Post by: Insomnica on September 16, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
Mousepatcher 2.0
What is Mousepatcher 2.0?
Mousepatcher aims to keep your Xbox 360 safe online by patching the Security Sector data on the ISO with version 2 SS/DMI data, which has been recommended by c4eva.
Mousepatcher 2.0 is a complete rewrite from the original, and now automatically patches the ISO with SSv2 data without you having to traverse the internet to find files for yourself.
I'm new to Xbox images... What is SSv2?
In laymen's terms, some backed up images ripped using the Kreon drive used angles that were preset which the Xbox used, and adjusted them to replicate the jitter in a drive, whereas 0800 rips recorded the accurate measurements - or SSv2.
Kreon drives did allow SS data to contain angles that stuck out, like angle 359. And you'd consequently be banhammered from Xbox Live.
Further Reading: What is SSv2?
So, how do I get Mousepatcher 2.0? I want!
I've written a nicely typed 'press release' over on my Blog, and the link to the site where I host all my projects is on there!
Mousepatcher 2.0 Press Release: http://mattryder.wor...6/mousepatcher/
I've released the Windows binaries, and entire source code for the application as well, check it out!
Note: There are one or two bugs I know about, and I am trying to fix them.
And a final note to Xbox Scene, thanks for the continuing support, Mousepatcher would still be unknown without you guys!
Post by: Toddler on September 16, 2010, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Insomnica @ Sep 16 2010, 11:49 AM) 
In laymen's terms, some backed up images ripped using the Kreon drive used angles that were preset which the Xbox used, and adjusted them to replicate the jitter in a drive, whereas 0800 rips recorded the accurate measurements - or SSv2.
Kreon drives did allow SS data to contain angles that stuck out, like angle 359. And you'd consequently be banhammered from Xbox Live.
Kreon drives did allow SS data to contain angles that stuck out, like angle 359. And you'd consequently be banhammered from Xbox Live.
That's a bullshit summary. Kreon rips were never the cause of bad disc angles. Those were due to a bug in C4E's firmwares which didn't properly wrap values greater than 359 to zero when adding angle deviation values. And it wasn't just Kreon rips that could trigger it, although it was more common, but 0800 rips could do it as well.
This may be a useful tool, but what's the source for the SSv2 data?
Post by: Insomnica on September 16, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Sep 16 2010, 06:14 PM) 
That's a bullshit summary. Kreon rips were never the cause of bad disc angles. Those were due to a bug in C4E's firmwares which didn't properly wrap values greater than 359 to zero when adding angle deviation values. And it wasn't just Kreon rips that could trigger it, although it was more common, but 0800 rips could do it as well.
This may be a useful tool, but what's the source for the SSv2 data?
Ah sorry, guess I never fully understood when I read up about them.
Thanks for correcting my knowledge though, the more you know, eh?
It uses the ABGX database for it's files, by the way.
Post by: Toddler on September 16, 2010, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Insomnica @ Sep 16 2010, 12:36 PM)
Makes sense, although the ABGX database kind of defeats the purpose of doing your own rips. Kreon rips are still perfectly valid rips, and I'd prefer not to patch my known good rips with someone else's data. But if you are going to patch, you may as well do it with SSv2. Of course, this probably has more application for people who don't do their own rips, in which case, I have no further comment.
Post by: scuba156 on September 16, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
QUOTE
Mousepatcher aims to keep your Xbox 360 safe online by patching the Security Sector data on the ISO
And this is allowed to be posted as news? I think not!
Post by: Frogman7 on September 16, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
This post has been edited by Frogman7: Sep 17 2010, 05:45 AM
Post by: amak1131 on September 16, 2010, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Sep 16 2010, 09:30 PM)
And this is allowed to be posted as news? I think not!
It is part of the modding tool kit. Many may not agree with it, but that shouldn't mean it needs to be 100% shunned.
Post by: Insomnica on September 17, 2010, 12:41:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Sep 17 2010, 05:30 AM)
And this is allowed to be posted as news? I think not!
My last one, 'Mousepatcher 360' was, and recieved quite well.
I'm not sure why this one wouldn't be.
QUOTE(Frogman7 @ Sep 17 2010, 05:38 AM)
Interesting but why would I use this over ABGX? Also I hope everyone here is aware that a Kreon drive isn't the best way to make 1:1 backups, C4Eva himself has stated that a Samsung MS28 drive in 0800 mode will rip the best backups.
If you've got a perfectly good image, with SSv1, ABGX360 will not patch it to SSv2 automatically. You'd have to go to the site, pick the files and use the checkboxes etc on ABGX to load the SS/DMI into the program then patch it for every image, everytime.
Here, you get this, drop it in, done.
