Post by: PenguinComrade on September 12, 2009, 10:48:00 PM
Earlier I was testing out my 360's since I'm selling a couple but I had a couple of them mixed up and I couldn't remember which one was my banned xbox 360. The only way I knew of to tell was by connecting to xbox live. So I attempted to connect to xbox live and it said that it was banned so I was like okay, this is my banned/modded xbox 360.
Long story short.
After attempting to connect to Xbox Live it seems I've been unable to install games onto my hard drive, regardless of what title or if retail or not on my banned xbox 360. It always says "installation of this game isn't supported". I'm like WTF? It was working just fine earlier today. I haven't screwed around with it at all. I can install games onto my HDD using the other LIVE Xbox 360's.
As for what happens when I install the game on my LIVE Xbox 360's and attempt playing it on the banned box from the HDD, it says that it can only be played on the same 360 it was installed from and I'd have to reinstall it and from there the process repeats itself where I'm just not able to install games onto the HDD or play them from the HDD on my banned box.
Anyone else have issues like this or am I the only one?
Perhaps someone with a banned 360 would like to try and recreate this problem...?
I'm not sure what to believe at this moment... or even do...
The banned Xbox 360 has been updated to the latest dashboard update since I swap around from my live Xbox 360 and my banned Xbox 360.
Things already tried:
Removing the HDD and attempting to install the game.
Result: "Installation of this game isn't supported."
Removing the Dashboard update
Result: "Installation of this game isn't supported."
Removing and re-installing the Dashboard Update
Result: "Installation of this game isn't supported."
Installing the game from my LIVE Xbox 360 and attempting to play from my HDD from my Banned Xbox 360
Result: Error message just saying that I'm unable to play the game from the HDD that was installed from another console and I'd have to re-install the game.
Will it blend?
Result: Doesn't fit in my blender.
Post by: majinsoftware on September 12, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 13, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Sep 12 2009, 10:14 PM) 
Is the hdd a orignal ms one or a hacked one, Also try to reformat it on the xbox you want to install games with.
It's the original HDD. I tried doing essentially the same thing with a memory card since I have far too many things to re-download on my 120gb HDD. Though luckily I remembered bout my brothers 120gb HDD which I shall use for the experiment since all of his stuff will fit on a 512 MB Memory Card.
Okay well since I can't edit my first post...
Formatted the HDD on the banned Xbox 360 and attempted to install several games both retail and backup
List of games: Too Human, Bully, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 4, Viking and that's it, I know they're all compatible.
Result: "Installation of this game isn't supported."
Install DLC from Disc (Retail)
DLC Attempted: Fallout 3 Operation Anchorage and The Pitt
Result: Works
of course I wont know if it's some weird issue with my own console or if it's something that'll happen to everyone who has a banned Xbox 360 that attempts to connect to LIVE until someone else attempts it as well.
This post has been edited by PenguinComrade: Sep 13 2009, 05:26 PM
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 15, 2009, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: A t t i l a on September 15, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
I have the same problem. I've already tried to format the HDD, but it hasn't solved the problem. And where did you download the update for the banned box? Maybe the offline (non-official) update has some problem. Anyway it's also strange that the last update is the 2008 Autumn update on the official xbox homepage.
Is there any easy way to remove the latest dashboard?
My friend mentioned something that may be the solution. I'll come back tomorrow if I had the details.
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 15, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
QUOTE(A t t i l a @ Sep 15 2009, 02:16 PM) 
Hi guys,
I have the same problem. I've already tried to format the HDD, but it hasn't solved the problem. And where did you download the update for the banned box? Maybe the offline (non-official) update has some problem. Anyway it's also strange that the last update is the 2008 Autumn update on the official xbox homepage.
Is there any easy way to remove the latest dashboard?
My friend mentioned something that may be the solution. I'll come back tomorrow if I had the details.
I got it off my LIVE 360, I have several 360's but only one is banned. So basically the update came off another 360. I've already tried removing the update off the Memory Card and HDD but that doesn't make a difference, it always stays the same and I'm still unable to install the games onto the HDD.
Post by: A t t i l a on September 18, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
When we put my HDD to my friend's non-banned box (with the latest dashboard update), it seemed to update the dash just because of my HDD. On my own xbox it doesn't still work to install game.
After all the only problem that I can imagine is the old firmware... I don't know exactly what version I have but I have to "downpatch" the disc image with ppf-o-matic.
This all is a mistery...
This post has been edited by A t t i l a: Sep 18 2009, 08:34 PM
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 18, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(A t t i l a @ Sep 18 2009, 12:33 PM)
Unfortunately we can't find the solution.
When we put my HDD to my friend's non-banned box (with the latest dashboard update), it seemed to update the dash just because of my HDD. On my own xbox it doesn't still work to install game.
After all the only problem that I can imagine is the old firmware... I don't know exactly what version I have but I have to "downpatch" the disc image with ppf-o-matic.
This all is a mistery...
I doubt it's 'cause of old Firmware. I can play the games just fine without installing them to the HDD but when I attempt to install it into the Hard Drive it just wont let me. This is with BOTH RETAIL and BACK UP games. I'm certain MS is just bricking the Xbox 360 like that but we wont know until someone decides to take the fall with their banned Xbox 360 that can install games and try to connect to Xbox Live then attempt to install the games again afterward.
Post by: sepherino on September 19, 2009, 11:43:00 PM
But you should also note, if you try to move any games saves from the banned xbox now over to a live xbox - the data will show as corrupt.
In short - as it is now, whats played on the banned xbox, stays on the banned xbox.
