Post by: danthaman673 on January 19, 2011, 05:14:00 AM
Changing game booting seems a good cover for them to drop in new FW checks FWcert.bin anyone>?
What do y'all think???
Post by: JL94x4 on January 19, 2011, 05:16:00 AM
Got kicked off Black Ops for the update.
(Signed up here looking for answers btw)
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Post by: hockeyplyr591 on January 19, 2011, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: hockeyplyr591 on January 19, 2011, 05:35:00 AM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 19 2011, 04:32 AM) 
My son is having the same problem he was just playing black ops got kicked and it updated on him and now no backups are working, they go to a black screen and that's it. All originals are fine and at this moment he is not banned from xbox live.
yup same thing happened to me... checked my secdata and no ban flags popped up for now
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
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Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(hockeyplyr591 @ Jan 19 2011, 01:35 PM)
yup same thing happened to me... checked my secdata and no ban flags popped up for now
I am guessing that MS have just put a new booting check in and we'll just have to await a new firmware.
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 01:36 PM)
new games dont work old backups do ie waw. sniper seems to only be new games i cant play like mw2 and black ops. im on a benq
Halo reach doesnt work either because I tried that as well as black ops and got a black screen for both games and the system takes ages to turn off.
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 05:42:00 AM
Post by: JRT on January 19, 2011, 05:45:00 AM
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 05:47:00 AM
sniper works
waw works
Ufc 2010 Works
Medal of honour Works
mw2 dont
black ops dont.
Strange
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Post by: kasperand on January 19, 2011, 05:49:00 AM
I have tried to clear the system cache but it didn't help and likewise the game won't boot even if you are offline.
I also found out that MW2 isn't working and I have never had any problem with that game either.
ACB, Forza 3, COD 4, COD WAW works just fine..
Have ms found a way to block these games?
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 05:49:00 AM
QUOTE(JRT @ Jan 19 2011, 01:45 PM)
are you running with the latest fw guys ?
Yep, I only just got my son's flashed last weekend with LT+ (it has never been flashed before)
I guess that money has now gone down the drain
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 05:56:00 AM
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 01:47 PM)
needs for speed hot pursuit works.
sniper works
waw works
mw2 dont
black ops dont.
Strange
If NFS is working then is it possible that they have somehow enabled ap2.5 for those games that arent working ???
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 01:47 PM)
needs for speed hot pursuit works.
sniper works
waw works
Ufc 2010 Works
Medal of honour Works
mw2 dont
black ops dont.
Strange
Halo Reach (PAL) doesnt seem to be working either
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 05:57:00 AM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 19 2011, 02:56 PM)
If NFS is working then is it possible that they have somehow enabled ap2.5 for those games that arent working ???
Halo Reach (PAL) doesnt seem to be working either
assassins creed brotherhood is working to! so there is only 2 games that dont work BLACK OPS and MW2!
Post by: hockeyplyr591 on January 19, 2011, 05:59:00 AM
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:01:00 AM
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 01:57 PM)
assassins creed brotherhood is working to! so there is only 2 games that dont work BLACK OPS and MW2!
No I also cant get Halo reach to run on my sons xbox
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 06:01:00 AM
QUOTE(hockeyplyr591 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:59 PM)
call of duty conspiracy?
friend just said he things its some kind of new ap2.5 check
Post by: hockeyplyr591 on January 19, 2011, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 05:01 AM)
friend just said he things its some kind of new ap2.5 check
yea thats what im thinking too... just hope they didnt implement a new ban flagging method
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(djwindas @ Jan 19 2011, 02:01 PM)
friend just said he things its some kind of new ap2.5 check
I agree with this, didnt the other games with ap2.5 also just boot to a black screen before the ap2.5 firmware update???
It's possible that the update has just enacted ap2.5 checks on some current popular titles that previously didnt have it. Maybe the timing is perfect to spike black ops sales due to the pending release of the new map pack.
Post by: wrem123 on January 19, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
Halo Reach .... Won't boot!!!!!!!
Post by: djwindas on January 19, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
QUOTE(hockeyplyr591 @ Jan 19 2011, 03:08 PM)
yea thats what im thinking too... just hope they didnt implement a new ban flagging method
Via la ap 3.0!
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:18:00 AM
QUOTE(hockeyplyr591 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:08 PM)
yea thats what im thinking too... just hope they didnt implement a new ban flagging method
Well it's possible, but I think the whole ap2.5 is a different approach because MS cant detect the LT firmware, surely the ban hammer would have swung by now if it was going to hit.
Post by: shawlynot on January 19, 2011, 06:27:00 AM
Could they have activated ap2.5?
Post by: SpEdE1 on January 19, 2011, 06:28:00 AM
I'm just modding my fw right now for the first time on this console. I hope it's not a decision I later regret. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Post by: kasperand on January 19, 2011, 06:28:00 AM
It's properly not a coincidence that three of the most played online games won't boot..
Post by: dragoscojan on January 19, 2011, 06:31:00 AM
the reason i'm asking this is "If booting an AP25 title without AP25 SS game will not boot but will still be protected from logging AP25 violation on current dash 2.0.12611.0"
maybe on this new dash (2.0.12625) the console would log the freeze,and you would still be flagged even if you have LT+ flashed?
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:32:00 AM
I tried Fifa 2011 and that booted perfectly as does Need For Speed
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 19, 2011, 06:32:00 AM
Post by: hockeyplyr591 on January 19, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
QUOTE(dragoscojan @ Jan 19 2011, 05:31 AM)
can someone who has an LT+ flashed console and got a black screen when booting CoD BO check his secdata value in xval 2.0?
the reason i'm asking this is "If booting an AP25 title without AP25 SS game will not boot but will still be protected from logging AP25 violation on current dash 2.0.12611.0"
maybe on this new dash (2.0.12625) the console would log the freeze,and you would still be flagged even if you have LT+ flashed?
i checked mine already... no flag as of yet
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:32 PM) 
I just read that it is on original copys also. I am updating now and will see what happens on a backup. I don't have my original black ops or mw2 here.
I just tried my original MW2 on my son's 360 and that boots up fine so I dont think it is affecting originals just the backups.
Post by: cyberduck16 on January 19, 2011, 06:57:00 AM
it would appear to be new ap2.5 activations
i am using my 360 which has a sammy ms28 drive with latest firmware
i have updated and black ops is running fine
as we know the sammys cant do the ap2.5 checks
so in my opinion that is what it is
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 19, 2011, 07:05:00 AM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 19 2011, 08:32 AM)
I just read that it is on original copys also. I am updating now and will see what happens on a backup. I don't have my original black ops or mw2 here.
It was black ops I was reading about.
Edit: I'm flagged now o well... Never felt like updating lt which was my fault and xval says ap failed now. I also go unable to boot disc i think was the error. Though I thought the last black ops update was said not to have ap. If that is true where did the ap update come from? I figure the update had it in it to check for black ops. But this leads me to believe with regular copys not working that ap hasn't been put into the title update yet.
Post by: cyberduck16 on January 19, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: macadamadman on January 19, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
QUOTE(cyberduck16 @ Jan 19 2011, 03:57 PM)
hey guys
it would appear to be new ap2.5 activations
i am using my 360 which has a sammy ms28 drive with latest firmware
i have updated and black ops is running fine
as we know the sammys cant do the ap2.5 checks
so in my opinion that is what it is
i also have a sammy ms28 or 25 not too sure!but as u say sammys cant do ap2.5 checks so do you think itd be safe for me to update?
Post by: cyberduck16 on January 19, 2011, 07:43:00 AM
i was playing black ops online with no problems then i went out to the dashboard and when i do this where the logo for black ops should be it just says play game. so i press A and i either get the black screen which locks up the xbox or i get the disk is dirty error. but if i turn the xbox off and back on again it plays fine very strange it only does this when i return to the dashboard. ive tried it online and offline and it does the same thing also noticed if i eject the game once back at the dashboard then close the tray it will boot fine.
dont know if this is just me but i thought any info at this stage would help
Post by: misteromar on January 19, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
Maybe if they online ban you, they stop games playing as well, they have got more aggressive disabled HD installs, corrupting save/profiles, media player disabled etc
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 07:53:00 AM
QUOTE(misteromar @ Jan 19 2011, 03:51 PM)
What firmware are you using for the drive?
Maybe if they online ban you, they stop games playing as well, they have got more aggressive disabled HD installs, corrupting save/profiles, media player disabled etc
My son's is LT+ so I am hoping that if it is 2.5 activations that the three minute no reporting functionality is still working.
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 19, 2011, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(misteromar @ Jan 19 2011, 09:51 AM)
What firmware are you using for the drive?
Maybe if they online ban you, they stop games playing as well, they have got more aggressive disabled HD installs, corrupting save/profiles, media player disabled etc
Lt I never upgrade to lt+. I probably should have but not really a big problem. I also know it was black ops as I have never played a ap game due to the check. Hence the reason I never updated.
Post by: canisay on January 19, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on January 19, 2011, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: canisay on January 19, 2011, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 19 2011, 08:16 AM)
I am thinking these issues may be able to be resolved with an ap2.5 patch for the games that are not booting without the need for a firmware update.
I think you may be right. Since it appears that they have now been activated with Ap2.5, that would mean that the backup needs to be patched just like any other AP2.5 game, correct?
Post by: Ranger72 on January 19, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
QUOTE(canisay @ Jan 19 2011, 11:19 AM)
I think you may be right. Since it appears that they have now been activated with Ap2.5, that would mean that the backup needs to be patched just like any other AP2.5 game, correct?
That is what I am hopping anyway.
Post by: canisay on January 19, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 19 2011, 08:22 AM)
That is what I am hopping anyway.
It makes sense. Any idea how the patches are created?
Post by: Ranger72 on January 19, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(canisay @ Jan 19 2011, 11:24 AM)
It makes sense. Any idea how the patches are created?
Same as the other already known AP 2.5 games. ABGX.
Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: DevilDave on January 19, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
This issue would at best just need new backups with AP2.5 in place and not a new firmware upgrade.
This would explain why people with LT+ are reporting clean xvals and this one guy with LT is reporing to be flagged.
Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on January 19, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
QUOTE(barryflood22 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:38 AM)
abgx seems to have patched the image without issue, burning the isk now using imgburn - 37 minutes left then will let you know if the patch solves the issues
It wont work. There would be no AP 2.5 patch in the ABGX database for that game yet.
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Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
Post by: HyperUK on January 19, 2011, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 19 2011, 04:40 PM)
It wont work. There would be no AP 2.5 patch in the ABGX database for that game yet.
This seems like the most logical reason but then how would they differ an original from a backup if they have just patched through an xbox live update?
I can confirm after the update an original copy of Black Ops is still working (ssv2) but my backup isnt.
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Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 19, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: b82rez2g4 on January 19, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
**edit - in theory if that was the case and you disconnect the hard drive and try to boot it should but it didnt**
This post has been edited by barryflood22: Jan 19 2011, 05:52 PM
Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: barryflood22 on January 19, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: aqswde123 on January 19, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: bizzysgs on January 19, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: HyperUK on January 19, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
Updated my xbox today and im going back to Call of Duty 4 until things are more clear.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 19, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
QUOTE(b82rez2g4 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:49 AM)
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Or just go to top of thread OPTIONS > TRACK THIS TOPIC
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on January 19, 2011, 11:21:00 AM
Do not link to sites which are against the rules.
There's going to be a flood of new registrations over this issue so rules are going to be enforced heavily throughout this thread.
Post by: mammolo74 on January 19, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
Halo reach
Cod BO
Cod MW 2
-______-
i hope c4eva will bring us new Ap2.5 patch for this game s:)
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(bizzysgs @ Jan 19 2011, 07:28 PM)
I don't think ap2.5 checks are the problem.. modern warfare 2 doesen't work either and i can't think of any way they could have implemented ap check's in modern warfare 2.I hope we find out wat is going on soon ...
They have had AP2.5 implemented into games since Fifa 09 but unactivated. MW2 and any other titles released since Fifa 09 are all vulnerable to M$ activating AP2.5 within them. The reason the original MW2/Black ops disc is working is because they have AP2.5 already on the disc which was placed there ready for when M$ ever decided to activate them.
As someone else mentioned, these games are ones which will get alot of online play. I dont think they will enable AP2.5 on most of the previous releases as people will have already played through them and demand for them wont be so high anymore. They seem to be just targeting titles people would be at this time dissapointed to lose access to.
I really dont see what M$ has to gain from this as they are well aware that a simple re-rip and patch through ABGX will re-enable play of these titles again as happened with NFS:HP, Fable III and AC:BH
I would just sit back and relax and patches for these titles will be on ABGX within a few days. Reburning three titles is a small price to pay. I would certainly be more cautious of anymore updates though, you never know.
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 11:30:00 AM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 19 2011, 12:24 PM)
They have had AP2.5 implemented into games since Fifa 09 but unactivated. MW2 and any other titles released since Fifa 09 are all vulnerable to M$ activating AP2.5 within them. The reason the original MW2/Black ops disc is working is because they have AP2.5 already on the disc which was placed there ready for when M$ ever decided to activate them.
As someone else mentioned, these games are ones which will get alot of online play. I dont think they will enable AP2.5 on most of the previous releases as people will have already played through them and demand for them wont be so high anymore. They seem to be just targeting titles people would be at this time dissapointed to lose access to.
I really dont see what M$ has to gain from this as they are well aware that a simple re-rip and patch through ABGX will re-enable play of these titles again as happened with NFS:HP, Fable III and AC:BH
I would just sit back and relax and patches for these titles will be on ABGX within a few days. Reburning three titles is a small price to pay. I would certainly be more cautious of anymore updates though, you never know.
Man fifa 09 came out on 10/03/08 in the U.S.
Post by: Syn201 on January 19, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(mammolo74 @ Jan 19 2011, 08:22 PM)
No Working games:
Halo reach
Cod BO
Cod MW 2
-______-
i hope c4eva will bring us new Ap2.5 patch for this game s:)
Someone will im sure I dont now why mw2 is not playing the other two I would sumise due to not having a ap2.5 patch
acb boots that has a patch ns boots that has a patch so my guess would be they just need patching with ap2.5
I gather fable 3 would also work as it has a patch..
Post by: evern on January 19, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
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Post by: evil-dereck on January 19, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
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Post by: ticklz on January 19, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
just tried errrr
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Post by: 69218 on January 19, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Jan 19 2011, 07:30 PM)
Man fifa 09 came out on 10/03/08 in the U.S.
http://xorloser.com/blog/?p=9
Post by: Takashi on January 19, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(ticklz @ Jan 19 2011, 01:49 PM)
Hey all just wanted to confirm that running through ABGX and reburning wont solve the issue on a BenQ drive
just tried errrr
well ofc that wouldn't work if you did it the first time
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(69218 @ Jan 19 2011, 12:50 PM)
I know I was just saying that because a lot of games since then.
Post by: Maximize on January 19, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(ticklz @ Jan 19 2011, 01:49 PM)
Hey all just wanted to confirm that running Black Ops through ABGX and reburning wont solve the issue on a BenQ drive
just tried errrr
you would have to wait for abgx to have a patch for ap2.5 (if this is possible) doing it now hours after implementation is pointless
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(evern @ Jan 19 2011, 08:34 PM)
How the fuck does that make sense? Why would you be required to patch a DVD R? It's obviously stored on the console, no way in hell does that make sense. That would mean that every guy who owns the original copy needs to take it back to be patched? This will be fixed with a firmware update, i dont' see how anyone could patch a DVD R.
AP2.5 is stored on the retail disc when it is released. It has lay there on the disc untill now and not been searched for. Within the latest dash update are now checks looking for AP2.5 on these discs which as i said was already there. On a retail disc it finds it and boots. People with backup copies will of course not have AP2.5 on the disc so when it searches for it and doesnt find it it wont boot. This is why people will need to patch & reburn their discs.
QUOTE(evil-dereck @ Jan 19 2011, 08:45 PM)
mayhaps this is the new alternative the mass ban waves.... Make you need new custom firmware every few weeks, keeps C4E busy and makes a chunk of the scene drop out from the annoyance of having to update their box for the nth time.
We wont need to update again, LT+ is just fine at the moment and doing as it should, all we require is AP2.5 patches for the titles affected and were good to go again.
QUOTE(ticklz @ Jan 19 2011, 08:49 PM)
Hey all just wanted to confirm that running Black Ops through ABGX and reburning wont solve the issue on a BenQ drive
just tried errrr
Running any of the three titles through ABGX at the moment wont fix them as the AP2.5 data required is not in the database yet. Be patient and it will be available soon enough.
Post by: evil-dereck on January 19, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(evil-dereck @ Jan 19 2011, 09:02 PM)
Seems to me like every title affected has a stronger online component then offline. Just sayin.
I quite agree with you, i dont think they will bother with other titles as people will have already played through and be finished with them. Games which people continue to play online though is something they probably feel will have more of an impact.
It's totally pointless though as we wont need to flash a new FW, all they are doing is causing a slight inconvenience to people by forcing them to wait for a patch (which wont take long) & reburn three titles if they wish to continue playing them.
Post by: SirStoner on January 19, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 19 2011, 08:00 PM)
AP2.5 is stored on the retail disc when it is released. It has lay there on the disc untill now and not been searched for. Within the latest dash update are now checks looking for AP2.5 on these discs which as i said was already there. On a retail disc it finds it and boots. People with backup copies will of course not have AP2.5 on the disc so when it searches for it and doesnt find it it wont boot. This is why people will need to patch & reburn their discs.
We wont need to update again, LT+ is just fine at the moment and doing as it should, all we require is AP2.5 patches for the titles affected and were good to go again.
Running any of the three titles through ABGX at the moment wont fix them as the AP2.5 data required is not in the database yet. Be patient and it will be available soon enough.
U can't tell can u. You can't be sure if the current F/W implementation is good, simply cuz u cant be sure if its the disk only that changes this time.
Everything everyone says, specially someone with 8 posts, is speculation untill C4E or any of the other guru's actually talk about this.
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(SirStoner @ Jan 19 2011, 01:12 PM)
U can't tell can u. You can't be sure if the current F/W implementation is good, simply cuz u cant be sure if its the disk only that changes this time.
Everything everyone says, specially someone with 8 posts, is speculation untill C4E or any of the other guru's actually talk about this.
This coming from someone with one post. Man shut up. 
Post by: Resonate on January 19, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Jan 19 2011, 09:17 PM)
This coming from someone with one post. Man shut up. He does have a valid point though.....
You can berate me now for only having 25
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 19, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
Post by: devilstrider on January 19, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Resonate @ Jan 19 2011, 01:23 PM)
He does have a valid point though.....
You can berate me now for only having 25 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post count does not mean you don't know what you are talking about. Its like a person staying silent among people for years and then he speaks a lot of true knowledge. So far it points to AP2.5 because my original Black Ops works with LT+ on my light on. But the backup does not.
Post by: Aldanga on January 19, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 19 2011, 12:00 PM)
AP2.5 is stored on the retail disc when it is released. It has lay there on the disc untill now and not been searched for. Within the latest dash update are now checks looking for AP2.5 on these discs which as i said was already there. On a retail disc it finds it and boots. People with backup copies will of course not have AP2.5 on the disc so when it searches for it and doesnt find it it wont boot. This is why people will need to patch & reburn their discs.
This is sort of correct. AP2.5 isn't stored on any disc, per se. What are on the discs are angles, given that retail discs are laser etched, and then values are calculated from these angles with a given algorithm. If the values satisfy the requirements, AP2.5 is passed. If they do not satisfy, AP2.5 checks fail. DVD-RL DLs are not laser etched, but rather dye that is modified by DVD burners. These do not have the same angles, and thus do not return the correct values. When the disc has the required values stored in an AP2.5 patch, the modified firmware takes these values and returns them to the system to satisfy the responses. When the responses are unknown (e.g., the patch isn't present or is incorrect), the checks fail and the game refuses to boot.
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(SirStoner @ Jan 19 2011, 09:12 PM)
U can't tell can u. You can't be sure if the current F/W implementation is good, simply cuz u cant be sure if its the disk only that changes this time.
Everything everyone says, specially someone with 8 posts, is speculation untill C4E or any of the other guru's actually talk about this.
Just because someone has 1000+ posts does not make them anymore an expert than someone with a low post count. In theory you are saying if C4E signed up here today and made on post he dont know shit.
I never once said that anything i said was fact, or that i actually knew a hell of a lot about it, i was simply trying to explain in the easiest way possible what i thought was happening and was just pointing out what has been discovered in the past and making what i would consider to be a well educated guess.
Considering some Samsung users, which we know are incapable of implementing AP2.5 checks are saying the afftected titles work for them would suggest a high probability that this is the case.
The latest update is similar to how Fable III was activated through a dash update.
So i base my opinons on what is going on, on facts that have came to light in the past and would bet my life that this is what is happening now.
EDIT: Thank's for taking time to correct me Aldanga, appreciated.
This post has been edited by astr4twin: Jan 19 2011, 08:42 PM
Post by: EpsilonMirror on January 19, 2011, 12:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Jan 19 2011, 08:27 PM)
This is sort of correct. AP2.5 isn't stored on any disc, per se. What are on the discs are angles, given that retail discs are laser etched, and then values are calculated from these angles with a given algorithm. If the values satisfy the requirements, AP2.5 is passed. If they do not satisfy, AP2.5 checks fail. DVD-RL DLs are not laser etched, but rather dye that is modified by DVD burners. These do not have the same angles, and thus do not return the correct values. When the disc has the required values stored in an AP2.5 patch, the modified firmware takes these values and returns them to the system to satisfy the responses. When the responses are unknown (e.g., the patch isn't present or is incorrect), the checks fail and the game refuses to boot.
Is that why a badly scratched pressed disc can fail AP25? Like the scratches causing too many angles to be read incorrectly and the check fails.
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: Big Rock Show on January 19, 2011, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(hockeyplyr591 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:35 PM)
i checked mine already... no flag as of yet
I got all 0's and msg stating SEC data is clean. This is after getting the update this morning and then trying to play my BO and MW2 back-ups. Retail versions booted fine.
