in electronics design and am not new to this, i have been doing drives since they 1st got hacked. its only the key it doesnt get, the rest is ok

i think you will find there IS something different - drive is heading to someone with far more knowledge on this matter so watch this space.

its very easy to dismiss this as my error i realise but i just put a 7 series back on my pc extracts fine, my HW is sound.

This post has been edited by raymondo1: Sep 26 2009, 09:33 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: rossmac18 on September 26, 2009, 02:46:00 PM

I've also today had an August 09 83850 drive that just returned 00's and "LO83info extraction Failed!" - exactly the same as happened to kiwimods. using via (works fine for other lite-on/benq/samsung) jf1.66.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dougiegillam1357 on September 27, 2009, 03:52:00 AM

Has anyone tried using Iprep 10.7 extract/flash for the august 83850c liteon?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 27, 2009, 04:09:00 AM

QUOTE(cypher21 @ Sep 27 2009, 08:16 AM)

Offcourse there's always a chance that MS changes things.

But I can also confirm i've extracted a liteon 83850 with manufacture date of august 2009 fine.

.
Thats really interesting., always possible changed half way through august? Or compleate dumb luck every other drive but these few dont have same issue.

Had a mate up from wellington nz and he has done many of these drives also. i asked him to try read that drive of my customers, he found same problem( on my pc) via card etc. That same day read a couple other 83850c just fine. He then traveled home and next day one of his customers brought a 83850c from shop (elite), same issue. This issue is definatly not user or hardware problems. Any way we sending one of these drives to the pro's ;-) so hope they have more luck.

QUOTE(rossmac18 @ Sep 27 2009, 09:46 AM)

Hey when you say works fine for other liteon do you mean you can do other 83850 drives no problem? Same situation?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: logicwatch on September 27, 2009, 07:40:00 AM

if there are two different versions of the 83850 its dammed inconsiderate if microsoft are not changing the version/ firmware type on the label !
going forward it will make it difficult to id which drive have I actually got ?
thats of course if there really has been some sort change to this drive ?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ankurar on September 27, 2009, 08:16:00 AM

my fren just got a elite dated aug 2009.....wasn't able to extract the keys ...exactly the same problem which kiwimods had..............

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: smokeingit on September 27, 2009, 02:43:00 PM

I have had 2 xbox referb in september and 3 in august, none of them were unhack able... i did countless of new elites 2 weeks ago with mostly made in august and none with issues.
im using a intel motherboard.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on September 27, 2009, 07:38:00 PM

Since my original post I have been observing this thread and although some people have offered some speculation about 'user error' or 'try this and try that'. just to confirm, and to rule out speculation:

I know my equipment works to dump the 83850C drives as I got another one (drive manufactured July 2009, Xbox manufactured 2009-08-05, Lot 0932X, Team: FDOU).
That drive dumped all the LO83info just fine. (See first page for info on the one I couldnt dump)

No the 83850C made in August 2009 that I was attempting to dump did not work with any method attempted. first and foremost it did not work with probe, did not work with the original lo83info provided by foundmy.com no it did not work with dosflash16 or dosflash32, jungleflasher old or new, etc...etc...

Yes some people have modded drives manufactured August 2009, however there is every possibility that something has changed internally in the firmware half way through the month.
Jungle flasher reports it as "8385" just like all othe pre-august ones.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: slayer902 on September 27, 2009, 11:42:00 PM

don't slam me for this: but i think more likely than not, its a bug with lo83, that only seems to affect select drives

it doesn't seem feasible (and not to mention, impractical) for m$ to change the firmware of random drives without changing the label

seems unlikely that m$ actually changed anything since some of the people mentioned that they've got drives from older/back stock ? idk, just my opinion.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jimbobjim on September 28, 2009, 03:16:00 PM

Just got one of these drives

Manufactured Aug 2009. Won't read with JF or iPrep 10.7. Have done 3 83850c's before, without issue.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: vancitychipping on September 29, 2009, 01:44:00 AM

I've sent one of these drives to c4eva.

We will know more in a week

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: celltoolz on September 29, 2009, 02:08:00 PM

Well, i have 3 consoles on they're way from the Texas Repair Center, they should be here in the next hour or so. Its Weird they gave me a 2 year warranty on 2 of the systems and just the normal 1 year on one of them. Not sure why this is. Heres a screen shot of the Support Site:

IPB Image

Anyways, i'll report back when i try to flash them.

-Cell

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: celltoolz on September 29, 2009, 03:44:00 PM

All 3 of the drives are BenQ. So no new liteon's for me.

-Cell

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on September 29, 2009, 07:38:00 PM

QUOTE(celltoolz @ Sep 30 2009, 10:44 AM)

All 3 of the drives are BenQ. So no new liteon's for me.

-Cell

yeah sometimes they leave the origianl benq drives in the xbox if they are working, but they wont be new benq's im sure.

Update: just got another xbox from repair center in new zealand and it also has the same issue, no key extraction:

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Wed Sep 30 14:24:27 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 2 Com Ports.
Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:
Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:

USB Xtractor Found on COM3
USB Xtractor switch enabled
Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

LO83info extraction Failed!

also has the new service sticker on the back as well. aug 2009 drive. 83850c and 3 months live.

since i came across that one the other day have been able to do 83850c drives right up to the following date of manufacture: 2009-07-20 this was in a white box an elite. so some of the white box V2 elites are modifiable.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Agent Orange on September 29, 2009, 09:04:00 PM

Just saw one of these drives in Vancouver, BC.

Couldn't dump it - Arcade - MFR Date: 08-12-09

This post has been edited by Agent Orange: Sep 30 2009, 04:07 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: warnos16v on September 30, 2009, 04:11:00 PM

Just did my latest 83850c the date was August 09.. but this was not from a repair centre.

There is no consistancy in this.. I have 6 drives now that are dated August 09 which cannot be dumped with my setup.

Of the August 09 drives I have which cannot be dumped 5 are from the Australian repair centre and 1 is straight from retail.

I am 99% sure these drives are a different firmware or something has been changed in the hardware so that they cannot be dumped using the previous method for 83850c's.

I have done too many 83850c which have worked perfectly. My system is exactly the same for all the dumps.. even after dumping a working 83850c I try and do one from the repair centre which is after Aug 09 and it doesnt work.

This post has been edited by warnos16v: Sep 30 2009, 11:16 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on September 30, 2009, 05:27:00 PM

oggy pls chk your email :_)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: timewaster on October 01, 2009, 07:42:00 AM

all the new Lite-On that cannot be dumped are outside the US?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 01, 2009, 08:27:00 AM

QUOTE(timewaster @ Oct 1 2009, 09:42 AM)

all the new Lite-On that cannot be dumped are outside the US?

So far yes. But as when the last new Liteon stated showing up it did not take long to get onto the store shelves in the States.

As the holidays get closer and the volume of sales rise it wont take long at all before these new drives are all over the place.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 01, 2009, 12:24:00 PM

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Oct 1 2009, 12:27 AM)

oggy pls chk your email :_)

I no longer have access to the email on this board.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on October 01, 2009, 03:01:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 1 2009, 07:24 PM)

I no longer have access to the email on this board.

pm box full?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: GrandPipe on October 02, 2009, 02:05:00 AM

Posted this is the sticky thread, seems to be the same problem.

I was able to do a 8385c FW liteon this morning no problem (same manufacture date etc). Used the exact same method with a 2nd one and i keep getting an error when trying to extract the firmware.

It recognises the drive, i click LO83info button and use the tray half open trick. Click ok and then it asks to open the tray fully which i do. Clicked OK then it thinks for a bit and gives me a "LO83info extraction Failed!" error (log below).

Using the latest version of JF, VIA card for sata and xtractor connectivity kit to power.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Fri Oct 02 12:13:56 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 2 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 2 Com Ports.
Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: E: F: G:
Found 2 CD/DVD drives E: F:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xD000

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

LO83info extraction Failed!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: AbsoluteZeroInc on October 02, 2009, 06:56:00 PM

I have the same thing, I'm in southwestern Ontario Canada.
Model Number is

G-16D2S-09C
Firmware 83850C

It was built in July 2009

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 02, 2009, 07:00:00 PM

QUOTE(AbsoluteZeroInc @ Oct 3 2009, 01:56 PM)

I have the same thing, I'm in southwestern Ontario Canada.
Model Number is

G-16D2S-09C
Firmware 83850C

It was built in July 2009

i would try that one again.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: AbsoluteZeroInc on October 02, 2009, 07:05:00 PM

Wow quick response, I'm doing everything the instructions said exactly, I think there's something different with this drive. I've tried about 10 times.
Not sure what to do, I'm just using Jungle flasher and reading the instructions.

Thanks,

AbsoluteZero

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: GrandPipe on October 02, 2009, 07:28:00 PM

Just double checked my drive. Was manufactured in August 2009. Returned from Australian repair center.

This post has been edited by GrandPipe: Oct 3 2009, 02:33 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 02, 2009, 07:37:00 PM

QUOTE(AbsoluteZeroInc @ Oct 2 2009, 09:05 PM)

I have done at least 50 of these drives manufactured in July. Read the tutorial again.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: AbsoluteZeroInc on October 02, 2009, 08:41:00 PM

Wow, ok this is my first one with that Model Number. I get stuck the same place as everyone else. I do the half open drive, then open it fully and thats when it fails.
The xbox was Manufactured in august, the drive was in July

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on October 02, 2009, 11:13:00 PM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Sep 30 2009, 03:38 AM)

yeah sometimes they leave the origianl benq drives in the xbox if they are working, but they wont be new benq's im sure.

Update: just got another xbox from repair center in new zealand and it also has the same issue, no key extraction:

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Wed Sep 30 14:24:27 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 2 Com Ports.
Found 6 windows drives A: C: D: F: G: H:
Found 2 CD/DVD drives G: H:

USB Xtractor Found on COM3
USB Xtractor switch enabled
Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xC000

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
LO83info extraction Failed!
also has the new service sticker on the back as well. aug 2009 drive. 83850c and 3 months live.

since i came across that one the other day have been able to do 83850c drives right up to the following date of manufacture: 2009-07-20 this was in a white box an elite. so some of the white box V2 elites are modifiable.

well well just for my info...hawe you possibility to take a photo of this new benq?
more important the spi flash is external same to old?
but if this is same to old really easy to work direct on the little "spi"

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: UnnA^ on October 03, 2009, 05:47:00 AM

lol there's no new benq noob. Stop confusing yourself and everyone else....

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 03, 2009, 06:13:00 AM

c4eva has confirmed the new 83850c has no key output, not that I doubted it anywa

QUOTE

<c4eva> the new 838 liteon will be dumped and examined in the next several days - drive has no key output - stay tuned for more info

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 03, 2009, 06:50:00 AM

QUOTE(UnnA^ @ Oct 3 2009, 12:47 PM)

lol there's no new benq noob. Stop confusing yourself and everyone else....

Courier's native language isnt English so its easy to see how he got confused with this statement.

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Sep 30 2009, 02:38 AM)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 03, 2009, 07:58:00 AM

just had one last night, im in Montreal Canada
couldnt extract the key
Liteon 83850c mfg August 2009

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 03, 2009, 08:16:00 AM

QUOTE(courier @ Oct 3 2009, 06:13 PM)

the drives pcb in the new liteon look identical to the old. sorry if i confused you with previous comment as I was talking about some other persons benq drives, the problem here is with the new liteon's cheers buddy

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: funkimon on October 03, 2009, 10:01:00 AM

Just Extracted key from a July 09 Drive , Console MFR date August. Bought from Game this week

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on October 03, 2009, 10:23:00 AM

QUOTE(courier @ Oct 3 2009, 07:13 AM)

sorry but you mensioned "BENQ" and not liteon
about liteon im know next week start to work !!!!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: headonism on October 03, 2009, 12:47:00 PM

i have an august 2009, 83850c drive that cant be done.... i have done many drives b4 so know when something is wrong... i also know how to follow instructions and am still having problems.

this box is a Elite bought NEW the U.K on 28/09/09 i have noticed that the power supply is smaller on this xbox but other than that nothing else.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: bluemimmosa on October 03, 2009, 11:23:00 PM

i also got one manufactured in september elite black color 120 gb without hdmi suppied. I tried and tried and finally got good dump.

just opened the drive and ejected the half way manually and pulled its tray to full open manully.

it worked

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: warnos16v on October 04, 2009, 12:21:00 AM

Just got a Elite purchased today dated 30 July 09 drive is also dated July 09 dumped ok.

Arcade machine purchased from the same shop but August on the back of the console and July 09 on the drive.. could not dump.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 04, 2009, 03:00:00 AM

Not sure why people are replying with "I got a good dump" and that's it. c4e has confirmed the new 83850c's aren't dumpable atm so just wait and see I guess.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: halleluia on October 04, 2009, 06:51:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 4 2009, 02:30 PM)

Not sure why people are replying with "I got a good dump" and that's it. c4e has confirmed the new 83850c's aren't dumpable atm so just wait and see I guess.

Dude you sure about that?

Freakin hell just wanna get a new soft moddable 360 and bang this shit comes....FU**K..Curse Microsoft Shrimp DIC*S

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 04, 2009, 08:22:00 AM

QUOTE(halleluia @ Oct 4 2009, 08:51 AM)

Dude you sure about that?

Freakin hell just wanna get a new soft moddable 360 and bang this shit comes....FU**K..Curse Microsoft Shrimp DIC*S

If you are in the States MOST consoles on the store shelves are still moddable.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: halleluia on October 04, 2009, 08:49:00 AM

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Oct 4 2009, 07:52 PM)

If you are in the States MOST consoles on the store shelves are still moddable.

Dude you serious?
Damn must act fast

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 04, 2009, 10:19:00 AM

just retried with dosflash method and jf 1.66 without success, tried to open tray half-way and then manually open tray and it doens,t work either so we'll wait for Commodore on this one

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: rastaman108037 on October 04, 2009, 11:21:00 AM

I think my dvd drive was august 2009 and it dumped/flashed perfectly. Used usb modification disk 1.6.

Wouldn't work in jungleflasher though.

It might have been july 2009. Manufacturing date on the xbox was September 26th 2009.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: squeakh on October 05, 2009, 09:30:00 PM

QUOTE(bluemimmosa @ Oct 4 2009, 06:23 AM)

did anyone else have success with this method. If this works and if it is the only difference then maybe they did this change so that you would have to break that warranty seal on the drive. Just a thought.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on October 06, 2009, 01:45:00 AM

PANIC PANIC PANIC

I dumped a DG-16D28-S-09C (AOA2/83850C) June, 2009 with the JF 1.66.

I got the dummy twice, flashed it and now I'm unable to read anything. Xbox boots but doesn't recognize any DVDs.

Flashed back the original firmware and it gets even worse, not even the eject works.

I'm able to read, erase and write (apparently)...but there most be something wrong because it just isn't working.

Is there a dummy check for the 83850C?

Many thanks!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 06, 2009, 02:18:00 AM

Dummy.bin is NOT valid firmware!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on October 06, 2009, 03:22:00 AM

QUOTE(squeakh @ Oct 6 2009, 04:30 AM)

yes i tried this and it didnt work

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: UnnA^ on October 06, 2009, 03:55:00 AM

New liteon 93450c found in Hong Kong. All these aug/sep drives that won't dump are probably mis-labelled 93450c drives.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=693271

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on October 06, 2009, 04:58:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 6 2009, 10:18 AM)

Dummy.bin is NOT valid firmware!

Can I restore the firmware from the Dummy.bin?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 06, 2009, 05:02:00 AM

load dummy.bin as source in jungleflasher, it'lll auto-load the liteon f/w, save the liteon f/w and flash in dos or whatever

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 06, 2009, 05:06:00 AM

QUOTE(janaro78 @ Oct 6 2009, 11:58 AM)

Can I restore the firmware from the Dummy.bin?

Its iXtreme or nothing once youve erased.

Also, if these were mislabelled, they would still inquire as the "new" revision.

Im not saying its not the same f/w but its certainly not mislabelled.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on October 06, 2009, 06:32:00 AM

QUOTE(UnnA^ @ Oct 6 2009, 11:55 AM)

New liteon 93450c found in Hong Kong. All these aug/sep drives that won't dump are probably mis-labelled 93450c drives.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=693271

REALLY??????? PLEASE WHEN U TAKE IT OPEN AND TELL ME WHIC MTK CHIP HAWE ON BOARD
OR POST ANY HI-RES PHOTO
tnx a l8

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on October 06, 2009, 07:52:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 6 2009, 01:02 PM)

load dummy.bin as source in jungleflasher, it'lll auto-load the liteon f/w, save the liteon f/w and flash in dos or whatever

Thanks for the post, I been doing that...I thought I try again now it imposible (upto now) to access the drive via dosflash. I can never do it in windows because my board is VIA...I flashed many drives with this chipset.
I'm now getting in dosflash 1.8 MTK Vendor intro failed....I toggle the switch and only get 0x51 when on and 0xD1 when off. I think I l-o-eras.exe it the last time, that let me write the firmware the last time.

Here´s a log for the 83850C that's driving me crazy:

Loading Source File C:\Dummy.bin
Inquiry string found
Identify string found
DVD key found @ 0xA030 key is E8676DB76042D25B18CFF6DD94A8AXXX
Firmware is a Lite-On Dummy OSIG:
Firmware type is: LO83info Extract

Auto-Loading target file C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\JungleFlasher v0.1.66 Beta (49)\firmware\ix16-liteon838.bin
Target File MD5 hash is: bc61fac4efd37b69f88dfabe6e104XXX
Genuine Lite-On 83850c iXtreme 1.6
Inquiry area found
Current DVD key is 55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA5XXX
Firmware is a Lite-On encrypted iXtreme OSIG: PLDS DG-16D2S 8385
Firmware type is: iXtreme v1.60-12X-FINAL-DG-16D2S
DVD Key copied to target
Inquiry string copied from Source to Target
Identify string copied from Source to Target
Serial strings copied from Source to Target
DVD Keys are already the same
Inquiry strings identical
Identify strings identical
Serial data is the same

Target f/w saved as: C:\Lite_CFW.bin

Any ideas?

This post has been edited by janaro78: Oct 6 2009, 02:57 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 06, 2009, 08:21:00 AM

So you're trying to flash the saved "Lite_CFW" file, yeah?

Sounds like you havent properly erased the liteon. Keep at it with lite-on-erase until you get FF72, then try to flash

This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Oct 6 2009, 03:22 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on October 06, 2009, 09:10:00 AM

QUOTE(janaro78 @ Oct 6 2009, 08:45 AM)

I dumped a DG-16D28-S-09C (AOA2/83850C) June, 2009 with the JF 1.66.

Hi janaro78, You are having a different problem. This thread is for discussion of not being able to dump Lite On 83850C (v2?) drives manufactured in August 2009 or later.

QUOTE(janaro78 @ Oct 6 2009, 08:45 AM)

I got the dummy twice, flashed it and now I'm unable to read anything. Xbox boots but doesn't recognize any DVDs.

Sounds like you got a invalid key for that drive.

QUOTE(janaro78 @ Oct 6 2009, 08:45 AM)

Flashed back the original firmware and it gets even worse, not even the eject works.

