Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 22, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
So, here's the deal. MS lied.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Xbox power cords. MS just had the recall to cover their butts (they had to do something, but recaling every 1.0/1.1 console would be way too expensive).
The real problem is the Foxlink power supply. There have been numerous reports of "loose power connectors" in xboxes, and the cause of this is that the solder joints on the PSU have actually broken where the connector mounts to the board, which can result in the xbox not powering on, or possibly even sparks, smoke, and fire.
this is a picture taken on one of MY OWN Foxlink 1.0/1.1 power supplies, and sure enough, the solder joints are broken. I checked another psu, they were broken too. So, although MS reports "about 1 in 10,000 failures", the problem is actually much more common, but usually has no results. The Foxlink PSU is a timebomb.
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/g0t_m4xx_21/foxlink-edited.jpg)
So, instead of taking the costly duty of recalling all older xboxes, what do they do? They give you a power cord with this huge GFI thing. This in no way will solve the problem, it is merely a bandaid. So, when your PSU sparks and shorts out, it just trips a switch instead of catching fire, but your xbox still doesn't work.
With the newer xboxes, you get a replacement power cord that doesnt look any different. Why? Because theres nothing wrong.
All of you with a 1.0 or 1.1, I would HIGHLY suggest checking to see if you have a foxlink PSU, and if you do, to resolder these 2 joints, a huge blob on em seems to fix the problem.
This was MS's uber-lame attempt at a coverup.
Post by: thesideinguy on February 22, 2005, 11:10:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 22 2005, 08:20 PM)
All of you with a 1.0 or 1.1, I would HIGHLY suggest checking to see if you have a foxlink PSU, and if you do, to resolder these 2 joints, a huge blob on em seems to fix the problem.
not trying to dump on the entire thread because some good research was put in to this.
the only thing i have to say is "the bigger the blob the better the job?"
i think not.
a bigger blob of sloder is actualy weaker than the corect amount.
i am a professional and i solder on USN aircraft circuitry for a living.
this is what i do every day, and i am a master at it.
i would sugest another fix, like some sort of non conducting bracket, or super glue or something.
This post has been edited by thesideinguy: Feb 23 2005, 07:12 AM
Post by: dIsEaSe on February 22, 2005, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 22, 2005, 11:16:00 PM
Thers a pic of the same PSU as above, after I fixed the joint.
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/g0t_m4xx_21/foxlink001.jpg)
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Feb 23 2005, 07:20 AM
Post by: grug on February 22, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf2.jpg
http://img210.exs.cx/img210/4093/dscf00010kq.jpg
Other people get normal cords such as
http://www.shaunewing.com/miscimages/xboxcord.jpg
If the "power cord recall" is just to stop the 1.0 and 1.1 PSUs from starting a fire (which I believe is the case.) why are newer machines getting replacemennt power cords?
Or have MS just used this one recall to fix problems with multiple Xbox versions?
Post by: dIsEaSe on February 22, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 22, 2005, 11:04:00 PM
It is only the 1.0/1.1 powersuppplies that have this design flaw, so that is why they get the rigged "xbox anti-fire" cord.
As for the others, they dont really need a new cord, and the replacements arent really any different. Supposedly, they just have a tighter fit in the plug, which could possibly prevent and arcing from the prongs of the PSU to the plug (and will also increace the stress on the solder joints on the PSU
)
Post by: FoxRacR17 on February 22, 2005, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: anjilslaire on February 22, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
Is there a no-solder fix for this on these psu's?
I'm all softmodded because I'm not into soldering. Not afraid to open her up and play a bit, I've replaced the hd, and such, but anyways?
Edit:
conductive ink, perhaps?
This post has been edited by anjilslaire: Feb 23 2005, 08:01 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on February 22, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
QUOTE(grug @ Feb 22 2005, 10:55 PM)
If the "power cord recall" is just to stop the 1.0 and 1.1 PSUs from starting a fire (which I believe is the case.) why are newer machines getting replacemennt power cords?
Or have MS just used this one recall to fix problems with multiple Xbox versions?
Or have MS just used this one recall to fix problems with multiple Xbox versions?
its just to stop the whiners who say "how come my friend with a 1.0 gets a new power cord and me and my 1.5 cant get anything free"
they just send the 1.2-1.6ers a regualr power cord
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
Hmm, digging around in my eeprom list on my comp, I ordered 2 more (it will only let me order 3). Yay!
So, it seems that all xboxes with a foxlink PSU get a new cord, but only the 1.0/1.1 foxlinks get the clunker, and all other 1.0/1.1 psu brands get a normal cord.
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Feb 23 2005, 08:12 AM
Post by: Trevante on February 23, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
Post by: xman954 on February 23, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
it is a ARC FAULT INTERUPTER and there not cheap..
the best fix is to remove all the solder then wrap buss wire
around the posts and run it along the trace then solder it all...
Post by: grug on February 23, 2005, 02:45:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 23 2005, 06:29 AM)
its just to stop the whiners who say "how come my friend with a 1.0 gets a new power cord and me and my 1.5 cant get anything free"
they just send the 1.2-1.6ers a regualr power cord
Not true, my friend has a PAL 1.5 and was told he did not require one.
they just send the 1.2-1.6ers a regualr power cord
Post by: henno on February 23, 2005, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 23, 2005, 04:23:00 AM
Post by: hippo on February 23, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: networkBoy on February 23, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
As to the guy who suggested conductive ink: This is a mechanical failure, ink won't help. Aside from that the power requirements are high enough I wouldn't trust that gunk anyway.
-nB
Post by: xman954 on February 23, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
"you sent me this new cord and now it keeps reseting the red button,
i think it is defective and i will have to use the old cord untill i get a new one "
and see what they say...
maybe they will send a new xbox
Post by: basso4735 on February 23, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: munkle on February 23, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on February 23, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
-BxN
Post by: ChipInABox on February 23, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: chasealicious11 on February 23, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
what are some common fixes to broken power supplies
Post by: anticrap1234 on February 23, 2005, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: brahm2 on February 23, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: TheMoho on February 23, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
Bye the way, my xbox 1.0 has the same problem with the power coard. It is very loose.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: TheMoho on February 23, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: trunkster on February 23, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: poe zah on February 23, 2005, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: ruli00 on February 23, 2005, 06:05:00 PM
M$ sent me a cord that looks almost the same
(bigger head where it plugs into the xbox)
solder joints look ok
-ruli00 <
Post by: flashfreak on February 23, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE(grug @ Feb 23 2005, 03:55 PM)
Why is it that while us 1.0 and 1.1 owners are getting cords like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf2.jpg
http://img210.exs.cx/img210/4093/dscf00010kq.jpg
Other people get normal cords such as
http://www.shaunewing.com/miscimages/xboxcord.jpg
If the "power cord recall" is just to stop the 1.0 and 1.1 PSUs from starting a fire (which I believe is the case.) why are newer machines getting replacemennt power cords?
Or have MS just used this one recall to fix problems with multiple Xbox versions?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JuggaloZeke/wtf2.jpg
http://img210.exs.cx/img210/4093/dscf00010kq.jpg
Other people get normal cords such as
http://www.shaunewing.com/miscimages/xboxcord.jpg
If the "power cord recall" is just to stop the 1.0 and 1.1 PSUs from starting a fire (which I believe is the case.) why are newer machines getting replacemennt power cords?
Or have MS just used this one recall to fix problems with multiple Xbox versions?
That is not cool! I thought i'd get a free cord or 2 bcos u can use em for anything, but these are horrible, does that thing even do anything? They could've just given away normal power cords and said the wires were stronger or suttin.
But this is just poor! I don't want one like that! :(
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
QUOTE(trunkster @ Feb 23 2005, 11:58 PM)
Who makes the foxlink psu? I recieved the GFI cord from MS, though my psu is made by Minebea Electronics UK, is this who makes the foxlink psu then?
Foxlink Technologies Ltd. Makes the PSU
http://www.foxlink.com/
Post by: FoxRacR17 on February 23, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
Heres some pics of my PSU in my 1.1:
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FoxRacR17/66e8ad9e.jpg)
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FoxRacR17/4db8b61b.jpg) <
Post by: anticrap1234 on February 23, 2005, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: 666Mafia on February 23, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: Infamous_One on February 23, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
QUOTE(666Mafia @ Feb 24 2005, 12:12 AM)
What if your dash says it's a 1.1/1.2 version? Do I have a foxlink or a delta? I use MXM as my main dash. Please help me out with this one.
you have to open the XBox to know which PSU it has.
and yeah , mine is a Foxlink PSU , a long time ago i fixed that loose connection.
but ordered 3 , 2 of the serials that i used were made up and says that they shipped them.
Post by: DeeMan on February 23, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
I took my box apart, and got to the PSU, and didn't know how to take the bastard out, without having to remove a shitload of wires, and some that don't look like they'd go back? <
Post by: trunkster on February 23, 2005, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 23 2005, 04:03 PM)
So MS can't tell exactly what PSU everyone has by the serial number and manufacture date? So I suppose I'm safe then from the problem as long as it isn't foxlink then.
Post by: beergutt on February 23, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: Dinh on February 23, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
QUOTE(DeeMan @ Feb 24 2005, 12:21 AM)
Anyone care to provide a quick step-by step to getting the PSU out so you can re-solder it?
I took my box apart, and got to the PSU, and didn't know how to take the bastard out, without having to remove a shitload of wires, and some that don't look like they'd go back?
I took my box apart, and got to the PSU, and didn't know how to take the bastard out, without having to remove a shitload of wires, and some that don't look like they'd go back?
Unplug the power cord (you should have done this already), the big mobo power cable (1.0/1.1: just pull it really hard while wiggling, 1.2-1.6: there is a small clip you have to push), and the HDD power cable.
The PSU is held in with two torx 10 screws, they are on the left side, one in the front, one in the back. Remove the screws, then pull the power supply forward, then up.
On the backside where the power plug is is where you need to strengthen the solder joint.
Post by: chadkeck on February 23, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
Is this right? Looks like the adapter's on the front page of XS had an AC adapter plug into the wall?
Post by: dfunked on February 23, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
QUOTE(beergutt @ Feb 24 2005, 10:26 AM)
i fixed my buddies power supply a few months back in this exact spot
Same here, did it for 2 mates who complained about the cable being loose, and sure enough those spots were horribly falling apart.
My XBox wasn't so lucky. After having it fail to turn on, I decided to check for the same thing on my Foxlink PSU (loose joints). Well, after pulling it out to check it out, turns out there was still power in the capacitors or whatever, and I got one hell of an electric shock that scared the hell out of me. After coming to grips with what just happened, I grabbed some non-conductive gloves and had a closer look.
Those 2 joints had been nuked, and I ran a screwdriver over all the points to discharge wherever the electricity still was, until I got a big spark from one of them adn that was it - PSU was dead. Thankfully it happened OUTSIDE of the XBox and didn't fry my house (if not my hand
)I've got a replacement PSU, doesn't look like one of these shoddy Foxlink's to me, although the power cable doesn't sit well in this one either, so I'm looking forward to getting my MS one..
I wonder if these '30 cases' that had minor burns to their hands got to sue MS? Wonder if I have a case on my hands (pun not intended).
Post by: linkfan3 on February 23, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 23 2005, 06:29 AM)
its just to stop the whiners who say "how come my friend with a 1.0 gets a new power cord and me and my 1.5 cant get anything free"
they just send the 1.2-1.6ers a regualr power cord
they just send the 1.2-1.6ers a regualr power cord
Ugh actually i have a version 1.3 and mine has sparked. ALOT!!!!!!!!
O also the solder thingy might wear out because i noticed this a while ago and fixed it but it sparked again. Not sure if it still will work because it wont power on and I haven't tryed to solder it again.
This post has been edited by linkfan3: Feb 24 2005, 02:17 AM
Post by: me_007x on February 23, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Can't help but wonder if they are going to match my serial number to XBL and discover that my box is banned and then going to send some blokes around to kick my butt.
Is it definitely only the Foxlink that gets the big fat thing 'cause M$ said my machine did require a new power cord and, since M$ has hardly made any money out of the xbox, it seems a bit silly for them to send everyone a new power cord if they don't need to.
Post by: digiblur on February 23, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(chadkeck @ Feb 24 2005, 12:38 AM)
Ummmm... I live in North America and I just received a regular-looking power cord.
Is this right? Looks like the adapter's on the front page of XS had an AC adapter plug into the wall?
Is this right? Looks like the adapter's on the front page of XS had an AC adapter plug into the wall?
Hope that's not your site in the signature... advertising piracy, eh?
The Goods
When you get a mod from me with the 120 Gigabye harddrive you can choose 30 of the Xbox games listed below PLUS any/all of the emulators listed below also!!! The games are the FULL RETAIL copy you would buy from a store. The emulators are always the latest, greatest version. And the utilities I put on are standard and will come with all mods done.
Post by: inuyasha44720 on February 23, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: networkBoy on February 23, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(digiblur @ Feb 24 2005, 12:56 AM)
Hope that's not your site in the signature... advertising piracy, eh?
Not to mention:
Option #1 Extra Xbox Games
Includes:
-One Retail Xbox game not listed on games page.
-OR substitute game not listed as one of 30 from package for $5.
-(Space permitting.)
-Price: $7 each
-Time: 1-7 days
Selling pirated games. Dude, you're not that bright.
-nB
Post by: ruciz on February 23, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: FoxRacR17 on February 23, 2005, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE(chadkeck @ Feb 24 2005, 12:38 AM)
Ummmm... I live in North America and I just received a regular-looking power cord.
Is this right? Looks like the adapter's on the front page of XS had an AC adapter plug into the wall?
Is this right? Looks like the adapter's on the front page of XS had an AC adapter plug into the wall?
He was quick to remove that website, not the brightest thing to sell pirated games. And to advertise it on the internet! Thats pretty much like inviting the FBI over for beer and pretzle's.
Post by: randygbk on February 23, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Hopefully enough controversy can be stirred up by this because I think alot of mainstream people have had their Xboxes fail and just gave up on them or got new ones because of this. The fact that they would try and cover it up is surprising, but out of all 5 of my original friends with a 1.0 Xbox, only 2 have not had the broken connections. I wonder what the actual percentage of all Xboxes in the marketplace exhibiting this problem is?
Post by: fantom_kode on February 23, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
But seriously, it was only a matter of time. I have the Foxlink PSU in my box, and it has exactly the same problem. I should prolly go fix it now.... I am worried about the device in the GFI, tho....
Post by: FoxRacR17 on February 23, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(fantom_kode @ Feb 24 2005, 01:31 AM)
IS there more to this than meets the eye? YES!!! M$ knows that half of all modders in the scene have 1.0 - 1.1's! There is a secret device inside the GFI that will activate exactly 72 hours after you install it! IT WILL FRY YOUR MOD! AND RAPE YOUR DOG! All is not lost, however. There is still time! Loose the machines of war, let fall the shroud of peace and all will be plunged into the eternal light the flames glorious salvation! The time for peace has ended! Now is the time to make war, my brothers and sisters! Rise up to quell the unholy infestation that pollutes the earth with its stench! Rise up brethren, and claim victory! We will burn its unholy walls and machinations of evil, and on its foundations we will pour the molten fire of truth! Leave not one standing, my children, all of its dark servants must be pulled into the light of truth! If they resist you, you must cleanse the earth of their presence in holy fire! The end of its tyrannical, fascist rule is nigh, and we, brethren, are the devices of its damnation! We shall cast it and all those loyal to its lies into the deepest pit of hell! The Day of Judgment is at hand, and they must answer for their crimes! MS will burn!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! you have some mind brotha
Post by: pagancow on February 23, 2005, 06:29:00 PM
My 1.0 Powersupply mainboard did crack and was sparking because of a weak solder. I re-soldered it but it could still break again easly.
The new powercord slides right inside the connector and isn't nearly as tight as the cord that came with it. It also has a fuse, which the board originally didn't. This _DOES_ fix the problems that would occur to an xbox that isn't damaged from people mashing power cords straight into the system.
Honestly people shoud be a little more careful with these electronics. Jamming cables into a socket repetetly will eventually break it. Of course the really tight power cable didn't help.
This post has been edited by pagancow: Feb 24 2005, 02:32 AM
Post by: me_007x on February 23, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE
I'm not sure why everybody is complaing that MS is ripping off people, These are much more expensive to make than the regular power cord, and they are giving them away for FREE.
But cheaper than replacing all the xbox's that are effected.
Also cheaper that a law suit
Post by: THDVL on February 23, 2005, 06:39:00 PM
Guess I'll open it up and see if I need to take further action and solder the damn thing.. I would hate to have my xbox fry. It would be a terrible loss...
Post by: Xb0XmAn on February 23, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
Its fine now, and I seriously doubted the powercord story.. I mean what can u manufacter wrong on an powercable??
Post by: majik655 on February 23, 2005, 07:10:00 PM
I agree it is the power supply..I have "fixed" many of these power supplies as I am sure alot of other people have.
I am glad it has been pointed out!
Post by: pagancow on February 23, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
QUOTE(me_007x @ Feb 24 2005, 01:37 AM)
But cheaper than replacing all the xbox's that are effected.
Also cheaper that a law suit
Also cheaper that a law suit
False, MS has enough money to counter any lawsuit, except monopoly lawsuits for windows.
MS Hardware has always based themselves on good service. I've had many perheriferals BREAK, and MS just sent me a brand new one after recieving my serial number. That means that once you buy one mouse, one keyboard you could easly get two with that method, but that is just how they do business. (It helps having a huge pool of money)
The fact is that Unlike SONY who just says "buy a new one" they at least did something! Even if it is a quick fix.
Post by: tylerlough on February 23, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
or maybe the U.S. is the outsider, and it is a delta, no damage here but 2 cords are better than one. If M$ has something for free I take it.
Post by: MrPike on February 23, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
Anyway, I wonder if MS will ever make a statement on this issue...
Post by: xboxjojo on February 23, 2005, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: me_007x on February 23, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE
I've had many perheriferals BREAK, and MS just sent me a brand new one after recieving my serial number.
I wonder... Since the big ass thing doesn't actually cure the problem it only stops the xbox catching fire (I admit I am going on what other people have said in this forum) if someone was to get one of these protector plugs, connect up their xbox and then find their xbox didn't work, or it packed up a few days later, would M$ replace the xbox (obviously assuming xbox is completely stock)?
Edit
Someone has already mentioned this on page 2
QUOTE
think I will call M$ when I get the AFI cord and tell them
"you sent me this new cord and now it keeps reseting the red button,
i think it is defective and i will have to use the old cord untill i get a new one "
and see what they say...
maybe they will send a new xbox smile.gif
"you sent me this new cord and now it keeps reseting the red button,
i think it is defective and i will have to use the old cord untill i get a new one "
and see what they say...
maybe they will send a new xbox smile.gif
Sorry, forgot.
This post has been edited by me_007x: Feb 24 2005, 03:31 AM
Post by: ruli00 on February 23, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
QUOTE(tylerlough @ Feb 23 2005, 07:49 PM)
See what happens when you get add to the XS news page you get about 4 pages of post. I just checked mine it was made on 10/31/01 or 31/10/01 for outsiders or maybe the U.S. is the outsider, and it is a delta, no damage here but 2 cords are better than one. If M$ has something for free I take it.
or maybe the U.S. is the outsider, and it is a delta, no damage here but 2 cords are better than one. If M$ has something for free I take it.Could'nt have said it better. The way I see it is now I have an extra power cord for when I take my xbox with me places. I don't have to unplug my main one.
Hey a "fire hazard power cord" is better than the platstation power cord that I dremeled to make it fit in my xbox.
Post by: garyopa on February 23, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
the bad joints on the PSU.
Some later XBOX's I found also have a bad LARGE CAP near back of PSU just before the AC plug.
---------------------------
So with m new GFI cord, an I now play LIVE near the swimming pool outside,
and if water falls on the XBOX, I will not use an XBOX or get one very large
SHOCK thru the controller in my hand?
----------------------------
But seriously, that moment I saw the 11pm news regarding the XBOX power
cord, I knew for a fact that it was to "cover-up" the bad workshipment in
their PSU boards.
----------------------------
But now, the NEW problem, my wall socket is very old in my apt., and this
new HEAVY power cable, has a habit on parting falling out if the kids are
jumping around the room, this could in the end cause more real FIRE
problems for MS then the original problem. ----------- I remember a case
in the early 80's regarding HEAVY power packs for one of the first home
computer systems, and the company was forced to recall all the cables
and replace them with a two part system.
Post by: PreciousRoi on February 23, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
As to technique, the correct amount of solder helps, but the most important thing is ensuring that the entire joint melts and cools uniformly. Using an excessive amount of solder is not a "sure fix", and completely removing all the old solder, then replacing it with new is just being anal.
Post by: yaazz on February 23, 2005, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: ruciz on February 23, 2005, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: ncoop23 on February 23, 2005, 07:24:00 PM
[email protected]
Post by: ruciz on February 23, 2005, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: rolly poly on February 23, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
i knew it was a problem when i started to hear it spark, it took about 6 months to get bad enough to cause a shutdown. i knew the problem b/c of the sound and resoldered it.
i have since done this for my brother and a friend with older xboxes, somewhere along the line i lost my 1.0 cord, and i don't move my xbox as much, i have 3 of them and more ppl own atleast one. so i haven't seen the problem again.
like alot of you i figured this was the cause of the "recall". i also realized that it was pretty lame of MS to allow the product to continue to break, however slightly safer, when the ppl with affected boxes generally payed the most for them.
Post by: DuckOfDeath on February 23, 2005, 08:04:00 PM
Looks to me like this theory is correct.
-Duck!
Post by: anticrap1234 on February 23, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: madcapfrog on February 23, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
I bought my Xbox in france when i was in holiday and im using it at turkey.None of the powercord replacement webpages include the adress for my country.
Because of Ms dont sell the boxes in turkey officially.So im ready for fire hazard
My xbox date : 2003 / 05 / 27 and i think it is a 1.4 versiyon.
So i just bought from a store a powercord for an ordinary Amplifier, wich include the round part like exactly exist in my original cord also. (i think its a filter for electric parazite is that true?)
Can i use it in my xbox?Or is that cord can cause a problem ?
Sorry for my poor english
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
Also, just something funny, when I got my first xbox (like a week after launch), it didn't come with a power cord! They just forgot it or something.
Then the dvd drive broke, it was replaced under warranty (with another 1.0), then the dvd drive broke again (it was a phillips this time), but it was like a week after the warranty went out. So I took it apart and fixed the drive, but then the HDD died. I tried to mod it to replace the drive, but just screwed it up. So i got a new xbox (a 1.4), modded it, and its been great ever since!
Post by: NooberTehGod on February 23, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
I'm so happy someone posted about the resoldering the connector. It was driving me crazy for a while there, I thought I'd messed something up. I hope thats my problem.
Post by: Spider-One on February 23, 2005, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 23, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: s00pcan on February 23, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
This new one fixed that.. so I guess it's not completely pointless.
Post by: ShihoNage on February 23, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: sha on February 23, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: kramp on February 23, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: xman954 on February 23, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
this M$ way of not having to replace your xbox ...
is this right or wrong only time will tell.....
can any one look at there cord and see what UL number it has
this is from the UL site
Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCIs)
AFCI's involve a technology that detects arcing-faults in electrical circuits that could cause fires. By recognizing characteristics unique to arcing and functioning to de-energize the circuit when an arc-fault is detected, AFCI's further reduce the risk of fire beyond the scope of conventional fuses and circuit breakers.
Effective January 1, 2002, NFPA 70, The National Electrical Code (NEC), Section 210-12, requires that all branch circuits supplying 125V, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere outlets installed in dwelling unit bedrooms be protected by an arc-fault Circuit interrupter.
This page was developed to assist AHJ's by providing them with a reference source of UL information on AFCI's.
The following articles, written by UL Staff, provide background information on the development of UL 1699, the Standard for Arc-Fault Circuit Interrupters, and issues related to AFCIs.
Post by: NooberTehGod on February 23, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
QUOTE(sha @ Feb 24 2005, 05:14 AM)
I ment to write up a post for a fix on this. Its pretty easy to take the power supply out and just use sand paper to scar the bare metal then just add some flux and resolder it. When it moves in and out it arces and can cause a spark so it jsut needs to braced better and adding allot of solder will do the trick.
Yeah, someone should write a guide. Also I assume this means that once one fixes the power supply, its safe to use the original cord? I dont wanna have to use that bulky mofo.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 23, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 23, 2005, 10:28:00 PM
QUOTE(NooberTehGod @ Feb 24 2005, 05:22 AM)
Yeah, someone should write a guide. Also I assume this means that once one fixes the power supply, its safe to use the original cord? I dont wanna have to use that bulky mofo.
Thats the general idea, the new power cord is a joke.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 23, 2005, 10:38:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 24 2005, 03:27 PM)
Thats the general idea, the new power cord is a joke.
the new powercord is an insurance policy. so if someone gets killed, and they arnt using the new cord, ms cant be sued.
thats what its all about
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 23, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(xman954 @ Feb 24 2005, 05:20 AM)
it is not a GFI
this M$ way of not having to replace your xbox ...
is this right or wrong only time will tell.....
can any one look at there cord and see what UL number it has
this is from the UL site
Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCIs)
AFCI's involve a technology that detects arcing-faults in electrical circuits that could cause fires. By recognizing characteristics unique to arcing and functioning to de-energize the circuit when an arc-fault is detected, AFCI's further reduce the risk of fire beyond the scope of conventional fuses and circuit breakers.
Effective January 1, 2002, NFPA 70, The National Electrical Code (NEC), Section 210-12, requires that all branch circuits supplying 125V, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere outlets installed in dwelling unit bedrooms be protected by an arc-fault Circuit interrupter.
This page was developed to assist AHJ's by providing them with a reference source of UL information on AFCI's.
The following articles, written by UL Staff, provide background information on the development of UL 1699, the Standard for Arc-Fault Circuit Interrupters, and issues related to AFCIs.
this M$ way of not having to replace your xbox ...
is this right or wrong only time will tell.....
can any one look at there cord and see what UL number it has
this is from the UL site
Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCIs)
AFCI's involve a technology that detects arcing-faults in electrical circuits that could cause fires. By recognizing characteristics unique to arcing and functioning to de-energize the circuit when an arc-fault is detected, AFCI's further reduce the risk of fire beyond the scope of conventional fuses and circuit breakers.
Effective January 1, 2002, NFPA 70, The National Electrical Code (NEC), Section 210-12, requires that all branch circuits supplying 125V, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere outlets installed in dwelling unit bedrooms be protected by an arc-fault Circuit interrupter.
This page was developed to assist AHJ's by providing them with a reference source of UL information on AFCI's.
The following articles, written by UL Staff, provide background information on the development of UL 1699, the Standard for Arc-Fault Circuit Interrupters, and issues related to AFCIs.
an arc fault circuit interruptor is not required in all bedrooms because there are sTATE CODES...COLORADO WHERE I LIVE ONLY REQUIRES A GFCI IN DAMP LOCATIONS AND NO AFCI ARE REQUIRED IN HOUSES except in a few city codes(sorry accidently hit caps) but use afci in commercial
Post by: Relaxos on February 23, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
Im gonna go crack one open,
its bound to have some modchip surpressing technology in it.
A CI cant be this big.
Both my xboxes have foxlink psu and both are fine.
Post by: Ims0nia on February 23, 2005, 11:14:00 PM
I order a PSU from eBay
Do I still need the power cord replacement?
Post by: Infamous_One on February 23, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Ims0nia @ Feb 24 2005, 06:13 AM)
My PSU died 3 weeks ago and it is a 1.1
I order a PSU from eBay
Do I still need the power cord replacement?
I order a PSU from eBay
Do I still need the power cord replacement?
order it , is free , you can sell it or keep it for an emergency.
Post by: Jynsta on February 23, 2005, 11:31:00 PM
Looks like the v1.0/1.1 owners who got that big bulky cords are the ones who need to be worried about their xboxes...
Post by: ICEFuZiOn on February 23, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Ims0nia @ Feb 23 2005, 09:13 PM)
My PSU died 3 weeks ago and it is a 1.1
I order a PSU from eBay
Do I still need the power cord replacement?
I order a PSU from eBay
Do I still need the power cord replacement?
Do you have your old PSU still? If its a Foxlink, check the soldier points and see if yours are broken. Many other people in this thread had that problem.
And does anyone know why MS would be sending replacement cords for Delta PSU owners? There has to be a problem with those also, but from what I have read here no one has seen any problem with them?