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 19 2011, 09:44 PM)
OK after checking numerous sources the issue is AP 2.5 related and there is a possibility that more titles will be added to the AP 2.5 list in tomarrows update along with the possibility of the ban hammer dropping. It is recommended by Team Xecuter that all modded 360 remain off line and not proceed with the update tomarrow. I know every 1 is panicking over this but I am sure that as we type C4Eva is working on this. We probably wont hear anything for a few hours but this gives us all time to finish up those offline games. If you know how check your xval to see if youve been flagged. For those with LT+ remember the 3 minute protection. All we can do is wait.
Does not sound good does it. One could only imagine they would be releasing another update so soon to add AP2.5 checks to more titles.
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
http://forums.xbox.com/35567876/ShowPost.aspx
This post has been edited by cjsmokalot: Jan 19 2011, 08:56 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on January 19, 2011, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 19 2011, 02:44 PM)
OK after checking numerous sources the issue is AP 2.5 related and there is a possibility that more titles will be added to the AP 2.5 list in tomarrows update along with the possibility of the ban hammer dropping. It is recommended by Team Xecuter that all modded 360 remain off line and not proceed with the update tomarrow. I know every 1 is panicking over this but I am sure that as we type C4Eva is working on this. We probably wont hear anything for a few hours but this gives us all time to finish up those offline games. If you know how check your xval to see if youve been flagged. For those with LT+ remember the 3 minute protection. All we can do is wait.
The update is out now not tomorrow.
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
Xbox claims it will be a small update for updating our gamer cards but with all the curve balls microsoft is throwing it gives us reason to be cautious!!
FOUND THIS ON ELECTRONISTA.COM
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/01...pdate.released/
Xbox 360 update turns on Boot to Disc, squashes pirates
updated 12:40 pm EST, Wed January 19, 2011
Mandatory Xbox anti-piracy 2.5 update released
Microsoft released its latest Dashboard update for the Xbox 360 on Wednesday. It re-enables the Boot-to-Disc option once disabled to discourage piracy but also blocks those flashed with hacked firmware to load bootleg games. Officially known as the anti-piracy 2.5 update, it's reportedly effective as a large number of modders on forums have said they can't load their burned games after the install.
The update is mandatory to play on Xbox Live.
At the same time, MicrosoftÂ’s Major Nelson confirmed the company will make subtle changes to Xbox Live gamer cards on January 20. The look will be different, while a user's gamer zone has been removed. [via WinRumors]
This post has been edited by cjsmokalot: Jan 19 2011, 09:10 PM
Post by: astr4twin on January 19, 2011, 01:09:00 PM
On Wednesday, January 19th we will issue a mandatory dashboard update that (re) enables the ‘Boot to Disc’ option in the Xbox 360 dashboard. After you accept the update, you’ll be able to set the option to boot to the Xbox 360 dashboard OR directly to the game you have in the tray when you power up your console. This option can be found in the System Settings
Xbox.com update:
Additionally, on Thursday January 20th the Xbox.com team will ship an update that contains a small update to the Gamercards. We’ve updated the Gamercard look and feel a bit and removed gamerzone from the card. Other than that, the same amount of information is on the card.
Noticed how they worded tomorrows update as an update that contains a small update to Gamercards. Maybe im just being paranoid but an update that contains a small update suggests theres something else.
Hopefully we dont get anymore titles activated.
This post has been edited by astr4twin: Jan 19 2011, 09:10 PM
Post by: canisay on January 19, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 19 2011, 12:09 PM)
Xbox LIVE Dashboard update:
On Wednesday, January 19th we will issue a mandatory dashboard update that (re) enables the ‘Boot to Disc’ option in the Xbox 360 dashboard. After you accept the update, you’ll be able to set the option to boot to the Xbox 360 dashboard OR directly to the game you have in the tray when you power up your console. This option can be found in the System Settings
Xbox.com update:
Additionally, on Thursday January 20th the Xbox.com team will ship an update that contains a small update to the Gamercards. WeÂ’ve updated the Gamercard look and feel a bit and removed gamerzone from the card. Other than that, the same amount of information is on the card.
Noticed how they worded tomorrows update as an update that contains a small update to Gamercards. Maybe im just being paranoid but an update that contains a small update suggests theres something else.
Hopefully we dont get anymore titles activated.
It sounds like that is just an update to xbox.com to change the way gamercards are displayed on the site
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Bloodsack on January 19, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 19 2011, 08:22 PM)
HOPEFULLY but don't put anything past MICROSOFT!!! Remember they are trying to win the battle
And knowing is half the battle G...I.Joe!!!
Post by: Goddhand on January 19, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 19 2011, 03:00 PM)
FOUND THIS ON ELECTRONISTA.COM
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/01...pdate.released/
Xbox 360 update turns on Boot to Disc, squashes pirates
updated 12:40 pm EST, Wed January 19, 2011
Mandatory Xbox anti-piracy 2.5 update released
Microsoft released its latest Dashboard update for the Xbox 360 on Wednesday. It re-enables the Boot-to-Disc option once disabled to discourage piracy but also blocks those flashed with hacked firmware to load bootleg games. Officially known as the anti-piracy 2.5 update, it's reportedly effective as a large number of modders on forums have said they can't load their burned games after the install.
Gotta love the hype journalism here. AP 2.5 has been enabled for months, and MS hasn't "squashed" anyone. They stopped us from playing two games for like a week until the new patch comes out. This is about as much of a victory as interrupting someone's perfect when they roll you in street fighter.
Post by: darksideby182 on January 19, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: JOLLY 420 GREEN on January 19, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(darksideby182 @ Jan 19 2011, 09:35 PM)
Hope this helps I'm on a hitachi 59 drive with lt+ I can get on to black ops fine but have noticed that when I go from game to dashboard back into game it black screens for about 3-4 secs it seems longer than when I first load the xbox up I'm probably thinking its still working because the older hitachi's don have ap2.5.
My error message says my disc in unreadable. Very similar to the update that came out which blocked use of AC:BH and Fable 3. not sure if i'm running LT or LT+
Post by: the_wind on January 19, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(JOLLY 420 GREEN @ Jan 19 2011, 03:53 PM)
not sure if i'm running LT or LT+
I could not resist to make my very first post to say that if you're not sure that you're running LT+, then you're not running LT+. It came out less than 2 months ago and you would remember taking your xbox apart or making someone upgrade it for you since then.
Post by: cliveceratops on January 19, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
i have a legit copy of halo and want to play... obviously i wont play anything else until more is known about the update but should i be safe playing just halo?
Post by: majinsoftware on January 19, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
COD MW2,BO and Halo Reach causes black screen then disk unreadable error. Second attempt to boot causes lower right red light to flash and the xbox to turn off.
Im sure ill get another 50 or more txt messages today from people that got there xboxs modded and went on live even tho I said not to lol.
Post by: hxcmusic on January 19, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
I can confirm that a retail black ops disc loads fine after the update. I'm not putting another backup in that xbox until C4E says its OK.
I just hope that happens before Dead Space 2.
Post by: BlackWar on January 19, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
The first one (today's) installed the core component(s) needed to enable the AP2.5 on games and included the 3 games as a test, to see if it would actually work and how much of xbl it would affect. After todays release and monitoring the response from several sites (like this one), they can easily conclude that it was a success and tomorrow's "gamecard" update will contain a few more games to the list.
Think about it, the gamecard has no real use (except to measure epeen) and has been left alone for how long? why change it now?
Post by: BoNg420 on January 19, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(hxcmusic @ Jan 19 2011, 04:24 PM)
This should have been front page hours ago, I checked x-s before doing the update, and only did it because I couldn't fine anything telling me not to...
I can confirm that a retail black ops disc loads fine after the update. I'm not putting another backup in that xbox until C4E says its OK.
I just hope that happens before Dead Space 2.
Just remember, the Admins live in different countries. When you sleep they awake and when you awake they sleep(most likely) so its not like they are here to post every breaking story. Before you ever do a dashboard update, google first.
QUOTE(BlackWar @ Jan 19 2011, 04:32 PM)
Actually, this "back-to-back" updates make perfect sense.
The first one (today's) installed the core component(s) needed to enable the AP2.5 on games and included the 3 games as a test, to see if it would actually work and how much of xbl it would affect. After todays release and monitoring the response from several sites (like this one), they can easily conclude that it was a success and tomorrow's "gamecard" update will contain a few more games to the list.
Think about it, the gamecard has no real use (except to measure epeen) and has been left alone for how long? why change it now?
The gamercard update, according to Major Nelson is ONLY A XBOX.COM update, not another dashboard update.
box LIVE Dashboard update:
On Wednesday, January 19th we will issue a mandatory dashboard update that (re) enables the ‘Boot to Disc’ option in the Xbox 360 dashboard. After you accept the update, you’ll be able to set the option to boot to the Xbox 360 dashboard OR directly to the game you have in the tray when you power up your console. This option can be found in the System Settings.
Xbox.com update:
Additionally, on Thursday January 20th the Xbox.com team will ship an update that contains a small update to the Gamercards. We’ve updated the Gamercard look and feel a bit and removed gamerzone from the card. Other than that, the same amount of information is on the card. Here is an example:
Post by: lordvader129 on January 19, 2011, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: BlackWar on January 19, 2011, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: DracoGT on January 19, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
Infallible Rule: stay off live, do not accept the update, wait and be patient
Guru's will work this out, sooner than later. Maybe we will need to re-burn our stock, no big deal... If you REALLY CANNOT WAIT.. well get yourself a nice original copy and send some chopper gunners!!!
Ill wait finishing AC:BH left it around 70%... Im a damn COD Junkie hahaha
Peace!
Post by: dangal on January 19, 2011, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Bloodsack on January 19, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
QUOTE(DracoGT @ Jan 19 2011, 09:54 PM)
hey guys just wanted to throw in my advice and follow the...
Infallible Rule: stay off live, do not accept the update, wait and be patient
Guru's will work this out, sooner than later. Maybe we will need to re-burn our stock, no big deal... If you REALLY CANNOT WAIT.. well get yourself a nice original copy and send some chopper gunners!!!
Ill wait finishing AC:BH left it around 70%... Im a damn COD Junkie hahaha
Peace!
well to play on XBL you'll have to update.. I updated..c4eva will will break it.
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on January 19, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
Problem solved.
Post by: loggio on January 19, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: stancartmanson on January 19, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(stancartmanson @ Jan 19 2011, 11:10 PM)
Did c4eva say he didn't find any ap2.5 on black ops back when it started with NFS HP etc?
No he said there were no ap2.5 checks on black ops, which there wasnt until 12 hours ago. However, there has been ap2.5 present on discs going back to Fifa 2009. Seems to be that MS can only activate the ap checks on titles through firmware updates.
Post by: Maximize on January 19, 2011, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: rwcottrell on January 19, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
QUOTE(darksideby182 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:35 PM)
Hope this helps I'm on a hitachi 59 drive with lt+ I can get on to black ops fine but have noticed that when I go from game to dashboard back into game it black screens for about 3-4 secs it seems longer than when I first load the xbox up I'm probably thinking its still working because the older hitachi's don have ap2.5.
no my hitachi has done this for years and i havnt updated to the new dash from today,
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 19, 2011, 03:38:00 PM
In a perfect world, there would be no need for firmware hacking because any person would be able to create an exact copy of a game with nothing more than their simple dual-layer dvd burner. However this is not the case, because when Xbox360 games are created by Microsoft they aren’t “burned” so much as they are “pressed.” Wikipedia can supply you with ample information on this.
Microsoft uses this to their advantage, creating artifacts in the discs that we cannot replicate with burners at home. Then looking for these artifacts when the disc is put into an xbox dvd-drive. This is where firmware hacking and SSv1, 2, and 3 come into play. To get around these anti-piracy (AP) artifacts (and there are various, the latest being anti-piracy 2.5 or AP25), the crafty modders and hackers came up with SSv, which is a security patch that emulates the AP artifacts. SSv 1 and 2 were used to get around the various flavors of AP up until and including AP 2.0. SSv 3 for AP25.
These security patches are ignored by standard xbox firmware (obviously), so modded firmwares is required to recognize them. This modded firmware reports to the motherboard (and thus the Xbox-Dash OS) that the disc has all the necessary AP artifacts. IÂ’m oversimplifying but IÂ’m assuming you have no background with firmware programming or modification.
What microsoft has done is activated ‘hidden’ checks for AP25 in some recently released games, which up until now had no checks. These games ALREADY HAD AP25 ON THEM, AP25 is a physical property of the disc, it was not, and cannot, be created by the update. The reason for this is MS wanted to ‘ambush’ the modders who played without SSv3 patches on these games (which of course nobody does, since they weren’t necessary and were never ripped/developed). This does not mean MS can suddenly create AP25 on older discs, those will always be safe. Also, older drives (read: Hitachi’s and Sammy’s) are incapable of searching for AP25 and will always be safe from this sort of update.[/b]
Post by: jc265 on January 19, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
I never updated from LT to LT+ because my probe broke. So I'm flagged now, aren't I?
Post by: ChazWhite on January 19, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(jc265 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:43 PM)
As everyone else here, I can't play Reach, get the unreadable error.
I never updated from LT to LT+ because my probe broke. So I'm flagged now, aren't I?
Once you get your Key string, You NEVER have to use the probe again on that Drive. Just use the key on the newest LT+ and Reflash. That's It.
Post by: jc265 on January 19, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(ChazWhite @ Jan 19 2011, 11:46 PM)
Once you get your Key string, You NEVER have to use the probe again on that Drive. Just use the key on the newest LT+ and Reflash. That's It.
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Yeah...the usb flash drive i kept all that stuff on...corrupt.
Post by: ChazWhite on January 19, 2011, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(jc265 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:50 PM)
Yeah...the usb flash drive i kept all that stuff on...corrupt.
Oh, Yeah you need the probe..
Always put your key in MULTIPLE Backup places..
Post by: ddsdavey on January 19, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
QUOTE(the_wind @ Jan 19 2011, 09:12 PM)
I could not resist to make my very first post to say that if you're not sure that you're running LT+, then you're not running LT+. It came out less than 2 months ago and you would remember taking your xbox apart or making someone upgrade it for you since then.
Not if you were one of MILLIONS purchasing a console second hand for Xmas,smart arse!
QUOTE(ChazWhite @ Jan 19 2011, 10:52 PM)
Oh, Yeah you need the probe..
Always put your key in MULTIPLE Backup places..
If he flashed the drive on JF then all you need do is link your drive up and click "keydb",itll remember your drives specifics and your sorted,also if you only had Ixtreme on there then theres also a JF option to grab the key from Ixtreme.
Oh yeah and if the last flash on there is LT then even the probe wont do diddly squat,youll be left needing to do the MRA tango! (i think???).
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(jc265 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:43 PM)
As everyone else here, I can't play Reach, get the unreadable error.
I never updated from LT to LT+ because my probe broke. So I'm flagged now, aren't I?
Yes you are flagged, but MS havent banned anyone who is flagged yet. Apparently scratched originals can also potentially fail ap 2.5 checks so if that is the case maybe MS may not ban those with ap2.5 flags.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 19, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(ChazWhite @ Jan 19 2011, 05:52 PM)
Oh, Yeah you need the probe..
Always put your key in MULTIPLE Backup places..
What's he gonna do with the probe? He already has LT so key can't not be read by probe anymore. He needs MRA hack now.
Post by: sittingduck77 on January 19, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(ChazWhite @ Jan 19 2011, 11:52 PM) 
Oh, Yeah you need the probe..
Always put your key in MULTIPLE Backup places..
Lol, best post of the day - cracked me up when thinking that was exactly the two things I did over the weekend when I was out on the town...
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 19 2011, 11:38 PM)
DID SOME SEARCHING AROUND THE INTERNET AND THAUGHT I WOULD GIVE EVERY ONE THE INFORMATION I FOUND OUT SO THEY CAN TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS HAPPENED
In a perfect world, there would be no need for firmware hacking because any person would be able to create an exact copy of a game with nothing more than their simple dual-layer dvd burner. However this is not the case, because when Xbox360 games are created by Microsoft they aren’t “burned” so much as they are “pressed.” Wikipedia can supply you with ample information on this.
Microsoft uses this to their advantage, creating artifacts in the discs that we cannot replicate with burners at home. Then looking for these artifacts when the disc is put into an xbox dvd-drive. This is where firmware hacking and SSv1, 2, and 3 come into play. To get around these anti-piracy (AP) artifacts (and there are various, the latest being anti-piracy 2.5 or AP25), the crafty modders and hackers came up with SSv, which is a security patch that emulates the AP artifacts. SSv 1 and 2 were used to get around the various flavors of AP up until and including AP 2.0. SSv 3 for AP25.
These security patches are ignored by standard xbox firmware (obviously), so modded firmwares is required to recognize them. This modded firmware reports to the motherboard (and thus the Xbox-Dash OS) that the disc has all the necessary AP artifacts. IÂ’m oversimplifying but IÂ’m assuming you have no background with firmware programming or modification.
What microsoft has done is activated ‘hidden’ checks for AP25 in some recently released games, which up until now had no checks. These games ALREADY HAD AP25 ON THEM, AP25 is a physical property of the disc, it was not, and cannot, be created by the update. The reason for this is MS wanted to ‘ambush’ the modders who played without SSv3 patches on these games (which of course nobody does, since they weren’t necessary and were never ripped/developed). This does not mean MS can suddenly create AP25 on older discs, those will always be safe. Also, older drives (read: Hitachi’s and Sammy’s) are incapable of searching for AP25 and will always be safe from this sort of update.[/b]
I tend to think that AP2.5 is less about identifying xboxes to ban and more about detering the non scene people (which would be a huge percentage of people) who have their consoles modded and if they are constantly having to update firmwares or obtain individual new versions of games in order to get them to work they will eventually just go back to buying originals.
I think we will continue to see these retroactive ap2.5 updates for new games in the hope that having to individually patch or obtain new versions of games will make the modding scene too much of a hassle for non-scene people.
This post has been edited by toddgei: Jan 20 2011, 12:47 AM
Post by: lamebmx on January 19, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: dsavage on January 19, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
not suprised one bit by this update, u honestly think they wern't gonna have a ban wave sooner or later ?
yeah right, it should be coming pretty soon now....
anyone who plays backups online has nothing to bitch about being flagged/banned.
nuff said.
hell, might aswell to go the ps3 now, well for cod, doesn't seem like sony is banning anyone....yet anyway.
Post by: Jbasto on January 19, 2011, 05:18:00 PM
QUOTE(ChazWhite @ Jan 19 2011, 05:52 PM)
Oh, Yeah you need the probe..
Always put your key in MULTIPLE Backup places..
Or email it to yourself !!!
[2011-01-19 08:25PM UTC] #fw <c4eva> hello, looking into new dash,more soon.
Looks like he is on the move
Post by: evildereck on January 19, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: evildereck on January 19, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Jbasto @ Jan 19 2011, 06:18 PM)
Or email it to yourself !!!
Use the Cloud, like those annoying commercials say
This post has been edited by evildereck: Jan 20 2011, 01:29 AM
Post by: moobypets on January 19, 2011, 05:39:00 PM
and then
today it get a cannot read disk with original lt firmare
just hope he did not get himself banned
as for me ill await some patch and play original lol
Post by: dmasjz45 on January 19, 2011, 05:48:00 PM
I'm on regular LT (never gave a shit to update sadly), only play MW2, applied update, disc unreadable error, XVAL 2.0 states "Failed AP25 Challenge" immediately after
Looks like I'll be banned soon
Post by: touran22 on January 19, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
QUOTE(dmasjz45 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:48 AM)
I can confirm this is for AP2.5 checks
I'm on regular LT (never gave a shit to update sadly), only play MW2, applied update, disc unreadable error, XVAL 2.0 states "Failed AP25 Challenge" immediately after
Looks like I'll be banned soon
updated to the new dash today...i have LT+ with the ap2.5 but then c4eva released another one 2 weeks after and i wasn't bothered...but todays update stopped me from booting games...except old games like gears 1/fifa 11/prototype
new games won't load?
is there a fix?
Post by: Syn201 on January 19, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(syntaxerror329 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:08 AM)
What's he gonna do with the probe? He already has LT so key can't not be read by probe anymore. He needs MRA hack now.
Unless he can get the key from date base off jf ..
Post by: infamousxx on January 19, 2011, 06:20:00 PM
QUOTE(touran22 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:56 AM)
updated to the new dash today...i have LT+ with the ap2.5 but then c4eva released another one 2 weeks after and i wasn't bothered...but todays update stopped me from booting games...except old games like gears 1/fifa 11/prototype
new games won't load?
is there a fix?
u should read all 9 pages your answer is there
Post by: Reaper527 on January 19, 2011, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:16 AM)
I am thinking these issues may be able to be resolved with an ap2.5 patch for the games that are not booting without the need for a firmware update.
some site claiming ties to xecuter seems to think that this is the end of firmware hacking period. personally, i think they are over reacting and jumping to conclusions, but we'll see
http://www.console-spot.com/2011/01/19/do-...your-xbox-live/
i fail to see the difference between what is going on here, and fable 3
personally, i have heard "this is the end of dvd firmware hacking" too many times over the years to really take it seriously when someone says it, especially someone from some site i've never heard of. maybe i'm being to harsh on them, but i guess we'll find out when we hear from c4e about his findings.
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Jan 20 2011, 02:28 AM
Post by: satansgutter on January 19, 2011, 06:24:00 PM
If you are on LT+ v1.1 and have booted Black Ops or Halo Reach, do you get the XVal code change? Does it come back saying Failed AP2.5 error??
Basically asking does LT+ v1.1 protect us at the moment?
Post by: Syn201 on January 19, 2011, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(touran22 @ Jan 20 2011, 02:56 AM)
updated to the new dash today...i have LT+ with the ap2.5 but then c4eva released another one 2 weeks after and i wasn't bothered...but today's update stopped me from booting games...except old games like gears 1/fifa 11/prototype
new games won't load?
is there a fix?
