Post by: Xbox-Scene on January 07, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
Xbox Game Saves Work on Xbox 360-- Posted by XanTium on January 7 22:26 EST
Over at xboxhacker.net Rymez2K managed to make an (original) Xbox gamesave work on his Xbox 360.
He created a gamesave in FIFA 2004 on his (modded) Xbox(1), ftp-ed it (UDATA\4541003b and TDATA\4541003b) to his PC. To get it on the Xbox 360 HD it's a bit more complicated of course ... he used the newly released big-endian FATX support in the Linux kernel to read the Xbox 360 FATX partitions via his PC.
Using the linux 'dd' command he made an image of the second FATX partition, mounted the image (that linux understands thanks to the new big-endian FATX support), copied the UDATA and TDATA dirs with the FIFA2004 gamesave to the mounted image, unmounted the image and 'dd'-ed it back to the Xbox 360 HD. More details about how he did it is available on xboxhacker.net or xboxhacker.net forums[Please remember if you choose to participate that this thread is for technical discussion only, thanks!]
After that he managed to load the FIFA2004 gamesave from his Xbox 360.
Post by: HushangIVVI on January 07, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
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Post by: Lamer123 on January 07, 2006, 09:01:00 PM
But I am pretty confident that it would have been posted if it had been done .
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Post by: prankfurter on January 07, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
but even if it let you play xbox 1 backups i would like
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Post by: JimmyGoon on January 07, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
I somehow at one point was kicked to the old MS dashboard that was actually running and the download being done there.... so I think there is potential to exploit the Backward Compatibilty Emulator and run unsigned xbox1 code... but I think the idea of somehow getting out of the Emulator into the Xbox 360 memory to run unsigned code is a diluted fantasy.
I would be interested in seeing XBMC on the 360
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
Since it basically relates to this area.
XBOX 360 Gamesaves (not legacy xbox1 saves) are hardcoded to each profile they reside in. Therefore, we won't see any sharing of gamesaves (RE: xbox-saves.com) this generation. Unless one would want to download an entirely new profile to say play the last level real quick or somethin. Nothing two helpful.
Each profile is given it's own 'ProfileID' which it uses to store its gamesaves and uniquely save them.
For example here is the layout of a gamesave with just Call of Duty 2.
CODE
/Content
/E0000ECA5A5364A4 <- Profile-ID
/FFFE07D1 <- Dash Version/TitleID
/00010000
/E0000ECA5A5364A4 <- Profile Data File
/415607D1 <- Call of Duty 2 TitleID
/00000001
/savegame.svg <- Call of Duty 2 Save
Each profile will contain the Profile Data File as well as a folder for each game's titleid and the contained saves.
Each savefile will contain the 'ProfileID' at offset 0x371 in the file. Thus, giving it some unique data and is then signed with the 2048 bit key. That way, this gamesave can be used ONLY with the profile data of the same ProfileID. Profile Data File's are signed as well, leave out any room for adjustments.
Arcade Content, Movies, Music, and Themes are a bit different. They are transferrable between profiles and between consoles.
Structure Example:
CODE
/Content
/0000000000000000 <- Blank instead of a 'ProfileID'
/584107D1 <- TitleID of Hexic
/000D0000
/584107D100000001 <- Hexic Package
/FFFE07D1 <- Dash Version/TitleID
/00020000 <- GamerPicture Collection
/FFFE07D11000.GamerPicture <- PIRS Archive Containing 64x64 PNG
/FFFE07D11001.GamerPicture
/00030000 <- Theme Collection
/easportstheme <- PIRS Archive of Theme - Wallpapers+Guide Image
/guntheme
/halo2theme
Based on my findings. The content appears not to be signed unique to each console. Moving from one console to another shouldn't be a problem as long as you place it in the correct directories.
Post by: CattyKid on January 07, 2006, 11:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 8 2006, 01:05 AM) 
Each savefile will contain the 'ProfileID' at offset 0x371 in the file. Thus, giving it some unique data and is then signed with the 2048 bit key. That way, this gamesave can be used ONLY with the profile data of the same ProfileID. Profile Data File's are signed as well, leave out any room for adjustments.
