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Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Xbox-Scene on February 17, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
360 Evolution RC1
Posted by XanTium | February 17 21:54 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
A new editors for CON, LIVE, PIRS and saved games files has been released:
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About
A revolutionary Xbox 360 editor which allows the end user to Display and Modify information contained within Xbox 360 Container (CON, LIVE, PIRS) files, Save Game files (Halo 3, Modern Warfare 2, etc.).

Requirements
* Hardware
 o Xbox 360
 o XPort / XSATA - See CodeJunkies for further information.
 o XPort 360 / XPlorer 360 - Included in Download
* Software
 o .NET Framework 3.5 - Built into application.

Known Bugs
* Settings
 o Background does not save and has been disabled. (Workaround: In the settings.xml file, add a complete filesystem path between <background></background>.)

Official Site: http://blueshadowz.info/apps/360evolution/
Download: here



Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: skyliner99 on February 17, 2010, 07:56:00 PM
actually might try this out. thanks!
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Gee19 on February 17, 2010, 08:03:00 PM
Anyone wanna upload a mirror?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Porta360 on February 17, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
I'm bout to give this a go right now.
Thanks for the info.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: slasherking823 on February 17, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Gee19 @ Feb 17 2010, 06:03 PM) View Post

Anyone wanna upload a mirror?


please
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: damonnomad on February 17, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
A mirror is not going to help, you have to use a username and password to sign into the app.

(IMG:http://blueshadowz.info/apps/360evolution/images/preview/login.png)

I wouldn't even bother with this.

Yes the program might be capable. But you have to be a VIP (paid member) of the website to use alot of the features.

Features can be seen here: http://blueshadowz.info/apps/360evolution/...hp?cmd=features
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Lush on February 17, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
fail...
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ddxcb on February 17, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
OMG all the features are public XD FAIL...
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: aubrey_76 on February 17, 2010, 10:28:00 PM
Has anyone tried this? If so, what are your impressions.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: kraken on February 17, 2010, 10:41:00 PM
I spent about 15 minutes trying to figure out how to get the site's worthless download manager to work, and then gave up.  I don't care how good the app is, the website reeks of a scam, and it isn't even functional at that!
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 17, 2010, 11:07:00 PM
What a waste of my time.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ska_drummer85 on February 17, 2010, 11:27:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 18 2010, 01:07 AM) View Post

What a waste of my time.


Yeah is just made an account on the site to download this and it won't even let me download.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: damonnomad on February 18, 2010, 12:00:00 AM
QUOTE(kraken @ Feb 18 2010, 01:41 PM) *

I don't care how good the app is, the website reeks of a scam, and it isn't even functional at that!


If it is by the same Dark we all know and love, it is not going to be a scam.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 18, 2010, 12:04:00 AM
QUOTE(damonnomad @ Feb 18 2010, 08:00 AM) View Post

If it is by the same Dark we all know and love, it is not going to be a scam.

Then how do I download the app?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: lvader1 on February 18, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
waste of time
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dstruktiv on February 18, 2010, 12:25:00 AM
It'll be a rip off of x360.dll no doubt... Anyone got a mirror? I should be able to patch out the login requirement.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 18, 2010, 12:31:00 AM
QUOTE(dstruktiv @ Feb 18 2010, 08:25 AM) View Post

It'll be a rip off of x360.dll no doubt... Anyone got a mirror? I should be able to patch out the login requirement.

If it is, they could get in to trouble since the x360.dll license requires it to be free and open source.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: [Jed] on February 18, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 18 2010, 09:31 AM) *

If it is, they could get in to trouble since the x360.dll license requires it to be free and open source.


actually it isnt, i have seen the source to it he built it himself
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 18, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
How are we supposed to download this app is you can't download it from the main site?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 18, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
Updated Download Link: http://blueshadowz.i...hp?cmd=download

I've uploaded straight to the 360evolution directory, so anyone can download it. I was going to wait until RC2, but many people want it earlier than that, so there it is.

I ask that people do not crack it, I've put a lot of effort into this (months). All you need now is an account, and most of the features work.


Please note! ALL FEATURES WORK IN RC1 AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS!
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: damonnomad on February 18, 2010, 07:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 18 2010, 09:18 PM) *

Updated Download Link: http://blueshadowz.info/apps/360evolution/...hp?cmd=download

I've uploaded straight to the 360evolution directory, so anyone can download it. I was going to wait until RC2, but many people want it earlier than that, so there it is.

I ask that people do not crack it, I've put a lot of effort into this (months). All you need now is an account, and most of the features work.
Please note! ALL FEATURES WORK IN RC1 AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS!


Cheers. Real good of you mate.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: lightitnow on February 18, 2010, 11:52:00 AM
So if all these features work, what would we be able to do with this?
It almost leads me to believe we could patch downloaded XBLA to run on non jtag'd machines?
But I guess that would be too good to be true  tongue.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: raburton on February 18, 2010, 12:04:00 PM
Why build in the .net framework? Just makes it huge and kinda misses the point of using a common framework.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 18, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(raburton @ Feb 18 2010, 02:04 PM) View Post

Why build in the .net framework? Just makes it huge and kinda misses the point of using a common framework.


Because .NET 1.1 and .NET 2.0 come with Vista SP1 and pre-installed on Windows 7. I embed 3.5 so that the references to 3.5 files work.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: lightitnow on February 18, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
Dark: Am I so waaaay of you wont even bother answering?  tongue.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 18, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(lightitnow @ Feb 18 2010, 01:52 PM) View Post

So if all these features work, what would we be able to do with this?
It almost leads me to believe we could patch downloaded XBLA to run on non jtag'd machines?
But I guess that would be too good to be true  tongue.gif


Yes, all the features available in RC1 work simply by signing in. smile.gif

If XBLA means Xbox Live Arcades, can't you use any arcades on a JTAG? I may add a tool that allows you to patch them for JTAG's. I was told it's a simple hex edit, we shall see.


