Post by: cr_blah_blah on March 08, 2005, 02:24:00 PM
CPU - Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores. Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle and has an L1 cache with 32 KB for data and 32 KB for instructions. The three cores share 1 MB of L2 cache. Alpha 2 developer kits currently have two cores instead of three.
GPU - Xenon's GPU is a generation beyond the ATI X800. Its clock speed is 500 MHz and it supports Shader 3.0. Developers are currently working with an alpha 2 GPU. Beta GPU units are expected by May and the final GPU is slated for a summer release. The final GPU will be more powerful than anything on the market today; in game terms, it would handle a game like Half-Life 2 with ease.
System Memory - Xenon will have 256 MB of system RAM. Keep in mind that this number should not be equated to typical PC RAM. The Xbox has 64 MB of system RAM and is a very capable machine.
Optical Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon will not use Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Games will come on dual-layer DVD-9 discs. While the media is the same as that of the current Xbox, the usable space on each disc is up to 7 GB. The drive is slated to run at 12X.
Memory Units - Xenon will use 64 MB to 1,024 MB memory cards. 8 MB is reserved for system use, leaving a 56 MB to 1,016 MB for user data.
Hard Drive - As many have speculated, Xenon's hard drive is optional. 2 GB of the drive will be used as game cache. The final drive size is still being determined.
Camera - Xenon will have a USB 2.0 camera. It's capable of 1.2 megapixel still shots and VGA video. Photos can be used in-game and for gamer profiles. The camera can also be used for video chat. It's unknown if the Xenon camera will allow for EyeToy-like gameplay. Developers are currently using a simulated camera driver.
Sound Chip - Xenon does not have an audio chip in the traditional sense. Decompression is handled by hardware, while the rest of the chores are handled by software. DirectSound3D has been dropped in favor of X3DAudio. The former was deemed too inflexible.
The Software
MS is requiring developers to make all Xenon titles Live enabled. One of the key reasons for this will be revealed in the second part of this story.
Developers are being instructed to plan their games for high-definition. The baseline is 720p at 1280x720 for gameplay and video clips, 16:9 aspect ratio, 5.1 Surround Sound, and anti-aliasing. These features are the current minimum requirement.
All Xenon games can be played using custom soundtracks. Owners can also play their own music directly. Supported formats are MP3 and WMA. Files can be encoded up to 320Kbps CBR or VBR stereo. The system is branded a Music Player Service.
For gameplay movies, Xenon uses Xenon Motion Video (XMV). XMV is based on Windows Media 9 and uses the mandatory codec for HD-DVD. The goal for video is 720p running at 30 frames per second with 5.1 Surround Sound.
http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/MS-xbox/594331p1.html <
Post by: SkateorDie on March 08, 2005, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: whet1134 on March 08, 2005, 03:00:00 PM
Rational... skepticism... weakening...
Oh God...
HOLY... FUCKING... SHIT! :o
I really really really hope alot of that information is true. I also hope a lot of it is false. Still holding on to that RUMOR label. ;)
PROS:
1. Optional HDD - Did the author make that sound as though the HDD would be used as a performance booster?
2. 3x3.0Ghz Cores - Most skeptical of this, STILL, but it seems to hold more water now.
3. MP3 support - Fan-fucking-tastic! Finally, MS listens to the masses! Our cries have not fallen on deaf ears!
4. X800+ performance - Knew it, wasn't surprised. Nice to see mentioned in the article though.
5. X3DAudio - Glad to hear DirectSound3D was abandoned for something more Hi quality. 7.1 here we come?
6. USB 2.0 - Will we be able to use our DiskOnKeys for memory cards???
CONS:
1. Standard DVD drive - Oh well, I'm still holding out the DVD Forum/HD-DVD producers get their ass in gear.
2. The Camera - Whooptie-goddamn-do. I don't like the Eye-Toy and I don't think I'll like this. Maybe it will have uses, but I'm not excited about this price boosting waste of plastic. This must be meant to win over the Japanese crowd. <_<
3. Hardware decompressed Audio - Is this as bad as it sounds? <
Post by: TheMarine on March 08, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: hb2k on March 08, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: Shinamano on March 08, 2005, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Vayate on March 08, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Shinamano on March 08, 2005, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: cr_blah_blah on March 08, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Shinamano @ Mar 8 2005, 09:50 PM)
By the way how are these facts? Has MS announced this or is it more speculation?
GDC is going on right now and they've taken the specs from the alpha build and projected there. The Alpha build is what they've seen so while not everything is set in stone it is pretty close <
Post by: LenteSubigo on March 08, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
Xbox 2 cpu - 18 Billion instructions per second.
Athlon XP 3200+ - 19.8 Billion instructions per second.
So, the Xbox 2 doesn't beat the best PC's CPU speeds. But, it also doesn't have a large OS to eat up alot of the power. So, the xbox 2 should be able to match or beat the best computers, but not by much.
The 256Mb of system ram is pleanty, because there isn't a huge os to steal most of the ram like a pc, and programmers can use the memory much more effeciently. So 256Mb for the xbox = 1Gb for the PC.
There is 1 thing I don't like about the xbox 2 specs. It doesn't have support for HD-DVD media. I would like to see it support HD-DVD media, but sell any games that don't require the extra space on dual layer original dvd's.
I also don't like the idea of important pieces of hardware being optional(Hard Drive.)
And I would be willing to bet that M$ will not include the usb2.0 camera in the default hardware, it will be an optional accessory. <
Post by: Shinamano on March 08, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 8 2005, 04:07 PM)
The cpu isn't as impressive as I had expeted. 3Ghz capable of 6 instructions per cycle, compared a 2.2Ghz Atlon XP at 9 instructions per cycle.
Xbox 2 cpu - 18 Billion instructions per second.
Athlon XP 3200+ - 19.8 Billion instructions per second.
So, the Xbox 2 doesn't beat the best PC's CPU speeds. But, it also doesn't have a large OS to eat up alot of the power. So, the xbox 2 should be able to match or beat the best computers, but not by much.
The 256Mb of system ram is pleanty, because there isn't a huge os to steal most of the ram like a pc, and programmers can use the memory much more effeciently. So 256Mb for the xbox = 1Gb for the PC.
There is 1 thing I don't like about the xbox 2 specs. It doesn't have support for HD-DVD media. I would like to see it support HD-DVD media, but sell any games that don't require the extra space on dual layer original dvd's.
I also don't like the idea of important pieces of hardware being optional(Hard Drive.)
And I would be willing to bet that M$ will not include the usb2.0 camera in the default hardware, it will be an optional accessory.
Xbox 2 cpu - 18 Billion instructions per second.
Athlon XP 3200+ - 19.8 Billion instructions per second.
So, the Xbox 2 doesn't beat the best PC's CPU speeds. But, it also doesn't have a large OS to eat up alot of the power. So, the xbox 2 should be able to match or beat the best computers, but not by much.
The 256Mb of system ram is pleanty, because there isn't a huge os to steal most of the ram like a pc, and programmers can use the memory much more effeciently. So 256Mb for the xbox = 1Gb for the PC.
There is 1 thing I don't like about the xbox 2 specs. It doesn't have support for HD-DVD media. I would like to see it support HD-DVD media, but sell any games that don't require the extra space on dual layer original dvd's.
I also don't like the idea of important pieces of hardware being optional(Hard Drive.)
And I would be willing to bet that M$ will not include the usb2.0 camera in the default hardware, it will be an optional accessory.
I am a bit dissapointed with the specs. I don't know about the CPU info you gave as I have no idea how that works.
But I think it's a mistake to not use HD-DVD instead of DVD-9.
As far as the RAM, I understand that 256 is more than on the PC but i'm comparing to the PS3 which will include 512 MB and the X-box has much less.
Also they should've included the HD with the system. It just makes sense considering Sony is planning to.
I truly am not very impressed.
I'm still going to buy it as soon as it comes out but I also bought a Japaneese Dreamcast and 3DO so that's no great feat.
