Post by: pr0digy1 on July 26, 2003, 07:28:00 PM
i have my xbox installed in my car. just finished the install today. it's great to have 120 gigs of space for mp3's and movies. my problem is that skipping to next song seems quite complicated, it requires to press at least 2 buttons. can it be setup so that i can just move the joystick forward to go to next song? same thing with fast-forwarding...
or is there a good alternative to xbmp?
please help me guys...
thanks
Post by: pr0digy1 on July 26, 2003, 07:32:00 PM
thanks
Post by: elduderino1234 on July 26, 2003, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on July 27, 2003, 03:39:00 AM
Just a suggestion.. I install one of the two or you can install both controller ports in you dash. Just get them out of an old xbox or order them... like ebay.. Then make extentions to connect to your box..
Then you can plug the IR receiver in and use the remote and also if you want, plug two joypads in and play a game..
I also installed a on/off switch so i didnt have to use the controller to turn it off.. i have little push
button switches but im about to install the xbox's LED switch so it lights up and blinks.. now that XBMP can uses BLINK..
BTW Never play any xbox game while driving.. The sterring wheel gets in the way.. ;)
Matt
Post by: pr0digy1 on July 27, 2003, 02:43:00 PM
i'm also having a problem with the xbox running while the car is off. my xbox will run only when the car is running. I'm using 175w converter, do u think i need a better one? can you run yr xbox when the car is off? is yr xbox hooked up straight to the battery or does it got through lighter plug?
Post by: pr0digy1 on July 27, 2003, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: sum.zero on July 27, 2003, 03:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (pr0digy1 @ Jul 27 2003, 06:18 PM) |
| can i even control evox with the remote? i read some posts where guys were saying that u can plug the remote ir thingy into the controller. is that true? |
controlling evox with remote as i type.
shit! accidently shut off the xbox.
note to self: allocate more memory to each process when multi-tasking.
sum.zero
edit for typos
This post has been edited by sum.zero: Jul 27 2003, 10:38 PM
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on July 28, 2003, 04:47:00 AM
1. Im running a 300 watt that i go from work it was like $40.. and it has two jacks on it, so i can plug other stuff in.. Also on some cars the sig lighter is cut off when you turn the key off.. My Stang does not do this it always on..
2. Im looking into a 12v power supply off a laptop.. sence the xbox is also running 12v from its own convertor.. no need to go from 12v to 110v back to 12v..
And yes you can control the evox with the remote the FF bottons << and >> will scroll the evox menus with out the normal down, down, down to get to other menu items.. As for XBMP the remote will let you skip, FF, Pause, Stop,..ect it will do it all.. also if you wanting to go to a specific part of the movie or song, like there is this one song that only gets good after 1.40min just use the num pad and type it in.. or movie your fav parts at 33.40min do the same thing..
I believe the XBMP manual documents this..
BTW GET A REMOTE YOU WILL LOVE IT..
sum.zero lol ....dork :P hehe
EDIT here is the button setup for REMOTE AND CONTROLLER
copy form the manual
Section 2.5 Button Setup
The button setup cant be changed, but this is a list of the current button set up:
Navigation:
-X button/Display Key: Toggle between played file and Player GUI.
-A button/Select Key: Play/Open selection.
-B button/Back Key: Go back 1 folder.
-Y button/Title Key: Queue file to playlist
-Back Button/Menu Key: Go back to Main screen.
-D Pad/Arrow Keys: Move cursor
-White Button/Info Key: Display IMDB Info (active internet connection needed).
-Left/Right Triggers: Next/Previous Page.
During Playback:
-X button/Display Key: Toggle between played file and Player GUI.
-A button/Select Key: Show up control panel.
-A button/Select Key: While in CP, select controls.
-D Pad LEFT/RIGHT: Change subtitle Offset.
-D Pad UP/DOWN: Change AV Sync.
-RWD Key: RW file (for controller, choose option on the Control Panel).
-FWD Key: FFWD file (for controller, choose option on the Control Panel).
-White button: Go to Screen Settings.