QUOTE(lightitnow @ Feb 18 2010, 02:29 PM) View Post

Dark: Am I so waaaay of you wont even bother answering?  tongue.gif


Sorry, never noticed you replied... D:
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: lightitnow on February 18, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 18 2010, 08:39 PM) *

Yes, all the features available in RC1 work simply by signing in. smile.gif

If XBLA means Xbox Live Arcades, can't you use any arcades on a JTAG? I may add a tool that allows you to patch them for JTAG's. I was told it's a simple hex edit, we shall see.
Sorry, never noticed you replied... D:


I dont think you read my post properly tongue.gif
Yes of course you can use any arcade on a JTAG, my question was if this app allows running xbla on NON jtag 360's by editing console id etc smile.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 18, 2010, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(lightitnow @ Feb 18 2010, 02:49 PM) View Post

I dont think you read my post properly tongue.gif
Yes of course you can use any arcade on a JTAG, my question was if this app allows running xbla on NON jtag 360's by editing console id etc smile.gif


I have sent you a PM to continue this discussion, as to keep this topic "on topic". haha, biggrin.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dstruktiv on February 18, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(lightitnow @ Feb 19 2010, 08:49 AM) View Post

I dont think you read my post properly tongue.gif
Yes of course you can use any arcade on a JTAG, my question was if this app allows running xbla on NON jtag 360's by editing console id etc smile.gif


No, the second you change a single byte in the container (console id, license, device id etc.) the signature becomes invalid and a non-jtag'd console won't boot it. You could in theory resign the container to work on a non jtagd console using that consoles cpu key etc. but there's no way to get the cpu key without jtag'ing so yeah lol.

If this were possible, then NXE2GOD/ISO2GOD would let you play with out the discs on a retail console...  tongue.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: lightitnow on February 18, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(dstruktiv @ Feb 18 2010, 09:24 PM) View Post

No, the second you change a single byte in the container (console id, license, device id etc.) the signature becomes invalid and a non-jtag'd console won't boot it. You could in theory resign the container to work on a non jtagd console using that consoles cpu key etc. but there's no way to get the cpu key without jtag'ing so yeah lol.

If this were possible, then NXE2GOD/ISO2GOD would let you play with out the discs on a retail console...  tongue.gif


Thank you! smile.gif Yeah I was afraid of that.. Damnit tongue.gif
The reason I wanted to know was because I fubar'd my optional media update on my banned console..
Was thinking about uncrippling the HDD on that one, and heard that would "uncripple" divx playback also..
But since I accidentally unlocked the optional media update on the hdd of my banned console (using xm360 tongue.gif) I guess that would be impossible..
Hope that made any sense tongue.gif

PS. Sorry about off-topic hehe
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: JCDenton@AS on February 18, 2010, 02:33:00 PM
Hmmm its ok, modio is alot better tho. The profile editor might as well not be there.. It does nothing, everything else you have to pay for..
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 18, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(JCDenton@AS @ Feb 18 2010, 04:33 PM) View Post

Hmmm its ok, modio is alot better tho. The profile editor might as well not be there.. It does nothing, everything else you have to pay for..


My application does not have a profile editor (wtf are you looking at?), and RC1 is free to everyone.

When RC2 comes out, you simply need an account for many features, and make 10 quality posts for all but a few (3 or 4) features. So in total, you would pay $10 a month (or $30-$35 for life) to Inject files, and maybe a profile editor feature down the road.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: yolarrydabomb on February 18, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 18 2010, 05:28 PM) *

you would pay $10 a month (or $30-$35 for life) to Inject files, and maybe a profile editor feature down the road.


Good luck with your price.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: kaizzen23 on February 19, 2010, 12:39:00 AM
Thanks.

Are you paying other people $10 who have developed apps for xbox360?

Booooooo

Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Ize on February 19, 2010, 03:45:00 AM
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/flamethrower.gif) Epic Fail.

This stuff should be done for the community, not personal enrichment.

If you are going to ask money for stuff like this, don't even bother to start a project in the first place.

I'd suggest that everyone ignores this project and supports developers that work hard for the community and ACCEPT donations, not FORCE you to pay for something to use it.

This post has been edited by Ize: Feb 19 2010, 11:46 AM
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: damonnomad on February 19, 2010, 04:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Ize @ Feb 19 2010, 06:45 PM) View Post

flamethrower.gif Epic Fail.

This stuff should be done for the community, not personal enrichment.

If you are going to ask money for stuff like this, don't even bother to start a project in the first place.

I'd suggest that everyone ignores this project and supports developers that work hard for the community and ACCEPT donations, not FORCE you to pay for something to use it.


It is people like you that make the so called scene the place it is today.

How is it that you believe someone shouldn't be paid for the work they do.

You probably think that game developers should be making games for the people, and pirating them is cool cause its free.

Get your head out of your ass.

Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dstruktiv on February 19, 2010, 05:19:00 AM
The homebrew scene is driven by people who have a passion for the console and homebrew apps.

I am genuinely against anyone profiting from homebrew stuff as it really goes against the philosophy of the scene.

If people want to have a donation page then that's fine as people can choose whether or not they want to donate. But actually charging for app usage isn't cool imo.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: simonk83 on February 19, 2010, 06:12:00 AM
And it's no good building something that's been done several times before and the trying to charge for it.  People will just use one of the free versions biggrin.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on February 19, 2010, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 18 2010, 05:28 PM) View Post

My application does not have a profile editor (wtf are you looking at?), and RC1 is free to everyone.

When RC2 comes out, you simply need an account for many features, and make 10 quality posts for all but a few (3 or 4) features. So in total, you would pay $10 a month (or $30-$35 for life) to Inject files, and maybe a profile editor feature down the road.

Ummm $10 a month? Even live is cheaper monthly lol.
I can understand if you want to get paid for your work, but your going about it the wrong way.
You should put "donations accepted" or  "upgrade to vip version for $10".......but not monthly.
If the app works out to be awesome, then alot of people will be more than happy to donate.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ddxcb on February 19, 2010, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(dstruktiv @ Feb 19 2010, 05:19 AM) View Post

The homebrew scene is driven by people who have a passion for the console and homebrew apps.

I am genuinely against anyone profiting from homebrew stuff as it really goes against the philosophy of the scene.

If people want to have a donation page then that's fine as people can choose whether or not they want to donate. But actually charging for app usage isn't cool imo.