No you didn't. There is no original firmware released for the Lite On drives

Basically, your xbox is just a DVD player now. That's the truth.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on October 06, 2009, 09:34:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 6 2009, 04:21 PM)

So you're trying to flash the saved "Lite_CFW" file, yeah?

Sounds like you havent properly erased the liteon. Keep at it with lite-on-erase until you get FF72, then try to flash

Lite-on-erase gave me FF72, I was then able to flash. Put it in to the Xbox and dvd doesn't automatically run. It says Play DVD, I press the A button and get the white screen "To play this disc, put it in an Xbox 360 console." I tried this 3 or 4 times now.

Is it normal for dosflash not to be able to read the drive once flashed?

Have I got the wrong key? I dumped it twice and JF didn't notify that the key or dump was incomplete (had that with some 74850C models)

Is the key encrypted?

Thanks again for your replies

QUOTE(acDCuk @ Oct 6 2009, 05:10 PM)

Hi janaro78, You are having a different problem. This thread is for discussion of not being able to dump Lite On 83850C (v2?) drives manufactured in August 2009 or later.
Sounds like you got a invalid key for that drive.
No you didn't. There is no original firmware released for the Lite On drives
Basically, your xbox is just a DVD player now. That's the truth.

Thanks for the reply, sorry if I'm in the wrong forum...

Are you saying that I've bricked the liteon?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 06, 2009, 10:36:00 AM

QUOTE

DVD key found @ 0xA030 key is E8676DB76042D25B18CFF6DD94A8AXXX

Looks like a valid key.. I assume you've "xxx"'d out the last digits, and that when you load the dummy.bin JF prompts you to spoof over to the ixtreme f/w, then you "save target as" lite_cfw.bin

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on October 06, 2009, 11:01:00 AM

can we please stay on topic?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 06, 2009, 11:05:00 AM

Fair point, but acDCuk until you have moderator permissions or are an owner of the site, please don't PM me telling me to leave the thread. thanks

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Frawgg on October 06, 2009, 12:42:00 PM

Just got a box back today from the repair center.

Firmware Revision 8385 in JungleFlasher.

Dumped it like I normally would dump these drives.

Get the same error that Kiwi gets. I've tried everything.

Oh I live in the States by the way. PA to be exact.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on October 06, 2009, 02:51:00 PM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 6 2009, 06:36 PM)

Looks like a valid key.. I assume you've "xxx"'d out the last digits, and that when you load the dummy.bin JF prompts you to spoof over to the ixtreme f/w, then you "save target as" lite_cfw.bin

Hi, yes the XXX is me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes it looks good and the 1.66 tutorial said it was fine, that's where it went all wrong. Just for anybody who might come into the same issue as I did (bricking your 83850C): There is another tutorial out there specifically for the 83850C.

The key I have is apparently encrypted and will never work as it's a "fake". There are many programs out there and even JF has the option (very unclear in tutorial 4 me), so please please get your D609CG925914001NS.bin before bricking it like I did. I'm gonna see if MS will fix it (automatic ban I believe) or see what chip extraction method comes out.

Hope this helps anybody out there and thanks for your answers and I apologies for posting in the wrong area. I thought "Replying to Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out" was good....

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: lagerhowen on October 06, 2009, 02:53:00 PM

I got 2 back from M$ yesterday... I had to read about the 83850c fix after wondering why my probe
couldn't find anything at R707, it got hot as hell and BSOD my PC. JF worked great no problems on
the 1st one. Now, this next one has August 2009 83850c I have tried everthing but no go. I used
lo83info_32.exe and JF on same exact machine just 5 min after 1st one was successful, so its not
me or my PC. I tried like 30x.

Lets hope theres a fix soon. I'm in California btw

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 06, 2009, 03:38:00 PM

QUOTE(janaro78 @ Oct 6 2009, 09:51 PM)

No, JF decrypts it for you now thanks to the implementation of Seacrests fantastic OpenKey. You dont need the [BARCODE].bin any more, thats the old, manual method.

I suggest you source a replacement drive and test your key in that.

Its highly unlikely your data was obtained, and corrupted with 2 identical dumps over Sata.

Less panic, more logic.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 07, 2009, 01:17:00 AM

I have a new holiday bundle elite and this is my first flash, but I might have the new firmware also. I just have a question about an error message.

I have 64-bit Vista so JF 1.66 doesn't detect the drive because I can't install portIO. I ran DosFlash64 from DosFlash 1.8 instead and it detected the drive. I then tried to do the Lite-On Read Key method. I don't have the Connectivity Kit, so I followed the JF guide instructions about pulling the drive's power cable as it's closing to get the halfway open state. I then did Step 2 of just closing and opening the drive. I then got an error saying the data from my drive was invalid.

Is that the error people get when they have the new firmware or did I not get the drive halfway open correctly? I did this twice and I can't remember entirely, but I think the first time I did it I got an error that said something along the lines of "Can't read key" which would make me think I have the new firmware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: janaro78 on February 03, 2020, 01:02:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 6 2009, 11:38 PM)

Thanks, I try a drive switch...but it does seem that key isn't right (the xbox was already open when I got it, but I didn't try it before I flashed)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: 99joe on February 03, 2020, 03:01:00 AM

I've got one here. Bought it from a tesco store in the uk, less than a week ago. Brand spanking new black elite. No hdmi cable. New box. Was a "special" offer. Elite console plus 2 games for £198.

Drive is liteon dg-16d2s-09c.
Firmware revision 83850c.
Hardware version a0a2.
Manufacture date july 2009.

Can't get the key using jungle flasher or ck3. I've tried for hours. My m8's tried for hours as well. We've used a plathora of hardware and every known method. No joy.

Oh, and a guy who runs a local mod/repair center wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Said he's seen 4 of these in the past month. He couldn't get any of them.

This post has been edited by 99joe: Yesterday, 11:05 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: UnnA^ on October 07, 2009, 04:47:00 AM

A July drive should flash perfectly fine. This issue seems to be with SOME August's and later. I would keep trying if i were you as your probably doing something wrong. There have been no cases of a July drive failing...

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: halleluia on October 07, 2009, 06:03:00 AM

Not even news saying that the team is working on this??

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on February 03, 2020, 05:04:00 AM

QUOTE(halleluia @ Oct 7 2009, 01:03 PM)

Not even news saying that the team is working on this?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

Read the thread, you'll see that I've quoted C4E saying that he's working on the new 83850c.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: halleluia on February 03, 2020, 07:02:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 7 2009, 05:34 PM)

Read the thread, you'll see that I've quoted C4E saying that he's working on the new 83850c.

Dude I saw that but you know... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: squeakh on February 03, 2020, 07:18:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 7 2009, 01:04 PM)

Read the thread, you'll see that I've quoted C4E saying that he's working on the new 83850c.

did he say that in a forum somewhere, if so could you please link to the thread?

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 7 2009, 01:04 PM)

Read the thread, you'll see that I've quoted C4E saying that he's working on the new 83850c.

did he say that in a forum somewhere, if so could you please link to the thread?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 07, 2009, 08:18:00 AM

QUOTE(halleluia @ Oct 8 2009, 01:03 AM)

Not even news saying that the team is working on this??

People are working on this don't worry. "giggidy giggidy goo" Glenn Quagmire

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: logicwatch on October 07, 2009, 08:21:00 AM

QUOTE(UnnA^ @ Oct 7 2009, 11:47 AM)

agreed stock from pre august should be ok ? however working in the retail industry I do know that the new
elites without hdmi are brand new stocks for the uk and we have only received them within the last few weeks so perhaps these are infact the new firmware ??

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: 99joe on October 07, 2009, 08:41:00 AM

QUOTE

Em.. yes there is. I'm sitting with it.
My m8 is pretty much like the op of this thread. He's flashed hundreds of lite on's. He can't get the key. I can't get the key. The drive gives the exact same as the op.
Jungle flash can't get it. Simple as. Even with ck3 it can't be extracted. I'm waiting for the supposed fix like every one else.

Nice to know people here take you at your word

.

Oh, and well seeing none of you have worked on a production line or in a factory before or you'd understand WHY some work and some don't.
Ever see stock and components that have sat for a while being used at a later point to fill a gap???? DUH.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: robo989 on October 07, 2009, 09:33:00 AM

QUOTE(99joe @ Oct 7 2009, 03:41 PM)

.
Oh, and well seeing none of you have worked on a production line or in a factory before or you'd understand WHY some work and some don't.
Ever see stock and components that have sat for a while being used at a later point to fill a gap???? DUH.

It is you who needs to do some reading.

1. We don't give a damn what your mate has done.

2. You've only got 2 posts to your name and registered recently.

3. All reports so far and there's a fair few point to july models being fine.

4. We understand fully how they are made on a production line in the context of which drives are used. There are batch numbers on boxes which show what factory they were made in. All boxes of the same batch number have the same components in.

5. The different firmware revisions are programmed near the END of the production process, firmware is SOFTWARE so it doesn't sit around as you seem to think.

Yep, think that's enough to pretty much make you look very silly.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: 99joe on October 07, 2009, 09:37:00 AM

QUOTE

however working in the retail industry I do know that the new
elites without hdmi are brand new stocks for the uk and we have only received them within the last few weeks so perhaps these are infact the new firmware ??

Nice to know... doesn't make me feel any better though

...

On the bright side, hopefully this one doesn't go down as easy as my last two.

I don't think the issue here is the firmware. It shows the same firmware revision because it probably is the same revision. I think the op of this thread and a few others hit the nail on the head. I think they've just changed the encryption key.

Here's something I posted at team xecuter. Hopefully it will explain the production line side of things better for the kids and thickity thicks on this thread.

QUOTE

Nope, this one is July 2009 and it def is the same problem as the op on that thread at XBS. It's sods law and the rule of the production line. How many lines do microsuck have manufacturing these? If one is handed new components, do you think they just ditch thousands of dollars worth of components to bring in the new? Would microsucks agree to the loss of thousands of dollars just to stop someone flashing there firmware? No. NO, NO, NO, NO.
The lines would either finish using the components they have before moving on to the newer ones or they would stick the older components in reserve and pull them out when there short of quota. Hence the reason why some August ones work and some dont and why I've got one thats dated July 2009.

Like I said, it's sods law. I've got one of the first ones.

Why do I know all this? I spent 12 years working for compaq and ibm manufacturing pc's, servers, barebone systems and scanners. I know in intamate detail how these lines work.

Oh, and to word all that above better, microsucks or the drive manufacturers wouldn't waste the components.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: 99joe on October 07, 2009, 09:54:00 AM

QUOTE

1. We don't give a damn what your mate has done.

Well WOOPTY DOO.

QUOTE

2. You've only got 2 posts to your name and registered recently.

Yeah, and thank god with prats and nay sayers like you.

QUOTE

3. All reports so far and there's a fair few point to july models being fine.

And that means there all fine...

QUOTE

4. We understand fully how they are made on a production line in the context of which drives are used. There are batch numbers on boxes which show what factory they were made in. All boxes of the same batch number have the same components in.

Well maby some people should try to excersise that knowlege a little.

QUOTE

5. The different firmware revisions are programmed near the END of the production process, firmware is SOFTWARE so it doesn't sit around as you seem to think.

And what about all this makes you so adamant that this is to do with the firmware? After all the firmware in use is the same as in drives that do dump there keys...

QUOTE

Yep, think that's enough to pretty much make you look very silly.

You wish robofag. Go drop your gonads and get a life.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: 99joe on October 07, 2009, 10:34:00 AM

Another thing.

QUOTE

5. The different firmware revisions are programmed near the END of the production process, firmware is SOFTWARE so it doesn't sit around as you seem to think.

That only applys to the drive manufacture. Remember these drives are custom talored for the 360. So the actual build of the 360 involves a certain amount of prebuilt components which are stocked by the variouse factories in there thousands.

About the only thing the microsuck guys are doing is locking it to the hardware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 07, 2009, 11:31:00 AM

Both of you need to quite arguing and keep on topic.

A mod needs to clean this mess up and keep this thread open so that if and when new info becomes available there will be a good place to post it.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 07, 2009, 11:55:00 AM

QUOTE(KingKapalone @ Oct 7 2009, 12:17 AM)

I'm quoting myself from the last page.

I'm just wondering if the errors I'm getting in DosFlash are because I'm not getting the tray at halfway or if it's because I have the new firmware. I'm posting here because the people here might know as they are attempting to flash their new firmware as well. Anyone get similar errors in DosFlash?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dougiegillam1357 on October 07, 2009, 12:29:00 PM

What is the manafacturing date on drive and the console plus the F/W revision number that is on the drive?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 07, 2009, 12:51:00 PM

QUOTE(dougiegillam1357 @ Oct 7 2009, 11:29 AM)

What is the manafacturing date on drive and the console plus the F/W revision number that is on the drive?

It's an August 2009 Lite-on from an 08/12/2009 360. It has the 83850c firmware. I know lots of the August drives are the new ones, but some people are getting them with the old f/w. This is my first flash, so I don't know if DosFlash is failing because I'm doing the Read Key method wrong or if it's because it's new.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dougiegillam1357 on October 07, 2009, 01:53:00 PM

There a good possibility you do have the new f/w with that date, having said that theres no way tell for sure. First thing first DOS64 isnt the best way to go, i'm sure that there people out there that have used that to read and flash 83850c drive but I cant say ive seen any such posts. The best way for you to tell is to use a program called iprep 10.7 which makes a bootable USB stick for you, that way you will be able to boot into true dos not dos64 which uses the cmd prompt within windows. Now having said all that you couldnt have picked a harder method for powering the drive, the 360 can be used but requires you to be quick when powering the drive back on/off ( ithink if i remember about 3 seconds) you should also plug the av lead into the 360 as this will make it a bit easier. One last thing is what sata chipset are you using? Below is the link to where you can download iprep and there's also a video tutorial on the site, but i reccomend you follow this tutorial instead. One last thing to mention is I always push the tray a tad more than half way in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYpOer_-tk

http://www.klutsh.com/

Hope this helps

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 07, 2009, 03:58:00 PM

QUOTE(dougiegillam1357 @ Oct 7 2009, 12:53 PM)

My friend also suggested using DosFlash 16 and making a bootable DOS USB stick. He said he doesn't like iprep, but I'm not totally against it.

I imagined lots of people aren't using connectivity kits now with the 83 firmware because it's not necessary. Is that not the case?

I'm using my onboard SATA from my Abit IP35 Pro motherboard. That is an Intel ICH9R chipset.

When trying to get the drive tray at halfway, is it ok to pull it back out to halfway if when I pulled the plug it was at about 1/4 of the way?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: wlintek on October 07, 2009, 07:56:00 PM

i've got the same problem here. the drive comes from the xbox that has just been sent back from repair centre. have tried everything still can't dump the key, but no problem doing the same in the past. pictures attached for those interested. cheers

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: AbsoluteZeroInc on October 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM

QUOTE(UnnA^ @ Oct 7 2009, 06:47 AM)

I have a July drive that will not read as well, I think i've done everything right, I posted it early in this thread.

Thanks,

AbsoluteZero

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: squeakh on October 07, 2009, 09:13:00 PM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 3 2009, 01:13 PM)

c4eva has confirmed the new 83850c has no key output, not that I doubted it anywa

where did u get your quote of c4eva? I would like to see that thread and read through it.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dougiegillam1357 on October 07, 2009, 09:17:00 PM

QUOTE(KingKapalone @ Oct 7 2009, 10:58 PM)

The intel chipset is the same as mine, however I only use this for Benq and Hitachi, I use Via6421 for Liteon and samsung. I could never get the ICH9 to work with the old liteon, but I must admit I have never used the ICH9 on the newer liteon/ firmware. Ive only used the via on the liteon 83850c. As far as the connectivity kit goes its far easier to use as it has power on/and eject button plus other features. One last thing to add is that the via card is the one recommended and widely used by software and modders.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 07, 2009, 11:41:00 PM

Jasper Elite 8/12/2009
Lite-On 83850c August 2009

I just tried the Step 1 and Step 2 of the FreeKey method that is used in DosFlash three more times and received the same "Received drive data is invalid!" error each time and that then says "Error getting Lite-On key and identity data". I had the tray open half-way twice and the third time I had it at about 1/4 of the way open.

I'm still not 100% sure if this is because I'm doing it wrong or if it's because I have the new firmware. All signs would lead to new firmware, but I'm a noob so I wanted to see if anyone else is using DosFlash on the new firmware and getting this error.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 08, 2009, 01:07:00 AM

QUOTE(squeakh @ Oct 7 2009, 11:13 PM)

where did u get your quote of c4eva? I would like to see that thread and read through it.

That quote would have come from the #fw channel in irc on efnet

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ProCision on October 08, 2009, 07:46:00 AM

I am getting two from TX that I just sent out yesterday, wonder if there going to have this new drive... I'll reply if the do or not. I usually get benq back from TX.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on October 08, 2009, 08:48:00 AM

it must be 100% a change in the firmware.
I just got a box back from repair center.
It has a new label at the backside 2009 10 03
Drive is a Lite-on 8350c from JANUARY 2009!
It is not possible to get the key...
(I´ve done plenty of 8350c and hundreds of other drives)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: robo989 on October 08, 2009, 02:33:00 PM

QUOTE(99joe @ Oct 7 2009, 05:34 PM)

Another thing.
That only applys to the drive manufacture. Remember these drives are custom talored for the 360. So the actual build of the 360 involves a certain amount of prebuilt components which are stocked by the variouse factories in there thousands.

About the only thing the microsuck guys are doing is locking it to the hardware.

I didn't know you were aware of this. But maybe you didn't realise that this is done entirely in firmware as in the drive key. This would not be done at the drive manufacturer going by past situations in terms of MS repairs.

That was the whole point of me being arsey. You talk like you know it all, but you're not familiar with the whole process so you can't go making wild assumptions and be taken seriously.

Your years expericence working as a monkey on a production line do not help here, that is my point. The reprogramming of firmware is done by microsoft or its contracted company before distribution of the finished product and not by the drive manufacturer.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: BoNg420 on October 08, 2009, 04:11:00 PM

Could it be that they just changed the location of the key and the Birth of whoever and moved it in the firmware or removed that from the firmware so that its not found? but did not change the version.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 08, 2009, 07:54:00 PM

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Oct 8 2009, 06:11 PM)

Perhaps they have a quick and easy way to change the encryption.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iateshaggy on October 08, 2009, 09:11:00 PM

wouldn't it throw a wrench if they started putting the keys in the same place they put the fake keys in for the original lo83's?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ProCision on October 08, 2009, 10:15:00 PM

QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Oct 8 2009, 08:54 PM)

Perhaps they have a quick and easy way to change the encryption.

My money is on this answer. And if this is the case....damn

all it takes is a different algorithm to change it and that almost seems easy. Not for us that is but them.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Birdmanrsx on October 08, 2009, 10:24:00 PM

Just thought I would Post that I just recieved my console back from MS (Texas Facility) on September 25(Sticker on back Dated September 22) and it had a Lite-on Drive 83850c dated August 2009, and I was able to mod it without any problems. This may not prove anything, but it doesnt mean all August drives are "Un-moddable". Any questions just PM me or reply to the post.