If it was just the foxlink PSU's with a problem MS would have denied the serial numbers from xbox's with Deleta PSU's..
Post by: spandexman on February 23, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: flashfreak on February 24, 2005, 12:09:00 AM
just think though, (im gonna get flamed for this) if u were m$, and u made a faulty product, would u wanna have to waste all ur hard earned money? even though m$ have billions and didn't really earn it.
anyway im gonna have to re-solder these bits even though i don't want to. i can offer to do it for other ppl too for a low price
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on February 24, 2005, 12:20:00 AM
13/02/2002
see what cord i get
Post by: G0rd0z1||a on February 24, 2005, 12:30:00 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 24, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
QUOTE(G0rd0z1||a @ Feb 24 2005, 07:36 AM)
I have had to repair an xbox for a freind with the broken solder points. He did have a 1.0 or 1.1 and he has taken that damn thing world the world. So I know it comes from excessive (3-4 times a day for 3 or so years) plugging/unplugging. Resoldering is the only fix short of replacing the power supply that completely resolves this issue. The AFCI just prevents an arc from having a long enough life to heat things up to were a fire is possible. Your xbox will still get shut down, not start up etc as it did before. It's just less likely to burn your box to smoldering pile of goo.
just so people understand..its an afi not afci... an arc fault circuit interupter is a circuit that will shut down every outlet or any electrical device down the line from that afci.. now an arc fault interupter is contained to that one unit and will only shutdown the one thing....the power cord itself
Post by: CZECH on February 24, 2005, 01:05:00 AM
I just dug up my info from my first Xbox that is long since gone(I use to mod them and play them for a while then sell them and replace it with a new one) but I figure why not get a free cable...Anyway I thought it was funny that the date on it was 10/21/2001...Damn that was a while ago...I was third in line at CircuitCity on release day
I'll post back on what version of cable they send
Post by: wolrahnaes on February 24, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
Post by: No_Remorse on February 24, 2005, 01:25:00 AM
explain???
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 24, 2005, 01:41:00 AM
QUOTE(No_Remorse @ Feb 24 2005, 08:31 AM)
the cables arnt the same, The original XBOX (my version 1.4) and the new plug are different voltage ratings. here in australia the old cords were 120volts when the newer ones are 240volts, nearly every single plug here is rated 240volts, my mate has a 1.1 and he got the same cable as me.
explain???
explain???
wow are you the real no remorse..just now joining the forums?? how can you have a 120 volt when all your outlets are 240v are you sure your original was not ntsc and how did you plug it in if it was a 120v
Post by: bns2000 on February 24, 2005, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: No_Remorse on February 24, 2005, 02:02:00 AM
and the new ones are 240volts, so theres a cable thats ment to take 120volts and theres 240volts goin thru it, that would make the calbe catch on fire, from my understanding anyway.
BTW im not the awsome no remorse, i got my handle from a metallica song, i had no idea that there was some1 here with the same handle No_Remorse_666
Post by: samic on February 24, 2005, 02:20:00 AM
http://img62.exs.cx/...dscf09760or.jpg
here is my fix
http://img62.exs.cx/...dscf09754qo.jpg
the new "cable" has a luxurious look... I think I'll get one just for fun.
Post by: Janneman on February 24, 2005, 02:52:00 AM
After a while the connector started to loosen, we solved it with 2 thick pieces of wood putting between the case and the connector so it couldn't move anymore.
Still sometimes after transportation it wouldn't go on, gave sparkle and smoke (often after transportation through humid conditions). After some fiddling it would go on again.
A while ago it happened again, it wouldn't go on and we decided to open it up and take a closer look: result was indeed a loosened connector, that really explained all the problems. Took me a short while to solder and all problems where over.
I really don't get it, the connector has 2 holes to mount nuts and bolts to. The casing hasn't these holes. Was it so hard to actually use nuts and bolts to make it more rigid? The way it is now, all the kinetic energy that you put inside the connector is transfered to the soldering joints. That's what I call a major design flaw.
(and I don't see why a new cable would help)
Post by: running_wild on February 24, 2005, 02:54:00 AM
Mine has the huge sinker in the middle with the fancy buttons as well, but when I popped the hood on my xbox, I have a Delta PSU?!
Any ideas?
Post by: stavster on February 24, 2005, 03:15:00 AM
Think I might just order a replacement PSU just to be on the safe side.
Post by: solar_eclipse2 on February 24, 2005, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: henno on February 24, 2005, 03:42:00 AM
QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ Feb 24 2005, 09:40 AM)
wow are you the real no remorse..just now joining the forums?? how can you have a 120 volt when all your outlets are 240v are you sure your original was not ntsc and how did you plug it in if it was a 120v
I THINK HE MEANT THE CABLE WAS LABLED 120V & THE BOX IS 240- V FOR AUSTRALIA.
So they changed the power lead . The problem with the 120v would be the insulation may not be rated high enough to cope with the volts.!so they would have had to changed it . But they would have started changing them before all this crap started i spose.we do have step down transformers over here to cope with 120v.
Post by: DeeMan on February 24, 2005, 04:08:00 AM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 24 2005, 12:28 AM)
Unplug the power cord (you should have done this already), the big mobo power cable (1.0/1.1: just pull it really hard while wiggling, 1.2-1.6: there is a small clip you have to push), and the HDD power cable.
The PSU is held in with two torx 10 screws, they are on the left side, one in the front, one in the back. Remove the screws, then pull the power supply forward, then up.
On the backside where the power plug is is where you need to strengthen the solder joint.
The PSU is held in with two torx 10 screws, they are on the left side, one in the front, one in the back. Remove the screws, then pull the power supply forward, then up.
On the backside where the power plug is is where you need to strengthen the solder joint.
Thanks heaps - looked far more complicated than it was! V1.0 box, built early 2002, with a foxlink.
Half an hour, and my xbox is back in original order. I re-soldered the pads, and added some superglue under the front edge of the plug to make sure it doesn't rock any further. Was definitely a foxlink, and was definitely busted - the solder pads were cracked in the middle.
My replacement cord arrived today - the aussie version has the 'module' in the middle of the cord... A wall plug, 1.5m of cord, then the unit, then another 1.5M of cord... don't need an extension lead now anyway
Post by: dfunked on February 24, 2005, 04:36:00 AM
The thing is so long though, it's just like the length of a laptop charger with the box in the middle.
I strongly recommend anyone who's confident enough to solder, to check their PSU before it's too late. The points to solder are pretty damn massive, so even a beginner could do it.
Post by: elupus on February 24, 2005, 04:56:00 AM
.Post by: PedrosPad on February 24, 2005, 05:05:00 AM
QUOTE(elupus @ Feb 24 2005, 11:55 AM)
Just pondering something. The serial number of your xbox isn't embedded in the eeprom or any other software on the box right? Cause if it were, then suddenly anybody connecting to xbox live with a modded box and get's banned, ms has their home address and phone number as you supply serial number and delivery address when requesting the replacement cord. I might just be abit paranoid thou .
.The XBOX logs into XBL using your http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=263777&view=findpost&p=1942571!.
Beat ya on the paranoia call. See http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=358828.
Post by: Thurizaz on February 24, 2005, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: flashfreak on February 24, 2005, 05:48:00 AM
muhahahahaha!
Post by: fahrenheit on February 24, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
QUOTE(running_wild @ Feb 24 2005, 09:00 PM)
I hate to throw a spanner in the works guys, But I just received my cord (Took 2 days postage o_O) in Sydney, Australia.
Mine has the huge sinker in the middle with the fancy buttons as well, but when I popped the hood on my xbox, I have a Delta PSU?!
Any ideas?
Mine has the huge sinker in the middle with the fancy buttons as well, but when I popped the hood on my xbox, I have a Delta PSU?!
Any ideas?
It's hard to tell how detailed MS's database is and whether they account for refurbished parts that have come back through the production line? Perhaps its all based on probability?
I'm in New Zealand, so will get the same cords as Australia. I have a 1.1 and 1.3 with two different Delta PSU's. I'm interested to see what shows up.
Post by: captain vegetable on February 24, 2005, 06:28:00 AM
Just wanted to add confirmation to all that's been said about the purpose of the new cords with AFIs.
I'm in Australia, with a 2002 Xbox manufactured in Hungary, and although it has given me no problems, if I plug/unplug the power cord with the power on at the mains, I hear a sparking sound.
Got my new cord with the AFI today. Out of curiosity, I wiggled the power cord while the power was on.
*Sparking sound*
*CLICK!* -- AFI killed the power immediately. Had to hit reset on AFI to restore power.
So, I guess it won't catch fire, but I think I'll have to look at doing a solder job, just to keep everything nice and tidy.
Post by: Wolfblade13 on February 24, 2005, 07:32:00 AM
what we recieve
the cable
the difference
Post by: Xbox Juggalo on February 24, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
QUOTE(elupus @ Feb 24 2005, 11:55 AM)
Just pondering something. The serial number of your xbox isn't embedded in the eeprom or any other software on the box right? Cause if it were, then suddenly anybody connecting to xbox live with a modded box and get's banned, ms has their home address and phone number as you supply serial number and delivery address when requesting the replacement cord. I might just be abit paranoid thou .
.they already have your address, name, phone, and credit card # when you sign up for live.
Also, if you can't fit the damn thing in your wall or on the surge protector... just go out and get a cheap $2 extension cord from Dollar General and make it a 2 peice unit :-P
Post by: tetsuo55 on February 24, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
its a 1.4, and i have not opened it so i dont know if there is anything wrong with my powercable, but ill take this as a warning and not unplug it anymore.
when i finally get around to upgrading the hdd i will check the psu...
The new cable is a lot better, its more sturdy, fits a lot better into the xbox and also the side connecting to the wallsocket is stronger.
not too glad about ms having my home adres though
Post by: hhel11 on February 24, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
-hhel11
Post by: exobyte on February 24, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: Pyrii on February 24, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
(That's an entire a4 scanning platter btw, so if you want to compare, just hold up a peice of A4 paper.)
But after reading this post I'm gonna get my toolbox out and resolder the wire, oh well, free AFI 2-pin mains plug XD. Mine's 1.1 btw.
EDIT: Fixed broken link, damn Unicode
Post by: tetsuo55 on February 24, 2005, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: Spelly88 on February 24, 2005, 09:54:00 AM
Much appreciated!
EDIT: Just realized they exist on the first page.... The thread was so big I was just going to the last few pages to follow along... Thanks for pointing this out...
Post by: Cr8Zy M0DdEr on February 24, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: Pyrii on February 24, 2005, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Spelly88 @ Feb 24 2005, 04:53 PM)
I haven't had any sparking issues yet, but I'm intrigued by the power supply resoldering comments... Would it be a lot of trouble for someone to post some pictures of the points that need to be resoldered? Maybe like a before and after picture or something to help out us beginners...
Much appreciated!
Much appreciated!
Welcome to today. They've already been posted, try actually reading the first page properly.
Post by: prplehz on February 24, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: Pyrii on February 24, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: fizzLe on February 24, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: fizzLe on February 24, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: theunbeatable on February 24, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Wolfblade13 @ Feb 24 2005, 02:38 PM)
The european (or at least the dutch) cables are different and smaller
I also live in Holland and have got the exact same cable from MS. MFG date is 14 october 2003, and the xbox appears to be a v1.4. I couldn't resist to check which PSU I had. Guess what! A foxlink...
Foxlink
Model: FTPS-0002
Rev: H
Max power output: 96 W
I removed the PSU and checked the solder, there was no indication of short circuit anywhere. What I did found was molten "White gue' on top of the PSU around one of the coils, but dunno if that has anything to do with this.
It's possible that certain revisions require different security measures (=cables). It would also appear then that the delta PSU is also susceptible to short circuit.
Post by: feflicker on February 24, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
I am glad MS$ did something about it, even if it is a lame-o fix.
Post by: one321 on February 24, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: desertboy on February 24, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
::theunbeatable
I think it's only foxlink powersupplies in 1.0/1.1
I have a delta power supply in my 1.0/1.1 and they sent me one of the chunky ones.
Post by: xman954 on February 24, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ Feb 24 2005, 11:55 AM)
I am glad MS$ did something about it, even if it is a lame-o fix.
YEA cover there ASS... Lame-o MFers
Post by: Fantmx on February 24, 2005, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on February 24, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: poiygon on February 24, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on February 24, 2005, 01:09:00 PM
-BxN
Post by: NTICompass on February 24, 2005, 01:48:00 PM
. I hope I don't get a clunker, or have a Foxlink PSU. If my PSU needs re-soldering, will the new cable actually help? Can someone re-solder my PSU for chaep if I need it done?
Post by: Exobex on February 24, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
Ordered three using serial numbers of 3 dead Xbox motherboards that I had lying around! The one for my own, working Xbox will have to go to my parents' house.
What the hell, if they're free...
Post by: AF_Snowboarder01 on February 24, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(henno @ Feb 23 2005, 09:42 AM)
If you just solder them properly , with some good solder you won't have any more problems . i've been repairing these supplies for quite a while now . just get a cheap solder iron & some decent solder & you won't have any prob's . i'm glad some one else has found the same things that i've been seeing for ages. some of the other supplies have also the same problem with the socket, but not as bad . i think it depends on how often they are unplugged & plugged back in. if you hear it crackling when you plug it in .do something about it. mayby m.s will catch on! if they don't already know.
Same here. Just desolder the whole power supply connector, and then solder it with better quality solder. Any n00b can do it, but you can make $$$ doing it for those who don't know how (It's what you know that they pay you for, not the maintainance :).
BTW, andybody think maybe a lot of the reasons for the replacement is because M$ wants to find out who's xbox is whose? I wont give 'em my info. I'd rather resolder a joint than get a bulky cord that I'd have to wait for. You have to give them your serial and address, so they can track you (and w/ serial they can track you online w/ HDD and IP, and possibly find if you have a mod, modded eeprom etc.) Sounds kinda familiar to me... RFID tags anyone?
This post has been edited by AF_Snowboarder01: Feb 24 2005, 10:35 PM
Post by: Kraptreon on February 24, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: TattooedBear on February 24, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
When it first happened, the smoke and the non powering, I opened it up to look at it and realized what shoddy design it was.
Just addin' in.
Fun.
Later. Y'all have a great weekend
Post by: anticrap1234 on February 24, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Altima NEO on February 24, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
So has anyone actually heard any reports of any xboxs catching on fire?
Post by: scoo6y on February 24, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
I tend to agree that it is incredibly cynical of MS to attempt to do a fix instead of a recall.
One fact that interests me is that the fix has come into act now, however xboxs made since last year are not affected. This seems to suggest that M$ may have identified a potential problem some time ago, addressed this properly on new xboxs and then the lawyers and analysts only decided that fixing the rest and avoiding lawsuits was more cost effective recently.
This may explain M$ lame excuse for not replacing cables in india. 220v is pretty close to what i run in the UK, and 220v is used extensively in Europe, and my equipment works there fine. If the problem is indeed arcing over bad joints 220v vs 240v will make hardly any difference anyway, arcing will still happen! So it seems that M$ will not fix in india maybe because indian law does not protect it's citizens as thorughly as other countries (this is speculation, if n e one could shed some light i would be most interested)?
I hope to get a less loose cable in the post soon, perhaps i'm the lucky one, but this stinks to high heaven...
Post by: samic on February 24, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Cr8Zy M0DdEr @ Feb 24 2005, 03:56 PM)
i dont get how can the xbox's solder point just al of a suddenly "break away" or "disconnect"... i mena does anybody know the cause????
coz it has cold soldering, lousy soldering job.
Edit: Since no one notice so I repeated again. My PSU is DELTA and it did smoke and spark!
Either I'm extremely unlucky or it's not only Foxlink PSU has problem!
Post by: Animus on February 24, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
I believe my v1.0 XBOX started having problems around August 2003. At first it wouldn't start, but if I rigged the power cord in a way it would. After having it spark, smoke and completely not work anymore, I decided to pop her open and BAM. I soldered EXACTLY where it shows in your picture. For some odd reason, those 2 spots seem to spark and eventually burn out the solder. In the end, I fixed the problem and ordered a mod chip since my box was open anyways!
I believe the problem begins with people jamming the power cord too hard in to the back of the XBOX and shaking the 2 soldering points OFF the board. This can be caused by frequent removal/plugging of the power cord, as well as leaving the power cord attached to the XBOX while transorting the XBOX in some sort of Backpack or travelling case... At least that's what did it for me.
Post by: lammetje on February 24, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
The PSU connector is mounted on two extra solder joints (see picture)..but i also got a new cord
Post by: bnbolic on February 24, 2005, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: GaveUp on February 24, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: megahurtz on February 24, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
The power plug also had a couple bolts holding it to the psu pcb, but I didn't remove the entire board to check the underside for the bad solder points. It seems that more than just foxlink owners are getting the "protection cord"...
v1.0 xbox mfg date 11-21-01
delta psu
I took pics of my xbox, the psu, and the protection cable if anybody wants to see them.
Post by: cc86 on February 24, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
QUOTE(megahurtz @ Feb 24 2005, 04:29 PM)
I got my box in the mail today and it had the big clunker of a afi inside of it. This issue has me interested though, so I opened up my xbox and was sort of suprised to see that there was a DELTA psu inside of it.
The power plug also had a couple bolts holding it to the psu pcb, but I didn't remove the entire board to check the underside for the bad solder points. It seems that more than just foxlink owners are getting the "protection cord"...
v1.0 xbox mfg date 11-21-01
delta psu
I took pics of my xbox, the psu, and the protection cable if anybody wants to see them.
The power plug also had a couple bolts holding it to the psu pcb, but I didn't remove the entire board to check the underside for the bad solder points. It seems that more than just foxlink owners are getting the "protection cord"...
v1.0 xbox mfg date 11-21-01
delta psu
I took pics of my xbox, the psu, and the protection cable if anybody wants to see them.
Crap, my xbox was made the day before yours; it also has a delta psu. Guess that means I'm likely getting the big ass power cord.
Post by: me_007x on February 24, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
Did they not bother keeping a track of what hardware went in what machine initially then, suddenly, found that one of the PSU's was breaking (perhaps one of their own test machines starting arcing) and so they decided to keep track of the PSU in case it became an issue, which it now has.
Post by: megahurtz on February 24, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
Here is my Yahoo photo gallery with my pics. You can clearly see the Delta psu in one of them and I also took some detail shots of the protection cord itself. The shots are all 5mp and ~2megs each.
Post by: fahrenheit on February 24, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
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I myself have 2 xboxs so of course I ordered two new cords. I was sent two different types of cords. While one is the above disscused Mini-MeXbox, the other is only refered to as a replacement cable and looks prety much the same as the original. Calling 1-800-4MY-XBOX proved uneasy at best. They told me that both would work fine in either box. The next curious-minded question would be ???WHY???the difference?? There was no prepared answer for the outsource-like tech help I was getting. BTW the music while being on hold........ouch man, ouch.
I have no idea if the cords are specific to a certain timeline in the production of xboxs. I have a Thomson Drive in one and a Samsung in the other. I don't even know if thats timeline production relevent either. Any shiney rays we could throw my way would be smashing.
I have no idea if the cords are specific to a certain timeline in the production of xboxs. I have a Thomson Drive in one and a Samsung in the other. I don't even know if thats timeline production relevent either. Any shiney rays we could throw my way would be smashing.
power cord discussion
I also have two consoles, a 1.1 and a 1.3 that are manufactured seven months apart. Both have Delta PSU (two different models) Today one of the cables showed up and it has the 'boat anchor' in the middle, of course there is no indication as to which console it belongs to, and I wait anxiously to see what the next one will be.
EDIT: I'm in New Zealand which is 240v
Post by: rrife on February 24, 2005, 06:11:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 23 2005, 05:20 AM)
At first I commented in another thread, but I feel that this is important enough to deserve its own thread.
So, here's the deal. MS lied.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Xbox power cords. MS just had the recall to cover their butts (they had to do something, but recaling every 1.0/1.1 console would be way too expensive).
The real problem is the Foxlink power supply. There have been numerous reports of "loose power connectors" in xboxes, and the cause of this is that the solder joints on the PSU have actually broken where the connector mounts to the board, which can result in the xbox not powering on, or possibly even sparks, smoke, and fire.
So, here's the deal. MS lied.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the Xbox power cords. MS just had the recall to cover their butts (they had to do something, but recaling every 1.0/1.1 console would be way too expensive).
The real problem is the Foxlink power supply. There have been numerous reports of "loose power connectors" in xboxes, and the cause of this is that the solder joints on the PSU have actually broken where the connector mounts to the board, which can result in the xbox not powering on, or possibly even sparks, smoke, and fire.
I got my power cord replacement today and it doesn't look much different than the original cable....no GFI on it.
Post by: temjin46 on February 24, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
Just to get an idea of the average use I have for my Xbox, is typically I bring it to a friends house every-so-often, but not much.
Thought you guys would like to know.
Post by: admiralj on February 24, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
1.0 xbox, Delta PSU, solder joints broken off (hard to tell in pics below, but they're broken). Replaced the Delta with another 1.0 PSU from llamma.com about a year ago after the Delta had issues where sometimes it would power on and other times it wouldnt. (cant remember if the replacement was FoxLink or Delta, but looked identical to the old Delta one.)
In retrospect, I suppose i didn't have to pay the $30 or whatever for the replacement PSU. The old one was prob a-ok. Thank you MS.
Anyone want a spare 1.0 delta PSU? http://home.san.rr.com/admiral/IMGP3052.JPG
http://home.san.rr.com/admiral/IMGP3054.JPG
http://home.san.rr.com/admiral/IMGP3056.JPG
Post by: ICEFuZiOn on February 24, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
I have a Early 1.1 XBOX w/ Delta PSU. I noticed when i plug my Power Cord in there is a slight pop, should I open my xbox up to see if the soldier points are busted? I have had no problem powering up the xbox and the new Power cord replacement showed the green LED so everything is good to go.
Post by: Conundrum1911 on February 24, 2005, 09:18:00 PM
I've made another thread about the foxlink revisions, hoping those of you with foxlinks will enter what rev you have, and what XBOX rev you have (and if you had any problems/bad solder joints).
Also, I know it has been posted in this forum, but is anyone planning on making a repair tutorial for the foxlinks to put in the tutorials section of xbox-scene? Before I attempt any repair or prevention on my XBOX, I'd like something a bit more concrete (some of the posts in this thread contradict one another)...also it would be good reference for ppl in the future.
Thanks
Conundrum1911
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 25, 2005, 01:12:00 AM
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 25, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ Feb 25 2005, 05:42 PM)
i would like to say to the guy above...it is a concrete fact that the psu solder joints break on any version because even with the extra supports...why...the number 1 reason in my opinion is because idiots take there xbox over to there buddies house and are too lazy to take the cords outta the xbox... so what do they do? wrap the cords so tight around the xbox that they put an enormously huge strain on the solder joints... even on a box with extra supports...ive seen hundreds of idiots do this...if they didnt have such a huge gap on the box and the psu connecter there wouldnt be a problem...can anyone with a 1.6 tell me how tight the psu connecter is to the case...cause if i remember right they are tighter and that is why they wouldnt need a replacement
yer i agree with that. i know the 1.6's power cord is tight as.
i think you would have to be fucken lazy to not take the cord out when you move it. i would have thought it was a well known fact that if you bend a joint like that, it can and will break.
but i also think that some of the psu's need some soldering as well.
so its siz of one, half a dozen of the other
Post by: aweelz on February 25, 2005, 02:06:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 25, 2005, 02:10:00 AM
QUOTE(aweelz @ Feb 25 2005, 06:36 PM)
Im not sure if this is the case for everyone(im in aus), but when i got my cord the serial number of the xbox was on the address label. Just incase your wondering which cord belongs to which xbox.
same here. it shouldnt matter though should it?
Post by: mr_chips on February 25, 2005, 04:20:00 AM
I guessed, but never came to the conclusion that the problem could actually be inside the xbox.
When MS decided to blow it's own horn in the press release about the recall, saying, "We did the responsible thing"... when supposedly millions of these cables are faulty, it was definately suspicious!
Lately I have been very upset with the way gates and Co. are running their own company. Like a bunch of lazy retards. First, Gates said in some statement, "windows does not need to make a bullt-in Anti-virus, there is plenty of great 3rd party software available" who does he think he is kidding?
Then, they released this new MS Ant-spyware. What a slap in the face to the whole windows userbase. Rather than admit the problem, they apply this bandaid (which they teased about making profit from) and now THIS "power cord" bandaid?? Sickening. MS was much more responsible when we had them in the courtrooms.
Post by: fahrenheit on February 25, 2005, 05:19:00 AM
QUOTE(aweelz @ Feb 25 2005, 07:36 PM)
Im not sure if this is the case for everyone(im in aus), but when i got my cord the serial number of the xbox was on the address label. Just incase your wondering which cord belongs to which xbox.
Yes you are correct. It's amazing what you miss when you're mavelling at your shiny new boat anchor :D
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 25, 2005, 04:54:00 AM
QUOTE(fahrenheit @ Feb 25 2005, 09:49 PM)
Yes you are correct. It's amazing what you miss when you're mavelling at your shiny new boat anchor
well fair enough
Post by: fahrenheit on February 25, 2005, 05:17:00 AM
If I had Foxlink PSU's I would have checked and fixed them by now, but its frustrating not knowing what is going on with these Deltas. I want to fix the problem, not treat the symptom.
Post by: Pistol on February 25, 2005, 06:20:00 AM
QUOTE(poiygon @ Feb 24 2005, 08:07 PM)
They're protected from damage to their entertainment center, but their Xbox will still short and no longer function. If the person thinks this will fix the issue, but their Xbox stops turning on, they'll probably switch back to the old power cord only to cause the damage that MS is trying to prevent. This just seems like a marketing ploy to show that MS cares about it's customers and stands behind its products.
That's a damn good point! Probably the first thing your average Joe is going to do when his Xbox won't turn on is cast a suspicious eye at the complicated doofus-box MS insisted they use, and try another power cable, then get fried.
Post by: Bigyin on February 25, 2005, 06:18:00 AM
I had to order 4 cords 3 for Pal Xbox 1.1's & 1 Pal Xbox 1.4.
As far as I know 2 1.1's are Delta Psu's & the 1.4 is a Delta Psu.
The 3 1.1's got the big blocks the 1.4 got a new standard cable.
Only the 1.4 is already faulty & only powers up 1 time out of about 25.
Post by: axl.b on February 25, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
MS knowing that since several years, a power cord replacement that only prevent the cable to ignite, but what about the xbox? And if one of those sparkles instead of ignite the cable, set fire on any other thing that could be nearby?
Why don't we all sue MS
ass???
We had to let everybody know the truth, we need visibility, the Media should talk
about that! The biggest 'MShit' since Windows ME !!!!
We should have a new xbox for replacement not a silly power cable!
We are 14 millions! If we can spend 1$ each for suing MS, I think we can have
Robert Shapiro as our lawyer!!
You know, uncle Bill knows what is worse than a lawsuit: negative publicity, and
with the xbox2 to launch ....
So, who start to take subscriptions?
Post by: Nawty1 on February 25, 2005, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 08:35 AM)
yer i agree with that. i know the 1.6's power cord is tight as.
i think you would have to be fucken lazy to not take the cord out when you move it. i would have thought it was a well known fact that if you bend a joint like that, it can and will break.
but i also think that some of the psu's need some soldering as well.
so its siz of one, half a dozen of the other
i think you would have to be fucken lazy to not take the cord out when you move it. i would have thought it was a well known fact that if you bend a joint like that, it can and will break.
but i also think that some of the psu's need some soldering as well.
so its siz of one, half a dozen of the other
I had the privilige of fixing a bad PSU myself. My cousins fan was making noise and when i opened the box i noticed the sparks. I don't know that i would blame this all on the solder joints though. I would have to say that everytime i plug in a cord it seems like the connector is not mounted very solid. If they would have added a clip to keep the stress off of the solder joints I would be surprised if they had this many cases of broken solder joints causing sparks. But I definately would say the power cords are a fricken joke. When I first heard about the recall it just sounded so stupid I didn't realize there were that many cases of broken solder joints like my cousins 1.0.
Still the xbox is a much more reliable system then the PS2.
Post by: prenetic on February 25, 2005, 08:13:00 AM
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Those 2 joints had been nuked, and I ran a screwdriver over all the points to discharge wherever the electricity still was, until I got a big spark from one of them adn that was it - PSU was dead. Thankfully it happened OUTSIDE of the XBox and didn't fry my house (if not my hand )
I can't believe the writer thinks he/she has a case on their hands. I just...I...I got nothin'.