-Black button/Info Key: Show File information.
-Right (R-Thumb)/Skip +: Next Playlist Item.
-Left (R-Thumb)/Skip -: Previous Playlist Item.
-Extra DVD Keys: Play, Stop, Pause accordingly.
-Y button/Title Key: Create Bookmark.
-B button/Play Key: Cycle through bookmarks (only if available).
-Slider Bar/Skip +/-: Step up/down in the file.
-B button/ Skip +/-: Cycle through bookmarks (only if available).
Special Slideshow Settings:
-Right Trigger/FWD Key: Speed up Slideshow Time (Visual Display of Increment).
-Left Trigger/RWD Key: Slow down Slideshow Time (Visual Display of Delay).
-Pause Key: Pause Slideshow.
-Back/B or Stop/Menu: Stop Slideshow.
-Right (R-Thumb)/Skip +: Next Song.
-Left (R-Thumb)/Skip -: Previous Song.
-D-Pad Right/Right Key: Next Picture.
-D-Pad Left/Left Key: Previous Picture.
-Y button/Title Key: Rotate Picture.
-Numbers (0-9): Zoom Picture (0 restores picture)
This post has been edited by ---=Snyper=---: Jul 28 2003, 11:55 AM
Post by: Autocrat on July 29, 2003, 02:08:00 PM
How are you guys turning your Xbox on and off?
XIR Remote mod?
I'm thinking of doing the wireless doorbell mod, but it doesn't look too easy.
I purchased a Trip-Lite PV500 for my power inverter and will have the DVD remote IR eye extened to my dash from the trunk.
I'm planning to use the DVD remote for most functions except IGR. Haven't figured how to do that with the remote yet.
Post by: Autocrat on July 29, 2003, 02:12:00 PM
Also, how are you getting the sound from the Xbox to your car's system? FM modulator or rca?
Post by: pr0digy1 on July 29, 2003, 02:22:00 PM
I'm gonna order one of those 3rd party xbox remotes and they also come with controller extention cords so i can wire the IR receiver at the front somewhere. do you think the 3rd xbox remote will work fine? it looks almost identical to xbox remote. snyper, can you run yr xbox while yr car is turned off? does it get enough power from yr battery? cuz my xbox truns on for like 2 seconds and the inverter is beeping like crazy and then it turns off. i can only run it when car is on... but i just picked up 400watt inverter, hoefully this one will work better.
another in car issue: dont you find it anoying when u're listenning to music on xbox, then u turn off yr car and when u come back, u have to set everything up again, like run xbmp, find the song... is there a feature in xbmp that will just remember which song it was playing so that when you run it next time, it just starts playing that song again. software wise this should be pretty trivial. i'm actually thinking of taking the xbmp source and writting an in-car version of it but i've never done xbox programming.
autocrat, i just put a switch on my controller, that's good enough for me to turn xbox on/off. this mod is extremely easy and doesnt take more than 30 minutes if u do it for the first time. at least i dont have to go to the trunk.
Post by: Autocrat on July 29, 2003, 02:36:00 PM
BTW, I was told some non M$ DVD remotes may have problems with XBMP. I went out and bought the MS one just to be sure.
Post by: Infuscomus on July 30, 2003, 10:12:00 AM
this is the DC to DC unit that all the carputer guys have been relying on... check out all the specs @ www.opussolutions.com
it's got tons of neat features that are a must for in car computers... I'll start to document all of this if there is interest, so all can benefit!
Post by: Autocrat on July 30, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
Do you have a link about changing the power to ATX?
Thanks
Post by: Infuscomus on July 30, 2003, 11:47:00 AM
on making the cable, check out this thread:
http://forums.xbox-s.....pc power&st=0
and last but not least... get bunnies' book (shame if you don't have it
)... it's pretty much step-by-step and easy to follow
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on July 30, 2003, 03:02:00 PM
Anyway this is going to be shorter..