Let me know if you find any way to get the ability back to store retail or burned games onto the hdd of your banned 360.
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 19, 2009, 11:49:00 PM
QUOTE(sepherino @ Sep 19 2009, 10:43 PM)
I've just run into this same problem.
But you should also note, if you try to move any games saves from the banned xbox now over to a live xbox - the data will show as corrupt.
In short - as it is now, whats played on the banned xbox, stays on the banned xbox.
Let me know if you find any way to get the ability back to store retail or burned games onto the hdd of your banned 360.
Well I don't know bout the saved game thing. I've gotta try it out myself. I'm using the same hard drive for both my LIVE xbox 360 and BANNED Xbox 360. I'll test this out though to confirm it or deny it.
I think this a new situation and we're the firsts to possibly come across the problem. There doesn't seem to be any way to restore it as far as I know of at least any conventional ways.
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 20, 2009, 12:14:00 AM
QUOTE(sepherino @ Sep 19 2009, 10:43 PM)
But you should also note, if you try to move any games saves from the banned xbox now over to a live xbox - the data will show as corrupt.
In short - as it is now, whats played on the banned xbox, stays on the banned xbox.
It is CONFIRMED!
Any and all games on your banned Xbox 360 will stay on it. If you do what I do and swap HDDs then your gamer profile will become corrupt along with any game data for any game that you played on it. At least any that has saved on that console otherwise you're fine.
Also if you try to move ANY saved data to a memory card it will say that the item you're trying to move can't be moved between devices. I'm not sure about alternate methods like using the connectivity kit and the likes.
So BEWARE...
I Suspect this is within the new Dashboard update but I am not certain or perhaps it's just the attempt to connect to LIVE with the NEW dashboard update that is causing this. I do not know for sure. Perhaps others can clarify on this but this all started when I attempted to Connect to Live on my Banned Xbox 360 with the newest Dashboard.
All I can is that I'm fairly certain Microsoft is starting to Brick Banned Xbox 360's in some sense..
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 20, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
I tested the theory out. What I did is test it out on Too Human using my HDD that I use on my LIVE Xbox 360, signed into some random old XBL profile, I went onto there and basically made a new character then just played a few minutes then I got an achievement on the profile. So from there I just quit Too Human and attempted to transfer the game save to a memory card and I KNOW it can be transferred and it just tells me that it can't be transferred between devices. I didn't attempt with profiles though, that's something I forgot to do.
Anyway, I said okay screw it so I just turned off the console and disconnected the HDD and reconnected it to my LIVE 360. So I just go about my normal business and as I look for the profile it's not there anymore. I go to Memory and it says that the profile is corrupt and I'm not able to sign into it without recovering my profile which would contain data from the last time I connected to Xbox Live so any achievements earned on a banned Xbox 360 won't be transferable from 360 to 360 it just becomes corrupt and lost data. I attempted to play Too Human on my LIVE 360 and tried again on the random profile, after recovering the profile, and as I got into Too Human main menu it said that my data is corrupt and can't be loaded and it would set everything back to the defaults.
So far what I know is that this all happened to me when I attempted to connect to LIVE on my BANNED xbox 360 with the newest update. I only knew that it wouldn't install games but I didn't know that the game data and profiles became corrupt after playing on the banned Xbox 360 until it was mentioned over here.
Post by: PenguinComrade on September 20, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: bonannogiovanni on September 30, 2009, 02:27:00 AM
QUOTE(PenguinComrade @ Sep 20 2009, 05:33 PM)
Forgot to mention one more thing, 2.0.8498.0 is the Dashboard version of both my LIVE 360 and BANNED 360 not sure bout anyone else.
Unfortunately I've got the same symptoms as you. Do you know if after the 9/23 dashboard update things have changed?
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Post by: Cybore on October 30, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
I have a question for those of you that are getting this message for all games:
Can you play the games that you had previously installed to the 360 off the hard drive?
Kinda sucks that now you not only have to fear not being able to access live ever again, but your xbox sounding like a jet for the rest of it's life.
Post by: T-Mac on October 30, 2009, 08:24:00 PM
to play this game from hdd uninstall and reinstall again.
this is f@#$^g weird
Post by: amak1131 on October 31, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: nfidel on October 31, 2009, 08:56:00 PM
QUOTE(amak1131 @ Nov 1 2009, 03:49 AM)
Has anyone who has been banned tested Xplorer360 and transferring the saves? I doubt the ban modified the saves to give a corruption error, so I think this is being done at the Dashboard/Kernel level when you're banned.
That was my question. I am guessing Xplorer360 won't be able to transfer the saves because they are now getting encrypted based on the console's ID. That is why they appear corrupt when moved to another console. Just a guess...
Post by: jebise1001 on October 31, 2009, 09:10:00 PM
Besides the ability to install games on the banned xbox, dose it still work as before like you are able to load and save games?
what if you take your banned hdd and play a game on the not banned xbox and then and put it in the banned xbox can you access the safe?
Post by: nuzz on October 31, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
If you get an email before you have a chance to avoid not being able to install games on hdd..
