Post by: Toddler on November 09, 2009, 09:32:00 PM
Basically, my "flagged" box now appears to have been "unflagged" by Microsoft. I'm not claiming this is a sure-fire thing by any means, I'm just reporting what I observed.
QUOTE(Cedru @ Nov 8 2009, 08:29 AM) 
My brother has an Arcade with a 20GB HD (that is not relevent) that was flagged on the support site. Wasn't banned yet, but still got the 54420 error code. He's got a BenQ Drive in there and had 1.61 installed on it. When he seen that error code, assuming he was Flagged but not yet banned, he reverted to his OFW. After switching back to his OFW, the mysterious inquiry sound was made on his drive (where it gets loud and spins fast.) while playing COD4 (his original.)
This morning, it is reported that he can now do a support (RROD) request and NOT get the 54420 error code.
I am not trying to initiate speculation here - just reporting something that MAY be relevant.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2009, 11:24 AM)
That's the most interesting thing I've read in a good many pages of this thread.
Obviously, when a console receives a ban, there is a routine which runs on the 360. It could well be that this routine begins with some sort of "mod check" before invoking the ban. If that check returns "success" then it bans the console and returns the results, or if the check returns "fail" then it just returns results. If Microsoft has enough confidence in their "mod check" to ban consoles based on those results, it would be logical to put an equal level of confidence on those results and "unflag" consoles.
I (like many) have assumed thus far that there's no point reverting a modded console to stock firmware, based on the "if you're flagged, you can't stop it" theory. But the only ones who know how it works are Microsoft, and here is a case which indicates it may not be as we've all assumed. And if the 200+ pages of confusion are any indication, a good number of our assumptions to this point may well be wrong.
If you're getting the 54420 error but haven't been banned yet, why not flash back to stock firmware, drop in an original disc and sign into Live? I see no reason not to try it, unless you're just terribly afraid of losing the hard drive feature.
QUOTE(mhouldey @ Nov 8 2009, 11:45 AM)
That little brother story is interesting. Obviously there is the standard possibility that it is not a true story, either because someone is purposely lying or genuinely mistaken. I hope the guy keeps us updated.
QUOTE(Cedru @ Nov 8 2009, 12:15 PM)
This is a true statement... I have no reason to post bs as I am very well into this whole ban thing and would like to see everyone that still has a chance to NOT get banned... i will keep updating, although posting about it every hour on the hour would be somewhat redundant.
I will definately post back the results of the Support page and his Live status on a daily basis, if that is what you are asking.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2009, 01:18 PM)
You go here:
http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/default.aspx
Register your console(s) and then try to submit a service request. If you get a form where you submit information about your repair, that's normal. If you get an error page and the URL references 54420, then all reports indicate your console has been flagged to be banned.
I've flashed my supposedly-flagged, 54420 BenQ console back to stock. It's connected to XBL with Rock Band 1 in the drive. No change yet.
QUOTE(realitybytes @ Nov 8 2009, 01:20 PM)
This will be interesting to follow, I look forward to hearing your results.
QUOTE(zeppy218 @ Nov 8 2009, 01:21 PM)
very interested in these results, please keep us updated and thanks for taking the risk.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2009, 01:26 PM)
Thanks, it's not much risk in my case. I haven't even had Gold for quite a while, don't care much about the hard drive feature either. And I've got another modded, unflagged (if that's what the 54420 really means) system which has literally never been powered on, sitting in a closet just in case I ever do care. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2009, 10:28 PM)
Figured I'd update you guys. It is still not banned, but the site still shows the 54420 error. I'm pretty sure its day is coming, it's just a matter of time.
After flashing back to stock, I played some RB1, TB:RB and LRB yesterday. I left my 360 running all night long, sitting at the dashboard with LRB in the drive. This morning I checked my online warranty status and I was able to submit a repair request for the box that previously gave me the 54420 error. This evening, I'm still online and still able to submit a repair request.
It could be a coincidence, but has anyone other than me and Cedru's brother seen the 54420 error go away? I really don't want to get everyone's hopes up for nothing.
Post by: wrxwabbit on November 09, 2009, 10:01:00 PM
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Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 09, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: Toddler on November 09, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
QUOTE(wrxwabbit @ Nov 9 2009, 11:01 PM) 
It didn't work for me, I haven't been on live for 3 days because of the fear of being ban. I had the 54420 error when requesting a repair, so I decided to flash back my hitachi to stock and log on to live and was happy i wasn't ban yet. But I was playing Left for dead 2 demo for an hour then bam i got disconnected and sure enough i got the message saying console is banned. Goddamit i pay the price and now i gotta buy another xbox to play mw2
.Doesn't sound like you had an original in the drive, and I don't see why "now" you have to buy another 360 to play MW2, since you wouldn't have taken it online anyway...am I missing something?
