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Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 01, 2009, 08:53:00 PM
MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Posted by XanTium | November 1 22:53 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
From examiner.com:
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Do you like to use the party chat option on your Xbox 360? Well, if you do, you may soon find yourself being forced out of using that option. Microsoft appears to be offering developers the option to negate the private chat option the Xbox 360 offers.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 will force players to decide whether or not they'll play the game and join the game chat, or choose to stay in a private chat and not play in the multiplayer game. The private chat feature became a way of telling other players of enemy locations after being killed.

Full Story: examiner.com



Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Roupus on November 01, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
I like it.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Rickets06 on November 01, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
what about taking the player out of the level after they die? too depressing? or making their screen blank... and give them something else to do like look at scores and stats and customizing their ****. Isn't that a good option?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: TehBanStick on November 01, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
I'd like to clarify that they said Private Chat and not Parties

Though it will probably force parties into game chat mode.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: _8ight on November 01, 2009, 09:30:00 PM
So IW is going to force me to listen to all those little racist shits when I play online?  I'd rather talk to my friends.  Just because I sit in a party with my friends doesn't mean we're cheating.  It means we don't want to listen to others or have others listen to our conversation.  If IW is doing this... I won't be playing online with it much.  I play games online with my friends and if I can't enjoy their company while I play... I won't.

A feck you in advanced MS & IW.
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Post by: zainday on November 01, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
Why not just disable private chat when on opposing team?
Most the time I don't like when people are BSing in team chat, team chat should be game specific and tactical talk , for the most part.
This is what makes private chat nice....You and a budy can BS while playen the game together.
Most often I always try and play on the same team and my friend, so I don't understand the difference (if on same team) of me telling him where a person is , using team chat vs private chat.
But WHATEVER...... blink.gif
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: liam82517 on November 01, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
QUOTE(_8ight @ Nov 2 2009, 06:30 AM) View Post

So IW is going to force me to listen to all those little racist shits when I play online?  I'd rather talk to my friends.  Just because I sit in a party with my friends doesn't mean we're cheating.  It means we don't want to listen to others or have others listen to our conversation.  If IW is doing this... I won't be playing online with it much.  I play games online with my friends and if I can't enjoy their company while I play... I won't.

A feck you in advanced MS & IW.



+1
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: zainday on November 01, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
AND ANOTHER THING!.....lol
Now that people CAN'T private chat (and most likely party chat) , ALL that chatting will be going on all in the same room, so people that do want to play tactically , will get to hear all about "Larrys new dog Spot" (amongst a million other things)
Can you please include an update that gives users one click "MUTE ALL" feature, PLEASE! (I'd still like to hear the game , just not ALL the chat)

This post has been edited by zainday: Nov 2 2009, 05:44 AM
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Post by: Sgt Quackers on November 01, 2009, 10:11:00 PM
I would support this if the only use it in Hardcore mode or something like that. I love my Party Chat so i can play and just talk with my friends. Or i can play one game and chat with friends in a completely different game. It would really piss me off if I have to listen to all of the little kids and people playing their music over XBL. Put it in Hardcore mode but for the average person it would just be an annoyance.

Has anyone actually confirmed this with IW or is it just like a rumor at this point? I see the picture but that could easily be photo shopped. And with no real source i am a little skeptical.
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Post by: tomgreen99200 on November 01, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
I dont really like this.  mad.gif
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Post by: Derfuhrer on November 01, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
NO the article says private Party Chat...as in not Game chat. This truly is awful!! Im a 33yr old avid gamer and my friends (who are over 25..one is 54!) enjoy chatting to each other during the game. The number of downright rude and arrogant, dick head pre pubecent boys is why I would cancel my subscription...if I was forced to hear the SHIT they speak again..

Nooo Microsoft  sad.gif
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Post by: shage on November 01, 2009, 10:38:00 PM
Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: amak1131 on November 01, 2009, 10:45:00 PM
"The private chat feature became a way of telling other players of enemy locations after being killed."

I think there's a word for that. Let me break out my dictionary...if you want to follow, break out your Merriam-Webster Dictionary, New Edition and turn to page 734. On the left hand column, 2nd word:

Teamwork
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: xcalixxryderx on November 01, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(amak1131 @ Nov 1 2009, 08:45 PM) View Post

"The private chat feature became a way of telling other players of enemy locations after being killed."

I think there's a word for that. Let me break out my dictionary...if you want to follow, break out your Merriam-Webster Dictionary, New Edition and turn to page 734. On the left hand column, 2nd word:

Teamwork


and how often in real life to you find the ghost of a soldier going around telling his squad the enimey locations? thats how the games are ment to be played if alive you use team work if dead you cant talk to any except dead people.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: amak1131 on November 01, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Nov 1 2009, 10:51 PM) View Post

and how often in real life to you find the ghost of a soldier going around telling his squad the enimey locations? thats how the games are ment to be played if alive you use team work if dead you cant talk to any except dead people.



You can't expect games to mimic real life. If so, how come you can take several rifle rounds and your health regenerates? In reality you'd be dead or on the ground getting treated.
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Post by: deeceefar2 on November 01, 2009, 11:06:00 PM
This is arrogance.  A developer deciding that their game choices are more important then the fun of their users.  Party chat is there for a reason.  Gaming is trending more and more toward a social experience, and while nintendo dominated the local social experience; Microsoft dominated the remote/internet experience.  This seems not only like a step backwards, but also like a potentially explosive issue with their customers.  If people play the games with their friends to talk with their friends while playing; why should any game company be getting in the way of that?  Games are social tools now it is the job of the game to facilitate that social interaction and then get out of the way; not for it to control and prevent it.  Perhaps have a competitive game play mode where people aren't playing the game just to have fun with friends, but the entire game preventing game playing with friends seems wrong minded and foolish.
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Post by: chorizo1 on November 01, 2009, 11:06:00 PM
It seems to be for certain modes only. not the whole thing.

MUTE ALL option PLEASE.

This post has been edited by chorizo1: Nov 2 2009, 07:07 AM
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Post by: JD45 on November 01, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
unless you're at a lan, it's pointless to try and stop people from communicating after they die.. competitive gaming is always the minority..the majority of people that play cod just pub for fun.. and even in online leagues for games like counter-strike...which is one of the biggest competitive games out there people still use ventrilo. unless it's a lan tournament where fade to black is enforced and you aren't allowed to talk anymore after you're dead.

the rule of only being able to use in game chat only makes sense if it's being used for competitive cod..and if that's their intention it should be a separate game mode tweaked for league play.
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Post by: whytellyou on November 01, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
muhaha.gif   So many crybabies...  LOL.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: zainday on November 01, 2009, 11:27:00 PM
This actually brings back memories of there ps3 version of cod4....
Get used to alot of STATIC noise guys!

On the ps3 verion they didn't have any way to MUTE ANYONE...so everyone just put on there bluetooth, set voice to output through headset only, and then set the thing on the desk or counter....which caused a tremendous amount of static feedback through everyone elses headsets.

I have a feeling this same thing will be done now.

This post has been edited by zainday: Nov 2 2009, 07:28 AM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: amak1131 on November 01, 2009, 11:33:00 PM
QUOTE(whytellyou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:16 PM) View Post

muhaha.gif   So many crybabies...  LOL.



As consumers we have a right to complain about stupid moves game companies make. (Say it with me: capitalism.) This is towards the top.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: whytellyou on November 01, 2009, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(amak1131 @ Nov 2 2009, 02:33 AM) View Post



As consumers you DO have a right to complain about stupid moves game companies make. (Say it with me: CRYBABIES.) This is towards the top.
 
It also kills games people want to play because nobody is talking.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: amak1131 on November 02, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
QUOTE(whytellyou @ Nov 1 2009, 11:41 PM) *

It also kills games people want to play because nobody is talking.


