Post by: the soul poet on May 15, 2007, 02:55:00 PM
I have a 12month subscription and lots of paid content. I only really have a couple of backups as only recently got a new PC.
I hope it is just a glitch for me, if this is a perm fixture I will be looking further into the PS3, however I don't want to do that!...
Post by: kray4737 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Phunt on May 15, 2007, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: the soul poet on May 15, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
QUOTE(kray4737 @ May 15 2007, 10:34 PM) 
same thing happened to me..hope it isnt because of the firmware
Got to admit thats good timing for M$ in time with the new Halo Beta, ah you got to love them, guess it may be time to think about things!
I just went to system blade, view system info and it signed me back in, weird!
This post has been edited by the soul poet: May 15 2007, 10:41 PM
Post by: cduuffo13 on May 15, 2007, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: dre74 on May 15, 2007, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: CompFreak07 on May 15, 2007, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: DrPepperFan15 on May 15, 2007, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: djx18 on May 16, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
Post by: gaiden.tech on May 17, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: sofa king dumb on May 17, 2007, 12:50:00 PM
EDIT: coneection test fails at live
Post by: SovietSlayer on May 17, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
also if you click info on xbox live it says your banned.
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(gaiden.tech @ May 17 2007, 04:39 AM)
Keep the stories coming guys, i have a 360 with a v78 drive and the V2.3 opa 8 in one Steath firmware on my drive. Wasn't planning on upgrading the firmware if there wasn't any problems with live. If no one else reports anything, i'll do an upgrade on friday. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
i have a Hitachi 46 drive with the new 2.4 FW and i was playing Ncaa 07 last night (backup) and all was well. Today it would not connect to xbox live. So i tested my connection and it failed at the xbox live part. So i went to the more info section of IP address and it said this console has been banned!!!!! I put in my original to see if it would change things but nothing Sad Funny thing i waited, not connecting to xboxlive until yesterday and updated my FW and still got the axe. Sad
Post by: sofa king dumb on May 17, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(SovietSlayer @ May 17 2007, 08:34 PM)
Looks like were all banned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
also if you click info on xbox live it says your banned.
click where? the connection test click more info? it says nothing for me
they sure fixed our wagons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
This post has been edited by sofa king dumb: May 17 2007, 08:38 PM
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
QUOTE(sofa king dumb @ May 17 2007, 03:37 PM)
click where? the connection test click more info? it says nothing for me
do the connection test and if it fails at live your banned, check more info in the live section or ipaddress and you'll see it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: armless on May 17, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
My unmodified console connects fine.
My Hacked console will not connect to live.
oh shit
Post by: sofa king dumb on May 17, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 17 2007, 08:39 PM) 
do the connection test and if it fails at live your banned, check more info in the live section or ipaddress and you'll see it
o i see it now
EDIT: hitichi 3.1(or whateer the newest is)
EDIT 2: my username on xlink kia is homedude
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
status codes
w: 0000 - 0021
x: 0000 - f001
y: 00a8 - 6820
z: 8015 - 1900
i aint bitter about this in any way , it was something we always knew would be on the cards , @ least backups still work
Post by: scienide on May 17, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
I was playing halo3 with a beta code.. so without a cd and i was banned..
Since the update i didnt played any backups.. untill .. this morning a friend of mine came over and when i came back into the room he was playing backups...
I didnt update the firmware yet, but i didnt think of someone else putting in one of my backups...
BUT... it was not crackdown.. it was another game that was inserted ...
Could u please post your firmware version on the drive when u got banned ?
With kind regards
Marco
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: SovietSlayer on May 17, 2007, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(armless @ May 17 2007, 03:41 PM)
I can second this...
My unmodified console connects fine.
My Hacked console will not connect to live.
oh shit
I'm pretty sure the gamertag isnt banned but only the console like with xbox 1. But could u confirm that with your modded and unmodded console.
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ May 17 2007, 09:42 PM)
yep i can confirm this is true , if you do a connection test then check the info for the ip address , it says you are banned for a violation of terms and conditions or summit , i was also playing halo3 with my backup , running the latest hitachi firmware , i will post status codes soon
status codes
w: 0000 - 0021
x: 0000 - f001
y: 00a8 - 6820
z: 8015 - 1900
i aint bitter about this in any way , it was something we always knew would be on the cards , @ least backups still work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Yeah, gonna sell mine now. Gonna buy a PS3 and original games (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: scienide on May 17, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(SovietSlayer @ May 17 2007, 09:46 PM)
I'm pretty sure the gamertag isnt banned but only the console like with xbox 1. But could u confirm that with your modded and unmodded console.
if i change the harddisk to another console it connects just fine
status codes
0000 000b
0000 000d
00a8 6800
8015 190d
Post by: Eraser77 on May 17, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: SovietSlayer on May 17, 2007, 01:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ May 17 2007, 03:52 PM)
What drive did you guys have?
Hitach; but i bet all drives will get banned.
Post by: Eraser77 on May 17, 2007, 01:53:00 PM
I was in the middle of playing Halo 3 Beta and then it disconnected!!! I tried to re-connect and it said Xbox Live failed!
I think its time to get another 360.
I had the 78 hitachi-lg
This post has been edited by Eraser77: May 17 2007, 08:54 PM
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(SovietSlayer @ May 17 2007, 09:53 PM)
Hitach; but i bet all drives will get banned.
When did you change firm?
Post by: SovietSlayer on May 17, 2007, 01:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ May 17 2007, 03:54 PM)
When did you change firm?
As soon as the updates can out and the latest fw update before the latest dash update. I have a feeling ms has been watching us for a while now. So even if the latest fw cant be detected the older version ver.
Post by: thearod on May 17, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
Cripes!!!
Post by: wolverinegeoff on May 17, 2007, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: rollonequick on May 17, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: elfobuono on May 17, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(thearod @ May 17 2007, 09:59 PM)
yah I just got banned playing Halo 3 beta... and I am using the Hitachi 47d
Cripes!!!the same thing...
i've tried 4 time to reconnect, but always the same error...
i've the original firm, but befroe update i used the last garyopa
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: BurnDown on May 17, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(rollonequick @ May 17 2007, 09:02 PM)
yup I played Halo 3 Beta.. Now i am banned
Me 2
I knew it would happen... wasnt going to download the beta for that exact reason but i couldn't resist.
Post by: rollonequick on May 17, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: jansmusix on May 17, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
Yea mine too Hitachi 47d ..............guess they knew all along
Post by: 1337 pig on May 17, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(rollonequick @ May 17 2007, 03:04 PM)
what is the fix????
Post by: scubasjl on May 17, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(rollonequick @ May 17 2007, 10:04 PM)
what is the fix????
Nothing its game over for your console.
Post by: thearod on May 17, 2007, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(rollonequick @ May 17 2007, 10:04 PM)
what is the fix????
Buy a new xbox
Post by: rollonequick on May 17, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(thearod @ May 17 2007, 09:08 PM)
Buy a new xbox
Its just a set back we can figure this out....