<
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: anjilslaire on March 08, 2005, 03:56:00 PM
http://xbox.gamespy.com/
Click the big link
"The Next Xbox:
A Gamespy Exclusive"
It'll take you to the story. I tried the link, and it's bad, but the main GS link takes you to the same url. weird.
Post by: cr_blah_blah on March 08, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
BTW, it's not using a single 3.0GHz core, it's using 3
"Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores" <
Post by: MrPhunkee on March 08, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 8 2005, 10:48 PM)
One more thing, the link this guy provided doesn't work and I haven't seen this reported at any other site.
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Post by: FoeHammer05 on March 08, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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Yeah cant get enough of RAM.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 08, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
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Post by: FoeHammer05 on March 08, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 08, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 8 2005, 10:07 PM)
The cpu isn't as impressive as I had expeted. 3Ghz capable of 6 instructions per cycle, compared a 2.2Ghz Atlon XP at 9 instructions per cycle.
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(ximian @ Mar 8 2005, 05:13 PM)
Specs are looking good, especially the ram.
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Post by: mrchester on March 08, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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I think the no harddrive might be a problem because of game caching, but I'm sure MS has figured out a way to do this. The processors are amazing, but I want to see the final product to se ehow this are really implemented. 256MB is 4x that is the current gen so I'm sure it should handle well. I'm not that disappointed with the no hd-dvd... personally I think it's too early to try to introduce it to the market... It would cost way too much, and most people want have hd-dvds for probably about 2 years from now. Anyways they can fit a game unto 9 gigs. Look at the gamecube. It might cause a problem near the later part of Xenon's lifespan, but they'll manage. Plus dvd playback in consoles in crappy at best. If you want a dvd player go play one. It'll be 10x better than anything a console can give you affordably.
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Post by: kingroach on March 08, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
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For teh first genertaion games.. the powerfull processor and GPU memory will take care of lack of HD.. andthe rest of teh meory will be used as a cache so, there wont be a huge performance gap..
Though I am not impressed with teh lack of HD-DVD.. but its good for me.. I have adual layer dvd burner and I never even burmed a single sual layer dvd.. and hopefully dvd-9 prices will fall less tha 45 when teh xbox xomes out.. I just need a modchip for backup purposes and I will be set..
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 08, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
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Post by: mrchester on March 08, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: kingroach on March 08, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
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Memory Units - Xenon will use 64 MB to 1,024 MB memory cards. 8 MB is reserved for system use, leaving a 56 MB to 1,016 MB for user data.
For teh first genertaion games.. the powerfull processor and GPU memory will take care of lack of HD.. andthe rest of teh meory will be used as a cache so, there wont be a huge performance gap..
Though I am not impressed with teh lack of HD-DVD.. but its good for me.. I have adual layer dvd burner and I never even burmed a single sual layer dvd.. and hopefully dvd-9 prices will fall less tha 45 when teh xbox xomes out.. I just need a modchip for backup purposes and I will be set..
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 08, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 8 2005, 11:33 PM)
Why is the RAM looking good? The PS3 will have 512 MB, the X2 only has 256 MB.
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Post by: Charbless on March 08, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
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for a start sony will prob use cheapest ram they can get and ms will be using custom made ram so which do you think will be the best also all this info is pointless i bet the specs wont be anything like what is being released.
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Post by: veritas777 on March 08, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
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I know it's been said, BUT
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Post by: Infamous_One on March 08, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
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all that sounds cool , any news on the PS3 specs?
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Post by: wafflez on March 08, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
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um... because that's like 5 dollars! a camera is WAY more important!
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
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Post by: Charbless on March 08, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: veritas777 on March 08, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: Infamous_One on March 08, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
all that sounds cool , any news on the PS3 specs?
Post by: wafflez on March 08, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
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I understand that but my point is why can't MS include 512 MB's of RAM if Sony will?
um... because that's like 5 dollars! a camera is WAY more important!
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 08, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Mar 8 2005, 06:00 PM)
for a start sony will prob use cheapest ram they can get and ms will be using custom made ram so which do you think will be the best also all this info is pointless i bet the specs wont be anything like what is being released.
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Post by: Sord_Fish on March 08, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
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well then sounds like it will make the perfect htpc, and im sure that ms will have 512mb for the dev boxes so fingers crossed its 'easy' to install the extra ram.
also dont forget that hd-dvd will be in its early stages and with two formats competing it will be hard for them to choose the right format that would be popular 18 months down the line with films etc.
imho its a smart move, considdering that most of the games still dont fill all a single layer dvd. plus im sure once the hd-dvd market has matured a bit we hopefully be able to mod a pc drive to work with it.
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Post by: zero129 on March 08, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
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Post by: throwingks on March 08, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
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I dont think the DVD issue is an issue. By the time those HD-DVDs become mainstream it will be time for Xbox720.
Also, 256mb of RAM is a lot for a dedicated system. Xbox now only has 64 and upgrading to 128 only lets you play more MAME games. There isn't a lot of multi-tasking on a console.
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Post by: jakejackoff on March 08, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
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This is pretty low for nexgen specs the gpu is fucking perfect i like that they advanced one over the x800 but the hd and ram thats a brain buster i don't see them doing this they will want to out do sony.
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Post by: devguy on March 08, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
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I think 256mb will be fine. Also, is it DDR or SDRam? If MS uses 256mb ddr memory and Sony uses 512mb SDRam memory, aren't they about the same in performance? Or am I just totally lost?
Also, about no HD-dvd, I think that bumping up the read speed is smart, but putting it at a full 16x, or even higher, would make it a better idea. Dvd rom drives are pretty cheap nowadays and getting a faster dvd rom drive is not much of a price change. Also, maybe MS will surprise us with the Xbox 2 reading DVD-Audio discs! That is something the Blu Ray is not capable of, right? That would be really awesome as well as something to brag about!
And yeah, if they made a swappable optical bay for people who want a Hd-dvd player simply for the sake of watching Hd-dvd movies, they could buy one.
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Post by: lafiel on March 08, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
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Sony will use XDR-DRAM based on rambus technology or so:
http://www.gamespot....ws_6118242.html
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Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 08, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
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IMO i think it was a smart move about the DVD. Like it was stated above MS could thrown in the HD-DVD drive and then it be obsolute due to Blue-Ray then what do they do. I think they should keep the DVD drive for now and make whatever technology that takes over a upgrade option.
As far as the ram people dont understand that 256mb for a dedicated system is actually allot. Should they thrown in 512mb yea why not but i dont think it is a must IMO.
Now i would like to comment on the processor. There was another thread were people were saying its impossible there is no way this and that. Well i say to them what do you think now? And becouse its not vector based it will hadle the load much better then the Cell processor agian IMO. But its definetly a huge achievement to have 3-3.0ghz G5 processors on a single die and be able to make it run witout overheat problems. AMAZING!
Chris
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Post by: mbratton on March 08, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
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Post by: Sord_Fish on March 08, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
also dont forget that hd-dvd will be in its early stages and with two formats competing it will be hard for them to choose the right format that would be popular 18 months down the line with films etc.
imho its a smart move, considdering that most of the games still dont fill all a single layer dvd. plus im sure once the hd-dvd market has matured a bit we hopefully be able to mod a pc drive to work with it.
Post by: zero129 on March 08, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
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Post by: throwingks on March 08, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Also, 256mb of RAM is a lot for a dedicated system. Xbox now only has 64 and upgrading to 128 only lets you play more MAME games. There isn't a lot of multi-tasking on a console.
Post by: jakejackoff on March 08, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: devguy on March 08, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
I think 256mb will be fine. Also, is it DDR or SDRam? If MS uses 256mb ddr memory and Sony uses 512mb SDRam memory, aren't they about the same in performance? Or am I just totally lost?