I dont get what you people are on about with your so called backups play the original until the patches arrive if its a pirate copy what businesses do you or anyone have asking for fixes and help HERE
but today's update stopped me from booting games? err no it has not I have tried my retail black ops works fine on all 4 of my 360s including the none flashed one now illegally downloaded and burned games that's a different matter if I can not discuss piracy here then neither should anyone else and posts like this confirm that you do not own the game or you would just play your original ..
Post by: shyzza313 on January 19, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on January 19, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:23 PM)
personally, i have heard "this is the end of dvd firmware hacking" too many times over the years to really take it seriously when someone says it, especially someone from some site i've never heard of. maybe i'm being to harsh on them, but i guess we'll find out when we hear from c4e about his findings.
Exactly this. Every time there's a new check Chicken Littles run around like morons screaming it's the end. Could it be the end? Sure, but it's far too early to say anything.
Post by: Redsquirrel on January 19, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
if you play on LT then more than likely flagged.
This post has been edited by Redsquirrel: Jan 20 2011, 02:34 AM
Post by: Karun46 on January 19, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Syn201 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:24 PM)
I dont get what you people are on about with your so called backups play the original until the patches arrive if its a pirate copy what businesses do you or anyone have asking for fixes and help HERE
but today's update stopped me from booting games? err no it has not I have tried my retail black ops works fine on all 4 of my 360s including the none flashed one now illegally downloaded and burned games that's a different matter if I can not discuss piracy here then neither should anyone else and posts like this confirm that you do not own the game or you would just play your original ..
@Syn201 - I totally agree with you mate and fail to understand why people are sooooooooooooooo impatient... It's not even 24 hours since M$ released this update and there are already so many idiots posting on this website and expecting a FIX....
The moment I my console askin for an update - I UNPLUGGED MY NETWORK CABLE and DECLINED the update.... I am not going to go online for a few days till I feel it is safe...
If you have updated and not [played COD BO, MW2 and whatever the 3 rd game is ...dont play it for a few days.... I guess there are over 300 games that you can play and increase your GS in the meantime...
You can always BEND the rules BUT to some extent... Peace \m/
This post has been edited by Karun46: Jan 20 2011, 02:36 AM
Post by: toddgei on January 19, 2011, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(satansgutter @ Jan 20 2011, 02:24 AM)
Quick question:
If you are on LT+ v1.1 and have booted Black Ops or Halo Reach, do you get the XVal code change? Does it come back saying Failed AP2.5 error??
Basically asking does LT+ v1.1 protect us at the moment?
My son has LT+ v1.1 and I checked it on xval 2.0 and it comes up as clean.
He thankfully turned the console off at the black screen before the read error which then causes the flag.
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 19, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
(If you have Hitachi LT+ and pulled out within 3 mins, then you will not be flagged for a future ban)
<@xxxxxx> if you did not have LT+ then you will probably be flagged for a future ban
<@xxxxxx> We are working on a fix as we speak - so just be patient and STFU
<ooooooo> this is all ms can do, LT+ has done its job
i.e. force us to patch games like we already did with Fable III, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, and Need For Speed Hot Pursuit.
QUOTE
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> k
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> annoying
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> so
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> 000000 • interesting everyone says it's AP 2.5, then why the hell don't our drives have all the protections against it that LT+ promised
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> u r protected
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> with lt+
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> if u tried to play bops are reach after todays update
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> u didnt get flagged
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> clean sec data
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> older fw ... not so lucky
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> :S
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> how much more protection do u need?
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> 2ndly
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> ass creed B
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> fable 3
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> nfs : hp
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> ALL NEEDEDINFO PATCHED
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> either ppf @ 1st
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> then abgx auto patch
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> those games didnt not load without that datq
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> data*
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> conclusion ?
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> wait till the new patch is rlzd in abgx for bops / reach / mw2
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> should be today if all is wel
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> dont quote me : im not doing it
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> but it will be done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> FOOTNOTE : yes
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> they could do this weekly
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> usually big updates drop tues/wed
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> so every tue/wed 2-3 games could be ap2.5 title updated
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> not a big deal
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> less of a big deal if u r on lt+
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> continue to kill yourselves tho
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> bbl
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> back to ps3 land for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> annoying
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> so
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> 000000 • interesting everyone says it's AP 2.5, then why the hell don't our drives have all the protections against it that LT+ promised
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> u r protected
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> with lt+
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> if u tried to play bops are reach after todays update
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> u didnt get flagged
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> clean sec data
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> older fw ... not so lucky
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> :S
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> how much more protection do u need?
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> 2ndly
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> ass creed B
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> fable 3
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> nfs : hp
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> ALL NEEDEDINFO PATCHED
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> either ppf @ 1st
[12:52am] <@FFFFFFF> then abgx auto patch
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> those games didnt not load without that datq
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> data*
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> conclusion ?
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> wait till the new patch is rlzd in abgx for bops / reach / mw2
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> should be today if all is wel
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> dont quote me : im not doing it
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> but it will be done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> FOOTNOTE : yes
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> they could do this weekly
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> usually big updates drop tues/wed
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> so every tue/wed 2-3 games could be ap2.5 title updated
[12:53am] <@FFFFFFF> not a big deal
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> less of a big deal if u r on lt+
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> continue to kill yourselves tho
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> bbl
[12:54am] <@FFFFFFF> back to ps3 land for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by DARKFiB3R: Jan 20 2011, 02:57 AM
Post by: Freki371 on January 19, 2011, 06:59:00 PM
I have a ssv2 copy of BOps as well as a genuine copy.
On my legit xbox, no problem booting the genuine copy with latest dashboard ver.
On my flashed xbox, the ssv2 copy wont boot, stays on black screen and no flag which im assuming is due to the protection in lt+. However, the legit copy boots up just fine.
Looks like they added ap2.5 in the latest dashboard. :/
Post by: shyzza313 on January 19, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on January 19, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
, he he. The dumb thing is I didn't have lt+ running on my benq and I updated today. Then I tried booting black ops and it said the disc is unreadable. So I checked my system settings and the x numbers were different. Sure enough xval says AP2.5 failed. Time to play offline on the Jtag for now. (After I put my clean 12611 image on the zepyr just for the heck of it.) I just flashed my benq to lt+ and it goes to black screen and refuses to boot because its not ssv3. But a little late on my part. O well I really don't care I bought this Xbox as rrod anyway for $30 and threw some penny's under the board.
Post by: xmstree on January 19, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
However the "black screen, 3 minute window" feature that was added to LT+ defeats this attack. Sure we have to re-burn some games, but at least that's better than MS's goal of detecting and banning modded consoles.
It might appear that MS have won a round, but in fact c4eva was already one step ahead and has defeated this move in advance.
Just patch and re-burn games that have been retrospectively AP2.5 enabled as they are revealed.
Post by: ZerOneX on January 19, 2011, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: shyzza313 on January 19, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: stancartmanson on January 19, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 19 2011, 11:19 PM)
No he said there were no ap2.5 checks on black ops, which there wasnt until 12 hours ago. However, there has been ap2.5 present on discs going back to Fifa 2009. Seems to be that MS can only activate the ap checks on titles through firmware updates.
OK. So does that mean abgx doesn't pick up AP2.5 on Reach etc because it can't detect it, and is programmed specifically to tell you Fable 3 etc are ap25 and need patching?
Edit: Are people saying AC:Brotherhood isn't working? I might have misread that, tired.
Post by: 360ModNation on January 19, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
If you have LT+ you are protected from being banned and still play 99.9999999% of games.
The firmware doesn't even have to be fixed necessarily for those games to work again either.......
we just need AP2.5 rips of them. In a few days those rips will show up and everything will be fine.
WORST case scenario is Microsoft can now patch AP2.5 to ALL games in which case it would just take more work getting each game in abgx360 re-updated to having AP2.5.
I seriously doubt that is possible though. Sure some games are going to have the ABILITY to have AP2.5 activated like FIFA does from way back when, but I would most of them are all NEWER and MICROSOFT DEVELOPED games. If AP2.5 was never actually on the disc then they can't put it on there.
The reason Microsoft did these specific titles without having AP2.5 activated before shipping is because they knew they were the most pirated games and they would ban a ton of people.
That's it.
C4EVA and the guys did their job. We can play all games, but 3 of them and even if we try to play those 3 we won't get banned for it. Plus its a matter of days before we can play those again even.
What the hell else could you ask for?
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on January 19, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
was there a change before/after?
xval http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=696941
Post by: Karun46 on January 19, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(360ModNation @ Jan 20 2011, 01:10 PM)
You guys are COMPLETELY overreacting.
If you have LT+ you are protected from being banned and still play 99.9999999% of games.
The firmware doesn't even have to be fixed necessarily for those games to work again either.......
we just need AP2.5 rips of them. In a few days those rips will show up and everything will be fine.
WORST case scenario is Microsoft can now patch AP2.5 to ALL games in which case it would just take more work getting each game in abgx360 re-updated to having AP2.5.
I seriously doubt that is possible though. Sure some games are going to have the ABILITY to have AP2.5 activated like FIFA does from way back when, but I would most of them are all NEWER and MICROSOFT DEVELOPED games. If AP2.5 was never actually on the disc then they can't put it on there.
The reason Microsoft did these specific titles without having AP2.5 activated before shipping is because they knew they were the most pirated games and they would ban a ton of people.
That's it.
C4EVA and the guys did their job. We can play all games, but 3 of them and even if we try to play those 3 we won't get banned for it. Plus its a matter of days before we can play those again even.
What the hell else could you ask for?
I agree with you.... that is what I thought and was hoping for.... Updating AP 2.5 patches in ABGX....
In C4Eva WEEEEEEEEEEE TRUSTTTTTTTTT \m/
Post by: Garytek on January 19, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
"by paddy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:20 pm
Ok so can't play black ops what shall I play!!! So I thought oh I'll have a go on acb, popped the disc in started to load, new update 7mb, ok did that now jus get black screen same as black ops, anybody else had this, all I've read is that acb is good to go"
Can anyone confirm if this?
Post by: col12 on January 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: evil-dereck on January 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(360ModNation @ Jan 19 2011, 08:10 PM)
WORST case scenario is Microsoft can now patch AP2.5 to ALL games in which case it would just take more work getting each game in abgx360 re-updated to having AP2.5.
Which of course they would never do because it's a complete waste of time. Only games that are still currently generating revenue are going to be targeted, in particular triple-A titles with gigantic online player bases and years worth of overpriced map-packs to sell. Any game with a dried-up revenue stream (which is most of them) will more than likely left alone.
Post by: Garytek on January 19, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Jan 20 2011, 11:53 AM)
have you guys checked your xval data after you received the black screen?
was there a change before/after?
xval http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=696941
Secdata clean here.
For users of LT+:
It is imperative that the Xbox 360's power plug is pulled off within 3 minutes once you see the black screen.
Post by: 360ModNation on January 19, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 19 2011, 10:29 PM)
Secdata clean here.
For users of LT+:
It is imperative that the Xbox 360's power plug is pulled off within 3 minutes once you see the black screen.
^^^^^^^^^
What he said.
If you don't turn your console off within 3 minutes YOU WILL GET BANNED even with LT+.
Post by: Reaper527 on January 19, 2011, 07:36:00 PM
QUOTE(360ModNation @ Jan 19 2011, 09:10 PM)
I seriously doubt that is possible though. Sure some games are going to have the ABILITY to have AP2.5 activated like FIFA does from way back when, but I would most of them are all NEWER and MICROSOFT DEVELOPED games. If AP2.5 was never actually on the disc then they can't put it on there.
actually, most of the games are NOT microsoft developed games.
ms ap2.5 games:
fable 3
halo reach
non-ms ap2.5 games:
assassins creed brotherhood
need for speed hot pursuit
cod black ops
cod mw2
that being said, you are correct. the ap2.5 data must be on the disc originally for ms to activate it
QUOTE
OK. So does that mean abgx doesn't pick up AP2.5 on Reach etc because it can't detect it, and is programmed specifically to tell you Fable 3 etc are ap25 and need patching?
Edit: Are people saying AC:Brotherhood isn't working? I might have misread that, tired.
its not detecting it because the ap2.5 flag isn't set on the game at the xex level. this means that the abgx servers have to be manually set to report that the game is ap2.5
also, ac:brotherhood is working just fine on lt+ consoles when the ap2.5 data is patched to the disc, just like it was before the update.
Post by: PaddyPat on January 19, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
QUOTE(col12 @ Jan 19 2011, 08:28 PM)
those games didnt have ap25 wen they were released i can not get my head around were we will get these ap files from they were applied are activated by TU and abgx doesnt pick them up from the disk they came with ap25 but were not activated
Games since FIFA 09 DO have AP25 data on them. Current methods of ripping and checking with ABGX do not pick it up, though.
Team Jungle (or whoever) has said that they know how to rip them to extract that data but will not release it for fear that Microsoft will close that exploit. Once they rip it with AP25 data they then upload it to ABGX and you can access it. I'm oversimplifying the answer, but I'm pretty sure this is correct in layman's terms.
Post by: evil-dereck on January 19, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 19 2011, 08:29 PM)
Secdata clean here.
For users of LT+:
It is imperative that the Xbox 360's power plug is pulled off within 3 minutes once you see the black screen.
QUOTE(360ModNation @ Jan 19 2011, 08:33 PM)
If you don't turn your console off within 3 minutes YOU WILL GET BANNED even with LT+.
Not that I question the validity of these statements at all, since I'm sure it is the case, but where did you guys come across this info?
Post by: Reaper527 on January 19, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE(PaddyPat @ Jan 19 2011, 09:37 PM)
Games since FIFA 09 DO have AP25 data on them. Current methods of ripping and checking with ABGX do not pick it up, though.
Team Jungle (or whoever) has said that they know how to rip them to extract that data but will not release it for fear that Microsoft will close that exploit. Once they rip it with AP25 data they then upload it to ABGX and you can access it. I'm oversimplifying the answer, but I'm pretty sure this is correct in layman's terms.
this is exactly what i have read as well
Post by: warbeast on January 19, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
if it is a case of ms adding ap2.5 updates on older titles it will be intresting to see how we can use these updates to fix older titles and if ms has added anything else to stop this info being found and used
thou im sure if it is ap2.5 and ms has done somthing funky to stop people getting the info for these older titles we could always use a jtag to find it
Post by: 360ModNation on January 19, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
Notice how I said NEWER and Microsoft Developed Games.
ALL GAMES AFTER FIFA 09 DON'T HAVE AP2.5
Post by: xmstree on January 19, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
We still don't know how this AP2.5 data is getting extracted from these discs, as TX are keeping it a secret. It's possible they are only able to extract this data with the flag set, so they may not be able to extract the AP2.5 data for black ops?
Otherwise - why haven't they extracted the SSv3 data for Black Ops already? Maybe they just didn't see the need to extract this data as the game had the flag disabled? If it were me, I would have just extracted the data and added it to abgx anyway, for this inevitable firmware update,
Post by: Garytek on January 19, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
QUOTE(evil-dereck @ Jan 20 2011, 12:08 PM)
Not that I question the validity of these statements at all, since I'm sure it is the case, but where did you guys come across this info?
I saw some posts urging users to do it when news of the new dashboard update came out.
The black screen is part of LT+'s protection for unpatched backups that are checked for AP2.5. Going beyond the 3 minute time limit will most likely register a flag for banning.
My impatience saved me last night when I kept unplugging my Xbox in frustration. I didn't know anything about a 3 minute time limit until I started lurking in the forums.
Post by: BoNg420 on January 19, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 19 2011, 09:27 PM)
Saw this on ixtreme.net
"by paddy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:20 pm
Ok so can't play black ops what shall I play!!! So I thought oh I'll have a go on acb, popped the disc in started to load, new update 7mb, ok did that now jus get black screen same as black ops, anybody else had this, all I've read is that acb is good to go"
Can anyone confirm if this?
Sounds like maybe they were on old dashboard and then updated the dashboard. Then they didn't patch the game with ABGX perhaps. So no AP25 on it.
Post by: Reaper527 on January 19, 2011, 07:55:00 PM
QUOTE(xmstree @ Jan 19 2011, 09:48 PM)
It's possible they are only able to extract this data with the flag set, so they may not be able to extract the AP2.5 data for black ops?
thats not the case at all. example: fable 3
Post by: mat82284 on January 19, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
This just sucks!! I wonder if it has anything to do with having lt+ 1.1 or maybe this would have happened on a non modded system too?? The system is old, non hdmi and I was needing an upgrade anyways, but I'll be extra mad if i get banned for a retail disc. That would just suck. Either way since I have lots of originals I'll be buying a slim if a ban happens.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? or am I the only fluke to have this issue? Where on the disc would the ap 2.5 be located at? Wouldn't Microsoft have an issue if they banned all the flagged people and it really could have been a real disc being scratched or a bad laser?? My laser is loud and has loading issues, that could have contributed to the issue....
Any ideas?? I'm sure a slim is going to end up in my house in the near future.
Post by: Garytek on January 19, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
QUOTE(mat82284 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:26 PM)
This just sucks!! I wonder if it has anything to do with having lt+ 1.1 or maybe this would have happened on a non modded system too?? The system is old, non hdmi and I was needing an upgrade anyways, but I'll be extra mad if i get banned for a retail disc. That would just suck. Either way since I have lots of originals I'll be buying a slim if a ban happens.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? or am I the only fluke to have this issue? Where on the disc would the ap 2.5 be located at? Wouldn't Microsoft have an issue if they banned all the flagged people and it really could have been a real disc being scratched or a bad laser?? My laser is loud and has loading issues, that could have contributed to the issue....
Any ideas?? I'm sure a slim is going to end up in my house in the near future.
Yep. I've read a post that scratched original games and/or dodgy DVD drive lasers can also fail AP2.5 checks. Bad luck dude
Post by: Karun46 on January 19, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:53 PM)
Sounds like maybe they were on old dashboard and then updated the dashboard. Then they didn't patch the game with ABGX perhaps. So no AP25 on it.
Hi guys, not sure if someone has asked this question...
Nov 4: M$ release Kinect update... to tackle that, most of us upgraded the FW to LT+.... I updated
Nov 11: Lets assume on this date ABGX was updated... I updated ABGX to 1.05
Now here comes my question:-
In Nov, we had 3 games reproted having AP2.5: ACBH, Fable 3, NFS HP
FIX: ABGX patched these games and they were good to go...
Along with these 3 games, did black OPS had the AP2.5 then back in Nov?????
what I am trying to ask, why do the above 3 games - ACBH, Fable 3, NFS HP not returning Black screens at the moment... Does this mean because they were patched back in Nov, M$ can not do jack @*it (change) with them anymore...
If the above is true, then isn't it just a matter of time .... we apply the patch once to Black Ops thorugh ABGX (obviuosly when it becomes available) and we will be good to Go ???
So once ABGX has patched fix the AP2.5 game, is there a way M$ can in the future go and make it unreadable or create issues for us??
Thanks in advance....
Post by: mat82284 on January 19, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 19 2011, 07:03 PM)
Yep. I've read a post that scratched original games and/or dodgy DVD drive lasers can also fail AP2.5 checks. Bad luck dude
Yeah I was so confident that I was fine since the games were originals so I did the update. I would have at least thought that microsoft would be smart enough to put a timer on a flag or something to that extent. Like if you get flagged once for a game and it doesnt boot, but then later that day it boots and works it should remove that flag. Or say you get flagged once they give you 1 month and if you get flagged by any other game you end up getting banned, but if you get flagged and then later that game is booting up just fine on the flagged system the flag should be removed. This way anyone with retail games, or bad semi working lasers shouldn't get caught in the cross fire.
When they do start banning, I wonder what they will do when alot of people get banned for a failed ap 2.5 or in the future when new systems start having laser issues or games getting bad rings around them.
To me it sounds like banning an ap 2.5 flagged system is a bad idea.
Does anyone know where the ap2.5 is located on the disc? The stupid xbox makes complete rings around games from time to time and I could easily see this brought back up again as a huge lawsuit over systems that scratch games and get the system banned, or a semi malfunctioning laser.
I'm enjoying black ops now, but we'll see how long that lasts.
Post by: lrod2344 on January 19, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Question: CAN MS indeed activate AP25 on a PREVIOUSLY non-AP25 game?
Answer: I think we all have that answer now.
So in my opinion the SAFEST thing to do would be:
A: Dont accept the update... but then you cant play o live
B: Accept the update but DO NOT EVEN PLACE THE NEW KNOWN AP25 TITLES in the Drive(BlackOps, MW2, Reach).
To clear things up The previous titles (ACB, NFSHP, Fable 3) worked with LT+ because if you were smart you ran it through ABGX and patched the iso with SSv3 and reburned. Since the new titles werent affected there was no reason for SSv3 and they worked as before. Now that they have had AP25 Activated we NEED SSv3 for them.
I read that some people are reporting that when an affected title is booted the screen blacks and it takes a long time to shut down.... this could be intentional by MS to combat LT+ for Hitachi.... LT+ is for Hitachi 78/79 Drives ONLY and will black the screen out and protect the console FOR 3 MINUTES ONLY from a AP25 violation flag... I would just unplug the console to be sure. Remember the 3 minute protection is for Hitachis only BenQ and LiteOn are protected indefinately. Samsungs are not AP25 Capable so no worrys.... has anyone with a Samsung and New Update reported issues? HMMMM.....
Once again if you have the RETAIL disc you SHOULD be unaffected.....
Post by: Weirdjerz3y on January 19, 2011, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: ProphetOfPain on January 19, 2011, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: Garytek on January 19, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:15 PM)
LT+ is for Hitachi 78/79 Drives ONLY and will black the screen out and protect the console FOR 3 MINUTES ONLY from a AP25 violation flag... I would just unplug the console to be sure. Remember the 3 minute protection is for Hitachis only BenQ and LiteOn are protected indefinately.
