Post by: KingSmokey on November 08, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
console 1 is modded, but NOT banned. Play games on this machine.
console 2 is unmodded, new, clean and fresh. Take HDD you just used on console 1 and put it in console 2.
Will achievements you got on console 1 count? Will things corrupt? Will M$ be able to tell what you are doing?
My friends and I had a big achievement contest going. Once you get over losing masses of easy achievements, only playing a few online games and then everything else for free and offline isn't a big deal to me, but my friends who haven't gotten banned yet are wondering if this is possible.
Maybe someone should give this a try and see how it works.
Thanks to anyone who knows.
King
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(KingSmokey @ Nov 8 2009, 07:08 PM) 
I've seen a couple different people ask this.
console 1 is modded, but NOT banned. Play games on this machine.
console 2 is unmodded, new, clean and fresh. Take HDD you just used on console 1 and put it in console 2.
Will achievements you got on console 1 count? Will things corrupt? Will M$ be able to tell what you are doing?
My friends and I had a big achievement contest going. Once you get over losing masses of easy achievements, only playing a few online games and then everything else for free and offline isn't a big deal to me, but my friends who haven't gotten banned yet are wondering if this is possible.
Maybe someone should give this a try and see how it works.
Thanks to anyone who knows.
King
Thanks for posting this, I made a similar post in other threads. Most people seem to think there should be no problem by doing this as long as your modded is unbanned. Looking forward to others opinions.
Here are some quotes I gathered regarding this topic.
"I have 2 360s, 1 modded 1 not-modded. The modded one last connected to Live on Oct 30, but when the bannings started I unplugged it permanently. I suspect the modded one is banned, but I haven't connected it to Live to find out (and never will). So far I have been able to plug my HDD in the modded one then when I want to play online I swap the HDD to the unmodded. No corruption or anything (yet), and I can still upload achievements. So it works.
Whether it's safe or not, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be - the console that does connect to live is 100% legit so I don't see how they could ban it."
"You'll be perfectly fine, it's only the banning that kills things on the hard drive. If you're modded but not banned you're perfectly fine swapping it between systems even if the only thing you use that method for is to update your gamerscore online haha."
Post by: KingSmokey on November 08, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
And to further the question, no information is stored on the HDD that is "not wanted"? Only simple profiles, game saves, etc?
How would this work with downloaded content and arcade stuff?
This post has been edited by KingSmokey: Nov 9 2009, 02:25 AM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(KingSmokey @ Nov 8 2009, 07:24 PM)
I figured there's a lot of people in this situation, and this question definitely seemed to warrant it's own discussion.
Agreed. This may be a good solution for a lot of people out there. I don't know why more people aren't discussing this.
The only thing I can think of that will cause a problem is maybe games saves and achievements that appear on the HDD pre release?
Post by: KingSmokey on November 08, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
QUOTE(KingSmokey @ Nov 8 2009, 07:33 PM)
Just don't play em early still. I thought this was a rule anyway.
Its a rule I stuck by when I was avoiding getting a BAN but now with a modded console that is not connected to Live anymore I don't know if it matters as much. Maybe use a memory card for pre release play to keep the HDD happy?
Post by: KingSmokey on November 08, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 07:03:00 PM
"i think as long as your older console has never been 'officially' banned, then all your saves, achievements and what not will continue to work just fine between the two unbanned consoles (old / new). trouble comes in when you try to use a banned console for offline play for saves, achievements, etc and then move those to an unbanned console. your profile will appear corrupted on the unbanned console.
so again, as long as your old console has never been 'officially' banned, your profiles should work fine between the old (unbanned) and the new (unbanned) console. i think it's the dlc content that is tied to individual consoles."
Post by: KingSmokey on November 08, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
QUOTE(KingSmokey @ Nov 8 2009, 08:27 PM)
Thanks ferrari. I know a few achievement wh0r3s who will be very happy to hear that.
No problem, I am just a noob sharing what I have learned. I wish some others would post their opinions on this.
Post by: foxdie on November 08, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
Put the hdd on the modded that is offline and rack up achievments then take that same hdd to the STOCK and update the profile.
AND TOSS YOUR BANNED xbox 360.
Post by: foxdie on November 08, 2009, 08:14:00 PM
1 Banned Console and 1 New Console.
Disgard the HDD that was used on the banned 360. Recover the profile on the New 360 with the new HDD. Take the new HDD to the banned offline console, rack up achievements, then put it back on the New 360.
Can MS tell that this new HDD was put on a Banned Console once you put it back on the New 360?
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
QUOTE(foxdie @ Nov 8 2009, 09:14 PM)
What about this:
1 Banned Console and 1 New Console.
Disgard the HDD that was used on the banned 360. Recover the profile on the New 360 with the new HDD. Take the new HDD to the banned offline console, rack up achievements, then put it back on the New 360.
Can MS tell that this new HDD was put on a Banned Console once you put it back on the New 360?
I want to say the banned 360 corrupts the files.. but not 100% sure.
Post by: DiscoveryX360 on November 08, 2009, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 08, 2009, 11:31:00 PM
here is how I phrased the question in another thread
"I disconnected my NOT banned modded 360 and purchased an Arcade 360 which I plan to use on Live and it will never be modded. Can I just swap my HDD between them? Lets say I want to play my backup of a single player game on my NOT banned modded 360. I save games and get achievements. Then I plug that same HDD into my stock 360 and play a retail online multiplayer game. Does anyone see any risk in this?"