Also, about no HD-dvd, I think that bumping up the read speed is smart, but putting it at a full 16x, or even higher, would make it a better idea. Dvd rom drives are pretty cheap nowadays and getting a faster dvd rom drive is not much of a price change. Also, maybe MS will surprise us with the Xbox 2 reading DVD-Audio discs! That is something the Blu Ray is not capable of, right? That would be really awesome as well as something to brag about!
And yeah, if they made a swappable optical bay for people who want a Hd-dvd player simply for the sake of watching Hd-dvd movies, they could buy one.
Post by: lafiel on March 08, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(devguy @ Mar 9 2005, 01:08 AM)
Cool link.
I think 256mb will be fine. Also, is it DDR or SDRam? If MS uses 256mb ddr memory and Sony uses 512mb SDRam memory, aren't they about the same in performance? Or am I just totally lost?
I think 256mb will be fine. Also, is it DDR or SDRam? If MS uses 256mb ddr memory and Sony uses 512mb SDRam memory, aren't they about the same in performance? Or am I just totally lost?
Sony will use XDR-DRAM based on rambus technology or so:
http://www.gamespot....ws_6118242.html
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 08, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
As far as the ram people dont understand that 256mb for a dedicated system is actually allot. Should they thrown in 512mb yea why not but i dont think it is a must IMO.
Now i would like to comment on the processor. There was another thread were people were saying its impossible there is no way this and that. Well i say to them what do you think now? And becouse its not vector based it will hadle the load much better then the Cell processor agian IMO. But its definetly a huge achievement to have 3-3.0ghz G5 processors on a single die and be able to make it run witout overheat problems. AMAZING!
Chris
Post by: mbratton on March 08, 2005, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 8 2005, 10:07 PM)
The cpu isn't as impressive as I had expeted. 3Ghz capable of 6 instructions per cycle, compared a 2.2Ghz Atlon XP at 9 instructions per cycle.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mbratton on March 08, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
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Post by: mbratton on March 08, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 9 2005, 01:43 AM)
What about the fact that the Power PC are 64-bit vs 32-bit for the P4?
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Post by: uncletammy on March 08, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
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oooh, i like Rambus. Its real fast. Like many others, I hate the cam. It better be an aftermarket add on because it wont be worth the price hike. It probably will be. Anything M$ can do to make you spend more money on something you shouldnt have to. Crooks. What are the price speculations on this bad boy when its released?
I am willing to pay $300 for it. Not a penny more unless they make the dashboard open source and provide software so we can back up our games. Haha. Im guessing it will be $399.
Any idea when it will hit the streets?
Hopefully the modding scene has given Mr. Gates an idea as to what direction the consumers want console gaming to go. I think we will be pleased with new box overall. If the've listened to us at all, we can expect stuff like streaming audio/video, lots of internet capabilities, skinning and customizing, maybe news feeds, instant messaging and new communication possibilities. I think it will be very appealing to the eyes, transparent and bright.
Im thinking it probably wont be very modable. What does everyone else think? I dont think they are going to let us have too much fun with it. But...they can only keep it unmodable to a certain point. After that, the system loses functionality and people wont want to buy it any way. Heads up everyone. The next generation of console gaming is at hand...and it looks nice.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: nova805 on March 08, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
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Post by: BlueCELL on March 08, 2005, 07:18:00 PM
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Later
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Jagosix on March 08, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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, I'm looking forward to having a new xbox in the house. The specs are way kool .
. The ability to add your own mp3/wma music to any game is a definite plus, because there are some games (we all have experienced this) that have very terrible music in them. That can be done is some xbox games . Sony & Nintendo need to take notes on this ability. Every game with xbox live is kool also.
You can learn something from everybody.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: zikronix on March 08, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
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i just want to see a fucking picture of the sombitch
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: LenteSubigo on March 08, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
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Post by: uncletammy on March 08, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
I am willing to pay $300 for it. Not a penny more unless they make the dashboard open source and provide software so we can back up our games. Haha. Im guessing it will be $399.
Any idea when it will hit the streets?
Hopefully the modding scene has given Mr. Gates an idea as to what direction the consumers want console gaming to go. I think we will be pleased with new box overall. If the've listened to us at all, we can expect stuff like streaming audio/video, lots of internet capabilities, skinning and customizing, maybe news feeds, instant messaging and new communication possibilities. I think it will be very appealing to the eyes, transparent and bright.
Im thinking it probably wont be very modable. What does everyone else think? I dont think they are going to let us have too much fun with it. But...they can only keep it unmodable to a certain point. After that, the system loses functionality and people wont want to buy it any way. Heads up everyone. The next generation of console gaming is at hand...and it looks nice.
Post by: nova805 on March 08, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: BlueCELL on March 08, 2005, 07:18:00 PM
Later
Post by: Jagosix on March 08, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
, I'm looking forward to having a new xbox in the house. The specs are way kool . . The ability to add your own mp3/wma music to any game is a definite plus, because there are some games (we all have experienced this) that have very terrible music in them. That can be done is some xbox games . Sony & Nintendo need to take notes on this ability. Every game with xbox live is kool also. You can learn something from everybody
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Post by: zikronix on March 08, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: LenteSubigo on March 08, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE(mbratton @ Mar 8 2005, 06:41 PM)
that's the most half-assed comment i've heard in a long time.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: m_hael on March 08, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
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Post by: m_hael on March 08, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
QUOTE(SpectralWolf @ Mar 8 2005, 06:45 PM)
Where's mikeandbandit and m_hael? I figured mike would be all over this thread by now.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 08, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
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Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 08, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
QUOTE(m_hael @ Mar 8 2005, 06:35 PM)
monitoring but pretty ill at the mo... chest infection AND throat infection at the same time ...
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 08, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 08, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
QUOTE(m_hael @ Mar 8 2005, 10:35 PM)
monitoring but pretty ill at the mo... chest infection AND throat infection at the same time ...
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: m_hael on March 08, 2005, 11:24:00 PM
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Post by: m_hael on March 08, 2005, 11:24:00 PM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 8 2005, 07:53 PM)
Who is comparing raw clock speeds?
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: LenteSubigo on March 09, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
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3 X 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores
"Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle"
That means each core does 3,000,000 x 2 = 6,000,000 instructions per second.
So, all three combined do 6,000,000 x 3 = 18,000,000(18 Billion) instructions per second.
These PowerPC cores are 32 bit processors (not 32 + 32 + 32, just 32). So, the instructions per second can be compared accurately to any 32 bit processor.
Amd Athlon XP 3200+ (32 bit)
1 Core @ 2.2 Ghz capable of 9 instructions per cycle.
2,200,000 x 9 = 19,800,000(19.8 Billion) instructions per cycle.
So, the Xbox 2's processor is slower than a Athlon Xp 3200+.
But, I don't understand why everyone thinks that MS is going to build a gaming console with all the hardware from a $2000 gaming pc and sell it for $300-350. This console is going to rock, the processor isn't going to be the fastest retail processor ever made, but it will still kick most pc's asses.
5,131,000 instructions per second for the original xbox.
19,000,000 instructions per second for the Xbox-2.
Thats nearly 4 times as fast, and then you add a video card that is 4 times as powerful, and 4 or more times the ram (and faster ram at that). What you get is one hell of a nice console.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 01:21:00 AM
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Post by: LenteSubigo on March 09, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
QUOTE(cr_blah_blah @ Mar 8 2005, 01:19 PM)
CPU - Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores. Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle and has an L1 cache with 32 KB for data and 32 KB for instructions. The three cores share 1 MB of L2 cache. Alpha 2 developer kits currently have two cores instead of three.
3 X 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores
"Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle"
That means each core does 3,000,000 x 2 = 6,000,000 instructions per second.
So, all three combined do 6,000,000 x 3 = 18,000,000(18 Billion) instructions per second.
These PowerPC cores are 32 bit processors (not 32 + 32 + 32, just 32). So, the instructions per second can be compared accurately to any 32 bit processor.
Amd Athlon XP 3200+ (32 bit)
1 Core @ 2.2 Ghz capable of 9 instructions per cycle.
2,200,000 x 9 = 19,800,000(19.8 Billion) instructions per cycle.