Incorrect. Users with Lite-On drives and LT+ have reported being flagged for bans because they left games like Black Ops in the tray in too long.
Like I said before, I want someone to confirm if they can still run Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and Fable 3 after applying the new dashboard update. This will dictate whether we need a new LT+ firmware or not.
Post by: lrod2344 on January 19, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 20 2011, 05:02 AM)
Incorrect. Users with Lite-On drives and LT+ have reported being flagged for bans because they left games like Black Ops in the tray in too long.
Like I said before, I want someone to confirm if they can still run Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and Fable 3 after applying the new dashboard update. This will dictate whether we need a new LT+ firmware or not.
"incorrect" is a Strong Statement as I didnt actually MAKE any of the FWs.... however I WILL Quote Team Xecuter and C4E:
As promised earlier on our forums, here is a Christmas gift to the scene
C4EÂ’s iXtreme LT+ in association with Team Jungle & Team Xecuter
——————————————————————————————————————————-
Official release of the iXtreme LT+ for Hitachi (FAT Models)
- Supports AP25 backups for Hitachi 78,79
- Other Hitachis (32,36,40,46,47,58,59) updated to conform to LT spec
- Optimised PFI code to accomodate AP25 SS data
- Defeats current AP25 protection
- Protects console from logging AP25 violation for a period of 3 minutes, turn off/on console on black screen bootup before your 3 minutes is up
- Full disc stealth used by default
- Waveless booting , disc images are assumed to be correct!
- Split-Vid used as default
If booting an AP25 title without AP25 SS on 78 or 79 game will not boot but will still be protected from logging AP25 violation on current dash 12611 for approx 3 minutes
If LT+ encounters an unknown AP25 challenge, game will not boot but console will still be protected from logging AP25 violation on current dash 12611 for approx 3 minutes
It COULD be a New Ap25 Challenge that LT+ isnt aware of thus not able to protect against a violation...but thats not for me to determine I'll let the experts handle THAT part.... however as it stands the "3 Minute protection" is ONLY implemented on Hitachi 78/79s with LT+.... The rest are just protected.... Im just a messenger and you know what they say......
Post by: Aldanga on January 19, 2011, 09:16:00 PM
QUOTE(nafeasonto @ Jan 19 2011, 09:06 PM)
If PS3 was hacked, the new dash can be jtaged.
This thread is for discussing the Xbox LIVE update, not for you to demonstrate your lack of knowledge about the 360's security and rail on other users. Please keep uneducated discussion regarding hacking to other, more appropriate threads and/or Newbie Chat and keep the flames off of the forums.
Post by: lrod2344 on January 19, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
Suppose My console is connected to the internet.... wherether signed into Live or not.... and an AP25 Violation occurs .....even though my NAND is protected from recording the violation becuase Im running LT+ ... could the NEW Update have possibly enabled some kind of "on-the-fly" reporting of the violation to MS Servers when a connection is detected?
Sounds plausible.... stranger things HAVE happened.....
Post by: Otaku073 on January 19, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: ravendrow on January 19, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: Aldanga on January 19, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
QUOTE(ravendrow @ Jan 19 2011, 10:37 PM)
is there any chance m$ found a hole in there dash that would re enable homebrew and just released this update to patch said hole or bug on top of trying to screw everyone.
No.
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on January 19, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Jan 19 2011, 09:16 PM)
This thread is for discussing the Xbox LIVE update...and keep the flames off of the forums.
Aldana's right. It's ridiculous reading this thread.
Each post that is removed will go along with a warning. This includes those who quote the post and/or respond to it in a negative manner.
Guys, it's an update. Quit thinking it's the end of the world. Besides, your retails are still working, right? </parent>
Post by: lc204 on January 19, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: Weirdjerz3y on January 19, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
QUOTE(lc204 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:43 AM)
So is Samsung the safest drive right now?
Im hoping it is, i asked a question if the Samsung with LT1.0 is the safest, but no one answered.
Post by: Twinsen on January 19, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Weirdjerz3y @ Jan 20 2011, 07:05 AM)
Im hoping it is, i asked a question if the Samsung with LT1.0 is the safest, but no one answered.
More than likely since it can't run AP2.5 checks anyway. It's basically the safest drive at the moment, so it should still play all games after the update. Try it out and report back. Thanks!
Post by: Weirdjerz3y on January 19, 2011, 11:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Twinsen @ Jan 20 2011, 01:11 AM)
More than likely since it can't run AP2.5 checks anyway. It's basically the safest drive at the moment, so it should still play all games after the update. Try it out and report back. Thanks!
Ill update, but i know this wont work anyway since the nand, but ill try to run cod offline
-Okay, I updated, and ran cod, read and booted perfectly offline. Also tested online, worked fine.
Used Xval, Secdata clean.
I am running a SamsungMS28 with LT1.0, New dash, and Cod of Duty, Black ops worked. I guess its good to go.
Post by: Twinsen on January 20, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Weirdjerz3y @ Jan 20 2011, 07:21 AM)
Ill update, but i know this wont work anyway since the nand, but ill try to run cod offline
-Okay, I updated, and ran cod, read and booted perfectly offline. Also tested online, worked fine.
Used Xval, Secdata clean.
I am running a SamsungMS28 with LT1.0, New dash, and Cod of Duty, Black ops worked. I guess its good to go.
Told ya. All it is is that they enabled AP2.5. Big deal, update from ABGX when they get it out in the next couple of days and be back to normal for the rest of us with newer drives.
Post by: ravendrow on January 20, 2011, 12:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Jan 19 2011, 10:39 PM)
No.
aldanga thanks for the response do you mind if i pm you? i had a few questions not relating to all this game drama lol and i learned to ask first. some people take it so personally when you pm them
.
Post by: Aldanga on January 20, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
Post by: float2001 on January 20, 2011, 01:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jan 19 2011, 11:02 PM)
Incorrect. Users with Lite-On drives and LT+ have reported being flagged for bans because they left games like Black Ops in the tray in too long.
Like I said before, I want someone to confirm if they can still run Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and Fable 3 after applying the new dashboard update. This will dictate whether we need a new LT+ firmware or not.
Assassin Creed works. fable 3 works also
Post by: col12 on January 20, 2011, 01:35:00 AM
Post by: danthaman673 on January 20, 2011, 01:39:00 AM
OK guys this is getting a bit out of control and somewhat repetitive (as always read all the posts before posting urself)
I believe that there is more to this than just activation of AP 2.5 checks unilaterally, I know that M$ employees in outer areas have heard that this update will boot/stop 'pirates' Judging by the size of the update etc, and the fact there are so little changes (the just re-enabled the boot from disc @ startup option speaks volumes) I would guess there are implications for JTAG (might be a while before we get a working freeboot update - and I'll bet ur going to need one soon) Amongst other things....
Clearly they have activated AP 2.5 checks across the board so basically if u have a backup made since 08 make sure you have a AP2.5 patched backup if you want to dare playing online. I would also guess that as before Xval will be used more for enforcement than flagging (I would say they have also implemented a new store-and-forward system for flagging ppl offline) as we already guessed from the last ban-wave.
I would guess they have implemented the slim capability to actively check what FW the drive has so it might be a very long time before we see the new Slim dries FW and I would guess that eventually a piggy-back chip with a copy of ur orig FW will be needed or something like it)
If you have the latest LT+ and you still want to play online (as opposed to waiting offline 1-3 months to see who/why gets banned) Then you should use your originals for now. In fact if u plan to do that and really want to survive the next ban wave then flash back to stock (as it wont matter if ur just playing ur originals)
If you can backup ur Nand now! If you have 'AP 2.5 check failed' (or similar) I would advise keeping that box offline indefinitely.
I'm wondering if (before the update back on 126111) discs (without AP2.5 that needed it) gave the just dirty disc error, or did the black screen as wel. If they didn't then getting the black screen might be a bad thing ;-)
Now I'm hoping that I'm wrong (we'll see what C4eva, and others with the correct tools make of this) but it's better to be safe than sorry.Now
I'm off to go backup my online nands.....
Good Luck all/Dan
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 20, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
QUOTE
<@xxxxxx> I can only go by what worked before with regards to AP25 - I personally did the NFS patch for c4 - and that same method isnt working with this new stuff - but i havent exhausted all possibilities yet. So gimme a few and i will get back on it
Post by: luchtgitaar on January 20, 2011, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: tomgreen99200 on January 20, 2011, 02:07:00 AM
QUOTE(luchtgitaar @ Jan 20 2011, 10:05 AM)
So is there a list of AP2.5 games, which do/doesnt work at the moment with LT+ FW?
halo reach, Black ops, mw2.
Post by: Liquid Metal X on January 20, 2011, 02:08:00 AM
unfortunately my console was modded in Sep 2010 so dont have LT+ version
The drive is a LiteON so of course 'Failed AP25 Challenge'
Couple of quick questions
1. Is there any point for me to get the latest firmware LT+ at this point
2. If I get banned from XBOX live, can i still use my console for offline use.
Thanks in advance
Post by: tomgreen99200 on January 20, 2011, 02:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Liquid Metal X @ Jan 20 2011, 10:08 AM)
hey guys, same problem ie unreadable disc.
unfortunately my console was modded in Sep 2010 so dont have LT+ version
The drive is a LiteON so of course 'Failed AP25 Challenge'
Couple of quick questions
1. Is there any point for me to get the latest firmware LT+ at this point
2. If I get banned from XBOX live, can i still use my console for offline use.
Thanks in advance
Best option would be to wait and see.
Post by: Redsquirrel on January 20, 2011, 02:51:00 AM
Post by: darksideby182 on January 20, 2011, 03:02:00 AM
Cheers.
Post by: Redsquirrel on January 20, 2011, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE(darksideby182 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:02 PM)
I'm on the hitachi 59 drive and can still play black ops but do you think it's worth while waiting to see what will come of this and is it worth checking my x val.
Cheers.
dont think that has AP25 anyway, so thats why its working.. always worthwhile checking your x val though.
QUOTE(darksideby182 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:02 PM)
I'm on the hitachi 59 drive and can still play black ops but do you think it's worth while waiting to see what will come of this and is it worth checking my x val.
Cheers.
dont think that has AP25 anyway, so thats why its working.. always worthwhile checking your x val though.
Post by: Silenoz9 on January 20, 2011, 03:17:00 AM
1 Xenon PAL 2006,sold the original drive(Hitachi 59)and put a Lite On 93450
MW2,Black Ops working FINE,LT+1.1
Post by: ddsdavey on January 20, 2011, 03:23:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Jan 20 2011, 08:39 AM)
OK guys this is getting a bit out of control and somewhat repetitive (as always read all the posts before posting urself)
So why spend half a page stating the same points yourself like YOU had something new???!
QUOTE(Silenoz9 @ Jan 20 2011, 10:17 AM)
I have:
1 Xenon PAL 2006,sold the original drive(Hitachi 59)and put a Lite On 93450
MW2,Black Ops working FINE,LT+1.1
It wont have,its obvious it wont,its not supporting AP2.5?
Anyone with any Hitachi barr 78/79 and anyone with a Samsung,WE KNOW ALREADY!!!
Post by: cryptonx on January 20, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
I only play a backup of my brothers Fifa 2011 online ( he lives 2 blocks away )
Should I update and ignore this ?
People who are saying we need to PULL OUT THE PLUG.
I thought C4EVA said that this is required for Hitachis only ? but anyways Who in his right mind would wait for more than 3 minutes for the game to load ?
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Should I go with 1.1 to be More safe ? as I heard 1.1 improves PFI only but 1.0 is still secure ? right ?
Post by: aswilbourn on January 20, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Silenoz9 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:17 PM)
I have:
1 Xenon PAL 2006,sold the original drive(Hitachi 59)and put a Lite On 93450
MW2,Black Ops working FINE,LT+1.1
Thats all well and good but your going to get banned anyway for spoofing a drive!
Post by: Deepweed on January 20, 2011, 03:29:00 AM
k3rn3l just came into the irc and described the situation in one word "problems"
when asked if it was AP25, he only said "yes and no"
make what you will of it, he said work would begin in the morning and that was the end of it
Update from k3rn3l@#fw on the patching status: the new AP25 check has a new element in it, the data can't be extracted with the usual method. Work on it will resume tomorrow.
Post by: tillbis on January 20, 2011, 03:47:00 AM
Post by: userrefuser on January 20, 2011, 03:56:00 AM
Post by: jokuvuan on January 20, 2011, 04:01:00 AM
Post by: XOR101 on January 20, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
Post by: carlitoB on January 20, 2011, 04:23:00 AM
'New Dashboard 12611 - Fixes 'Boot to Disc', New Protection'
the new dashboard is actually 12625
thank you please!
Post by: Trony666 on January 20, 2011, 04:23:00 AM
Post by: aswilbourn on January 20, 2011, 04:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Trony666 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:23 PM)
If you update will it affect any older game like fallout 3 and borderlands, also has there been any reports of people getting banned, I still haven't updated
The only games reported so far are Black Ops, MW2 and Halo Reach....that doesn't mean there aren't others tho. The only way to find out is for people to try and report back. If you are on LT+ 1.0 or 1.1 then it looks like you will be protected by the 3 minute rule anyway if you decide to try out other games and it just black screens....No reports of actual bans yet but reports of xval flags for people on older firmware.
Post by: Trony666 on January 20, 2011, 04:32:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Jan 20 2011, 10:29 PM)
The only games reported so far are Black Ops, MW2 and Halo Reach....that doesn't mean there aren't others tho. The only way to find out is for people to try and report back. If you are on LT+ 1.0 or 1.1 then it looks like you will be protected by the 3 minute rule anyway if you decide to try out other games and it just black screens....No reports of actual bans yet but reports of xval flags for people on older firmware. Also if you have a Samsung drive it appears you are not affected at all as they are incapable of ap 25 checks.
how long does is usually take to get banned when a ban wave has started?
Post by: aswilbourn on January 20, 2011, 04:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Trony666 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:32 PM)
how long does is usually take to get banned when a ban wave has started?
That's entirely up to Microsof to decide....they usually wait a few weeks or maybe months while they collect data on individual consoles and then ban in one big wave (the dreaded ban hammer). This is what happened in 2009 when MW2 came out...around 1,000,000 banned of which I was one!
Actually I might have misread your question...when a ban WAVE starts yours console will be banned in a matter of hours or days....its when you are flagged that it might take weeks or months.
Post by: ddsdavey on January 20, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
I realise spoofing gets me flagged but its an old unit that can frankly go in a skip after mines back again!
Post by: Trony666 on January 20, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Jan 20 2011, 10:34 PM)
That's entirely up to Microsof to decide....they usually wait a few weeks or maybe months while they collect data on individual consoles and then ban in one big wave (the dreaded ban hammer). This is what happened in 2009 when MW2 came out...around 1,000,000 banned of which I was one!
Actually I might have misread your question...when a ban WAVE starts yours console will be banned in a matter of hours or days....its when you are flagged that it might take weeks or months.
thanks for the information
Post by: Fangface74 on January 20, 2011, 04:42:00 AM
QUOTE(jokuvuan @ Jan 20 2011, 12:01 PM)
I read and searched this topic, and found no mention on Fallout New Vegas. Has anyone tried did New Vegas work on the new dashboard update?
Vegas working fine on my updated LT+ Benq (Black Ops not working etc)
Post by: sephiroth666 on January 20, 2011, 04:48:00 AM
QUOTE(ddsdavey @ Jan 20 2011, 11:40 AM)
Ok now im confused,just pulled out an old unit with broken Benq,swapped out for Samsung MS28 flashed to LT 1.1,updated through Live then tried black ops and its unreadable? Surely this shouldnt be on Samsung? Or is it because im using a hdd thats already had this update applied yesterday on my usual Liteon console?
I realise spoofing gets me flagged but its an old unit that can frankly go in a skip after mines back again!
If the original drive was Benq you can't just swap to Samsung and hope to bypass the ap25. Dashboard will still check for ap25 because it thinks the console has a benq drive. Since the Samsung cannot process this check, the game will not boot.
Post by: cardyology on January 20, 2011, 04:48:00 AM
I have a Jasper console, originally LT1.1, I updated it to LT+ about 2 months ago.
I only play BO/MW2 on that box on live, I have originals of both BO & MW2. I;ve read that even originals will flag me for a ban? is that correct?
I;ve not turned my box on since this new patch was unleashed by MS so i;ve not downloaded it yet.
SO am I right in thinking if i pop my box open & re-flash back to stock Liteon 7xxx firmware with my key, & then update, it'll miss that I had LT+?
ANyone done this with success? Cardz.
Post by: luchtgitaar on January 20, 2011, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Jan 20 2011, 10:07 AM)
halo reach, Black ops, mw2.
This are the games, which dont have 2.5 'Out of the box'. Is there a list of games, which have AP2.5 out of the box? I know AC:BH has it and NFS:HP, but cant find a list of other games.
Post by: danthaman673 on January 20, 2011, 05:16:00 AM
QUOTE(luchtgitaar @ Jan 20 2011, 06:35 PM)
So is there a list of AP2.5 games, which do/doesnt work at the moment with LT+ FW?
Pretty much every game since fifa 09 released in 08. As I said above wait for an AP 2.5 patch for the older games before attempting to play. It may be that some of the older games either don't have AP 2.5 or have an older (and not used by new dash) implementation of AP 2.5
QUOTE(cardyology @ Jan 20 2011, 09:18 PM)
Hey guys, this is bad news eh?
I have a Jasper console, originally LT1.1, I updated it to LT+ about 2 months ago.
I only play BO/MW2 on that box on live, I have originals of both BO & MW2. I;ve read that even originals will flag me for a ban? is that correct?
I;ve not turned my box on since this new patch was unleashed by MS so i;ve not downloaded it yet.
SO am I right in thinking if i pop my box open & re-flash back to stock Liteon 7xxx firmware with my key, & then update, it'll miss that I had LT+?
ANyone done this with success? Cardz.
I would say almost certainly: Yes
We still don't know if the new dash was designed to detect LT+ (Phats may not even be capable of doing it) But if want to be sure, flash stock before the update is applied. I would guess that LT+ is still probably safe (even if it fails a disc for lack of AP 2.5 - FW should tell the mobo that the disc is dirty) But given they (M$) just dropped this having had time to have a look at LT+ and find a way to trip it up. At any rate as I stated in my rant further above, You would all be wise to use ur originals even if u have LT+, if u have older FW then you will get banned (You have almost certainly been flagged already) and perhaps it is this percentage of consoles that they are targeting. We will see...
Post by: WryNail on January 20, 2011, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: cardyology on January 20, 2011, 05:31:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Jan 20 2011, 02:16 PM)
I would say almost certainly: Yes
Thanks for the concise & speedy reply mate!
Im gonna do this tongiht when i get home. I have my drive key on my PC, should be as easy as injecting it into ORIG.BIN or wtf its called for the 7-series liteon & then flashing that to my drive. i'll be stock (no backups) but like i say, i can live with that. I have a JTAG unit too
Post by: Liquid Metal X on January 20, 2011, 05:36:00 AM
- Subscriptions
- Game downloads
- Movies
- Pay TV
I have 'Failed AP25 Challenge' so my days are numbered. I will just get a PS3 then and no more money for M$
Post by: jasonvoak on January 20, 2011, 05:37:00 AM
Post by: aswilbourn on January 20, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Liquid Metal X @ Jan 20 2011, 02:36 PM)
if and when M$ start the ban wave, they will be losing a lot of money in revenue.
- Subscriptions
- Game downloads
- Movies
- Pay TV
I have 'Failed AP25 Challenge' so my days are numbered. I will just get a PS3 then and no more money for M$
Actually quite the opposite they'll be raking it in....I bet you the majority of people that got banned in the last ban wave when out and bought themselves a new xbox. I remember making the threat of buying a PS3 last time out of anger but in the end xbox live is just too good....you live by the sword you die by the sword!
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(luchtgitaar @ Jan 20 2011, 12:56 PM)
This are the games, which dont have 2.5 'Out of the box'. Is there a list of games, which have AP2.5 out of the box? I know AC:BH has it and NFS:HP, but cant find a list of other games.
No games have it "out of the box" as such
All new games ship with AP2.5 protection on the discs, but it's whether your xbox is doing an ap2.5 check on that game or not. It seems that the only way that your xbox will look for ap2.5 on the disc is if the xbox knows to look for it on that particular game, going by what has happened so far it takes an update from microsoft to do that.
The only way that a game could ship and be AP2.5 protected straight away would be if MS activated AP2.5 in advance on that title in an update or if there was an update file on the disc which updated your 360 to look for AP2.5 in that particular game.
Post by: lleial on January 20, 2011, 05:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Liquid Metal X @ Jan 20 2011, 01:36 PM)
if and when M$ start the ban wave, they will be losing a lot of money in revenue.
- Subscriptions
- Game downloads
- Movies
- Pay TV
I have 'Failed AP25 Challenge' so my days are numbered. I will just get a PS3 then and no more money for M$
hahaha, to be honest, I've been flagged aswell, and I don't really care, if I get banned in 3months, then the day after I'll be buying another XBOX, and this time I wont hack it, I've totally changed my mind with modded consoles, not doing it anymore, because these days I've been playing black ops like crazy, 10hrs/day and this cut off has been the worst, so I've already orderd an original copy of the game, and today I just recieved halo reach through the post.
I already had a PS3, and I got the YLOD
Redards
Post by: jokuvuan on January 20, 2011, 05:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Fangface74 @ Jan 20 2011, 01:42 PM)
Vegas working fine on my updated LT+ Benq (Black Ops not working etc)
Thank you for the info!
Post by: Hoescout on January 20, 2011, 05:52:00 AM
Wish WAW got patched also.
The phucking phaggots need to stop score modding and cheating and W/E
I'm glad about new security checks MS implements. The mfs need to be punished who still dont get that playing backups should stay offline, and the few games u play regularly online should be originals on a non flashed box.
PHUKING PHAGGOTS!