Post by: Hotsauce0034 on November 08, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
Post by: Pedroshin on November 09, 2009, 12:21:00 AM
QUOTE(ferrari 360 @ Nov 9 2009, 02:03 AM) 
From another thread
i think it's the dlc content that is tied to individual consoles."
Could you explain that, "tied"? Do you mean we have to buy or download all the DLC again??
Or do we just transfer the license to the new unmodded console and the DLC that is already in the HDD can be used just fine?
This post has been edited by Pedroshin: Nov 9 2009, 08:22 AM
Post by: erod550 on November 09, 2009, 12:29:00 AM
As for DLC, some of it doesn't care which machine you use it on, while other DLC will only work on the console it was downloaded on and may also require a connection to Xbox Live. Prince of Persia is an example of DLC that I tried downloading on an unbanned box and playing on a banned launch console many months ago and it would not play on the banned console. There's no one rule for DLC though, some works on other boxes some doesn't.
This post has been edited by erod550: Nov 9 2009, 08:30 AM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 09, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
QUOTE(erod550 @ Nov 9 2009, 01:29 AM)
I've been doing what the OP is asking since the 2007 ban wave right before Halo 3 dropped up until about a month ago when banned consoles started corrupting things. Now, if the console is banned, you cannot switch between it and an unmodded console because your gamertag and saves will be corrupted by the banned console. It should work fine with a modified unbanned console though. The consoles only corrupt gamertags and saves once they realize they are banned.
As for DLC, some of it doesn't care which machine you use it on, while other DLC will only work on the console it was downloaded on and may also require a connection to Xbox Live. Prince of Persia is an example of DLC that I tried downloading on an unbanned box and playing on a banned launch console many months ago and it would not play on the banned console. There's no one rule for DLC though, some works on other boxes some doesn't.
I can not thank you enough! This is exactly the info I am looking for. I disconnected my modded 360 to avoid a ban and picked up a legit system for Online play, Very glad I do not need another HDD.
Post by: opal on November 09, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
Post by: majinsoftware on November 09, 2009, 01:41:00 AM
Post by: aWholeNewMe on November 09, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
QUOTE
Its already been figured out that you can restore hd functionality with restoring a backup of your nand that you made before being banned. This is all a moot point since microsoft adds banned consoles to a list included with each update including on game discs. Which means if you restore your 360 to hd install functionality with restore of nand, the next update on a game disc or a friends hd will disable it again. Google. Crl.bin revoked consoles list update.
SO if this is true, is it not possible (although I have not heard of it yet), that my 360 is already flagged, and possibly already marked for ban. So even though it has not been banned yet, and will never connect to live, it COULD get banned from playing a new game or receiving the "ban" list from the HDD used on the un-modded Xbox 360?
Post by: foxhunt99 on November 09, 2009, 10:29:00 AM
Post by: aWholeNewMe on November 09, 2009, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(foxhunt99 @ Nov 9 2009, 12:29 PM)
MS will probably add some kind of check on game disc itself, so if even you use a backup offline on a unbanned modded console it will somehow figure it out, and save the info and send to MS next time when you connect to a live using a unmodded console.
Yes but will it then send the ban to my HD (or new game disk) and ban my offline console the next time the HD is attached?
This would mean flagged consoles (and we have no idea if we are flagged or not so any modded system that played on Live) that never go online anymore would still be under constant threat of being banned at any time when doing any of the following -
- Playing a new game
- Using a HD from a unmodded system that goes on Live
- Updating dashboard from USB
This post has been edited by aWholeNewMe: Nov 9 2009, 06:53 PM
Post by: 3-ranger on November 09, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
Not to copy older savegames (played pre-releases and active.iso) from an unbanned-offline xbox to another online-unflashed xbox?
In that case i could be that microsoft banned a second time?
Post by: ryochan on November 09, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
I would actually even push further and ask if it's 100% safe to play offline a non banned flashed 360, and online legit 360, with both machines having their own hard drives, and I would just swap my profile on a memory card.
Any thoughts on this method?
Thanks
Post by: Sms4001 on November 09, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: kalon on November 09, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Sms4001 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:15 PM)
Hey so i am a little confused I have an arcade that just got banned (its got 256 mem built in and a 120gb HD) I have saves for games on both of them. If i transfer the saves to a new console.. will they work with my profile when i recover it on the new console? I was level 49 on borderlands when i got banned and I am really hoping that the saves will work!
If you logged into Live and got the ban message, then your saves will be corrupt. If you found out you were banned or assumed you were banned and boycotted Live before this happened, presumably your saves are fine.
This post has been edited by kalon: Nov 9 2009, 10:33 PM
Post by: drewZen on November 09, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(kalon @ Nov 9 2009, 09:32 PM)
If you logged into Live and got the ban message, then your saves will be corrupt. If you found out you were banned or assumed you were banned and boycotted Live before this happened, presumably your saves are fine.
I can confirm this, my gamertag and gamesaves were corrupt when i plugged my hdd into an unbanned 360. Also all my arcade purchases turned to trial. I have not tried to recover gamertag on unbanned console yet to see if saves will be ok... anyone else have some on hands info to this? And i assume you can just redownload purchased games once gamertag is recovered.
This post has been edited by drewZen: Nov 9 2009, 10:46 PM
Post by: mhouldey on November 09, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(foxhunt99 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:29 PM)
MS will probably add some kind of check on game disc itself, so if even you use a backup offline on a unbanned modded console it will somehow figure it out, and save the info and send to MS next time when you connect to a live using a unmodded console.
Yes, but this isn't against the ToS as far as I can see. Playing backups on a modded console and originals on Live on another console is not against the ToS. I'm not saying MS wouldn't ban you, but you shouldn't be banned, as I don't see what rule you are breaking.