Post by: TKramka on February 25, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: Cr8Zy M0DdEr on February 25, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: one321 on February 25, 2005, 09:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Cr8Zy M0DdEr @ Feb 25 2005, 10:39 AM)
i have been reading this thread for a while and trying to learn as mucb as possible about this whole "Power Cord Conspiracy"... and i have seen people order more then one cord from MS....... i was just wodnering how do you do that????... dont MS record all your order info. so people cant re order or something......????
I'm pretty sure the people ordering more than one cord have more than one Xbox.
I think it was pretty funny from that earlier post how someone had two Xboxes and received two different replacement cords. When asking MS which cord goes to which machine, they said it didn't matter. That obviously means that the cords are not the problem. I have a friend that just replaced his PSU for $30+. I am pissed for him that he had to spend that money because of MS's stupid ass.
Post by: LiGhTfasT on February 25, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
Had a quick look in the xbox and have a delta psu on a v1.0 made april 2002 i think. Psu makes a poping noise when plugging in the cable. No serial on the box aswell so if you ordered more than one in the UK theres no telling whats for what.
(IMG:http://homepage.ntlworld.com/light.fast/Xbox/xbox%20power.jpg)
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Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 25, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(mr_chips @ Feb 25 2005, 11:26 AM)
I'm not sure how far this has come off topic, but I'd like to add my two cents if I may. I would agree about the "Power Cord Conspiracy" apporach (however conspiracy is a harsh word). I was confused when I heard about this recall. MS kept saying it was problems with the power cord being faulty. In my mind, I couldn't understand how a power cord, which is basically STRAIGHT THROUGH, could possibly be causing fires! I have inspected the power cables and they are probably of the best quality I have ever seen. Not only are they sturdy, but also made of fire-resistant plastic.
I guessed, but never came to the conclusion that the problem could actually be inside the xbox.
When MS decided to blow it's own horn in the press release about the recall, saying, "We did the responsible thing"... when supposedly millions of these cables are faulty, it was definately suspicious!
Lately I have been very upset with the way gates and Co. are running their own company. Like a bunch of lazy retards. First, Gates said in some statement, "windows does not need to make a bullt-in Anti-virus, there is plenty of great 3rd party software available" who does he think he is kidding?
Then, they released this new MS Ant-spyware. What a slap in the face to the whole windows userbase. Rather than admit the problem, they apply this bandaid (which they teased about making profit from) and now THIS "power cord" bandaid?? Sickening. MS was much more responsible when we had them in the courtrooms.
I guessed, but never came to the conclusion that the problem could actually be inside the xbox.
When MS decided to blow it's own horn in the press release about the recall, saying, "We did the responsible thing"... when supposedly millions of these cables are faulty, it was definately suspicious!
Lately I have been very upset with the way gates and Co. are running their own company. Like a bunch of lazy retards. First, Gates said in some statement, "windows does not need to make a bullt-in Anti-virus, there is plenty of great 3rd party software available" who does he think he is kidding?
Then, they released this new MS Ant-spyware. What a slap in the face to the whole windows userbase. Rather than admit the problem, they apply this bandaid (which they teased about making profit from) and now THIS "power cord" bandaid?? Sickening. MS was much more responsible when we had them in the courtrooms.
ok you complain about this but need to realize something...all the hundreds of thousands of faulty psones and ps2s...u think sony will ever take responsibiliy and do a recall ...ever...hell no they are worse than MS...atleast MS is doing something....take one of the new ps2 systems...the small one and play it on vinyl and watch how hot it gets when it melts the vinyl and that is the least of the huge defects they have made
Post by: ripnullnet on February 25, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Post by: rpao on February 25, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
I wonder if people who did not send in their Xbox serial numbers to MS via product registration or Xbox Live get new power cords. MS did not know my serial number until I checked if I needed a new power cord.
rp05
Post by: robbybertu15 on February 25, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(one321 @ Feb 25 2005, 04:48 PM)
That obviously means that the cords are not the problem. I have a friend that just replaced his PSU for $30+. I am pissed for him that he had to spend that money because of MS's stupid ass.
That sucks. I paid $7.00 for mine.
Post by: ZASADAR on February 25, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: funboy6942 on February 25, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
) and I was told I wasnt cool enough to get the big ass power surge protector. But I have a foxlink PS damnit I dont want my trailer to burn to the ground, or do I...............
Post by: networkBoy on February 25, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ZASADAR @ Feb 25 2005, 10:52 PM)
do these cords fix the 1.0/1.1 weak power supply problem?
No, not really.
-nB
Post by: Electrox3d on February 25, 2005, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: dparish on February 25, 2005, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: djp on February 25, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: Shebang on February 25, 2005, 11:05:00 PM
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/weazil69/BurntPSU.jpg)
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Post by: mr_chips on February 26, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Shebang @ Feb 25 2005, 08:35 PM)
Just thought I would throw my two cents in here. Look at my Foxlink that I pulled out last night to fix. Look at how much the arcing burnt the underside of it, man that's ridiculous.
yeah, holy #$@!. Even that black plastic clip has snapped. Definately a fire hazard.
MS, why I oughta
Post by: m.e on February 26, 2005, 02:26:00 AM
QUOTE(djp @ Feb 26 2005, 04:28 AM)
atfirst i thought this was a scheme for them to get serial numbers so they can find out whos got modded xboxs when they get banned from live.
I never thought of it like that but now I'm scared.
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 26, 2005, 04:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Shebang @ Feb 26 2005, 03:35 PM)
Just thought I would throw my two cents in here. Look at my Foxlink that I pulled out last night to fix. Look at how much the arcing burnt the underside of it, man that's ridiculous.
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/weazil69/BurntPSU.jpg)
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/weazil69/BurntPSU.jpg)
well by teh looks of that, with the soldering, i woudl say that it was a shit soldering job. its juist got a dry joint.
as for teh plastic, you must have been using some force to plug/unplug the cord. either that or putting a lot of force on it up/down
Post by: Slofsky on February 26, 2005, 04:58:00 AM
How can I identify the screwed up powercord from the one that came with my crystal? If I can't tell the difference, there is a 50-50 shot that I change the wrong cord and I'd still be using the one with the flaw.
Thanks a lot!
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 26, 2005, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Slofsky @ Feb 26 2005, 09:28 PM)
Just got my big ol' power replacement cord. But the problem is, I've got 2 Xbox'es. One was old, so I had to replace the powercord, but the other one is a spanking new Crystal. I might have switched the powercords of those two, so I've got a bit of a problem.
How can I identify the screwed up powercord from the one that came with my crystal? If I can't tell the difference, there is a 50-50 shot that I change the wrong cord and I'd still be using the one with the flaw.
Thanks a lot!
How can I identify the screwed up powercord from the one that came with my crystal? If I can't tell the difference, there is a 50-50 shot that I change the wrong cord and I'd still be using the one with the flaw.
Thanks a lot!
compare the plug that goes into teh xbox. one of them will be fatter. that one belongs to your 1.6
Post by: Slofsky on February 26, 2005, 05:22:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 26 2005, 12:10 PM)
compare the plug that goes into teh xbox. one of them will be fatter. that one belongs to your 1.6
Thanks a lot
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Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 26, 2005, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Slofsky @ Feb 26 2005, 10:21 PM)
Thanks a lot .
.no problems. glad to help out
Post by: muphicks on February 26, 2005, 07:17:00 AM
All three boxes have delta power supplys, although one of them has recently been replaceed, can't remember what the original was, so I'm guessing that the clunky box is for that one..
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Post by: aweelz on February 26, 2005, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: Shebang on February 26, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: toyato89 on February 26, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(AF_Snowboarder01 @ Feb 24 2005, 10:00 PM)
Same here. Just desolder the whole power supply connector, and then solder it with better quality solder. Any n00b can do it, but you can make $$$ doing it for those who don't know how (It's what you know that they pay you for, not the maintainance .
BTW, andybody think maybe a lot of the reasons for the replacement is because M$ wants to find out who's xbox is whose? I wont give 'em my info. I'd rather resolder a joint than get a bulky cord that I'd have to wait for. You have to give them your serial and address, so they can track you (and w/ serial they can track you online w/ HDD and IP, and possibly find if you have a mod, modded eeprom etc.) Sounds kinda familiar to me... RFID tags anyone?
.BTW, andybody think maybe a lot of the reasons for the replacement is because M$ wants to find out who's xbox is whose? I wont give 'em my info. I'd rather resolder a joint than get a bulky cord that I'd have to wait for. You have to give them your serial and address, so they can track you (and w/ serial they can track you online w/ HDD and IP, and possibly find if you have a mod, modded eeprom etc.) Sounds kinda familiar to me... RFID tags anyone?
Not everyone is in the same boat as you. I don't use Live! but I don't like giving my address to MS either, but luckily I am living in Germany this year, so I gave them my German address, which is only mine till July 31st anyways, so bonus. Just for fun I ordered the European adapter.
For the PSU it originally came with a Foxlink one (I'm 99% sure) and I've since replaced that with a Lik-Sang dual-voltage manually switchable one because of coming to Germany. There was no probs with the Foxlink though, only switched it because it was not compatible with the Euro standard 220v. The specs (as I remember them) seemed to be 127V 50/60Hz...
Anyways, since my serial should turn a Foxlink supply, I'll see which one I get. Hopefully not that stupid AFI one...
Post by: Code-Runner on February 26, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
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Post by: BoringJ on February 26, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
Im going to open her up tonight to see if the solder is the problem I have a couple questions though.
1. Why would the power cord affect my picture?
2.What precautions should I take when handling the power supply?
Post by: loserkid182 on February 26, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
Both of mine are like this one (UK Ver though - duh)
Both my boxes are 1.1, I have some tiny surge protectors that I have used on both of them for a couple of years now. (really they are super small)
So now I have plugged in one of the new cables with the other surge protector dongle also (the tiny one has a light on so you can see if the power is on, saves digging around to find the block on the new cable.
Post by: WolfPac_Ite on February 26, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Feb 23 2005, 11:51 PM)
thats true, but MS didn't make the power supply, and it shouldnt catch on fire
It's their fault for using POS PSU's. FoxLink is made by Deer, Allied is from Deer, and Deer = junk, although Allied is Deer's least-junky brand. I'd never accept any of Deer's brands, Which include Hyena, Eagle, Foxlink, Foxconn, Austin, Codegen, Logic, L&C, Duro, PowerUp, Hercules.
Post by: Meep on February 26, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
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Post by: wolrahnaes on February 26, 2005, 05:10:00 PM
I popped my Xbox open and the power supply soldering looks fine, so I'm gonna stick with the stock cord at least until I can get another power strip or move my Xbox somewhere else. I don't have room for another wall-wart, even one as narrow as this one.
Post by: Ethan on February 26, 2005, 06:18:00 PM
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Post by: Min on February 26, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
Do I need to order a new one as I don't want one of them fat one's or is standard cable ok?. Oh and I've never heard crackling or anything from the box.
Psu is model ftps-0002 rev G.
Post by: NTICompass on February 26, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on February 26, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
I am looking at these replacement PSU's at Lik-sang,
Universal PSU
Naturally MS can't give me a replacement cable for this Xbox, so I will be using the older cable from my v1.1 or v1.3.
Does anyone know the build quality of these PSUs and whether it will be OK with the old cord?
Post by: wup on February 26, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
Wup
Post by: ry38read on February 26, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
Post by: ThaCrip on February 26, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
thats the power cord i got... i got a 1.0 xbox.
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 26, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: Joshua Wood on February 27, 2005, 02:32:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...1&st=&p=&#entry
(update to that info, it wasn't the power in that one building. And it can make sparking sounds if I wiggle the power cord around in the socket).
It looked all ok when I pulled it out... maybe I should check again. Can someone please post or point me to a photo of a foxlink PSU which shows the top? Would be easier than me opening my box to check. Mine has a big transformer next to the female cable socket.
I hope there isn't too much wrong, as I'm overseas and will be interesting to try and get it fixed....
What sort of damage can this cause? Will it just fry the PSU, or can it screw the whole xbox? (I think I missed this info, sorry).
Post by: Exobex on February 27, 2005, 04:49:00 AM
Funny that, it's well within the "recall range". Still, getting three shipped out for long-dead Xboxes, so they'll do
Post by: toyato89 on February 27, 2005, 05:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Joshua Wood @ Feb 27 2005, 10:02 AM)
I hope there isn't too much wrong, as I'm overseas and will be interesting to try and get it fixed....
If you're overseas, order a new one from Lik-Sang, depending on your xbox version. It will be dual voltage as well then, for more portability. I did it and it works perfect.
- http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=157&products_id=2670&
- http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=157&products_id=4238&
Cheers,
Cam
Post by: wobbie on February 27, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
I would suggest that adding any amount of solder onto the joints above and beyond what is needed is actually just as dangerous as leaving it alone.
A solder joint should be concave and have just enough solder to reliably make contact between the leg and the pad. If more is put on, the joint is still prone to breaking at the pad. If this happens it will arc. If an arc happens near solder it will melt the solder and splash it around the place. It can quite easily short out other points. For this reason please dont do it!
If the solder joint is broken, but the pad is still stuck properly then romove all the solder with a solder sucker or braid and re-solder it properly. For added strength I would suggest glue. Not solder!
If the black box is infact an RCD then the same effect can be achieved by buying a <£5 RCD from an electrical store (often found with lawn mowers and other outdoor electrics), and plug your old power lead through one of these.
From my electrical saftey trtaining notes:
An RCD breaks the circuit when there is an imbalance of current between the live and neutral conductors.
If current leaks to earth via a person, the circuit is broken.
They do not prevent electric shock, they only limit the severity of a shock.
Basicly sticking an RCD is on the end of it, in my view is an unsatisfactory bodge. The unit is still, prone to catching fire, able to give minor electric shock, and unfit for purpose. They should have been recalled.
Post by: sweethip on February 27, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
any ideas guys?
thanks
This post has been edited by sweethip: Feb 27 2005, 07:54 PM
Post by: wobbie on February 27, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 27, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(wobbie @ Feb 27 2005, 06:26 PM)
maybe the softpower button has either broken or its cable has come loose.
no its a mobo problem... and i wish to god somebody would figure out what causes it
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 27, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: wobbie on February 27, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
was pretty sure it would be an RCD.
My wrong...
actually... i dont know about AFI's and i cant get any results when searching either here or with RS? got any links to info?
This post has been edited by wobbie: Feb 27 2005, 08:14 PM
Post by: wobbie on February 27, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
I just searched google and the reason (as far as i can read - correct me if i am wrong) that i dont know wat a GFI is and I think that it is an RCD... is because they are the same thing. GFI is the american term for it, and I am English.
QUOTE
In electrical engineering, residual current circuit breakers (RCCB) or residual current devices (RCD) are circuit breakers that operate to disconnect their circuit whenever they detect that current leaking out of the circuit (such as current leaking to earth through a ground fault) exceeds safety limits. These devices can be tested to see if they are operational and/or they have been wired correctly.
The terms ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) or ground fault interrupter (GFI) are used in the United States and Canada, but these terms are not, strictly speaking, correct (or at least complete), because a RCCB will trip if current leaks anywhere, not just to ground. One might more properly call the device a Balance Fault Interrupter (BFI), rather than GFI, because it will trip if current, for example, leaks to or from another circuit such as either the "hot" or "cold" side of a nearby 12 volt DC renewable energy system, or a nearby ethernet jack, etc.. The device will trip on any balance fault, not just a balance fault to ground.
The terms ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) or ground fault interrupter (GFI) are used in the United States and Canada, but these terms are not, strictly speaking, correct (or at least complete), because a RCCB will trip if current leaks anywhere, not just to ground. One might more properly call the device a Balance Fault Interrupter (BFI), rather than GFI, because it will trip if current, for example, leaks to or from another circuit such as either the "hot" or "cold" side of a nearby 12 volt DC renewable energy system, or a nearby ethernet jack, etc.. The device will trip on any balance fault, not just a balance fault to ground.
Post by: xman954 on February 27, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(xman954 @ Feb 23 2005, 11:20 PM)
it is not a GFI
this is from the UL site
Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCIs)
AFCI's involve a technology that detects arcing-faults in electrical circuits that could cause fires. By recognizing characteristics unique to arcing and functioning to de-energize the circuit when an arc-fault is detected, AFCI's further reduce the risk of fire beyond the scope of conventional fuses and circuit breakers.
this is from the UL site
Arc Fault Circuit Interrupters (AFCIs)
AFCI's involve a technology that detects arcing-faults in electrical circuits that could cause fires. By recognizing characteristics unique to arcing and functioning to de-energize the circuit when an arc-fault is detected, AFCI's further reduce the risk of fire beyond the scope of conventional fuses and circuit breakers.
Circuit = xbox
AFXI :)
will anyone post the UL numbers on there new cord
or look it up and post the UL spec..
still waiting for replacment
This post has been edited by xman954: Feb 27 2005, 09:45 PM
Post by: thoroide on February 27, 2005, 07:12:00 PM
Immediately unplug the 220V and call me.
When opened the xbox, searching for problem using the nose... I found that is exactly as reported on the first post of this thread. The 220V input connector is clearly desolded, and sparkled. I resolded with a lot of tin, and then is all OK.
The only things is.. and if I'm out of my home ?
and if the flame burn my house ?
who pay ?
Bye all
This post has been edited by thoroide: Feb 28 2005, 03:13 AM
Post by: tctsk8r on February 27, 2005, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Coolpplse on February 27, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
Well anyways 2 things have screwed MS now and they're all from China what do you guys Think???
THOMPSON DVD Drive China, Shenzhen
Foxlink PSU, China Somewhere
What MS "DOES" need to do next time is not using any "MADE IN CHINA" products or products manufactured in dirt cheap factories with cheap China labor
Post by: Tiberius_X on February 27, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on February 27, 2005, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: krackheadbill on February 28, 2005, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 28, 2005, 12:55:00 AM
for evreyone else, the reason why you have a new cord is so that for you lazy fuckers out there who dont unplug it when you transport your xbox, you dont do as much major damage the connecter
Post by: T-1200 on February 28, 2005, 03:45:00 AM
M$=Idiots.
Post by: japanwings on February 28, 2005, 05:44:00 AM
PAL Belgium
Post by: Lapuff on February 28, 2005, 06:15:00 AM
Post by: TykSak on February 28, 2005, 06:25:00 AM
Post by: mm1385 on February 28, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
Post by: Lapuff on February 28, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
mm yes mod this on the box hahaha...sound interesting hmmm
Post by: canibull on February 28, 2005, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(megahurtz @ Feb 25 2005, 12:29 AM)
I got my box in the mail today and it had the big clunker of a afi inside of it. This issue has me interested though, so I opened up my xbox and was sort of suprised to see that there was a DELTA psu inside of it.
v1.0 xbox mfg date 11-21-01
delta psu
v1.0 xbox mfg date 11-21-01
delta psu
I second that, my XBOX is mfg´d 04-16-2002 and is a v1.0 or 1.1 purchased in Sweden so it's a European version.. dont remember, I've also got a Delta PSU in mine, and I got the AFI power chord (not complaining, it's a nice peice of hardware to get for free).. but realy, I would have expected MS to take more responcibility
The weird thing about mine is that it like yours has a delta PSU, and the solderpoints are unharmed and everything, BUT mine has sufferd internal damages.. the problem is that got the ARCing problem where the xbox shuts down and all that, I have identified a component underneith the PCB of the PSU half melted so there has defineatly been some sort of electrical malfunction
The result of all this is that the sound in all games, XBMC and all PCM audio is distorted (crackling), while sound when playing DVDs works fine.. probably a DAC or something got semi-fried during the electrical malfunction, but the xbox in general works like it should, still it's unusable for anything except playing DVDs, I've tried to fix it with no luck
Anyone who could answer me this, would a replacement PSU fix the problem, or alternativly, would purchasing an XBOX live headset work, I mean, they're more or less a separate USB soundcard so it might work.. perhaps?
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 28, 2005, 03:28:00 PM
http://www.pictures....ousPowerSupply/
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 28, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: xb0xfever on February 28, 2005, 03:31:00 PM
I'm so gonna bug you about this!
The Delta Power Supplys Rock! The power connection is Rock solid.
But as for Foxlink, Shame on you! I have 2 xboxs with broken solder joints! and seen many more in my days of repair/moding.
So...Bill....If the power cords are not for this problem, then what do you plan on doing for the faulty Foxlink systems?
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 28, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: Warlock427 on February 28, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
. When are big companys like MS going to start telling the truth instead the copout crap they seem to like spining the public.People affected should be get new xbox not a bandaid.
I am in New Zealand and micrsoft sent me a big bandaid in the form of the huge GFI thing.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 28, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
MS shipped consoles with substandard and dangerous power supplies.. and waits 3 years before trying to do a bandaid solution that won't fix the underlying problem. The units with those power supplies are still a hazard, and owners of old school consoles with them still run a risk just powering it on.
MS in their eternal "wisdom" decided to ship 2$ cables to bandaid the problem instead of doing the more costly and proper solution of a recall on the affected units, pay shipping both ways, and replace those old power supplies with ones that won't destroy the unit.
Will this happen.. I won't hold my breath.
Post by: intellekt on February 28, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
my cat managed to get into the last pic
im guessing i cant use freewebtown.com to host my pictures
i got some spam message, so i hosted them somewhere else.
Post by: lazystudent on February 28, 2005, 03:56:00 PM
Someone a page or two back asked about the UL number on the clunker: E130151
Which (when looked up on ul.com) ends up at this page
Post by: NooberTehGod on February 28, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: wup on February 28, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 28, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
soda came out my nose when I read M$'s "response"
So, here's MY response:
QUOTE
MS denied any reports of power supply or soldering problems.
That is the most obvious LIE ive ever heard
Who are they trying to fool? We have definite PROOF that the foxlink 1.0/1.1 PSU's are defective (just look at the pages of replies from ppl with failed fox psu's). Also:
1. Failure rate on the delta and Mineba PSU's is substantially less then the foxlink (once again going by replies on this thread)
2. The fox PSU is the only one of the three that does not have any other bracing on the power connector than the 2 solder joints.
3. On the newer fox psu's (such as the one in my 1.4) the power connector now has extra bracing, showing that they DID recognize that it was a problem.
QUOTE
The cord this consumer received is designed to shut off power to the Xbox if it detects an electrical condition called 'sustained overvoltage.' This rare condition can be caused by things like downed power lines in a wind storm or faulty wiring in a house
Bull. How come the xbox is so special that it needs this, when most other electrical equipment doesnt come with a cord like this? We all know damn well that it is to shut off the xbox when the power supply goes up in smoke.
QUOTE
not all cords that we supply to program participants will look the same. Which type of cord is shipped depends on the date the console was manufactured
So, why do some xboxes not need to be protected from this "sustained overvoltage". This once again proves that the cause of the recall was some problem with the older consoles that had been fixed, covered up, and ignored for three years.
Burn.
This is what I think M$ whould do:
They know which xboxes have the bad PSU's, because they send out power cords accordingly.
So, you type in your xbox's serial number, and they sond you a new Delta or Mineba power supply, with detailed installation instructions (for the dummies).
The affected consoles are already way out of warranty, so the user opening the xbox to replace the psu would be no problem.
Post by: theDeacon on February 28, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: Shebang on February 28, 2005, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: kevinlekiller on February 28, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
Did someone with a 1.2 or 1.3 and a foxlink psu get a GFI plug?
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 28, 2005, 07:07:00 PM
QUOTE(kevinlekiller @ Mar 1 2005, 01:45 AM)
Does anyone with a 1.0 delta got a GFI Plug?
Did someone with a 1.2 or 1.3 and a foxlink psu get a GFI plug?
Did someone with a 1.2 or 1.3 and a foxlink psu get a GFI plug?
1. Yes, a few (best guess is that at first they didn't keep track of which brand PSU was in each box, then once this problem surfaced they started keeping track. So, the REALLY old xboxes, they dont know which brand PSU is in there, so they send a AFI to all of em.)
2. Don't know.
Post by: demonslayer666 on February 28, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
well it was refurbsed in 2002
it has a delta logo on it not FoxFire
its a 1.0
it looks intirly difrent.
Do you think M$ knew then.
Post by: painkillah1 on February 28, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: kevinlekiller on February 28, 2005, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Mar 1 2005, 02:06 AM)
1. Yes, a few (best guess is that at first they didn't keep track of which brand PSU was in each box, then once this problem surfaced they started keeping track. So, the REALLY old xboxes, they dont know which brand PSU is in there, so they send a AFI to all of em.)
2. Don't know.
2. Don't know.
Thank you for your fast reply.
Is there another use to this AFI(GFI?) Thing for the xbox other than shutting it off in case of a malfunction?
Post by: ahpunk on February 28, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
i got 1 question, can i just purchase any other power for use with the xbox? as long as the connector is fit?
i assume the transformer stuff is inside the the PSU, just like a PC, we could just use any cable (eg morlex) as long as the connectors fit?
Post by: Xbox-Modder-1986 on February 28, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: greenmile on February 28, 2005, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: DjO on February 28, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: Strummer12 on February 28, 2005, 09:18:00 PM
Has anyone else got the xbox not affected screen? I'm paranoid that this box will catch fire and if it does I hope it takes my fat bitch of a girlfriend with it.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 28, 2005, 09:16:00 PM
You should be fine, the newer foxlinks have the better reinforced power plug, its only thr 1.0/1.1 typw that have no support.
Post by: ahpunk on February 28, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 28, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: ahpunk on February 28, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: renegade-sniper on February 28, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 28, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
I had one made in dec. 2003 that said it didnt need one.
Post by: renegade-sniper on February 28, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
Also thanks for the fast reply.
This post has been edited by renegade-sniper: Mar 1 2005, 06:32 AM
Post by: Coolpplse on March 01, 2005, 12:59:00 AM
If I do get a Protection Cord for the v1.1 box that uses the Delta PSU, should I require myself to use the Protection cord or be able to use the Original cord without the MS lie flying around my head?
Post by: Coolpplse on March 01, 2005, 01:10:00 AM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Mar 1 2005, 12:26 AM)
LOL!!!
soda came out my nose when I read M$'s "response"
So, here's MY response:
That is the most obvious LIE ive ever heard
Who are they trying to fool? We have definite PROOF that the foxlink 1.0/1.1 PSU's are defective (just look at the pages of replies from ppl with failed fox psu's). Also:
1. Failure rate on the delta and Mineba PSU's is substantially less then the foxlink (once again going by replies on this thread)
2. The fox PSU is the only one of the three that does not have any other bracing on the power connector than the 2 solder joints.
3. On the newer fox psu's (such as the one in my 1.4) the power connector now has extra bracing, showing that they DID recognize that it was a problem.
Bull. How come the xbox is so special that it needs this, when most other electrical equipment doesnt come with a cord like this? We all know damn well that it is to shut off the xbox when the power supply goes up in smoke.
So, why do some xboxes not need to be protected from this "sustained overvoltage". This once again proves that the cause of the recall was some problem with the older consoles that had been fixed, covered up, and ignored for three years.
Burn.
This is what I think M$ whould do:
They know which xboxes have the bad PSU's, because they send out power cords accordingly.
So, you type in your xbox's serial number, and they sond you a new Delta or Mineba power supply, with detailed installation instructions (for the dummies).
The affected consoles are already way out of warranty, so the user opening the xbox to replace the psu would be no problem.
soda came out my nose when I read M$'s "response"
So, here's MY response:
That is the most obvious LIE ive ever heard
Who are they trying to fool? We have definite PROOF that the foxlink 1.0/1.1 PSU's are defective (just look at the pages of replies from ppl with failed fox psu's). Also:
1. Failure rate on the delta and Mineba PSU's is substantially less then the foxlink (once again going by replies on this thread)
2. The fox PSU is the only one of the three that does not have any other bracing on the power connector than the 2 solder joints.
3. On the newer fox psu's (such as the one in my 1.4) the power connector now has extra bracing, showing that they DID recognize that it was a problem.
Bull. How come the xbox is so special that it needs this, when most other electrical equipment doesnt come with a cord like this? We all know damn well that it is to shut off the xbox when the power supply goes up in smoke.
So, why do some xboxes not need to be protected from this "sustained overvoltage". This once again proves that the cause of the recall was some problem with the older consoles that had been fixed, covered up, and ignored for three years.
Burn.
This is what I think M$ whould do:
They know which xboxes have the bad PSU's, because they send out power cords accordingly.