Thank You, thats why I love DJ Shepherd app, its free and open source, and he does have a donation button and dont charge people for the work hes done.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 19, 2010, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(simonk83 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:12 AM) View Post

And it's no good building something that's been done several times before and the trying to charge for it.  People will just use one of the free versions biggrin.gif


I don't chare to use the application, there's only 2 features I charge for. Just to give the option of people upgrading to VIP.

This version is completely free, and works all the time. So what are you bitching about?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dcrvx2k on February 19, 2010, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 19 2010, 08:48 AM) *

I don't chare to use the application, there's only 2 features I charge for. Just to give the option of people upgrading to VIP.

This version is completely free, and works all the time. So what are you bitching about?


You contradicted your own statement.  Completely free and being charged for only 2 features?  I support dstructiv, DJ Sheppard, Redline99, C4E and many others who provide excellent services for FREE.  When I see an app that has me register/logon or pay to use I don't even bother.  Even if it gets cracked.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 19, 2010, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(dcrvx2k @ Feb 19 2010, 12:11 PM) View Post

You contradicted your own statement.  Completely free and being charged for only 2 features?  I support dstructiv, DJ Sheppard, Redline99, C4E and many others who provide excellent services for FREE.  When I see an app that has me register/logon or pay to use I don't even bother.  Even if it gets cracked.


Fine with me. smile.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 19, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(dcrvx2k @ Feb 19 2010, 01:11 PM) *

You contradicted your own statement.  Completely free and being charged for only 2 features?  I support dstructiv, DJ Sheppard, Redline99, C4E and many others who provide excellent services for FREE.  When I see an app that has me register/logon or pay to use I don't even bother.  Even if it gets cracked.


I appreciate all the kids who make absolutely no sense in the world. I really do.

When this guy has to login to use something, he doesn't even bother. Wonder what he's doing here? Cause umm... I had to login to use this website, along with most others. I suppose he also doesn't use XBL or have any email, as all that would require signing in.. and he's very anti-signing. Sorry I ruined your 10 year old rant. Please continue.


QUOTE(dstruktiv @ Feb 19 2010, 08:19 AM) *

The homebrew scene is driven by people who have a passion for the console and homebrew apps.

I am genuinely against anyone profiting from homebrew stuff as it really goes against the philosophy of the scene.

If people want to have a donation page then that's fine as people can choose whether or not they want to donate. But actually charging for app usage isn't cool imo.



SO..... you are against Commodore4eva and his work with iXtreme? Because if any of you knew anything, you would know his plan was to charge for distribution, and to charge a hell of a lot.

And I'm sure all these people, with their jtagging for free and free MW2 lobbies and free mods and commands really appreciate your thanks.... wait... all those people charge people ridiculous amounts of money for even more ridiculous things. Great example. I'm pretty sure lots of those people are doing that research and homebrew development would love to charge you. But that would put it into a whole new level of crime.

Just think maybe people should know what they are talking about. DJ Sheperd's PT, wow a stolen source that hardly ever works.. awesome work by him too.

Maybe somebody should actually get a grasp on what's going on in the world before opening their mouth. Good Idea eh?

This post has been edited by Azraelrs: Feb 19 2010, 06:47 PM
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dstruktiv on February 19, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 20 2010, 06:43 AM) View Post

SO..... you are against Commodore4eva and his work with iXtreme? Because if any of you knew anything, you would know his plan was to charge for distribution, and to charge a hell of a lot.


I cbf reading the rest of your post. But yes I am.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 19, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(dstruktiv @ Feb 19 2010, 09:22 PM) View Post

I cbf reading the rest of your post. But yes I am.

Off topic:  what does "cbf" mean.

On-Topic:  I can feel for developers who spend a huge amount of their time working on something.  They should be compensated for their work, but I think it's better to have it where users can donate.  Creating something grand should be rewarding enough.

As far as I am concerned homebrew should be free.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: dcrvx2k on February 19, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 19 2010, 09:43 AM) *

I appreciate all the kids who make absolutely no sense in the world. I really do.



Great first post.  What's is your true logon in X-S?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on February 19, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(dcrvx2k @ Feb 19 2010, 04:46 PM) View Post

Great first post.  What's is your true logon in X-S?

 LOL you caught that too eh?
Gee,.....I wonder who it could be! lmao
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: damonnomad on February 19, 2010, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 20 2010, 04:29 AM) View Post

As far as I am concerned homebrew should be free.


So any program written by someone at home should be free.

I can't believe what I am hearing. This isn't homebrew it is a fucking pc app.

If the scene really wanted to get moving, then release your sources, you give out the app for free, why not the source?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: EatonZ on February 20, 2010, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 18 2010, 08:18 AM) View Post

I ask that people do not crack it, I've put a lot of effort into this (months). All you need now is an account, and most of the features work.


LOL. I worked on FATXplorer for 5 months and look what happened.. I even asked the cracker to keep it private. You can't expect it not to be cracked if it gets popular enough.

Cool program, nonetheless. I will try it.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 06:02:00 AM
QUOTE(dcrvx2k @ Feb 19 2010, 05:46 PM) View Post

Great first post.  What's is your true logon in X-S?



QUOTE(hardrock351w @ Feb 19 2010, 07:10 PM) View Post

LOL you caught that too eh?
Gee,.....I wonder who it could be! lmao


Who do you think it is?

If you are trying to imply that I'm someone else, maybe you could use your massive brains and check out the date joined. Just a thought...


QUOTE(damonnomad @ Feb 19 2010, 10:22 PM) View Post

So any program written by someone at home should be free.

I can't believe what I am hearing. This isn't homebrew it is a fucking pc app.

If the scene really wanted to get moving, then release your sources, you give out the app for free, why not the source?


Or why don't you bother to create your own programs and release the source? Oh yeah...

Pretty much my view is that if you don't want to use it. Don't. You got no reason to bash someone for doing something you can't. When you grow up, maybe you'll make something cool and then you can release it, make sure you release the source too so that other people can take it and take all the credit for your work. ok? Thanks. Or when you get old enough to work, maybe you can just send me all of your paychecks. That way you can do all the work and I can enjoy the benefits of your work with no actual cost or effort on my part. Okay? Thanks...

It's really sad the way the world is moving so that kids today believe they are entitled to anything they want anytime they want.