Post by: Bad_Ad on January 20, 2011, 06:17:00 AM
Backups are the same as retail, you cant edit the contents to cheat. Drive mod just allows DVDR to boot, not let you edit the game files (assuming they are all signed - which they should be)
Jtag consoles are the ones which allow you to cheat and have been banned in the matter of hours for a long time - still doesnt stop people.
Post by: ddsdavey on January 20, 2011, 06:19:00 AM
QUOTE(sephiroth666 @ Jan 20 2011, 11:48 AM)
If the original drive was Benq you can't just swap to Samsung and hope to bypass the ap25. Dashboard will still check for ap25 because it thinks the console has a benq drive. Since the Samsung cannot process this check, the game will not boot.
But its worked before? I know you are not protected with stealth but ive had them boot before,i sell alot so im always swpping drives etc.I know i have and others also,im sure they have????
Post by: satansgutter on January 20, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
If you have a non compatible AP2.5 drive like a Samsung drive, are you safe at the moment?
Also just had a thought, I reckon M$ will start banning as soon as Gears 3 is released
Post by: Bad_Ad on January 20, 2011, 06:23:00 AM
Has anyone tried to unflag their console by restoring the secdata, like how you would uncripple xboxes in the last ban wave?
This would obviously require someone who is flagged offline i.e. updated, then disconnected from live and tried to play a newly ap2.5 enabled game and then been flagged in the xval
Post by: sephiroth666 on January 20, 2011, 06:26:00 AM
QUOTE(ddsdavey @ Jan 20 2011, 01:19 PM)
But its worked before? I know you are not protected with stealth but ive had them boot before,i sell alot so im always swpping drives etc.I know i have and others also,im sure they have????
Not since the ap25 update a few months back.
Post by: Iknownothingatall on January 20, 2011, 06:36:00 AM
Anyway I what realy sucks is that the researching the new dashboard will slow already-in-progress research on the LT+ for Slim.....
Post by: MadBoxer on January 20, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
QUOTE(ddsdavey @ Jan 20 2011, 05:19 AM)
But its worked before? I know you are not protected with stealth but ive had them boot before,i sell alot so im always swpping drives etc.I know i have and others also,im sure they have????
You can not spoof a samsung drive to bypass ap2.5 protection. The new dashboard stores DVD Model ID's in the nand chip. Your box will attempt to read ap2.5 on a spoofed sammy drive because the nand thinks it has an AP2.5 enabled DVD drive. Ap2.5 protection is only disabled if the Xbox came stock with a sammy or early model hitachi DVD.
Post by: tarektaha on January 20, 2011, 06:44:00 AM
Since Ap2.5 was announced we knew for FACT that MS will be activating it for either new games or old games that had AP2.5 on them.
But looking where the scene is standing on those issues i think we have accomplished so much:
1. We have LT+ a firmware designed with AP2.5 in mind and protects you from MS recognizing its modified.
2. We have successfully patched 3 games that had AP2.5 and get them to work!
3. ABGX is now a powerful tool to supply SS3 and patch games.
Is the latest update just activating AP2.5 checks on older games (That had AP2.5 on them)? As usual the wait and see approach is the best thing, but it seems that this is the most logical step for MS to follow. then all the above steps should be more then enough to keep the scene going.
but my question is:
Can MS change the AP2.5 checks on the same game? I remember that subject being discussed before i am not sure what was the answer? as i was reading link posted in the forum and found "dash which does ap25 checking on the fly".
The word on the "fly" really caught my eyes.
And would that mean that the only way to Activate new AP2.5 checks would be through "Dashboard update"?
That would be also a pain for LIVE users to keep updating the dash more often then usual?
Post by: gamer76 on January 20, 2011, 06:52:00 AM
Post by: jasonvoak on January 20, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
007 bloodstone,medal of honor,007 quantum,godfather 2,
mafia 2,hitman blood money,bioshock 2,kan+lynch dog days
star wars force unleashed 2,aliens v preditor,fall out new vegas
splinter cell double agent and conviction,orange box,op flash point dragon rising
rainbow 6 vegas 2,ghost recon 2,red dead redemption,final fantasy 13
quantum therory,enslaved,fable 2 goty,castlevania,alpha protocal, vanquish
hawx 1 and 2 ,saw 1 and 2,batman ark asylam goty,dantes inferno,crackdown 2
naughty bear,prison break,sims 3,dead rising 2,velvet assassin,deadly premonition,
wrc,f1 2010,family game night 3,toy story 3,fifa 11 fifa 10,tiger woods 11,
red dead undead nightmare,tron,megamind,nailed,fable 3,apache air assult,gofic 4
gey matter,harry pottor deadly hallows,nba jam,assains creed b/hood,nfs hot pusuit
2 worlds 2,create,molopoly streets
can someone tell me what the difference is between lt + 1.0 and 1.1 and is there a way to find out what fw i have i got it flashed about 9 days after the first version was released thanks
Post by: phillyrider807 on January 20, 2011, 07:02:00 AM
I have LT1.1 not +. I have not installed the new live update yet as everytime i attempt to go on live it asks me to download it and i say no.
Black Ops and Halo Reach(backups) Both boot fine. I have a lite on. However i just checked my system in xval and it says "Failed AP25 challenge"
So my question is is it even worth it to update to LT+ at this point? Or should i just accept the update and rock out on live until my inevitable ban
Post by: Goddhand on January 20, 2011, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(lrod2344 @ Jan 19 2011, 11:19 PM)
Could anyone with an ounce of knowledge answer this?:
Suppose My console is connected to the internet.... wherether signed into Live or not.... and an AP25 Violation occurs .....even though my NAND is protected from recording the violation becuase Im running LT+ ... could the NEW Update have possibly enabled some kind of "on-the-fly" reporting of the violation to MS Servers when a connection is detected?
No. If it did that, it wouldn't be AP2.5
Post by: BrothaJay on January 20, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
PROBLEM SOLVED
Post by: tarektaha on January 20, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
I can't see how MS will keep updating the dashboard to include new games. Either will be too frequent or too apart!
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 20, 2011, 07:25:00 AM
QUOTE
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> morning
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> <aaaa> if it's ap 2.5 why isnt that just uploaded to the abgx repo?
[1:14pm] <bbbb> xxxx: heya there any news
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> becuase its not READY yet !
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> yes there is news coming
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> and its looking good atm
[1:15pm] <aaaa> great, thanks xxxx
[1:15pm] <ccc> xxxx is it going to be a patch for games
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> looks like it
[1:15pm] <ddddddd> xxxx, did you get the ap25 from the TU ?
[1:15pm] <ccc> great news
[1:16pm] <@xxxx> im back to logging - c4 will be doing all the magic in good time
[1:16pm] <@xxxx> anyone had issues with Fable 3 ?
[1:16pm] <eeeeeeeee> fable 3 boots fine
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> <aaaa> if it's ap 2.5 why isnt that just uploaded to the abgx repo?
[1:14pm] <bbbb> xxxx: heya there any news
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> becuase its not READY yet !
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> yes there is news coming
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> and its looking good atm
[1:15pm] <aaaa> great, thanks xxxx
[1:15pm] <ccc> xxxx is it going to be a patch for games
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> looks like it
[1:15pm] <ddddddd> xxxx, did you get the ap25 from the TU ?
[1:15pm] <ccc> great news
[1:16pm] <@xxxx> im back to logging - c4 will be doing all the magic in good time
[1:16pm] <@xxxx> anyone had issues with Fable 3 ?
[1:16pm] <eeeeeeeee> fable 3 boots fine
Post by: sirtumtum on January 20, 2011, 07:41:00 AM
QUOTE(BrothaJay @ Jan 21 2011, 12:11 AM)
I've found the Solution! USE AN UN MODDED CONSOLE + ORIGINALS ONLY FOR LIVE don't give me the BS Rhetoric, about keeping your originals "SAFE" GROW THE "F" Up and protect your disks period point blank, if your responsible enough to own a $200 Video Game Console then you should be intelligent enough to keep the damn originals from getting scratched, if you got young kids, get them a 2nd console for OFFLINE BACKUPS ONLY
PROBLEM SOLVED
HAHAHAHAAH i would have to say i love you sir!! best comment EVAR!!
Post by: cypher21 on January 20, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(sirtumtum @ Jan 20 2011, 02:41 PM)
HAHAHAHAAH i would have to say i love you sir!! best comment EVAR!!
Actually not, since those backups won't boot on offline consoles as well ...
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
QUOTE(cypher21 @ Jan 20 2011, 08:56 AM)
Actually not, since those backups won't boot on offline consoles as well ...
What do you not get. Offline means not updating the Dashboard unless you have to. Then you patch what ever games that need it.
Post by: snappshoota on January 20, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Twinsen @ Jan 20 2011, 01:11 AM)
More than likely since it can't run AP2.5 checks anyway. It's basically the safest drive at the moment, so it should still play all games after the update. Try it out and report back. Thanks!
I stopped at page 14, dunno if anyone else chimed in, But I have a samsung drive in my 2nd box, and all back ups work fine, COD BO, and MW2, And still have clean secdata.
So, so far samsung is the safest.
Post by: bigbaldyone on January 20, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Aldanga @ Jan 19 2011, 07:27 PM)
This is sort of correct. AP2.5 isn't stored on any disc, per se. What are on the discs are angles, given that retail discs are laser etched, and then values are calculated from these angles with a given algorithm. If the values satisfy the requirements, AP2.5 is passed. If they do not satisfy, AP2.5 checks fail. DVD-RL DLs are not laser etched, but rather dye that is modified by DVD burners. These do not have the same angles, and thus do not return the correct values. When the disc has the required values stored in an AP2.5 patch, the modified firmware takes these values and returns them to the system to satisfy the responses. When the responses are unknown (e.g., the patch isn't present or is incorrect), the checks fail and the game refuses to boot.
Ahhhh, smarty pants! But by far the best answer i have came accross so far, many thanks for that.
I was how come this AP2.5 can lay dormant on a disc for so long and survive so many rips and somehow not get copied onto a disc at some stage. so many thanks.
PS. how rude of me not to say hello to everyone when i join and post in a new forum, sorry my bad :-(
Post by: golteef on January 20, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(snappshoota @ Jan 20 2011, 04:18 PM)
I stopped at page 14, dunno if anyone else chimed in, But I have a samsung drive in my 2nd box, and all back ups work fine, COD BO, and MW2, And still have clean secdata.
So, so far samsung is the safest.
Don't forget the 1st gen hitachi's I have one of those and it's fine too. Boots all and no flags.
Post by: demOZZracy on January 20, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
I tried running the game on an xbox that has not been updated, and the game disk does still work.
So for me, I'd say Skate 3 has been AP2.5 enabled as well.
So maybe add that to your 'not working' list.
Post by: ca102455 on January 20, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
I wonder what will be the first retail disc to come with yesterdays dashboard update on it?
Post by: rahman2k6 on January 20, 2011, 09:12:00 AM
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> <aaaa> if it's ap 2.5 why isnt that just uploaded to the abgx repo?
[1:14pm] <bbbb> xxxx: heya there any news
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> becuase its not READY yet !
[1:14pm] <@xxxx> yes there is news coming
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> and its looking good atm
[1:15pm] <aaaa> great, thanks xxxx
[1:15pm] <ccc> xxxx is it going to be a patch for games
[1:15pm] <@xxxx> looks like it
[1:16pm] <@xxxx> im back to logging - c4 will be doing all the magic in good time
Looks like this should be sorted soon, be patient guys, its all in hand!
Post by: Goddhand on January 20, 2011, 09:16:00 AM
QUOTE(BrothaJay @ Jan 20 2011, 09:11 AM)
I've found the Solution! USE AN UN MODDED CONSOLE + ORIGINALS ONLY FOR LIVE don't give me the BS Rhetoric, about keeping your originals "SAFE" GROW THE "F" Up and protect your disks period point blank, if your responsible enough to own a $200 Video Game Console then you should be intelligent enough to keep the damn originals from getting scratched, if you got young kids, get them a 2nd console for OFFLINE BACKUPS ONLY
PROBLEM SOLVED
Yes! Only using unmodded consoles and originals is the safest solution! Also the most expensive! And the lamest!
QUOTE(golteef @ Jan 20 2011, 10:58 AM)
Don't forget the 1st gen hitachi's I have one of those and it's fine too. Boots all and no flags.
I second this.
Post by: SweatyBawls on January 20, 2011, 09:20:00 AM
<@k3rn3l> ok got all the dumps for BO, MW2, HR PAL and BO NTSC
<@k3rn3l> just doing NTSC MW2 and HR.....
so looks like AP2.5 SSv3 has been found for these, the patches will be on abgx360 soon enough I reckon.
for now just sit patiently and play your originals. if you dont want to risk a flag, don't update and play back ups.
Post by: WizardlyLou on January 20, 2011, 09:21:00 AM
My console is def not flagged, however, is anyone in a similar scenario that DID play black ops backup without updating that can confirm whether or not they were flagged? My guess is that if you didn't update to the latest dash update, the black ops backup should work and not get you flagged. Curious cause I thought I saw someone say they got flagged after, but Im suspicious that perhaps they were already flagged before and didnt realize it. Couldn't really comprehend that a xbox with old firmware and a lite on drive that didnt update would still get flagged despite it being offline.
Post by: davidmc8 on January 20, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: SweatyBawls on January 20, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(WizardlyLou @ Jan 20 2011, 05:21 PM)
I have Lt 1.1 or 1.2 and a Lite On Drive. Never updated to LT+ because I wasn't playing any of the known ap2.5 games. Didnt update to this latest dash update, but still havent played Black Ops.
My console is def not flagged, however, is anyone in a similar scenario that DID play black ops backup without updating that can confirm whether or not they were flagged? My guess is that if you didn't update to the latest dash update, the black ops backup should work and not get you flagged. Curious cause I thought I saw someone say they got flagged after, but Im suspicious that perhaps they were already flagged before and didnt realize it. Couldn't really comprehend that a xbox with old firmware and a lite on drive that didnt update would still get flagged despite it being offline.
I'm not an expert but after reading I think it's like this -
LT1.1 - Played AP2.5 patched games but did NOT protect you from a flag.
LT1.1+ - Plays AP2.5 patched games and DOES protect you from a flag (3 min rule on some drives).
If you have LT1.1 and get the newest update and play on the UNPATCHED 2.5 games you WILL be flagged.
If you have LT1.1+ and update, you will be protected but you will not be able to play these unpatched AP2.5 games.
If im wrong somebody correct me.
Post by: rahman2k6 on January 20, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(SweatyBawls @ Jan 20 2011, 04:25 PM)
I'm not an expert but after reading I think it's like this -
LT1.1 - Played AP2.5 patched games but did NOT protect you from a flag.
LT1.1+ - Plays AP2.5 patched games and DOES protect you from a flag (3 min rule on some drives).
If you have LT1.1 and get the newest update and play on the UNPATCHED 2.5 games you WILL be flagged.
If you have LT1.1+ and update, you will be protected but you will not be able to play these unpatched AP2.5 games.
If im wrong somebody correct me.
All correct, and teh 3 minute rule applies to Hitachi drivers only.
Post by: cypher21 on January 20, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Jan 20 2011, 03:10 PM)
What do you not get. Offline means not updating the Dashboard unless you have to. Then you patch what ever games that need it.
what do YOU not get?
newer games require dash update, by patching those ap25 games, they won't run either.
So IF you're gonna use an offline console, you can play older games fine, but not the newest...
Anyway useless discussion...
Post by: ozman911 on January 20, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
Post starts....
Rational / Semi Rational people state problem,,,
Rational / Semi Rational poeple post FACTS, etc to try and help solve problem.
Immature / Impatient people WANT A FIX
Paranoid / Crack Heads....ITS THE END!
Rational / Semi Rational people,,, No its not just hang on
Immature / Impatient people ,,,,, WANT A FIX
Paranoid / Crack Heads,,,, ITS THE END!!!
Rinse and repeat.....LOL
iPhone4 I want an iPhone4,,,,,,, Oh wait thats over with,,,,, Black Ops patch I want a Black Ops patch!
Oh my now Im joining the ranks of ranters.
Anyway,,,, My "theory" is the same as others,, I believe the ap2.5 checks that were currently on these games have now been "activated" and are being used. Though it seems there may be some additional stuff thrown in, I believe (person opion, NOT fact) that a game update would fix this problem. As far as getting flags for not having the LT+ firmware,,,,Well what did you think was going to happen? The LT+ was realeased for a reason.
Post by: rahman2k6 on January 20, 2011, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Hexx on January 20, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: ozman911 on January 20, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
QUOTE(rahman2k6 @ Jan 20 2011, 10:39 AM)
I think Microsoft privately owns Verbatim! LOL
Hahaha no joke,, I am dreading all the reburns,,, I know as of now it is just a handfull of games, but I have some family memebers with no burner.....
I actually changed my voicemail message last night to
"Yes I know there was a dashboard update, no do not do it. If you already have do not play these games, stay offline if possible and I will call you back."
Post by: AlkaliV2 on January 20, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Hexx @ Jan 20 2011, 05:41 PM)
Cool news. The scene was getting a bit boring anyway.
Winner for my favorite post in the last 18 pages. Seriously, it's two games. Used that's going to cost you what, $80? Half that if you just choose your favorite game. It's buy two get one free at Amazon.com and Best Buy right now...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=br_lf_m_1000652381_grlink_1?tag=cheapassgam08-20&ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000652381
Post by: tarektaha on January 20, 2011, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: stancartmanson on January 20, 2011, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(BrothaJay @ Jan 20 2011, 03:11 PM)
I've found the Solution! USE AN UN MODDED CONSOLE + ORIGINALS ONLY FOR LIVE don't give me the BS Rhetoric, about keeping your originals "SAFE" GROW THE "F" Up and protect your disks period point blank, if your responsible enough to own a $200 Video Game Console then you should be intelligent enough to keep the damn originals from getting scratched, if you got young kids, get them a 2nd console for OFFLINE BACKUPS ONLY
PROBLEM SOLVED
So people who only ever play on Live are SOL because it doesn't SUIT you? Hahaha holy crap.
Go tell c4eva your ideas and that he's an idiot for focusing on LIVE SAFE firmware.
Damn, what an a-hole.
Post by: wwfanatic on January 20, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
every current and future ap2.5 games for offline users
Post by: BoNg420 on January 20, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(tarektaha @ Jan 20 2011, 11:59 AM)
I have samsung drive not sure what firmware it got. Does it need to be a specific Frimware to be ok with Ap2.5 games?
Samsung should have iXtrme LT, there is no + yet, if they are even going to make one for it
All other models should be on LT+ to be safe for live. Some hitachis need LT+ like Hitachi 78/79, but there is LT+ for all models and its best to have that to be safe for xbox live.
Post by: tarektaha on January 20, 2011, 10:23:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jan 20 2011, 07:19 PM)
Samsung should have iXtrme LT, there is no + yet, if they are even going to make one for it
All other models should be on LT+ to be safe for live. Some hitachis need LT+ like Hitachi 78/79, but there is LT+ for all models and its best to have that to be safe for xbox live.
Thank you for your reply so a Sammy will not boot ap2.5 games without LT?
Post by: rahman2k6 on January 20, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ozman911 @ Jan 20 2011, 04:43 PM)
Hahaha no joke,, I am dreading all the reburns,,, I know as of now it is just a handfull of games, but I have some family memebers with no burner.....
I actually changed my voicemail message last night to
"Yes I know there was a dashboard update, no do not do it. If you already have do not play these games, stay offline if possible and I will call you back."
Loool I'm in exactly the same boat modded quite a few family members 360's but thank god, i've made them shit scared of updates and they never update untill they hear from me!
Post by: WizardlyLou on January 20, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(SweatyBawls @ Jan 20 2011, 11:25 AM)
I'm not an expert but after reading I think it's like this -
LT1.1 - Played AP2.5 patched games but did NOT protect you from a flag.
LT1.1+ - Plays AP2.5 patched games and DOES protect you from a flag (3 min rule on some drives).
If you have LT1.1 and get the newest update and play on the UNPATCHED 2.5 games you WILL be flagged.
If you have LT1.1+ and update, you will be protected but you will not be able to play these unpatched AP2.5 games.
If im wrong somebody correct me.
Ok, so basically, I should just stay away from Black Ops in general. Just to be clear I didnt update my xbox to this latest dash, and I unplugged it from the internets all together. Again, I'm NOT running LT+. I assumed that since I did that, Black Ops would play fine, and not register a failure in AP2.5 Challenge. But somehow I'm seeing information stating that even though I did not update, just having an old firmware will register a ap2.5 challenge failure in trying to play black ops. Is that correct? Anymore people with old firmwares that DIDNT update but played Black Ops that can confirm there console was flagged?
Post by: luchtgitaar on January 20, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: sini on January 20, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Btw I made the mistake of loading the disc and got flagged for AP2.5 (not banned yet)... but I think it's a dangerous tactic to ban people for 1 AP2.5 error. Even non-backups can have this error on scratched discs.
Post by: bhatiavk on January 20, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: SweatyBawls on January 20, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(WizardlyLou @ Jan 20 2011, 06:26 PM)
Ok, so basically, I should just stay away from Black Ops in general. Just to be clear I didnt update my xbox to this latest dash, and I unplugged it from the internets all together. Again, I'm NOT running LT+. I assumed that since I did that, Black Ops would play fine, and not register a failure in AP2.5 Challenge. But somehow I'm seeing information stating that even though I did not update, just having an old firmware will register a ap2.5 challenge failure in trying to play black ops. Is that correct? Anymore people with old firmwares that DIDNT update but played Black Ops that can confirm there console was flagged?
I've not updated to the latest dash, I have LT1.1+ and can play Blops fine without getting a flag. So I don't know what's happened with you sorry mate.
QUOTE(luchtgitaar @ Jan 20 2011, 06:28 PM)
How do you know if you're flagged? Are they bassicaly telling you that? Hard to believe.