I'm particularly interested in THIS. This means that CoD2 and other games can sign files. Does this then mean that the numbers in the 2048 bit key are on the CoD2 disc? Would there be any way to FIND them (I'm sure they would have MAJOR encryption somehow, right?)? I find this VERY interesting. Is there any way that we could harness this to sign content like a 360 version of XBMC? There may not be a media check associated with this because the saves are not meant to be on burnable media.
This is kind of me talking out of my ass, with a shot-in the dark guess at something.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 07, 2006, 11:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 8 2006, 07:05 AM)
XBOX 360 Save Format Update: Copyin some info from my thread here. http://forums.xbox-s...t=462595&st=90#
<SNIP>
Based on my findings. The content appears not to be signed unique to each console. Moving from one console to another shouldn't be a problem as long as you place it in the correct directories.
My post isn't meant to be offensive simply constructive.
What good does that info do? Would we be able to smuggle xbox 1 saves into a xbox 360 save and be able to move it from console-2-console? Whats the story of cracking the emulator? See my above post where I tell you that there seems to be the legacy xbox dashboard running
fun fun fun!
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 11:14:00 PM
I posted my information because this thread is about how the 360 uses it's gamesaves. People enjoy sharing and trasnferring their xbox 1 gamesaves, they might like to know how this would work with 360 gamesaves. Thus, my post shows that it's not possible. Merely informatave.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 07, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 8 2006, 07:21 AM)
The legacy dash doesn't run. It's emulating that Titles 'Update.xbe' in order to get it's updates. Which will run the fonts from the backward compatibility partition. However, these .xbe's will have the font hole fixed. So no help.
I posted my information because this thread is about how the 360 uses it's gamesaves. People enjoy sharing and trasnferring their xbox 1 gamesaves, they might like to know how this would work with 360 gamesaves. Thus, my post shows that it's not possible. Merely informatave.
You sure about that part?
That doesn't prevent us from being able to run an exploit thru Splinter Cell though does it? And if would we be able to gain FTP access to .....er... what? the xbox ? the backward-compat partition or what????
Post by: Mhawk134 on January 07, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on January 07, 2006, 11:24:00 PM
QUOTE(JimmyGoon @ Jan 7 2006, 11:23 PM)
You sure about that part?
That doesn't prevent us from being able to run an exploit thru Splinter Cell though does it? And if would we be able to gain FTP access to .....er... what? the xbox ? the backward-compat partition or what????
Of course the font hole will be fixed. If not, the entire exploit is based on a buffer overflow. It won't work simply because of the existance of the hypervisor.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 07, 2006, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 8 2006, 07:31 AM)
Of course the font hole will be fixed. If not, the entire exploit is based on a buffer overflow. It won't work simply because of the existance of the hypervisor.
okay okay... I thought you meant that MS actually patched the files / implementation to prevent that from happening (or I guess that IS what they hypervisor is for... hmmm) lol
okay. but STILL... could we run EvoX thru Splinter Cell or is the hypervisor restricting us again? I don't know enough about the mechanics of the Game Exploits to know...
what exactly does the hypervisor prevent from happening... How does it know that whatever its blocks... isn't SUPPOSED to happen? (sorry if thats insanly confusing)
Post by: kezor on January 07, 2006, 11:31:00 PM
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 07, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
QUOTE(kezor @ Jan 8 2006, 07:38 AM)
hypervision blocks all unsigned code, making it very hard to run homebrew, hypervision is at the cpu level so they would have to work all the way down to that level
I hate to block dev by asking stupid questions but how does the hypervisor know? Esp when its running inside of an emulator... its not the emulator is reporting all of its actions to the hypervisor is it??
/me confused... I'll step out of the way now since I don't understand this hypervisor hoopla
Post by: zikronix on January 07, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: M-K-E! on January 08, 2006, 12:05:00 AM
MA and 007:AUF arent supported in the backwards compatibily...so those 2 are gone...
and have you ever tried to run the SC exploit with the live updates installed? it takes you to the dash and says contact MS... why wouldnt ms include that part in the emu file you get from live...
so, about the only option in that direction we have is to find a new game that's compatible with live that has some kinda hole in it that ms hasnt seen...
and i too would like to know some stuff about they hypervisor...
is it "hard-coded" to check and not allow for unsigned code to run, or does it do it's job using instructions from the bios...
i have some other idea's, but im poor and have no 360 to help....i actually was about to do this on the 22nd of december at school when a kid brought in his 360, but he wouldnd let me lol.