I'm sure someone wil chirp in with something from the moral highground. All I am interested in is a good argument as to why the unmodified console deserves to be banned.
QUOTE(aWholeNewMe @ Nov 9 2009, 05:53 PM)
Yes but will it then send the ban to my HD (or new game disk) and ban my offline console the next time the HD is attached?
This would mean flagged consoles (and we have no idea if we are flagged or not so any modded system that played on Live) that never go online anymore would still be under constant threat of being banned at any time when doing any of the following -
- Playing a new game
- Using a HD from a unmodded system that goes on Live
- Updating dashboard from USB
I think it is clear that nobody has been banned without being connected to Live (read: while trying to connect to or while currently using Live). Therefore, I find it unlikely that an unbanned console which has been permanently taken offline would ever get banned by any means. I don't believe the HDD would ever transfer some kind of banning software and I don't believe that an original game would ever contain such software.
I have no proof, but it seems logical (to me) to believe what I do.
Post by: sandeman22 on November 09, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(drewZen @ Nov 9 2009, 10:45 PM)
I can confirm this, my gamertag and gamesaves were corrupt when i plugged my hdd into an unbanned 360. Also all my arcade purchases turned to trial. I have not tried to recover gamertag on unbanned console yet to see if saves will be ok... anyone else have some on hands info to this? And i assume you can just redownload purchased games once gamertag is recovered.
My question exactly, and how to recover your gamertag ?
On xbox.com i saw something to transfer your licenses, is this included gamertag (xbox live membership) and gamedata ?
Is it possible to play with my "old" gamertag on my new 360 ?
This post has been edited by sandeman22: Nov 9 2009, 11:38 PM
Post by: CHLSE on November 09, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
JUST GOT BANNED AND IM STILL ABLE TO PLAY GAMES FORM HDD!!
Post by: sandeman22 on November 10, 2009, 05:31:00 AM
Just got of the phone with xbox-support, they cant give any guarantee dat my new not modded xbox wil not be banned by recovering my gamertag from the banned one
Post by: johnnie360 on November 10, 2009, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: pesaddict on November 10, 2009, 01:42:00 PM
got a legit copy of mw2 got 5 achievements if i were to buy a unmodded 360 would the hdd from then banned 360 be useless now
Post by: AbsintheMinded on November 10, 2009, 02:21:00 PM
The only thing I'm weary off, is using the activate.iso. This is very n00bish, but is any *other* data stored on the HDD? I would hate to play using the activate.iso and have it transfer information to my legit console and it be banned.
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 10, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(AbsintheMinded @ Nov 10 2009, 03:21 PM)
Thanks so much for this topic! I currently have a setup similar to the ones mentioned (1 modded arcade console - NEVER logged into live, never had ethernet plugged into it, and 1 legit retail Elite for online play). So far, I've transferred the HDD back and forth a few times a day with no issues.
The only thing I'm weary off, is using the activate.iso. This is very n00bish, but is any *other* data stored on the HDD? I would hate to play using the activate.iso and have it transfer information to my legit console and it be banned.
Thanks for posting this, good to know!
Post by: felizpicano on November 10, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
QUOTE(ryochan @ Nov 9 2009, 09:18 PM)
Great topic!
I would actually even push further and ask if it's 100% safe to play offline a non banned flashed 360, and online legit 360, with both machines having their own hard drives, and I would just swap my profile on a memory card.
Any thoughts on this method?
Thanks
This is also the setup that I'm thinking about using. Any one else have experience with it or opinions on how it would turn out?
Post by: pesaddict on November 10, 2009, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Kdawg22 on November 10, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The thing I'm wondering about is copying the gamertag back and forward from an unbanned modded Xbox that never goes online to an unmodded one that does go on live. By this I mean copying the gamertag using a memory card and leaving the hard drives in their respective 360's. It was mentioned a few times but pretty much overlooked.
Basically the only way that you could get banned this way would be if Microsoft put code in the games to check the status of your firmware and save it to your gamertag file. I dont think that this is not possible but I feel like it would be a pretty shady move on Microsoft's part. Like I saw mentioned earlier, you could take your gamertag to a friend's house and not know their Xbox was modded.
I'm am hoping that they just stick to banning consoles that are modded and log on to live. I could understand if they put code in the games to check if your console was modded and block offline achievements but I think it would be a step too far if they banned every console the gamertag was copied back to.
Post by: SlayerQC on November 10, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
QUOTE(ferrari 360 @ Nov 8 2009, 07:39 PM)
No problem, I am just a noob sharing what I have learned. I wish some others would post their opinions on this.
Would be awesome if we could get actual results from actualtests.
Opinions are great but may be wrong.
(I would if I could but I accidently fried my dvd drive just when the bans started to happen, stopping me from logging on xbox live but forced me to come here for tips which may have saved my xbox from bans. thank you xbox scene!)
**edit: I see some results have been posted. More results appreciated. Thank you.
QUOTE(foxdie @ Nov 8 2009, 08:01 PM)
People could buy 2 new consoles, MOD 1 for offline and use the other STOCK for Live.
Put the hdd on the modded that is offline and rack up achievments then take that same hdd to the STOCK and update the profile.
AND TOSS YOUR BANNED xbox 360.
That would presumably work for banned consoles. So far nothing points that it would be necessary to get rid of the modded xbox if it's unbanned.
.
QUOTE(foxdie @ Nov 8 2009, 08:14 PM)
What about this:
1 Banned Console and 1 New Console.
Disgard the HDD that was used on the banned 360. Recover the profile on the New 360 with the new HDD. Take the new HDD to the banned offline console, rack up achievements, then put it back on the New 360.