Download XVAl from here -
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=696941
Then go onto your console, System Settings and put in the serial number and the X-blah-blah-blah-blah and click decrypt. This isn't 100% accurate due to the new update (i think) but it does help.
Post by: faze11 on January 20, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
I had no clue what was going on during the update, and when I rebooted it gave me the failed to read Halo Reach disc error. I proceeded to try it like 10 times, while signed in Live. I also checked a bunch of older games, which worked, and went back to Reach and tried it again. I gave MS plenty of time to throw a flag and ban me, but I signed on Halo 3 last night and was playing Live no problem. So I am assuming this new fix hasn't implemented any new flagging features just yet.
Post by: sini on January 20, 2011, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(faze11 @ Jan 20 2011, 05:39 PM)
A bit of hope for anyone who's not sure if they are banned-
I had no clue what was going on during the update, and when I rebooted it gave me the failed to read Halo Reach disc error. I proceeded to try it like 10 times, while signed in Live. I also checked a bunch of older games, which worked, and went back to Reach and tried it again. I gave MS plenty of time to throw a flag and ban me, but I signed on Halo 3 last night and was playing Live no problem. So I am assuming this new fix hasn't implemented any new flagging features just yet.
Not being banned from live doesn't mean you're not flagged. Use xval.
Post by: Remmnever on January 20, 2011, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(faze11 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:39 AM)
A bit of hope for anyone who's not sure if they are banned-
I had no clue what was going on during the update, and when I rebooted it gave me the failed to read Halo Reach disc error. I proceeded to try it like 10 times, while signed in Live. I also checked a bunch of older games, which worked, and went back to Reach and tried it again. I gave MS plenty of time to throw a flag and ban me, but I signed on Halo 3 last night and was playing Live no problem. So I am assuming this new fix hasn't implemented any new flagging features just yet.
Did you check secdata with xval? You may not be banned yet but you are probably flagged for a ban.
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 20, 2011, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE
[3:13pm] <@kkkkk> ok got all the dumps for BO, MW2, HR PAL and BO NTSC
[3:13pm] <@kkkkk> just doing NTSC MW2 and HR.....
[3:16pm] <mmmmmm> hey kkkkk: Thanks for diligently doing all this crap for us.
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> <JJJJJJJ> Hey, sorry to tell you guys but still there are reports from friends saying that their originals dont boot anymoore, theres not a scratch on them.
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> yes lots of reports of that
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> on MS forums
[3:17pm] <@kkkkk> mmmmmm hey dont thank me - im just a c4 minion lol
[3:17pm] <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: that's happening on slims
[3:20pm] <@kkkkk> <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: that's happening on slims
[3:20pm] <@kkkkk> yes im not surprised
[3:21pm] <JJJJJJJ> whats happening on slims?
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> open disc errors
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> retails being blocked JJJJJJJ
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> on originals
[3:21pm] <LLLL> and why on slims is what gets me
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> cus they have more hardcore protection
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> m$ has some failcode going on
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> fo sho
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> harder osig etc
[3:22pm] <LLLL> oh alright, but still, shouldnt orig pass them all anyway
[3:22pm] <@kkkkk> you'd think
[3:22pm] <@kkkkk> lol
[4:03pm] <xxxxxx> samsung drives are considerd safe for now with no ap25 checks
[4:03pm] <xxxxxx> ssv3 is being worked on currently
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> halo Reach NTSC done
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> 1 more to go....MW2 NTSC
[4:04pm] <xxxxxx> kkkkk your the shit
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> Black Ops pal and ntsc done
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> no releases yet
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> testing
[4:05pm] <TTTTTTTTT> kkkkk, done already lol, you said it was a hard protection
[4:05pm] <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: you're doing NFSHP?
[4:05pm] <@kkkkk> yes but instead of it being on the discs its in the kernel now
[4:05pm] <MMMMMM> so juss gotta do dash update nd update the games to 2.5 ?
[4:05pm] <@kkkkk> NFS doesnt need re-doing it still works
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> anyway - no eta on release. still working and testing. gotta wait for c4 to do some magic
[4:06pm] <FFF> c4 to do magic??? does that mean new FW?
[4:06pm] <MMMMMM> dammmmmmmmn new FW that means :-\
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> we're dumping the kernel and looking for the changes
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> MMMMMM dont talk shite
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> no one mentioned new fw
[4:07pm] <MMMMMM> oh ight
[4:07pm] <@kkkkk> and even if there was - so what ? it takes 30 seconds to write.
[4:14pm] <@kkkkk> ok MW2 NTSC.........
[3:13pm] <@kkkkk> just doing NTSC MW2 and HR.....
[3:16pm] <mmmmmm> hey kkkkk: Thanks for diligently doing all this crap for us.
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> <JJJJJJJ> Hey, sorry to tell you guys but still there are reports from friends saying that their originals dont boot anymoore, theres not a scratch on them.
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> yes lots of reports of that
[3:16pm] <@kkkkk> on MS forums
[3:17pm] <@kkkkk> mmmmmm hey dont thank me - im just a c4 minion lol
[3:17pm] <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: that's happening on slims
[3:20pm] <@kkkkk> <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: that's happening on slims
[3:20pm] <@kkkkk> yes im not surprised
[3:21pm] <JJJJJJJ> whats happening on slims?
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> open disc errors
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> retails being blocked JJJJJJJ
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> on originals
[3:21pm] <LLLL> and why on slims is what gets me
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> cus they have more hardcore protection
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> m$ has some failcode going on
[3:21pm] <@bbbbbb> fo sho
[3:21pm] <@kkkkk> harder osig etc
[3:22pm] <LLLL> oh alright, but still, shouldnt orig pass them all anyway
[3:22pm] <@kkkkk> you'd think
[3:22pm] <@kkkkk> lol
[4:03pm] <xxxxxx> samsung drives are considerd safe for now with no ap25 checks
[4:03pm] <xxxxxx> ssv3 is being worked on currently
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> halo Reach NTSC done
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> 1 more to go....MW2 NTSC
[4:04pm] <xxxxxx> kkkkk your the shit
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> Black Ops pal and ntsc done
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> no releases yet
[4:04pm] <@kkkkk> testing
[4:05pm] <TTTTTTTTT> kkkkk, done already lol, you said it was a hard protection
[4:05pm] <SSSSSSS> kkkkk: you're doing NFSHP?
[4:05pm] <@kkkkk> yes but instead of it being on the discs its in the kernel now
[4:05pm] <MMMMMM> so juss gotta do dash update nd update the games to 2.5 ?
[4:05pm] <@kkkkk> NFS doesnt need re-doing it still works
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> anyway - no eta on release. still working and testing. gotta wait for c4 to do some magic
[4:06pm] <FFF> c4 to do magic??? does that mean new FW?
[4:06pm] <MMMMMM> dammmmmmmmn new FW that means :-\
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> we're dumping the kernel and looking for the changes
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> MMMMMM dont talk shite
[4:06pm] <@kkkkk> no one mentioned new fw
[4:07pm] <MMMMMM> oh ight
[4:07pm] <@kkkkk> and even if there was - so what ? it takes 30 seconds to write.
[4:14pm] <@kkkkk> ok MW2 NTSC.........
QUOTE
[4:48pm] <@kkkkk> LATEST NEWS http://bit.ly/hTUgxW
[4:48pm] <@kkkkk> that should answer all questions
[4:48pm] <@kkkkk> any other questions will be deemd as dumb
[4:48pm] <@kkkkk> that should answer all questions
[4:48pm] <@kkkkk> any other questions will be deemd as dumb
Post by: stevedawg85 on January 20, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(sini @ Jan 20 2011, 12:30 PM)
Good news that the fix will probably not involve a reflash.
Btw I made the mistake of loading the disc and got flagged for AP2.5 (not banned yet)... but I think it's a dangerous tactic to ban people for 1 AP2.5 error. Even non-backups can have this error on scratched discs.
Seriously? I sure hope so, cuz I made the mistake of booting up Ass Creed brohood w/ out LT+....
Anyways, I haven't updated yet, waiting to hear more news.
I really hope this is how M$ handles future "ban waves," When they ban ppl, they lose $ on potential DLC / xbox live content. So I don't blame them for doing this, just gotta wait for C4E to take care of business
Post by: WizardlyLou on January 20, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
QUOTE(SweatyBawls @ Jan 20 2011, 12:37 PM)
I've not updated to the latest dash, I have LT1.1+ and can play Blops fine without getting a flag. So I don't know what's happened with you sorry mate.
Download XVAl from here -
I have LT 1.1 or 1.2. I dont have LT+. I would assume you'd be safe anyway. However since I dont have any version of LT+, I unplugged my console from the network to avoid any chance of me accidentally updating. However ,I've read a few posts that would indicate that not updating to the new dash with LT 1.1 or LT 1.2 would still give a ap 2.5 flag trying to play black ops. In other words, Black Ops would still work fine, but would cause xval to show that the console has been flagged. I was under the assumption that by NOT updating, it would not activate any supposed ap 2.5 security on the disc, and thus would still be safe to play on a console using LT 1.1/1.2 firmware offline without causing a ap 2.5 flag. Again, I dont have any version of LT+...
Post by: BoNg420 on January 20, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(tarektaha @ Jan 20 2011, 12:23 PM)
Thank you for your reply so a Sammy will not boot ap2.5 games without LT?
it might, but not live safe.
Post by: BoNg420 on January 20, 2011, 11:58:00 AM
http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60436
Post by: Obveron on January 20, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Obviously there are people who know how to extract SSv3 from scratch, but the method isn't public.
The new 0800 FW is supposed to give us a method but there's rumour it won't be released. but people are making SSv3 right now somehow and putting them on ABGX.
The people who have this secret info on how to rip SSv3 will need to go through all the old games, extract SSv3 and upload to the ABGX database, since it's only a matter of time for other old games to get the AP2.5 treatment. there work would be made easier if SSv3 extraction was made public.
I'm sure there is a reason it's not public, don't want to reveal our cards to MS.
Post by: jedimaniac on January 20, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Edit:
I beleive the reason for the ssv3 exploit not going public is because there is only one known vulnerability and if it went public M$ could patch it and possibly render a FW hack useless
Post by: BoNg420 on January 20, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Jan 20 2011, 02:12 PM)
What we need is a way to rip SSv3 ourselves. I find it odd that we are told to patch with ABGX, and are not given a method to rip a game from scratch ourselves.
Obviously there are people who know how to extract SSv3 from scratch, but the method isn't public.
The new 0800 FW is supposed to give us a method but there's rumour it won't be released. but people are making SSv3 right now somehow and putting them on ABGX.
The people who have this secret info on how to rip SSv3 will need to go through all the old games, extract SSv3 and upload to the ABGX database, since it's only a matter of time for other old games to get the AP2.5 treatment. there work would be made easier if SSv3 extraction was made public.
I'm sure there is a reason it's not public, don't want to reveal our cards to MS.
1. It might be to difficult for common people? Maybe they are trying to make it simpler.
2. They are hiding methods like you said to prevent patching.
QUOTE(jedimaniac @ Jan 20 2011, 02:12 PM)
Its good news that a fix is on the way but there is something bugging me. why would M$ goto the trouble of enabling non ap2.5 titles when the solution is something as simple as re-burning a dvd? Whilst I hope im wrong, I do wonder if they may have been testing the water to see the response with the possibility of bigger plans ahead.
Edit:
I beleive the reason for the ssv3 exploit not going public is because there is only one known vulnerability and if it went public M$ could patch it and possibly render a FW hack useless
They did this for this reason. Many people out there do not mod their own xbox. Many don't even read these type of forums. They are not on the "in crowd" so they don't know whats going on in this world. They still have outdated firmwares and such. They have not got their system's firmware updated so when they try to boot these games they will get flagged and then banned. Simple as that. There are even people in the scene who just don't care and don't look up stuff before they recklessly update their dashboard without seeing if there's new protections.
Post by: Unimatrix47 on January 20, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on January 20, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Unimatrix47 @ Jan 20 2011, 02:37 PM)
How can I find out what kind of LT firmware I am running? Also is there a way to find out what type of DVD drive I have without opening the console up?
Google XBOX 360 Drive tray comparison to find pics
Has your firmware been updated in the past 2 months? If not then you are probably not running LT+
Post by: evil-dereck on January 20, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: f575gtc on January 20, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
I ran the update with the original copy of forza 3 in the drive, have not popped in any backup of any other game yet, I hope I am safe
Post by: astr4twin on January 20, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
QUOTE(demOZZracy @ Jan 20 2011, 06:01 PM)
I dont know if anyone would like to confirm this, but my Skate3 did a game update yesterday and is now also giving the 'unreadable disk' error. It does however not show the black screen, just that message.
I tried running the game on an xbox that has not been updated, and the game disk does still work.
So for me, I'd say Skate 3 has been AP2.5 enabled as well.
So maybe add that to your 'not working' list.
Just ran Skate 3 on one of my updated 360's LiteOn LT+, accepted the title update went on live and plays fine.
Rebooted console and still play's fine, so no dont know why your console isnt playing Skate 3, certainly no AP2.5 mate.
Post by: demOZZracy on January 20, 2011, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(SweatyBawls @ Jan 20 2011, 06:20 PM)
update:
<@k3rn3l> ok got all the dumps for BO, MW2, HR PAL and BO NTSC
<@k3rn3l> just doing NTSC MW2 and HR.....
so looks like AP2.5 SSv3 has been found for these, the patches will be on abgx360 soon enough I reckon.
for now just sit patiently and play your originals. if you dont want to risk a flag, don't update and play back ups.
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 20 2011, 10:04 PM)
Just ran Skate 3 on one of my updated 360's LiteOn LT+, accepted the title update went on live and plays fine.
Rebooted console and still play's fine, so no dont know why your console isnt playing Skate 3, certainly no AP2.5 mate.
Weird :-/
Do you have PAL/NTSC/RF? Though I doubt that it will make any difference, I believe I have PAL (Might also be RF though)
Post by: hydroxycut3 on January 20, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
So nice not to have to deal with this bullshit
Post by: astr4twin on January 20, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(demOZZracy @ Jan 20 2011, 10:46 PM)
Weird :-/
Do you have PAL/NTSC/RF? Though I doubt that it will make any difference, I believe I have PAL (Might also be RF though)
Region Free running on a PAL console
Post by: Karun46 on January 20, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(HyperUK @ Jan 21 2011, 01:19 PM)
Yes you are good to go my friend!
Cheers mate, appreciate the quick response
Post by: faze11 on January 20, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Remmnever @ Jan 20 2011, 12:43 PM)
Did you check secdata with xval? You may not be banned yet but you are probably flagged for a ban.
Thanks for the tip. I just checked and xval returned "Failed AP25 Challenge"
I guess I can stop tracking this thread
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Justinsane82 on January 20, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Sneaky360 on January 20, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Is there any confirmation that it was just only ap2.5 checks that were activated and is Live safe again ?
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 20 2011, 08:34 PM)
I'm surprised people were playing on live with LT, especially because we all knew about ap2.5 and that LT+ was safest firmware for live.
I'm on LT and i'm clean and I have not booted the games. I always decline updates and come here and a few other places before I do anything. I have been playing AP2.5 need for speed and Assassins Creed BO and I have not had any issues. So these will run on LT as well. Will upgrade to LT+ next week.
Post by: honda4eternity on January 20, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: Xaeonis on January 20, 2011, 08:19:00 PM
Ive read through the thread and been monitoring it since yesterday when the update dropped. I have LT+ on my liteon drive, and my xval is clean despite trying to boot to a backup.
So, with that being said. Im trying to boot COD:MW2 and I just patched it through ABGX and everything came back clean, so I burned it. However, its still not booting. Black screen, had to pull power, prevent logging, etc.
Where do I go for the manual patches (if they are working) and how do I get there? Xbins? Or is there a specific irc channel I need to go to?
Just looking for a tad bit of help, not looking to get flammed here.
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(honda4eternity @ Jan 20 2011, 09:16 PM)
I wish "the scene" would differentiate the ap2.5 info with a ssv2.5. It is obtained in a different, unknown manner afterall.
I'm starting to think some of the ssv stuff does not matter. I think its all about ap2.5 now
Post by: Justinsane82 on January 20, 2011, 08:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Xaeonis @ Jan 20 2011, 07:19 PM)
Okay guys, question.
Ive read through the thread and been monitoring it since yesterday when the update dropped. I have LT+ on my liteon drive, and my xval is clean despite trying to boot to a backup.
So, with that being said. Im trying to boot COD:MW2 and I just patched it through ABGX and everything came back clean, so I burned it. However, its still not booting. Black screen, had to pull power, prevent logging, etc.
Where do I go for the manual patches (if they are working) and how do I get there? Xbins? Or is there a specific irc channel I need to go to?
Just looking for a tad bit of help, not looking to get flammed here.
Check ur pm
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Xaeonis on January 20, 2011, 08:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Justinsane82 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:30 PM)
Check ur pm
Just saw. Thank you sir.
Will test and try out.
QUOTE
so should they be manually patched? Because everything passes in agbx
For me, ABGX came up with all green, and even tested the disk after the burn, but its not booting, so Im guessing a manual patch may be necessary here. Least until abgx comes up with the right info? Maybe Im doing something wrong, never claimed to be smart
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Justinsane82 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:43 PM)
Abgx should have all you need. Which version are you using? Not sure if that matters or not but I don't get why it wouldn't pull the files you need.
Black op's ap 2.5 files are in the database. I assume the rest are too. Check the previous pages posts for confirmation. I was able to pull the ap 2.5 files off and I'm burning now
You just update through agbx? Let me know if it works because I did that as well but I'm out of disc.
Post by: DJRayge on January 20, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Justinsane82 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:55 PM)
Yes they have. I can take a screen shot if you like. There is a section that outlines that it's downloading the ap2.5 files
Once again, YES, the files are downloading into the abgx system. YES, you can find them on abgx, but NO, you cannot just simply run your iso through abgx program to patch the ap 2.5 files yet. It hasn't uploaded to the program yet. I just tried this again and same effect. I have countless messages from other people having same problem. Just to avoid the headache and frustration for some of you guys, just manually patch them. Don't waste disks. It may be working for one or two of you but for those that are not able to do this through abgx, just manual patch. Not trying to argue or anything, just offering solutions. WHEW! lol
Post by: NineOneSicks on January 20, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
EDIT: it's MW2
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 09:38:00 PM
To all those people claiming that it is not on ABGX the pal version definitely is because I just patched the iso through it and successfully tested it.
Post by: devilstrider on January 20, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 20 2011, 10:38 PM)
Black ops worked fine through AGBX for me and is now booting on my son's console, I have an australian pal 360 so unless there is possibly a problem with the NTSC patch it doesnt make sense why it's working for some people and not others.
To all those people claiming that it is not on ABGX the pal version definitely is because I just patched the iso through it and successfully tested it.
All three are on there now.
Post by: Justinsane82 on January 20, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 20 2011, 08:38 PM)
Black ops worked fine through AGBX for me and is now booting on my son's console, I have an australian pal 360 so unless there is possibly a problem with the NTSC patch it doesnt make sense why it's working for some people and not others.
To all those people claiming that it is not on ABGX the pal version definitely is because I just patched the iso through it and successfully tested it.
To be blunt, the people it's not working for are doing something wrong. It wasn't pulling for me until I set up ABGX properly through the help of a youtube video.
Post by: Karun46 on January 20, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Jan 21 2011, 03:38 PM)
Black ops worked fine through AGBX for me and is now booting on my son's console, I have an australian pal 360 so unless there is possibly a problem with the NTSC patch it doesnt make sense why it's working for some people and not others.
To all those people claiming that it is not on ABGX the pal version definitely is because I just patched the iso through it and successfully tested it.
I can confirm too, the COD BO - PAL is working fine after I ran it through ABGX..I have LT+ and my ABGX is up tp date..
Post by: Twinsen on January 20, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Jan 21 2011, 04:19 AM)
I'm starting to think some of the ssv stuff does not matter. I think its all about ap2.5 now
It doesn't matter, SSv is over rated. I've never patched any of my games up until the AP2.5 came around and I've never had myself or any of my people banned aside from the wave of last year, and it was only 20% of them, if that.
Post by: Weirdjerz3y on January 20, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Karun46 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:42 PM)
@ Weirdjerz3y
Sorry mate, won't do again but I am sick of ppl like him who just pick others for no reason...especiialy from ppl who dont even know how to configure abgx properly... Sorry again
Well you dont have to say sorry me too me, im trying to help keep you guys out of trouble. And theres people like that all the time, nothing to do about it.
Post by: Justinsane82 on January 20, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Weirdjerz3y @ Jan 20 2011, 08:50 PM)
Well you dont have to say sorry me too me, im trying to help keep you guys out of trouble. And theres people like that all the time, nothing to do about it.
People like that lol....
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Twinsen @ Jan 21 2011, 05:48 AM)
It doesn't matter, SSv is over rated. I've never patched any of my games up until the AP2.5 came around and I've never had myself or any of my people banned aside from the wave of last year, and it was only 20% of them, if that.
I tend to agree, the last ban wave was due to microsoft being able to identify the firmware on the consoles rather than it being the discs themselves it seems the only one that are banned for discs are the ones that are were playing early versions of games.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on January 20, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(DJRayge @ Jan 21 2011, 05:02 AM)
Once again, YES, the files are downloading into the abgx system. YES, you can find them on abgx, but NO, you cannot just simply run your iso through abgx program to patch the ap 2.5 files yet.
I don't know what your talking about...i just re-burned halo reach and it works fine after i ran the iso through abgx. It was patched automatically by abgx. Make you sure have the latest version and don't forget to set abgx to level 3 so it can automatically patch it for you. Simple.
Post by: toddgei on January 20, 2011, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: Artlover on January 21, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
QUOTE(DJRayge @ Jan 20 2011, 11:02 PM)
Once again, YES, the files are downloading into the abgx system. YES, you can find them on abgx, but NO, you cannot just simply run your iso through abgx program to patch the ap 2.5 files yet.
