Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 04, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
Major Nelson Talks about Latest LIVE Ban Wave - More Bans Today Posted by XanTium | November 4 15:45 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| From majornelson.com: Quote
While the 'banhammer' went quiet since last Friday's wave, it looks like Microsoft is banning users again today as reported by users on our forums and IRC. |
Post by: logicwatch on November 04, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Noodlez on November 04, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
oh well
Post by: HiddenSniper on November 04, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: izaven715 on November 04, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
Maybe that's a hint that they can detect modified consoles eh
Post by: pinkerton on November 04, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
QUOTE(izaven715 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:05 PM) 
"Maybe that's a hint that they can detect modified consoles eh
Thats what they want ppl to think
Post by: izaven715 on November 04, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(pinkerton @ Nov 4 2009, 10:10 PM) 
Thats what they want ppl to think
I've yet to see proof that they can't. All I hear is "X person said they can't"
Post by: that360guy on November 04, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: Puffer on November 04, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: jdsony on November 04, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
This is one reason I'd love to see the console cracked completely. I don't have an issue buying games (or borrowing if I'm feeling cheap) but being free of the stranglehold they have on storage, accessories, & the internet would be an amazing thing. PC media centers have become much cheaper but still lack the finesse that the Xbox with Xbox Media Center had. The quick boot, quick configuration, having all the apps/emulators designed for the TV/Controller just made it an extremely tight package. Oh well perhaps it's not meant to be.
This post has been edited by jdsony: Nov 4 2009, 10:34 PM
Post by: TerminatR on November 04, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(jdsony @ Nov 4 2009, 10:20 PM)
They are effectively making their consoles disposable much like anything you buy at Walmart effectively killing the resale market.
Well Said
+1
However, there are plenty of people who only use their 360 offline. For these people a ban is irrelevant and being able to play burned games is much more appealing than playing on live.
On the original Xbox, people had to make a choice of one over the other (backups or live). I guess the same thing is happening all over again.
Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 4 2009, 10:30 PM)
Well Said
+1
However, there are plenty of people who only use their 360 offline. For these people a ban is irrelevant and being able to play burned games is much more appealing than playing on live.
On the original Xbox, people had to make a choice of one over the other (backups or live). I guess the same thing is happening all over again.
so people are making backups of their own games and still getting banned? or is it just piraters?
Post by: Bucket Monster on November 04, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: logicwatch on November 04, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Bucket Monster @ Nov 4 2009, 09:44 PM)
I Give My Banned Consoles to Charity, Win Win :-))
thats nice ( as long as they dont want to play on live )
Post by: BoNg420 on November 04, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Post by: tech3475 on November 04, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
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Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(tech3475 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:53 PM)
I just got banned, this would have been so bad if it wasnt for the fact that they buggered up the accounts when I put it into a new console and blocked HD installs.
what new games have you banned guys been playing? mw2? dragon age? borderlands?
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 04, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: jlgreen420 on November 04, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on November 04, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: DoomSayerSantos on November 04, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Shit happens ofcourse but its still not fun to hear.
Post by: damn! on November 04, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: logicwatch on November 04, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(damn! @ Nov 4 2009, 10:45 PM)
Is it legal to deactivate HDD installs? I mean banning from live is okay, since it's in the terms of use. But deactivating HDD installs means less function of the unit and i can't imagine that this would be legal.
thats right ! lets sue them !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: seed.helper on November 04, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Nov 4 2009, 11:48 PM)
thats right ! lets sue them !!
lets go
Post by: thehoweller on November 04, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
QUOTE(damn! @ Nov 4 2009, 05:45 PM)
Is it legal to deactivate HDD installs? I mean banning from live is okay, since it's in the terms of use. But deactivating HDD installs means less function of the unit and i can't imagine that this would be legal.
They can do whatever they want to their console. Buying a 360 is like renting property from Microsoft. You can use it, but only how they allow you to. If you go outside the scope of your agreement of use...Then you are subject to whatever changes and restrictions that they want to give you.
Post by: jd185051 on November 04, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
I ALWAYS install my games to my hard drive. My reasoning is if they cant see the game spinning they don't know if its a backup. He didn't install his games. I have all three games he had but installed them all and I'm fine, no ban for me.
This post has been edited by jd185051: Nov 4 2009, 11:59 PM
Post by: that360guy on November 04, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: paully on November 04, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Thomas. on November 04, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Puffer @ Nov 4 2009, 09:15 PM)
Not worth turning my hdd into a 120 GB paper weight if I have been banned.
What happens to your hard drive?
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(izaven715 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:11 PM)
I've yet to see proof that they can't. All I hear is "X person said they can't"
X = Team HyperX
QUOTE(Bucket Monster @ Nov 4 2009, 09:44 PM)
I Give My Banned Consoles to Charity, Win Win :-))
Excellent Idea
QUOTE(alwaysonjohn @ Nov 4 2009, 09:57 PM)
my friend got banned. I laughed my head off... it even banned his hard drive!!!
Hard Drives are not banned!
It's simply the install feature that is banned on the console.
If the HDD was banned, you would not be able to do anything that requires a storage device. ie. watch videos.
Putting the same HDD on an unmodified console would work.
QUOTE(jd185051 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:56 PM)
I modded his console 2 weeks ago.
Bad time to mod it; so close to when Microsoft do their annual banfest.
QUOTE(Thomas. @ Nov 4 2009, 11:07 PM)
What happens to your hard drive?
HDD installs do not work on the banned console.
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I'm just not gonna worry about these bans - just like always, there is nothing we can do about it.
If you're banned, you're banned.
Post by: DaBuisneZ on November 04, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
Apparently they will work fine on other xboxs? Is that correct?
This post has been edited by DaBuisneZ: Nov 5 2009, 12:11 AM
Post by: Exobex on November 04, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Nov 4 2009, 08:45 PM)
This would also be a good time to remind you that the warranty on an Xbox 360 console is not transferrable
This would also be a good time to remind you NOT TO REGISTER YOUR CONSOLE UNTIL IT BREAKS DOWN!
The three year RLOD/E74 warranty only applies to the person who registers the console, this is an important point if the console is subsequently sold to someone else.
Why the warranty length on a second-hand console should depend on the non-diligence of the previous owner in filling out a form is anyone's guess.
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
wonder if they'll have a round 3.
Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:22 AM)
oh boy banwave round 2.
wonder if they'll have a round 3.
uhhhh this is like round 18
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 4 2009, 06:25 PM)
uhhhh this is like round 18
Round 2 of this year.
Post by: chorizo1 on November 04, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 4 2009, 05:22 PM)
oh boy banwave round 2.
wonder if they'll have a round 3.
seems to me:
Ban 1 was due to Forza players ( M$ got tired of early playing B$ so they did this one hard)
ban 2 was the scheduled ban wave ( was the planned wave that would have taken place)
THIS ban 3 is non-usa region, and those who played codmw2 early (again had to respond to those playing pirated releases early).
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
Forgot all about those.
Post by: BRuTaL2k on November 04, 2009, 04:30:00 PM
Just thought I would feed this info in..
Never been banned before had xboxs since day one (On my fourth due to RROD, Elite upgrade etc)
Console modded with 1.6 and always made my own back ups using Kreon drive and always double checked with ABGX / Mulleter before that.
So I was a little shocked to be banned
My Console is running the Lite On drive (Modded with Frosty the snowman software)
Also my friend also got banned today to..
R
Paul
The annoying thing is no longer being able to watch XVIDS the 360 is a pimp XVID player.
Also to clarify I have never played any downloaded games on my console.
This post has been edited by BRuTaL2k: Nov 5 2009, 12:31 AM
Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:28 AM)
Oh yeah the Forza Bans.
Forgot all about those.
wasn't there a banwave for halo: odst french version as well?
Post by: xhackshotmastax on November 04, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:27 AM)
seems to me:
Ban 1 was due to Forza players ( M$ got tired of early playing B$ so they did this one hard)
ban 2 was the scheduled ban wave ( was the planned wave that would have taken place)
THIS ban 3 is non-usa region, and those who played codmw2 early (again had to respond to those playing pirated releases early).
seems to be so... i live in germany and i get "ZOMG I GOT BAN" messages of people that mainly live in europe
ban ban ban ban ban ban
MICROSOFT WINS.... FITALITY
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(BRuTaL2k @ Nov 4 2009, 11:30 PM)
(Modded with Frosty the snowman software)
Excuse me, but WTF is that?
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Microsoft should get creative,
When they ban someone, a video should show up with a Spartan from HALO 3 holding a grav hammer, he should explain that you have been banned from XBL & @ the end of the vid he ends up using the ban hammer on you
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 4 2009, 06:31 PM)
wasn't there a banwave for halo: odst french version as well?
I think there might of been.
Post by: chorizo1 on November 04, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 4 2009, 05:31 PM)
wasn't there a banwave for halo: odst french version as well?
I don't recall one. at least not as big as these past ones. they could have already been flagged, and gone with the forza bans and the "2nd" ban wave though.
Post by: Reaper527 on November 04, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 4 2009, 06:31 PM)
wasn't there a banwave for halo: odst french version as well?
yes, but like forza, that was an account ban, not a console ban. also, it wasn't limited to the french leak, as people with the ntsc leak got their accounts permanently suspended as well
Post by: kawaxbox on November 04, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:27 PM)
seems to me:
Ban 1 was due to Forza players ( M$ got tired of early playing B$ so they did this one hard)
ban 2 was the scheduled ban wave ( was the planned wave that would have taken place)
THIS ban 3 is non-usa region, and those who played codmw2 early (again had to respond to those playing pirated releases early).
I wanted to know whether anyone in the UK or the EU have been banned from LIVE. I've been playing my backups on LIVE aswell and I still haven't been banned.
This post has been edited by kawaxbox: Nov 5 2009, 12:53 AM
Post by: chorizo1 on November 04, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(kawaxbox @ Nov 4 2009, 05:52 PM)
I wanted to know whether anyone in the UK or the EU have been banned from LIVE. I've been playing my backups on LIVE aswell and I still haven't been banned.
those are the ones that started today. check out the other huge thread in this forum.
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
And they weren't playing MW2. The guy only played one game, Gears2. He only played it once.
he said it was verified and stuff from abgx360 (ran the disc through it too afterwards). So. I dunno.
(the 360 was a 2 week old Elite)
This post has been edited by magusdraco: Nov 5 2009, 01:06 AM
Post by: drewis on November 04, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 04, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:04 AM)
There have been some USA people who have been banned today.
And they weren't playing MW2. The guy only played one game, Gears2. He only played it once.
he said it was verified and stuff from abgx360 (ran the disc through it too afterwards). So. I dunno.
(the 360 was a 2 week old Elite)
Very similar to my situation. I'm UK, one week old Elite, played one fully verified game and BAN.
Post by: Roupus on November 04, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: the_freedman on November 04, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 12:04 AM)
There have been some USA people who have been banned today.
And they weren't playing MW2. The guy only played one game, Gears2. He only played it once.
he said it was verified and stuff from abgx360 (ran the disc through it too afterwards). So. I dunno.
(the 360 was a 2 week old Elite)
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 5 2009, 12:27 AM)
Very similar to my situation. I'm UK, one week old Elite, played one fully verified game and BAN.
Did you install the game to Hard Drive? What drive you are using and firmware?
Doesn't look good.
Post by: brandogg on November 04, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Nov 4 2009, 07:10 PM)
This would also be a good time to remind you NOT TO REGISTER YOUR CONSOLE UNTIL IT BREAKS DOWN!
The three year RLOD/E74 warranty only applies to the person who registers the console, this is an important point if the console is subsequently sold to someone else.
Why the warranty length on a second-hand console should depend on the non-diligence of the previous owner in filling out a form is anyone's guess.
That's not true. The Xbox logs the first time you turn it on, and when you connect to Live, it sends that info to Microsoft, and that's when your warranty starts. I never registered my system, and the warranty start date was the day I opened it and played it the first time.
Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Roupus @ Nov 5 2009, 01:28 AM)
hmm....how do you know Microsoft? How!?
(pure speculation on my part), given all the data here, wouldn't it make sense for them to detect the actual firmware, then do random bannings to make the firmware developers scramble their heads on what exactly is being detected?
Post by: rwcottrell on November 04, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 4 2009, 05:34 PM)
(pure speculation on my part), given all the data here, wouldn't it make sense for them to detect the actual firmware, then do random bannings to make the firmware developers scramble their heads on what exactly is being detected?
The ideal method for MS would be to directly detect the modified firmware. It would seem in the past they had difficulty in doing this. Hence why they had other methods which all relied on detecting backups themselves, opposed to firmware.
For the Samsung Drives/BenQ Drives, to mod them you need to read the original firmware to get the drive key. You can't just read it, you have to trick the drives into recovery mode. I've always assumed microsoft would have to do the samething. If they tried to boot them into recovery mode it would probably cause issues on the console.
If they were smart they integrate it with dashboard updates. The system has to reboot anyways when its done.. why not make that process take an extra 30 seconds, dump the firmware, see if passes hashcheck? then reboot it back to normal. all under the guise of the dashboard update installing.
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
QUOTE(the_freedman @ Nov 4 2009, 07:30 PM)
Did you install the game to Hard Drive? What drive you are using and firmware?
Doesn't look good.
The dude on some forums I go to had a Lite-On 1.6 (not sure which lite-on) It was a new elite so I'm gonna guess it was the 83000ish versoin.
He didn't install it on the hdd.
Post by: kconston on November 04, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: kill_bill on November 04, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: gAm3 Fr3aQu3 on November 04, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE(damn! @ Nov 4 2009, 03:45 PM)
Is it legal to deactivate HDD installs? I mean banning from live is okay, since it's in the terms of use. But deactivating HDD installs means less function of the unit and i can't imagine that this would be legal.
It's MS' ploy to get more "sales" from buyers, so they can brag about how many consoles they sell each month/qtr/year/etc...
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: Halcyon-X12 on November 04, 2009, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
QUOTE(brandogg @ Nov 5 2009, 12:31 AM)
That's not true. The Xbox logs the first time you turn it on, and when you connect to Live, it sends that info to Microsoft, and that's when your warranty starts. I never registered my system, and the warranty start date was the day I opened it and played it the first time.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.
If that were true, what happens to consoles that never connect to Live? Unlimited warranty or no warranty?
IIRC, the store/retailer that you bought the console from (somehow) sends the info to Microsoft - the warranty is activated once the consoles/box barcode is scanned.
Post by: krwz on November 04, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
I usually use my gamertag on a memory card (logged in to the modded console but NOT on Live) when playing the games early. In this case I wanted to get Campaign mode out of the way early in MW2 so that when the game is actually released I could just jump right into multiplayer live on the unmodded box. Question is if I use the memory card on my unmodded box (which has game information / achievement history without dates), will this somehow translate by association into a ban on the unmodded box?
Just being paranoid. Thanks in advance.
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(krwz @ Nov 4 2009, 08:05 PM)
I have 2 360s. One modded and one unmodded. The modded one is to usually play games early such as Gears 2 / Forza / MW2 etc but I end up buying the game on release regardless to play online on my unmodded box.
I usually use my gamertag on a memory card (logged in to the modded console but NOT on Live) when playing the games early. In this case I wanted to get Campaign mode out of the way early in MW2 so that when the game is actually released I could just jump right into multiplayer live on the unmodded box. Question is if I use the memory card on my unmodded box (which has game information / achievement history without dates), will this somehow translate by association into a ban on the unmodded box?
Just being paranoid. Thanks in advance.
Nobody knows. But most likely it won't give a damn unless MS decides to do an account ban instead of a console ban (they did that for the early forza players).
Post by: krwz on November 04, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
Nobody knows. But most likely it won't give a damn unless MS decides to do an account ban instead of a console ban (they did that for the early forza players).
Oh wow....they actually banned Xbox Live Accounts (not just systems) for the early forza players? Were these Forza Players that were playing online?
This post has been edited by krwz: Nov 5 2009, 02:10 AM
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(krwz @ Nov 4 2009, 08:09 PM)
Oh wow....they actually banned Xbox Live Accounts (not just systems) for the early forza players? Were these Forza Players that were playing online?
yeah. They were playing online like....however many weeks early it was and the devs were pissed or something.
Post by: foxdie on November 04, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
Then what if you take that same HDD back to the console banned 360 and play off line, then go back to the unmodded, trouble? Or is this question nobody knows the answer to?
Post by: pdawg on November 04, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(drewis @ Nov 5 2009, 01:18 AM)
I have re-registered a console before. no issues. all u need to know is the persons name + address.
This is true, I did this back in Sept. for a 360 I got off ebay that was repaired by MS for the RROD. I am still covered by the extended warranty too.
Post by: M0t0rPen1s on November 04, 2009, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: foxdie on November 04, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: Asphixiate on November 04, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: ryawn on November 04, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
oh well, you win some you lose some.
Post by: Cuturic on November 04, 2009, 06:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Vejita @ Nov 4 2009, 06:22 PM)
Can't you check whether you have been banned or not without risking your console and hdd install privilages by just doing a Xbox Live connection test in the setup menu and making note of the error code if you can't connect or can you get banned with the connection test too?
Yeah this would be very useful information. Some things that people found out before was that the hdd could no longer work on other consoles, so if you could save a console that would be very good. I would also like to know about the memory card. If you could load a gamertag off a newely banned xbox and play it on a non banned one and it still work.
Post by: Eksyte on November 04, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 5 2009, 02:34 AM)
I still think they can only detect the disk. Those whoo make their own appear to be safe. The ones who made their own then verified with ABGX seem to be the only ones who say they were banned when making their own. I messed with ABGX for a while but every game said it was not valid...I just ignored it and moved on. Me and every console I have done are good
I didn't even have a disc in my 360 when I got banned.
Based on your timestamp, you're in Europe? As far as I know, the bans have been pretty much regulated to NA.
M$ is using several method to find people who are messing with their shit in ways to ban from XBL.
Post by: reddragon105 on November 04, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: thehoweller on November 04, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
I believe I'm running iXtreme 1.61, could be 1.6 on a BenQ...I forget those firmware versions as soon as I realize that I can play my backups. But yeah...Never have used abgx, or w/e...All of my games have been self-made with a Kreon and I've also installed some copied games over the course of ownership.
I've a feeling that the cause of all of this is abgx and the fact that Money$oft is able to detect those versions of patched games.
This post has been edited by thehoweller: Nov 5 2009, 03:04 AM
Post by: bedojunkmail on November 04, 2009, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(reddragon105 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:49 AM)
Got banned this evening. Have had my console modded since iXtreme 1.2 came out and have stayed on top of firmware updates and kept offline during the ban hammer season the last two times but it's been online constantly recently because I was using it as a DivX player (which it's obviously now useless for). So I had iXtreme 1.6 on a Benq drive and a retail copy of GTAIV has been in the drive for a week or so - I've hardly played any games on it for the last 6 months, it's been mostly watching videos, haven't played online at all because I don't have a Gold account and I've never played any games before release date. Unless they checked the firmware on the drive on bootup today I'd say they've checked a disk on a previous play, logged some data and then waited who knows how long before banning the console along with everyone else's today. Sucks but I can't complain. Might just get a PS3 for the DivX and keep the banned 360 for the games.
reddragon105,
Does the ban also disable the DivX playback from your PC? I thought it just disabled the ability to get on live and install games to the hard drive.
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
QUOTE(reddragon105 @ Nov 4 2009, 08:49 PM)
Got banned this evening. Have had my console modded since iXtreme 1.2 came out and have stayed on top of firmware updates and kept offline during the ban hammer season the last two times but it's been online constantly recently because I was using it as a DivX player (which it's obviously now useless for). So I had iXtreme 1.6 on a Benq drive and a retail copy of GTAIV has been in the drive for a week or so - I've hardly played any games on it for the last 6 months, it's been mostly watching videos, haven't played online at all because I don't have a Gold account and I've never played any games before release date. Unless they checked the firmware on the drive on bootup today I'd say they've checked a disk on a previous play, logged some data and then waited who knows how long before banning the console along with everyone else's today. Sucks but I can't complain. Might just get a PS3 for the DivX and keep the banned 360 for the games.
Sidenote: The PS3 hates on some divx and xvid movies that the 360 can play.
Mainly because of nonstandard codecs (divx 3.11 : ) (bad face it's part of the codec's name not a smiley this time) and stuff)
Though you can play them if you use the mencoder option in the ##transcode## folder in ps3 media server.
You can't play divx and xvid movies on the 360 if you aren't connected to live.
Somthing about the nxe (last year's version).
This post has been edited by magusdraco: Nov 5 2009, 03:16 AM
Post by: kconston on November 04, 2009, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 4 2009, 07:23 PM)
My two cents (my opinion)..... I personally think that Microsoft CANT detect the modified firmware. My personal opinion is they know exactly where they send the game disc. I feel that if you are not in one of those areas they ban you. You maybe wondering what If you had a legit disc??? Then what they would do is tell you to prove that It was purchased legitimately or a legit review copy or something to that extent, if you cant prove it you remain banned. This would be smart on their part because they either get a modified console offline (which means more revenue, THEY KNOW AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL BUY ANOTHER)or get the name of the stores that is selling the copies illegitimately.... Like I said this is MY OPINION!!!!!!
I tend to agree, because if they could detect the firmware everyone would be banned. They would no longer need banwaves. They'd go back to the xbox1 method, which banned on the fly, because it was so easy to detect.
I'm not sure they'd ban for imported copies though... the world is so linked now, that if theres a sale on fable II in the UK, and its half the price of the one in the US, its going to cross borders.
What I am wondering is something I read about abgx and that there's different PAL regions, and abgx will have the stealth files from one region, and if you use it to patch, it'll patch over your proper region with the region in their database.
I'm not sure how that would work, because the data would have to be identical from the two different regions, and microsoft would need a way to be able to tell the two apart. IE a game from Australia and a Game from the UK. But there are differences, maybe its getting picked up on, because the game data is the same, but the stealth files are meant to be different.
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 4 2009, 07:10 PM)
Sidenote: The PS3 hates on some divx and xvid movies that the 360 can play.
Mainly because of nonstandard codecs (divx 3.11 : ) (bad face it's part of the codec's name not a smiley this time) and stuff)
Though you can play them if you use the mencoder option in the ##transcode## folder in ps3 media server.
You can't play divx and xvid movies on the 360 if you aren't connected to live.
Somthing about the nxe (last year's version).
really? I thought the media update just had to be licensed to the console it was downloaded on. IE the first one you installed it on with your gamertag.
if you had it on one console, got banned, bought a new one, and downloaded it off the original gamertag, it would still be licensed to the original console, meaning it wouldn't work if your offline.
You really need to use that online license transfer tool when you change xbox's it seems to solve alot of headaches.
Post by: da80m8 on November 04, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 02:10 AM)
You can't play divx and xvid movies on the 360 if you aren't connected to live.
Somthing about the nxe (last year's version).
I stream divx and xvid stuff from my PC to my 360 all the time and I'm not connected to Live. Are you referring to something different? Just looking for some clarification.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 07:36:00 PM
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 5 2009, 02:23 AM)
My two cents (my opinion)..... I personally think that Microsoft CANT detect the modified firmware. My personal opinion is they know exactly where they send the game disc. I feel that if you are not in one of those areas they ban you. You maybe wondering what If you had a legit disc??? Then what they would do is tell you to prove that It was purchased legitimately or a legit review copy or something to that extent, if you cant prove it you remain banned. This would be smart on their part because they either get a modified console offline (which means more revenue, THEY KNOW AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL BUY ANOTHER)or get the name of the stores that is selling the copies illegitimately.... Like I said this is MY OPINION!!!!!!
Major Nelson has confirmed this on more than one occasion.
So i think you can take it as fact
(plus it makes sense).
Forza 3 Ban (US) - No Discs Shipped to Retailers Yet (especially in that area) > User Flagged > Console Investigated further > Drops
Post by: Lsd on November 04, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 03:10 AM)
Sidenote: The PS3 hates on some divx and xvid movies that the 360 can play.
Mainly because of nonstandard codecs (divx 3.11 : ) (bad face it's part of the codec's name not a smiley this time) and stuff)
Though you can play them if you use the mencoder option in the ##transcode## folder in ps3 media server.
You can't play divx and xvid movies on the 360 if you aren't connected to live.
Somthing about the nxe (last year's version).
this is bullcrap. I play movies all the time via my 360 and im not connected to live. I installed the codec once and its been good to go ever since.
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Lsd @ Nov 4 2009, 07:40 PM)
this is bullcrap. I play movies all the time via my 360 and im not connected to live. I installed the codec once and its been good to go ever since.
I'm starting to think that alot of the "corruption" blame from this banwave is actually side effects without MS licensing works.
Gamesave's (most of them) get licensed to your gamertag or console. If you've moved them around different consoles you need to be able to log into live to verify the gamertag.
the divx codec is the same. it gets licensed to first console you download it to and your gamertag. if you download it on diff console later with your gamertag, its still licensed to console #1.
I'm seriously wondering how many of these "the ban corrupt my ***" are licensing issues and not something the ban did.
Post by: nevernamed on November 04, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
never played early. never played anhything taht didnt verify.
But I too wonder if autofixing is the best solution with ABGX.. maybe there is something to it.
I also played UFC when it came out. And I heard there was an error with that game. How mayn of the banned people played that before the error was corrected.. I'm wondering if that is something.
Post by: bennybullfrog on November 04, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
I won't miss Live too much I guess, I never play online and the only DLC I ever bought in the last couple of years is Rock Band content. I'll save a few bucks at least now
I'll miss the rest of the Beatles stuff that is due out though, but at least I still have Abbey Road or does the ban corrupt your existing DLC? I'll be asking for a refund if that's the case.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(bennybullfrog @ Nov 5 2009, 02:53 AM)
I'll miss the rest of the Beatles stuff that is due out though, but at least I still have Abbey Road or does the ban corrupt your existing DLC? I'll be asking for a refund if that's the case.
If you downloaded the DLC on the banned console, then you can use the content while offline.
You get 2 licences with every piece of DLC - one tied to your gamertag & one is tied to the console used to download the content.
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Nov 5 2009, 03:58 AM
Post by: kconston on November 04, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 4 2009, 08:43 PM)
I'm starting to think that alot of the "corruption" blame from this banwave is actually side effects without MS licensing works.
Gamesave's (most of them) get licensed to your gamertag or console. If you've moved them around different consoles you need to be able to log into live to verify the gamertag.
the divx codec is the same. it gets licensed to first console you download it to and your gamertag. if you download it on diff console later with your gamertag, its still licensed to console #1.
I'm seriously wondering how many of these "the ban corrupt my ***" are licensing issues and not something the ban did.
Now that you say that..... That does make a lot of sense. What is the point of banning a hard drive or corrupting the data on the hard drive, when they could just ban the xbox live account? Microsoft is about making MONEY.........
Post by: kakaboy on November 04, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
QUOTE(thehoweller @ Nov 5 2009, 09:52 AM)
They can do whatever they want to their console. Buying a 360 is like renting property from Microsoft. You can use it, but only how they allow you to. If you go outside the scope of your agreement of use...Then you are subject to whatever changes and restrictions that they want to give you.
I never signed an agreement LOL
Post by: Kaisonic on November 04, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
Sad face :-(
Post by: BottleB on November 04, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 04, 2009, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(kakaboy @ Nov 5 2009, 03:11 AM)
Yes you did.
You have to click on 'agree' every time they update it or you're not allowed on Live (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: Fixthe Fernback on November 04, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Lite-On with iX 1.6. Played Dirt 2, NFS Shift that were stealthed and verified with abgx up until the day borderlands was released. Then I played Borderlands (stealthed, verified with ABGX) constantly (no HDD install) up until Forza 3 was released. Bought a LEGIT copy of Forza 3 and have installed that and have been playing that non-stop until now. The game has not left the drive. I have been connected to live this whole time, since I bought the box 3 weeks ago. Since Forza 3 has come out, the only thing I have done with my box besides play Forza is watch movies through PS3 Media Server and played the L4D2 demo.
Like I said, I am not yet banned as of 10:20PM EST.
Post by: dragonz on November 04, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 4 2009, 11:15 PM)
Anyone from Canada get the hammer? I wonder if im going to end up alone with on XBL ...my friends are all modded, mine is still a virgin
Friend in Toronto got banned tonight. Only modded an Elite (Lite-On 83850c with ix1.6) 3 weeks ago.
Only games played: NFS Shift, Brutal Legend, Heroes of Europe, NHL 10 & COD4 all verified through ABGX and played well after release times.
This post has been edited by dragonz: Nov 5 2009, 04:35 AM
Post by: Analyzer52 on November 04, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: magusdraco on November 04, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
QUOTE(da80m8 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:35 PM)
I stream divx and xvid stuff from my PC to my 360 all the time and I'm not connected to Live. Are you referring to something different? Just looking for some clarification.
It's probably a license thing then. I have two 360s and both of them were RRoDed so I have no clue why but it has to be on live to play xvid and divx stuff.
For both of them.
It's annoying.
Post by: that360guy on November 04, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 4 2009, 08:44 PM)
My theory is that you have to not be a cheap ass (Buy Lots if MS Points) and stay off the radar (not playing pre-releases) I still dump loads of $$$ buying MS Points for Rock Band Songs, DLC ect.....maybe they turn a blind eye if you're still a "profitable pirate" ha ha
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
I've wondered that myself. I probably spend 50/yr on xbox live, and maybe several 2800 point cards. Not alot but it is revenue.
Post by: vumpler on November 04, 2009, 08:53:00 PM
I was banned and so was my best friend.
Friends is more specific and cuts to the chase so here's his situation:
Liteon flashed to 1.6 last wednesday. He's only played borderlands online for his 360.
I burned his borderlands. I downloaded it, ran the ISO through ABGX, it verified, I burned it to Verbatim media at 1x in IMGburn. I verified it in IMGburn, I verified the burned disc in ABGX and at 2pm CST today he was hammered.
Mine was also a liteon 1.6 but I've played many other games NONE before verified in ABGX, I'm very anal about verification as I hoped this day wouldn't come.
Being the smart pirate did not pay off afterall.
Post by: Kaisonic on November 04, 2009, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: Ghetto Toaster on November 04, 2009, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: TerminatR on November 04, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 5 2009, 03:23 AM)
My personal opinion is they know exactly where they send the game disc. I feel that if you are not in one of those areas they ban you.
What about import shops? Do legitimate people get banned?
The region protection is available so are you implying that Microsoft is baiting people?
My 2 cents is that this isn't the criteria MS is basing bans.
Post by: kakaboy on November 04, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 5 2009, 02:25 PM)
Yes you did.
You have to click on 'agree' every time they update it or you're not allowed on Live
AHH a click is not a sign
Post by: shtewps on November 04, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:40 AM)
If they were smart they integrate it with dashboard updates. The system has to reboot anyways when its done.. why not make that process take an extra 30 seconds, dump the firmware, see if passes hashcheck? then reboot it back to normal. all under the guise of the dashboard update installing.
That's a very logical assumption. It makes complete sense with bans trailing the recent wireless update. Maybe the community should be instructed to return to stock f/w prior to each update.. and see how that turns out.. hmm
Post by: Rickz0rz on November 04, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
QUOTE(izaven715 @ Nov 4 2009, 05:11 PM)
I've yet to see proof that they can't. All I hear is "X person said they can't"
Thing is, the people MAKING these firmwares are checking to see what MS can see. They have crazy things like probe setups and they read the data that MS is reading from the drive.
That's how they found out about the SS/PFI/DMI checks. So, there's something more going on that people aren't aware of, or people are getting really careless as to what they're putting in their Xboxen.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on November 04, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
My friends system and hard drive got banned. he put the hard drive on another system and couldn't use it because it was banned... lol. then he formatted it and was able to use it again. thank god.
Anyways, i'm not banned. I've played everything lately except borderlands, check my live gamertag to the left, lol. I even took out my lite-on and i'm using a spoofed benq since the 1.61 firmware came out because i'm too lazy to use the activate disc. maybe my ban is coming tomorrow. oh well, my choice.
Post by: vumpler on November 04, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Rickz0rz @ Nov 4 2009, 10:11 PM)
Thing is, the people MAKING these firmwares are checking to see what MS can see. They have crazy things like probe setups and they read the data that MS is reading from the drive.
That's how they found out about the SS/PFI/DMI checks. So, there's something more going on that people aren't aware of, or people are getting really careless as to what they're putting in their Xboxen.
Like I said I stand to testify that they are absolutely doing something we know nothing about. How? My neighbor hasn't played anything BUT borderlands after it was verified (and yes i ran the disc after the burn to make sure it verified again.)
Its the only game he's had and we modded his box last wednesday.
Liteon 1.6 btw
This post has been edited by vumpler: Nov 5 2009, 05:14 AM
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
QUOTE(shtewps @ Nov 4 2009, 09:09 PM)
That's a very logical assumption. It makes complete sense with bans trailing the recent wireless update. Maybe the community should be instructed to return to stock f/w prior to each update.. and see how that turns out.. hmm
there were people banned who hadn't installed that update yet.. so I don't think it was the update.
QUOTE(vumpler @ Nov 4 2009, 09:13 PM)
Like I said I stand to testify that they are absolutely doing something we know nothing about. How? My neighbor hasn't played anything BUT borderlands after it was verified (and yes i ran the disc after the burn to make sure it verified again.)
Its the only game he's had and we modded his box last wednesday.
Liteon 1.6 btw
I wouldn't be surpised, but I still think its a disc based check. I don't think there detecting firmware yet.
Post by: vumpler on November 04, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:15 PM)
there were people banned who hadn't installed that update yet.. so I don't think it was the update.
I wouldn't be surpised, but I still think its a disc based check. I don't think there detecting firmware yet.
Possible but I don't know what they are detecting. The game verifies after burn and its on verbatim media
Post by: that360guy on November 04, 2009, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(vumpler @ Nov 4 2009, 09:53 PM)
Just to add in.
I was banned and so was my best friend.
Friends is more specific and cuts to the chase so here's his situation:
Liteon flashed to 1.6 last wednesday. He's only played borderlands online for his 360.
I burned his borderlands. I downloaded it, ran the ISO through ABGX, it verified, I burned it to Verbatim media at 1x in IMGburn. I verified it in IMGburn, I verified the burned disc in ABGX and at 2pm CST today he was hammered.
Mine was also a liteon 1.6 but I've played many other games NONE before verified in ABGX, I'm very anal about verification as I hoped this day wouldn't come.
Being the smart pirate did not pay off afterall.
hmmmm, sounds like you might be getting some other ban as well due to the content of this post...
Post by: vumpler on November 04, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 4 2009, 10:19 PM)
hmmmm, sounds like you might be getting some other ban as well due to the content of this post...
yup figures, I see that int he FAQ up top. To late now, I'll hang out while I can to help others.
Post by: 9piece on November 04, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
QUOTE(da80m8 @ Nov 5 2009, 03:35 AM)
I stream divx and xvid stuff from my PC to my 360 all the time and I'm not connected to Live. Are you referring to something different? Just looking for some clarification.
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Yeah You still can stream divx after being banned. Just to clarify I used to bring my 360 to my cottage with no internet, and could not stream anything.. Then when I am connected to the internet I can stream.. So even if you are banned you can still stream..
Another question, I heard that if you are banned that when you move your harddrive that microsoft forces you to format the drive, losing all your saves. Has anyone been banned and tried to move their harddrive a new xbox360 with no problems??
Post by: maxgeek on November 04, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 5 2009, 04:44 AM)
My theory is that you have to not be a cheap ass (Buy Lots if MS Points) and stay off the radar (not playing pre-releases) I still dump loads of $$$ buying MS Points for Rock Band Songs, DLC ect.....maybe they turn a blind eye if you're still a "profitable pirate" ha ha
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
I think the reality is they don't look at it on an individual basis. If you get caught by their scans its an auto ban.
Post by: kconston on November 04, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ Nov 4 2009, 09:59 PM)
What about import shops? Do legitimate people get banned?
The region protection is available so are you implying that Microsoft is baiting people?
My 2 cents is that this isn't the criteria MS is basing bans.
Like I stated b4 that was my opinion...... I'm not saying that they are baiting people. Microsoft knows exactly where the retail disc are sent, and not every area gets the disc at the same time. Im simply saying if your not in a area that they have shipped the retail disc to then you more than likely have a pirated copy. What are the odds that someone finds out, purchase and have a game imported into the country or into their area before the release date? Furthermore, what retailer would be stupid enough to break a street date to sale and ship a product (which would leave evidence of the sale before release and make it that much more easier for microsoft or whomever to track) and face being banned from future distributions, or worse face a heavy fine (per sale) so that end users can have a copy of a game before release date? This is not to say everyone who have the game but their area hasnt received it yet is a pirate. For that reason I said that Microsoft would ask you to prove that you purchased it from a REPUTABLE retailer (and NO they DONT consider EBAY REPUTABLE) in order to have your console unbanned. I'm just speaking my opinion rather it be completely correct or completely wrong....... Microsoft will never tell
Post by: Charbless on November 04, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
there was was post few pages back saying ms own the console so you can't do what you want that is complete false information you can do whatever you want with it but if you go against the terms stated from ms they have the right to refuse access to repair and internet functions.
I find it funny how they do the banning always around xmas time and they are happy for all the banned consoles to just be thrown away.
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 4 2009, 09:36 PM)
Like I stated b4 that was my opinion...... I'm not saying that they are baiting people. Microsoft knows exactly where the retail disc are sent, and not every area gets the disc at the same time. Im simply saying if your not in a area that they have shipped the retail disc to then you more than likely have a pirated copy. What are the odds that someone finds out, purchase and have a game imported into the country or into their area before the release date? Furthermore, what retailer would be stupid enough to break a street date to sale and ship a product (which would leave evidence of the sale before release and make it that much more easier for microsoft or whomever to track) and face being banned from future distributions, or worse face a heavy fine (per sale) so that end users can have a copy of a game before release date? This is not to say everyone who have the game but their area hasnt received it yet is a pirate. For that reason I said that Microsoft would ask you to prove that you purchased it from a REPUTABLE retailer (and NO they DONT consider EBAY REPUTABLE) in order to have your console unbanned. I'm just speaking my opinion rather it be completely correct or completely wrong....... Microsoft will never tell
I think you didn't differentiate that in your original post. I think you left it vague that any out of region games should be considered pirated. Which would cause all sorts of problems. If its only before release date that'd make more sense. But after release date, those games will find there way all over the globe legitimately.
Post by: kconston on November 04, 2009, 09:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:50 PM)
I think you didn't differentiate that in your original post. I think you left it vague that any out of region games should be considered pirated. Which would cause all sorts of problems. If its only before release date that'd make more sense. But after release date, those games will find there way all over the globe legitimately.
Sorry, LOL....... I was in a xbox live party at the time listening to some friends complain about getting banned, sorry I didnt clearly explain myself!!!!
Post by: not2able on November 04, 2009, 10:00:00 PM
This is all pretty hefty times for modders, but hey, we all knew what the risk and the cost was. I guess also, at least the xbox still runs, you can still use it, still update that gamerscore and use the HD in another box for live only. Could always be worse and they could brick our machines somehow. Now that would suck.
Post by: Dak9885 on November 04, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Level 25 on MW2 already (new gamertag) First game I played early, couldn't wait.
This post has been edited by Dak9885: Nov 5 2009, 06:03 AM
Post by: Jbasto on November 04, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 4 2009, 04:50 PM)
Wonder if game exchange stores like gamestop check to see if consoles are banned from live before they take them back. I know I would be pissed if I bought one from there and then went home and it was banned, but they would probably give you your money back.
I know someone that works a Game Stop and they never check if its banned or not they just plug it in and see if it reads disc or it has RROD.
Post by: djkneegrow on November 04, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: parat8t9 on November 04, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 4 2009, 10:44 PM)
My theory is that you have to not be a cheap ass (Buy Lots if MS Points) and stay off the radar (not playing pre-releases) I still dump loads of $$$ buying MS Points for Rock Band Songs, DLC ect.....maybe they turn a blind eye if you're still a "profitable pirate" ha ha
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
Friend got banned and says its BS cause he is ALWAYS buying Microsoft points.
I think they should easily be able to dump firmware and do checksum of it... I mean if jungleflash can do it why can't MS during one of the updates?
Also it wouldn't make sense for them to ban everyone at once because then that would force the community to more aggressivly work on new firmware and workarounds or even more devistating to microsoft.... homebrew.
Microsoft is all about making money. A $200 console which can be purchased and an old one sold off or used as a spare? What do they care they know if your pirating and have tons of games that you'll probably buy a new one (I mean 4 games = 1 xbox)
Microsoft is smarter then we give credit for they make the dashboard and can obviously dl the hacked firmware from xbins just like any one of us and analyze it.
I know everyone says it is not detectable... how do they know this? I mean really, randomly banned of xboxs both by people that have only created there own backups and by people who pirate games.... they aren't just detecting backups they are detecting mods.
As for who gets hit and who doesnt... I believe it is being in the wrong place (on live) at the wrong time (during scans for incorrect checksums on firmware)
Also playing a bad copy of a disc probably doesn't help but I think too much emphsis is on ABGX. How many people use ABGX and are banned????
Just my 2 cents.
This post has been edited by parat8t9: Nov 5 2009, 06:30 AM
Post by: g8crapachino on November 04, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(damn! @ Nov 4 2009, 10:45 PM)
Is it legal to deactivate HDD installs? I mean banning from live is okay, since it's in the terms of use. But deactivating HDD installs means less function of the unit and i can't imagine that this would be legal.
Harddrive installs still work. You're just banned from live.
Either way, don't pretend to be a lawyer. No legislative body would waste their time to make a law regulating XBOX HDD installs.
Post by: Zod5000 on November 04, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
QUOTE(parat8t9 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:24 PM)
Friend got banned and says its BS cause he is ALWAYS buying Microsoft points.
I think they should easily be able to dump firmware and do checksum of it... I mean if jungleflash can do it why can't MS during one of the updates?
Also it wouldn't make sense for them to ban everyone at once because then that would force the community to more aggressivly work on new firmware and workarounds or even more devistating to microsoft.... homebrew.
Microsoft is all about making money. A $200 console which can be purchased and an old one sold off or used as a spare? What do they care they know if your pirating and have tons of games that you'll probably buy a new one (I mean 4 games = 1 xbox)
Microsoft is smarter then we give credit for they make the dashboard and can obviously dl the hacked firmware and analyze it.
I know everyone says it is not detectable... how do they know this? I mean really, randomly banned of xboxs both by people that have only created there own backups and by people who pirate games.... they aren't just detecting backups they are detecting mods.
As for who gets hit and who doesnt... I believe it is being in the wrong place (on live) at the wrong time (during scans for incorrect checksums on firmware)
Also playing a bad copy of a disc probably doesn't help but I think too much emphsis is on ABGX. How many people use ABGX and are banned????
Just my 2 cents.
You have to make the dvd drives go into recovery mode. The dvd drives can't function as normal in recovery mode. Therefore if you're 360 were to try and bootup with the dvd drive in recovery mode, they could read the firmware, but you wouldn't be able to run games on it. Jungleflasher is just an automated way around the firmware lock (the reason you need to use recovery mode).
if you do it manually instead of jungle flasher. have to cycle the dvd drive into recovery, which involves turn it on, wait 2 seconds, turn it off, wait 2 seconds, turn it back on.
so in order for microsoft to read the firmware on a benq/samsung they'd have to trigger the recovery mode. They'd have to find a way to be stealthy about it, instead of geting calls saying their dvd drive isn't working.
Post by: dharrison on November 04, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
But, needless to say, I'm still the ninja that cannot be seen by Microsoft's eyes; I'm like that rare diamond in the museum that is nice to look at, but you can't touch; I'm like the H1N1 virus, you'll probably get a vaccine to fight me, cause you never want to catch me; I'm like the Hellen Keller of XBOX LIVE.. ah hell, you get the point...
Apart from it all, its been a good 8 years of glorious ban-free service on LIVE and I still am kicking. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go find some wood to knock on...
Post by: tactical on November 04, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 5 2009, 06:35 AM
Post by: thehoweller on November 04, 2009, 10:44:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 5 2009, 12:34 AM)
generally there is 114,000-128,000 on COD5 and I notice it's between 49,000-65,000 , tonight.
Probably means that there are 50,000 playing MW2 before release....LOL
Post by: HeXDeMoN on November 04, 2009, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: cavemonkey50 on November 04, 2009, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 5 2009, 01:34 AM)
generally there is 114,000-128,000 on COD5 and I notice it's between 49,000-65,000 , tonight.
More than likely this is because the World Series game 6 was on tonight.
Post by: The Dude Z on November 04, 2009, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(brandogg @ Nov 4 2009, 07:31 PM)
That's not true. The Xbox logs the first time you turn it on, and when you connect to Live, it sends that info to Microsoft, and that's when your warranty starts. I never registered my system, and the warranty start date was the day I opened it and played it the first time.
The xbox has no clue what day or time it is when you first plug it in and turn it on.
It has no Battery for it's clock unplug it and then check the date and see for yourself.
The warranty starts from the moment of purchase and 90% of the retailers scan the serial bar code of the console and that info gets the console info and electronically sends it to MS servers.
Post by: schweitzer on November 04, 2009, 11:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:28 PM)
You have to make the dvd drives go into recovery mode. The dvd drives can't function as normal in recovery mode. Therefore if you're 360 were to try and bootup with the dvd drive in recovery mode, they could read the firmware, but you wouldn't be able to run games on it. Jungleflasher is just an automated way around the firmware lock (the reason you need to use recovery mode).
if you do it manually instead of jungle flasher. have to cycle the dvd drive into recovery, which involves turn it on, wait 2 seconds, turn it off, wait 2 seconds, turn it back on.
so in order for microsoft to read the firmware on a benq/samsung they'd have to trigger the recovery mode. They'd have to find a way to be stealthy about it, instead of geting calls saying their dvd drive isn't working.
Well if Jungleflasher can do it automatically, what stops Microsoft from switching it into recovery mode, dumping the firmware, and switching it back quickly? This could be done easily while an update is being applied, and other random times whenever you notice the 360 laging. Sometimes it takes a while to do things that other times take way less time. It could quickly be checking the firmware.
Post by: Choochoo on November 04, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: 215XboxMods on November 04, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
PS: MS is smart the new LiteOn is going to be invading a store near you with all these bans, also in past years they did the same thing, but if you stop and think, Flashing your Xbox is really on the rise and if anything more and more people are using custom FW the numbers are expected to grow for bans also. Say last year 10,000 people where flashed & 1000 got banned, now say everyone told one person about flashing and the number doubled you do the math. It's like the lottery but you sure are not winning! MS is just a drug dealer, all these addicts no doubt will buy another one and who buys used any more, like some one on these forums said they definitely killed the used market, the used market is so risky any way 90% are repaired and on there last leg. Just my input on all this. 1 Xbox < 4 Games
Post by: TimberWolf5 on November 04, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
- Flagged discs available for download
- Discs not burned correctly (with errors or book type not set to dvd-rom)
- Unverified ISO's (not patched, or patched incorrectly)
Another theory is that microsoft knows your console is modded and they have a lottery system. Luck of the draw.
Btw, Liteon v7.. with 1.6 and played MW2 early (with activation disc) and not banned. I did not install the game to the HD and im using mw2 rrod version. Location Toronto.
This post has been edited by TimberWolf5: Nov 5 2009, 07:48 AM
Post by: IggyFkgPop on November 04, 2009, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: jdsony on November 05, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
"This is a HUGE problem for us here and Gamestop/EB Games. We have gotten more and more BRICKED 360s in for trade, so many theres been a GS corporate email thread about this very subject. We have no way in testing 360s at all, let alone seeing if they are bricked. Only about 15% of our 360 systems actually go to HQ for a referb, most of our 360 go in the back room, get their plastic cleaned, and then put on the shelf the next day, w/o any testing or referb'n.
(Poor customers who buy used actually think they are getting a referb, when that xbox was on someone else's TV yesterday.)
Because of this, we now have baker's dozens of angry costumers, and loads of returned BRICKED 360 that WE lost money on."
That's kind of what I expected and even if they did test them that's still a huge issue. I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel sales of used 360's though knowing how stupid EB's marketing department is I'm sure they would keep them.
Post by: DuBob4432 on November 05, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
QUOTE(TimberWolf5 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:44 PM)
I have been reading a-lot about the bans and I believe its the discs.
- Flagged discs available for download
- Discs not burned correctly (with errors or book type not set to dvd-rom)
- Unverified ISO's (not patched, or patched incorrectly)
Another theory is that microsoft knows your console is modded and they have a lottery system. Luck of the draw.
Btw, Liteon v7.. with 1.6 and played MW2 early (with activation disc) and not banned. I did not install the game to the HD and im using mw2 rrod version. Location Toronto.
ding, ding, ding this is it. if you have known any programmers that make their own hardware and software for even simple devices, the amount of control is total - it is my opinion that ms knows what consoles are modded and then use a random # generator to ban the consoles, thus the reason nobody can figure out the reasons - because they are completely random and can be anybody w/ a banned console.
also, i am pretty sure that the ban waves don't happen nearly as much outside the US is because of the issues w/ the 360 and the scratching of the games - other countries aren't owned by the riaa/mpaa and feel that people should be able to make a backup, especially when a player has a reputation of messing up discs.
Post by: lukx on November 05, 2009, 12:53:00 AM
What are the ways you got ban?
I got modded 1.6 xbox
1) you got ban for using not org copy of game (sometimes even when stealth was passed)
2) when no media in drive you still can got ban based on installed games on HDD?
3) original game in drive but games on HDD come form pirated versions and you also can get ban?
Are those the only way to get ban or there are others also?