So, the Xbox 2's processor is slower than a Athlon Xp 3200+.
But, I don't understand why everyone thinks that MS is going to build a gaming console with all the hardware from a $2000 gaming pc and sell it for $300-350. This console is going to rock, the processor isn't going to be the fastest retail processor ever made, but it will still kick most pc's asses.
5,131,000 instructions per second for the original xbox.
19,000,000 instructions per second for the Xbox-2.
Thats nearly 4 times as fast, and then you add a video card that is 4 times as powerful, and 4 or more times the ram (and faster ram at that). What you get is one hell of a nice console.
Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 01:21:00 AM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 8 2005, 11:25 PM)
These PowerPC cores are 32 bit processors (not 32 + 32 + 32, just 32). So, the instructions per second can be compared accurately to any 32 bit processor.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: rhl958 on March 09, 2005, 01:46:00 AM
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I'd just like to remind those that have forgotten the specs for xbox
CPU: 733 MHz chip crafted by Intel
Graphics Processor: 250MHz XGPU, developed by MS and nVIDIA
Total Memory: 64 MB running at 200MHz DDR (Double-Data-Rate)
Its hard to emagine that people are still dissopointed in the specs for Xenon I mean come on from what we some what know about Xenon were looking at about 10 times more power than xbox if it were any more your looking at spending $1,000 so if your one of those that are dissopointed why dont you just get yourself a better PC not that it will help you any seeing how things are looking like Xenon will have more gameing power then most high end PC's that are available now
just remember there are no official facts about Xenon the only thing we know for sure is its gona be alot better than xbox
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: miggidy on March 09, 2005, 02:01:00 AM
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: MaDDaWg836 on March 09, 2005, 02:10:00 AM
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, my comp cost a good penny, anyone else wondering how all these "high tech" things will play a role in $ for the Xbox 2? i mean, are they building a console or a freakin' computer?
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: blah101 on March 09, 2005, 02:15:00 AM
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well if the 3 different versions of the xbox come out then the 3rd version in respect is a PC.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: blah101 on March 09, 2005, 02:20:00 AM
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heh.. can you imagine some pci slots on the xbox 2 for further expansion.. that would mean throwing the warranty out the window. the video camera so far is the only thing that has suprised me
hmm xbox 2 or as i like to call it the OMFG Box
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 06:22:00 AM
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ok its obvious i need to explain some things at this point,
IBM has developed a revision to the G5 processor, and while the arch has changes somewhat, they are still labeling it as a G5. it features spus, similar to cell's around the ppc core. so in effect it is NOT a standard G5, and will be FASTER than a desktop g5 in boith general processing and graphics rendering thanks to the spus. i dont understand how anyone could think that a tri-core design with each running at 3 Ghz and and spus surrounding the core, is slower, than a desktop pc! trying to compare the two is like trying to compare the Gflops of a graphics card and the Gflops of a general processor! IT DOESNT WORK! you will get inflated numbers from a gpu because it processes specific types of data. It doesnt work. the best we have to go on is benchmarks. which provide a much more accurate representation. I would also like to further add that the reason mac games get lower benchmarks is because they are all written in openGL and are not optimized for mac, but rather lazily ported to it. oh and yes the cell will have a single ppc but it also acts as a controller to the spus, handles branch predicition, and various other processes in addition to its cpu duties, so it will be pretty taxed and occupied. its also worth noting that the cell ppc core is also built on the new arch and thus is not really comparable to a g5, or rather it will run fasteer than a g5
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: villevalo on March 09, 2005, 07:10:00 AM
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I still think the new xbox should have 512mb RAM. Imagine the possibilties for game modders once the system is cracked!
"I feel like making a new level for TES: Oblivion" damn, my computers down for the day. WAIT! I can open xbox-linux and use 3DSMAX right here on my xbox!"
Just wishfull thinking I guess.....
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 09, 2005, 10:58:00 AM
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Post by: rhl958 on March 09, 2005, 01:46:00 AM
CPU: 733 MHz chip crafted by Intel
Graphics Processor: 250MHz XGPU, developed by MS and nVIDIA
Total Memory: 64 MB running at 200MHz DDR (Double-Data-Rate)
Its hard to emagine that people are still dissopointed in the specs for Xenon I mean come on from what we some what know about Xenon were looking at about 10 times more power than xbox if it were any more your looking at spending $1,000 so if your one of those that are dissopointed why dont you just get yourself a better PC not that it will help you any seeing how things are looking like Xenon will have more gameing power then most high end PC's that are available now
just remember there are no official facts about Xenon the only thing we know for sure is its gona be alot better than xbox
Post by: miggidy on March 09, 2005, 02:01:00 AM
Post by: MaDDaWg836 on March 09, 2005, 02:10:00 AM
, my comp cost a good penny, anyone else wondering how all these "high tech" things will play a role in $ for the Xbox 2? i mean, are they building a console or a freakin' computer?
Post by: blah101 on March 09, 2005, 02:15:00 AM
Post by: blah101 on March 09, 2005, 02:20:00 AM
hmm xbox 2 or as i like to call it the OMFG Box
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 06:22:00 AM
ok its obvious i need to explain some things at this point,
IBM has developed a revision to the G5 processor, and while the arch has changes somewhat, they are still labeling it as a G5. it features spus, similar to cell's around the ppc core. so in effect it is NOT a standard G5, and will be FASTER than a desktop g5 in boith general processing and graphics rendering thanks to the spus. i dont understand how anyone could think that a tri-core design with each running at 3 Ghz and and spus surrounding the core, is slower, than a desktop pc! trying to compare the two is like trying to compare the Gflops of a graphics card and the Gflops of a general processor! IT DOESNT WORK! you will get inflated numbers from a gpu because it processes specific types of data. It doesnt work. the best we have to go on is benchmarks. which provide a much more accurate representation. I would also like to further add that the reason mac games get lower benchmarks is because they are all written in openGL and are not optimized for mac, but rather lazily ported to it. oh and yes the cell will have a single ppc but it also acts as a controller to the spus, handles branch predicition, and various other processes in addition to its cpu duties, so it will be pretty taxed and occupied. its also worth noting that the cell ppc core is also built on the new arch and thus is not really comparable to a g5, or rather it will run fasteer than a g5
Post by: villevalo on March 09, 2005, 07:10:00 AM
"I feel like making a new level for TES: Oblivion" damn, my computers down for the day. WAIT! I can open xbox-linux and use 3DSMAX right here on my xbox!"
Just wishfull thinking I guess.....
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 09, 2005, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(m_hael @ Mar 8 2005, 09:35 PM)
monitoring but pretty ill at the mo... chest infection AND throat infection at the same time ...
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Thurizaz on March 09, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
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Post by: Thurizaz on March 09, 2005, 11:47:00 AM
QUOTE(m_hael @ Mar 9 2005, 03:35 AM)
monitoring but pretty ill at the mo... chest infection AND throat infection at the same time ...
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: whet1134 on March 09, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
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Post by: whet1134 on March 09, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Thurizaz @ Mar 9 2005, 06:53 PM)
GCN has actually 48MB of ram.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
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Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Thurizaz @ Mar 9 2005, 10:53 AM)
GCN has actually 48MB of ram.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
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Post by: m_hael on March 09, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(LenteSubigo @ Mar 9 2005, 10:19 AM)
These cores aren't based on the G5, and they aren't 64 bit.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: kliend on March 09, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: wasting on March 09, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
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no. but im glad they are making all games hd ready
Users with standard televisions needn't worry; 16:9 content will be letterboxed to fit within a 4:3 aspect ratio by default. Developers are being instructed to make sure that any critical text will fit into and look good in 4:3.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
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Post by: kliend on March 09, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: wasting on March 09, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
Users with standard televisions needn't worry; 16:9 content will be letterboxed to fit within a 4:3 aspect ratio by default. Developers are being instructed to make sure that any critical text will fit into and look good in 4:3.