So, you type in your xbox's serial number, and they sond you a new Delta or Mineba power supply, with detailed installation instructions (for the dummies).
The affected consoles are already way out of warranty, so the user opening the xbox to replace the psu would be no problem.
Yah and then 5 min later they find out to open the xbx they need to use Torx Screwdriver, then 2 min later they read the xbx stickers on the bottom and become paranoid to open it, then 5 min later they reach the PSU, touch it idiotically and then kill themselves without saying their last words
Post by: Warlock427 on March 01, 2005, 01:35:00 AM
It seems fine for microsort to sue people when they feel like screwing someone.
Post by: Coolpplse on March 01, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Warlock427 @ Mar 1 2005, 08:34 AM)
Everyone with or has had this problem should all Sue the hell outta them!
It seems fine for microsort to sue people when they feel like screwing someone.
It seems fine for microsort to sue people when they feel like screwing someone.
No way! This is the time to tell ur affected friends to mod/softmod their xbx's if they want a real fix lol j/k
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 01, 2005, 04:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 28 2005, 06:01 PM)
i can see how most of you think that ms has done thw wrong thing here. but i think that they have done the right thing. if you have a psu that is liable to have a dry joint, they give you the cord with the big bulky plug thing. if it stops working, you send it to ms, the replace the psu.
for evreyone else, the reason why you have a new cord is so that for you lazy fuckers out there who dont unplug it when you transport your xbox, you dont do as much major damage the connecter
for evreyone else, the reason why you have a new cord is so that for you lazy fuckers out there who dont unplug it when you transport your xbox, you dont do as much major damage the connecter
did any of you even read this?
Post by: ruciz on March 01, 2005, 06:01:00 AM
Post by: manu_xl on March 01, 2005, 05:38:00 AM
Post by: okoaomo on March 01, 2005, 06:18:00 AM
You see.... I'm becoming more off an adult every day. I just blamed it on the beer..... I should be ashamed of myself.
oKoAoMo
Post by: proprone on March 01, 2005, 08:54:00 AM
Unfortunatly it has been my experience that it is not only the foxlink PSU that has this problem. My box is a 1.0 from mexico, and it has a delta PSU. or rather it HAD a delta PSU. Solder points loose, i resoldered it, worked for a month, exploded (litterally, i think one of the capacitators blew). In any case, its all fixed now but i've learned something about these delta PSU's. There are at least two different versions, and one IS better than the other. About 1.5 CM into the box from the plug (where the power cord inserts) is a little box, dimentions approx 1.5X1X1 (cm, i've lived in canada for too long). The easiest way to tell what version of the PSU you have have is just the colour of the box. From my experience,
BEIGE or GREY = BAD, RESOLDER IMMEDIATLY
BLUE = no need to resolder.
I believe this to be true after working with several PSU's.
by the way, thanks to xtek69 for a "blue" delta:D
Post by: Ycon on March 01, 2005, 10:09:00 AM
Maybe there's something with the components.
Post by: kencix on March 01, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
...there's nothin wrong with xbox cables.. if solder points are bad inside the xbox, then it's gonna be a prob...
Post by: Ycon on March 01, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
QUOTE(proprone @ Mar 1 2005, 04:00 PM)
I got a bit of a speculated update for you mods n modders:
Unfortunatly it has been my experience that it is not only the foxlink PSU that has this problem. My box is a 1.0 from mexico, and it has a delta PSU. or rather it HAD a delta PSU. Solder points loose, i resoldered it, worked for a month, exploded (litterally, i think one of the capacitators blew). In any case, its all fixed now but i've learned something about these delta PSU's. There are at least two different versions, and one IS better than the other. About 1.5 CM into the box from the plug (where the power cord inserts) is a little box, dimentions approx 1.5X1X1 (cm, i've lived in canada for too long). The easiest way to tell what version of the PSU you have have is just the colour of the box. From my experience,
BEIGE or GREY = BAD, RESOLDER IMMEDIATLY
BLUE = no need to resolder.
I believe this to be true after working with several PSU's.
by the way, thanks to xtek69 for a "blue" delta:D
Unfortunatly it has been my experience that it is not only the foxlink PSU that has this problem. My box is a 1.0 from mexico, and it has a delta PSU. or rather it HAD a delta PSU. Solder points loose, i resoldered it, worked for a month, exploded (litterally, i think one of the capacitators blew). In any case, its all fixed now but i've learned something about these delta PSU's. There are at least two different versions, and one IS better than the other. About 1.5 CM into the box from the plug (where the power cord inserts) is a little box, dimentions approx 1.5X1X1 (cm, i've lived in canada for too long). The easiest way to tell what version of the PSU you have have is just the colour of the box. From my experience,
BEIGE or GREY = BAD, RESOLDER IMMEDIATLY
BLUE = no need to resolder.
I believe this to be true after working with several PSU's.
by the way, thanks to xtek69 for a "blue" delta:D
Can you give a picture of the boxes please ?
Post by: manu_xl on March 01, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(proprone @ Mar 1 2005, 04:00 PM)
In any case, its all fixed now but i've learned something about these delta PSU's. There are at least two different versions, and one IS better than the other. About 1.5 CM into the box from the plug (where the power cord inserts) is a little box, dimentions approx 1.5X1X1 (cm, i've lived in canada for too long). The easiest way to tell what version of the PSU you have have is just the colour of the box. From my experience,
BEIGE or GREY = BAD, RESOLDER IMMEDIATLY
BLUE = no need to resolder.
BEIGE or GREY = BAD, RESOLDER IMMEDIATLY
BLUE = no need to resolder.
look at my pictures on page 19. i have the grey delta. but i have to say that those 2 solder joints look perfect. i cant give a closer picture because my camera sucks big time.
Post by: Ycon on March 01, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: fredou2005 on March 01, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
Manu date: 2001-10-27 and 2002-07-16
and both are Delta Powersupply with still perfect join.
I tought all in 2001 were Foxy's one... Well I'm lucky.!
fredou
Post by: Exobex on March 01, 2005, 02:47:00 PM
QUOTE(kencix @ Mar 1 2005, 04:13 PM)
i use the cable for my pc (big one).. it protects my pc better then ordinary cable ...
there's nothin wrong with xbox cables.. if solder points are bad inside the xbox, then it's gonna be a prob...
...there's nothin wrong with xbox cables.. if solder points are bad inside the xbox, then it's gonna be a prob...
Your PC has the same power connector as an Xbox?
Post by: kevinlekiller on March 01, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Mar 1 2005, 09:46 PM)
Your PC has the same power connector as an Xbox?
He's joking...
I guess if our xbox's psu's breakdown we can send them to micr0s0ft and get them fixed.
Post by: CandieCorpse on March 01, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: shibz on March 01, 2005, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on March 01, 2005, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(manu_xl @ Mar 2 2005, 04:16 AM)
look at my pictures on page 19. i have the grey delta. but i have to say that those 2 solder joints look perfect. i cant give a closer picture because my camera sucks big time.
This description of the grey/blue delta only works to describe 110v supplies, as the 240v version is designed a little differently.
I think it would be better to describe them as the one and two capacitor versions.
Post by: Conundrum1911 on March 01, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
Conundrum1911
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 01, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: wolrahnaes on March 01, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
QUOTE(kevinlekiller @ Feb 28 2005, 08:45 PM)
Does anyone with a 1.0 delta got a GFI Plug?
Did someone with a 1.2 or 1.3 and a foxlink psu get a GFI plug?
Did someone with a 1.2 or 1.3 and a foxlink psu get a GFI plug?
I got the AFI cord for my 1.0 (10/19/2001) box, and I just checked, it's a Delta. Solder joints look fine, so I'm gonna just throw the AFI cord in the corner.
Post by: XboxGuru on March 01, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
What causes the joints to break is the little plastic stay clips on the connector are originally secured to the PCB with some kind of crappy black adhesive.
Once the adhesive gives way the only thing holding the connector is the solder joints and they break when you pull the power cord out.
I took some super glue to secure the clips and then I repaired the broken solder joints.
This 1.0 I have has given me a major pain I already had one of the electrolytic capacitors spill its guts and blow on the mobo which made my room look like a crack house and gave me a bonus melting plastic aroma.
I replaced the mobo then for some reason the fan ground connector on the new mobo stopped working then the thing would overheat due to the fan not working so then I bought the 12v connector to run it off the HDD cable.
Do you think the PSU caused the mobo capacitor to blow and put me $70 in the hole??? Or is that just bad luck?
This post has been edited by XboxGuru: Mar 2 2005, 04:45 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on March 01, 2005, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: Ycon on March 02, 2005, 07:03:00 AM
QUOTE(kevinlekiller @ Mar 1 2005, 10:39 PM)
He's joking...
I guess if our xbox's psu's breakdown we can send them to micr0s0ft and get them fixed.
I guess if our xbox's psu's breakdown we can send them to micr0s0ft and get them fixed.
I don't think so if you opened your xbox
Post by: crispycritter on March 02, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
I wonder if Tribal mods is even in business. I would buy even more apache 2.0 chips. I love it in my 400+ watt ATX power supply
Post by: theunbeatable on March 02, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Mar 2 2005, 02:46 AM)
yeah the rev B foxlinks are the better ones with the reinforced connectors
And what revision type are we talking about when it comes to the reinforced connectors? Only B? I have an xbox mfg 14-10-2003 which has the foxlink revision H type. Do you mean this type? H seems more recent than B :D
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 02, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: XboxGuru on March 02, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
It seems they realized there was a problem then they started securing the connector down with rivets.
Post by: BCrowie on March 02, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Nawty1 on March 02, 2005, 08:30:00 PM
Anyway that's all I got at the moment. Still Sony is doing nothing... but then again a disc read error isn't going to burn down your home.
Post by: pimpmaul69 on March 02, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Nawty1 @ Mar 3 2005, 03:36 AM)
For all those that think MS did the right thing i have something for you. For all the very stupid people we have in the world MS is retarded for not admitting the real reason for the recall. Which is the solder joints going bad causing arcing and sparking. Because when people get these new powercords and find out that there xbox will not work with these things because the AFI keeps popping they are going to use their old cords that will still work because they aren't protected. And then you are going to have the exact same problem. Would this keep MS from being liable since the stupid people didn't use the new cord? I don't think so since they didn't admit the REAL problem.
Anyway that's all I got at the moment. Still Sony is doing nothing... but then again a disc read error isn't going to burn down your home.
Anyway that's all I got at the moment. Still Sony is doing nothing... but then again a disc read error isn't going to burn down your home.
yeah but they have 7000x model little ps2's with lasers that catch fire and they get so hot they melt linolium...and anyways even if they have systems that play only upside down and inside out doesnt mean they shouldnt do a recall... all 5000x model ps2's hava a bad chip on the mobo..known prob. no recall they shoulda stopped with the 3900x model ps2's... and not to mention ps 1..sony hasnt done a recall in the 9 or so years of playstation but MS atleast gave a bandaid to help the people who wont be stupid and burn themselves down
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 02, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
Please sign this!!!
http://www.petitiono...p/petition.html
Post by: pat123 on March 02, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on March 03, 2005, 01:59:00 AM
This is a console that is nearing the end (prematurely) of its lifecycle, MS want to minimise the amount of cases of hazard to person and property, they do not care if your console craps out, so long as it doesn't burn you and your home in the process. They also don't want people opening the box (naturally), therefore they will externalize the problem and point to the cord as being at fault.
People here have to remember that not everyone who owns an Xbox is part of this scene. Most people would weigh up the risk and decide not to send there console back and miss out on two weeks of gaming. But it takes very little effort to receive a cord in the mail.
Petitions are all very well, but come on, lets not kid ourselves. Most of the people that are going to sign it are capable of fixing the problem themselves.
Post by: dparish on March 03, 2005, 02:07:00 AM
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Post by: red_devil666 on March 03, 2005, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: seriouslysilly on March 03, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
they were all different, 1.0s and others manufactured in early and late '03.
i was expecting to get the bulky only for the 1.0s and the thinner replacement for the '03s.
when i got them all, they were all the bulky.
i'm not complaining, but has this happened to anybody who just ordered very recently?
Post by: Kkooly66 on March 03, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: krackheadbill on March 03, 2005, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Kkooly66 on March 03, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
right... im bill gates... that makes sense.... or maybe i just know how to read a 2 page manual that comes with the power cord.... i bought an xbox... so why would i trash the company that made it... i would just be a hypocrite
Post by: Charlemagne on March 04, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
I have 2 1.0's....one's a Delta and one's a Minebea or whatever it is...
Those don't have this problem?
Post by: manu_xl on March 05, 2005, 04:17:00 AM
QUOTE(SoG @ Mar 5 2005, 10:51 AM)
its funny how the topic creator says absolutely posivitely the source of the problem, is these 2 lil hook ups in the psu. yet no proof has been given, wheres the sciene?
wheres the results of tests?
wheres the results of tests?
idiot. of course those 2 solder joints are the real reason.
nice first post!! check llama.com which have repaired thousand of power supply units.
Post by: Hack_Bird on March 06, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
I don't have a fireshit PSU or what, in my xbox.
I recieved a normal replacment for my 1.3 or 1.4 (Serial check)
by the way.
I believe M$ khow's al lot of your xbox.
Every part, Dash and Bios versions (Original)
and also what Format code is aply for in your SystemInfo (Default Dash)
some basic of the format code.
Mostly begins with Y and hafe 5 things to put in
yx Left (L Thumpstick3x)
YY xa Left
No B (Used for back)
Post by: xbox_maister on March 06, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: GraFfiX420 on March 06, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: Kkooly66 on March 06, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Sacroligous2K5 on March 06, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Kkooly66 @ Mar 6 2005, 07:24 PM)
well the are crap... obviously because they arent supposed to fix anything....but confine the hazard
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 06, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
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yeah most of us on here can fix the psu's ourselves, I'm doing this more for the other millions of ppl that have xboxes that now wont catch on fire, but will still stop working.
BTW, whats this "format code" thing somebody mentioned? Like you hit a certain button combo in te ms dash? What does it do?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Cio on March 08, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
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If i see just ONE crack on there i'm soldering the goddamn replacement cord INTO my xbox.
God i hate anyoine with enuff money to lie and actually get away with it.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 08, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
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That I guess is somewhat correct, but your power cord assumption is slightly off.
1. Only 1.0 and 1.1 xboxes get the AFI cord (for the most part)
2. All 1.0's and 1.1's with foxlinks get the AFI, and some with Delta and Mineba supplies.
3. Only the Foxlink "Rev. A" psu's (only in 1.0 and 1.1) do not have the riveted connector. Foxlink fixed this in later revisions.
4. All 1.2-1.5 xboxes with foxlink PSU's get a normal power cord (assumption)
5. Some 1.2-1.5 xboxes with delta get a normal cord, but most do not get any replacement
6. No 1.6 boxes get any power cord.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Q3A-TaNK on March 08, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
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X-S was featured in Gamespots weeky rumor news heres the link: http://www.gamespot....ws_6119725.html
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: me_007x on March 08, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
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So the problem is not the xbox, but the cord..
Page 5 of the UK user manual that comes with the big block thing.
"Test the Xbox Protection Cord each time you plut it in to make sure it is working properly"
Why if it is supposed to solve the problem?????
Page 3 of the UK user manual that comes with the big block thing
"Your Xbox console may be susceptible to electrical problems that can cause damage or fire inside the console. Even though the Xbox console is designed to keep fire from spreading outside the console M$ recommends that you always use the Xbox Protection Cord with your console to further reduce this risk"
Seems to be an internal problem to me.
Anyone else?
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Typo
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: cavemonkey50 on March 08, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
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Why did that GameSpot article say that the power cord conspiracy was bogus? Are they blind!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: jpcw on March 08, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 08, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
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yeah but thats what the joints looked like originally, and they crack.
The problem is that there is too much stress on the joint, and in this case a bit more solder helps to hold the load better. (I would also suggest gluing the power connector to the PCB with super glue or something)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: kris785426 on March 09, 2005, 01:59:00 AM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 06, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
BTW, whats this "format code" thing somebody mentioned? Like you hit a certain button combo in te ms dash? What does it do?
Post by: Cio on March 08, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
If i see just ONE crack on there i'm soldering the goddamn replacement cord INTO my xbox.
God i hate anyoine with enuff money to lie and actually get away with it.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 08, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
1. Only 1.0 and 1.1 xboxes get the AFI cord (for the most part)
2. All 1.0's and 1.1's with foxlinks get the AFI, and some with Delta and Mineba supplies.
3. Only the Foxlink "Rev. A" psu's (only in 1.0 and 1.1) do not have the riveted connector. Foxlink fixed this in later revisions.
4. All 1.2-1.5 xboxes with foxlink PSU's get a normal power cord (assumption)
5. Some 1.2-1.5 xboxes with delta get a normal cord, but most do not get any replacement
6. No 1.6 boxes get any power cord.
Post by: Q3A-TaNK on March 08, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: me_007x on March 08, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
Page 5 of the UK user manual that comes with the big block thing.
"Test the Xbox Protection Cord each time you plut it in to make sure it is working properly"
Why if it is supposed to solve the problem?????
Page 3 of the UK user manual that comes with the big block thing
"Your Xbox console may be susceptible to electrical problems that can cause damage or fire inside the console. Even though the Xbox console is designed to keep fire from spreading outside the console M$ recommends that you always use the Xbox Protection Cord with your console to further reduce this risk"
Seems to be an internal problem to me.
Anyone else?
[EDIT]
Typo
Post by: cavemonkey50 on March 08, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: jpcw on March 08, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 08, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
The problem is that there is too much stress on the joint, and in this case a bit more solder helps to hold the load better. (I would also suggest gluing the power connector to the PCB with super glue or something)
Post by: kris785426 on March 09, 2005, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(jpcw @ Mar 9 2005, 07:05 AM)
If you put to much solder on you can end up with a "dry joint" which can be a lot weaker and is just as bad as not enough. The idea of the glue though is a very good one.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 09, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
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GameSpot is Bogus.
http://forums.xbox-s...=0#entry2393439
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Spider-One on March 09, 2005, 04:16:00 AM
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It's a good post. Hopefully Gamespot reads it and actually takes 5 minutes to look into this crap.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: cypherpunk on March 09, 2005, 05:46:00 AM
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Here are some pics of what's inside the "big box" (Euro version):
Top view:
The black thing below "sensor coil" is a coil wrapped around one of the outgoing power lines, which to me tends to support the theory that this is an arc detection box as it doesn't seem necessary to measure overvoltage, but I don't know much about these types of circuits.
Bottom view:
This thing has a daughtercard! Looks expensive.
Some part numbers: part marked "DB2" is marked
-6+
48G
IC on top of board next to circuit breaker is a KA2803B earth leakage detector. IC next to sensor coil is MOC3023 6-Pin DIP 400V Random Phase Triac Driver Output Optocoupler.
ICs on daughtercard are LM353M dual FET opamp and something that's had part of its number obscured but ends in "44B" or "448".
There's no sign of any evil modchip-disabling technology but hey, it could be hidden inside the transformer.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: mlapaglia on March 09, 2005, 06:09:00 AM
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Post by: shank69xo on March 09, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
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Still waiting for my replacement cords.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: FahadSaid on March 09, 2005, 05:15:00 PM
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The PSU problem is NOT for just for the Foxlink PSUs. I have a 1.3 that broke, checked mine and there it was, but it had a Delta PSU! Mabye MS got lazy on soldering or quality.
I dunno about some people, but some have a 1.0, play it to the extreme, and they have that "1 in 10 000" fuck up.
MS is shit.
PS - They suck cause mine broke of that and they say it's my fault.
Losers...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: sandman1687 on March 09, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
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just to add something: i have 2 boxes, a 1.4 and a 1.0 . i put in both serial numbers to get replacements, and it turns out only the 1.4 needed a new cord. but get this: the cord i got with my 1.0 and my 1.4 are the EXACT same: every single number on them are the same, down to the last digit. i whole-heartedly agree that the power cord replacement is a fraud, as the only thing my "replacement" grip has is a bigger edge for me to grab it.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: fahrenheit on March 09, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
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The systems they use to determine the replacement cord needed, is probably not an exact science. I received one of two cords a couple of days after filling out the online form. Just the other day, I received the second cord all the way from the Netherlands. The problem is that I'm in New Zealand. The cord is completely different and completely useless. The Xbox in question was secondhand, so its hard to determine where it was first bought, but its more likely a clerical error and I'm sure people will be receiving the wrong replacements. It's probably just one big crapshoot.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: deakphreak on March 09, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
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HERE IS MY PROOF!!!!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Paranoid666au on March 09, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
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Don't know if people have seen this or not but it's quite obvious by M$ it's not the power cords but the Xbox themselves. If you think obout it, it would be imposible to recall the actual Xbox consoles them selves and replace them. Otherwise M$ would lose there video game businees.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: bone135 on March 09, 2005, 11:42:00 PM
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By saying component failure it means to me that it is not the cord, just like this thread says. I just couldn't get over that gamespot article, hell it says it right in the letter from M$ that it wasn't the cable.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Paranoid666au on March 10, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
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Just read a gamespot article called "MS recalls Xbox power cords" dated 17/02/05. They stated "electrical-component failures" and there's no where that states the cords as the problem. You can find the article here http://www.gamespot....ws_6118722.html
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: DEADRAGE on March 10, 2005, 04:03:00 AM
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I have a 1.3 with a delta psu and the power supply went out in it too....however I ordered one from liksing.com and about three days later that one went out too!!
I just went and bought two 1.6's so hopefully those won't go out!! DAMN YOU MICROSHAFT!!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: diomedes74 on March 10, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
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That many power supply failures... I think maybe the problem is with the power itself dude.
Over the course of a few months, I went through 3 power supplies on my computer. I figured out that the power in my place sucks and that brownout/spikes were damaging the PSUs.
I got an electrical tester and sure enough, reversed polarity and no ground on the circuit my computer was plugged into. I found a good circuit and added a UPS - Ive had the same power supply for the last 3 years.
Would be cheaper for you to trouble shoot that then to keep buying xboxes and/or xbox PSUs I think.
Solid state electronics are less sensitive to bad power... so bad power/wiring is certainly less telling with regular electronics.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 10, 2005, 10:07:00 PM
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Well, OK, MS did seem to indicate it was some other prob in the xbox when they recalled the cords, but some article I found had a quote by ms saying that the power cords were "defective".
However, considering all the previous hints they gave at an internal problem, why the hell has the problem magically shifted to external factors like overvoltage? (betanews article)
Also, that 1 in 10000 failure rate is very off. So far, i've picked up that about 50-80% of these Foxlink 1.0 supplies have broken joints (and a small percentage of other brand/version supplies)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: onlinejames on March 12, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
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Im from Australia and i also have a v1 with a foxlink PSU ,and guess what ?? same problem, solder joints have broken , the xbox was still working , I was wondering where the website or contact info was so i may order my new power lead
I sure hope the new lead is a good solderer to fix the soldering that has broken away
thanks
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: onlinejames on March 12, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
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I found the link, I got 2 new leads on the way
one for the V1 dated 2002-01-04 with the Foxlink PSU
the other V3-V4 dates 2003-09-28 with a delta psu
how long does it take for the leads to reach people in australia??
thanks
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: aksmeg on March 12, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
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Chaulk us up as one suspicious of MS's "defective power" replacement policy. We found bad PSU solder joints the cause for our Xbox power failures. There was more than one. The first failure was due to the power cord socket connection to the circuit board as so commonly described in these posts. The second failure, also involving solder joints, occured a couple of months later and was much harder to discover. Many of the solder joints for the heat sunk voltage regulators were loose and visibly oxidized. It took an inspection using a jewler's loupe to see that those solder joints looked different than the other joints. They were of a different color and exhibited hairline gaps at the regulator's leads. It looked liked the leads were not properly cleaned of oxidation prior to soldering. Removing the solder, abrasive cleaning and resoldering fixed the PSU. Xbox gaming use seems to involve almost constant hard drive activity. The hard drive use in combination with the CPU and the graphics CPU requires more than your average desktop power use, yet this Xbox PSU is puny. Now throw the typical user -- like our kids -- into the picture. They think nothing of operating the device on a rug, up against a wad of dirty laundry, or with some tossed item also covering up the xbox ventilation holes. It is a setup for overheating the PSU.
How much money did MS save omitting the bolts to secure that power cord connector to the box? Do they need any more cash? Sooner or later an Xbox is going to burn up someone's house. Our kids now know to turn off the Xbox when not using it, but they don't really do it for safety reasons. They do it because they associate PSU failure with leaving it on not in use.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: henno on March 14, 2005, 03:11:00 AM
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I've had lots of faulty with the foxlink psu's & the dry joints.but today i got an early box in with a delta psu & the socket was not dry jointed but had one of the pins burnt out( & missing) & the other very badly scortched. but the supply board & the solder 100 % o.k. so there might be somthing yet in what m.s. has done. they might have two probs ! or more.?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: xfool2004 on March 16, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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First, I'd like to thank everybody invloved with this site! I usually find the answer to my problems and therefore I dont have to post too often!
I am having a problem with an xbox that uses a delta power supply. (V1.2) I have seen sparking from this xbox! It turned on, i left it on idle for about 2 hours, restarted it, and it hasnt turned on since. My friend was having similiar problems (this is his live box)
Can the xbox mobo be damaged or will replacing the PSU fix this problem?
Thanks everybody!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: seriouslysilly on March 16, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 17, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
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Just thank god M$ doesn't make cars. I can see it now:
"Yes, there have been reports of our cars catching fire, so we're sending all our customers a free fire extinguisher and a bottle of water!"
or
"we know the airbags sometimes don't deploy normally, so you must tape this pillow to the steering wheel, and keep it there at all times!"
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: shank69xo on March 17, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
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Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 09, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...=0#entry2393439
Post by: Spider-One on March 09, 2005, 04:16:00 AM
Post by: cypherpunk on March 09, 2005, 05:46:00 AM
Top view:
The black thing below "sensor coil" is a coil wrapped around one of the outgoing power lines, which to me tends to support the theory that this is an arc detection box as it doesn't seem necessary to measure overvoltage, but I don't know much about these types of circuits.
Bottom view:
This thing has a daughtercard! Looks expensive.
Some part numbers: part marked "DB2" is marked
-6+
48G
IC on top of board next to circuit breaker is a KA2803B earth leakage detector. IC next to sensor coil is MOC3023 6-Pin DIP 400V Random Phase Triac Driver Output Optocoupler.
ICs on daughtercard are LM353M dual FET opamp and something that's had part of its number obscured but ends in "44B" or "448".
There's no sign of any evil modchip-disabling technology but hey, it could be hidden inside the transformer.
Post by: mlapaglia on March 09, 2005, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: shank69xo on March 09, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
Still waiting for my replacement cords.
Post by: FahadSaid on March 09, 2005, 05:15:00 PM
I dunno about some people, but some have a 1.0, play it to the extreme, and they have that "1 in 10 000" fuck up.
MS is shit.
PS - They suck cause mine broke of that and they say it's my fault.
Losers...
Post by: sandman1687 on March 09, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on March 09, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: deakphreak on March 09, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: Paranoid666au on March 09, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
QUOTE
February 17, 2005
MS ANNOUNCES POWER CORD REPLACEMENT FOR XBOX
Dear Xbox Customer:
I am writing to provide you with information about a free power cord replacement program for Xbox.
MS has chosen to replace the power cords on Xbox consoles manufactured before October 23, 2003. Our records indicate that you may own one of these consoles.
We are providing replacement power cords because component failure in a small number of consoles - fewer than 1 in 10,000 - has caused burning inside the console or melting of the power cord where it connects to the console.
MS has designed the replacement power cords to protect you and your Xbox from these component failures and a potential fire hazard.
Check the manufacture date on the bottom of your console. No action is necessary if your console was manufactured on or after October 23, 2003.
If your console was manufactured before October 23, 2003, go to www.xbox.com and click on Power Cord Replacement for Xbox to get a free replacement power cord. If you are unable to access this website, please call 1800 073 897 in Australia and 0800 880 029 in New Zealand.
Your new cord should arrive in two to four weeks. Until you receive and install your replacement power cord, turn off your Xbox when it's not in use.
We appreciate your cooperation and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
Robbie Bach
Senior Vice President, Home & Entertainment Division
MS Corporation
MS ANNOUNCES POWER CORD REPLACEMENT FOR XBOX
Dear Xbox Customer:
I am writing to provide you with information about a free power cord replacement program for Xbox.
