Post by: fargo_sWe on November 23, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
I mean, for God sake, apart from being able to download games on the hard drive (which is great) what are the other USEFUL functionalities that adds the 360 degree entertainment? Those half retarded Wii rip-off avatars?
Up till today Xbox original (modified) in combination with XBMC (Xbox Media Player) is the best multimedia machine (for living rooms) on the market and that grandpa is six years old now! Why is that folks? Well I will tell you why: Functionality, Usability, Rapid development
Why a multinational and multi billion dollar company can't come up with something more creative is for me a big unanswered mystery. Is the whole Xbox crew in Redmond on crazy pills or something? Surely they must have have a chance looking XBMC. How can you not be inspired? How can you not want to do something even slightly as good?
We are living in the 21st century and Microsoft has still not been able to sort out a web browser that works on TV... This is seriously retarded. And this Media extender bullsh*t what is that? If I could operate my Dreambox (satellite decoder), my windows mobile phone and access my Linux Network Area Storage I would be happy but I can't so why don't you stop all that marketing blabber and be honest about the whole thing. Thanks to Microsoft proprietary software strategy I'm surprised my xbox even fits to my non-American electrical wall socket. Wake up and smell the coffee geeks, there is no such thing as a 360 experience on a Xbox 360 Bill-Gates-people!
Oh, by the way, did I mention that I can operate both with my Dreambox satellite box and my Linux NAS from XBMC?
Actually this takes me to my actual point and that is the built in lack of multimedia support because this is by far the most disastrous thing with the Xbox 360 experience, new and old. Take the media player for example: What a piece of sh*t! How many time do I have to click the controller to play a God damn song? The interface and the functionality is worse than the built in sound recorder in Windows 98.
When I first heard about the New Xbox Experience I had my hopes up but halfway through the project, when "features" stared to leak out, I and millions of fans just sighed and shook their heads - once again.
Clearly there was only one thing in mind with this upgrade and that was to increase on-line sales and that is OK if the EXPERIENCE was taken care of. Were is the NEW experience??! At least give me a media player that plays Internet radio, an Email reader and support for RSS!!!
And now DivX. Dear Microsoft I understand business development and I'm aware you're in bed with Netfilx, and that you believe that that will have a negative impact on sales if your machine could play DVD rips as well. Well I've got news for you: Dream on! People will probably download even more because of this. At least have the balls giving your customers a choice. You force us to use third party software like Tversity. Why, why, why?!!! You don't think people know? Oh and I'm not living in America so I guess I have to keep downloading movies anyway...
Think of the potential this machine has...awesome piece of hardware and massive power under the hood. People could do magic with it! The Xbox crew has shown that their intentions with this piece of hardware is below PacMan à la 1983. Bill, fire them all!
If it wasn't for the XBMC my Xbox original would have have had close encounters with the trash bin long time ago. Not even worth warming your feet on a cold winters day. But no, I love it and I love it because of XBMC. Please Mr. Gates make my Xbox 360 be a true universal 360 entertainment machine next time you upgrade the software or give the audience what the audience wants: Access, access to the box.
/fArGo
Post by: S_T_S_OM on November 23, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
u c where im getting at? everything is presented to be perfect and have everything, but u cant actually expect to HAVE everything! its like an "all-included" hotel. not every hotel has a gym and a tennis court ect. but it still says "all-included".
dont get me wrong, i am disappointed like u cause i had high hopes for the 360 too. but u cant expect to get it all...
Post by: brandogg on November 23, 2008, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: 19Ripper75 on November 23, 2008, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: here2rock on November 23, 2008, 08:29:00 PM
Multimedia capabilities are pathetic to say the least. PS3 is so much better in this regard with built in wireless network instead of paying $175 (Australian dollars) for$30 hardware. PS3 plays almost anything I throw at it but Xbox 360 struggles with even standard MPEG files.
Xbox 360 could have killed the PS3 and Wii if it had built in internet browser, able to play DVDs from your PC, built in wireless network card and more compatibility with media files.