Post by: jebise1001 on October 31, 2009, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: death69inc on November 01, 2009, 12:02:00 AM
to a new 20 gig
and copy gears of war 2 saves from abnned hd to memery card
worked fine on none banned xbox
QUOTE(jebise1001 @ Nov 1 2009, 06:42 AM)
They do not send out emails for console bans, so you would not know until you connect to live.
call microcrap about this bs and they tell you ...you will recieve an email with the reason lol i have yet to get an email
or a reason why they banned my system when only mod to it was a spoof and a bev 120 hd
This post has been edited by death69inc: Nov 1 2009, 07:03 AM
Post by: jebise1001 on November 01, 2009, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: death69inc on November 01, 2009, 12:11:00 AM
QUOTE(jebise1001 @ Nov 1 2009, 07:09 AM)
so you where able to copy gears save from the banned HDD to a memory card using which 360? the banned one or the unbanned one?
copied the game save on the banned one to memory card
then coipied from mem card to another hd and save worked on nonbanned 360
so dif hd and dif system running save from banned xbox
would try it with boarder lands but i took it back to bockbuster when my other console was banned so dont have a capy to try the game save lol
WAW only played online so do not have a game save
i can try sacred 2 save next
This post has been edited by death69inc: Nov 1 2009, 07:25 AM
Post by: CK0 on November 01, 2009, 12:11:00 AM
From what I gather from PenguinComrade's post, saves on the HDD of a banned console (played and saved on banned console) will not work, in other words will show up as corrupt on a clean console?
For instance, played Batman:AA on banned box, and go plug in the HDD(with the B:AA save) on my buddy's clean box to play retail copy, it won't show up? What happens if I return the HDD to my banned box - will the file now change to being corrupted?
I'd also like to know how this affects the gamer profile as well.
Post by: piratesteve508 on November 01, 2009, 12:52:00 AM
Thats what I did in anticipation of me getting banned (has not happened yet) I have a separate 360 that has never touched live (waiting for the jtag hack to work on jaspers) I took my hdd and plugged it into it and copied all the gamesaves that I care about to the internal memory built into the jasper that way I can try this out if i happen to get banned. BTW I have a hacked 250gb hdd.
Post by: jebise1001 on November 01, 2009, 01:50:00 AM
Anywho, gamesave still work on a banned HDD/360 It installing games that do not work and using the banned hdd data on a different console dose not work.
Post by: zombie13 on November 01, 2009, 02:25:00 AM
I'm guessing an update from a game disc couldn't ban my console, as it would have to contain a list of banned consoles up to the point of the disc being pressed. Although I guess if they can detect hacked HDDs in future updates then that might be a problem.
Post by: Wildman01 on November 01, 2009, 02:57:00 AM
QUOTE(zombie13 @ Nov 1 2009, 10:25 AM)
I'm guessing an update from a game disc couldn't ban my console, as it would have to contain a list of banned consoles up to the point of the disc being pressed. Although I guess if they can detect hacked HDDs in future updates then that might be a problem.
I don't think you should have any problems if you don't connect to Live anymore.
Post by: slayer902 on November 01, 2009, 04:55:00 AM
for a fact, alot of people who get banned put their hdd on a new xbox that THEY BUY. what incentive do they have to do that if the HDD isn't going to work ?
Post by: omega232 on November 01, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: Tj1zzle on November 01, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
-also has anyone successfully backedup up their hdd to their computer. then transferred to another hdd previous to the ban, then get banned an have them work still?
-and lastly someone who has banned saves, does resigning them with a game save resigner to a different save device id or gt id work?
Post by: neily78 on November 02, 2009, 06:08:00 AM
Only play backups from my original games GTA IV including all the DLC and Forza 2. Not risking losing the ability to play from my harddrive as that's the only reason I upgraded it.
At the end of the day you flash your DVD and take your chance but removing important functionality like that has sealed the deal for me, before I was never too fussed if I got banned as I'd lose very little but this has tipped the scales the other way.
It's interesting that this hasn't happened to everyone in the recent ban wave though, time will tell if it affects more people I guess.
Post by: pmcguire on November 02, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
Self imposed ban for me too, I have the PS3 for multiplayer (not that I ever used it) and demos.
XBox Live is nice to have but not really essential, installing games to drive is for me though as it sounds like a jet engine otherwise.
Bought all games where possible for the PS3 platform anyway, no worries.
Post by: bonneville1992 on November 02, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
Don't get me wrong, we've violated the TOS agreement, but beeing banned from live isn't good enough for them, they just had to take it one step further with the hdd bricking. total bullshit if i ever seen anything like itl i'm not banned, but don't plan on taking the chance.
Post by: drewis on November 02, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
is there no current way to downgrade the dash at all? maybe it's in the dashboard- removing the ability to install games.
Post by: mypollywog on November 03, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: T-Mac on November 03, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: PenguinComrade on November 04, 2009, 12:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Cybore @ Oct 30 2009, 07:07 PM)
I have a question for those of you that are getting this message for all games:
Can you play the games that you had previously installed to the 360 off the hard drive?
Can you play the games that you had previously installed to the 360 off the hard drive?
If the situation is anything like mines then no. It just tells you that you need to reinstall the game but you wont be able to since you can't install games anymore.
QUOTE(jebise1001 @ Oct 31 2009, 08:10 PM)
so what you guys are saying is what's on the banned HDD stays on the banned HDD? there is no possible way to move it to either a different xbox or different HDD?
Besides the ability to install games on the banned xbox, dose it still work as before like you are able to load and save games?
what if you take your banned hdd and play a game on the not banned xbox and then and put it in the banned xbox can you access the safe?
Besides the ability to install games on the banned xbox, dose it still work as before like you are able to load and save games?
what if you take your banned hdd and play a game on the not banned xbox and then and put it in the banned xbox can you access the safe?
In a sense yes and in a sense no. If you go crazy with it and decide you want to play games and on your profile, any data that you decide to save/load/use will become corrupt if you try and put it on another xbox 360. However it seems like some have had luck transfering data to their MU and putting it onto an unbanned Xbox 360 without corruption but if the situation is anything like mines, you'll be unable to transfer any data to the MU from the HDD at least via your banned xbox 360.