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 12:55:00 AM
Post by: HaredX on November 05, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
Post by: Hellzone on November 05, 2009, 01:21:00 AM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 5 2009, 05:44 AM)
My theory is that you have to not be a cheap ass (Buy Lots if MS Points) and stay off the radar (not playing pre-releases) I still dump loads of $$$ buying MS Points for Rock Band Songs, DLC ect.....maybe they turn a blind eye if you're still a "profitable pirate" ha ha
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
no ban ^ im a paying customer
Post by: wadodem on November 05, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
QUOTE(9piece @ Nov 5 2009, 05:22 AM)
Yeah You still can stream divx after being banned. Just to clarify I used to bring my 360 to my cottage with no internet, and could not stream anything.. Then when I am connected to the internet I can stream.. So even if you are banned you can still stream..
Some new games will force a dashboard update, which then loses the xvid codecs. For example yesterday when I ran Lego Rock Band for the first time it forced a dash update or it wouldn't play the game, and after the update when I tried to play xvids it forced me back onto Live to download the codec.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
I have a question i read that when you get banned no more installing to hard drives, is this for everyone who gets banned? and second question, can you still play the games you already installed or no?
Post by: nu1mlock on November 05, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
Still not banned.
Post by: janaro78 on November 05, 2009, 01:43:00 AM
What Ixtreme do you have?
Are you from the US?
Thanks!
Post by: NoZart on November 05, 2009, 01:46:00 AM
1.51 sammy, powered externally when flashed.
never played early, always doublecheck w/ ABGX. Also, i spend about 20 € per week on XBLA-Stuff.
now i am going to get my last spare box and flash it, and when that one is banned i am going to go legit with a PS3.
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 02:02:00 AM
I feel slightly better now!!!
Post by: zuifon on November 05, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE
This would also be a good time to remind you that the warranty on an Xbox 360 console is not transferrable
This is totally illegal is some countries.
Post by: Exobex on November 05, 2009, 02:11:00 AM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 5 2009, 01:00 AM)
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.
If that were true, what happens to consoles that never connect to Live? Unlimited warranty or no warranty?
IIRC, the store/retailer that you bought the console from (somehow) sends the info to Microsoft - the warranty is activated once the consoles/box barcode is scanned.
I thought the warranty ran from date of manufacture, unless you've got a receipt to prove when you bought it. Most stores won't scan the serial number barcode anyway, so if the warranty automatically starts any later than the manufacture date, it probably starts the day the pallet of 360s leaves the warehouse.
QUOTE(pdawg @ Nov 5 2009, 01:19 AM)
This is true, I did this back in Sept. for a 360 I got off ebay that was repaired by MS for the RROD. I am still covered by the extended warranty too.
A friend of mine was refused repair on her almost-3-year-old 360 because it was second-hand. Xbox customer service supervisor ended up putting the phone down on her.
Post by: Charbless on November 05, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
QUOTE(jdsony @ Nov 5 2009, 09:13 AM)
For the GAMESTOP thing someone on Major Nelson's blog posted this:
"This is a HUGE problem for us here and Gamestop/EB Games. We have gotten more and more BRICKED 360s in for trade, so many theres been a GS corporate email thread about this very subject. We have no way in testing 360s at all, let alone seeing if they are bricked. Only about 15% of our 360 systems actually go to HQ for a referb, most of our 360 go in the back room, get their plastic cleaned, and then put on the shelf the next day, w/o any testing or referb'n.
(Poor customers who buy used actually think they are getting a referb, when that xbox was on someone else's TV yesterday.)
Because of this, we now have baker's dozens of angry costumers, and loads of returned BRICKED 360 that WE lost money on."
That's kind of what I expected and even if they did test them that's still a huge issue. I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel sales of used 360's though knowing how stupid EB's marketing department is I'm sure they would keep them.
Interesting but clearly must be a load of rubbish I know from working in retail you cant take something in and then just sell it without testing thats illegal unless you state it is untested.
Them moaning about poor on customers it's there own fault for being to lazy to check the goods also most retail companies if they get in a faulty console they will send it back to the distributor and get another one in its place.
QUOTE(Exobex @ Nov 5 2009, 11:11 AM)
I thought the warranty ran from date of manufacture, unless you've got a receipt to prove when you bought it. Most stores won't scan the serial number barcode anyway, so if the warranty automatically starts any later than the manufacture date, it probably starts the day the pallet of 360s leaves the warehouse.
A friend of mine was refused repair on her almost-3-year-old 360 because it was second-hand. Xbox customer service supervisor ended up putting the phone down on her.
Well MS appear to do it by the date on the back of the console.
So if you buy a 360 that has been in a store for say 2 years you will only get 1 year cover from ms but most places that sell pre owned will offer there own form of warranty.
Stores don't store bar code info for longer then 6 months only head office will have that information.
Post by: mat82284 on November 05, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
By them putting it in the discs would make the modding community wonder and wait for a while because they wouldn't bother looking at the discs for a while. Plus this would put a huge stop on people downloading games because the community doing it would be afraid to download. This is something that would really benefit microsoft.
This post has been edited by mat82284: Nov 5 2009, 10:29 AM
Post by: noodlemctwoodle on November 05, 2009, 02:27:00 AM
1.51 Lite-on
Was asking for it really playing MW2, Borderlands & Forza 3 early and patched to wave 3....
Just bought a RROD xbox for a tenner so will get that working and get back onlive as my profile is not banned..
Post by: nubianking on November 05, 2009, 02:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Kaisonic @ Nov 5 2009, 04:56 AM)
Anyone know of any bans that DIDN'T happen with a Lite-On? I'm thinking that's the culprit.
Seems to be a trend...
Can people please comment on what drive they have and what version.
Seem to be a lot of recently purchased lite-on's getting banned which is making me think Lite-On 83850c with ix1.6.
Also 1.51 owners on Sammy's and Benq's who can only be playing the newer games if they are patching the wave data as the boot disc won't work for them.
The more info that is gleaned the easier it is to work out what is happening.
Had my son check his about an hour ago and his lite-on 7 with 1.6 (only upgraded the flash last weekend after he couldn't use the boot disc and I realised he's been on 1.51 for ages.) and he can get on live no problems.
I'll check my sammy 1.61 when I get in.
Post by: 3-ranger on November 05, 2009, 02:46:00 AM
I played a little bit with selfmade copys CoD4, Lego Star Wars and Bionicle Heroes. Now i disconnect my xbox from the ethernet and i dont know if i´m banned.
Is it possible to see the ban on my xbox Live account? Login into xbox.com?
thx
Post by: ThaCrip on November 05, 2009, 02:48:00 AM
QUOTE(reddragon105 @ Nov 4 2009, 08:49 PM)
Might just get a PS3 for the DivX
get a XBox1 and put XBMC (XBox Media Center) on it for DivX/XviD support... it's THE BEST thing out there for that, hands down and it's MUCH cheaper than getting a PS3 just for DivX/XviD stuff.
you can stream XviD from PC to the XBox1 (if you got a router) with file shares etc etc. XBMC is the best for this stuff.
in fact, XviD (.avi) is the primary reason my original XBox1 console still see's a lot of use.
Post by: mat82284 on November 05, 2009, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE(3-ranger @ Nov 5 2009, 09:46 AM)
I have bought my Super Elite Forza 3 Bundle 250 GB ast week and flashed it with the ixtreme 1.6 FW.
I played a little bit with selfmade copys CoD4, Lego Star Wars and Bionicle Heroes. Now i disconnect my xbox from the ethernet and i dont know if i´m banned.
Is it possible to see the ban on my xbox Live account? Login into xbox.com?
thx
your account doesnt get banned only your xbox, the only way to know is log in. If you play a prerelase game early then you will not only get banned but loose your live account. I bet the people on MW2 will get the ban hammer before the release date, it would look bad to see lots of people on the first hour its released with high rankings.
Post by: Charbless on November 05, 2009, 03:04:00 AM
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 11:02 AM)
As you may have read online, we've been actively banning consoles from Xbox LIVE that have been modified to play pirated games. Our commitment to combat piracy and support safer(how the fuck is a backup game unsafe) and more secure gameplay for the more than 20 million members (without red ring)of our Xbox LIVE community remains a top priority. All consumers should know that piracy is illegal( who says it is illegal, you guys are putting a wall in front of a beach that should be public access and saying it is illegal to cross it, it is not illegal to backup a game you own to protect it from damage, expecially when this game costs 100$), and that modifying their Xbox 360 console to play pirated discs, violates the Xbox LIVE terms of use( making a console that does not last a year and breaks down violates several laws in our country, and to contiune to sell the faulty product is even worse, also only warranty 3 red ligh error and e74 when most if not all errors are related to the same problem with the poor design, cheap parts etc), will void their warranty ( their consoles are doomed to last a year anyway so who really cares, you will just replace it with the same faulty product with leaded solder anyway, maybe they get another 6 months of game play , just long enougth to get it outside of your extended warranty)) and result in a ban from Xbox LIVE. The health of the video game business depends on customers paying for the genuine products( the people that do make copys of games they do not own would never be able to afford to buy the original anyway, all it does is mean you get paid more for xbox live membership fees etc when the user would normally not use, this also makes this console affordable to people that cannot afford it normally and makes the comunity stronger, hence giving you brand name dominance. almost every one i know backups the games they actually own, me i play one game waw and quess what i own the original) and services they receive from manufacturers, retailers( how about you start supporting the retailers i have seen the low margins you give them on the consoles, and you say you are selling the console at a loss, thats bull shit, i can buy all the parts to make and xbox for around 45$ and then spend 20min to put it together), and the third parties that support them. This would also be a good time to remind you that the warranty on an Xbox 360 console is not transferrable and if you purchase a used console that has been previously banned, you will not be( yes because someone buys a console of someone else this instantly makes you not liable for selling a faulty product, nice work.)
I feel slightly better now!!!
1. Backups can be used to cheat there are a few out now with people modifying games to do things you shouldn't.
2. Piracy is illegal in the country's support by the 360 console and the typical moaning but your allowed to make a backup no your not if you knew the law you would know you can make a backup with the permission of who ever owns the content only so say you backup gow you would have to get permission from say Epic.
3. 360 failing doesn't break any laws otherwise there would be legal action against MS on a worldwide scale it has to go through tests and be certified before release which it passed.
4. Stating people pirate because they can't afford is a complete load of rubbish I know people that earn £5000 a month that pirate games, if you want something that bad you will work for the money and save up to get it but people don't do that because they see it as why pay £45 when I can get it for free.
5. Why should MS support retailers by giving them better rates for consoles when MS themselves make hardly anything on it and retailers make there money on games so the pirates are taking it away from retailers not MS.
6. So you can build an xb for 45 dollars ok so you go do that then - your full off it you no way could manufacture your own for that price maybe build out of old parts yes but that's not making now is it.
7. Used console is not MS problem they don't have to cover it it is for the place of purchase to cover if it becomes faulty or is banned that's the law and most places will state the warranty before you buy and say you purchase of a person they state it's in perfect order but you get it and it's banned then you can take action against them.
Post by: mik30 on November 05, 2009, 03:12:00 AM
QUOTE(thehoweller @ Nov 5 2009, 12:52 AM)
They can do whatever they want to their console. Buying a 360 is like renting property from Microsoft. You can use it, but only how they allow you to. If you go outside the scope of your agreement of use...Then you are subject to whatever changes and restrictions that they want to give you.
That statement is absolutely ridiculous... or fankly spoken: Pure Bullshit
Post by: Frogman7 on November 05, 2009, 03:13:00 AM
USA
Running Opus Xbox360
Original Liteon running ixtreme 1.6
Have only ran self made backups of Halo Wars and Guitar Hero World Tour
I spend at least $20 on XBL marketplace a year
Not banned
Post by: troublebreathing on November 05, 2009, 03:16:00 AM
Has anyone thought about this?
By the way, I'm in the USA running a 83850c lite-on console with 1.6
Played borderlands online early, and played forza 3 while logged in to live.
I've been playing Dragon Age Origins with the activate disc while logged into live, and Modern Warfare 2 with my wireless adapter and harddrive unplugged with a non-xbl account from a memory card.
I've bought a good amount of XBL:Arcade titles (BF:1943, Shadow Complex, etc.)
Not banned yet, but 3 of my 60+ customers have been banned. One guy got banned last saturday and only plays Madden 10. Literally that is all he has played.
The other guy got banned yesterday and plays fifa 10 and halo odst, and thats pretty much it.
Neither of them played early and all games were verified with abgx.
The other guy plays borderlands and NFS:Shift, not sure if he played early.
All mods were done using the xbox to power the drive.
I'd really like to know how they are figuring us out, if even just because i find it interesting.
This post has been edited by troublebreathing: Nov 5 2009, 11:24 AM
Post by: mik30 on November 05, 2009, 03:26:00 AM
QUOTE(g8crapachino @ Nov 5 2009, 07:26 AM)
Harddrive installs still work. You're just banned from live.
No, they do NOT!
The current ban now damages the HDD function of the
console. All operations end with an error message.
The HDD is still functional in an unbanned 360.
Damaging other peoples goods like the 360´s HDD function without
the owners approval is illegal in all western countries, not only
by civil law but also by criminal law.
MS can be easily sued for that in a civil trial and it
can aditionally be brought an action of legal proceedings
done by the prosecutor.
So I would advice all affected persons to go to
the police and report an offence against MS who damaged
the 360 intentionally and sue MS for compensation of the
damages.
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 03:30:00 AM
WTF MAN
1. Backups can be used to cheat there are a few out now with people modifying games to do things you shouldn't. i agree this is bad, but hard to do and people almost certainly get caught the moment they do so
2. Piracy is illegal in the country's support by the 360 console and the typical moaning but your allowed to make a backup no your not if you knew the law you would know you can make a backup with the permission of who ever owns the content only so say you backup gow you would have to get permission from say Epic.
this is crazy, in new zealand at least nobody has been sucessfully prosecuted for copying a game they own to protect it.
3. 360 failing doesn't break any laws otherwise there would be legal action against MS on a worldwide scale it has to go through tests and be certified before release which it passed.
now this staitment is compleatly untrue, it certainly breaks laws where i live, selling a knownly defective product is in breach of consumer garenties act and other laws. the item must be free from manufactures defects and funtion normally throught the lifetime of the product, creating a machine that does not do so is in breach this. lifetime of electronic good is 5 years, we are seeing 6 months to 3 years max out of these machines
4. Stating people pirate because they can't afford is a complete load of rubbish I know people that earn £5000 a month that pirate games, if you want something that bad you will work for the money and save up to get it but people don't do that because they see it as why pay £45 when I can get it for free. i also dont agree with this i think it is fair that the game developers get paid for their work. however the majority of people do pay for there games and this is all that should concern them.
5. Why should MS support retailers by giving them better rates for consoles when MS themselves make hardly anything on it and retailers make there money on games so the pirates are taking it away from retailers not MS. bull shit, have you seen inside an xbox before? pcb board+ $3 material max, capasitors bulk rate under 20C each, laser lense=under $4, plastic almost free, chip developed inhouse to save money. you have to remember they are buying these things on a mass scale. you have no idea how cheap the components are actually to buy.
6. So you can build an xb for 45 dollars ok so you go do that then - your full off it you no way could manufacture your own for that price maybe build out of old parts yes but that's not making now is it.yes indead there is no way i could manufacture my own for that price, i have no equipment( excluding bga rework station) or their buying power.
7. Used console is not MS problem( WTF if i sell something i sell it to work and would not sell a product i know is faulty or had faulure rates higher than 6%) they don't have to cover it it is for the place of purchase to cover( now your saying the retailer who has no mark up at all on these thinhgs should cover the warranty, when they are in no way a cause for the problem, thats retarded) if it becomes faulty or is banned that's the law and most places will state the warranty before you buy and say you purchase of a person they state it's in perfect order( its not in perfect order at all you know nothing about these consoles, its i time bomb, quarentied to fail) but you get it and it's banned then you can take action against them.
8. i work for microsoft. ( no shit)
This post has been edited by kiwimods: Nov 5 2009, 11:40 AM
Post by: InsaneNutter on November 05, 2009, 03:36:00 AM
QUOTE(mik30 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:26 AM)
Damaging other peoples goods like the 360´s HDD function without
the owners approval is illegal in all western countries, not only
by civil law but also by criminal law.
MS can be easily sued for that in a civil trial and it
can aditionally be brought an action of legal proceedings
done by the prosecutor.
So I would advice all affected persons to go to
the police and report an offence against MS who damaged
the 360 intentionally and sue MS for compensation of the
damages.
And piracy is legal right?
Think about what youÂ’re saying.
Im no legal expert but I would say Microsoft have more of a case against the majority of banned people than banned console owners do against Microsoft.
Post by: lukx on November 05, 2009, 03:58:00 AM
I'm working in 3d graphic industry and I somehow can't see my friends who works for game companies making huge amounts of money working huge overtimes, exhausting deadlines etc etc.! Where are all those money goes? Anyone though about it?
This post has been edited by lukx: Nov 5 2009, 11:58 AM
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 04:06:00 AM
QUOTE(InsaneNutter @ Nov 5 2009, 11:36 PM)
And piracy is legal right?
Think about what youÂ’re saying.
Im no legal expert but I would say Microsoft have more of a case against the majority of banned people than banned console owners do against Microsoft.
mass scale piracy is definatly not legal, however making a backup of a game you own should in any sensible court be considered acceptable. if you are selling games etc this is another story and not a good idea at all.
firstly a $130NZD disk with kids will not last 6 months with use. and needs to be replaced. it does not affect microsoft in the slightest if we have a copy of this to protect it.
secondly the console itself damages disks very often.
they have no right to damage your property you have brought the item and it should function as every one elses does. they own the rights to the software but have sold you a copy of said software hence you own one copy and should be able to do what you like with it.
others would offer xbox live services etc but most of the code has been blocked encrypted etc
they are within there bounds to ban anyone from service if it breaches any terms and conditions of service.
banning people for using third party hardware is anti competitive and normally gets shut down pretty quick, no person has enought money to chalenge this in court i would say.
M$ has recenty removed the V2 heat sinks from its jasper units to cut costs, i have since seen two of these consoles break down with graphics errors, they know this error occurs but also know that nobody that has lost 300$ on a console will prosecute them and if they did would probably loose. this is not ethical behaviour, yet they get there arms up in the air because somebody trys to protect there investment with a backup. or buy third party products that are cheaper.
Post by: Charbless on November 05, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 12:30 PM) 
Quote Charbless
WTF MAN
1. Backups can be used to cheat there are a few out now with people modifying games to do things you shouldn't. i agree this is bad, but hard to do and people almost certainly get caught the moment they do so
2. Piracy is illegal in the country's support by the 360 console and the typical moaning but your allowed to make a backup no your not if you knew the law you would know you can make a backup with the permission of who ever owns the content only so say you backup gow you would have to get permission from say Epic.
this is crazy, in new zealand at least nobody has been sucessfully prosecuted for copying a game they own to protect it.
3. 360 failing doesn't break any laws otherwise there would be legal action against MS on a worldwide scale it has to go through tests and be certified before release which it passed.
now this staitment is compleatly untrue, it certainly breaks laws where i live, selling a knownly defective product is in breach of consumer garenties act and other laws. the item must be free from manufactures defects and funtion normally throught the lifetime of the product, creating a machine that does not do so is in breach this. lifetime of electronic good is 5 years, we are seeing 6 months to 3 years max out of these machines
4. Stating people pirate because they can't afford is a complete load of rubbish I know people that earn £5000 a month that pirate games, if you want something that bad you will work for the money and save up to get it but people don't do that because they see it as why pay £45 when I can get it for free. i also dont agree with this i think it is fair that the game developers get paid for their work. however the majority of people do pay for there games and this is all that should concern them.
5. Why should MS support retailers by giving them better rates for consoles when MS themselves make hardly anything on it and retailers make there money on games so the pirates are taking it away from retailers not MS. bull shit, have you seen inside an xbox before? pcb board+ $3 material max, capasitors bulk rate under 20C each, laser lense=under $4, plastic almost free, chip developed inhouse to save money. you have to remember they are buying these things on a mass scale. you have no idea how cheap the components are actually to buy.
6. So you can build an xb for 45 dollars ok so you go do that then - your full off it you no way could manufacture your own for that price maybe build out of old parts yes but that's not making now is it.yes indead there is no way i could manufacture my own for that price, i have no equipment( excluding bga rework station) or their buying power.
7. Used console is not MS problem( WTF if i sell something i sell it to work and would not sell a product i know is faulty or had faulure rates higher than 6%) they don't have to cover it it is for the place of purchase to cover( now your saying the retailer who has no mark up at all on these thinhgs should cover the warranty, when they are in no way a cause for the problem, thats retarded) if it becomes faulty or is banned that's the law and most places will state the warranty before you buy and say you purchase of a person they state it's in perfect order( its not in perfect order at all you know nothing about these consoles, its i time bomb, quarentied to fail) but you get it and it's banned then you can take action against them.
8. i work for microsoft. ( no shit)
2. because no one has been prosecuted that you have heard of doesn't make it right thats like saying i stabbed some one but got away with it so it's fine.
3. If it's so clear cut why haven't you or any others taken legal action? the way your stating it you would win with no effort needed.
4. so your saying because some pay for the games then others shouldn't have to ok that is fair.
5. Like I said you go build it then and prove me wrong your prices are a joke anyone who has proper knowledge of how the process works knows it does cost near what ms has stated even places did builds themselves few months back showing the true prices of the parts alone bulk plays a part but not on the scale your trying to make out.
7. Your making yourself look very stupid and you need to brush up on your business also law skills, listen your contract is with retailer not ms if you have any problem you go to retailer it's the retailers job to deal with faulty products within a set time period and MS offering the 3 year warranty was up to them they didn't have to by law they are giving an extra service.
8.You work for MS ok so what does that matter plenty of people work for them it means nothing.
Post by: Jyffe on November 05, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
read some posts from user and notice she/he might have modded console.
and then just ban.
Post by: drone69 on November 05, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
In the EU it is legal to backup a game that you legally own, the reason just try finding an original game disc for a game made 4 years ago.. There is even a law that makes it illegal for M$ to stop you using content you have paid for, even on a hacked 360.
Post by: Charbless on November 05, 2009, 04:23:00 AM
QUOTE(lukx @ Nov 5 2009, 12:58 PM)
common, MS is just greedy SOB ! If they drop prices of games for xbox to the level of prices for PC I would buy it with a heartbeat. Why the hell it's more expensive? And don't tell me because I'm paying less for console than for pc, cause it's the stupidest thing I can hear !!! IT'S GREED, MONEY LOVE, GREED and more GREED !!!
I'm working in 3d graphic industry and I somehow can't see my friends who works for game companies making huge amounts of money working huge overtimes, exhausting deadlines etc etc.! Where are all those money goes? Anyone though about it?
MS don't do the pricing of games unless they are there own studio it's retailers and developers that price them.
pc market wasn't very large when it comes to games that is why they was cheaper and they make there money of console games that is another reason pc games are cheaper but even them now are begin to be expensive.
Employees never see the big bucks it always goes to higher up the chain or it goes to reinvestments of other projects.
QUOTE(drone69 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:13 PM)
Didn`t M$ extended the warranty to 3 years because of the threat of a class action lawsuit in the US?
In the EU it is legal to backup a game that you legally own, the reason just try finding an original game disc for a game made 4 years ago.. There is even a law that makes it illegal for M$ to stop you using content you have paid for, even on a hacked 360.
No
In the EU your allowed are you well I wonder if that works in UK because are law states your not even allowed to copy cd to tape.
People are missing the point you have to modify your console to run backup games this clearly is breach of ms terms so they can ban it don't matter if your country allows backups or not.
Post by: damn! on November 05, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=12323.0
Post by: HacksawJimDuggen on November 05, 2009, 05:02:00 AM
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 05:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 6 2009, 12:13 AM)
2. because no one has been prosecuted that you have heard of doesn't make it right thats like saying i stabbed some one but got away with it so it's fine.( if mas people where being stabbed andevery one awaare of it and not eing prosecuted this indead would make it legel
3. If it's so clear cut why haven't you or any others taken legal action? the way your stating it you would win with no effort needed.( yes i win you said it now shut up
4. so your saying because some pay for the games then others shouldn't have to ok that is fair.( im saying in general people that can afford it do pay for the games yes indead.
5. Like I said you go build it then and prove me wrong your prices are a joke anyone who has proper knowledge of how the process works knows it does cost near what ms has stated even places did builds themselves few months back showing the true prices of the parts alone bulk plays a part but not on the scale your trying to make out.( like i said i actually repair these things for a lving and i can buy most of the componets for next to nothing, if the parts were so expencsive m$ would offer a buy back or trade in for each fautly xbox. i can buy capacitors wafer board and dvd drive for next to nothing) i do not have the equipment to manufacture the xbox so get a grip)
7. Your making yourself look very stupid and you need to brush up on your business also law skills, listen your contract is with retailer not ms if you have any problem you go to retailer it's the retailers job to deal with faulty products within a set time period and MS offering the 3 year warranty was up to them they didn't have to by law they are giving an extra service.( i am the retailer dude how is my fault that ms stuffed up there design?
8.You work for MS ok so what does that matter plenty of people work for them it means nothing.( i dont work for ms i was implying that you do
Post by: nha on November 05, 2009, 05:10:00 AM
I'll refer to those finding cheaper alternatives as Pirates because thats what you like to refer to them as - sounds more dangerous and illegal I guess.
1. Pirates get to play the game first before those who pay! Faster delivery needed.
2. Pirates pay nothing, we pay far too much for a game that in a years time will be outdated and cheap (there is NO long term playability in a society where technology is constantly advancing - you are not making films! - games look dated very quickly)
3. Bring down the cost of your xbox live service! You just mentioned 20 million users on xbox live - OMG! Each one paying £35 (uk cost) that equals 700 million annually!!! Now I see why you need 3rd party games to sell so well and why we've seen a decline in multiplayer split screen from one console!
Come on MS, We're not all stupid - you need to work harder!
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 05:12:00 AM
QUOTE(damn! @ Nov 6 2009, 12:28 AM)
Someone read my ban theory about LiteOn?
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=12323.0
some console returned from repair centers dont even have the barcode info etc.
shit as i typed that i relized that this console that has been banned had previously been repaird by ms and may have been missing the barcode info from factory, every time i am asked to rebuild it with jungle flasher i always leave it as it was dumped. let me dump it and check.
"Edit" the serial info etc is all valid and normal.
Post by: Gigarom on November 05, 2009, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: aswilbourn on November 05, 2009, 05:19:00 AM
Post by: Dstream on November 05, 2009, 05:24:00 AM
if they can detect it there is your answer. there will be a difference.
Post by: 3-ranger on November 05, 2009, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Gigarom @ Nov 5 2009, 01:18 PM)
I unplug the month of November each year and just play offline. It's worth it to be able to play the rest of the year.
This helps? I think you will be flagged before and then get the ban. Or you have just luck.
Post by: TimberWolf5 on November 05, 2009, 05:31:00 AM
QUOTE(DuBob4432 @ Nov 5 2009, 08:17 AM)
ding, ding, ding this is it. if you have known any programmers that make their own hardware and software for even simple devices, the amount of control is total - it is my opinion that ms knows what consoles are modded and then use a random # generator to ban the consoles, thus the reason nobody can figure out the reasons - because they are completely random and can be anybody w/ a banned console.
also, i am pretty sure that the ban waves don't happen nearly as much outside the US is because of the issues w/ the 360 and the scratching of the games - other countries aren't owned by the riaa/mpaa and feel that people should be able to make a backup, especially when a player has a reputation of messing up discs.
It could be true that Micro$oft doesn't ban canadian consoles as much as U.S consoles but I dont know for sure. I know that 1 of my customers was banned during the Forza wave. I did a drive switch in that console and I think I forgot to spoof correctly.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 05:35:00 AM
QUOTE(nevernamed @ Nov 4 2009, 10:48 PM)
well today I was banned. WAs running 1.6 til 1.61 came out.. I played 1 wave4 game. the new gta disc..
never played early. never played anhything taht didnt verify.
But I too wonder if autofixing is the best solution with ABGX.. maybe there is something to it.
I also played UFC when it came out. And I heard there was an error with that game. How mayn of the banned people played that before the error was corrected.. I'm wondering if that is something.
Everybody who claims to have only played "their own backups" and got banned also claim to have verified every game with ABGX. This is a common theme right now.
I wonder if there are a few corrupted entries in their database, and "auto-fix" is turning their "confirmed backups" into poison pills that Microsoft can easily detect.
Personally, I've never trusted ABGX, and I've burned all my backups on a Kreon drive. I don't know if my status has changed, but my kid was playing last night and didn't seem to have any issues with Live.
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 05:43:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 6 2009, 01:35 AM)
Everybody who claims to have only played "their own backups" and got banned also claim to have verified every game with ABGX. This is a common theme right now.
I wonder if there are a few corrupted entries in their database, and "auto-fix" is turning their "confirmed backups" into poison pills that Microsoft can easily detect.
Personally, I've never trusted ABGX, and I've burned all my backups on a Kreon drive. I don't know if my status has changed, but my kid was playing last night and didn't seem to have any issues with Live.
thats very possible as most games online have been tested with abg before upload, on the other hand i have had a few kreon drives throw out invalid ss or partially invalid..
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 05:57:00 AM
QUOTE(vumpler @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 AM)
Like I said I stand to testify that they are absolutely doing something we know nothing about. How? My neighbor hasn't played anything BUT borderlands after it was verified (and yes i ran the disc after the burn to make sure it verified again.)
Its the only game he's had and we modded his box last wednesday.
Liteon 1.6 btw
go rent the game or buy it....then make an iso. Then get an MD5 off each iso.
I also never thought this but some people may open the iso file which would not contain layer break info. The burning software would just add it's own layer break.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 08:43 AM)
thats very possible as most games online have been tested with abg before upload, on the other hand i have had a few kreon drives throw out invalid ss or partially invalid..
Well, I'm not banned yet. I've never had a problem with the Kreon drive backups having invalid info.
Last year's wave had a lot of people report stuff that later turned out to be bending the truth just a bit (i.e. they played one of the two poison pills, but claimed they hadn't). There seem to be quite a few banned users this time who insist they never played downloaded games... and there are no obvious poison pills this time - but the consistent part seems to be "confirmed with abgx" which raises a big red flag for me.
The relevant point here is:
If abgx is 'autofixing' backups with bad data, Microsoft could spot that in an instant.
Since I don't use the tool, I'm not sure what process is used to "verify" that their database info is correct and up to date. If they just use the first entry they get, or first two or three matches, from outside users, then it seems Microsoft could easily corrupt their database with known bad information. "Auto-fixing" your own backups would propagate the corrupted sectors and give Microsoft an easy detection point.
Just sayin'
Post by: Djpj on November 05, 2009, 06:08:00 AM
) Does that for example happen to originals if you put those in?
Would be nice from microsoft, when the xbox 3 comes out, that they let us know why we got banned.
Post by: Arijohn on November 05, 2009, 06:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 4 2009, 08:34 PM)
I still think they can only detect the disk. Those whoo make their own appear to be safe. The ones who made their own then verified with ABGX seem to be the only ones who say they were banned when making their own. I messed with ABGX for a while but every game said it was not valid...I just ignored it and moved on. Me and every console I have done are good
Same here.
My question is when abgx verifies it. Who is it being verified by?
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 6 2009, 02:06 AM)
Just sayin'
agree with ya man. also the ss that were invalid where only detected by abg as invalid and booted up fine in the xbox.
who's to say the rip in data base is correct, this is a good theory. i think xbc and imgburn work good enough alone with a kreon, i think the problem definatly lys with the following from my reading:
downloaded games from different regions poping up days after release all over the world, but are taged as region free so work in all consoles.
pre release games being used
corruped images
moddified ss
bad burns with DL buners
dont think has anything to do with firmware, problem seems to be user error. maybe also bad spoofing
but if it is the disks we should be able to duplicate results using a disk that banned one console in another unbanned console and seeing if it gets banned
Post by: tactical on November 05, 2009, 06:35:00 AM
If I'm in Canada and I'm getting a game's DATA that was from a game a person in Germany gave to abgx and is REGION FREE , that might flag me in Canada if I use his game data to check mine.
Hopefully ABGX will do this and we can all check all our games again and see what other country game data we used from the DATABASE and correct it with info from our REGION.
This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 5 2009, 02:43 PM
Post by: mikeer990 on November 05, 2009, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: Arijohn on November 05, 2009, 06:49:00 AM
QUOTE(mikeer990 @ Nov 5 2009, 08:43 AM)
has anybody been banned who is ixtreme1.5 and below?? From what i hear and observe everyone who got banned is 1.6... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I flash everyone with 1.5 and we patch the games.
Still good over here.
Post by: Charbless on November 05, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
QUOTE
2. because no one has been prosecuted that you have heard of doesn't make it right thats like saying i stabbed some one but got away with it so it's fine.( if mas people where being stabbed andevery one awaare of it and not eing prosecuted this indead would make it legel
3. If it's so clear cut why haven't you or any others taken legal action? the way your stating it you would win with no effort needed.( yes i win you said it now shut up
4. so your saying because some pay for the games then others shouldn't have to ok that is fair.( im saying in general people that can afford it do pay for the games yes indead.
5. Like I said you go build it then and prove me wrong your prices are a joke anyone who has proper knowledge of how the process works knows it does cost near what ms has stated even places did builds themselves few months back showing the true prices of the parts alone bulk plays a part but not on the scale your trying to make out.( like i said i actually repair these things for a lving and i can buy most of the componets for next to nothing, if the parts were so expencsive m$ would offer a buy back or trade in for each fautly xbox. i can buy capacitors wafer board and dvd drive for next to nothing) i do not have the equipment to manufacture the xbox so get a grip)
7. Your making yourself look very stupid and you need to brush up on your business also law skills, listen your contract is with retailer not ms if you have any problem you go to retailer it's the retailers job to deal with faulty products within a set time period and MS offering the 3 year warranty was up to them they didn't have to by law they are giving an extra service.( i am the retailer dude how is my fault that ms stuffed up there design?
8.You work for MS ok so what does that matter plenty of people work for them it means nothing.( i dont work for ms i was implying that you do
3. If it's so clear cut why haven't you or any others taken legal action? the way your stating it you would win with no effort needed.( yes i win you said it now shut up
4. so your saying because some pay for the games then others shouldn't have to ok that is fair.( im saying in general people that can afford it do pay for the games yes indead.
5. Like I said you go build it then and prove me wrong your prices are a joke anyone who has proper knowledge of how the process works knows it does cost near what ms has stated even places did builds themselves few months back showing the true prices of the parts alone bulk plays a part but not on the scale your trying to make out.( like i said i actually repair these things for a lving and i can buy most of the componets for next to nothing, if the parts were so expencsive m$ would offer a buy back or trade in for each fautly xbox. i can buy capacitors wafer board and dvd drive for next to nothing) i do not have the equipment to manufacture the xbox so get a grip)
7. Your making yourself look very stupid and you need to brush up on your business also law skills, listen your contract is with retailer not ms if you have any problem you go to retailer it's the retailers job to deal with faulty products within a set time period and MS offering the 3 year warranty was up to them they didn't have to by law they are giving an extra service.( i am the retailer dude how is my fault that ms stuffed up there design?
8.You work for MS ok so what does that matter plenty of people work for them it means nothing.( i dont work for ms i was implying that you do
ok so you buy parts which you state cost peanuts i will agree with the parts you stated do cost almost nothing but they don't make a 360 also if you get dvd drive so cheap why is your store price so high 75 dollars for a dvd drive is not peanuts at all?
so your a retailer then you should know the law which you dont so clearly your just an online seller and you should be pleased with all the screw ups it keeps you employed.
I have worked for ms what does that matter i had nothing to do with 360 i was just a network engineer.
you should of said you can do a patch up job for 45 dollars.
I would advise go back to uni to look up law you would then see what i stated about retailer is in fact correct if i buy a console from you and it is broken then ms dont have to deal with it you do that is the sales of goods act.
Post by: kane0021 on November 05, 2009, 06:52:00 AM
Post by: dragonz on November 05, 2009, 06:56:00 AM
QUOTE(mikeer990 @ Nov 5 2009, 09:43 AM)
has anybody been banned who is ixtreme1.5 and below?? From what i hear and observe everyone who got banned is 1.6... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Banned with 1.51 Sammy.
Post by: jean-dread on November 05, 2009, 06:58:00 AM
here don't exist LIVE Service, people use fake address, normally USA
a LOT Bans!
My Jasper is on LIVE yet...
June/09
LiteOn iX 1.6
No one Wave4
No one Pre-Release...
here we say to this situation: Run to Hill!
Post by: mikeer990 on November 05, 2009, 07:00:00 AM
QUOTE(dragonz @ Nov 5 2009, 02:56 PM)
Banned with 1.51 Sammy.
hmm.... probably ms has been busy investigating and shit before they used the banhammer.... or maybe wave3 to wave4 transition problems of iextreme? just saying.
Who got banned here who doesn't the firmware version capable of reading wave4 games???
Post by: dragonz on November 05, 2009, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(mikeer990 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:00 AM)
hmm.... probably ms has been busy investigating and shit before they used the banhammer.... or maybe wave3 to wave4 transition problems of iextreme? just saying.
Who got banned here who doesn't the firmware version capable of reading wave4 games???
Never played a wave4 in it, was going to flash it to 1.61 this weekend before I got banned. I was banned last friday and didn't find out until Sunday when I fired it up as I was out of town.
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE(Arijohn @ Nov 5 2009, 08:10 AM)
Same here.
My question is when abgx verifies it. Who is it being verified by?
Its verification process is actually comparing your dwlds to legit games and their crc information.
This is why it takes time for some games to actually show up in their DB. They compare every single game including region games to scene rips that are released online. Its safer to autofix a sketchy rls but i feel that your pretty much on the radar the moment one of those legit rlses is flagged. This means, techinically someone at the ABGX purchases a copy of each matching rls.. not easy. Not at all.
Oh well its better than nothing. I wont be connecting my xbox till the ban season is over and just try to surf it out like everyone else who skips going on live during these times.
This post has been edited by seven2099: Nov 5 2009, 03:25 PM
Post by: geeck on November 05, 2009, 07:13:00 AM
XBL isn't officialy supported in Poland, so everyone choose UK as their country. Microsoft knows about this, and they said that they won't ban for this.
Yes, I've played Forza 3 but two days after official release.
If anyone is interested I sniffed some packets from Xbox360 while powering on and while trying to connect to XBL being banned.
Post by: aswilbourn on November 05, 2009, 07:33:00 AM
QUOTE(geeck @ Nov 5 2009, 04:13 PM)
XBL isn't officialy supported in Poland, so everyone choose UK as their country.
Someone In Poland choosing the UK as their country. Sounds familiar.
Only ribbing you mate!
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 07:36:00 AM
Last week I ripped my own copy of the new Grand Theft Auto game. When I went to verify with ABGX the program told me that it did not contain any of their verified security files and wanted to download and apply THEIR security files. I rip the game again from my retail game disk and again ABGX told me that I need to download and patch with THEIR verified game.
I have no doubt had I done what ABGX wanted I would have gotten banned. Since I didn't I have use my backup of my own retail game that abgx said is not valid without being banned.
This leads me to believe that some of the games in the ABGX database is not in fact verified or there is different RETAIL versions of the same game.
If you do what you are supposed to do and rip your own games NEVER patch them with ABGX.
This post has been edited by Ranger72: Nov 5 2009, 03:39 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on November 05, 2009, 07:37:00 AM
QUOTE(aswilbourn @ Nov 5 2009, 02:33 PM)
Someone In Poland choosing the UK as their country. Sounds familiar.
Only ribbing you mate!
LOL
Post by: canad on November 05, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(geeck @ Nov 5 2009, 03:13 PM)
If anyone is interested I sniffed some packets from Xbox360 while powering on and while trying to connect to XBL being banned.
Post what you can, maybe we can disasemble. unless its high encrypted??
Post by: vumpler on November 05, 2009, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(geeck @ Nov 5 2009, 08:13 AM)
If anyone is interested I sniffed some packets from Xbox360 while powering on and while trying to connect to XBL being banned.
Holy shit, thats awesome. Post em up.
Post by: 2pacalypse on November 05, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
I was about to get my xbox flashed today untill i heard the news of the banning.
would you recommend that i still go ahead with it or should i wait?
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533a 2073 7364 703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c S: ssdp:alive..L
4f43 4154 494f 4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f OCATION: http://
3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 10.10.10.7:1026/
0d0a 5553 4e3a 2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 ..USN: uuid:7626
3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 5818-3405-2000-0
3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 000-001dd8809f00
3a3a 7570 6e70 3a72 6f6f 7464 6576 6963 ::upnp:rootdevic
650d 0a43 4143 4845 2d43 4f4e 5452 4f4c e..CACHE-CONTROL
3a20 6d61 782d 6167 653d 3138 3030 0d0a : max-age=1800..
5345 5256 4552 3a20 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 SERVER: Xbox/2.0
2e38 3935 352e 3020 5550 6e50 2f31 2e30 .8955.0 UPnP/1.0
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
0d0a 0d0a ....
0100 5e7f fffa 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..^...........E.
0126 eaab 0000 0111 ca10 0a0a 0a07 efff .&..............
fffa 221d 076c 0112 4be2 4e4f 5449 4659 .."..l..K.NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 2032 3339 2e32 3535 2e32 3535 2e32 T: 239.255.255.2
3530 3a31 3930 300d 0a4e 543a 2075 706e 50:1900..NT: upn
703a 726f 6f74 6465 7669 6365 0d0a 4e54 p:rootdevice..NT
533a 2073 7364 703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c S: ssdp:alive..L
4f43 4154 494f 4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f OCATION: http://
3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 10.10.10.7:1026/
0d0a 5553 4e3a 2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 ..USN: uuid:7626
3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 5818-3405-2000-0
3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 000-001dd8809f00
3a3a 7570 6e70 3a72 6f6f 7464 6576 6963 ::upnp:rootdevic
650d 0a43 4143 4845 2d43 4f4e 5452 4f4c e..CACHE-CONTROL
3a20 6d61 782d 6167 653d 3138 3030 0d0a : max-age=1800..
5345 5256 4552 3a20 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 SERVER: Xbox/2.0
2e38 3935 352e 3020 5550 6e50 2f31 2e30 .8955.0 UPnP/1.0
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
0d0a 0d0a ....
0100 5e7f fffa 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..^...........E.
012f eaac 0000 0111 ca06 0a0a 0a07 efff ./..............
fffa 221d 076c 011b 9ac4 4e4f 5449 4659 .."..l....NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 2032 3339 2e32 3535 2e32 3535 2e32 T: 239.255.255.2
3530 3a31 3930 300d 0a4e 543a 2075 7569 50:1900..NT: uui
643a 3736 3236 3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d d:76265818-3405-
3230 3030 2d30 3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 2000-0000-001dd8
3830 3966 3030 0d0a 4e54 533a 2073 7364 809f00..NTS: ssd
703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c 4f43 4154 494f p:alive..LOCATIO
4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f 3130 2e31 302e N: http://10.10.
3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 0d0a 5553 4e3a 10.7:1026/..USN:
2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 3538 3138 2d33 uuid:76265818-3
3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 3030 302d 3030 405-2000-0000-00
3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 0d0a 4341 4348 1dd8809f00..CACH
452d 434f 4e54 524f 4c3a 206d 6178 2d61 E-CONTROL: max-a
6765 3d31 3830 300d 0a53 4552 5645 523a ge=1800..SERVER:
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
2055 506e 502f 312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 UPnP/1.0 Xbox/2
2e30 2e38 3935 352e 300d 0a0d 0a .0.8955.0....
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
0250 eaa6 0000 4006 65e6 0a0a 0a07 0a0a [email protected].......
0a01 8e08 0b0c 24df 5bbb 0633 aaf2 5018 ......$.[..3..P.
4470 47f9 0000 504f 5354 202f 7570 6e70 DpG...POST /upnp
2f63 6f6e 7472 6f6c 2f77 616e 6970 636f /control/wanipco
6e6e 2d31 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a55 nn-1 HTTP/1.1..U
7365 722d 4167 656e 743a 2058 626f 782f ser-Agent: Xbox/
322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 2055 506e 502f 2.0.8955.0 UPnP/
312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 2e38 3935 1.0 Xbox/2.0.895
352e 300d 0a43 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f 6e3a 5.0..Connection:
204b 6565 702d 616c 6976 650d 0a48 6f73 Keep-alive..Hos
743a 3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e31 0d0a 534f t:10.10.10.1..SO
4150 4143 5449 4f4e 3a20 2275 726e 3a73 APACTION: "urn:s
6368 656d 6173 2d75 706e 702d 6f72 673a chemas-upnp-org:
7365 7276 6963 653a 5741 4e49 5043 6f6e service:WANIPCon
6e65 6374 696f 6e3a 3123 4765 7453 7461 nection:1#GetSta
7475 7349 6e66 6f22 0d0a 434f 4e54 454e tusInfo"..CONTEN
542d 5459 5045 3a20 7465 7874 2f78 6d6c T-TYPE: text/xml
3b20 6368 6172 7365 743d 2275 7466 2d38; charset="utf-8
220d 0a43 6f6e 7465 6e74 2d4c 656e 6774 "..Content-Lengt
683a 2032 3736 0d0a 0d0a 3c73 3a45 6e76 h: 276....
7474 703a 2f2f 7363 6865 6d61 732e 786d ttp://schemas.xm
6c73 6f61 702e 6f72 672f 736f 6170 2f65 lsoap.org/soap/e
6e76 656c 6f70 652f 2220 733a 656e 636f nvelope/" s:enco
6469 6e67 5374 796c 653d 2268 7474 703a dingStyle="http:
2f2f 7363 6865 6d61 732e 786d 6c73 6f61 //schemas.xmlsoa
702e 6f72 672f 736f 6170 2f65 6e63 6f64 p.org/soap/encod
696e 672f 223e 0d0a 2020 203c 733a 426f ing/">..
733a 753d 2275 726e 3a73 6368 656d 6173 s:u="urn:schemas
2d75 706e 702d 6f72 673a 7365 7276 6963 -upnp-org:servic
653a 5741 4e49 5043 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f e:WANIPConnectio
6e3a 3122 3e0d 0a20 2020 2020 203c 2f75 n:1">.. 3a47 6574 5374 6174 7573 496e 666f 3e0d :GetStatusInfo>.
0a20 2020 3c2f 733a 426f 6479 3e0d 0a3c . ..<
2f73 3a45 6e76 656c 6f70 653e 0d0a /s:Envelope>..
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
00a4 eac2 0000 4006 6776 0a0a 0a07 0a0a [email protected]......
0a01 b86e 0b0c 3e04 5fee 0dfe 8a69 5018 ...n..>._....iP.
4470 3ac3 0000 4745 5420 2f67 6174 6577 Dp:...GET /gatew
6179 2e78 6d6c 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d ay.xml HTTP/1.1.
0a55 7365 722d 4167 656e 743a 2058 626f .User-Agent: Xbo
782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 2055 506e x/2.0.8955.0 UPn
502f 312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 2e38 P/1.0 Xbox/2.0.8
3935 352e 300d 0a43 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f 955.0..Connectio
6e3a 204b 6565 702d 616c 6976 650d 0a48 n: Keep-alive..H
6f73 743a 3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e31 0d0a ost:10.10.10.1..
0d0a ..
01ac eaa5 0000 0111 c990 0a0a 0a07 efff ................
fffa 0401 076c 0198 522c 4e4f 5449 4659 .....l..R,NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 3233 392e 3235 352e 3235 352e 3235 T:239.255.255.25
303a 3139 3030 0d0a 4e54 3a75 726e 3a73 0:1900..NT:urn:s
6368 656d 6173 2d6d 6963 726f 736f 6674 chemas-microsoft
2d63 6f6d 3a6e 6865 643a 7072 6573 656e -com:nhed:presen
6365 3a31 0d0a 4e54 533a 7373 6470 3a61 ce:1..NTS:ssdp:a
6c69 7665 0d0a 4c4f 4341 5449 4f4e 3a2a live..LOCATION:*
0d0a 414c 3a3c 7572 6e3a 7363 6865 6d61 ..AL:
6e68 6564 3a61 7474 7269 6275 7465 733f nhed:attributes?
7479 7065 3d58 3032 2666 6972 6d77 6172 type=X02&firmwar
6576 6572 3d38 3935 352e 3026 7564 6e3d ever=8955.0&udn=
7575 6964 3a31 3030 3030 3030 302d 3030 uuid:10000000-00
3030 2d30 3030 302d 3032 3030 2d30 3031 00-0000-0200-001
4444 3838 3039 4630 303e 0d0a 4341 4348 DD8809F00>..CACH
452d 434f 4e54 524f 4c3a 6d61 782d 6167 E-CONTROL:max-ag
653d 340d 0a55 534e 3a75 7569 643a 3030 e=4..USN:uuid:00
3030 3030 3030 2d30 3030 302d 3030 3030 000000-0000-0000
2d30 3230 302d 3030 3144 4438 3830 3946 -0200-001DD8809F
3030 3a3a 7572 6e3a 7363 6865 6d61 732d 00::urn:schemas-
6d69 6372 6f73 6f66 742d 636f 6d3a 6e68 microsoft-com:nh
6564 3a70 7265 7365 6e63 653a 310d 0a53 ed:presence:1..S
4552 5645 523a 6461 7368 626f 6172 642f ERVER:dashboard/
312e 3020 5570 6e50 2f31 2e30 2078 626f 1.0 UpnP/1.0 xbo
782f 322e 300d 0a0d 0a00 x/2.0.....