MS has chosen to replace the power cords on Xbox consoles manufactured before October 23, 2003. Our records indicate that you may own one of these consoles.
We are providing replacement power cords because component failure in a small number of consoles - fewer than 1 in 10,000 - has caused burning inside the console or melting of the power cord where it connects to the console.
MS has designed the replacement power cords to protect you and your Xbox from these component failures and a potential fire hazard.
Check the manufacture date on the bottom of your console. No action is necessary if your console was manufactured on or after October 23, 2003.
If your console was manufactured before October 23, 2003, go to www.xbox.com and click on Power Cord Replacement for Xbox to get a free replacement power cord. If you are unable to access this website, please call 1800 073 897 in Australia and 0800 880 029 in New Zealand.
Your new cord should arrive in two to four weeks. Until you receive and install your replacement power cord, turn off your Xbox when it's not in use.
We appreciate your cooperation and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
Robbie Bach
Senior Vice President, Home & Entertainment Division
MS Corporation
Don't know if people have seen this or not but it's quite obvious by M$ it's not the power cords but the Xbox themselves. If you think obout it, it would be imposible to recall the actual Xbox consoles them selves and replace them. Otherwise M$ would lose there video game businees.
Post by: bone135 on March 09, 2005, 11:42:00 PM
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"We are providing replacement power cords because component failure in a small number of consoles - fewer than 1 in 10,000 - has caused burning inside the console or melting of the power cord where it connects to the console"
By saying component failure it means to me that it is not the cord, just like this thread says. I just couldn't get over that gamespot article, hell it says it right in the letter from M$ that it wasn't the cable.
Post by: Paranoid666au on March 10, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
Post by: DEADRAGE on March 10, 2005, 04:03:00 AM
I just went and bought two 1.6's so hopefully those won't go out!! DAMN YOU MICROSHAFT!!
Post by: diomedes74 on March 10, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
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I have a 1.3 with a delta psu and the power supply went out in it too....however I ordered one from liksing.com and about three days later that one went out too!!
That many power supply failures... I think maybe the problem is with the power itself dude.
Over the course of a few months, I went through 3 power supplies on my computer. I figured out that the power in my place sucks and that brownout/spikes were damaging the PSUs.
I got an electrical tester and sure enough, reversed polarity and no ground on the circuit my computer was plugged into. I found a good circuit and added a UPS - Ive had the same power supply for the last 3 years.
Would be cheaper for you to trouble shoot that then to keep buying xboxes and/or xbox PSUs I think.
Solid state electronics are less sensitive to bad power... so bad power/wiring is certainly less telling with regular electronics.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 10, 2005, 10:07:00 PM
However, considering all the previous hints they gave at an internal problem, why the hell has the problem magically shifted to external factors like overvoltage? (betanews article)
Also, that 1 in 10000 failure rate is very off. So far, i've picked up that about 50-80% of these Foxlink 1.0 supplies have broken joints (and a small percentage of other brand/version supplies)
Post by: onlinejames on March 12, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
I sure hope the new lead is a good solderer to fix the soldering that has broken away
thanks
Post by: onlinejames on March 12, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
one for the V1 dated 2002-01-04 with the Foxlink PSU
the other V3-V4 dates 2003-09-28 with a delta psu
how long does it take for the leads to reach people in australia??
thanks
Post by: aksmeg on March 12, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
How much money did MS save omitting the bolts to secure that power cord connector to the box? Do they need any more cash? Sooner or later an Xbox is going to burn up someone's house. Our kids now know to turn off the Xbox when not using it, but they don't really do it for safety reasons. They do it because they associate PSU failure with leaving it on not in use.
Post by: henno on March 14, 2005, 03:11:00 AM
Post by: xfool2004 on March 16, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
I am having a problem with an xbox that uses a delta power supply. (V1.2) I have seen sparking from this xbox! It turned on, i left it on idle for about 2 hours, restarted it, and it hasnt turned on since. My friend was having similiar problems (this is his live box)
Can the xbox mobo be damaged or will replacing the PSU fix this problem?
Thanks everybody!
Post by: seriouslysilly on March 16, 2005, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 17, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
"Yes, there have been reports of our cars catching fire, so we're sending all our customers a free fire extinguisher and a bottle of water!"
or
"we know the airbags sometimes don't deploy normally, so you must tape this pillow to the steering wheel, and keep it there at all times!"
Post by: shank69xo on March 17, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Mar 17 2005, 08:55 PM)
Just thank god M$ doesn't make cars. I can see it now:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 12:55:00 AM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: pimpmaul69 on March 18, 2005, 02:22:00 AM
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Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 12:55:00 AM
Post by: pimpmaul69 on March 18, 2005, 02:22:00 AM
QUOTE(gordita37 @ Mar 18 2005, 08:01 AM)
How are you supposed to take out ths PSU *I think thats what its called* because I looked at it, and looked liked it was.. well dont really know, I didnt see any screws or anything
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
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maybe I wasnt looking for screws.. I dont remember it was late when I opened her up, what kind of screw driver does it need?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Alcott on March 18, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
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Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 18, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
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http://www.xbox-scen...FuEPfcZdkPo.php
It's only a matter of time now before someone get seriously hurt.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: xbx_gamin on March 18, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
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THE KID BETTER BE GETTING A FREE XENON !!!!
WELL, IF IT WAS ME I WOULD DEMAND ONE!!!!!!!!!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: shank69xo on March 18, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
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Hell they probably made him pay to ship them the broken console. Greedy suckers.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Sauron-Jin on March 18, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
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A mi esto me parece un pedazo de fake... no petaban sin el cable de remplazo, y ahora van y petan con él. dejaros de historias
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Sauron-Jin on March 18, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
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Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Alcott on March 18, 2005, 12:46:00 PM
QUOTE(xfool2004 @ Mar 16 2005, 05:50 PM)
Post by: gordita37 on March 18, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 18, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
It's only a matter of time now before someone get seriously hurt.
Post by: xbx_gamin on March 18, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
THE KID BETTER BE GETTING A FREE XENON !!!!
WELL, IF IT WAS ME I WOULD DEMAND ONE!!!!!!!!!
Post by: shank69xo on March 18, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Sauron-Jin on March 18, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: Sauron-Jin on March 18, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Alcott @ Mar 18 2005, 07:52 PM)
I would like to know this as well. I have a 1.0 xbox, which was recently replaced with a 1.6 mobo. It has a SmartXX Chip and i'm using the power cord it came with.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: djmattyb on March 18, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
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What happend to the kid in the Swedish news article is almost what happened to me. I have a 1.1 XBOX and when I plugged in the new power cord there were a few orange sparks that came out of the place where you plug the power cord in. I was about to watch a DVD. After the box had been on for about 30 seconds and I had just got the DVD started, the box shut off. I opened the top cover and everything was really hot inside! I plugged in the old power cord and booted up Avalaunch and looked at the temp... within the next minute, the temp dropped about 20-30 degrees. The new powercord almost fried my XBOX!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: 1nick9 on March 18, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 18, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
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It's only a matter if time before more people realize that the replacement cord is doing nothing to prevent them from being burned/shocked
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: stingray2772 on March 18, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
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ok, i have a question, i have a new 1.6 xbox, well not 1.6b... anyways, i have a new power cord using from my old box, i have the big clunky one, will it hurt my xbox or can it cause any damage?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 18, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
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Common sense says that it should work, but one user reported that it made his console overheat.
So, i'd stay with the normal power cord.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: stingray2772 on March 18, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
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cool, thanks man...
it would be cool if ms would end up saying you could trade in your system for half price or whatever for the new xbox... but they'll end up doing nothing about it
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on March 19, 2005, 04:59:00 AM
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This shits gone on long enough with those new stories. Its bad publicity for xbox and ms and its only a matter of time before its not an injury but a fatality.
-BxN
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: TownJew on March 19, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
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Idk if MS is taking in statistics or anything about this quote unquote "1 in 10,000 catch fire" but if they are does anyone have a link to the place to report this. My foxlink sparked and smoked and almost caught fire when i brought it over to my friends house. I shut it off and turned it back on and got sparks. I opened the box up and noticed the two solder points on the PSU were severely damaged. I resoldered the points and the PSU has worked fine ever since. I also resoldered my friends PSU when he had the same problem.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 19, 2005, 01:11:00 PM
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well, that 1 in 10000 thing is probably only the ppl that called and reported that their console did this. For a lot of us modders, something like this happens, and we fix it, not bothering to contact ms or anybody.
That's how I got into xbox modding a year ago, my xbox's harddrive crapped out and the only way to fix it (since I didnt have the eeprom) was to install a modchip.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: IAmCanadian on March 19, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
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My friends xbox, a long time ago, about a month after he got it did something odd. We decided to play over at my house one weekend, after getting everything ready, it wouldnt boot on, we couldn't figure anything out! No sparks, no nothing!
I decided to lift the xbox up, I then caught the smell of burning plastic, a hole right through the xbox! I looked into the xbox, I saw 2 solder points, both burnt and black.
These powercords do nothing!
M$ Should fix the real deal, it might even cost less then the money they may need to pay when they get sued because of some little 5 year old kid going blind after playing around.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on March 19, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
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AGREED...... somebody should really do something about this problem.......i am pretty sure MS knows about this.............but they just dont want to confess and accept all the law suits from practicly every person that owns a xbox.............
spelling correction.........sorry
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 20, 2005, 04:20:00 AM
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http://www.xbox-scen...ullJZVKcYLs.php
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: GomerPyle on March 20, 2005, 05:28:00 AM
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P.S. I opened it up and it was a Delta that burned on the bottom second solder point same as where you guys are saying foxlink are bad I think its both, damn my carpet and xbox was on fire omg.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: bigga on March 20, 2005, 05:50:00 AM
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I have had big problems recently with my v1.2 PAL (Translucent Green) with Foxlink PSU. Went to plug it in a little while ago, and instead of the usual small crackling noise, there was a big flash behind the machine. I took the PSU out shortly after, and realised that around one of the pins, half of the solder had blown off.
I fixed it, but then I got one of the Standard cables through for it
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: r50la on March 20, 2005, 05:53:00 AM
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I had to repair the solder on the powersupply also! It was a 1.0 board w/ shart tsop. It wasn't that hard but the common lil gamer kid would not be able to do such a daunting task... I hope nobody's house burns down because of a faulty xbox power supply.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: mksoftware on March 20, 2005, 06:04:00 AM
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For me, the only thing to worry about is to replace my GPU fan, because it is old and making lots of noise
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Kaiser Zero on March 20, 2005, 06:06:00 AM
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I, too, am a victim of the faulty power supply. I have a version 1.0 Xbox that originally had a Foxlink power supply unit.
However, last year, I noticed a burnt plastic smell and traced it to my Xbox. I quickly removed the power cable and disassembled it. One of the solder joints had completely exploded, leaving only a hole with charred edges around it. It took me a while to notice this at first, though, since it was on the underside of the PSU. So I plugged it back in and turned it on, unaware of the problem. Most people say that the Xbox will only spark, but mine had a visible flame inside of the Xbox.
However, since I hadn't heard many reports of this, I figured it was a rare and unique problem. And since my warranty was void from opening the console, I simply bought another PSU from eBay. (Coincidentally, this PSU blew in less than an hour. I'm not sure if this was an effect of the first faulty PSU.) So after that, I borrowed a friend's Xbox until I had enough money to buy a new PSU. And now that I have that, it works fine.
I may have thrown my old PSU out, so I don't think I can take pictures. But if I do manage to find it, I will try to upload.
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Post by: pickie on March 20, 2005, 06:54:00 AM
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so fingers crossed it stays like that and my house dont burn down
love xbox scene and the forum, keep up the good work
cheers
pickie
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: chilin_dude on March 20, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
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So wait a second, if when I put my power cord into my xbox a few sparks fly thats not right is it?
Because this has always happened to me when I insert it and I always thought it was a one off, there not big sparks just little white ones that hurt a little upon touching the skin... This means I have the faulty foxlink PSU I take it?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: mikejf on March 20, 2005, 07:40:00 AM
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People using a backup-UPS on the xbox with the new GFI type cord might have problems.
I've had the power go out, but my TV and Xbox are on a UPS so no worries for a few minutes while the UPS batt holds out....
Not so with the new GFI cord.
The dumb thing popped off after like 30 seconds running on the UPS backup.
Sort of defeats the purpose of using a UPS on the xbox now...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: jimk72 on March 20, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
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I might get alot of flames, but I think this is not MS problem. A 1.0 and 1.2 xbox puts it at what over 3 years old? Mine is a day one 1.0 and never had any problems, looked and joints are fine. In my spare time I have had many xbox owners bring me there xbox to fix and found everything from trashed HD to busted av port on back and found %98 of to be the owners fault. The one kid said he got pissed at a game and threw is xbox and now it only works some times. The HD was bad and the power cord connection was half ripped out from throwing it wile it was plugged in!
Im not saying all cases are like this, but any hardware that has a plug like that and is abused(unpluged and repluged many times a month) is going to go bad. Im an electrician and before that I was an electronics tech in the army, I Don't see this as MS fault. I feel they did more than they had to by sending out a proper safety cord. The GFI cord will prevent any problems that may occur and disconnect the power in Milliseconds! yes Milliseconds, thats how fast a GFI works!
That is my .02
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: shank69xo on March 20, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
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Thats fine and dandy, but thats not what is going on here. I personally have fixed countless Foxlink PS's because of this. Although I will say this. It seems, well in my cases anyways, that it is more apt to happen to customers who move their XBOX, unplugging and replugging it back in alot.
MS needs to address this issue qith another solution besides replacing cords. :grr:
On a side note 400 :lol: :jester:
This post has been edited by shank69xo: Mar 20 2005, 05:18 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: TheMuffinMan on March 20, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
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Saw HD's news post thought I'd reply
I've got 2 consoles that are affected, both 1.0, both with Foxlink, and both with cracked solder jobs, my first launch xbox, had both prongs broken (just like everyone else's) causing it to be incredibly wobbly when plugged in and spark occassionally, the 2nd I received from a friend recently because it was broken, crack it open to find it's got the same problem, just on one prong though, fixed both, and figured I'd take a look at my other boxes - "just in case" type of thing. Well 2 other of my consoles have Foxlinks, but their power prongs/encasing is different, not only is it attached via the solder joints and prongs, but the plastic boot was extended on both sides of the connection and riveted down to the power supply. In my opinion then, Foxlink themselves knew it was a bad design right after 1.0 and 1.1's and changed it, but I sure didn't get a letter then :huh:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: COTA-GodlyOne on March 20, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
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This is the weird thing, your ALL having the problem with the foxlink psu right? well i had the same fuckin problem with my delta! maybe they just had really bad development in that time period =/ that psu ended up dieing, i guess i didnt fix it fast enough, i just kept fuckin around with the cord to make it work , lol.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: shenlong77 on March 20, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
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Yes I had that PSU problem like a couple of weeks ago with my v1.0 (i think it was one week before the recall :( )
My xbox suddenly turned off and smelled like burnt plastic.
I immediately disconnected it and opened it up.
looked around and the solder points of the power cord connector where busted and that where it arked between the solder and the metal connector.
Easy fix but a hell of a scare.
And yes I think that if you unplug and replug your xbox a lot( kind of what I do moving it around a lot) then your definetly more succeptible to this failure.
the problem isn't the solder points, it's the fact that the connecter is not fixed to the psu by any other means. the only thing holding it in place are the solder points. anyone knows that solder isn't the best glue around and if your consistently applying force to the connector it will eventually break the solder connection causing a fire hazard.
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Post by: Chancer on March 20, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
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Thats fine and I am glad yours is ok but even if it were only a few boxes this is a potential safety and fire hazard and I think Ms is under obligation to correct this correctly by making the Xbox safe not just chucking an RCD protection device at everyone. The wording they have used in the press is very convenient when they describe at is a Power cord problem , which its clearly not. I have checked all 3 of my V1 and they are ok but if they were not the pics would be up here to build the case in point.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: C89ZX7R on March 20, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
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sent MS a email and then replied to send a email to the xbox team lol of course they haven't replied yet . sent both the following email and no replies . it was sent out last month .
I see that MS is now sending out replacement cords for the xbox power supply problem . Which it is not the cord and it is the Foxlink power supply solder joints where the connector is soldered onto the board is weak . Meaning when the solder breaks which it will , it could cause sparks , fire , and no power to the PSU . Sending out a cord with a built in surge protector is not going to solve this problem , and why did MS wait so long to fix a defect with there product . It took MS what 2 to 3 years to fix this problem when they stopped installing foxlink and moved to a delta power supply . After the changed was made the problem was fixed 2 to 3 years later . But now your offering a replacement cord for the people who still own the older systems , which won't solve the problem . What happens to the people who bought the xbox before october 2003 that had the power supply problem , there was no recall until now but for something that only prevents fire and sparks but doesn't totaly fix the problem . I bought a xbox when it first came out and about a year later it had the same problem , no recall was issued . MS quoted on the phone that I would have to pay for shipping , parts and labor which was more than the xbox is worth now . I thought that there would be a recall on it so I hung onto it , but of course there wasn't one . So i got rid of it last summer . I know own 2 xboxs , which i'm still down one xbox . I have 3 gaming rooms in my house and of course one is not being used . This problem needs to be resolved soon !
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: manu_xl on March 20, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
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who will bring this subject in court.
xbox-scene vs m$!! it will be more interesting to follow then the wacko jacko case.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Jackco on March 20, 2005, 10:39:00 AM
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everywhere in europe is the same except for UK
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
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My PSU had this problem a very long time ago and until now I thought it was normal malfunction. The strange thing is, just like COTA-GodlyOne, My burnt psu is a delta and my xbox was later than 1.2. Im pretty sure it's the same problem because it matches word for word with everyone's description of the symptoms. Also I did unplug and plug in my xbox frequently when traveling between houses.
At the time I posted my problem a while ago, everyone was clueless but now that I have read that it can be soldered and used again, I sure am glad I saved it.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: dbzfanhater on March 20, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
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THe new cabels without The Ground Fault detectors have a different shaped head preventing people from forcing the plug to far in no matter how much solder u place over the conectiopns the contact area on the board will be the same if you wish to protect your xbox plug the cord in slowly and stop when it hits the back and do not push your xbox back against things wich might force the cord in further and i fyou want ultimate pertection remove the power conecter from its current postition on the board and use high gauge wires an place the conecter else where that way if you push to hard there will be no probs
ignore any spelling problems and ignorance blame it on my ADD :ph34r:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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dbzfanhater, that makes a lot of sense. Now I understand why some people are getting "the same" cord. MS still should be replacing PSUs though because of the people whos PSUs have already fried and dont have the know-how to fix it themselves.
What is weird though is that 1.0-1.2 gets a GFI thing on their cord while the later models only get a new cord. So by giving us a new reshaped cord they are indicating that they know the problem can occur in later xboxes (such as mine and COTA's) yet we don't get a GFI thing on our cord. Why????????
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: manu_xl on March 20, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
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one word: bullshit
read this topic again. a bulky one for the 1.0/1.1 and regular cables for the rest.
dude, already 4 posts. but now its time to stfu!
This post has been edited by manu_xl: Mar 20 2005, 07:28 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: evilmousse on March 20, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
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maybe about a year ago, i had brought my chipped 1.0 down to the local coffeeshop to play some soulcalibur2. i plugged the cord into the back of the xbox, and as soon as i put the plug end into the wall, a decent electric-sounding POP came from my xbox, along with some bad-smelling, but not quite black smoke. she was fried. i brought it over to a friend's with a soldering iron, we opened her up, looked her over, and we found where the explosion happened, on the power supply. now, i'm not a hardware person myself, but with nothing to lose at this point, was fine with trying whatever. the solution looked pretty obvious. we saw a nickel-sized spot of solder, a nickel-sized smoldering hole, and another nickel-sized spot of solder, all in a row. so, we filled up the smoldering hole with solder to match the others, booted her up, and she's been running fine ever since.
who knows if this applies or is common, it's just what happened to me. sorry no pix, too long ago.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
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Anyone want to put out a REAL estimate of how often this occurs? It sure as hell isnt 1 in 10,000.
If I had to guess at this point, it seems like maybe 1 in 500.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Fargelsnot on March 20, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
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I have a first release 1.0 XBox here in the US. It too has a Delta power supply, but they did send me one of those crazy looking replacement cords with the AFI on it.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: zobetron on March 20, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
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I have a 1.0 box and I had to re-solder it after the unit stopped working (sparking, smoke). This was about 2 weeks before MS announced the cord replacement. It works fine now, didn't bother getting the replacement cord.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: sith on March 20, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
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Havent read this thread, but just going to leave my input because a couple of weeks ago, my xbox sparked, smelled like burnt plastic and stopped powering on.. basically i had soldered the underside pads and they held fine, it was the metal on the top of the board sparking with the first orange circular fuse caused a small fire, unsoldered the bottoms and blew the fuse, i fixed it using the tut on the main page for adding an inline fuse, after this i recieved my replacement cord, so i can't say weither or not that would have helped. anyway i took a couple of pics, none after i fixed it..sorry for the shitty photography.
.sith.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: RiceCake on March 20, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
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`Have a v1.1 console and a v1.4 console, so I got my hands on both the regular issue bulky ass fault interrupt cord (In a box that was shipped from some Omnipack company here in Canada) and their excuse for a special cord (shipped from the states in a paper envelope).
The 1.4 isn't mine though so I can't really break it open for pictures. My v1.1 though makes alot of light crackling, new power cord or not. This console doesn't even go through alot of heavy use (I've unplugged the power cord in the rear maybe two or three times in its lifespan).
Might not be serious but in certain situations it could cause a serious fire, or if you were using a fumigation bomb or something it could cause an explosion (Unlikely, but eh, whatever).
This post has been edited by RiceCake: Mar 20 2005, 08:55 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: TMG8 on March 20, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
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Wow this is more serious than i thought thank god for XS I opened my xbox 1.0v up and found my solder points to be cracked brown and burnt. not to mention the spot welding like marks in the shortout protection plastic.... i have yet to check any other xboxs but im sure it has happend on manny more than 1 in 10,000..
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: smokeingit on March 20, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
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i didnt know it was this big issue, as of a year and a half ago i was fixing this power supply issue. what i did was stick metal robs from one point to another... simply solder even the heavy stuff wont fix it... you have to use thick lead to make it hold. i have done about 20 power supply fix's but i always thought it was because the people liked to disconnect and reconnect the power supply.
~Smokey
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Charbless on March 20, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
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I have foxlink power supplys in 1.2/1.3 and two 1.4 are they at risk?
I was sent normal small cable not big bulky one also it sounds like lot of people here arnt using common sence why are they plugging the lead at back of xb in when the powers running through it you should plug that end in first before you plug the wall socket end in.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: majik655 on March 20, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
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in reply to the news topic on main page..
I have had 3 power supplies fail due to faulty soldering from factory all foxlink and not all MINE just 3 that have passed by me to fix..
I am not sure it is right to say faulty soldering as it looks like the pushing of the power plug INTO the power supply seems to move the "poles" leading to the solder joints... they just seem to move way too much...causing a hollow solder joint to be created.
Refilling the joint will fix it... however I am just not sure HOW LONG it will last.. So far it has lasted for months.. but is it because of better soldering job.. or because the user stops unplugging and plugging in their xbox as much?
Either way.. they have lasted longer than the user had it before it burnt up.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: JaXbox on March 20, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
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Yeah - exactly.. :ph34r:
I can get a crackling/sparking noise from both my v1.0 box AND my v1.6 box, when plugging a "live" power-cord into the back of the boxes.
I'm not saying that M$ didn't make a huge mistake here (after all, they should have secured this weakness before releasing it), I'm just saying: perhaps ppl should be a little more carefull, given the fact that M$ apparently did a lousy job on the PSUs.
edit: how do you spell typo :rolleyes:
This post has been edited by JaXbox: Mar 20 2005, 11:10 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: fahrenheit on March 20, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
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Don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but I got a universal replacement powersupply (third-party) from ebay, to go into my Jap v1.0.
I plugged in the replacement cord with the GFI and powered it up, but after about one second, the GFI tripped and shut the console off. I disconnected the power connector to the hard drive and powered up fine. I plugged the hard drive back in, but the GFI tripped again. So I got the original cord without the GFI and it has been running fine now for a little over an hour.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: FSM on March 20, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
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So, I was reading about all those poor people who have been having problems with their power supplies, thinking 'gee, I'm sure glad I am not one of those poor souls', THEN, I recieved my new power cords for both my v1.0 and v1.1 xbox's.
Mind you, these have not had ANY problems... So... I am playing Halo 2 in my house, and I'm on my 1.0 'box with a mad, mad game going. I figured, Hey, I'm using these new cords, although they fit a little tighter, they had an extra 2 inches length on the old cords, and the damn hair-dryer wallwort happened to fit perfectly in the entertainement centre's, so anyway...
Doing some mad gaming, and I'm on the 1.0... All of the sudden I'm hearing this clicking... and smelling this HORRIFIC PCB fired heat-sink compound burning sensation in my nose... That poor 1.0 xbox shut off... and that damn Xbox wallwort started clicking, and flashing red/green... Like I had a bad HD in my box 'christmas tree light' style flashing...
Needless to say, this box had been run hard from day one, never unplugged or moved, and now I am *NOT* happy... I have a VERY BAD xbox, the Power Supply connector to AC decided to desolder half of itself for no freekin' reason...!
MS... I am a certified MS tech, AS WELL am a Very PAYING Certified Gold Partner...
DO SOMETHING FOR US.
-FSM
a.k.a. C.J. Smith
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: snake3k1 on March 20, 2005, 04:06:00 PM
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So, if we have a foxlink PSU, then we should solder together these two points??
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/g0t_m4xx_21/foxlink-edited.jpg)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Potenza on March 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: luther349 on March 20, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
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i have a xbox now with the orignal cord i did hear sparking when i pluged it in to the xbox itself for a year now but i never had a problem with the system. now with the new powercord i dont hear any kind of arking when i plug it into the system. so i guess in my case it was the powercord at fault. however from the pics i have seen thers also some faulty powersupplys witch should be addressed as well. and being my xbox is such a rare system i would be pissed if it burned couse its a 1.0 with a 10gb stock drive and a sammy 605t dvd rom you knoe the one that reads cdr and last alot longer then the crap topsion drives.
its a shame m$ is trying to cover up a real problem with these older systems. thay say thers a 1 in 10,000 chance of a fire well with abought 5 to 6 million xboxs out there most of them are older systems thers going to be a real problem in a short amount of time. so juging buy trhe amount of cases reported by the number of xboxes out there in the wiled the number is mutch higher then 1 in 10,000 probly more along the lines of 1 in 1,000.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: RiceCake on March 20, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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1 in 1,000...I'd say its more like 1 in 10. Most PSU's have cracks but won't spark. Its a time bomb kinda situation. Eventually it'll probably die out.
Lol, if for some reason I'm around the MS building or campus I think I'll tape an original power cord to a bucket of water, and put a big sign "If bad fire, pour on Xbox, continue playing".
This post has been edited by RiceCake: Mar 21 2005, 02:50 AM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: snake3k1 on March 20, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
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i'm glad i waited for a response before i did anything
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: clif on March 20, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
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heh still looks like foxlink still sells those psu's, heh should e-mail and ask them for a replacement. :)
Foxlink PSU
its the 3rd one down.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: clif on March 20, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
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ops that goes to there main page, here is the direct link to it, well not direct but as close as you can get.
Foxlink PSU
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: DarkMatter on March 20, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
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I personally have seen the same problems of fualty joints on other X-Box PSU's other than the "FoxLink" brand. I have found them also in the "Delta Electronics Inc" types as well.
I recommend anyone that with the offending V1.0 and V1.1 PSU's that you use what they call in the trade, a clinch type joint, rather than just resoldering it.
Clinch types of joints have found to be more reliable than normal vertical type joints and are less likely to fail.
The main reason for failure of the active and neutral pins on these power supplies, or any other form of high current area electronics, is due to the solder being heated and cooled by normal operation. The pressure of the power cord against the the AC input socket also doesn't help.
When the X-Box is in standby mode, very little current is being used, therefore the temperature of the solder joints is relatively cool. But when the X-Box is turned on, higher currents are being drawn, therefore the temperature rises on those joints, and also on other high current joints, not only those two offending pins.
This heating and cooling of the joints over the years will cause the the joints to become crystalised and eventually crack. The pressure of the power cord on AC input socket is what helps the cracking proceedure to acceletrate. It will then eventually crack all the way around the pin, thus making it contact intermittently.