Yes it still works like before with being able to save and load games.
If you take your HDD put it on a non banned console play a game, save something then put it on your banned 360 it'll work just fine, it's only the other way around where the problem lies assuming the situation is like mines.
QUOTE(CK0 @ Oct 31 2009, 11:11 PM)
I have a specific question:
From what I gather from PenguinComrade's post, saves on the HDD of a banned console (played and saved on banned console) will not work, in other words will show up as corrupt on a clean console?
For instance, played Batman:AA on banned box, and go plug in the HDD(with the B:AA save) on my buddy's clean box to play retail copy, it won't show up? What happens if I return the HDD to my banned box - will the file now change to being corrupted?
I'd also like to know how this affects the gamer profile as well.
From what I gather from PenguinComrade's post, saves on the HDD of a banned console (played and saved on banned console) will not work, in other words will show up as corrupt on a clean console?
For instance, played Batman:AA on banned box, and go plug in the HDD(with the B:AA save) on my buddy's clean box to play retail copy, it won't show up? What happens if I return the HDD to my banned box - will the file now change to being corrupted?
I'd also like to know how this affects the gamer profile as well.
Here let's put it this way. Lets say I decide to play too human, I load up my profile and I load up my saved game. some time goes along and I make some progress then I save. I switch over to my non banned Xbox 360 to try and update my gamerscore my profile goes corrupt, it doesn't appear in the profiles listing. I recover my GT and decide I'll play my retail copy of Too Human to try and regain those achievements just by popping in the game while connected to live and loading up a saved game. So I attempt to load up the saved game and the game tells me that it has become corrupt.
Nothing will happen if you go from a non banned box to a banned box. it's only the other way around where things start happening.
QUOTE(zombie13 @ Nov 1 2009, 02:25 AM)
I haven't connected to Live since before the ban wave, so my 360 with hacked 120GB HDD still works fine. If I never connect to live again, and always use this same HDD, should I still be fine playing and installing games offline from now on? I'm wondering if a future mandotory dash update that is on a game disc could cause problems in the future.
Yes you should be fine up until you connect to live and receive the ban hammer. As for the future, who knows?
QUOTE(omega232 @ Nov 1 2009, 07:42 AM)
Anyone able to confirm if the hard drive works as normal on an unbanned xbox?
It works like normal on an unbanned 360 as long as you dont do anything with it on the banned box like play games or sign into your profile, etc. Well fact is that drive will work just like normal on an unbanned xbox 360 it's just that it'll probably contain corrupt data like game saves and gamer profiles but aside from that nothing at least in my case.
Post by: CK0 on November 04, 2009, 03:03:00 AM
QUOTE(PenguinComrade @ Nov 4 2009, 08:15 AM) 
Here let's put it this way. Lets say I decide to play too human, I load up my profile and I load up my saved game. some time goes along and I make some progress then I save. I switch over to my non banned Xbox 360 to try and update my gamerscore my profile goes corrupt, it doesn't appear in the profiles listing. I recover my GT and decide I'll play my retail copy of Too Human to try and regain those achievements just by popping in the game while connected to live and loading up a saved game. So I attempt to load up the saved game and the game tells me that it has become corrupt.
Nothing will happen if you go from a non banned box to a banned box. it's only the other way around where things start happening.
That means they must tie something illegitimate to the HDD. What could it be?
Unless they flagged a certain profile as being associated with any existing bans, I don't see how they can determine this. I mean, gamesaves are gamesaves.
Post by: PenguinComrade on November 04, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(CK0 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:03 AM)
That means they must tie something illegitimate to the HDD. What could it be?
Unless they flagged a certain profile as being associated with any existing bans, I don't see how they can determine this. I mean, gamesaves are gamesaves.
It sounds odd I know, I don't get it either but that's only if your situation is anything like mines and this is the situation with mines. Though I've come across some people saying that the data only becomes corrupt when you gain an achievement on a banned console, as in you gain an achievement on the banned xbox 360 then try to update your GS on an unbanned console the data will become corrupt.
Post by: CK0 on November 04, 2009, 10:07:00 PM
One for backups, the other console for playing LIVE games. Switch the HDD when needed.
Except I have game saves from full retail games; RE5, GTA IV, etc... on the same profile.
I just tried, and was able to install a backup onto the HDD. That is probably because I have not updated anything from LIVE in a few months.
Post by: tech3475 on November 05, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
I currently have one 60GB HDD and a 512mb MC. I have a question:
Are saves corrupted the moment you are banned? Or are they only corrupted the moment you attempt to play that game?
Also is it possible for me to recover my profile to my MC, and whenever I want to use it on a good (unmodded) console to sign in using that with my HDD to save then whenever I want to run a backup to sign in using the corrupt profile on the HDD on the modded console and then just save the game onto the MC?
Post by: I'dkickurass@cod2 on November 05, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: CK0 on November 06, 2009, 12:42:00 AM
QUOTE(I'dkickurass@cod2 @ Nov 6 2009, 02:20 AM)
The REAL reason why all your gamesaves are corrupt because the console ID that's saved along with the Profile and device id on that gamesave, has been blacklisted and will only work on that console only now. All you need is Xplorer360 (or xport), a transfer kit, and a Con resigner that also resigns the console id as well to your new 360's console id.
That sounds pretty legit, man.
Is there a tutorial anywhere to do this 'resigning'? I googled for those keywords but only came up with some avatar hacking, which I have no interest in.