Sorry to hear how it turned out for you.
Post by: wrxwabbit on November 09, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 9 2009, 07:04 PM)
How long did you stay on playing with the orig fw wabbit? You should have started playing the second you reflashed it back to orig and left it on the entire night.
Yes right after i flash my xbox, i went straight to live and played the retail arcade game that came with my xbox since thats the only retail game I have lol. And started browsing dashbaord and download demo of l4d 2. So the estimate time on live was 2 hours before i got banned.
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 09, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
QUOTE(wrxwabbit @ Nov 10 2009, 12:31 AM)
Yes right after i flash my xbox, i went straight to live and played the retail arcade game that came with my xbox since thats the only retail game I have lol. And started browsing dashbaord and download demo of l4d 2. So the estimate time on live was 2 hours before i got banned.
Weird, I've been on 8+ hours today since reverting back to orig haven't been banned yet.
Maybe you where flagged to the point of no return
Post by: wrxwabbit on November 09, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 9 2009, 07:28 PM)
Doesn't sound like you had an original in the drive, and I don't see why "now" you have to buy another 360 to play MW2, since you wouldn't have taken it online anyway...am I missing something?
Sorry to hear how it turned out for you.
nope, i didn't had mw2 game or any other backup in my drive before i log on live besides the retail arcade game. And I don't play prerelease games on this console, but I have played on my other xbox360 that ocassioanly rrod with different hd.
DiscoveryX360, you are lucky hopefully you wont eventually get banned. For now im staying legit and stay away from modding console, I can't afford another console.
Post by: 111111 on November 09, 2009, 11:38:00 PM
My current situation is a 1.6 Liteon, that's coming up with the 54420 error but hasn't been banned yet. The issue here being that there's no original Liteon FW to flash back onto the drive.
I'm *hoping* the new iXtreme LT FW will pass the spin-up disc check. So if I leave my 360 turned off until the new firmware's released, flash it, and then play for a while with a retail game until the 54420 error goes away, I should be left with an unbanned 360 : D
Post by: dajo on November 10, 2009, 02:10:00 AM
QUOTE(111111 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:38 AM)
This seems really hopeful.
My current situation is a 1.6 Liteon, that's coming up with the 54420 error but hasn't been banned yet. The issue here being that there's no original Liteon FW to flash back onto the drive.
I'm *hoping* the new iXtreme LT FW will pass the spin-up disc check. So if I leave my 360 turned off until the new firmware's released, flash it, and then play for a while with a retail game until the 54420 error goes away, I should be left with an unbanned 360 : D
im in the same situation
hopefully c4eva will come up with an undetectable fw
Post by: elexion on November 10, 2009, 05:52:00 AM
This post has been edited by elexion: Nov 10 2009, 01:52 PM
Post by: HUmarX on November 10, 2009, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(111111 @ Nov 9 2009, 11:38 PM)
This seems really hopeful.
My current situation is a 1.6 Liteon, that's coming up with the 54420 error but hasn't been banned yet. The issue here being that there's no original Liteon FW to flash back onto the drive.
I'm *hoping* the new iXtreme LT FW will pass the spin-up disc check. So if I leave my 360 turned off until the new firmware's released, flash it, and then play for a while with a retail game until the 54420 error goes away, I should be left with an unbanned 360 : D
lmao. wishful thinking much?
Post by: mhouldey on November 10, 2009, 07:03:00 AM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:34 AM)
Weird, I've been on 8+ hours today since reverting back to orig haven't been banned yet.
Maybe you where flagged to the point of no return
Or maybe this method doesn't actually work. I.e. maybe the 54420 error doesn't mean anything/what we think it means and/or flashing back to OFW does nothing.
I think unless the method works for loads and every person then the effect of the method is just coincidence.
Not bashing, just saying, I'm not sure this method is proven. So, when someone gets banned even though they performed it, we shouldn't be like, 'Omg, how on Earth did that happen, he did the tried and tested 100% proven method to unban!?'.
Good luck, all.
QUOTE(111111 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:38 AM)
This seems really hopeful.
My current situation is a 1.6 Liteon, that's coming up with the 54420 error but hasn't been banned yet. The issue here being that there's no original Liteon FW to flash back onto the drive.