Can MS tell that this new HDD was put on a Banned Console once you put it back on the New 360?
They can't "tell", but even if your new box was offline, the data on the hdd would be corrupted. This is the point of the disabling.
QUOTE(pesaddict @ Nov 10 2009, 01:42 PM)
so iam got banned today
got a legit copy of mw2 got 5 achievements if i were to buy a unmodded 360 would the hdd from then banned 360 be useless now
QUOTE(pesaddict @ Nov 10 2009, 04:39 PM)
so can i carry on playing mw2 on my banned 360 but when i get a unmodded 360 i put the hdd on that and carry on from i left off ?
I spent hours reading pages and pages of contents to figure out my issues and asnwer my own questions (where yours already has been answered many times, even in the main news..) and you come here, and simply ask us to answer you, TWICE, when this question ALREADY have been answered RIGHT ON THIS THREAD....
SEARCH AND READ A LITTLE BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS WITH OBVIOUS ANSWERS. This is thread pollution.
No one as answered you for a reason. Thank you.
Post by: SlayerQC on November 10, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
QUOTE(CHLSE @ Nov 9 2009, 03:45 PM)
JUST GOT BANNED AND IM STILL ABLE TO PLAY GAMES FORM HDD!!
Details?
QUOTE(drewZen @ Nov 9 2009, 02:45 PM)
I can confirm this, my gamertag and gamesaves were corrupt when i plugged my hdd into an unbanned 360. Also all my arcade purchases turned to trial. I have not tried to recover gamertag on unbanned console yet to see if saves will be ok... anyone else have some on hands info to this? And i assume you can just redownload purchased games once gamertag is recovered.
You're not saying if your xbox was banned or not.
If banned, it's normal. You should've research a bit to know your options.
If unbanned (which means possibly flagged), then we have to worry.
QUOTE(aWholeNewMe @ Nov 9 2009, 10:20 AM)
is it not possible (although I have not heard of it yet), that my 360 is already flagged, and possibly already marked for ban. So even though it has not been banned yet, and will never connect to live, it COULD get banned from playing a new game or receiving the "ban" list from the HDD used on the un-modded Xbox 360?
Wondering the same exact thing.
Anyone?
Post by: JAmerican on November 10, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
QUOTE(SlayerQC @ Nov 10 2009, 11:17 PM)
Details?
You're not saying if your xbox was banned or not.
If banned, it's normal. You should've research a bit to know your options.
If unbanned (which means possibly flagged), then we have to worry.
Wondering the same exact thing.
Anyone?
I've been telling the kamikaze idiots in the ABGX360 IRC channel this over and over. People kept saying "Your going to get banned anyway."
I appreciate the creation of this thread because it made me realize that people still have sense.
Keep the modded and unbanned console for Single Player and new unmodded console for Multiplayer.
Post by: tarektaha on November 10, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: AbsintheMinded on November 11, 2009, 07:50:00 AM
**edit** From what I see, everything is working just fine. I will continue to use my setup. I'm just worried about the wear and tear of constantly unplugging and re-plugging my HDD. =|
This post has been edited by AbsintheMinded: Nov 11 2009, 03:58 PM
Post by: felizpicano on November 11, 2009, 11:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Kdawg22 @ Nov 11 2009, 02:08 AM)
The thing I'm wondering about is copying the gamertag back and forward from an unbanned modded Xbox that never goes online to an unmodded one that does go on live. By this I mean copying the gamertag using a memory card and leaving the hard drives in their respective 360's. It was mentioned a few times but pretty much overlooked.
Basically the only way that you could get banned this way would be if Microsoft put code in the games to check the status of your firmware and save it to your gamertag file. I dont think that this is not possible but I feel like it would be a pretty shady move on Microsoft's part. Like I saw mentioned earlier, you could take your gamertag to a friend's house and not know their Xbox was modded.
I'm am hoping that they just stick to banning consoles that are modded and log on to live. I could understand if they put code in the games to check if your console was modded and block offline achievements but I think it would be a step too far if they banned every console the gamertag was copied back to.
I feel the same way. It doesn't seem like anyone who's visited this thread has tried this yet, though. I won't get the chance myself until next week. I'll let you know how it goes.
Post by: mattzane227 on November 12, 2009, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: AllSewnUp on November 12, 2009, 01:32:00 AM
BUT ONLY IF AS SOON AS YOU GET THE BAN MESSAGE YOU TURN YOUR CONSOLE OFF!
If you do this and do not start playing any games or use any saves then you can move the HDD to another console and the game saves will NOT be corrupted.
If you get banned then play a game....then ALL of yours saves will be corrupted.
If you are playing a game when you get banned it is 50/50.
I personally got banned turned my console off immediately and my saves were not corrupted on my non-modded console.
Just a heads up. This isn't 100% guaranteed to work as some people have said it works and some haven't, but it is worth a shot.
Also if you ever put your HDD back on your banned console it will corrupt it. This is a one time thing. You can never use the HDD on the banned console or else it will corrupt the game saves.
Post by: sandeman22 on November 12, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
QUOTE(robgazza @ Nov 13 2009, 12:18 AM)
for those of us who dodged the ban hammer
You're dodging nothing.......you are the next to ban.
Post by: robgazza on November 12, 2009, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(sandeman22 @ Nov 13 2009, 01:05 AM)
You're dodging nothing.......you are the next to ban.
drolleboxer
Post by: dennyy on November 12, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(opal @ Nov 9 2009, 02:29 AM)
What with the console that is modded but it has been banned a year ago? Can it still be used to gain achievements?