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(scubasjl @ May 17 2007, 09:07 PM)
yup same thing for me but with toshiba-samsung drive on 5.2d was playing the halo 3 beta and right before the match started it froozed up on me and now i can to get online, guess im banned as well anyone reflash their drive yet and tried to get online?
i cant see this working , someone has already transferred his hard drive to an unmodded xbox , and he can get online fine , so it aint the live account thats banned , if the orig xbox is anything to go by it will be the machines unique serial number that is blacklisted(new eprom anyone lol)
Post by: joe90 on May 17, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Zomah @ May 17 2007, 09:07 PM)
Nothing its game over for your console.
only on live.. which i don;t really care about.
people are moaning about in xbox.com too.. i doubt they all have flashed drives..
Post by: Chromez on May 17, 2007, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: GamemanFL on May 17, 2007, 01:38:00 PM
I got a Hitachi 47d with Commodore4Eva Xtreme Hitachi-LG v2.4 Stealth.
Post by: PJthePlayer on May 17, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Angel-X on May 17, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on May 17, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Angel-X @ May 17 2007, 03:15 PM)
Samsung MS25 with 5.3c, banned.
I guess jitter-fix didn't help...
Post by: TheBiGW on May 17, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
Hitachi with latest C4E firmware.
W: 0000-000B
X: 0000-F009
Y: 00A8-6820
Z: 8015-190D
Classic Xbox ban code.
Post by: orangina on May 17, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on May 17, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Angel-X @ May 17 2007, 09:15 PM)
Samsung MS25 with 5.3c, banned.
I haven't turned mine on yet but I am sure I will be banned as well I guess. I have an elite that had a Hitachi drive but replaced with Samsung ms28
Post by: Zomah on May 17, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: holidayidol on May 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(orangina @ May 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
Hitachi 47DJ, Banned. No Beta of Halo3
That's what I was getting ready to ask. Who has been banned WITHOUT the beta of Halo 3?
And if so, did you ever play Crackdown at any point?
Post by: loveonfire4u on May 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: orangina on May 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: elfobuono on May 17, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
halo = ban
Post by: orangina on May 17, 2007, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: wolverinegeoff on May 17, 2007, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(loveonfire4u @ May 17 2007, 09:22 PM)
I got banned , I have hitachi 47d I played halo 3 beta and later was playin gow when went offline and never came online again OMG dis sux , Halo 3 did it to me.
it doesnt sux as u put it , everyone who chanced playing backups on live knew the risks , and knew this could happen anytime , we had a good kick @ the ball in my opinion
Post by: BennyBou on May 17, 2007, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Angel-X on May 17, 2007, 01:52:00 PM
Samsung MS25 with 5.3c.
I updated to 5.3c before the Spring update.
I played Crackdown last night and waited for Halo.
Left Halo on the intro screen while I got on with some work, heard it disconnect.
Tried to re-connect and then that's when I came here to see if it was just a service issue.
Post by: scienide on May 17, 2007, 02:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Angel-X @ May 17 2007, 10:28 PM)
I'll elaborate on the previous post....
Samsung MS25 with 5.3c.
I updated to 5.3c before the Spring update.
I played Crackdown last night and waited for Halo.
Left Halo on the intro screen while I got on with some work, heard it disconnect.
Tried to re-connect and then that's when I came here to see if it was just a service issue.
I didnt update but didnt play a backup until this morning a friend of mine put one in ...
Within 12 hours i was banned..
However.. i didnt download the halo beta with crackdown.. i've won a beta code...
QUOTE(Angel-X @ May 17 2007, 10:28 PM)
I'll elaborate on the previous post....
Samsung MS25 with 5.3c.
I updated to 5.3c before the Spring update.
I played Crackdown last night and waited for Halo.
Left Halo on the intro screen while I got on with some work, heard it disconnect.
Tried to re-connect and then that's when I came here to see if it was just a service issue.
I didnt update but didnt play a backup until this morning a friend of mine put one in ...
Within 12 hours i was banned..
However.. i didnt download the halo beta with crackdown.. i've won a beta code...
Post by: antz1970 on May 17, 2007, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: TheBiGW on May 17, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=579670
Post by: wolverinegeoff on May 17, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: jo3c00l on May 17, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
Has anyone thought about MS being able to detect drive speed?? Can they, and maybe 5.3C is safe since its original read speed?
Post by: jo3c00l on May 17, 2007, 02:55:00 PM
Has anyone thought about MS being able to detect drive speed?? Can they, and maybe 5.3C is safe since its original read speed?
Post by: BurnDown on May 17, 2007, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ May 17 2007, 09:56 PM)
i know several people who are online right now , 1 hitachi and 2 samsungs all with pre jitter fix firmwares , could it be possible that this is what ms are detecting , or is it just a matter of time?
If you mean what i think you do....
Iv got a hitachi 47dj and garyOPAs stealth v2.3, i tried updating to the 2.4 with added jitter but my drive wouldnt flash. I stuck with 2.3 and im banned... so its nothing to do with jitter.
Post by: painkiller45 on May 17, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
My Drive: TS-H934 MS25 with the Xtreme 5.2A
This post has been edited by painkiller45: May 17 2007, 10:59 PM
Post by: sucks.being.a.n00b on May 17, 2007, 03:25:00 PM
What if the people that upgraded to the latest firmware have just been flagging their 360's for easy banning by M$?
I know its out there, but its a possibility. I just thought it was strange how he got the insider information about the dashboard update before it was released.
Anyways, its probably not the case but whatever... this has convinced me to go legit. Most games a crap anyways.
Did anyone consider the potential for the lastest firmware to be a plant. Bare with me, Microsoft gets a hold of C4Eva, offers him loads of money. C4Eva majically gets information on how the latest update checks if youre booting backups. He releases a "patch" to circumvent this check, or so we thought.
What if the people that upgraded to the latest firmware have just been flagging their 360's for easy banning by M$?
I know its out there, but its a possibility. I just thought it was strange how he got the insider information about the dashboard update before it was released.
Anyways, its probably not the case but whatever... this has convinced me to go legit. Most games a crap anyways.
Post by: Phunt on May 17, 2007, 03:45:00 PM
Well as i stated in the 3rd post of this thread, i was booted off XBL on tuesday night and i couldn't get back on for about half an hour (kept failing on the xbox live test). This wasn't because xbox live was down either because the 3 freinds i was playing online at the time with all kept there connection ( all 3 consoles were unmodded). I went back online for the first time tonight since that happened and i played 9 holes of tiger woods with freinds and no ban so far. I have neither played or downloaded halo beta (but i have played crackdown backup) and i am on a sammy MS28 with 5.3d firmware.
Post by: Millhouse on May 17, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
Want to change it with an other.
It works on xbox1 too if banned.
Do someone knows where ist the eeprom on teh x360 mb?
Want to change it with an unbanned.
Works too on xbox1 if banned.
Post by: mrwhitesnor on May 17, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
********
I just got banned as well after halo 3 beta... I am using an original store-bought retail disc of crackdown, downloaded the halo 3 beta using it, got to play for about 3 hours then banned.
I am also not using a modified dvd-drive or firmware hack at the moment. I did used to use a hacked Hitachi 47 drive with FW 2.3 before the Spring update. Admidst all the ban talk I decided to flash back to original firmware and not use back-ups for a while. I did this before the Spring update.
