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Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: mingwingming on October 21, 2006, 06:03:00 AM
Hi finally firmwared my MS28 last night, and am now trying to make a backup of my Original Saints Row using Backup Creator 2.3 and my Sammy SH-D162C with Kreon 0.81 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If i go to make the Complete Backup I get as far as SS and then it fails me, If I ignore it will create the .iso and .dvd file but when burnt (using Clonecd) it fails.. wasnt suprised !!  

I tried playing around and if I goto Drive Tools and hit Security Sector I get the error Invalid Security Sector Detected Abort Retry Ignore,  if I click Ignore it does seem to save a SS file ??   Sure im being a dumb ass.. anyhelp would be appreciated dont want to waste too many Verbatim discs !!  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Also under the Read Tab  what does Current Partition do as opposed to complete backup..

Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on October 23, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
is there anymore info tha that? what does the log say? can you send me the ss to look at?

Current partition is just that..the current partition, nothing extra is done, just like as if you used isobuster to read the data.  Complete backup does all the work to make an xtreme style image.
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: mingwingming on October 23, 2006, 04:01:00 PM
Hi ,  thanks for the reply...  I will post the log below be nice to get this working from what I have read it sounds fantastic...  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)   I will send you the SS file.

CODE
Xbox Backup Creator v2.3 Build:0185 By Redline99

Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at [K]
   Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.81
Found ODD: HH9242E VLQ392E 1.0 at [M]
Getting media info [K]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
  
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100102F12000FB04DF0020339F              
  
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   F5E8AB6D                                      
  
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 F0  00  04A9B0 04B9AF 032612FC D1F70FE2    
   01 6B  00  20D7F0 20E7EF F78FB63F 1D7E59AC    
   03 74  00  DF85F0 DF95EF F1793217 99E48EDE    
   01 10  00  FB5B70 FB6B6F 9CC67FEB 92398AB0    
   07 6C  00  04A9B0 04B72F F437FCD0 00000000    
   05 38  00  20D7F0 20E56F EE1560D9 59000000    
   07 BE  00  DF85F0 DF936F AC3AEE77 B3000000    
   05 FC  00  FB5B70 FB68EF D4739BB5 0D010000    
   E0 EA  00  B3A2CF C9B081 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------
   Invalid security sector detected.
Security Sector Saved as SS.bin
Getting media info [K]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
  
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100102F12000FB04DF0020339F              
  
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   F5E8AB6D                                      
  
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 F0  00  04A9B0 04B9AF 032612FC D1F70FE2    
   01 6B  00  20D7F0 20E7EF F78FB63F 1D7E59AC    
   03 74  00  DF85F0 DF95EF F1793217 99E48EDE    
   01 10  00  FB5B70 FB6B6F 9CC67FEB 92398AB0    
   07 6C  00  04A9B0 04B72F F437FCD0 01000000    
   05 38  00  20D7F0 20E56F EE1560D9 5A000000    
   07 BE  00  DF85F0 DF936F AC3AEE77 B4000000    
   05 FC  00  FB5B70 FB68EF D4739BB5 0E010000    
   E0 EA  00  B3A2CF C9B081 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------
   Invalid security sector detected.
Security Sector Saved as SS.bin
Getting media info [K]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
Starting read process...
   Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 14.2 GB (15,288,340,480 bytes)
Space needed 7.05 GB (7,572,883,456 bytes)
Creating backup image [K]
   Opening image output file
   Processing Video Partition
   Processing Filler Sectors
   Inserting TAG information
   Processing PFI Sector
   Processing DMI Sector
   Processing Security Sector
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
  