--on/off switch
THe on/off and the eject switch is from a broken xbox.. The front panel has 9 wires, so i tappped into the ones on my xbox and put the female 9 pin connecter on the back.. took the other front panel and extended then to my dash.. You dont have to do this you only need 2 wires to turn the xbox on and off.. But I wanted the leds to work and maybe one day put the dvd drive in my dash so thats why i ran 9 wires..
--Sound and Video
I have a Clairon flip-screen that has AV in and 5.1 optical in..
--Remote
From what i know the 3rd party remote will not work or will not work properly for XBMP...
If it works for you more power to you.. On ebay the M$ remotes are going for like $10US..
My IR receiver is plug into the two controller port that i install in my dash but you could just crack it open and extended it.. I just still wonder if you could piggy-back the controler like a mem card.. It seem logical..
---Car off playing XBOX
It work fine for me with me car off.. also I have a trunk party awhile back and played it for about 2 hours, also jammin the music pretty loud..
"It stays on for 2 sec then cut off" sound like the power is cut to your sig lighter.. Make sure that you have power to you sig lighter with the key off and not just ACC or RUN
--Pain in the ass to get every thing playing after shutting off
If you mean that the WHOLE XBMPs setting then that a problem with xbmp..
Yes when i shut mine off then on i have to go back to my music or movies and hit play.. But most of my music is setup in playlists so that i can get them going quickly..
For Movies there is a feature that was add about 3 or 4 releases ago or so.. hehe Called Bookmark.. it only works on video but it allows you the put a bookmark of where you left of.. Just hit the TITLE buttton on the remote or the white button on the controller and it will bring up that menu on the botton and then select "Video Settings" in there will be "Create bookmark" which will allow you to start right where you left off at.. The only shitty think is you have to start that movie you where watchin and then you can go the Cycle Bookmarks..
Infuscomus.. that $30 cheaper than the one i was looking at.. still $170 ouch..
Tell me how well it works when you get it.. I still think a Laptop converter will work.. just cant get my friend to let me rip it apart.. O well my 12v to 110 work fine Plus i can put almost any thing into it..
Btw I look at the specs and it pretty strait forward.. only bad part its not going to fit in your xbox.. and i not sure if the xbox connecter is standard ATX.. never really thought of that tell i typed this..
Post by: Autocrat on July 30, 2003, 03:30:00 PM
Do you have any pics of the install? I'd love to see what it looks like.
BTW, do you have any problems with heat with the box in the trunk?
Post by: wizard17 on July 30, 2003, 04:33:00 PM
protective Egg Crate foam padded crate (for that fragile HDD)
with a lid for easy removal. All I have to do is buy an inverter,
and a screen.
Any
suggestions on an inverter would be nice. BTW what is so
great about a PC supply? Can I buy one cheap? When I turn
my truck off the power still stays on for about 7 minutes, or
until I open my door. I am also getting my sound to the
speakers, the cheap way and I don't even have to go into the
DASH! This set up I will have will be totally disconnectable
and portable. Wanna know how I get the sound from the
EvoX to the car speakers? PM me. Because it's kinda in the
works for a patent.
Post by: Infuscomus on July 30, 2003, 07:09:00 PM
No, the xbox power connector is not a direct connect for an ATX source... However, the power supply and the wiring are ATX complient so spliceing in an Atx connector was required. Not real hard though... The thing about the opus is the micoprocessor that controls the delay of 12v signal from ACC to starting the car. Making it easier on the Xbox and me not turning it on manually. As well as the automatic shutdown if battery level drops...
On thing I would like to find out... is there an extention cable for the Xbox that has the Female game port on one end and the male on the other? I need a way to use the M$ remote, but the xbox is in the trunk.
Post by: pr0digy1 on July 30, 2003, 08:47:00 PM
snyper, can u send me a link of M$ remote from ebay, cuz i cant find one. all i can find is 3rd party remotes.
thanks
Post by: Autocrat on July 30, 2003, 09:25:00 PM
I just got a TrippLite PV500.
Anyone try the wireless doorbell mod?