I now get the banned message when doing a network test (note when you do a network test you only see the banned message in "More Info" under Network Adapter or IP, not under Xbox Live).
This means that either MS have been logging people playing back-ups for a while, even before the spring update, or there are indeed false bans happening as some people are reporting. I know there were a lot of false bans with GoW when that came out, and poeple were let back on after a few days. I hope that's the case this time!******
Post by: ASmithz on May 17, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
As you can imagine, we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to modded consoles connecting to LIVE.
We're very serious about this, and if we detect you have a modded Xbox then you will not be able to connect to Xbox Live. If you see this screen and get Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D that means your console has been banned.
We'll continue to enforce this rule to ensure the integrity of the service and protect our partners and users.
Xbox LIVE security
As you can imagine, we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to modded consoles connecting to LIVE.
We're very serious about this, and if we detect you have a modded Xbox then you will not be able to connect to Xbox Live. If you see this screen and get Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D that means your console has been banned.
We'll continue to enforce this rule to ensure the integrity of the service and protect our partners and users.
Post by: Crashdogy on May 17, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: chalosf on May 17, 2007, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Crashdogy on May 17, 2007, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Johnwinger on May 17, 2007, 05:02:00 PM
This makes sense since every games is supposed to be unique piece of software.
Post by: willy134uk on May 17, 2007, 05:44:00 PM
mine is ok so far ive got a sammy with 5.3c i downloaded halo using crackdown copy and played halo for 30 mins and all ok so far or maybe they just aint got to me yet ive deleted my halo 3 and crackdown saves to see if that makes a diferance
Post by: debasturd on May 17, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: sofa king dumb on May 17, 2007, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: willy134uk on May 17, 2007, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: mike96sc2 on May 17, 2007, 06:09:00 PM
No sympathy here, good for Microsoft for protecting their own interests.
Post by: 89c4l98 on May 17, 2007, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: BennyBou on May 17, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: lordsnipe on May 17, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
I've connected to XBox Live to download demos and a few trailers (with the silver membership), but I've never played online.
However, I have left the ethernet cable plugged in when playing backups, and it says logged in to live, and asks me if I want to download an update for the game and I say No.
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 06:38:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ May 17 2007, 08:45 PM)
I guess all the "experts" were wrong. Doesn't pay to play "backups" on your X360 does it.
No sympathy here, good for Microsoft for protecting their own interests.
yup no sympathy (for Microsoft) here either now some people really aren't going to buy the games and not buy another 360, no XBL, and might just pick up a PS3. What about all the people that don't have modded FW and still face these issue no sympathy right? Doesn't pay to be legit either if you still get banned does it.
Post by: Xbox360Guru on May 17, 2007, 06:39:00 PM
Hope this info helps you all with the compiling. So far it looks like MS28 was unaffected.
Post by: kipsman on May 17, 2007, 07:16:00 PM
QUOTE(mrwhitesnor @ May 17 2007, 06:33 PM)
some guy on a other forum got banned to.. be he has a completely LEGAL XBOX360
********
I just got banned as well after halo 3 beta... I am using an original store-bought retail disc of crackdown, downloaded the halo 3 beta using it, got to play for about 3 hours then banned.
I am also not using a modified dvd-drive or firmware hack at the moment. I did used to use a hacked Hitachi 47 drive with FW 2.3 before the Spring update. Admidst all the ban talk I decided to flash back to original firmware and not use back-ups for a while. I did this before the Spring update.
I now get the banned message when doing a network test (note when you do a network test you only see the banned message in "More Info" under Network Adapter or IP, not under Xbox Live).
This means that either MS have been logging people playing back-ups for a while, even before the spring update, or there are indeed false bans happening as some people are reporting. I know there were a lot of false bans with GoW when that came out, and poeple were let back on after a few days. I hope that's the case this time!******
Similarly I upgraded Hitachi FW to new C4E release and then download the Spring Update, not using my console at all for a week prior to the update and again Not at all immediately following the Spring Update. Havent put in a backup in several weeks. So apparently theyve been collecting this info all along or they we able to detect the FW presence with a backup inserted following the Update...
Post by: DarkProphecy on May 17, 2007, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ May 17 2007, 08:45 PM)
I guess all the "experts" were wrong. Doesn't pay to play "backups" on your X360 does it.
No sympathy here, good for Microsoft for protecting their own interests.
yup no sympathy (for Microsoft) here either now some people really aren't going to buy the games and not buy another 360, no XBL, and might just pick up a PS3. What about all the people that don't have modded FW and still face these issue no sympathy right? Doesn't pay to be legit either if you still get banned does it.
Post by: soundforce on May 17, 2007, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Takenover83 on May 17, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
Burn all my games with 111D (DVD Booktype) with the proper SS, DMI, PDI patches.
Have played a backup of Crackdown and have played the Halo 3 beta.
I am not banned, yet (knocks on wood). Im actually on Live right now, retail Halo 2.<br><br>Maybe people are getting banned because they did not burn there backup's correctly? Booktype, DMI, SS, PMI, etc....
If media type means anything, I use nothing but verbatim.
This post has been edited by Takenover83: May 18 2007, 02:57 AM
Post by: D3solator on May 17, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: MrPhunkee on May 17, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: Skript0r on May 17, 2007, 07:36:00 PM
I have *NOT* been banned. I am currently signed into Xbox Live and have powercycled the system/signed in and out/launched games/and bascially done everything as normal since the story first started circulating.
In the interests of completeness, here is my entire history with my Xbox live account/system.
1. Purchased launch day 360 with Hitachi drive
2. That unit died with freezing problems and was sent to Microsoft
3. It was replaced with another unit, also with Hitachi
4. That unit was flashed with two seperate versions of Xtreme firmware, neither with any spoofing (sorry, I can't remember the specific version or models of the drive)
5. That unit died with 3 RLOD
6. It was replaced (not by Microsoft, by my own pocket) with a new 360 with a T-S ms28 drive
7. That drive was flashed with Xtreme 5.2D
8. That drive was upgraded to Xtreme 5.3D
9. Spring dashboard upgrade was downloaded
10. Halo 3 beta was downloaded/played using a backup of Crackdown (legitimate backup, not a scene release).
11. All games were burned using a 111D drive on Verbatim media with DVD-R booktype set (though not all were NTSC released, not all were stealth patched, and not all were burned using the same application -- iBurn360 was used on a iMac and CloneCD was used on a PC)
12. I am currently signed into xbox live with the following data being displayed on connection information
W: 0000 - 000B
X: 0000 - F001
Y: 20A8 - 48E0
Z: 0000 - 0000
13. Im going to keep my Xbox 'unplugged' (banned in router settings) until everyone gathers more data, so please don't ask me to test things.
Hopefully this will help some of you out there and we can get a handle on what is going on here.
Post by: Havok on May 17, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: mlapaglia on May 17, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
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Post by: xkuco on May 17, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: Matt_Tracy on May 17, 2007, 08:00:00 PM
Hitachi 46, Dunno - Banned
Hitachi 47, Has Played Crackdown/H3 - Not Banned
Hitachi 47, Has Played Crackdown/H3 - Not Banned
Samsung MS28, Has Not Played Crackdown/H3 - Not Banned
All of the Hitachi's have 2.3rev2, and the MS28 has 5.3B. It seems completely random. Mine has the same specifics as the last one listed, but I'm too scared to go online.