<sarcasm>
Create edit.

Yea it will kill the game. But this is MW2, a game with so much hype is cant possibly fail! </sarcasm>
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Post by: Sharky3 on November 02, 2009, 12:21:00 AM
I'm glad to see the change at one point you couldn't go into matchmaking in Halo without seeing everyone in a party chat.  It's kind of difficult to describe where you got killed to people who are off in their own chat.  Now if their were only some way to force people to use the mics that come with their xbox.
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Post by: The Dude Z on November 02, 2009, 01:01:00 AM
Well this is just stupid !
There are plenty of other ways to stop people from being able to cheat via private chat.

But for anyone who pays for Xbox Live memberships for nephews kids etc. this is terrible because now those kids will be forced to listen to vulgarities from immature idiots who for some apparent reason feel the need to swear, make racial slurs etc.

I won't be renewing any memberships for my nephews anymore that's for sure.

 grr.gif
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Post by: soopahfly on November 02, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
I like using private chat so I don't have to listen to some guy's 9 year old squarking into the microphone and crying when they get shot.

GoW was the worst for this.

Great responsible parenting, While your at it, why not let them watch some Friday 13th, Hellraiser and Terminator for good measure?

No, wait.... That was my childhood.
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Post by: kill_bill on November 02, 2009, 01:26:00 AM
We use it when playing hardcore search & destroy, especially when we have one of our clan on the opposite team  tongue.gif
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Post by: bbdez on November 02, 2009, 01:47:00 AM
i think it suckks, normally there will be 3 or 4 of us in party chat and we can work together, chat or wotever, they are taking our right to just chat about random subjects coz now if you just wanna play but want some friendly banter it will annoy everyone trying to play the game, we are not all serious gamers some of us just want to enjoy the games, also there are a lot of annoying people on xbox that just come in and sit and make noises instead of playing, and if they think this will stop people telling where others are they are sadly mistaken, some to the extreme no one else can chat anyway, and then like someone else said lots of kids that winge about dying too much or thinking they are great that sould not be listening to adults chatting coz you know we all swear especially in shooter... lol and befor someone says "but if thats the case set your profile to hardcore" yeah ok we all know that filter dont filter 8h1t

i just think we are being robbed of the pleasure of gaming and the choice to not listen to all the tw@ts on xbox, do ms think everyone on live are all good people, there are far too many tw@ts out there that ruin the games, just my opinion
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Post by: dalagr on November 02, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
This is Rediculous, i play with a group of friends and we would have to stop our XBL if this happens as we always use party chat while playing cod together. for one we get annoyed by the idiots on there who play and sing along to their rubbish music that no one else wants to hear. if anything having to listen to their rubbish through the headset of television just puts me off the game. i had preordered the modern warfare super elite but now im seriously going to have to reconsider paying £250 for something im not even going to be able to talk to my  gaming friends on.
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Post by: kainy on November 02, 2009, 02:06:00 AM
Oh that's a stupid move... Tactics will be killed that way... If it's true... well we will use skype to party chat biggrin.gif

You can't stop us M$.... you just can't!  happy.gif
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Post by: illbastid on November 02, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(kill_bill @ Nov 2 2009, 04:26 AM) *

We use it when playing hardcore search & destroy, especially when we have one of our clan on the opposite team  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


That's why shit like this happens because of punks like you and your friends.
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Post by: ToBbErT on November 02, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
Ventrilo ftw.

This post has been edited by ToBbErT: Nov 2 2009, 10:44 AM
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Post by: PhoneyVirus on November 02, 2009, 03:29:00 AM
QUOTE(illbastid @ Nov 2 2009, 01:41 AM) View Post

That's why shit like this happens because of punks like you and your friends.


Not only that but how many people that I came across looking for people with mics just to play with. This will be nice for every one don't like the 10 Year olds crying just mute them lol smile.gif
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Post by: SnoopDop on November 02, 2009, 03:51:00 AM
good decision, I want other players to my trash talk and taunting when I own them in MP games, instead of them hiding behind party chat like cowards smile.gif
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Post by: izaven715 on November 02, 2009, 04:05:00 AM
Infinity Ward needs to relax a bit. They make one decent game and now they think they run the video game industry.
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Post by: K1LLERHORNET on November 02, 2009, 04:10:00 AM
QUOTE(_8ight @ Nov 2 2009, 04:30 AM) View Post

So IW is going to force me to listen to all those little racist shits when I play online?  I'd rather talk to my friends.  Just because I sit in a party with my friends doesn't mean we're cheating.  It means we don't want to listen to others or have others listen to our conversation.  If IW is doing this... I won't be playing online with it much.  I play games online with my friends and if I can't enjoy their company while I play... I won't.

A feck you in advanced MS & IW.


I agree.

Stupid move MS.

I'm guessing IW wanted it this way & MS had to agree as it is such a high profile title & don't wanna spoil relations.

Good thing i don't give a sh*t about COD 4 MW 2 multiplayer.

Any chance the next game will be called Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare 3 Part 1.
I mean, can they get any more numbers into the title? - they'll be rivaling Final Fantasy soon enough tongue.gif
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Post by: signal-to-noise-ratio on November 02, 2009, 04:17:00 AM
QUOTE(zainday @ Nov 1 2009, 11:43 PM) View Post

AND ANOTHER THING!.....lol
Now that people CAN'T private chat (and most likely party chat) , ALL that chatting will be going on all in the same room, so people that do want to play tactically , will get to hear all about "Larrys new dog Spot" (amongst a million other things)
Can you please include an update that gives users one click "MUTE ALL" feature, PLEASE! (I'd still like to hear the game , just not ALL the chat)


Just go into privacy settings and set voice to friends only. I have had my account set this way for about a year.

I mostly stopped using the headset cause the quality is so much worse than original one it would cut off sentences when my friends and I were talking.

Now I call them on cell with bluetooth for the most part.

This still sucks though def a step in the wrong direction. Kinda reminds me of ghost recon 2 chat. Which chat was annoying more than anything.
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Post by: SnoopDop on November 02, 2009, 04:23:00 AM
QUOTE(signal-to-noise-ratio @ Nov 2 2009, 12:17 PM) View Post

Just go into privacy settings and set voice to friends only. I have had my account set this way for about a year.

You are a wussy, LAWL  rolleyes.gif
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Post by: Muzzakus on November 02, 2009, 04:44:00 AM
About time M$.  Totally support this move.  Party chat has deminished the social community aspect of Live.  All these people with friend lists 10 miles long who are complaining, I bet you met them through public chat way back when it was the only option.  Otherwise you're in the rare minority.

Now when I want a quick blast and have a few laughs I dont need to rely on my real friends to be logged in.  I enjoy meeting new people.

We all have experienced annoying users trying to greif us, but the exegerations expressed here...LOL, it's like Hitler himself has 30 million clones out there all playing.

Find a crap user?  file a report, mute - Done.  It's not the end of the world.

I hope this is mandatory for all upcoming team muliplayer games, and is patched into already released titles. Natch!
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Post by: Jagosix on November 02, 2009, 04:50:00 AM
Hello Fellow Gamers (HFG) smile.gif. What kind of BS. is this ? I mean why change the this option? This is not a PS3 system, it's a X360 console. Don't take a step backwards. You guys can do this another way. What's to stop me from calling my friends on the phone and doing the same thing? Answer.. NOTHING!!! I mean if push comes to shove we can chat using non xblive options. I prefer the live option. So. if you change this, You will have over a few million complainers to deal with on a daily basis. I guess M$ and infinity ward really want to piss off Xblive users.

I will complain about this on the xbox.com forums and infinity wards forums. I'd advise all of you to do the same. Once they get a few million complaints, they'll change it back or wish they would have.
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Post by: tharien on November 02, 2009, 05:57:00 AM
nice, so rather then just talking to my friends i have to listen to all the shit coming out of everyone else s mouth.