Yes, you can. Since v1.0.4 from last year (tho admittedly 1.0.4 had a bug, and you should be using 1.0.5 which is also from last year).QUOTE(DJRayge @ Jan 20 2011, 11:02 PM)
but for those that are not able to do this through abgx
They aren't doing it right and need to shut up, quit pissing & moaning about shit they obviously don't understand and learn how to read a doc or forum on it. Thou, given that it's quite easy to figure out all by ones' self just from looking at the options, I kinda doubt reading any one of the numerous online guides would help much anyways. But honestly, I'm being too hard here I think. Really, we should be praising these people. It's amazing they can even breath, tie their shoes, or get logged on to web forums to complain with their apparently severe amounts of brain damage and retardation.Anywho, user error is the users own damn fault, not the program. So kindly stop defaming and spewing BS about it.
Post by: keijers on January 21, 2011, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 21, 2011, 04:48:00 AM
QUOTE(keijers @ Jan 21 2011, 11:39 AM)
After patching, do I need to reinstall the game to the HDD? Or can I leave the old one installed?
ap25 is all about the disc, so your installs are fine, no need to reinstall.
Post by: dirty8 on January 21, 2011, 05:10:00 AM
I'm going to put my other drive back in my console and see if it will still work.
Post by: keijers on January 21, 2011, 05:31:00 AM
QUOTE(bengalsimon @ Jan 21 2011, 01:03 PM)
So what is the cionclusion? How did you manage to boot Black ops on the new dashboard?
By patching with abgx360? How?
Just run your iso through abgx360, that's all.
You can also run your DVD through abgx360 and you see the error that needs to be fixed
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 21, 2011, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: denyer on January 21, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: dirty8 on January 21, 2011, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(old_soul @ Jan 21 2011, 02:21 PM)
In case you didn't know, you cannot spoof to samsung and boot ap2.5 games on new dashboard.
Ah OK thanks. I didn't know that. I will put the old drive back in then.
Post by: ace2000 on January 21, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: Big Rock Show on January 21, 2011, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(DJRayge @ Jan 21 2011, 05:02 AM)
Once again, YES, the files are downloading into the abgx system. YES, you can find them on abgx, but NO, you cannot just simply run your iso through abgx program to patch the ap 2.5 files yet. It hasn't uploaded to the program yet. I just tried this again and same effect. I have countless messages from other people having same problem. Just to avoid the headache and frustration for some of you guys, just manually patch them. Don't waste disks. It may be working for one or two of you but for those that are not able to do this through abgx, just manual patch. Not trying to argue or anything, just offering solutions. WHEW! lol
Patched BO through ABGX, burned in Imageburn and booted on LT+ no issues. So YES you can just simply run your iso through abgx and patch ap 2.5.
Post by: ace2000 on January 21, 2011, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: Aldanga on January 21, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 21, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
The original plays just fine, but I have 3 little kids.... so I prefer playing the backups. Any thoughts or opinions.... after reading the last couple of pages, I was under the impression this was working now? thx
Post by: weelad on January 21, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
"Everything is tested and good to go. Make sure you have LT+ v1.1 and you can update safely and play
AP2.5 Data both PAL and NTSC have been extracted (thanks to c4 and k3)
There will be no need for a firmware update
This is an AP2.5 Update so naturally this does not affect non AP2.5 DVD drives (Early Hitachi & Samsung)"
all from team xecuter
Post by: keno2000_uk on January 21, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: cjsmokalot on January 21, 2011, 11:44:00 AM
Checked xval and secdata is still clean
This post has been edited by cjsmokalot: Jan 21 2011, 07:45 PM
Post by: nickyrip on January 21, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Jan 19 2011, 12:14 PM)
I just logged on to live (19/01/2011) and got hit with a large update MajorNelson says it's so u can boot game on startup but it seems too big to be just that, they say there's an update to look of game cards. I smell somthing fishy here as it seems to be taking far too long to download, restart then download again (25 MINS SO FAR! @ 2.5mbs)
Changing game booting seems a good cover for them to drop in new FW checks FWcert.bin anyone>?
What do y'all think???
i have just run games through latest abgx360 it added ap25 patches. burn and the games work fine again hope this will save you guys some time
Post by: astr4twin on January 21, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr.kakarot @ Jan 21 2011, 07:24 PM)
I have the latest firmware, grabbed a new iso, ran abg360, level 3, did all the things it does... burned image and it says unrecognizable disc....
The original plays just fine, but I have 3 little kids.... so I prefer playing the backups. Any thoughts or opinions.... after reading the last couple of pages, I was under the impression this was working now? thx
Make sure you're using abgx v1.05
Before you burn your image make sure " AP25 replay sector is currently verified" show's up in green.
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 21, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 21 2011, 08:13 PM)
Make sure you're using abgx v1.05
Before you burn your image make sure " AP25 replay sector is currently verified" show's up in green.
hey man, I never patched or done this before.... so yes, it is newly installed 1.05... what is all this lt+ 1.1 talk? I have no idea what that means, hahahaha... I will also double check that just now, but I did see a lot of blue and green
So I just point to the iso, and hit launch right? is there anything I am missing? I will run abg now
Also, is it "fixing" the iso I point to... or do I have to do something from abg, does it create another one etc? Might just be user error because it is my first time? thx again
This post has been edited by Mr.kakarot: Jan 21 2011, 08:39 PM
Post by: canisay on January 21, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr.kakarot @ Jan 21 2011, 11:37 AM)
hey man, I never patched or done this before.... so yes, it is newly installed 1.05... what is all this lt+ 1.1 talk? I have no idea what that means, hahahaha... I will also double check that just now, but I did see a lot of blue and green
So I just point to the iso, and hit launch right? is there anything I am missing? I will run abg now
Also, is it "fixing" the iso I point to... or do I have to do something from abg, does it create another one etc? Might just be user error because it is my first time? thx again
LT+ would be the version of the modded firmware for your disk drive. I believe that support for AP2.5 enabled games was added in LT+ and you may be running an older version that does not support AP2.5. (Your're not the Kakaroto that did PSFreedom are you?)
Post by: astr4twin on January 21, 2011, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Mr.kakarot @ Jan 21 2011, 09:37 PM)
hey man, I never patched or done this before.... so yes, it is newly installed 1.05... what is all this lt+ 1.1 talk? I have no idea what that means, hahahaha... I will also double check that just now, but I did see a lot of blue and green
So I just point to the iso, and hit launch right? is there anything I am missing? I will run abg now
Also, is it "fixing" the iso I point to... or do I have to do something from abg, does it create another one etc? Might just be user error because it is my first time? thx again
LT+ & LT+1.1 are the latest and safest firmwares for your drive. They protect you for three minutes if your console challenges a disc in your drive looking for AP2.5 and prevents your console being flagged for a ban.
If your not currently using this you really should consider updating to it as it is required to play games needing AP2.5, Samsung drives and some Hitachis do not need this.
If your using abgx v1.05, in options make sure check/create .dvd file - check stealth - Verify if stealth passes - check for AnyDVD style game data corruption - Check for updates and Check game partition CRC are all ticked.
In Autofix tab check all boxes are ticked & set Autofix Threshold to level 3
All other option can be left if you wish, click file and save settings as default.
Now all you need to do is click 'Open Files' point to the location of your ISO image and hit launch.
The first time you do this the AP25 replay sector should show up in red and then some blue text should show up showing its downloading the files.
Run it through again and so long as everything shows green you are ready to burn your game.
Edit: Yes it is fixing the ISO file you point to so just open imgburn point to the same location and you should see two files. .dvd and ISO. Click the .dvd file to open it in imgburn and hit Write.
This post has been edited by astr4twin: Jan 21 2011, 09:54 PM
Post by: 8bittragedy on January 21, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: neonlights on January 21, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
QUOTE(canisay @ Jan 21 2011, 02:09 PM)
Don't you need LT+ for AP2.5 games?
Yes, I stated I have LT 1.0
Post by: neildmd on January 21, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(neonlights @ Jan 21 2011, 04:20 PM)
Yes, I stated I have LT 1.0
You should have LT+ v1.1 on your Lite-On drive. Maybe the AP2.5 verification code is flawed in v1.0?
Post by: canisay on January 21, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(neonlights @ Jan 21 2011, 12:20 PM)
Yes, I stated I have LT 1.0
My bad, I guess I am just a little confused. I thought the original release of LiteTouch was known as LT and the updated version with AP 2.5 support was LT+. No sure why I thought that
Post by: neonlights on January 21, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(canisay @ Jan 21 2011, 02:32 PM)
My bad, I guess I am just a little confused. I thought the original release of LiteTouch was known as LT and the updated version with AP 2.5 support was LT+. No sure why I thought that
That may be the case...I just checked xval 2.0 and it says "Failed AP25 Challenge". I know I installed LT firmware (not sure if its LT+ or not) but I think I left my console on for more than 3 minutes after the unreadable disk error....I guess Ill be banned soon?
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 21, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(astr4twin @ Jan 21 2011, 08:58 PM)
LT+ & LT+1.1 are the latest and safest firmwares for your drive. They protect you for three minutes if your console challenges a disc in your drive looking for AP2.5 and prevents your console being flagged for a ban.
If your not currently using this you really should consider updating to it as it is required to play games needing AP2.5, Samsung drives and some Hitachis do not need this.
If your using abgx v1.05, in options make sure check/create .dvd file - check stealth - Verify if stealth passes - check for AnyDVD style game data corruption - Check for updates and Check game partition CRC are all ticked.
In Autofix tab check all boxes are ticked & set Autofix Threshold to level 3
All other option can be left if you wish, click file and save settings as default.
Now all you need to do is click 'Open Files' point to the location of your ISO image and hit launch.
The first time you do this the AP25 replay sector should show up in red and then some blue text should show up showing its downloading the files.
Run it through again and so long as everything shows green you are ready to burn your game.
Edit: Yes it is fixing the ISO file you point to so just open imgburn point to the same location and you should see two files. .dvd and ISO. Click the .dvd file to open it in imgburn and hit Write.
thx, I appreciate all the advice.... I just modded it recently, that launched a new firmware already? Also, is there an "easy" way to pull the iso from my original disc and then run abg?
Post by: astr4twin on January 21, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(neonlights @ Jan 21 2011, 10:37 PM)
That may be the case...I just checked xval 2.0 and it says "Failed AP25 Challenge". I know I installed LT firmware (not sure if its LT+ or not) but I think I left my console on for more than 3 minutes after the unreadable disk error....I guess Ill be banned soon?
If you had LT+ or LT+1.1 on your drive you would not have got the disc unreadable error. It would have booted and froze on a black screen. Within this time (3 minutes) you would have needed to turn off your console to be safe from a flag. All this points to you having LT out of the three. I wouldnt worry too much about the flag, just make the most of Xbox live while you have it, they may not start banning again.
QUOTE(8bittragedy @ Jan 21 2011, 10:14 PM)
Once you have been flagged is there any reason to bother patching SSV2 any longer? I realize this is all speculation and only Microsoft knows when and why they ban someone. Does anyone have any informed opinions?
If i was you i would run any future games through abgx and make sure they all verify, you never know if your console will die and if you ever get a replacement, that would mean re-burning all those games again to be as safe as possible on live.
Post by: BoNg420 on January 21, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(cjsmokalot @ Jan 21 2011, 01:44 PM)
OK now my original copy of BO is not working getting unrecognized disc error, not sure what the problem is any1 else having trouble loading the original?
Checked xval and secdata is still clean
Did you ever change drives in your console?
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 21, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(sidneysides @ Jan 20 2011, 04:40 PM)
I can't believe some people are knowingly still on LT not LT+ and complain about getting flagged.....
Anyway, I'm on LT+ 1.0 with my Lite-on. Is it worth updating to LT+ 1.1 or were they small performance fixes rather than security ones?
Will apply 1.1 if it makes a difference to the current situation
I never complained and really didn't see anyone else. I knew what I was on and the reason I never did was because I wasn't playing any with 2.5. I figured there would be something up but tried any way to confirm the ap2.5 activation. Tax time is right here and I will just buy a new one till the other gets banned. I honestly don't care if I am flagged to be honest.
This post has been edited by 2fast4u88: Jan 21 2011, 10:17 PM
Post by: PredatorFXX on January 21, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
This implies that all games (besides those 6) released after FIFA 09 are safe to play online, without having the AP2.5 sector on it? For example: are FIFA 11, Red Dead Redemption and Fallout: New Vegas safe to play online with LT+1.1 when these games are approved by abgx?
Cheers.
Post by: canisay on January 21, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 21 2011, 01:16 PM)
I never complained and really didn't see anyone else. I knew what I was on and the reason I never did was because I wasn't playing any with 2.5. I figured there would be something up but tried any way to confirm the ap2.5 activation. Tax time is right here and I will just buy a new one till the other gets banned. I honestly don't care if I am flagged to be honest.
To me, this is exactly who MS is going after with this update. The people that are still using old firmware because either:
A. They are a casual user, had someone else mod their drive for them and have no idea about firmware update, security sectors, etc
or
B. They are more knowledgable modders that never updated because they weren't interested in the AP2.5 games. I am sure there are a ton of people that only play Reach, MW2 or BO and never play anything else. Why update if your game of choice works fine with out an updated firmware
Post by: weelad on January 21, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(canisay @ Jan 21 2011, 09:30 PM)
To me, this is exactly who MS is going after with this update. The people that are still using old firmware because either:
A. They are a casual user, had someone else mod their drive for them and have no idea about firmware update, security sectors, etc
or
B. They are more knowledgable modders that never updated because they weren't interested in the AP2.5 games. I am sure there are a ton of people that only play Reach, MW2 or BO and never play anything else. Why update if your game of choice works fine with out an updated firmware
Very true but with all the reports about offiaial games not booting and failing ap2.5 microsof't's hands may be tied, can they ban 1000's of gamers that have done nothing wrong.
Post by: carnby24 on January 21, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
MS knows that majority of us are aware of Fable 3, NFSHP, AC Bro AP2.5. So we dont load them up our drive and play them except for a very few who have the know=how to upgrade to LT+ by themselves.
So they unsuspectingly activated Black Ops since a lot of them play it and at the time before the update,isnt AP2.5 activated.
After the update, Voila! all drop dead like flies! Flies flagged for another swat soon(The Ban!)
I suspect a ban very soon.....
Post by: canisay on January 21, 2011, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(weelad @ Jan 21 2011, 02:56 PM)
Very true but with all the reports about offiaial games not booting and failing ap2.5 microsof't's hands may be tied, can they ban 1000's of gamers that have done nothing wrong.
Exactly, which is why the flag is just one indicating factor of being modded. I am sure there are other flags that once you have enough, will really get you a ban (playing early releases, improperly stealthed, etc.). They have to give room for error. They don't want to accidentally ban someone because one of their original disk was scratched and wrongly flagged them. Even Redline (Xval coder) aknowledges that it is not a 100% certain way of detecting a ban waiting to happen
Post by: fred1970 on January 21, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
i only play pro evolution soccer 11 online at this point, if i avoid playing those 3 games as well as the other AP 2.5 games will i be safe online at this stage until i upgrade my firmware?
Post by: PredatorFXX on January 21, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
Thanks in advance.
Post by: mondoman22 on January 21, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Allrighty Tested Black ops on a 0078fk drive and on the benq ran the iso's through abgx
patched them.... Everything green and clean.... Both Systems booted up everything
is good to go.....
I just have to say within roughly 24 to 48 hrs MicroMinds protection is hacked
Bahahahah thats Hilarious.... Doing the happy dance.. Now if only i could get
coders like that to Crack Nagravision 3 For douchenetwork I would be a
happy camper...
Anyways Hats off to the coders... Went and donated a little bit of jingle for the guys...
This forum is the best for 360 info I know i don't post much but love to read and
it is the most informative place... All you guys are great and thanks to the system
admins mods and staff for keeping the thread great and us informed!!!!
Just wanted to let you guys know about the hitachi 0078fk... I wish i had a 79 but
unfortunately it bricked heh.... Anyways
Have a Great Night Guys
Mondo
Oh by the way Lt+ firmware.... I would suggest everyone do like a lot of the
Old timers said..... Upgrade to Lt+ to keep your live experience ALIVE....
This post has been edited by mondoman22: Jan 22 2011, 04:21 AM
Post by: honda4eternity on January 21, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(PredatorFXX @ Jan 21 2011, 09:07 PM)
I would really like to know if you can play all other games than CoD:MW2, CoD:BO, Halo:Reach, NFS:HP, AC:B, Fable III online, without getting a Failed AP2.5 Challenge flag after the latest dash update?
Thanks in advance.
These 6 games are the only known games to contain activated AP2.5 challenges, so you should be completely fine. Make sure you have LT+ firmware to protect against future AP2.5 scenarios(dashboard/title updates)
Post by: kri on January 21, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
I'd really rather not have to flash stock firmware, but if that's what I have to do to be as safe as possible....
Post by: aphexacid on January 22, 2011, 03:24:00 AM
I updated today with the new dash update, i have LT+ on my 360. I tried playing assassins creed brotherhood a few hours, and it plays just fine, on and offline. I made sure i patched with abgx and all that jazz.
Am i not supposed to be able to play this? i dont get it.
This post has been edited by aphexacid: Jan 22 2011, 11:25 AM
Post by: astr4twin on January 22, 2011, 04:46:00 AM
QUOTE(aphexacid @ Jan 22 2011, 12:24 PM)
I'm majorly confused about whats happening...
I updated today with the new dash update, i have LT+ on my 360. I tried playing assassins creed brotherhood a few hours, and it plays just fine, on and offline. I made sure i patched with abgx and all that jazz.
Am i not supposed to be able to play this? i dont get it.
If your on LT+ and you ran any/all of the six games through abgx to patch with 'AP2.5 replay sector' then they should all work fine after updating your 360 to the latest dash.
If you were on LT+ and didnt verify them in abgx as having the AP2.5 replay sector then, no they wouldnt work.
If you werent on LT+ They wouldnt work either way.
Hope that clears up any confusion for you.
Post by: juggahax0r on January 22, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(weelad @ Jan 21 2011, 05:56 PM)
Very true but with all the reports about offiaial games not booting and failing ap2.5 microsof't's hands may be tied, can they ban 1000's of gamers that have done nothing wrong.
Seriously don't come on here and talk out of your ass. Their are not 1000's of innocents getting hit in this anyone who got banned has done something to get banned. MS would not release a new check if it would accidentally check a real disc as being a fake, in fact no one in here has made a single post alluding to that.
It's just another play in the cat and mouse game...they will never be able to fully stomp it out too many people. I am interested to know about this boot to game option? My Jtag is on 12611 and still has the option in dash too auto-play a game, i can't test whether it works or not because i use dashlaunch but it seems to me if they had actually removed that option they wouldn't have left the button for it still in the dash.
Is it possible that these checks are being hardcoded on a per game basis into the dash.xex??
Post by: lordvader129 on January 22, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 10:32 AM)
I am interested to know about this boot to game option? My Jtag is on 12611 and still has the option in dash too auto-play a game, i can't test whether it works or not because i use dashlaunch but it seems to me if they had actually removed that option they wouldn't have left the button for it still in the dash.
they kinect update broke boot to disc, the option was there but it didnt work
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 22, 2011, 09:50:00 AM
To the above did it download the patch for 2.5? It should have said. It should also say the patch was applied also when ran again. If that is good it honestly sounds like you aren't on plus but the older firmware with out the api protection.
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 22, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 22 2011, 05:50 PM)
I upgraged my lite-on to lt 1.1plus finally. Erasing the drive didn't want to work right but when I refreshed the drive it came back in vendor mode. So I flashed like 6 times for it to tell me verify failed. Then it finally told it was right. Adjusted the laser from stock 5.75 to 5.11. Then ran black ops in abgx. Burn and played all night last night.
To the above did it download the patch for 2.5? It should have said. It should also say the patch was applied also when ran again. If that is good it honestly sounds like you aren't on plus but the older firmware with out the api protection.
I just posted my results above, all was green and all looked good....
How recent was the new firmware released, I just flashed a month ago? thx
Post by: ace2000 on January 22, 2011, 10:06:00 AM
on a side note, I have changed the drive about a year back due to a fault but i replaced it with the same make and model...
This post has been edited by ace2000: Jan 22 2011, 06:24 PM
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 22, 2011, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(ace2000 @ Jan 22 2011, 06:06 PM)
iam having exactly the same issues as Mr.kakarot , manualy patching and abgx, everything is green but all i get is disc unreadable iam on lt+ 1.1 would it make a difference if i dropped back to lt+? cheers
on a side note, I have changed the drive about a year back due to a fault but i replaced it with the same make and model...
I am also on a different drive, as the other one died... but other games load just fine? Also, what if I buy a new drive and mod it? what drive do you suggest? I think I have a crappy lite on! thx
This post has been edited by Mr.kakarot: Jan 22 2011, 07:25 PM
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 22, 2011, 11:24:00 AM
Edit: What was your original drive and what do you have now.
This post has been edited by 2fast4u88: Jan 22 2011, 07:25 PM
Post by: Mr.kakarot on January 22, 2011, 11:39:00 AM
thx, I will do whatever it takes... I just do not want the kids scratching the discs
so far so good with my original bo...
Post by: xboxgodz on January 22, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 22, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 22 2011, 01:24 PM)
It patched. I am using a lite-on 7 series in one box. Haven't flashed it yet. But the one I did last night is the one flagged. And it has a 8 series v1 in it. Play just fine for me. I am actually playing black ops right now. And is running 1.1 plus.
Edit: What was your original drive and what do you have now.
If it is the same lite-on drive then you should be fine. I thought I remembered reading something about 2.5 and having spoofed drives is why I asked. The only thing I can think of is you use a older jungle flasher that had the older firmware I was on. If so your box is flagged now. Which would confim the booting problem and dirty disc error.
Check the xval with the program posted a few back. If I am right it will say api failed for a error. As I don't believe if you are on plus you will get the dirty disk error thing.