Post by: krayzie32 on May 17, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: seloh0000 on May 17, 2007, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: akirassj on May 17, 2007, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: lazzeri on May 17, 2007, 08:58:00 PM
I have NOT been banned myself (i´ve been keeping my xbox offline since 2 days before the spring update), BUT a close friend was tagged / banned.
Here´s his story: TS m28 drive, flashed with 5.2 FW (dunno wich one from A - D). On the night PREVIOUSLY of the update, he FLASHED the drive BACK TO IT´S ORIGINAL F/W (at least he guarantees it). Then, Spring update -> Crackdown ORIGINAL (drive LOCKED for backups) -> Halo3 -> BAN.
We were discussing the possibilities and had though on a few:
1) He FAILED the flash, flashed a wrong firmware and got busted - unlikely, he´s not THAT stupid :-)
2) MS has been collecting data from WAY BEFORE the Spring update - it might only been the "trigger". Who knows.
3) MS wipes your harddrive trying to figure something about your gaming habit. E.G., if you´ve played, let´s say, Pirates of the Caribbean... And have an achievement or savegame somewere on you HDD... If that game wasn´t released yet, how did you do it? Easy: Got a scene release runnin´ on you modded drive. It seems "clever" to me but it´s very prone to flaws: Professional testers, Xboxes with wrong dates on it... That´s an example. But that´s a path that I, *if* I worked for MS, would happily follow.
4) Maybe the different reading speed from original / backuped games might be detected... Of course that´s only valid for the drives with a firmware that DO use different reading speeds. But then again, my friend swears he was using *the* original firmware *and* original games, so it sounds unlikely to me.
Once again, i was NOT banned myself yet (but if #2 or #3 were true, i´m already banned and just not aware of it :-( ). I´m only sharing the only case i know. Hope it helps.
Regards,
Lazzeri
Gents,
I have NOT been banned myself (i´ve been keeping my xbox offline since 2 days before the spring update), BUT a close friend was tagged / banned.
Here´s his story: TS m28 drive, flashed with 5.2 FW (dunno wich one from A - D). On the night PREVIOUSLY of the update, he FLASHED the drive BACK TO IT´S ORIGINAL F/W (at least he guarantees it). Then, Spring update -> Crackdown ORIGINAL (drive LOCKED for backups) -> Halo3 -> BAN.
We were discussing the possibilities and had though on a few:
1) He FAILED the flash, flashed a wrong firmware and got busted - unlikely, he´s not THAT stupid :-)
2) MS has been collecting data from WAY BEFORE the Spring update - it might only been the "trigger". Who knows.
3) MS wipes your harddrive trying to figure something about your gaming habit. E.G., if you´ve played, let´s say, Pirates of the Caribbean... And have an achievement or savegame somewere on you HDD... If that game wasn´t released yet, how did you do it? Easy: Got a scene release runnin´ on you modded drive. It seems "clever" to me but it´s very prone to flaws: Professional testers, Xboxes with wrong dates on it... That´s an example. But that´s a path that I, *if* I worked for MS, would happily follow.
4) Maybe the different reading speed from original / backuped games might be detected... Of course that´s only valid for the drives with a firmware that DO use different reading speeds. But then again, my friend swears he was using *the* original firmware *and* original games, so it sounds unlikely to me.
Once again, i was NOT banned myself yet (but if #2 or #3 were true, i´m already banned and just not aware of it :-( ). I´m only sharing the only case i know. Hope it helps.
Regards,
Lazzeri
Post by: Master Reefed on May 17, 2007, 08:58:00 PM
QUOTE(seloh0000 @ May 18 2007, 03:39 AM)
I have a Hitachi 47 with 5.2 FW and I've been banned. Sure, Bill has a hard on over doing this but wait until he sees the revenue report and how much money he lost on Live subscriptions; who will be laughing then?
I think they would lose much more if no developers supported their system.
Post by: plumberman on May 17, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: D3solator on May 17, 2007, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 17, 2007, 09:42:00 PM
QUOTE
Xbox Live Bantacular
Posted by SketchFactor at 5/17/2007 3:28 PM PDT
We are continually fighting the good fight to keep modders and jerks out of the Halo 2 online population (and now Halo 3) but we can all sleep easier at night knowing that the Xbox Live team has their own group of agents working towards the betterment of the online community.
Major Nelson and Gamerscoreblog posted reminders today that people who log onto Live using modified consoles are being dealt with. As more and more people pour into the Halo 3 Beta, please take this warning to heart. Using modified content and hacked boxes is against the Terms of Use for Xbox Live and doing so will result in your console being permanently banned from the service. Forever. For all games.
If you get an error message "Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D" it means you are done playing Xbox Live on that console. Congrats.
To all of the upstanding members of the Live community - we salute you and look forward to fun times throughout the Halo 3 Beta and beyond.
Post by: nuke field ET on May 17, 2007, 09:08:00 PM
Well, I have a question for the slightly more educated of people on these forums. To my understanding, there was a way to use another dvd drive from another 360 if you replaced the key(for example, "making a samsung drive act like a hitachi"). So would people that happen to have 2 360s be able to simply switch out their modded dvd drive with an unmodded one if they replaced the modded dvd drive's key with the unmodded one? Excuse my ignorance if this is far from possible, this is just from the information I've gathered by skimming through these forums.
and by the way, I have a modded 48fk; ive been signed into live since yesterday; haven't tried playing games though. My gamertag's still up and signed in, so I guess that either means I haven't been banned yet or i would have to put a game in and find out ...
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 17, 2007, 09:45:00 PM
QUOTE
Xbox Live Bantacular
Posted by SketchFactor at 5/17/2007 3:28 PM PDT
We are continually fighting the good fight to keep modders and jerks out of the Halo 2 online population (and now Halo 3) but we can all sleep easier at night knowing that the Xbox Live team has their own group of agents working towards the betterment of the online community.
Major Nelson and Gamerscoreblog posted reminders today that people who log onto Live using modified consoles are being dealt with. As more and more people pour into the Halo 3 Beta, please take this warning to heart. Using modified content and hacked boxes is against the Terms of Use for Xbox Live and doing so will result in your console being permanently banned from the service. Forever. For all games.
If you get an error message "Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D" it means you are done playing Xbox Live on that console. Congrats.
To all of the upstanding members of the Live community - we salute you and look forward to fun times throughout the Halo 3 Beta and beyond.
Post by: ModderFokker on May 17, 2007, 09:27:00 PM
Pal Console
078 with 1.7 FW
Codes:
W: 0000-0008
X: 0000-F001
Y: 20A8-48E0
Z: 0000-0000
and im connected to live as im writing this and dowloading the Eragon trailer.
Everthing seems to be working fine but I do have to say it took a long long long time to sign into live for the first time (perhaps performing some checks???)
Played scene released crackdown (with stealth patch).
No Halo3 (<- im to old for that stuff
)And every game i played without a so-called stealth patched i played with a disconnected 360 (ethernet).
perhaps C4E can get some info out of this ....
Btw if anyone on this forum is working for a retail store (or a friend) which sell used consoles..............