I bet someone bent that badly on cheating will simply circumvent it by using the MSN chat and KB in game, or a TS/Vent server.

poor move M$, and surprising.
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Post by: AcidPenguiN on November 02, 2009, 06:04:00 AM
so yeah, now all the people who previously used party chat to cheat are just going to move to ventrillo, and those who previously used it to chat with friends are out in the cold?


Damn it IW, you used to be cool! Now you're ruining the PC game and blocking useful features on the xbox game?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: FalconLTD on November 02, 2009, 06:19:00 AM
Xbox live is PAY service. We shouldn't have to sit and listen to 10 year olds express their vocabulary to our team/party. While playing GOW and halo in open party (when i had live gold, i dont renew it) , I could not believe my ears! All those new words the 10 year olds are learning...
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Post by: amble on November 02, 2009, 06:27:00 AM
The idea is technically sound. It's called ghosting:

QUOTE
Ghosting

Ghosting or "to ghost" is The act of one or more dead players spectating an alive enemy player, with the intent of revealing his or her actions or location to their alive comrades, giving them an unfair situational advantage. This is achieved usually through a voice chat program, such as Ventrillo, or an IRC client.

Ghosting may also be referred to as as "Venting" in popular games like Counter-Strike. The term derives from the most popular method of ghosting in Counter-Strike, which is to use the program Ventrillo, "venting" is short for "ventrillo-ing" meaning Using Ventrillo to ghost


I think they have implemented it poorly though, while I am for the result - it can definitely be done in a way that doesn't ruin peoples gameplay. For instance, when you die then you can only spec first person of people on your team, that way you don't get to see any more or less than them.

I used to play CS a lot and it did get on your nerves when just playing solo and there'd be two or three clan members tagged, that were obviously using TS2 to communicate after death and when it came down to 1 v 1 you were just at such a disadvantage.

A lot of the fixes implemented for CS though were server side configured, i.e. it was up to the server admin what gametype they were hosting.
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Post by: zainday on November 02, 2009, 06:41:00 AM
LMAO KILLERHORNET!

I never really even thought about the numbers thing , cause i usually have been callen it modern warfare 2....but that is funny.....

He said, Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare R2D2
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: shage on November 02, 2009, 06:56:00 AM
K i just said fuck it and put in cod5 again, so for all these people saying that party chat killed these games, why is it on random, several different games, more then half of the people are not even using the mic, i would way 70% dont even have a mic, so if thats the case, then ban them from playing these games also if you wanna use that bs reason. Last night on open chat, we couldnt even have talked if we wanted because most had no mic, the others were 13yr old kids screaming/singing/telling jokes into the mic, and the other half were a group of guys calling the 13yr old out with racial your momma childish shit, so where the fuck is the fun at?
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Post by: Obveron on November 02, 2009, 07:02:00 AM
Um, doesn't the kill cam show you where the opponents are too?  Couldn't I team speak, ventrilo, or telephone the info to my teamates?  Party chat is a must, noone wants to listen to annoying kids screaming and cursing racist homophobic remarks.

Modern Warfare has been removing alot lately, such a waste of a good game.
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Post by: BasicAir on November 02, 2009, 07:45:00 AM
I said this would be coming and probably with MW2 for over a year, yet none of my friends would listen to me. lol

I use party chat to cheat and help my party/team too but I would also rather it not be available as it is cheating.
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Post by: high five on November 02, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
they said private chat, but everyone uses party chat. But im guessing they mean party chat as well....

But I like it, I dont always have friends playing, so I have no one to talk to or strategize with. its alot easier to win if u know what the rest of your team is doing, where they are etc....
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Post by: ReturnOfSanta on November 02, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 1 2009, 07:38 PM) View Post

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move

Why is your 9 year old son playing a rated M game, especially if you don't want him to hear foul language?
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Post by: bill16504 on November 02, 2009, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(ReturnOfSanta @ Nov 2 2009, 11:06 AM) View Post

Why is your 9 year old son playing a rated M game, especially if you don't want him to hear foul language?

HAHA.. exactly! That was going to be my response. It's amazing how parents will put the blame on the developers and yet show no disgression themselves. It's just poor parenting.
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Post by: sektor1062 on November 02, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Rickets06 @ Nov 2 2009, 05:05 AM) View Post

what about taking the player out of the level after they die? too depressing? or making their screen blank... and give them something else to do like look at scores and stats and customizing their ****. Isn't that a good option?

because you know where they were.
Developers game, their choice. Frankly i like developers to have all the options they could ever want. It'll keep them happy and coming back.

QUOTE(ReturnOfSanta @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM) View Post

Why is your 9 year old son playing a rated M game, especially if you don't want him to hear foul language?

Exactly, and another good example of how people just don't understand... Because you already have the option to disable voice communication for your kids. But this is the option to disable "private chat" and not general voice communication. And the addition is for developers and not parents.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: |GateKeeper| on November 02, 2009, 09:39:00 AM
Ms is stupid what is next  have tournaments  
and no talking with your team mate
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: HotKnife420 on November 02, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(ReturnOfSanta @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM) View Post

Why is your 9 year old son playing a rated M game, especially if you don't want him to hear foul language?


 Not all 'M' rated games are rated 'M' for the same reason.

 COD is rated M for depictions of violence, not for language. I grew up on violent movies, and cartoons, but those movies/cartoons also didn't contain depictions of sex and/or foul language (movies may have the occasional word, but usually "lesser" swear words).

 I really don't see anything in the Call of Duty game itself that a typical 9 year old couldn't handle. Hell, there's not even really any blood or gore or anything (even tho the rating says there is, I didn't really notice a lot).
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: cwhistler on November 02, 2009, 10:12:00 AM
Does this mean I wont be able to talk to my friends playing other games while im playing mw2?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: xjustsumloserx on November 02, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
if this holds true for other games i'll just go back to what I did when playing Halo 2 (as their chat feature sucked) of talking on a 4 way phone call with a bluetooth headset.  Or I might give ventrillo a shot, but I'm not sure if that will work for some of my friends.  Regardless this is stupid, I only like talking to my friends when playing generally.  Hell most the time I play a game online i'm in party chat with people who are playing a different game.
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Post by: ReturnOfSanta on November 02, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Nov 2 2009, 07:09 AM) View Post

Not all 'M' rated games are rated 'M' for the same reason.

 COD is rated M for depictions of violence, not for language. I grew up on violent movies, and cartoons, but those movies/cartoons also didn't contain depictions of sex and/or foul language (movies may have the occasional word, but usually "lesser" swear words).

 I really don't see anything in the Call of Duty game itself that a typical 9 year old couldn't handle. Hell, there's not even really any blood or gore or anything (even tho the rating says there is, I didn't really notice a lot).

The game Modern Warfare 2 is being rated M for Violence, Gore, and Adult Language.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: barman1176 on November 02, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
I support it. If it's that terribly implemented then rest assured it'll be fixed. Other than that, posts from butthurt cheaters are good for laughs.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: seanhassars on November 02, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 1 2009, 10:38 PM) View Post

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move

should your 9 year old son really be playing call of duty?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: sektor1062 on November 02, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Nov 2 2009, 06:09 PM) View Post

Not all 'M' rated games are rated 'M' for the same reason.

 COD is rated M for depictions of violence, not for language. I grew up on violent movies, and cartoons, but those movies/cartoons also didn't contain depictions of sex and/or foul language (movies may have the occasional word, but usually "lesser" swear words).

 I really don't see anything in the Call of Duty game itself that a typical 9 year old couldn't handle. Hell, there's not even really any blood or gore or anything (even tho the rating says there is, I didn't really notice a lot).