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on July 30, 2003, 09:48:00 PM
I live in Texas.. it gets hot, not Arizona 120* Hot but about 90*-100* now that its in the summer time.. What i do is flip my seat down and just flip the ac on max for about 5 min then turn my xbox on..But mostly i try not to worry.. I took the temp display off my evox..
-wizard17
The egg crate work great but if you are really worried about your HD get 2 peices of plastic, metal, wood, ..ect.. thats about 10''x12'' or so Just make then bigg enough for your xbox to set on.. then go to a Hobby Shop and get 5 model car springs you might have to experiment to get the right sring rate .. one in each corner and one in the middle.. This make almost all the bumps go away.. I also saw along time ago when building a mp3 player for my car that it was said that putting the HD vertical - up and down, that it is less likely to cause problems..
Which did kinda make sence, The HD heads were moving up and down not side to side.. so it woldnt hit the platter.. O well you make the call..
And yes get a 300w inverter, a screen, or one of thows screens that clip on the xbox for mobility, The sound can be done by using a FM module or hell you have a tape deck that will work too.. which has been around sence the cd player came out, might be longer but thats when i remember seeing them.. hehe they were like $100.... If you after market stereo has rca-in, your set...
Also I wouldnt try to put a patent on any of this cause what you are doing to your xbox is illegal.. + what would xbmp and all the other app for the xbox be if they put a patent on them and made you pay for it.. it would kinda suck right.. and it prolly wouldnt have come this far so quick.. every-thing is OPEN SOURCE free to the taking or to the copiling.. well exept EVOX and some others..... FuCkERs. heheh but go right ahead and have fun with MS.. sorrry but that kinda pissed me off
wizard17.. 
ok im better <--- Dork 
-Infuscomus
the micoprocessor that controls the delay.from acc to run... Sound KICK ASS... That really makes it worth $170..
PS connecter was what i thought.. thanks for confirming. like i said before just get a controller port off a xbox.. off ebay or go here http://www.llamma.com/xbox/parts.htm look for "Xbox 2 USB Ports (Game pad Sockets)"
there is also a great pic of them there.. just pop one off and it to a cable the has the BREAK-AWAY thingy on it plus thats what most off the extention cable are now BREAK-AWAY extenders.. then just plug in your IR receiver.. you also could crack the IR receiver open and just wire it to a extender.. take your pick..
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on July 30, 2003, 10:34:00 PM
that TrippLite will work great.. hell with that one put a frig in you car too.. hehehe
Also pr0digy1 you never know that remote might work great.. just like in the begining of the xbox it was awhile befor madcatz release a remote and the one that were out M$ said they could void you warrenty... yeh..ok..right!! LeT JuSt GiVe More mOnEy tO M$ so there might be and open standard now.. who knows
BTW i didnt refresh my page.. i know im answering these Qs after my last post.. DoH
Post by: wizard17 on July 31, 2003, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: Infuscomus on July 31, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
On an off topic note: I just got a custom 3D jewel from NoRemorse666 and it is AWESOME! I'd seen pics of these things, but they do them no justice... just waiting on my light to arrive... I'll post some pics if it when I get the chance.
Post by: wizard17 on July 31, 2003, 04:59:00 PM
No it's different. This I made and It doesn't use any fancy equipment. Trust me. PM me and I'll tell you. You type like an honest person. The Red and White (L & R) audio signal gets sent to a headphone jack. A female JACK. Not the male connector. Listen just PM me.
Post by: Perplexer on August 01, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: pr0digy1 on August 17, 2003, 09:10:00 PM
just an update on xbox dvd remote..
i ordered a replica xbox remote and it works fine in evox and xbmp.
Post by: NizZ8 on September 11, 2003, 10:10:00 PM
..So what all cool stuff are you guys doing with your boxes in your truck/cars? here's what i have along with a few idea's:
currenlty using:
Xbmp:
*Music
*Video's
*Games (xbox and Emu's)
*Pictures
.. so nothing speical or out of the ordinary for the setup..
Idea's for future stuff:
*Wireless Net adapter for car-xbox (maybe useful when wireless becomes more common in cities.