STAY HOME TOMORROW
I got a nasty feeling for all those guys with raging customers who are demanding a refund since they didnt mod their console (which all of them will tell you).
May The Force Be With You ...........or call in sick
Post by: ModderFokker on May 17, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
Pal Console
078 with 1.7 FW
Codes:
W: 0000-0008
X: 0000-F001
Y: 20A8-48E0
Z: 0000-0000
and im connected to live as im writing this and dowloading the Eragon trailer.
Everthing seems to be working fine but I do have to say it took a long long long time to sign into live for the first time (perhaps performing some checks???)
Played scene released crackdown (with stealth patch).
No Halo3 (<- im to old for that stuff
)And every game i played without a so-called stealth patched i played with a disconnected 360 (ethernet).
perhaps C4E can get some info out of this ....
Btw if anyone on this forum is working for a retail store (or a friend) which sell used consoles..............
STAY HOME TOMORROW
I got a nasty feeling for all those guys with raging customers who are demanding a refund since they didnt mod their console (which all of them will tell you).
May The Force Be With You ...........or call in sick
Post by: Mr007 on May 17, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on May 17, 2007, 09:58:00 PM
I guess the only other question, and it will take some time and the right people to look at it, is HOW they are detecing it's hacked firmware...
Post by: epsilon72 on May 17, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
idiots. I hope they get their facts straight.
Post by: NeoKill on May 17, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
1) Premium 360
2) MS-28
3) Xtreme 5.3A
4) Reports as MS-28
I signed into live earlier today no problems. Signed back in later, worked fine, chatted with a friend, threw in an original (retail) game and during it got disconnected and now banned.
More info:
1) Never played Crackdown (backup or retail)
2) Never played Halo 3 Beta
I can't confirm, but based on past experience I am 99.9% certain that they started detecting modded firmware with the Spring Update and delayed the bans.
Now a friend of mine also has the exact same setup and after installing the Spring Update never loaded a backup and he was banned too. So for the speculation that they are detecting a backup, I think that is BS for two reasons: 1) he never used one, so that disproves it and 2) even if you have a backup in the drive, it does not mean you modded your drive and to ban for that would be taking things a bit too far.
Bottom line, my conclusion, they can detect any and all modded frimwares and if you have not been banned yet, you will be. What I am waiting for is C4E to comment on this. Specifically how they are detecting it and if there is any updates planned to circumvent it.
So if you have not installed the spring update, don't. If you did and have not yet been banned, be warned, it is only a matter of time before you do, best bet is to stay off of live, but if they already detected it, there is a good chance that when you login to live at some point you will be banned.
Post by: travis134sg on May 17, 2007, 10:00:00 PM
I had a Hitachi LG 47 drive with C4Eva's 2.4 Disk Jitter Mod.
Can people please start saying their configuration (Drive, Rom Version, Firmware), and what code (0000 or 8015) they were banned? (Please also include time of being banned and what happened when you were banned)
Also it is very important that you tell what your configuration was if your Xbox360 is modded and not banned.
My friend thinks the key might be in these users as well as the users who have not modded their consoles yet have been banned.
And guys, don't get desperate, never EVER buy a PS3! Just be a little patient and optimistic, i'm sure there will be a solution in the near future.
Post by: MikeHolliday on May 17, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: paleNyar on May 17, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
1. ¿So are the bans randomly?
2. If you have not been banned and you downgrade to original firmware, will you get banned anywayz? since ive read some ppl did that and still got banned (rumors?); ¿Is there a Log from xbl since time ago to know who is using backups?.
Please, some thoughts would be nice.
Post by: Nylan on May 17, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
Thx for any responce =)
Post by: capboy210 on May 17, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: xaser on May 17, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
The above is 100% speculation that seems logical to me. I am assuming that all the 'i played halo3 beta on unmoded 360 and now im banned is BS'. This would also explain why some drives arent baned (the lookup command is drive specific). If someone can prove that Live cannot issue FW lookup commands in the session then Im wrong and am lost regarding how they did it.
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Nylan @ May 18 2007, 12:45 AM)
Does anyone know if it would it be safe to take the HDD from a banned, modded 360, and use in an unmodded 360 on live w/ originals obviously?
Thx for any responce =)
yup you can use your HDD on a unmodded 360 and your gamer tag and live account will still be intact (you know they still want that live money and they want you to get that new Elite)
Post by: hoshimoto on May 17, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
I guess this was bound to happen and was expected since the modding scene erupted.
In all fairness, can anyone banned please provide me the Halo 3 Beta code in case their console got banned from LIVE, would be much appreciated.
I was on LIVE and did see XBOX LIVE being unavailable for sometime, but my unmodded console logged on after a while.. I guess was the dooms day update for modders.
Thank you.
Hoshi
Post by: Tribis on May 17, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
So basically if someone is using a scene release, chances are that a couple thousand more are using it to. So in theory if someone rents a game that was blasted on the internet they would experience the hammer as well.
Anyway my MS 25 X5.3d was banned. So I called M$ and said that I have the 3 rings...covered under warranty now I just wait for them to send the mailing box, wipe my firmware, clean all sticker marks.....
And of course use some social engineering, can you say "hand drawn crayon picture thanking them for fixing my toy because Im only 8 years old"...well can you say it????
Post by: americankgb on May 17, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: Digital Marine on May 17, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
If I do get banned, oh wells. I'll save up for another one, fine with me. But I only own about 4 legal games, everything else is burned. I downloaded Crackdown a day before it was release to public. I downloaded the Halo 3 Beta last night around 11:00pm CST, no signs of being banned. I played this morning, and when I got home. I went to my friends house with my Xbox 360 and still no ban. Came home to play for about two hours, no ban.
I have one thought of perhaps everyone is betting banned.
My thought: for the people getting banned, when was the last time you flashed your drive? I flashed mine around December 15, 2006. I've been playing burned games since then, no problems have occurred. I'm questing if one of the updates started logging the firmware it reads...then the latest update released started banning if the logs are different. See, I only flashed mine 3 times. To Garyopa, original, back to Garyopa, all in the same day. So, I haven't changed my firmware, or opened my Xbox since then.
PS: Just checked now, not banned. Hope I don't get a delayed ban.
Post by: Rustmonkey on May 17, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: KillApp on May 17, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: dr.doug on May 17, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: mlapaglia on May 17, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
i just finished 1.5 hours of halo 3 beta from a backup of crackdown, after playing 3 hours of gears of war from a backup, but i'm not banned.
Post by: stoyk on May 17, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Here is my situation;
I have a modified hitachi 0059
i havent had a burned game in there in like 3 weeks, i only play MK3 on arcade
My xbox has been in pieces for the past week, with the SATA cable going from the dvd drive to my computer, and not once hooked back up to the XBOX in at least a week....how the F**K did they catch that?
Post by: poop1 on May 17, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: rhemelious on May 17, 2007, 11:03:00 PM
We all know were getting banned, have people tried putting their firmware back to its original firmware set by M$ after the ban?
I havent been banned yet, but i may as well, take away my firmware to oringal one, before i boot up saving me to buy another xbox.