The other choice is if you still have the firmware you used/jungleflasher. Post the names of the files on here. If they don't have plus in them but like 1.1 or w/e then you aren't on the firmware for 2.5.
If you have aim or google chat or something. Pm me the addy and I will help you as I am on the computer right now building roms for my phone.
Post by: jnc8651 on January 22, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Big Rock Show on January 22, 2011, 05:31:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxgodz @ Jan 22 2011, 07:48 PM)
I can confirm Call of duty black ops has added AP.25 patch file. I was hit with this update on the 19th and its the 22 and i patched it with AP.25 and it works fine!!!! (benq LT+ )
Wheeewww, thanks! I don't think we had any idea what the heck was going on until you came in here to confirm this.
Post by: ace2000 on January 22, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Big Rock Show @ Jan 23 2011, 02:31 AM)
Wheeewww, thanks! I don't think we had any idea what the heck was going on until you came in here to confirm this.
lol
Post by: juggahax0r on January 22, 2011, 06:09:00 PM
The couple saying they are having problems with original discs i think you need to look at whether you spoofed a new drive into the system or you just have a failing drive, BUT if you don't have a modified FW and don't ever play any backup games you will not get banned playing an original and it's not going to fail AP2.5 simply because it can't it's got the exact right information that is pressed on every disc of that game. A spoofed Samsung/Hitachi without AP2.5, into something that requires an AP2.5 fw would cause that problem though with an original or a backup as those drives don't have the AP2.5 checks in their FW.
Post by: Shareef187 on January 22, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
Edit: Actually, I just read the post above mine from juggahaxor, and that seems somewhat related to my question. I'm actually asking because I have a friend who I had to replace his DVD drive with another spoofed drive, and now he can't play COD:BO (which I'm assuming is an original copy, but I'm not 100% certain). I'm wondering if simply updating the FW on his drive should be all that is necessary to get him playing again.
This post has been edited by Shareef187: Jan 23 2011, 02:57 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on January 22, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 07:09 PM)
So they obviously added something to the Kernel that is checking Ap2.5, But the question is why did they just now start using it on those games? Possibly they were testing the water, knowing c4eva would be coming out with a new FW once the AP2.5 check was discovered , now they are seeing just how well he cracked it which obviously pretty well if they just had to rip the AP2.5 info off the games that stopped booting and now they boot again with no new FW.
MS already tested the waters with AC: Brotherhood and NFS
i think they intended to activate AP2.5 in a bunch more games with the spring update, but since they had to put out another update to fix booting to disc they decided to roll out the AP2.5 checks for these games early. antipiracy efforts from MS have always been focused toward keeping piracy off Live, so its no surprise the 3 games they activated are pretty much the most popular XBL games right now
This post has been edited by lordvader129: Jan 23 2011, 03:11 AM
Post by: juggahax0r on January 22, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 22 2011, 09:07 PM)
MS already tested the waters with AC: Brotherhood and NFS
i think they intended to activate AP2.5 in a bunch more games with the spring update, but since they had to put out another update to fix booting to disc they decided to roll out the AP2.5 checks for these games early. antipiracy efforts from MS have always been focused toward keeping piracy off Live, so its no surprise the 3 games they activated are pretty much the most popular XBL games right now
It just seems a little convenient that they released a new update shortly after the fw was released. I really have no stake in the matter i run 2 systems that run unsigned or self signed code so my only concern is with drives i flash for other people.
So what your saying is that they just put the 2 games Ac:Brotherhood and NFS:HP early and then activated it on the other games with an update. Makes sense. I do agree it's not a coincidence that the new games affected are the most popular online games.
Post by: sliwka on January 22, 2011, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: juggahax0r on January 22, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
QUOTE(sliwka @ Jan 22 2011, 10:12 PM)
can anyone help me with a jtag question please read my previous post need help baddddddd
Post in the proper forum for Jtags and i will be glad to help...i don't see any previous post and im not looking back through pages of posts for yours. Their will most likely not be a new freeboot for Jtags for this update, i think the issue was whether their was a fw update for kinect in it or something along those lines and their was not so no need yet.
AP2.5 only effects a Jtag modded system if you play backup games on it even then i believe some of the AP2.5 kernel stuff is patched out with freeboot , could be wrong about that but i remember reading it somewhere.
Post by: lordvader129 on January 22, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 08:53 PM)
It just seems a little convenient that they released a new update shortly after the fw was released. I really have no stake in the matter i run 2 systems that run unsigned or self signed code so my only concern is with drives i flash for other people.
i think that was just a coincidence, MS had to put out the "hotfix" for boot to disc, and new firmwares always come out shortly after new checks are started, thats just how the cat and mouse game works
and i really dont think they would have broken boot to disc on purpose as an excuse to put out another update, theres no reason to, they can update whenever they want
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 08:53 PM)
So what your saying is that they just put the 2 games Ac:Brotherhood and NFS:HP early and then activated it on the other games with an update. Makes sense. I do agree it's not a coincidence that the new games affected are the most popular online games.
well its actually 3 games, FIFA 09 was the first, but its a bit of an outlier, came out over 2 years ago and not nearly as popular as the others, i think it was probably the first game capable of doing the AP2.5 checks
Post by: juggahax0r on January 22, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 22 2011, 10:47 PM)
i think that was just a coincidence, MS had to put out the "hotfix" for boot to disc, and new firmwares always come out shortly after new checks are started, thats just how the cat and mouse game works
and i really dont think they would have broken boot to disc on purpose as an excuse to put out another update, theres no reason to, they can update whenever they want
well its actually 3 games, FIFA 09 was the first, but its a bit of an outlier, came out over 2 years ago and not nearly as popular as the others, i think it was probably the first game capable of doing the AP2.5 checks
I am a homebrew addict lol I rarely play any regular games or if i do I am changing something about them. Mostly I build mods for Oblivion and Fallouts. I don't care for any of the games that are giving people problems I did a little xex modding on Black Ops , mostly to prove to myself im not a ra tard and i can do what those dumbass kids do over at 7s. This DVD drive stuff never interests me much except that i flash drives for people , but until their was a homebrew hack i didn't even own a 360.
Post by: samjana on January 23, 2011, 12:34:00 AM
one benq drive - latest firmware LT+ for kinect purposes
one samsung or toshiba cant remember? - ixtreme 1.6
My kid decided he would update and boom
cod mw2
halo reach
nfs hot pusuit no go on LT+
but they all still work on ixtreme 1.6
All "he" (7Yrs old) was trying to do was try system link with one i setup in my room. bit of a bummer cause i set it up to play mw2 on system link against him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) but neva got around to trying it. i was at wrk and he took matters into his own hand
could firmware have sumthing to do with it?
used same disks, were both updated today - gotta remeber to switch live off!
This post has been edited by samjana: Jan 23 2011, 08:47 AM
Post by: pesaroso on January 23, 2011, 03:48:00 AM
Is COD:BO, HL and MW2 the only ones affected by this new update? Or is AC:B etc affected as well?
Also, main difference between LT+ 1 and 1.1 is XBOX1, right? I see lots of people replying about "omg, gotta have 1.1, or else it will flag you!!1", this can't be correct?
Thx in advance!
Post by: kasperand on January 23, 2011, 04:49:00 AM
Post by: sdboltdude on January 23, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
agbx patch worked perfect im running lt+ w/ lite-on 7..... updated m$ tried blk opps
"black screen" thanks to c-4 xval clean and still play opps in less then 24 hours after update...
and big up's to all the other peps on the scene.....
without the help of c-4 and team members we would be crying over the ban wave not being able to play a couple of games.......
lt+ is doing what c-4 has said all along "STEALTH"
Post by: 2fast4u88 on January 23, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 08:09 PM)
So they obviously added something to the Kernel that is checking Ap2.5, But the question is why did they just now start using it on those games? Possibly they were testing the water, knowing c4eva would be coming out with a new FW once the AP2.5 check was discovered , now they are seeing just how well he cracked it which obviously pretty well if they just had to rip the AP2.5 info off the games that stopped booting and now they boot again with no new FW.
The couple saying they are having problems with original discs i think you need to look at whether you spoofed a new drive into the system or you just have a failing drive, BUT if you don't have a modified FW and don't ever play any backup games you will not get banned playing an original and it's not going to fail AP2.5 simply because it can't it's got the exact right information that is pressed on every disc of that game. A spoofed Samsung/Hitachi without AP2.5, into something that requires an AP2.5 fw would cause that problem though with an original or a backup as those drives don't have the AP2.5 checks in their FW.
Where did you get the info from for the api check? As it sounds you got proofed wrong on a few pages back. As the guy wasn't on plus but was playing a original blackops. Where the sector I guess got scratched by what he said it failed the api check. I can also confirm it doesn't matter about non plus and plus. As I have my cousins box here running non plus. Which when I told him that I got flagged he grabbed his brothers original. In which it plays fine and not one flag on non plus firmware.
If I didn't want to flag his box. I would prove the above with my copy that isn't patched. Now if I understood you wrong then I stand corrected.
This post has been edited by 2fast4u88: Jan 23 2011, 06:52 PM
Post by: Cjc1706 on January 23, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
Question being, now the games have been patched with the AP2.5 data, is it now safe to update my 360 with the new dash ?
Thanks
Chris
Post by: juggahax0r on January 23, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(2fast4u88 @ Jan 23 2011, 12:50 PM)
Where did you get the info from for the api check? As it sounds you got proofed wrong on a few pages back. As the guy wasn't on plus but was playing a original blackops. Where the sector I guess got scratched by what he said it failed the api check. I can also confirm it doesn't matter about non plus and plus. As I have my cousins box here running non plus. Which when I told him that I got flagged he grabbed his brothers original. In which it plays fine and not one flag on non plus firmware.
If I didn't want to flag his box. I would prove the above with my copy that isn't patched. Now if I understood you wrong then I stand corrected.
I have news for you. AN original doesn't need patching. My entire statement was based on someone NOT ever having used a burned game. You will not get flagged or banned for a scratch on an original disc, it isn't that picky. The only other thing i said was if you spoofed say a Sammy into a system that was supposed to have a Lite on the Kernel knowing you are supposed to have a lite on would try and run the AP2.5 check but wouldn't be able to because the drive wouldn't support it and that would effect originals. Other than that you weren't actually arguing any of my points.
Post by: weelad on January 23, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 22 2011, 04:32 PM)
Seriously don't come on here and talk out of your ass. Their are not 1000's of innocents getting hit in this anyone who got banned has done something to get banned. MS would not release a new check if it would accidentally check a real disc as being a fake, in fact no one in here has made a single post alluding to that.
It's just another play in the cat and mouse game...they will never be able to fully stomp it out too many people. I am interested to know about this boot to game option? My Jtag is on 12611 and still has the option in dash too auto-play a game, i can't test whether it works or not because i use dashlaunch but it seems to me if they had actually removed that option they wouldn't have left the button for it still in the dash.
Is it possible that these checks are being hardcoded on a per game basis into the dash.xex??
So scratched official games can not fail AP2.5 and is there not people making complaints to xbox that there official games fail to load?
Post by: alexthegr824 on January 23, 2011, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: Alize on January 23, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: smuddge37 on January 23, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
all games now giving me unreadable disk original or rip on any liteon drive i put in there with any firmware i put in.
prior to me updating dash all games other than nfs, acb worked fine. had LT then. have lt+ now.
i don't know what to do.
also giving me invalid profile if i try to log into live however when i called ms they said console is not banned and i am not first to have this prob. was able to get update for kinect game when i put it in from live all while the profile said disconnected... ?!?!
don't know what to do here. not my console was given it to fix but i am at a loss as to what to do here.
Post by: juggahax0r on January 23, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(weelad @ Jan 23 2011, 04:26 PM)
So scratched official games can not fail AP2.5 and is there not people making complaints to xbox that there official games fail to load?
I never said anything about failing to load. Like anything the drive can go bad. I am talking about getting banned from Live. A scratched Original is not going to get these people banned. Checking security is almost always where any disc fails, sometimes a drive won't read games but is fine on DVDs. The only way as i said before that a drive is going to specifically fail AP2.5 on a stock un-modded system is if the drive has been spoofed, then yea you can expect a ban for that, and that technically isn't un-modded even if it is a stock FW.
Also this doesn't necessarily point to AP2.5 checks causing the issue. You all are just speculating. Lets not forget they also fixed the boot to disc feature, maybe they created a bug in the dash that they will have release a hotfix for.
This post has been edited by juggahax0r: Jan 24 2011, 12:53 AM
Post by: smuddge37 on January 23, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
QUOTE(juggahax0r @ Jan 23 2011, 06:50 PM)
Also this doesn't necessarily point to AP2.5 checks causing the issue. You all are just speculating. Lets not forget they also fixed the boot to disc feature, maybe they created a bug in the dash that they will have release a hotfix for.
I would say they created a bug for sure.
My console cannot read any disks regardless of firmware(stock or lt+) original disks or backups. nothing after this update.
jasper with liteon v7
Post by: mondoman22 on January 23, 2011, 08:33:00 PM
Ok guys,
Just for informational purposes, got back a few xbox's i modded,
Tested the 79 hitachi... Works excellent Benq works Great...
Updated a stock sammy to lt+ Worked perfectly.. Havent gotten
back any liteon's yet, All systems working excellent and
have ran the effected dvd games through abgx and all are
patched and working perfectly.... All systems have a clean
Xval... So needless to say C4eva and the boys done their
part....
Thanks Guys
Mondo
Post by: smuddge37 on January 23, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Post by: DARKFiB3R on January 23, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
QUOTE
AP25 makes the laser work a lot harder, so it exposes the weaker lasers, and there will be LOTS of weak lasers. This will also expose low quality burns.
So... I would advise people still having problems after updating the dash, and patching the games, to take the following steps.
- Make sure you are using quality discs (Verbatim)
- Make sure your burners firmware is up to date (Pioneer burners are recommended amongst others)
- Clean your drives laser
- Pot tweak you drive (last resort)
Post by: madman4lyf on February 03, 2020, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Ketchup_Bomb on February 03, 2020, 04:16:00 PM
Flashing to LT+ will allow you to play AP2.5 games in the future (offline).
No flashed console is online safe. If you want to play your backups, do it offline.
Post by: prmaster on January 26, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Since new games are obviously going to arrive with ap2.5 in the disc (from what
i understood ap2.5 is a feature of the disc not any kind of data) my question is:
Do we need to wait for ap2.5 to be activated to create a patch for it?
I ask this because if we had to wait for it to be activated MS could start shipping games with ap2.5 deactivated just like BO and start activating them randomly, just to f*ck with us making us re-burn a lot of games.
Post by: danthaman673 on January 27, 2011, 01:07:00 AM
QUOTE(prmaster @ Jan 27 2011, 09:37 AM)
Hey guys i have a question would like to see if anyone knows the answer.
Since new games are obviously going to arrive with ap2.5 in the disc (from what
i understood ap2.5 is a feature of the disc not any kind of data) my question is:
Do we need to wait for ap2.5 to be activated to create a patch for it?
I ask this because if we had to wait for it to be activated MS could start shipping games with ap2.5 deactivated just like BO and start activating them randomly, just to f*ck with us making us re-burn a lot of games.
AP 2.5 HAS BEEN ACTIVATED! This means: ALL NEW GAMES and Blackops, MW 2,Reach (and a couple of others that escape me) and possibly some of the 'older' games, WILL NEED TO BE PATCHED!
AP 2.5 includes a type of data specific to each disc(Different between regions/languages) So this means you have to wait for Xecuter to extract the AP 2.5 from an original that matches yours and upload it to the AGBX database...
As they seem to be dragging their feet on either releasing the new ssv3 ripping method or expediting the release of the patches, others are going to start finding a way to extract ssv3......
QUOTE(madman4lyf @ Jan 27 2011, 06:50 AM)
basically i got old firmware. I think LT liteon. I tried blak ops n mw2 n dont work. I guess im flagged. All i wna know is... if i flash to latest firmware, will i more or less get banned ? And would that mean i need a new xbox flashed with LT+1.1 and then update it.. wud that allow me to play all new games inc mw2 and blak ops n be Safe Online ????... plz sum1 reply becuz im stressing out
Old FirmWare = Ban
(With few exceptions)
Post by: prmaster on January 28, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
QUOTE(danthaman673 @ Jan 27 2011, 04:07 AM)
AP 2.5 HAS BEEN ACTIVATED! This means: ALL NEW GAMES and Blackops, MW 2,Reach (and a couple of others that escape me) and possibly some of the 'older' games, WILL NEED TO BE PATCHED!
You did not understood me i think. Obviously ap2.5 have being activated for some new games.
But obviously Black Ops shipped with it deactivated, the same with Halo Reach. What i asked is if MS
start shipping games with ap2.5 deactivated like black ops?
So simplify my question: Do the guys who extract AP2.5 need AP2.5 to be activated for them
to be able to extract it?
Post by: syntaxerror329 on January 28, 2011, 01:05:00 AM
QUOTE(prmaster @ Jan 28 2011, 02:27 AM)
So simplify my question: Do the guys who extract AP2.5 need AP2.5 to be activated for them
to be able to extract it?
Yup, and that really sucks cause otherwise they could just pre extract it. Worse yet MS can add more checks so we could be reburning a game a number of times to keep it working if MS wanted to do that.
Post by: kill4100 on January 31, 2011, 02:13:00 AM
Post by: 360ballin on January 31, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: bobsteruk on February 02, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
I have the LT firmware not LT + and a liteon drive
I cant load and COD games and a few other new games
All I want to know is I am not bothered about going on live so how do I play back ups offline on this console that has been flagged because of the failed AP25 check?
If i Updated my firmware to LT+ and reripped the games that I cant play now would they work or is that it?
Post by: Hexx on February 02, 2011, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: DSSMasterPR on February 02, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
is safe to play black ops fixed with abgx ????
Post by: XeoNoX on February 03, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(DSSMasterPR @ Feb 2 2011, 07:28 PM)
if i read black ops and pass to abgx fix all the stealth thinks and burn again is safe to play it was flashed to lt+ working great but i update the xbox yesterday and turn off and then read this thread...
is safe to play black ops fixed with abgx ????
i was wondering the same thing. Does anyone know??
Post by: Trony666 on February 06, 2011, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: juggahax0r on February 06, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: BoNg420 on February 08, 2011, 06:25:00 AM
QUOTE(DSSMasterPR @ Feb 2 2011, 10:28 PM)
if i read black ops and pass to abgx fix all the stealth thinks and burn again is safe to play it was flashed to lt+ working great but i update the xbox yesterday and turn off and then read this thread...
is safe to play black ops fixed with abgx ????
You need ABGX patched black ops and ixtreme LT+, unless you have a samsung drive or old hitachi ver 59 or less. If you have LT+ and have a game with missing AP25, it will black screen on you and not play and your xbox will be frozen basically and you have to turn it off because you can't eject or get back to dashboard. This is a feature of LT+ to not flag for banning.
Post by: pcz on February 21, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
1. Can somebody confirm that BO is working on lt+ 1.1 LITEON drives?
2. I am new to modding. If xbox asks me to update the dashboard can I do that or should I only update the firmwares?
Post by: kami623 on February 24, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
QUOTE(pcz @ Feb 21 2011, 03:50 PM)
I have two questions:
1. Can somebody confirm that BO is working on lt+ 1.1 LITEON drives?
2. I am new to modding. If xbox asks me to update the dashboard can I do that or should I only update the firmwares?
1. Black Ops works. You have to run it through ABGX to make sure it gets the AP25 patches. You will have to do the same with MW2 and Halo Reach as well as the latest dashboard adds AP25 to those games.
2. It depends on what the dashboard update does. The first Kinect dashboard enabled AP25 so LT+ was pushed for the drives that used those AP25 checks. The second Kinect dashboard enabled AP25 for Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2 and Halo Reach, so they had to be reran through ABGX to be repatched.
Post by: carloz420 on March 20, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
So it happened that I said yes to the dashupdate that came with Homefront. After that the game freezes or it says "dirty disc, please clean..". So after that I started to read different forums and eventually came here. What happened was it brought ap25 to Black Ops and so on. But after using abgx and burned the games again it looks okey.
My question is as follows: I cannot still use Homefront because it freezes or says dirty disc although I have burned it after the confirmation from abgx. I also get freezing or dirty disc from the new LEGO or Crysis 2( they have not been confirmed yet through abgx!) but from what I can read a lot of other people play these games without problems. As I see it all these games must contain ap25 but not yet confirmed and as for Homefront I think the game itself doesn`t contain ap25 but the new dash introduced it for sertain older and for som recent newer games. I wonder if this is a new trick to in the future ban all older burnt games/backups within a future dashupdate. I always play offline.
This post has been edited by carloz420: Mar 20 2011, 10:31 AM
Post by: WarezRat on March 25, 2011, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(carloz420 @ Mar 20 2011, 10:28 AM)
Hi !
So it happened that I said yes to the dashupdate that came with Homefront. After that the game freezes or it says "dirty disc, please clean..". So after that I started to read different forums and eventually came here. What happened was it brought ap25 to Black Ops and so on. But after using abgx and burned the games again it looks okey.
My question is as follows: I cannot still use Homefront because it freezes or says dirty disc although I have burned it after the confirmation from abgx. I also get freezing or dirty disc from the new LEGO or Crysis 2( they have not been confirmed yet through abgx!) but from what I can read a lot of other people play these games without problems. As I see it all these games must contain ap25 but not yet confirmed and as for Homefront I think the game itself doesn`t contain ap25 but the new dash introduced it for sertain older and for som recent newer games. I wonder if this is a new trick to in the future ban all older burnt games/backups within a future dashupdate. I always play offline.
I did the same thing basically. I accepted the update from Homefront
and now I can't play any backups and some originals without freezing?? Homefront freezes, Gears of war 2 freezes and others, all the originals?? 
I hope there is a work-a-round. What's up with the originals freezing? I have an Elite with a BenQ in it running LT+
Post by: WarezRat on March 26, 2011, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: hany262 on September 20, 2011, 10:02:00 PM