Post by: benhouli on November 06, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
i banned too from Live
and can't install or play game from the HDD
anyone know about any sulotion ?
i just want to able to play and install games on the HDD
the Live issue doesn't metter to me
thanks all
update :
and of course...
now i see that i can't load any saves from the HDD
i was on a half season on NBA2K10 :/
hope for any sulotion about the saving issue and load that saves
Post by: funke on November 06, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
Hope someone gets ot the bottom of this and finds away for us to install to the HDD again. Noise is just unbearable.
Post by: krg on November 06, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Note : the dashboard must be the problem because I can install Forza cd2 when I load the game with forza CD1.... Noise from my Benq make me sick
looking forward for a solution
Post by: Fantaji on November 06, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
DVD makes noise all the time. I hope someone find a way to fix it.
Post by: foaley77 on November 07, 2009, 03:02:00 AM
Post by: vildzek on November 07, 2009, 04:06:00 AM
Post by: predaking10 on November 07, 2009, 05:39:00 AM
I have a 120Gb elite Xbox and got banned, i can live with the ban but my hdd just works as a memory card, that sucks bigtime, so i hope someone will bypass the protection on band xboxes. I was considering buying an arcade and inserting the 120 Gb hd to the new xbox. My question is how do i format the old hd so i can use it with the new xbox?
cheers!
Post by: krg on November 07, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
My question now. If I format my HDD, put the drive on a legit 360, go on live, download my gamertag and after if I put the HDD on my banned 360 should I be able to install game like before ?
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on November 07, 2009, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: H311m4n on November 07, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
I don't even have gold live, only silver but I guess that was enough to get my good 3 year old xbox banned. If M-BullS think its going to make me buy a new one just because Christmas is almost here they can keep dreaming. Ban me from live if you want, but don't brick my console for it. I do have back-ups, but I also have every game in a legit little green box for f's sakes
, I gave you money MS, although your games are so damn expensive, but still you had to ban me didn't you? Well guess what, Sony will probably get my money next, not you.Like most people, I don't care about being banned from live itself since I don't care about online, but being able to install games on the HDD is just something I must have since this stupid console is so damn loud.
I've had it with MS. Will use my banned xbox for xbox-only games (like FM3 or Halo) for the rest I have my PC so its not so bad I guess, its just annoying really
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Post by: H311m4n on November 07, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
On an another forum, a guy said his mate called up MS to see wtf was going on and the guy at MS told him that they had detected 1.60 firmware and so they banned him...BUT:
The guy seemed extremely surprised when they told him that it wasn't possible anymore to install games to the HDD and said it must be a "side effect" from their detection method.
MS also said there's nothing they can do about it... so it seems like we got owned because of some bug on their part!
Post by: Z3ro3X on November 07, 2009, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: H311m4n on November 08, 2009, 06:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Z3ro3X @ Nov 8 2009, 07:40 AM)
Same problem with me. If any one figures out a solution I'd like to hear it.
Well the way I see it, the only solutions are:
1. Buy a new xbox and leave it stock to go on live with legit copies and keep your backups for your banned xbox
2. Buy a dead xbox on ebay for 20-40$ and repair it yourself, rrods are essentially caused by overheating, I guess its not that hard to fix (tbh I just bought one yesterday for 30$)
3. Call up MS to ask them what the hell is going on with the HDD, they'll likely tell you that you got pwnd and that there's nothing you or they can do about it. After all we did violate the warranty...but I do wonder if MS had the right to "brick" our consoles the way they did ("brick" in the sense that we can't use our HDDs no more without formatting it. I mean, what's the point of 120Gb if I can't install anything on it...
). As someone said it before, its our hardware, we paid for it and we have the right to do what we want with hit. Hell, if I decide to take a sledgehammer and smash my xbox 360 with it, are they going to ban me from live too? 
4. If you didn't break your warranty sticker, I guess you could try to call MS and say you got a rrod and need your console repaired. If they ask for a bill or anything, tell them you bought the console on ebay and you don't have anything. That's what I did with my xbox 2 years ago (I bought it on ebay and it wasn't modded at the time), it died and they still accepted it. It is probable that they'll send you a new system (at least that's the rumor) instead of repairing it.
5. If even possible (and I don't think it is) we can wait for a fix from someone...
6. Finally, you could ditch your xbox and buy a ps3 but I don't know what those consoles are worth...i know online is free which is pretty cool
Post by: Z3ro3X on November 08, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
QUOTE(H311m4n @ Nov 8 2009, 08:43 AM)
6. Finally, you could ditch your xbox and buy a ps3 but I don't know what those consoles are worth...i know online is free which is pretty cool
Funny story! I didn't even pay for this xbox. My sister gave it to me for watching her dog for 2 weeks. She didn't pay for it either. She got it from my brother. Well, not this exact one. The one she gave me she got from Microsoft after mailing in the one she got from my brother after it got the rrod. The one my brother had he jacked from his room mate when he moved out. His room mate didn't miss it because she was arrested for drugs and trying to run over a cop with her car.
I told my sister not to bother mailing the modded, RRoD, expired warranty xbox to Microsoft because they're not going to fix it. But she did it anyway and about a week later they mailed us a bran new one (or at least a refurbished one) back to us. Yeah, I was shocked to. After the shock wore off I modded that one to and been playing games on it ever since. The only money of mine Microsoft ever got off me was for the 3 months of live I never used. I only got live so I can play my cousin and the little turd never got on to play. Most of the time I had that xbox it still had the old dashboard before it could install games to the HD.