This post has been edited by rhemelious: May 18 2007, 06:07 AM
Post by: dmitri on May 17, 2007, 11:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Havok @ May 18 2007, 02:13 AM)
I hate to say "I told you so.." but so many people were overconfident that this couldn't happen... I have been warning people that this is a real possibility for a long time..
Warning about something obvious doesn't get you any kudos, you just come off as a prick.
QUOTE(mslash @ May 18 2007, 01:27 AM)
yup no sympathy (for Microsoft) here either now some people really aren't going to buy the games and not buy another 360, no XBL, and might just pick up a PS3. What about all the people that don't have modded FW and still face these issue no sympathy right? Doesn't pay to be legit either if you still get banned does it.
I have to say that as Much as Microsoft has been beaten down by hackers and pirates on Xbox 1, and pirates on Xbox 360, they really got everyone back today.. I can understand a software company being completely intollerant to software thieves.
Having said that, it's not the best publicity stunt. When you buy a car.. Toyota, Honda.. The companies want to treat you right, so that they have lifetime customers. It's hard not to have some backlash over this..
Score one microsoft. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
-dp
Post by: DeathWishkid666 on May 17, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Servihai on May 17, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
Seems like the chippers win this round... :(
Post by: rhemelious on May 17, 2007, 10:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Servihai @ May 18 2007, 06:06 AM)
There is yet to see anyone with chipped 360s being banned. Most of banned people are sitting with modded dvd-firmware but none with ex. the NME chip.
Seems like the chippers win this round...
Good point, isit too late for those alredy banned?
Post by: Mako on May 17, 2007, 10:34:00 PM
Anyone without the spring update flashed back to orig firmware then updated and not get banned?
Or without the spring update, updated to a new jitter fix firmware, then updated and not get banned?
Although someone in here did say they had a hacked firmware and had never played a backup and been banned, So it seems live is detecting firmware hacks but then again it may not have had a stealth firmware...
So it sounds like its the spring update, with a possible drive firmware check and or game check.
Post by: andi_06 on May 17, 2007, 10:34:00 PM
Im not one to jump to conclusions, but its not hard to join the dotted lines here.
Post by: Haloslut on May 17, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Tribis @ May 18 2007, 05:54 AM)
Is there any truth to the theory that Xbox 360 games have unique IDs much like the PlayStation 2's unique ID system known as DNS.
So basically if someone is using a scene release, chances are that a couple thousand more are using it to. So in theory if someone rents a game that was blasted on the internet they would experience the hammer as well.
Anyway my MS 25 X5.3d was banned. So I called M$ and said that I have the 3 rings...covered under warranty now I just wait for them to send the mailing box, wipe my firmware, clean all sticker marks.....
And of course use some social engineering, can you say "hand drawn crayon picture thanking them for fixing my toy because Im only 8 years old"...well can you say it???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
I have a feeling this may be it..and the reason some people without modded firmware could have been banned. Say someone ups a 360 game they rent, then a 1000 download it. There are still normal xboxes that have used it as a rental and could maybe be confused into thinking its a modded box.
Post by: Nylan on May 17, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 18 2007, 05:50 AM)
yup you can use your HDD on a unmodded 360 and your gamer tag and live account will still be intact (you know they still want that live money and they want you to get that new Elite)
I was just worried somthing may be on the HDD that says it's on a modded console (it was) and then if i stick it in my unmodded 360 and connect to live, it will be banned, that would suck.
Post by: tezza192 on May 17, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
Post by: andi_06 on May 17, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Digital Marine @ May 18 2007, 03:00 PM)
My Xbox 360 has a Hitachi GDR-3120L V:0047DJ. I have Garyopa 2.3 revision 2 firmware flashed. I'm currently NOT banned, but am afraid I will be banned.
If I do get banned, oh wells. I'll save up for another one, fine with me. But I only own about 4 legal games, everything else is burned. I downloaded Crackdown a day before it was release to public. I downloaded the Halo 3 Beta last night around 11:00pm CST, no signs of being banned. I played this morning, and when I got home. I went to my friends house with my Xbox 360 and still no ban. Came home to play for about two hours, no ban.
I have one thought of perhaps everyone is betting banned.
My thought: for the people getting banned, when was the last time you flashed your drive? I flashed mine around December 15, 2006. I've been playing burned games since then, no problems have occurred. I'm questing if one of the updates started logging the firmware it reads...then the latest update released started banning if the logs are different. See, I only flashed mine 3 times. To Garyopa, original, back to Garyopa, all in the same day. So, I haven't changed my firmware, or opened my Xbox since then.
PS: Just checked now, not banned. Hope I don't get a delayed ban.
Are u dumb or just arrogant.. "But I only own about 4 legal games, everything else is burned.", This is exactly the reason ms did this, to stop people like you.
Post by: Danton654 on May 17, 2007, 11:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Servihai @ May 18 2007, 06:06 AM)
There is yet to see anyone with chipped 360s being banned. Most of banned people are sitting with modded dvd-firmware but none with ex. the NME chip.
Seems like the chippers win this round... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
don't chippers ALWAYS win (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Post by: Rustmonkey on May 17, 2007, 10:44:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 17 2007, 11:16 PM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
Not true in my experience - I didn't upgrade my hitachi from the original GaryOPA 7in1 pack that I used to flash my 47 back in September and my console is now banned.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on May 17, 2007, 10:44:00 PM
Cheers to all the dumbfucks who vilated their EULA and are now banned.
Next time.. guess you'll either keep the modified box' off of live.. or accept the fact it was a risk you knew you were taking.
Cheers to MS for finally laying the smack down.
Looks like 360 Sales going to Jump with all of the sudden crush of people wanting new units.
My stock in MS should see a short term spike as well. Cheers.
MS.. it about fucking time.
Post by: bobbyblaze on May 17, 2007, 11:21:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 18 2007, 06:16 AM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
if that's true then I went for the bait of the forza demo (played no backups in between spring update and c4e 2.4). argghhh! Damn you forza!
Post by: Tribis on May 17, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 18 2007, 01:16 AM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
I have MS25 reporting as MS25, X5.3d. I re-flashed my drive the night the firmware came out, days before the spring update. And still got banned.
Post by: MrPhunkee on May 17, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 18 2007, 01:16 AM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
Tell C4E go spin that BS somewhere else i think he rated us out to MS, think about he had a meeting with them and he "beat MS to the Punch" who to say they didn't turn him and added him to the pay roll! His thoery is False Ask all my friends i took unhooked my Hitachi 46 for a week waiting for a updated hitachi FW. Then it came and i updated yesterday then i took the new Spring update and played on live last night no problems. Then today i get banned !!!! So tell C4E go jitter check himself and thanks for taking the cheese you RAT
Post by: xkuco on May 17, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: sgr215 on May 17, 2007, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: Murc on May 17, 2007, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 17 2007, 11:16 PM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
Hmmm, Interesting theory.
That would mean that everyone who has flashed their 360 after the spring update...which (I believe) was May 9th, their 360's are banned from Live.
I'm glad I didn't re-flash mine.
I was on LIVE an hour ago (before I read this thread) and I didn't get benned, it worked perfect as usual...I flashed my 360 several months ago, I have a Hitachi 78fk, ans used firmware toolbox 3.0.