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Nov 9 2009, 02:41 AM)
Aslong as they dont have the last 2 updates.
i have an old console that has been banned a year ago, its on 2.0.7371.0 will i be able to recover my gamertag on a legit console and then use my banned console for achievements only. will i then be able to put my hdd back on the legit console with the updated gamerscore without it showing corrupted profile?
Post by: Chx77 on November 13, 2009, 05:02:00 AM
Imo it doesn't seem like you could get banned.. but then again with so many modded xboxes banned, who of those ppl (including me) haven't thought about this idea which the topic is about.. and who knows, maybe M$ can make something that can detect if the game saves are real or from backups...and then that would lead to GT ban even for life maybe...
Post by: Lisa Bonami on November 13, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
QUOTE(AllSewnUp @ Nov 12 2009, 03:32 AM)
You can EVEN use your HDD on your modded console if it has been banned!!!
BUT ONLY IF AS SOON AS YOU GET THE BAN MESSAGE YOU TURN YOUR CONSOLE OFF!
If you do this and do not start playing any games or use any saves then you can move the HDD to another console and the game saves will NOT be corrupted.
If you get banned then play a game....then ALL of yours saves will be corrupted.
If you are playing a game when you get banned it is 50/50.
I personally got banned turned my console off immediately and my saves were not corrupted on my non-modded console.
Just a heads up. This isn't 100% guaranteed to work as some people have said it works and some haven't, but it is worth a shot.
Also if you ever put your HDD back on your banned console it will corrupt it. This is a one time thing. You can never use the HDD on the banned console or else it will corrupt the game saves.
This is NOT true or the way you worded it is a bit confusing
.....you should be able to play ALL your game saves on a Banned console just fine as long as you dont try to plug your HDD into another system
Can someone please verify
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 13, 2009, 12:31:00 PM
I have been swapping HDD between my Modded (not banned) and legit Arcade and so far no problems to report. Only thing I should mention is as most of you know, you can NOT play games off the HDD that were installed on a different 360 then the one you are currently using.
Post by: Beetlebug on November 13, 2009, 12:43:00 PM
Just played Tekken 6, MW2 and Ben 10 something on my probably banned 360 and no problem getting achievements over to my new unflashed 360 on Live.
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 13, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Beetlebug @ Nov 13 2009, 01:43 PM)
I've been doing this. Just moving my profile using a memory unit between consoles.
Just played Tekken 6, MW2 and Ben 10 something on my probably banned 360 and no problem getting achievements over to my new unflashed 360 on Live.
So you have one HDD for each console and just move your profile around with the memory card? Do you have to recover the tag? or do you just put in the memory card and it automatically loads your profile?
Thanks!
Post by: Lisa Bonami on November 13, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
On your BANNED 360, the games that you had INSTALLED to your HDD obviously dont run off the HDD anymore but were you able to run those same games from the DVD drive and resume all your SAVED GAMES or did you also have to start all your SAVES over?
The reason I ask is because I have about 12 games installed to my HDD with progress for each of them saved so I wanted to know if I got BANNED, would I now also lose the ability to RESUME those games too?
Also I read in another post here that a couple of people just actually had their save games become corrupted after a few reloads of it AFTER their BAN (and they never tried to plug their HDD or load their profile into another Console ).....anyone experience THAT?
Post by: shaggymack on November 13, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
I do use the modded to play mostly legit games in another room of my house, I have played very few backups on it. This setup has worked fine for me so far but I'm still worried now with all the talk about save game corruption. If I start a game with a legit copy on my unmodded console and then move my HDD to the modded console and play the same legit copy could it corrupt my data? as far as I know the modded is unbanned since it has not been on live in over a year and it was unmodded then. Could they possibly release an offline ban in the future?
Post by: TheRat on November 13, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
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Post by: ferrari 360 on November 13, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Lisa Bonami @ Nov 13 2009, 02:35 PM)
Hey farrari, got a quick question for clarification (Im not banned yet)
On your BANNED 360, the games that you had INSTALLED to your HDD obviously dont run off the HDD anymore but were you able to run those same games from the DVD drive and resume all your SAVED GAMES or did you also have to start all your SAVES over?
The reason I ask is because I have about 12 games installed to my HDD with progress for each of them saved so I wanted to know if I got BANNED, would I now also lose the ability to RESUME those games too?
Also I read in another post here that a couple of people just actually had their save games become corrupted after a few reloads of it AFTER their BAN (and they never tried to plug their HDD or load their profile into another Console ).....anyone experience THAT?
I am not banned but I know it doesn't matter even if you go from legit console to legit console game installs only work on the console they were installed on.
Post by: drewZen on November 13, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
360 #1 - banned/hdd disabled/gamertag corrupt, game saves show 'unknown profile', all purchased arcade games turned to trial
360 #2 - unbanned ixtreme 1.61, not connected to live for over 2 months, passed a repair request from xbox.com. Also keeping the top case off for easy flash access
I flashed #2 back to original benq firmware. Took hdd from #1 and connected to #2. Logged into xboxlive successfully (phew!) I did gamertag recovery and put email/password but kept getting error saying 'xbox live signup currently unvailable'
So i deleted corrupt profile but kept items.. then cleared the cache (hdd options x,x, rb, lb, x, x if i remember correctly)
After that I re-entered info and got my gamertag back. All game saves now show my gamertag instead of unknown. All arcade purchases turned to full game from trial. I also confirmed any games you save AFTER you been banned will result in a corrupt gamesave. Other than that, game saves loaded fine.