Pictures are posted of drive label and jflog of the dump ( with portions covered up for obvious reasons)

JF log:
(IMG:http://i36.tinypic.com/2cf2owl.png)

Drive Label:
(IMG:http://i36.tinypic.com/2d9pfll.jpg)

Thanks,

D.

This post has been edited by Birdmanrsx: Oct 9 2009, 05:26 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 09, 2009, 02:46:00 AM

i've had 2 august drives back from sydney repair centre that are both unmoddable now, I posted about this over a month ago but no one believed my just because microsoft didn't change the firmware version on the cover of the drive , that meant there was NO WAY the firmware changed.. according to some people.

I posted on xboxhacker, got flamed and thread got locked
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=12385.0

This post has been edited by xboxer360: Oct 9 2009, 09:56 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: CeNTauR2 on October 09, 2009, 03:00:00 AM

I saw that thread and actually hoped you were doing something
wrong.

Changing the firmware without the sticker is a pretty uncommon move,
during the Samsung times they put little stickers with the new FW
version onto the large labels.

I guess the drives came with 83850c fw from LiteOn and got flashed
by Microsoft during assembly of the Xboxes.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 09, 2009, 05:12:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 9 2009, 09:46 AM)

lols @ that jelle2503 guy over there... what a stuck up prick!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MTWlol on October 09, 2009, 09:48:00 AM

Got a new liteon back from MS repair center yesterday

http://halokiddies.com/FUUU.jpg

http://halokiddies.com/liteon.jpg
modded pefectly, dumped like any 838. Maybe the US stock just has the aug 09 sticker but has old FW?

This post has been edited by MTWlol: Oct 9 2009, 04:51 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 09, 2009, 10:10:00 AM

Thats Crazy.... ya I have tried 2 new out the box 83850c's from august 09 and they both fail to dump.. but the 3 i did before dumoed fine... Xbox Hacking GODs shine your light down on us and help us through this dark time of new lite-ons

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 09, 2009, 11:05:00 AM

Can someone who has tried a new one in DosFlash please tell me if the "Received drive data is invalid!" error is because I have a new one or is it user error?

I've never done one before, so I don't know if it's because I'm doing the half-open tray part wrong or not. Thanks.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 09, 2009, 11:27:00 AM

yes im 98% sure you have a new one................

i have tried jungle flash 1.65, 1.66b, i tried it with a topless chick next to me ( hey if she belived it would help... i was not going to stop her

)

i have tried iprep 10.7 and others....

tried dosflash and countless others.... the new ones do not dump... yet

come on xbox Gods you can do it

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 09, 2009, 01:01:00 PM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Oct 9 2009, 01:27 PM)

yes im 98% sure you have a new one................

i have tried jungle flash 1.65, 1.66b, i tried it with a topless chick next to me ( hey if she belived it would help... i was not going to stop her

)

i have tried iprep 10.7 and others....

tried dosflash and countless others.... the new ones do not dump... yet

come on xbox Gods you can do it

Even if a hack doesn't come out soon it would be nice if there was a definate way of telling if you have a orignal 83xxxx as opposed to a 83xxxx v2

Basically something in jungleflasher that says "it appears you did everything correct but this drive can not be decoded at this time" I am not sure how far along c4eva is with this current drive but it would be great if there was a easy way to tell for sure.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 09, 2009, 01:08:00 PM

The output of the 'new' 83850c is the exact output of a bad, failed, user error dump ...

Only 1 real way to differentiate using JF, and thats if you get dump 1 - showing good string, its user error for dump 2.

I forsee alot of "140F0F" keys happening for those that follow bad advice, and use old(er) tools that do not protect against this.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 09, 2009, 01:17:00 PM

Yea these last couple of posts is what I'm curious about. I don't know what a user error looks like on a flashable 83 drive, so I don't know if I'm getting that or if I have the new one.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ProCision on October 09, 2009, 01:25:00 PM

QUOTE(KingKapalone @ Oct 9 2009, 02:17 PM)

Yea these last couple of posts is what I'm curious about. I don't know what a user error looks like on a flashable 83 drive, so I don't know if I'm getting that or if I have the new one.

the user error is powering off and on the drive when JF tells you to pull the tray all the way out. In that part you do not power off and on the drive. When it tells you to put the drive 1/2 way just push the drive to half way and turn off and on the drive and hit ok, then pull the tray out and hit ok. that should be it. If it fails after that then you have the new drive.

If you read the pdf file and do what it tells you to do, i dont see any way for user error to come into play.

This post has been edited by ProCision: Oct 9 2009, 08:26 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 09, 2009, 01:42:00 PM

most of the time it will error out on the first try... you will not even get to the 2nd dump try and you will get all ooooooooooooooooooooo on the first try.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 09, 2009, 02:18:00 PM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Oct 9 2009, 12:42 PM)

most of the time it will error out on the first try... you will not even get to the 2nd dump try and you will get all ooooooooooooooooooooo on the first try.

Well I'm doing this in DosFlash. It does fail after the first try and I don't make it to the 2nd try. DosFlash isn't returning any bad keys like all 0000000000000000 or anything though.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 09, 2009, 02:41:00 PM

Sorry..., in dosflash you will just get the error and failed.... jungle flasher will be all 0000000000000000000000 sorry for the mix up.....

This post has been edited by MoorePower: Oct 9 2009, 09:41 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingKapalone on October 09, 2009, 02:50:00 PM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Oct 9 2009, 01:41 PM)

Sorry..., in dosflash you will just get the error and failed.... jungle flasher will be all 0000000000000000000000 sorry for the mix up.....

Alright thank you. That's what I've been trying to hear.

To contribute then:

New 83850c firmware
Lite-On Manufactured August 2009
Holiday Bundle Elite
Manufactured 8/12/2009
Ordered from Amazon.com 10/1/2009

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: nightfly85 on October 09, 2009, 06:19:00 PM

QUOTE(KingKapalone @ Oct 9 2009, 01:50 PM)

I have the exact same system, only ordered on the 4th. Haven't tried pulling the key as yet. Still waiting on the power adapter, but sadly, I expect the same results as you. Go figure. Might be going back to Amazon if a crack doesn't appear in a couple of weeks.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 09, 2009, 08:13:00 PM

QUOTE(CeNTauR2 @ Oct 9 2009, 10:00 AM)

mate, I myself hoped I was doing something wrong and thought nothing of it until I flashed about 10 83850's not made in august in between just fine,then yesterday got another august that couldn't be done and I knew I was right, thats when I came back here. I've had heaps of xboxes from repair center flash fine with 83850c, none made in august though, all the august ones I've had (2) were both unflashable. This is the sydney repair center.

and yes, that jelle guy is one stuck up prick.

This post has been edited by xboxer360: Oct 10 2009, 03:15 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 10, 2009, 02:52:00 AM

QUOTE(nightfly85 @ Oct 10 2009, 01:19 PM)

whats wrong with using the xbox as a power adapter?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 10, 2009, 03:05:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 9 2009, 09:46 PM)

i bet they feel stupid now, nice work.
I felt like was going to get flamed or anal bleached for mentioning it also.

Ps i think that mouse is now dead.

pps wonder who's birth will be next in the firmware revison, why do they even say that stuff? be funny if it said "i killed a guy once on december the 12" instead of "in dedication to the birth of mkay" as they thought would never be decrypted hehe.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 10, 2009, 10:53:00 AM

I can confrim that July is definitely part of the new liteon drive wave. My proof is below.

I have 2 Elite xbox 360s with the 83850c drives both xbox's were manufactured in August 2009, the drives are dated July 2009. I've spent several hours trying to dump the keys from the both of them with jungleflasher 1.66b and iprep 10.7 without any luck at all. I tried the tray half open a couple different ways aswell, nothing worked at all. I tried both of those systems atleast a dozen times each. jungleflasher continued to report all 0000s and extraction failure.

I got another xbox 360 today, this time an arcade with the 83850c liteon drive. the xbox was manufactured July 29, 2009, the drive is also manufactuded in July. I ran through the exact same steps described in the jungleflasher tutorial made in september '09 and it dumped no problem. I did it 3 times to confirm I was doing it propery and getting the correct information, same results each time. In the first string I received the:

In Dedication To
The Birth Of Ma
ckay On February
Twelve 2007

Which means it did dump correctly.

I erased the drive and flashed it without a problem and my backups now work.

I have since tried one of the elite 360s again and still, extraction failure.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SpankIt on October 10, 2009, 11:15:00 AM

Same issue here.

- My Info -
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Experience: 30+ 83850C Drives, 100+ Lite-On, 600+ Other
Chipsets Tested: AMD 690G and VIA 6421. Both with same results.

- Xbox Info -
Model: Arcade
MFR Date: 2009-08-12
Purchased: FutureShop

- Drive Info -
Model No: DG-16D2S-09C
Manufactured: July, 2009
HW Ver: A0A2
FW Ver: 83850C

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~
JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Sat Oct 10 10:52:17 2009

Working folder 'FirmwareBackups\removed- D609CG93190800G5D' re-opened.

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xFC00

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

LO83info extraction Failed!

This post has been edited by BoNg420: Oct 12 2009, 02:58 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 10, 2009, 06:22:00 PM

spankit you might want to delete the poor fellas drive details and serial number off your working folder.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: mattahammond on October 10, 2009, 09:30:00 PM

I have a 7-7-2009 with the 83850c and everything works ok for me.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 10, 2009, 10:34:00 PM

QUOTE(mattahammond @ Oct 11 2009, 04:30 PM)

I have a 7-7-2009 with the 83850c and everything works ok for me.

Never had problems until august

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: tantalus on October 11, 2009, 01:20:00 AM

I just successfully flashed a 83850c on a console with a mfr date of 2009-08-05. I was pretty nervous since this was a first time for me doing a liteon. If I had run into problems, it would be hard for me to be sure if it was me or the drive. I'm relieved now anyhow.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: JeeBoy on October 11, 2009, 03:21:00 AM

Flashed ok.

MFR Date 2009-08-11
DVD 83850c Date July 2009
LOT NO: 0933X

Bought in Sweden, SIBA

MOBO missing the extra heatsink on the GPU

http://s757.photobucket.com/albums/xx215/B...p;current=6.jpg

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on October 11, 2009, 05:34:00 AM

QUOTE(JeeBoy @ Oct 11 2009, 11:21 AM)

what should that be?
An old board with a new drive?
Do you have an hdmi output?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 11, 2009, 06:20:00 AM

Its a Jasper board.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 11, 2009, 06:28:00 AM

QUOTE(iglitare @ Oct 12 2009, 12:34 AM)

what should that be?
An old board with a new drive?
Do you have an hdmi output?

after seeing that i would assume not all xbox 360 are made in the same factory and that specific factory has allot more stock of July dvd drives or manufactures allot less xbox's then other warehouses. i dunno but why would there be such a large gap between console manufacture and drive manufacture?
I "assume" most of the repair centers would run through the drives quite fast ;-0 hence why we see it come out of the repair shops first.

I went to try and buy some more elites today from my supplier and they out of stock untill the 19th, why is this, same supplier gives xbox's to most of new zealand except eb games so how do the bigboys run out of stock. i bet we get the unmoddable stock via the shops on the 19th. maybe they had a recall?

i notice allot of people also saying "do they have hdmi output", what exactly do you mean? are the new consoles not coming with a hdmi port? as all the ones i have seen have had an hdmi port, only thing missing from the V2 elites seems to be the audio adapter and the hdmi cable, but they still have an hdmi port. maybe im missing something.

I repair quite a few consoles and after seeing them remove the extra heat sink in that picture seems like a stupid as mistake. 80% of the consoles i have repaired have had the GPU solder come loose from the motherboard due to lead free solder and heat issues, its a pain in the arse to remelt also at 217C (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) , dont try to achieve an actuall reflow with the old aouye hot air system, blowing the heat onto of the chips.

Even if the new consoles are running cooler, seems crazy not to have that little bit extra cooling power for insurance with that extra heat sink. unbelievable. try to cut costs again but will cost them more in the long run. also of note almost every error not covered by M$ warranty "i have come accross" is related to the same problems that are covered by warranty, cant understand this myself. anyway im getting of topic, ill get around to putting some picutres up in another thread when have time showing almost all error codes repaired with reflow or a reball (dont try this at home) of the graphics chip (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) :-) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)

This post has been edited by kiwimods: Oct 11 2009, 01:40 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 11, 2009, 09:18:00 AM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Oct 11 2009, 08:28 AM)

i notice allot of people also saying "do they have hdmi output", what exactly do you mean? are the new consoles not coming with a hdmi port? as all the ones i have seen have had an hdmi port, only thing missing from the V2 elites seems to be the audio adapter and the hdmi cable, but they still have an hdmi port. maybe im missing something.

Dont believe a lot of people. All 360 console version for nearly 2 years now has had HDMI.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SNAAAKE on October 11, 2009, 10:48:00 AM

QUOTE(timewaster @ Oct 1 2009, 08:42 AM)

all the new Lite-On that cannot be dumped are outside the US?

someone brought me an elite which was bought brand new from best by last night and the liteon wont dump. pretty sure we got these in the states too.

This post has been edited by SNAAAKE: Oct 11 2009, 05:49 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: nightfly85 on October 11, 2009, 01:50:00 PM

QUOTE(nightfly85 @ Oct 9 2009, 05:19 PM)

Confirmed, los83 failure as all others with this issue. Ordered elite from amazon; August 12 manf date; 83850c drive; etc.

This post has been edited by nightfly85: Oct 11 2009, 08:51 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 11, 2009, 03:37:00 PM

Ya i had the same issues two weeks ago... I've read all the threads in the last 2 weeks hoping to see a news from Commodore but everybody tells there little story bla bla bla, so any news anybody from Commodore woking on this issue , i don't hang around in EFNET
thanx to you all for your wonderful support

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 11, 2009, 04:25:00 PM

QUOTE(thestanleycup @ Oct 12 2009, 10:37 AM)

I have had no news back yet from the guys that have my 83850c yet, but i don't think it is a good idea to release the crack again so quickly. when it is cracked maybe they should wait until its really main stream before release, would not even recommend posting to confirm it has been cracked at all ;-)
we only had like a 2-3 month run with the 83850c V1 so best to wait get heaps of these 83850c V2 out in the stores. who's to say if a crack is released then we only get another 3 months before they change the drive completely?
I'm certain the guys at M$ read these forums frequently waiting to make there next move. in saying that i would still like to know. like a double ended sword.

ps anyone else notice the google add words campaign below showing the Microsoft adds for new Zealand on it, that's so funny, i click the link every time i see it. im in no way implying the m$ has anything to do with xbox scene, quite the opposite really, the adds are randomly put on by google via key words, for those that are unaware. but i think its really funny, see my reasoning:
adds places on xbox scene, people click adds, Microsoft pays google per click, google then pays Xbox-Scene (not much considering what they charge). in effect they are paying for there drives to be hacked. lol nice work X-S

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 11, 2009, 05:17:00 PM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Oct 11 2009, 06:25 PM)

good point , but in another sense think that who cracks these drives know that christmas is coming at our doorsteps very quickly and there is a deal of cash to make with modding so it doens't matter if it's now or later , M$ is still going to counter attack no matter how long

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 11, 2009, 05:44:00 PM

My opinion will always be:

If you guys (XBS) didnt bitch and moan about there being an exploit... and it not being released until market saturation

The market might actually be saturated now

It isnt, an if lo83info was delayed 6 months, thats 6 more months of hackable drives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by OggyUK: Oct 12 2009, 12:44 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 11, 2009, 06:02:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 12 2009, 12:44 AM)

To be fair, it was the foundmy.com exploitation of having the program to decrypt drive keys and charging for it that encouraged the hackers to release their key decrypt program - not the "bitching and moaning" from XBS members (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Oct 12 2009, 01:04 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: wantin2mod on October 11, 2009, 06:33:00 PM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 11 2009, 05:44 PM)

Right on the money Oggy! I'm with you mate....patience is a virture (and always a good idea! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 11, 2009, 07:21:00 PM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 12 2009, 01:02 PM)

I would not call it exploitation. People would happly pay over $100 to get you to mod their xbox, you only need to damage one disk to justify that expence. They only charged individuals that price, any full time modders actually paid them a fair price. yes it was a high price but how many years of learning, breaking xbox, did they have to go through before they had the experiance to do what others could not do. Do you get pissed paying a doctor, lawyer. I do also. But they can charge that as they had to learn to get there.
In saying that i do hope a free solution becomes available to public, but big ups to whoever cracked the 83850c last time. i think "when" cracked its best to wait some time. I dont think we should really get into that debate anyway. Lets just work togther and find a solution.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 12, 2009, 02:53:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 12 2009, 01:02 AM)

To be fair, if it was released, broken 6 months later than it actually was etc.

There'd be a hell of a lot more moddable drives than there is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

LiteOn are onto a winner with this, its the only drive that had an embedded flash chip, that alone makes obtaining the firmware seriously difficult, the samsung/benq/hitachi were easily desoldered and read.

They made a drive that took 8 months to crack, then, patched that hole, left another.

That hole has been exploited (and patched in a few weeks)

How long before there is no hole?

I for one wish, the payload of lo83info, regardless of a 42$ fee, was distributed after Xmas stock for 2009 was distributed.

It wasnt, and you watch this forum fill up with "Is it hacked yet" questipns, just like 74850c, this time last year!

/rant

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 12, 2009, 06:40:00 AM

...who cares....

Let the little girls continue to ask "when is it out", "when will it be done" blabla, I for one am just going to ignore those posts and not get worked up over them. It's bound to happen.

I'm just sitting here with two of these new liteons waiting patiently for an expoit. Obviously there is no patience in children.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 12, 2009, 07:25:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 12 2009, 09:53 PM)

To be fair, if it was released, broken 6 months later than it actually was etc.

There'd be a hell of a lot more moddable drives than there is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

exactly, its kinda like science though every one wants to be the first to discover something new and or beat the giant.

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 12 2009, 09:53 PM)

That hole has been exploited (and patched in a few weeks)

eject tray half open, probe and extract, don't ya just love to exploit that hole :-) was starting to miss it when the 83850c came out. .
...................
I have another scenario. do you think it possible that they would just change the drive randomly from now on, or stick with it until its cracked? in this scenario waiting makes no difference. has this ever occured before eg a drive revison change before a hack was released? cant remember.

it will be done when its done, anyway as boomer says. there is no need to ask when it will be released. I just think we all should take the pressure of this time. and play the game quietly.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: totoz on October 12, 2009, 07:30:00 AM

C4eva and Liteon guys know all the things behind the hack of 83850 v1.

I think that this knowledge must be shared with all the details, so more people could try to break this new encryption. If not, we can't help the scene and we'll always be in the hand of Go...wait...C4eva.

This post has been edited by totoz: Oct 12 2009, 02:31 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 12, 2009, 07:32:00 AM

QUOTE(OggyUK @ Oct 12 2009, 09:53 AM)

To be fair, if it was released, broken 6 months later than it actually was etc.