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
0040 ea9b 0000 4011 67f6 0a0a 0a07 0a0a .@[email protected].......
0a01 04e8 0035 002c 9323 ea9a 0100 0001 .....5.,.#......
0000 0000 0000 0558 4554 4753 0858 424f .......XETGS.XBO
584c 4956 4503 434f 4d00 0001 0001 XLIVE.COM.....
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
0040 eab5 0000 4011 67dc 0a0a 0a07 0a0a .@[email protected].......
0a01 04e8 0035 002c 8a2f eab4 0100 0001 .....5.,./......
0000 0000 0000 0550 4946 4c43 0858 424f .......PIFLC.XBO
584c 4956 4503 434f 4d00 0001 0001 XLIVE.COM.....
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
0040 eabf 0000 4011 67d2 0a0a 0a07 0a0a .@[email protected].......
0a01 04e8 0035 002c 92ff eabe 0100 0001 .....5.,........
0000 0000 0000 0558 4554 4753 0858 424f .......XETGS.XBO
584c 4956 4503 434f 4d00 0001 0001 XLIVE.COM.....
0100 5e7f fffa 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..^...........E.
0126 eaaa 0000 0111 ca11 0a0a 0a07 efff .&..............
fffa 221d 076c 0112 4be2 4e4f 5449 4659 .."..l..K.NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 2032 3339 2e32 3535 2e32 3535 2e32 T: 239.255.255.2
3530 3a31 3930 300d 0a4e 543a 2075 706e 50:1900..NT: upn
703a 726f 6f74 6465 7669 6365 0d0a 4e54 p:rootdevice..NT
533a 2073 7364 703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c S: ssdp:alive..L
4f43 4154 494f 4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f OCATION: http://
3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 10.10.10.7:1026/
0d0a 5553 4e3a 2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 ..USN: uuid:7626
3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 5818-3405-2000-0
3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 000-001dd8809f00
3a3a 7570 6e70 3a72 6f6f 7464 6576 6963 ::upnp:rootdevic
650d 0a43 4143 4845 2d43 4f4e 5452 4f4c e..CACHE-CONTROL
3a20 6d61 782d 6167 653d 3138 3030 0d0a : max-age=1800..
5345 5256 4552 3a20 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 SERVER: Xbox/2.0
2e38 3935 352e 3020 5550 6e50 2f31 2e30 .8955.0 UPnP/1.0
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
0d0a 0d0a ....
0100 5e7f fffa 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..^...........E.
0126 eaab 0000 0111 ca10 0a0a 0a07 efff .&..............
fffa 221d 076c 0112 4be2 4e4f 5449 4659 .."..l..K.NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 2032 3339 2e32 3535 2e32 3535 2e32 T: 239.255.255.2
3530 3a31 3930 300d 0a4e 543a 2075 706e 50:1900..NT: upn
703a 726f 6f74 6465 7669 6365 0d0a 4e54 p:rootdevice..NT
533a 2073 7364 703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c S: ssdp:alive..L
4f43 4154 494f 4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f OCATION: http://
3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 10.10.10.7:1026/
0d0a 5553 4e3a 2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 ..USN: uuid:7626
3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 5818-3405-2000-0
3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 000-001dd8809f00
3a3a 7570 6e70 3a72 6f6f 7464 6576 6963 ::upnp:rootdevic
650d 0a43 4143 4845 2d43 4f4e 5452 4f4c e..CACHE-CONTROL
3a20 6d61 782d 6167 653d 3138 3030 0d0a : max-age=1800..
5345 5256 4552 3a20 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 SERVER: Xbox/2.0
2e38 3935 352e 3020 5550 6e50 2f31 2e30 .8955.0 UPnP/1.0
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
0d0a 0d0a ....
0100 5e7f fffa 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..^...........E.
012f eaac 0000 0111 ca06 0a0a 0a07 efff ./..............
fffa 221d 076c 011b 9ac4 4e4f 5449 4659 .."..l....NOTIFY
202a 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a48 4f53 * HTTP/1.1..HOS
543a 2032 3339 2e32 3535 2e32 3535 2e32 T: 239.255.255.2
3530 3a31 3930 300d 0a4e 543a 2075 7569 50:1900..NT: uui
643a 3736 3236 3538 3138 2d33 3430 352d d:76265818-3405-
3230 3030 2d30 3030 302d 3030 3164 6438 2000-0000-001dd8
3830 3966 3030 0d0a 4e54 533a 2073 7364 809f00..NTS: ssd
703a 616c 6976 650d 0a4c 4f43 4154 494f p:alive..LOCATIO
4e3a 2068 7474 703a 2f2f 3130 2e31 302e N: http://10.10.
3130 2e37 3a31 3032 362f 0d0a 5553 4e3a 10.7:1026/..USN:
2075 7569 643a 3736 3236 3538 3138 2d33 uuid:76265818-3
3430 352d 3230 3030 2d30 3030 302d 3030 405-2000-0000-00
3164 6438 3830 3966 3030 0d0a 4341 4348 1dd8809f00..CACH
452d 434f 4e54 524f 4c3a 206d 6178 2d61 E-CONTROL: max-a
6765 3d31 3830 300d 0a53 4552 5645 523a ge=1800..SERVER:
2058 626f 782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 Xbox/2.0.8955.0
2055 506e 502f 312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 UPnP/1.0 Xbox/2
2e30 2e38 3935 352e 300d 0a0d 0a .0.8955.0....
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
0250 eaa6 0000 4006 65e6 0a0a 0a07 0a0a [email protected].......
0a01 8e08 0b0c 24df 5bbb 0633 aaf2 5018 ......$.[..3..P.
4470 47f9 0000 504f 5354 202f 7570 6e70 DpG...POST /upnp
2f63 6f6e 7472 6f6c 2f77 616e 6970 636f /control/wanipco
6e6e 2d31 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d 0a55 nn-1 HTTP/1.1..U
7365 722d 4167 656e 743a 2058 626f 782f ser-Agent: Xbox/
322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 2055 506e 502f 2.0.8955.0 UPnP/
312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 2e38 3935 1.0 Xbox/2.0.895
352e 300d 0a43 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f 6e3a 5.0..Connection:
204b 6565 702d 616c 6976 650d 0a48 6f73 Keep-alive..Hos
743a 3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e31 0d0a 534f t:10.10.10.1..SO
4150 4143 5449 4f4e 3a20 2275 726e 3a73 APACTION: "urn:s
6368 656d 6173 2d75 706e 702d 6f72 673a chemas-upnp-org:
7365 7276 6963 653a 5741 4e49 5043 6f6e service:WANIPCon
6e65 6374 696f 6e3a 3123 4765 7453 7461 nection:1#GetSta
7475 7349 6e66 6f22 0d0a 434f 4e54 454e tusInfo"..CONTEN
542d 5459 5045 3a20 7465 7874 2f78 6d6c T-TYPE: text/xml
3b20 6368 6172 7365 743d 2275 7466 2d38; charset="utf-8
220d 0a43 6f6e 7465 6e74 2d4c 656e 6774 "..Content-Lengt
683a 2032 3736 0d0a 0d0a 3c73 3a45 6e76 h: 276....
7474 703a 2f2f 7363 6865 6d61 732e 786d ttp://schemas.xm
6c73 6f61 702e 6f72 672f 736f 6170 2f65 lsoap.org/soap/e
6e76 656c 6f70 652f 2220 733a 656e 636f nvelope/" s:enco
6469 6e67 5374 796c 653d 2268 7474 703a dingStyle="http:
2f2f 7363 6865 6d61 732e 786d 6c73 6f61 //schemas.xmlsoa
702e 6f72 672f 736f 6170 2f65 6e63 6f64 p.org/soap/encod
696e 672f 223e 0d0a 2020 203c 733a 426f ing/">..
733a 753d 2275 726e 3a73 6368 656d 6173 s:u="urn:schemas
2d75 706e 702d 6f72 673a 7365 7276 6963 -upnp-org:servic
653a 5741 4e49 5043 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f e:WANIPConnectio
6e3a 3122 3e0d 0a20 2020 2020 203c 2f75 n:1">.. 3a47 6574 5374 6174 7573 496e 666f 3e0d :GetStatusInfo>.
0a20 2020 3c2f 733a 426f 6479 3e0d 0a3c . ..<
2f73 3a45 6e76 656c 6f70 653e 0d0a /s:Envelope>..
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
00a4 eac2 0000 4006 6776 0a0a 0a07 0a0a [email protected]......
0a01 b86e 0b0c 3e04 5fee 0dfe 8a69 5018 ...n..>._....iP.
4470 3ac3 0000 4745 5420 2f67 6174 6577 Dp:...GET /gatew
6179 2e78 6d6c 2048 5454 502f 312e 310d ay.xml HTTP/1.1.
0a55 7365 722d 4167 656e 743a 2058 626f .User-Agent: Xbo
782f 322e 302e 3839 3535 2e30 2055 506e x/2.0.8955.0 UPn
502f 312e 3020 5862 6f78 2f32 2e30 2e38 P/1.0 Xbox/2.0.8
3935 352e 300d 0a43 6f6e 6e65 6374 696f 955.0..Connectio
6e3a 204b 6565 702d 616c 6976 650d 0a48 n: Keep-alive..H
6f73 743a 3130 2e31 302e 3130 2e31 0d0a ost:10.10.10.1..
0d0a ..
Nothing interesting IMO.
The most interesting sniffing was when I've tried to manually connect to XBL. Here goes:
CODE
000c 4257 8946 001d d880 9f00 0800 4500 ..BW.F........E.
031c eab8 0000 4006 0d2d 0a0a 0a07 4137 [email protected]
2aaf d37a 0050 2727 2f8a fffa 2574 5018 *..z.P''/...%tP.
433c f1d3 0000 4745 5420 2f6d 7367 7365 C<....GET /msgse
7276 6572 2f6c 6f67 7374 7269 6e67 322e rver/logstring2.
6173 6878 3f76 6964 3d30 3030 3030 3030 ashx?vid=0000000
3030 3030 3030 3030 3026 7632 3d75 6e6b 000000000&v2=unk
6e6f 776e 2676 333d 3125 3341 3030 2676 nown&v3=1%3A00&v
343d 706c 2676 353d 504c 2676 363d 4e6f 4=pl&v5=PL&v6=No
6e65 2676 393d 3132 3830 7837 3230 7025 ne&v9=1280x720p%
3230 5725 3230 4844 4d49 2676 3131 3d31 20W%20HDMI&v11=1
3039 3536 3826 7631 323d 3331 3839 3526 09568&v12=31895&
7631 333d 3130 302e 3030 3026 7631 343d v13=100.000&v14=
3125 3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 3126 7631 1%2C0%2C0%2C1&v1
353d 3025 3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 3025 5=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%
3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 3026 7631 363d 2C0%2C0%2C0&v16=
756e 6b6e 6f77 6e26 7631 373d 3025 3243 unknown&v17=0%2C
3025 3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C
3025 3243 3025 3243 3026 7631 383d 3025 0%2C0%2C0&v18=0%
3243 3025 3243 3025 3243 6469 7361 626c 2C0%2C0%2Cdisabl
6564 2676 313d 4c6f 676f 6e46 6169 6c5f ed&v1=LogonFail_
5467 7326 7632 303d 3839 3535 2676 3231 Tgs&v20=8955&v21
3d30 3833 3830 3946 3030 3426 7632 323d =083809F004&v22=
4646 4645 3037 4431 2676 3233 3d30 3030 FFFE07D1&v23=000
3030 3038 3826 7632 343d 3830 3135 3139 00088&v24=801519
3044 2676 3235 3d30 3030 3030 3030 4226 0D&v25=0000000B&
7632 363d 3030 3030 4630 3031 2676 3237 v26=0000F001&v27
3d30 3241 3036 3032 3026 7632 383d 3830 =02A06020&v28=80
3135 3139 3044 2676 3239 3d30 4130 4130 15190D&v29=0A0A0
4130 3730 4330 3230 4330 3226 7633 303d A070C020C02&v30=
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As you can see there are many parameters (such as resolution) marked as "v##".
Few discovered by me:
v24 is Z:
v25 is W:
v26 is X:
(while checking XBL status error codes).
What do you think about this guys?
This post has been edited by geeck: Nov 5 2009, 03:57 PM
Post by: vumpler on November 05, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(2pacalypse @ Nov 5 2009, 08:51 AM)
I was about to get my xbox flashed today untill i heard the news of the banning.
would you recommend that i still go ahead with it or should i wait?
wait
When you get banned for only playing 1 game online that was verified, wait until someone finds out wtf is going on.
Post by: Refferehtom on November 05, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 4 2009, 09:00 PM)
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.
If that were true, what happens to consoles that never connect to Live? Unlimited warranty or no warranty?
IIRC, the store/retailer that you bought the console from (somehow) sends the info to Microsoft - the warranty is activated once the consoles/box barcode is scanned.
Exactly, the warranty starts from the original purchase date. I know because I have a 2nd hand box and the 3 year warranty expired in January (Original Purchase Date). I had to argue with them to get them to fix it and they agreed. Just waiting on the label now.
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 09:36 AM)
I am completely convinced it is ABGX that is the culprit here.
Last week I ripped my own copy of the new Grand Theft Auto game. When I went to verify with ABGX the program told me that it did not contain any of their verified security files and wanted to download and apply THEIR security files. I rip the game again from my retail game disk and again ABGX told me that I need to download and patch with THEIR verified game.
I have no doubt had I done what ABGX wanted I would have gotten banned. Since I didn't I have use my backup of my own retail game that abgx said is not valid without being banned.
This leads me to believe that some of the games in the ABGX database is not in fact verified or there is different RETAIL versions of the same game.
If you do what you are supposed to do and rip your own games NEVER patch them with ABGX.
Ok wait a second man. I dont think you understand what you're saying. Look, if you rip your own game, then there is no need to patch your rip with ABGX's files man. You simply verify it but don't worry if it tells you that it doesn't match any known online source. ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MATCH IT because its YOUR OWN GAME. But if your rip is succesful then it should pass all verification, except for the online matches. If the rip is BAD then it will tell you clearly and of course it will fail matching anything online.
If your rip is bad but you wish to patch it with their information, then do it.. (AT YOUR OWN RISK, as it clearly states) but.. if you don't want to then re-rip the game and if the rip is good, it SHOULD pass all verification (again, minus the matches with their own SS info)
Thats really what ABGX is for.
As for downloaded rips, they have a dbase that checks common scene rips with a corresponding legitimate game and if your download is corrupt then you patch it with their known legitimate information but always patching games, YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you only used your own rips, and ABGX told you it didnt pass verification and prompted you to patch your rip with their info.. its not because it just didn't match with their known verified SS information, but also because your rip IS BAD. And if you did NOT patch it, you shot just owned yourself. and if you did, well your chances of getting caught are lessend but that does not mean you are 100% safe.
Hope that clarifies that for you buddy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Usually you always hear loads of strange assumptions people make when they dont understand something. In anycase if there is somone to blame its the people who burn and rip their games.. 99% of the time.
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(g8crapachino @ Nov 5 2009, 06:26 AM)
Harddrive installs still work. You're just banned from live.
Either way, don't pretend to be a lawyer. No legislative body would waste their time to make a law regulating XBOX HDD installs.
Could some banned people clarify this for everyone?
Does getting banned from XBOX LIVE always result in not being able to install games onto the HDD?
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 10:04 AM)
Could some banned people clarify this for everyone?
Does getting banned from XBOX LIVE always result in not being able to install games onto the HDD?
getting your Xbox banned DOES result in you having installing games on HDD feature disabled.
but if your account gets banned, then no, you can still install games on ur xbox.
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE(geeck @ Nov 5 2009, 03:55 PM)
As you can see there are many parameters (such as resolution) marked as "v##".
Few discovered by me:
v24 is Z:
v25 is W:
v26 is X:
(while checking XBL status error codes).
What do you think about this guys?
Be interesting to know your Drive Serial and Console Serial for comparison to see what the version compares are... it looks like that information could be pumped and filters threw another computer and prevent this from happening...
Post by: Fatalshotz on November 05, 2009, 08:21:00 AM
i think that a few things are happenning here, and let me first say it cant be that ms can detect firwares, because all modded boxes would be banned by now, and no just 1.5 up, dont make sense because if they could detect any then they can detect all. also that of they been nice and only banning a few is a total bull****. also i flashed all boxes with the xbox power so if thats the case then all my xboxs would be banned too. yeah, i do verify my games thru abgx so also if thats the source for the bans, then again all boxes would be banned...so maybe they are different things happenning here, the early players are been banned because common sense if you played early, chances are you do have a modded box. also maybe some people got cought using not so good backups.. but one thing that is begging to stick in my head, what about if ms started using something in the new game from osdt up that we dont know about and that when creating a backup, that info is left out... maybe this can be it but im not an expert on backups... but anyways i do hope we can figure this out... at the moment im playing with the harddribe from banned xbox and using it in one of my other xboxs and so far no ban. i just had to delete one of my game saves, the other ones are working perfectly...i didnt format or anything. hope this helps...
Post by: geeck on November 05, 2009, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ms662412 @ Nov 5 2009, 04:17 PM)
Be interesting to know your Drive Serial and Console Serial for comparison to see what the version compares are... it looks like that information could be pumped and filters threw another computer and prevent this from happening...
Console serial is not a problem but how can I get drive serial?
This post has been edited by geeck: Nov 5 2009, 04:24 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 5 2009, 11:02 AM)
Ok wait a second man. I dont think you understand what you're saying. Look, if you rip your own game, then there is no need to patch your rip with ABGX's files man. You simply verify it but don't worry if it tells you that it doesn't match any known online source. ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MATCH IT because its YOUR OWN GAME. But if your rip is succesful then it should pass all verification, except for the online matches. If the rip is BAD then it will tell you clearly and of course it will fail matching anything online.
If your rip is bad but you wish to patch it with their information, then do it.. (AT YOUR OWN RISK, as it clearly states) but.. if you don't want to then re-rip the game and if the rip is good, it SHOULD pass all verification (again, minus the matches with their own SS info)
Thats really what ABGX is for.
As for downloaded rips, they have a dbase that checks common scene rips with a corresponding legitimate game and if your download is corrupt then you patch it with their known legitimate information but always patching games, YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you only used your own rips, and ABGX told you it didnt pass verification and prompted you to patch your rip with their info.. its not because it just didn't match with their known verified SS information, but also because your rip IS BAD. And if you did NOT patch it, you shot just owned yourself. and if you did, well your chances of getting caught are lessend but that does not mean you are 100% safe.
Hope that clarifies that for you buddy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Usually you always hear loads of strange assumptions people make when they dont understand something. In anycase if there is somone to blame its the people who burn and rip their games.. 99% of the time.
abgx is the common theme among those banned who claim they only played backups.
Understand: C4EVA knows what Microsoft checks. They can't read the firmware, they can only infer that a drive is hacked by some indirect method. If there was a change in the methods they are using to check for backups running, we'd probably have heard about it by now, ergo, there are no new checks.
That means the culprit is in something that differentiates a legit game disc from a backup, when running from a hacked drive. Since everything Microsoft normally checks **should** pass muster with the latest ixtreme firmwares, it follows that only two things can really give the game away: Poison Pill releases (as in last year's SR2 and FO3 wave), or... backups that have incorrect (though 'valid') special sector information.
If people are auto-patching their own backups with incorrect special sectors, it would be pretty obvious to Microsoft. The 'bad' could be perfectly valid as far as a simple checksum goes, but the data can still be different (i.e. when you have special sectors from, say, Madden 10 replaced with special sectors from Halo:ODST). Let's say, for whatever reason, abgx has the wrong sectors in their database... and you auto-patch, assuming, incorrectly, that because - while everything passed the local checkcum/crc checks - the data didn't match what was in their database, you somehow made a bad rip. Now you are sporting a backup that Microsoft can see just fine.
Even worse if Microsoft figured out how to game agbx's database to corrupt their data. I certainly would not put it past them to do this (I certainly would try to do it if I were them).
Lastly, I'd like to add that pretty much anything Microsoft says (particularly through Major Nelson) about the ban waves is pure FUD. You have to take the details with a huge grain of salt. Ban waves are engineered to maximize the anxiety in the scene and they most certainly layer and delay bans to make it harder for the scene to figure out what is happening. I also do not put it past Microsoft to have shills quietly lurking in forums like ours here, spreading tiny bits of disinformation... Microsoft, like many corporations, see this issue as a matter of war. They have a lot of smart people, plenty who've spent time of their own hacking systems; they attend events like Def Con and keep up with the game. Disinformation and secrecy is the watch word for these guys, and when Major Nelson speaks on the subject, you can guarantee that he's not being straight with us.
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(geeck @ Nov 5 2009, 04:24 PM)
Console serial is not a problem but how can I get drive serial?
It would mean taking apart the Xbox to see the top of the drive. I'm just speculating because I do repairs and reballs... I do have to spoof when I've recovered a DVDKey so it would be interesting to see all the variables. I wouldn't rely just on me for intererst, wait till someone who really knows what they're doing make a request for it before you go threw that hassle... I'll be able to do the same thing when I get a buddy's console that has been banned.
Post by: Komsomolec on November 05, 2009, 08:27:00 AM
Wouldn't it be very easy for Microsoft to detect if such a DVD has been put in?
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 08:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Puffer @ Nov 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
I have simply decided to not go back on live and find out. Not worth turning my hdd into a 120 GB paper weight if I have been banned. That would cost like half of the cars in Forza 3. Simply not worth it in my opinion. Time to get a new console for live play.
Thats what i did but these guys won't listen. I'm not losing my HDD install option over this BS.
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 09:26 AM)
abgx is the common theme among those banned who claim they only played backups.
Understand: C4EVA knows what Microsoft checks. They can't read the firmware, they can only infer that a drive is hacked by some indirect method. If there was a change in the methods they are using to check for backups running, we'd probably have heard about it by now, ergo, there are no new checks.
That means the culprit is in something that differentiates a legit game disc from a backup, when running from a hacked drive. Since everything Microsoft normally checks **should** pass muster with the latest ixtreme firmwares, it follows that only two things can really give the game away: Poison Pill releases (as in last year's SR2 and FO3 wave), or... backups that have incorrect (though 'valid') special sector information.
If people are auto-patching their own backups with incorrect special sectors, it would be pretty obvious to Microsoft. The 'bad' could be perfectly valid as far as a simple checksum goes, but the data can still be different (i.e. when you have special sectors from, say, Madden 10 replaced with special sectors from Halo:ODST). Let's say, for whatever reason, abgx has the wrong sectors in their database... and you auto-patch, assuming, incorrectly, that because - while everything passed the local checkcum/crc checks - the data didn't match what was in their database, you somehow made a bad rip. Now you are sporting a backup that Microsoft can see just fine.
Even worse if Microsoft figured out how to game agbx's database to corrupt their data. I certainly would not put it past them to do this (I certainly would try to do it if I were them).
Lastly, I'd like to add that pretty much anything Microsoft says (particularly through Major Nelson) about the ban waves is pure FUD. You have to take the details with a huge grain of salt. Ban waves are engineered to maximize the anxiety in the scene and they most certainly layer and delay bans to make it harder for the scene to figure out what is happening. I also do not put it past Microsoft to have shills quietly lurking in forums like ours here, spreading tiny bits of disinformation... Microsoft, like many corporations, see this issue as a matter of war. They have a lot of smart people, plenty who've spent time of their own hacking systems; they attend events like Def Con and keep up with the game. Disinformation and secrecy is the watch word for these guys, and when Major Nelson speaks on the subject, you can guarantee that he's not being straight with us.
Man just because we have not heard about a new check does not mean its not there. People kill me with this crap. They not going to tell you if they found out how to catch us.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:02 AM)
Ok wait a second man. I dont think you understand what you're saying. Look, if you rip your own game, then there is no need to patch your rip with ABGX's files man. You simply verify it but don't worry if it tells you that it doesn't match any known online source. ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MATCH IT because its YOUR OWN GAME. But if your rip is succesful then it should pass all verification, except for the online matches. If the rip is BAD then it will tell you clearly and of course it will fail matching anything online.
If your rip is bad but you wish to patch it with their information, then do it.. (AT YOUR OWN RISK, as it clearly states) but.. if you don't want to then re-rip the game and if the rip is good, it SHOULD pass all verification (again, minus the matches with their own SS info)
Thats really what ABGX is for.
As for downloaded rips, they have a dbase that checks common scene rips with a corresponding legitimate game and if your download is corrupt then you patch it with their known legitimate information but always patching games, YOU DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you only used your own rips, and ABGX told you it didnt pass verification and prompted you to patch your rip with their info.. its not because it just didn't match with their known verified SS information, but also because your rip IS BAD. And if you did NOT patch it, you shot just owned yourself. and if you did, well your chances of getting caught are lessend but that does not mean you are 100% safe.
Hope that clarifies that for you buddy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Usually you always hear loads of strange assumptions people make when they dont understand something. In anycase if there is somone to blame its the people who burn and rip their games.. 99% of the time.
I fully understand that. I only run them though abgx for shits and giggles. BUT this also indicates that if their database indicates that MY retail ripped game does not contain the proper verified files from THEIR rips then this COULD indicate that THEIR rips are ether not in fact proper retails rips or different version of the same retail game.
So this means that if the users source of the rip is different (whether it be from any source) than what is in AGBX database and IF they select to have ABGX to patch the game then they now will have the wrong security files for their version of the game resulting in a ban.
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 05, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 5 2009, 10:34 AM)
Man just because we have not heard about a new check does not mean its not there. People kill me with this crap. They not going to tell you if they found out how to catch us.
The people who are creating the firmware for these drives know alot more about the checks MS can actually carry out then 99% of those in this forum. They would know if Microsoft somehow added the ability to check the firmware in a new update.
I would bet anything that ABGX is the cause of this. The real question is why are some of those who have clearly and knowingly played nuked releases never banned. I would guess those who havent been banned are either on a list of those to be banned, or MS simply doesn't have enough flags on that xbox to ban it.
Here is what we know
Every drive has been banned with every firmware. People who've created backups and downloaded games have been banned. The only thing I've yet to see is someone banned who created their own backups without running it through ABGX.
If this is the case and we can't find a reliable source who has been banned creating their own KREON rips of retail games without patching them or running them through ABGX we know the culprit.
I think it's safe to assume at this point they are detecting waves of bad scene releases. Even those who rip your own games by running them through ABGX and then patching them you are essentially creating a nuked copy of your own backup.
This post has been edited by xboxmodder4life: Nov 5 2009, 04:48 PM
Post by: ItsAJackal on November 05, 2009, 08:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Komsomolec @ Nov 5 2009, 04:27 PM)
Why ain't anybody mentioning activate.iso?
Wouldn't it be very easy for Microsoft to detect if such a DVD has been put in?
Signed up to make a comment on this.
Was banned last night. Flashed the drive 3 weeks ago (ugh)
Running 1.6
BenQ drive
All games through ABGX
Never early
These are the following games I played backups of:
Borderlands
Civ Revolution
Res Evil 5
Batman
Godfather 2
Bigs 2
Rock Band: Country Pack
Rock Band: Beatles
Burnout Revenge
NCAA Football
I never used the activate.iso disk.
Several of these were to boot up to make sure they worked, with no actual game time.
Borderlands disk has been in my Xbox since day after release.
Apparently I am extremely unlucky, but at least I will be saving gold account money every year. There is absolutely no way I would buy another console for this. If I ever do purchase another, it will be because the worthless hardware would RRoD.
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
You're completely bypassing geeck's good info...
Here's the breakdown of the values that are posted to M$s DB.
vid=0000000000000000
v2=unknown
v3=1%3A00
v4=pl&
v5=PL&
v6=None
v9=1280x720p W HDMI
v11=109568
v12=31895 (Zip Code?)
v13=100.000
v14=1%2C0%2C0%2C1
v15=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0
v16=unknown
v17=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0
v18=0%2C0%2C0%2Cdisabled
v1=LogonFail_Tgs
v20=8955
v21=083809F004
v22=FFFE07D1
v23=00000088
v24=8015190D (Z)
v25=0000000B (W)
v26=0000F0001 (X)
v27=02A06020
v28=8015190D
v29=0A0A0A070C020C02
v30=mWAJSQZ
v34=00000000
v35=01CA5E1AE1E1F800
v36=2022FB00FFFFFF00000000
v39=PROD
v40=00000000
v41=0002CC00
v42=oQZAFvQZ
v43=tWJCVT
This post has been edited by ms662412: Nov 5 2009, 04:46 PM
Post by: ratskull on November 05, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 5 2009, 03:51 PM)
ok so you buy parts which you state cost peanuts i will agree with the parts you stated do cost almost nothing but they don't make a 360 also if you get dvd drive so cheap why is your store price so high 75 dollars for a dvd drive is not peanuts at all?
so your a retailer then you should know the law which you dont so clearly your just an online seller and you should be pleased with all the screw ups it keeps you employed.
I have worked for ms what does that matter i had nothing to do with 360 i was just a network engineer.
you should of said you can do a patch up job for 45 dollars.
I would advise go back to uni to look up law you would then see what i stated about retailer is in fact correct if i buy a console from you and it is broken then ms dont have to deal with it you do that is the sales of goods act.
only if it is within the first month you can get a straight exchange otherwise its up to the seller to have it repaired but they could use microshit if they wanted to in the eu the sales of good act states everything you buy electrical should last at least 6 years so you can always argue that
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(ms662412 @ Nov 5 2009, 04:45 PM)
PEOPLE
You're completely bypassing geeck's good info...
Here's the breakdown of the values that are posted to M$s DB.
vid=0000000000000000
v2=unknown
v3=1%3A00
v4=pl&
v5=PL&
v6=None
v9=1280x720p W HDMI
v11=109568
v12=31895 (Zip Code?)
v13=100.000
v14=1%2C0%2C0%2C1
v15=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0
v16=unknown
v17=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0
v18=0%2C0%2C0%2Cdisabled
v1=LogonFail_Tgs
v20=8955
v21=083809F004
v22=FFFE07D1
v23=00000088
v24=8015190D (Z)
v25=0000000B (W)
v26=0000F0001 (X)
v27=02A06020
v28=8015190D
v29=0A0A0A070C020C02
v30=mWAJSQZ
v34=00000000
v35=01CA5E1AE1E1F800
v36=2022FB00FFFFFF00000000
v39=PROD
v40=00000000
v41=0002CC00
v42=oQZAFvQZ
v43=tWJCVT
I noticed v20 was followed with firmwarever in his info...what firmware might this be? DVD or something in the 360....does 8955 ring a bell to anyone?
EDIT : Dash version...
This post has been edited by BottleB: Nov 5 2009, 04:55 PM
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxmodder4life @ Nov 5 2009, 10:42 AM)
The people who are creating the firmware for these drives know alot more about the checks MS can actually carry out then 99% of those in this forum. They would know if Microsoft somehow added the ability to check the firmware in a new update.
I would bet anything that ABGX is the cause of this. The real question is why are some of those who have clearly and knowingly played nuked releases never banned. I would guess those who havent been banned are either on a list of those to be banned, or MS simply doesn't have enough flags on that xbox to ban it.
Here is what we know
Every drive has been banned with every firmware. People who've created backups and downloaded games have been banned. The only thing I've yet to see is someone banned who created their own backups without running it through ABGX.
If this is the case and we can't find a reliable source who has been banned creating their own KREON rips of retail games without patching them or running them through ABGX we know the culprit.
I think it's safe to assume at this point they are detecting waves of bad scene releases. Even those who rip your own games by running them through ABGX and then patching them you are essentially creating a nuked copy of your own backup.
ok, you're right about one thing.
"Even those who rip your own games by running them through ABGX and then patching them you are essentially creating a nuked copy of your own backup."
But there are definately quite a few people out there who never played anything other than their own rips, verified but never patched their games and they got banned so your assumption is quite wrong. read through the 3+ threads of posts that started a week ago regarding the bans.. so yeah.
Post by: gwellan on November 05, 2009, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:41 AM)
I fully understand that. I only run them though abgx for shits and giggles. BUT this also indicates that if their database indicates that MY retail ripped game does not contain the proper verified files from THEIR rips then this COULD indicate that THEIR rips are ether not in fact proper retails rips or different version of the same retail game.
So this means that if the users source of the rip is different (whether it be from any source) than what is in AGBX database and IF they select to have ABGX to patch the game then they now will have the wrong security files for their version of the game resulting in a ban.
NO. I'll explain this again bro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
There is NO reason why you're rips should match ANY of their online information because EACH rip has its OWN information and each rip is different. If your rip passes all verification, meaning everything OKs in the ABGX console, but it says that your SS matches no known game found in their database it should mean NOTHING to you because you ripped your game from a legitimate source (your own REAL game).
Now you are definately right about the last part. If you patch your own rip with some information from another rip, then you risk having faulty information which clearly is less reliable than your own LEGIT games go into your clean rip and therefore you risk getting banned.
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 5 2009, 05:05 PM)
NO. I'll explain this again bro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
There is NO reason why you're rips should match ANY of their online information because EACH rip has its OWN information and each rip is different. If your rip passes all verification, meaning everything OKs in the ABGX console, but it says that your SS matches no known game found in their database it should mean NOTHING to you because you ripped your game from a legitimate source (your own REAL game).
Now you are definately right about the last part. If you patch your own rip with some information from another rip, then you risk having faulty information which clearly is less reliable than your own LEGIT games go into your clean rip and therefore you risk getting banned.
Does every copy really have its own SS? wouldnt that make a shitload of SS's for ms to store and challenge with?
Post by: Nemesis2007 on November 05, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
I use ABGX for all my games still not banned thank god.
What could be the issue is idiots who go on live with a patched WAVE 4 game to WAVE 3,
playing CODMW2, fordza 3, ODST OR USING ACTIVE ISO or played WAVE 4 with unverified
WAVE 4 video ABGX just got updated with WAVE 4 support so for those of you that modded
around this time then played WAVE 4 with unverfied Video M$ could detect all this bottom line is
we will never know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
This post has been edited by Nemesis2007: Nov 5 2009, 05:30 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Nemesis2007 @ Nov 5 2009, 05:25 PM)
just to add my two cents i use ABGX for all my games still not banned thank god
what could be the issue is idiots who go on live with a patched WAVE 4 game to WAVE 3
playing CODMW2 fordza 3 ODST OR USING ACTIVE ISO or played WAVE 4 with unverified
WAVE 4 video ABGX just got updated with WAVE 4 support so for those of you that modded around this
time then played WAVE 4 with unverfied Video M$ could detect all this bottom line is
we will never know
Dude, ever heard of periods or commas? Your stuff is hard to read
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
You do know that almost all DVD's are created from a single master?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncU_A76W3P8
Post by: ^^^Maximus^^^ on November 05, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 03:26 PM)
abgx is the common theme among those banned who claim they only played backups.
Understand: C4EVA knows what Microsoft checks. They can't read the firmware, they can only infer that a drive is hacked by some indirect method. If there was a change in the methods they are using to check for backups running, we'd probably have heard about it by now, ergo, there are no new checks.
That means the culprit is in something that differentiates a legit game disc from a backup, when running from a hacked drive. Since everything Microsoft normally checks **should** pass muster with the latest ixtreme firmwares, it follows that only two things can really give the game away: Poison Pill releases (as in last year's SR2 and FO3 wave), or... backups that have incorrect (though 'valid') special sector information.
If people are auto-patching their own backups with incorrect special sectors, it would be pretty obvious to Microsoft. The 'bad' could be perfectly valid as far as a simple checksum goes, but the data can still be different (i.e. when you have special sectors from, say, Madden 10 replaced with special sectors from Halo:ODST). Let's say, for whatever reason, abgx has the wrong sectors in their database... and you auto-patch, assuming, incorrectly, that because - while everything passed the local checkcum/crc checks - the data didn't match what was in their database, you somehow made a bad rip. Now you are sporting a backup that Microsoft can see just fine.
Even worse if Microsoft figured out how to game agbx's database to corrupt their data. I certainly would not put it past them to do this (I certainly would try to do it if I were them).
Lastly, I'd like to add that pretty much anything Microsoft says (particularly through Major Nelson) about the ban waves is pure FUD. You have to take the details with a huge grain of salt. Ban waves are engineered to maximize the anxiety in the scene and they most certainly layer and delay bans to make it harder for the scene to figure out what is happening. I also do not put it past Microsoft to have shills quietly lurking in forums like ours here, spreading tiny bits of disinformation... Microsoft, like many corporations, see this issue as a matter of war. They have a lot of smart people, plenty who've spent time of their own hacking systems; they attend events like Def Con and keep up with the game. Disinformation and secrecy is the watch word for these guys, and when Major Nelson speaks on the subject, you can guarantee that he's not being straight with us.
I have been around the scene for a long time, and this is the most likely thing happening.
Some of you guys are speculating way too hard on these bans, achems razor.
Post by: jd185051 on November 05, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 5 2009, 05:05 PM)
NO. I'll explain this again bro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
There is NO reason why you're rips should match ANY of their online information because EACH rip has its OWN information and each rip is different. If your rip passes all verification, meaning everything OKs in the ABGX console, but it says that your SS matches no known game found in their database it should mean NOTHING to you because you ripped your game from a legitimate source (your own REAL game).
Now you are definately right about the last part. If you patch your own rip with some information from another rip, then you risk having faulty information which clearly is less reliable than your own LEGIT games go into your clean rip and therefore you risk getting banned.
Your own rips will match the database sometimes. Sometimes they won't. These games are made in batches. I've ripped many games that match perfectly with the database and some that don't. It would take forever for the game company to burn each disc with different information. I know if you backup a game that been out for a few years that you just bought in the store new, it probably won't match the database because patches and other little fixes have been applied to the game disc since the launch version was released.
Post by: geeck on November 05, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(ms662412 @ Nov 5 2009, 04:45 PM)
v12=31895 (Zip Code?)
Yes, v12 is the zipcode.
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 5 2009, 11:18 AM)
Does every copy really have its own SS? wouldnt that make a shitload of SS's for ms to store and challenge with?
just think about it as CRCs...
they compare CRC's of various sectors on game DVDs or their corresponding images.
In order for the CRCs to match there is a whole lot of information that has to be exactly the same. This is what ABGX patches in order for the safe SS etc.. to match.
QUOTE(jd185051 @ Nov 5 2009, 11:32 AM)
Your own rips will match the database sometimes. Sometimes they won't. These games are made in batches. I've ripped many games that match perfectly with the database and some that don't. It would take forever for the game company to burn each disc with different information. I know if you backup a game that been out for a few years that you just bought in the store new, it probably won't match the database because patches and other little fixes have been applied to the game disc since the launch version was released.
Thats actually a more accurate explanation but at the same time, there are so many diff batches released at once.
This post has been edited by seven2099: Nov 5 2009, 05:41 PM
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 5 2009, 03:12 PM)
Its verification process is actually comparing your dwlds to legit games and their crc information.
This is why it takes time for some games to actually show up in their DB. They compare every single game including region games to scene rips that are released online. Its safer to autofix a sketchy rls but i feel that your pretty much on the radar the moment one of those legit rlses is flagged. This means, techinically someone at the ABGX purchases a copy of each matching rls.. not easy. Not at all.
Oh well its better than nothing. I wont be connecting my xbox till the ban season is over and just try to surf it out like everyone else who skips going on live during these times.
ABGX should have a database of various SS and other data, then when autofixing, it should randomly choose one and patch it. Or even better allow the user to select one, ie one that was ripped from a game purchased in their own country.
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 11:38 AM)
ABGX should have a database of various SS and other data, then when autofixing, it should randomly choose one and patch it. Or even better allow the user to select one, ie one that was ripped from a game purchased in their own country.
that would be nice, but lol very difficult to do that. lots of chedda involved too.
Post by: azuziel on November 05, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(^^^Maximus^^^ @ Nov 5 2009, 11:29 AM)
I have been around the scene for a long time, and this is the most likely thing happening.
Some of you guys are speculating way too hard on these bans, achems razor.
Let's hope for everyone's sake the ABGX database is NOT SQL, SQL injections are a total pain in the ass, and I wouldn't put it past them to try to inject invalid game data.
Post by: HUmarX on November 05, 2009, 09:48:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 08:26 AM)
abgx is the common theme among those banned who claim they only played backups.
Understand: C4EVA knows what Microsoft checks. They can't read the firmware, they can only infer that a drive is hacked by some indirect method. If there was a change in the methods they are using to check for backups running, we'd probably have heard about it by now, ergo, there are no new checks.
That means the culprit is in something that differentiates a legit game disc from a backup, when running from a hacked drive. Since everything Microsoft normally checks **should** pass muster with the latest ixtreme firmwares, it follows that only two things can really give the game away: Poison Pill releases (as in last year's SR2 and FO3 wave), or... backups that have incorrect (though 'valid') special sector information.
If people are auto-patching their own backups with incorrect special sectors, it would be pretty obvious to Microsoft. The 'bad' could be perfectly valid as far as a simple checksum goes, but the data can still be different (i.e. when you have special sectors from, say, Madden 10 replaced with special sectors from Halo:ODST). Let's say, for whatever reason, abgx has the wrong sectors in their database... and you auto-patch, assuming, incorrectly, that because - while everything passed the local checkcum/crc checks - the data didn't match what was in their database, you somehow made a bad rip. Now you are sporting a backup that Microsoft can see just fine.
Even worse if Microsoft figured out how to game agbx's database to corrupt their data. I certainly would not put it past them to do this (I certainly would try to do it if I were them).
Lastly, I'd like to add that pretty much anything Microsoft says (particularly through Major Nelson) about the ban waves is pure FUD. You have to take the details with a huge grain of salt. Ban waves are engineered to maximize the anxiety in the scene and they most certainly layer and delay bans to make it harder for the scene to figure out what is happening. I also do not put it past Microsoft to have shills quietly lurking in forums like ours here, spreading tiny bits of disinformation... Microsoft, like many corporations, see this issue as a matter of war. They have a lot of smart people, plenty who've spent time of their own hacking systems; they attend events like Def Con and keep up with the game. Disinformation and secrecy is the watch word for these guys, and when Major Nelson speaks on the subject, you can guarantee that he's not being straight with us.
nice post! i completely agree that some members on this forum and especially in threads such as these are "spies" from microsoft. they want to confuse us and spread as much disinformation as possible, and i'd say they're doing a damn good job.
This post has been edited by HUmarX: Nov 5 2009, 05:51 PM
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 09:53:00 AM
Got an MSN account? Ever chatted with someone about modding the xbox? Or even a Wii?
Got a Facebook account, which links with MSN and Hotmail? Ever mention modding or playing a game that hasn't been released yet?
Ever had a modding program like JF or ABGX crash, and sent the info to M$ for debug purposes, like XP asks you to do every time anything crashes by default?
Ever click a link from a release info site which details which game was released, some including download links, and more importantly, links to IGN and other gaming sites? A lot of these scene release sites (in fact the biggest of them all) DOES NOT use redirecting URL's. IGN could pass on the info without violating any laws.
Use Microsoft Internet Explorer to surf the web? Including downloading modding tutorials, browsing scene sites, modding sites? It's easy for IE to phone home with these details. These detail aren't 'personal' per se, no names, no personal info, just data 'to enhance the user experience' with IE.
For all of the above:
All it takes is an IP address match and BAM!.. banned.
This whole banning wave might have nothing to do with ABGX or iXtreme whatsoever.
Post by: geeck on November 05, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 05:53 PM)
Got a Hotmail account? Or a similar one affiliated with M$? Ever use it to sign up to a scene site like this one? Ever use your linked Paypal account to pay for a CK3 probe or use it to donate to C4E? Ever email someone about modding?
Got an MSN account? Ever chatted with someone about modding the xbox? Or even a Wii?
Got a Facebook account, which links with MSN and Hotmail? Ever mention modding or playing a game that hasn't been released yet?
Ever had a modding program like JF or ABGX crash, and sent the info to M$ for debug purposes, like XP asks you to do every time anything crashes by default?
Ever click a link from a release info site which details which game was released, some including download links, and more importantly, links to IGN and other gaming sites? A lot of these scene release sites (in fact the biggest of them all) DOES NOT use redirecting URL's. IGN could pass on the info without violating any laws.
Use Microsoft Internet Explorer to surf the web? Including downloading modding tutorials, browsing scene sites, modding sites? It's easy for IE to phone home with these details. These detail aren't 'personal' per se, no names, no personal info, just data 'to enhance the user experience' with IE.
For all of the above:
All it takes is an IP address match and BAM!.. banned.
This whole banning wave might have nothing to do with ABGX or iXtreme whatsoever.
-1....totally not with you on that one...Too Big Brotherish...i think you way out "outisde" the box...too much there...i think you were sarcastic until i hit the end of your message...
But again, you have the right to your own opinion!
Post by: Devit on November 05, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 5 2009, 12:04 PM)
...Stating people pirate because they can't afford is a complete load of rubbish I know people that earn £5000 a month that pirate games....
Selling crack is illegal too...
Post by: rvvisse on November 05, 2009, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 12:53 PM)
Got a Hotmail account? Or a similar one affiliated with M$? Ever use it to sign up to a scene site like this one? Ever use your linked Paypal account to pay for a CK3 probe or use it to donate to C4E? Ever email someone about modding?
Got an MSN account? Ever chatted with someone about modding the xbox? Or even a Wii?
Got a Facebook account, which links with MSN and Hotmail? Ever mention modding or playing a game that hasn't been released yet?
Ever had a modding program like JF or ABGX crash, and sent the info to M$ for debug purposes, like XP asks you to do every time anything crashes by default?
Ever click a link from a release info site which details which game was released, some including download links, and more importantly, links to IGN and other gaming sites? A lot of these scene release sites (in fact the biggest of them all) DOES NOT use redirecting URL's. IGN could pass on the info without violating any laws.
Use Microsoft Internet Explorer to surf the web? Including downloading modding tutorials, browsing scene sites, modding sites? It's easy for IE to phone home with these details. These detail aren't 'personal' per se, no names, no personal info, just data 'to enhance the user experience' with IE.
For all of the above:
All it takes is an IP address match and BAM!.. banned.
This whole banning wave might have nothing to do with ABGX or iXtreme whatsoever.
Paranoid much? You apparently don't work in IT. You have no idea the cost of people and time it would take to consolidate all these people from one of America's largest companies together.
Besides, this is simply NOT possible. Sorry, but you can't ban a console for suspicious posts online.
Post by: thehoweller on November 05, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 11:53 AM)
Got a Hotmail account? Or a similar one affiliated with M$? Ever use it to sign up to a scene site like this one? Ever use your linked Paypal account to pay for a CK3 probe or use it to donate to C4E? Ever email someone about modding?
Got an MSN account? Ever chatted with someone about modding the xbox? Or even a Wii?
Got a Facebook account, which links with MSN and Hotmail? Ever mention modding or playing a game that hasn't been released yet?
Ever had a modding program like JF or ABGX crash, and sent the info to M$ for debug purposes, like XP asks you to do every time anything crashes by default?
Ever click a link from a release info site which details which game was released, some including download links, and more importantly, links to IGN and other gaming sites? A lot of these scene release sites (in fact the biggest of them all) DOES NOT use redirecting URL's. IGN could pass on the info without violating any laws.
Use Microsoft Internet Explorer to surf the web? Including downloading modding tutorials, browsing scene sites, modding sites? It's easy for IE to phone home with these details. These detail aren't 'personal' per se, no names, no personal info, just data 'to enhance the user experience' with IE.
For all of the above:
All it takes is an IP address match and BAM!.. banned.
This whole banning wave might have nothing to do with ABGX or iXtreme whatsoever.
You must live a very simple life...
Must...Not...Post on MSN...Can't be caught doing suspicious actions....Might be banned.
You're ignoring the fact that if Microsoft banned on your principles, they'd be also banning a whole lot of people who actually aren't playing copied games. Microsoft would also lose a LARGE portion of customers because of these actions, and who also weren't banned.
But whatever dude...They're out to get you!
This post has been edited by thehoweller: Nov 5 2009, 06:11 PM
Post by: haqtiq on November 05, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
How many of the "BANNED" console people here have bought over $100 in DLC (Movies, games, addons, etc) In the last year?
From my readings almost EVERYONE banned wasnt spending money on live... they were simply playing the games patched or not.
I'm not saying it's fact, but I spent ALOT of money on live, and im wondering if that has something to do with it, modified or not.. if you are generating revenue, and not sucking the life out of live, you are not immediately on the ban list.
It's going to be hard to test, but i'll keep spending money on content, and keep my toes crossed, I just preordered the MW2 console, just to have a 3rd unmodified xbox if anything happens, cause I have 2 that are not banned at the moment, and personally I like it that way, considering I do spend some peoples paychecks on live in a months time.
Anyone not banned, try spending a couple hundered points every month on some stuff you've been wanting, treat yourself to some new stuff, you may just keep you xbox on live.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 05:53 PM)
Got a Hotmail account? Or a similar one affiliated with M$? Ever use it to sign up to a scene site like this one? Ever use your linked Paypal account to pay for a CK3 probe or use it to donate to C4E? Ever email someone about modding?
Got an MSN account? Ever chatted with someone about modding the xbox? Or even a Wii?
Got a Facebook account, which links with MSN and Hotmail? Ever mention modding or playing a game that hasn't been released yet?
Ever had a modding program like JF or ABGX crash, and sent the info to M$ for debug purposes, like XP asks you to do every time anything crashes by default?
Ever click a link from a release info site which details which game was released, some including download links, and more importantly, links to IGN and other gaming sites? A lot of these scene release sites (in fact the biggest of them all) DOES NOT use redirecting URL's. IGN could pass on the info without violating any laws.