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100102F12000FB04DF0020339F              
  
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   F5E8AB6D                                      
  
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 F0  00  04A9B0 04B9AF 032612FC D1F70FE2    
   01 6B  00  20D7F0 20E7EF F78FB63F 1D7E59AC    
   03 74  00  DF85F0 DF95EF F1793217 99E48EDE    
   01 10  00  FB5B70 FB6B6F 9CC67FEB 92398AB0    
   07 6C  00  04A9B0 04B72F F437FCD0 67010000    
   05 38  00  20D7F0 20E56F EE1560D9 5A000000    
   07 BE  00  DF85F0 DF936F AC3AEE77 B4000000    
   05 FC  00  FB5B70 FB68EF D4739BB5 0E010000    
   E0 EA  00  B3A2CF C9B081 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------
   Invalid security sector detected.
   Unlocking Game Partition
   Checking Game Partition Availability
   Processing Game Partition
   Reading XDVDFS File system
   Reading Volume Descriptor
   Processing Directory Table at sector 3296428
   Sorting Section Map
   Optimizing Section Map
   Summary ----------------------------------------------
      Section Mappings:      384
      Section Mappings Opt:  4
      Directories:           6
      Files:                 375
      Sectors in use:        3,560,470
      Total File Bytes:      6.79 GB (7,291,556,553 bytes)
      Last File Sys LBA:     3566768
Setting read speed to 2x
Setting SH-D162C error mode to 0x00
Setting read speed to 6x
Getting media info [K]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
   Read failed
   Operation cancelled!


Hope that helps you to help me and maybe others..   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: birdwig on October 23, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
You've probably already tried this, it seems like a fairly complex problem you're running into...

Try restarting.

I couldn't get XB Backup Creator to extract a ss.bin forever it always gave me an error. I tried restarting and it did it first try. I was impressed. From then on I haven't had any errors, but have always restarted before using xb backup creator anyway just for good measures.

I'm sure you've already tried this though.

Good luck.

Dustin
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: mingwingming on October 24, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
Hi birdwig,  I have tried rebooting me PC couple of times and generally messing about but still no go unfortunatly.

Thanks for the idea anyhow.
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on October 24, 2006, 12:43:00 PM
E10F3110 0102F120 00FB04DF 0020339F <-- Yours

E10F3110 0004FB20 00FB04DF 0020339F <---Valid

The bytes in bold are the "PSN of first sector of the game partition"

Yours
0x0102F120 - 0x30000 = 0xFFF120 (decimal 16773408)

Valid
0x0004FB20 - 0x30000 = 0x1FB20 (decimal 129824)

So... I get this info from the drive, something must be interfering with how the drive gets the info.  I have heard of this before and usually it comes down to hardware config issues.  What you can do for now is ignore the error and then when the reading is done, extract the ss, hex edit it, merge the ss back in before writing.  I don't know for sure if this will get you by, but it is something to try.
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: mingwingming on October 24, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
Redline99 thanks for the quick response, well it certainly gives me something to work on, I shall try the Hex Edit/ss Merge ,   not something I done before but sounds like sadistic fun! ! !  Im a sucker for messing with stuff (possibly why theres a hardware config somewhere on my rig  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) )

Should I find any results on fixing it which i will try my hardest to sort this weekend I shall most definitly post back with the cause(s) so you all know.

Thanks for the reply and thanks for the app even as it stands it will be very handy.

All the best
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: nowakezone on October 30, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
I have the same exact problem.  IT happens to me on XBC and Schtrom's 3.0 also.  It just started happening.  It used to work fine.  Now it happens on every disk i try to rip.  I am using Kreon 0.81.  Any ideas?
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: jabroniekilla on October 30, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
have you guys tried using isobuster to extract the game instead of xbc?
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 01, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
This is my problem.....