There'd be a hell of a lot more moddable drives than there is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Indeed, but you can't blame XBS "moaners" for that. Blame foundmy.com for charging money for a hack. As soon as they done that, MS would have seeked to patch the hole. The hackers merely shafted foundmy.com and gave us a way to get our keys for free (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by xbox360sexual: Oct 12 2009, 02:32 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 12, 2009, 08:53:00 AM

QUOTE(totoz @ Oct 12 2009, 02:30 PM)

that knowledge is easily accesible if you know what your doing, if you can't figure that out then you would be of no help trying to break the new encryption. Let the guys that know what they are doing, do what they do.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jimwross on October 12, 2009, 04:59:00 PM

Blah, I've run in to a few of these, none of them have been refurb units, only new Elite packages.

And to those saying its Aug 09 only on, I've had two July 09 83850c's that dump string 1 fine, and error on string 2 (which would be this same problem being discussed here).

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 12, 2009, 05:08:00 PM

QUOTE(jimwross @ Oct 13 2009, 11:59 AM)

if it dumps it fine the first time there maybe something else wrong. just my thoughts, maybe i miss read what you said

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 12, 2009, 06:21:00 PM

The first string on my july liteons will not dump at all. I get all 0s and it fails to extract. I have two julys that continuosly do that no matter what I try. I have one July that dumped perfect on my first try with it and it also now flashed.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: cresent on October 13, 2009, 12:07:00 AM

LITEON 83850C with A0A2 successfully flashed.

FDOU
Lot# 0931X
July 31 09

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 13, 2009, 12:29:00 AM

Why do people still post about 83850C being flashed before the 09/2009??? look we get it july 09 very flashable... march ok very flashable... march 2006 very flashable.... so now that we know all that.... lets stick to the real facts august 2009 series.... ok thank you for all your support with lots of pointless updates..

now maybe we can go back to why this thread was started the new 09/09 83850c or newer drive

thank you.... now wheres my gun

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: cresent on October 13, 2009, 01:22:00 AM

I just posted it since its right there at the AUG border. So relax!!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 13, 2009, 03:04:00 AM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Oct 13 2009, 07:29 AM)

how about you find out if what you are talking about is actually fact before you open your mouth.

QUOTE

both failed dumping liteons were bought in canada aswell as the liteon that did dump.

and another one

QUOTE

Same issue here.

- My Info -
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Experience: 30+ 83850C Drives, 100+ Lite-On, 600+ Other
Chipsets Tested: AMD 690G and VIA 6421. Both with same results.

- Xbox Info -
Model: Arcade
MFR Date: 2009-08-12
Purchased: FutureShop

- Drive Info -
Model No: DG-16D2S-09C
Manufactured: July, 2009
HW Ver: A0A2
FW Ver: 83850C

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~
JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Sat Oct 10 10:52:17 2009

Working folder 'FirmwareBackups\removed- D609CG93190800G5D' re-opened.

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xFC00

............
................
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

LO83info extraction Failed!

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Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Canon624 on October 13, 2009, 04:54:00 AM

arrrgggg. i was about to order my probe and connectivity kit for the recent liteon i bought. the manufacture date is july 7th 2009. now i'm not sure if i should drop the money on the tools i need to flash it, because it might not be moddable now. how great. -.- is there any way i can CONFIRM i have unflashable liteon at present time?

This post has been edited by Canon624: Oct 13 2009, 11:56 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 13, 2009, 04:59:00 AM

QUOTE(Canon624 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:54 PM)

you should still buy one. pretty handy, but get the usb one.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Canon624 on October 13, 2009, 05:09:00 AM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Oct 13 2009, 06:59 AM)

you should still buy one. pretty handy, but get the usb one.

maybe i will. not sure yet. i could not order the tools, scrap the new CPU cooler i was going to buy, and buy an already flashed 360 like a n00b. or order the tools i need and hope. but, WHAT to do?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: chris67rs on October 13, 2009, 05:56:00 AM

I too just bought a new arcade, I noticed that on another arcade unit I purchased with the older flashable firmware, the Power supply is a large brick, the newer ones it is a revised small power pack, so I returned it and got another one with a larger power pack and go figure, a flashable drive.

I guess its hard to tell weight wise, but maybe some one could weigh the two boxes and post the weight , then while your in the store (like a Walmart or dept store) plop it on a scale and make sure you got a good one.

now thats totally lame as hell but WTF

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: didineedthis on October 13, 2009, 07:08:00 AM

New Elite (white box) purchased from game in the UK

MANUF - 2009-09-03
LOT NO - 0936X

DG16D2S -09C
AUGUST 09

flashed using JF 0.1.66 Beta

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DanB91 on October 13, 2009, 09:38:00 AM

QUOTE(Canon624 @ Oct 13 2009, 07:09 AM)

i dont understand. why would u need any tools for the 8 series liteons?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 13, 2009, 02:43:00 PM

i just don't think it's necessary to add stats about this new rev2 83850c being unflashabel, cmon , 14 pages of this thread , don't you think it's time to give it a little rest and just wait for any real good reasons to keep adding on comments. Just wait for Commodore to bring out a solution or somebody else and go from there

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Klutsh on October 13, 2009, 04:38:00 PM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Oct 13 2009, 11:59 AM)

but get the usb one.

And then if jungle flasher freezes for any reason you wont be able to recover it in DOS!
Stick to tried and tested hardware, not new USB tools.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: carranzafp on October 13, 2009, 05:21:00 PM

QUOTE(Klutsh @ Oct 13 2009, 11:38 PM)

And then if jungle flasher freezes for any reason you wont be able to recover it in DOS!
Stick to tried and tested hardware, not new USB tools.

Very offtopic but...
You said "jungleflasher" could hang, jungleflasher is software not hardware.

By other hand, its confirmed, this variant of 83850 liteon fw refuses the debug commands to dump the keys (aka lo83 commands) at least in the way the lo83 (and jungleflasher) send it. they return STATUS 51 wich means the atapi layer refused the command. So other means needs to be found to read those keys.

Best Regards

This post has been edited by carranzafp: Oct 14 2009, 12:31 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Tron[ADS] on October 13, 2009, 05:39:00 PM

QUOTE(thestanleycup @ Oct 13 2009, 09:43 PM)

I agree. Its pretty clear theres a new drive out thats hitting pretty much everywhere now. Folk should be upping their details to www.360drives.com now.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 13, 2009, 05:52:00 PM

QUOTE(carranzafp @ Oct 14 2009, 12:21 PM)

Nicely said, with the USB xtractor i have never had an issue at all with hanging. all the dude needs to do is make sure he has the correct computer hard where and drivers removed. using dos is old school, so much easier for a noob to do with the jungle flasher gui and a usb spear.

Thank god its actually official. hope someone has good luck figuring out the new key retrieval commands.

So if we can just post updates to this process if its is ever figured out that would be good. no need to confirm new sightings as the others have said.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Toddler on October 13, 2009, 10:45:00 PM

QUOTE(Canon624 @ Oct 13 2009, 05:54 AM)

JungleFlasher will confirm it for you. "LO83info extraction Failed!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Canon624 on October 14, 2009, 08:59:00 AM

QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 14 2009, 12:45 AM)

JungleFlasher will confirm it for you. "LO83info extraction Failed!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

yeah. i went ahead and looked right on my DVD drive and it was made in june 09. around the same time i found out you can flash a 8350c with a bunch of tools. i ripped on my PC and 360 and flashed it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Canon624: Oct 14 2009, 03:59 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Evi1d33d on October 14, 2009, 02:15:00 PM

Just got back a refurb from the Texas repair center and it came with a June 2009 LiteOn so I got lucky. But they gave me an Xenon.... #$%#.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 14, 2009, 03:11:00 PM

Can we please stop posting unless babble????????????????????????????????????

there is 13 pages of postings that is 100% unless and pointless... like Evi1d33d do we really need to know you got lucky??? what does that have anything to do with the new drives... NOTHNG...

please unless you have a good posting or info about the new v2's being hacked please dont post

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: zhitnik on October 14, 2009, 03:27:00 PM

Well I think it is interesting to hear what drives people are getting from where, the MFG dates on the console and the drive label, etc.

I'm sure when a fix comes out we will all know about it, but until then, potential buyers can benefit from this thread.

So far it looks like 83850c's with MFG dates July and back are 99% moddable. August 2009 on the drive label seems to be 50/50 (I personally did an August 83850c successfully a couple weeks back, before I even knew this was going on, lucky me). So apparently the switch occurred sometime in August.

There is no easy way to tell which 83850c you got, so the MFG date seems to be the best indicator.

So to sum up what I'm reading so far, if you are trying to mod a box, stay away from systems mfg'd or repaired in August and up.

Nobody knows how long it is going to take to create a fix, or if it is even possible to create a fix for this revision (it most likely is possible, but still).

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: playerman on October 14, 2009, 04:21:00 PM

QUOTE(zhitnik @ Oct 14 2009, 11:27 PM)

I bought five consoles in 'game' UK last week MFG 28.09.2009 and drives was July 09 (All modable).
So it means you can't recognize it only from MFG.So what you said its true. Drive July 99%, august 50/50 but i heard from few friend that microsoft is putting old stickers on new not modable drives.If you have luck it will be modable(i was buying on Wood Green,London).Any questions dont hestitate to ask because my friends bought them at the same time with diffrent dates(08.09.2009 and 24.09.2009) and all of them was modable(drive July 09).

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: bludd on October 15, 2009, 10:20:00 AM

QUOTE(Canon624 @ Oct 13 2009, 06:54 AM)

Which drive do you have? The 83850c or 74850c?

Cause if it's 83850c and manufactured in July 09 then those are most likely flashable and you don't need a probe or a connectivity kit for it.

The thread seems to suggest that ones manufactured in August 09 and above are the ones you cannot flash.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ericattack on October 16, 2009, 02:17:00 AM

In NL more and more stores sell the v2 now. We have tried all known methods on this liteon version without any succes. This is going to be very bad for our store with the holidays incoming.

We gave up the V2 for now. If anybody did have ANY succes with this drive, please notify here.

And only post if you are sure that you had a V2. If you dont know this, please dont post.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jimbobjim on October 16, 2009, 02:42:00 AM

QUOTE(ericattack @ Oct 16 2009, 09:17 AM)

How unfortunate for you that you might not be able to rake in the cash this holiday season. Lets hope these lazy hackers get off their backsides and find you a solution.

On serious note... please don't post requests for solutions here. It will be hacked when it's hacked.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: FJTR on October 16, 2009, 08:48:00 AM

Hey Guys, i have that Lite on 83850c August 2009, and can`t flash my Drive, freekey says to me that no have key inside :S

Jungleflasher show me this:

QUOTE

........................

..........

0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS

0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S

0020: 38 33 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 32 44 36 30 39 43 47 83850CA0A2D609CG

0030: 39 33 32 38 31 35 30 30 - 43 30 57 20 20 20 00 00 93281500C0W ..

0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

Inquiry String saved to C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Escritorio\JungleFlasher v0.1.65 Beta\Inquiry.bin

0000: 44 36 30 39 43 47 39 33 - 32 38 31 35 30 30 43 30 D609CG93281500C0

0010: 57 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 39 47 33 31 31 36 34 34 W ....9G311644

0020: 31 36 41 37 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 39 16A714XXA0..S4P9

0030: 37 32 34 30 30 30 30 30 - 33 34 34 32 33 33 00 00 72400000344233..

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 32 FF FF ............A2..

Extraction file saved to C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Escritorio\JungleFlasher v0.1.65 Beta\D609CG93281500C0W.bin

Best regards from Spain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by FJTR: Oct 16 2009, 03:59 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 16, 2009, 09:15:00 AM

You're using an old jungleflasher, you need 0.1.66

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: FJTR on October 16, 2009, 09:41:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 16 2009, 04:15 PM)

You're using an old jungleflasher, you need 0.1.66

If i use jf 1.66 it will extrac correctly the key in a Drive Liteon 83850c Made in August 2009?? Sure? Thanks a lot.

Best regards

PD: And sorry if my english is too bad, im from spain!

This post has been edited by FJTR: Oct 16 2009, 04:42 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 16, 2009, 09:43:00 AM

Well, it'll certainly do more than 0.65 ever would on an 83850c, lol!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: FJTR on October 16, 2009, 09:51:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Oct 16 2009, 04:43 PM)

Well, it'll certainly do more than 0.65 ever would on an 83850c, lol!

Ok, thanks i'll test it this night.

Best regards

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on October 16, 2009, 12:39:00 PM

Just adding info...

Just received a few days ago replacement 360 from germany repair centre.

service date on the sticker on the back is 2009-06-12
non-hdmi capable
has the heatpipe extra heatsink but the old style tall heatsink.
drive: 83850C / A0A2. Made June 2009.

dumped lo83info and decrypted key fine.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: strawsy on October 16, 2009, 01:15:00 PM

I tried reading through this whole thread but I don't have the time. Anyway it seems everyone here is having trouble modding liteons manufactured in august 2009? Well I don't know if I just got lucky but a few weeks ago I modded a liteon drive that was manufactured in august 2009. It was actually just as easy as a benq. I don't know why people are having problems....maybe microsoft realized the drives were too easy to mod this time and changed them very quickly in august again.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: federicozose on October 16, 2009, 03:33:00 PM

Lite-on 838450c
drive from agoust 2009
xbox 360 from 2009-08-11
buy in USA

UNFLASHABLE!!!

(IMG:http://i.imagehost.org/0323/NEW_LITE-ON.jpg)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dragon45801 on October 16, 2009, 04:02:00 PM

This is probably a moot point but i ran into one of these drives yesterday and noticed something that intrigued me. The two white tray status wires were soldered to the pcb exactly opposite of previous 83850cs which were flashable. I desoldered the two wires and still could not get it to dump but i thought it noteworthy nonetheless.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 16, 2009, 04:06:00 PM

QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Oct 16 2009, 06:02 PM)

It doesn't matter if they are opposite, thats why the wires are the same color.
But A+ on your part for being very observant!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: federicozose on October 16, 2009, 05:11:00 PM

QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Oct 16 2009, 11:02 PM)

you mean that the yellow wires are crosed with the withe ones, may be if this wires are crossed means that the correc way to flash this drives is firs read with the tray half open and in the second part of the reading put the tray full closed (not open), but is just a tought, beacause if the wires are crossed the tray status reading may cahnge, sorry for mi english

PS: if someona coul chek it will be great (firs tray half open, second tray full closed and see waths hapen)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dragon45801 on October 16, 2009, 05:37:00 PM

QUOTE(federicozose @ Oct 16 2009, 07:11 PM)

no meant it as i said although i was not aware that it doesnt matter. makes sense though. thanks syntax for the info. i hope they figure out how to dump these.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 16, 2009, 09:27:00 PM

got someone bring in a repaired console dated 17-09-09 today, thought it would be unflashable, opened it up to find an august 83850, when ahead and tried anyway, only difference was my xtractor was fked and I used the xbox to power it up, to my surprise it dumped the key...
coincidence maybe or something worth looking at?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 17, 2009, 06:29:00 AM

QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Oct 16 2009, 09:42 AM)

I lol'd

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: posti on October 17, 2009, 07:18:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:27 AM)

only difference was my xtractor was fked and I used the xbox to power it up, to my surprise it dumped the key...
coincidence maybe or something worth looking at?

Tried using xbox to power the drive didn't help. You just got lucky and got one of those august drives that dumps key.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: wes302 on October 17, 2009, 09:28:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:27 AM)

will try it today.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 17, 2009, 11:53:00 AM

QUOTE(wes302 @ Oct 17 2009, 11:28 AM)

will try it today.

tried it and it's a NO GO!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 17, 2009, 07:33:00 PM

yeah thought that was the case, but just seemed stranged, 2 august from repair BEFORE this one didn't dump and this one was the latest and it did dump, had to fiddle with the tray a bit, pulled the power when the disc tray was on the way back in, pulling it when it was on the way out just meant it closed again when power was applied.
Worth a try I guess but it's probably not that easy..

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SNAAAKE on October 18, 2009, 11:04:00 AM

read the sticky above. its not "UNFLASHABLE!!!!!". I did another now worked perfect. only thing is the "doubts" I have. everyrthing looks smooth and works fine but what if..IF something didnt dump correctly for whatever reason. then I have an expensive ass brick lol. time to get a spare drive and test things first I guess.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jsawyer86 on October 18, 2009, 12:22:00 PM

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I don't know if the old 83850c hacked firmware would work but I jtagged my 360 and got the key (kernel 7350 i think). Im not sure if it is a good idea to flash this thing with the old 83850c firmware or not.... anyone?

BTW I'm a reader not a poster as you can tell lol
<<<<<

This post has been edited by jsawyer86: Oct 18 2009, 07:23 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 18, 2009, 06:19:00 PM

QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Oct 18 2009, 06:04 PM)

man what are you on about, there are flashable 83850s and unflashable ones, just because you got one to dump means you got LUCKY, c4e himself comfirmed the august ones couldn't be dumped.
what month were the ones you flashed made in.

judging by your post you haven't even FLASHED it yet. the people here have dumped and flashed heaps of 83850s, we're talking about the specific new ones that CANT be done.

This post has been edited by xboxer360: Oct 19 2009, 01:23 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 18, 2009, 07:26:00 PM

I am sure these new drives can be flashed just the same way all the previous Liteons can be flashed. It is getting the drive key and dump info that is the problem. Without getting this info flashing the drive is useless and will leave you with a bricked console.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jsawyer86 on October 19, 2009, 06:25:00 AM

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Oct 19 2009, 02:26 AM)

Im going to put the key into a hitachi and see what happens. BTW this is an August 83850.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: zhitnik on October 19, 2009, 11:37:00 AM

As I mentioned before, I also flashed an August 83850c recently. THERE ARE SOME AUGUST ONES THAT WILL WORK. Just because you have one, you cannot assume that everyone else is just stupid if they cant dump theirs. If you happened to get an August one that dumped, good for you, but don't count on it happening all the time. Good luck.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 20, 2009, 09:49:00 PM

QUOTE(jsawyer86 @ Oct 19 2009, 01:25 PM)

Im going to put the key into a hitachi and see what happens. BTW this is an August 83850.

if you can't get the key in the first place then how are you going to put it in a new drive? and if you CAN get the key then why wouldn't you just flash the liteon with it.

anyway got another august tried dumping powered by xbox no go, so I was just lucky to get a flashable august coincidently at the same time my maximus died.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: d4m4n on October 21, 2009, 12:12:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 21 2009, 06:49 AM)

It's a good practice to test the 83850 key in an other drive before you erase.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Cjc1706 on October 21, 2009, 06:24:00 AM

Just got an Aug 09 drive .... managed to dump and flash successfully using iPrep 10.7

CJ

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: hawk_dsl-komi on October 21, 2009, 09:30:00 AM

QUOTE(Cjc1706 @ Oct 21 2009, 04:24 PM)

managed to dump and flash successfully using iPrep 10.7

Trying with Jf/dosflash?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jsawyer86 on October 21, 2009, 09:42:00 AM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 21 2009, 04:49 AM)

I got the key through jtag (opus) not dumping it from the drive (not YET dumpable August 83850c). The key worked in a Hitachi 0079. I'm still waiting on flashing the 83850 till we find a better way.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 21, 2009, 10:36:00 AM

QUOTE(jsawyer86 @ Oct 21 2009, 11:42 AM)

I got the key through jtag (opus) not dumping it from the drive (not YET dumpable August 83850c). The key worked in a Hitachi 0079. I'm still waiting on flashing the 83850 till we find a better way.