I'm *hoping* the new iXtreme LT FW will pass the spin-up disc check. So if I leave my 360 turned off until the new firmware's released, flash it, and then play for a while with a retail game until the 54420 error goes away, I should be left with an unbanned 360 : D
Again, has the 'spin-up disc check' been proven to be the final test before a ban? I don't think it has to be honest. I'm confused why people are assuming things are facts.
Post by: g-sas on November 10, 2009, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 08:27:00 AM
I called microsoft the other day to try and get a free HDD transfer cable, and in the process the guy registered my xbox over the phone.
On the website, my xbox comes up as a pro bundle, but it's an elite?
Also, it says my warranty is over March 3rd 2010. Thats quite a random date since i bought my xbox December 2008..
Either way, i too get the 54420 error...
All my friends got banned except for me. All my friends play newer games except for me. I played on live last night for over 3 hours and im not banned. I havent checked this morning yet, but ill check tonight
EDIT: I re-registered my console. Still comes up as a pro, but now the warranty is one month less then before. Also the newly registered one does not get the 54420 error. And how do i remove them from the list now that i have 2 of the same console lol?
Also, im on Gears of War 2 Online with no problems.
This post has been edited by zoltrix2590: Nov 10 2009, 04:38 PM
Post by: Bucket Monster on November 10, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: chorizo1 on November 10, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Bucket Monster @ Nov 10 2009, 11:14 AM)
Is it possible to flash a Liteon7xxx back to original, I would like to try this.
no
Post by: Toddler on November 10, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Terdinglage on November 10, 2009, 11:12:00 AM
This service is temporarily unavailable. Please try back again later.
Is this the equivalent of the 54420 error, or is the service actually down right now?
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: kipper2k on November 10, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Nov 10 2009, 07:12 PM)
When I try to repair my console, I currently get the following:
This service is temporarily unavailable. Please try back again later.
Is this the equivalent of the 54420 error, or is the service actually down right now?
I would say you're on the list to be banned. If you value the HDD playing of games then don't go back on live or you'll be gone. If you know how to read/write your nand then do a readof it, go on line, get banned and then rewrite your nand to get back the HDD install capability
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:30 PM)
I have 2 xbox registered to me. both are the exact same box, and same ID number. One has the error, once doesnt..
How's that even possible? How does one even register the same serial..
And yes it probably means that you are flagged or on the way to be banned, in their banwave FAQ they clearly state that people that are banned are NOT able to send in their consoles for repair, even for a FEE when your warranty is expired.
It's up on Microsofts website somewhere and I did read it.
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:39 PM)
How's that even possible? How does one even register the same serial..
And yes it probably means that you are flagged or on the way to be banned, in their banwave FAQ they clearly state that people that are banned are NOT able to send in their consoles for repair, even for a FEE when your warranty is expired.
It's up on Microsofts website somewhere and I did read it.
Well that sucks, i kinda dont want to get banned lol. Wither i stay online, or stay offline, ill still get banned right?
And thats waht doesnt make sense. It allowed me to register my xbox twice. Both ahve different warranties. Both are Pro bundles, but i have an Elite.
Weird huh?
Post by: royal88 on November 10, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
I switched to "United Kingdom" and now have full functionality and can completely submit a repair for a console I thought was banned days ago.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
QUOTE(royal88 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:49 PM)
Well whatta ya know... I'm in the US and have been using the 'United States' geographic setting (for obvious reasons). The last 3 days I've not only been getting a 54420 error when trying to initiate a repair, but when I click on "My Information" it immediately fails to a "404" error page.
I switched to "United Kingdom" and now have full functionality and can completely submit a repair for a console I thought was banned days ago.
When I click on "My Information" all I get is a blank page.
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:45 PM)
Well that sucks, i kinda dont want to get banned lol. Wither i stay online, or stay offline, ill still get banned right?
And thats waht doesnt make sense. It allowed me to register my xbox twice. Both ahve different warranties. Both are Pro bundles, but i have an Elite.
Weird huh?
Alright i see the mistake. Both are very similar ID's but one number difference. Either way, the one that is actually mine gets 54420 on the US website, but the Canda one (i live in Canada) allows me to ahve a repair status.
How do i unregister a console? lol
Post by: R3volt on November 10, 2009, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 12:27:00 PM
The error is a flagged or banned system, no way around that fact.
Post by: jimmywalker on November 10, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Flyaway @ Nov 10 2009, 08:53 PM)
The feeling is that the US servers are updated to deal with the ban codes, the European servers aren't.