You take for granted everything everyone gives you for free, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you should understand that you don't have a right to any of it. If the "fake" Team Jungle  decides to start charging you for F/W can you complain? Nope! If homebrew developers start charging you, can you complain? No way. If iso uploaders start charging you per copy of the rip, you got any rights? Not a chance....You don't have a right to anything you specifically didn't create. Stop acting like you do. You don't.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 20, 2010, 06:04:00 AM
QUOTE(damonnomad @ Feb 20 2010, 03:22 AM) View Post

So any program written by someone at home should be free.

I can't believe what I am hearing. This isn't homebrew it is a ******* pc app.

If the scene really wanted to get moving, then release your sources, you give out the app for free, why not the source?

My definition of homebrew is any program made at home by an individual.

I did not mean EVERY homemade program should be free.  Most individuals do it as a hobby and don't usually expect to get paid.  That's why they usually accept donations.

In case you did not notice I bleeped out your bad language as I don't appreciate cursing.

It would be nice if there was an OFFLINE version as I prefer to keep my computer offline.  I don't usually like apps that require an internet connection as who knows what kind of information the program is collecting and sending back.  Especially from someone I have never heard of.  Please remove the log-in requirement.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on February 20, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 20 2010, 08:02 AM) *

Who do you think it is?

If you are trying to imply that I'm someone else, maybe you could use your massive brains and check out the date joined. Just a thought...
Or why don't you bother to create your own programs and release the source? Oh yeah...

Pretty much my view is that if you don't want to use it. Don't. You got no reason to bash someone for doing something you can't. When you grow up, maybe you'll make something cool and then you can release it, make sure you release the source too so that other people can take it and take all the credit for your work. ok? Thanks. Or when you get old enough to work, maybe you can just send me all of your paychecks. That way you can do all the work and I can enjoy the benefits of your work with no actual cost or effort on my part. Okay? Thanks...

It's really sad the way the world is moving so that kids today believe they are entitled to anything they want anytime they want.
You take for granted everything everyone gives you for free, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you should understand that you don't have a right to any of it. If the "fake" Team Jungle  decides to start charging you for F/W can you complain? Nope! If homebrew developers start charging you, can you complain? No way. If iso uploaders start charging you per copy of the rip, you got any rights? Not a chance....You don't have a right to anything you specifically didn't create. Stop acting like you do. You don't.


Hey bud ....welcome to the forums!
Just a little hint, ya might not want to bash people for there own opinions on your first couple of posts!...just a thought  
Oh ya,....why would you wait til now to post? hmmm
You seem quite offended for someone who hasn't created somthing yourself.
We ALL do have a right to complain for any reason!

Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
QUOTE(hardrock351w @ Feb 20 2010, 11:32 AM) *

Hey bud ....welcome to the forums!
Just a little hint, ya might not want to bash people for there own opinions on your first couple of posts!...just a thought  
Oh ya,....why would you wait til now to post? hmmm
You seem quite offended for someone who hasn't created somthing yourself.
We ALL do have a right to complain for any reason!


Ah, you seem to think I'm new... good for you... and I'm pretty sure you enjoy lots of things I have created.

Also not entirely sure where I "bashed" anyone in particular. Maybe reading my posts would help clarify for you.

Enjoy your complaining.

This post has been edited by Azraelrs: Feb 20 2010, 04:52 PM
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ACharmedMatrix on February 20, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
Guys don't be silly, he isn't Dark on an alt account, just one of dark's admins.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(ACharmedMatrix @ Feb 20 2010, 12:03 PM) *

Guys don't be silly, he isn't Dark on an alt account, just one of dark's admins.



I might be just a little more than that... just maybe...lol
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on February 20, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 20 2010, 10:47 AM) View Post

Ah, you seem to think I'm new... good for you... and I'm pretty sure you enjoy lots of things I have created.

Also not entirely sure where I "bashed" anyone in particular. Maybe reading my posts would help clarify for you.

Enjoy your complaining.


Ok I'll bite,.....what did you create?

As far as bashing??? Maybe you should read your own posts and see how negetive you are.

I never once complained,.....but if I did I would have the right to,....just like the rest of us.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: kaizzen23 on February 20, 2010, 02:34:00 PM
Once it's cracked I'll check it out.

$10 per month? lol! Man you're a funny guy!

I can sell you some magical beans if you like? $10 per bean.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(kaizzen23 @ Feb 20 2010, 05:34 PM) *

Once it's cracked I'll check it out.

$10 per month? lol! Man you're a funny guy!

I can sell you some magical beans if you like? $10 per bean.


For the last time (hopefully) I know reading might be difficult, but I'm pretty sure it's says FREE. The "$10" misquote applied to the purchase of a VIP membership that would grant you ADDITIONAL things in addition to all the things already in the app that are completely FREE!!!!! That "$10" is the cost of VIP membership on his site, it is NOT required to use this app!

There are features still being added to the app for RC2... Some of them may end up being VIP only benefits, in which case you would need to be a VIP to utilize. That also would get you numerous other benefits site wise... not just a few additional features in an app....

HAVE I BROKEN THIS DOWN SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE!!???!!

Let try once more....

You won't have to spend your lunch money to use any part of the program... None, Zero, Free, Nada, Nothing.

Got it yet?

Geeez

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Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Jaggie on February 20, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 20 2010, 11:51 PM) View Post

For the last time (hopefully) I know reading might be difficult, but I'm pretty sure it's says FREE. The "$10" misquote applied to the purchase of a VIP membership that would grant you ADDITIONAL things in addition to all the things already in the app that are completely FREE!!!!! That "$10 is the cost of VIP membership on his site, it is NOT required to use this app!

There are features still being added to the app for RC2... Some of them may end up being VIP only benefits, in which case you would need to be a VIP to utilize.

HAVE I BROKEN THIS DOWN SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE!!???!!

Let try once more....

You won't have to spend your lunch money to use any part of the program... None, Zero, Free, Nada, Nothing.

Got it yet?

Geeez


Going by what I've witnessed reading this topic, that still probably won't even be enough for them.  Oh well, we can only dream that they will figure it out eventually.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 20, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(EatonZ @ Feb 20 2010, 07:30 AM) View Post

LOL. I worked on FATXplorer for 5 months and look what happened.. I even asked the cracker to keep it private. You can't expect it not to be cracked if it gets popular enough.