Yeah live should be free! The problem is greed no wonder we have a problem with piracy, the large corporation get too greedy.
This post has been edited by here2rock: Nov 24 2008, 04:30 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on November 30, 2008, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE(here2rock @ Nov 23 2008, 10:29 PM) 
Multimedia capabilities are pathetic to say the least. PS3 is so much better in this regard with built in wireless network instead of paying $175 (Australian dollars) for$30 hardware.
Xbox 360 could have killed the PS3 and Wii if it had built in internet browser, able to play DVDs from your PC, built in wireless network card and more compatibility with media files.
1. then why don't you either
A. run a wire, as wireless sucks
B. get a cheap $30 adapter instead of the official one. it will work fine.
2. i actually have a device that has a web browser. in fact, i'm using it right now to type this message. its called my computer
a web browser on a console is a useless gimmick. why not play your dvd's in your 360? it does have a built in dvd player after all.
a built in wireless card would have increased the cost of the system. the fact the 360 had optional accessories, so people who didn't need them didn't have to pay for them, is why the 360 launched at 400 and the ps3 launched at 600.
the compatibility with media files is probably for legal reasons. there are probably licensing fees for some formats that aren't supported, and others may not be supported due to licensing requirements
Post by: evilempire86 on November 30, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 30 2008, 09:24 PM) 
1. then why don't you either
A. run a wire, as wireless sucks
B. get a cheap $30 adapter instead of the official one. it will work fine.
2. i actually have a device that has a web browser. in fact, i'm using it right now to type this message. its called my computer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) a web browser on a console is a useless gimmick.
why not play your dvd's in your 360? it does have a built in dvd player after all.
a built in wireless card would have increased the cost of the system. the fact the 360 had optional accessories, so people who didn't need them didn't have to pay for them, is why the 360 launched at 400 and the ps3 launched at 600.
the compatibility with media files is probably for legal reasons. there are probably licensing fees for some formats that aren't supported, and others may not be supported due to licensing requirements
I'm in the same boat as you (or at least a similar one, we're on the same river at least!),
Most of the OP's complaints don't make too much sense :
To say the least, I'm far from impressed with the new Xbox experience. The so called "New Experience" is merely a cosmetic jada jada and some well needed content management done by ignorant marketing people in Redmond. Unbelievably disappointing Microsoft!
Most reviewers (and gamers that I know) have embraced the NXE, and I personally think its a step forward, it looks better and has improved functionality over the old "Blades" system. A console has to evolve to survive, and thats what Microsoft are doing with the NXE.
Up till today Xbox original (modified) in combination with XBMC (Xbox Media Player) is the best multimedia machine (for living rooms) on the market and that grandpa is six years old now! Why is that folks? Well I will tell you why: Functionality, Usability, Rapid development
The reason that the 360 dash is not in rapid development like XBMC was is that it's a genuine product, it has to work for everyone that has a 360, not the "Leet" few that have a modded console. The 360 Dash has evolved a lot in 3 years (plenty of new features added
Why a multinational and multi billion dollar company can't come up with something more creative is for me a big unanswered mystery. Is the whole Xbox crew in Redmond on crazy pills or something? Surely they must have have a chance looking XBMC. How can you not be inspired? How can you not want to do something even slightly as good?
Why would they need to do all this work, when the console is still selling like hot-cakes? They are not going to waste time on features that large percentage of the user base aren't interested in. The clue is in the name, its a GAMES CONSOLE! Its for playing next generation games. Why would they include features that are going to be used (mostly) by people who get TV shows and Movies from torrents (piracy?)?
We are living in the 21st century and Microsoft has still not been able to sort out a web browser that works on TV... This is seriously retarded. And this Media extender bullsh*t what is that? If I could operate my Dreambox (satellite decoder), my windows mobile phone and access my Linux Network Area Storage I would be happy but I can't so why don't you stop all that marketing blabber and be honest about the whole thing. Thanks to Microsoft proprietary software strategy I'm surprised my xbox even fits to my non-American electrical wall socket. Wake up and smell the coffee geeks, there is no such thing as a 360 experience on a Xbox 360 Bill-Gates-people!