So in theory I think you could rack up achievments from an unbanned flashed box then load to a retail box... but you might have to do gamertag recovery each time... not sure about gamertag/memory card as i dont have one. Also I really doubt gamesaves could record any type of data that would indicate FW or disc id info. Only risk would be timestamps on pre-release achievments....
Post by: Chx77 on November 14, 2009, 05:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Beetlebug @ Nov 13 2009, 08:43 PM)
I've been doing this. Just moving my profile using a memory unit between consoles.
Just played Tekken 6, MW2 and Ben 10 something on my probably banned 360 and no problem getting achievements over to my new unflashed 360 on Live.
That's nice to hear.. all im wondering now is if m$ could ban anyone doing that or if it doesn't really break any of all their rules etc
Post by: sparksr1976 on November 14, 2009, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Chx77 on November 14, 2009, 02:26:00 PM
My example - I'm online with my elite and talking to my friends in a party while playing my modded xbox and aswell getting achievements etc.. wouldn't I have to recover the gamertag everytime then on the unmodded xbox to not make it look suspicious with the gamerscore? (Meaning if I'd gone online with my modded xbox's harddrive, to update my gamerscore to something like 5650G and then after I'd go online with my same profile but on the unmodded xbox where my profile would have maybe 5300G only.. wouldn't that look bit weird to m$ then, since I then have less then what I should have according to the online servers for the profiles or w/e and the only safest way, would be then maybe to recover the GT on the unmodded xbox each time before i use the modded xbox's harddrive so I always get the gamerscore that's on the modded xbox's harddrive profile?
Post by: Chx77 on November 14, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: AnimeCommander on November 14, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Chx77 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:26 PM)
what about being online with one xbox and playing offline with the modded xbox?
My example - I'm online with my elite and talking to my friends in a party while playing my modded xbox and aswell getting achievements etc.. wouldn't I have to recover the gamertag everytime then on the unmodded xbox to not make it look suspicious with the gamerscore? (Meaning if I'd gone online with my modded xbox's harddrive, to update my gamerscore to something like 5650G and then after I'd go online with my same profile but on the unmodded xbox where my profile would have maybe 5300G only.. wouldn't that look bit weird to m$ then, since I then have less then what I should have according to the online servers for the profiles or w/e and the only safest way, would be then maybe to recover the GT on the unmodded xbox each time before i use the modded xbox's harddrive so I always get the gamerscore that's on the modded xbox's harddrive profile?
If your profile is recovered, you won't be able to sign in to Live on another box. If you log the mod box in to Live to update your score, you're up for a ban. But if you copy your profile via PC, then you could do what you described and your profile would update it's score. I would say that it's suspicious to be getting gamerscore on more than one 360 without recovery records. I wouldn't sign in to live on the mod box anyway and just transfer my profile to the stock box when I want to update. IE. Put the profile on a memory card and stock box's hard drive, get achievements using profile on memory card and mod box offline, disconnect stock box's hard drive, log in using memory card on stock box for score update, then pull memory card and put stock box's hard drive back; however stock box's profile will update on it's own and may still show as suspicious.
Honestly, achievements aren't worth all the hassle to me. I'm just keeping the boxes separate and will let each copy of my profile show different scores. I'm even thinking of just creating a new profile for offline use (mainly to stop the annoying "Cannot access Live" message from coming up when I log in even with the box not networked).
Post by: Chx77 on November 14, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: Dazik on November 15, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
The other thing I'm tempted to do is connect my modded one to my network and disable internet access on that machine via my router's MAC filter. My unmodded one would be connected as well and obviously permitted to to go online.
Now, with a setup like this, I could syslink the two and play on my home network. But I'm guessing that could be very risky if one of 360's is able to go online?
Post by: Archimond on November 15, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(KingSmokey @ Nov 9 2009, 02:08 AM)
console 1 is modded, but NOT banned. Play games on this machine.
console 2 is unmodded, new, clean and fresh. Take HDD you just used on console 1 and put it in console 2.
Now let's say I play unverified back ups or wave 3 games patched to wave 2 on console 1 in the example. Would it still be safe to move the HDD to console 2 and connect to live?
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 16, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Archimond @ Nov 15 2009, 02:36 PM)
Great topic, I was gonna ask this queston myself.
Now let's say I play unverified back ups or wave 3 games patched to wave 2 on console 1 in the example. Would it still be safe to move the HDD to console 2 and connect to live?
I don't think you will have any problems but no one knows for sure. I am picking up another HDD for my new 360 and plan to just swap profiles with a mem card.
Post by: robgazza on November 16, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: Archimond on November 16, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(ferrari 360 @ Nov 16 2009, 10:44 PM)
I don't think you will have any problems but no one knows for sure. I am picking up another HDD for my new 360 and plan to just swap profiles with a mem card.
Ok, thanks for the reply.
Post by: Ebizzle on November 16, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: rookie4sho on November 16, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: ferrari 360 on November 17, 2009, 12:34:00 AM
QUOTE(robgazza @ Nov 16 2009, 04:37 PM)
if your console has never been officially banned is it as simple as unclicking the HDD and plugging in into an unmodded console, everything will run as if your first box was never banned?
Correct.
The only thing that won't work is your installed games but this is normal as they only work on the console they were originally installed on.
Post by: jamiehardman on November 17, 2009, 09:38:00 AM
The only thing I'm concerned about is the fact I have several backups installed to the HDD, I'm just curious as to whether these installed games can be detected when I plug the HDD into my genuine xbox and go online with retail games?