Cool program, nonetheless. I will try it.


I agree. I'm sure it will happen eventually, but I was never worried about that.

Thanks for the +1 too, biggrin.gif.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 03, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Jaggie @ Feb 20 2010, 05:55 PM) *

Going by what I've witnessed reading this topic, that still probably won't even be enough for them.  Oh well, we can only dream that they will figure it out eventually.



Off Topic- Before you even think it, that isn't me and I'm not Dark Slipstream. I am Azraelrs. I don't care if you don't know my name. You know who I am and you have enjoyed what I have done for you.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 20, 2010, 03:58:00 PM
The point is you still have to pay to use ALL features.  So in reality if you want to fully utilize this app you will have to pay.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 03, 2020, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 20 2010, 06:58 PM) *

The point is you still have to pay to use ALL features.  So in reality if you want to fully utilize this app you will have to pay.


Yet again I will try to explain this, although I am sure it is lost here. You DON'T have to pay for any feature included in this app that you can DL through the link on the 1st page of this topic.

At SOME POINT, ADDITIONAL things may be added and some MAY be reserved for VIP members of the site as a thank you for their support.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

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Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 20 2010, 06:58 PM) View Post

The point is you still have to pay to use ALL features.  So in reality if you want to fully utilize this app you will have to pay.



And I have a favor to ask, especially of all of you who paid out the ass for SM's failure of a program... And all the other garbage you have paid for. Instead of not understanding that it's FREE and more than you are entitled to, why don't you tell me which part of it doesn't work in this FREE program compared to all the crap you have paid for... Can you do that? Let me know what errors you get..k? Thanks
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 20, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 21 2010, 01:23 AM) View Post

And I have a favor to ask, especially of all of you who paid out the ass for SM's failure of a program... And all the other garbage you have paid for. Instead of not understanding that it's FREE and more than you are entitled to, why don't you tell me which part of it doesn't work in this FREE program compared to all the crap you have paid for... Can you do that? Let me know what errors you get..k? Thanks

Who's SM?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Jaggie on February 03, 2020, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 21 2010, 12:06 AM) *

Off Topic- Before you even think it, that isn't me and I'm not Dark Slipstream. I am Azraelrs. I don't care if you don't know my name. You know who I am and you have enjoyed what I have done for you.


He's quite correct, I am Apollo. He is Azraelrs and he is not DSS.  3 very different people.

QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 21 2010, 03:27 AM) *

Who's SM?


SuperModder, the guy that wrote the Profile Tool.

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Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 20, 2010, 07:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Jaggie @ Feb 21 2010, 03:08 AM) View Post

He's quite correct, I am Apollo. He is Azraelrs and he is not DSS.  3 very different people.
SuperModder, the guy that wrote the Profile Tool.

Never heard of either one.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: unknown v2 on February 20, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
No sane person would pay to do something that DJ's program can do for free. The program has no selling point.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 20 2010, 10:12 PM) View Post

Never heard of either one.


Well, pretty much any achievement "tool" you've ever seen is based off of SuperModder's code. So everyone can think him for any and all Profile Tool/Profile Editor you've ever seen. If any of you have ever gamesaved in your life. You can thank me. It's quite probable you enjoyed my hard work. Now who "truly" came up with a lot of the 360 repair and jtagging ideas...hmmm

So, please don't sit here and try to belittle or bad mouth any of us. We've contributed far more to the "Scene" than almost anyone here. And yes, I do get annoyed when people start attacking things they have no right to
either because they don't understand or just feel entitled. Everyone benefits and has benefited from the work of a few people. You can almost count on your fingers the people who keep the "scene" alive. Some of us put long hours and spend lots of our free time doing things simply for other people like yourselves... Why not stop to say "thanks" instead of trying to put something down. I can honestly only think of a very select few who actually have any right to criticize anything. Seriously, be thankful people took time to do these things. If all people get is negative feedback and crap from others, what do you think is gonna happen? It's all gonna go away. If you choose not to use a program or just feel like it has nothing to offer you, then fine. But don't sit around putting it down. Think about this.... This program took 5 months to create/code/check bugs and errors/redesign/etc. When have you ever taken 5 months to work on something every second of your free time and then just honestly give it away for FREE so that others may benefit from all your work.

It would be a much healthier and better community all around everywhere if everyone could stop for 5 minutes and think differently... examples:

Commodore4eva:
 (even though truthfully F/W  mods existed before him, he made great strides with the Bennys and the Lite Ons when no one else could) When you are flashing your Lite On, are you bitching at him for it not being easier? Or are you thinking "this is great! Now I can play backups (of your own retail games of course..lol)
Do you know how many hours he probably spent figuring out how it was done.. for FREE, for YOU!

Supermodder:
Ever used any Achievement modifying program or hash block calculator? You need to send this man some thanks then. He's the pioneer of all achievement tools in existence. None would exist without him. Long hours, yet again. But, he charged for it. It was $150 when it first came out. People complained about it being so much, but much more were exceedingly happy with his work and what they could now do... Coincidentally, his work made what I was doing much less important, and to an extent made me happy...

Azraelrs:

Ever used any gamesaves? Chances are you've played with my work. That's right, it was me playing that game for 150+ hours so you didn't have to.  To sit and play a horrible game for so many hours just to help others. How much have you paid for a save/saveset? None, all that was FREE. Mine is actually the worst, you never really get thanks. Someone leeches it, uploads it elsewhere and takes all the credit, you never even truly exist. There (were) quite a few people like this who did everything just to help the "scene" and keep it alive. And we are the ones who are truly thanked the least. Ever repaired your console? You might owe me some credit for that too. I am not the only one who has provided ideas and solutions, and there are some who have came along and provided better ones, and they are constantly improving, so I'm not taking any credit away from lots of great thinkers who have figured out tons of stuff and improved the repair knowledge beyond what Microsoft will actually do. And all that knowledge was shared... for FREE.

Dark Slipstream: If you've used one of many PC programs involving 360, you have probably been playing with his work. And everything I've seen come out him is free. With 360 Evolution, I was there the whole time, months and months of this. Me downloading 12 billion copies of the app and trying to break it, test the code, use, abuse, and find all errors. And now after so many months, here it is, for FREE.