At the end of the day I don't care. Microsoft can suck a c@ck. The only time I ever game with other people is either on the same console or through system link and I haven't done a system link in more then a year. Most of my gaming is single player 90% of the time and the occasional split screen 2 player co-op with a friend or family member. If I decide to get back to online gaming it's going to be with a PC. When I was younger I did a lot of online gaming on the PC long before the first xbox came out. I honestly never saw the attraction of online gaming with DRM infested consoles.
One of these days I'd like to see the gaming community come together and put together the designs for an open gaming console with all open source software and maybe some open source hardware to. If not the community then maybe we can all get Google to come out with their own console. I'd buy a console from Google before I buy one from Microsoft or Sony.
Post by: adibose on November 08, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
if nothing will appear until mid of Dec i will buy a new console (the exiting one I will keep it for spare parts) .....
it must be a glitch or something, in order to cancel the restriction on the HDD-s...
Post by: neverthesame on November 08, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
when 1.7 comes out, you flash your firmware then format the hd on a non-banned xbox, then you recover your gamertag and update the dashboard to the latest. Then put the hd on the banned xbox and see what happend... will the "install game" feature be fixed?
you can try with the 1.51 too (this is my guess if what H311m4n read in other forum is true)
sorry for the bad english
Post by: benhouli on November 09, 2009, 03:22:00 AM
and if it's true
anyone know a why to downgrade the dashboard the any old version ?
Post by: H311m4n on November 09, 2009, 03:33:00 AM
QUOTE(neverthesame @ Nov 9 2009, 06:09 AM)
Hello everyone, what if:
when 1.7 comes out, you flash your firmware then format the hd on a non-banned xbox, then you recover your gamertag and update the dashboard to the latest. Then put the hd on the banned xbox and see what happend... will the "install game" feature be fixed?
you can try with the 1.51 too (this is my guess if what H311m4n read in other forum is true)
sorry for the bad english
Well I have 1.51, but this ban wave obviously targeted everyone with a system that was not 100% legit. I mean, there are people that were banned simply for having a flashed drive but that got banned while playing a legit copy. I don't know, MS really pushed it this time.
I can't remember if I accepted an update for the dashboard last week. In fact the only update I remember about was for FM3 I think...meh anyway, I'm not sure that updating the firmware on the drive to the next version is going to change anything. Something must have been done by MS in the xbox itself to lock the HDD feature and I'm not really sure we'll ever be able to fix that :/
Also, MS perfectly know about "us", meaning people who flashed their drives to play copies. They know the scene is resourceful...as a consequence, if the trick was as simple as downgrading the dashboard then their ban wave would have no point at all
But we all know how this will go. Its a cat and mouse game. They ban us, we find new ways, they ban us again, we find new ways again etc. and it'll go on like this forever. Pirates probably prefer to buy a new system for a 100$ rather than buying every game for the same price (at least that's what they cost where I live).
Post by: benhouli on November 09, 2009, 04:10:00 AM
QUOTE(H311m4n @ Nov 9 2009, 12:33 PM)
Well I have 1.51, but this ban wave obviously targeted everyone with a system that was not 100% legit. I mean, there are people that were banned simply for having a flashed drive but that got banned while playing a legit copy. I don't know, MS really pushed it this time.
I can't remember if I accepted an update for the dashboard last week. In fact the only update I remember about was for FM3 I think...meh anyway, I'm not sure that updating the firmware on the drive to the next version is going to change anything. Something must have been done by MS in the xbox itself to lock the HDD feature and I'm not really sure we'll ever be able to fix that :/
Also, MS perfectly know about "us", meaning people who flashed their drives to play copies. They know the scene is resourceful...as a consequence, if the trick was as simple as downgrading the dashboard then their ban wave would have no point at all
But we all know how this will go. Its a cat and mouse game. They ban us, we find new ways, they ban us again, we find new ways again etc. and it'll go on like this forever. Pirates probably prefer to buy a new system for a 100$ rather than buying every game for the same price (at least that's what they cost where I live).
i have some computers thought...
if i will take new xbox360 that never went to live
and take the HDD connect it to the computer will do "Norton Ghost" on it
and will take the HDD of the banned xbox and will do disk from image ...
u think it will fix the HDD brick problem ?
Post by: H311m4n on November 09, 2009, 04:41:00 AM
QUOTE(benhouli @ Nov 9 2009, 12:10 PM)
i have some computers thought...
if i will take new xbox360 that never went to live
and take the HDD connect it to the computer will do "Norton Ghost" on it
and will take the HDD of the banned xbox and will do disk from image ...
u think it will fix the HDD brick problem ?
Just to be clear, your HDD is not bricked! You just can't use your banned 360 to install games to it anymore. If you put that HDD in a legit 360 it'll work, you don't need to format it.
Read more here http://xbox-scene.com/
QUOTE
The hard drive itself is left untouched - you can place it in another 360, even an unbanned one, and it will still work just fine. You do NOT need to reformat it to regain any kind of functionality.
Post by: benhouli on November 09, 2009, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(H311m4n @ Nov 9 2009, 01:41 PM)
Just to be clear, your HDD is not bricked! You just can't use your banned 360 to install games to it anymore. If you put that HDD in a legit 360 it'll work, you don't need to format it.
Read more here http://xbox-scene.com/
it's interesting how it recognize that the xbox is banned if the xbox not conneced to the internet anymore and the identification data isn't saved on the HDD (because format doesn't solve it too)
Post by: [email protected] on November 09, 2009, 07:43:00 AM
Post by: benhouli on November 09, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE([email protected] @ Nov 9 2009, 04:43 PM)
The banned data is saved on the NAND not the HDD. When banned the NAND changes the way the console saves data so it will not be recognised on consoles not banned.
and there is no way to change the data on the NAND?