Use Microsoft Internet Explorer to surf the web? Including downloading modding tutorials, browsing scene sites, modding sites? It's easy for IE to phone home with these details. These detail aren't 'personal' per se, no names, no personal info, just data 'to enhance the user experience' with IE.
For all of the above:
All it takes is an IP address match and BAM!.. banned.
This whole banning wave might have nothing to do with ABGX or iXtreme whatsoever.
How many of you people have webcams on your computer. I think maybe they are capturing an image of your face then running it through an FBI and CIA database to determine who you are. Then they go through your ISP and find out when you were signed on to xbox live then they go through all there live information and find out which gamertag exactly matches the person. They then send someone to that house with a photo of you to identify if it is the person. Once a physical verification is done then they ban.
Post by: thehoweller on November 05, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
QUOTE(haqtiq @ Nov 5 2009, 12:10 PM)
After reading alot of these posts, I am starting to see a small trend.
How many of the "BANNED" console people here have bought over $100 in DLC (Movies, games, addons, etc) In the last year?
From my readings almost EVERYONE banned wasnt spending money on live... they were simply playing the games patched or not.
I'm not saying it's fact, but I spent ALOT of money on live, and im wondering if that has something to do with it, modified or not.. if you are generating revenue, and not sucking the life out of live, you are not immediately on the ban list.
It's going to be hard to test, but i'll keep spending money on content, and keep my toes crossed, I just preordered the MW2 console, just to have a 3rd unmodified xbox if anything happens, cause I have 2 that are not banned at the moment, and personally I like it that way, considering I do spend some peoples paychecks on live in a months time.
Anyone not banned, try spending a couple hundered points every month on some stuff you've been wanting, treat yourself to some new stuff, you may just keep you xbox on live.
Yes, keep spending that extra $50 a year so that you can continue playing backups of your games...Crazy...
I don't see the value in this as most add-ons are complete shit, especially for the price. Pinnacle Station for Mass Effect, anyone? Come on...You all know you want to continue playing those backups, spend some money.
I would also laugh my ass off if this guy's actually a rep from Microsoft just trying to get us all to spend more money on live.
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 5 2009, 12:11 PM)
How many of you people have webcams on your computer. I think maybe they are capturing an image of your face then running it through an FBI and CIA database to determine who you are. Then they go through your ISP and find out when you were signed on to xbox live then they go through all there live information and find out which gamertag exactly matches the person. They then send someone to that house with a photo of you to identify if it is the person. Once a physical verification is done then they ban.
So you're saying the prostitute I paid last week was actually paid by Microsoft AND me? That whore!
This post has been edited by thehoweller: Nov 5 2009, 06:16 PM
Post by: Scavx on November 05, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
QUOTE(haqtiq @ Nov 5 2009, 07:10 PM)
After reading alot of these posts, I am starting to see a small trend.
How many of the "BANNED" console people here have bought over $100 in DLC (Movies, games, addons, etc) In the last year?
From my readings almost EVERYONE banned wasnt spending money on live... they were simply playing the games patched or not.
I'm not saying it's fact, but I spent ALOT of money on live, and im wondering if that has something to do with it, modified or not.. if you are generating revenue, and not sucking the life out of live, you are not immediately on the ban list.
It's going to be hard to test, but i'll keep spending money on content, and keep my toes crossed, I just preordered the MW2 console, just to have a 3rd unmodified xbox if anything happens, cause I have 2 that are not banned at the moment, and personally I like it that way, considering I do spend some peoples paychecks on live in a months time.
Anyone not banned, try spending a couple hundered points every month on some stuff you've been wanting, treat yourself to some new stuff, you may just keep you xbox on live.
I have bought aprox. 40 arcade titles from XBL, yet i got banned... *)
So your theory sucks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: driftfox on November 05, 2009, 10:26:00 AM
Both consoles:
Lite-on drives
iXtreme 1.6
Playing Borderlands when it occurred
Occurred around 6PM central time zone on Nov 4, 2009.
Post by: azuziel on November 05, 2009, 10:28:00 AM
Starting to wonder if the "real time" bans are related to complaints, or perhaps, live contest enrollment. They could be using either of these as a catalyst or flag to run more manual checks at a later time.
I likk the bad game data on ABGX theory quite a bit. Wouldn't take much for M$ to inject into their own DB. Even if it's MySQL, it's pretty do-able i think. I'm not a DBA though, net admin, so not my forte. Any DBA's out there with any thoughts on this?
Post by: dante1 on November 05, 2009, 10:33:00 AM
Sell games for $30.00 instead of $70.00. I personally would pay $30.00 no problem. But when you see companies like EA Games that is buying other companies and just getting bigger and bigger, I don't think piracy is hurting them in the least.
Look at Microsoft Windows. Instead for selling Windows for $200.00, sell it for $75 and you will reduce piracy a great deal. Again, Microsoft DID become one of the biggest companies in the world even though people are pirating their software.
So who should make the first move? The giant should, Microsoft and the game manufacturers should lower their prices and everyone will be happy.
This post has been edited by dante1: Nov 5 2009, 06:39 PM
Post by: azuziel on November 05, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(dante1 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:33 PM)
Until then....LONG LIVE PIRACY!!!!
uh oh.
Post by: Choochoo on November 05, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 04:26 PM)
abgx is the common theme among those banned who claim they only played backups.
Understand: C4EVA knows what Microsoft checks. They can't read the firmware, they can only infer that a drive is hacked by some indirect method. If there was a change in the methods they are using to check for backups running, we'd probably have heard about it by now, ergo, there are no new checks.
That means the culprit is in something that differentiates a legit game disc from a backup, when running from a hacked drive. Since everything Microsoft normally checks **should** pass muster with the latest ixtreme firmwares, it follows that only two things can really give the game away: Poison Pill releases (as in last year's SR2 and FO3 wave), or... backups that have incorrect (though 'valid') special sector information.
If people are auto-patching their own backups with incorrect special sectors, it would be pretty obvious to Microsoft. The 'bad' could be perfectly valid as far as a simple checksum goes, but the data can still be different (i.e. when you have special sectors from, say, Madden 10 replaced with special sectors from Halo:ODST). Let's say, for whatever reason, abgx has the wrong sectors in their database... and you auto-patch, assuming, incorrectly, that because - while everything passed the local checkcum/crc checks - the data didn't match what was in their database, you somehow made a bad rip. Now you are sporting a backup that Microsoft can see just fine.
Even worse if Microsoft figured out how to game agbx's database to corrupt their data. I certainly would not put it past them to do this (I certainly would try to do it if I were them).
Lastly, I'd like to add that pretty much anything Microsoft says (particularly through Major Nelson) about the ban waves is pure FUD. You have to take the details with a huge grain of salt. Ban waves are engineered to maximize the anxiety in the scene and they most certainly layer and delay bans to make it harder for the scene to figure out what is happening. I also do not put it past Microsoft to have shills quietly lurking in forums like ours here, spreading tiny bits of disinformation... Microsoft, like many corporations, see this issue as a matter of war. They have a lot of smart people, plenty who've spent time of their own hacking systems; they attend events like Def Con and keep up with the game. Disinformation and secrecy is the watch word for these guys, and when Major Nelson speaks on the subject, you can guarantee that he's not being straight with us.
anybody could be from M S on here... including YOU!.... the plot thickens... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
Flashed 2 months ago using connection kit
Played no backups as of yet on it, only do to the loss of jobs in the family and not having disc.
Couldnt even tell you if it was successful as far as the firmware since never was tested.
Status Banned
Son was on this morning, worked, just went to check netflix, banned
This post has been edited by shage: Nov 5 2009, 06:38 PM
Post by: Zomah on November 05, 2009, 10:40:00 AM
Never touched a nuked release, and never ran anything threw ABGX.
Lite-on 1.6 CK3
Used activation disk as well, i also buy loads of stuff on XBL.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(haqtiq @ Nov 5 2009, 12:10 PM)
After reading alot of these posts, I am starting to see a small trend.
How many of the "BANNED" console people here have bought over $100 in DLC (Movies, games, addons, etc) In the last year?
From my readings almost EVERYONE banned wasnt spending money on live... they were simply playing the games patched or not.
I'm not saying it's fact, but I spent ALOT of money on live, and im wondering if that has something to do with it, modified or not.. if you are generating revenue, and not sucking the life out of live, you are not immediately on the ban list.
It's going to be hard to test, but i'll keep spending money on content, and keep my toes crossed, I just preordered the MW2 console, just to have a 3rd unmodified xbox if anything happens, cause I have 2 that are not banned at the moment, and personally I like it that way, considering I do spend some peoples paychecks on live in a months time.
Anyone not banned, try spending a couple hundered points every month on some stuff you've been wanting, treat yourself to some new stuff, you may just keep you xbox on live.
Personally I have spend way over $500 on DLC on Live Marketplace and I have never been banned since day 1 a few years back.
BUT I don't see them not banning someone they know has a modded console just because they spend money at the marketplace. More likely they will see that as a sign of someone that will buy another console so they can still have access to their marketplace content.
Post by: haqtiq on November 05, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(thehoweller @ Nov 5 2009, 06:15 PM)
Yes, keep spending that extra $50 a year so that you can continue playing backups of your games...Crazy...
I don't see the value in this as most add-ons are complete shit, especially for the price. Pinnacle Station for Mass Effect, anyone? Come on...You all know you want to continue playing those backups, spend some money.
I would also laugh my ass off if this guy's actually a rep from Microsoft just trying to get us all to spend more money on live.
So you're saying the prostitute I paid last week was actually paid by Microsoft AND me? That whore!
Not all addons are shit, you mentioned 1 addon dude, out of thousands. So you are saying that all fallout 3's content was crap ? Ohh yea Burnout Paradise sure didnt need anything else to make the game better, ohh wait... GTAIV.. that game REALLY didnt need TLATD, nor TBOGT.
But considering you know it all and i'm just some civil MS worker (according to you), I guess you douche bag will always outweight mine.
And to the guy who responded my theory sucks.. that may be.. but what else did you get aside from arcade games, no movies, or addons.. just curious.
Im trying to help, not be attacked, because I can respond in kind, if the scene was based off of one person knowing everything, we wouldnt need forums, just a medium for our alpha hackers to tell us information and we digest it, until you guys to figure out the inner workings of everything, maybe you should unlock that box you live in and at least peek your head out to see the world around you.
Post by: trick91 on November 05, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(dante1 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:33 PM)
Wanna stop privacy?
Sell games for $30.00 instead of $70.00. I personally would pay $30.00 no problem. But when you see companies like EA Games that is buying other companies and just getting bigger and bigger, I don't think piracy is hurting them in the least.
Look at Microsoft Windows. Instead for selling Windows for $200.00, sell it for $75 and you will reduce piracy a great deal. Again, Microsoft DID become one of the biggest companies in the world even though people are pirating their software.
So who should make the first move? The giant should, Microsoft and the game manufacturers should lower their prices and everyone will be happy.
you actually think this would stop piracy? and i love how everyone become laywers during banning periods, saying they can sue ms for this and that.
but anyway i would agree with the theories regarding abgx, way too many people were seeing as a foolproof method not to get banned
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(trick91 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:43 PM)
you actually think this would stop piracy? and i love how everyone become laywers during banning periods, saying they can sue ms for this and that.
but anyway i would agree with the theories regarding abgx, way too many people were seeing as a foolproof method not to get banned
agreed i can name several times that abgx fucked up and put wrong info in there and said sorry afterwards, people put to much trust in shit
Post by: haqtiq on November 05, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:42 PM)
Personally I have spend way over $500 on DLC on Live Marketplace and I have never been banned since day 1 a few years back.
BUT I don't see them not banning someone they know has a modded console just because they spend money at the marketplace. More likely they will see that as a sign of someone that will buy another console so they can still have access to their marketplace content.
Thats true, and i'm with you on having a day 1 console, and never being banned. I am looking at it like this:
If you and I are playing the games we have obtained without "interfering" with Xbox Live, or the people who play on it, and you and I are spending $250+ a year on DLC. We very well may be a sitting duck, but on the same note, we are pushing alot of money into the service at the same time. We broke a rule sure.. but we arent overdoing it, by playing games early, or anything out of the ordinary, we are basically normal users, with backups, still spending our money on live.. we are technically what MAKE ms it's money. To kick off someone whos actively buying DLC, would only harm them because the money stops when we make the choice to continue with XBOX or not.
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(haqtiq @ Nov 5 2009, 06:48 PM)
Thats true, and i'm with you on having a day 1 console, and never being banned. I am looking at it like this:
If you and I are playing the games we have obtained without "interfering" with Xbox Live, or the people who play on it, and you and I are spending $250+ a year on DLC. We very well may be a sitting duck, but on the same note, we are pushing alot of money into the service at the same time. We broke a rule sure.. but we arent overdoing it, by playing games early, or anything out of the ordinary, we are basically normal users, with backups, still spending our money on live.. we are technically what MAKE ms it's money. To kick off someone whos actively buying DLC, would only harm them because the money stops when we make the choice to continue with XBOX or not.
would make sense if i wasnt banned, never played a backup as of yet, and been buying dlcs rock band, gh, arcade games, movies, netflix, you name it we have purchased it, and yet we are banned, the other console which hasnt been touched with any firmware will end up being the living room one lol, sorry kids
Post by: 215XboxMods on November 05, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(trick91 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:43 PM)
you actually think this would stop piracy? and i love how everyone become laywers during banning periods, saying they can sue ms for this and that.
but anyway i would agree with the theories regarding abgx, way too many people were seeing as a foolproof method not to get banned
it will do a lot for piracy......but here is how you do it....sell games for $60 each game comes with an activation code that can only be used once.
Sell activation codes for like $20.
You effectively create revenue for copied games and you get to reap profits off the used game market.
Madden tried it this year but they screwed up and half the disks did not have activation codes.
Post by: telo{+} on November 05, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
If you are holding out on playing MW2, I suggest you get in and play some, they can tell and you will most likely be banned anyhow.
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 5 2009, 07:00 PM)
it will do a lot for piracy......but here is how you do it....sell games for $60 each game comes with an activation code that can only be used once.
Sell activation codes for like $20.
You effectively create revenue for copied games and you get to reap profits off the used game market.
Madden tried it this year but they screwed up and half the disks did not have activation codes.
would kill the trade in billion dollar biz for ebgames etc
Post by: reddragon105 on November 05, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(magusdraco @ Nov 5 2009, 04:10 AM)
Sidenote: The PS3 hates on some divx and xvid movies that the 360 can play.
Mainly because of nonstandard codecs (divx 3.11 : ) (bad face it's part of the codec's name not a smiley this time) and stuff)
Though you can play them if you use the mencoder option in the ##transcode## folder in ps3 media server.
You can't play divx and xvid movies on the 360 if you aren't connected to live.
Somthing about the nxe (last year's version).
I had a PS3 briefly and found it could play more of the video files that I have than my 360 could. I know I had some HD DivX files that the 360 wouldn't play so I tried them on the PS3 and they were fine. Guess that's just down to my particular file collection, though, so thanks for the heads up.
QUOTE(da80m8 @ Nov 5 2009, 04:35 AM)
I stream divx and xvid stuff from my PC to my 360 all the time and I'm not connected to Live. Are you referring to something different? Just looking for some clarification.
QUOTE(Lsd @ Nov 5 2009, 04:40 AM)
this is bullcrap. I play movies all the time via my 360 and im not connected to live. I installed the codec once and its been good to go ever since.
I would like to know how that is done because it's not bullcrap for me - without being connected to Xbox Live I can NOT get DivX files to play. This has been the case for me ever since the codec first got released. Without being on Live all I get is the 'This codec is unsupported' message for every file, and it will prompt me to download the codec, which means signing into Live. From what I've read this is true for everyone else, but if two people say otherwise then I'm going to look into it and see what I can do.
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 5 2009, 04:23 AM)
My two cents (my opinion)..... I personally think that Microsoft CANT detect the modified firmware. My personal opinion is they know exactly where they send the game disc. I feel that if you are not in one of those areas they ban you. You maybe wondering what If you had a legit disc??? Then what they would do is tell you to prove that It was purchased legitimately or a legit review copy or something to that extent, if you cant prove it you remain banned. This would be smart on their part because they either get a modified console offline (which means more revenue, THEY KNOW AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL BUY ANOTHER)or get the name of the stores that is selling the copies illegitimately.... Like I said this is MY OPINION!!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Nice for someone to emphasise that what they're saying is their opinion and not just stating speculation as fact! We'll never know exactly what data Microsoft use to ban people because they'll never disclose that information, and there will be many different things that they can look at. But it is fun to speculate and I've been doing a lot of that since I got banned. The region thing is a big factor for me - as so many 360 games are region free it is possible that you're playing games from all over the world on a unmodified console, but what are the odds that, living in one country, you're playing games from all over the world? If abgX360 patches ISOs with data from other regions, that could be one thing that flags you for a ban.
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 05, 2009, 11:05:00 AM
1. Some are modded to make them last longer.
2. Some people, like myself, only modify it to play backups of our purchased games.
3. Some people are not happy with the stock look of the console and want something a bit more flashy (clear case, lighted fans, etc.
Post by: sektor1062 on November 05, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: Jakass202 on November 05, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
sorry i cant help anymore, but i would still try and look into it! my house mate is currently watching scrubs on the console ... so?!
jake
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(reddragon105 @ Nov 5 2009, 07:02 PM)
I had a PS3 briefly and found it could play more of the video files that I have than my 360 could. I know I had some HD DivX files that the 360 wouldn't play so I tried them on the PS3 and they were fine. Guess that's just down to my particular file collection, though, so thanks for the heads up.
I would like to know how that is done because it's not bullcrap for me - without being connected to Xbox Live I can NOT get DivX files to play. This has been the case for me ever since the codec first got released. Without being on Live all I get is the 'This codec is unsupported' message for every file, and it will prompt me to download the codec, which means signing into Live. From what I've read this is true for everyone else, but if two people say otherwise then I'm going to look into it and see what I can do.
Nice for someone to emphasise that what they're saying is their opinion and not just stating speculation as fact! We'll never know exactly what data Microsoft use to ban people because they'll never disclose that information, and there will be many different things that they can look at. But it is fun to speculate and I've been doing a lot of that since I got banned. The region thing is a big factor for me - as so many 360 games are region free it is possible that you're playing games from all over the world on a unmodified console, but what are the odds that, living in one country, you're playing games from all over the world? If abgX360 patches ISOs with data from other regions, that could be one thing that flags you for a ban.
I would like to see the number of people banned who use abgx compared to people who rip their own games.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 5 2009, 07:02 PM)
would kill the trade in billion dollar biz for ebgames etc
a billion dollar biz the MSFT and the developers see no part of.
Post by: trick91 on November 05, 2009, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 5 2009, 07:05 PM)
I like how they make it seem that ALL modified consoles are modified to play pirated games.
1. Some are modded to make them last longer.
2. Some people, like myself, only modify it to play backups of our purchased games.
3. Some people are not happy with the stock look of the console and want something a bit more flashy (clear case, lighted fans, etc.
it dosent matter, if you open the console you void the warranty period. its up to MS from there since when you sign into live and see the EULA you agree to their terms. but i havent heard MS banning for hardware mods such as lighting or fans yet... and im betting 99% of people flash their 360 to pirate games, so im sure MS dosent care about the 1% as its still against the terms of xbox live
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 5 2009, 07:08 PM)
a billion dollar biz the MSFT and the developers see no part of.
The used car lots dont pay ford, dodge etc, people use their car till they want a new one trade it in, car companies got wise and did a program called leasing the car, wont be until they wise up and offer something similar in the game industry. MS waited for the end of the year again, the big release dates to bring up the console sales, prob is 17% unemployment rate this time, so in theory it may backfire on them, and hurt their stock even more then it already is, hell ms didnt even see a rise in sales for 45$ for their new windows
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 05, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(trick91 @ Nov 5 2009, 07:10 PM)
it dosent matter, if you open the console you void the warranty period. its up to MS from there since when you sign into live and see the EULA you agree to their terms. but i havent heard MS banning for hardware mods such as lighting or fans yet... and im betting 99% of people flash their 360 to pirate games, so im sure MS dosent care about the 1% as its still against the terms of xbox live
I know of people who added the extra internal fan to make their console last longer and they got banned even though their drive was not modified.
Post by: telemicus on November 05, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 5 2009, 07:14 PM)
I know of people who added the extra internal fan to make their console last longer and they got banned even though their drive was not modified.
same here reason why we never did it, had a brother mod his case out, etc but never wanted to be banned so he never flashed his shit, ended up banned anyways for hardware modification
Microsoft to ban you if you have a fan mod on your Xbox 360. A user of '######' was reportedly told directly from MS reps that his fan modification on the Xbox 360 is in violation of the terms of agreement so therefore MS can legally ban users from live for that very reason. His 12v fan mod wouldn't too hard to detect as voltage metering is something which should be easily detectable though bios settings.
Post by: geeck on November 05, 2009, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: Kevin Sydney on November 05, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:14 AM)
I know of people who added the extra internal fan to make their console last longer and they got banned even though their drive was not modified.
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 5 2009, 10:17 AM)
same here reason why we never did it, had a brother mod his case out, etc but never wanted to be banned so he never flashed his shit, ended up banned anyways for hardware modification
Microsoft to ban you if you have a fan mod on your Xbox 360. A user of '######' was reportedly told directly from MS reps that his fan modification on the Xbox 360 is in violation of the terms of agreement so therefore MS can legally ban users from live for that very reason. His 12v fan mod wouldn't too hard to detect as voltage metering is something which should be easily detectable though bios settings.
what...you guys better be shitting me....
Post by: ccfman2004 on November 05, 2009, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 5 2009, 07:27 PM)
what...you guys better be shitting me....
The ToS state ANY HARDWARE modification.
As a side note: Technically speaking, the DVD drive hack is a software modification since you are changing the firmware (which is the software of the drive)
Post by: yugluc on November 05, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
Either their servers were being hammered for people looking for answers or
we have conspiracy theory of MS created ABGX to catch those who backup games.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 5 2009, 07:14 PM)
The used car lots dont pay ford, dodge etc, people use their car till they want a new one trade it in, car companies got wise and did a program called leasing the car, wont be until they wise up and offer something similar in the game industry. MS waited for the end of the year again, the big release dates to bring up the console sales, prob is 17% unemployment rate this time, so in theory it may backfire on them, and hurt their stock even more then it already is, hell ms didnt even see a rise in sales for 45$ for their new windows
A used car is not as good as a new car....it has a set life.....the disk does not.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 05, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
Liteon DG-16D2S 74850C
Post by: Tagg on November 05, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
QUOTE(yugluc @ Nov 5 2009, 07:38 PM)
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that www.abgx.net no longer works.
Either their servers were being hammered for people looking for answers or
we have conspiracy theory of MS created ABGX to catch those who backup games.
ABGX has nothing to do with backups, they simply list scene releases. You are thinking of ABGX360.net.
Post by: Xijar on November 05, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
I've played over 100 different "backups" in my gamerscore whoring days. Most passed some software verification, but not all. I've played at least 10 big name blockbuster titles a few days or even weeks early. I have a launch console Samsung drive that has been modded for years, never been banned.
But, I have spent around a thousand dollars on DLC, Arcade games, etc on Xbox Live, in addition to my yearly $50 gold subscription. Just sayin'.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Xijar @ Nov 5 2009, 02:48 PM)
I actually think there may be validity to correlating bans with profitability of XBL accounts/consoles.
I've played over 100 different "backups" in my gamerscore whoring days. Most passed some software verification, but not all. I've played at least 10 big name blockbuster titles a few days or even weeks early. I have a launch console Samsung drive that has been modded for years, never been banned.
But, I have spent around a thousand dollars on DLC, Arcade games, etc on Xbox Live, in addition to my yearly $50 gold subscription. Just sayin'.
No.
People who have spent thousands have been banned.
I haven't spent a dime, other than my 3 1-year Gold Memberships, which I bought on closeout at K-Mart for $12 each. Not banned.
Let's just put an end to that theory right now. It doesn't speak to any method for Microsoft detecting hacked consoles. Even if this was remotely something that came into play on Microsoft's application of bans, it would only be speaking to policy, not to the heart of the matter that we care about - the "how".
Post by: yugluc on November 05, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Tagg @ Nov 5 2009, 07:46 PM)
ABGX has nothing to do with backups, they simply list scene releases. You are thinking of ABGX360.net.
My bad. Bad Google for showing me wrong web site.
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
QUOTE(ccfman2004 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:05 PM)
I like how they make it seem that ALL modified consoles are modified to play pirated games.
1. Some are modded to make them last longer.
2. Some people, like myself, only modify it to play backups of our purchased games.
3. Some people are not happy with the stock look of the console and want something a bit more flashy (clear case, lighted fans, etc.
Now this is a lame post here. You know what they are talking about. Stop trying to beat around the bush. All of us know what they are talking about. Firmware flashes are not going to make your system last longer.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on November 05, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 5 2009, 11:04 AM)
Now this is a lame post here. You know what they are talking about. Stop trying to beat around the bush. All of us know what they are talking about. Firmware flashes are not going to make your system last longer.
actually if you want to replace your DVD drive because the lazer or Lens is failing you need to read the firmware on current drive to replace it
then your replacement uses the older firmware spoofed
Post by: raidenjet on November 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:06 PM)
actually if you want to replace your DVD drive because the lazer or Lens is failing you need to read the firmware on current drive to replace it
then your replacement uses the older firmware spoofed
Actually i just replaced the laser in the same drive and i was fine. Not buying a new drive to fix a laser.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 5 2009, 01:37 PM)
1.6 Ben Q
Flashed 2 months ago using connection kit
Played no backups as of yet on it, only do to the loss of jobs in the family and not having disc.
Couldnt even tell you if it was successful as far as the firmware since never was tested.
Status Banned
Son was on this morning, worked, just went to check netflix, banned
I find this very strange.
I'll repeat it again: There is no way for Microsoft to read the firmware of your drive. If you never played a single backup, there should be no way for them to determine you have a hacked system. Hacked firmware runs an original game discs EXACTLY as a non-hacked drive. Since the interface to the console remains indistinguishable from a non-hacked drive (key challenges, SATA status queries, etc), the only way Microsoft would be able to "see" a hacked drive is to infer it, by somehow detecting a backup was run in the system.
Except....
In a previous ban wave (two years ago), I did postulate that Microsoft **could** detect when the console was powered up, but the drive was not connected (when using the Xbox 360 as the power source during a flash). I would still consider this low probability, since an actual drive failure could cause this situation - however, the likelihood of the drive reappearing, and able to connect to Live increases the odds against a legit failure.
In general, I don't think Microsoft would take any odds that allow a legitimate failure to cause a banning, but I could be wrong. Clearly they have become more aggressive with regards to the ban waves in recent years.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: RMF on November 05, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 5 2009, 08:06 PM)
then your replacement uses the older firmware spoofed
..which then enables you to continue playing your illegal copies. Come on, get real. 99.9 (reccuring)% of the flashed drives out there were modded for illegal purposes. MS knows this as well as we all do. If a miniscule percentage of legit users get banned then that's a small price to pay for protecting their business.
Post by: azuziel on November 05, 2009, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(clouduz @ Nov 5 2009, 02:09 PM)
lol i read through this whole topic so far and for the people who need to be on live to play divx don't know what's wrong with your crap i just tried playing all kinds of divx and i'm NOT on live works fine. i also have the latest dash update. are you trying to play divx on the profile you downloaded the codec to? B/c i didn't sign into my profile and tried to play divx said need to get on live, signed in my profile NOT live and played fine. I don't think i'll be using live anymore since they are stopping from installing to hard drive. I could care less about live in general never buy stuff anyway
I also, have to be on live to play divx content. Wether that speaks to a bug or not, dunno. Just wanted to state, the other guy that has to be on live to play divx, is not alone.
It is not related to the codec being stored in an unsigned in profile. For whatever reason, if live goes down, so does my ability to play divx content. Both my boxes are true of this.
More here: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=637843 , thanks to the author
This post has been edited by azuziel: Nov 5 2009, 08:18 PM
Post by: troublebreathing on November 05, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(clouduz @ Nov 5 2009, 08:09 PM)
lol i read through this whole topic so far and for the people who need to be on live to play divx don't know what's wrong with your crap i just tried playing all kinds of divx and i'm NOT on live works fine. i also have the latest dash update. are you trying to play divx on the profile you downloaded the codec to? B/c i didn't sign into my profile and tried to play divx said need to get on live, signed in my profile NOT live and played fine. I don't think i'll be using live anymore since they are stopping from installing to hard drive. I could care less about live in general never buy stuff anyway
If you're trying to play DivX content on a 360 different from the one you originally downloaded the DivX update on, much like XBL Arcade games, you have to be logged in to play it.
I need to either re-download it , or figure out a way around this before i get banned!
Post by: nothingface on November 05, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
I've been banned in the past... For playing copies online early... I was NEVER banned immediatly... I played a review copy of Saints Row 2.... I wasnt banned untill the ban wave... Nothing was instant.
Thats obvious knowledge for some... But I am here to educate those who might be in the dark....
After being banned... I got another console... and am on the one I got now... I've had it... I play ANY release no matter how early OFFLINE... My HDD connected... Just yank my ethernet.. I do NOT use wireless.
I have been playing nearly every game early... Batman... WET... you name it... I DID NOT play Forza.. But I did play Borderlands and beat it before it was even officially out.... Connecting my internet back after the gamertag ban wave I was nervous because of all this speculation of a "NAND CHIP" Which I believe is bogus.... I to this day have YET TO BE BANNED.... And here is the biggest piece of info I can offer.
I NEVER AND I REPEAT I NEVER VERIFY MY GAMES THROUGH ABGX
And I've yet to be banned.... I burn games the second they are released unless they are NUKED or are known to be review copies for a fact.... But It they are not.. I play them right off the bat and never wait for verification......
My beliefe.... There is flaws in ABGX and people are getting caught in them....
Post by: christanya99 on November 05, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
Arcade console with 120gb h/d that I bought separately.
Lite On with 1.6 I think.......
Playing COD4
All games were fully verified with ABGX (not that it matters obvioulsy) and I have never ran the acitvate.iso or any Wave 4 games...... but I will now..
I lost the rights to launch games or install games to my hard drive. If I buy a new console will the drive work with full rights on it?? Also, when I log into XBL via my computer it still shows me having a Gold Membership which I just bought. Is that void or will it be ok to add to the new console?
Thanks!
Post by: dinoman22 on November 05, 2009, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(BRuTaL2k @ Nov 5 2009, 12:30 AM)
Hi All,
Just thought I would feed this info in..
Never been banned before had xboxs since day one (On my fourth due to RROD, Elite upgrade etc)
Console modded with 1.6 and always made my own back ups using Kreon drive and always double checked with ABGX / Mulleter before that.
So I was a little shocked to be banned
My Console is running the Lite On drive (Modded with Frosty the snowman software)
Also my friend also got banned today to..
R
Paul
The annoying thing is no longer being able to watch XVIDS the 360 is a pimp XVID player.
Also to clarify I have never played any downloaded games on my console.
If you have access to a memory card and a friend they can download the optional media update "Lets you play unprotected music (AAC format) on your console from Zune or iPod. Lets you play MPEG4 movies on your console."
http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/me...5-d802fffe07df/
I have an arcade and a memory card and verify this works.
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(rvvisse @ Nov 5 2009, 05:58 PM)
Paranoid much? You apparently don't work in IT. You have no idea the cost of people and time it would take to consolidate all these people from one of America's largest companies together.
Besides, this is simply NOT possible. Sorry, but you can't ban a console for suspicious posts online.
Yes, you can, if you have the power to do so. Who is there to stop you?
At least 95% of people with unmodded consoles don't know what C4E means, or iXtreme, ABGX, even Wave4 or any number of scene or scene release URLs.
A simple scan for these keywords, an IP match, and you're banned. It's not difficult, at all. As for non-M$ companies, they get a fee and a/or nice cosy relationship with M$, one of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world. They have nothing to lose, only something to gain.
Sure, M$ might accidentally ban a few people that have unmodded boxen, but a)that would be a minute percentage because only modders ever use those keywords; and b)thats why legit consumers can appeal the ban and have it revoked. Modders wouldn't appeal.
Overall success rate = 99%. And 20 pages full of already disproven methods of what gets you banned and what doesn't from modders scratching their heads.
My theory is better than anyone else's in this thread. If you disagree, post a better theory please.
Post by: sancho_panza on November 05, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
I am a bit sad but overall, it was quite predictable.
My console had two months and the live annual subscription something like two weeks.
So, now I am deciding if selling everything and change hobby (or abandone videogames), or buying another for the live and keeping this, or buying another and selling this banned...
I have no real friends to play (yes is it) and so, for me, the live thing was good.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on November 05, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on November 05, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 5 2009, 11:09 AM)
Actually i just replaced the laser in the same drive and i was fine. Not buying a new drive to fix a laser.
you can take that route but its harder having to open the DVD drive and view readme's on how to replace that component
replacing with another drive costs $20 and its an easier swap (Benqs on ebay are really cheap right now)
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 05, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 06:54 PM)
Let's just put an end to that theory right now. It doesn't speak to any method for Microsoft detecting hacked consoles. Even if this was remotely something that came into play on Microsoft's application of bans, it would only be speaking to policy, not to the heart of the matter that we care about - the "how".
Why don't you have 1000G in avatar?
That's actually worse than having it on your gamercard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
QUOTE(christanya99 @ Nov 5 2009, 07:20 PM)
Just got banned!!
Arcade console with 120gb h/d that I bought separately.
Lite On with 1.6 I think.......
Playing COD4
All games were fully verified with ABGX (not that it matters obvioulsy) and I have never ran the acitvate.iso or any Wave 4 games...... but I will now..
I lost the rights to launch games or install games to my hard drive. If I buy a new console will the drive work with full rights on it?? Also, when I log into XBL via my computer it still shows me having a Gold Membership which I just bought. Is that void or will it be ok to add to the new console?
Thanks!
These are console bans, not account bans, so your Live membership + gamertag is fine.
Buy a new console, attach your HDD, recover your profile from Live & play.
You can also use the licence transfer tool on xbox.com to get all purchased content to work while offline on the new console.
QUOTE(Vejita @ Nov 5 2009, 07:29 PM)
Can you get banned if you dont login to Xbox Live but do the connection test instead?
I believe you still get banned, but nobody has tried this yet - you have asked it several times before, but still it has not been tested.
I will try it every time i switch on my console & post back if i get banned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by K1LLERHORNET: Nov 5 2009, 08:31 PM
Post by: nothingface on November 05, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 08:27 PM)
Yes, you can, if you have the power to do so. Who is there to stop you?
At least 95% of people with unmodded consoles don't know what C4E means, or iXtreme, ABGX, even Wave4 or any number of scene or scene release URLs.
A simple scan for these keywords, an IP match, and you're banned. It's not difficult, at all. As for non-M$ companies, they get a fee and a/or nice cosy relationship with M$, one of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world. They have nothing to lose, only something to gain.
Sure, M$ might accidentally ban a few people that have unmodded boxen, but a)that would be a minute percentage because only modders ever use those keywords; and b)thats why legit consumers can appeal the ban and have it revoked. Modders wouldn't appeal.
Overall success rate = 99%. And 20 pages full of already disproven methods of what gets you banned and what doesn't from modders scratching their heads.
My theory is better than anyone else's in this thread. If you disagree, post a better theory please.
If that is your theory then why would you be on a forum using those exact words to get yourself banned... Your theory is way too extreme and does'nt seem plausible.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(dinoman22 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:22 PM)
If you have access to a memory card and a friend they can download the optional media update "Lets you play unprotected music (AAC format) on your console from Zune or iPod. Lets you play MPEG4 movies on your console."
http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/me...5-d802fffe07df/
I have an arcade and a memory card and verify this works.
I hope that helps the people who have to be on live someone try that and see if you still need live.. well looks like I just joined some of you for the live thing. Got on live to use the rest of my points b4 i get banned and had to do an update, yesterday i did like 2 updates. Now it restarted went to play a divx file and now i need to be on live to play it, this shit sucks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: armyof1ne on November 05, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 12:09 PM)
I find this very strange.
I'll repeat it again: There is no way for Microsoft to read the firmware of your drive. If you never played a single backup, there should be no way for them to determine you have a hacked system. Hacked firmware runs an original game discs EXACTLY as a non-hacked drive. Since the interface to the console remains indistinguishable from a non-hacked drive (key challenges, SATA status queries, etc), the only way Microsoft would be able to "see" a hacked drive is to infer it, by somehow detecting a backup was run in the system.
Except....
In a previous ban wave (two years ago), I did postulate that Microsoft **could** detect when the console was powered up, but the drive was not connected (when using the Xbox 360 as the power source during a flash). I would still consider this low probability, since an actual drive failure could cause this situation - however, the likelihood of the drive reappearing, and able to connect to Live increases the odds against a legit failure.
In general, I don't think Microsoft would take any odds that allow a legitimate failure to cause a banning, but I could be wrong. Clearly they have become more aggressive with regards to the ban waves in recent years.
Are you saying that its not feasible that *Without changing the internal architecture* that they cant find the firmware version at all? If a computer can do it... They can make an software emulation of a computer that could read the firmware just not dump it or anything... I think this is a possibility, unfortunetly with everything being encrypted to high hell on the Mobo.. it would be hard to figure just how these consoles are being detected, They arent doing random shots in the dark, There is a method to their madness... The obvious thought is unstealthed games, things of that nature... But because numbers dont jive(Between people doing legit backups and knowin wtflark is up vs the people that dont)... I believe a dormant Emulation proggy was loaded via older update and captured data(Including dvd serials and product_Id numbers and even the firmware version things like that)... a program running in the background hidden is extremely easy to make... Since they know all the encryption and everything else, it would be a million times easier for them to make vs peeps here who cant crack it completely yet......
Post by: RaGa_MuFFiN on November 05, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
Anyone want to buy a cheap xbox360? LOL
Post by: nothingface on November 05, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 5 2009, 08:29 PM)
Why don't you have 1000G in avatar?
That's actually worse than having it on your gamercard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
These are console bans, not account bans, so your Live membership + gamertag is fine.
Buy a new console, attach your HDD, recover your profile from Live & play.
You can also use the licence transfer tool on xbox.com to get all purchased content to work while offline on the new console.
I believe you still get banned, but nobody has tried this yet - you have asked it several times before, but still it has not been tested.
I will try it every time i switch on my console & post back if i get banned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Just tried this and im not banned.
Post by: MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 on November 05, 2009, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(RaGa_MuFFiN @ Nov 5 2009, 11:34 AM)
Well I got banned today. So its prolly true. Ah well.. Finally a step in the right direction (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'll just go out and buy an Elite instead of my old launch model now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Anyone want to buy a cheap xbox360? LOL
Buy a Ps3 and tell M$ to F off
keep downloading games and play the single player
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:42 PM)
Personally I have spend way over $500 on DLC on Live Marketplace and I have never been banned since day 1 a few years back.
BUT I don't see them not banning someone they know has a modded console just because they spend money at the marketplace. More likely they will see that as a sign of someone that will buy another console so they can still have access to their marketplace content.
Edit. Well its not DLC and its not just ripping your own games because after years of Live with modded drive I just got banned.
Good thing there is a big sale on Arcades Saturday. May as well pick one up and leave it untouched for Live.
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
QUOTE(nothingface @ Nov 5 2009, 01:19 PM)
I've been comming to this site reading posts for awhile now... Gathering what I read and my own personal expierances... This is what I know and what I believe.... Take it how you want.
I've been banned in the past... For playing copies online early... I was NEVER banned immediatly... I played a review copy of Saints Row 2.... I wasnt banned untill the ban wave... Nothing was instant.
Thats obvious knowledge for some... But I am here to educate those who might be in the dark....
After being banned... I got another console... and am on the one I got now... I've had it... I play ANY release no matter how early OFFLINE... My HDD connected... Just yank my ethernet.. I do NOT use wireless.
I have been playing nearly every game early... Batman... WET... you name it... I DID NOT play Forza.. But I did play Borderlands and beat it before it was even officially out.... Connecting my internet back after the gamertag ban wave I was nervous because of all this speculation of a "NAND CHIP" Which I believe is bogus.... I to this day have YET TO BE BANNED.... And here is the biggest piece of info I can offer.
I NEVER AND I REPEAT I NEVER VERIFY MY GAMES THROUGH ABGX
And I've yet to be banned.... I burn games the second they are released unless they are NUKED or are known to be review copies for a fact.... But It they are not.. I play them right off the bat and never wait for verification......
My beliefe.... There is flaws in ABGX and people are getting caught in them....
You know what. I'm not banned as well and i never used ABGX as well.
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 05, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(nothingface @ Nov 5 2009, 07:34 PM)
Just tried this and im not banned.
That's good, but the only way you know if this method works is doing the connection test, passing it & then once you sign in, see if you have been banned from Live.
I would also like to know if you can get a ban message upon doing a connection test.
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
QUOTE(MSsucksgonnabuyaPS3 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:29 PM)
you can take that route but its harder having to open the DVD drive and view readme's on how to replace that component
replacing with another drive costs $20 and its an easier swap (Benqs on ebay are really cheap right now)
If you say so. I did the laser with ease.
Post by: facex13 on November 05, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(christanya99 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:20 PM)
Just got banned!!
Arcade console with 120gb h/d that I bought separately.
Lite On with 1.6 I think.......
Playing COD4
All games were fully verified with ABGX (not that it matters obvioulsy) and I have never ran the acitvate.iso or any Wave 4 games...... but I will now..
I lost the rights to launch games or install games to my hard drive. If I buy a new console will the drive work with full rights on it?? Also, when I log into XBL via my computer it still shows me having a Gold Membership which I just bought. Is that void or will it be ok to add to the new console?
Thanks!
Did you have any of your backups installed to your hard drive? I thought this was a bit fishy that MS is banning people from installing games on HDD's. Maybe the solution is to install the games to your HDD because why else would they not want u too install games unless it prevented them from detecting you. Just a thought.
Post by: doobzilla on November 05, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
I have been repairing/modding consoles since the ps1 days (good ol scph-1001 upside down trick) and must say that if someone wishes to prolong the life of their games by making back-up copies should be allowed to do so as long as they don't abuse the privilege by going on live and breaking the rules that have been set forth. I fully understand and have read the rules and agree with them. Yet I want the freedom to do almost whatever I want with my purchased games.
I remember a time when it was illegal to modify/reverse engineer games to suit your own purposes/needs/desires (DOA Beach Volleyball nude hack). But one of the most enjoyable things for most of this community is the challenge that comes from modifying and making things better/more fun.
Imagine if home construction/automotive manufacturers/food manufacturers took the same approach. I know, I know, it isn't quite the same thing (apples to limes etc.). But in essence, the principles match up. You buy home/car/foodstuffs and do with them what you want from the minute that you buy them. Considering that software is intellectual property I understand that the creators of said IP are entitled to their vision being unspoiled by attempts to change it. In the same vein, shouldn't a chef get angry if you want to add some salt of freshly cracked pepper to your entree. Or change the exhaust (legally mind you, as I work in this industry) on your brand new truck. Or perhaps install new carpet/flooring in your house. These things might seem to be totally different, but they all carry the same basic social commentary with them, when you buy something, don't you own part/all of it?
Sorry for the rant, but these things really get at me. The legalese that these companies hide behind is almost asinine.
Post by: TemperTantrum on November 05, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 5 2009, 09:46 PM)
You know what. I'm not banned and i never used ABGX as well.
Hmmmm...
This is starting to crop up in quite a few places now.
I have a friend that has been flashed for about a year now. Played a shit load of games early (apart from any microsoft released titles), and never ever verified anything with ABGX. Not banned.
Yet another friend that is one of the most carefull going, and used to laugh at the other one for not verifying and playing games early, is banned!
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(TemperTantrum @ Nov 5 2009, 02:58 PM)
Hmmmm...
This is starting to crop up in quite a few places now.
I have a friend that has been flashed for about a year now. Played a shit load of games early (apart from any microsoft released titles), and never ever verified anything with ABGX. Not banned.
Yet another friend that is one of the most carefull going, and used to laugh at the other one for not verifying and playing games early, is banned!
I just got banned and I never used abgx to patch any of my games and I rip my own so......
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
QUOTE(facex13 @ Nov 5 2009, 01:56 PM)
Did you have any of your backups installed to your hard drive? I thought this was a bit fishy that MS is banning people from installing games on HDD's. Maybe the solution is to install the games to your HDD because why else would they not want u too install games unless it prevented them from detecting you. Just a thought.
who knows maybe on to something i never play games without installing them eve since we got the ability to do so. I also have a "upgraded" 250gb hard drive and still not banned
Post by: vumpler on November 05, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
What is our best option to make this thing as useable as possible.
1. Do we format our hard drive to allow for saves etc?
2. Is there any way to enable the function of installing games to the HDD?
3. How do we set it up to be able to still work as a media center for divx files?
4. Is it best to just erase all of the user accounts on the HDD and create a new account for this one? Or keep using your Gamertag just unplug your Ethernet cord? Because I'm assuming most people are going to get another xbox so keep the duplicate account on this box too or is there an advantage to wiping it?
5. Basically wheres a guide to making this thing as usable as possible in the banned environment.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE(armyof1ne @ Nov 5 2009, 03:34 PM)
Are you saying that its not feasible that *Without changing the internal architecture* that they cant find the firmware version at all? If a computer can do it... They can make an software emulation of a computer that could read the firmware just not dump it or anything... I think this is a possibility, unfortunetly with everything being encrypted to high hell on the Mobo.. it would be hard to figure just how these consoles are being detected, They arent doing random shots in the dark, There is a method to their madness... The obvious thought is unstealthed games, things of that nature... But because numbers dont jive(Between people doing legit backups and knowin wtflark is up vs the people that dont)... I believe a dormant Emulation proggy was loaded via older update and captured data(Including dvd serials and product_Id numbers and even the firmware version things like that)... a program running in the background hidden is extremely easy to make... Since they know all the encryption and everything else, it would be a million times easier for them to make vs peeps here who cant crack it completely yet......
Well, I could just ask you to defer to my user number, moderator status, and reputation, but that would be petty of me, heh heh.
The reality is that in order to bypass firmguard, you have to cycle power. The Xbox 360 console is not designed to do this. The test/debug mode that the optical drive makers kept in their firmware, which enables us to read the firmware (well, not any longer, since drives made from August on) is designed for a QA /refurb department, with human intervention and specialized equipment. There are even reasons only certain chipsets work with this. The console hardware simply is not equipped to get around Firmguard. The whole "feature" was intended to defeat anybody from reading the drive once flashed (it just had lots of holes that could be exploited with a PC, the right chipset, and human intervention).
Beyond all that, people like C4Eva know the firmware inside and out... and they have tools to monitor traffic across the SATA connection. In other words, they know EXACTLY what is possible for the console to query to the drive, and what the responses should be. **EVEN IF** Microsoft started using a different query from the ones they've used in the past, those bases have already been covered (even so, we'd have heard about it on the news page - every dash update gets scrutinized by C4Eva and probably a hundred others in the scene).
Post by: Wenom on November 05, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Sorry to ruin your party but:
Way too many just got their hands on dodgy Modern Warfare 2 copies. Rumor says that when those copies leaked, there were more than 4000 players on the servers that day (and even now the number is raising) and these same people are now spreading false rumours about these bans.
Anyway, people who use ABGX360 are completely safe. Including me. We have absolutely nothing to worry about. There are no random bans, PERIOD. Microsoft doesn't know that you have modded firmware, PERIOD. You can only trust yourself in a situation like this, PERIOD. Never, ever make that mistake that you trust pirates. They are stealers and liars afterall, PERIOD. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Just chill out people, everything is under control even if it doesn't seem like it. Don't let these masses get over your heads. Common sense people, common sense.
Post by: dragontm on November 05, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
I wait and hope that its over now and i and those who are the same as me do not get KPOOOOOOOOOOWW'D over the head with the ban hammer.
Post by: sancho_panza on November 05, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 5 2009, 08:49 PM)
That's good, but the only way you know if this method works is doing the connection test, passing it & then once you sign in, see if you have been banned from Live.
I would also like to know if you can get a ban message upon doing a connection test.
No, I am banned and just tried the verify, and it likewise said I am banned.
So that test should be good to know.
The fact, is that if you go for the test and notice you are banned, it's likely you've already lost your hdd installation feature. .ok
This post has been edited by sancho_panza: Nov 5 2009, 09:06 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 04:00 PM)
I just got banned and I never used abgx to patch any of my games and I rip my own so......
I'm not going to claim that abgx is the only culprit, as with ALL of the ban waves, Microsoft clearly has several methods they use to find hacked consoles.
Ever power cycle a console with the optical drive unplugged from it? What do you use to rip your games? What firmware? Drive model? Nobody else had access to the console?
Post by: Artlover on November 05, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
QUOTE(rvvisse @ Nov 5 2009, 05:58 PM)
Paranoid much? You apparently don't work in IT. You have no idea the cost of people and time it would take to consolidate all these people from one of America's largest companies together.
Ever hear of Google? Their data mining already puts fatvince's hypothesis to shame. Maybe if other companies weren't already doing much of what was suggested (granted, for different reasons), it might have been possible to give your hypothesis of impossible a little more credit.QUOTE(rvvisse @ Nov 5 2009, 05:58 PM)
Sorry, but you can't ban a console for suspicious posts online.
Can't ban legitimate unmodified consoles being used by honest people either, or block legitimate hardware, legally purchased by honest people from reputable vendors. Oh wait, they HAVE done those things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) After two consoles, one would think that most people would finally grasp that MS doesn't do what's right, but what suits their agenda. And while I'm at it....