Variations of F*ck are used about 5 times within the first minute of World at war
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: xcalixxryderx on November 02, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
the 9 year olds are half the problem with in game chat anyways. I have no problem with this new rule I have been on live since way before party chat and while I like being able to talk with friends I also feel it has made it harder to make new friends and it also sucks when I just want to play by myself becasue everyone is in a party. Only thing I need is a mute filter that would allow me to filter anyone under a certain age and i'll be happy.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: bonneville1992 on November 02, 2009, 12:18:00 PM
holy shit, more m$ lets screw the subscibers, man i'm really begining to hate this company, make up rules and shit as they go along.  I really feel sorry for us older guys, well i'm 37, and don't really want to listen to some of these younger crowd go on about there racist ect... bullshit coments.  no more live for me, personally i'm done. i wish the rest of you luck.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Devedander on November 02, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
What's wrong with just making you only able to spectate your own team mates when dead?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: cRACKmONKEY421 on November 02, 2009, 12:41:00 PM
I hardly use the live mic at all, so I really don't care, but blocking any chat seems pointless. Serious gamers can still use the computer or even a phone to chat through. Even if the goal is to prevent players from giving away other players' locations, there are a lot of better ways to do this. They could even just block private chat between players in the same game, but still allow private chat in general.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: HaredX on November 02, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
I hope this is just a rumor, I don't think even M$ would be stupid enough to do this. There are FAR better ways to discourage cheating than to completely disable private chat all-together. IE only disable private chat if the players in the chat are on separate teams on the same server or disable private chat when a player dies, or only incorporate disabled chat into hardcore servers. Who the hell do these guys have making decisions over there?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Looneytoonz on November 02, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 2 2009, 12:01 AM) View Post

Well this is just stupid !
There are plenty of other ways to stop people from being able to cheat via private chat.

But for anyone who pays for Xbox Live memberships for nephews kids etc. this is terrible because now those kids will be forced to listen to vulgarities from immature idiots who for some apparent reason feel the need to swear, make racial slurs etc.

I won't be renewing any memberships for my nephews anymore that's for sure.

 grr.gif


I do agree with you and a lot of other people on here on the fact that there are a lot of retarded, racist, immature idiots on xbox live that should not have the right to speak through a mic. This is FACT!

Also I am sure that they will have some disable mic feature for certain people in these games that you can disable individually. (For people who are not promoting teamwork by singing or unnecessary mic disruptions will in a room)

Here is where I DISAGREE.  smile.gif

Certain games like COD Modern Warfare 2 and other alike games are Violent\Adult Games that SHOULD NOT be played by a KID. That's why games come with ratings like "M" that the kids ELDERS\PARENTS always choose not to follow (Movies are the same way). In the Military there is Swearing, Racial Slurs, Violence, Killing etc. You can only expect games like these to attract people who enjoy this. THE GAMES THEMSELVES HAVE SWEARING BUILT INTO IT BY THE DEVOLOPERS!

The developers of these types of games are also just trying to better promote Teamwork by Making people on the same Team talk to each other and work together which is what the game is all about in multilayer online mode. I know I speak for a lot of true gamers that hate when you got guys on your team that are not talking to help complete the objective and goals of the team. Talking improves the overall experience of the game and restricting chat to only team members helps stop cheaters that are dead yelling out locations of live players to their friends of private chat.

Also the over racist retards don't bother me because I am an adult and they are just words from idiotic people. So teach your kids how to deal with it cuz that's how it is in games like these. I know how to block them out. Also if the F word slips out when i get killed then I should have to worry about some 9 year old's feelings getting hurt. I am an ADULT and the game is rated for ADULTS ONLY FOR A REASON. We should not have to watch what I say because there are children in the room. Granted Racist remarks are not a good thing but I am mature enough to pay it absolutely no attention and in fact just laugh when people bring it out..(YOU WOULDN'T LET YOUR KIDS HAND OUT AT NIGHT PARTING WITH OLDER TEENS AND ADULTS SO WHY WOULD YOU LET THEM PLAY VIOLENT ADULT GAMES WITH TEENS\ADULTS?)

SO, You wanna protect daddy's little 9 year old's precious ears and feelings?... SIMPLE!

  1. Take away his mic when playing violent games rated for adults that attract adults
 
  2. Buy them a Wii. "That is a more child friendly system) With games like Spongbob or Wii Sports Resort.

  3. Don't give them games rated M (That means MATURE if you haven't noticed)

You are the parent and are responsible for knowing what your kid is playing. Quit  blaming developers for forcing your kid in an adult environment. You already did by letting them play these type of games

If you feel you need to cancel or not renew your live subscription because of certain games that do this feature  then you are losing out on the complete xbox live experience over a feature in a game.

Just my 2 cents  happy.gif





Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: pu1se on November 02, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Fantastic news. Cry it off cheaters. Here is a simple solution: party up, mute everyone on other team, play the game. you wont hear what they say, they wont hear what you say... thats private chat. Only difference is u cant cheat. If thats still not good enough, vote with your wallet and dont buy the game... lol, what a joke
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: faithlesssoul on November 02, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
strait from ms (sorry for the rant come ms and iw why)

Start a Party
Choose a Topic

Sometimes you want to play a game and sometimes you just want to hang. You can use parties to do both.

Let's say that one friend is playing a solo game, two others are in the middle of a multiplayer game, and a fourth is watching a DVD; with parties you can all talk to each other on the same channel.

All of the people you want to chat with need to be signed in to Xbox LIVE with a Gold membership. To talk, you'll also need to use an Xbox 360 headset, though you can just listen through your speakers if you want.

but i guess we can take features any from you any time we want tongue.gif even if you been paying for live since
beta live over 6 years ago now come that's got to count for something ms. i pay for all the new experience
but i do not want to pay too have those taken away  grr.gif
that one of the best features and promotes more game sale when friend talk about games to each other
renters etc might not believe there friend that the game is great and i wil;l rent and talk to you about it
when we play in a party so we not bother others.
 Plus is this not what founded  xbox live in the first place consumers voice in the beging all we had was
talking to each other and that led to word of mouth aka hay man the voice on live works great and
works the same every time i am telling you should get man get and xbox with you will love the voice clear as a bell  biggrin.gif  ps they might take there voice back cause cheaters its a game people there will allways be cheater that will not change a thing.

do you relay think in this economy we want all our friends to go by more xboxs and new gamer tags just to use one xbox as a voice chat sever so friend don't have to listen to the annoying one bad comments trash talk
etc all the relay reason we play in party chat that messed up and not worth it for one game even mw2


So please patch this ms and infant ward  you guys are on the for  front of the gamer world and always have made great choice thats why were all  here in the first place.
so please i beg you don't do this to us.
Do the right thing and fix for all gamers alike a heartfelt good day sir
from you friend - the gamer - customer   pop.gif
 ps do not make me want to puke lol
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: ace_012 on November 02, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
This is ridiculous. The whole reason I even use party chat is so I don't have to listen to the immature idiots that always sing into the mic or blow my ears out with static, if M$ just banned them then I wouldn't even need to use private chat when I play the same game with my friends!

The other reason I use it is to talk with friends who are playing other games. That sounds so greedy to me, that a game developer will only let you talk to people who are playing the same game as you, and won't even let you talk to people who are playing a different game. If this is true I seriously doubt I will even play MW2 online.

I mean the reason I even pay for xbox live is for the features, if you take away those features why should anyone pay for it?