The liteon will flash the same way as the other Liteons. As long as you have the drive key you should be able to flash away.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on October 21, 2009, 11:43:00 AM

but something must be different at the new drives.
So i think its not really a good idea to flash a 83850 "unmodable version" with an 83850 "modable firmware"
I hope you understand what i mean...

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 21, 2009, 12:07:00 PM

QUOTE(iglitare @ Oct 21 2009, 01:43 PM)

but something must be different at the new drives.
So i think its not really a good idea to flash a 83850 "unmodable version" with an 83850 "modable firmware"
I hope you understand what i mean...

I have been waiting to hear from someone that was unlucky enough to get a unreadable 83xxx but was lucky enough to have a exploitable motherboard/kernal

Ranger is of course correct, you could have flashed the drive but i am with you on this one. If you had a good 79 sitting around and its working then you are wise to take the wait and see approach.

Does anyone here think that c4eva and friends would be interested in looking at his motherboard dump for clues on what might be differnt with these new drives?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on October 21, 2009, 12:50:00 PM

QUOTE(iglitare @ Oct 21 2009, 01:43 PM)

I hope you understand what i mean...

Yes I do now. You are meaning spoof data may be different.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 21, 2009, 05:58:00 PM

an opus with an 83850? how is that possible besides repair center, and if it was repair center it would come back with CB1923?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: mhillaby on October 21, 2009, 06:09:00 PM

Just throwing my info in to the pool.

Drive 83850C July 2009
Console Elite mfg date 2009-08-12
Lot No 0933X Team FDOU

Same issues key extraction fails all 0's

Though I am a noob to the Lite-on drives

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: gotloveforall on October 21, 2009, 06:31:00 PM

I have done about 25 liteon 83850 so far. TWO of them I could not dump the keys. One a week ago and another today. I just finished doing another liteon 83850, went fine. sorry, did not check dates on the systems or drives.
Both were brand new bough from stores. Not refurbished by MS.

This post has been edited by gotloveforall: Oct 22 2009, 01:35 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xboxer360 on October 21, 2009, 06:32:00 PM

funny thing is got one from repair TODAY, MFR dated 19/10/09 with august drive , dumpable, maybe it was just a bad batch that couldn't be dumped? (one can only dream..)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 21, 2009, 06:39:00 PM

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Oct 21 2009, 07:58 PM)

an opus with an 83850? how is that possible besides repair center, and if it was repair center it would come back with CB1923?

I got one back from repair center in Toronto last week and it had the 83xxx and it still had the exploitable kernal/dash. I was actually dissapointed when the 83xxx was the hackable type becuase i wanted to be the one that said i got a unhackable 83xxx and i was able to get key from MB anyhow.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Gridern07 on October 21, 2009, 07:09:00 PM

how were you able to get the key from the motherboard?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on October 21, 2009, 07:27:00 PM

yes do tell... how did you dump the key from the MoBo...

last time i checked it took a lot of work and king kong orig. game to dump it... and even that way was not a 100% dump....

so please do tell

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: FalconLTD on October 21, 2009, 08:20:00 PM

only the xbox 360 xenon was hackable for a long while and most people who had one...we all know the problems. Just recently the falcon, opus and zephr became hackable and these are the models most of us own. Not to go off topic though.. The original nand is dumped onto the pc from the jtag hack. The key extraction program takes that nand dump and finds the dvd key in it.

This post has been edited by FalconLTD: Oct 22 2009, 03:38 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xxpittbullxx on October 21, 2009, 09:37:00 PM

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Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: mkgb on October 22, 2009, 05:53:00 AM

2 new 16d2s-09C 83850 on hand without success.
more and more of these around.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: CBR900cc on October 22, 2009, 05:59:00 AM

anyone know any solution for this new release of liteon 83850c ??? I've 80 italian xbox with this problem...

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: weemax on October 22, 2009, 06:58:00 AM

So far I have had 4 83850 Aug 09 drives in Sept consoles & all were flashable. Seems to be luck of the draw & I've been very lucky.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: hkmonster on October 22, 2009, 10:00:00 AM

(IMG:http://img1.a9vg.com/200910/22/1256227131491.jpg)

a new model liteon rom, 93450C

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: HyperUK on October 22, 2009, 10:02:00 AM

I have a Modern Warfare 2 Super Elite console on preorder and am slightly worried it may come with one of these new drives,

What do you think the chances are?

Thanks.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: d4m4n on October 22, 2009, 10:10:00 AM

QUOTE(HyperUK @ Oct 22 2009, 07:02 PM)

I have a Modern Warfare 2 Super Elite console on preorder and am slightly worried it may come with one of these new drives,

What do you think the chances are?

Thanks.

99.99% chance to get a new unmoddable LiteOn. All new Elite packs (like Elite 120GB Value Bundle with Lego Batman and PURE) I have seen have the new LiteOn.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Cjc1706 on October 22, 2009, 04:25:00 PM

QUOTE(hawk_dsl-komi @ Oct 21 2009, 04:30 PM)

Trying with Jf/dosflash?

Used dosflash mate

CJ

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: HyperUK on October 22, 2009, 04:41:00 PM

QUOTE(d4m4n @ Oct 22 2009, 05:10 PM)

99.99% chance to get a new unmoddable LiteOn. All new Elite packs (like Elite 120GB Value Bundle with Lego Batman and PURE) I have seen have the new LiteOn.

Do you think these drives will be modded or have Liteon really done it this time!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: radyboysmith on October 22, 2009, 06:32:00 PM

i have a june 2009 version of the liteon that i just recieved from micro service center.
this is what i am getting

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta
Session Started Fri Oct 23 11:27:33 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 2 x 32 bit CPUs
PortIO is installed and running.
Found 4 I/O Ports.
Found 1 Com Ports.
Found 4 windows drives A: C: E: S:
Found 0 CD/DVD drives

Sending DVDKey request to I/O port 0xEC00 and COM1

................ Serial Data is bad,

DVDkey files extraction aborted!

Sending DVDKey request to I/O port 0xEC00 and COM1

................ Serial Data is bad,

DVDkey files extraction aborted!

Sending DVDKey request to I/O port 0xEC00 and COM1

................ Serial Data is bad,

DVDkey files extraction aborted!

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xEC00

............
...............
0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To
0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61 The Birth Of Ma
0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February
0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF Twelve 2007 ...
0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
0050: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................
0060: 07 37 A7 68 24 90 2A 0B - A0 5A 47 1F 2F 45 7B A7 .7.h$.*..ZG./E{.

................ Extract no.2 doesn't match!
Aborting!

LO83info extraction Failed!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: radyboysmith on October 22, 2009, 06:43:00 PM

i tried also the old liteon drives and still not working .

i wonder if my max3232 has died ??

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on October 22, 2009, 06:59:00 PM

QUOTE(radyboysmith @ Oct 22 2009, 08:43 PM)

i tried also the old liteon drives and still not working .

i wonder if my max3232 has died ??

Are you trying to hack a lite-on 83xxx or a 74xxx ?

It looks to me like you are trying to use the 83xxx method on a 74xxx

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 22, 2009, 11:56:00 PM

after using that jtag hack to get the key of a older console from repair center etc with one of these new drives. would it not be possible to figure out how the firmware was encrypted as part of the encrypted dump is already know? surely if you know what the solution to the problem it makes it much easier to decrypt. yes, no?

some things im not sure about, is the key etc all contained in the binary code on the chip in one location within the original firmware or is it in separate parts, eg this is why we get 3 different files when we make a dump. we can rebuild the serial info manually and get the key with jtag.
what really confuses me the most is why the key and serial information is returned "only" why cant the whole firmware be dumped over sata. i bet the original firmware would contain information about how to dump over sata??

anyway if someone wants to let me know by pm etc how i can go further now i have the chip exposed would be great. i have all the equipment one would need at the science center at uni. and cant really be bother paying the professionals to read the chips, or reading a thousand articles to find out the method that was used, if someone can let me know i will give it a try.

surly the 74 firmware and 83 had to be dumped to make the firmware right, did they actually read the firmware of the silicon manually or dump it electronically. as i have a 83850c drive with the black stuff removed of the chip with acid and there is some wires etc and a small what looks like a silicon square inside. would i read this with a high power microscope or something, or connect these wires to some external programmer? i know noob, but if can get a push in the right direction i can surly read this image, even if it is manually lol.
i don't really want to hear this is two hard, or leave to the pro's as just playing around for fun really. I also have computer science degree and chemistry degree and all the equipment needed, and to much time to waist.
im positive other people know how to dump the firmware as this should be the same method that was used for the original liteon right, problem with this drive is its not liking the dump commands sent via computer. so we need to go back and read it manually again however this was achieved and then go from there.

most of the hard work has been done with flashing these drives already, as i remember the keys of the original liteon were dumped pretty quickly, just took like 8 months to figure out how to flash it.
the new 83850c drives can be flashed but cant read etc with normal methods. the old hacked 83850c firmware is compatible with jtag keys and serial number on xbox live by the way, just have to hex edit an old dummy bin with the new keys and serial and put into the original 83850c firmware, but this still leaves us shit out of luck for any new japer consoles. as you all know you can even put that 83850c firmware onto the original 74xxx lite on. 99.99% positive the hardware is identical.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 23, 2009, 12:25:00 AM

QUOTE(radyboysmith @ Oct 23 2009, 01:32 PM)

i have a june 2009 version of the liteon that i just recieved from micro service center.
this is what i am getting

HOW COME THE FIRST THREE LINES SAY SENDING DVD REQUEST. and then the last one said sending LO83info? did you not power cycle the drive the second time as this why your key would not match?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on October 23, 2009, 04:20:00 AM

QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Oct 23 2009, 01:59 PM)

Are you trying to hack a lite-on 83xxx or a 74xxx ?
It looks to me like you are trying to use the 83xxx method on a 74xxx

ops sorry dude just noticed you had already answered him.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: mp3boy on October 23, 2009, 10:11:00 AM

Just got a new Super Elite 250GB Forza pack.

Manufacture date 25/09/09
Lot 0941
Bought in Gamestation, UK

Flashable July 09 LiteOn inside (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by mp3boy: Oct 23 2009, 05:12 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Hezam on October 23, 2009, 02:08:00 PM

I have a problem...my drive is Lite-On 83850c
i got the three bin keys (Key.bin,identify.bin,inquiry.bin) but i did not get the dummy.bin
and i could not spoof the key !
i spoof it manually by jungleflahser and i wrote it by floppy disk but it did not play the copy games !!
also the tray can not be opened !!
Please i need your help as soon as possible !

This post has been edited by Hezam: Oct 23 2009, 09:09 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DARKFiB3R on October 23, 2009, 03:19:00 PM

QUOTE(mp3boy @ Oct 23 2009, 03:11 PM)

Just got a new Super Elite 250GB Forza pack.

Manufacture date 25/09/09
Lot 0941
Bought in Gamestation, UK

Flashable July 09 LiteOn inside

Dude, dump your hddss.bin

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: delawaare on October 24, 2009, 06:29:00 AM

Same problem over here in Germany.

I just Bought 10 xbox today with the 2 games .. Pure and Lego batman.
We did buy 48 pcs last week. all of them did work..
Now i tryed to flash these 10 pcs I bought today.
3 of them with 83850c Build August 2009 dont work. I cant dump them with lo83info DOS command.
I only use this method. because Jungle Flasher method doesnt work so good for me.
You can believe me i have dumped allready some 100 and more 83 drives.
Bute these 3 are not possible to DUMP
One thing is very Funny.
7 of the Elite we bought were MFR DATE 2009-08-29
and these 3 which are not DUMP ABLE have MFR Date 2009-08-20
they were build / produced 9 days before.
i dont understand that.. maybe M$ has no system how to install the NON MODABLE 83 drives.

Hope that these 83 drives will be hacked soon. Otherwise we have a big problem from this winter.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on October 24, 2009, 07:04:00 AM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Oct 23 2009, 07:25 AM)

HOW COME THE FIRST THREE LINES SAY SENDING DVD REQUEST. and then the last one said sending LO83info? did you not power cycle the drive the second time as this why your key would not match?

Because he tried DVDKey 3 times?

His method fails, drive is hackable.

He gets the ciphertext on dump one, thats what is vital.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: slimgrip on October 24, 2009, 10:42:00 AM

QUOTE(mp3boy @ Oct 23 2009, 05:11 PM)

Just got a new Super Elite 250GB Forza pack.

Manufacture date 25/09/09
Lot 0941
Bought in Gamestation, UK

Flashable July 09 LiteOn inside

Ditto, did 250gb elite last night, mid sept mfr date with July 2009 liteon 83850 drive - flashable. (Couldnt remember exact mfr date)

Another 250gb Elite today, Sept 3rd Mfr date with August 2009 83850 liteon - flashable

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: fitsman on October 25, 2009, 02:42:00 AM

Does anyone find a success way to dump the new liteon fw-83850c August 2009?
If it does can tell us the complete guide for this success?

A lot of thanks.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: KingsGambit on October 25, 2009, 05:04:00 AM

QUOTE(slimgrip @ Oct 24 2009, 06:42 PM)

Ditto, did 250gb elite last night, mid sept mfr date with July 2009 liteon 83850 drive - flashable. (Couldnt remember exact mfr date)

To third this, I was able to (eventually) mod a brand new Super Elite from the Forza pack. July 2009 83850C lite-on drive. My first...iPrep is so gooood

Bought yesterday 24/10/09.

Bought from Game, UK
Lot: 0941

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on October 25, 2009, 05:25:00 AM

Now all we need is for someone to rip a HDDSS.bin from a 250GB drive and upload it for us

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: thestanleycup on October 25, 2009, 09:16:00 AM

cant believe that after 19 pages of replies , people are still posting about their success insuccess stories about july aug 83850C drive, just read the posts everyday until a solution for this 2nd gen 83850C drive comes out !!! C4E is workin on it

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ninjakok on October 25, 2009, 11:14:00 PM

i suppose xbox-scene was a professional forum.
however last MONTH, after i reported a confirmation for the 2nd gen of 83850c and the 09c version which they post on the front page today, i was FUCKed by those newbies

so i giveup update my news here. i cannot tell where i work but.. anyway.. really disappointing

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: slimgrip on October 26, 2009, 02:15:00 AM

QUOTE(ninjakok @ Oct 26 2009, 05:14 AM)

You confirmed NOTHING that hadnt already been posted in this thread when u opened up another thread that got closed!
You then claimed to have pics of the new drive FW number but failed to deliver so what did you expect?

If you want the GLORY provide the evidence!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Toddler on October 26, 2009, 03:00:00 AM

QUOTE(slimgrip @ Oct 26 2009, 03:15 AM)

I followed it like everybody else, and turns out ninjakok was spot-on. He simply posted what he observed, and because it was new, people jumped down his throat and said he didn't know what he was doing or was lying. So what if he had posted pics? Everybody would have just said it was Photoshopped. I don't think he gave a damn about glory. He was content to play it cool, shut up and let time prove him right.

I don't blame him a bit for feeling bitter, the general reaction at times makes people understandably not want to contribute and take shit for it.

This post has been edited by Toddler: Oct 26 2009, 10:04 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: UnnA^ on October 26, 2009, 03:18:00 AM

I agree, even if he had of posted pics every man and his fucking dog would have just screamed photo shopped like all the other pics of drives that have been posted....

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: robo989 on October 26, 2009, 03:18:00 AM

QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 26 2009, 10:00 AM)

Oh come on, get real. If we believed everything everyone posted can you imagine how ridiculous a situation that would create?

People like this ninjakok guy pop up every now and again. 99% of the time they are talking shit, if we believed them off the bat that just encourage more of them. If I register on an "extra terrestrial" lifeforum forum an tell 'em I've been abducted by aliens what do you think their reaction would be? Give us some fuckin pics? Details? Proof?....!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: qbarulz on October 26, 2009, 06:35:00 AM

QUOTE(KingsGambit @ Oct 25 2009, 01:04 PM)

To third this, I was able to (eventually) mod a brand new Super Elite from the Forza pack. July 2009 83850C lite-on drive. My first...iPrep is so gooood

Bought yesterday 24/10/09.

Bought from Game, UK
Lot: 0941

HI

i dont know if its some of my luck or what but i did already 4 of them forza pack lo 0935 from 25 aug
2 from 09 09 09 and.... all of them work just fine. maybe its mine config>??

maybe i do something in right order? i dont know

btw . i did a LOT of those in the past so im not a newbie.

ps. it was 09c revision

i have to admit that it works after 10-30 times of trinig but it works. cheers.

maybe i ll post my config later.

cheers

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: delawaare on October 26, 2009, 06:49:00 AM

QUOTE(qbarulz @ Oct 26 2009, 02:35 PM)

i have to admit that it works after 10-30 times of trinig but it works. cheers.

cheers

what do you mean with that
did you try one 83 drive 30 times and after that you could dump it ?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: qbarulz on October 26, 2009, 08:39:00 AM

QUOTE(delawaare @ Oct 26 2009, 02:49 PM)

what do you mean with that
did you try one 83 drive 30 times and after that you could dump it ?

yea.

sometimes 30 times dumping key, 5-10 times to erease and write instantly

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: delawaare on October 26, 2009, 08:47:00 AM

QUOTE(qbarulz @ Oct 26 2009, 04:39 PM)

yea.

sometimes 30 times dumping key, 5-10 times to erease and write instantly

do you use the doscommand or the windows Jungle flasher ?
I use only the DOS Command lo83info.exe
is it maybe a matter of timing ?
I am used that the dos command works by every try.
I did only try these new 83 drives 3 times and after that i gave up.
maybe you found the right timing of the new drives.
Do you have a Idea how ?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: delawaare on October 26, 2009, 09:12:00 AM

I did try it now 30 times. On JUNGLE FLASHER and with DOS
it will never dump the key for me..
there must be a other new way how to dump it.
Maybe the jungleflasher or the lo83info command has to be new programmed

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: slimgrip on October 26, 2009, 10:23:00 AM

QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 26 2009, 09:00 AM)

Did you see the thread the same as this one that got closed? Closed coz it was a dupe of this thread with nothing new that hadnt already been reported here.

He then created the other thread promising to post pics of the new 94 FW later that day.
Members waited for the pics but they never materialized & thats when he was rightfully doubted!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ninjakok on October 26, 2009, 12:16:00 PM

QUOTE(slimgrip @ Oct 26 2009, 09:15 AM)

i dont need the so call GLORY, i just ramdomly visit and provide my info that i got
anyway, ur dearest xbox-scene already posted the evidence u need 1 month later.. hoho

QUOTE(UnnA^ @ Oct 26 2009, 10:18 AM)

I agree, even if he had of posted pics every man and his fucking dog would have just screamed photo shopped like all the other pics of drives that have been posted....

thank you but i can understand the other, but too many "fuck" make me.. anyway
i can share u guys info but i cannot make any risk to me JOB.

so, pls understand me too

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: K0ld4 on October 26, 2009, 01:37:00 PM

Well... I am reporting next Flashable July 2009 83850c drive.
MFR Drive 21-08-2009
... but, i have kernel 7363....
According to this i think i have new bootloader preventing jtag hack.