I wish people would stop claiming that it's impossible for MS to remotely brick consoles. It's obvious no one has any concept as to what IBM's eFuse technology is, what it was designed for and how the 360 uses it. The eFuse matrix in the 360 not only holds dash update info, but it also stores it's unique CPU key. Instead of popping a fuse on the dash count area, you just pop a fuse in the CPU key area = key mismatch = failed authentication = bootstrap fails = bricked console w/RROD. The fact that MS put the CPU key in the eFuse matrix to begin with tells me they were planning for that option from the start. I think the only thing stopping them right now is they are waiting on their lawyers to work out a defense to the subsequent lawsuits that would follow before actively sending out "suicide updates", as technically doing such a thing would be illegal in most countries.
Post by: sancho_panza on November 05, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Wenom @ Nov 5 2009, 09:04 PM)
Phew... I really don't know if these threads are just one big scams or what but this is definitely not funny anymore. <--- Just my opinion.
...
Just chill out people, everything is under control even if it doesn't seem like it. Don't let these masses get over your heads. Common sense people, common sense.
No, you are not safe. You are likely to be banned in minutes.
Post by: vumpler on November 05, 2009, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE
Originally Posted by juvental604
:1.6 Ben Q
Flashed 2 months ago using connection kit
Played no backups as of yet on it, only do to the loss of jobs in the family and not having disc.
Couldnt even tell you if it was successful as far as the firmware since never was tested.
Status Banned
Son was on this morning, worked, just went to check netflix, banned
:1.6 Ben Q
Flashed 2 months ago using connection kit
Played no backups as of yet on it, only do to the loss of jobs in the family and not having disc.
Couldnt even tell you if it was successful as far as the firmware since never was tested.
Status Banned
Son was on this morning, worked, just went to check netflix, banned
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 05, 2009, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Nov 5 2009, 08:05 PM)
No, I am banned and just tried the verify, and it likewise said I am banned.
So that test should be good to know.
The fact, is that if you go for the test and notice you are banned, it's likely you've already lost your hdd installation feature. .ok
ok - thanks for that
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Artlover @ Nov 5 2009, 04:07 PM)
Ever hear of Google? Their data mining already puts fatvince's hypothesis to shame. Maybe if other companies weren't already doing much of what was suggested (granted, for different reasons), it might have been possible to give your hypothesis of impossible a little more credit.
Can't ban legitimate unmodified consoles being used by honest people either, or block legitimate hardware, legally purchased by honest people from reputable vendors. Oh wait, they HAVE done those things.
After two consoles, one would think that most people would finally grasp that MS doesn't do what's right, but what suits their agenda. Look at my info. I've never been banned, yet I'd be an obvious target. Microsoft can easily figure out who I am, I've given plenty of clues, too.
Delusional Paranoia is a bad thing, people. Please seek treatment.
QUOTE
And while I'm at it....
I wish people would stop claiming that it's impossible for MS to remotely brick consoles. It's obvious no one has any concept as to what IBM's eFuse technology is, what it was designed for and how the 360 uses it. The eFuse matrix in the 360 not only holds dash update info, but it also stores it's unique CPU key. Instead of popping a fuse on the dash count area, you just pop a fuse in the CPU key area = key mismatch = failed authentication = bootstrap fails = bricked console w/RROD. The fact that MS put the CPU key in the eFuse matrix to begin with tells me they were planning for that option from the start. I think the only thing stopping them right now is they are waiting on their lawyers to work out a defense to the subsequent lawsuits that would follow before actively sending out "suicide updates", as technically doing such a thing would be illegal in most countries.
I've not seen anybody make THAT claim. Of course Microsoft physically **COULD** brick a console, but doing so intentionally leaves them open to a massive class action suit; and given the legal precedences that go back to the mid-80s, all the lawyers on the West Coast couldn't save them from losing it. Simply put, there is no way, legally, that Microsoft can brick your console. Not here in the US, and the EU? Seriously... you think the MS-haters in charge there would let them get away with it?
No, MS is not bricking consoles on purpose; not because they cannot physically do it, but because it would probably bring down the entire company (both by punitive awards from legal action, and the complete loss of consumer confidence).
A previous update **may** have inadvertently bricked some consoles, in fact, but I believe that was because they flashed Jasper calibrations on Falcon motherboards, screwing up the fan speeds and voltages, and causing those systems to overheat.
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on November 05, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
This post has been edited by WOlfSaviorZX: Nov 5 2009, 09:28 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(vumpler @ Nov 5 2009, 04:19 PM)
Taken from another forum:
QUOTE
Originally Posted by juvental604
:1.6 Ben Q
Flashed 2 months ago using connection kit
Played no backups as of yet on it, only do to the loss of jobs in the family and not having disc.
Couldnt even tell you if it was successful as far as the firmware since never was tested.
Status Banned
Son was on this morning, worked, just went to check netflix, banned
Odd, but that was EXACTLY the same EXACT, character-for-character post Shage made here.
Now I have to wonder if it is a legitimate post, or FUD - either professionally, or just somebody trying to be stupid.
Post by: garageink on November 05, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
This is my second console ban and I am not playing the game any more. I'll play backups on 360 and online on PS3.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
Okay, i was able to play divx without being online, then today had an update then bam! NO more playing offline (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif) So i google it and followed these directions <a href="http://www.XS Filter - Part of a banned network of sites that promotes and distributes roms, wares, and other copyright code ** Do not post links from that nework on XS you will be banned **.com/postxf3818-0-0.html" target="_blank">http://www.XS Filter - Part of a banned network of sites that promotes and distributes roms, wares, and other copyright code ** Do not post links from that nework on XS you will be banned **.com/postxf3818-0-0.html</a>
Just read the whole topic only two pages but for those who are lazy. First off, once again only for those NOT banned and have to be signed it to play divx. I made a new profile, wasgonig to make silver but they gave me the opportunity to make a gold so i did it, but instructions say silver is fine. Well delete your old codec, make a new live account and re download the file, play the file sign out of live to make sure still works. Then i restarted not signed in any profile not even the onle i just made and can play divx again offline. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) If i find a way to help those who are banned I'll post
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Im absolutely positive you can get your divx/xvid movies to work offline on your 360 because I was watching all my divx/xvid files offline when i had no internet.. I had similar probs to DOA at first but it sorted itself out..
The way i think i did it was like this..
1. Turn on your XBOX 360
2. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT LOGIN at all
3. Now click on the USB HARDDRIVE with your movies etc (Portable Device)
4. Now start a movie.. it may give you a error
5. After you get the error that the movie cannot play log in with a new SILVER LIVE account.
6. Now download the media update with your new silver account.
7. When the update has finished log out of your silver account.
8. Now without being connected to the net start your movie.
it should play perfectly.
PLEASE NOTE:
That only 1 x media update is available per console.
Let me know if this works..
Sounds to me like you are only updating your XBOX LIVE GOLD profile and not your SILVER OFFLINE profile.. Hope that helps buddy.
The way i think i did it was like this..
1. Turn on your XBOX 360
2. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT LOGIN at all
3. Now click on the USB HARDDRIVE with your movies etc (Portable Device)
4. Now start a movie.. it may give you a error
5. After you get the error that the movie cannot play log in with a new SILVER LIVE account.
6. Now download the media update with your new silver account.
7. When the update has finished log out of your silver account.
8. Now without being connected to the net start your movie.
it should play perfectly.
PLEASE NOTE:
That only 1 x media update is available per console.
Let me know if this works..
Sounds to me like you are only updating your XBOX LIVE GOLD profile and not your SILVER OFFLINE profile.. Hope that helps buddy.
This post has been edited by BenJeremy: Nov 5 2009, 09:47 PM
Post by: Demonsc on November 05, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
You people they'll ever be a way to unban a console?
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
Post by: armyof1ne on November 05, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 01:03 PM)
Well, I could just ask you to defer to my user number, moderator status, and reputation, but that would be petty of me, heh heh.
The reality is that in order to bypass firmguard, you have to cycle power. The Xbox 360 console is not designed to do this. The test/debug mode that the optical drive makers kept in their firmware, which enables us to read the firmware (well, not any longer, since drives made from August on) is designed for a QA /refurb department, with human intervention and specialized equipment. There are even reasons only certain chipsets work with this. The console hardware simply is not equipped to get around Firmguard. The whole "feature" was intended to defeat anybody from reading the drive once flashed (it just had lots of holes that could be exploited with a PC, the right chipset, and human intervention).
Beyond all that, people like C4Eva know the firmware inside and out... and they have tools to monitor traffic across the SATA connection. In other words, they know EXACTLY what is possible for the console to query to the drive, and what the responses should be. **EVEN IF** Microsoft started using a different query from the ones they've used in the past, those bases have already been covered (even so, we'd have heard about it on the news page - every dash update gets scrutinized by C4Eva and probably a hundred others in the scene).
Come on man, i aint dissin on you, I just cant feasibly think of many other alternatives, If i had access to the main coding on the console(Not encrypted) i could easily create a form of reading tool that could pass information on your console and its uses.... As far as firmgaurd goes.... There are otherways of getting around firmgaurd.... Being that its a form of protection... there must be an off switch if you get my drift, The only way everyone here knows how to get around it is power cycle the drive before firmgaurd gets into active state, Or allow something like the activate.iso (0800) to disable firmgaurd.... What about when its running, They made this firmgaurd... wouldnt you think they could send a root command to the drive and have it disable actively(When its booted up and working) Something that only the manufacturers would know.... meaning mostly no one here... I hate this bs... The only thing anyone can do at this point is speculate... The more info we get the more vexed at least i get...
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well.
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Demonsc @ Nov 5 2009, 09:39 PM)
I've modded over 20 consoles, and only 1 of them has been banned, and i modded that specifc console about a week ago. And the game played was NBA LIVE 10.
You people they'll ever be a way to unban a console?
The only way as of now is to basically make your 360 a different 360. You can do this by removing the NAND and CPU combination from a RRoD'd board and put it on your board. (Would also need either the DVD PCB or run JTAG to get XeLL to display the CPU key to decrypt the NAND to get the DVDKey.) Very risky and would need be done by a professional with tools. I do reballs/reflows and haven't tested this yet but there's nothing from preventing this theory from working.
Post by: KaoSouL on November 05, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: ms662412 on November 05, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(KaoSouL @ Nov 5 2009, 10:06 PM)
Wouldn't the logical explanation simply be a media check? I've burnt plenty of games and if I put one in my computer they'll still turn up with a description of the media they're burned on, Pioneer, Verbatim, Memorex, etc. Wouldn't the simplest solution to MS problems be checking for discs not on the standard MS media?
People with Verbs that return DVD-Rom Media consistent have been banned.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 09:55 PM)
Crap.
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well.
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
well crap!!!!
now I am scared.....although I do think you might have to eat a little crow...just based off the last few pages
LOL
Ben Jeremy when was the last time you had signed on prior to this ban?
just curious as to approximately when they did the ban
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 6 2009, 02:51 AM)
ok so you buy parts which you state cost peanuts i will agree with the parts you stated do cost almost nothing but they don't make a 360 also if you get dvd drive so cheap why is your store price so high 75 dollars for a dvd drive is not peanuts at all? why would i sell something to make a profit without a mark up, i just matched the current market price as is good business practices.
so your a retailer then you should know the law which you dont so clearly your just an online seller and you should be pleased with all the screw ups it keeps you employed.(um yes sir)
I have worked for ms what does that matter i had nothing to do with 360 i was just a network engineer.( i had a feeling you must have had an affiliation with them, judging buy you biased comments)
you should of said you can do a patch up job for 45 dollars.(excuse me but i have a prototype IR BGA rework station i have since developed the profile for the company that produces them and made videos of repair, we warranty every console we repair, firstly i would like to point out we started out using a hot air system to do the rework on the 360, as with commonly know videos, we had around 80% success rate with the repairs, however long term we had so many returns which i warrantyed every single one, we figured out this was due to the solde not actually properly reflowing, i then went out and brought this top of the line machine, spent over 4K developing the profile and can now reflow and reball any xbox with 90% sucsess rate with just the GPU chips, we do a custom fan mod with every repair to minimize the heat issue to prevent solder from coming loose again. we have around 5% returns in 5 month period. i think this is very good. we advise all our customers never to do a 45$ xclamp fix, as this can damage chips further. you know nothing about what you are talking. i am hapy to provide you with photo evidence, video evidence of our repairs, and i would even let some customers call you to confirm our sucsess with these repairs.)
I would advise go back to uni to look up law you would then see what i stated about retailer is in fact correct if i buy a console from you and it is broken then ms dont have to deal with it you do that is the sales of goods act.( exacly why i have to spend so much repairing customers xbox that should be repaired by microsoft for free, ps i work at a uni part time and have studied law in this country)
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: Zomah on November 05, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 6 2009, 09:55 AM)
Crap.
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well.
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
would say you got banned because your gamer tag is right there, and you are one of the people trying to help stop this occuring.
however another customer in nz just rang me and said they got banned, im calling them back now for more details.
Post by: Mozbius on November 05, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
Drive: Samsung ms28
Fw: 1.61
Flash tool: iPrep (version used at the time to flash iXtrem 1.5 through VCC method)
Mboard : Asus P6T Deluxe V2 + i7
Last played game: Tekken 6 (2 days ago)
Game played before: Brutal Legend
Info:
*Ban occured only after playing Tekken6 and turning off the xbox360
*Drive was already at iXtreem 1.61 and played Brutal Legend before trying Tekken 6 for wave 4 testing
*On starting up the xbox through the eject button the drive woul not open right away and ring of light blinking order appeared kind of strange, several press of the eject button was required to have the drive react accordingly.
*Borderlands, ODST, Dirt2 , Modern war fare 2 and Forza3 haven't touch my Drive yet
UPDATE:
*Interestingly enough now I get Random E64 & E65 errors when I start the xbox 360 at other times the xbox will start ok perhaps the whole was simply aging....
*The game played before Brutal Legend was Batman Arkham
*I can't be quite sure about it but its possible that I've played Brutal before the release date but then the xbox didn't get banned only after 2-3 weeks after.
Conclusion: It could the flashing process that went wrong, Tekken6 that was wrong or perhaps Brutal Legend but I kind of doubt it... but then again those hints that may taken with a grain of salt...
Anyways I was a gold member for the second year and barely played live anyway so it's not much of a lost especially considering that Microsoft is about to crank up Gold membership fee... Time for me to undust my HOME interfaced, Multimedia & Blueray player Aka Ps3. Lol!
This post has been edited by Mozbius: Nov 5 2009, 10:41 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 5 2009, 10:19 PM)
I'v played 179 games, never been banned. Never checked anything in abgx, i only check if a release is scene and not nuked. Seems to be working perfectly!
What FW are you using? Seems i haven't seen many ppl with 1.51 hitachis getting the hammer
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 02:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 6 2009, 10:18 AM)
just out of curiosity would lead based solder hold better?
If we can be botherd doing a reball, we replace the unleadewd solder with lead, as does microsoft when they repalce the chips. we rarely need to do a reball, the time taken is far to great.
to answer you question, not particulary, but i do believe it is much better. only reason we use the lead based solder after a reball is the much lower melting temperature. we had allot of trouble damaging the GPu chips when applying enough heat to actually reflow the solder and get rid of any voids. we have a method now which eliminates this chip damage. im going to post a full tutorial after the 10 nov as my thesis is due then. this is why im procrastinating on these forums :-)
i have seen many consoles that m$ has repaired with lead solder need another repair. they have only fixed the problem caused by the faulty design and not the main issue. if you fix the problem without solving the real issue then licly to get re ocurance.
Post by: telo{+} on November 05, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 09:55 PM)
Crap.
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well.
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
I just you a PM explaining that it would be within a hypothetical possibility to detect a failed drive vs an unplugged drive.
I do not know what kind of power supply hardware they have, but it is within the realm of possibility that when the drive is powered on with no sata attached, they could look at the reference voltages and current draw on the 3, 5, and 12v power lines. If the reference/spec draw was correct and the drive was unresponsive it would only mean the drive has a severe error, they would know the difference between likely error (12v motor and laser failure) vs an unlikely error (sata cable comes loose and magically attaches itself again.
I'm not saying this is what they are doing. Just saying it MAY BE possible to detect the actual unplugging of the drive during flashing.
For everyone saying "I didn't get banned and I <enter reason/useless info/speculation here>" just WAIT this week before wasting too much time on this.
Post by: NaughtyTester on November 05, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
Hard drive only had game saves and DLC on it NO installed games, played really releases, used ABGX some times, No bootdisk for wave 4, all done with old box, was out of warrntey and 3 red light ever 5 days
got tried of it. The one I sent in I found at a pawn shop for 20$
Flash box with power from console av was unpluged, Falcon is the board
WTF
Consoles can't check the firmware my a@$.
Post by: Shape1t on November 05, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
As about me, i never been to live, and don't want to. Btw new box costs not the 160-200 $ but near 500-600$ and retail games not about 50$ but...100-130$!. That's why i do not purchase retail games and have my box flashed xD. And i cannot afford another 1 if my first will be banned. So...having no troubles without live
Although prefer oldschool PC multiplayer(looking forward to MW2)
This post has been edited by Shape1t: Nov 5 2009, 10:50 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 5 2009, 05:13 PM)
well crap!!!!
now I am scared.....although I do think you might have to eat a little crow...just based off the last few pages
LOL
Ben Jeremy when was the last time you had signed on prior to this ban?
just curious as to approximately when they did the ban
No crow to be eaten. I'll admit that some people, never having used agbx to patch their games, have been banned... maybe never even played a backup. As I said, this console, when I modded it, did get powered up without a "valid" drive hooked up, because the first flash did not take (for whatever reason). I flash using a separate power supply.
As I stated, there are obviously a number of ways they can infer a console is modded. All they need to detect is that you've been fiddling around in the case, as that's a violation of the TOS.
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 05:22 PM)
would say you got banned because your gamer tag is right there, and you are one of the people trying to help stop this occuring.
however another customer in nz just rang me and said they got banned, im calling them back now for more details.
Nothing to do with my tag. I've been on these boards for, um, 7 years now. If they did that I'd have been banned a long time ago... and why not an account ban?
I put the possibility of this "data mining" nonsense as a cause of bans to about 0.0005%
One more thing, people: You will only know you are banned when you try and join a game "Live". If you want to check, you'll need to try and connect to play a game live, you won't be able to tell by looking at the console.
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
waw
smack down 2010
fabel 2
wolfenstien
silent hill
he has never played any games downloaded, but he admited to me then that he was downloading modernwarfare 2 from PBay. he said it was the most seeded torrent and did not get to test it becuase it was not downloaded by the time he was banned. he has a copy on pre order but was desperate to play
all his games mentioned above where ripped (XBC) from his own copys with a kreon drive and verified with abg360
his firmware version was 1.6 liteon 74
says it is possible that m$ has seen his ip address downloading the game and has banned him becuase of this.
I do not think abg is in bed with m$ and dont think its fair to say this, they really do try to help, what is very possible however is there is allot of corrupt entries in the abg data base, and also possible m$ has uploaded some.
on another note, is every security sector different on the games? if so wouldn't it be weird that allot of people have the same SS for there disks as got copy with inserted SS? if there is only one true ss for each disk then maybe all the entries need to be deleted from abg server and repalced with good rips from a couple of good sourses only. none of this upload your own business.
Post by: Space-Frog on November 05, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
help please
This post has been edited by Space-Frog: Nov 5 2009, 10:57 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 05, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 09:46 PM)
One more thing, people: You will only know you are banned when you try and join a game "Live". If you want to check, you'll need to try and connect to play a game live, you won't be able to tell by looking at the console.
What do you mean?
Why don't you get banned while connected to Live & sitting on the dashboard?
Or playing a single player game while connected to Live.
Post by: telo{+} on November 05, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 10:46 PM)
One more thing, people: You will only know you are banned when you try and join a game "Live". If you want to check, you'll need to try and connect to play a game live, you won't be able to tell by looking at the console.
Play a game? There is a perfectly clear message saying YOU ARE BANNED when you try and join Live. I saw a couple people saying they could send messages and join Live but couldn't get in a game at all. Is there two types of bans or does the ban not hit the dashboard right away?
QUOTE
you won't be able to tell by looking at the console.
LOL
Post by: reddragon105 on November 05, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
'A media update is required to play this content. To get the update sign into Xbox LIVEe and play the content again.
Status code: 51-C00DF236'
Obviously I already have the media update as I have played DivX files on this console before. However some people on this thread have said that being banned hasn't affected their console's ability to play back DivX files. So I googled the error message and found the following information -
After downloading the optional media update you are only able to use it on the first console you use it on without being online. If you log in with your gamertag on a different console you need to be signed into Xbox Live in order to play DivX files. There is a solution to this - you can transfer your DivX license to a different console. You need to do this first on the Xbox website, then sign in on your console to download the license. The webpage to do this is here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemus...censemigration/
So I'm guessing that, for the people who can still play DivX files on their banned consoles, that is the first console that they used the optional media update on. For me it isn't - I replaced my Premium console with an Elite in July and didn't know about this license migration thing. So I can't play DivX files on my banned Elite because it's not the first console I played DivX files on. And obviously the license migration option can't solve my problem as now I can't get the console online to get the license. Might be useful information for anyone else though.
Post by: NaughtyTester on November 05, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(NaughtyTester @ Nov 5 2009, 03:41 PM)
Banned, got replacement console from MS in yesterday flashed right out of the shipping box lite-on (DG16D2S-09C) with ixterm 1.6, tested with a 1 backup, no hard drive on it. Put back together put hard drive on went to sign in had to update. Updated went to sign into live againe for the second time BANNED played 1 games not even sign into gamer tag becase no hard drive!
Hard drive only had game saves and DLC on it NO installed games, played really releases, used ABGX some times, No bootdisk for wave 4, all done with old box, was out of warrntey and 3 red light ever 5 days
got tried of it. The one I sent in I found at a pawn shop for 20$
Flash box with power from console av was unpluged, Falcon is the board
WTF
Consoles can't check the firmware my a@$.
WTF
Hooked my old 3 red light POS backup and signed into live
Post by: devilstrider on November 05, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Mozbius @ Nov 5 2009, 03:22 PM)
Ok finally got banned after almost 2 years and several ban waves.
Drive: Samsung ms28
Fw: 1.61
Flash tool: iPrep (version used at the time to flash iXtrem 1.5 through VCC method)
Mboard : Asus P6T Deluxe V2 + i7
Last played game: Tekken 6 (2 days ago)
Game played before: Brutal Legend
Info:
*Ban occured only after playing Tekken6 and turning off the xbox360
*Drive was already at iXtreem 1.61 and played Brutal Legend before trying Tekken 6 for wave 4 testing
*On starting up the xbox through the eject button the drive woul not open right away and ring of light blinking order appeared kind of strange, several press of the eject button was required to have the drive react accordingly.
*Borderlands, ODST, Dirt2 , Modern war fare 2 and Forza3 haven't touch my Drive yet
UPDATE:
*Interestingly enough now I get Random E64 & E65 errors when I start the xbox 360 at other times the xbox will start ok perhaps the whole was simply aging....
*The game played before Brutal Legend was Batman Arkham
*I can't be quite sure about it but its possible that I've played Brutal before the release date but then the xbox didn't get banned only after 2-3 weeks after.
Conclusion: It could the flashing process that went wrong, Tekken6 that was wrong or perhaps Brutal Legend but I kind of doubt it... but then again those hints that may taken with a grain of salt...
Anyways I was a gold member for the second year and barely played live anyway so it's not much of a lost especially considering that Microsoft is about to crank up Gold membership fee... Time for me to undust my HOME interfaced, Multimedia & Blueray player Aka Ps3. Lol!
For one MS is not raising the LIVE price. Man you cats believe everything. I don't think the games got you. MS knows something.
Post by: rdank on November 05, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
QUOTE(K1LLERHORNET @ Nov 5 2009, 05:52 PM)
What do you mean?
Why don't you get banned while connected to Live & sitting on the dashboard?
Or playing a single player game while connected to Live.
I popped on, saw Netflix and ad boxes, profile connected to Live.
When I went into a Live enabled game, and tried to start a Live multiplayer game, it said I had to log in. Upon returning to the dash, I was logged out, and attempts to log in gave me the ban message.
You won't know you are banned until you actually try and play a game in Live.
The game I tried was an Arcade game, too... no drive used, not that it matters. I was probably tagged by whatever method was used to see I opened my console a long time ago. Microsoft rolls out the bans over time for a reason, they already know who's getting banned well before they actually do it.
This post has been edited by BenJeremy: Nov 5 2009, 11:05 PM
Post by: armyof1ne on November 05, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 01:55 PM)
Crap. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
Sorry to hear that.... my six are still running and not banned... I just cant believe that they effed the dashboard like this to do invasive checks.... I smell a class action lawsuit-a-brewin.
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 03:01 PM)
I popped on, saw Netflix and ad boxes, profile connected to Live.
When I went into a Live enabled game, and tried to start a Live multiplayer game, it said I had to log in. Upon returning to the dash, I was logged out, and attempts to log in gave me the ban message.
You won't know you are banned until you actually try and play a game in Live.
The game I tried was an Arcade game, too... no drive used, not that it matters. I was probably tagged by whatever method was used to see I opened my console a long time ago. Microsoft rolls out the bans over time for a reason, they already know who's getting banned well before they actually do it.
I agree... THat a form of marking system has been done...... Call it a "laser guided ban hammer" if you will...
Post by: stikboy on November 05, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
have had my xbox flashed (liteon 1.6 iextreme) i burn all my games myself, run them all through abgx and burn to a verbatim disc and i've never played a game early and i'm in scotland.
2 of my other mates with the exact same set up as above have also been banned today.
i've recently been playing borderlands and forza 3 both installed to hd.
i've now noticed that the install to hd function is gone and all my games run from disc now instead of the hd.
put my official hd onto my arcade (unmodded) and my profile does not show up, is this also a gamertag ban for me?
boo hoo hoo
Post by: jdsony on November 05, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Nov 5 2009, 08:27 PM)
Yes, you can, if you have the power to do so. Who is there to stop you?
At least 95% of people with unmodded consoles don't know what C4E means, or iXtreme, ABGX, even Wave4 or any number of scene or scene release URLs.
A simple scan for these keywords, an IP match, and you're banned. It's not difficult, at all. As for non-M$ companies, they get a fee and a/or nice cosy relationship with M$, one of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world. They have nothing to lose, only something to gain.
Sure, M$ might accidentally ban a few people that have unmodded boxen, but a)that would be a minute percentage because only modders ever use those keywords; and b)thats why legit consumers can appeal the ban and have it revoked. Modders wouldn't appeal.
Overall success rate = 99%. And 20 pages full of already disproven methods of what gets you banned and what doesn't from modders scratching their heads.
My theory is better than anyone else's in this thread. If you disagree, post a better theory please.
This is the biggest piece of BS I've read in 25 years. They cannot and would not ban based on hear-say. MS are absolutely certain they are banning the right people. Someone who writes about about hacking and actually does it are two different things and the law would not allow MS to ban based on the former.
Post by: clouduz on November 05, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 04:01 PM)
I popped on, saw Netflix and ad boxes, profile connected to Live.
When I went into a Live enabled game, and tried to start a Live multiplayer game, it said I had to log in. Upon returning to the dash, I was logged out, and attempts to log in gave me the ban message.
You won't know you are banned until you actually try and play a game in Live.
The game I tried was an Arcade game, too... no drive used, not that it matters. I was probably tagged by whatever method was used to see I opened my console a long time ago. Microsoft rolls out the bans over time for a reason, they already know who's getting banned well before they actually do it.
So basically your saying even though I can get on LiveI might be banned? And not know until i try to play a game online? lol if that's so works for me b/c I don't play online only use live for the occasional free downloads. Think i'll just stay off live for a while don't want to lose the ability to install games.
For those recently banned, you can't play games you already installed or you just can't install anymore games?
Post by: BoNg420 on November 05, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(devilstrider @ Nov 5 2009, 04:58 PM)
For one MS is not raising the LIVE price. Man you cats believe everything. I don't think the games got you. MS knows something.
They responded to that rumor saying, they aren't raising the prices within the next few months or anything, so that says it could happen in the future.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(clouduz @ Nov 5 2009, 06:23 PM)
So basically your saying even though I can get on LiveI might be banned? And not know until i try to play a game online? lol if that's so works for me b/c I don't play online only use live for the occasional free downloads. Think i'll just stay off live for a while don't want to lose the ability to install games.
For those recently banned, you can't play games you already installed or you just can't install anymore games?
I hadn't tried playing any Netflix movies, but as I stated, since I hooked everything up via HDMI, through a switch (Monoprice 4x switch with audio breakout), Netflix only gives a black screen for video - though audio works fine and the Xbox 360 shows "HDCP"-enabled link when hooked through the switch.
I also didn't try and download anything, but I was able to browse selections.
Post by: somenutter on November 05, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: [email protected] on November 05, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
QUOTE(jdsony @ Nov 6 2009, 12:12 AM)
This is the biggest piece of BS I've read in 25 years. They cannot and would not ban based on hear-say. MS are absolutely certain they are banning the right people. Someone who writes about about hacking and actually does it are two different things and the law would not allow MS to ban based on the former.
I take it you haven't been on the official xbox live forums? They are full of people claiming to be banned for no reason and a lot of them are willing to prove this by sending console in. Also I have seen a few bans removed there due to wrongly banning a console. If you look at the account suspension topics that will prove to you that they do ban on hear-say, as there are many people who have received suspensions / bans for nothing and the mods have accepted this and unbanned them.
Post by: Reaper527 on November 05, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 03:00 PM)
I just got banned and I never used abgx to patch any of my games and I rip my own so......
this is very worrysome. at first i was convinced that there was some bad release that people had played, or it was related to patching wave 3 games as 2 or wave 4 games as 2, or something of that nature, but it appears that this isn't the case.
i wonder if there is some bug that is in our process, similar to the 359 degree angle bug that was present prior to ix1.4 (whether that bug be in the ripping process, the burning process, the firmware itself, i'm not even going to speculate, as those technical details are WAY over my head). no matter how hard it is for us to see a pattern right now, i refuse to believe that the bannings are random.
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 5 2009, 11:37 PM
Post by: tactical on November 05, 2009, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 01:26 PM)
I hadn't tried playing any Netflix movies, but as I stated, since I hooked everything up via HDMI, through a switch (Monoprice 4x switch with audio breakout), Netflix only gives a black screen for video - though audio works fine and the Xbox 360 shows "HDCP"-enabled link when hooked through the switch.
I also didn't try and download anything, but I was able to browse selections.
BenJeremy!
Sorry to hear you got banned, it's guys like you who have been around here forever and get banned that runs a shiver down the spines of the rest of us.
The first 25 pages most people were reporting they were not banned, but the last 25 pages are mostly about people being banned.
I guess we will have to wait a few weeks and see what the PRO's are able to come up with. And I don't think they should tell us, just do whatever they need to do to "fix" it for us. Since MS is quiet about what they are doing, the PRO's here have to do the same. Most of us are just running our mouth, and letting out some steam, but the PRO's are busy gathering data using PRO equipment.
But if the BIG GUY (like BenJeremy) gets it , then the rest of us have to sit up and take notice.
peace
Post by: BottleB on November 05, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 6 2009, 12:04 AM)
BenJeremy!
Sorry to hear you got banned, it's guys like you who have been around here forever and get banned that runs a shiver down the spines of the rest of us.
The first 25 pages most people were reporting they were not banned, but the last 25 pages are mostly about people being banned.
I guess we will have to wait a few weeks and see what the PRO's are able to come up with. And I don't think they should tell us, just do whatever they need to do to "fix" it for us. Since MS is quiet about what they are doing, the PRO's here have to do the same. Most of us are just running our mouth, and letting out some steam, but the PRO's are busy gathering data using PRO equipment.
But if the BIG GUY (like BenJeremy) gets it , then the rest of us have to sit up and take notice.
peace
Pro's
Post by: the soul poet on November 05, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 5 2009, 02:36 PM)
I am completely convinced it is ABGX that is the culprit here.
Last week I ripped my own copy of the new Grand Theft Auto game. When I went to verify with ABGX the program told me that it did not contain any of their verified security files and wanted to download and apply THEIR security files. I rip the game again from my retail game disk and again ABGX told me that I need to download and patch with THEIR verified game.
I have no doubt had I done what ABGX wanted I would have gotten banned. Since I didn't I have use my backup of my own retail game that abgx said is not valid without being banned.
This leads me to believe that some of the games in the ABGX database is not in fact verified or there is different RETAIL versions of the same game.
If you do what you are supposed to do and rip your own games NEVER patch them with ABGX.
That is exactly the point of the database, there are several different pressings of the same game. the DMI is usually different depending on where the disc manufacturing took place. The SS is often same or similar and PFI data is the same. If the game data matches yours it will try correct with KNOWN stealth information.
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: stikboy on November 05, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
i can't play any games that have been installed on my offical hard drive, have to play them direct from disc and i can't install any game onto the hard drive
Post by: the soul poet on November 05, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 5 2009, 04:18 PM)
Does every copy really have its own SS? wouldnt that make a shitload of SS's for ms to store and challenge with?
Each rip has it's own SS but the game has a RAW SS which is whats used in the stealth info which is the same on the pressing you have you can have multiple pressings with the same RAW ss but different DMI info.
Post by: Ree1981 on November 05, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
Wrong? Robert Bowling seems to think so.
Colin: Are you taking down names as you see people not authorized to play the game for future action? Piracy requires punishment.
Robert: theyre listed on the leaderboards. Logging online with a modded Xbox is like sewing a big red scarlet letter on yourself.
Post by: the soul poet on November 05, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(telo{+} @ Nov 5 2009, 06:02 PM)
Banned this morning, Samsung, never played early, always played 100% perfect rips.
If you are holding out on playing MW2, I suggest you get in and play some, they can tell and you will most likely be banned anyhow.
How do you know it was a perfect rip? How do you know your backup was a perfect backup (file vs disc).
Post by: vumpler on November 05, 2009, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 5 2009, 05:34 PM)
How do you know it was a perfect rip? How do you know your backup was a perfect backup (file vs disc).
The most accurate way we know HOW to tell.
1. ABGX the iso after you dowload.
2. Burn with whatever software (imgburn is used by most of these theoretical moders)
3. Verify the burn in the burning software
4. Verify the burned copy in ABGX
5. Play
Post by: Space-Frog on November 05, 2009, 04:42:00 PM
This post has been edited by Space-Frog: Nov 6 2009, 12:44 AM
Post by: 3-ranger on November 05, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Space-Frog @ Nov 6 2009, 12:42 AM)
i only used to play on xbl with original games from stores but i have modded xbox, you think i have a ban to? used to play backup offline never had my internet cable on at the time and used diferent offline gamertag to.
Did you checked your warranty status on
http://support.xbox....spx?step=repair
?
When its green and shows you the Warranty Status your box must be ok.
Post by: azuziel on November 05, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Ree1981 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:31 PM)
So, does this mean they can detect people who play modded games or what? I thought the theory was that they couldn't as long as you don't play games before the release date and make sure the game is properly patched and whatnot?
Wrong? Robert Bowling seems to think so.
Colin: Are you taking down names as you see people not authorized to play the game for future action? Piracy requires punishment.
Robert: theyre listed on the leaderboards. Logging online with a modded Xbox is like sewing a big red scarlet letter on yourself.
Where did you get this? Is it a verified source?
Post by: the soul poet on November 05, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(vumpler @ Nov 5 2009, 11:40 PM)
The most accurate way we know HOW to tell.
1. ABGX the iso after you dowload.
2. Burn with whatever software (imgburn is used by most of these theoretical moders)
3. Verify the burn in the burning software
4. Verify the burned copy in ABGX
5. Play
I always verify with DVDinfo Pro.
I would also like to know what Media people use, I know some cheap media generally doesn't work as well, also are people using book-type of DVD-Rom or leaving standard?
Post by: seven2099 on November 05, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(3-ranger @ Nov 5 2009, 06:47 PM)
Did you checked your warranty status on
http://support.xbox....spx?step=repair
?
When its green and shows you the Warranty Status your box must be ok.
is this a legitimate method of checking, i mean, if you know your console should technically be under warranty? So if its banned, automatically it changes to out of warranty? or what..? please explain a bit more man because this might be the safest method to test, for those of us who haven't yet plugged in our consoles to find out if we're banned.
Have you tried this? what info do you have on the subject, that could suggest us trying it cuz i'm interested in trying it and i'm sure many others are truly interested in finding out if this is a possible method.
Post by: shage on November 05, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: 3-ranger on November 05, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
I have read about it here
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=695271
But my box is flashed last week and i have played last saturday and sunday. Only 4 Games. Perhaps they have not scanned me
for this moment my box is not banned but tomorrow? I am unsure.....
Post by: catman25 on November 05, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: Asphixiate on November 05, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(catman25 @ Nov 6 2009, 01:30 AM)
i honestly think they have a report system / I bet they have people scouring the leaderboards and some how hacked people are showing red flags . Is there any proof people that are hacked that play all the time on live are banned more or atleast now ? Im not banned but i dont play multiplayer games on live , I have the live account for netflix! ,, 2 yrs ago all i did was play multiplayer on live and was banned 3 times. Ive read a few times ! " we are reviewing the leader boards and we see you " just a thought . Is there any one else that dont play multi that has been banned ?
wow...if I keep reading I may go full retard.....the ideas are preposterous around here....not just yours
This post has been edited by Asphixiate: Nov 6 2009, 01:37 AM
Post by: boss900 on November 05, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
1 Elite - Lite-on - Not Banned - never played games early, no MW2, all verified ABGX rips.
1 Pro - Benq - Banned tonight.
Played first MW2 release early - then RROD release - had account banned for forza early play - created new account. Have played non-verified ABGX rips.
This post has been edited by boss900: Nov 6 2009, 01:38 AM
Post by: cabose369 on November 05, 2009, 05:38:00 PM
Got my account recovered for my unmodded box.
This blows!!
Post by: RuStY9 on November 05, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: kakaboy on November 05, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
I guess unless the way we go about hacking the 360 changes there will be the inevitable ban hammer hanging over our heads
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 03:55 PM)
Crap.
Just tried to log into a game on Live... banned.
Ah well.
I have no clue what the trigger is. I'd still say it has nothing to do with the firmware. The latest game that's been run in the system was Batman Arkham... no Wave 4. Running Ixtreme 1.6 on a Lite-On.
I did, however, power it up with an optical drive with a bad flash (firmware flash did not take). So that theory is still on the table.
For those not banned, be sure you try to actually log into a game through Live. The dash won't show you the ban until you do.
Well, Netflix became useless on the console when I switched over to HDMI (My HDMI switch is HDCP-complient, but Netflix won't show video when played through the switch - but works fine directly connected to the TV). We never really do anything on Live, anyway, since my teenager got disinterested in Halo battles.
I feel for you man.
Like I said I been on Live since day 1 of the mods and could only watch time after time as people I know got banned over the years. I kept asking myself how am I being able to get away with this for so long.
Then I turned it on a few hours ago and seen the banned message pop up. I thought about it for a few and said to myself ( so this is what it feels like to get banned )
Post by: catman25 on November 05, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: DMagic1 on November 05, 2009, 06:10:00 PM
Never played a game early and all games checked with abgx(use less?) with a few patched with it. Has 1.6 firmware with sammy.
This is his second banned 360, the first was banned in the very first wave years ago and never played games early or mod games.
The way I see it you're wasting your time trying to avoid the banning. Obviously they can still tell even with the newest firmware and with games patched/burned properly. Once you're logged its just a matter of when you're next in line. Enjoy not being banned while you can.
This post has been edited by DMagic1: Nov 6 2009, 02:12 AM
Post by: Zod5000 on November 05, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(DMagic1 @ Nov 5 2009, 06:10 PM)
Well my friend was banned today or yesterday. He checked on Tuesday and wasnt banned.
Never played a game early and all games checked with abgx(use less?) with a few patched with it. Has 1.6 firmware with sammy.
This is his second banned 360, the first was banned in the very first wave years ago and never played games early or mod games.
The way I see it you're wasting your time trying to avoid the banning. Once you're logged its just a matter of when you're next in line. Enjoy not being banned while you can.
unless its a new disc based detection, in which people who stick to offline might still survive on live. it'll be interesting to see what the new ban criteria is once the dust settles.
Post by: Ranger72 on November 05, 2009, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 03:06 PM)
I'm not going to claim that abgx is the only culprit, as with ALL of the ban waves, Microsoft clearly has several methods they use to find hacked consoles.
Ever power cycle a console with the optical drive unplugged from it? What do you use to rip your games? What firmware? Drive model? Nobody else had access to the console?
Always use the 360 Xtractor to power the drive.
I use Kreon drive with Schtrom360Xtract.
IX 1.6 Liteon 8xxx (I never keep a console for more than 2 months. This one was just modded 2 weeks ago)
Only me. My daughter is all grown up out of the house and my wife does not play games.
I do have a modded 250GB HDD in it though.
I just picked up 2 new consoles. Here is what my plan is but who knows how long it will take to get to its completion.
I am going to leave one unmodded and use my modded 250gb hdd with it. I will only use my retail games since it will be left unmodded.
I was able to find one arcade that can still be modded. I am going to mod it and only play retail games and no backups.
If any one gets banned I will know what the cause was. Only problem is that I have no idea how long it will take. lol
Post by: Thyatis on November 05, 2009, 06:14:00 PM
http://www.walmart.c...uct_id=13044371
Post by: canisay on November 05, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: DMagic1 on November 05, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Thyatis @ Nov 5 2009, 06:14 PM)
this weekend get a xbox 360 arcade from walmart for $99 (you pay $199 and get a gift card for $100)
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?...uct_id=13044371
Don't tell everyone, thats where my friend is getting his next one from. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Just kidding.
Post by: AnditsU on November 05, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(jean-dread @ Nov 5 2009, 03:58 PM)
I'm from Brazil, sorry about my engRish
here don't exist LIVE Service, people use fake address, normally USA
a LOT Bans!
My Jasper is on LIVE yet...
June/09
LiteOn iX 1.6
No one Wave4
No one Pre-Release...
here we say to this situation: Run to Hill!
Hi man, im from Israel.
Same here too, there is no official live service.
also people are using fake address, USA, or UK.
as same as in your country, Games costs like SHIT!
no really, its 430 Shekels for MW 6.
its like more then 100$ for a stupid game!
its very annoying that M$ dose not recognize some countries officially.
games prices are outrages, and when are only option is piracy-we getting are ass banned, not only for live account! as for now the HDD is also at risk.
man, that is suck ass.
i wonder if so called if "Major Nelosn", likes to pay 100$ per one freaking game!
Post by: markovts on November 05, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: kneehighspy on November 05, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 6 2009, 12:15 AM)
is this a legitimate method of checking, i mean, if you know your console should technically be under warranty? So if its banned, automatically it changes to out of warranty? or what..? please explain a bit more man because this might be the safest method to test, for those of us who haven't yet plugged in our consoles to find out if we're banned.
Have you tried this? what info do you have on the subject, that could suggest us trying it cuz i'm interested in trying it and i'm sure many others are truly interested in finding out if this is a possible method.
i can check the status of my console (in warranty), but when i try to initiate a repair, it tells me that the service is unavailable and try again later. box still shows in warranty but can't initiate a repair, so i assume it's flagged to be banned, i've yet to connect and confirm the ban though.
some have said that their unbanned boxes will allow them to completely submit a claim ticket, they just don't finish the ticket. i can't remember if they said their boxes were in warranty or not, after almost 200 pages of reading, the mind falters. i assume it works either way (warranty or not).
my console goes out of warranty the end of january 2010, i'll try again and see if i can submit a ticket then. i'm in no hurry for my lashing and will do without live to keep my hdd install feature.
but this is the url left after trying to submit my failed console:
http://support.xbox....s.aspx?id=54420
Post by: kakaboy on November 05, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 6 2009, 12:14 PM)
Always use the 360 Xtractor to power the drive.
I use Kreon drive with Schtrom360Xtract.
IX 1.6 Liteon 8xxx (I never keep a console for more than 2 months. This one was just modded 2 weeks ago)
Only me. My daughter is all grown up out of the house and my wife does not play games.
I do have a modded 250GB HDD in it though.
I just picked up 2 new consoles. Here is what my plan is but who knows how long it will take to get to its completion.
I am going to leave one unmodded and use my modded 250gb hdd with it. I will only use my retail games since it will be left unmodded.
I was able to find one arcade that can still be modded. I am going to mod it and only play retail games and no backups.
If any one gets banned I will know what the cause was. Only problem is that I have no idea how long it will take. lol
Thats a good scientific way to go about it . Will be interested in your results ...
Post by: kneehighspy on November 05, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 08:03 PM)
Well, I could just ask you to defer to my user number, moderator status, and reputation, but that would be petty of me, heh heh.
The reality is that in order to bypass firmguard, you have to cycle power. The Xbox 360 console is not designed to do this. The test/debug mode that the optical drive makers kept in their firmware, which enables us to read the firmware (well, not any longer, since drives made from August on) is designed for a QA /refurb department, with human intervention and specialized equipment. There are even reasons only certain chipsets work with this. The console hardware simply is not equipped to get around Firmguard. The whole "feature" was intended to defeat anybody from reading the drive once flashed (it just had lots of holes that could be exploited with a PC, the right chipset, and human intervention).
Beyond all that, people like C4Eva know the firmware inside and out... and they have tools to monitor traffic across the SATA connection. In other words, they know EXACTLY what is possible for the console to query to the drive, and what the responses should be. **EVEN IF** Microsoft started using a different query from the ones they've used in the past, those bases have already been covered (even so, we'd have heard about it on the news page - every dash update gets scrutinized by C4Eva and probably a hundred others in the scene).
heh, tend to agree with you benjeremy, i've been here a long time too (not a mod though as yourself) and seen alot, i personally don't think the real reasons will ever be determined, the way that microsoft staggers the banning, it's tough to really tell whether it's improper rips or what.
everyone should just accept it as natural cause, people that get banned are those that have a system modified in some sort of manner.
This post has been edited by kneehighspy: Nov 6 2009, 02:54 AM
Post by: TLM on November 05, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
1.51 firmware on a Samsung drive - it's the ORIGINAL XBOX 360 from the first year they had them out there.
I've ALWAYS been super carful - don't usually play any new games for about 3-6 months, so I never have been caught playing a game early. Last few weeks, only games played were Rock Band 2 (which is original), Need for Speed Carbon, COD5 - that's it. All of these are much older games (wave 3 and earlier). I alway run through abxg360 first.
No idea how I got banned - as I've always grabbed legit (no p2p) releases, always stealthed & patched, and recently - have NOT played anything with wave4. Funny thing - I was running 1.4.x firmware up until about a month ago when I finally got around to upgrading to 1.51 (then a week later 1.6 came out). But I don't play wave4 games yet - so I wasn't rushing to upgrade. I'm wondering if I had stayed at 1.4x if I would have been banned - or if maybe the 1.51 somehow is trackable now.
Dunno... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
QUOTE(markovts @ Nov 5 2009, 09:29 PM)
about the bans - has no-one ever though Microsoft can just remotely check the firmware on the drive, and if it's a non-standard firmware build, ban it? maybe i'm looking far too close at the basics here but there doesn't seem to be any pattern as to who what why or where people are getting banned.
CRAP! You've figured it out!! All they had to do was read the drive firmware!
Seriously, though, I've already discussed this point. Microsoft forced it's vendors to put in something called "Firmguard" - a feature that was supposed to make it IMPOSSIBLE to read the contents of the drive (in the console).
It is only because those same vendors couldn't stand to part with some form of access to the firmware, that hackers were able to coax the drives to give up their contents using a VIA chipset and some manual intervention (cycling power, tray positions, etc...). Getting the drive in this special debug state is only possible on a PC, Microsoft has NO WAY of reading the firmware directly.
Indirectly, however, there are things they can do. With current iXtreme firmwares, there shouldn't be any tells, except for games that have incorrect (but valid) special sectors. They also probably have one or more ways to tell if we've opened our consoles while in the process of modding the systems - the one big example I can think of is powering up with the optical drive disconnected, then reconnecting the drive and powering back up. An official repair facility would scrub this sort of information from the onboard memory, but the average user wouldn't be able to do this.
All that said, it most certainly isn't a single method being employed against modders; it's a combination of poison pills (last year), bad rips, and some other techniques we haven't determined yet.
The detection does not occur just before the ban. My own ban happened when there was no game disc inserted... I attempted to play an Xbox Live Arcade game. There is nothing preventing Microsoft from determining your system is modded (by whatever means), noting it in memory, and passing the info along to their servers to be flagged for a ban at some point in the future. It is even possible this latest ban wave is even hitting people who played poison pills from last year (so called "pre-release" Saints Row 2 and Fallout 3), but were purposely left off the ban wave to add more FUD and confuse the scene.
At any rate, we can rule out directly querying the firmware. Firmguard makes that an impractical effort.
Post by: CrakkedOut on November 05, 2009, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE
An official repair facility would scrub this sort of information from the onboard memory, but the average user wouldn't be able to do this.
How come someone in the scene can't get the onboard info?