This post has been edited by ace_012: Nov 2 2009, 09:26 PM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: AcidPenguiN on November 02, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
QUOTE(pu1se @ Nov 2 2009, 09:14 PM) View Post

Fantastic news. Cry it off cheaters. Here is a simple solution: party up, mute everyone on other team, play the game. you wont hear what they say, they wont hear what you say... thats private chat. Only difference is u cant cheat. If thats still not good enough, vote with your wallet and dont buy the game... lol, what a joke


your argument is invalid as long as the cheaters have an internet connection and/or a telephone. There are hundreds of different ways the cheaters will continue to cheat.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: nastyn8 on November 02, 2009, 01:50:00 PM
This blows my mind? So what if people give out locations to other teammates....just adds fun to the game for me. Say I'm playing a clan and I'm the only one left alive in hardcore and I kill one of them. I know they will tell their buddies, so I move and kill the next person as they run over to where I was at. This is a massive rule for something minor and I hope it is just a rumor. This takes away my buzz for my preorder of mw2.  sad.gif
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: LockmanSal on November 02, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
Its about damn time, they should patch every multiplayer game.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: jdsony on November 02, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
It's too bad they can't just have MS employees patrol the games at random and shoot electric surges through the consoles to annoying kids.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: pu1se on November 02, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(AcidPenguiN @ Nov 2 2009, 09:45 PM) View Post

your argument is invalid as long as the cheaters have an internet connection and/or a telephone. There are hundreds of different ways the cheaters will continue to cheat.

I hardly see your point. The cheating issue is widespread and will continue to be until its not something so easy to do. In fact I think your point is invalid. How many people you think have their 360 right next to their pc, or would be comfortable giving their phone number to random ass pub players... now compare that number to... well everyone who has an xbox. Really? Hundreds of ways to cheat? riiiight. Seems like a great way to solve the problem.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: YoungGeekGuy on November 02, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
I usually just talk to my friends about, life, girls, money, stuff etc. I have never cheated using party chat. I don't want to talk to all of the ass holes in game chat.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: ZeroprisonerZ on November 02, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
Well this will make all the 24/7 playing- trash talking peeps extremely happy.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: tactical on November 02, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
I understand some people want to plan attack with other team-mates if some of the people are on private chat and can't communicate it sucks for the people that are trying to plan attacks and save team-mates.
If one private party want to challenge another private party, that would be cool feature.
Especially in games that NEED teamwork, I would like to have feature that only gets me in games with everyone with headset.
It should be setting in all mutliplayer games, the option to match people that click "must have headset plugged in " in settings.
People that want to be in party can start private game , right?
So , maybe compromise giving 4-7 a party chat team, and have 2 teams.

This post has been edited by tactical: Nov 2 2009, 11:58 PM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: blade007 on November 02, 2009, 04:04:00 PM
This is terrible, I only play online when I know my mates are online so I can have a private chat and a laugh with people I know. I got feed up of having to listen to kids high pitch screaming down the microphone through the whole game and childish swear words constantly like it was the new naughty word they learnt in the playground that day. I know they shouldnt be playing the game but it would be impossible for them to stop them so the next best option is not having to listen to them.

xbox-scene you need a poll for people to just vote so it is easy for all to see what the people want. This would also help fill up some of the blank spaces down the side of the site.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Muzzakus on November 02, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(tactical @ Nov 2 2009, 10:57 PM) View Post

I understand some people want to plan attack with other team-mates if some of the people are on private chat and can't communicate it sucks for the people that are trying to plan attacks and save team-mates.
If one private party want to challenge another private party, that would be cool feature.
Especially in games that NEED teamwork, I would like to have feature that only gets me in games with everyone with headset.
It should be setting in all mutliplayer games, the option to match people that click "must have headset plugged in " in settings.
People that want to be in party can start private game , right?
So , maybe compromise giving 4-7 a party chat team, and have 2 teams.


Thats not a bad idea.  2 levels of choice when joining a game :

1) Just For Fun - No teamwork needed, no mic restrictions, chat to your friends in a party, or don't chat at all
2) Serious - All about teamwork, must have a headset to join, team talk only, party chat disabled

That will allow people who wish to play it both ways.

Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: blade007 on November 02, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
Also from the statement "the private chat feature became a way of telling other players of enemy locations after being killed" implies that this is the killcam that is giving this away and them the info is being passed on over chat.

Simplez dont have KILL CAM, when would you get a change to watch back the video of you being killed anyway.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: TMownsu on November 02, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
Why wasn't this incorporated when parties/private chat went live?

If you are in a party, then join a MP game, it should automatically send you to the game channel of the server. The main reason people do not manually do this, is because it takes for ever to navigate to join game chat. Even worse is when the dashboard stops responding. Also everyone that is in the party will have to do it as well. It just doesn't make sense to think people will do this.

This is a good choice, & will bring back the point of playing MP; to win the match. To those that hate when people are annoying on the mic, use the mute player option.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: xc1234 on November 02, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
my mute button usage is going to increase 500% playing MW2  dry.gif
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: sledgegaming on November 02, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 2 2009, 06:38 AM) *

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move


Or you could practice a little real parenting and not let your 9 year old play a game like MW2 to begin with. Makes me sick how many people let their little kids play these games. What happened to the days when parents actually gave a shit about what their kids were seeing in media? You tried to look like a caring parent with this post, but failed miserably.

QUOTE(HaredX @ Nov 2 2009, 08:49 PM) *

I hope this is just a rumor, I don't think even M$ would be stupid enough to do this. There are FAR better ways to discourage cheating than to completely disable private chat all-together. IE only disable private chat if the players in the chat are on separate teams on the same server or disable private chat when a player dies, or only incorporate disabled chat into hardcore servers. Who the hell do these guys have making decisions over there?


It's not a rumor. MW2 has it. I'm confirming it right now even though I'm sure someone already has.

QUOTE(ReturnOfSanta @ Nov 2 2009, 07:00 PM) *

Not all 'M' rated games are rated 'M' for the same reason.

"COD is rated M for depictions of violence, not for language. I grew up on violent movies, and cartoons, but those movies/cartoons also didn't contain depictions of sex and/or foul language (movies may have the occasional word, but usually "lesser" swear words)."

The game Modern Warfare 2 is being rated M for Violence, Gore, and Adult Language.



Also has this guy not played zombies on WAW? Jezus. Not only do I have to make sure my kids aren't in the same room when I'm playing that game, but I have to turn the volume on the TV down as well. The F bomb is dropped constantly.

This post has been edited by sledgegaming: Nov 3 2009, 02:10 AM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: shage on November 02, 2009, 06:55:00 PM
QUOTE(ReturnOfSanta @ Nov 2 2009, 04:06 PM) View Post

Why is your 9 year old son playing a rated M game, especially if you don't want him to hear foul language?


You got to be one dumb ass, you sitting on your moms tit doesnt mean that kids dont hear the world shit, wtf is in halo for it to be M the guns, what about cod5, not have to hear some stupid ass group of monkeys talk about how they fucked your mom the night before, and how they are some gang who will gang rape the girl in the chat etc, big difference you fucking pos

QUOTE(sledgegaming @ Nov 3 2009, 02:09 AM) View Post

Or you could practice a little real parenting and not let your 9 year old play a game like MW2 to begin with. Makes me sick how many people let their little kids play these games. What happened to the days when parents actually gave a shit about what their kids were seeing in media? You tried to look like a caring parent with this post, but failed miserably.
It's not a rumor. MW2 has it. I'm confirming it right now even though I'm sure someone already has.
Also has this guy not played zombies on WAW? Jezus. Not only do I have to make sure my kids aren't in the same room when I'm playing that game, but I have to turn the volume on the TV down as well. The F bomb is dropped constantly.