I think MS has experimented in July/August and units built in this months have at least one of exploits (JTAG hack or spoofable drive)

So stay tuned, i think that JTAG hack for jasper will be released...

This post has been edited by K0ld4: Oct 26 2009, 08:39 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DaveTO on October 26, 2009, 03:12:00 PM

I'm in the market for an Xbox360 Elite. Went through half of Toronto looking for a Jasper Elite unit made prior to August, couldnt find anything (perhaps they don't exist).

What's the likelyhood of this new drive getting hacked anytime soon? and where would I find updates on this?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Moots on October 26, 2009, 03:27:00 PM

Just picked up an Arcade to replace my old box. My liteon 83850c is unflashable aswell. Just called my little brother, (His from bestbuy, just 4 days ago) had to break his little heart, same problem. Both Canadian.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: juntistik on October 30, 2009, 11:24:00 AM

MFR date: 08-13-09
Drive: 83850c (Aug09)
Lot: 0932x
team: CSON

Came bundled with Lego:Batman and Pure

DOES NOT DUMP KEY!

This post has been edited by juntistik: Oct 30 2009, 06:26 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Boomer on October 30, 2009, 01:10:00 PM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Oct 29 2009, 10:43 PM)

hey i just got a 7/2006 version non hdmi with a samsung and i was able to flash it.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)

please for the love of modding stop posting.. unless you have new info do not post... we all know there are some liteon 8xxxx that can and can not be flashed ok got it take a photo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/iamwithstupid.gif) .... slap your momma... WE GET IT

STOP POSTING THE SAME INFO or xbox scene modding gods close (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) this thread it is not 23 pages when 4 would have been enough...

until you can say... click this link to download the next wave 4 firmware.... please stop posting
thank you

Thankyou, I agree completely this a complete fucking waste of my time. I come back to this thread to see if the new drive issue has been resolved but instead I see the same god damn posts from different people on every damn page.

Mannix58 you're an idiot. having over 100 different people post the same shit isn't helpful in any shape or form. 5-10 times is plenty to know that there is obviously an issue. Especially if some of those posters have been in the community for a long time and are well respected. We don't need people signing up just to say hey my july/august '09 drive won't flash when more then enough people have posted the exact same thing already on the first few pages. Get a grip buddy.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 01, 2009, 08:13:00 AM

I've successfully dumped two July 09 drives, one was fresh from the repair centre, the other was a 250gb Super Elite (single heatsink).

Here are the logs if anyone is interested, the first is from the repair centre console, the second from the Super Elite:

CODE

JungleFlasher 0.1.66 Beta

Session Started Thu Oct 22 09:04:44 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs

PortIO is installed and running.

Found 8 I/O Ports.

Found 2 Com Ports.

Found 3 windows drives C: D: E:

Found 1 CD/DVD drives E:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xAF00

............

.

0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To

0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61  The Birth Of Ma

0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February

0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF  Twelve 2007 ...

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0050: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0060: 70 F2 8D EB 15 8E 7B 87 - C6 64 99 8D 65 F8 74 75 p.....{..d..e.tu

............. Extract no.2 matches

0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS

0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S

0020: 38 33 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 32 44 36 30 39 43 47 83850CA0A2D609CG

0030: 39 32 34 38 31 34 30 30 - 43 37 51 20 20 20 00 00 92481400C7Q   ..

0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0000: C0 85 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0010: 00 00 00 00 44 36 30 39 - 43 47 39 32 34 38 31 34 ....D609CG924814

0020: 30 30 43 37 51 20 20 20 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 33 38 00C7Q   ......38

0030: 35 38 43 30 20 20 4C 50 - 53 44 20 20 20 20 47 44 58C0  LPSD    GD

0040: 31 2D 44 36 53 32 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 1-D6S2

0050: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00               ..

0060: 00 00 00 0B 00 00 00 04 - 00 02 06 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0080: 03 00 78 00 78 00 E3 00 - 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..x.x...x.......

0090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 02 02 00 00 68 00 00 00 ............h...

00A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

00B0: 20 20 00 00                                         ..

0000: 44 36 30 39 43 47 39 32 - 34 38 31 34 30 30 43 37 D609CG92481400C7

0010: 51 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 39 46 30 31 30 37 35 32 Q   ....9F010752

0020: 31 36 42 33 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 39 16B314XXA0..S4P9

0030: 35 33 31 30 30 30 30 30 - 30 30 39 37 32 34 00 00 53100000009724..

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 32 FF FF ............A2..

Extracted drive key *******************************

Dummy.bin file saved to C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\Temp FW\Dummy.bin

Loading DVDkey source file

Inquiry string found

Identify string found

DVD key found @ 0xA030 key is **********************************

Firmware is a Lite-On Dummy OSIG:

Firmware type is: LO83info Extract

Auto-Loading target file C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\JungleFlasher v0.1.66 Beta\firmware\ix16-liteon838.bin

Target File MD5 hash is:  bc61fac4efd37b69f88dfabe6e104117

Genuine Lite-On 83850c iXtreme 1.6

Inquiry area found

Current DVD key is 55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA

Firmware is a Lite-On encrypted iXtreme OSIG: PLDS    DG-16D2S        8385

Firmware type is: iXtreme v1.60-12X-FINAL-DG-16D2S

DVD Key copied to target

Inquiry string copied from Source to Target

Identify string copied from Source to Target

Serial strings copied from Source to Target

Key database updated

Sending Lite-On-Erase request to port 0xAF00

..............

Drive returned Status 0xD0

....................

Device Intro failed!

Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xAF00

Serial flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Device ID request to port 0xAF00

Manufacturer ID: 0xFF

Device ID: 0xFF

Flash Name:  Unknown type

Flash Size:  n/a

Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xAF00

Status 0xF2

Re-sending Vendor Intro:

.....

Serial flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Device ID request to port 0xAF00

Manufacturer ID: 0xC2

Device ID: 0x11

Flash Name:  MXIC(MX25L2005)

Flash Size:  262144 bytes

Getting Status from port 0xAF00

SPi flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Chip Erase to Port 0xAF00

Writing target buffer to flash

Writing Bank 0: ................

Writing Bank 1: ................

Writing Bank 2: ................

Writing Bank 3: ................

Flash Verification Test !

Reading Bank 0: ................

Reading Bank 1: ................

Reading Bank 2: ................

Reading Bank 3: ................

Write verified OK !

Sending Vendor Outro to port 0xAF00

CODE

JungleFlasher 0.1.67 Beta

Session Started Sun Nov 01 14:46:46 2009

This is a 32 bit process running on 4 x 32 bit CPUs

PortIO is installed and running.

Found 8 I/O Ports.

Found 2 Com Ports.

Found 3 windows drives C: D: E:

Found 1 CD/DVD drives E:

Sending LO83info request to I/O port 0xAF00

............

................

0000: 49 6E 20 44 65 64 69 63 - 61 74 69 6F 6E 20 54 6F In Dedication To

0010: 20 54 68 65 20 42 69 72 - 74 68 20 4F 66 20 4D 61  The Birth Of Ma

0020: 63 6B 61 79 20 4F 6E 20 - 46 65 62 72 75 61 72 79 ckay On February

0030: 20 54 77 65 6C 76 65 20 - 32 30 30 37 20 FF FF FF  Twelve 2007 ...

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ................

0050: 4D 49 4B 45 20 4C 4F 56 - 45 53 20 48 45 4C 45 4E MIKE LOVES HELEN

0060: 89 BF BF AB 8F 4D 01 3C - 88 D2 03 C3 BE 5E D2 89 .....M.<.....^..

............. Extract no.2 matches

0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS

0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S

0020: 38 33 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 32 44 36 30 39 43 47 83850CA0A2D609CG

0030: 39 32 39 38 31 35 30 30 - 42 48 45 20 20 20 00 00 92981500BHE   ..

0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0000: C0 85 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0010: 00 00 00 00 44 36 30 39 - 43 47 39 32 39 38 31 35 ....D609CG929815

0020: 30 30 42 48 45 20 20 20 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 33 38 00BHE   ......38

0030: 35 38 43 30 20 20 4C 50 - 53 44 20 20 20 20 47 44 58C0  LPSD    GD

0040: 31 2D 44 36 53 32 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 1-D6S2

0050: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00               ..

0060: 00 00 00 0B 00 00 00 04 - 00 02 06 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

0080: 03 00 78 00 78 00 E3 00 - 78 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..x.x...x.......

0090: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 02 02 00 00 68 00 00 00 ............h...

00A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

00B0: 20 20 00 00                                         ..

0000: 44 36 30 39 43 47 39 32 - 39 38 31 35 30 30 42 48 D609CG92981500BH

0010: 45 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 39 47 31 33 30 31 31 37 E   ....9G130117

0020: 31 36 4A 34 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 39 16J414XXA0..S4P9

0030: 37 31 33 30 30 30 30 30 - 30 38 32 32 32 33 00 00 71300000082223..

0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 32 FF FF ............A2..

Extracted drive key ********************************

Dummy.bin file saved to C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\Temp FW\Dummy.bin

Loading DVDkey source file

Inquiry string found

Identify string found

DVD key found @ 0xA030 key is *************************************

Firmware is a Lite-On Dummy OSIG:

Firmware type is: LO83info Extract

Auto-Loading target file C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop\JungleFlasher v0.1.67 Beta (50)\firmware\ix16-liteon838.bin

Target File MD5 hash is:  bc61fac4efd37b69f88dfabe6e104117

Genuine Lite-On 83850c iXtreme 1.6

Inquiry area found

Current DVD key is 55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA55AA

Firmware is a Lite-On encrypted iXtreme OSIG: PLDS    DG-16D2S        8385

Firmware type is: iXtreme v1.60-12X-FINAL-DG-16D2S

DVD Key copied to target

Inquiry string copied from Source to Target

Identify string copied from Source to Target

Serial strings copied from Source to Target

Key database updated

Sending Lite-On-Erase request to port 0xAF00

..............

Drive returned Status 0xD0

....................

Device Intro failed!

Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xAF00

Serial flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Device ID request to port 0xAF00

Manufacturer ID: 0xFF

Device ID: 0xFF

Flash Name:  Unknown type

Flash Size:  n/a

Sending Vendor Intro to port 0xAF00

Status 0xF2

Re-sending Vendor Intro:

......

Serial flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Device ID request to port 0xAF00

Manufacturer ID: 0xC2

Device ID: 0x11

Flash Name:  MXIC(MX25L2005)

Flash Size:  262144 bytes

Getting Status from port 0xAF00

SPi flash found with Status 0x72

Sending Chip Erase to Port 0xAF00

Writing target buffer to flash

Writing Bank 0: ................

Writing Bank 1: ................

Writing Bank 2: ................

Writing Bank 3: ................

Flash Verification Test !

Reading Bank 0: ................

Reading Bank 1: ................

Reading Bank 2: ................

Reading Bank 3: ................

Write verified OK !

Sending Vendor Outro to port 0xAF00

Sorry if this offends anyone for 'repeating the same shit', but I figure the more info the better.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: HyperUK on November 01, 2009, 01:16:00 PM

What are peoples thoughts on the Modern Warfare Super Elite then, think it will have this new drive and be no good or will we just have to wait and see?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: high five on November 01, 2009, 01:36:00 PM

t chance I get unflashable liteon from refurb form MS repair, its coming from tennesse not texas

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 01, 2009, 02:08:00 PM

You forgot to edit out your serial numbers.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Vincengoal on November 01, 2009, 03:39:00 PM

QUOTE(Takashi @ Nov 1 2009, 10:08 PM)

You forgot to edit out your serial numbers.

Hello,

I have an Xbox 360 since last week with the LiteOn 09c in 82,350 v2 unflashable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
It comes from the arcade pack without play dvd.
And now this drive landed in France just before Christmas! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/gift.gif)
If I understand correctly, the DVDkey is in case he should repair the drive for M$.
And if he had decided to delete this key and lay DVDplayers who failed ?
The amount of money wasted on buying games and the problems they have on Pick up the Xbox cost them perhaps more expensive than changing the player directly, especially if the target gives a high in terms of ppm to LiteOn, your supplier.
Could it be that this drive remains unflashable? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
Thank you in advance for your answers and thank you again for this forum!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 01, 2009, 03:51:00 PM

QUOTE(Vincengoal @ Nov 1 2009, 11:39 PM)

Could it be that this drive remains unflashable? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

Every drive is flashable. The problem is getting the DVD Key.

There is no problem flashing this drive.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: acDCuk on November 02, 2009, 01:04:00 PM

Looks like bad news i'm afraid:

QUOTE(Iriez @ #fw on EFNet @ Nov 2 2009, 08:00 PM)

[19:40:38] <acDC> Iriez any news on 83850c v2?
[19:41:31] <Iriez> unfortunately
[19:41:33] <Iriez> i have no updates
[19:42:02] <Iriez> i can tell you guys this
[19:42:06] <Iriez> new liteon = bad news.
[19:42:24] <Iriez> and the shitty thing is
[19:42:31] <Iriez> no one's going to believe us
[19:42:37] <Iriez> because of all the crap that went on with the last release
[19:42:51] <Iriez> there's no key output
[19:42:53] <Iriez> at all.
[19:42:55] <Iriez> zero.
[19:42:59] <Iriez> completely removed.
[19:43:07] <Iriez> so
[19:43:07] <acDC> has it been decapped
[19:43:12] <Iriez> oh of course
[19:43:17] <Iriez> we've had the fw for well over a month
[19:43:29] <Iriez> us getting the fw is no problem
[19:43:31] <Iriez> but
[19:43:34] <Iriez> for YOU guys
[19:43:37] <Iriez> its a problem (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[19:43:39] <Iriez> a big big one
[19:44:26] <Iriez> so
[19:44:29] <Iriez> basically
[19:44:36] <Iriez> We might have to go to the full deal
[19:44:42] <Iriez> installing Cygnos
[19:44:45] <Iriez> doing full dumps
[19:44:48] <Iriez> to retrieve dvd key
[19:44:57] <Iriez> how bad is that shit?
[19:47:52] <Iriez> MS/LiteOn has officially patched all the holes
[19:47:58] <Iriez> and
[19:48:03] <Iriez> had the last series not gone public
[19:48:07] <Iriez> we might have prevented that
[19:48:12] <Iriez> but now its REALLY closed.
[19:48:22] <Iriez> so
[19:48:29] <Iriez> we can write our own 'key engine'
[19:48:31] <Iriez> so to speak
[19:48:41] <Iriez> but we still need a way to retrieve orig key
[19:48:50] <Iriez> which cannot be done anymore
[19:49:00] <Iriez> anyways
[19:49:04] <Iriez> everyones hard at work
[19:49:10] <Iriez> trying to find a different way to get this sob key

This post has been edited by acDCuk: Nov 2 2009, 09:05 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: high five on November 02, 2009, 01:11:00 PM

wow that sucks,,, so no key output at all.... damn, MS steppin up

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: sandeman22 on November 02, 2009, 01:21:00 PM

QUOTE(high five @ Nov 2 2009, 09:11 PM)

wow that sucks,,, so no key output at all.... damn, MS steppin up

whahaha, just want to put it here.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: high five on November 02, 2009, 01:22:00 PM

QUOTE(sandeman22 @ Nov 2 2009, 09:21 PM)

whahaha, just want to put it here.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

? put what here

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: sandeman22 on November 02, 2009, 01:26:00 PM

QUOTE(high five @ Nov 2 2009, 09:22 PM)

? put what here

the bad news on the Lite-on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ilscuro on November 02, 2009, 01:39:00 PM

QUOTE(sandeman22 @ Nov 2 2009, 08:21 PM)

whahaha, just want to put it here.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Do you by any chance work for M$?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on November 02, 2009, 01:40:00 PM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i remember that lite on drives where unflashable.. and everyone said it cant be done ya ya ya ya ya there is always a way.. just give the masters sme time and they will crack it

GO XBOX MOD GODS DO YOUR THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 02, 2009, 02:10:00 PM

I agree, it's too early to tell. The first lite-ons took what six months to be hacked. Just give the masters more time.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on November 02, 2009, 03:55:00 PM

It took 2 months, to obtain the drive key.

Thats all that is really important to hacking the drive.

iXtreme will inevitibly follow any key extraction.

When the chip is decapped, and code looked at - With no holes found, its a fair assumption to say "There are no holes"

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MVPd on November 02, 2009, 04:14:00 PM

I know they're saying there is no key output. Im sure its not this simple but I have a question, how does the motherboard know what key is on the drive, surly there must be some form out output between the drive and the motherboard. Probably not that simple, but just wondering

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 02, 2009, 04:18:00 PM

QUOTE(MVPd @ Nov 2 2009, 06:14 PM)

The data in encrypted from the drive using the drive key. When the encrypted data is received from the drive it can the be decrypted with the matching drive key on the motherboard. If the keys don't match then the data cant be decrypted and the game don't play. There is no need to send the key across the sata cable since the console already knows the key.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: dangal on November 02, 2009, 05:33:00 PM

if OggyUK said that,im with him

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: trick91 on November 03, 2009, 06:54:00 AM

im guessing all consoles sent to MS repair will start to come with these new drives as well. looks like MS finally got things right.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 03, 2009, 07:03:00 AM

QUOTE(trick91 @ Nov 3 2009, 02:54 PM)

im guessing all consoles sent to MS repair will start to come with these new drives as well. looks like MS finally got things right.

MS will get it right when you have no need to backup your games to begin with.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 03, 2009, 08:54:00 AM

QUOTE(trick91 @ Nov 3 2009, 01:54 PM)

looks like MS finally got things right.

It looks that way doesn't it. They made a massive leap forward with the Liteon undumpable chipset, then ironed out a couple of holes along the way and BAM, a truly unhackable drive.

How interesting that we'll have a situation where one person will have a hackable xbox and another one won't. Has this ever happened before in the history of consoles? If MS ban all the users with iXtreme, and they then go out and buy a new console with an unhackable drive, then MS wins. This is sounding like the beginning of the end for iXtreme dev.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 03, 2009, 09:00:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 3 2009, 04:54 PM)

It is too early to call it quits. The first Lite-on were not dumped over night. Give them time, they will succeed.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: raymondo1 on November 03, 2009, 09:23:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 3 2009, 06:00 PM)

It is too early to call it quits. The first Lite-on were not dumped over night. Give them time, they will succeed.

yes but this drive has been dumped. and there is no key

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: MoorePower on November 03, 2009, 09:48:00 AM

no they tried to dump it and got no key... they key could have moved... could be encripted differently...

this drive is less then 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks old and its funny how non hackers are flooding posts saying oh no its unhackable.... if its a dead end? why are they still working on the drive? why are they trying new and different ways to dump the key?

everyone needs to chill out and quit posting when they have nothing new to add.... thank you

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 03, 2009, 09:54:00 AM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Nov 3 2009, 04:48 PM)

everyone needs to chill out and quit posting when they have nothing new to add.... thank you

discussion forum etc etc.. As Oggy said, when code has been dumped and there are no holes, it's safe to assume you won't be hacking that drive any time soon. The Liteon was a massive step up in terms of effort to extract code / find holes and now it looks like MS may have finally managed an unhackable drive, or at least one that would require a far longer time scale in order to find an exploit should one exist.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 03, 2009, 01:39:00 PM

QUOTE(MoorePower @ Nov 3 2009, 11:48 AM)

everyone needs to chill out and quit posting when they have nothing new to add.... thank you

lol ^^^ nothing new to add either, :/

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 03, 2009, 02:14:00 PM

Rick Astley is Lame and old. thanks jackass.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: shtewps on November 03, 2009, 02:19:00 PM

QUOTE(Takashi @ Nov 3 2009, 10:14 PM)

Rick Astley is Lame and old. thanks jackass.