*Put on linux.. ==.. i've been thinkng abou this one..
*Gps addidion to xbox somehow.. / or just even some mapping/street software for linux maybe? i couldn't find anything about this.
So what are some of yours guys plans/future ideas for your mobile xboxes?
Post by: kooks on September 12, 2003, 04:02:00 AM
Post by: san9jay on September 12, 2003, 05:29:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| JbBauer said: RCA IR repeater: Allows front seat remote control of the totally trunk enclosed xbox. I can get the part#, but basically there are two cones.. one transmitter in front.. and one receiver in back. Their sole job is to relay my xbox remote selections to the IR thing in the USB port... and this of course includes turning on and off the xbox. (btw I tried a Radio Shack RF learning remote with receiver and it sort of worked, if you have your xbox in the back seat this is probably the easy way to go, but for the trunk..aint happening.) The only problem is that I had to run 120V to the front from the trunk for the front transmitter cone ... so thieves beware (btw, undisclosed 120V security feature I'm not going to detail)! |
Good post jbbauer. The only thing i was thinking of was instead of bothering with an IR repeater I would install the XIRRemote directly in the front dashboard and just run the connecting wires to the XBOX.
The wireless controllers to buy are the logitech. I have two of them and they work very well.
Post by: NizZ8 on September 12, 2003, 12:48:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Well done. Xbox in my truck is my next project once i find a good deal on a used box and cheap HDD. |
Well KBToy outlet stores were selling Xbox refurbs (1.0's/1.1's) for 88$ last weekend (included xbox,controller,cables..)
for 88$ i took a shot at it and worked out great..
If your lucky enough to have a kbtoys outlet around you it might be worth your time to check it out.
Post by: NizZ8 on September 12, 2003, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: jbbauer on September 12, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
This way the XBMP would be ready to go by the time I've taken off the parking brake, installed the head units faceplate, and pulled the remote out of the center console. The media player is my main source of entertainment so it should power on/off just like the stereo.
I was thinking doing something like this. Only with an ON timer delay circuit. The delay is of course so that the xbox would be powered on only after the car is started and providing clean power for a couple seconds.
Seems like this would be a pretty cool setup, so interested to hear your ideas
Post by: jbbauer on September 12, 2003, 08:01:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| NizZ8: What other types of applications can you do with your box.. past the games/pictures/movies/music?.. anyone have linux running and doing some cool stuff with it? |
Not through the xbox but through my laptop's AV connection into my head unit, I plan to monitor engine sensors s.a. air / fuel ratios, EGT, acceleration/decel, etc. This is all through a replacement ECU with serial port adapter, and their software (plus some expensive add-on sensor replacements).
I personally like the xbox as just a media center. I can switch AV inputs to other functions s.a. rear video monitor and GPS navigation (not yet installed). So I'm not sure it really makes sense to integrate these features into the xbox. Most applications for the PC I'd prefer not to be running while I'm driving as I'm just trying to enjoy the ride.
This is really far fetched so be warned... But some cell phones allow cable adapters to connect to a computer. So with a laptop, a cell phone, a dial up ISP you basically have mobile internet (nothing new here). Not sure if this adapter works through an eithernet connection BUT if it did .. and if anyone ever gets windows (and eithernet drivers, etc) sucessfully running on the xbox you could download media off the web or off your home computer while driving. Potentially giving you limitless media. And with windows multitasking you could play media while waiting for the slow downloads. If the software could be integrated into XBMP all the better, but I doubt it, as I believe they would need to purchase many different software developers tool kits (to access low level hardware drivers) to work with all the phones that have this capability. But even with a laptop in the car it'd be awesome to search restraunts, check the temperature or weather...
...GoGo 3G wireless cellphone infrastructure with voice command, it will obsolete all our in car media centers! And with the 3G phone car adapter follow-ons it will provide engine dianostics, semi-auto drive, and friend locator. And of course forward all this info to Micro Soft to their human profiling software filters. Oh and beware of viruses corrupting your fuel management..."Do you want to report this error to MS?" haha the world in my eyes is your tomorrow.
