Post by: XBOXerPT on April 11, 2006, 05:27:00 AM
This post has been edited by XBOXerPT: Apr 11 2006, 12:43 PM
Post by: Enixile on July 20, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: kalle_19 on August 18, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Enixile @ Jul 21 2006, 12:32 AM) 
Why shouldn't M$ make an operating system for the Xbox 360, you ask? Well, it is using an operating system, but I'm assuming you mean something like Windows. I highly doubt that M$ would ever consider creating a version of Windows for their gaming console. Where would they earn money? Sure, they'd get money initially from selling the installation disc, but then people would be using the 360 as a computer and not for playing 360 games, which is what they really want. I'm sure that one day hackers will get linux working on the 360, and from there Windows can be emulated. But, we'll just have to wait.
I don't think that's the reason. If they would start selling windows for the 360 people would still use it to play games, or they could just buy a cheap dell for 100 S ! Now, I think the reason is that people now have to buy two things instead of one. At first a PC with windows and then a xbox 360. (mee getting PS3 =) )
Post by: grim_d on August 18, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(kalle_19 @ Aug 18 2006, 06:20 PM)
I don't think that's the reason. If they would start selling windows for the 360 people would still use it to play games, or they could just buy a cheap dell for 100 S ! Now, I think the reason is that people now have to buy two things instead of one. At first a PC with windows and then a xbox 360.
Whilst i was reading that i was constantly thinking "what the hell is this guy talking about, this 'paragraph' makes no sense" then it all became so blisteringly clear why it made no sense....
QUOTE(kalle_19 @ Aug 18 2006, 06:20 PM)
(mee getting PS3 =) )
Post by: MattyT on September 02, 2006, 06:34:00 AM
Post by: thebeebster on December 10, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: vax11780 on December 11, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
QUOTE(thebeebster @ Dec 10 2006, 11:24 PM)
they should make a new operating system that just has stuff like web browsing and msn and allow it to use programs like limewire and audio editing software. but block it from playing pc games. but people would obviously find a way to get around that block.
Actually, it is quite easy to create a block that would be nearly impossible to get around. As soon as the hypervisor is requested to load and execute any unsigned code, set a bit in a register that can only be reset by powering off the machine. This register could disable certain key pieces of hardware (like the graphics accelerator,) or reconfigure the hardware such that a game couldn't be run without major modifications.
Even cooler would be to add a watermark to every game executable. The hypervisor could detect the watermark (a particular ordering of instructions) and refuse to run it.
VAX
Post by: mojoman on December 17, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(vax11780 @ Dec 11 2006, 01:29 AM) 
Actually, it is quite easy to create a block that would be nearly impossible to get around. As soon as the hypervisor is requested to load and execute any unsigned code, set a bit in a register that can only be reset by powering off the machine. This register could disable certain key pieces of hardware (like the graphics accelerator,) or reconfigure the hardware such that a game couldn't be run without major modifications.
Even cooler would be to add a watermark to every game executable. The hypervisor could detect the watermark (a particular ordering of instructions) and refuse to run it.
VAX
Lol its people like you that make it hard to mod.
Instead suggest solutions, not more problems.
Post by: Millenia1x on January 29, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
this would also be like admitting that the 360 was seriously flawed from the getgo
dream on
close thread
Post by: mp5user on March 11, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Millenia1x @ Jan 29 2007, 09:44 PM)
microsoft will never make another os for the 360 because in doing that they would not only take money away from their windows but the 360 would eventually die from it
this would also be like admitting that the 360 was seriously flawed from the getgo
dream on
close thread
Not true, for one most people with X360s own PCs. So copy's they sell for X360 would be more money. Then once the X360 gets outdated they are gonna sell more copies of Windows, so w/e, it would mean more money. Anti-trust laws are their problems, interoperability would be required if Windows was available for the X360 because it would be classified a PC. And to those that disagree Windows could run through emulation = not port Windows to PPC = cost vs. benefit = profit. At least thats make take on the subject.