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(kliend @ Mar 9 2005, 04:57 PM)
are they saying you have to have a HDTV to play stuff????
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: wasting on March 09, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
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Post by: wasting on March 09, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 9 2005, 04:20 PM)
they'll even take it a step further and store all your profile/stats/save games and whatnot online so all you need is your gamer tag and your password (voice password anyone?)
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
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I imagine ANY sort of Password protection would be at risk... Even button combinations on the controller (a-la mortal Kombat) Think about it. you only have what? 14 buttons? if the password is 5 or 8 characters long it wouldn't take you that long to crack. I'm sure most people (like with the mortal Kombat passwords) would just make it AAAAA which would probably be the first combination you'd try if you were going to crack it too.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Bigsam411 on March 09, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
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Ok I have 2 things to say.
1. to all the people that think there should be different versions of xenon with different memory and different drives I have to say this. if that were to happen then the game developers would have to design the game to work on different configurations and eventually it will be like programming for the pc. This is a console remember one game for Xenon is supposed to be compatible with all Xenons!
2. About the whole memory thing I think that 256 mb is more than enough. Think of it like this: I have a gig of ram in my pc and windows and other background apps are using up 410 mb. That is alot but when I boot up say half life 2 it only takes up an extra 128 or 256 depending on what I have graphics set at. So what i am trying to say is that as long as xenon doesn't become this big multitasking machine that runs a million things in the backround 256mb should be fine.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mrchester on March 09, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
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Them benchmarks are set at 1600x1200. TVs are like 720 in HD
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: derblack31 on March 09, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
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I think the camera is cool, as long as it comes as an add-on...
and I just hope they'll integrate a hd
ppc sounds good...
All else I can say is: I CAN'T WAIT...
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
I imagine ANY sort of Password protection would be at risk... Even button combinations on the controller (a-la mortal Kombat) Think about it. you only have what? 14 buttons? if the password is 5 or 8 characters long it wouldn't take you that long to crack. I'm sure most people (like with the mortal Kombat passwords) would just make it AAAAA which would probably be the first combination you'd try if you were going to crack it too.
Post by: Bigsam411 on March 09, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
1. to all the people that think there should be different versions of xenon with different memory and different drives I have to say this. if that were to happen then the game developers would have to design the game to work on different configurations and eventually it will be like programming for the pc. This is a console remember one game for Xenon is supposed to be compatible with all Xenons!
2. About the whole memory thing I think that 256 mb is more than enough. Think of it like this: I have a gig of ram in my pc and windows and other background apps are using up 410 mb. That is alot but when I boot up say half life 2 it only takes up an extra 128 or 256 depending on what I have graphics set at. So what i am trying to say is that as long as xenon doesn't become this big multitasking machine that runs a million things in the backround 256mb should be fine.
Post by: mrchester on March 09, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: derblack31 on March 09, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
and I just hope they'll integrate a hd
ppc sounds good...
All else I can say is: I CAN'T WAIT...
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 9 2005, 02:06 PM)
http://www.barefeats.com/mac2pc.html
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mrbelvedere on March 09, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
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I think MS is just throwing a curve ball to Sony, afterall, all specifications are subject to change.
Also having hdd as an optional addon sucks, if game developers will have to develop for users without the hdd for cache, then they probably wouldn't develop the games for both.
Only other thing I could think of would be some sort of integrated flash memory that could be used for cache, there are high capacity flash memory chips available...
On the HDTV thing: great make all games support HD, but my TV only supports 480p and 1080i. But not 720p, make them all 1080i and I will be very happy
Edit: sorry double post
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: leo5111 on March 09, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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in regards to cpu power the g5 processor was running at 2.5 ghz the xenon its 3 3.0 ghz cores on 1 chip so im sure results would be much more impressive also as many people have stated the windows os sucks up a lot of ram and cpu power even though you are playing a game and not using windows just once id like to see someone make a game like half life 2 boot by itself no windows componets and see how fast it would run
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 06:56:00 PM
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Post by: mrbelvedere on March 09, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
I think MS is just throwing a curve ball to Sony, afterall, all specifications are subject to change.
Also having hdd as an optional addon sucks, if game developers will have to develop for users without the hdd for cache, then they probably wouldn't develop the games for both.
Only other thing I could think of would be some sort of integrated flash memory that could be used for cache, there are high capacity flash memory chips available...
On the HDTV thing: great make all games support HD, but my TV only supports 480p and 1080i. But not 720p, make them all 1080i and I will be very happy
Edit: sorry double post
Post by: leo5111 on March 09, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 06:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 9 2005, 01:04 PM)
1. Is the 3 Core, 3.0 Ghz Power PC processor a more powerful CPU than had MS gone with an FX 55 in your opinion?
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mrbelvedere on March 09, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
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Post by: mrbelvedere on March 09, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE(2K4EVOVIII @ Mar 9 2005, 11:35 PM)
Now with the Xenon we are dealing with 3 of those processors on 1 die.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on March 09, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(mrbelvedere @ Mar 9 2005, 09:47 PM)
There's no way this is a tri-core processor. We don't even have dual core proceessors to market yet. It has got to be three individual processors.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 09, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 09, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 10 2005, 02:59 AM)
yeah you're totally right... everything that will ever be done has already been done. if it hasn't been done yet you'll never see it heaven forbid a console includes never before seen technology 
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
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Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
QUOTE(mrbelvedere @ Mar 9 2005, 05:47 PM)
There's no way this is a tri-core processor. We don't even have dual core proceessors to market yet. It has got to be three individual processors.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 09, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
QUOTE(andrzejpw @ Mar 9 2005, 10:09 PM)
Uhh, no. The current dev kits is a dual G5. Not dual core, 2 seperate cpus.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
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Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on March 09, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
QUOTE(andrzejpw @ Mar 9 2005, 06:09 PM)
Uhh, no. The current dev kits is a dual G5. Not dual core, 2 seperate cpus.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: MrPhunkee on March 09, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: miggidy on March 10, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
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By the way, can someone explain to me what the fudge is a "Teraflop"?
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 10, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
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oh and a "flop" is a floating point operation per second. making a teraflop a trillion floating point operations per second. a gigaflop is a billion, and a megaflop is a million. etc.
for comparison the current Xbox can push 80 Gigaflops.
meaning that the Xbox 2 will have over 12 times the computing power of the current Xbox.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: DpJonny on March 10, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
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Wow
Im surprised that you people dont understand what these triple processors means. And for you comparing it to PCs CPU... youre wasting your time. How about this comparison Take a celeron/p3 733 with 64mb ram and a geforce3 video card and try to run some of the games that Xbox runs Its not going to happen or at least nowhere near as well. Xbox came out when there were PC CPUs at about 2.5ghz. Look how far it went with its 733mhz. The Next Xbox has three 3.0ghz processors which are all PowerPC chips I dont know if you understand what a PowerPC chip is, but its a Mainframe CPU 64-bits. So, ONE of these 3.0ghz chips is much faster then a Athlon XP 3200+ since the Athlon is only 32-bit and has to work about 50% harder than a 64-bit chip. Since this System claims to have THREE of these processors it doesnt mean that it equates to 9ghz lol. When you dual up a CPU on a PC you get about a 30% performance boost but thats not the real reason for having a Dual Processor. When you add an additional processor it not only boosts the speed by 30% but it doubles the about of load the CPU can handle. So if will be processing a little faster, but it will be able to do much more at once.
For example: I used to have a Dual P3 500mhz machine and I compared it to the performance of the current fastest CPU at the time, which was a 1.4ghz P4 The P4 BARLY beat me on CPU performance, But my Dual P3s beat out the P4 on CPU load and capacity Not to mention I preferred using the Dual P3 because I would be able to do more at once with out my computer lagging up, Such as Extracting an ISO, Encoding a Divx movie, having AIM, MSN and yahoo messengers open, and switching between Photoshop and Dreamweaver. All of which had no problem at all. But my P4 choked like hell when I tried to do stuff like that.