Post by: SlayerQC on November 17, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(jamiehardman @ Nov 17 2009, 09:38 AM)
I've got 2 xboxes, one modified (unbanned and disconnected from network) and one genuine, I would like to use one hard drive between them with my profile.
The only thing I'm concerned about is the fact I have several backups installed to the HDD, I'm just curious as to whether these installed games can be detected when I plug the HDD into my genuine xbox and go online with retail games?
Why would you install the backups to the HDD and not the originals??
I doubt anyone knows the answer to this just yet. Just like modding, take the risk, or dont do it.
You could also remove those installs if you're too worried.
Post by: Nanoteck on November 21, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
I have read and understood everything about swapping hdd's except one thing. On my first console that's modded but NOT banned, I bought several DLC's and some arcade games. And my question is: Would I be able to swap the Hdd from my first 360 to my second one, which is un-modded and connected to XBL, and still be able to play the DLC and arcade games on my second console. Or is the downloads "bound" to the buyers console?
if it is, is there a way to change the owner forom my first 360 to my second without risking a ban.
Sorry for bad English, I'm still just learning. xD
Thnx // Nanoteck
This post has been edited by Nanoteck: Nov 21 2009, 11:52 PM
Post by: oni83 on November 23, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
What Im wondering is I've got a 360 #1 is flashed with i-extreme 1.6 and unbanned, not been connected to live since the 4th of November.
Ive got a 2nd 360 elite on its way to me now but could be another week or two (which is going to be kept unflashed for online play). So Im planning on doing the HDD swap between them, Well Im bored of my old games and have all these new wave 4 games that I cant play.
What I want to know is if its safe to play games like Tekken 6, Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2 on my flashed 360 using the activate.iso boot disk for offline single player play then swap HDD to new console when it arrives for online play then back to flashed console for single play.
Post by: Syn201 on November 23, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(oni83 @ Nov 24 2009, 12:24 AM)
Hi there, Great topic by the way guys.
What Im wondering is I've got a 360 #1 is flashed with i-extreme 1.6 and unbanned, not been connected to live since the 4th of November.
Ive got a 2nd 360 elite on its way to me now but could be another week or two (which is going to be kept unflashed for online play). So Im planning on doing the HDD swap between them, Well Im bored of my old games and have all these new wave 4 games that I cant play.
What I want to know is if its safe to play games like Tekken 6, Modern Warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2 on my flashed 360 using the activate.iso boot disk for offline single player play then swap HDD to new console when it arrives for online play then back to flashed console for single play.
the worst they can do is reset your game score which they don't seem to be doing at min with people doing this
you get 3 warning i think with gs before they ban another console .iv been doing it with my banned one and the corrupt profile method fix
myself i woldent use that boot disk now mind myself i don't trust it as i say to the voices in my head daily yes i am paranoid..
Post by: Bravo1 on November 24, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
360 Arcade with the Lite-On drive running ixtreme 1.6, onboard 256M memory and 120GB HD. Saved my Live profile to the onboard memory and games to the hard drive. Played Modern Warfare 2, purchased from Target, and got at least 6 achievements before I was banned. Booted up and copied my profile to the hard drive along with themes. Proceeded to delete 3 games I installed to HD which were MW2, Halo 3 and Halo ODST (all actual retail copies).
Purchased new Elite system, not planning on modding at all, placed old hard drive into this system and attempted to retrieve profile from the HD. System reported the profile was corrupted and could not be retrieved. Had to log into Live and download it that way. Started MW2 and showed I didn't get any achievements and needed to restart the game.
Now, everything is fine with the Elite system and I'm on Live without any issues.
Post by: sod16 on November 24, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: rookie4sho on November 24, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
QUOTE(rookie4sho @ Nov 17 2009, 12:39 AM)
Umm I had NO problems taking my drive from my banned xbox to my cousins Non modded xbox and it logged into live and saved my acheivements with no problems. However my cousin brought a memory card to my banned xbox we played some borderlands and when he got home to put his profile back on his non modded box it was corrupted along with his game save.
I like to add that this is no longer valid for me. I didnt realise I hadn't accessed any game saves since I was banned so Naturally this worked. Once my profile and gamesaves have been accessed after my ban, taking to a non banned xbox shows my game saves and profile as corrupt. However taking it back to my banned xbox they show up and work fine. I can continue playing games where I left off and everything. M$ I guess is just making everything on your HDD "Apear" corrupt on a non banned system but its not actually corrupt.
Post by: PhDeez on November 25, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
I checked the D/K version and have: 2.0.7371.0 (BK: 2.0.1888.0).
Should I update the unbanned modified offline console? If so, is it OK to do it from the Hard drive, or should I put the update on a USB key and upgrade that way?
Post by: martin.ca on November 29, 2009, 07:30:00 AM
QUOTE(PhDeez @ Nov 26 2009, 01:26 AM)
Should I update the unbanned modified offline console? If so, is it OK to do it from the Hard drive, or should I put the update on a USB key and upgrade that way?
I don't think it matters, it's the same update.
Post by: Krakilin0405 on November 30, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: Glitchcannon on December 21, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
a xbr xbox flashed ixtreme with a 60 gig hard drive for offline use
i was wondering if i moved my profile from each xbox using a memory card and my saves stayed on their respective xbox what are the possibilities of me getting banned can microsoft tell that my profile has been running on a xbr box?
i was going to make my demos full on my xbr box so i was also wondering about that
Post by: fachkx on December 26, 2009, 09:35:00 AM
Anywho, I got a new console recently and was wondering if I could, as the topic suggests, put my old hard drive into my new console and recover the gamertag and keep my saved game files and gamerscore and all that stuff without getting banned. I could care less for the DLC at this point, as I really don't care too much for it right now.