Post by: 0794 on March 14, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Enixile @ Jul 20 2006, 05:32 PM)
Why shouldn't M$ make an operating system for the Xbox 360, you ask? Well, it is using an operating system, but I'm assuming you mean something like Windows. I highly doubt that M$ would ever consider creating a version of Windows for their gaming console. Where would they earn money? Sure, they'd get money initially from selling the installation disc, but then people would be using the 360 as a computer and not for playing 360 games, which is what they really want. I'm sure that one day hackers will get linux working on the 360, and from there Windows can be emulated. But, we'll just have to wait.
this reply explains it all and the post was originally created by someone who is now banned.
no new OS will arise from MS for the 360!
ever...
Post by: dokworm on March 19, 2007, 03:19:00 AM
QUOTE(mp5user @ Mar 11 2007, 08:21 PM)
Not true, for one most people with X360s own PCs. So copy's they sell for X360 would be more money. Then once the X360 gets outdated they are gonna sell more copies of Windows, so w/e, it would mean more money. Anti-trust laws are their problems, interoperability would be required if Windows was available for the X360 because it would be classified a PC. And to those that disagree Windows could run through emulation = not port Windows to PPC = cost vs. benefit = profit. At least thats make take on the subject.
Same reason they won't release a general media player with divx etc. support
*They ONLY make money by selling lots of games*
They don't want people to do anything else on the 360 except buy games and play them. They have reluctantly opened up the 360 to play wmv videos and do some other piddly stuff, but the *last* thing they want is people buying a 360 and then using it as a media player or homebrew platform. All that achieves for them is to lose money on the hardware that user buys and never recoup it from them.
I wish it wasn't that way, but that is the business model. If they didn't have to compete they would never let the 360 do anything except play games.
It isn't that people would play PC games, just releasing 'Windows' on the 360 doesn't mean PC games would work, it is a totally different architecture, and only super well behaved high level coded programs would run at all well, and games certainly don't fit that description. It is hard enough to get some games to run properly on a *real* PC.
Post by: DrPepperFan15 on March 19, 2007, 09:41:00 PM
Sorry for no spacing and such I'm just giving out my opinion on the matter. Even though the user responsible for this topic is banned now.....
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Post by: luther349 on April 14, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
point is histery has proven a console able to run a full os to date has not died from it. couse even with a full os installed the most people relly did from them was use firefox and gaim and maybe a game server from time to time. in fact my frend has xbox linux on his modbox and the only time he boots into it is to check gamefaqs or message me to get on my system to play him in something. 360 with a broswer and a messager is pretty mutch all most whant at least where getting the messanger.
for ms a full os whont happon but the 2 basic things people use are probly gonna make it to the system sooner or later if not the 360 then the next system. as or the web broswer they shouldent do some weak port eyther but rather a full customised one with a interface suted for a 360 not even the wii or ps3 have that.
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Post by: machineman9 on April 14, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: mod_n00b on October 10, 2007, 12:43:00 AM
really, what do most people (90%) use their computer for??
1: Internet
2: Comunication(more internet and messaging apps)
3: Maybe a more flexible Media Player
4: ..... Beyond this you start crossing over the fine line dividing consoles and pc's
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5:It couldnt hurt M$ to sell a few especially tailored Programs To the 360 can it?
and boot the program as you would an ordinary 360 game
But they are greedy, hence the $ in M$
and of course Im sure they have the saying " If it aint broke, Dont fix it" tacked up everywhere in their offices because so far just selling games and keeping things pretty linear have worked well for them, why would they change it?
You know they arent out to please us in the least :- )
but hell I get a kick outa my box neways so its all good
still the point of all my ramblings is I wouldnt mind seeing Microsoft think out side their Micro, and soft padded box
and come out into the world a lil bit
maybe do something everyone sits back and says.. damn, that was smooth of Microsoft
Of course they can always wait for Xbox-scene to get credit for their wonderous progress
Long_live_xbox!
Post by: clousr on January 06, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: rodier on January 22, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
If there will be project.. based on donations.. to pay for someone's work.. someone who know XDK and can make Internet Browser for X360.. it will be cool
what I read about XDK its 1 work for PC and X360.. the difference is only which button you press "compile for win.. compiel for x360"