Which is why, as I said above, we need as many people with unmodified consoles as possible to try the repair trick on the US site (preferably with European consoles), to see if many unmodified perfectly healthy consoles get the 54420 error. That way we'll know if it's a surefire sign, or if it's just a bit of weirdness.
Everybody ask your friends!
Just got 2 friends with unmodified consoles - the US site works for them!
So seems like the error does mean at least a flag.
Post by: JakuBR on November 10, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Standard Warranty: Expired
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(JakuBR @ Nov 10 2009, 02:33 PM)
My console is out of warranty (red bullet) and I got 54420. Due the fact that my console is out of warranty can I get this error regulary ?
Standard Warranty: Expired
If it's modded you are probably flagged, it would allow you to send it in for repair either way if it wasn't flagged.
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:12 PM)
Alright i see the mistake. Both are very similar ID's but one number difference. Either way, the one that is actually mine gets 54420 on the US website, but the Canda one (i live in Canada) allows me to ahve a repair status.
How do i unregister a console? lol
Post by: R3volt on November 10, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
QUOTE(R3volt @ Nov 10 2009, 03:09 PM)
Backing up my NAND before I try. Any particular way to go about Live after I flash back to OFW?
nope just connect and hope for the best.. that's what I did yesterday..
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(R3volt @ Nov 10 2009, 03:09 PM)
Backing up my NAND before I try. Any particular way to go about Live after I flash back to OFW?
What does this do?
EDIT:
Now that i acutally look at my 360, my case has a different serial number then when i check in Settings.
The Serial Number on my 360 case registers to an Elite (which i have) and does NOT have the 54420 error.
The Serial number on my 360 settings registers to a pro (which i DO NOT) have and HAS the 54420 error.
IM SO CONFUSED!
Post by: nfidel on November 10, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 09:25 PM)
What does this do?
Restoring the NAND allows you to install games back onto the HDD.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Terdinglage on November 10, 2009, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: Flyaway on November 10, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Nov 10 2009, 08:50 PM)
I've flashed my 360 back to stock and am currently playing Left 4 Dead online, I'll keep this thread updated as to whether or not I get unflagged.
I was going to do this myself but I've decided against it for two reasons; 1) the code could mean I'm already banned, which would mean as soon as I connect it up I lose all HD functionality and corrupt all my saves etc., and 2) only two people have had success un54420ing themselves so far - at least one person has been banned in the middle of attempting it.
I've been thinking, could the error code mean that there's been an error in communicating with the box (i.e. it got banned and now the US site can't check the status of it)? Some people are still playing away with that error code, and that's what I find fishy. But then I suppose I haven't heard of any legit 360s getting that error so...
This post has been edited by Flyaway: Nov 10 2009, 10:27 PM
Post by: BanditRW on November 10, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
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Post by: nfidel on November 10, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:23 PM)
How long do you have this supposed error before you get banned?
no one knows, god knows how long anyone here has been flagged
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: izaven715 on November 10, 2009, 04:36:00 PM
And you get the error right after you click request a repair right? not after submitting form?
I'm getting white blank page when I go to the repair page
This post has been edited by izaven715: Nov 11 2009, 12:40 AM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 10, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:35 PM)
xbox.com seems to having some issues. Most of the time I am getting blank pages when I try to check my repair status or warranty status.
just great... everyone seems to be hammering the damn page lol...
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 10, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 11 2009, 12:38 AM)
just great... everyone seems to be hammering the damn page lol...
Up until now only the "My Information" page would be blank.
Post by: R3volt on November 10, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: izaven715 on November 10, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
QUOTE(R3volt @ Nov 11 2009, 12:51 AM)
Heh, got banned as soon as I logged on. Seems to be hit or miss so far. PS3 until the dust settles.
did you get the error or no?
Post by: R3volt on November 10, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: dumbloserme on November 10, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(R3volt @ Nov 10 2009, 07:26 PM)
Yeah. Both of my consoles got the 54420 error so I decided to flash one back to OFW. Put in a retail game but right as I signed on the banhammer got me.
How long was this system not online before you flashed it back to the OFW?
Post by: Terdinglage on November 10, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Flyaway @ Nov 10 2009, 04:27 PM)
I was going to do this myself but I've decided against it for two reasons; 1) the code could mean I'm already banned, which would mean as soon as I connect it up I lose all HD functionality and corrupt all my saves etc., and 2) only two people have had success un54420ing themselves so far - at least one person has been banned in the middle of attempting it.