Found ODD: PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-108 1.20 at [D]
   Additional Info: 05/04/25  PIONEER
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at [E]
   Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.81
Found ODD: PC6632O KWJ235T 2.0B at [F]
Found ODD: QG7140H KIK415Z 1.0 at [G]
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
Starting read process...
   Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive H:\ 220 GB (236,449,067,008 bytes)
Space needed 7.05 GB (7,572,883,456 bytes)
Creating backup image [E]
   Opening image output file
   Processing Video Partition
   Processing Filler Sectors
   Inserting TAG information
   Processing PFI Sector
   Processing DMI Sector
   Processing Security Sector
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
   
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100102F12000FB04DF0020339F              
   
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   00000000                                      
   
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   ------------------------------------------
   Invalid security sector detected.
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
   
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100102F12000FB04DF0020339F              
   
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   00000000                                      
   
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   ------------------------------------------
   Invalid security sector detected.
   Unlocking Game Partition
   Checking Game Partition Availability
   Processing Game Partition
   Reading XDVDFS File system
   Reading Volume Descriptor
   Processing Directory Table at sector 1064776
   Sorting Section Map
   Optimizing Section Map
   Summary ----------------------------------------------
      Section Mappings:      31
      Section Mappings Opt:  3
      Directories:           1
      Files:                 27
      Sectors in use:        1,774,332
      Total File Bytes:      3.38 GB (3,633,799,676 bytes)
      Last File Sys LBA:     2811531
Setting SH-D162C error mode to 0x00
Creating Layer Break File
   LayerBreak file saved as: "condemned.dvd"
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
   Read completed in 00:21:08
Checking Stealth Compatibility
   Video is valid
   PFI is present
   DMI is present
   SS Failed. Unknown Data
Stealth Check Failed!
====================================================================
Xbox Backup Creator v2.3 Build:0185 By Redline99
ANYCHANCE you can shed some light on this, and try to figure out what is going on, im trying to BACKUP condemned (PAL)...THANX>> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on November 01, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
well the "Invalid security sector detected." means that now all the data or the bad data was found. This can happen sometimes on the SH-D162C.  Can you use the drive tools tab to extract the ss? What about other programs can they extract the ss correctly?
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 01, 2006, 04:06:00 PM
NO, ive tryed all the available software's to try and extract the ss.bin but no avail, keeps coming back saying unable to get security sector...i can save the PFI,DMI & the video sectors but not the Security Sectors...  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

Also when i click on Ignore it will carry on Backing up the game but their is no security sector on it...

This post has been edited by aviz06: Nov 2 2006, 12:09 AM
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on November 01, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
How is you SH-D162C connected? USB? IDE primary/slave? Transfer mode DMA or PIO? Etc... I think we need more information on the hardware configuration.  Also on the software side to you have any Virtual CD/DVD drives? Do you have any CD/DVD filter drivers (like AnyDVD for changing region codes on the fly, etc...) They can cause problems too.  Any one of these things mentioned could cause problems. I might be hard for me to pin point the exact problem for you, you need to look at your setup and experiment.
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 01, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
My drive is setup as IDE on DMA2 in the bios i have alcohol virtual dvd/cd, i dont use CD/DVD filter drivers, I do have pcouffin device for 32bits systems in my device manager, but i think that thisis for CloneCD or for the Virtual device for Alcohol...

SORRY, the Samsung Drive is set as MASTER on IDE... and the PIO is at 4 i think in the bios..

This post has been edited by aviz06: Nov 2 2006, 12:30 AM
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on November 01, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
PIO mode can cause problems and alcohol virtual dvd/cd might cause problems. Start with looking into those items, hopefully you'll find the right combination.

Is windows using PIO (look in the device manager under IDE)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 01, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
ive just disabled alcohol virtual settings and ive looked in device manager for the PIO and this is what it looks like...  (IMG:http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7867/devicemanagertw3.th.jpg)

This post has been edited by aviz06: Nov 2 2006, 03:01 AM
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: marantz on November 02, 2006, 12:43:00 PM
Had the same problem on my rig and have found a solution that works on my machine 100% everytime,i used to put the disk in first and then load the prog and would get the error all the time,now i load the prog first and then put the disk in and now all is well,i was trying all the virtual drive stuff and shutting down all my progs and the resetting the pc crap and after all that it was something as simple as this.
Hope it works for you guys,and could you post your results.