I kinda feel sorry for all the peeps that got banned...but at least you can still play your copied games...just not on Live.
Post by: Darkjasper on May 17, 2007, 11:28:00 PM
To all those that were banned, Next time don't use Hacked FW on live Saves you few hundred in the long run.
QUOTE
to all u LOSERS saying this is a good thing....please go party on the officail xbox forums.....this is not the site for you trust me u will like it more there......we got work to do here so please **** off
Im sorry you feel that way, next time don't use burned games on live. Its also funny that you are calling HS a loser, lmao.
This post has been edited by Darkjasper: May 18 2007, 06:32 AM
Post by: Mr007 on May 17, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
QUOTE
Tell C4E go spin that BS somewhere else i think he rated us out to MS, think about he had a meeting with them and he "beat MS to the Punch" who to say they didn't turn him and added him to the pay roll! His thoery is False Ask all my friends i took unhooked my Hitachi 46 for a week waiting for a updated hitachi FW. Then it came and i updated yesterday then i took the new Spring update and played on live last night no problems. Then today i get banned !!!! So tell C4E go jitter check himself and thanks for taking the cheese you RAT
YOu are more then welcome to write and test your own firmware shithead.
C4E owes you nothing and he still gave his own firmware for free and he always warned us about live.
Post by: Millhouse on May 17, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
I update my firmware before i do the spring update and are banned.
How about changing the eeprom with the one from an bricked MB?
It works on xbox1 if danned.
Do someone know where thee eeprom chip on x360 mb?
This post has been edited by Millhouse: May 18 2007, 06:36 AM
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 17, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 18 2007, 12:23 AM)
Tell C4E go spin that BS somewhere else i think he rated us out to MS, think about he had a meeting with them and he "beat MS to the Punch" who to say they didn't turn him and added him to the pay roll! His thoery is False Ask all my friends i took unhooked my Hitachi 46 for a week waiting for a updated hitachi FW. Then it came and i updated yesterday then i took the new Spring update and played on live last night no problems. Then today i get banned !!!! So tell C4E go jitter check himself and thanks for taking the cheese you RAT
Post by: squallx404 on May 17, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: grim_d on May 17, 2007, 11:31:00 PM
QUOTE(D1S1 @ May 17 2007, 11:03 PM)
Looks nice so far, any other cuts or just 1??
i'm loving watching this unfold (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
it really is about freaking time MS.
Post by: Glitch Lord on May 17, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: chipdouglas2819 on May 17, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
i havent had any drive at all hooked in my x360 for almost a year now and untill the spring update i was not able to use xboxlive for some reason. After i updated with the spring it has allowed me to go on xbox live entirely but it has not banned me for not having a drive hooked up yet.
Post by: JoCamel on May 17, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
But all you guys screaming out fuck M$ and buy a PS3... what´s that supposed to mean?
You can´t play backups on PS3, If you didn´t play backups on X360 you would still be fine...
I do not know if I´m banned yet. Did the spring update, upgraded my firmware yesterday, so chances will be high... I think I´ll get another "official" console..
Maybe Ebay will be full of 360s...
Post by: Glitch Lord on May 17, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: footbase22 on May 17, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: lcprove on May 17, 2007, 10:57:00 PM
All those complaining about being banned knew it was possible, and for most part accept the consequences without crying. for those saying they'll now go and just get a ps3 that's illogical, you'll pay more money for another system that you'll still buy original games for? how about doing that with the 360 instead? i'm glad microsoft is banning now, i do think games should be able to be backed up but people should be smart. i have a modified xbox (chipped and xbox live compatible) but i was always prepared to buy another xbox for my offline gaming needs if necessary. what i'm saying is if you want a modded 360 then just get 2, one for offline and one for online (and yeah, use original games for xbox live).
Post by: Gravy on May 17, 2007, 10:57:00 PM
What are the country locations of people who remain unbanned?
Microsoft has stated they are banning userse "who we detect have illegally modified their console".
With regards to the words "illegally modified" ... are there any countries where it is not illegal to modify a console? If so then perhaps microsoft cant legally ban users in these countries.
Maybe this is why we are seeing what appears to be random bannings. Long shot... but a possibility.
Post by: pumpkinlad on May 17, 2007, 11:34:00 PM
QUOTE(xkuco @ May 18 2007, 06:26 AM)
no reported 78 pr 79 drives banned at all???? dag at least we've concluded one thing
Hitachi 78 here, updated to the new firmware yesterday, banned today.
Post by: buttface96 on May 17, 2007, 11:34:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 17 2007, 09:23 PM)
Tell C4E go spin that BS somewhere else i think he rated us out to MS, think about he had a meeting with them and he "beat MS to the Punch" who to say they didn't turn him and added him to the pay roll! His thoery is False Ask all my friends i took unhooked my Hitachi 46 for a week waiting for a updated hitachi FW. Then it came and i updated yesterday then i took the new Spring update and played on live last night no problems. Then today i get banned !!!! So tell C4E go jitter check himself and thanks for taking the cheese you RAT
You ought to shut your mouth before you go posting bullsh*t like that one these forums. Without hard workers like C4E, thespecialist, and others whom pioneered the entire Xbox 360 dvd firmware hacks, your ass would not be here bitching that your backups dont work. Hell you wouldn't even have backups.
I'm sick of people like you bitching and moaning about being banned, next time you should reconsider and thank people for what they have done, all for free. No one is paying C4E for his quality firmware builds, he does it out of his own time and love for the scene.
I appologize for flamming, but I feel this needed to be said. I hate it when noobs bitch and moan about peoples hard work, while they do nothing.
/rant
This post has been edited by buttface96: May 18 2007, 06:38 AM
Post by: xnoelahg on May 17, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 18 2007, 06:16 AM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
Well, I have a friend who has the pre-jitter firmware and he's now banned. I haven't connected to XBL yet, so I don't know if I'm banned already, but was last on live w/o problems(earlier this morning I logged off). Has anyone who hasn't logged in yet tried restoring their original fw?
I've heard many who haven't modded their xbox were also banned. I can't say that any of the versions that may have been leaked would be due to a rented copy, as that wouldn't really span further than that neighborhood (unless it was rented from an online service). Moreso, discs that are manufactured are made from a glass master, and the process is referred to as replication. Because each disc should be an exact replica, I can't think they'd have a way to assign a unique ID to each one.
Another theory was based on games played before they were released. If that were the case, however, I would think they'd ban your gamertag, rather than your console (especially since MS confirmed it was against modding). In other words, they can't know if you downloaded it, or got it from someone who violated the street date.
However, since some who have modded firmware are not affected, and some who have never opened their console are, I think this has nothing to do with the firmware itself. Perhaps trying to read discs a particular way, and having original copies with read errors seeming as they don't get to read the data they tried.
Post by: sp1200 on May 17, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
QUOTE(tezza192 @ May 18 2007, 06:16 AM)
Earlier tonight Commodore4eva was speaking on IRC, he had a theory that the bans were regarding people upgrading their firmware after the spring update. Ie the updated kernel would detect a change in the FW, or detect when the xbox is switched on when there is no DVD connected.
On IRC people who updated prior to spring update, and HItatchi users who havent updated are reporting no bans.