I've been thinking, could the error code mean that there's been an error in communicating with the box (i.e. it got banned and now the US site can't check the status of it)? Some people are still playing away with that error code, and that's what I find fishy. But then I suppose I haven't heard of any legit 360s getting that error so...
If I get banned and my HD gets nuked, could it be fixed by swapping it out with a new HD?
Post by: bedojunkmail on November 10, 2009, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Nov 11 2009, 12:51 AM)
If I get banned and my HD gets nuked, could it be fixed by swapping it out with a new HD?
No. The "saving games to hard drive" feature is disabled in the banned console, in the NAND. The hard drive is fine and can be used in a non-banned console.
Post by: bakageta on November 10, 2009, 07:04:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 10 2009, 09:25 PM)
What does this do?
EDIT:
Now that i acutally look at my 360, my case has a different serial number then when i check in Settings.
The Serial Number on my 360 case registers to an Elite (which i have) and does NOT have the 54420 error.
The Serial number on my 360 settings registers to a pro (which i DO NOT) have and HAS the 54420 error.
IM SO CONFUSED!
Sounds like someone bought your elite before you and swapped it out...
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(bakageta @ Nov 10 2009, 09:04 PM)
Sounds like someone bought your elite before you and swapped it out...
Now that i think about it, before i got into the 360 scene i had some guy mod it for me. He fucked he mod up and had to give it to someone else to fix. But before i sent it away i wrote down the serial numbers on my 360 case and my 360 drive so i know i go tmy shit back. I got it back and it was all working. So i guess the guy gave me a new mobo?
But how could all my settings be back to normal once i poped my 360 HDD back in?
Wouldnt i have to recover my avatar? Pretty sure i didnt do that...
EDIT: Id also like to inform you guys that ive been playing Gears online for almost 4 hours now lol
This post has been edited by zoltrix2590: Nov 11 2009, 03:09 AM
Post by: R3volt on November 10, 2009, 07:09:00 PM
QUOTE(dumbloserme @ Nov 10 2009, 07:27 PM)
How long was this system not online before you flashed it back to the OFW?
Last day of October. Day after banning started so maybe that has something to do with it. My other console hasn't been used in a month but its a Liteon so can't get back to OFW. Keeping that offline until the new firmware, maybe just maybe.
Post by: bakageta on November 10, 2009, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:08 AM)
Now that i think about it, before i got into the 360 scene i had some guy mod it for me. He fucked he mod up and had to give it to someone else to fix. But before i sent it away i wrote down the serial numbers on my 360 case and my 360 drive so i know i go tmy shit back. I got it back and it was all working. So i guess the guy gave me a new mobo?
But how could all my settings be back to normal once i poped my 360 HDD back in?
Wouldnt i have to recover my avatar? Pretty sure i didnt do that...
EDIT: Id also like to inform you guys that ive been playing Gears online for almost 4 hours now lol
Nope, everything would be fine except for XBLA titles or the divx update. Those would be fine as long as you were signed into live, but offline they wouldn't work. If you didn't have any xbla games or the divx update before you got a different mobo, you'd never know the difference.
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(bakageta @ Nov 10 2009, 09:20 PM)
Nope, everything would be fine except for XBLA titles or the divx update. Those would be fine as long as you were signed into live, but offline they wouldn't work. If you didn't have any xbla games or the divx update before you got a different mobo, you'd never know the difference.
Wow alright well i feel stupid now. I never thought to check the software serial #. Not that it matters, but i feel like i got scammed lol
Post by: DarkEvilKen on November 10, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
QUOTE(R3volt @ Nov 10 2009, 09:09 PM)
Backing up my NAND before I try. Any particular way to go about Live after I flash back to OFW?
Hi R3volt
Can you briefly explain the steps and materials needed to back up your NAND. Could you also point me to any reference material such as a tutorial. Thanks
Post by: realitybytes on November 10, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Anyway, for this restoring back to original firmware we are basically assuming that the console is indeed making some sort of checks against the system how and what checks we dont know but the deciding factor is that only original firmware will pass.
There are a couple of senarios around this, they could be queued up checks that are initiated remotely or they are done locally on the console and stored. If they are indeed done locally and stored then it might be worthwhile not connecting back to xbl until a good number of hours after playing an original or several game(s) on stock firmware to allow the local storage to update with good results, then allowing for this data to be published to xbl.
I would suggest it cannot do any harm doing the above, and even if they are done remotely it still might use some local store it requests the results from.