Blah Blah Blah, spit the dummy, blah blah.....
Actually this takes me to my actual point and that is the built in lack of multimedia support because this is by far the most disastrous thing with the Xbox 360 experience, new and old. Take the media player for example: What a piece of sh*t! How many time do I have to click the controller to play a God damn song? The interface and the functionality is worse than the built in sound recorder in Windows 98.
Again, its a games machine. To play an album, its fairly easy, hit the guide button, go one tab across, music, choose the album, play album. What do you want, some kind of telepathic system where it plays exactly the song you are thinking of? Get a life.....
When I first heard about the New Xbox Experience I had my hopes up but halfway through the project, when "features" stared to leak out, I and millions of fans just sighed and shook their heads - once again.
Clearly there was only one thing in mind with this upgrade and that was to increase on-line sales and that is OK if the EXPERIENCE was taken care of. Were is the NEW experience??! At least give me a media player that plays Internet radio, an Email reader and support for RSS!!!
Are you that poor that you can't afford a PC? (Wait, you posted that, so obviously not). Theres no point on having a web browser on the 360, as it would look crap for people on small tellies and there is no keyboard. I REPEAT, IT IS A GAMES MACHINE..........
And now DivX. Dear Microsoft I understand business development and I'm aware you're in bed with Netfilx, and that you believe that that will have a negative impact on sales if your machine could play DVD rips as well. Well I've got news for you: Dream on! People will probably download even more because of this. At least have the balls giving your customers a choice. You force us to use third party software like Tversity. Why, why, why?!!! You don't think people know? Oh and I'm not living in America so I guess I have to keep downloading movies anyway...
Again, Microsoft are not going to promote technology that is commonly used for pirating movies. All the DVD's that I have ripped (which I own), are on an external drive, divx'd, and play fine.
Think of the potential this machine has...awesome piece of hardware and massive power under the hood. People could do magic with it! The Xbox crew has shown that their intentions with this piece of hardware is below PacMan à la 1983. Bill, fire them all!
It is an awesome piece of hardware, and it does what its supposed to. The sales figures show that most people are satisifed with it, and the good reviews of the NXE show that most people are liking it.
If it wasn't for the XBMC my Xbox original would have have had close encounters with the trash bin long time ago. Not even worth warming your feet on a cold winters day. But no, I love it and I love it because of XBMC. Please Mr. Gates make my Xbox 360 be a true universal 360 entertainment machine next time you upgrade the software or give the audience what the audience wants: Access, access to the box.
They are not going to open up the 360 for hackers, no matter how many times you ask (or offer to get on your knee's for them). The reason for this is that they are AGAINST piracy, as the game licences are how they make money from the 360, the hardware margins are small. If they opened the system up for access, a new (non-drive based) piracy method would be opened up. Microsoft is a business, designed to make money, people seem to forget this....
If you want a super duper leet linux NAS Dreambox Divx all access, then get something else. Also, you are a pirate.
This post has been edited by evilempire86: Nov 30 2008, 09:20 PM
Post by: Mushy2000 on December 01, 2008, 06:32:00 AM
QUOTE(evilempire86 @ Nov 30 2008, 09:16 PM)
I'm in the same boat as you (or at least a similar one, we're on the same river at least!),
Most of the OP's complaints don't make too much sense :
To say the least, I'm far from impressed with the new Xbox experience. The so called "New Experience" is merely a cosmetic jada jada and some well needed content management done by ignorant marketing people in Redmond. Unbelievably disappointing Microsoft!
Most reviewers (and gamers that I know) have embraced the NXE, and I personally think its a step forward, it looks better and has improved functionality over the old "Blades" system. A console has to evolve to survive, and thats what Microsoft are doing with the NXE.