This thread deserved it.. And clearly you fell for it.. so stfu and get rolled' on.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: PandaNL on November 03, 2009, 03:30:00 PM

Had today a new 360 from the forza pack, with the removed heat pipes. It was a lite-on 838 augustus but i could still flash it using jf.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jsawyer86 on November 03, 2009, 06:56:00 PM

Meh I dont think i would buy an "unhackable" 360 even if that meant no more xbl. There are alternatives to xbl.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: chaldod826 on November 03, 2009, 07:09:00 PM

just got the elite bundle pack with lego batman and forza, it has the liteon 93450c.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 03, 2009, 07:54:00 PM

QUOTE(chaldod826 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:09 AM)

just got the elite bundle pack with lego batman and forza, it has the liteon 93450c.

Just a friendly request, if people are gonna give this info at least include the country of origin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ghen on November 03, 2009, 08:39:00 PM

QUOTE(chaldod826 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:09 PM)

just got the elite bundle pack with lego batman and forza, it has the liteon 93450c.

93450c is still a rumor, post a picture.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 03, 2009, 09:05:00 PM

QUOTE(ghen @ Nov 3 2009, 10:39 PM)

93450c is still a rumor, post a picture.

Picture has already been posted in the 93450c thread and has been reported by multiple sources.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syntaxerror329 on November 03, 2009, 09:07:00 PM

QUOTE(ghen @ Nov 3 2009, 11:39 PM)

93450c is still a rumor, post a picture.

Sorry dude, its real. Got one at Wal Mart in Niagara Falls, ON last week. Up until I got it i thought it was a lie too. I wish it was.

Also look at my post count and how long i have been a member and the fact that i run a mod business. When someone like me says its real you don't need a picture.

If you really want a picture email me and i will send you a 10 megapixel photo of it. All the other photos are 640x480 with heavy compression so they look fake. Some posted by members with a 3 post count.

greg(at)boxxdr(dot)com

EDIT: See even ranger knows its true and he trumps me for post count and membership length.

This post has been edited by syntaxerror329: Nov 4 2009, 05:08 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: idog on November 04, 2009, 01:58:00 AM

Had a 93450c in the Netherlands as well yesterday. Bought Elite in Mediamarkt on Oct. 31st.
MFR date of the 360 : 18-09-2009.

See link for a picture : http://allsystemsgo.nl/jforum/posts/list/11.page

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: BoNg420 on November 04, 2009, 05:27:00 AM

QUOTE(Takashi @ Nov 3 2009, 04:14 PM)

Rick Astley is Lame and old. thanks jackass.

I shall agree. Removed the idiots post.

QUOTE(shtewps @ Nov 3 2009, 04:19 PM)

This thread deserved it.. And clearly you fell for it.. so stfu and get rolled' on.

What are you like 12. Grow up, that shit is just stupid and old, it was never even funny to begin with.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: chaldod826 on November 04, 2009, 10:18:00 AM

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 4 2009, 03:54 AM)

Just a friendly request, if people are gonna give this info at least include the country of origin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Got it in the US, ill put a pic for that other guy in a few mins anyway

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: timmy01979 on November 04, 2009, 10:24:00 AM

QUOTE(jsawyer86 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:56 AM)

Meh I dont think i would buy an "unhackable" 360 even if that meant no more xbl. There are alternatives to xbl.

What alternatives are there to XboxLive? I was under the impression that the alternatives we had on Xbox 1 didn't work with 360 due to ping limitations??

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: chaldod826 on November 04, 2009, 10:29:00 AM

(IMG:http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9523/liteon93450cj.jpg)

This post has been edited by chaldod826: Nov 4 2009, 06:33 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Toddler on November 04, 2009, 10:32:00 AM

Fake, that pic looks too perfect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You may want to obscure your drive serial.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: chaldod826 on November 04, 2009, 10:35:00 AM

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 4 2009, 06:32 PM)

Fake, that pic looks too perfect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You may want to obscure your drive serial.

lol realized that right after i posted it, thanks

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kainy on November 04, 2009, 12:52:00 PM

A little helpful info, at least I hope it will be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

All 250GB consoles sold here ( mostly import from UK ) are with 93850c drives.

120GB Elite consoles, manufactured August or September are with 83850c and for both months some drives are flashable, and some are not. 93850c drives were spotted in them too ( a September one ).

Here most of the Arcades with Banjo were manufactured July and were with completely flashable 83850c drives.

Now there are Banjo arcades manufactured September, but there drives are known for now.

Two weeks ago I've ordered a 120GB Elite from Amazon.co.uk, and it was manufactured on 25th of August with an unflashable 83850c ( gets to the first close / open drive step, and fails then, every time, done in DOS, so jungle crashes are not the cause (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

Flashed many consoles from July with 83850c and not one unflashable from that month.

All unflashable 83850c are manufactured in August.

I think that's all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Almost all flashable console here are sold so, we will be waiting for a solution.

Good luck hacking it ( for us of course ) and my Google be with you!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 04, 2009, 01:03:00 PM

QUOTE(kainy @ Nov 4 2009, 07:52 PM)

All 250GB consoles sold here ( mostly import from UK ) are with 93850c drives.

Here most of the Arcades with Banjo were manufactured July and were with completely flashable 83850c drives.

Almost all flashable console here are sold so, we will be waiting for a solution.

Maybe I'm being dumb, but what are you refering to when you keep saying 'here'?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: headonism on November 04, 2009, 01:05:00 PM

QUOTE(DrexeL_UK @ Nov 4 2009, 08:03 PM)

Maybe I'm being dumb, but what are you refering to when you keep saying 'here'?

he hasnt used the hyper link properly!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DrexeL_UK on November 04, 2009, 01:09:00 PM

QUOTE(headonism @ Nov 4 2009, 08:05 PM)

he hasnt used the hyper link properly!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yeah, I thought that was probably the case (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

FWIW not all UK 250gb consoles are undumpable, as stated earlier in this thread I sucessfully dumped/flashed a 250gb 83850c a couple of days ago.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: carniver on November 04, 2009, 01:33:00 PM

QUOTE

[19:48:03] <Iriez> had the last series not gone public
[19:48:07] <Iriez> we might have prevented that
[19:48:12] <Iriez> but now its REALLY closed.

If Microsoft patched up their firmware to disable Datal's memory units, why would they turn a blind eye to the foundmy.com service? Heck, they would SUE foundmy.com if only it was the sole source for the hack.

In any case it's not the fault of openkey. This is just the nature of a cat and mouse game.

This post has been edited by carniver: Nov 4 2009, 09:34 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 04, 2009, 02:14:00 PM

QUOTE(carniver @ Nov 4 2009, 08:33 PM)

Exactly, I've said this before. As soon as foundmy.com offered a service to unlock 83850c drives, MS would have then stepped up their game. Openkey etc just helped us get our keys without paying for it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SNAAAKE on November 04, 2009, 03:22:00 PM

ok one of the july2009 lite on froze on my after erasing. is it a complete brick? dumped the keys and everything as usual then it just randomly froze and wont show up in windows anymore. can it be flashed in dos(I usually do other liteons in dos)?

or can I get a new samsung drive and spoof that drive. key does look valid unless I fudged that up too. again it looks fine I can post some logs if that makes any difference.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: -haze- on November 04, 2009, 03:34:00 PM

QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 4 2009, 01:27 PM)

I shall agree. Removed the idiots post.
What are you like 12. Grow up, that shit is just stupid and old, it was never even funny to begin with.

Wow.. I just read through 26 pages of 100% pure redundancy.

Instead of your useless posts, why don't you do your "job" and moderate this thread back to some form of efficiency. Otherwise, give your status to someone who can.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SNAAAKE on November 04, 2009, 04:29:00 PM

update. flashed in dos and now the system starts and the tray opens but games still wont play. I get "play dvd" error. pretty sure the firmware didnt dumb correctly. I saw "x_x_x_" somewhere in inquire box.

what else can I try here? another drive is the solution? can someone confirm that so I can order a samsung drive or something.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Toddler on November 04, 2009, 05:18:00 PM

QUOTE(-haze- @ Nov 4 2009, 05:34 PM)

I would have been semi-impressed by your bravado if you hadn't hidden behind creating a fake account just to mouth off at the mods.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: carniver on November 04, 2009, 05:57:00 PM

QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Nov 4 2009, 03:29 PM)

If you flashed your drive without obtaining a proper dump first, your xbox is done for, sad to say but you'll have to buy another one.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: shtewps on November 04, 2009, 06:53:00 PM

This revision was bound to happen regardless of public release. Don't let ANYBODY fool you into thinking that it was the communities fault for this.

This post has been edited by shtewps: Nov 5 2009, 02:55 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: SNAAAKE on November 04, 2009, 11:04:00 PM

QUOTE(carniver @ Nov 4 2009, 07:57 PM)

If you flashed your drive without obtaining a proper dump first, your xbox is done for, sad to say but you'll have to buy another one.

yeah but I was able to "fix it" but now it only plays dvd and even reads mixed media dvds. I simply cant pin point WHAT went wrong in the process. can someone answer my drive question tho?? the xbox drive still works, system boots, tray opens close and reads dvds. means I do have a valid key. so I could just get a samsung drive and thats it??

sooner or later I will get it test out as I mod stuff for ppl. I just need to know before I order another drive.

this is not a COMPLETE fail as this drive still works as a spare for testing purpose I guess.

This post has been edited by SNAAAKE: Nov 5 2009, 07:06 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: d4m4n on November 05, 2009, 12:09:00 AM

QUOTE(SNAAAKE @ Nov 5 2009, 08:04 AM)

Not the right thread to handle your flashing problems.

You may have got a corrupted key. The drive reads dvd-movies with the wrong key but no games. I always test the key with an other drive before erasing the original 83850 drive.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kainy on November 05, 2009, 12:21:00 PM

I didn't say where is here cause it doesn't matter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you do wanna know it's Bulgaria. Here Xbox 360 isn't officialy sold so all consoles, accessories and etc. are imported mainly from UK or Greece.

As I said many 83850c drives from August and September were flashable, but many were not. All 250gb consoles were mainly imported from UK ( I honestly may say that all of them are from there ) and all opend were with 93850c drives. One member of our 360 comunity claimed to have tried all available modchips to read the key from the MB directly but it's locked too. So some sort of an attachment to cygnos might be on the way, as they've said that's probably what we will need.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: astrosaber3 on November 05, 2009, 01:09:00 PM

C/P from ABGX
"One of the ways Microsoft can detect you being a dirty, filthy pirate is to scan this video to make sure it matches with what is supposed to be on the disk, so to protect you, the firmware itself does a quick checksum of it and if it doesn't match with known video data, it wont boot. Every now and then, this video changed, with each change being called a "wave"."
End of C/P

If M$ can "check" the video partition for validity, why the hell not can't they detect what firmware is on any DVD drive? All M$ has to do is check the "checksums" on any given line of the code (firmware). Running modified firmware would generate a different checksum for the modified areas in the firmware. All they need to do is look at one checksum value - stock firmware has one value while modified ones will have a different value. All it takes is one line of code in the firmware changed, and that line will have a different checksum.

When you turn on a 360, it runs through a self dignostic check. It would be very simple to write 360 firmware (dashboard code) that checks the DVD rom when you turn on the 360. Currently our 360 checks the DVD drive during bootup. This would be the best time to check DVD rom firmware.

With all the bans over the years, and nobody has even the slightest clue what M$ is detecting to trigger a ban. I believe it's as simple as the 360 checking certain sectors (blocks) of the DVD rom f/w. With all the xbox360 can do (speed, graphics, etc), are you gonna tell me that they can't check firmware on the DVD rom drive? M$ has complete control over the DVD rom drive, they have to - otherwise nothing would boot PERIOD.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ghen on November 05, 2009, 07:41:00 PM

QUOTE(astrosaber3 @ Nov 5 2009, 03:09 PM)

The firmware is not digitally signed, there's no way to check. That's the whole point of the mod AFAIK. And before getting out the paranoia machine, if you were microsoft and you could detect hackers wouldn't you just ban -everyone- and ruin the scene entirely? There would be no downside to that for MS. No, they do it by other means. They load up data on you over a 4-6 month period and if you play too many games that would fail verification or play stuff too early then you go on the list for a ban 4 months from now. Thats why it seems so random, because they stockpile the bans. It probably has nothing to do with any recent games at all like people tend to think on the banning threads.

This post has been edited by ghen: Nov 6 2009, 03:44 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 09:08:00 PM

QUOTE(astrosaber3 @ Nov 6 2009, 09:09 AM)

WTF is this? So what your saying is M$ can read a disk then they must be able to read the firmware? can you lick you elbow? how about a firends elbow. i just like elbows.

pretty sure they cant see the firmware, as i have myself have been told many times.

whats this got to do with the 83850c anyhow, are you sugesting if m$ can check the firmware in a sence they must be able to read it over sata, hence there must be a command to read the firmware of the new 83850c or 938 via sata?

maa

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: syph007 on November 06, 2009, 06:07:00 AM

QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 11:08 PM)

Ya it doesnt make sense, user doesn't know what he's talking about. Also don't most of the drives have to be put in vendor mode to read data anyway? They are purposely trying to make it HARDER to read the friggin firmware, not easier.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: tornadog on November 06, 2009, 06:17:00 AM

i just have an elite comig back from the repair shop. IS it guaranteed I will find one of the new Liteons on it??

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 06, 2009, 07:29:00 AM

QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 6 2009, 08:17 AM)

i just have an elite comig back from the repair shop. IS it guaranteed I will find one of the new Liteons on it??

Pretty much yes.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iateshaggy on November 06, 2009, 08:42:00 AM

depends on the repair center. i got one just a couple of week ago that had this one in it.
Firmware is Benq OSIG: SATA DVD-ROM 6243
TX center btw

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jivemm on November 06, 2009, 02:19:00 PM

QUOTE(tornadog @ Nov 7 2009, 12:17 AM)

i just have an elite comig back from the repair shop. IS it guaranteed I will find one of the new Liteons on it??

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 7 2009, 01:29 AM)

Pretty much yes.

I don't think that's necessarily true. I mod consoles in Sydney, Australia. Had a guy get a console back from repair last week and it had his BenQ drive still in place.

It depends on what the problem is. If they decide to replace the DVD drive then sure, your screwed for the moment, but they don't replace the DVD drive 100% of the time. So think positively and keep hope!!

This post has been edited by jivemm: Nov 6 2009, 10:21 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 06, 2009, 02:23:00 PM

QUOTE(jivemm @ Nov 6 2009, 10:19 PM)

I agree. Why would they fix something if it is not broke. Unless they give you another console.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: micflair on November 06, 2009, 03:20:00 PM

Ive sent machines back with totally working drives in there to get back the same machine with new motherboard and drive, its easier for them to replace a MATCHING new motherboard and drive rather than reflashing your old drive to a new motherboards key. Obviously all 360s going back are for a motherboard fault - hence most of the time you will get a new drive. Allthough I have sent a flashed one back and got a new motherboard with the same flashed drive back once.. haha

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: darkjedi007 on November 06, 2009, 06:22:00 PM

Hey guys, I just wanted to add that it doesn't seem that Xbox's manufactured early August are affected. My build week is 0932X. My drive build date is July 2009. The drivekey dumped using JungleFlasher no problem and I successfully spoofed a BenQ drive with the drivekey.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: icemantaz on November 06, 2009, 06:29:00 PM

i just got a repair back from ms which has a service date on of 3rd novermber 2009 and it has had a hitachi drive put in. so no its not guaranteed

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: walterg74 on February 03, 2020, 10:26:00 AM

To anyone in the US that knows/has experience....

I am in the US now but just visiting, and decided to buy 2 elites (holiday bundle pure/lego batman). A friend offered to buy them through Amazon, to avoid tax, shipping, etc...

The thing is I opened them and they have July drives. Now I know these are like 99%? likely to be able to be read, however since I have seen several posts with exceptions, I'm starting to freak out.... specialy since I'm not *home*, I don't have my stuff to actually attempt to read it, and I don't have enough time left before I go back to return them to Amazon and buy at a B&M store...

So, the question would be.... I know it's not right, but would I screw anyone (non modder) if I bought at a B&M and swapped the cases? I mean, nothing's wrong with my xbox except the possibility of it maybe not being able to have it's key read, which 99% of buyers won't do... So anything at all?? What about the real serial number? registration? etc?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 03, 2020, 10:33:00 AM

QUOTE(walterg74 @ Nov 8 2009, 06:26 PM)

Other than the fact that it is completely illegal as far as I know. The case will say one serial and the console will say another. If that person ever had to send it in for repair, there would be a definite problem.

The chances are that July Lite-ons will have no problem being read. I still have a feeling that the people who reported otherwise might not know enough or did not do it properly

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: walterg74 on February 03, 2020, 10:44:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 8 2009, 03:33 PM)

Yeah, I think that too, since most of the time "proven" things don't work, it's most certainly a user problem... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Anyway, I know it's not right but just don't wanna be stuck with an unredable drive... Specially cause where I live it's practically impossible to buy games, and the ones you may find the may ask up to 100 bucks for... totall insane.... If I had more time I would just return it to Amazon and buy B&M, but I don't for the time it implies having it shipped back, etc...

I was just thinking if the serial number is anywhere else, besides the case and the sticker on the front behind the faceplate. Is it anywhere else that coudln't be swapped? Internally as to the funtioning maybe? (Is that the same number they track when they ban you, or is that a completely different number?)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: celltoolz on February 03, 2020, 01:15:00 PM

This is a little off topic but, MS wont even let me send consoles back to them. They started calling my phone and asking for business licenses and receipts. They sent my last 3 consoles back with new warranties but not fixed. And i got a big letter in my email:

QUOTE

We need you to provide a copy of the purchase receipt which clearly indicates the date of sale and the name and address of the store from which the console was purchased. You can do this by simply responding to this email with a copy of your receipt attached. Please follow the instructions below:

1. If you have access to a scanner, scan the receipt. You can also use the camera on your mobile phone or a standard digital camera to take a picture of the receipt. If you purchased online, a screenshot of the receipt will suffice.

2. Ensure the file (attachment) is less than 1 megabyte in size. If your file is larger, your mail may be rejected by our system.

3. Send your attachment in JPG, GIF, or TIF format. This minimizes the file size, and also ensures that we can open your file successfully.

4. Respond directly to this email with your attachment (the purchase receipt file). Please note that you must respond to this email for us to proceed with warranty validation. If you do not use the reply option to this email we will be unable to relate your response to your service request and your resolution will be delayed.