One thing is that the sample is far too small to draw any conclusions from, I hope more will try this method. One success and one ban is nothing to make of just yet too many presumptions as too the reasons.
This post has been edited by realitybytes: Nov 11 2009, 05:27 AM
Post by: hollowtip on November 10, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
Hoping this isn't a legit method for testing if you're "flagged" but it's looking like it is.
This post has been edited by hollowtip: Nov 11 2009, 06:32 AM
Post by: Murteira_Nabo on November 10, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: freezerburn26 on November 11, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 11, 2009, 01:55:00 AM
QUOTE(freezerburn26 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:48 AM)
So, if we're flagged, we should unmod?
And dare reconnect back to live and play a bit of retail and hope to get unflagged..
I did it yesterday afternoon and haven't been unflagged so far, I am waiting til tomorrow noon and hope that they took me off the list, I doubt it'll work for me but if I am not unflagged I won't be taking this 360 back online since it'll just get ban hammered eventually and soon rather than later.
Toddler got really lucky it seems ;p , i'm sure he'll update all of us in the coming days if anything changes for him.
This post has been edited by DiscoveryX360: Nov 11 2009, 09:58 AM
Post by: Murteira_Nabo on November 11, 2009, 02:06:00 AM
How are you flagged? Did you register you console AND get the 54420 error, or just used a direct link to repair the console with the serial?
Post by: Derfuhrer on November 11, 2009, 04:56:00 AM
I did not connect to live (or even use the 360) until tonight...whereby I restored to stock and tried to connect (no disk in drive)...BANNED! So in conclusion I was flagged after Oct28 sometime.
Lads I suspect that there is prob too many console to ban at once and the waves are still coming...watch it
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 11, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Murteira_Nabo @ Nov 11 2009, 04:06 AM)
@DiscoveryX360:
How are you flagged? Did you register you console AND get the 54420 error, or just used a direct link to repair the console with the serial?
How are you flagged? Did you register you console AND get the 54420 error, or just used a direct link to repair the console with the serial?
Registered and clicked request repair, still get the error.
Post by: brunoheart on November 11, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
My Xbox is well over three years of age & out of warranty.Tried the tecnique with registering & trying to send it in for RROD repair & all I got was it was out the 3 year warranty so got a page with credit card details ect.
I have played umpteen games early tho not online, but have went live with certain games acheivements, the thing is I havent been "Live" for about two & a half weeks playing games except for briefly signing in when streaming movies then disconnecting.
A right few of my pals have been done-all their boxes were in the 3 YR warranty schedule.
I just signed in again expecting the ban & did the connection test & got
Z:0000 00000
Never seen this before anywhere, so signed out again.
What do you think & Im game to be a guinea pig for "testing reasons" as I have alrady decided to get an new Elite.
Post by: Nailed on November 11, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
Any ideas why my banned 360 says Warranty Status: Standard Warranty Expired and appears to allow me to submit it for repair?
Post by: quazy on November 11, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: Nailed on November 11, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
QUOTE(quazy @ Nov 12 2009, 01:59 AM)
Are you using a local support site rather than the US one nailed?
Doh, I was... showing 54420 now. Thanks. So would local support actually take a banned 360?
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 11, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Nailed @ Nov 11 2009, 09:10 PM)
Doh, I was... showing 54420 now. Thanks. So would local support actually take a banned 360?
this is whats confusing me. Who cares i get an error on the US website, i live in Canada...
Post by: Nailed on November 11, 2009, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 02:16 AM)
this is whats confusing me. Who cares i get an error on the US website, i live in Canada...
Don't know if its relevant, but I live in the US. I wonder what would happen if I submitted the banned 360 for RROD repair.
Post by: garyopa on November 11, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:35 PM)
xbox.com seems to having some issues. Most of the time I am getting blank pages when I try to check my repair status or warranty status.
God, when are people going to see, that 54420 error, blank pages, etc. -- Is no way a legit way to check if your ban or not.
The poor little xbox.com webserver/database, can not handle 600K+ people logging in to try to send in their banned console, along with 2 million or so reading this thread, trying to request a repair to see if they are banned or not.
I bet within a few days, M$ will either takedown the whole online "request a repair" or start banning gamertags that hammer or fraudly "request" repairs for known banned consoles, or various other reasons.
They could claim you are trying to hack their service or system, by causing overload in their warranty/repair service, and just BAN YOUR ASS TOTALLY!
(Just my random thoughts of the night)
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 11, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 12 2009, 05:11 AM)
God, when are people going to see, that 54420 error, blank pages, etc. -- Is no way a legit way to check if your ban or not.