Anyways, if this next Xbox has three CPUs all at 3ghz There will be NO PC that will match its speed. Even a Dual Athlon 64 FX-55 probably wont beat it out for gaming.
Since it has the X800 there will be a lot of cool things coming from this system. If you remember playing Halo on Xbox when it came out it ran perfectly And now when you play HaloPC you have to have a video card thats around the speed of a Radeon 9600pro to match the performance. So this X800 probably wont be able to be touched for some time. I believe that this Xbox will beat out the PS3 since Sony will be using new experimental hardware. The Xbox will be using technology thats been proven to be perfect and that will be rapidly advancing since its using DirectX and they are constantly upgrading its capability. And with them requiring the next Xbox to support HD 720p thats awesome. PCs have been running games at HD resolutions for some time now so Im sure this will go over very well with the X800 on this Xbox, Its not too hard for a Video card to crank out 1280x720 Thats all for me TTYL Contact me if you want to discuss something.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Shinamano on March 10, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
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After watching Allard's speech I can safely say that M$ has struck Sony with a critical blow. Right on their grill!
- Got a link to the video? Thanks.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: miggidy on March 10, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
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Mike,
thanx for the info.
It looks like the Xbox Next is going to kick some serious ass!
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: Wicked_Vengence on March 10, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
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Just to add my 2 cents on hardware specs....
First, if memory serves, Xenon will use the NEXT generation of chip (i.e. something beyond the x800). To quote Gamespy... "Xenon's GPU is a generation beyond the ATI X800. Its clock speed is 500 MHz and it supports Shader 3.0" which is something that the X800 doesn't do, currently.
Second, multiprocessing. The previous post by Mikeandbandit is useful, but still doesn't do full justice to the multiple cores...
The greatest issue with multiprocessing is cache coherency. Effectively, if more than one processor works one a program, they may not have the proper cache lined up (mainly because another processor was previously working on the information) and multi threaded apps (designed to add affinity to a processor to avoid cache problems) not being very common. If the X2 is using a shared L2 cache as indicated (instead of one per processor as is typical) and the games are written to take advantage of multithreading, the 30% increase per processor could easily be much higher.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: whet1134 on March 10, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
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I just watched the speech on IGN. Pretty compelling information. I liked two things that I saw/heard on it:
1. While explaining the warning system that's being implemented into the GUI, a "Controller Battery Dead" and it showed an S Controller. I know it could just be a place holder, but that's very exciting to see that warning there because it alludes to first party wireless controllers.
2. He talked alot about being able to connect to hotspots all over the place and then he went onto explaining bringing that wireless (cellular, wi-fi, etc.) access to the Xbox2. I guess that alludes to a wireless network card.
3. As said before, the HD Era strongly hints at HD-DVD. I agree, the GAMES may be on DVD-9 discs, but the drive still might be able to play movies. I'm still hopeful.
Anyway, check it out on IGN if you haven't seen it, the GUI in motion is kinda neat.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: dsl1 on March 10, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: ericdude on March 10, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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Post by: MrPhunkee on March 09, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: miggidy on March 10, 2005, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 10, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
oh and a "flop" is a floating point operation per second. making a teraflop a trillion floating point operations per second. a gigaflop is a billion, and a megaflop is a million. etc.
for comparison the current Xbox can push 80 Gigaflops.
meaning that the Xbox 2 will have over 12 times the computing power of the current Xbox.
Post by: DpJonny on March 10, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
Im surprised that you people dont understand what these triple processors means. And for you comparing it to PCs CPU... youre wasting your time. How about this comparison Take a celeron/p3 733 with 64mb ram and a geforce3 video card and try to run some of the games that Xbox runs Its not going to happen or at least nowhere near as well. Xbox came out when there were PC CPUs at about 2.5ghz. Look how far it went with its 733mhz. The Next Xbox has three 3.0ghz processors which are all PowerPC chips I dont know if you understand what a PowerPC chip is, but its a Mainframe CPU 64-bits. So, ONE of these 3.0ghz chips is much faster then a Athlon XP 3200+ since the Athlon is only 32-bit and has to work about 50% harder than a 64-bit chip. Since this System claims to have THREE of these processors it doesnt mean that it equates to 9ghz lol. When you dual up a CPU on a PC you get about a 30% performance boost but thats not the real reason for having a Dual Processor. When you add an additional processor it not only boosts the speed by 30% but it doubles the about of load the CPU can handle. So if will be processing a little faster, but it will be able to do much more at once.
For example: I used to have a Dual P3 500mhz machine and I compared it to the performance of the current fastest CPU at the time, which was a 1.4ghz P4 The P4 BARLY beat me on CPU performance, But my Dual P3s beat out the P4 on CPU load and capacity Not to mention I preferred using the Dual P3 because I would be able to do more at once with out my computer lagging up, Such as Extracting an ISO, Encoding a Divx movie, having AIM, MSN and yahoo messengers open, and switching between Photoshop and Dreamweaver. All of which had no problem at all. But my P4 choked like hell when I tried to do stuff like that.
Anyways, if this next Xbox has three CPUs all at 3ghz There will be NO PC that will match its speed. Even a Dual Athlon 64 FX-55 probably wont beat it out for gaming.
Since it has the X800 there will be a lot of cool things coming from this system. If you remember playing Halo on Xbox when it came out it ran perfectly And now when you play HaloPC you have to have a video card thats around the speed of a Radeon 9600pro to match the performance. So this X800 probably wont be able to be touched for some time. I believe that this Xbox will beat out the PS3 since Sony will be using new experimental hardware. The Xbox will be using technology thats been proven to be perfect and that will be rapidly advancing since its using DirectX and they are constantly upgrading its capability. And with them requiring the next Xbox to support HD 720p thats awesome. PCs have been running games at HD resolutions for some time now so Im sure this will go over very well with the X800 on this Xbox, Its not too hard for a Video card to crank out 1280x720 Thats all for me TTYL Contact me if you want to discuss something.
Post by: Shinamano on March 10, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
- Got a link to the video? Thanks.
Post by: miggidy on March 10, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
Mike,
thanx for the info.
It looks like the Xbox Next is going to kick some serious ass!
Post by: Wicked_Vengence on March 10, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
First, if memory serves, Xenon will use the NEXT generation of chip (i.e. something beyond the x800). To quote Gamespy... "Xenon's GPU is a generation beyond the ATI X800. Its clock speed is 500 MHz and it supports Shader 3.0" which is something that the X800 doesn't do, currently.
Second, multiprocessing. The previous post by Mikeandbandit is useful, but still doesn't do full justice to the multiple cores...
The greatest issue with multiprocessing is cache coherency. Effectively, if more than one processor works one a program, they may not have the proper cache lined up (mainly because another processor was previously working on the information) and multi threaded apps (designed to add affinity to a processor to avoid cache problems) not being very common. If the X2 is using a shared L2 cache as indicated (instead of one per processor as is typical) and the games are written to take advantage of multithreading, the 30% increase per processor could easily be much higher.
Post by: whet1134 on March 10, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
1. While explaining the warning system that's being implemented into the GUI, a "Controller Battery Dead" and it showed an S Controller. I know it could just be a place holder, but that's very exciting to see that warning there because it alludes to first party wireless controllers.
2. He talked alot about being able to connect to hotspots all over the place and then he went onto explaining bringing that wireless (cellular, wi-fi, etc.) access to the Xbox2. I guess that alludes to a wireless network card.
3. As said before, the HD Era strongly hints at HD-DVD. I agree, the GAMES may be on DVD-9 discs, but the drive still might be able to play movies. I'm still hopeful.
Anyway, check it out on IGN if you haven't seen it, the GUI in motion is kinda neat.