Post by: modrobert on September 17, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
Post by: Martinchris23 on September 17, 2010, 01:55:00 AM
Seeing as no-one can promise that SSv2 patching will prevent bans, it's a moot exercise.
Post by: Insomnica on September 17, 2010, 03:45:00 AM
QUOTE(modrobert @ Sep 17 2010, 07:54 AM)
Is there link to a real binary (or zip file) besides that XML crap (Mousepatcher 2.0.application)?
Nope, that's the application.
I use ClickOnce to ensure I can get updates to people without writing a whole bulky update function in the program and having to get some webhosting for the update files.
If you're having a problem, I can help you solve it.
Post by: not2able on September 17, 2010, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: scuba156 on September 17, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Insomnica @ Sep 17 2010, 04:41 PM)
My last one, 'Mousepatcher 360' was, and recieved quite well.
I'm not sure why this one wouldn't be.
Because the words i quoted directly break X-S rules:
QUOTE
-People CANNOT promote piracy, promote backups on LIVE. Prolonged comments, whether ethical, financial, or political about using backups on LIVE (a clear violation of LIVE TOS) will get you a ban. So choose every word on these issues carefully. There is no Reprieve. There is also no reversal of XS bans for people banned on this forum previous to this posting.
Quite a double standard if one application is allowed yet another isnt just because the public may like it.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on September 17, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: Insomnica on September 17, 2010, 09:51:00 AM
QUOTE(alwaysonjohn @ Sep 17 2010, 03:47 PM)
your download method on codeplex is pissing me off on windows 7. do you plan on putting an actual link to it instead of your dumb@ass click once install program.
I don't understand the problem, if you let me know I may be able to offer a simple fix.
I've had 260 people, and 40 who've updated from the first release without a hitch.
There are no plans for an offline installer option, and as this is my last Xbox related project, I am not interested in that avenue.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on September 17, 2010, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Insomnica on September 17, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
QUOTE(alwaysonjohn @ Sep 17 2010, 05:32 PM)
it another forum you said there are still a few bugs(s7evins)? Care to elaborate?
Sure thing, mentioned it here as well, unless I forgot.
Nothing killer, just the code that gets the XEX's CRC32 value sometimes spouts an incorrect CRC, and says 'No SSv1/SSv2 available' then ends the operation. Nothing is done to the image.
Haven't a bloody clue how to fix it, I was hoping someone would spot something in the source I'd missed off.
This has only happened to a maximum 10, out of 150-200 uses. So nothing major but having it fixed would be awesome.
More is available on the Codeplex's "Issue Tracker" page, as well as steps to reproduce and steps taken to try and fix it.
Post by: shloader on September 17, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Toddler on September 17, 2010, 05:02:00 PM
Other than that, I don't really see the difference in discussing this tool as news vs. ABGX or other similar apps. The author isn't advising anyone to take backups online, although his tool would supposedly make it safer to do so, which is what most people think ABGX is intended to do.
My personal opinion is anyone who hasn't got a second legit console for XBL is just going to get what they deserve eventually anyway, and that approach renders all of these tools pretty much useless.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on September 18, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
Post by: Martinchris23 on September 18, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
QUOTE(amak1131 @ Sep 17 2010, 07:30 PM)
So this program would technically NOT be allowed to have a news post etc., but the other programs which unlock DLC are? That would be blatant piracy wouldn't it?
I disagree - DLC is DRM locked and if you've purchased it on one, you should be able to use it on another without having to sign into Xbox Live to do so.
What's so hard about using your original game when you want to play online?
Post by: Insomnica on September 18, 2010, 04:39:00 AM
QUOTE(iateshaggy @ Sep 17 2010, 11:41 PM)
nice work automating this for those who don't know how.
Exactly why I wrote it. Mainly for people on a community -who I'm not going to mention considering this thread- who are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
QUOTE(shloader @ Sep 17 2010, 11:49 PM)
... and nice work for those who do but are just plain lazy. I've been hoping that a new version of ABGX would surface and automate the process that this tool does. Still... no Force SSv2 option so this is appreciated. I now return you to the negative posts this thread is needlessly breading.
I suppose you drive a car to work/shops instead of walking? What's wrong with simplifying the process, it need not be a chore.
QUOTE(alwaysonjohn @ Sep 18 2010, 07:10 AM)
as soon as i get vs 2010 installed i will look at the source... great job btw. it seems to do a good job at what it was intended to do.
You don't really need Visual Studio, you can just use Visual C# 2010 Express (free from MS's website), and you don't even need that! Just go to the Codplex, click the changeset you wanna view and you can browse the source on the web.
Thanks for all the positive feedback, I've had close to 900 downloads, so i'm doing something right!