There are quite a few others to thank if you ever see them, they are no less important and helped make everything you see around you, and everything that you use. I didn't purposely not mention or ignore them. I am just tired. To name a few more off the top of my head... Caleb Ragnarok, Eaton, Cyrax, the whole 360gs grew for really bringing game saving into the light, and more that aren't on the top of my head, but they are just as relevant.

Please think about these things next time you start wanting to complain and feel like you are "owed" something more. What if every person listed above charged you for every one of those things? How healthy do you think the "scene" would be right now?




QUOTE(unknown v2 @ Feb 20 2010, 11:22 PM) View Post

No sane person would pay to do something that DJ's program can do for free. The program has no selling point.


Unknown... this post makes no sense whatsoever. And you've been around long enough to know. There isn't an achievement unlocker even in this app. How can you compare the 2 when they don't do the same thing?

And one

more

time

It has no "selling point" because it isn't being sold. It's free!

I guess to get it through all of your heads, maybe every needs to start charging for everything. Maybe you will be more appreciative for all that you ahve available when it's gone.

So: I propose a $200 charge for (one) drive specific and locked copy of iXtreme
$500 for every jtag hack you do. (and a $10 charge for every hombrew you install.
Gamesaves (not a great point since no one really does that anymore) will be $5 per save per usage.
All profile tools/editors charge a $10 fee per usage. (everytime you open the app, you will have to Make a $10 payment before it will respond.


Sound good? NO? Well, then be happy you don't have to pay for any of that. Someone gave their time and hard work, just for you, at no charge.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: unknown v2 on February 20, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
That's the thing, Dark wants to charge for it. Yet, he fails to understand that he is not giving anyone a reason to buy it. We can all agree DJ's program has way more features in terms of modifying 360 content. What is the incentive he is hoping to offer that DJ didn't already add to his (for free)?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 20, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
QUOTE(unknown v2 @ Feb 20 2010, 11:52 PM) View Post

That's the thing, Dark wants to charge for it. Yet, he fails to understand that he is not giving anyone a reason to buy it. We can all agree DJ's program has way more features in terms of modifying 360 content. What is the incentive he is hoping to offer that DJ didn't already add to his (for free)?


I believe (know) that this program is 100% free. I don't know where you are getting he wants to charge from it from reading any of OUR posts. The only thing that has anything to do with money (which is why all these people started bitching) is when he talked about $10 that was a reference to how much VIP is on BS. And the fact that we are creating ADDITIONAL features which may only be available for VIP members as kind of a thanks for their support. Everything it does now, it does for free. There was never any plan to charge for it at all. There is no cost to use everything this program does and all of it's features. And there won't be. But we are hoping to put something(s) special in for the people who are supporting the site and there's nothing wrong with that. They have given to us, and we will try to give to them.
SO, for the last time.....

This program is FREE, all the features in it are FREE. There will at some point be additional features available for VIP as a thank you. There are also more features being added that are yet again... FREE!
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 03, 2020, 09:07:00 PM
I have never used any kind of profile tool nor any save games that I did not work on myself.

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Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 03, 2020, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 21 2010, 12:07 AM) *

I have never used any kind of profile tool nor any save games that I did not work on myself.


Ok, then that doesn't apply to you. So... how much you pay for the JTAG knowledge? (Since you seem determined to undermine my point)




Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: kaizzen23 on February 21, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
Free and $10 for VIP for additional content.

Yes, wow keep flaunting your so called intellect as if everyone in here is a moron.
A program that is completely free would not require $10 to gain access to the other features. That doesn't make any sense you moron!

lol and aiming for $10 per month? You guys are a complete joke! If it's so free then why not let people choose to donate or not for the 'VIP'. Donate an amount they see fit.

I notice the site is for sale. I'll buy it for free. However what would I pay for the VIP status of owning the site? What free amount in $'s would you deem fit?



Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 21, 2010, 04:52:00 AM
QUOTE(kaizzen23 @ Feb 21 2010, 08:13 AM) View Post

Free and $10 for VIP for additional content.

Yes, wow keep flaunting your so called intellect as if everyone in here is a moron.
A program that is completely free would not require $10 to gain access to the other features. That doesn't make any sense you moron!

lol and aiming for $10 per month? You guys are a complete joke! If it's so free then why not let people choose to donate or not for the 'VIP'. Donate an amount they see fit.

That's what I've been trying to say.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Jaggie on February 21, 2010, 06:39:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 21 2010, 04:12 AM) *

Never heard of either one.


Never said you should of...
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 21, 2010, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(kaizzen23 @ Feb 21 2010, 03:13 AM) View Post

Free and $10 for VIP for additional content.

Yes, wow keep flaunting your so called intellect as if everyone in here is a moron.
A program that is completely free would not require $10 to gain access to the other features. That doesn't make any sense you moron!

lol and aiming for $10 per month? You guys are a complete joke! If it's so free then why not let people choose to donate or not for the 'VIP'. Donate an amount they see fit.

I notice the site is for sale. I'll buy it for free. However what would I pay for the VIP status of owning the site? What free amount in $'s would you deem fit?


Apparently common sense is lost on the people here. Open the program and tell what part asks you to pay to use it. Then come back and call me a moron. Second, graduate from preschool, learn how to read. Better idea. Don't use it. I doubt you would know how since reading is beyond you.

Can you name an actual original program that doesn't have at some point additional features available for VIP/Premium members? I bet not.

But, as I was saying, if you can't comprehend basic language, I don't think it's for you. Maybe a good paint by numbers will work better. Although I must admit, you guys must live any exceedingly boring life with these kinds of protest...

I mean.. Modio has a VIP function. Horizon, the Actual PT, Project Infinity, actually, any and all programs have paid VIP perks. So i'm sure you don't use any of those.

You obviously don't play on XBL, because, well, Gold Members get more perks than Silver members, and you guys are 100% against that from my understanding.

You don't watch TV, because TV is free, but to get more channels and more options you would have to give some money...

I'm not sure how any of you know how to read or write, because school is free, but to get better schooling, you would have to pay.

Oh, and then the great one... the internet. It is possible to get some dial up for free, but to get better
internet and faster speed and the ability to do anything you need to pay..