Post by: dsl1 on March 10, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: ericdude on March 10, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(whet1134 @ Mar 10 2005, 07:54 PM)
I just watched the speech on IGN. Pretty compelling information. I liked two things that I saw/heard on it:
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Post by: twistedsymphony on March 10, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
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Post by: twistedsymphony on March 10, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ericdude @ Mar 10 2005, 06:34 PM)
What would be the point of using an hd-dvd drive and having the games on dvd-9 discs? It's not the media that's expensive it's the hardware. I think it's a stupid move and that developers will be feeling the pinch of 7GB of storage sooner than MS thinks. I know Rockstar won't be very happy.
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Title: Xbox 2 Facts Revealed
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 10, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
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if you can fit the contents of an HD movie on a DVD then why do you need to move up to
HD-DVD, its called compression and it gets better everyday. also, what is the purpose of more storage space for games? even the textures can be done procedurally so more space is not necessary. why do people continue to ask for more without realizing what they have? i had a client who said she needed to upgrade to a pentium 4 because her dial-up was slow, its like OMG. thats what people are asking for when they ask for more memory and HD-dvd, unneccesary things that will take away from more pertinent concerns. if you want unneccessary specs get a ps3 as it will have plenty of them. im not saying the add-ons arent nice or conviant, but its like added spinning rims to a neon, or investing in a base model mustang.
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 10, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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well if SOME xbox games are hitting 7GB and this is supposedly 12xfaster i think 9GB will be a limit a year into the consel
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Post by: MetalZoic on March 10, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 10, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
HD-DVD, its called compression and it gets better everyday. also, what is the purpose of more storage space for games? even the textures can be done procedurally so more space is not necessary. why do people continue to ask for more without realizing what they have? i had a client who said she needed to upgrade to a pentium 4 because her dial-up was slow, its like OMG. thats what people are asking for when they ask for more memory and HD-dvd, unneccesary things that will take away from more pertinent concerns. if you want unneccessary specs get a ps3 as it will have plenty of them. im not saying the add-ons arent nice or conviant, but its like added spinning rims to a neon, or investing in a base model mustang.
Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 10, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: MetalZoic on March 10, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Mar 11 2005, 03:08 AM)
no game is 7 gigs, the most intensive is a pc game at around 5 gigs, which is HIGHLY uncommon, remember gamecube only had 1.5 gigs to work with
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Post by: ericdude on March 11, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
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Post by: ericdude on March 11, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Mar 11 2005, 12:17 AM)
Really? you know the guys at Rockstar? 
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 11, 2005, 06:13:00 AM
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 11, 2005, 06:13:00 AM
QUOTE(MetalZoic @ Mar 11 2005, 12:10 AM)
There are a few I can think of that are close...
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Post by: incognegro on March 11, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 11, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
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Post by: incognegro on March 11, 2005, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 11, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Mar 10 2005, 06:38 PM)
if you can fit the contents of an HD movie on a DVD then why do you need to move up to
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 11, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 11, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Mar 11 2005, 07:19 AM)
before the days of procedural synthesis, even textures can be handled procedurally. and in game movies are a thing of the past as graphhics will eventually equal them and they will be unneccessary, so movies will be rendered realtime or pre-written scripts, actually alot of content will be written by the cpu itself.
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Post by: miggidy on March 11, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
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Post by: miggidy on March 11, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 11 2005, 04:39 PM)
You CAN'T fit an HD-DVD movie on a standard DVD-9.
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Post by: whet1134 on March 11, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
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Apple just joined the Blu-Ray group. That may be very bad news for HD-DVD. The BDA has really gotten some muscle behind it. I also think it's funny how Apple chose the tech that MS is not backing. It's like kindergarden. Haha, prolly just a coincidence tho.
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Post by: nitussi on March 11, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
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256MB's of ram is pretty good being that its system ram. I automaticaly assumed that does not include the dedicated grafix ram that would probably be either 64MB's or 128MB's. It would be a sin to have next generation console sharing ram with everything else.
The processor speed(if correct)is amazing for a console. But you will need a lot of power to run a game at perfect resolution with all effects on, on a HDTV. The present xbox can do some amazing effects but it just not powerful enough to do the effects 100 percent of the time. Games like Halo 2 pushed the limit of the xbox(heck the first Halo did that!). Even though the X2 processor is amazing, it would probably be a watered down version of the actual proccessor thats on the market. Just like the current xbox processor is a water down pentium 3.
Im glad they chose to stick with dvd9, 8 to 9 gigs is plenty of space to make any good game.
Optional HD is cool, I guess.
I just hope the system isnt big and bulky, which is probably the main reason why the xbox had a slow start. Especially in Japan.
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Post by: nitussi on March 11, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
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The xbox is runing pentium 3 extentions with cache equivalent to a celeron.
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Post by: dsl1 on March 11, 2005, 10:52:00 AM
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Post by: whet1134 on March 11, 2005, 09:40:00 AM
Post by: nitussi on March 11, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
The processor speed(if correct)is amazing for a console. But you will need a lot of power to run a game at perfect resolution with all effects on, on a HDTV. The present xbox can do some amazing effects but it just not powerful enough to do the effects 100 percent of the time. Games like Halo 2 pushed the limit of the xbox(heck the first Halo did that!). Even though the X2 processor is amazing, it would probably be a watered down version of the actual proccessor thats on the market. Just like the current xbox processor is a water down pentium 3.
Im glad they chose to stick with dvd9, 8 to 9 gigs is plenty of space to make any good game.
Optional HD is cool, I guess.
I just hope the system isnt big and bulky, which is probably the main reason why the xbox had a slow start. Especially in Japan.
Post by: nitussi on March 11, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: dsl1 on March 11, 2005, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Mar 11 2005, 09:44 AM)
But you can fit video clips.
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Post by: ericdude on March 11, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
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Post by: ericdude on March 11, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(No Name @ Mar 11 2005, 08:08 PM)
The one thing I don't like is 256 MB of memory. I'm not saying they should use 512 because that would just be over kill. But what if they went right in between and used 384 MB. That seems like it would be perfect and make things a lot easier when porting between systems, especially if the ps3 has 512, and pc games are going to be a lot more demanding in the next years.
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 11, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
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god the X2 must be more powerful, or else we will have sony fanboys strutting there stuff about it being more powerful, i hope the graphics chip on the ps3 blows
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Post by: mario_ps2 on March 11, 2005, 11:51:00 PM
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..but that's asking for too much...
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Post by: FrIeD-GoAt on March 12, 2005, 06:54:00 AM
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who gives a crap if they use HD-DVD or not? high definition in games doesnt increase the size of them at all, and i doubt developers are going to be using 7 gigs for a game at this time in present, besides the lasy ones who dont bother to compress anything.
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Post by: dsl1 on March 12, 2005, 07:05:00 AM
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Post by: Ballz2TheWallz on March 11, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: mario_ps2 on March 11, 2005, 11:51:00 PM
..but that's asking for too much...
Post by: FrIeD-GoAt on March 12, 2005, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: dsl1 on March 12, 2005, 07:05:00 AM
QUOTE(FrIeD-GoAt @ Mar 12 2005, 07:00 AM)
who gives a crap if they use HD-DVD or not? high definition in games doesnt increase the size of them at all.
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Post by: m_hael on March 12, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
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Post by: m_hael on March 12, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(FrIeD-GoAt @ Mar 12 2005, 08:13 AM)
im sorry, i didnt realise changing a resolution increases game size.
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 13, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 13, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(enderandrew @ Mar 13 2005, 11:48 PM)
M$ is ushering in a HD era, save for playing HD movies. Why would anyone want to do that?
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Post by: enderandrew on March 14, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
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There are already movies on the market for Blu-Ray players, and Blu-Ray players on the market. Yet the WM9 format has been on the market for years, and I know of only one movie that supports it.
A whopping one movie.
That's not exactly ushering in an era.
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Post by: miggidy on March 14, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
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The only specs Sony has announced about the PS3 is a cell cpu and an Nvidia gpu....