Post by: danthaman673 on September 18, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
I suppose it can still be used for patching backups as opposed to furthering P2P piracy behavior, which not having an SS is kinda conducive to...
I'm aware AGBX purports to offer similar, but it's primary purpose is verification. If your thinking that gong thru and patching an entire collection with ssv2 is going to assure you wont get flagged for ban then I think it would more than likely have effects to the contrary in many instances. This also assumes that the angle error wasn't due to intentional M$ error, which may expose a hole with FW compensation or whatever .. not to mention the potential PFI/DMI combos etc..
Good on you for having a go, looks like you put significant effort in to a decent app(would benefit from full offline version - think about it ;-) but I think we would all be wise to heed the lessons of the past ....
Brgds/Dan
Post by: foureyezz on September 18, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: danthaman673 on September 19, 2010, 07:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Sep 19 2010, 06:56 AM)
I'm not sure what "something similar" you're referring to, but this app is just a downloader. If Microsoft were to go after someone for copyright infringement, it would be the site (ABGX) hosting the data, not the app that downloads it. After all, you can download it with Internet Explorer, too.
Wasn't aware AGBX was the host (I've hardly ever had a match for any of my PAL rips, but I was refering to an older site that hosted them for download fm browser) It's been a while since I've really needed to use it for anything as I have decided that patching over what would otherwise be a decent rip from my original,verified and done by myself is a waste of time (Btw, I always thought AGBX could correct/patch the angle w/o donor ss - Maybe I dreamed that)
QUOTE
Did you understand what this is really for? It's for grabbing SSv2, which a Kreon drive cannot produce. In no way does that mean the user is a pirate.
Yes I'm aware of that, my answer to that would be: If you have a 360 with FW, then you can use it to rip, I know Kreons are kinda handy(also now fairly rare) but their not the only use for this tool.. P2P can share barebones(smaller file) w/o ISO padding(sometimes less than half the size etc..) besides which: Why would you ever want to patch (Kreon excepted) other than if you didn't have the orig .. The angles I referred to earlier weren't specifically the ones that cause the 0 degree problem, I was referring to patching angles in general as M$ might place deliberate error that might occur in a specific combo of PFI etc.. Which if corrected would provide M$ with unequivocal evidence for justifying ban.. I know it's a stretch as they're prolly polling from/to layer 7(SW) anyway (for want of a better description)
Anyway - Points taken, I feel I have already over-discussed the matter - Sorry to anyone who has taken the time to read it (it's really not my best work)
I guess with hind sight I would not have made my earlier post.
Post by: iJunaid on September 21, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: Insomnica on September 24, 2010, 07:17:00 PM
QUOTE(iJunaid @ Sep 22 2010, 12:20 AM)
Thanks for this program, not sure what I would do without it. Sad to see this being your last Xbox 360 project, always loved your work.
Glad you like the software!
If there were a way I could now support myself (just moved into my own place
) by writing this software, I would. I have had a lovely chap donate a £10 because he believed that my software has been worth that amount, really made my day. I'm going to be also releasing a C# ABGX-esque thing I were working on in my spare time, soon.
Should be a good start for some developers who are just learning how the Xbox formats stack up.
Had .dvd checking and what MP2.0 does, as well as downloads ini files I think. Little bits here and thar.
Post by: Insomnica on September 26, 2010, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(tdude51 @ Sep 25 2010, 06:22 AM)
Thanks for the easy-to-use program, Insomnica.
Doe you know if there's any way to check the SS version on a burnt DVD, or will I have to rip the ISO, patch it and burn a new disc to be sure?
You'd have to use ABGX to check burned SS, you obviously can't change static data.
But if you found it was bad, you could rerip and use MP2.0 to correct the errors, then reburn.
Post by: comhen on October 06, 2010, 06:25:00 AM
"unable to install or run this application.thia application requires your system to be updated to Microsoft common language runtime version 4.0.30319.0"
Any ideas where I can download Microsoft Common Language Runtime?
Or is there another link to an install version without the need of Microsoft Common Language Runtime?
Post by: Insomnica on October 06, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(comhen @ Oct 6 2010, 01:25 PM)
Every time I try to install I get the following error message
"unable to install or run this application.thia application requires your system to be updated to Microsoft common language runtime version 4.0.30319.0"
Any ideas where I can download Microsoft Common Language Runtime?
Or is there another link to an install version without the need of Microsoft Common Language Runtime?
That'd be .NET Framework 4, my friend!
This should do the trick:
http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
Post by: comhen on October 07, 2010, 12:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Insomnica @ Oct 7 2010, 04:39 AM)
That'd be .NET Framework 4, my friend!
This should do the trick:
http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
That worked thanks