Post by: mrjiggles139 on January 08, 2006, 12:37:00 AM
maybe M$ expected this to happen and coded some kind of special error screen for it :"We fixed it. Nice try"
Post by: bourke on January 08, 2006, 12:44:00 AM
QUOTE(mrjiggles139 @ Jan 8 2006, 08:44 AM)
At this point i think its obvious that the exploit wont work like it does on the xbox but that doesnt stop us from bein curious about what WILL happen when the save is loaded in the 360
maybe M$ expected this to happen and coded some kind of special error screen for it :"We fixed it. Nice try"
Will someone please try those Splinter Cell save-games out using this method and put us all out of our misery!
I would have done it yesterday if the 360 was released here instead of in 52 days time, dammit!
Cheers,
Bourkie
Post by: Lamer123 on January 08, 2006, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: bourke on January 08, 2006, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Lamer123 @ Jan 8 2006, 09:43 AM)
In my opinion , if they can fix a game hack with a new release of a game then they can fix it with an emulated OS . So nuts to that .
That is not logical as:
1. they only released a new MechAssault - the other two games were never patched.
2. they did release new versions of the XBox1 OS and the XBox1 OS has nothing to do with what a game does with its allocated memory.
Post by: Romps on January 08, 2006, 05:09:00 AM
For all those games u dont want to beat again.
It shows the hypervisor dont check everything going on if he could get a saved game to work from xbox to 360
But ive not read if he removed the signing from the origanal xbox save ?
Post by: deadparrot on January 08, 2006, 05:10:00 AM
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Post by: DivyX on January 08, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
There's been some "it won't work" theories in the past but then it actually were possible/worked.
Wasn't that past 130gb hd or something one example of that sort??
Anyway, we'd be foolish not to try this
because of speculation which is never ending until proven right or wrong. So to you all who ever have the means now to test these things, Please do so and report your findings back. We have so little weaponry and ?lack of deep knowledge? that i think everything in above sense must be tried.
Post by: mksoftware on January 08, 2006, 07:17:00 AM
Post by: Tomobobo on January 08, 2006, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(M-K-E! @ Jan 8 2006, 08:12 AM)
why does everyone thing the splinter cell gamesave exploits will work?...
and have you ever tried to run the SC exploit with the live updates installed? it takes you to the dash and says contact MS... why wouldnt ms include that part in the emu file you get from live...
Dude, are you dumb? How do you think we get softmodded 1.6s? The splinter cell exploit works on every dash version. Krazies softmod installer, that works.. so, maybe the splinter cell exploit will work on the 360. Don't say it doesn't work untill someone gives you a video showing them put the damn game in, try to run it and it fails. Untill then, try it for yourself, or let the pros go to work.
Post by: OpticNurv on January 08, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Tomobobo @ Jan 8 2006, 07:06 AM)
Dude, are you dumb? How do you think we get softmodded 1.6s? The splinter cell exploit works on every dash version. Krazies softmod installer, that works.. so, maybe the splinter cell exploit will work on the 360. Don't say it doesn't work untill someone gives you a video showing them put the damn game in, try to run it and it fails. Untill then, try it for yourself, or let the pros go to work.
DAMN RIGHT FIGHT THE POWE......
oops, i just pooped a little....seriously though, that's the additude that'll get the 360 hacked, it works until proven otherwise!
Post by: ViNCe_V on January 08, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Tomobobo @ Jan 8 2006, 04:06 PM)
How do you think we get softmodded 1.6s?
Maybe I was out of whack when this occured. Cause as far as I know, the v1.6 boxes could not have a softmod with flashed TSOP and therefore recquired modchips. Also, while we should never really assume anything, I think it would only be smart to place your money on the fact that MS coded the EMULATOR to avoid the type of softmod's earlier developed. However, who knows, maybe with a little finess, it would be possible to do something with this. I still do think we should try it, just for the hell of it
But, I think our energies would be better spent on developing a 360 Modchip that can run unsigned code. At which point maybe some group could modify the emulator such that it can run unsigned code as well (HELLO XBMC!). Just my two cents.