I could go on forever about all the things you are bitching about that are contradictions, but I have other stuff to do today.

Enjoy your hypocrisy while you live in a fantasy world, where only certain things that further your point cross your mind.


If you don't like it, don't use. Easy enough. No one is going to cry or give a care in the world either way.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: xan21 on February 21, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
Ok sorry but i kinda have to chime in here after reading all this....

OK yes 10$ at some point for VIP....

THIS IS NOT VIP FOR JUST THE PROGRAM. IT IS FOR HIS SITE.

Granted. im sure like x360c Dark also promotes people to VIP for helping out the site... contributing... etc. Also VIP gives you access to almost everything on his site. Soooo its not for the program... its for the site... + the program

So IN THEORY: You can unlock 100% by being active in his site and being promoted to VIP.

I see nothing wrong with him wanting to give a little Extra to the people at his site who have earned it.





And yes Dark its me from x360c


PS: I do not endorse paying for any program. But i understand what he is doing. He is rewarding those loyal people on his site.

This post has been edited by xan21: Feb 22 2010, 02:31 AM
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 21, 2010, 06:44:00 PM
QUOTE(xan21 @ Feb 22 2010, 02:27 AM) View Post

Ok sorry but i kinda have to chime in here after reading all this....

OK yes 10$ at some point for VIP....

THIS IS NOT VIP FOR JUST THE PROGRAM. IT IS FOR HIS SITE.

Granted. im sure like x360c Dark also promotes people to VIP for helping out the site... contributing... etc. Also VIP gives you access to almost everything on his site. Soooo its not for the program... its for the site... + the program

So IN THEORY: You can unlock 100% by being active in his site and being promoted to VIP.

I see nothing wrong with him wanting to give a little Extra to the people at his site who have earned it.
And yes Dark its me from x360c
PS: I do not endorse paying for any program. But i understand what he is doing. He is rewarding those loyal people on his site.

Supposed I just want to use the program WITHOUT being a member.  I am a member of TOO many sites and I have lost track of most of them.

Plus I am not a fan of programs that require internet access.  I am totally against programs that require the internet to activate.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 21, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 21 2010, 09:44 PM) *

Supposed I just want to use the program WITHOUT being a member.  I am a member of TOO many sites and I have lost track of most of them.

Plus I am not a fan of programs that require internet access.  I am totally against programs that require the internet to activate.


Then it's probably not for you. Although we all know (none of us are stupid) that at some point someone will probably put effort into cracking it (even though there really isn't much point) and it'll work offline (or so they think)
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 21, 2010, 09:42:00 PM
I find xbox live gold a waste since I don't play online unless an achievement requires it.  I don't approve of those gold only downloads and demos (unless they are online demos only).  The only reason I even have gold is:

1: I would get 1 month gold cards when I bought certain PC games
2: Someone dropped a 12 month gold card in a parking lot and I found it.  You wouldn't believe the stuff people leave in shopping carts.  One time I found a $20 bill in a shopping cart.

Otherwise I probably would not even have gold as it is useless for me.

I really hope that an offline version is made.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: xan21 on February 21, 2010, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 21 2010, 11:42 PM) View Post

I find xbox live gold a waste since I don't play online unless an achievement requires it.  I don't approve of those gold only downloads and demos (unless they are online demos only).  The only reason I even have gold is:

1: I would get 1 month gold cards when I bought certain PC games
2: Someone dropped a 12 month gold card in a parking lot and I found it.  You wouldn't believe the stuff people leave in shopping carts.  One time I found a $20 bill in a shopping cart.

Otherwise I probably would not even have gold as it is useless for me.

I really hope that an offline version is made.


I agree
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: darkcrudus on February 22, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
heh, this led me to believe that this was able to edit dlc to work on other non jtagged consoles. sad day xP
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 22, 2010, 06:33:00 AM
QUOTE(darkcrudus @ Feb 22 2010, 02:54 AM) View Post

heh, this led me to believe that this was able to edit dlc to work on other non jtagged consoles. sad day xP


I'll be making a program to do that either in RC2 or RC3 (/Release).


As for those people arguing over it costing money, the VIP is for VIP on the site and is inactive in the current version (RC1) and may even not be used in RC2. It's open for everyone with an account. The reason I make use of accounts, is you need to completely bypass the login to make use of the application, while licensing is far easily bypassed.

You don't HAVE to pay to use anything, RC1 (and maybe RC2) is completely free, and even when I do start using Usergroup Restrictions, only a few things will ever be VIP. I don't see you guys complaining that the Profile Tool or Profile Editor cost money. PE is almost a 3 month price, they recharge you whenever they add 0.5 to their version.


For those of you who can't afford $10 a month, pay the $35 and get Lifetime and stop your fucking crying.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 22, 2010, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 22 2010, 02:33 PM) View Post

I'll be making a program to do that either in RC2 or RC3 (/Release).
As for those people arguing over it costing money, the VIP is for VIP on the site and is inactive in the current version (RC1) and may even not be used in RC2. It's open for everyone with an account. The reason I make use of accounts, is you need to completely bypass the login to make use of the application, while licensing is far easily bypassed.

You don't HAVE to pay to use anything, RC1 (and maybe RC2) is completely free, and even when I do start using Usergroup Restrictions, only a few things will ever be VIP. I don't see you guys complaining that the Profile Tool or Profile Editor cost money. PE is almost a 3 month price, they recharge you whenever they add 0.5 to their version.
For those of you who can't afford $10 a month, pay the $35 and get Lifetime and stop your ******* crying.

I never used a profile tool before so why would I complain about that.  I prefer to get my achievements legitimately.  I may like to fool around with a profile I don't care about.

What features will cost money and why are you charging for those features?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 22, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 22 2010, 09:46 AM) View Post

I never used a profile tool before so why would I complain about that.  I prefer to get my achievements legitimately.  I may like to fool around with a profile I don't care about.

What features will cost money and why are you charging for those features?



I am not entirely sure yet, but it may only be things that can influence in-game experiences over xbox live (online cheating).