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Post by: nitussi on March 15, 2005, 06:04:00 AM
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Seven to eight GIGs is more than enough to make a game. Judging by the power of the processor, if developers needed to put more data on the disk, they could compress it..prob 3:1 or maybe 20:1.
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Post by: KingViper on March 15, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
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"Wow, I bet the xbox2 will be really fast...and stuff"
"Hey, they should use HD Discs"
"They should put 512mb ram in it..that would be neat-o"
Ok, please..stop posting the same stuff in here...we've all heard this crap already.
Also, people posting saying that the PowerPC cores are going to be seperate CPUs are ridiculous. AMD and Intel have dual core processors that will be released very soon, Intel in the first half of 05..and AMD in the second half. So, saying that this is going to be impossible to have 3 cores on one cpu..is just insane. But what is it you say...they dont have tri-core CPU's yet? Well, have we seen ATI's next generation g-card yet? Nope, and we haven't seen tri-core CPU's yet..and still..they are claimed to be on the next xbox. They will be..putting three seperate CPU's in a computer is a waste of money and space. Each CPU will have to connect to the northbridge seperatly, and have its own memory. If each core is on one die..they link them together directly and have 1 bank of memory...thats why AMD's dual core processors will be compatible with most current S939 motherboards.
In addition, you can't directly compare the processes of each core and decide which one is faster. In a standard environment..if an Athlon XP 3200+ can do X number of processes in a second compared to the three cores doing Y number of processes, you must take into consideration that since there are 3 cores..they can each be doing different things. 33% of the core could be processing physics, 33% could be decompressing audio, and the other 33% could be doing something else. On a single core processor (besides intels hyperthreading), the core can only work on 1 thing.
Another thing I noticed is that somebody posted saying that a 32bit processor has to work twice as hard as a 64bit processor to do the same thing. I think that person should stop posting.
Anyway, the system is going to be "bada$$" and there is no way of knowing whats gonna be in it. The dev systems for the first generation xbox had 128mb of ram..so if dev systems for the xbox 2 have 256...who can say that thats whats going to be in the final thing? Maybe it will only be 128. (I'm not saying thats the case) Just realize that anything can be changed at anytime.
ggkthxbai~
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 15, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
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Post by: enderandrew on March 14, 2005, 07:22:00 AM
A whopping one movie.
That's not exactly ushering in an era.
Post by: miggidy on March 14, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: nitussi on March 15, 2005, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: KingViper on March 15, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
"Hey, they should use HD Discs"
"They should put 512mb ram in it..that would be neat-o"
Ok, please..stop posting the same stuff in here...we've all heard this crap already.
Also, people posting saying that the PowerPC cores are going to be seperate CPUs are ridiculous. AMD and Intel have dual core processors that will be released very soon, Intel in the first half of 05..and AMD in the second half. So, saying that this is going to be impossible to have 3 cores on one cpu..is just insane. But what is it you say...they dont have tri-core CPU's yet? Well, have we seen ATI's next generation g-card yet? Nope, and we haven't seen tri-core CPU's yet..and still..they are claimed to be on the next xbox. They will be..putting three seperate CPU's in a computer is a waste of money and space. Each CPU will have to connect to the northbridge seperatly, and have its own memory. If each core is on one die..they link them together directly and have 1 bank of memory...thats why AMD's dual core processors will be compatible with most current S939 motherboards.
In addition, you can't directly compare the processes of each core and decide which one is faster. In a standard environment..if an Athlon XP 3200+ can do X number of processes in a second compared to the three cores doing Y number of processes, you must take into consideration that since there are 3 cores..they can each be doing different things. 33% of the core could be processing physics, 33% could be decompressing audio, and the other 33% could be doing something else. On a single core processor (besides intels hyperthreading), the core can only work on 1 thing.
Another thing I noticed is that somebody posted saying that a 32bit processor has to work twice as hard as a 64bit processor to do the same thing. I think that person should stop posting.
Anyway, the system is going to be "bada$$" and there is no way of knowing whats gonna be in it. The dev systems for the first generation xbox had 128mb of ram..so if dev systems for the xbox 2 have 256...who can say that thats whats going to be in the final thing? Maybe it will only be 128. (I'm not saying thats the case) Just realize that anything can be changed at anytime.
ggkthxbai~
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 15, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Tatersaladx @ Mar 15 2005, 08:09 PM)
First off, I think Xbox 2 sould use 512MB of PC 1066 of Rambus, it may be exspensive as hell but it owns DDR. AlsoI honestly dont like theIdea of POWER PC CPUs Im not an Apple guy, I think the CPU use in Xbox 2 shoudl be one of the new Pentium 4 64 bits, It'll won the hell out of anything AMD will throw at it, and Apple products just suck.
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Post by: Moleman on March 15, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
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I would much prefer AMD to Intel if it comes to that, but Power PC based processors are definitely the way to go for X2.
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Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 16, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
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But you don't know anything about the Dual cores yet. Who knows if Intel will outperform AMD in gaming when the industry goes to multiple cores?
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 16, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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Post by: Moleman on March 15, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: Wedding-shirt on March 16, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
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You have no clue what you're talking about.
Intel makes one 64-bit chip, and it's the Itanium which sucks.
The EMT 64 is a 32-bit processor that can handle some 64 bit operations. It is slower than the AMD processor in gaming, and runs slower when you install a 64 bit operating system since it's not really a 64-bit chip.
The entry level Intel chip is over $100 more expensive than the entry level AMD 64-bit chip, and yet runs slower. One reviewer also noted the Intel's run extremely hot out of the box as well.
Intel makes one 64-bit chip, and it's the Itanium which sucks.
The EMT 64 is a 32-bit processor that can handle some 64 bit operations. It is slower than the AMD processor in gaming, and runs slower when you install a 64 bit operating system since it's not really a 64-bit chip.
The entry level Intel chip is over $100 more expensive than the entry level AMD 64-bit chip, and yet runs slower. One reviewer also noted the Intel's run extremely hot out of the box as well.
But you don't know anything about the Dual cores yet. Who knows if Intel will outperform AMD in gaming when the industry goes to multiple cores?
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 16, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 16 2005, 08:08 PM)
But you don't know anything about the Dual cores yet. Who knows if Intel will outperform AMD in gaming when the industry goes to multiple cores?
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Post by: SpectralWolf on March 16, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
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Oh, IBM unveils its own dual-core processor code-named Antares...thus confirming rumors that it was working on the "PowerPC 970MP". Market share, notwithstanding, this would provide another alternative to Intel & AMD's solution.
http://www.firingsqu...p?searchid=7817
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Post by: Geni-Tech on March 16, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
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or u can use a usb web cam but its cool so now u can have ur face on a video game profile image ur face being in the halo 3 game ur in the suit or NFS seriose
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Post by: mikeandbandit on March 16, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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Post by: SpectralWolf on March 16, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
http://www.firingsqu...p?searchid=7817
Post by: Geni-Tech on March 16, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
or u can use a usb web cam but its cool so now u can have ur face on a video game profile image ur face being in the halo 3 game ur in the suit or NFS seriose
Post by: mikeandbandit on March 16, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE(SpectralWolf @ Mar 16 2005, 10:27 PM)
Oh, IBM unveils its own dual-core processor code-named Antares...thus confirming rumors that it was working on the "PowerPC 970MP". Market share, notwithstanding, this would provide another alternative to Intel & AMD's solution.
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Post by: andrzejpw on March 17, 2005, 02:29:00 AM
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Post by: andrzejpw on March 17, 2005, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Mar 16 2005, 08:08 PM)
But you don't know anything about the Dual cores yet. Who knows if Intel will outperform AMD in gaming when the industry goes to multiple cores?
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Post by: m_hael on March 17, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
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Post by: m_hael on March 17, 2005, 08:06:00 AM
QUOTE(andrzejpw @ Mar 17 2005, 01:35 AM)
He doesn't know? Neither do you. AMD is also working on dual core solutions. Also, if I may add, the initial dual core chips won't be much to write home about, as software has to be written to take advantage of the two cores.