The poor little xbox.com webserver/database, can not handle 600K+ people logging in to try to send in their banned console, along with 2 million or so reading this thread, trying to request a repair to see if they are banned or not.
I bet within a few days, M$ will either takedown the whole online "request a repair" or start banning gamertags that hammer or fraudly "request" repairs for known banned consoles, or various other reasons.
They could claim you are trying to hack their service or system, by causing overload in their warranty/repair service, and just BAN YOUR ASS TOTALLY!
(Just my random thoughts of the night)
I believe this is called a DoS (Denial of Service) attack.
Post by: garyopa on November 11, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:18 PM)
Yet they are completely wrong, the repair request TELLS you pretty much that you are banned, MS themselves state on their banwave FAQ that anyone banned cannot request a REPAIR even for a FEE, aka YOU can't even pay them to take your banned **** for repairs, don't talk about what you do not know.
I was talking about the fact that some people are reporting this error, then next minute or two later, not getting an error, but blank page, or next minute or two getting warranty info.
I am just randoming thinking that M$ little webbox might not be able to always handle the server load, with all these million's of modded consoles, trying to see if they are banned or not using the "request" a repair.
I am sure M$ will soon resolve this, by either taking the feature offline or improving it.\
I know you can't request a repair or even pay for them, that is the price you pay for modding your console.
Post by: garyopa on November 11, 2009, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE(realitybytes @ Nov 11 2009, 11:23 PM)
What could they possibly determine from somebody filling out a repair request form but not actually completing?
Sure they will be able to query their database and see who has not completed but where do they go from there?
Seriously think about it for a second, you will quickly realise nothing/nowhere.
Well for one thing?
To request a repair, you need to be logged into your LIVE Gamertag! Right?
Next you need to select your matching console by serial number! Right?
If M$ looks into their error logs, and sees person "IaMaBadApple", and they tried to "request" a repair,
lets say about hundred times in an hour for a know banned box, they might decide this person is doing
a DOS attack on their server, etc. and ban their "Gamertag" also.
Just a friendly warning, that's all.
Post by: realitybytes on November 11, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 12 2009, 05:27 AM)
Well for one thing?
To request a repair, you need to be logged into your LIVE Gamertag! Right?
Next you need to select your matching console by serial number! Right?
If M$ looks into their error logs, and sees person "IaMaBadApple", and they tried to "request" a repair,
lets say about hundred times in an hour for a know banned box, they might decide this person is doing
a DOS attack on their server, etc. and ban their "Gamertag" also.
Just a friendly warning, that's all.
Oh come on seriously, now it is in the realms of make believe senarios who is going to bother doing that. Chances are you fill it out you see the page. If you decide to check back it will in noway be in the numbers you are talking about.
It is just not realistic.
Post by: thebutcher on November 11, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
I put in a few retail games and left the console on and connected to live through the night. Today I have been turning the console on and off, while swapping retail games and booting them. I was still receiving the 54420 error.
About an hour ago, I turned on my console, and the profile auto-signed in, but it didn't connect to Live. I tried connecting, and sure enough, the ban message had popped up.
I just wish I had left my box offline and modded, so I could install games and saves would not get corrupted.
Post by: garyopa on November 11, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE(realitybytes @ Nov 11 2009, 11:31 PM)
Oh come on seriously, now it is in the realms of make believe senarios who is going to bother doing that. Chances are you fill it out you see the page. If you decide to check back it will in noway be in the numbers you are talking about.
It is just not realistic.
Normally not, but we are talking about upset x360 owners, the same ones maybe that decide to call and threaten an xbox live employee.
When we are dealing with x360, M$, 20 million users playing make believe games, nothing is "realistic"!
Post by: chorizo1 on November 11, 2009, 09:38:00 PM
QUOTE(thebutcher @ Nov 11 2009, 10:34 PM)
I just wish I had left my box offline and modded, so I could install games and saves would not get corrupted.
yep you should have.
saves aren't corrupted though. look around.
Post by: thebutcher on November 11, 2009, 09:44:00 PM
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:38 PM)
yep you should have.
saves aren't corrupted though. look around.
They are if you transfer them from banned to unbanned. Same with Xbox Live accounts. You have to recover it if you use it on a banned console. Therefore, achievements on a banned console will never end up on Xbox Live.
Edit: I looked around. I guess the save itself doesn't corrupt, just the gamertag.