Another one of you faggot ass homos who want to run off and pretend to know what parenting is, so i say hey son, play this game its not real have fun, no different then when i was a little boy playing bionic commando etc, or friday the 13th, but you fairy ass faggots want to find something else to play the poor ass parents on, you know what my son is in private school, straight As, plays 3 different instruments, and as far as i know doesnt cuss atleast not in front of us, want to top it off the wife works at a hab home where people with mental problems, shaken babies etc, where they are high function etc, they play live, and also play games like halo, these people are 45 yrs old but have the mind of a 12 yr old, so congratulations for being a complete smuck talking shit to one of them on live, again your a pos
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: nastyn8 on November 02, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
Wow  blink.gif  this thread is going in the wrong direction.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: ace_012 on November 02, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
I agree with the guy that said there should be like an option for this, in the gametypes. Like a tournmanet mlg style playlist and a regular playlist. I mean really, just because some people either would prefer to talk to strangers to strategize in a match to win, or just don't have friends, doesn't mean other people would like to enjoy playing a video game while socializing with their own friends. Obviously there is two sides of the fence, and I would guess it's just as easy to make both sides happy by doing what was explained earlier.

But like I said earlier, why do you actually want to pay money for the features of xbox live just to have it taken away?

This post has been edited by ace_012: Nov 3 2009, 03:12 AM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: CGMneon on November 02, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
The graphic in the article looks convincing, and I have no reason not to believe the writer, but I anxiously await confirmation or denial from another source.  Where's IGN, Gamespot, and TeamXbox on this story?  Why haven't they done their own piece describing this change?  Surely this is big news, right?  

I don't like this.  Not at all.  I have a feeling this kind of forced removal of in-game party chat is aimed directly at Cod4 players like my little group.  We don't want to socialize with the outside world and we do tell each other where our enemies are when we die.  But we suck.  We lose over half of our games and our kill ratio is just about .62.  So we are utterly harmless, right?  Leave us alone, MS and IW !
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on November 02, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
Okay Im sorry but this has to be said. Just don't play the game if you don't like it. God damn at least we get voice chat. PS3 doesn't come with a mic so no one uses it. Wii is just stupid not that it is coming out on it anyways. No one uses a mic on the pc these days (which is gonna suck anyway because they got rid of custom servers). Just set your mic settings to friends only (if you never get off of party chat then it doesn't matter now does it) and just play with your friends within the game chat. Look at least there giving us the option and Im sure they wouldn't do this if there wasn't so many damn cheating bastards on the last game. Actually I think they would have added this to COD4 if they knew about partys. So just be glad you got that couch your sitting on and the beer in your hand. Because shit is about to get real and you all need to grow up. Okay rant over. I do agree that the idea of developers getting the choice is kinda dumb. I think all ranked games should do this while all player/public games should allow party chat just my 2 cents.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Strikerzex911 on November 02, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
QUOTE(_8ight @ Nov 2 2009, 12:30 AM) View Post

So IW is going to force me to listen to all those little racist shits when I play online?  I'd rather talk to my friends.  Just because I sit in a party with my friends doesn't mean we're cheating.  It means we don't want to listen to others or have others listen to our conversation.  If IW is doing this... I won't be playing online with it much.  I play games online with my friends and if I can't enjoy their company while I play... I won't.

A feck you in advanced MS & IW.

So you think EVERYONE on live in a racist asshole?

I agree that there are people on live who should be fucking shot, but there ARE decent people on live who just want to play and fun while chatting it up. I've met dozens of people on live playing call of duty 4 who are really nice people. They don't insult or anything, they just chat  about everyday stuff and compliment others on their skills. You shouldn't EXPECT people to be mean all the time.

QUOTE(shage @ Nov 2 2009, 01:38 AM) View Post

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move

What the HELL is your kid doing playing a rated M game??? Seriously that's HORRIBLE parenting.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: defyreality on November 02, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 3 2009, 02:55 AM) View Post

You got to be one dumb ass, you sitting on your moms tit doesnt mean that kids dont hear the world shit, wtf is in halo for it to be M the guns, what about cod5, not have to hear some stupid ass group of monkeys talk about how they fucked your mom the night before, and how they are some gang who will gang rape the girl in the chat etc, big difference you fucking pos
Another one of you faggot ass homos who want to run off and pretend to know what parenting is, so i say hey son, play this game its not real have fun, no different then when i was a little boy playing bionic commando etc, or friday the 13th, but you fairy ass faggots want to find something else to play the poor ass parents on, you know what my son is in private school, straight As, plays 3 different instruments, and as far as i know doesnt cuss atleast not in front of us, want to top it off the wife works at a hab home where people with mental problems, shaken babies etc, where they are high function etc, they play live, and also play games like halo, these people are 45 yrs old but have the mind of a 12 yr old, so congratulations for being a complete smuck talking shit to one of them on live, again your a pos


you sound like your kids gonna turn out real good. the game is rated m, underage kids, should not be playing it, period. games like cod, induce aggresion, and e-thug attitudes, hence, not good for a young kid to be listening too. smart parents would realize that, and either not allow the kid to play it online or at all, or at the very least, not to have a chat mic. live is free range, ain't no one getting banned for talking shit.

here's an idea, they have this thing called mute. it's real new, i think they released it like, um, forever ago.
if some kid is singing into the mic or swearing, mute his ass, then he's gone forever. cod4/cod5 both allow you to quickly mute annoying players in game, but you can alway perma-mute with live.

no right thinking parent would allow their 9year old to play cod online, with a headset, and not expect them to hear some messed up shit. if your too lazy, or stupid to monitor your young kids activities while they are online in any fashion, guess what, your a shitty parent.

IF isn't lame, chances are, they will think it through, and probably only disallow party chat on the game modes that it seriously affects, like search and destroy. especially seeing as in the regular game modes like team deathmatch, you can talk to the other players in game from the grave anyways.


QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Nov 2 2009, 07:49 PM) View Post

Only thing I need is a mute filter that would allow me to filter anyone under a certain age and i'll be happy.


amen to that.  if i wanna hear whats going on in game, i'll listen to the ingame, if i wann bitch at my mates in my party, i'll do that.

giving the developer control over this feature doesn't mean bye bye private chat, it jsut allows them to disable a feature that has the ability to be taken advantage off.

mw2 isn't gonna be 100% no party chat, i'm sure it will only be disabled for modes like search & destroy.

QUOTE(xc1234 @ Nov 3 2009, 01:49 AM) View Post

my mute button usage is going to increase 500% playing MW2  dry.gif


best feature ever added to live and cod
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: highbomber on November 02, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I believe the majority will hate this "anti-feature." I enjoyed Party chat while it lasted...

As for the people rambling about parenting, to each his own. However, this update should not make a difference as to what kids hear. You can set a child account to chat and hear only with friends on there account.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: wilson2010 on November 02, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
the children! why wont anybody think of the children!

my 10 year old bdu wearing knucklehead is going to throw a fit when he cant teamspeak anymore while blowing up people on live. but damn it to hell if he hears it when someone calls him peckerface  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)


seriously i see what theyre trying to do but what stops people from just talking on teh pc. clans wont be bothered and seriously the last thing i want to do when i casually game is talk and even more listen to other peoples smart ass comments. lot of effort for nothing if you ask me.

This post has been edited by wilson2010: Nov 3 2009, 07:47 AM
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: jurrabi on November 03, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
I understand the motives for the measure.
I mean, all of we have seen many people playing teams but in opposite teams! Telling the friend where the enemy is after dying. That's plain cheating!

But let me tell you one thing MS. Cheaters will always find the way... I they wanna cheat they will. For example using external chat (on PC for example).

This measure is not effective and will piss a lot of people (like me and most of the previous hundred posters)

HERE IS A CONSTRUCTIVE IDEA:

Allow Party Chat, but as soon as you die, you can only communicate with dead people. I mean, like game chat, but limited to your party.

MS YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT PARTY CHAT IS A MUST FOR MANY MANY OF THE PLAYERS.

Before it I had the "only friends" global communication option... I guess I'll be back to that if they change the way this works.
That was fine, but party chat is much better.
With only friends option I don't have the option to step out to the game channel to apologize to a teammate that I have killed accidentally for example... avoiding being kill by revengers in the following games....