Post by: DuBob4432 on November 05, 2009, 07:13:00 PM
QUOTE(HaredX @ Nov 5 2009, 01:13 AM)
To those claiming that Microsoft can detect the firmware and are doing a random lottery to ban people, how do you know this? Up until this point it has been determined that Microsoft could only detect bad rips, so what information now tells you that they can detect the firmware? Sure people that are banned CLAIM that they have never played a bad rip, but can we just take their word for it?
i have said this for quite some time. i base it on the fact that i know programmers that make hardware and the software to go along w/ it - the amount of control is nearly infinite at the level they are programming.
i am not talking about languages like c or vb or java, but assembly - making the hardware, knowing all of its specs, making the circuits for it all to work correctly, etc.
plus the fact that c4eva has stated that ms is not looking for anything new in the logs - no new challenge/response request so if ms has the same data and are actively and accurately banning modded consoles can you come to another conclusion?
when you start to learn about circuit design and how deep it all goes, it wouldn't be hard at all for ms to check this, if i am wrong i would be incredibly surprised. we are talking a small amount of info ms needs - a few bits of info, not much at all. remember, ms has access at the hardware level.
Post by: leo5150 on November 05, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
This post has been edited by leo5150: Nov 6 2009, 03:21 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
QUOTE(CrakkedOut @ Nov 5 2009, 10:08 PM)
How come someone in the scene can't get the onboard info?
You do understand what it takes to do this, right? In the context of what I stated, the point is still made, anyway.
Post by: kakaboy on November 05, 2009, 07:25:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 6 2009, 12:59 PM)
CRAP! You've figured it out!! All they had to do was read the drive firmware!
Seriously, though, I've already discussed this point. Microsoft forced it's vendors to put in something called "Firmguard" - a feature that was supposed to make it IMPOSSIBLE to read the contents of the drive (in the console).
It is only because those same vendors couldn't stand to part with some form of access to the firmware, that hackers were able to coax the drives to give up their contents using a VIA chipset and some manual intervention (cycling power, tray positions, etc...). Getting the drive in this special debug state is only possible on a PC, Microsoft has NO WAY of reading the firmware directly.
Indirectly, however, there are things they can do. With current iXtreme firmwares, there shouldn't be any tells, except for games that have incorrect (but valid) special sectors. They also probably have one or more ways to tell if we've opened our consoles while in the process of modding the systems - the one big example I can think of is powering up with the optical drive disconnected, then reconnecting the drive and powering back up. An official repair facility would scrub this sort of information from the onboard memory, but the average user wouldn't be able to do this.
All that said, it most certainly isn't a single method being employed against modders; it's a combination of poison pills (last year), bad rips, and some other techniques we haven't determined yet.
The detection does not occur just before the ban. My own ban happened when there was no game disc inserted... I attempted to play an Xbox Live Arcade game. There is nothing preventing Microsoft from determining your system is modded (by whatever means), noting it in memory, and passing the info along to their servers to be flagged for a ban at some point in the future. It is even possible this latest ban wave is even hitting people who played poison pills from last year (so called "pre-release" Saints Row 2 and Fallout 3), but were purposely left off the ban wave to add more FUD and confuse the scene.
At any rate, we can rule out directly querying the firmware. Firmguard makes that an impractical effort.
This is what I always thought , how do they get our drives into debug mode via internet connection only ?
If they did have a way im sure that sending out updated firmware via updates to all drives would be a standard and by far better practice to control drive hacking .
Post by: CrakkedOut on November 05, 2009, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 10:22 PM)
You do understand what it takes to do this, right? In the context of what I stated, the point is still made, anyway.
Nope, hence why I asked.
QUOTE(DuBob4432 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:13 PM)
when you start to learn about circuit design and how deep it all goes, it wouldn't be hard at all for ms to check this, if i am wrong i would be incredibly surprised. we are talking a small amount of info ms needs - a few bits of info, not much at all. remember, ms has access at the hardware level.
Very true. Hell if they can detect the higher voltage in a Fan Mod and ban you then getting info from the dvd drive isn't anything hard for them to do.
Post by: Chan163 on November 05, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
1. I read that the 360 queries the drive and the drive returns some values in a special timing after reading from the original disc. Is this right?
2. Do all models of the drives respond the same way or would it be possible to determine the kind of drive only by differences in the answers from an original disc?
3. Dumping an original disc will also dump the responses from the drive to the original into the ISO, which will be read by the ixtreme firmware an presented to the 360 as if they were read from the original itself, right?
Can someone answer my questions 100% accurate? Tell me if I'm totally off here... but I have a suspicion if my questions are all answered with yes.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
QUOTE(CrakkedOut @ Nov 5 2009, 10:29 PM)
Nope, hence why I asked.
Well, for starters you have to install a JTAG hack and mod chip:
Freeboot instructions
Oh, and not on the newer boards... only on Falcons and Xenons (two of the three oldest motherboard designs), which probably precludes most fo the people getting banned in this wave.
Once you do that, you need to know what to look for. If you are lucky, the data hasn't been set, but then what? Track all the changes? The problem then becomes one of scale and a vast amount of unknown information.
Assuming we could narrow the location in memory down to a small area, what then? You'll never see it actually access the memory; the best one could do is boot with an alternative (exploitable) kernel and record the contents, try to boot without the drive plugged in using the latest firmware/kernel, reboot with an alternative (exploitable) kernel and check it again. Then what? Erasing the wrong thing could be just as bad a give away as not erasing it.
It's a long, painful process, that requires extensive modification, and quite a bit of luck. Executing the required tests, and analyzing the results are a bit more effort than some hackers are willing to do (the efforts to crack the console are led by hackers who aren't interested in your abilty to run "backups" on Live).
Post by: sofa king dumb on November 05, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:50 PM)
Wonder if game exchange stores like gamestop check to see if consoles are banned from live before they take them back. I know I would be pissed if I bought one from there and then went home and it was banned, but they would probably give you your money back.
i can comfirm that they do not
Post by: Zod5000 on November 05, 2009, 07:52:00 PM
That and the firmguard makes me think its not the firmware, or i'd be flagged when I used live without a disc in the tray.
So there probably detecting backups. Maybe a new way, maybe using an old way in a new method. I keep thinking the jitter check implemented in one of the newer ixtreme versions could be abused. Microsoft knows the firmware will send back an incorrect result if the jitter is too high, so maybe they could design something on newer discs to send back a high jitter response at a certain point. The firmware would respond incorrectly.. ban!
It'd explain why offliner's aren't getting banned, but so many people using perfectly made backups are?
Are it could be something even more clever from microsoft, but I still think its disc based.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Chan163 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:37 PM)
I have some quetsions about the drives, the ixtreme firmware and the burned discs.
1. I read that the 360 queries the drive and the drive returns some values in a special timing after reading from the original disc. Is this right?
2. Do all models of the drives respond the same way or would it be possible to determine the kind of drive only by differences in the answers from an original disc?
3. Dumping an original disc will also dump the responses from the drive to the original into the ISO, which will be read by the ixtreme firmware an presented to the 360 as if they were read from the original itself, right?
Can someone answer my questions 100% accurate? Tell me if I'm totally off here... but I have a suspicion if my questions are all answered with yes.
1 and 3, yes... as for 2, we would have heard if there were significant differences. The security features are read out by the console from a legitimate drive. In backup images, this information, all of the challenges that the drive can make, are collected and stored on the image file itself, and simply retrieved when queried on a hacked drive with the backup loaded ('emulating' the security features that aren't there on the disc)
Now, it's possible, for example, that the timing ALWAYS has a jitter, so Microsoft assumes if there is never jitter, it's probably a backup, but that is a terribly tricky assumption to make - one that has the possibility of causing a perfectly legitimate console to be banned.
That was why the "360 angle" bug was of a concern... until it was discovered that some unmodded drive did, actually, return 360 once and a while; but consistently? I believe 0 was pretty consistent, but perhaps 1 or 2 might not be, and enough for Microsoft to make the "too perfect" judgment about that timing and decide it's a fake response?
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 5 2009, 10:52 PM)
Still not banned. Never use backups while on live (whether playing the game or just operating the dashboard, i never have a backup in the drive when the ethernet cable is in place). Allthough i accidently left a backup in it about 6 months ago for a few minutes, other then that, I've been rock solid at not using backups. Then again other then Halo 3 I don't really play originals online either. I just use live to buy dlc or arcade games.
That and the firmguard makes me think its not the firmware, or i'd be flagged when I used live without a disc in the tray.
So there probably detecting backups. Maybe a new way, maybe using an old way in a new method. I keep thinking the jitter check implemented in one of the newer ixtreme versions could be abused. Microsoft knows the firmware will send back an incorrect result if the jitter is too high, so maybe they could design something on newer discs to send back a high jitter response at a certain point. The firmware would respond incorrectly.. ban!
It'd explain why offliner's aren't getting banned, but so many people using perfectly made backups are?
Are it could be something even more clever from microsoft, but I still think its disc based.
Well, as I've stated, "not getting banned" doesn't mean much. It could be Microsoft "knows" you have a hacked drive, but by the luck of the draw, you did not get banned THIS TIME. I can assure you, Microsoft is not using whatever methods they employ only during Live sessions. Not using backups during Live, but using them offline can still result in a ban.
My current console, banned, was modded only this summer, and not a single game was played on Live (previous console saw a LOT of Halo 3 action, from my Teenager, but not this one -oh, and niehter of my two previous consoles were ever banned).
Post by: Jonny Balla on November 05, 2009, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: fartist on November 05, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
My theory of how microsoft can detect your console is modded is with that new software they put into the boot sector after a recent update. This piece of software probably has the ability to read your drives firmware and send the information to microsoft. Chances are they probably knew my console was modded before the ban wave, but they only banned me and everyone else now to scare people away from getting there 360's modded.
Post by: 215XboxMods on November 05, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: Kevin Sydney on November 05, 2009, 08:29:00 PM
QUOTE(215XboxMods @ Nov 5 2009, 07:21 PM)
I got some good info for us, one of my boxes was offline since September 14th so I turned it on thinking that it was good nope BANNED and the only copied game played was COD:WAW, ABGX always used, LiteON iX1.6 not sure what to think thats 4 Liteon's for me.
Post full details, what motherboard, firmware history etc... as many details as you can.
Post by: Chan163 on November 05, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 6 2009, 04:01 AM)
1 and 3, yes... as for 2, we would have heard if there were significant differences. The security features are read out by the console from a legitimate drive. In backup images, this information, all of the challenges that the drive can make, are collected and stored on the image file itself, and simply retrieved when queried on a hacked drive with the backup loaded ('emulating' the security features that aren't there on the disc)
Now, it's possible, for example, that the timing ALWAYS has a jitter, so Microsoft assumes if there is never jitter, it's probably a backup, but that is a terribly tricky assumption to make - one that has the possibility of causing a perfectly legitimate console to be banned.
That was why the "360 angle" bug was of a concern... until it was discovered that some unmodded drive did, actually, return 360 once and a while; but consistently? I believe 0 was pretty consistent, but perhaps 1 or 2 might not be, and enough for Microsoft to make the "too perfect" judgment about that timing and decide it's a fake response?
If 2 was true too somehow, a possible explanation would be that M$ knows you have a Samsung drive but the responses are Benq-like...
For the jitter: Wouldn't it be possible to integrate a jitter-routine in the ixtreme firmware? One that sets the responses off a bit every now and then?
Post by: parat8t9 on November 05, 2009, 08:41:00 PM
QUOTE(ThaCrip @ Nov 5 2009, 04:48 AM)
get a XBox1 and put XBMC (XBox Media Center) on it for DivX/XviD support... it's THE BEST thing out there for that, hands down and it's MUCH cheaper than getting a PS3 just for DivX/XviD stuff.
you can stream XviD from PC to the XBox1 (if you got a router) with file shares etc etc. XBMC is the best for this stuff.
in fact, XviD (.avi) is the primary reason my original XBox1 console still see's a lot of use.
At least there still are some fans of good old xbox1.
BEST MOD EVER!!
I <3 My xbox so much more then my 360 (For media anyway)
Except it doesn't support 1080P
Oh well there always are those $200 nettops
http://lifehacker.co...er-on-the-cheap
Load up xbmc on a live disc and boom goes the dynamite!
P.S All drives got banned not just lite ons. There are tons of threads regarding the bannings. They appear to be random with no ryhme or reason.
I'm sure we have the best and the brightest working on it though as always mad props and loves to c4Eva, team jungleflash, team hyperx and all the rest that have given us the gift of ixtreme and jungleflash!!!!
Keep it coming M$
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Vejita @ Nov 5 2009, 08:29 PM)
Can you get banned if you dont login to Xbox Live but do the connection test instead?
YES.
Post by: 215XboxMods on November 05, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Kevin Sydney @ Nov 5 2009, 10:29 PM)
Post full details, what motherboard, firmware history etc... as many details as you can.
Sorry some people don't post any info we need a poll but any way,
4 Jaspers (Manf.7/08.1/09.1/09)
All had only iX1.6 installed
LiteOn 74850c
Every game checked with ABGX
I can get you more info if needed.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(fartist @ Nov 5 2009, 11:09 PM)
It seems the ban wave is also aimed at people in Canada. I was banned as of yesterday. I had a lite-on flashed with iXtreme 1.6, so they are banning people with lite-on drives aswell. I've been playing it safe till now avoiding playing games that haven't hit there release date, and I always check my images with abgx360 multiple times before ever burning.
My theory of how microsoft can detect your console is modded is with that new software they put into the boot sector after a recent update. This piece of software probably has the ability to read your drives firmware and send the information to microsoft. Chances are they probably knew my console was modded before the ban wave, but they only banned me and everyone else now to scare people away from getting there 360's modded.
Please re-read the posts in this thread, especially mine.
Post by: troublebreathing on November 05, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Demonsc @ Nov 5 2009, 09:39 PM)
I've modded over 20 consoles, and only 1 of them has been banned, and i modded that specifc console about a week ago. And the game played was NBA LIVE 10.
You people they'll ever be a way to unban a console?
I've noticed this too. All the people i modded that are banned were recent mods...
Post by: BenJeremy on November 05, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Chan163 @ Nov 5 2009, 11:32 PM)
If 2 was true too somehow, a possible explanation would be that M$ knows you have a Samsung drive but the responses are Benq-like...
For the jitter: Wouldn't it be possible to integrate a jitter-routine in the ixtreme firmware? One that sets the responses off a bit every now and then?
Yes, I'd like to think something could be incorporated into the code to do that, if it turns out to be something like that.
The downside is that there is probably not a good random number generator. Even a fake jitter can give itself away with repetitive pattern. Hopefully, they'd incorporate a timer and some other factor.
Post by: fatvince on November 05, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Artlover @ Nov 5 2009, 09:07 PM)
Ever hear of Google? Their data mining already puts fatvince's hypothesis to shame. Maybe if other companies weren't already doing much of what was suggested (granted, for different reasons), it might have been possible to give your hypothesis of impossible a little more credit.
Can't ban legitimate unmodified consoles being used by honest people either, or block legitimate hardware, legally purchased by honest people from reputable vendors. Oh wait, they HAVE done those things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) After two consoles, one would think that most people would finally grasp that MS doesn't do what's right, but what suits their agenda.
And while I'm at it....
I wish people would stop claiming that it's impossible for MS to remotely brick consoles. It's obvious no one has any concept as to what IBM's eFuse technology is, what it was designed for and how the 360 uses it. The eFuse matrix in the 360 not only holds dash update info, but it also stores it's unique CPU key. Instead of popping a fuse on the dash count area, you just pop a fuse in the CPU key area = key mismatch = failed authentication = bootstrap fails = bricked console w/RROD. The fact that MS put the CPU key in the eFuse matrix to begin with tells me they were planning for that option from the start. I think the only thing stopping them right now is they are waiting on their lawyers to work out a defense to the subsequent lawsuits that would follow before actively sending out "suicide updates", as technically doing such a thing would be illegal in most countries.
Let them go on for another 20 pages saying 'verified with ABGX' or 'only used my own rips' 'never played before release date' etc etc etc.. same old same old. It's obvious that all those reasons mean absolutely nothing, as even some of the most careful people are being banned.
Why they think M$ *wouldn't* use data that they have readily available for them to use... is truly beyond me. If I was in charge of XBOX Live, you can be sure that'd be the first thing I'd command my minions to do. A quick keyword search through the Hotmail and MSN database.. and ban according to IP. Get one wrong, let them appeal and revoke the ban.
Simple and effective.
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Post by: dharrison on November 05, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
Kinda makes me chuckle to get banned. Oh yea, just a little insight.. I had a BenQ iXtreme 1.61, haven't played a multiplayer game online in awhile, never used ABGX to verify any games.
Post by: mat82284 on November 05, 2009, 10:00:00 PM
I flashed my friends xbox a year ago, but he moved away and never played anything but real games. It has ixtreme 1.4 i think? Anyways He called me up today and told me he was banned from live. He also mentioned to be that over the last few months he has been getting the stupid open trey error and the dirty disc error alot. He rarely plays on live and played just mostly halo 3.
From what it sounds like is that they can either somehow now detect firmware or they are back to checking sectors and such that his bad drive flagged as if it was a burned disk. If this is the case a whole lot of people will be really p$$sed off a Microsoft.
I forgot to mention that i flashed his xbox via the xecuter connect tool, so the system was never turned on without the drive.
This post has been edited by mat82284: Nov 6 2009, 06:12 AM
Post by: Slcik on November 05, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:50 PM)
Wonder if game exchange stores like gamestop check to see if consoles are banned from live before they take them back. I know I would be pissed if I bought one from there and then went home and it was banned, but they would probably give you your money back.
GameStop only checks if it is reading games, as long as your 360 still read games you can go trade it in for 80$ and purchase another used 1 for 120$.
Today i got my ban as well gamestop here I come.
Post by: dss0776 on November 05, 2009, 11:06:00 PM
Post by: pogi1100 on November 05, 2009, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 5 2009, 12:09 PM)
I find this very strange.
I'll repeat it again: There is no way for Microsoft to read the firmware of your drive. If you never played a single backup, there should be no way for them to determine you have a hacked system. Hacked firmware runs an original game discs EXACTLY as a non-hacked drive. Since the interface to the console remains indistinguishable from a non-hacked drive (key challenges, SATA status queries, etc), the only way Microsoft would be able to "see" a hacked drive is to infer it, by somehow detecting a backup was run in the system.
Except....
In a previous ban wave (two years ago), I did postulate that Microsoft **could** detect when the console was powered up, but the drive was not connected (when using the Xbox 360 as the power source during a flash). I would still consider this low probability, since an actual drive failure could cause this situation - however, the likelihood of the drive reappearing, and able to connect to Live increases the odds against a legit failure.
In general, I don't think Microsoft would take any odds that allow a legitimate failure to cause a banning, but I could be wrong. Clearly they have become more aggressive with regards to the ban waves in recent years.
I agree... Microsoft cannot get you banned unless you have played an unstealthed or NUKED backup. Microsoft simply cannot "dump the firmware in an update" and find out if it was modified by hash check (this is due to many reasons.) The only plausible way to find out if the console is hacked is if Microsoft can detect the backup somehow.
Post by: Zod5000 on November 05, 2009, 11:25:00 PM
QUOTE(pogi1100 @ Nov 5 2009, 11:12 PM)
I agree... Microsoft cannot get you banned unless you have played an unstealthed or NUKED backup. Microsoft simply cannot "dump the firmware in an update" and find out if it was modified by hash check (this is due to many reasons.) The only plausible way to find out if the console is hacked is if Microsoft can detect the backup somehow.
or they made a new method to detect backups. Alot of people seem to be using backups that are pretty solid copies of the originals. I'm thinking they have a new method, or modified an old one (jitter) to identify modded consoles.
Post by: kiwimods on November 05, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
after 45min talking to them they said i had to call activision to get the game replaced for 25$, man a backup costs $2.50 how come they charge 25$ to replace a disk the xbox has scratched on its own?
activision guys thought it was funny also. he was quite adimit that this occurs all the time.
xbox support then proceded to accuse me of scratching it by moving the console. my console is in a tv cabnet why would i move it. ahhah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 6 2009, 07:25 PM)
or they made a new method to detect backups. Alot of people seem to be using backups that are pretty solid copies of the originals. I'm thinking they have a new method, or modified an old one (jitter) to identify modded consoles.
They most certainly have a new method to detect the disks.
Post by: miggidy on November 06, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Didn't play yesterday, but when I tried logging on XBL moments ago....
I got the banned console notice....
Post by: CHAOSMAN on November 06, 2009, 12:20:00 AM
My theory is that for people that have their default profile as their gametag and it automatically logs into live, MS is probably running some stuff in the background while you are always connected to live to check. My default profile is NOT on live and I play most games on my non live profile and only switch to my gamertag to play on live. Ya sounds kinda ridiculous but for a drive that has lost all its deep string info and yet is still not banned. Makes you wonder
Post by: MadMaxGR on November 06, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
A friend informed me that he got banned last night. Xenon with Hitachi iXtreme 1.51 and from Europe. He played US version downloaded GTA IV episodes earlier than release date (the EU version release date was one week after US release) and propably that time he got flagged. I am 99.99% sure that the bans are associated with playing bad backups and games earlier than the release dates. Also MS must check if you have NTSC game in drive while your XBOX is a PAL version and the other way round.
I hope I gave some light at the situation.
Post by: wh00m on November 06, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
So i have been still not banned yet since my last login into xbox live and this was about 10 hours ago. I must notice that i have been online for about 2 last days (4-5.11). When i saw the topic on forum i just run to my X and pull the cable off. My location is Poland
I'm running on Jasper and a LiteON flashed by 1.51, never used activasion disc also never launching wave4 dvd's. Last games played - Fifa 10 and hmm Borderlands (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . Never play games untill they goes retail. Got arcades (much) and still 830msp on my account.
Peace and hope for better tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: Spark on November 06, 2009, 02:46:00 AM
QUOTE(RuStY9 @ Nov 6 2009, 01:47 AM)
i think microsoft is just trying to artificially boost holiday sales by forcing a lot of people to buy new xbox's
Sadly, I don't think that this is too far from the truth.
They are obviously determined to contend with the Wii this holiday season and take as much wind out of the PS3's sails as possible.
It is funny how, apart from the initial ban wave in 2007, these things have always happened in the last 3 months of the year.
Post by: icet62 on November 06, 2009, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: Charbless on November 06, 2009, 03:50:00 AM
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 5 2009, 11:29 PM)
If we can be botherd doing a reball, we replace the unleadewd solder with lead, as does microsoft when they repalce the chips. we rarely need to do a reball, the time taken is far to great.
to answer you question, not particulary, but i do believe it is much better. only reason we use the lead based solder after a reball is the much lower melting temperature. we had allot of trouble damaging the GPu chips when applying enough heat to actually reflow the solder and get rid of any voids. we have a method now which eliminates this chip damage. im going to post a full tutorial after the 10 nov as my thesis is due then. this is why im procrastinating on these forums :-)
i have seen many consoles that m$ has repaired with lead solder need another repair. they have only fixed the problem caused by the faulty design and not the main issue. if you fix the problem without solving the real issue then licly to get re ocurance.
MS has to use lead free solder due to EU regulations so they wont replace the lead free with lead solder for repairs.
I don't know the law for your country but if you was in EU and your a retailer as you state using lead solder in place of the lead free stuff you would be in serious trouble.
Post by: Phucketall on November 06, 2009, 03:50:00 AM
Bad rips
Bad burns (Bitsetting/booktype and/or bad dvds issues)
Playing early
I really dont think MS has the ability to detect the firmware, I think some people (dont everyone take it personal) have one of the issues I stated above. As well as the people who claim to have done everything flawless. On top of that Booktyping/bitsetting drives are hard to fine, alot of the new drives (the ones they claim all have this setting now) do not. Check your drive on www>dot<videohelp>dot<com. The correct dvd's to use are verbatim (Product Number: 96542). Did you play the game before release? At some point you went wrong somewhere. Of course this is just my opinion and I dont mean to offend anyone.
Also I would not suggest doing a Wal-Mart swap, they can track your account back to you if you think about it. I would suggest keeping an eye on the progress of linux on the 360, it could make use of that brick of yours. I personally plan on fitting my xbox into a suitcase with a monitor (making a portable game case) and and taking it to work.
This post has been edited by Phucketall: Nov 6 2009, 11:54 AM
Post by: 3-ranger on November 06, 2009, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(Phucketall @ Nov 6 2009, 11:50 AM)
I have hitachi 1.51 Games were verified by abgx, and burned correctly. Banned today (afternoon not am 11-5-09) All of my games are verified scene releases. I have been modded for over a year now. My mistake was playing the games early. My opinion as to why everyone else is getting baned is one of the following:
Bad rips
Bad burns (Bitsetting/booktype and/or bad dvds issues)
Playing early
I really dont think MS has the ability to detect the firmware, I think some people (dont everyone take it personal) have one of the issues I stated above. As well as the people who claim to have done everything flawless. On top of that Booktyping/bitsetting drives are hard to fine, alot of the new drives (the ones they claim all have this setting now) do not. Check your drive on www>dot<videohelp>dot<com. The correct dvd's to use are verbatim (Product Number: 96542). Did you play the game before release? At some point you went wrong somewhere. Of course this is just my opinion and I dont mean to offend anyone.
and what do you think about the abgx Tool? I have checked my 4 games with this tool. Used only verbatims and burn it with 2,4x. Box is 1 week old, never played before etc.
Post by: Phucketall on November 06, 2009, 04:04:00 AM
QUOTE(3-ranger @ Nov 6 2009, 05:55 AM)
and what do you think about the abgx Tool? I have checked my 4 games with this tool. Used only verbatims and burn it with 2,4x. Box is 1 week old, never played before etc.
What about bitsetting/booktyping? Some drives look like they take the setting from imageburn but still do not change it during burn. I have about 12 dvd burners in my house, after testing them all I found that only one was able to burn games with this setting. I also learned that it also depends on your Chipset/DVD Burner combination. Sounds crazy but I experienced it myself.
Post by: kiwimods on November 06, 2009, 04:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 6 2009, 11:50 PM)
MS has to use lead free solder due to EU regulations so they wont replace the lead free with lead solder for repairs.
I don't know the law for your country but if you was in EU and your a retailer as you state using lead solder in place of the lead free stuff you would be in serious trouble.
you are correct the law is pretty firm on new items being shipped with lead free solder, but the repaired consoles definatly have leaded solder in then, or some eutectic alloy that has a much lower melting temperature. i am a retailer and i have no problems putting lead solder into the consoles. i shall go and take a photo now for you and post on my website new photos. i dont know how i can prove to you the refurbs have a differnet type of solder. let me know as i have a few here and i will do as you suggest.
Post by: Charbless on November 06, 2009, 04:15:00 AM
QUOTE(kiwimods @ Nov 6 2009, 01:04 PM)
you are correct the law is pretty firm on new items being shipped with lead free solder, but the repaired consoles definatly have leaded solder in then, or some eutectic alloy that has a much lower melting temperature. i am a retailer and i have no problems putting lead solder into the consoles. i shall go and take a photo now for you and post on my website new photos. i dont know how i can prove to you the refurbs have a differnet type of solder. let me know as i have a few here and i will do as you suggest.
That could be region based
are you sure they didn't just change to another type of lead free solder there are various types
Do you know the type of lead free solder ms use?
Post by: absorb on November 06, 2009, 04:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 6 2009, 11:15 PM)
That could be region based
are you sure they didn't just change to another type of lead free solder there are various types
Do you know the type of lead free solder ms use?
I believe kiwimods is correct. There is a massive temperature difference in the melting point of the Australian M$ repaired consoles compaired to the original factory ones.
Getting a little off topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: ZeroprisonerZ on November 06, 2009, 05:00:00 AM
Theory: Maybe they ban alphabetically and never get around to the Z's before they make there Christmas quota
ZeroprisonerZ
Post by: kiwimods on November 06, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 6 2009, 11:50 PM)
MS has to use lead free solder due to EU regulations so they wont replace the lead free with lead solder for repairs.
I don't know the law for your country but if you was in EU and your a retailer as you state using lead solder in place of the lead free stuff you would be in serious trouble.
the consoles shipped from m$ stock have a solder that melts at 213C we hit around 218C.
if the console has been repaired before we need to drop this temperature considerably to around 190C other wise it damages the console. i really dont have time to prove this to you at the moment, suffice to say i know what i am talking about. i have just updated a picture on my website to show my re balling equipment and my prototype BGA machine.
if this link does not work look under repair xbox 360 on my website, you will need to click the additional images tab
http://www.kiwimods....p;product_id=60
notice in the picture of the leaded solder balls it says Pb which means Plumb bumb hehe, this is the original name of lead.
plus it took me so long to figure this problem out. seriously i read and read every article and followed every video, none had long term success. until we organized this machine and spent a bucket load of cash figuring out the profiles. we are getting really good results.
if anyone is interested in getting one of these machines let me know as they are being produced now, i should be able to get you a good deal on one. would hope so man it was a mission to solve this red ring problem long term.
QUOTE(Charbless @ Nov 7 2009, 12:15 AM)
That could be region based
are you sure they didn't just change to another type of lead free solder there are various types
Do you know the type of lead free solder ms use?
pretty positive its lead, not many other metals have the melting temperature this low.
anyway we can discuss this in another thread latter on probably not the place to be hijacking major nelson, seem a bit more important.
Post by: bloke on November 06, 2009, 05:34:00 AM
Just a thought......
Post by: majinsoftware on November 06, 2009, 05:36:00 AM
They had a special on at Farnell awhile ago.
Post by: kiwimods on November 06, 2009, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(bloke @ Nov 7 2009, 01:34 AM)
Has anyone flashed a virgin 360 and not played any backups on it at all? at least then we will know if MS detect the firmware of the drive or not?????
Just a thought......
that log posted above shows increased security checks. if they could detect the firmware mod directly they would not bother with the extra disk checks.
farnel is way to expensive.
This post has been edited by kiwimods: Nov 6 2009, 01:49 PM
Post by: Xinobi on November 06, 2009, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(bloke @ Nov 6 2009, 07:34 AM)
Has anyone flashed a virgin 360 and not played any backups on it at all? at least then we will know if MS detect the firmware of the drive or not?????
Just a thought......
One guy reported he did, but many ppl didn't believe him.
Post by: johnnobts on November 06, 2009, 06:06:00 AM
I've also just installed a watercooling system in my Hitachi XBOX and its working perfectly now, so really don't want it to get banned (would be a real headache switching out mobos).
Post by: HiddenSniper on November 06, 2009, 06:07:00 AM
Post by: safdl on November 06, 2009, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Xinobi @ Nov 6 2009, 01:48 PM)
One guy reported he did, but many ppl didn't believe him.
For clarity purposes
iv got a modded elite thats not got banned.
Iv played originals for nearly 2 years but got pissed off at having to pay 40 quid a go so when fifa came out i thought what the hell, ill get it modded, worst case scenario is that a new 360 cost 150 pounds and that ill loose 110 but gain a 12month warranty instead, and be able to sell my old 360 for at least 100 quids.
Iv only ever played 1 game on live which is fifa 10, no other games played and got it modded 1 week before ban hammer!! hope this info helps.
Personally i think they know anyone and everyone who play copies. They just choose to ban a few, with xmas coming up itll bump up their sales. Or maybe its down to the volume of games uv played or the total hours uv played on live that determines whether ur banned or not. I hardly used to play and even after the mod still hardly play.
Post by: clivem on November 06, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
Thought what the hell if I'm banned I'm banned, staying disconnected won't help if I'm already flagged.
Connected cable and signed in at dashboard. Immediate ban.
Silver membership apart from one month trial gold in March this year.
Lite-on 1.6 iXtreme flashed through connectivity kit with pc power.
Never play games early. No wave 4 games. Newest games played FIFA 10 and Forza 3 both autofix with abgx360
Post by: Zod5000 on November 06, 2009, 07:58:00 AM
QUOTE(bloke @ Nov 6 2009, 05:34 AM)
Has anyone flashed a virgin 360 and not played any backups on it at all? at least then we will know if MS detect the firmware of the drive or not?????
Just a thought......
I'm close, I use backups but only offline. Only when the ethernet cable is unplugged from the console. I figure this prevents live from running checks on the disc. About a year ago I accidently left a backup in the drive for several minutes while connected to live. Other then that I've been rock solid.
As of yet, I'm still not banned. So if its a disc based check, then thats a good bet as to why I'm not banned yet.
Post by: Bomba on November 06, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(clivem @ Nov 6 2009, 03:51 PM)
Banned this afternoon in Scotland. Didn't have network cable attatched since ban warnings.
Thought what the hell if I'm banned I'm banned, staying disconnected won't help if I'm already flagged.
Connected cable and signed in at dashboard. Immediate ban.
Silver membership apart from one month trial gold in March this year.
Lite-on 1.6 iXtreme flashed through connectivity kit with pc power.
Never play games early. No wave 4 games. Newest games played FIFA 10 and Forza 3 both autofix with abgx360
Same here banned but I've been play for about a year now on a burned copy of gears and the newest burned game I played was Borderlands and L4D2 demo...
This post has been edited by Bomba: Nov 6 2009, 04:02 PM
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 08:08:00 AM
Lite-on
ixtreme 1.6
ODST disc 2 retail in tray
create new user account
free upgrade to gold
apply all updates
apply optional media update
Fixed his offline video issue
also not banned
Oh, and all of this from Canada, during the canada bans yesterday.
Important note: This is a repair center replacement console.
re-check today, not banned.
They cannot read the firmware. May be flagged for future banning, hopefully not, but if so at least he fixed the offline video issue first.
Post by: somenutter on November 06, 2009, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 6 2009, 04:08 PM)
A firend of mine got very tired of not being able to play xvid content offline, and since he was waiting for a ban figuring he'd been banned anywyas, figured hed take a stab at the fix of creating a new profile
Lite-on
ixtreme 1.6
ODST disc 2 retail in tray
create new user account
free upgrade to gold
apply all updates
apply optional media update
Fixed his offline video issue
also not banned
Oh, and all of this from Canada, during the canada bans yesterday.
Important note: This is a repair center replacement console.
re-check today, not banned.
They cannot read the firmware. May be flagged for future banning, hopefully not, but if so at least he fixed the offline video issue first.
Im pretty sure that if you get banned its stops you from playing xvids again anyway so unless he keeps it offline it will stop playing them if he gets banned
like i got banned, now i cant play xvids or install games anymore
Post by: fatvince on November 06, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(clivem @ Nov 6 2009, 03:51 PM)
Banned this afternoon in Scotland. Didn't have network cable attatched since ban warnings.
Thought what the hell if I'm banned I'm banned, staying disconnected won't help if I'm already flagged.
Connected cable and signed in at dashboard. Immediate ban.
Silver membership apart from one month trial gold in March this year.
Lite-on 1.6 iXtreme flashed through connectivity kit with pc power.
Never play games early. No wave 4 games. Newest games played FIFA 10 and Forza 3 both autofix with abgx360
You didn't mind getting banned? You do know that your HDD is pretty much just a memory card now, right? If it was only LIVE being disabled, I wouldn't care either. But every game I play I play off the HDD.. and that's a feature I never want to lose.
Post by: biggyfred on November 06, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Nov 6 2009, 04:30 PM)
Im pretty sure that if you get banned its stops you from playing xvids again anyway so unless he keeps it offline it will stop playing them if he gets banned
like i got banned, now i cant play xvids or install games anymore
I was banned a couple of days ago and can still play xvids and connect to Windows Media Center on a Win 7 Ultimate RTM. I have no idea why, but I can.
Just for informational purposes.
Post by: kconston on November 06, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 6 2009, 04:51 PM)
WOW!!!!!! Had a xbox live friend get her xbox banned!!!! The crazy part about it was that the only time a backup was put in her xbox was to check and make sure that it was flashed succesfully, but other than that she only played XBL ARCADE games!!!!! The backup was in her xbox to check if it booted up and it was 100% verified through abgx. Also the xbox was flashed using a connectivity kit with a probe as the drive was a liteon (dont know which version just know that It was one of the first liteons that required the probe). So this means either Microsoft are actually able to detect the firmwares or that they flag the xbox and ban at a later date. Her Xbox had been offline for 2 days before the Nov. 4 ban wave and 1 day after and when she signed on she was met with the ban message. Also there was no dvd in the tray as she only played XBL arcade. So that is something to think about..... Oh another thing the drive was flashed with ixtreme 1.6 and like I said only has had 1 ABGX FULLY VERIFIED BACKUP EVER IN THE DRIVE FOR NO MORE THAN 10 SECS!!!!!!!
This is what makes me think that SOME drives might be detectable? Or there is something in the newer firmwares? Aww i don't what to think ...M$ rules us all.
Post by: MichaelN on November 06, 2009, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(that360guy @ Nov 5 2009, 04:44 AM)
My theory is that you have to not be a cheap ass (Buy Lots if MS Points) and stay off the radar (not playing pre-releases) I still dump loads of $$$ buying MS Points for Rock Band Songs, DLC ect.....maybe they turn a blind eye if you're still a "profitable pirate" ha ha
I know this isn't the case but also makes you think....
From a business standpoint:
Do you Ban Customer A: Spent $15 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
OR
Do you Ban Customer B: Spent over $500 in MS points this year and we know has a modded system one way or another...
If they are truely being "Selective" I could see how the second choice would be more in your favor...
Sorry but I dont think that is true. I have 60+ XBLA games, about 40 DLC tunes from Rock Band. Lots of DLC really, gamer pics, themes. the whole lot.
I just got banned today. MW2 early, possibly?
Post by: tokerman on November 06, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
I Just thought, a friend of mine played the MW2,(the unstealthed copy that was floating around by all accounts) he did however unplug the ethernet cable but not his hardrive, and only played in the player 1 option (dont ask as i havent seen or played it), he has however noticed that in his games listings that MW2 is listed as being one of the games played. When he tries to remove that game it requires him to log in xbox live. Im not sure what dashboard he has (prob doesnt matter). But surely if the games list has an entry for a pre-release game and he connects to live then theorecticly speaking M$ could straight away detect
1. Has he got the retail game early! and in which case if you could prove this ie via receipt maybe an unban could happen
2. No proof of receipt for game = modded box = ban.
To me that sounds something that M$ can and will be looking at and surely will lead to a ban.
As for those people who claim not to play pre-releases before the release date, im just stumpped.
My friend hasnt connected to live and isnt until its released or if he can get the entry out of this listings. Just to be sure.
QUOTE(kconston @ Nov 6 2009, 05:51 PM)
WOW!!!!!! Had a xbox live friend get her xbox banned!!!! The crazy part about it was that the only time a backup was put in her xbox was to check and make sure that it was flashed succesfully, but other than that she only played XBL ARCADE games!!!!! The backup was in her xbox to check if it booted up and it was 100% verified through abgx. Also the xbox was flashed using a connectivity kit with a probe as the drive was a liteon (dont know which version just know that It was one of the first liteons that required the probe). So this means either Microsoft are actually able to detect the firmwares or that they flag the xbox and ban at a later date. Her Xbox had been offline for 2 days before the Nov. 4 ban wave and 1 day after and when she signed on she was met with the ban message. Also there was no dvd in the tray as she only played XBL arcade. So that is something to think about..... Oh another thing the drive was flashed with ixtreme 1.6 and like I said only has had 1 ABGX FULLY VERIFIED BACKUP EVER IN THE DRIVE FOR NO MORE THAN 10 SECS!!!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
What game was it? pre-release at the time of testing by any chance?
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 11:01 AM)
This is what makes me think that SOME drives might be detectable? Or there is something in the newer firmwares? Aww i don't what to think ...M$ rules us all.
There are extra disc checks now (a gift from the last round of updates) <all be it I cannot confirm yet>. they cannot detect firmware. if it IS extra disc checks (and it loosk very much like it), then I guess just about ANY backup can get you banned. As soon as you play the game it auto-enters you on the leaderboard. All they have to do is watch the leaderboards for the big red x's, and band accordingly. If I had a modded xbox, I wouldnt bother with live until the new firmware is out, and hope I havent singled myself out.
To the guy that cant play xvid offline. it's a known bug, and the fix is listed here, and on the official support site.
Post by: tabsaid on November 06, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
lite-on jasper with 1.6, flashed from box to 1.5 with ck3. USA w/live gold. No Ban still.
Post by: kneehighspy on November 06, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
QUOTE(tokerman @ Nov 6 2009, 04:10 PM)
Hey peeps.
I Just thought, a friend of mine played the MW2,(the unstealthed copy that was floating around by all accounts) he did however unplug the ethernet cable but not his hardrive, and only played in the player 1 option (dont ask as i havent seen or played it), he has however noticed that in his games listings that MW2 is listed as being one of the games played. When he tries to remove that game it requires him to log in xbox live. Im not sure what dashboard he has (prob doesnt matter). But surely if the games list has an entry for a pre-release game and he connects to live then theorecticly speaking M$ could straight away detect
1. Has he got the retail game early! and in which case if you could prove this ie via receipt maybe an unban could happen
2. No proof of receipt for game = modded box = ban.
To me that sounds something that M$ can and will be looking at and surely will lead to a ban.
As for those people who claim not to play pre-releases before the release date, im just stumpped.
My friend hasnt connected to live and isnt until its released or if he can get the entry out of this listings. Just to be sure.
What game was it? pre-release at the time of testing by any chance?
a game gets logged to your gamertag if you log into your gamertag offline and if you just only put the game in the drive, not even playing it, it will still show up on your gamertag.
Post by: mikearama on November 06, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 5 2009, 04:15 AM)
Anyone from Canada get the hammer? I wonder if im going to end up alone with on XBL ...my friends are all modded, mine is still a virgin
My sons got hammered last night... we're just east of Toronto.
Of interest, this console was bought in August, and its Lite-On was flashed with 1.6 immediately. The ONLY game ever played on it LIVE was COD5.
So in regards to suggestions about game discs not being released in an area... BS. COD5 has been out for a year in Canada. Either the firmware is detectable, or this abgx "certified" copy is detectable. Take your pick.
Post by: seven2099 on November 06, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
For all intents and purposes i'm pretty sure once your console is flashed your screwed. Maybe before you could get away but now i wont bother connecting my ethernet to find out if i'm banned.
One things for sure. They wont make a legit user out of me
and i'll just play my online games through the vpn software options like xlink. pirates always find a way. Just look at how healthy the hamachi communities were. Once developers blocked hamachi the community made tunngle and let me tell you. Online play for pc games on tunngle rocks!
arrrrr
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(mikearama @ Nov 6 2009, 11:20 AM)
Either the firmware is detectable, or this abgx "certified" copy is detectable. Take your pick.
Most likley a poison pill release, or he was nailed by the extra stealth checks. Can also probe for empty tray seek times I've read (unconfirmed), and if that's the case, would explain why people with no backups played are still being banned. The modded firmware will be slightly slower due to decryption yes?
This post has been edited by azuziel: Nov 6 2009, 05:27 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 06, 2009, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(tabsaid @ Nov 6 2009, 11:15 AM)
Curious to see how much $$$ the banned vs non-banned spend on live. I've spent quite a bit on live this summer (over 100$ atleast) on arcade games and content. Still no ban. I use exclusively back-up discs and even booted that UFC disc with the wrong DMI that abgx patched on live. Think MS just wants to keep my dollars rollin in.
lite-on jasper with 1.6, flashed from box to 1.5 with ck3. USA w/live gold. No Ban still.
I got way over $500 worth of purchased DLC and still got banned so however much you spend don't mean anything. If anything they will figure those who purchased all that DLC will more than likely buy another console and recover their gamertag so they wont loose all that DLC they bought.
Post by: tokerman on November 06, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Nov 6 2009, 06:16 PM)
a game gets logged to your gamertag if you log into your gamertag offline and if you just only put the game in the drive, not even playing it, it will still show up on your gamertag.
Yes im aware of that, so when you login to live, it will sync your gt and could detect a pre-release therefore getting banned. im going to remove the entry from the hdd anyways, but i can bet thats how most people are likely to get banned, if they cant detect the firmware (and i believe that they cant), they can only check for games in tray, gt/profiles on and offline (while online in live)
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 6 2009, 05:20 PM)
People on this forum need to understand there are plenty of people who have reported new boxes flashed with no backups ever played that have been banned. So that means that disc verification is not the full issue. It could most certainly be something hardware on newer revisions. None the less im starting to see that its not just a tiny ban wave. Few who survived the first days and then they log on and they get the ban code.
For all intents and purposes i'm pretty sure once your console is flashed your screwed. Maybe before you could get away but now i wont bother connecting my ethernet to find out if i'm banned.
One things for sure. They wont make a legit user out of me
and i'll just play my online games through the vpn software options like xlink. pirates always find a way. Just look at how healthy the hamachi communities were. Once developers blocked hamachi the community made tunngle and let me tell you. Online play for pc games on tunngle rocks!
arrrrr
Im starting to believe that X-Link and Leaf are going to become helluva more popular and they'll start getting much bigger server loads
Post by: seven2099 on November 06, 2009, 09:40:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 11:31 AM)
Im starting to believe that X-Link and Leaf are going to become helluva more popular and they'll start getting much bigger server loads
you can bet your sack that'll happen baby.
If you believe ms cant detect your firmware you're trippin balls
there was one person (reliable source and pretty pissed off) who once banned just bought a brand new elite
flashed it using the "safest known" method and did NOT, i repeat did NOT put any disc in tray period. Once flashed, new xblive account and 2 hours later. Boom.
Banned son.
So yeah.. Nothing more to say but its a matter of time and i'm sure this ban wave they'll just take out as many as they can.
Post by: royal88 on November 06, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 6 2009, 11:24 AM)
Can also probe for empty tray seek times I've read (unconfirmed), and if that's the case, would explain why people with no backups played are still being banned. The modded firmware will be slightly slower due to decryption yes?
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I find this interesting and something I haven't heard about yet. If ever confirmed, I would most certainly file it under "firmware detection".
Azuziel - Can you elaborate on this please? Can you also cite your source (if online)?
Thanks.
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 09:55:00 AM
To give information like "a friend of a friend's cousin I know, never put in a game and got his xbox banned" its just pointless, just put what you have, worry about yourselves.
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 6 2009, 11:55 AM)
To give information like "a friend of a friend's cousin I know, never put in a game and got his xbox banned" its just pointless, just put what you have, worry about yourselves.
Or some people's inferred friends are actually themselves, they are just aware that ms reads the forums as well.
Post by: hetster on November 06, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: kneehighspy on November 06, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 6 2009, 04:30 PM)
I got way over $500 worth of purchased DLC and still got banned so however much you spend don't mean anything. If anything they will figure those who purchased all that DLC will more than likely buy another console and recover their gamertag so they wont loose all that DLC they bought.
i agree with you ranger72, i probably spend between $700-$800 a year on points for dlc, arcade games and what not. it seems through the live repair site, that my console is banned. i'm not gonna go on live to get it banned, wanna retain the hdd install feature.
so microsoft doesn't care how much you spend, i even have live auto-renew every year. they don't care, but i did change the auto-renew to off. i'll just let this sub run out and not renew.
Post by: seven2099 on November 06, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 6 2009, 11:55 AM)
I havn't been banned yet, this forums is just full of a bunch of blind guessing, I would bet anybody doing something about this doesn't read this thread to rot thier brain.
To give information like "a friend of a friend's cousin I know, never put in a game and got his xbox banned" its just pointless, just put what you have, worry about yourselves.
Promise you'll come back and tell us when you're banned so I can chuckle.
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 6 2009, 06:19 PM)
Promise you'll come back and tell us when you're banned so I can chuckle.
I promise! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Post by: seven2099 on November 06, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Nov 6 2009, 12:05 PM)
xlink and leaf and xbconnect etc will not work on the 360..it has a ping limit..this limit is so low that even on a real system link sometimes the connection is deemed to slow. it was implemented by M$ from the word go to stop tunneling game play. a lesson learnt from xbox 1
Actually Leaf does still work. Its pretty easy to trick games into getting "low" pings. just look at how many developers tried the same approach with hamachi and tunngle bypassed it quite easily regardless of pings.
xlink still does too, but to be sure i'll give it a try right now and see wuts up.
EDIT: so yeah, it does work. Its just like in the early days of hamachi, don't expect to play xbox360 games with friends on the other side of the planet. The latency issue is pretty lenient unless you already have 100+ ms from your computer to your ISP like most 3g connections.
This post has been edited by seven2099: Nov 6 2009, 06:30 PM
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(royal88 @ Nov 6 2009, 11:47 AM)
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I find this interesting and something I haven't heard about yet. If ever confirmed, I would most certainly file it under "firmware detection".
Azuziel - Can you elaborate on this please? Can you also cite your source (if online)?
Thanks.
During hardware benchmarking, they know precisely how long an unmodded drive takes to spin up. In theory, they could gauge the seek times of the modded drive, and compare against benchmarks of spin times with no disc in they tray. I can't quote a source, most of it is in IRC chats, but I'll see if I can't pick up on some more conversations on the topic to post.
Post by: the soul poet on November 06, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Phucketall @ Nov 6 2009, 10:50 AM)
I have hitachi 1.51 Games were verified by abgx, and burned correctly. Banned today (afternoon not am 11-5-09) All of my games are verified scene releases. I have been modded for over a year now. My mistake was playing the games early. My opinion as to why everyone else is getting baned is one of the following:
Bad rips
Bad burns (Bitsetting/booktype and/or bad dvds issues)
Playing early
I really dont think MS has the ability to detect the firmware, I think some people (dont everyone take it personal) have one of the issues I stated above. As well as the people who claim to have done everything flawless. On top of that Booktyping/bitsetting drives are hard to fine, alot of the new drives (the ones they claim all have this setting now) do not. Check your drive on www>dot<videohelp>dot<com. The correct dvd's to use are verbatim (Product Number: 96542). Did you play the game before release? At some point you went wrong somewhere. Of course this is just my opinion and I dont mean to offend anyone.