Post by: pez2k on January 08, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Also, I doubt anything will come of the old hacked saves, am I right in thinking that the 360 is even protected against buffer overflows? Anyway, anything that has been done to the original Xbox will nearly definitely be patched on the 360, I'd guess even in the emulation, MS aren't daft. Well, aren't that daft.
One other thing I'm wondering, how do HDD-signed saves like Forza work on the 360? Does the actual HDD have a key again of the same format, or is one emulated? It might be worth a try swapping a 360-created Forza save to a different 360 as an experiment. I'd try it, except I don't even own a single 360, never mind a pair. It isn't of any importance I suppose, but it'd be a tiny bit more information on how the 360 does things at least.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 08, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Whats the chance of sneeking one in with a 360 gamesave and copying it and not having the 360 know?
Post by: DivyX on January 08, 2006, 09:27:00 AM
As some1 already pointed out, the emulation part of the 360 would be of great if it could be hacked 'cause of xbmc alone. Nevertheless does any1 know whats the relation with the emulator and hypervisor, how separately does the emulation run in 360 or does hypervisor for example affect it?
Post by: M-K-E! on January 08, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Tomobobo @ Jan 8 2006, 04:06 PM)
Dude, are you dumb? How do you think we get softmodded 1.6s? The splinter cell exploit works on every dash version. Krazies softmod installer, that works.. so, maybe the splinter cell exploit will work on the 360. Don't say it doesn't work untill someone gives you a video showing them put the damn game in, try to run it and it fails. Untill then, try it for yourself, or let the pros go to work.
yes, the splinter cell exploit does work on all dashboard's...unless you have the live updates for splinter cell installed, ie so you can download the new levels...
Post by: Emerica on January 08, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
If your writing together guides for this please make it as complicated as possible so the general public cant hack up thier gamesaves.
Post by: s00pcan on January 08, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Emerica @ Jan 8 2006, 07:09 PM)
Well its a sad day for Xbox live if this is working.
If your writing together guides for this please make it as complicated as possible so the general public cant hack up thier gamesaves.
This is the General Technical Hacking Discussion, not the "i here u can h4x h410 ez!' n00b board. Hacking gamesaves to cheat is already possible and has already been done on the xbox 1. If you remember, there was a reload hack for halo 2 gamesaves. You don't need to worry about the general public being able to hack gamesaves, because the general public is stupid and do not have modded xboxes. This way of getting them on the 360 is even more complicated, not that it makes much of a difference, and the native xbox 360 gamesaves are signed to each console and profile, according to earlier in this thread. Also, you're, not your.
Post by: M-K-E! on January 08, 2006, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(RocketMBA @ Jan 8 2006, 07:02 PM)
It's never done that for me.
really...anyone else have that not happen? it happens to me all the time if the person had previously download the levels...if i try to run the game, even if i cold boot it with the game in there it will immediatly go to the dash and say there's a problem with the disc....
Post by: GeToChKn on January 08, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
For trying to run it: Before everyone just figures they are going to run this gamesave and be in, I think everyone needs to read up and learn how these exploits worked. I'm no expert on it but from what I've READ and not guessed, basically the game save lets them trigger a buffer overflow which lets them overwrite the key in memory with something easily divisible by 3. This then lets us resign the xbe we are trying to run with a key that can be calculated easily. This probally won't work since they have probally changed their public key and as eveyone says, the hypervisor will catch any buffer overflow. If you don't believe the hypervisor will do that, READ the pages and pages of info on it. That's the whole purpose of the thing. In some cases this XBE was Evox. Sometimes it was PBL or NTPacker. PBL and NTPacker are going to be useless because they load a patched bios or patch the current bios, both which are XBox bioses and not 360 bioses. Trying to patch the current bios which we know nothing about, will do nothing but get the hypervisor mad again. As for running the game save that just loads the resigned evox, even if it did run or something, we'd only be able to see the XBox1 partition at the most. It's not coded to see the 360 partitions since it's a different file type.
We're only talking about an emulator here and not the actual system. Try using one of those VMWare products for a while and you'll appreciate whats going on. It will let you boot up a whole different instance of your computer and operating system in a window, you see the bios booting up again and everything. The nifty thing about it is that you tell it what resources it can see and can't see, and if that instance of the operating system crashes, it only crashes that window and that instance, not your whole machine.