Please MS rethink the whole thing.

Jur.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: somenutter on November 03, 2009, 04:41:00 AM
I think this has been done to save on bandwidth, because at the moment they have to have 2 chat channels if you like, so i think this move is mainly to save money on upgrading there service to cater for the lag it gets from it, am i wrong ?

Also this wont stop cheaters i have 4 360s so if i wanted to cheat i could use another one to chat on an a lot of kids have more than one xbox, like my nephews have three in there house so they could still cheat if they want to.

I think this is a stupid move from microsoft, as usual its to save money  grr.gif
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: johnnyrico on November 03, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
How about they just disable speccing or limit it. Those who actually use party chat to mess like that can always use skype or teamspeak instead. Now they're only creating another problem.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: yaazz on November 03, 2009, 07:28:00 AM
Why wouldn't they just say: If you are in a party chat, and at least two members of the party are in the same multiplayer lobby, then those two players are forced into game chat until one of the party members leaves.

This would allow people to still talk to their freinds in seperate matches and seperate games, but allow a fair playing field for everyone else
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: pu1se on November 03, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
I'm hearing a lot of crying over how IW is designing THEIR game. It is absolutely so easy to understand. They build the game, you play it, or you don't. That's it. If they want to make the game more competitive and less casual, that's their choice to make, and I personally applaud them for it.   I have been saying forever how cheater chat is ruining the balance of competitive play since it was implemented. Complain all you want, IW wont change it.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: spinr34 on November 03, 2009, 10:02:00 AM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Nov 3 2009, 04:41 AM) View Post

I think this has been done to save on bandwidth, because at the moment they have to have 2 chat channels if you like, so i think this move is mainly to save money on upgrading there service to cater for the lag it gets from it, am i wrong ?

Also this wont stop cheaters i have 4 360s so if i wanted to cheat i could use another one to chat on an a lot of kids have more than one xbox, like my nephews have three in there house so they could still cheat if they want to.

I think this is a stupid move from microsoft, as usual its to save money  grr.gif


well, you asked if you're wrong and you are. parties aren't hosted by microsoft. a party is hosted by the person who starts the party. so, microsoft uses no bandwidth for the party feature. consequently, this isn't a move for them to save money. all it is is a switch that allows developers to control when a player can be in party chat or not. so if you're upset, blame infinity ward, not microsoft.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: gehx on November 03, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
lame!
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Meethatguy on November 03, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Nov 2 2009, 07:44 AM) View Post

About time M$.  Totally support this move.  Party chat has deminished the social community aspect of Live.  All these people with friend lists 10 miles long who are complaining, I bet you met them through public chat way back when it was the only option.  Otherwise you're in the rare minority.

Now when I want a quick blast and have a few laughs I dont need to rely on my real friends to be logged in.  I enjoy meeting new people.

We all have experienced annoying users trying to greif us, but the exegerations expressed here...LOL, it's like Hitler himself has 30 million clones out there all playing.

Find a crap user?  file a report, mute - Done.  It's not the end of the world.

I hope this is mandatory for all upcoming team muliplayer games, and is patched into already released titles. Natch!

Yeah... Im sorry..
But the "Social community aspect" you speak of was torn to shreds about the time that halo 2 came out.
I mean, Trash typing was full force in PC games.... but once halo 2 came about it sent out deadly waves of stupid to all that used it, and those that were receptive enough ( i mean stupid) turned full disrespectful pieces of garbage.
From then on Live "socializing" was turned into a cesspool of homophobic, racial dribble that numbs my brain every time I hear it. To see how worthlessly selfish, disrespectful and ignorant kids are nowadays makes me hope that 2012 is the end because it wont get any better.
Socializing has mutated into 140 charter limits, minus vowels, punctuation and even changeing the places of letters differently because you want to be cool.

hell, even in Socom on Ps2, or something like KIllzone 1, twisted metal didnt have the amount of bubblescum that populates live.
What the hell is bubblescum?
I have had children threaten my life, threten to come to my house and rape my less then 2 year old daughter because they heard her cry.... How many times I have heard  "I blah blah blah your mother" "Im gonna kill you"  and etc... in my 5 years on live... And what for?  not for yelling, not even for breathing into the mic because I turn mine off unless talking...
For getting a better score then them, for killing them twice in a row... or something equally as stupid. Its BS to make you have to take the time to mute these idiots because all 14 people on my friends list I know personally. So Its nice to be able to bitch about the day to people that arent going to call you gay 18 times in one sentence or a fa**ot because they think it means something other then a bundle of sticks for a fire. (which by the way, is exactly what it means dopies not the way you idiots use it.)

Anyway..
My point is to call Xbox live any type of social community is openly admitting the decline of..... everything "proper" i guess would be it. English has been destroyed, now lets berate everyone to make ourselves feel better.. Oh wait .. that guy made a witty comment and made people laugh at me, Im gonna get all my friends to report him for doing the same exact thing I did only better.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Derfuhrer on November 03, 2009, 02:31:00 PM
@ above post

Well said  laugh.gif

I wont be in game chat as I have no patience for immaturity, rudeness and young wankers who think they are tough as they hide behind their 360's. Im all for bringing back the 'community' but those of us who have been around know the 'community' as we knew it is gone! Surely there has to be a better way to stop or limit cheating. But as with many things its the good that are punished while the cheaters & pirates just find another way.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Muzzakus on November 03, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
Man. It's nowhere near as bad as you 2 guys above are making it out to be.   You've been burnt hard - I'm sorry, but lets not boil down a few bad experiences to the broader playing field.  Hello, I also use live - if it was all like you put it I'd be on board with you.  But as it stands I've had great times with like minded individuals in MP that I've never met.  The muting is an option, and most games have it built in to the leaderboard requiring a single click to get the job done, lets not make a greek tragedy out of it.

EDIT : maybe it's a regional symptom.  I'm in AU and find Australians to be great sports.  Heres hoping M$ mandates gaming universe selection as part of all MP games.  I see it in PS3 games quite often, yet to see an xbox game do the same.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Meeek on November 03, 2009, 04:43:00 PM
Everyone's forgetting one main point in all this..

as "gold" subscribers we pay to use party chat/private chats, so for them to let a dev take away something we pay yearly for is complete bs IMO
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: somenutter on November 03, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(spinr34 @ Nov 3 2009, 06:02 PM) View Post

well, you asked if you're wrong and you are. parties aren't hosted by microsoft. a party is hosted by the person who starts the party. so, microsoft uses no bandwidth for the party feature. consequently, this isn't a move for them to save money. all it is is a switch that allows developers to control when a player can be in party chat or not. so if you're upset, blame infinity ward, not microsoft.



so having party chat and game chat uses none of microsoft's resources ? only the people using the service ?

so if thats true then disabling the extra chat line will cause less lag in games ?
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Meeek on November 03, 2009, 06:10:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Nov 3 2009, 07:35 PM) View Post

so having party chat and game chat uses none of microsoft's resources ? only the people using the service ?

so if thats true then disabling the extra chat line will cause less lag in games ?


not enough to notice.. like for example ending chat will not get you 5 bars instead of 4..
plus you're still in game channel which is sending and receiving voice as well.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: EvilKungFuPanda on November 03, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 2 2009, 12:38 AM) *

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move




Actually you are a bad parent for letting your 9yr old play M rated games.im want to thank you for your smart move blink.gif  blink.gif
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: trentdadi on November 03, 2009, 06:39:00 PM
I'm not sure what games you guys are playing, but Xbox LIVE seriously isn't THAT bad.  I just spent probably about 2 hours playing World at War and not once did I hear someone spouting this racial garbage you guys are talking about.  In fact I have a good 2 days playing time total on that game and I can't ever remember anyone saying anything offensive...  Maybe I am just lucky or I might not pay attention.