Also I would not suggest doing a Wal-Mart swap, they can track your account back to you if you think about it. I would suggest keeping an eye on the progress of linux on the 360, it could make use of that brick of yours. I personally plan on fitting my xbox into a suitcase with a monitor (making a portable game case) and and taking it to work.
I am convinced it's one of the 3 or a mixture of the above, hell I even ripped an ISO before that I saw was bad that ripped and burned ok and ok and played offline. I threw it away though and re-ripped and burnt all good.
Post by: Ree1981 on November 06, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 6 2009, 12:55 AM)
Quote=Ree1981 So, does this mean they can detect people who play modded games or what? I thought the theory was that they couldn't as long as you don't play games before the release date and make sure the game is properly patched and whatnot?
Wrong? Robert Bowling seems to think so.
Colin: Are you taking down names as you see people not authorized to play the game for future action? Piracy requires punishment.
Robert: theyre listed on the leaderboards. Logging online with a modded Xbox is like sewing a big red scarlet letter on yourself.
Where did you get this? Is it a verified source?
Post by: centtavo79 on November 06, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: C-Town on November 06, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
This post has been edited by C-Town: Nov 6 2009, 06:39 PM
Post by: the soul poet on November 06, 2009, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 04:01 PM)
This is what makes me think that SOME drives might be detectable? Or there is something in the newer firmwares? Aww i don't what to think ...M$ rules us all.
If the poster is telling the truth, I will say that is a more likely situation that some drives are more likely.
I remember C4eva also stating Hitachi drives were less secure as reading the drive required using memory rather than the methods Samsung etc use.
Post by: seven2099 on November 06, 2009, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(C-Town @ Nov 6 2009, 12:38 PM)
Well i got Banned within the last 24 hours so ima break it down for everybody to understand 1. you sign in to xbox live everything is cool 2. you see a new download for a game you been waiting for you do the down load everything cool you put the game in and BAM!! you get a message with a big red X saying you've just been banned for violating the terms of use. i saw this then turn system off then back on .was able to sign in automatically tried another game same message. thought the ban only applied to just playin online but i could still sign in to dashboard. i could still buy stuff on market place but couldn't play. tried another 360 just purchased and tried to move my profile from old system to MU then to new 360 BAM!!! error message my profile is corrupted. new 360 doesn't even rocognize the profile to sign in due to corruption. tried old hard drive on new system same thing. tried new hard drive on old system same results. By this time 1hr has gone by . reconnected old console with ethernet cable BAM!!! now i cant sign in any more to xbox live on old console at all. no dashboard no friends list nothing tried to recover gamertag denied. This Wave is no B.S its similar to some type of encryption virus meaning it spreads throughout your xbox live account and your system gradually over a period of 60 minutes. IT not only affects your system it also affects your profile. when the ban first happens you disconnect from live once you boot a game up everytime then your profile gets corrupted then the download i did prior to being banned has glitches, faces in wrong places game constantly locks up , now any xbox live arcade games that were purchased are all arcade game trials just about all live arcade games require internet connection to play full version except a choice few not sure why. PS3 once you download a game its yours whether your online or off go figure. And now any game that was installed to hard drive is corrupted also tried to install a regular game received error message game not supported whatever this ban wave is . IT jammed me up in more ways than i can count.
damn son, thats pretty freakin brutal.
Good thing i decided to never find out if i'm banned or not. Gonna keep it that way and just play xlink style. Tons of ppl play xlink here in canada so it should be fun.
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
QUOTE(seven2099 @ Nov 6 2009, 06:42 PM)
damn son, thats pretty freakin brutal.
Good thing i decided to never find out if i'm banned or not. Gonna keep it that way and just play xlink style. Tons of ppl play xlink here in canada so it should be fun.
so you can play xlink with a banned 360? just route it through a pc?
Post by: tehloxely on November 06, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
If I play my games on my banned console with my Live account on my HDD, and then I plug my HDD to my other non-banned console to Live, will that affect anything for the un-banned console?
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 6 2009, 06:39 PM)
If the poster is telling the truth, I will say that is a more likely situation that some drives are more likely.
I remember C4eva also stating Hitachi drives were less secure as reading the drive required using memory rather than the methods Samsung etc use.
Although we see almost no hitachi's reporting bans...much less than lite-ons anyway
Post by: Asphixiate on November 06, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 06:53 PM)
Although we see almost no hitachi's reporting bans...much less than lite-ons anyway
the model doesn't matter....I have lite on....my friend has Hitachi...he is banned
Never DL a game only games played are ones I ripped using a Kreon and ones that he purchased.
Quit with the nonsense.
Post by: the soul poet on November 06, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 05:53 PM)
Although we see almost no hitachi's reporting bans...much less than lite-ons anyway
True, hey my question for those who rip/use abgx do you add splitvid when not present?
Every one of my backups have split vid on it and no consoles banned (about 30 consoles modded since March).
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 11:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 6 2009, 07:01 PM)
the model doesn't matter....I have lite on....my friend has Hitachi...he is banned
Never DL a game only games played are ones I ripped using a Kreon and ones that he purchased.
Quit with the nonsense.
All of this is non-sense whacko...just stating what i think..
Post by: Loomies on November 06, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(HUmarX @ Nov 6 2009, 12:33 PM)
Banned as of 5 minutes ago. started up netflix and it told me i was disconnected from live. next thing i see is the message saying my console is banned. What I'm wondering is if it's okay to still play games on this console or if that will somehow corrupt the data on my HDD. could somebody shed more light on this issue?
what firmware were you on?
Post by: Zomah on November 06, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
Challenge/Response 18 times
PFI 5 times
DVD Structure/SS 4 times
DMI 4 times
Capacity 7 times
Inquiry 5 times
06-17-2009
Challenge/Response 12 times
PFI 9 times
DVD Structure/SS 2 times
DMI 2 times
Capacity 3 times
Inquiry 1 times
Post by: schweitzer on November 06, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 6 2009, 11:58 AM)
Has anyone confirmed how the ban works? I believe it to be a simple MAC ban, but could be mistaken.
Where did this "MAC Address banning" idea come from? They do not ban your network card, they can't tell what MAC address you are using without specifically asking the Xbox what it's MAC address is. That information does not get transmitted over the internet. Each console has an ID number, and that is what they ban, not the network card.
Post by: HUmarX on November 06, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Loomies @ Nov 6 2009, 11:38 AM)
what firmware were you on?
liteon 1.51, never played a wave 4 game. live in the US
Post by: Snatch on November 06, 2009, 11:47:00 AM
1) Currently not banned with Benq & iXtreme 1.6
2) Logging into Live with Netflix and ODST (Retail)
2) Unplugged a few days ago just in case
3) Re-flash the DVD drive with the original firmware
4) Plug back in and connect with Live again
After re-flashing to the default firmware, do you think it'll still end up getting banned or should it be safe indefinitely?
I'm just curious it's flagged already or not.
Cheers!
Post by: petedishnet on November 06, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
if they get everyone, everyone go and buy xbox and no one will mod, this way every year they ban certain quantity, people arent sure why they got banned, so they buy xbox again and mod and try to be more careful, again they ban and circle continues they keep selling consoles. I am not banned as of yet but my friend is, i am sure mine is also flagged, when my time comes i dont know ! but it will and when it does i say goodbye to modding
Post by: Zomah on November 06, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(petedishnet @ Nov 6 2009, 08:54 PM)
as i stated in my post , i have ZERO doubt that they can detect f/w. they reason they arent getting everyone is simple
if they get everyone, everyone go and buy xbox and no one will mod, this way every year they ban certain quantity, people arent sure why they got banned, so they buy xbox again and mod and try to be more careful, again they ban and circle continues they keep selling consoles. I am not banned as of yet but my friend is, i am sure mine is also flagged, when my time comes i dont know ! but it will and when it does i say goodbye to modding
Well they have changed the checks a lot look at it;
31-10-2009
Challenge/Response 18 times
PFI 5 times
DVD Structure/SS 4 times
DMI 4 times
Capacity 7 times
Inquiry 5 times
06-17-2009
Challenge/Response 12 times
PFI 9 times
DVD Structure/SS 2 times
DMI 2 times
Capacity 3 times
Inquiry 1 times
Post by: LEON007 on November 06, 2009, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 6 2009, 07:55 PM)
Well they have changed the checks a lot look at it;
31-10-2009
Challenge/Response 18 times
PFI 5 times
DVD Structure/SS 4 times
DMI 4 times
Capacity 7 times
Inquiry 5 times
06-17-2009
Challenge/Response 12 times
PFI 9 times
DVD Structure/SS 2 times
DMI 2 times
Capacity 3 times
Inquiry 1 times
lol date format kinda confusing
Post by: Loomies on November 06, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 6 2009, 01:13 PM)
I havent seen one post of anyone with the 1.4 firmware being banned.....is this correct?
yeah been checking past few days nad havent read anything about 1.4 getting ban. Some dude updated 1.4 to 1.6 recently and got ban tho
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 6 2009, 08:13 PM)
I havent seen one post of anyone with the 1.4 firmware being banned.....is this correct?
Its probably correct but theres like 10 people in the world that have this firmware still.
Post by: TerminatR on November 06, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(petedishnet @ Nov 6 2009, 06:45 PM)
...there is no doubt for me that MS can detect f/w or backup disk in the drive.
Hello Captain Obvious!
Post by: Asphixiate on November 06, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(schweitzer @ Nov 6 2009, 07:41 PM)
Where did this "MAC Address banning" idea come from? They do not ban your network card, they can't tell what MAC address you are using without specifically asking the Xbox what it's MAC address is. That information does not get transmitted over the internet. Each console has an ID number, and that is what they ban, not the network card.
it's probably accurate ... I am pretty sure they did this with the old school Xbox.
Post by: Snatch on November 06, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Asphixiate @ Nov 6 2009, 11:26 AM)
it's probably accurate ... I am pretty sure they did this with the old school Xbox.
Besides you can spoof MAC in the dashboard now...
Post by: acorn61p on November 06, 2009, 12:51:00 PM
Here is my question: If i'm ripping from my original game, do i need to run it through ABGX to check the STEALTH PATCHES and/or VERIFY the game?? I personally think you wouldn't need to since it is the BACKUP of your ORIGINAL. I DO NOT want some random patches and AutoFix just because its not recognized in the ABGX database. I think that would be a RED FLAG to microdouches... just my theory.
If YES, then what kind of ABGX SETTING do i need to look for??
Is it safe for online gaming? chance of getting ban by microdouches?? (probably..)
I have been getting mixed suggestions and if somebody could clear this would be great!!
Thanks yall!
Post by: The Dude Z on November 06, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 6 2009, 02:17 PM)
Its probably correct but theres like 10 people in the world that have this firmware still.
That would be because nobody uses 1.4 IX FW anymore cause it SUCKS !
Had 2 people I know get banned yesterday .
1st person didn't use abgx cause he is an idiot .
2nd person ripped Borderlands to his HD on his pc using CloneCD.
When he burned the copy after that it gave off a anyDVD style corruption after he got banned and ran it through ABGX.
So somehow CloneCD gave it anyDVD corruption when burned.
The odd part is he burned a copy of it again last night and the other didn't have it.
So he burned it again and the 3rd did have it.
This is all just the usual Bad Rip Ban with some that are getting banned for cheating etc. to throw you off the trail.
Post by: petedishnet on November 06, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 08:51 PM)
Ok, Can someone please clarify something. Well first off all, so far i am NOT BAN yet... I just recently learned how to RIP your Original XBOX game using WxRipper.
Here is my question: If i'm ripping from my original game, do i need to run it through ABGX to check the STEALTH PATCHES and/or VERIFY the game?? I personally think you wouldn't need to since it is the BACKUP of your ORIGINAL. I DO NOT want some random patches and AutoFix just because its not recognized in the ABGX database. I think that would be a RED FLAG to microdouches... just my theory.
If YES, then what kind of ABGX SETTING do i need to look for??
Is it safe for online gaming? chance of getting ban by microdouches?? (probably..)
I have been getting mixed suggestions and if somebody could clear this would be great!!
Thanks yall!
even if you rip your originals you are NOT safe , as i said my friend and i did that and he is banned. if you really have purchased your originals, i suggest you do NOT mod.
Post by: sveetsnelda on November 06, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
QUOTE(troublebreathing @ Nov 6 2009, 05:05 AM)
I've noticed this too. All the people i modded that are banned were recent mods...
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(schweitzer @ Nov 6 2009, 01:41 PM)
Where did this "MAC Address banning" idea come from? They do not ban your network card, they can't tell what MAC address you are using without specifically asking the Xbox what it's MAC address is. That information does not get transmitted over the internet. Each console has an ID number, and that is what they ban, not the network card.
I just assumed it was the same as a nework level ban, ie: what I would ban by, if trying to keep someone off my network. Short of banning the whole subnet (which wouldnt work for MS) , I thought perhaps it was a mac ban. logical assumption no? That was why I asked. Thanks for the info
Post by: Fudgebar on November 06, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Also, how do you get game updates when you are banned...is it possible?
Im waiting for alot of the SPorts games updates from EA and if I get banned, is there still a way to get these patches for the games?
Post by: mat82284 on November 06, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 6 2009, 08:10 PM)
I just assumed it was the same as a nework level ban, ie: what I would ban by, if trying to keep someone off my network. Short of banning the whole subnet (which wouldnt work for MS) , I thought perhaps it was a mac ban. logical assumption no? That was why I asked. Thanks for the info
Maybe one day a hacker could modify a firmware to a router that can take the xbox live request for the console id, and send it to the xbox then the xbox replied and the router's program takes that request and instead of reporting back that number randomizes it instead and then m$ see's a new number reported back. Shoot maybe xecuter could make a router like that and sell it. They'd make millions. Or someone could make a program on the pc to do the same, just would require you to connect your ethernet to your pc for internet instead of a router.
If something like this came out microsoft wouldnt be able to ban people because you could end up banning legit people based on a the random console id. Also legit people could use the router and firmware just because they hate m$ and want to protect them selves.
To bad i have a feeling hackers thought of this at one point in time and probably realised it was useless, or are using it for them selves to create the firmware, i couldn't image how many banned xbox's they would go through before finding out how there being banned. Let alone the amount of money for this.
Post by: the soul poet on November 06, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Funniest post i've ever read, I can't believe how stupid people can be:
here
Post by: wantin2mod on November 06, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 12:51 PM)
Ok, Can someone please clarify something. Well first off all, so far i am NOT BAN yet... I just recently learned how to RIP your Original XBOX game using WxRipper.
Here is my question: If i'm ripping from my original game, do i need to run it through ABGX to check the STEALTH PATCHES and/or VERIFY the game?? I personally think you wouldn't need to since it is the BACKUP of your ORIGINAL. I DO NOT want some random patches and AutoFix just because its not recognized in the ABGX database. I think that would be a RED FLAG to microdouches... just my theory.
If YES, then what kind of ABGX SETTING do i need to look for??
Is it safe for online gaming? chance of getting ban by microdouches?? (probably..)
I have been getting mixed suggestions and if somebody could clear this would be great!!
Thanks yall!
I rip my games using an external Kreon drive. I run my rips through abgx but have "Writes Disabled" in order that nothing gets patched to my game that I just ripped. The rip is from the original game disc so I endeavor to leave it untouched.
Is this right or wrong, I don't know. I just use abgx to scan for any problems during/after ripping.
I have not used abgx on many of the backups I've burned but I definitely will now to make sure my burn checks out good too!!!
Oh, btw, I have a feeling the banhammer is heading my way. Crap.
Post by: facex13 on November 06, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 6 2009, 11:55 AM)
Well they have changed the checks a lot look at it;
31-10-2009
Challenge/Response 18 times
PFI 5 times
DVD Structure/SS 4 times
DMI 4 times
Capacity 7 times
Inquiry 5 times
06-17-2009
Challenge/Response 12 times
PFI 9 times
DVD Structure/SS 2 times
DMI 2 times
Capacity 3 times
Inquiry 1 times
I think youre on the right track, because why else would they ban u from putting games on the hard drive, unless they need the disk to spin to detect the mod! nice work
Post by: porkchop on November 06, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
It HAS to be checking the filesystem of games stored on the HD and banning because of it - either that, or they can have a new detection method, but that doesnt seem feasible, as some people arent banned.
Anyone who IS NOT banned - do you have BACKUPS (not legit games) installed to your HD?
Post by: the soul poet on November 06, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
QUOTE(facex13 @ Nov 6 2009, 08:29 PM)
I think youre on the right track, because why else would they ban u from putting games on the hard drive, unless they need the disk to spin to detect the mod! nice work
The disc spins briefly as you select the game starting, the disc checks are performed at time of run, it can check the disc at any point also as you need the disc in to run.
Post by: Kevin Sydney on November 06, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 6 2009, 12:22 PM)
wow...talking about flashing your 360 drive on the xbox live forum...
Post by: bedojunkmail on November 06, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
QUOTE(facex13 @ Nov 6 2009, 08:29 PM)
... why else would they ban u from putting games on the hard drive, unless they need the disk to spin to detect the mod! nice work
That doesn't make any sense. You're saying that when they ban you, they prevent you from loading games on the hard drive in order to determine if they should ban you harder?
Post by: ukfreakster on November 06, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
the 2 banned ones booted red faction guerilla ran through abgx verified.
read about corrupt ss being patched by abgx tonight and checked red faction again and it patched it this time!
Post by: saosin37 on November 06, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
PS My first xbox was banned today. It was a Lite-on 1.6 and i was banned in the middle of playing. all of a sudden it just said sign in status has changed and it kicked me out. tried to sign in again and i was banned.
Post by: ^^^Maximus^^^ on November 06, 2009, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(saosin37 @ Nov 6 2009, 08:51 PM)
Well i have some really bad news guys. Somehow microsoft must be able to detect the firmware of the drive. 4 days ago i modded my buddy's brand new 360. Lite-on 7385 or whatever the 7 model number is. My buddy was banned today. Thing is he hasn't played a single burned game. He bought a retail copy of Call of Duty WAW and that is all he has played. I can guarentee that it is all he played because he doesn't know how to burn games and i didn't give him any. I can also tell you that it was completely updated before it was modded.
PS My first xbox was banned today. It was a Lite-on 1.6 and i was banned in the middle of playing. all of a sudden it just said sign in status has changed and it kicked me out. tried to sign in again and i was banned.
Was the flashing done by Jungleflasher?
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 6 2009, 03:22 PM)
awesome man.
Post by: snart on November 06, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 6 2009, 08:14 PM)
once you get banned......all your games that you have saved on your hardrive, can you still play them and continue them in single player mode?
Also, how do you get game updates when you are banned...is it possible?
Im waiting for alot of the SPorts games updates from EA and if I get banned, is there still a way to get these patches for the games?
Pull your network cable. Won't need that anymore.
Your saves will continue to work, as will your downloaded xbox live content, provided they were purchased on that console. They day your console dies, and you have to start using another box, you will lose everything.
And no more game updates, unless they're available through other means (OXM disc or gamesaving).
-snart
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Just reboot his console...still able to play online...wtf
Post by: acorn61p on November 06, 2009, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 04:11 PM)
Im currently at my buddies house. we just played with COD : WAW online (original game). Then we exit, i put in borderlands (backup) : Disconnected from XBL. Exit the game, head to the XBL Arcade games and launch Zombie Apocalypse, then it says disconnected again. I get the message : This console was banned bla bla bla...im like, fuck. My buddys like, i dont care...so i put Cod : WAW again, hit multiplayer, sign in and he's able to play online with his original game. He's still able to connect through the dash.
Just reboot his console...still able to play online...wtf
seriously WTF??!! that is strange. Does anyone have a REAL or close to a REAL answer how microdouches are doing this??!! So many mixed theories and im so confused!
Post by: centtavo79 on November 06, 2009, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 10:20 PM)
seriously WTF??!! that is strange. Does anyone have a REAL or close to a REAL answer how microdouches are doing this??!! So many mixed theories and im so confused!
I think i'll make a video so people dont call me liar...lol
He can also launch ODST without getting disconnected...and join matches...sturmovik as well
Post by: Sp00nMan on November 06, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(BottleB @ Nov 6 2009, 01:53 PM)
Although we see almost no hitachi's reporting bans...much less than lite-ons anyway
Post by: Fatalshotz on November 06, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Loomies @ Nov 6 2009, 02:17 PM)
yeah been checking past few days nad havent read anything about 1.4 getting ban. Some dude updated 1.4 to 1.6 recently and got ban tho
i have one with 1.4 that just got banned a little while ago... i had one that got banned like 2 weeks ago when the ban wave started and it had 1.5 firmware.. so now im down to my last one but if it also goes banned, then ill get me a new and live it unmodded so i can just play halo and forza3 which i got the games anyways...i guess my kids can just play backups in the other ones and i can also use them as dvd players...lol...
Post by: jkicsak on November 06, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
ive noticed by baby sounds like shit after the new FW upgrade for fucks sake the shit sounds like it will jump right ought my fucking drive. so for jitter checks this is possible ...
im gonna keep this short and report back soon . keep up the struggle
Post by: petedishnet on November 06, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(saosin37 @ Nov 6 2009, 09:51 PM)
Well i have some really bad news guys. Somehow microsoft must be able to detect the firmware of the drive. 4 days ago i modded my buddy's brand new 360. Lite-on 7385 or whatever the 7 model number is. My buddy was banned today. Thing is he hasn't played a single burned game. He bought a retail copy of Call of Duty WAW and that is all he has played. I can guarentee that it is all he played because he doesn't know how to burn games and i didn't give him any. I can also tell you that it was completely updated before it was modded.
PS My first xbox was banned today. It was a Lite-on 1.6 and i was banned in the middle of playing. all of a sudden it just said sign in status has changed and it kicked me out. tried to sign in again and i was banned.
yup, very similar to my story. they are detecting the f/w i am positive.
Post by: DemisesAngel on November 06, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
QUOTE(pchop6t9 @ Nov 6 2009, 11:00 PM)
OMG I JUST GOT BANDED THIS MORNING!!! AND LITERALLY 20 min ago i checked.. still banded.. but RITE NOW!!! i check and i got UNBANDED!!!!!! XBOX IS ON XBOX LIVE AGAIN!!!! m$ screwed up or something???
My buddy is just going to stay off the radar for now...got real lucky i guess
Post by: sonixax on November 06, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
At first sorry for bad english
I have a question .
I hav a xbox 360 Flashed , if i play backup games with a profile and connect to live with another profile that i used only original games , i bann too or not ?
Post by: HUmarX on November 06, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
QUOTE(sonixax @ Nov 6 2009, 11:27 PM)
Hi every one .
At first sorry for bad english
I have a question .
I hav a xbox 360 Flashed , if i play backup games with a profile and connect to live with another profile that i used only original games , i bann too or not ?
Best way is to try my friend
Post by: dreamss on November 06, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: acorn61p on November 06, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 06, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
So yes im sure they know if your drive is modded or not.
Im hoping that Ms make the money they want to close the year fast so he can stop banning again lol
Post by: dreamss on November 06, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 11:42 PM)
if you get banned on xboxlive, can you still get on xbox.com account? won't m$ send you an email whatever xbox is registered on to notify that you are ban?
u can allways sign in with your live account unless it got banned for playing forza early.. service.xbox.com wont show a waranty if your xbox gets banned
Post by: optixgate on November 06, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
is M$ banning the consols only or the gammertags????????
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 06, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 06:42 PM)
if you get banned on xboxlive, can you still get on xbox.com account? won't m$ send you an email whatever xbox is registered on to notify that you are ban?
If you account isnt deleted or banned then you can log in in xbox.com like normally, but if ur console is banned then u need to log in that console to know if u are banned or not.
Post by: >4Lph4Num3r1c< on November 06, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
I haven't played with my xbox for the past 6 weeks, and tonight I turned the box on. Inserted an original copy of Bioshock. Said connect to xbox live and Ban Hammer...
ixtreme 1.60 Lite-on, xbox about 6 months old.
Just for your info...
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 06, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(optixgate @ Nov 6 2009, 06:46 PM)
Its crazy that everyone is getting banned!!! i just updated my xbox to 1.61 and i turned on the box just to check to see if its still working and i was able to sign in to xbox live
is M$ banning the consols only or the gammertags????????
That depends of what u did wrong because my neighbor got console banning and GT deleted yesterday, he was playing the game that come out Nov 10 in live lol
Post by: DuBob4432 on November 06, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
the ban/unbans are just to throw everybody off - messes up the randomness even more
ms gotta make sure their quarter is highly profitable - to make up the $$ for their rrod 3yr warranty expense for making such a shitty product for the first couple years of its inception. same quality of hardware now, just they shitty cpu/gpu just don't create as much heat now, so their other shitty parts are more within their operating range.
Post by: dcjoedog on November 06, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
QUOTE(dcjoedog @ Nov 6 2009, 11:57 PM)
Add me to the ban pile, I just got mine today in the morning, oh well.Now I can ****** anymore concerns.
not to be a douche or anything but i'm pretty sure forum rules won't let you say what you did, i'd edit it.
Post by: HUmarX on November 06, 2009, 04:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Choochoo @ Nov 6 2009, 04:01 PM)
not to be a douche or anything but i'm pretty sure forum rules won't let you say what you did, i'd edit it.
not to be a douche? you're a douche.
Post by: acorn61p on November 06, 2009, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: pchop6t9 on November 06, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: Fudgebar on November 06, 2009, 04:04:00 PM
The reason I ask is because is it possible to just never log into a multiplayer game and still have things function normally, recieve updates, patches, etc ?
Also, how do people that dont have live....update their games with patches?
Post by: Choochoo on November 06, 2009, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(HUmarX @ Nov 7 2009, 12:02 AM)
not to be a douche? you're a douche.
shhhh shhh shh, go to sleep little guy. you are grumpy and tired.
Post by: The Prankster on November 06, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Cheers
Post by: Ciderdude on November 06, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
As soon as I go back to dashboard,it signs back in.
Can stay signed in and play my original Forza 3 on live,though the hard drive install no longer works
Post by: acorn61p on November 06, 2009, 04:15:00 PM
Am I wrong?? just the thought i had.
Post by: elnutsack on November 06, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: kalon on November 06, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 6 2009, 07:15 PM)
Am I wrong??
Yes.
Post by: sonixax on November 06, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(DeadlyRox @ Nov 6 2009, 11:39 PM)
Yes, for sure u are running the same risk because they will check ur console, the console will send the data via the other gamertag too so is the same as playing with any gamertag.
And if i used a profile on memory and when i want to use live remove memory card i banned too ?
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 06, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 6 2009, 07:04 PM)
Is it true that you dont actually recieve the BAN (if your scheduled to) until you log into a game and play MULTIPLAYER on LIVE? or is this heresay?
The reason I ask is because is it possible to just never log into a multiplayer game and still have things function normally, recieve updates, patches, etc ?
Also, how do people that dont have live....update their games with patches?
Mayors console update to offline players are included in some new game
, thats the because of the change of waves.Patches or game updates i dont think they can
Post by: Easton999GS on November 06, 2009, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 06, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: tonybologna on November 06, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
QUOTE
Anyone who IS NOT banned - do you have BACKUPS (not legit games) installed to your HD?
YES!
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on November 06, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE
I was banned a few minutes ago, only copied game I ever played, was Batman. And that game was successfully checked by ABGX. (That game doesn't even have an online mode. But I was logged on to Xbox Live a few times playing that game). Never played or tested any other copied game.
I haven't played with my xbox for the past 6 weeks, and tonight I turned the box on. Inserted an original copy of Bioshock. Said connect to xbox live and Ban Hammer...
ixtreme 1.60 Lite-on, xbox about 6 months old.
Just for your info...
I haven't played with my xbox for the past 6 weeks, and tonight I turned the box on. Inserted an original copy of Bioshock. Said connect to xbox live and Ban Hammer...
ixtreme 1.60 Lite-on, xbox about 6 months old.
Just for your info...
If thats true then im scared
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 06, 2009, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Biotech_1 on November 06, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
and dont forget abot KAI Lets get that back going...
Post by: HUmarX on November 06, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: BottleB on November 06, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
while he was playing nhl...but he can still download stuff from the Dash
Post by: azuziel on November 06, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: azuziel on November 07, 2009, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Misterturtle @ Nov 7 2009, 10:17 AM)
Hey, i dont know if anyone has said this already, but i dont want to read 40 pages to find out lol.
But does anyone know if the ban wave is over? Are people still getting banned, or have the non-banned boxes dodged a huge bullet?
And if it is over, do you all think they will throw some more waves at us this month?
You don't have to read the whole thread for that. Just the last few pages. i'm not making it any easier then that.
Post by: fixitman on November 07, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(crs @ Nov 7 2009, 10:17 AM)
I actually wish Microsoft would continually ban from now on.....
So do I, but for a different reason. If they continually ban, it will make it much easier to figure out how they're detecting the modifications
Post by: BottleB on November 07, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Post by: krg on November 07, 2009, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: SatanUk on November 07, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
[02:57] <+c4eva> [02:55:11] hello!
2.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:16] c4!!
3.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:28] evening c4eva
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[02:57] <+c4eva> [02:55:43] evening
5.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:46] epic entrance
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:47] as usual sir
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:48]
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:33] c4eva : lots of rumors/speculation
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:37] as usual
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:43] fw is detectable
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:48] etc etc
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:56] activate iso is detectable blah blah
13.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> realisticly sum1 said u mentioned new/stronger challenges
14.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> on media
15.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> they said u mentioned it earlier but noone could post the log
16.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> can u comment sir ?
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> enquiring minds want to know!!
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> inquiring*
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[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> nah
20.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> lots had good rips :S and lots have older fw/no wave 4 :C
21.
[02:58] <+c4eva> just to let you know that im looking into the current ban wave. I am currently running several brand new xboxs on live! These xboxs are in various configs. All are running ixtreme 1.61
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[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> excellent news
23.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> anything new in the live logs ?
24.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> new challenges? rumor about ms being able to detect speeds and inquiries : as the modded dvdrom responded faster
25.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> alot of people pulln out this old 2007 article
26.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> http://forums.xbox-s...o...798&st=2610
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[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> this shit
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[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> and
29.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> http://www.consoleha...?pid=1057#p1057
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[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> thats all pre ix tho right?
31.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> if im correct it was
32.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> and ix was introduced 2 yrs ago or so almost to address those issues no ?
33.
[02:59] <+c4eva> One is running original discs, another is running on xbl (no discs) , another is running a backup from my region!
34.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> ^^^ excellent news
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[03:00] <+c4eva> Testing is ongoing! Live logs are done daily, no changes!
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[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> nice
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[03:00] <+c4eva> Thanks!
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[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> indeed
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[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> sounds like you are/will be busy
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[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> it never ends hey
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[03:01] <+c4eva> until tests are completed, no eta on liteon fw!
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[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> ya :s
43.
[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> some sort of challenge
44.
[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> ms is sending to the dvdrom
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[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> dont think they can detect the fw
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[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> as they would mass ban
47.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> and not do small portions of users
48.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 do u believe the fw is detectable at all ?
49.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> been alot of people cryn that more then anything this week
50.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+dialtone] i did find it weird there seemed to be more c/r's in the live log this time around
51.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 any comment sir ?
52.
[03:04] <+c4eva> live logs look good!
53.
[03:06] <+c4eva> fw itself not detectable!
54.
[03:07] <@[X]nWo[X]> +c4eva] fw itself not detectable!
55.
[03:07] <@[X]nWo[X]> nice
56.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 if u had to “ guess “
57.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> what do you think might be detectable/the cause /
58.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+Fishcake] doesn't mean you should do it too....
59.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> hehe
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[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> ok
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[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> so
62.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> fw not detectable
63.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> tests going on
64.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> with origs + 1.61 / burns + 1.61 and no game + 1.61
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[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+c4eva] until tests are completed, no eta on liteon fw!
66.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> SO
67.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> yes
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[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks again c4
69.
[03:11] <+c4eva> suspect they are going hard on warez releases and incorrect use of abgx!
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[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]> hehe
71.
[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]>
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[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks c4eva
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[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> great update man
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[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks for keeping us in the loop
Post by: seven2099 on November 07, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(krg @ Nov 7 2009, 10:53 AM)
How can I install games on my hd after being banned ?
you can't your HD installs are disabled for life.
Post by: seven2099 on November 07, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Nov 7 2009, 11:00 AM)
1.
[02:57] <+c4eva> [02:55:11] hello!
2.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:16] c4!!
3.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:28] evening c4eva
4.
[02:57] <+c4eva> [02:55:43] evening
5.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:46] epic entrance
6.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:47] as usual sir
7.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:55:48]
8.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:33] c4eva : lots of rumors/speculation
9.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:37] as usual
10.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:43] fw is detectable
11.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:48] etc etc
12.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> [02:56:56] activate iso is detectable blah blah
13.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> realisticly sum1 said u mentioned new/stronger challenges
14.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> on media
15.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> they said u mentioned it earlier but noone could post the log
16.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> can u comment sir ?
17.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> enquiring minds want to know!!
18.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> inquiring*
19.
[02:57] <@[X]nWo[X]> nah
20.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> lots had good rips :S and lots have older fw/no wave 4 :C
21.
[02:58] <+c4eva> just to let you know that im looking into the current ban wave. I am currently running several brand new xboxs on live! These xboxs are in various configs. All are running ixtreme 1.61
22.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> excellent news
23.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> anything new in the live logs ?
24.
[02:58] <@[X]nWo[X]> new challenges? rumor about ms being able to detect speeds and inquiries : as the modded dvdrom responded faster
25.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> alot of people pulln out this old 2007 article
26.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> http://forums.xbox-s...o...798&st=2610
27.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> this shit
28.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> and
29.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> http://www.consoleha...?pid=1057#p1057
30.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> thats all pre ix tho right?
31.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> if im correct it was
32.
[02:59] <@[X]nWo[X]> and ix was introduced 2 yrs ago or so almost to address those issues no ?
33.
[02:59] <+c4eva> One is running original discs, another is running on xbl (no discs) , another is running a backup from my region!
34.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> ^^^ excellent news
35.
[03:00] <+c4eva> Testing is ongoing! Live logs are done daily, no changes!
36.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> nice
37.
[03:00] <+c4eva> Thanks!
38.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> indeed
39.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> sounds like you are/will be busy
40.
[03:00] <@[X]nWo[X]> it never ends hey
41.
[03:01] <+c4eva> until tests are completed, no eta on liteon fw!
42.
[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> ya :s
43.
[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> some sort of challenge
44.
[03:02] <@[X]nWo[X]> ms is sending to the dvdrom
45.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> dont think they can detect the fw
46.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> as they would mass ban
47.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> and not do small portions of users
48.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 do u believe the fw is detectable at all ?
49.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> been alot of people cryn that more then anything this week
50.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+dialtone] i did find it weird there seemed to be more c/r's in the live log this time around
51.
[03:03] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 any comment sir ?
52.
[03:04] <+c4eva> live logs look good!
53.
[03:06] <+c4eva> fw itself not detectable!
54.
[03:07] <@[X]nWo[X]> +c4eva] fw itself not detectable!
55.
[03:07] <@[X]nWo[X]> nice
56.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> c4 if u had to “ guess “
57.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> what do you think might be detectable/the cause /
58.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+Fishcake] doesn't mean you should do it too....
59.
[03:09] <@[X]nWo[X]> hehe
60.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> ok
61.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> so
62.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> fw not detectable
63.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> tests going on
64.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> with origs + 1.61 / burns + 1.61 and no game + 1.61
65.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> [+c4eva] until tests are completed, no eta on liteon fw!
66.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> SO
67.
[03:10] <@[X]nWo[X]> yes
68.
[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks again c4
69.
[03:11] <+c4eva> suspect they are going hard on warez releases and incorrect use of abgx!
70.
[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]> hehe
71.
[03:11] <@[X]nWo[X]>
72.
[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks c4eva
73.
[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> great update man
74.
[03:12] <@[X]nWo[X]> thanks for keeping us in the loop
Thats crazy. We'll see what happens man. I would for MS to just ban all his boxes and then I can chuckle a bit.
Post by: fixitman on November 07, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(krg @ Nov 7 2009, 10:53 AM)
How can I install games on my hd after being banned ?
The only way is to buy another console that hasn't been banned. It appears that the ability to put games on the HDD or play them from it is disabled when the console is banned. This happens inside the console, not on the HDD itself.
Post by: tarektaha on November 07, 2009, 09:09:00 AM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Nov 7 2009, 06:00 PM)
1.
[03:00] <+c4eva> Testing is ongoing! Live logs are done daily, no changes!
[03:00] <+c4eva> Thanks!
[03:04] <+c4eva> live logs look good!
53.
[03:06] <+c4eva> fw itself not detectable!
54.
+c4eva] fw itself not detectable![/b]
[03:11] <+c4eva> suspect they are going hard on warez releases and incorrect use of abgx![/b]
70.
The Scene GOD has spoken! To be honest even if we got banned 100 times, i just love this guy! c\
Post by: JF1980 on November 07, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
QUOTE(azuziel @ Nov 7 2009, 05:10 PM)
The proper jitter responses, as well as the more rigerous stealth checks both need to be patched. The firmware isn't detectable, not directly. *I* have better things to do then make things up, though I suppose it's a fair question. C4eva doesn't make things up either (but, not like I know him personally in the real world either), and if you'd like to look at the checks for yourself, then please visit xbins.org and compare the june and october live log files (myself, along with others have aklready posted direct links). I didn't see anything on IRC last night personally, though if there was, I wouldn't know as I was distracted with my leafs actually winning a game last night
I do know of others working on the detection methods, trial and error ban re-checks, however, c4eva (and others) group is the only one i am aware of that actually writes the firmware.
And why is "enlighten" suddenly so popular?
In any case, I hope this helps. I'll say it again, don't go on live, wait for the new firmware. If my motiviation was anything other then being helpful, I would be advising otherwise.
I wouldn't have thought C4E would mislead people by saying it isn't detectable if it is indirectly detectable. I mean detectable is detectable whether it's indirectly or not it's just a play on words.
At the end of the day if people are already flagged for a ban then waiting offline for new firmware won't help them. If they aren't flagged already then reverting to their original.bin may be a viable option. Think I was lucky enough to sneak under the radar and not get myself flagged as I only flashed to iX last weekend and booted two backups to test it. Also only booted an original game once since then due to time. Since all this kicked off I have reverted to the stock firmware and seem to be 'ok', time will tell I suppose.
Post by: azuziel on November 07, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(crs @ Nov 7 2009, 10:17 AM)
I don't know why you keep saying this, when you have no idea whether a new firmware (if it even is in the works) will prevent bans.
And, should the current ongoing bans end, it might appear that whatever new firmware comes out, might prevent bans, but then, as history and all ban reports clearly shows, people are just deluded that their firmware keeps them from being banned from Live, when it actually isn't, people have been flagged for a long time, and bans show up again.
I actually wish Microsoft would continually ban from now on, so people actually understand that no firmware is going to prevent them from being banned at some point.
You're right. I'm not going to argue with you. Don't wait for the firmware. go get banned. Because c4eva writes bad firmware all the time, and doesn't know what he's doing and his firmware hasnt had you playing ban free up until now, for years. Do what you want. Just try not to infect others
"[03:00] <+c4eva> Testing is ongoing! Live logs are done daily, no changes!
Looks like you're right, he's not testing anything at all. As i said, just go get banned, and stop arguing with people
Post by: krg on November 07, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: Fudgebar on November 07, 2009, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 7 2009, 12:01 AM)
FOlks can someone answer this.....I have alot of saved games, careers, franchises ongoing right now....my system has not been banned yet. If it gets banned will I still be able to still load these saved games (some games were installed to the Hard Drive, some where not)
Your answer will help me decide whether or not I should plug the system into Live or not
thanks
I got a question....if I get banned, and I have a game like Borderlands installed on my HD, will I be able to resume my career after I reload the game from CD ?
Im a little confused as to what I will lose if I get banned?....I really dont play on Live, I just play single player stuff.
And also I download of game updates and patches for stuff like NBA Live and Madden.....is there a way to still get game patches other than thru LIVE?
thanks
Post by: sdboltdude on November 07, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
first ban since og ban 2006
dvd-benq first f.w. 1.6
used ck3 to mod drive
never used active disk
never played wave 4 or tried to load wave 4
i did have games d.l. to hdd
I always thougt i had a better chance of not getting badded because of ripping my own games from a og disk via xbc
i deserve everything that happened and thank c4e for all his effort and hard work
this has been a good fight so far cant wait for the next round & hope c4e will punch m$ right below the belt...
only question do i reformat hdd and if so should i use banned console or another 360 dont care about game saves or anything else.....
Post by: hessec on November 07, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
Drive: Liteon 83850c
Firmware: iXtreme 1.6
Played Wave4: No
Activate.iso: No
Borderlands: Yes
MU Memory: 512MB
Hard Drive Connected: No
Disc in Tray during ban: DVD video
Last Played Game: GTA IV (original)
Modded With CK3 (never used xbox 360 for drive power)
Never turned on 360 without DVD Drive
-Only played ABGX verified games!
Post by: linflas on November 07, 2009, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: Fudgebar on November 07, 2009, 09:43:00 AM
If you get banned, can you still play your collection of games from the disk drive and save your progress, career, franchises, game saves to your console?
Im not talking about installing actual games to the HARD DRIVE. I know you lose that feature but why do people really care so much??.....this is only a pretty new feature that we didnt even have last year.
Why does it matter to people so much if we can simply play the games from the CD and save achievements, progress, and make game saves to the console??....or can we if its banned?
Can someone clarify what they are STILL able to do Offline with a BAN?
I really dont care about LIVE and MULTIPLAYER stuff at all....the only time I use Live is when I need to download and install patches to the games ( Is there a workaround for this if you get banned?)
Post by: ItsAJackal on November 07, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
I was banned about a week ago. Still not sure why, but that's not my issue right now.
I had been playing Borderlands, and wanted to play local split screen with a buddy. So I went out and purchased a memory card unit to transfer my game. I copied my game over, and headed over to his house.
While there, I remembered that saves are linked to your profile, so I recovered my gamertag on his console (huge mistake)
Went to load up the save game, and it was corrupt. Only now do I know that having a console ban corrupts your save files if you attempt to move them to another console.
So I get home and today wanted to make sure my save game was still working, and my gamertag is gone. It claims since it was used on another console, I need to recover it again.
...
but I don't have live, and can't connect to live.
Is there ANY way to get my gamertag back on my banned console?
I absolutely refuse to purchase a new Xbox, and if I just lose my save games and have to create a new profile, so be it...I just really wanted to make sure I had zero options before doing that.
Thanks.
Post by: SatanUk on November 07, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Fudgebar @ Nov 7 2009, 05:43 PM)
Im a little confused about something...I havent been banned yet:
If you get banned, can you still play your collection of games from the disk drive and save your progress, career, franchises, game saves to your console?
Im not talking about installing actual games to the HARD DRIVE. I know you lose that feature but why do people really care so much??.....this is only a pretty new feature that we didnt even have last year.
Why does it matter to people so much if we can simply play the games from the CD and save achievements, progress, and make game saves to the console??....or can we if its banned?
Can someone clarify what they are STILL able to do Offline with a BAN?
I really dont care about LIVE and MULTIPLAYER stuff at all....the only time I use Live is when I need to download and install patches to the games ( Is there a workaround for this if you get banned?)
dude look up a few posts and you will see my huge post on exactly what you have just asked
Post by: krg on November 07, 2009, 09:49:00 AM
QUOTE(krg @ Nov 7 2009, 05:23 PM)
Before use my Elite like a brick, there is a chance that someone can reverse something and make it possible to install games on HDD again.... I don't care about XBL. but I cant live without running games directly from the HDD ??????
No workaround ?
Post by: Fudgebar on November 07, 2009, 09:53:00 AM
I dont care about not being able to INSTALL GAMES to the HARD DRIVE. I just want to know if my console gets banned can I still load my game saves on my banned system and play?
Also, I DO have some games installed on the Hard Drive now....If I get banned, Will I be able to now run those games from the DVD drive and play game saves from those games too
Is there any preparation that I can do that can help me NOW do those things above BEFORE I get banned?
For example, Like uninstall the games from the HD and run them from the disks and resave my game saves or something?
thanks for your help
Post by: ItsAJackal on November 07, 2009, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(ItsAJackal @ Nov 7 2009, 05:44 PM)
I have a question and thought this would probably be the best to ask...a lot of knowledgeable people in here.
I was banned about a week ago. Still not sure why, but that's not my issue right now.
I had been playing Borderlands, and wanted to play local split screen with a buddy. So I went out and purchased a memory card unit to transfer my game. I copied my game over, and headed over to his house.
While there, I remembered that saves are linked to your profile, so I recovered my gamertag on his console (huge mistake)
Went to load up the save game, and it was corrupt. Only now do I know that having a console ban corrupts your save files if you attempt to move them to another console.
So I get home and today wanted to make sure my save game was still working, and my gamertag is gone. It claims since it was used on another console, I need to recover it again.
...
but I don't have live, and can't connect to live.
Is there ANY way to get my gamertag back on my banned console?
I absolutely refuse to purchase a new Xbox, and if I just lose my save games and have to create a new profile, so be it...I just really wanted to make sure I had zero options before doing that.
Thanks.
Also, since I still have my memory card and I believe my profile is still on my friend's console, could I simply go to his house, and run the recovery and install the gamertag to my memory card, and then use it on my box?
Post by: azuziel on November 07, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(crs @ Nov 7 2009, 11:23 AM)
Now you're just being childish.
While being able to play backups on Live is on one side thanks to c4eva (I'm not trying to disrespect the guy), in an ironic sense it's just as much thanks to Microsoft. In all likelihood they could have started banning some people earlier, but they waited until a seemingly appropriate time to do a major ban session instead.
No I was being sarcastic
No worries man, you're right to question. I'm just a little cranky and tired.
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 07, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
And about that log of the problem can be warez releases and abgx problems, when comes a ban time he always mention that
.If he get banned in those branded new consoles you will know that they are testing in the fly and not collecting any data. Im not saying they dont collect data but what im saying is they can ban you without it lol.
Btw for those of you saying that Ms collects data all over the years are very wrong because my neighbors Xbox is just 2 weeks old, he played a backup made from my original Halo odst, Batman from somewhere and BORDERLAND from other where too lol and he got banned.
Still have 2 friends lucky
one of them have been banned in the past bans like 3 times, he have like 203 played games, early and not early, originals and backups, doesn't even cheked by the shitty abgx and as right now he still in live ???
The other one is plus less the same as above but this one have MW2 too as game played offline and he still in live ?? lol
thats weird, maybe they are in the list of test and soon will be banned :S
BTW: anyone of the banned tried to open another account of the same hdd (not your main) in other unbanned xbox and still be able to load saves ? or it will corrupt all saves from all users in that hdd ?
Post by: mat82284 on November 07, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(d-range @ Nov 7 2009, 03:04 PM)
My own theory remains that Microsoft collects data on all kinds of 'suspicious' activity going on on your box, like pre-release games online, 100s of different games played, messing around with the clock to hide playing pre-releases, discs with anomalities, that kind of stuff. But they don't ban you on that alone, they just put you on a list that makes you elegible for the final test-of-death that actively queries the drive as soon as you go online. If it fails this final check, you're out. Maybe not even straight away, they might even hold off until you log in and out again, just to add to the confusion.
One other thing I was thinking about is savegames. Some people still argue disconnecting the network cable and hdd and not logging in to live while playing backups will keep you safe, although this has been disproven over and over again. Speculation is where and how Microsoft might log this info. The answer might be ridiculously easy and the savegame corruption that people are experiencing right now might support my theory: when you're playing a game you will always make savegames no matter what, no-one only plays the first bit of a game over and over again, or the whole game in one go. So chances are every savegame has some block of metadata attached to it that not only ties it to the console and gamertag (this is confirmed knowledge) but can also contain all kinds of status info and flags about your last session. Microsoft wiping out this data after you're banned, corrupting the saves for that particular console, makes perfect sense to me, they don't want anyone peeking at the savegames of a banned console (even though they're encrypted) and find out some clue related to the bans.
Thats a good theory, i wouldnt be suprised if this is the case at all. What a better place to hide that special info than in a game save (somewhere no one would look) and another reason it makes sense, is everyone gets banned after trying to relog into a game they have already played meaning the first login sent there data, microsoft seen the nono, and banned.
My xbox hasn't been online since august of 2009, I never did the recent update via xbox live. I didnt even realize there was one in till i turned my system on yesterday. I turned it on to check live status and so far its still up and running. I never accepted the new update, mostly because im sure that's the update that's been keeping track of things. I bet the new update was to get the information supplied through the game saves? or something else. If anyone is willing to take the risk to play online, they should remove there hard drive, play there games on live and not save anything. Then see if they get banned, but if your already flagged we wouldn't know the true result, unless you last online a 1-2weeks then its the saves reporting the jitter information.
QUOTE(DeadlyRox @ Nov 7 2009, 06:46 PM)
Btw for those of you saying that Ms collects data all over the years are very wrong because my neighbors Xbox is just 2 weeks old, he played a backup made from my original Halo odst, Batman from somewhere and BORDERLAND from other where too lol and he got banned.
Actually but what you said is backwords. Microsoft could be detecting data well over the years, but new systems still report them as well. The difference is microsoft probably found a good sure way to detect copied discs and so they ban accordingly. There have been reports of new systems getting banned right away.
If microsoft hasnt been detecting stuff over the years, you would have had a system that played copies 1-3 years back and continued to play them today without ever going on live. Then connect to live and not play any backups and see if you get banned. If you do, they then they have been logging it since the beginning. If not, then the logging started at some update with xbox live.