Up till today Xbox original (modified) in combination with XBMC (Xbox Media Player) is the best multimedia machine (for living rooms) on the market and that grandpa is six years old now! Why is that folks? Well I will tell you why: Functionality, Usability, Rapid development
The reason that the 360 dash is not in rapid development like XBMC was is that it's a genuine product, it has to work for everyone that has a 360, not the "Leet" few that have a modded console. The 360 Dash has evolved a lot in 3 years (plenty of new features added
Why a multinational and multi billion dollar company can't come up with something more creative is for me a big unanswered mystery. Is the whole Xbox crew in Redmond on crazy pills or something? Surely they must have have a chance looking XBMC. How can you not be inspired? How can you not want to do something even slightly as good?
Why would they need to do all this work, when the console is still selling like hot-cakes? They are not going to waste time on features that large percentage of the user base aren't interested in. The clue is in the name, its a GAMES CONSOLE! Its for playing next generation games. Why would they include features that are going to be used (mostly) by people who get TV shows and Movies from torrents (piracy?)?
We are living in the 21st century and Microsoft has still not been able to sort out a web browser that works on TV... This is seriously retarded. And this Media extender bullsh*t what is that? If I could operate my Dreambox (satellite decoder), my windows mobile phone and access my Linux Network Area Storage I would be happy but I can't so why don't you stop all that marketing blabber and be honest about the whole thing. Thanks to Microsoft proprietary software strategy I'm surprised my xbox even fits to my non-American electrical wall socket. Wake up and smell the coffee geeks, there is no such thing as a 360 experience on a Xbox 360 Bill-Gates-people!
Blah Blah Blah, spit the dummy, blah blah.....
Actually this takes me to my actual point and that is the built in lack of multimedia support because this is by far the most disastrous thing with the Xbox 360 experience, new and old. Take the media player for example: What a piece of sh*t! How many time do I have to click the controller to play a God damn song? The interface and the functionality is worse than the built in sound recorder in Windows 98.
Again, its a games machine. To play an album, its fairly easy, hit the guide button, go one tab across, music, choose the album, play album. What do you want, some kind of telepathic system where it plays exactly the song you are thinking of? Get a life.....
When I first heard about the New Xbox Experience I had my hopes up but halfway through the project, when "features" stared to leak out, I and millions of fans just sighed and shook their heads - once again.
Clearly there was only one thing in mind with this upgrade and that was to increase on-line sales and that is OK if the EXPERIENCE was taken care of. Were is the NEW experience??! At least give me a media player that plays Internet radio, an Email reader and support for RSS!!!
Are you that poor that you can't afford a PC? (Wait, you posted that, so obviously not). Theres no point on having a web browser on the 360, as it would look crap for people on small tellies and there is no keyboard. I REPEAT, IT IS A GAMES MACHINE..........
And now DivX. Dear Microsoft I understand business development and I'm aware you're in bed with Netfilx, and that you believe that that will have a negative impact on sales if your machine could play DVD rips as well. Well I've got news for you: Dream on! People will probably download even more because of this. At least have the balls giving your customers a choice. You force us to use third party software like Tversity. Why, why, why?!!! You don't think people know? Oh and I'm not living in America so I guess I have to keep downloading movies anyway...
Again, Microsoft are not going to promote technology that is commonly used for pirating movies. All the DVD's that I have ripped (which I own), are on an external drive, divx'd, and play fine.
Think of the potential this machine has...awesome piece of hardware and massive power under the hood. People could do magic with it! The Xbox crew has shown that their intentions with this piece of hardware is below PacMan à la 1983. Bill, fire them all!
It is an awesome piece of hardware, and it does what its supposed to. The sales figures show that most people are satisifed with it, and the good reviews of the NXE show that most people are liking it.
If it wasn't for the XBMC my Xbox original would have have had close encounters with the trash bin long time ago. Not even worth warming your feet on a cold winters day. But no, I love it and I love it because of XBMC. Please Mr. Gates make my Xbox 360 be a true universal 360 entertainment machine next time you upgrade the software or give the audience what the audience wants: Access, access to the box.