Post by: chorizo1 on November 11, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(thebutcher @ Nov 11 2009, 10:44 PM)
They are if you transfer them from banned to unbanned. Same with Xbox Live accounts. You have to recover it if you use it on a banned console. Therefore, achievements on a banned console will never end up on Xbox Live.
Edit: I was looking around. I guess the save itself doesn't corrupt, just the gamertag.
recover your gamer tag on new xbox w/o hdd connected, when done connect hdd, and they work. i did the content transfer too, but that was because my cod maps weren't working.
Post by: Toddler on November 12, 2009, 04:38:00 AM
Needless to say, I'm back to thinking I'm flagged for a ban, and I wish I'd never posted my experience, seeing how it may have encouraged some of you guys to take a chance.
Looks like Microsoft has won this round big time.
Post by: BanditRW on November 12, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 12, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 12 2009, 06:38 AM)
Everyone, I've had a brutal couple of days at work and haven't been online at all, didn't even come home last night, pulled a 40-hour shift (double sux cause I had MW2 in my car waiting to play). Anyway, I haven't turned on the 360 since Monday but I just checked my online status, and that 360 is back to showing the 54420 error. What really confuses me is I still am back to stock FW, so why did the flag clear and then come back? Maybe it's all just a random screw-up on my particular record or something.
Needless to say, I'm back to thinking I'm flagged for a ban, and I wish I'd never posted my experience, seeing how it may have encouraged some of you guys to take a chance.
Looks like Microsoft has won this round big time.
Needless to say, I'm back to thinking I'm flagged for a ban, and I wish I'd never posted my experience, seeing how it may have encouraged some of you guys to take a chance.
Looks like Microsoft has won this round big time.
Ouch son! Well that does it for me baby not connecting to live again, my experiment didn't work out either. Time to get a new xbox 360 and keep this baby offline.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 12, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: xrkahn76 on November 12, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 11 2009, 10:11 PM)
God, when are people going to see, that 54420 error, blank pages, etc. -- Is no way a legit way to check if your ban or not.
The poor little xbox.com webserver/database, can not handle 600K+ people logging in to try to send in their banned console, along with 2 million or so reading this thread, trying to request a repair to see if they are banned or not.
I bet within a few days, M$ will either takedown the whole online "request a repair" or start banning gamertags that hammer or fraudly "request" repairs for known banned consoles, or various other reasons.
They could claim you are trying to hack their service or system, by causing overload in their warranty/repair service, and just BAN YOUR ASS TOTALLY!
(Just my random thoughts of the night)
I have registered all the consoles in my family, under my name and account.
my original banned unit, now sitting at a friends for his 12 yo who is not allowed online- 54420 error
My current Xbox-modded -54420 error
My mom's Xbox- not modded, replaced w/ new console by M$ after rrod repair- 54420 error
My friends xbox-modded-54420 error
My other friends xbox- not modded- able to submit repair
Outside of the one they replaced, The 54420 error seems to fit. Could I have gotten one back that the previous owner flashed then un-flashed?
This is all crazy, but one thing is for certain, My mom's was never modded and now it needs repair again. I guess I have to call in.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 12, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(DiscoveryX360 @ Nov 12 2009, 10:16 PM)
not a big deal baby J, we must accept our fate. GG MS you won lol
We bow before our new overlords
My xbox has not been banned yet.
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 12, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(xrkahn76 @ Nov 12 2009, 05:02 PM)
I have registered all the consoles in my family, under my name and account.
my original banned unit, now sitting at a friends for his 12 yo who is not allowed online- 54420 error
My current Xbox-modded -54420 error
My mom's Xbox- not modded, replaced w/ new console by M$ after rrod repair- 54420 error
My friends xbox-modded-54420 error
My other friends xbox- not modded- able to submit repair
Outside of the one they replaced, The 54420 error seems to fit. Could I have gotten one back that the previous owner flashed then un-flashed?
This is all crazy, but one thing is for certain, My mom's was never modded and now it needs repair again. I guess I have to call in.
you're mom has an xbox?
Post by: xrkahn76 on November 12, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 12 2009, 04:27 PM)
you're mom has an xbox?
yes it was easier to get it for her for netflix and so my nephew has something to play when he visits
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 12, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(xrkahn76 @ Nov 12 2009, 05:32 PM)
yes it was easier to get it for her for netflix and so my nephew has something to play when he visits
Oh true say.
And damn, i hate how you cant edit old posts...
****your
Post by: GMSkel on November 12, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: BanditRW on November 12, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: chorizo1 on November 12, 2009, 06:07:00 PM