Why do I charge money for something I have created... things cost money in life, get used to it.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: darkcrudus on February 22, 2010, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 22 2010, 07:33 AM) *

I'll be making a program to do that either in RC2 or RC3 (/Release).


that would be splended, =] it'll be awesome to have my dlc from my online box n make it work on my banned one
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ddxcb on February 22, 2010, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(darkcrudus @ Feb 22 2010, 10:19 AM) View Post

that would be splended, =] it'll be awesome to have my dlc from my online box n make it work on my banned one

I lol XD
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 23, 2010, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 22 2010, 05:19 PM) View Post

I am not entirely sure yet, but it may only be things that can influence in-game experiences over xbox live (online cheating).

That will definitely get Microsoft's attention.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: krizalid on February 24, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 22 2010, 11:19 AM) View Post
Why do I charge money for something I have created... things cost money in life, get used to it.


I agree on this with you, but.... this is not the place, and defenetly not the area for you to make money off of.

Homebrew and Scene is ofended by these kinds of statements. Go comercial, go code something for guys at the office that will pay for stuff.


Scene = Knowledge
Homebrew = Free


Cheers pop.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 25, 2010, 05:59:00 AM
QUOTE(krizalid @ Feb 25 2010, 07:03 AM) View Post

I agree on this with you, but.... this is not the place, and defenetly not the area for you to make money off of.

Homebrew and Scene is ofended by these kinds of statements. Go comercial, go code something for guys at the office that will pay for stuff.
Scene = Knowledge
Homebrew = Free
Cheers pop.gif

+1
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 27, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(hardrock351w @ Feb 27 2010, 10:29 AM) View Post

WOW!!!!  This guy is supposed to be an admin on DSS's site?
He basicly shot down our whole site!
As if he'll get people to buy a VIP status this way.
If I were DSS, I'd be mad at this guy.
I would have liked to join his site to check it out, but if "Azraelrs" is an admin??.....ummm....no
He's not an admin here, and look how he treats people.


I would cry if I were you. But you might wanna ask your mommy if that's okay first. I believe if any person learned how to read that statement would have been wrong of me to make.. And if you and people like you are "the scene" then it's dead already.


Even though I highly value your opinion. Perhaps you can see the justification behind my comments. Perhaps you can see that I had to make the same comment 15 times and yet still no one here was able to comprehend my simple words.

For future reference, if I wanted to shoot down your whole site, I would have simply asked... What have you done to improve the "scene"? Nothing huh?... yeaaahhh.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Dark Slipstream on February 28, 2010, 05:50:00 AM
QUOTE(krizalid @ Feb 25 2010, 01:03 AM) View Post

I agree on this with you, but.... this is not the place, and defenetly not the area for you to make money off of.

Homebrew and Scene is ofended by these kinds of statements. Go comercial, go code something for guys at the office that will pay for stuff.
Scene = Knowledge
Homebrew = Free
Cheers pop.gif


Homebrew has nothing to do with this app.

As well, incase you haven't read, the VIP features come from purchasing VIP for my entire site. I support free software, but as for free "homebrew", I think the "scene" can do without a bunch of go-happy JTAG'ees and their lobbies.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 28, 2010, 07:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Slipstream @ Feb 28 2010, 01:50 PM) View Post

Homebrew has nothing to do with this app.

As well, incase you haven't read, the VIP features come from purchasing VIP for my entire site. I support free software, but as for free "homebrew", I think the "scene" can do without a bunch of go-happy JTAG'ees and their lobbies.

Still if you want to FULLY use this app with ALL features you need to pay.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: ccfman2004 on February 28, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 28 2010, 09:05 PM) View Post

Umm, I just want my free shirt. I don't think it's right to have to pay for extra perks. Do you guys? Everything that is offered on this site should be free for me. Free Usenet, Free shirts, and Free access to whatever I want anytime I want. That's what all you guys are preaching right? So why are you on a site that would give you extras for $$$.. Seems rather hypocritical to me... LOL, just LOL.

What I am saying is you offer a free program but if you want to use all features you have to get a VIP membership which cost money so the "Free" program is not completely free.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on February 28, 2010, 02:43:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Feb 28 2010, 05:28 PM) View Post

What I am saying is you offer a free website but if you want to get all perks you have to pay for a Shirt or Usenet privileges which cost money so the "Free" site is not completely free.



So, which feature asks for you to pay for it when you open it? Oh, you don't know? Didn't bother to even get it huh?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Jaggie on February 28, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Where the fuck is my free t-shirt?  I demand you give it to me now, everything made by websites owners/admins should be free so where the fucking hell is my damn t-shirt?
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on March 01, 2010, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Azraelrs @ Feb 27 2010, 02:00 PM) View Post

I would cry if I were you. But you might wanna ask your mommy if that's okay first. I believe if any person learned how to read that statement would have been wrong of me to make.. And if you and people like you are "the scene" then it's dead already.
Even though I highly value your opinion. Perhaps you can see the justification behind my comments. Perhaps you can see that I had to make the same comment 15 times and yet still no one here was able to comprehend my simple words.

For future reference, if I wanted to shoot down your whole site, I would have simply asked... What have you done to improve the "scene"? Nothing huh?... yeaaahhh.


Lol....you crack me up,......don't you have a gamesave to make???lol Great contribution! rolleyes.gif
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Jaggie on March 01, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(hardrock351w @ Mar 1 2010, 04:04 PM) View Post

Lol....you crack me up,......don't you have a gamesave to make???lol Great contribution! rolleyes.gif


Sorry, I'm yet to see your contribution?  Feel free to prove me wrong...
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: hardrock351w on March 01, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Jaggie @ Mar 1 2010, 03:24 PM) View Post

Sorry, I'm yet to see your contribution?  Feel free to prove me wrong...

LOL here we go rolleyes.gif
I've actualy helped quite a few people on these forums.....but I've never made myself sound like I was some kind of "gift" to the scene like he did just because he uploaded his gamesaves.
Believe it or not, I was actualy trying to help DSS on my first post in this thread.
Title: 360 Evolution RC1
Post by: Azraelrs on March 01, 2010, 06:46:00 PM
QUOTE(hardrock351w @ Mar 1 2010, 10:04 AM) View Post

Lol....you crack me up,......don't you have a gamesave to make???lol Great contribution! rolleyes.gif


haha... yeah, I do. That's really all I ever do. Sit around and make game saves and brag about how awesome I am. One day I'll do something useful, I promise.