They are not going to open up the 360 for hackers, no matter how many times you ask (or offer to get on your knee's for them). The reason for this is that they are AGAINST piracy, as the game licences are how they make money from the 360, the hardware margins are small. If they opened the system up for access, a new (non-drive based) piracy method would be opened up. Microsoft is a business, designed to make money, people seem to forget this....
If you want a super duper leet linux NAS Dreambox Divx all access, then get something else. Also, you are a pirate.
Good job, you wrote that whole post for nothing just because of this one line...grow up...
Post by: Wilhelm_I on December 01, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
(even though I think they should not suppress DivX which is way better than WMV...).Didnt want the crap it didnt even ask me if I wanted to update (Well it did but actually after it had installed it already which made me furious).
It looks like a cheap rip off from XBMC's Project Mayhem, the only good new feature I found is the party chat, dont care about the harddrive feature can rerip my originals if one of my backups is too scratched and I only got a 20gig harddrive anyway...
Additionally my Xbox doesnt have any sound anymore because it wrecked it now I always have to do the retarded harddrive swapping trick before I can use it which sucks balls, reminds me of Russian technology give it a kick and it works again(is actually even true for the 360 sometimes you can fix an ROD with that, temporarily of course
).I am so glad I still got a console that I didnt connect to the network for some time which I will never do because as soon as I do it will update again, restart and then ask me if I even wanted to update?
The new dashboard is also quite confusing and there is so much crap that I just dont need like all the netflix crap in the mainmenu there are like 5 buttons in the beginning of which you only need one.
Another thing I noticed is that my xbox since I updated often weirdly crashes and doesnt do a shit anymore, like the screen goes black and I have to restart it, it is actually no ROD freezing or so because I can still use the Xbox Guide button which then makes this mainmenu thing show up which freezes as well.
Am pretty angry that they didnt keep their promises as far as I remember they said you could choose if you want the new dashboard or not. Oh well I will have to live with it if I want to play on live
I got a lot of practice with that though I pretty much have the same experience every time I am forced to use a Windows PC (which actually doesnt suck as much as the dashboard which is quite a miracle) but this is another story...
This topic would maybe be a good one for a poll on the main page would be interesting to see how the majority thinks I know a lot of people who hate it on the other hand there are also others who totally freak out about the new avatars and crap lol...
Post by: fargo_sWe on February 03, 2020, 06:37:00 AM
First of all, remember in what forum you're in. This is the Xbox-scene. Your lectures on Xbox 360 is ONLY A GAMING MACHINE is totally irrelevant. Here we talk about modding, third party software and getting access to the hardware. If you don't like that please hang around in some of the official Xbox forums and write your politically correct bullshit statements there. Your in the wrong forum noob!
I criticizing the lack of functionality and gaming experience on the new Dashboard is VERY RELEVANT though.
I think you just summarized everything yourself without even knowing it:
If you want a super duper leet linux NAS Dreambox Divx all access, then get something else. Also, you are a pirate.
Yes this is what I/we want in this forum. And yes I am a hardware pirate and I'm proud of that. I have 4 modified dreambox, a first batch modified Japanese PSP, a unknown number of old xboses and my Apple TV device. I also have an alternative software on my linkysys router since the original sucks.
Why? Cause I don't agree with the corporate policies and I'm a geek that love technology and I love the fact that you can beat the system and have something even better than the "real" thing.
I'm waiting for your bullshit reply (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by fargo_sWe: Yesterday, 02:42 PM
Post by: wheazy on February 03, 2020, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: evilempire86 on December 03, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(fargo_sWe @ Dec 1 2008, 06:15 PM)
I'm waiting for your bullshit reply
Well, if you were the Uber Leet Hacker dood that you say you are, you would be working on some way of achieving your goal (running these things on the 360).
Starting whiny threads on these forums won't get MS to do anything, so why bother?
Your efforts are better put to use elsewhere.
If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself, its a rule in life.