Post by: Overloaded on January 08, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on January 08, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
1: Exploit is based on a Buffer Overflow in the gamesave file. Hypervisor won't allow this, it handles all exceptions.
2: Just by chance you get based 1, the exploit is built to make the public key factorable, then launch an xbe signed with this key. This xbe is hardcoded to launch from a xbox1 based partition (/e/) which is not going to be on this system.
3: And if lightnign strikes u twice and manage to still launch the exploit xbe. There is no emulation built into the TDBX.db file on the backward compatibility drive for the homebrew dash titleid. It won't know how to handle loading that xbe and tell you (this game isn't supported yet).
Sorry to shit on your hopes. But your all hoping for something way to obvious. Actually do some work.
Post by: Musashi on January 08, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 8 2006, 04:20 PM)
Let me give you a few of the million reasons why this WONT work.
1: Exploit is based on a Buffer Overflow in the gamesave file. Hypervisor won't allow this, it handles all exceptions.
2: Just by chance you get based 1, the exploit is built to make the public key factorable, then launch an xbe signed with this key. This xbe is hardcoded to launch from a xbox1 based partition (/e/) which is not going to be on this system.
3: And if lightnign strikes u twice and manage to still launch the exploit xbe. There is no emulation built into the TDBX.db file on the backward compatibility drive for the homebrew dash titleid. It won't know how to handle loading that xbe and tell you (this game isn't supported yet).
Sorry to shit on your hopes. But your all hoping for something way to obvious. Actually do some work.
I completely agree, there would have to be compatibility for homebrew apps on the Xbox1 emulator. I dont think M$ would add that kind of emulation...
Post by: Angerwound on January 08, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Zanzang @ Jan 8 2006, 06:52 PM)
I have a question...
Does anyone know where the ProfileID comes from? Is it in relation to the system serial, the gamertag it's under, the game it's under, etc.?
If we found out what it is made from, could we use this to take (X) the input and (Z) the final output to find (Y) the public key?
'ProfileID' is what I dubbed the serial it assigns your profile. The origins of where this number comes from, I'm not aware of currently.
As for your idea.. no
Post by: LoganDzwon on January 09, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: gamemaster14 on January 09, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: PedrosPad on January 09, 2006, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(gamemaster14 @ Jan 10 2006, 01:49 AM)
I read some of this topic and just wanted to know one little thing. How exactly do I take an xbox 1 save and put it on the 360 so I can play a game with it? Does anyone have instructions and requirements?
See here.
In summary, you
- Play and save an original XBOX1 game.
- FTP off the folders that contain the GameSavs - the E:\UDATA & E:\TDATA folders from the XBOX1 HDD.
- Use a version of Linux with big-endian FATX support.
- Plug the X360 HDD into a PC SATA card.
- Use Linux 'dd' command to rip the entire X360 physical disk to a datafile.
- Use Linux to mount a partition in the datafile as a drive.
- Copy over the E:\UDATA & E:\TDATA.
- Unmount the X360 HDD datafile.
- Use the Linux 'dd' command to write the entire X360 HDD datafile back to the physical disk.
- Restore X360 HDD to X360 console and boot your XBOX1 original game. Your saves should be available.
Post by: s0ftm0d on January 10, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: s0ftm0d on January 11, 2006, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: PedrosPad on January 11, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
, but regarding backwards compatibility, how do you 'manage' XBOX1 GameSavs on the X360 (view, remove them, etc.), as you would have done with the old XBOX1 Dashboard? 
Post by: PedrosPad on January 11, 2006, 05:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 11 2006, 01:30 PM)
Pedro: You can view saves from Memory -> Then choose a profile then Games and it should be in there.
Just going from memory as I am at work. However when you select the save all you can do is delete. You cannot move or copy the save.
Hope that helps.
Thx for that. So, if I'm reading you right, the legacy XBOX1 GameSavs are listed right along side any X360 GameSavs.