Post by: NizZ8 on September 12, 2003, 10:00:00 PM
I've got an issue with noise entering my system when i add my xbox into the setup..
Noise occurs in my system when i connect the composite video connection into my TV tuner box for the video connection.. the noise is driving me nuts!.. i'm not sure what i can do to remove the noise.. i've got a common ground for all of the audio/video equiptment, it has NO noise when i remove the video---> TV tuner connection.. so i can have everything running (power inverter, xbox, amps tv tuner, Tv on, everything).. all of the Audio works, but when i plug in video to my tuner box, it generates a nice HUMM throgout my entire system!..
i've tried a few different noise filters, but can't find a 'video' noise filter (the audio ones seem to work, but by using them they do not allow any video to pass through. If anyone has some idea's I'm all ears..
Post by: NizZ8 on September 13, 2003, 06:09:00 AM
| QUOTE |
I had a similiar issue with my RCA connection into my master unit. I replaced my AV RCA wires with high priced shielded gold connection RCAs. I still had noise problem. So I made the outer metal RCA connections of all the RCAs touch each other. |
So when you did this, were you able to remove the noise close to completely?
| QUOTE |
| I don't know if this will work but here is a coule guesses. composite video is obviously very high freq relative to AV connections. The grounding rules at lower freqs no longer apply. When you say that you have a common ground there really is no such thing at high freqs, ie. if you tie all components with long wires to the same ground point on the car you've actually created impedance in your ground wires themselves. Instead connect each component to it's own VERY closest ground point. Impedance matching is very important. The component video cable you are using must have a consistent distributed impedence throughout ESPECIALLY at the connection points. So make sure the ends of the connectors connect very securely all the way around the female counterpart! You could also switch to a higher grade (usually higher cost) cable. A higher cost cable should give you three things: better connections at the endpoints, better matching impedance connections, and shielding which brings me to my next point. The cable is acting as an antenna. At only 10MHz it only takes 2 meters of cable to act as an antenna and attract EMI and RF. Therefore it is very important to use shielded cables that shield completely all the way into the connectors. The higher the freq the shorter the cabling needs to be to act as an antenna and attract EMI and RF noise. |
So what cables are you using to output from your xbox?.. are you using composite or using the HD/AdV pack, and then some hi-qual shieled wires..?
Thanks for the info, i'll see how it goes today..
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on September 13, 2003, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: NizZ8 on September 14, 2003, 01:00:00 PM
So what's happening now, is my tuner is getting grounded by the RCA connecter from the xbox, and removed the ground difference between the two.. now there is just a very small humm that enters the system when the volume is jacked way up, but it's not noticible anymore
Thanks for all of the input guys!.. The next thing i'm going to add to the Box is the XIR remote tool so i can power/on/off the box from my DVD remote.., thus allowing me to tuck the xbox in the back out of sight.. I was going to try the Doorbell method, but i figred a plug n play solution that XIR offers would be a bit less troublesome!
Anyone tried either of these solutions? wireless doorbell or the XIR solution?Also still looking for more cool ideas i can add into my new 'mobile box solution'.. it's sooooo nice now that my DVD remote came in for controlling XBMP!!!.
Post by: NizZ8 on September 14, 2003, 01:07:00 PM
now it's a lot more of a useful solution
Also i wired in a relay to allow me to turn on my video system when i turn on my vehicle.. I used the Remote wire from my head unit (blue wire) wired that into the 'switch' (coil on relay) that would turn on and off the relay. So then just ran that swtiched power to my Inverter, which powers my Xbox, and alos pulled power from the relay to the TV tuner box/Tv.. So when i turn on my Truck everything else comes on as expected.. also i have a switch on the TV so i don't surge my TV when i turn it all on..
Post by: NizZ8 on September 20, 2003, 09:05:00 PM
.. So now when i turn on my truck i just have to press the button and it will turn on my xbox in a radius of about 50-75 feet from my truck