I know its been answered in a lot of ways, but I am just trying to confirm whether or not a possibly flagged gamertag will be banned on a new unmodified console while recovering said gamertag? Is the gamertag that is flagged, or might be flagged, going to cause issues on a brand new console? Because if it is, then I will just create a new account and carry on. However, if its safe, then I would love to transfer my saves and achievements to the new console.
Thanks for reading all that. Appreciate any response whatsoever.
Take care and happy holidays everyone!
Post by: Bradley687 on December 29, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
I thought I was smart and updated my modified's XBOX HD online with new gears of war 2 maps. For a while I was doing the profile on memory card and play online on legit xbox and my modified XBOX offline and got achievements.
Heres is what I think caused the banned. I played a system link GOW2 with the same Profile. I had the same Profiles <Bradley> loaded on the system link. The modified console was blocked on router to go online. The legit XBOX was logged on XBOX live but both systems were playing GOW2 on system link and both characters where <Bradley> on top.
Today I flashed my XBOX with the new 1.61 Lite on FW and when I load my legit XBOX live profile, BANNED. And that console was not logged online since Nov.
So I think either changing the Firmware did it or the time when I system linked a GOW2 game with a legit XBOX online. So i believe my legit XBOX banned my offline modfied XBOX.
Pisses me off I was hoping to play and update my profile with games i played offline on the modified console. I'm should be upset but more disappointed. Since I bought the Legit XBOX i hardly touched my modified XBOX. Been online alot but I wanted to play AC2.
So please I believe the swapping HD/profile between modified but unbanned consoles works. Just don't system link or update the HD no matter how tempted you are. Its my fault for being greedy and not share the TV screen when I played. Guess now i don't matter anymore so there ya have it.
Post by: Bradley687 on December 30, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
So looks like the Console ID got reported, or added to a list when I system linked GOW2 both Legit and modified consoles. Result is I can never play my Live Profile on my modified console. It gives me a console ID banned. But any other profiles and game saves created by offline profiles are fine.
It blows. I could have played backups and achievements were my LIVE profile, but now it does not work.
Not sure if anyone else tried this but don't system link with a legit XBOX logged on LIVE. It won't ban you (I'll test HD game installs like forza tonight to make sure) but your console ID of modified XBOX will be banned from your Live profile.
I'll report more as I do research on this.
Post by: jules322 on December 30, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
I have read this thread and I am a little confused, as I am a bit of a noob. What i would like to know is, if i play Games using my profile on my MU on the Banned Console, when i put that MU onto my other consoles and use that profile, will all the saves on the HDD on the other console be corrupted or just the saves played on the Banned Console? Also will my Profile be corrupted on the other consoles after using it on the Banned Console? And I assume from reading this thread the new acheivements on the banned console would not be valid, is that right?
Any help would be much apprreciated as i dont want to screw my profile/gamertag, hope this is the right thread.
Thanks,
J
Post by: Bradley687 on December 30, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
So yeah, at least now I know why the profile and console ID said Banned.
Post by: jules322 on December 30, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
In regards to my post a few posts up:
I just tried a game quickly, I did not unlock any achievements, but I did save, and when i placed the MU into the other console my profile is corrupted and the saves on that hard drive are displaying as corrupted. I would not have even modded that console in the first place, if it was not for the disc scratching, and the fact that I have children, one of whom is autistic, as they often jump, like kids tend to do when excited, you get plenty of scratched discs and even the circles were the laser seems to have bounced off the disc i assume. Nice one M$ living up to their 'good' name. Oh well I guess I knew the risks involving Live and FW, but still after all the money M$ has made off me over the years it seems a little harsh, I could live with a modded console being banned, but this seems overkill and just makes them look like the grinch to my kids this Christmas.
I assume I can recover my profile on one of the other consoles from Live, from what i have read on these forums? is this right, as I have read of people having problems getting achievements back?
I do not post often so will take time out to thank XS and its members for all the help it offers, its been far more helpful that M$ has ever been to me.
Post by: Bradley687 on December 30, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
I have to confirm if I'm really banned. I really really hope my XBOX Profile is the only thing that won't load or play on my modified console. This morning offline profiles were created, a game save was created. They were not corrupt. I was able to see them and copy them to my Legit XBOX.
I will confirm I hope my hard drive can still install games or add-ons like Forza 3 does.
Post by: the_dragon on January 01, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
Tha's the thread I was searching for, very interesting one.Here you have another scenario that I'll try to perform this same weekd [Happy New Year BTW].
1- 1st Xbox360, died 1year ago (RROD stuff), never been banned, DVD drive MS25 modded.
2- 2nd Xbox360, new, clean, Live gold activated, not modded. Liteon drive.
I'll try to spoof my LiteOn on my Old Ms25.
When done, I'll keep my xbox360 open forever, so when I'll need to play backups, I'll plug MS25 drive, unplug network.
To go to Live, I'll plug back my LiteOn, play and upload my games achievements and staff saved on the hard disk.
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Is this already tested or duscussed on another thread?
Post by: felizpicano on January 04, 2010, 11:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Krakilin0405 @ Dec 1 2009, 05:39 AM)
So then that means, if you have a banned Xbox, then you should sell that xbox, buy 2 new xbox, use 1 harddrive, mod 1 of them xbox which you would only play single player games, get the achievements, and insert into the legit Xbox and that should update your achivements online.
I believe this is correct. Can anyone verify please?
Post by: Aksh0le on January 04, 2010, 11:23:00 AM