Many people will try jiggling the power cord and may get it to work for a while. But unbeknownst to them, they are actually making things worse. i.e. They are widening the crack/s as well as generating voltage spikes.
These cracks now introduce new problems for the X-Box PSU. Due to this intermittent contact, voltage spikes are being generated. Thus, the more a person jiggles the power cord, the worse the voltage spikes become.
Thankfully Micro$oft had the insight of introducing a varistor into the primary side of the PSU to allow for voltage spikes and surges, but this was not enough in most cases, and it often led to the destruction of the varistor (in many cases causing it to flame out), as well as taking the mains fuse with it. The varistor can only handle so much, thus will eventually fail if the faulty solder joint isn't rectified.
All this is definately a fault with the PSU's and NOT with the power cords, as Micro$oft tend to claim. The only advantage with the power cords with the surge protection included, is if the house mains cops a surge, it will trip, but it WON'T protect the power supply from the spikes generated due to intermittent contacts on the power socket pins. It may trip the surge protector, but eventually the person who owns the machine will have to have it fixed at his own expense, if he starts getting sick of having to reset the damn thing all the time.
I've included three pictures of how and what should be done to repair the pins on these sockets.
The first picture shows the pins devoid of any solder.
The second shows how to bend the tabs of the socket pins to create a clinch joint. It also recommends that the two AC input socket support pins should also be soldered. The reason for this is to add more support to the whole assembly. Thus taking some strain off the AC pins themselves.
The third picture shows the finished results.
Micro$oft should be resonsible for this problem and should be covering this under warranty, regardless of how old the machine is. This is a manufacturing stuff-up and no type of power cord is going to magically fix this problem.
I've been in the TV/Video repair business for more than 25 years and I've come across many a faulty joint due to pressure, weight, heat etc. But I've never come across a company that blatantly denies that the real problem is their's alone. The onus is definately on Micro$oft, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they end up with a class action suit against them in the future for this very reason.
I thought I'd put my two cents worth into this discussion.
I hope it helps.
Regards,
DarkMatter
Picture#1
Picture#2
Picture#3
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: DuceGT on March 20, 2005, 08:31:00 PM
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Im just posting to add that recently another i've seen a second foxlink ps fry. My friend said simply, "the cord might have been loose, thats it."
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
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Its good to see that this thread's still very much alive.
Anyways, the real reason why only the 1.0/1.1 consoles get the Afi:
Although the psu manufacturers (delta, foxlink) revised the PSU in the 1.2-1.5 versions (foxlink added the support rivets), they still would some times break loose (I didn't mention mineba, for the best of my knowledge they never made a 1.2-1.5 PSU, and has anybody had one of those spark?).
The fact in itself that Foxlink added the rivets in the later revisions of the board indicates that they knew that there was a design problem with their PSU, so M$ cant deny any defects with the boards.
the failure rate of the 1.2-1.5 psu's is far less than the 1.0-1.1, so it was good enough to just supply a cord that cannot be pushed in too far.
however, since the failure rate of the 1.0-1.1 psu's (yes, the delta ones sometimes break too, but the foxlink breaks most often because the connector has no support) is much more common, M$ supplies the AFI.
Although the number of consoles cathcing fire is rare (1 in 1000 maybe), I'd say that at least 60% of the 1.0-1.1 foxlink PSU's have broken solder joints, and pop, spark, smoke, cut off, etc. (and maybe like 2% of the deltas) Every single one of the fox's ive seen was broken, and many other ppl on here have said the same.
Just a refresher for ppl too lazy to read 30 pages
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
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What's even more odd is that some ppl have claimed that the replacement AFI cord has made the problem worse! take that, M$, your little wallwort is only feeding the fire (pun intended)
The sweedish kid getting sparks in his face, other various xboxes that fried even with the new cord, and ppl simply getting mad for their xbox shutting off every 10 mins (mine will jsut randomly shut off, and the solder joints on my Mineba 1.0 psu are fine!) will make ppl not want to buy xbox 2 (I dont want a crap product, Ive had 3 xboxes fail on me, 1. dvd drive 2. hard drive 3. psu. I fixed them, but they still shouldn't have broken in the first place. Oddly, all 3 of these failed xboxes were 1.0. My 1.4 works great)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 10:19:00 PM
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Hmm, my petition is currently number 7 in the top ten most active petitions today. Keep up the good work guys. This board has over 200,000 members, if everyone signs it this will be bad news for MS
We really need to do more than just complain in this thread and sign petitions though, its time for some legal action
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: yourM0M on March 20, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
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does it matter to the fact that most of everyone that has reported problems and want to join a class action suit or wut not have opened their xbox's? that doesnt void and type of warranty or replacement? i mean i understand the problem is hardware and m$ is trying to cover it up but the thompson dvd-rom's are garbage in the 1.0-1.1's also and the mcpx's fry in box's all the time.....same with playstations....their dvd-rom's are crap thats why they make new version consoles to fix their cheap hardware....well anyways im just wondering if we are going to get any where since we've all pretty much opened our xbox's
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: metazman on March 21, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
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as a person that works with electronics all the time i have to agree with xman on desoldering and wraping (winding wire as radio shack calls it) then resoldering it this will not only fix it but will add strenth to help prevent breakage later on
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: tharien on March 21, 2005, 04:45:00 AM
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I have a delta PSU and a 1.0 Xbox. After reading all this and getting the new power cord i got abit jittery. So i started to dig and came across a perfectly health PSU. Taken back a little because of the amount of plugging and unplugging i do its pretty sturdy with no wiggle at all. I think its due to the appoxy thats around the female base.
Even the underside looks nice. I bought this unit brand new when they first released the Sega GT/JSFR bundle and its still going strong.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: ti85man on March 21, 2005, 08:10:00 AM
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Just to add, I've experienced this problem myself.
I, at one point, was purchasing broken xboxes off of ebay and would fix and sell them here on the boards. I had gotten a broken 1.0 one time and when i recieved it, to my suprise it booted and worked just fine.
This confused me as the auction said it wouldn't power on. Upon further inspection of the box, i found that wiggling the power cord was a very bad idea. The power supply would make a crackling noise and the xbox would power off and things of that nature.
I opened the case to find the power cable connector ready to fall off the power supply board. It was completely disconnected and when i removed the power supply the connector fell off the board completely.
I cleaned up the solder area and resoldered the connector down and then also applied a good amount of hot glue to help hold the connector in place for future use. This fixed the power supply and made the connector rock solid.
When i heard of this recall, the first thing I thought of was the power supply connector being the problem, and I thought the cord replacement was bunk after reading the recall. Sure enough people are still having problems. This whole thing is just a way for MS not to front the money to fix it all. They need to address the real problem of these power supplys failing and causing harm/injury/property damage.
I urge all people on here with an early xbox with soldering ability to open and check your xbox power supply for problems and fix it before you cause more problems that you want to deal with.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: fnhoser on March 21, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
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yeah, i got a 1.0 xbox with the delta psu, i thought i would be okay, cause before all the signs pointed to foxlink as the culpret. unfortunatly, when i went home to my xbox (same day my replacement cord came, ironically enough) i noticed my xbox crackling and the like. i then opened the replacement cord (i got one of the clunky ones) and it still sparked. then i noticed that i could move around the psu quite a lot just by moving the power cord. so i opened my box up, and took out the psu, and noticed that there were two little burning marks on the bottom. i soldered them, and, to my surprise, no more sparking. not satistfied enough, i put a screw through the psu to keep it from moving. i guess my problem was that since i go to my friends house a lot with my box, perhaps just unplugging and plugging it in more on the violent side caused the psu to come loose.
thats just my two cents on the issue.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Havok on March 21, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
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Just to add my experience.. same thing as everyone else connector on the power supplies wiggles, sparks and smokes on 3 different v1.0 xbox that i've fixed. I resoldered those joints 2 years ago. (of course when my xbox was out of warranty!)
As far as a class action suit.. nothing will happen.
This will be the result of a class action:
MS will be sentanced to give all users $10 off coupon for Xbox 360 (Next) or some other MS product.
You are still buying their product so they still win.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: networkBoy on March 21, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
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Posting my data per request:
Of countless boxes repaired 10 have been revived only by re-soldering the PSU, with FoxLink supplies being the main offenders.
Also on jobs where I have the entire unit I've started checking PSUs without strain relief as a standard practice, most have looked questionable, all were re-flowed.
Should anyone not want to solder their PSU for some reason, I will do it for free (except shipping)
-nB
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: cRACKmONKEY421 on March 21, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
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I have a refurbished 1.0 with a foxlink... I've had it for years now. No solder cracks... Solder actually looked perfect. I probably average 3 unplug & plug-ins a month... which is probably not excessive, but I haven't been trying to be careful with it. I resoldered it anyway with some %96 Tin 4% Silver solder. I'm still not quite sure what causes this problem. People say "shotty soldering" but in my case the soldering job looked fine... so what makes for a "shotty soldering" job? In this case is it moslty due to bad soldering or bad solder?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: GhostDog__ on March 21, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
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I was wondering the same thing. I'll take it one step further. What about the fact that most of these people have a modchip in their Xbox (myself included) which voids the warranty? I know some use soft mods. I could be wrong. MS is not going to replace the PSU's in modded Xbox's.
This post has been edited by GhostDog__: Mar 22 2005, 04:03 AM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 21, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
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Not necessarily bad soldering, but a lack of reinforcement of the power connector, which transmits too much force the the solder joint, and cracks it.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: TheMuffinMan on March 21, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
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to Crackmonkey
1) You have a refurbished XBOX 1.0, not the same as having a 1.0, they could have changed the psu and other parts, if it's really a refurb like you say, that means MS played with it
2) 3 times a month? That's like nothing at all, I take mine to LAN's and friend's houses and move it around which is probably at least 20 times unplug/plug, you can't say much with only 3 haha
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: broadd on March 22, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
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Maybe this has been said already, but the instruction manual that came with my replacement cord in Australia says something along the lines of "The console is designed to prevent any electrical fire from spreading outside the console, and the new cord is designed to cut the current should an electrical fault develop inside the console."
The cord is a monster! Two huge long powercables, and a huge fuse box in the middle.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: bloodshot_17 on March 22, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
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Well I checked my powersupply cause I knew for a while now it seemed loose when plugging and unplugging the box.
I don't think the problem is the solder...
The new plugs are different, the new plug has a lip on it which prevents you from pushing the plug in further than it is supposed to go.
With out this people are pushing it in too hard and this is what is breaking the solder joint.
I used hot glue and secured the plastic piece to the powersupply board and it is now nice and tight again.
This will most likely fix everyone's problem but just make sure there is not a broken connection already.
Anyway...just my advice and what I have come to with all the data posted here.
Thanks for all the posts and research.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Neptune on March 22, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
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After reading the article about the kid's xbox blowing a circuit in his house and sparks flying all over the place I thought I should throw in my 2 cents.
I do repairs on xbox's all the time, and one of the issues is the power supplies blowing out, and I mean blowing out beyond fuse replacements. I believe the reason for the power cord replacements was to solve THAT issue.
The rest of the repairs are the power connector's on the PSU being loose with no solder making contact. I literally opened one and the connector fell on the floor, even had a friend send me one and when you plugged it in, it literally shot sparks into the air over 6 inch's I was literally scared to work on the unit. Re-heated the solder on the joints, added a bit more solder and used braid, worked like a charm.
In short, M$ get your act together, you can afford to fork out $20 per unit.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: theunbeatable on March 22, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
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Well after reading the 31 parts of the discussion..... It seems like the Mineba Power Supply doesnt suffer from meltdown :blink: . No one has reported it as of yet, so i guess those people are safe!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
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yeah, I have a mineba ive been screwing around with, it seems to be fine. The cord is loose in the socket, but no popping or sparking, and no broken joints. like most things that are good quality, the Mineba supply appears to be the most expensive (it has like a million capacitors on it!), and therefore it never showed up on the 1.2-1.6 boxes.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: madsci1016 on March 22, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
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Wow i thought this only affected older models. A day ago a friend of a friend came to me with a fried xbox and he reported sparks. I opened it up and sure enough one of the solder points on the plug connection was blown away. But his xbox was a 1.3 or 1.4 only a year old with the newer style power supply connector. I would have taken pictures but he was in a hurry.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 09:16:00 PM
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Yes, it does also affect the 1.2-1.5 consoles, but not nearly as much as the 1.0-1.1's with foxlink supplies (once again 1.0-1.1's with deltas spark too, but not as much). i have heard no reports of the 1.0-1.1 mineba supply having any of these problems, or of any 1.6 consoles with this problem.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
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Rare cases my ass. Look at all the people JUST ON XBOX-SCENE that have had these broken joints. Now consider the percentage of ppl on X-S vs. the total number of xbox owners, and you can see that there are easily tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of xbox psu's with broken power connectors.
Ordinary wear and tear? Its clearly a bad design. Why is it mostly Foxlink supplies that are broken? Answer: lack of support of the power connector. Bad design, should be replaced.
Not a safety issue? It is most definitely a safety issue! What the hell do you think is sparking in there? Many of us that have had Xboxes CATCH ON FIRE have opened the consoles, and discovered that the area around the power connector was the source of the fire, and it was because of the broken solder joints. How can a console catching of fire not be a safety issue? People are getting burned, and property is damaged. Sooner or later somebody's house is going to get burned down, or worse, somebody may DIE. How is this not a safety issue?
Shit like this just makes me so mad
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Mar 23 2005, 06:10 AM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 23, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
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Update! My own damn Foxlink power supply just burnt up on me. You know, the one I repaired in my first post (pics are currently down due to using up my bandwidth). Fried the same as everybody else's.
I can't post a pic directly, but here's a link.
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edit- nevermind, thoke links dont work either. Should be back up tomorrow.
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Mar 23 2005, 08:15 AM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: datad0g on March 23, 2005, 01:10:00 AM
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You sir are a fire waiting to happen!!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: terrorvis on March 23, 2005, 01:59:00 AM
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Anyone mentioned about yesterdays MS statement (if it has, i'm sorry)? MS claim that the cord replacement has nothing to do with the foxlink PSU problem.
A single report recently surfaced that inaccurately speculates that the recently announced power cord replacement for Xbox is somehow related to broken "solder joints" inside of early Xbox consoles. This report is simply not true. In rare cases, solder joints have broken. This issue is not associated with the power cord replacement program, nor is it unique to the Foxlink power supplies or even Xbox consoles.
All consumer electronics products experience some broken solder joints as a result of ordinary wear and tear. Broken solder joints inside the Xbox are a warranty issue. All Xbox consoles (even without a replacement cord) have been designed to insure that a broken solder joint does not present any safety issue.
Taken from http://www.theregist...box_no_problem/
A single report? Its all over the web!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: brian417 on March 23, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
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I have the same xbox I bought new, not refurbished. I ordered the replacement cord but after reading everything I decided that trusting m$ was foolish so I opened up my box to check the solder and it was perfect! my box sets in with the rest of my home theater components and almost never gets unplugged so I think that repeatedly unplugging and plugging it back in is what's causing the problems.
so what about the new cord? should I use it? doesn't seem to have done much good for some people.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Retroplay on March 23, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
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Just checked my Xbox (v1.1) yesterday and found out it's got a Delta PSU, the replacement cord I got was one of those huge things with the green and red buttons. :huh:
I might aswell just use the old powercord.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: JEB-101 on March 23, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
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Id still use the new one... just incase... I got delta`s and i use the big one...
:beer:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 23, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
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OK, I filled out a full report on the Foxlink PSU .and submitted it to UL (Underwriter's Laboratories, they did the safety certification on both the xbox and this power supply). If they determine that this power supply is unsafe, then MS could be forced to recall all the xboxes with this psu.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: distruct1ve on March 24, 2005, 05:10:00 AM
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ok im a noob to this and all but my xbox was manufactured in 2004-11-05...now just recently for no reason i have to push the eject buttons rapidly in order for the xbox to boot up or it just makes this noise inside the cd drive...first i thought it was just the xbox tweaking out or something but my friend gave me the new cords and also tried it with the new cord and i still had to do the same routine. just a few min ago my bro called and said that he now got the xbox to work and was telling me that it was just that the power cord was loose and he said he had to pressure it in there...and now it starts up normal...now my concern is if my xbox is now at risk at getting fried? loose power cord and not getting contact with xbox power now just got me thinking...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Barnolde on March 24, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
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This is coming back to bite MS in the ass. Good riddens I say for trying to skimp out, I mean, it's not like they're a multi-billion dollar company, oh wait they are.
I have a launch Xbox, Nov 13, 2001 is the manuf. date and I use my launch cord, after fixing my charred up PSU of course.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 24, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
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Well, this is the reply I got back from UL. These guys aren't any better than the idiots at M$.
Thank you for your inquiry to Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
We are aware of the problem that you have brought to our attention and we have been working with MS on the issue. Just recently, MS announced a voluntary recall of certain XBOX game consoles that had been noted to have a potential defect. You should go to the XBOX web site to determine if your console is one of those that are eligible for a free, replacement power cord. Go to www.xbox.com and click on the link for Power Cord Replacement. Full explanation will be given there and you can work with MS directly to resolve the problem, if it covers your game.
You mentioned that the power cord replacement has nothing to do with the problem. Actually, the power cord that MS is providing has circuitry that addresses the probelm that you have described. It is not jsut a standard power cord. The web site noted above will explain this in nore detail.
We trust that this will satisfy your concern. Thank you for writing.
Brad Rowe
Field Report Department
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: broadd on March 24, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
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From the Xbox Protection Cord Manual I got:
"Your Xbox console may be susceptible to electrical problems that can cause damage or fire inside the console. Even though the Xbox console is designed to keep fire from spreading outside the console, MS recommends that you alway use the Xbox Protection Cord with your console to further reduce this risk. The Xbox Protection Cord disconnects power to the Xbox console when it detects:
1. A problem with the electircal power supplied to the Xbox console;
2. An electrical problem with the Xbox console."
So it seems clear MS is admitting a problem with the console rather than the cord.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: distruct1ve on March 24, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
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err i meant 2001-11-05...sry about that...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: dannybeckett on March 26, 2005, 06:59:00 AM
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http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=375843
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: chilin_dude on March 29, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
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Well my xbox broke and I think it's because of the foxlink supply, but I'm not sure... Will anyone look at the following picture to tell me (warning it's 2megs - wanted to be sure you could see.)
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
here's a small version of it, but it doesn't really show the full zoom.
(IMG:http://anime-gallore.com/foxlinksmall.jpg)
This post has been edited by chilin_dude: Mar 29 2005, 05:03 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Print Screen on March 29, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
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I think this is because US electricity is 110V while here in Europe it is usually 240V so you need a higher current to deliver the same power, thus thicker cords etc as
P=VI
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: xp-power on March 29, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
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sorry im a big slow today but it has just twigged the reason u have this problem is due to the glue where the two clips are isnt strong enough but there is a tut on how to fix it
use a 800 degrees/30+ watt iron to fix it
I have just found the TUT
Here
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: chilin_dude on March 29, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
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Thanks for the post, can't I just glue them back then :huh: I didn't see anything on that page about fixing them.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: moistness on March 29, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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FOCUS DAMMIT!!!!
Anyway, doesnt look too bad to me, what probs are you actually having with it? does it turn on at all?
Have you replaced THE FUSE??? :rolleyes:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: chilin_dude on March 30, 2005, 04:31:00 AM
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Well I managed to fix it :)
Just cleaned all the points with cotton buds and alcohol carefully, then I put it back together and it worked :D
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: reZz on March 31, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
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But even if MS decided to recall all XBoxes...I don't think they'd take in any modded XBoxes.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 31, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
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read this:
http://it.asia1.com.sg/newsdaily/news001_20050328.html
A pretty nice article. I'm famous!!! :P
The guy sent me an email a few weeks ago asking me to answer some questions to him regarding the issue, its good to see that my reply was used.
I'm not getting anywhere with UL, they are convinced that the cheezy cord is a sufficient fix to the problem.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: JaXbox on April 06, 2005, 10:05:00 AM
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Bogus! I opened up my v1.0 box the other day, and guess what, both joints in the FoxLink PSU were loose (I could carefully apply pressure to the solder joints and observe them move as described by others in this thread).
How can this be a "rare electrical component failure" if so many ppl in the scene have experienced this with their PSUs ?
BTW: nice article :beer:
Edit: spelling arrows :rolleyes:
This post has been edited by JaXbox: Apr 6 2005, 05:07 PM
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Ritchzee on April 13, 2005, 05:33:00 AM
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The completely stupid thing is that the cheap bastards who designed the XBOX only had to allow for two extra screws to hold the power cord recepticle firm and none of this would have happened.
Typical of todays manufacturing standard, they would not even need their bull crap cover story of faulty power cords to cover their arses.
Do they really think people are that stupid??
My Box never gets unplugged so i wont be bothering with it, but i have had a few failed power supplies accross my work bench that had failed for oither reasons than the bad power connections.
cheers
Rich
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: MrOnline on April 13, 2005, 07:45:00 AM
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same here... so far i've fixed the solderpoint on 3 foxlink psu for 1.0's
and the shit is only sitting there in solder, nothing else holding the power connector...
did the solder and no sparks came after... also used some hot glue :beer:
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Clvsportsman on April 22, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
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Many thanks to GOT M4xx 21 his advise was sound and not to technical. The pictures posted where a great help :D
I would also like to mention XanTium His post on how to open up the XBOX and get to the parts in question where also very helpful. :D
Cheers to you both :beer:
All I have to say is Thank You!!
As a side note:
30 mins researching the web
$10 for Star wrenches to open the XBOX
$15.00 for the soldering iron
45 Minutes of repair
NOT HAVING TO LISTEN TO THE 14 YEAR OLD COMPLAIN THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO DO AND THE WIFE KISSING ME ALL OVER :luv:
PRICELESS!!....LOL
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: seriouslysilly on April 23, 2005, 06:35:00 AM
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yup, that's is priceless
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: FierceGaming on April 24, 2005, 02:36:00 PM
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My xbox version is a 1.0 and I have a delta power supply, the foxlink looks like it has cheaper solder and it seems kinda mellowed, mine looks pretty clean, however it did have one bad solder point which I fixed.
(I also ordered a power cord, will see which one I get)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Mekapo on April 24, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
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I read through parts of this thread (no time to read 33 pages!) I have a 1.1 xbox and I have gone through 2 PSUs. I have a modded and an unmodded box so i constantly switch the power cable from one to the other and i hear audible sparks a lot of the time but ignore it because im dumb. I want to know what I need to do to prevent my power supply from dying (YET AGAIN!) this 3rd time through. I have the 2nd one still, is there a possibility it is repairable? If the answer is as simple as having 2 power cables and keeping both xboxes plugged in at the same time then that would be awesome. If there is something I need to do in addition to that, then let me know! These PSU's aren't cheap (and getting more expensive by the day, now that more and more of these are failing.) Thanks in advance for the help guys. Thanks!
-Mekapo
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: minura600 on April 29, 2005, 11:13:00 PM
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i think i blew my xbox's psu's fuse but i cant find whr the fuse is. i posted pics of my psu in the links below. can someone pls help me!
pic 1
pic 2
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: ex_peludo on June 18, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
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I pluged my xbox and it made a sparking noise. I quickly unpluged it and noticed a faint burnt smell. I opened the xbox to let it cool down and logged in to the forums to see related problems. I read a similar tale and the problem was the dreaded power supply joints. I removed my power suply( a delta power supply by the way!) and found one of the points had NO solder on it!!! It was just stiking out. I took some pictures and then put some solder on it. I'm going to wait until tomorow to try it out.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on June 19, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
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in your first pic, its the little black cylinder behind and to the left of the power connector, labeled "F1" on the board.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: liam on June 19, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
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I've got a 1.3 box, and they just sent me the normal looking cord.
i havent checked to see what PSU i have, but i will check later today.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: 1212kiwi on July 04, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
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my friend had a 1.4 box, but it has a foxlink.. i fixed it
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: IRBubbaB on July 28, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
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My son has an Xbox manufactured 7-24-2002. It has a Delta psu and it burned up today. He had a replacement cord sent by MS. It began acting up with that cord, sparks flying in the back, etc., so he switched cords to the old one and it just fried.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on July 28, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
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yeah chack the main solder joints.
Also it has been confirmed that there is another source of the sparking, and yes, it is actually in the connection between power cord and PSU.
From what I've found, this issue is far less common than the solder joints actually breaking, but, sometimes, the pins pn the PSU plug don't make a very good connection with the power cord, and can spark, or at least go high resistance and get very hot.
I have heard many cases of the replacement (huge) power cord tripping very often, even when there's nothing wrong with the psu.
My guess is the cord has a very sensitive current limiter, and if the current draw is even slightly higher than it should be, it trips. So yes, lots of LED's or other goodies running off your psu will cause it to draw more current, which will not only up your electric bill , but possibly trip the replacement cord. Even on an unmodded box, it seems that the current limit is too sensitive and will trip randomly.
IMO the wall wort power cord is causing more problems than it is fixing.
If your solder joints are ok, and the old cord doesn't feel excessively loose, just run your old cord if the new one is tripping all the time.
As for the "normal" looking cord received for 1.2-1.6 boxes, use it. It does have that extra little lip on it, which will save some strain on the power connector.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: lostboyz on July 29, 2005, 07:20:00 AM
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yea my 1.0 had really bad joints on it. i could actually wiggle the power plug in the back to make my xbox turn off. i just completely resoldered them and threw in two screws where those holes are on the plug on the inside of the box. i think it would been a good idea to secure it to the board a little better. o well. im using the new plug as an extra protection from now on
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: William Gates on August 12, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
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It seems that the Foxlink power supply which is in question was manufactured by a company by the name of Cheng Uei Precision Industry Co., Ltd. The name "Foxlink" is an undoubtedly an attempt on their part to sound more American. This brings us to the question of why they would want to hide their true Asian nationality. I think its safe to say that the answer is that most Americans, or purchasers of the MS Xbox would not care to buy a product which contains a power supply that was built by penny-skimping Chinese sweatshop owners.
From the desk of,
Bill
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Chance_P on August 12, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
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in one of my xbox's i just have the power cord soldered directly to the psu
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: lostboyz on August 12, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
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Post by: djmattyb on March 18, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
Post by: 1nick9 on March 18, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
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Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 18, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: stingray2772 on March 18, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 18, 2005, 11:25:00 PM
So, i'd stay with the normal power cord.
Post by: stingray2772 on March 18, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
it would be cool if ms would end up saying you could trade in your system for half price or whatever for the new xbox... but they'll end up doing nothing about it
Post by: big_xbox_n00bie on March 19, 2005, 04:59:00 AM
-BxN
Post by: TownJew on March 19, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 19, 2005, 01:11:00 PM
That's how I got into xbox modding a year ago, my xbox's harddrive crapped out and the only way to fix it (since I didnt have the eeprom) was to install a modchip.
Post by: IAmCanadian on March 19, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
I decided to lift the xbox up, I then caught the smell of burning plastic, a hole right through the xbox! I looked into the xbox, I saw 2 solder points, both burnt and black.
These powercords do nothing!
M$ Should fix the real deal, it might even cost less then the money they may need to pay when they get sued because of some little 5 year old kid going blind after playing around.
Post by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN on March 19, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
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My friends xbox, a long time ago, about a month after he got it did something odd. We decided to play over at my house one weekend, after getting everything ready, it wouldnt boot on, we couldn't figure anything out! No sparks, no nothing!
I decided to lift the xbox up, I then caught the smell of burning plastic, a hole right through the xbox! I looked into the xbox, I saw 2 solder points, both burnt and black.
These powercords do nothing!
M$ Should fix the real deal, it might even cost less then the money they may need to pay when they get sued because of some little 5 year old kid going blind after playing around.
I decided to lift the xbox up, I then caught the smell of burning plastic, a hole right through the xbox! I looked into the xbox, I saw 2 solder points, both burnt and black.
These powercords do nothing!
M$ Should fix the real deal, it might even cost less then the money they may need to pay when they get sued because of some little 5 year old kid going blind after playing around.
AGREED...... somebody should really do something about this problem.......i am pretty sure MS knows about this.............but they just dont want to confess and accept all the law suits from practicly every person that owns a xbox.............
spelling correction.........sorry
Post by: HSDEMONZ on March 20, 2005, 04:20:00 AM
Post by: GomerPyle on March 20, 2005, 05:28:00 AM
P.S. I opened it up and it was a Delta that burned on the bottom second solder point same as where you guys are saying foxlink are bad I think its both, damn my carpet and xbox was on fire omg.