Post by: clouduz on November 07, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(darkstar1337 @ Nov 7 2009, 01:23 PM)
I don't know if this will help or not but I thought I'd add my two cents anyway. My son has been playing on live just fine all week with the 3rd wave firmware however today he wanted it upgraded so we put the 4th wave firmware on and he was banned within minutes of it being put on. Now this may be just a coincidence but its a strange one to say the least!
not sure about that b/c i put the newest on maybe Monday and been on everyday since then except the last days b/c more and more are being banned
Post by: RedXIII70 on November 07, 2009, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: Zod5000 on November 07, 2009, 01:12:00 PM
QUOTE(darkstar1337 @ Nov 7 2009, 12:23 PM)
I don't know if this will help or not but I thought I'd add my two cents anyway. My son has been playing on live just fine all week with the 3rd wave firmware however today he wanted it upgraded so we put the 4th wave firmware on and he was banned within minutes of it being put on. Now this may be just a coincidence but its a strange one to say the least!
Doubt it, I upgrade from from 1.6 to 1.6.1 earlier in the week. Not banned.
We're still figuring it out, but I don't think Live is banning on the fly? Historically they gather data over a long period of time, and then have a banwave. If you've done you're homework you might realize that its not something you did that its not necessarily what you did that day that caused the ban, could of been something you did 3 month, 6 months, 12 months ago... I'm guessing its a co-incidence.
Post by: D4Ru73K on November 07, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: DeadlyRox on November 07, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 7 2009, 04:12 PM)
We're still figuring it out, but I don't think Live is banning on the fly? Historically they gather data over a long period of time, and then have a banwave. If you've done you're homework you might realize that its not something you did that its not necessarily what you did that day that caused the ban, could of been something you did 3 month, 6 months, 12 months ago... I'm guessing its a co-incidence.
Did you read any post before yours ?
we are telling that we got xbox from only 2 weeks new or brand new and they got an insta ban lol.
So no collecting, is in stream :S
And it cant be tracking your GT neither because this xboxs of my neighbors have new accounts too :S
Post by: Dermy on November 07, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
I backed up most saves before I was banned. Some were movable only so I moved those to the memory card after it was banned. As long as I didn't load my save on the banned console they should be fine right? And I know I will have to recover my profile on the new console.
Should I sell at ebay or gamestop?
Post by: darkstar1337 on November 07, 2009, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(D4Ru73K @ Nov 7 2009, 09:35 PM)
Gotta a question dudes. All of you banned are from USA/Canada? I'm from Europe and tracking this thread. Microsoft is amazing this time, HDD, saves, gamertag. Like one dude said this isn't ban wave, that's bantsunami against us. Any idea how long it gonna take? I hope until wednesday next week coz I've bought MW2 and wanna play
UK here
Post by: sdboltdude on November 07, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Nov 7 2009, 01:12 PM)
Doubt it, I upgrade from from 1.6 to 1.6.1 earlier in the week. Not banned.
We're still figuring it out, but I don't think Live is banning on the fly? Historically they gather data over a long period of time, and then have a banwave. If you've done you're homework you might realize that its not something you did that its not necessarily what you did that day that caused the ban, could of been something you did 3 month, 6 months, 12 months ago... I'm guessing its a co-incidence.
i have not done anything diferent the last 3 years "great run thanks c4e" i never put in active disk never used torrents always used kreon ( sammy & pioner) to do my dirty work and band ....
its the $$$$ we have to pay to play ....cant wait for the fix.....and thank c4e for already getting er done
Post by: geeck on November 07, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: snmp on November 07, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
only game i played early was batman on a nonlive account
all other games were played atleast a week after street release and abgx verify
however my elite is still running fine
no early play
who knows how they are detecting it. im sure c4e will have an answer shortly for us once hes done testing.
i dont know if anybody else is testing this, but running the xbox on a shared internet connection from a pc, and using ethereal might reap some results on what m$ is asking for or looking for from the xbox, via ethernet.
Post by: theybannedjesus2 on November 07, 2009, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: snmp on November 07, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
if your console is banned, than you can just pop ur hdd in another console and you will be fine.
if ur gtag is banned you will have to start another one.
Post by: run187 on November 07, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
as was a friend of mine always run games threw abgx360 level 3 i knew it had to happen at some point
a email at least after it happened would of been nice
they then insult me with email telling me zune tests are going on well thanks for the info that will help me no fn end ..
Post by: BenJeremy on November 07, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
A couple of things to note, just for those late to the party, or to clarify those common myths that people stll hold about the bans.
- Disconnecting from Live will not prevent you from being banned
Whatever methods they use to detect your system is modded, they can employ them at any time, and likely do. These checks can be deployed using the dashboard, or even in game code itself. Once you are flagged, it s simply a matter of notifying the Microsoft servers once you do connect, whether or you have a game disc (original or backup) inserted or not.
All you can do is DELAY the banning. You may do this to prevent loss of save games, by transferring them to a memory unit, or removing your hard drive entirely. - Microsoft does not ban everybody who is flagged as running a modded Xbox 360
This is the whole point of a ban wave. t is designed to confuse "the enemy" - i.e. prevent hackers from singling out a common factor. you might call this the "not banned lottery" - some users caught up in a November Ban Wave may have been flagged the previous year, but lucked out and were randomly left off. - You do not have to be logged in to Live for them to detect a modded Xbox 360
As stated above, detection happens at any time. Once flagged, any time before the wave, Microsoft will quietly collect the data, and the clock is then ticking for your console. You might luck out and miss the ban wave, but it has nothing to do with not running a backup during connecton to Live. - There are multiple ways Microsoft uses to detect modded firmwares
Bad rips are obvious, so are poison pills. We don't see any evidence that there have been any poison pills since last year's impossibly signed developer's builds. Microsoft has also employed some checks with varying degrees of success. The current theory has centered around the timing of responses form hacked drives versus unhacked drives. It may be these checks can occur regardless of the disc inserted in the drive. This would be an indirect method to detect modded firmware (as all of Microsoft's methods to date) - Your IP is not used to determine you have a banned Xbox 360
Seriously, this is a dumb theory. Microsoft does not have vast IT resources datamining users, making profiles based on their IPs and then selecting consoles to ban based on this. I really don't feel like explaining, yet again, the many, many reasons they'd never do this. Suffice it to say, this is NOT done. Nobody will get banned based on their IP, related to anything they've posted, anything they've downloaded on P2P (if they have that, a nastygram to your ISP would take care of things), or yyour membership to any scene site.
I hope this clears up a few things. Please don't argue with me about these points.
Post by: Hoescout on November 07, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
It said "you cant acces some Live content but still send messages and play online". Smth like that. He wasnt banned back then, next day he was, same as a buddy as I said before. So if anyone gets that message- dont ever go live again.
Post by: mat82284 on November 07, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Hoescout @ Nov 7 2009, 10:51 PM)
ok my cousin got busted today 2.
he has a liteon 1.6, he never played any recent games (forza, border, tekken, gta, mw.. nothing!)
he played last month only cod5/cod4 with original disc online, never ever played a game early.
unles he was flagged few months before, motherfukcers know a way of telling your drive is modded even if a retail disk is inside by some timing check or w/e. They cant check the FW itself alright, but they can tell if something is different to the original one for sure.
One important thing he noticed, he got a weird message when logging on live 1 day before he got banned, same as one of my xbl buddies did before he got banned, also 1-2 days before he got busted:
It said "you cant acces some Live content but still send messages and play online". Smth like that. He wasnt banned back then, next day he was, same as a buddy as I said before. So if anyone gets that message- dont ever go live again.
I bet the reason people with legit games are getting banned is because of the Iextreme firmware. Maybe they screwed up and forgot to leave the timing alone for the originals and make sure the buffer doesnt run when an original is placed in the drive. Basically to run a copied game it loads the data from a buffer, What if this data is being sent when an original is also being run, so it actually looks like the console is running a backup when its not at all. If timing and jitter is there detection method this would explain why my friend got banned only running originals and never any backups. However his drive did start to screw up on its own an got the open disc error a lot.
Another theory i was thinking about that may work, is the boot disc. It was made to ad stealth to each game. Maybe by running that before each game (even stealthed ones) could override the ABGX modified one??
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 07, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
UK
Liteon 7xxxx
iXtreme 1.6
Post by: acorn61p on November 07, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: tonybologna on November 07, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 7 2009, 06:31 PM)
so i want to know the LUCKY people who are still standing strong and playing their modded xbox and still not ban?? anyone??
ME, but I have disconnected from Live for the time being.
Post by: carlosmind on November 07, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
late-on 1.61
2 install games SF4 - CoD4MW1
Verbatim.
none wave 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
only old games.
somebody here ban using a non-mod xbox 360?
Post by: RedXIII70 on November 07, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
QUOTE(carlosmind @ Nov 7 2009, 07:57 PM)
Well banned here Puerto Rico.
late-on 1.61
There is no Lite-On 1.61 yet.
Post by: clouduz on November 07, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(RedXIII70 @ Nov 7 2009, 06:05 PM)
There is no Lite-On 1.61 yet.
lmao perhaps that's why he's banned using a future firmware that currently doesn't exist!
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 07, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(clouduz @ Nov 8 2009, 12:15 AM)
lmao perhaps that's why he's banned using a future firmware that currently doesn't exist!
lololololololololololol
That's why we can't get to the bottom of this & we shouldn't trust anything anyone says.
People can't even tell what f***ing firmware they have.
Just leave it to C4eva - he/she is the only person that can be relied on for accurate information.
Post by: Loomies on November 07, 2009, 06:04:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 7 2009, 05:31 PM)
so i want to know the LUCKY people who are still standing strong and playing their modded xbox and still not ban?? anyone??
still surviving and so is my cousin. been playing retail MW1 tho
Post by: jkicsak on November 07, 2009, 06:42:00 PM
should i stay offline and wait for the next FW or play and get butt fucked like the rest bc ik its a matter of time ive been playing the last few days but its just risky as shit since this is the time shits hitting the fan. ive been playing on this beauty since 07 and when i got it the dude put some weird ass FW on it not ixtreme could someone help me out and tell me what was around back in the day. well i had no idea about verification or any of that.
Key points: benq 1.61
passed all ban "waves" since 07
played games non checked up until about late 08 when i learned about abgx
upgraded to the unknown mod fw to 1.5 then 1.6 then 1.61
played mw2 offline with hard drive out . threw in a few backups to run ( heard the 360 could save last game played in mem) nand i think
played no wave 4 games online or offline with hdd in
hope this help and is spread to the people who need it because this is imprtant info
Post by: xboxer360 on November 07, 2009, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Nemesis2007 on November 07, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
XBox: Opus
DVD Drive version: Ben Q (iXtreme 1.61)
Age of console: opus motherboard no hdmi
HDD size: 20GB
HDD official or fake: Official
Country: USA
Used Activate.iso?: No
Played Wave 4: No
Wave of the last game played: 4
Played an early release: No
Received Achievement on Early Release: No
Last played games: GTA:TBOGT, Tekken 6, Borderlands
Allways verfied Games: Yes
Don't know how they are doing it got at least 5 people i know all played it safe like me all banned but somehow i'm still here but i'm sure i'm next
Post by: kiwimods on November 07, 2009, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(RedXIII70 @ Nov 8 2009, 01:05 PM)
There is no Lite-On 1.61 yet.
I believe he is refering to the "Late-on 1.61" indead there is no liteon-on 1.61 out yet but the "lateon 1.61" is definatly out, you have to be in the know to get it and be special, i just dont know why thay called it the late on when it was early ;-)
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 8 2009, 12:31 PM)
so i want to know the LUCKY people who are still standing strong and playing their modded xbox and still not ban?? anyone??
i have over 200 people going strong still. most of them did not use downloaded games as the Internet connection is pretty shit here eg costs over $1 per gb to download and games are 7-8GB, most used a kreon drive and xbc to make there backups. some of them probably dont connect to live also.
my flatmate plays hard out online borderlands everything he is still going strong. never verified and games as he had ripped himself however he did verify borderlands. but he is still able to go online.
Post by: PRiME2008 on November 07, 2009, 07:28:00 PM
I have a PS3 as well and have no issues with Sony because they built something that's going to last. MS deserve to be dissolved if you ask me, lol extreme but common they are pigs so those going on about how everyone deserves to have there consoles exploded and how MS deserves money from them are seriously kidding themselves, and possibly so rich also they don't know that most the world is in a recession over big corporate companies like MS being greedy a-holes.
PS. feel free to flame me, I won't reply.
Post by: kiwimods on November 07, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(acorn61p @ Nov 8 2009, 03:17 PM)
If what everyone says is true (about if you modded your X and played games online in the past, you are probably flagged), then there is NO POINT of HIDDING!! We're all just paranoid and scared to be banned online, but i think staying off line until this banhammer wave won't help us.
We took our risk and modded our boxes, so let us keep taking our risks and just enjoy ourselves and PLAY ON! We're doing everything we can to "prevent" the banning by stealth checking, patching, etc etc.
And we already know the WORST CASE scenarios! If you get banned then use the BANNED Box to keep on playing SINGLE player games and other great future games like (FF13!!). And save up and get another box and use that for ONLINE purposes!
dont be stupid, if they play online there xbox not only gets banned but other functionality is lost. i for example cannot download a game to my hard drive and emulate from it, this really extends the life of your dvd drive.
some say media center does not work, but i found that crappy to begin with, maybe i just dont know how to use it.
another thing, if you console is not already banned, when a solution is found your just ensuring the console is offline only by going online and being impatient.
Post by: carlosmind on November 07, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
Console modded with 1.6
Lite On
now cool lol
it was, i was reading to much 1.61
Post by: centtavo79 on November 07, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: hyfall381 on November 07, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
QUOTE(centtavo79 @ Nov 8 2009, 05:25 AM)
What I gather from reading all this posts, is that you can recover your gamertag on your hdd with an unbanned unmodded xbox and be able to go back on live. If you take your hdd and put it back on your ban xbox your profile gets corrupted and any achivements you get while playing on your banned xbox wont count once you hook it back to your unmodded xbox. What about you get a gamestop used 360 and before you do any flashing you update it and then flash the drive, never hook it up to live and just play your backups to get the achivements. It wont corrupt your gamertag because its never been banned since you never hook it up to live, right?
im pretty sure youre right. i have 3 xboxs. 1 got banned yesterday. that caused my gamer profile to get corrupt.
i used my 2nd modded xbox that hasnt been banned to recover my gamer profile.
just now, i put my hdd into my 3rd xbox, which isnt modded, and my gamer profile is just fine.
so youre likely right. modded or not, your gamer profile, saves and achievements will be fine, as long as that hdd isnt being used in the xbox it was in when that xbox got banned.
if you were to use it in that banned xbox again, it would once again cause the corruption. and any points/saves from then on wouldnt count. and once you put that hdd back into an unmodded, or unbanned xbox, youd have to recover your gamertag again.
i gotta say, thats a pretty smart way for MS to really fight back. it sucks, but now that its happened to me, i can honestly say that having a banned xbox, especially one that will screw up your profile and not let achievement points and game saves count, really blows! it turns me off from the idea of modding any 360s i may get in the future. and that... obviously, is their whole point.
Post by: BenJeremy on November 08, 2009, 12:54:00 AM
QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 7 2009, 06:36 PM)
Reality Check:
A couple of things to note, just for those late to the party, or to clarify those common myths that people stll hold about the bans.
- Disconnecting from Live will not prevent you from being banned
Whatever methods they use to detect your system is modded, they can employ them at any time, and likely do. These checks can be deployed using the dashboard, or even in game code itself. Once you are flagged, it s simply a matter of notifying the Microsoft servers once you do connect, whether or you have a game disc (original or backup) inserted or not.
All you can do is DELAY the banning. You may do this to prevent loss of save games, by transferring them to a memory unit, or removing your hard drive entirely. - Microsoft does not ban everybody who is flagged as running a modded Xbox 360
This is the whole point of a ban wave. t is designed to confuse "the enemy" - i.e. prevent hackers from singling out a common factor. you might call this the "not banned lottery" - some users caught up in a November Ban Wave may have been flagged the previous year, but lucked out and were randomly left off. - You do not have to be logged in to Live for them to detect a modded Xbox 360
As stated above, detection happens at any time. Once flagged, any time before the wave, Microsoft will quietly collect the data, and the clock is then ticking for your console. You might luck out and miss the ban wave, but it has nothing to do with not running a backup during connecton to Live. - There are multiple ways Microsoft uses to detect modded firmwares
Bad rips are obvious, so are poison pills. We don't see any evidence that there have been any poison pills since last year's impossibly signed developer's builds. Microsoft has also employed some checks with varying degrees of success. The current theory has centered around the timing of responses form hacked drives versus unhacked drives. It may be these checks can occur regardless of the disc inserted in the drive. This would be an indirect method to detect modded firmware (as all of Microsoft's methods to date) - Your IP is not used to determine you have a banned Xbox 360
Seriously, this is a dumb theory. Microsoft does not have vast IT resources datamining users, making profiles based on their IPs and then selecting consoles to ban based on this. I really don't feel like explaining, yet again, the many, many reasons they'd never do this. Suffice it to say, this is NOT done. Nobody will get banned based on their IP, related to anything they've posted, anything they've downloaded on P2P (if they have that, a nastygram to your ISP would take care of things), or yyour membership to any scene site.
I'd like to add the following that I explained to somebody in a PM:
Most people are currently thinking that it's a timing and consistency issue. Responses from an unmodded drive may have jitter that NEVER exists in a modded drive, and the timing may be consistently different between the two for some security challenges... timing difference that are so consistent, that failing drives also do not exhibit the same characteristics of a modded drive.
I'm sure Microsoft has scrutinized every query/response with a fine tooth comb, taking thousands of samples from every drive model, every firmware, hacked and unhacked, and multiple units of the same models, and determined some difference that they could spot. Then they took samples of everybody's drives. They'd see patterns, and those that had run poison pills, or bad releases we consistently in the range of values that they had measured for the hacked drives, none matched the value ranges for the unhacked. Then they looked at the number of games run... and probably found a majority of suspected systems had run a large number (100 or more) games.
Once that's done, they wait until the ban wave and roll them out. If people complain about unfair bannings, the re-examine the data they have and decide on reprieves, or escalate the investigation to examinign the console for tampering.
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I certainly hope C4Eva is looking at this possibility more closely.
Post by: Robusto on November 08, 2009, 04:47:00 AM
For what it's worth I am in India - perhaps the ban wave moves geographically?
Post by: 3-ranger on November 08, 2009, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(centtavo79 @ Nov 8 2009, 05:25 AM)
What I gather from reading all this posts, is that you can recover your gamertag on your hdd with an unbanned unmodded xbox and be able to go back on live. If you take your hdd and put it back on your ban xbox your profile gets corrupted and any achivements you get while playing on your banned xbox wont count once you hook it back to your unmodded xbox. What about you get a gamestop used 360 and before you do any flashing you update it and then flash the drive, never hook it up to live and just play your backups to get the achivements. It wont corrupt your gamertag because its never been banned since you never hook it up to live, right?
But...
When i have two boxes
1. unbanned, flashed and forever offline with a HDD
2. unflashed, online
On the 1. played save the games on take it over to the 2.Box
ist it possible?
thx
Post by: D4Ru73K on November 08, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Robusto @ Nov 8 2009, 12:47 PM)
For what it's worth I am in India - perhaps the ban wave moves geographically?
From India huh I've got friends from there
No one knows what's going on, Microsoft as I said is amazing this time. I just want to past through this ban halloween party and play some hardcore games. Fortunately I'm from Poland and mayby as you know we even don't have official Live but couple of guys got banned 1-2 days ago so I don't want to take the risk. I think as well this time will be no point of time when ban wave is finished like before 
Post by: aWholeNewMe on November 08, 2009, 06:09:00 AM
What do those with more knowledge than myself think of this scenario. Are we safe if -
We have 2 Xbox 360's.
1. Modded (not banned), playing backups with hard drive, always offline. ALWAYS.
2. Non-modded Xbox 360, using the same hard drive as the modded one (switching back and forth) and used to play originals online.
I mean could they send out a ban to the hard drive that then bans the offline system when the hard drive is plugged in? And could they record that the offline one is modded onto the hard drive and send that to MS when it's connected to the unmodded (although I'm probably already flagged).
I'm thinking not, but interested in others opinion. I really don't want to lose my saves, play from hard drive function or my achievements from my backups.
Thanks for any and all opinions.
Post by: BottleB on November 08, 2009, 07:04:00 AM
Post by: hyfall381 on November 08, 2009, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(aWholeNewMe @ Nov 8 2009, 02:09 PM)
Seems to me the game is over/ Well done Microsoft, we can no longer play modded systems online (unless you don't care about the features you are going to lose). Appears there is no safe way to avoid this anymore. Good for them. So here is my question...
What do those with more knowledge than myself think of this scenario. Are we safe if -
We have 2 Xbox 360's.
1. Modded (not banned), playing backups with hard drive, always offline. ALWAYS.
2. Non-modded Xbox 360, using the same hard drive as the modded one (switching back and forth) and used to play originals online.
I mean could they send out a ban to the hard drive that then bans the offline system when the hard drive is plugged in? And could they record that the offline one is modded onto the hard drive and send that to MS when it's connected to the unmodded (although I'm probably already flagged).
I'm thinking not, but interested in others opinion. I really don't want to lose my saves, play from hard drive function or my achievements from my backups.
Thanks for any and all opinions.
this is exactly what im doing now. i have a modded xbox thats NOT banned and is ALWAYS offline. its not even plugged in. I have another xbox thats never been modded before. 100% legit.
the hdd i use in both of them is one that was in an xbox that was banned 2 days ago. after recovering gamertag and all that, everything is fine in the two unbanned xboxs.
a modded xbox wont corrupt your stuff. a banned one will. so i can play backups and save games and get achievements in my unbanned modded xbox and still have it all there when that hdd is in the unmodded xbox.
Post by: afhaaljap on November 08, 2009, 09:36:00 AM
QUOTE(jlgreen420 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:02 PM)
What would really be fucked up is if you bought a used console that had been flashed but hadn't been banned yet. If you didn't know it had been flashed, and had only been playing retail games and then got banned. I would be pissed.
my friend got that, he got to play xbl for 1 month. But he got banned, then he checked the seal, it was broken. He asked me to take a look at it: it didn't have ixtreme firmware on it, but it had a samsung m28 spoofed to m25 (with original firmware), maybe the spoof caused the ban?
Post by: Flook on November 08, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Hitachi drive 1.51 firmware.
Post by: Merumeru on November 08, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
XBox: XP i dunno
DVD Drive version: Lite-On
Age of console: No idea XP
HDD size: 20GB
HDD official or fake: Official
Country: USA
Used Activate.iso?: Yep
Played Wave 4: Yep
Wave of the last game played: 4
Played an early release: XD yah not logged in on any profile though with no HDD connected
Received Achievement on Early Release: Nope
Last played games: Tekken 6, Bakugan, MW2
Allways verfied Games: Nah XP if its a game i really wanna play and it aint verified, ill take the risk
Post by: bluemeane on November 08, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...
But if so, can the do that legally? I mean the games saves, are not intellectual property of MS, and they aren't owned by them. They are ours, and we put the time into said games to create those saves... I don't see how they can legally do that. Also does the XBL Agreement state that you will lose HDD install ability if you get banned for breaking the rules of the agreement? Because the ability to install the games is something that they advertise as part of the XBOX 360's abilities when you buy it. And you dont need to go online for it to work, so it isnt tied to live in any way.
So if it isn't stated in the agreement that we agree to when we pay for live, then they cant legally take away a advertised feature of something we paid Microsoft for, unless they refund part of what we paid for it.
Am I right?
Post by: seven2099 on November 08, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(bluemeane @ Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM)
I have a question for everyone....
So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...
But if so, can the do that legally? I mean the games saves, are not intellectual property of MS, and they aren't owned by them. They are ours, and we put the time into said games to create those saves... I don't see how they can legally do that. Also does the XBL Agreement state that you will lose HDD install ability if you get banned for breaking the rules of the agreement? Because the ability to install the games is something that they advertise as part of the XBOX 360's abilities when you buy it. And you dont need to go online for it to work, so it isnt tied to live in any way.
So if it isn't stated in the agreement that we agree to when we pay for live, then they cant legally take away a advertised feature of something we paid Microsoft for, unless they refund part of what we paid for it.
Am I right?
you might wanna QQ because its ALL in their ToS agreement. In another thread (i dont wanna go look for it i'm too lazy) some guy copy pasted verbatim and linked to read ToS.. clearly states they can even "legally" (according to the ToS) disable/modify stuff on your computer (YOUR COMPUTER!!! I know?!!??! WTH!!!) if it means improving their services or keeping their services safe.
so yeah. QQ QQ
Least my xbox wasnt banned and will NEVER go on live again. Gonna do the XeLL hack and just run linux on it for kicks.
HA! a linux machine that actually runs games flawlessly..!!? On MS hardware.. take that!
Post by: garyopa on November 08, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
QUOTE(bluemeane @ Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM)
I have a question for everyone....
So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...
The problem is no one seems to understand clearly, what is happening here.
Your console is banned from LIVE becaused it was clearly modded.
As such to protect the legit users of LIVE, M$ in some cases (not all bans), can REVOKE your ConsoleID, when they do so the following will happen ontop of the ban:
Gamesaves will appear "corrupted" on a legit console, or another ban console, other then you own,
people just don't understand the actual contents of the "GameSave" does not change in anyway,
it does not get "corrupted" by M$, what has happen is your ConsoleID has been REVOKEd by M$,
this means, all other Consoles will not understand your Gamesaves since they were signed by the
original banned console which now has been added to a list of REVOKEd ID's, this list is included in
all future dashboard updates, and gets stored in ever single console out there, to stop you from using
"revoked" gamesaves, etc. on legit untouched console (or for that matter other banned consoles).
You can continue to use all your gamesaves with no problems on your banned console, you just can't
take them to a legit console, since because of the ban, all other consoles have been told not to talk
with a REVOKEd ID, so it will display as corrupted on any other console other then the original ban console.
You can save your gamesaves, by just unplugging your HDD after the banhammer has hit, before playing
any using any gamesave on your banned console, and then deleting your profile on your new legit console,
and then using the recover gamertag function, this will force all your gamesaves to be resigned or moved
over to your new legit console as long as they have not been recently played on your banned console after the banhammer hit it.
This is to prevent you from using your hacked games, or other means on your banned console to increase your gamerscore and to gain new achievements using your banned console.
The logic and common sense is so damm simple, and yet post after post I keep seeing people complaining,
about how can M$ corrupt my stuff, it is my stuff, they have no right, I am going to sue them. -- God I am getting so tried of this stupid posts it is not funny. M$ has ever right, they are protecting LIVE from the thousands of bad apples out there, I am glad people can't cheat and use their banned console to play with their gamesaves, etc. anymore, that is one from a while now, M$ can besides banning REVOKE your ID.
Now to be fair, not everyone that gets hit with the banhammer also gets the REVOKE hammer, you have to be real bad to get both hammers throw at you, and then there is the complete third all powerful hammer, the "gamertag" one.
Now as for the they can't remove features like installing games to the HDD, that is not right. -- In all truth, M$ has not really done that, it is just a side-effect of the REVOKE hammer, because the dashboard needs to sign certain files when copying the game data to the HDD, and the part of the OS it calls looks at the REVOKE list and comes back saying this is not supported. -- M$ might fix that glitch or side-effect in the next dashboard update, but I doubt they are going to put it up on the top of the list just because of a bunch of whining pirates complaining about their banned console.
Post by: CocoaPistolero on November 08, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 8 2009, 11:23 PM)
The problem is no one seems to understand clearly, what is happening here.
Your console is banned from LIVE becaused it was clearly modded.
As such to protect the legit users of LIVE, M$ in some cases (not all bans), can REVOKE your ConsoleID, when they do so the following will happen ontop of the ban:
Gamesaves will appear "corrupted" on a legit console, or another ban console, other then you own,
people just don't understand the actual contents of the "GameSave" does not change in anyway,
it does not get "corrupted" by M$, what has happen is your ConsoleID has been REVOKEd by M$,
this means, all other Consoles will not understand your Gamesaves since they were signed by the
original banned console which now has been added to a list of REVOKEd ID's, this list is included in
all future dashboard updates, and gets stored in ever single console out there, to stop you from using
"revoked" gamesaves, etc. on legit untouched console (or for that matter other banned consoles).
You can continue to use all your gamesaves with no problems on your banned console, you just can't
take them to a legit console, since because of the ban, all other consoles have been told not to talk
with a REVOKEd ID, so it will display as corrupted on any other console other then the original ban console.
You can save your gamesaves, by just unplugging your HDD after the banhammer has hit, before playing
any using any gamesave on your banned console, and then deleting your profile on your new legit console,
and then using the recover gamertag function, this will force all your gamesaves to be resigned or moved
over to your new legit console as long as they have not been recently played on your banned console after the banhammer hit it.
This is to prevent you from using your hacked games, or other means on your banned console to increase your gamerscore and to gain new achievements using your banned console.
The logic and common sense is so damm simple, and yet post after post I keep seeing people complaining,
about how can M$ corrupt my stuff, it is my stuff, they have no right, I am going to sue them. -- God I am getting so tried of this stupid posts it is not funny. M$ has ever right, they are protecting LIVE from the thousands of bad apples out there, I am glad people can't cheat and use their banned console to play with their gamesaves, etc. anymore, that is one from a while now, M$ can besides banning REVOKE your ID.
Now to be fair, not everyone that gets hit with the banhammer also gets the REVOKE hammer, you have to be real bad to get both hammers throw at you, and then there is the complete third all powerful hammer, the "gamertag" one.
Now as for the they can't remove features like installing games to the HDD, that is not right. -- In all truth, M$ has not really done that, it is just a side-effect of the REVOKE hammer, because the dashboard needs to sign certain files when copying the game data to the HDD, and the part of the OS it calls looks at the REVOKE list and comes back saying this is not supported. -- M$ might fix that glitch or side-effect in the next dashboard update, but I doubt they are going to put it up on the top of the list just because of a bunch of whining pirates complaining about their banned console.
I don't get it. How do other consoles know that my console ID is "revoked"?
Similarly, I know that save data will work fine as long as you don't save on a banned console after getting banned. How does this fit in with your explanation?
Post by: xboxer360 on November 08, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: seven2099 on November 08, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 8 2009, 11:39 PM)
you'd think if MS did have a surefire way to detect backups, they'd code it into the dashboard and stop them from booting. obviously they can't and they have humans looking for signs of a tampered console, a bit here and a bit there, thats why they don't get everyone.
Lol are you serious?
an unmodded console has piracy protection on it, so people cannot boot backups... so.. your point is?
the modders have shown MS what they think of their anti-piracy methods and for years have escaped their grasp.. by creating modified firmware so that it CAN boot backups.
Don't think for a second the banning has stopped because it hasnt mang. Best bet is to stay offline because now you know its just a matter of time before u get banned..
Plus the real answer to your question bud, banning = good for buisness in there eyes. Stopping backups from booting, they already do that the moment you buy an xbox but it doesnt stop some people. Banning people, and severely discouraging them from trying it again shows developers that they can still trust the solidity of the xbox360 platform and even if some people go to PS3, its not like they'll be missed. The amount of modders vs Legit users = peanuts for Microsoft.
Post by: seven2099 on November 09, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
QUOTE(harveytator @ Nov 9 2009, 01:15 AM)
Hi there guys,i have a question.I have several xboxs and i had my u.s one banned recently.Im a little confused about the game save corruption and hoped you guys could clear something up for me.I have the new moddern wardare 2 console coming tommorow and i wanted to know if i get the xbox 360 transfer kit and transfer the game saves from my hardrive to the new 250gb one.Will the content still be damaged or will it all work ok???......I havent played any games or saved anyting since the ban so will all my other game saves be good to go.If not i will sell the new console as its no good to me.Many thanks in advance and feel free to flame the newbie and would just really appreciate some clarity.
at the moment I wouldn't even DARE putting my old hd on my new one.. any HDD modificiation = instant ban. There are plenty of people who say they have put their old hdds into their new boxes and all is gravy... then there are many more people who say.. that xbox is now banned.
Post by: goohman on November 09, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 9 2009, 12:39 AM)
you'd think if MS did have a surefire way to detect backups, they'd code it into the dashboard and stop them from booting. obviously they can't and they have humans looking for signs of a tampered console, a bit here and a bit there, thats why they don't get everyone.
Its business strategy, ban old xbox, consumer might buy a new one, possible repeating of this cycle... M$ is greedy
Post by: slimdagreat on November 09, 2009, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: ste030 on November 09, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
QUOTE(mabuk @ Nov 9 2009, 07:34 PM)
I have images of backups on my hard drive, but only go online to use the Sky Player. I also ensure that no disc is in the tray when I plug in the network adapter.
I have a Samsung drive with 5.2D xtreme FW. So far, all is OK. Are there any indications that the hard drive images from backups are different and detectable even with no disc in the tray?
You can still get banned doing this !!! i'v got banned no game in tray !!
Post by: jkicsak on November 09, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
2 theories :
1. playing both retail and backups . ( the drive responds differently to the two) making it noticable
2. Disc jitter . sending commands to make the drive react in a way that is not normal
and then maybe this.. my benq is good maybe that has something to do with how they can detect it. its harder to detect fw on benq . maybe
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on November 09, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
QUOTE(jkicsak @ Nov 9 2009, 09:56 PM)
running 1.61 benq and all is good.
2 theories :
1. playing both retail and backups . ( the drive responds differently to the two) making it noticable
2. Disc jitter . sending commands to make the drive react in a way that is not normal
and then maybe this.. my benq is good maybe that has something to do with how they can detect it. its harder to detect fw on benq . maybe
cant be either of those, got one console never played retail and another never had a backup in it yet. Both were benq im afraid.
edit:can anyone explain the banned hard drive thing. How the hell can they ban a unmodded console just cause you use the hard drive of a banned one, if this is true then Im going to ban a lot of ass holes I know I just can't wait if this is true thank you M$.
Post by: shadowcow on November 09, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
Post by: harveytator on November 10, 2009, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: CHLSE on November 10, 2009, 04:54:00 AM
when calling you hear an intro, when calling about information regarding your console beeing banned we advise you to take a look at www.xboxblalabala our employees cannot give specific reasons whey you are banned neither they can undo the ban.
*holes!
grtz from the netherlands!
Post by: thezet on November 10, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
Funny thing is my xbox was down with a rrod for a week and I fixed it yesterday and was online just fine. First thing this morning, I turn it on and boom! the hammer came crashing down on me
Might have something to do with the one shot disc? Have any of you used the one shot disc?
The Zet
Post by: PTKS on November 10, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: zoltrix2590 on November 10, 2009, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: Cubic_X on November 10, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
But then again, this is just speculation from my side and nothing is official/confirmed.
Post by: 13btt on November 10, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Cubic_X @ Nov 10 2009, 10:55 AM)
I THINK (so nothing official/confirmed) that this ban wave will last forever. Microsoft clearly has a new and better way to detect bans, so I think it is just an automated process now. When the computer at the Microsoft HQ know's that youre using a customized firmware/backups/ect, it will ban you. So I think this new ban wave will never stop.
But then again, this is just speculation from my side and nothing is official/confirmed.
+1!!! M$ definately found a flaw that they are exploiting right now, plus being 4th quarter sales period why not finish out the year strong by killing consoles at the very time desperate live users wanna play MW2!!! they know that the post 9/09' boxes have not been able to be compromised yet so this is M$'s best opportunity to hit the modding scene hard with this no end in sight ban wave. as long as they keep catching modded consoles with their new detection methods they wont stop! best bet is to wait it out til there is a new proven firmware released, but the cat and mouse game will continue with M$... anybody who thinks they will never get banned with a modded console is crazy! we will all have our day just be ready for it and deal with it! the way i see it from now on is that modded consoles should be offline only and never be tried on xbl just like the xbox1 days. wanna play on xbl then use unmmoded console and retail disk for that purpose only!!!
Post by: kenchikm on November 10, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
i got a banned Xbox with a hitachi running 1.51
and i just got another box with a hitachi not modded.
could i switch the drive from the modded console to the unmodded
one without flashing it.
Post by: chorizo1 on November 10, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(kenchikm @ Nov 10 2009, 10:31 AM)
Hi guys got a quick question
i got a banned Xbox with a hitachi running 1.51
and i just got another box with a hitachi not modded.
could i switch the drive from the modded console to the unmodded
one without flashing it.
no.
basic modding 101 (keys are different in every console)
Post by: demha88 on November 10, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(plumbjet @ Nov 10 2009, 05:39 PM)
16-30 UK time Banned, Box has been off for 4 days
Just turned box on with no disc in drive
Sad day
my condolences
Post by: Reaper527 on November 10, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 8 2009, 11:23 PM)
The problem is no one seems to understand clearly, what is happening here.
Your console is banned from LIVE becaused it was clearly modded.
As such to protect the legit users of LIVE, M$ in some cases (not all bans), can REVOKE your ConsoleID, when they do so the following will happen ontop of the ban:
Gamesaves will appear "corrupted" on a legit console, or another ban console, other then you own,
people just don't understand the actual contents of the "GameSave" does not change in anyway,
it does not get "corrupted" by M$, what has happen is your ConsoleID has been REVOKEd by M$,
this means, all other Consoles will not understand your Gamesaves since they were signed by the
original banned console which now has been added to a list of REVOKEd ID's, this list is included in
all future dashboard updates, and gets stored in ever single console out there, to stop you from using
"revoked" gamesaves, etc. on legit untouched console (or for that matter other banned consoles).
You can continue to use all your gamesaves with no problems on your banned console, you just can't
take them to a legit console, since because of the ban, all other consoles have been told not to talk
with a REVOKEd ID, so it will display as corrupted on any other console other then the original ban console.
You can save your gamesaves, by just unplugging your HDD after the banhammer has hit, before playing
any using any gamesave on your banned console, and then deleting your profile on your new legit console,
and then using the recover gamertag function, this will force all your gamesaves to be resigned or moved
over to your new legit console as long as they have not been recently played on your banned console after the banhammer hit it.
This is to prevent you from using your hacked games, or other means on your banned console to increase your gamerscore and to gain new achievements using your banned console.
The logic and common sense is so damm simple, and yet post after post I keep seeing people complaining,
about how can M$ corrupt my stuff, it is my stuff, they have no right, I am going to sue them. -- God I am getting so tried of this stupid posts it is not funny. M$ has ever right, they are protecting LIVE from the thousands of bad apples out there, I am glad people can't cheat and use their banned console to play with their gamesaves, etc. anymore, that is one from a while now, M$ can besides banning REVOKE your ID.
Now to be fair, not everyone that gets hit with the banhammer also gets the REVOKE hammer, you have to be real bad to get both hammers throw at you, and then there is the complete third all powerful hammer, the "gamertag" one.
Now as for the they can't remove features like installing games to the HDD, that is not right. -- In all truth, M$ has not really done that, it is just a side-effect of the REVOKE hammer, because the dashboard needs to sign certain files when copying the game data to the HDD, and the part of the OS it calls looks at the REVOKE list and comes back saying this is not supported. -- M$ might fix that glitch or side-effect in the next dashboard update, but I doubt they are going to put it up on the top of the list just because of a bunch of whining pirates complaining about their banned console.
i just have a few questions though (i'm not debating you, i'm just looking for clarification on a few points.
1. it has been said that if you get banned, your gamesaves get corrupted WHEN you access them from the banned box. in other words, the understanding that i have read is that if you get banned, and immediately move your harddrive over to a new unbanned system, your saves will work fine. if you try to access the game saves from the banned box, then move it over, then it will show up as corrupted. if that understanding is correct, what is the difference? the console key would be the same before the ban as it would be after.
2. the revoke list gets updated via an upated list bundled with dashboard updates, correct? (i have read this somewhere previously, you would know better than i would if its true or not) if so, how are all the newly banned systems getting revoked immediately?
3. if what is happening is indeed a console key revoke, would it be possible to have an old system that doesn't go online (so the client revoke list doesn't get updated) resign the saves and profile? for example if someone has an unstable system that RRoD's frequently, but is stable enough to run at the dashboard for a little while.
like i said, i'm not arguing your post, just looking for a little clarification.
Post by: acorn61p on November 10, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Well i called them and pretended i had trouble with my box (technical issues RROD) and wanted to check my warranty eligibility. If you have not been banned or flagged they'll say either "oh sorry but your warranty has expired. But if you go online and register you can have it fixed cheap for 19.99 (for RROD issue)." OR "Yes your warranty is still valid blah blah blah."
Apparently, if you box is flagged or banned then you can't even PAY to get it fixed at M$.
Well that was my experience, BTW i'm still NOT BANNED... i think, haven't got online in 3 days but since i called today, i assume i'm not banned.
Let me know if anyone has tried this method.
Post by: karmatikal on November 10, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:48 PM)
i just have a few questions though (i'm not debating you, i'm just looking for clarification on a few points.
1. it has been said that if you get banned, your gamesaves get corrupted WHEN you access them from the banned box. in other words, the understanding that i have read is that if you get banned, and immediately move your harddrive over to a new unbanned system, your saves will work fine. if you try to access the game saves from the banned box, then move it over, then it will show up as corrupted. if that understanding is correct, what is the difference? the console key would be the same before the ban as it would be after.
2. the revoke list gets updated via an upated list bundled with dashboard updates, correct? (i have read this somewhere previously, you would know better than i would if its true or not) if so, how are all the newly banned systems getting revoked immediately?
3. if what is happening is indeed a console key revoke, would it be possible to have an old system that doesn't go online (so the client revoke list doesn't get updated) resign the saves and profile? for example if someone has an unstable system that RRoD's frequently, but is stable enough to run at the dashboard for a little while.
like i said, i'm not arguing your post, just looking for a little clarification.
Is the gamertag recovery necessary on the new console?
I moved my hard drive immediately after the ban to my other console and I have been playing with my profile and saves fine... when I go to connect this to Live will I lose all that progress since I haven't recovered the gamertag on the other console?
Post by: RedXIII70 on November 10, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(13btt @ Nov 10 2009, 12:15 PM)
they know that the post 9/09' boxes have not been able to be compromised yet so this is M$'s best opportunity to hit the modding scene.
Now how many people are actually going out and buying brand new 360's as replacements? Depending where Gamestop's are located other than the States you could go there and get a refurb for just under $140. Throw in another $20 and you have a year to replace it if something happens to it (like gets banned). That's what I've been doing. Of course I don't tell them I've been banned or even modded the system. This last time I just opened it up and unplugged the sata cable from the DVD drive and told them it wouldn't read discs anymore.
Post by: bedojunkmail on November 10, 2009, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(RedXIII70 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:40 PM)
... This last time I just opened it up and unplugged the sata cable from the DVD drive and told them it wouldn't read discs anymore.
Yeah, I think that would be called 'warranty fraud' .
Post by: RedXIII70 on November 10, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(bedojunkmail @ Nov 10 2009, 06:55 PM)
Yeah, I think that would be called 'warranty fraud' .
LOL like I give my real info to any store. They can't touch me. LOL
Post by: bedojunkmail on November 10, 2009, 06:55:00 PM
QUOTE(RedXIII70 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:29 AM)
LOL like I give my real info to any store. They can't touch me. LOL
Actually, I was referring to the fact that the mods here will ban your 'RedXIII70' for talking about warranty fraud once they see your post.
Post by: Senater_Cache on November 10, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
QUOTE
Hey everyone,
I have done significant research on the recent bannings much of which has been from places such as www*xbox360iso*com and from 1-800-4MYXBOX (by using lies such as saying I worked for a beta testing company etc.) and from friends. Apparently, the recent bannings have become signficant after the October 28, 2009 Xbox LIVE system update. And yes it is true, this update has played a role in the recent bans. I asked a lady that worked in the support service what specifically the October 28 update did (besides the increased wireless stuff it mentioned) and she explained it briefly as a means to check for modders and pirates while they play on and offline (as many people were doing with the recent leak of modern warfare 2). Another phone call (and those of many others on forums) confirmed that they can apparently findout if we are using a flashed xbox ie. detecting a firmware [they may be trying to scare us].
Many people tell people who are banned that it was because of playing Wave 4 games or unstealth patched/unverified games or from playing unreleased games - but, there are MANY people who you may read of, who were banned after signing on after months of not playing. Or many who got banned even though they havent played ANY unstealth patched or unreleased games. And also many who have been banned who have never even been able to try playing a backup game! So therefore that is more compelling evidence to non-believers that the recent update was in fact unsafe, contrary to what many people have stated.
Now what you can do? Well i guess the best thing to do is to wait offline (if you dont feel safe online) for a new iextreme firmware :S if anything... but in the mean time there are some steps you can do to remain safe (offline) in some ways. I was thinking that because the xbox service employees mentioned that the update was what was tracking data on and offline it would be best to remove the updates, if you would like to do so you may by following the following steps (this actually works despite the odd procedure.):
. Removing System Updates .
If you feel like removing your system updates, you may notice if you have tried to do so that they are not located in your system memory. So in order to delete them do this:
1. Press the guide button
2. Go all the way to the right
3. Go to system settings
4. Go to memory
5. DO NOT SELECT YOUR MEMORY UNIT *as in your HDD*
6. Press the following buttons in order: X, LB, RB, X, LB, RB, X
7. You will be prompted if you want to remove the updates, it is your choice and they can always be redownloaded within mere seconds of signing into live.
I have done significant research on the recent bannings much of which has been from places such as www*xbox360iso*com and from 1-800-4MYXBOX (by using lies such as saying I worked for a beta testing company etc.) and from friends. Apparently, the recent bannings have become signficant after the October 28, 2009 Xbox LIVE system update. And yes it is true, this update has played a role in the recent bans. I asked a lady that worked in the support service what specifically the October 28 update did (besides the increased wireless stuff it mentioned) and she explained it briefly as a means to check for modders and pirates while they play on and offline (as many people were doing with the recent leak of modern warfare 2). Another phone call (and those of many others on forums) confirmed that they can apparently findout if we are using a flashed xbox ie. detecting a firmware [they may be trying to scare us].
Many people tell people who are banned that it was because of playing Wave 4 games or unstealth patched/unverified games or from playing unreleased games - but, there are MANY people who you may read of, who were banned after signing on after months of not playing. Or many who got banned even though they havent played ANY unstealth patched or unreleased games. And also many who have been banned who have never even been able to try playing a backup game! So therefore that is more compelling evidence to non-believers that the recent update was in fact unsafe, contrary to what many people have stated.
Now what you can do? Well i guess the best thing to do is to wait offline (if you dont feel safe online) for a new iextreme firmware :S if anything... but in the mean time there are some steps you can do to remain safe (offline) in some ways. I was thinking that because the xbox service employees mentioned that the update was what was tracking data on and offline it would be best to remove the updates, if you would like to do so you may by following the following steps (this actually works despite the odd procedure.):
. Removing System Updates .
If you feel like removing your system updates, you may notice if you have tried to do so that they are not located in your system memory. So in order to delete them do this:
1. Press the guide button
2. Go all the way to the right
3. Go to system settings
4. Go to memory
5. DO NOT SELECT YOUR MEMORY UNIT *as in your HDD*
6. Press the following buttons in order: X, LB, RB, X, LB, RB, X
7. You will be prompted if you want to remove the updates, it is your choice and they can always be redownloaded within mere seconds of signing into live.
linky to above
So this guy is saying that IF the update is causing the flag/ban-trigger as it syncs with M$ servers once you connect to Live...removing this update (or all updates for that matter) would potentially hinder the ban?
what do you guys think? Has anyone ever doesn't that update removal? if so, what is the procedure to get them back...(the prompt just before deletion says it "removes updates and Xbox live connectivity"
Post by: skilo100 on November 10, 2009, 08:52:00 PM
For me it's def the firmware the reason people are getting banned so until C4 has the new one out and it's been well tested by the community I will wait.
Post by: acorn61p on November 10, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
And I remember from this forum someone said if you get that message that means your console is flagged and ready to be banned as soon as you signed on to live. Lucky, I have disconnected my internet for 3 days now.
So just to verify, i called the M$ douches to see if i am really banned without signing on live. I acted like I had RROD and need to repair my console but I couldn't bc i kept getting this "service is temporarily unavailable" message on xbox.com. This Indian guy puts me on hold for like 3 mins.... then he said "Uhhh sir, i'm looking at your account and see that your console has been banned. Only thing i can do is for you to go to xbox console banning page blah blah blah." Son of a monkey!!
Haha, I knew it was coming. And I guess I was prepared! If I were to go online right now just to check if i was banned, damn my console had been USELESS (live account, saved games, hard drive etc all corrupted).
Now I have a modded console, NOT BANNED (bc I know it's already banned but didn't find out through live) and never gonna connect this one to internet. TIME TO PLAY ALL THE BACKUPS I WANT NOW!! WORRY FREE!!
Now just get another xbox (arcade model), don't need a hard drive bc i can just swap back and forth my modded HD. Have one legit box to just play live!
So Everyone, try to use my method to find out if your console is banned. Believe me, they'll tell you. YOU DO NOT WANT TO FIND OUT ONLIVE AND CRIPPLE YOUR HARDDRIVE AND YOUR GAMERTAG!
Post by: Senater_Cache on November 10, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
I realized in the last 2 days that I had not transfered my licenses from my old xbox (new on bought in Sept lol) and I didnt re-download the media update to this console specifically..
This means my console now after being banned can do nothing but play backups off of the disc. NO MORE MOVIE WATCHING because I am a tard.
Would you guys say that a 199 purchase + having 2 boxes in my way is worth it for playing movies?
why oh why
Post by: chorizo1 on November 11, 2009, 01:42:00 AM
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