However when I watch my Bro play CoD4, I never really hear anything, but he is constantly getting hate mail telling him he is garbage and to quit playing CoD4 right now... So I don't know if it really goes by the game, but I haven't yet had a problem with World at War.

I will have to wait till this change actually comes out before I decide if I like it or not.  A lot of my friends aren't usually on Xbox LIVE sametime I am, so it doesn't really bother me THAT much that I can't talk in party chat.  I just don't like having options taken away from me.  I just hope this change forces people to be more tactical instead of just talking to their friends.  I have never been in a match where we used any form of team-work.  I think it could add more depth to the game, which would put it in a league of it's own.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: HotKnife420 on November 03, 2009, 07:45:00 PM
QUOTE(pu1se @ Nov 3 2009, 05:33 PM) View Post

I'm hearing a lot of crying over how IW is designing THEIR game. It is absolutely so easy to understand. They build the game, you play it, or you don't. That's it. If they want to make the game more competitive and less casual, that's their choice to make, and I personally applaud them for it.   I have been saying forever how cheater chat is ruining the balance of competitive play since it was implemented. Complain all you want, IW wont change it.


 Right. Because developers never listen to what consumers want, unless they're deliberately not going to give it to them rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(EvilKungFuPanda @ Nov 4 2009, 02:32 AM) View Post

Actually you are a bad parent for letting your 9yr old play M rated games.im want to thank you for your smart move blink.gif  blink.gif


 Ugh, this again? Since when is violence with "army men" something that's bad for 9yr old boys?

QUOTE(trentdadi @ Nov 4 2009, 02:39 AM) View Post

I'm not sure what games you guys are playing, but Xbox LIVE seriously isn't THAT bad.  I just spent probably about 2 hours playing World at War and not once did I hear someone spouting this racial garbage you guys are talking about.  


 I believe that W@W still has the allowance for people to be in party chat, so it's drastically reduced from what it used to be (the derrogatory comments, that is). Last I played Gears of War it was still pretty rampant.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: 1nsan3 on November 03, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
First off of course, you will never stop the cheaters from telling there buddys where your at.
Ive strayed way away from Public matches just because of cheaters... thats all most games are now days run n gun etc. everyone wants to get to the top of the scoreboard and they dont give a shi* how they get there.

I play with friends in public matches like COD just to get up all the guns then we all go off to private for the rest of the duration of the life of COD.  

I like online play where when ya die, thats it you die and DONT respawn, and voice is completley off. respawn is fun for a while but gets boring after a SHORT while.

anyways.. i dont really care in the end what way they go, since we dont even have a say in it.

atleast they put a somewhat stop to the modded controllers. thank god.

So.. to all you MODDED CONTROLLER FREAKS OUT THERE: "Its not our fault you SUCK ASS at gamming."

p.s. what i love is one with a modded controller.. yelling out: "I OWN YOU!!!!" but when they shut it off they couldnt shoot the damn ground!!!
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: stopbuggingme on November 04, 2009, 02:04:00 AM
I cant believe how fucking stupid this is. Does IW even understand that not everyone wants to speak english when playing games. This will just cause me and my friends to fill the gamechat with jibberish that other people dont understand whatsoever, this will cause mute-mania 2009. Bad fucking idea IW. You're becoming as shitty as those incompetent fucks over at treyarch.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: wassco on November 04, 2009, 07:55:00 AM
QUOTE(shage @ Nov 2 2009, 12:38 AM) *

Stupidest thing ever, for one my 9 yr old son is only allowed to play in his party chat during game play, second tonight playing cod5 i had to hear some kid sing into the mic, some person blast music the whole time, a group of friends who decided to use racial slurs thru out the game, score one for ms giving into a big title game like mw2, cant wait to tape the conversations my 9yr old has to hear and call ms and thank them for their smart move




Whats the rating again for MW2? your 9 yr old is how old... (obviously im asking a very stupid question....)

you dont liek whats being said online... DONT LET YOUR CHILD PLAY THE GAME THEN!!!
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Shiny Lunch Box on November 04, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
i dont mind it as much.
on mw2 it only stops you using party chat on team game modes.
on other modes like mercenary team deathmatch it is allowed
its not allowed on the 3rd person game modes either

you can still use private chat in all game modes so its really not that bad tbh
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Obveron on November 04, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
It just makes no sense.  Party chat is the best feature to be added to xbox live.  Allowing games to disable it is a big mistake.
IW is removing the feature due to cheating.  But really, how long are you dead in COD multiplayer, a few seconds?
You can relay the info you learned while dead and spectating, as soon as you respawn.  and ofcourse, you can use a pc or telephone to send the info.  It's dumb to bother to TRY to stop it, by removing a great feature, when it won't even successfull stop the "cheaters" anyways.
If they want us to be in the dark after death, remove the killcam and spectating ability.  Even after that, I can still recall where i was killed last, and use that info after next respawn.  Perhaps the solution is to then, remove respawns?! haha rediculous!

Team talk after death isn't a big deal.  It's not cheating, because all players can do it.  I agree it removes realism, but so does spectating, kill cams, and respawns.

I refuse to use the in-game chat.  Before part chat, i simply unplugged my mic.   Many people on xblive are not worth chatting with.  Actually, many people make using the mic unbearable!  Mute function is good, but not good enough.  It's simply a hassle to mute tons of people all the time.
If it automuted everyone, and i could then un-mute those i wanted, THAT would be better.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Muzzakus on November 05, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Wow, People have lost all touch what’s social.  Am I, along with my real friends (in our 30's) the only ones on this planet that think it curious to drop our party chat and say Hi to our team mates?  

It's just common curtsey.  You are playing along with these people, have the decency to communicate with them like a human being.  Yes they may throw it back in your face on occasion – show them the light, be vigilant and be instrumental in building decent online behaviour.  

Frankly you’re no better by being silently rude.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: Obveron on November 05, 2009, 06:23:00 AM
Well, we've always has the option to drop party chat to say hello to the other teammates.  now we don't have the option to part chat in the first place.
it's all about options, now, we have less.
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: delukard on November 06, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
i love my 360, but this move will turn xbox live to psn and i hate psn.
I used to have the ps3 and sold it because the lack of an online comunity.
I love party chat, and that´s the only reason y pay the gold membership.
To me if they remove pàrty chat(wich most companies will do that) i´ll just don´t pay for the gold membership again.(i don´t play stupid and repetitive FPS anyway.)

I´m wondering what the !"·%$·% microsoft executives are paid for, they bark the wrong ideas and the stupid person in charge of the xbox implements them.

That´s what happens when BILL GATES is not running the company anymore.(at least at the beggining the xbox was a gaming machine design for hardcore gamers)
TBH i found it stupid that just because of one !"·$$·% game and people complaining about

OHHHH i just died because that guy is telling that guy where i am, i´m gonna call my momy so my momy complains to microsoft. MOMYYYYYYYYYYY buaaaaaa, buaaaa, buaaa
"!$"!·$ crybabys
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: cilo911 on November 08, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Nov 2 2009, 01:51 AM) View Post

and how often in real life to you find the ghost of a soldier going around telling his squad the enimey locations? thats how the games are ment to be played if alive you use team work if dead you cant talk to any except dead people.


And how many times have too came back to life IN REAL LIFE

its a run and gun arcade game like Halo they just killed the old gamers ever enjoying this game

time to start lan muhaha.gif  parties
Title: MS forcefully removes private chat from upcoming titles
Post by: yoda1138777 on November 09, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
I really liked party chat especially if one of my friends was on another game. I guess a lot of people will just changed their console settings to friends only then there will be silence. It takes way to long to mute, avoid, and file complaints on each gamertag. There are too many jerks out there.