Post by: bigga on March 20, 2005, 05:50:00 AM
I fixed it, but then I got one of the Standard cables through for it
Post by: r50la on March 20, 2005, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: mksoftware on March 20, 2005, 06:04:00 AM
For me, the only thing to worry about is to replace my GPU fan, because it is old and making lots of noise
Post by: Kaiser Zero on March 20, 2005, 06:06:00 AM
However, last year, I noticed a burnt plastic smell and traced it to my Xbox. I quickly removed the power cable and disassembled it. One of the solder joints had completely exploded, leaving only a hole with charred edges around it. It took me a while to notice this at first, though, since it was on the underside of the PSU. So I plugged it back in and turned it on, unaware of the problem. Most people say that the Xbox will only spark, but mine had a visible flame inside of the Xbox.
However, since I hadn't heard many reports of this, I figured it was a rare and unique problem. And since my warranty was void from opening the console, I simply bought another PSU from eBay. (Coincidentally, this PSU blew in less than an hour. I'm not sure if this was an effect of the first faulty PSU.) So after that, I borrowed a friend's Xbox until I had enough money to buy a new PSU. And now that I have that, it works fine.
I may have thrown my old PSU out, so I don't think I can take pictures. But if I do manage to find it, I will try to upload.
Post by: pickie on March 20, 2005, 06:54:00 AM
so fingers crossed it stays like that and my house dont burn down love xbox scene and the forum, keep up the good work
cheers
pickie
Post by: chilin_dude on March 20, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
Because this has always happened to me when I insert it and I always thought it was a one off, there not big sparks just little white ones that hurt a little upon touching the skin... This means I have the faulty foxlink PSU I take it?
Post by: mikejf on March 20, 2005, 07:40:00 AM
I've had the power go out, but my TV and Xbox are on a UPS so no worries for a few minutes while the UPS batt holds out....
Not so with the new GFI cord.
The dumb thing popped off after like 30 seconds running on the UPS backup.
Sort of defeats the purpose of using a UPS on the xbox now...
Post by: jimk72 on March 20, 2005, 08:16:00 AM
Im not saying all cases are like this, but any hardware that has a plug like that and is abused(unpluged and repluged many times a month) is going to go bad. Im an electrician and before that I was an electronics tech in the army, I Don't see this as MS fault. I feel they did more than they had to by sending out a proper safety cord. The GFI cord will prevent any problems that may occur and disconnect the power in Milliseconds! yes Milliseconds, thats how fast a GFI works!
That is my .02
Post by: shank69xo on March 20, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
QUOTE(jimk72 @ Mar 20 2005, 08:22 AM)
I might get alot of flames, but I think this is not MS problem. A 1.0 and 1.2 xbox puts it at what over 3 years old? Mine is a day one 1.0 and never had any problems, looked and joints are fine. In my spare time I have had many xbox owners bring me there xbox to fix and found everything from trashed HD to busted av port on back and found %98 of to be the owners fault. The one kid said he got pissed at a game and threw is xbox and now it only works some times. The HD was bad and the power cord connection was half ripped out from throwing it wile it was plugged in!
Im not saying all cases are like this, but any hardware that has a plug like that and is abused(unpluged and repluged many times a month) is going to go bad. Im an electrician and before that I was an electronics tech in the army, I Don't see this as MS fault. I feel they did more than they had to by sending out a proper safety cord. The GFI cord will prevent any problems that may occur and disconnect the power in Milliseconds! yes Milliseconds, thats how fast a GFI works!
That is my .02
Im not saying all cases are like this, but any hardware that has a plug like that and is abused(unpluged and repluged many times a month) is going to go bad. Im an electrician and before that I was an electronics tech in the army, I Don't see this as MS fault. I feel they did more than they had to by sending out a proper safety cord. The GFI cord will prevent any problems that may occur and disconnect the power in Milliseconds! yes Milliseconds, thats how fast a GFI works!
That is my .02
Thats fine and dandy, but thats not what is going on here. I personally have fixed countless Foxlink PS's because of this. Although I will say this. It seems, well in my cases anyways, that it is more apt to happen to customers who move their XBOX, unplugging and replugging it back in alot.
MS needs to address this issue qith another solution besides replacing cords. :grr:
On a side note 400 :lol: :jester:
This post has been edited by shank69xo: Mar 20 2005, 05:18 PM
Post by: TheMuffinMan on March 20, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
I've got 2 consoles that are affected, both 1.0, both with Foxlink, and both with cracked solder jobs, my first launch xbox, had both prongs broken (just like everyone else's) causing it to be incredibly wobbly when plugged in and spark occassionally, the 2nd I received from a friend recently because it was broken, crack it open to find it's got the same problem, just on one prong though, fixed both, and figured I'd take a look at my other boxes - "just in case" type of thing. Well 2 other of my consoles have Foxlinks, but their power prongs/encasing is different, not only is it attached via the solder joints and prongs, but the plastic boot was extended on both sides of the connection and riveted down to the power supply. In my opinion then, Foxlink themselves knew it was a bad design right after 1.0 and 1.1's and changed it, but I sure didn't get a letter then :huh:
Post by: COTA-GodlyOne on March 20, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
This is the weird thing, your ALL having the problem with the foxlink psu right? well i had the same fuckin problem with my delta! maybe they just had really bad development in that time period =/ that psu ended up dieing, i guess i didnt fix it fast enough, i just kept fuckin around with the cord to make it work , lol.
Post by: shenlong77 on March 20, 2005, 09:45:00 AM
My xbox suddenly turned off and smelled like burnt plastic.
I immediately disconnected it and opened it up.
looked around and the solder points of the power cord connector where busted and that where it arked between the solder and the metal connector.
Easy fix but a hell of a scare.
And yes I think that if you unplug and replug your xbox a lot( kind of what I do moving it around a lot) then your definetly more succeptible to this failure.
the problem isn't the solder points, it's the fact that the connecter is not fixed to the psu by any other means. the only thing holding it in place are the solder points. anyone knows that solder isn't the best glue around and if your consistently applying force to the connector it will eventually break the solder connection causing a fire hazard.
Post by: Chancer on March 20, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
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might get alot of flames, but I think this is not MS problem. A 1.0 and 1.2 xbox puts it at what over 3 years old? Mine is a day one 1.0 and never had any problems, looked and joints are fine.
Thats fine and I am glad yours is ok but even if it were only a few boxes this is a potential safety and fire hazard and I think Ms is under obligation to correct this correctly by making the Xbox safe not just chucking an RCD protection device at everyone. The wording they have used in the press is very convenient when they describe at is a Power cord problem , which its clearly not. I have checked all 3 of my V1 and they are ok but if they were not the pics would be up here to build the case in point.
Post by: C89ZX7R on March 20, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
I see that MS is now sending out replacement cords for the xbox power supply problem . Which it is not the cord and it is the Foxlink power supply solder joints where the connector is soldered onto the board is weak . Meaning when the solder breaks which it will , it could cause sparks , fire , and no power to the PSU . Sending out a cord with a built in surge protector is not going to solve this problem , and why did MS wait so long to fix a defect with there product . It took MS what 2 to 3 years to fix this problem when they stopped installing foxlink and moved to a delta power supply . After the changed was made the problem was fixed 2 to 3 years later . But now your offering a replacement cord for the people who still own the older systems , which won't solve the problem . What happens to the people who bought the xbox before october 2003 that had the power supply problem , there was no recall until now but for something that only prevents fire and sparks but doesn't totaly fix the problem . I bought a xbox when it first came out and about a year later it had the same problem , no recall was issued . MS quoted on the phone that I would have to pay for shipping , parts and labor which was more than the xbox is worth now . I thought that there would be a recall on it so I hung onto it , but of course there wasn't one . So i got rid of it last summer . I know own 2 xboxs , which i'm still down one xbox . I have 3 gaming rooms in my house and of course one is not being used . This problem needs to be resolved soon !
Post by: manu_xl on March 20, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
xbox-scene vs m$!! it will be more interesting to follow then the wacko jacko case.
Post by: Jackco on March 20, 2005, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Wolfblade13 @ Feb 24 2005, 02:38 PM)
The european (or at least the dutch) cables are different and smaller :P
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel1.jpg)
what we recieve
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel2.jpg)
the cable
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel3.jpg)
the difference
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel1.jpg)
what we recieve
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel2.jpg)
the cable
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/MCBonk/Xboxkabel3.jpg)
the difference
everywhere in europe is the same except for UK
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
At the time I posted my problem a while ago, everyone was clueless but now that I have read that it can be soldered and used again, I sure am glad I saved it.
Post by: dbzfanhater on March 20, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
ignore any spelling problems and ignorance blame it on my ADD :ph34r:
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
What is weird though is that 1.0-1.2 gets a GFI thing on their cord while the later models only get a new cord. So by giving us a new reshaped cord they are indicating that they know the problem can occur in later xboxes (such as mine and COTA's) yet we don't get a GFI thing on our cord. Why????????
Post by: manu_xl on March 20, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Jackco @ Mar 20 2005, 05:09 PM)
everywhere in europe is the same except for UK
one word: bullshit
read this topic again. a bulky one for the 1.0/1.1 and regular cables for the rest.
dude, already 4 posts. but now its time to stfu!
QUOTE(manu_xl @ Mar 1 2005, 12:44 PM)
i too received the ugly power cord. ive checked my psu. its a delta one with nice clear solder joints. i still use my old cable. i think i will sell my new one on ebay :P
(IMG:http://users.pandora.be/manu-xl/xbox_1.1_psu_delta_front.jpg)
(IMG:http://users.pandora.be/manu-xl/xbox_1.1_psu_delta_back.jpg)
(IMG:http://users.pandora.be/manu-xl/xbox_1.1_psu_delta_front.jpg)
(IMG:http://users.pandora.be/manu-xl/xbox_1.1_psu_delta_back.jpg)
This post has been edited by manu_xl: Mar 20 2005, 07:28 PM
Post by: evilmousse on March 20, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
maybe about a year ago, i had brought my chipped 1.0 down to the local coffeeshop to play some soulcalibur2. i plugged the cord into the back of the xbox, and as soon as i put the plug end into the wall, a decent electric-sounding POP came from my xbox, along with some bad-smelling, but not quite black smoke. she was fried. i brought it over to a friend's with a soldering iron, we opened her up, looked her over, and we found where the explosion happened, on the power supply. now, i'm not a hardware person myself, but with nothing to lose at this point, was fine with trying whatever. the solution looked pretty obvious. we saw a nickel-sized spot of solder, a nickel-sized smoldering hole, and another nickel-sized spot of solder, all in a row. so, we filled up the smoldering hole with solder to match the others, booted her up, and she's been running fine ever since.
who knows if this applies or is common, it's just what happened to me. sorry no pix, too long ago.
Post by: Crypty on March 20, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
If I had to guess at this point, it seems like maybe 1 in 500.
Post by: Fargelsnot on March 20, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(mksoftware @ Mar 20 2005, 01:10 PM)
I checked my european Xbox 1.0 today. The PSU looks completely fine, it is a Delta PSU, no need to fix anything! Some sources say the very first Xbox 1.0 consoles don't suffer from this problem, but the newer 1.0/1.1 Xbox consoles seem to have trouble. My Xbox is from February 22 2002 which is a really early European release. I would like to know manufacturer dates of the consoles suffering from the problem. I don't have to worry about my Xbox, but I am using the Power Cord because it is longer :P
For me, the only thing to worry about is to replace my GPU fan, because it is old and making lots of noise :P
For me, the only thing to worry about is to replace my GPU fan, because it is old and making lots of noise :P
I have a first release 1.0 XBox here in the US. It too has a Delta power supply, but they did send me one of those crazy looking replacement cords with the AFI on it.
Post by: zobetron on March 20, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: sith on March 20, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
.sith.
Post by: RiceCake on March 20, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
The 1.4 isn't mine though so I can't really break it open for pictures. My v1.1 though makes alot of light crackling, new power cord or not. This console doesn't even go through alot of heavy use (I've unplugged the power cord in the rear maybe two or three times in its lifespan).
Might not be serious but in certain situations it could cause a serious fire, or if you were using a fumigation bomb or something it could cause an explosion (Unlikely, but eh, whatever).
This post has been edited by RiceCake: Mar 20 2005, 08:55 PM
Post by: TMG8 on March 20, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: smokeingit on March 20, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
~Smokey
Post by: Charbless on March 20, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
I was sent normal small cable not big bulky one also it sounds like lot of people here arnt using common sence why are they plugging the lead at back of xb in when the powers running through it you should plug that end in first before you plug the wall socket end in.
Post by: majik655 on March 20, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
I have had 3 power supplies fail due to faulty soldering from factory all foxlink and not all MINE just 3 that have passed by me to fix..
I am not sure it is right to say faulty soldering as it looks like the pushing of the power plug INTO the power supply seems to move the "poles" leading to the solder joints... they just seem to move way too much...causing a hollow solder joint to be created.
Refilling the joint will fix it... however I am just not sure HOW LONG it will last.. So far it has lasted for months.. but is it because of better soldering job.. or because the user stops unplugging and plugging in their xbox as much?
Either way.. they have lasted longer than the user had it before it burnt up.
Post by: JaXbox on March 20, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Mar 20 2005, 09:00 PM)
...also it sounds like lot of people here arnt using common sence why are they plugging the lead at back of xb in when the powers running through it you should plug that end in first before you plug the wall socket end in.
Yeah - exactly.. :ph34r:
I can get a crackling/sparking noise from both my v1.0 box AND my v1.6 box, when plugging a "live" power-cord into the back of the boxes.
I'm not saying that M$ didn't make a huge mistake here (after all, they should have secured this weakness before releasing it), I'm just saying: perhaps ppl should be a little more carefull, given the fact that M$ apparently did a lousy job on the PSUs.
edit: how do you spell typo :rolleyes:
This post has been edited by JaXbox: Mar 20 2005, 11:10 PM
Post by: fahrenheit on March 20, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
I plugged in the replacement cord with the GFI and powered it up, but after about one second, the GFI tripped and shut the console off. I disconnected the power connector to the hard drive and powered up fine. I plugged the hard drive back in, but the GFI tripped again. So I got the original cord without the GFI and it has been running fine now for a little over an hour.
Post by: FSM on March 20, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
Mind you, these have not had ANY problems... So... I am playing Halo 2 in my house, and I'm on my 1.0 'box with a mad, mad game going. I figured, Hey, I'm using these new cords, although they fit a little tighter, they had an extra 2 inches length on the old cords, and the damn hair-dryer wallwort happened to fit perfectly in the entertainement centre's, so anyway...
Doing some mad gaming, and I'm on the 1.0... All of the sudden I'm hearing this clicking... and smelling this HORRIFIC PCB fired heat-sink compound burning sensation in my nose... That poor 1.0 xbox shut off... and that damn Xbox wallwort started clicking, and flashing red/green... Like I had a bad HD in my box 'christmas tree light' style flashing...
Needless to say, this box had been run hard from day one, never unplugged or moved, and now I am *NOT* happy... I have a VERY BAD xbox, the Power Supply connector to AC decided to desolder half of itself for no freekin' reason...!
MS... I am a certified MS tech, AS WELL am a Very PAYING Certified Gold Partner...
DO SOMETHING FOR US.
-FSM
a.k.a. C.J. Smith
Post by: snake3k1 on March 20, 2005, 04:06:00 PM
(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/g0t_m4xx_21/foxlink-edited.jpg)
Post by: Potenza on March 20, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: snake3k1,Mar 20 2005, 11:36 PM
So, if we have a foxlink PSU, then we should solder together these two points??Quote
Whatever you do, do not connect these two points as it will create a short circuit.
You just need to resolder those two points, but NOT connect them.
Post by: luther349 on March 20, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
its a shame m$ is trying to cover up a real problem with these older systems. thay say thers a 1 in 10,000 chance of a fire well with abought 5 to 6 million xboxs out there most of them are older systems thers going to be a real problem in a short amount of time. so juging buy trhe amount of cases reported by the number of xboxes out there in the wiled the number is mutch higher then 1 in 10,000 probly more along the lines of 1 in 1,000.
This post has been edited by luther349: Mar 21 2005, 01:22 AM
Post by: RiceCake on March 20, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
Lol, if for some reason I'm around the MS building or campus I think I'll tape an original power cord to a bucket of water, and put a big sign "If bad fire, pour on Xbox, continue playing".
This post has been edited by RiceCake: Mar 21 2005, 02:50 AM
Post by: snake3k1 on March 20, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: clif on March 20, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
Foxlink PSU
its the 3rd one down.
This post has been edited by clif: Mar 21 2005, 03:17 AM
Post by: clif on March 20, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
Foxlink PSU
Post by: DarkMatter on March 20, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
I recommend anyone that with the offending V1.0 and V1.1 PSU's that you use what they call in the trade, a clinch type joint, rather than just resoldering it.
Clinch types of joints have found to be more reliable than normal vertical type joints and are less likely to fail.
The main reason for failure of the active and neutral pins on these power supplies, or any other form of high current area electronics, is due to the solder being heated and cooled by normal operation. The pressure of the power cord against the the AC input socket also doesn't help.
When the X-Box is in standby mode, very little current is being used, therefore the temperature of the solder joints is relatively cool. But when the X-Box is turned on, higher currents are being drawn, therefore the temperature rises on those joints, and also on other high current joints, not only those two offending pins.
This heating and cooling of the joints over the years will cause the the joints to become crystalised and eventually crack. The pressure of the power cord on AC input socket is what helps the cracking proceedure to acceletrate. It will then eventually crack all the way around the pin, thus making it contact intermittently.
Many people will try jiggling the power cord and may get it to work for a while. But unbeknownst to them, they are actually making things worse. i.e. They are widening the crack/s as well as generating voltage spikes.
These cracks now introduce new problems for the X-Box PSU. Due to this intermittent contact, voltage spikes are being generated. Thus, the more a person jiggles the power cord, the worse the voltage spikes become.
Thankfully Micro$oft had the insight of introducing a varistor into the primary side of the PSU to allow for voltage spikes and surges, but this was not enough in most cases, and it often led to the destruction of the varistor (in many cases causing it to flame out), as well as taking the mains fuse with it. The varistor can only handle so much, thus will eventually fail if the faulty solder joint isn't rectified.
All this is definately a fault with the PSU's and NOT with the power cords, as Micro$oft tend to claim. The only advantage with the power cords with the surge protection included, is if the house mains cops a surge, it will trip, but it WON'T protect the power supply from the spikes generated due to intermittent contacts on the power socket pins. It may trip the surge protector, but eventually the person who owns the machine will have to have it fixed at his own expense, if he starts getting sick of having to reset the damn thing all the time.
I've included three pictures of how and what should be done to repair the pins on these sockets.
The first picture shows the pins devoid of any solder.
The second shows how to bend the tabs of the socket pins to create a clinch joint. It also recommends that the two AC input socket support pins should also be soldered. The reason for this is to add more support to the whole assembly. Thus taking some strain off the AC pins themselves.
The third picture shows the finished results.
Micro$oft should be resonsible for this problem and should be covering this under warranty, regardless of how old the machine is. This is a manufacturing stuff-up and no type of power cord is going to magically fix this problem.
I've been in the TV/Video repair business for more than 25 years and I've come across many a faulty joint due to pressure, weight, heat etc. But I've never come across a company that blatantly denies that the real problem is their's alone. The onus is definately on Micro$oft, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they end up with a class action suit against them in the future for this very reason.
I thought I'd put my two cents worth into this discussion.
I hope it helps.
Regards,
DarkMatter
Picture#1
Picture#2
Picture#3
Post by: DuceGT on March 20, 2005, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
Anyways, the real reason why only the 1.0/1.1 consoles get the Afi:
Although the psu manufacturers (delta, foxlink) revised the PSU in the 1.2-1.5 versions (foxlink added the support rivets), they still would some times break loose (I didn't mention mineba, for the best of my knowledge they never made a 1.2-1.5 PSU, and has anybody had one of those spark?).
The fact in itself that Foxlink added the rivets in the later revisions of the board indicates that they knew that there was a design problem with their PSU, so M$ cant deny any defects with the boards.
the failure rate of the 1.2-1.5 psu's is far less than the 1.0-1.1, so it was good enough to just supply a cord that cannot be pushed in too far.
however, since the failure rate of the 1.0-1.1 psu's (yes, the delta ones sometimes break too, but the foxlink breaks most often because the connector has no support) is much more common, M$ supplies the AFI.
Although the number of consoles cathcing fire is rare (1 in 1000 maybe), I'd say that at least 60% of the 1.0-1.1 foxlink PSU's have broken solder joints, and pop, spark, smoke, cut off, etc. (and maybe like 2% of the deltas) Every single one of the fox's ive seen was broken, and many other ppl on here have said the same.
Just a refresher for ppl too lazy to read 30 pages
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
The sweedish kid getting sparks in his face, other various xboxes that fried even with the new cord, and ppl simply getting mad for their xbox shutting off every 10 mins (mine will jsut randomly shut off, and the solder joints on my Mineba 1.0 psu are fine!) will make ppl not want to buy xbox 2 (I dont want a crap product, Ive had 3 xboxes fail on me, 1. dvd drive 2. hard drive 3. psu. I fixed them, but they still shouldn't have broken in the first place. Oddly, all 3 of these failed xboxes were 1.0. My 1.4 works great)
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 20, 2005, 10:19:00 PM
We really need to do more than just complain in this thread and sign petitions though, its time for some legal action
Post by: yourM0M on March 20, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: metazman on March 21, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
QUOTE(xman954 @ Feb 23 2005, 07:07 AM)
Good call M4xx
it is a ARC FAULT INTERUPTER and there not cheap..
the best fix is to remove all the solder then wrap buss wire
around the posts and run it along the trace then solder it all...
it is a ARC FAULT INTERUPTER and there not cheap..
the best fix is to remove all the solder then wrap buss wire
around the posts and run it along the trace then solder it all...
as a person that works with electronics all the time i have to agree with xman on desoldering and wraping (winding wire as radio shack calls it) then resoldering it this will not only fix it but will add strenth to help prevent breakage later on
Post by: tharien on March 21, 2005, 04:45:00 AM
Even the underside looks nice. I bought this unit brand new when they first released the Sega GT/JSFR bundle and its still going strong.
Post by: ti85man on March 21, 2005, 08:10:00 AM
I, at one point, was purchasing broken xboxes off of ebay and would fix and sell them here on the boards. I had gotten a broken 1.0 one time and when i recieved it, to my suprise it booted and worked just fine.
This confused me as the auction said it wouldn't power on. Upon further inspection of the box, i found that wiggling the power cord was a very bad idea. The power supply would make a crackling noise and the xbox would power off and things of that nature.
I opened the case to find the power cable connector ready to fall off the power supply board. It was completely disconnected and when i removed the power supply the connector fell off the board completely.
I cleaned up the solder area and resoldered the connector down and then also applied a good amount of hot glue to help hold the connector in place for future use. This fixed the power supply and made the connector rock solid.
When i heard of this recall, the first thing I thought of was the power supply connector being the problem, and I thought the cord replacement was bunk after reading the recall. Sure enough people are still having problems. This whole thing is just a way for MS not to front the money to fix it all. They need to address the real problem of these power supplys failing and causing harm/injury/property damage.
I urge all people on here with an early xbox with soldering ability to open and check your xbox power supply for problems and fix it before you cause more problems that you want to deal with.
Post by: fnhoser on March 21, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
thats just my two cents on the issue.
Post by: Havok on March 21, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
As far as a class action suit.. nothing will happen.
This will be the result of a class action:
MS will be sentanced to give all users $10 off coupon for Xbox 360 (Next) or some other MS product.
You are still buying their product so they still win.
Post by: networkBoy on March 21, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
Of countless boxes repaired 10 have been revived only by re-soldering the PSU, with FoxLink supplies being the main offenders.
Also on jobs where I have the entire unit I've started checking PSUs without strain relief as a standard practice, most have looked questionable, all were re-flowed.
Should anyone not want to solder their PSU for some reason, I will do it for free (except shipping)
-nB
Post by: cRACKmONKEY421 on March 21, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: GhostDog__ on March 21, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
QUOTE(yourM0M @ Mar 21 2005, 06:10 AM)
does it matter to the fact that most of everyone that has reported problems and want to join a class action suit or wut not have opened their xbox's? that doesnt void and type of warranty or replacement? i mean i understand the problem is hardware and m$ is trying to cover it up but the thompson dvd-rom's are garbage in the 1.0-1.1's also and the mcpx's fry in box's all the time.....same with playstations....their dvd-rom's are crap thats why they make new version consoles to fix their cheap hardware....well anyways im just wondering if we are going to get any where since we've all pretty much opened our xbox's
I was wondering the same thing. I'll take it one step further. What about the fact that most of these people have a modchip in their Xbox (myself included) which voids the warranty? I know some use soft mods. I could be wrong. MS is not going to replace the PSU's in modded Xbox's.
This post has been edited by GhostDog__: Mar 22 2005, 04:03 AM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 21, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
QUOTE(cRACKmONKEY421 @ Mar 22 2005, 01:36 AM)
I have a refurbished 1.0 with a foxlink... I've had it for years now. No solder cracks... Solder actually looked perfect. I probably average 3 unplug & plug-ins a month... which is probably not excessive, but I haven't been trying to be careful with it. I resoldered it anyway with some %96 Tin 4% Silver solder. I'm still not quite sure what causes this problem. People say "shotty soldering" but in my case the soldering job looked fine... so what makes for a "shotty soldering" job? In this case is it moslty due to bad soldering or bad solder?
Not necessarily bad soldering, but a lack of reinforcement of the power connector, which transmits too much force the the solder joint, and cracks it.
Post by: TheMuffinMan on March 21, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
1) You have a refurbished XBOX 1.0, not the same as having a 1.0, they could have changed the psu and other parts, if it's really a refurb like you say, that means MS played with it
2) 3 times a month? That's like nothing at all, I take mine to LAN's and friend's houses and move it around which is probably at least 20 times unplug/plug, you can't say much with only 3 haha
Post by: broadd on March 22, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
The cord is a monster! Two huge long powercables, and a huge fuse box in the middle.
Post by: bloodshot_17 on March 22, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
I don't think the problem is the solder...
The new plugs are different, the new plug has a lip on it which prevents you from pushing the plug in further than it is supposed to go.
With out this people are pushing it in too hard and this is what is breaking the solder joint.
I used hot glue and secured the plastic piece to the powersupply board and it is now nice and tight again.
This will most likely fix everyone's problem but just make sure there is not a broken connection already.
Anyway...just my advice and what I have come to with all the data posted here.
Thanks for all the posts and research.
Post by: Neptune on March 22, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
I do repairs on xbox's all the time, and one of the issues is the power supplies blowing out, and I mean blowing out beyond fuse replacements. I believe the reason for the power cord replacements was to solve THAT issue.
The rest of the repairs are the power connector's on the PSU being loose with no solder making contact. I literally opened one and the connector fell on the floor, even had a friend send me one and when you plugged it in, it literally shot sparks into the air over 6 inch's I was literally scared to work on the unit. Re-heated the solder on the joints, added a bit more solder and used braid, worked like a charm.
In short, M$ get your act together, you can afford to fork out $20 per unit.
Post by: theunbeatable on March 22, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: madsci1016 on March 22, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 22, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Micro$oft)
A single report recently surfaced that inaccurately
speculates that the recently announced power cord replacement for Xbox is somehow related to broken "solder joints" inside of early Xbox consoles. This
report is simply not true. In rare cases, solder joints have broken.
This issue is not associated with the power cord replacement program, nor is
it unique to the Foxlink power supplies [wow! some truth here] or even Xbox consoles. All consumer electronics products experience some broken solder joints as a result of ordinary wear and tear. Broken solder joints inside the Xbox
are a warranty issue. All Xbox consoles (even without a replacement
cord) have been designed to insure that a broken solder joint does not
present any safety issue.
speculates that the recently announced power cord replacement for Xbox is somehow related to broken "solder joints" inside of early Xbox consoles. This
report is simply not true. In rare cases, solder joints have broken.
This issue is not associated with the power cord replacement program, nor is
it unique to the Foxlink power supplies [wow! some truth here] or even Xbox consoles. All consumer electronics products experience some broken solder joints as a result of ordinary wear and tear. Broken solder joints inside the Xbox
are a warranty issue. All Xbox consoles (even without a replacement
cord) have been designed to insure that a broken solder joint does not
present any safety issue.