Post by: PenguinComrade on November 09, 2009, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: benhouli on November 09, 2009, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(PenguinComrade @ Nov 9 2009, 05:59 PM)
kind of funny, no one believed me at first but then the ban wave comes along then everyones on the same boat and now starts to believe. o_o
i wasn't on this forum back then
when i saw your post it was too late for me...
still hope someone will fix the HDD issue
Post by: edrojo on November 09, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(H311m4n @ Nov 7 2009, 01:48 PM)
Yipikayay count me in as another banned user
I don't even have gold live, only silver but I guess that was enough to get my good 3 year old xbox banned. If M-BullS think its going to make me buy a new one just because Christmas is almost here they can keep dreaming. Ban me from live if you want, but don't brick my console for it. I do have back-ups, but I also have every game in a legit little green box for f's sakes
, I gave you money MS, although your games are so damn expensive, but still you had to ban me didn't you? Well guess what, Sony will probably get my money next, not you.Like most people, I don't care about being banned from live itself since I don't care about online, but being able to install games on the HDD is just something I must have since this stupid console is so damn loud.
I've had it with MS. Will use my banned xbox for xbox-only games (like FM3 or Halo) for the rest I have my PC so its not so bad I guess, its just annoying really
.I agree, I will buy an PS3
Post by: tysonstorm on November 09, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(H311m4n @ Nov 8 2009, 01:43 PM)
Well the way I see it, the only solutions are:
1. Buy a new xbox and leave it stock to go on live with legit copies and keep your backups for your banned xbox
2. Buy a dead xbox on ebay for 20-40$ and repair it yourself, rrods are essentially caused by overheating, I guess its not that hard to fix (tbh I just bought one yesterday for 30$)
3. Call up MS to ask them what the hell is going on with the HDD, they'll likely tell you that you got pwnd and that there's nothing you or they can do about it. After all we did violate the warranty...but I do wonder if MS had the right to "brick" our consoles the way they did ("brick" in the sense that we can't use our HDDs no more without formatting it. I mean, what's the point of 120Gb if I can't install anything on it...
). As someone said it before, its our hardware, we paid for it and we have the right to do what we want with hit. Hell, if I decide to take a sledgehammer and smash my xbox 360 with it, are they going to ban me from live too? 4. If you didn't break your warranty sticker, I guess you could try to call MS and say you got a rrod and need your console repaired. If they ask for a bill or anything, tell them you bought the console on ebay and you don't have anything. That's what I did with my xbox 2 years ago (I bought it on ebay and it wasn't modded at the time), it died and they still accepted it. It is probable that they'll send you a new system (at least that's the rumor) instead of repairing it.
5. If even possible (and I don't think it is) we can wait for a fix from someone...
6. Finally, you could ditch your xbox and buy a ps3 but I don't know what those consoles are worth...i know online is free which is pretty cool
I'm banned too.
But I'm going with option 4.
Warrenty expires in 2 weeks time. Enough time for RROD methinks.
Post by: razielrj07 on November 09, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
Ok what if i suggest somebody tried this.
Unplug HDD
Clear the cache and format everything is posible from the xbox
This will cause like a "decrease" on the dashboard, having the old classic one
Then downloading the update from xbox.com having then the NXE on a CD or DVD then installing it on the 360
Plug the HDD
See if the install feature works
If it doesnt work...
Again unplug the HDD
Clearing cache
But instead of installing the game from xbox.com, try getting the NXE from a game, not from xbox.com, i think wheelman has it.
Thats it, maybe this will work i got a strong feeling it will work, specially since i been reading old post from this same theme or thread what ever you wanna call it, and from what i understand M$ didnt mean to do the not been able to install games on the HDD, so maybe this will correct the problem
Post by: H311m4n on November 10, 2009, 03:23:00 AM
, but I don't think it'll work because the HDD lockdown is probably done at another level in the 360 itself. Again, if it was just a matter of wiping your HDD their ban would have no point...But I'll let anyone try anything, I'm at work so I can't do it anyway
Post by: timdafweak on November 10, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: razielrj07 on November 10, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: timdafweak on November 10, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: DemisesAngel on November 10, 2009, 06:21:00 PM
The NXE is flashed into the console now and is now the main dashboard. Unplug your HDD, NXE still loads even if you don't have a HDD.
Besides, it has been stated several times in different forum areas that the block is somewhere in the NAND Chip. People have stated that if you have a backup of your NAND and then re-flash it after you're banned you'll get the ability to install back to your HDD.
Do a search, you'll find it.
Post by: neverthesame on November 10, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
QUOTE(DemisesAngel @ Nov 10 2009, 09:21 PM)
The XBox-Scene experts really haven't seen this yet or they'd be having a field day.
The NXE is flashed into the console now and is now the main dashboard. Unplug your HDD, NXE still loads even if you don't have a HDD.
Besides, it has been stated several times in different forum areas that the block is somewhere in the NAND Chip. People have stated that if you have a backup of your NAND and then re-flash it after you're banned you'll get the ability to install back to your HDD.
Do a search, you'll find it.
is this nand backup unique to each xbox? so if i didnt have a backup im f*up?
Post by: tysonstorm on November 11, 2009, 02:20:00 AM
QUOTE(neverthesame @ Nov 11 2009, 06:00 AM)
is this nand backup unique to each xbox? so if i didnt have a backup im f*up?