We will monitor your service request for your response. If we do not receive a response within seven (7) business days, the request will be closed.

Please note: this email can only be used for proof of purchase related issues. We do not monitor this email for any other purpose and you will not receive a response from us.

We hope you continue to enjoy your Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system, and we thank you again for your valued support..

Marc

Xbox Customer Support

not sure what the big deal is, as they state on the top of there repair site:

QUOTE

Register a Console - The registered consoles that are associated with your Windows Live ID are listed below. You can register as many consoles as you want.

..........................

QUOTE

i just have an elite comig back from the repair shop. IS it guaranteed I will find one of the new Liteons on it??

O and by the way, they sometimes send older drives back, just depends on the problem with the console.

Personally i have yet to see this new drive, i think as of right now everyone is more worried about the ban wave then this new drive not being able to be modded.

Now all you flamers go ahead and flame me for talking about something else, As i love the attention.

This post has been edited by celltoolz: Yesterday, 09:34 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: HyperUK on November 12, 2009, 06:01:00 PM

Yes,

Although my JF crashed during writing the 1st bank which I found strange as it normally crashed during LiteOn erase but never mind.

I created a dosflash memory stick and did the usual l-o-erase until status FF72 then used dosflash to write my new firmware.

It works fine playing backups and originals.

Apparantly the 83850c August is very hit and miss.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 12, 2009, 07:54:00 PM

QUOTE(HyperUK @ Nov 13 2009, 02:01 AM)

The first time I tried to flash the Lite-on 83xxx, it crashed during the flash but not erase.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: HyperUK on November 12, 2009, 08:01:00 PM

Did you use dosflash to write it then or give up?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 12, 2009, 08:16:00 PM

QUOTE(HyperUK @ Nov 13 2009, 04:01 AM)

Did you use dosflash to write it then or give up?

If you are referring to my post, I used JungleFlasher all the way, just tried the flash again.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 12, 2009, 08:56:00 PM

I don't know why I can't edit my post if it the last.

I heard from a repair/parts shop that the undumpable drives will eventually be getting a modchip supposedly in February 2010.

Until I see some prototypes or shops having pre-orders, I won't take too seriously.

What I was told is that the Debug Mode that is used to get the drive keys in the Lite-on is gone from the newer ones.

I still have hopes for a softmod solution since I don't like the idea of having to crack open the drive and solder some stuff to it.

I would preferably like to have 2 drive for 1 360. One modded and the other one stock.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 13, 2009, 10:04:00 AM

I am a bit confused as to what Lite-On drive I should be trying to get. I found a new system from April of this year, and one from July. Is there any reason the drives needing the probe are unwanted now? I see people here saying they want the 8xxx series (as long as it's flashable). Why is this?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 13, 2009, 11:08:00 AM

QUOTE(DaddyLongLegs @ Nov 13 2009, 06:04 PM)

If you don't already have a probe then the 83xxx is more desirable. If you already have a probe, I don't think it matters.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 13, 2009, 11:33:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:08 PM)

If you don't already have a probe then the 83xxx is more desirable. If you already have a probe, I don't think it matters.

Ah, thank you. I do have a probe so that works out great. I just thought the 83XXX might be quieter or there was some other reason people wanted them (like maybe they will get the newer "Live friendly" firmware or something).

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 13, 2009, 11:49:00 AM

QUOTE(DaddyLongLegs @ Nov 13 2009, 07:33 PM)

Actually the only difference between the 74xxx and the 83xxx is the firmware. The hardware is exactly the same.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 13, 2009, 01:03:00 PM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 13 2009, 07:49 PM)

Actually the only difference between the 74xxx and the 83xxx is the firmware. The hardware is exactly the same.

Ah but I wonder if Microsoft did something different between those firmwares that made it more detectable? Also it's not identical in hardware I'm thinking because the probe does not light up blue where it does on the 74xxx drive.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: asapreta on November 13, 2009, 01:37:00 PM

Anyone tried something on the new 9xxxx LiteOns in DOS?

I think he is a liar or got one mislabeled 9xxxx, but a guy here said he dumped the key of one and used it on a 7xxxx drive.

Tonight (local time) he will tell how.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on November 13, 2009, 03:11:00 PM

QUOTE(asapreta @ Nov 13 2009, 09:37 PM)

I think that someone knows how to extract the key in these new drivers.will be a simple job but I think it is real .....

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ShomieG on November 14, 2009, 07:53:00 AM

at the moment there is no way to Dump 83850C REV.2 or the 9xxxx Series to get the key to flash a new firmware.... i can tell you guys that a hack will always come out, you just have to be patient

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: amanchin on November 14, 2009, 08:25:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:47 PM)

You are so lucky

My MW2 console came with a nice 94xxx version.

What is the manufacturing date of yours?

i opened both of my MW elites and one of them was a lite-on from august (xbox manf date 09/08/2009). the other, to my surprise, was a july edition (xbox manf date also 09/08/2009).

haven't tried to aug version, but the july version seems to be good to go. i was able to obtain dummy.bin. now just waiting on LT.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: courier on November 14, 2009, 11:14:00 AM

QUOTE(ShomieG @ Nov 14 2009, 03:53 PM)

at the moment there is no way to Dump 83850C REV.2 or the 9xxxx Series to get the key to flash a new firmware.... i can tell you guys that a hack will always come out, you just have to be patient

nothing is impossible !!!!!!!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: kiwimods on November 15, 2009, 03:49:00 PM

QUOTE(martin.ca @ Nov 16 2009, 11:33 AM)

Hi,
I have:
-An Arcade with drive manufactured in July 2009, console is manufactured in August, Lot number 0935
-A Elite with drive manufactured in July 2009, console manufactured in August, Lot number 0933

Are both moddable?

Thanks.

im sure your fine, but try for sure then you know, i had an august one yesterday mod fine, and then same date of manufacture got one of these newer 93xxx drives aahhhh the pain

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 15, 2009, 06:18:00 PM

I find it funny that some people bought the MW2 360 and it came with a modable drive and others, like myself) got the new 94xxx series.

I bought an Arcade with a manufacturing date of June 24, 2009 and it had a February 74xxx drive. I bought a second Arcade from the same Gamestop and it was manufactured in July 20, 2009 and came with a July 83xxx drive.

My MW2 360 was manufactured in Sept and it had a Sept Drive in it of the 94xxx kind.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: sp71supra on November 15, 2009, 07:46:00 PM

My MW2 console has a built date of late Aug and has a July 09 83850c in it.. im guessing its modable, although I have heard of some July 09s not being flashable and some being flashable.. I haven't hook it up to yet to see and am not going to until new FW comes out. I guess I could try and just pull the key and not flash it.. that won't hurt it.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 15, 2009, 08:38:00 PM

QUOTE(HyperUK @ Nov 15 2009, 10:02 PM)

I have flashed my MW2 console now with ixtreme 1.6 but havent played on live, just tested it once with a backup and it worked fine.

Would it be fair to say I am still safe if i dont use it until the new firmware is released then flash it and go on live?

You played a backup you are already at risk.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 15, 2009, 11:22:00 PM

QUOTE(HyperUK @ Nov 16 2009, 04:42 AM)

Yes but since I have not created a profile on the hard drive or made any saves where will this info be stored?

The system Nand.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Bukmop on November 16, 2009, 08:48:00 AM

FCK!! MS have won again. In theory the dumping of new drives cannot be impossible. Console compares the key that stored in drive's eeprom with the key in motherboard while starting games. So console READS the key. Its necesarry to find out - how it proceeds.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 16, 2009, 09:23:00 AM

QUOTE(Bukmop @ Nov 16 2009, 10:48 AM)

OMG how many times do me and others have to explain this!

For the last damn time no the key does not need to be verified.

The data from the drive gets encrypted with the drive key located within the drive. This encrypted data gets transferred to the console (NO DRIVE KEY IS SENT!). The console decrypts this data using the same matching key within the motherboard itself. AGAIN NO KEY IS TRANSFERRED. If the keys are the same the data is properly decrypted. If they don't match the game does not play simple as that.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 16, 2009, 09:27:00 AM

It works the same way as
http://en.wikipedia....ey_cryptography
the key is never sent with the communication, a copy of the decryption key is held by both
parties, in this case, the mobo/drive.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Bukmop on November 16, 2009, 10:23:00 AM

QUOTE

The data from the drive gets encrypted with the drive key located within the drive. This encrypted data gets transferred to the console (NO DRIVE KEY IS SENT!)

So I mean no matter how but the key is transferred in encrypted form, as encrypted data. For today not only one xbox's drive has been hacked. I suppose some hackers know about encryption methods that are used in Xbox360.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Kijoki on November 16, 2009, 11:42:00 AM

QUOTE(Bukmop @ Nov 16 2009, 05:23 PM)

LOL You are slow! Reread the comments..... Basically let me simplify it for you:

Box a can be opened by using Key X.

Box a is on the DVD drive.

We send box a to the motherboard.

The motherboard also has a copy of key X and it can also open box a...

Tadaaaa!!

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 16, 2009, 12:06:00 PM

lol whatever that was, confused the hell outta me...

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 16, 2009, 12:15:00 PM

QUOTE(Radament @ Nov 16 2009, 08:14 PM)

Anyone tried swapping the TSOP chips of a flashable and unflashable 83850c?

That would not work as that is where the firmware is stored and the key is stored in the firmware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jack_herer on November 16, 2009, 01:50:00 PM

QUOTE(Kijoki @ Nov 16 2009, 07:42 PM)

ok. Let's assume we already know what is in the "box" (in decrypted form) but we don't know the key.
we put an original game in the dvd reader, the drive thinks to send this "box" to motherboard but we capture it.
i think it's possible to bruteforce decrypting system until decrypted data match, and find the dvd-key that is unique per console but use always the same crypting method.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: a360 on November 16, 2009, 02:10:00 PM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 16 2009, 02:18 AM)

I find it funny that some people bought the MW2 360 and it came with a modable drive and others, like myself) got the new 94xxx series.
I bought an Arcade with a manufacturing date of June 24, 2009 and it had a February 74xxx drive. I bought a second Arcade from the same Gamestop and it was manufactured in July 20, 2009 and came with a July 83xxx drive.
My MW2 360 was manufactured in Sept and it had a Sept Drive in it of the 94xxx kind.

Did anyone check the factory-code on the back of the xbox? I mean the 'fdou' or whatever codes under the serial number. Perhaps this first batch of undumpable drives, well, i guess you get it.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: robo989 on November 16, 2009, 02:11:00 PM

QUOTE(jack_herer @ Nov 16 2009, 10:50 PM)

NO

What you're talking about and is completely irrelevent in this situation is when for example you have an encrypted archive and already have in your posession a couple of files from the archive decrypted. With this under some situations it is possible to get the decryption key depending on the cypher used etc etc....(I don't understand myself but I do understand the principle and you're wasting your time talking about it)

That is all.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jack_herer on November 16, 2009, 03:29:00 PM

well you say it is irrerelvent, but you forget to explain why.
if it's true that hackers already know how CPU decrypt dvd data, then it is theoretically possible and simple a brute force attack to break a 16 bit (!) key encryption.

http://en.wikipedia....te_force_attack

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 16, 2009, 04:54:00 PM

Not to mention none of this has anything to do with the topic...
Nand hacking is a completely different section of the forum.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Takashi on November 16, 2009, 06:55:00 PM

yep, perfect

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Friks on November 16, 2009, 08:31:00 PM

Mine is from 28-7-09 and the drive is from july ...

Will it work ? i'm a little afraid that i could get a brick in here

any opinion ?

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 16, 2009, 09:04:00 PM

QUOTE(Friks @ Nov 17 2009, 04:31 AM)

Mine is from 28-7-09 and the drive is from july ...

Will it work ? i'm a little afraid that i could get a brick in here

any opinion ?

July drive should be fine. It is highly unlikely that you won't be able to dump the key.

The problem drives are made in August, not July. There have only been 1 or 2 cases of July drives not dumping the key. I still believe it was user error.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jaguar23 on November 16, 2009, 10:55:00 PM

I'm new to flashing. Just want to know if I go to flash my liteon and it is one of the drives that is unmoddable, will i brick my drive?

Or is there a way to put the original firmware back on if I use JF to extract it.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 16, 2009, 11:06:00 PM

QUOTE(jaguar23 @ Nov 17 2009, 06:55 AM)

It is not that the drive is "unmodable", The problem is you can't extract the drive key from the drive which MUST be done first before going any further.

If your drive is an 94xxx series don't even bother trying to extract the key. If it is a 83xxx series and made in July or earlier, there should be no problem, you can try as long as you follow the direction on jungle-flasher.net you should not be able to harm the drive.

Lite-On drives CANNOT be bricked as you must first erase the firmware before flashing the hacked firmware.

If you have the 83xxx series and the drive is made in August and the key does not come out the first try, try a few more before saying it's un-dumpable.

Also, once the Lite-On is flashed with hacked firmware, it CANNOT be restored to original, ever.

Hope this helps.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jaguar23 on November 16, 2009, 11:14:00 PM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 17 2009, 02:06 PM)

Thanks for the great explanation

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: RedFarmer on November 18, 2009, 02:05:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 17 2009, 07:06 AM)

Also, once the Lite-On is flashed with hacked firmware, it CANNOT be restored to original, ever.

I guess this applies to all Lite-Ons, as the hardware is the same?

This post has been edited by RedFarmer: Nov 18 2009, 10:05 AM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: OggyUK on November 18, 2009, 04:46:00 AM

Correct.

Although a website in the UK are offering a "Stock LiteOn" service -

Injecting (your) unique data to a stock drive already as opposed to erasing stock firmware.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: cwalkpatrick on November 18, 2009, 04:58:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 17 2009, 05:04 AM)

ehh... i got the same with a july 2009 drive, it won't dump.

i did lotsa 83850c july 2009 drives, so, and also tried a different computer, it won't dump.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 18, 2009, 02:34:00 PM

QUOTE(cwalkpatrick @ Nov 18 2009, 12:58 PM)

ehh... i got the same with a july 2009 drive, it won't dump.

i did lotsa 83850c july 2009 drives, so, and also tried a different computer, it won't dump.

Like I said, the majority of the problem drives are in august. I guess there are a few July drives that don't work.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: danthaman673 on November 27, 2009, 09:16:00 AM

QUOTE(radyboysmith @ Oct 23 2009, 10:02 AM)

i have a june 2009 version of the liteon that i just recieved from micro service center.
this is what i am getting

I bet ur using a VIA sata card. knowen to have issues w/ this (inconsistent dumps) try un-installing drivers as per JF.PDF.

I am planning to try and dump one of these new drives (83850c v2) LO83 will not give key etc.. I've heard of ppl using probe, I tried probe but DVDkey32 says Bad Serial Data (Could this be just because it doesn't recognise it as a standard 78xxx key??)

A:Does anyone know of an easy way to dump eg a terminal r232 prog?? So I might have a go at decrypting key if it's not clear txt etc..

B: I've seen ads claiming that XTRACTOR (redbox or some1) dumps 83850c v2 keys (using hardware) does ne1 know this to be true as the web site seemed to lead me in circles some of which set off malware-alarms on my browser.

I will resort to NAND extraction (I'm just getting the hang of NAND dumps) I'm not sure I understand why the JTAG is needed if u can just dump nand with LPT then open in Hex editor.

C: Does anyone know a reason why I cant just dump NAND , open w/Flash tool 0.88 as per: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=690640 with new elite 120 (Jasper 16) eg JTAG hack doesn't work w/NXE Dash aug 09??

If some1 can answer this I'll happily write tut and/or a script to streamline new liteon key extraction.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: stacker69 on November 27, 2009, 09:47:00 AM

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 19 2009, 08:34 AM)

Like I said, the majority of the problem drives are in august. I guess there are a few July drives that don't work.

Gee I was lucky enough to get one of the drives (83850C) that was modable (mfg date 28-07-2209). I recently bought a new TV and it came with a free Xbox 360 Elite (still has to be delivered) and I'm just crossing my fingers that it doesn't have one of the newer drives.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: danthaman673 on November 28, 2009, 12:06:00 AM

QUOTE(raymondo1 @ Nov 28 2009, 02:08 AM)

dont waste your time trying to get the key off a v2 liteon. there isnt one to get, thats the problem. no key output
the experts have confirmed this.

Thankyou for your response, if there's no key does this mean I can put any 'ol drive in there or what??

Do you mean there's no serial key output from the PCB,..... If so would I then be safe to get key from JTAG/NAND/XELL/Nandtool0.88 and then spoof it into the 83850c 1.6 Ixtreme FW???? Has anyone successfully done this???

Thanking you all for your interest, Dan

PS: It's knowen that PRE-August drives (83850c Ver1) Can have issues with VIA chipset (I think it may be a case of removing the drivers or having to do DOS dump instead, If you are getting all Zero's I'd bet dollars to donuts it's a Ver2 drive ver1 with VIA issue dump inconsistent and erroneous data (Try other methods if you have this prob and make sure to dump twice and compare results)

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: antz1970 on November 28, 2009, 03:37:00 AM

some interesting chat started by geremia in THIS thread on xbh

this post just added by MODFREAKz

quote from MODFREAKz "Im very very pissed off about few people (no names).

so I decided to release all personally discovered information and a way how to read the whole LiteOn firmware.

Tomorrow is the day of days!!"

make of it what you will

p.s i dont think dumping the firmware is going to be a walk in the park tho at least not for a modder without any soldering skills

p.s for those that dont know already , dont go over to that thread and start spamming it , you will more than likely get your arse kicked out of the forum

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: danthaman673 on November 28, 2009, 08:38:00 AM

Soldering is one of my areas of expertise,

So I might put-off the nand hack for now (allthough it would be good to confirm) I think I see where he's going with this... I'll wait untill tommorow to see the implementation but I might start getting the epoxy off tonight tho

Thanx again, Dan

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Ranger72 on November 28, 2009, 08:45:00 AM

Sounds very interesting indeed. I wonder if this will only work for the new 93450 drives or both the new 93450 and 83850c drives.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: jack_herer on November 28, 2009, 10:57:00 AM

i guess it will work for all liteon drives (regardless wich fw they have)

This post has been edited by jack_herer: Nov 28 2009, 07:08 PM

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 29, 2009, 10:23:00 PM

Looks like a way to fully dump the firmware for ALL lite-on drive is now out.

Not for the faint of heart, I can tell you that.

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: Nemisis on December 29, 2009, 10:53:00 AM

I found this on another site. Do you think this would work?

http://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=33994.0

Title: Maybe A New (new) 83850c Firmware Out
Post by: iglitare on December 29, 2009, 12:14:00 PM

QUOTE(Nemisis @ Dec 29 2009, 06:53 PM)

I found this on another site. Do you think this would work?

http://www.acidmods....p?topic=33994.0

sure, it works since november.
For the people that can read, there are 3 threads about it here.

For the other, just went to another forum

xboxscene.org forums

Xbox360 Forums => Xbox 360 Hacking Forums => Technical DVD-ROM and Modified DVD Firmware Forum => Topic started by: kiwimods on September 22, 2009, 06:27:00 AM