This post has been edited by marantz: Nov 2 2006, 08:45 PM
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 02, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
HEY!!! I Would like to shake your hand BUDDY, It worked  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) ....Here are my results now..

Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
   
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100004FB2000FB04DF0020339F              
   
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   568FB0EA                                      
   
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 D8  00  0346D0 0356CF 125FF0BC 7E9A4010    
   01 C7  00  20F8F0 2108EF 7B31896F CB7B338A    
   03 6E  00  DF0710 DF170F 2AA1C703 E787A822    
   01 B0  00  FCB930 FCC92F 8F01A3AB 32225526    
   07 2E  00  0346D0 03544F 776B7F81 00000000    
   05 2F  00  20F8F0 21066F BBB1D10D 5A000000    
   07 67  00  DF0710 DF148F 9A0BFE44 B4000000    
   05 1B  00  FCB930 FCC6AF FBA23504 0E010000    
   E0 0C  00  E8769C 326972 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------

The Only Thing is that it is bigger than the usual ss.bin's... is this right HERE IS A PIC..

(IMG:http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3504/ssbinbu1.th.jpg)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 02, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
It's OK ive sussed it, you have to make an image first with the Xbox Backup Creator, and their u have the bin, with security sector in place, in the seperate BIN File that gets created with the prog.. The method with ejecting first then load up the disc once the prog loads, DOES NOT WORK WITH Schtrom360XtractV3.0, i still get an ERROR.. But at lest ive got the other PROG to fall back on... AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THIS INFO,,,marantz..  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Redline99 on November 02, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
marantz - thanks for the info, I'll look it over.  The only thing is the code that executes at load time is the same code that executes later, for example switching from aspi to spti and such.  Interesting though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: Halain on November 03, 2006, 11:45:00 PM
My solution? format c:\

It worked for me, there is something We installed that interfieres between the driver and the system.
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: aviz06 on November 04, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
just eject the disc VIA Xbox Backup Creator software in the DRIVE TOOLS TAB, put in the disc click on LOAD in the DRIVE TOOLS TAB on the program, wait till it loads then click on START in the READ TAB, and away it goes it starts to BACK UP the disc with SECURITY SECTOR in place. If you insert the disc and close the DVD-ROM TRAY BEFORE YOU LOAD THE SOFTWARE it will not pickup the SECURITY SECTOR on the disc for some reason, but if you follow what i just sayed you will have NO PROBLEMS backing up your ORIGINAL GAME..  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

JUST HOPE THEIR IS A FIX FOR THIS SOON, WERE YOU CAN PUT THE DISC IN WITHOUT USING THE SOFTWARE TO EJECT & LOAD IT FOR YOU.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
Title: Xbox Backup Creator 2.3 - Sh-d162c Kreon
Post by: wallmur on November 09, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(aviz06 @ Nov 4 2006, 07:29 AM) *

just eject the disc VIA Xbox Backup Creator software in the DRIVE TOOLS TAB, put in the disc click on LOAD in the DRIVE TOOLS TAB on the program, wait till it loads then click on START in the READ TAB, and away it goes it starts to BACK UP the disc with SECURITY SECTOR in place. If you insert the disc and close the DVD-ROM TRAY BEFORE YOU LOAD THE SOFTWARE it will not pickup the SECURITY SECTOR on the disc for some reason, but if you follow what i just sayed you will have NO PROBLEMS backing up your ORIGINAL GAME..  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

JUST HOPE THEIR IS A FIX FOR THIS SOON, WERE YOU CAN PUT THE DISC IN WITHOUT USING THE SOFTWARE TO EJECT & LOAD IT FOR YOU.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)



I tried this and I am still getting the same error...I have tried a few things, removing d-tools and other burning programs, but that does not seem to help. Any one have any other work arounds.