Post by: Angerwound on January 11, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Contents:
*XBOX0 = Classic XBOX X: Partition
*XBOX1 = Classic XBOX Y: Partition
*XBOX2 = Classic XBOX Z: Partition
Partition 2 - Backward Compatibility Partition
Contents:
*XBOX1 Fonts
*TDBX.DB (Database of Supported XBOX1 Titles)
Partition 3 - Main System Partition
Contents:
*Music, Videos, DLC, Gamerpics, Themes, Gamesaves (360 and Legacy)...
Xplorer360 used to view the contents. Currently only a private beta build. Look for it's release soon.
Post by: Overloaded on January 11, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
im pretty sure that if they were manually added to the xbox360 hdd in the right partition and play for xbox1 that then original xbox game that supported the custom soundtracks would see it.
i know of 2 games that support custom soundtracks and that are compatable (GTA3 and GTA vice city) could anyone try this please.
Post by: Emerica on January 11, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
QUOTE(s00pcan @ Jan 8 2006, 07:18 PM)
This is the General Technical Hacking Discussion, not the "i here u can h4x h410 ez!' n00b board. Hacking gamesaves to cheat is already possible and has already been done on the xbox 1. If you remember, there was a reload hack for halo 2 gamesaves. You don't need to worry about the general public being able to hack gamesaves, because the general public is stupid and do not have modded xboxes. This way of getting them on the 360 is even more complicated, not that it makes much of a difference, and the native xbox 360 gamesaves are signed to each console and profile, according to earlier in this thread. Also, you're, not your.
Picky picky, It was a kind request. And the average noob does have easy access to cheats and hacks via gamesaves. We have allready seen the results of this with Halo2 as policies were even put in place here to try and crack down on discussion of the topic. While I support the modding community, an easy step by step guide on howto do this just giving the noobs a headstart. Its nice to know the 360 saves are signed, but it still opens the possibilities of 1rst gen cheat saves being loaded.
btw idunt cqar aboot my gammer and spooling.
Post by: networkBoy on January 12, 2006, 09:54:00 AM
Any indication that TDBX.DB is signed in any way?
While launching homebrew in the emulator* would be prevented if the emulator does not think it is approvved, why not approve it ourselves? Granted this is making some assumptions: 1) the db is not signed, 2) we understand what the db structure is.
*thoughts on the Hypervisor and unsigned code:
The hypervisor can not be expected to know every single game title released evidence that the hypervisor may not care about Xbox1 titles exists in the fact that a seperate list is needed to authorize the emulator to run a game. Likely the hypervisor only checks the emulator engine and not the code it is running. If this is true then we can at least run in a sandbox on the 360, and excellent step in the right direction.
I feel that this is a real possibility simply based on ms's track record of chaining security systems together and having these systems trust each other. In this case the hypervisor trusts the emulator enough that it allows it to run based on it's own list. I fully expect that the hypervisor would do a good job at containing any exceptions to come out of the emulator, however, so we are likely to be locked in our sandbox.
-nB
Post by: lordvader129 on January 12, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(s0ftm0d @ Jan 10 2006, 02:19 PM)
Has anyone even tried to put the Splinter save over for the exploit try, or is everyone just waiting on someone else to do it? That way we can put an end of this convo.
QUOTE(modthebox.tk @ Jan 10 2006, 08:26 PM)
I sure that there are a lot of people trying to accomplishe this, but in theory it will not work because the Xbox 360 is protected against such threats
QUOTE(s0ftm0d @ Jan 11 2006, 01:36 AM)
It really doesn't take 2 days to transfer the save game files over and try the softmod. I am willing to bet my car that it doesn't work, all the facts point to that, but you will have the people who will fight it no matter what. So just try the damn thing.
i really hope someone does this soon, not that i think it will work, but hopefully it will shut everyone up about it
Post by: Enixile on February 01, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
Now, what if we are unable to approve xbes in the emulator... well, could we make the xbes appear approved? If it is known how the emulator verifies an xbe as one that is approved, maybe we could modify our xbes to fit the criteria for a different game or xbe that has been approved (maybe someone could make an application to do so?). Is it possible that the emulator only checks certain parts of the xbe header? As networkBoy said, the emulator can't verify every xbe by all of its code or it would have to take up a lot more space, I would assume. If this worked, maybe we could find a game that provides the most stable environment for xbox applications in general and work from there.
I apologize for not having much background knowledge on emulators and such. Also, sorry if I misunderstood anything or missed someones post regarding something I asked.