It's not all doom and gloom. Go buy a cheap Arcade or Pro, format your HDD and whack it on there. Keep the modded one as a "try before I buy" machine. Or at the very least give it to ya kids (if you have any) and let them do what they will with it.
It's not the end of the world.
Just think you get to play your old games again.
Post by: CK0 on November 11, 2009, 06:40:00 AM
if this dashboard update is the cause of the [banned] console not being able to installed games to the hdd, then just don't update the dashboard? i never connect to LIVE on my modded console.
unless games start having dashboard updates included, in order to play them.
OR
if you connect a HDD to a modded system, which the HDD was previous connected to a console that accepted the new dash, i would hope that HDD would not force an update on the modded system, in order to play.
Post by: pahncrd on November 11, 2009, 09:27:00 AM
I actually have an unbanned xbox, but the dvd-rom is completely shot and the box tends to rrod from time to time. Can anyone shoot me the newest guide for using the nand from the unbanned xbox to unban my banned xbox? I have looked around, but honestly I am pretty confused and I am hoping there is a newer guide I might have missed. I have already googled around, but I just wanted to see if anyone here knew of a better method.
Post by: thwack on November 19, 2009, 03:31:00 AM
QUOTE(pahncrd @ Nov 11 2009, 04:27 PM)
I upgraded to the newest dashboard and lost my ability to install games. MS is getting too draconian for my tastes.
I actually have an unbanned xbox, but the dvd-rom is completely shot and the box tends to rrod from time to time. Can anyone shoot me the newest guide for using the nand from the unbanned xbox to unban my banned xbox? I have looked around, but honestly I am pretty confused and I am hoping there is a newer guide I might have missed. I have already googled around, but I just wanted to see if anyone here knew of a better method.
You've got a couple of options.....
1. Wait for the release of a method to alter your NAND (that holds the info to cripple HD functions - ie non trusted data crippling), this apparently will be out on or around the 20th. This involves dumping your NAND (no need for the JTAG wiring etc), altering it in a hex editor then reflashing the altered now pre-ban NAND back to your 360. Still no Live, but you can properly use the 360 offline (going back on Live would equal NAND banning again and you'd have to reflash it). See this thread on how to do the soldering/dumping, and the Free60.org website fo checking/verification. You'll still need to wait for the how-to on hex editing your NAND though.
2. Do an X-clamp replacement on your borking unbanned 360 to stop the RLOD error. Take the DVD drive from your banned 360. Dump the key (so you can restore it at a later date - V. important). Take the malfunctioning DVD drive from your RLOD console, and dump the key fom this. If they're both the same type of drive, insert the key from your malfunctioning DVD drive into your working one, pop it in th now fixed RLOD 360 and you're away
If the drives are different, simply spoof and insert key on your working drive and pop into your fixed 360.
Post by: Zack_sparrow on November 19, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
the console cannot install game
Post by: icarotrevisan on November 20, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: pahncrd on November 21, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
QUOTE(thwack @ Nov 19 2009, 11:31 AM)
You've got a couple of options.....
1. Wait for the release of a method to alter your NAND (that holds the info to cripple HD functions - ie non trusted data crippling), this apparently will be out on or around the 20th. This involves dumping your NAND (no need for the JTAG wiring etc), altering it in a hex editor then reflashing the altered now pre-ban NAND back to your 360. Still no Live, but you can properly use the 360 offline (going back on Live would equal NAND banning again and you'd have to reflash it). See this thread on how to do the soldering/dumping, and the Free60.org website fo checking/verification. You'll still need to wait for the how-to on hex editing your NAND though.
2. Do an X-clamp replacement on your borking unbanned 360 to stop the RLOD error. Take the DVD drive from your banned 360. Dump the key (so you can restore it at a later date - V. important). Take the malfunctioning DVD drive from your RLOD console, and dump the key fom this. If they're both the same type of drive, insert the key from your malfunctioning DVD drive into your working one, pop it in th now fixed RLOD 360 and you're away
If the drives are different, simply spoof and insert key on your working drive and pop into your fixed 360.Thanks man.
Post by: thwack on November 22, 2009, 04:22:00 AM
QUOTE(pahncrd @ Nov 22 2009, 05:55 AM)
Thanks man.
No troubs - I've done a tut on uncrippling you Hard Drive here:
http://forums.xbox-s...p;#entry4573987
Enjoy
Post by: neverthesame on November 23, 2009, 02:26:00 PM
QUOTE(thwack @ Nov 22 2009, 07:22 AM)
No troubs - I've done a tut on uncrippling you Hard Drive here:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...p;#entry4573987
Enjoy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
TYVM! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: thwack on November 23, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Noob friendly tut in my sig
Post by: Syn201 on November 23, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
QUOTE(icarotrevisan @ Nov 20 2009, 11:20 PM)
If M$ did this to ours XBOX360 via internet then why can´t we revert this HDD problem by the same way, RJ45? After all the problem is in the XBOX an not in HDD.
i was thinking of that myself if they can do it over rj45 why cant we other than they make them and they know the tech
in theory i suppose its possible unless it was some code built into the dash update or nand that opened another bit of code that ms wrote in when they first made the xbox
it would need some kind of hefty elaborate contraption to do it i would think
myself i dont much care if games install to hdd or not and can live with the 3 minutes it takes to uncorrupt profile but it is good to see people finding ways around the hdd install crippling or whatever technical name ms gave it ..
Post by: DemisesAngel on November 25, 2009, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: darkside1980 on January 02, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: echoscience on February 18, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
anyways HOW DO I GET MY GAMES WORKING FROM MY HDD AGAIN?