Rare cases my ass. Look at all the people JUST ON XBOX-SCENE that have had these broken joints. Now consider the percentage of ppl on X-S vs. the total number of xbox owners, and you can see that there are easily tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of xbox psu's with broken power connectors.
Ordinary wear and tear? Its clearly a bad design. Why is it mostly Foxlink supplies that are broken? Answer: lack of support of the power connector. Bad design, should be replaced.
Not a safety issue? It is most definitely a safety issue! What the hell do you think is sparking in there? Many of us that have had Xboxes CATCH ON FIRE have opened the consoles, and discovered that the area around the power connector was the source of the fire, and it was because of the broken solder joints. How can a console catching of fire not be a safety issue? People are getting burned, and property is damaged. Sooner or later somebody's house is going to get burned down, or worse, somebody may DIE. How is this not a safety issue?
Shit like this just makes me so mad
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Mar 23 2005, 06:10 AM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 23, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
I can't post a pic directly, but here's a link.
bottom
top
edit- nevermind, thoke links dont work either. Should be back up tomorrow.
This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Mar 23 2005, 08:15 AM
Post by: datad0g on March 23, 2005, 01:10:00 AM
QUOTE(yaazz @ Feb 24 2005, 02:12 AM)
My power cord is like fucked up.... sometimes when you plug it in, it doesnt get a good enough connection unless you like tilt the connector up. Hard to explain, but I just wrapped the cord around the xbox to keep it tight and it doesnt turn off randomly anymore, do I have a fuxx0red psu?
You sir are a fire waiting to happen!!
Post by: terrorvis on March 23, 2005, 01:59:00 AM
A single report recently surfaced that inaccurately speculates that the recently announced power cord replacement for Xbox is somehow related to broken "solder joints" inside of early Xbox consoles. This report is simply not true. In rare cases, solder joints have broken. This issue is not associated with the power cord replacement program, nor is it unique to the Foxlink power supplies or even Xbox consoles.
All consumer electronics products experience some broken solder joints as a result of ordinary wear and tear. Broken solder joints inside the Xbox are a warranty issue. All Xbox consoles (even without a replacement cord) have been designed to insure that a broken solder joint does not present any safety issue.
Taken from http://www.theregist...box_no_problem/
A single report? Its all over the web!
Post by: brian417 on March 23, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE(cRACKmONKEY421 @ Mar 21 2005, 07:36 PM)
I have a refurbished 1.0 with a foxlink... I've had it for years now. No solder cracks... Solder actually looked perfect. I probably average 3 unplug & plug-ins a month... which is probably not excessive, but I haven't been trying to be careful with it. I resoldered it anyway with some %96 Tin 4% Silver solder. I'm still not quite sure what causes this problem. People say "shotty soldering" but in my case the soldering job looked fine... so what makes for a "shotty soldering" job? In this case is it moslty due to bad soldering or bad solder?
I have the same xbox I bought new, not refurbished. I ordered the replacement cord but after reading everything I decided that trusting m$ was foolish so I opened up my box to check the solder and it was perfect! my box sets in with the rest of my home theater components and almost never gets unplugged so I think that repeatedly unplugging and plugging it back in is what's causing the problems.
so what about the new cord? should I use it? doesn't seem to have done much good for some people.
Post by: Retroplay on March 23, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
I might aswell just use the old powercord.
Post by: JEB-101 on March 23, 2005, 11:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Retroplay @ Mar 23 2005, 11:35 AM)
Just checked my Xbox (v1.1) yesterday and found out it's got a Delta PSU, the replacement cord I got was one of those huge things with the green and red buttons. :huh:
I might aswell just use the old powercord.
I might aswell just use the old powercord.
Id still use the new one... just incase... I got delta`s and i use the big one...
:beer:
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 23, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: distruct1ve on March 24, 2005, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: Barnolde on March 24, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
I have a launch Xbox, Nov 13, 2001 is the manuf. date and I use my launch cord, after fixing my charred up PSU of course.
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 24, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Underwriters Laboratories)
Thank you for your inquiry to Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
We are aware of the problem that you have brought to our attention and we have been working with MS on the issue. Just recently, MS announced a voluntary recall of certain XBOX game consoles that had been noted to have a potential defect. You should go to the XBOX web site to determine if your console is one of those that are eligible for a free, replacement power cord. Go to www.xbox.com and click on the link for Power Cord Replacement. Full explanation will be given there and you can work with MS directly to resolve the problem, if it covers your game.
You mentioned that the power cord replacement has nothing to do with the problem. Actually, the power cord that MS is providing has circuitry that addresses the probelm that you have described. It is not jsut a standard power cord. The web site noted above will explain this in nore detail.
We trust that this will satisfy your concern. Thank you for writing.
Brad Rowe
Field Report Department
Trend - other, AZSQ, E219863
Post by: broadd on March 24, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
"Your Xbox console may be susceptible to electrical problems that can cause damage or fire inside the console. Even though the Xbox console is designed to keep fire from spreading outside the console, MS recommends that you alway use the Xbox Protection Cord with your console to further reduce this risk. The Xbox Protection Cord disconnects power to the Xbox console when it detects:
1. A problem with the electircal power supplied to the Xbox console;
2. An electrical problem with the Xbox console."
So it seems clear MS is admitting a problem with the console rather than the cord.
Post by: distruct1ve on March 24, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
QUOTE(distruct1ve @ Mar 24 2005, 03:40 AM)
ok im a noob to this and all but my xbox was manufactured in 2004-11-05...now just recently for no reason i have to push the eject buttons rapidly in order for the xbox to boot up or it just makes this noise inside the cd drive...first i thought it was just the xbox tweaking out or something but my friend gave me the new cords and also tried it with the new cord and i still had to do the same routine. just a few min ago my bro called and said that he now got the xbox to work and was telling me that it was just that the power cord was loose and he said he had to pressure it in there...and now it starts up normal...now my concern is if my xbox is now at risk at getting fried? loose power cord and not getting contact with xbox power now just got me thinking...
err i meant 2001-11-05...sry about that...
Post by: dannybeckett on March 26, 2005, 06:59:00 AM
Post by: chilin_dude on March 29, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
here's a small version of it, but it doesn't really show the full zoom.
(IMG:http://anime-gallore.com/foxlinksmall.jpg)
This post has been edited by chilin_dude: Mar 29 2005, 05:03 PM
Post by: Print Screen on March 29, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(anticrap1234 @ Feb 23 2005, 10:40 PM)
on the main page it shows a replacement america power cord. and the bitch is huge and has 2 buttons on it. i got my replacement today and it looks exactly like the origional on color is a lil different and it shows number on it different(serial type number) its not huge. so whats up w/ talk of huge power cords?
I think this is because US electricity is 110V while here in Europe it is usually 240V so you need a higher current to deliver the same power, thus thicker cords etc as
P=VI
Post by: xp-power on March 29, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(chilin_dude @ Mar 29 2005, 02:32 PM)
Well my xbox broke and I think it's because of the foxlink supply, but I'm not sure... Will anyone look at the following picture to tell me (warning it's 2megs - wanted to be sure you could see.)
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
here's a small version of it, but it doesn't really show the full zoom.
(IMG:http://anime-gallore.com/foxlinksmall.jpg)
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
here's a small version of it, but it doesn't really show the full zoom.
(IMG:http://anime-gallore.com/foxlinksmall.jpg)
sorry im a big slow today but it has just twigged the reason u have this problem is due to the glue where the two clips are isnt strong enough but there is a tut on how to fix it
use a 800 degrees/30+ watt iron to fix it
I have just found the TUT
Here
Post by: chilin_dude on March 29, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(xp-power @ Mar 29 2005, 06:52 PM)
sorry im a big slow today but it has just twigged the reason u have this problem is due to the glue where the two clips are isnt strong enough but there is a tut on how to fix it
use a 800 degrees/30+ watt iron to fix it
I have just found the TUT
Here
use a 800 degrees/30+ watt iron to fix it
I have just found the TUT
Here
Thanks for the post, can't I just glue them back then :huh: I didn't see anything on that page about fixing them.
Post by: moistness on March 29, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
QUOTE(chilin_dude @ Mar 29 2005, 02:32 PM)
Well my xbox broke and I think it's because of the foxlink supply, but I'm not sure... Will anyone look at the following picture to tell me (warning it's 2megs - wanted to be sure you could see.)
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
http://anime-gallore.com/foxlink.jpg
FOCUS DAMMIT!!!!
Anyway, doesnt look too bad to me, what probs are you actually having with it? does it turn on at all?
Have you replaced THE FUSE??? :rolleyes:
Post by: chilin_dude on March 30, 2005, 04:31:00 AM
QUOTE(moistness @ Mar 30 2005, 01:15 AM)
FOCUS DAMMIT!!!!
Anyway, doesnt look too bad to me, what probs are you actually having with it? does it turn on at all?
Have you replaced THE FUSE??? :rolleyes:
Anyway, doesnt look too bad to me, what probs are you actually having with it? does it turn on at all?
Have you replaced THE FUSE??? :rolleyes:
Well I managed to fix it :)
Just cleaned all the points with cotton buds and alcohol carefully, then I put it back together and it worked :D
Post by: reZz on March 31, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on March 31, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
http://it.asia1.com.sg/newsdaily/news001_20050328.html
A pretty nice article. I'm famous!!! :P
The guy sent me an email a few weeks ago asking me to answer some questions to him regarding the issue, its good to see that my reply was used.
I'm not getting anywhere with UL, they are convinced that the cheezy cord is a sufficient fix to the problem.
Post by: JaXbox on April 06, 2005, 10:05:00 AM
QUOTE(From IT AsiaOne article - AsianMS support dude)
In rare cases, solder joints have broken.
QUOTE(From IT AsiaOne article - AsianMS support dude)
...a rare electrical component failure
Bogus! I opened up my v1.0 box the other day, and guess what, both joints in the FoxLink PSU were loose (I could carefully apply pressure to the solder joints and observe them move as described by others in this thread).
How can this be a "rare electrical component failure" if so many ppl in the scene have experienced this with their PSUs ?
BTW: nice article :beer:
Edit: spelling arrows :rolleyes:
This post has been edited by JaXbox: Apr 6 2005, 05:07 PM
Post by: Ritchzee on April 13, 2005, 05:33:00 AM
Typical of todays manufacturing standard, they would not even need their bull crap cover story of faulty power cords to cover their arses.
Do they really think people are that stupid??
My Box never gets unplugged so i wont be bothering with it, but i have had a few failed power supplies accross my work bench that had failed for oither reasons than the bad power connections.
cheers
Rich
Post by: MrOnline on April 13, 2005, 07:45:00 AM
and the shit is only sitting there in solder, nothing else holding the power connector...
did the solder and no sparks came after... also used some hot glue :beer:
Post by: Clvsportsman on April 22, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
I would also like to mention XanTium His post on how to open up the XBOX and get to the parts in question where also very helpful. :D
Cheers to you both :beer:
All I have to say is Thank You!!
As a side note:
30 mins researching the web
$10 for Star wrenches to open the XBOX
$15.00 for the soldering iron
45 Minutes of repair
NOT HAVING TO LISTEN TO THE 14 YEAR OLD COMPLAIN THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO DO AND THE WIFE KISSING ME ALL OVER :luv:
PRICELESS!!....LOL
Post by: seriouslysilly on April 23, 2005, 06:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Clvsportsman @ Apr 22 2005, 10:16 PM)
... AND THE WIFE KISSING ME ALL OVER :luv:
PRICELESS!!....LOL
PRICELESS!!....LOL
yup, that's is priceless
Post by: FierceGaming on April 24, 2005, 02:36:00 PM
(I also ordered a power cord, will see which one I get)
Post by: Mekapo on April 24, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
-Mekapo
Post by: minura600 on April 29, 2005, 11:13:00 PM
pic 1
pic 2
Post by: ex_peludo on June 18, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on June 19, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(minura600 @ Apr 30 2005, 07:24 AM)
i think i blew my xbox's psu's fuse but i cant find whr the fuse is. i posted pics of my psu in the links below. can someone pls help me!
pic 1
pic 2
pic 1
pic 2
in your first pic, its the little black cylinder behind and to the left of the power connector, labeled "F1" on the board.
Post by: liam on June 19, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
i havent checked to see what PSU i have, but i will check later today.
Post by: 1212kiwi on July 04, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: IRBubbaB on July 28, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on July 28, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
Also it has been confirmed that there is another source of the sparking, and yes, it is actually in the connection between power cord and PSU.
From what I've found, this issue is far less common than the solder joints actually breaking, but, sometimes, the pins pn the PSU plug don't make a very good connection with the power cord, and can spark, or at least go high resistance and get very hot.
I have heard many cases of the replacement (huge) power cord tripping very often, even when there's nothing wrong with the psu.
My guess is the cord has a very sensitive current limiter, and if the current draw is even slightly higher than it should be, it trips. So yes, lots of LED's or other goodies running off your psu will cause it to draw more current, which will not only up your electric bill
, but possibly trip the replacement cord. Even on an unmodded box, it seems that the current limit is too sensitive and will trip randomly.IMO the wall wort power cord is causing more problems than it is fixing.
If your solder joints are ok, and the old cord doesn't feel excessively loose, just run your old cord if the new one is tripping all the time.
As for the "normal" looking cord received for 1.2-1.6 boxes, use it. It does have that extra little lip on it, which will save some strain on the power connector.
Post by: lostboyz on July 29, 2005, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: William Gates on August 12, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
From the desk of,
Bill
Post by: Chance_P on August 12, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
Post by: lostboyz on August 12, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(William Gates @ Aug 12 2005, 04:04 AM)
It seems that the Foxlink power supply which is in question was manufactured by a company by the name of Cheng Uei Precision Industry Co., Ltd. The name "Foxlink" is an undoubtedly an attempt on their part to sound more American. This brings us to the question of why they would want to hide their true Asian nationality. I think its safe to say that the answer is that most Americans, or purchasers of the MS Xbox would not care to buy a product which contains a power supply that was built by penny-skimping Chinese sweatshop owners.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Kirusshan on November 05, 2005, 10:07:00 PM
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yo. my thing blew up. is there still chance in soldering and fixin it?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: SpiffWilkie on November 06, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
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Post by: Kirusshan on November 05, 2005, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: SpiffWilkie on November 06, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Kirusshan @ Nov 6 2005, 12:14 AM)
yo. my thing blew up. is there still chance in soldering and fixin it?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: tristanx on November 10, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
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i'm proud to announce that i too have just joined the group "burned xbox psu's"...
i'll fix it tomorrow... lazzzzyyyy...
zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on November 10, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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If you don't like soldering, you can send it to me to have it repaired ($10 incl. return shippin to the US), or I have a couple 1.2-1.5 PSU's on hand right now, $20 shipped in the US. Sorry, I currently don't have any 1.0-1.1 or 1.6 PSU's.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: ranoga on November 12, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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guess i'll buy a new psu from ya got m4xx 21
i'll msg ya...
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: madsci1016 on November 16, 2005, 04:58:00 PM
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Post by: tristanx on November 10, 2005, 04:07:00 PM
i'll fix it tomorrow... lazzzzyyyy...
zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on November 10, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: ranoga on November 12, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
i'll msg ya...
Post by: madsci1016 on November 16, 2005, 04:58:00 PM
QUOTE(P Exeter Blue @ Nov 16 2005, 10:44 PM)
I havent had a chance to examine my box yet, but when I power it on, it comes, off, on off, then stays on but nothing is on the screen. And if I even get near the connection of the power cable, there is some major ssssssshshhshshshsh noise going on, even when the console is off. Then, when I was playing a game, the game's sound started getting really staticy and cutting out then went off all together. Would this be the infamous PSU problem? ( I read the first page of the thread, then skipped to the end..sorry!)
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: dyer01905 on November 21, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
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. i also got one heck of a zap too. A WORD OF ADVICE: never use all metal tools when working on something with high voltage. i learned my lesson the hard way.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Granulated on November 21, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
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I submitted my Xbox serial number on the MS site, they said my xbox was "not effected", and I wouldn't need a replacement cord.
I, citing my blatant distrust for MS (My dad is a Novell system admin), pop open my system, and lo and behold, a Foxlink PSU on my 1.0. I pop that out, and sure enough, the solder joints are not only cracked, but also burnt. Looks like I caught it just in the nick of time. Thanks for nothing, M$!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: rooter75 on December 09, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
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I know this is old news to most of you but I just wanted to add that my xbox last week did the spark and KABOOM when I turned it on!! And to my surprise when I unplugged it one of the pins had completely blown off the back of the power supply. When I opened my box the solder joints and about an inch of the power supply board was black. I am a little pissed but I guess a new power supply (25 bucks later) and it should breathe again! I never really look at the threads mentioning the PSU problems or I could of soldered the joints and avoided the explosion. So if your xbox is still running OK and you have never checked out the power supply I would reccomend doing it!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: funnyperson1 on March 08, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
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I doubt that MS will send you a new PSU, it seems their answer right now it to deny.
If you or someone you know can solder, you should try the fix posted by DarkMatter here:
http://forums.xbox-s...c=361537&st=435
Else you could find out what version Xbox you have and buy a new PSU from here:
http://secure.llamma...php?cPath=64_22
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Slosha on March 17, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
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oh yeah, and does it matter what solder i use?
the stuff ifound at my house is Oatley 40% tin 60% lead (thats what i tsaid on the role). Will this work?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: bigdoo on March 18, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
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To prevent getting shocked, i recommend wearing some marigolds
To remove solder you can either use de-solder braid available from many places, or a "solder sucker" (sorry but i dont know the technical name, unless that is it) which looks like a fat pen with a piston inside.
And as far as i know, that solder should be fine.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Slosha on March 18, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
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Well i got the PSU out and it IS a Foxlink and there are some burns and stuff (once i have the PSU out is there still a possibility of getting shocked?) so i was wondering if i should scrape the burns off or just leave em. BTW what do u mean by marigolds?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Slosha on March 18, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
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MKkkkkkkkk... So i took everything out and stuff then i soldered the two spots (here's where i think i skrewed up). My dad helped me mostly but he said it didn't necessarily have to be connected to teh trace... so we didn't solder it to the trace and the when he soldered the other one, he kinda blended it with a different thing....
anyway...... after this happened i put everythign back together... (i still had a lil' golden screw left and once everyhting was together I tried turning it on but when i did the light circle in the front blinked red and green or sum other color so i turned it off and took it apart again. My bro said it always did that but i dont think it did.... HEEEELLLLPPPP PLLLZZZZZ!!!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: hojo79 on April 06, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
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Seeing i have learned a whole lot in 35 pages i would like to comment i had the spark situation and called MS as well. Im not really into hearing about what kinda Power cord everyone got cause it does nothing.
What i would like to know is IF YOU DID NOT SODDER BUT BOUGHT A NEW PSU, where did you get it from? I will most likely try to sodder my brown lose connection but curious where everyone has gone to buy a PSU. I have seen some recommendations for llama's website wasn't sure if i can get some kinda direction? Thanx for all assistance
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: seriouslysilly on April 07, 2006, 06:36:00 AM
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What i would like to know is IF YOU DID NOT SODDER BUT BOUGHT A NEW PSU, where did you get it from? I will most likely try to sodder my brown lose connection but curious where everyone has gone to buy a PSU. I have seen some recommendations for llama's website wasn't sure if i can get some kinda direction? Thanx for all assistance
many people either get it from ebay or from the buy/sell/trade forum on this site.
it tends to be a bit cheaper than from getting it at an on-line store.
BTW, I have a few v1.0 PSUs if you're still looking for one. Just PM me for details
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: 89c4l98 on June 18, 2006, 08:12:00 PM
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just fixed my psu... same issue as the first picture... i heard it arching.. dam foxlink
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: xboxgamer733 on June 21, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
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Does the breaker still trip if you move your Xbox to a different room in your house?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: TKramka on June 21, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
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Double, tripple check the bottom of the PSU, heck resolder it if you can just in case.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Zanzang on August 24, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
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I was having lots of PSU problems recently, and it wasn't until tonight that I remembered about the Foxlink problems...
My box has been "arching" all summer, and only works when plugged in with the cord tucked under the box at just the right angle (I was using it as a fileserver, and on occasion had to turn it on).
Anyways, my bro was asking me (read:bugging me) to fix it, and I remembered I had a v1.1 box, with the Foxling thing, and I vaguely remembered reading something on here saying that the power cord replacements were useless because the PSU was the problem.
So, I opened the box, took out the PSU, and sure enough there was a gaping hole in the solder joint, and black burns on the surface of the board around the affected power input pin.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: okland_2007 on March 24, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
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I bought my xbox360 about 2 weeks ago from game stop. Today i go and turn it on and let it sit for about 10 minutes and it automatically shuts off and starts flashing red on the circular logo on the system. I smelled melted plastic and felt the system and it didnt seem hot so i picked up the power adapter and it was extremely hot. I looked at the bottom and it was all melted/warped. I plan on taking it back to gamestop as they should have replaced it with the newer one before they sold it to me. Their lucky my house didnt get burned down or someones ass from microsoft woulda been sued!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: DarkMatter on March 24, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
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"The Power Cord Conspiracy" thread pertained to the X-Box1 and not the 360. They are totally unrelated.
Great of you to revive an old thread.
Regards,
DarkMatter
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: underworlderZer0 on March 25, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
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Actually, I was pretty fortuitous for me that this thread got revived- Over the last week or so, I've noticed crackling when plugging in my XBOX and smelling strange, acrid chemical odors coming from the back of my unit (did I really just type that?
).
Anyway... When I opened up the case and hit the power button, sure enough, sparks were flying from the PSU joint in question.
I originally came to this forum with the intent of asking what was up, but I didn't even have to search for an answer. I've got another brand new XBOX still in the packaging that I bought for the DVD-Drive and controller- I'll just swap the PSU in from that.
That shouldn't be a problem should it? Are all PSU's the same?
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: kirky1991 on March 25, 2008, 07:33:00 AM
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1.0 - 1.1 have same plugs But are not ATX, and work either way round as in 1.0 will work with 1.1 visa versa
1.2 - 1.5 have same plugs that are ATX and work either way round as in 1.2 will work with 1.3/1.4/or 1.5 Visa Versa
1.6 have an atx plug but the power is done different on the atx and thus a 1.6 will only work with a 1.6
If you have sparks etc. It isnt to hard to solder the two points that are not small, You dont have to be slightly good at soldering to fix it! Just whack the soldering iron tip on the point and when the solder melts feed the new solder in!
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: swaaye on May 08, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
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I have one of these 1.0 Foxlink setups. The solder joints did break at one point and my bro did get the breaker-equipped power cord. Obviously that had nothing to do with the problem though. So, I just opened 'er up and applied way more solder on the pins of that connector. Fluxed it up good too so the solder would adhere really well. This was when I was first installing the mod chip years ago. It's been fine since.
IMO the problem was just insufficient (maybe even incorrect) solder usage on the plug at the factory. And that it's just not designed well enough for a part that gets the stresses it does. Actually, there shouldn't be any stress on the solder joints. They should have supports in place. But, obviously, whoever designed this didn't know what they were doing.
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Title: The Power Cord Conspiracy
Post by: Crispy3000 on August 26, 2008, 04:29:00 AM
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FYI:
I just gave Microsoft a ring from the UK and got 2 replacement cables shipped for a version 1.0 and 1.1.
Took them a while to say yes, lots of chatting in the background xbox 1 cable???
So if you wonder if they still doing it now you know.
I just needed the spare cables I've resoldered all the power supplies
Post by: dyer01905 on November 21, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
. i also got one heck of a zap too. A WORD OF ADVICE: never use all metal tools when working on something with high voltage. i learned my lesson the hard way.
Post by: Granulated on November 21, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
I, citing my blatant distrust for MS (My dad is a Novell system admin), pop open my system, and lo and behold, a Foxlink PSU on my 1.0. I pop that out, and sure enough, the solder joints are not only cracked, but also burnt. Looks like I caught it just in the nick of time. Thanks for nothing, M$!
Post by: rooter75 on December 09, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: funnyperson1 on March 08, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
If you or someone you know can solder, you should try the fix posted by DarkMatter here:
http://forums.xbox-s...c=361537&st=435
Else you could find out what version Xbox you have and buy a new PSU from here:
http://secure.llamma...php?cPath=64_22
Post by: Slosha on March 17, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
the stuff ifound at my house is Oatley 40% tin 60% lead (thats what i tsaid on the role). Will this work?
Post by: bigdoo on March 18, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
To remove solder you can either use de-solder braid available from many places, or a "solder sucker" (sorry but i dont know the technical name, unless that is it) which looks like a fat pen with a piston inside.
And as far as i know, that solder should be fine.
Post by: Slosha on March 18, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Slosha on March 18, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
anyway...... after this happened i put everythign back together... (i still had a lil' golden screw left and once everyhting was together I tried turning it on but when i did the light circle in the front blinked red and green or sum other color so i turned it off and took it apart again. My bro said it always did that but i dont think it did.... HEEEELLLLPPPP PLLLZZZZZ!!!
Post by: hojo79 on April 06, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
What i would like to know is IF YOU DID NOT SODDER BUT BOUGHT A NEW PSU, where did you get it from? I will most likely try to sodder my brown lose connection but curious where everyone has gone to buy a PSU. I have seen some recommendations for llama's website wasn't sure if i can get some kinda direction? Thanx for all assistance
Post by: seriouslysilly on April 07, 2006, 06:36:00 AM
QUOTE(hojo79 @ Apr 6 2006, 09:47 PM) 
What i would like to know is IF YOU DID NOT SODDER BUT BOUGHT A NEW PSU, where did you get it from? I will most likely try to sodder my brown lose connection but curious where everyone has gone to buy a PSU. I have seen some recommendations for llama's website wasn't sure if i can get some kinda direction? Thanx for all assistance
many people either get it from ebay or from the buy/sell/trade forum on this site.
it tends to be a bit cheaper than from getting it at an on-line store.
BTW, I have a few v1.0 PSUs if you're still looking for one. Just PM me for details
Post by: 89c4l98 on June 18, 2006, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: xboxgamer733 on June 21, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: TKramka on June 21, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Zanzang on August 24, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
My box has been "arching" all summer, and only works when plugged in with the cord tucked under the box at just the right angle (I was using it as a fileserver, and on occasion had to turn it on).
Anyways, my bro was asking me (read:bugging me) to fix it, and I remembered I had a v1.1 box, with the Foxling thing, and I vaguely remembered reading something on here saying that the power cord replacements were useless because the PSU was the problem.
So, I opened the box, took out the PSU, and sure enough there was a gaping hole in the solder joint, and black burns on the surface of the board around the affected power input pin.
Post by: okland_2007 on March 24, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: DarkMatter on March 24, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE
I bought my xbox360
"The Power Cord Conspiracy" thread pertained to the X-Box1 and not the 360. They are totally unrelated.
Great of you to revive an old thread.
Regards,
DarkMatter
Post by: underworlderZer0 on March 25, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
). Anyway... When I opened up the case and hit the power button, sure enough, sparks were flying from the PSU joint in question.
I originally came to this forum with the intent of asking what was up, but I didn't even have to search for an answer. I've got another brand new XBOX still in the packaging that I bought for the DVD-Drive and controller- I'll just swap the PSU in from that.
That shouldn't be a problem should it? Are all PSU's the same?
Post by: kirky1991 on March 25, 2008, 07:33:00 AM
1.2 - 1.5 have same plugs that are ATX and work either way round as in 1.2 will work with 1.3/1.4/or 1.5 Visa Versa
1.6 have an atx plug but the power is done different on the atx and thus a 1.6 will only work with a 1.6
If you have sparks etc. It isnt to hard to solder the two points that are not small, You dont have to be slightly good at soldering to fix it! Just whack the soldering iron tip on the point and when the solder melts feed the new solder in!
Post by: swaaye on May 08, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
IMO the problem was just insufficient (maybe even incorrect) solder usage on the plug at the factory. And that it's just not designed well enough for a part that gets the stresses it does. Actually, there shouldn't be any stress on the solder joints. They should have supports in place. But, obviously, whoever designed this didn't know what they were doing.
Post by: Crispy3000 on August 26, 2008, 04:29:00 AM
I just gave Microsoft a ring from the UK and got 2 replacement cables shipped for a version 1.0 and 1.1.
Took them a while to say yes, lots of chatting in the background xbox 1 cable???
So if you wonder if they still doing it now you know.
I just needed the spare cables
I've resoldered all the power supplies