This theory by C4E does hold water as alot of the reported bans are by Hitatchi users. The Hitatchi update was not released till after spring update, so people will have been upgrading their firmware post the spring update.
Remember this is just a theory by C4E, these are not my thoughts, I just thought you would like to know what he thinks.
This is what I was thinking. If people who did not update firmware AFTER spring update are still on live, then that delay from MS with the spring update was possibly due to them having the c4e 5.3 firmware to implement a countermeasure (checksum or something else performed by the dashboard.)
Post by: TeeO on May 17, 2007, 11:00:00 PM
But if we combine commadore's theory to detect/log/communicate FW flash incidents with another theory (jitter?) to take into account those that haven't upgraded any firmware in 6-8 months, then maybe we can get somewhere.
Post by: xaser on May 17, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: scott47 on May 17, 2007, 11:56:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 18 2007, 06:23 AM)
Tell C4E go spin that BS somewhere else i think he rated us out to MS, think about he had a meeting with them and he "beat MS to the Punch" who to say they didn't turn him and added him to the pay roll! His thoery is False Ask all my friends i took unhooked my Hitachi 46 for a week waiting for a updated hitachi FW. Then it came and i updated yesterday then i took the new Spring update and played on live last night no problems. Then today i get banned !!!! So tell C4E go jitter check himself and thanks for taking the cheese you RAT
Because of people like this, if I were were able to create stuff like this, I would do it only for myself and not share it with anyone. Jeez I hope his thank you for providing the firmware over all of the previous months was just as passionate but I'm willing to bet that a thank you was never sent...
Since almost the exact same thing happened with the xBox1 it was very likely that this would eventually happen. Does anyone know if there is a way on xbox-scene or somewhere else to set up a form (or some sort of a voting tool) to log answers to questions like these: -- this list will need alot of help --
Did you buy your 360 brand new?
Is your 360 a NTSC version?
Is your 360 a PAL version?
Have you played rented games on this 360?
Have you installed a mod chip and not flashed the DVD firmware directly?
Has your DVD firmware been flashed?
Is your DVD drive a Hitachi 26?
Is your DVD drive a Hitachi 27? (and so on for all manufactures and versions)
Which version of firmware is installed?
Has the spring update been installed?
Have you downloaded the Halo3 beta?
Have you logged onto xBox Live since installing the update?
Has your xBox live access been banned?
Perhaps there is a common thread between the banned units and those that have not been banned. Hopefully we could figure out if specific drive versions are banned while other specific drive versions are not banned or specific firmware versions are banned while other specific firmware versions are not banned. That might help to narrow the list of possibilities. Then the experts might be able to start to figure out whats happening and how the modifications are being discovered.
Post by: ModderFokker on May 17, 2007, 11:57:00 PM
Pal Console
078 with 1.7 FW (installed new FW AFTER spring dashupdate)
Codes:
W: 0000-0008
X: 0000-F001
Y: 20A8-48E0
Z: 0000-0000
and im connected to live as im writing this and dowloading the Eragon trailer.
Everthing seems to be working fine but I do have to say it took a long long long time to sign into live for the first time (perhaps performing some checks???)
Played scene released crackdown (with stealth patch).
No Halo3 (<- im to old for that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )
And every game i played without a so-called stealth patched i played with a disconnected 360 (ethernet).
perhaps C4E can get some info out of this ....
Btw if anyone on this forum is working for a retail store (or a friend) which sell used consoles..............
STAY HOME TODAY
I got a nasty feeling for all those guys with raging customers who are demanding a refund since they didnt mod their console (which all of them will tell you).
May The Force Be With You ...........or call in sick
This post has been edited by ModderFokker: May 18 2007, 07:01 AM
Post by: BrooksyX on May 17, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
So anyways, I decided to try and mod my 360 after school today to see if it would work. For some reason I had a bad feeling about doing it though (lol I wonder why). Everything worked on my Ms28 and I got a few of my old Xbox 1 backups to work. Then I decided to play the Halo 3 beta. I played one game then logged on to Xbox-Scene only to find that 360s were getting banned left and right. So I immediately unflashed my dvd drive.
As of right now I can log onto live so hopefully it will stay this way.
Post by: ydgmms on May 18, 2007, 12:01:00 AM
QUOTE(scott47 @ May 18 2007, 12:56 AM)
Because of people like this, if I were were able to create stuff like this, I would do it only for myself and not share it with anyone. Jeez I hope his thank you for providing the firmware over all of the previous months was just as passionate but I'm willing to bet that a thank you was never sent...
Since almost the exact same thing happened with the xBox1 it was very likely that this would eventually happen. Does anyone know if there is a way on xbox-scene or somewhere else to set up a form (or some sort of a voting tool) to log answers to questions like these: -- this list will need alot of help --
Did you buy your 360 brand new?
Is your 360 a NTSC version?
Is your 360 a PAL version?
Have you played rented games on this 360?
Have you installed a mod chip and not flashed the DVD firmware directly?
Has your DVD firmware been flashed?
Is your DVD drive a Hitachi 26?
Is your DVD drive a Hitachi 27? (and so on for all manufactures and versions)
Which version of firmware is installed?
Has the spring update been installed?
Have you downloaded the Halo3 beta?
Have you logged onto xBox Live since installing the update?
Has your xBox live access been banned?
Perhaps there is a common thread between the banned units and those that have not been banned. Hopefully we could figure out if specific drive versions are banned while other specific drive versions are not banned or specific firmware versions are banned while other specific firmware versions are not banned. That might help to narrow the list of possibilities. Then the experts might be able to start to figure out whats happening and how the modifications are being discovered.
I'm hoping someone sets up a form database like that (similar to the DVD Drive database)... but wait til Sat/Sun.... We should all know by now (via Xbox 1) bannings take a day or so to filter through. OR at least a way to update your previous submission.
Obviously things like:
Drive type
Drive firmware
Spoofed as
... etc
Post by: Danton654 on May 18, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
EDIT
and cracked down on country spoofers*
This post has been edited by Danton654: May 18 2007, 07:04 AM
Post by: T Ghost on May 18, 2007, 12:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Danton654 @ May 18 2007, 02:03 AM)
what rules out the chance that they just included a official firmware check within the recent crackdown/halo3 betas?
EDIT
and cracked down on country spoofers*
That people that never played crackdown got banned.
Post by: epsilon72 on May 18, 2007, 12:06:00 AM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 17 2007, 10:31 PM)
Go F@@@K yourself i had originals to all 3 of my backups but now im not buying a damn thing thanks MS its about time i got tierd of paying for XBL and spending 59.99 plus tax
my stock is in SONY sales now
raise up your Henny to that
lol @ new users telling HSD to "go F@@@K" himself....(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
While I'm no fan of MS, they can do whatever they please with their LIVE service. If you don't like it, I guess you could buy a PS3, but you'll probably be disappointed then too ('cause there's nearly nothing to play right now!)
Post by: Mr007 on May 17, 2007, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: Danton654 on May 17, 2007, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: buttface96 on May 17, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
the theory about detecting a change in the firmware after upgrading to the spring dash update makes some sense to me, therefore I'm definately waiting this one out
Post by: sncboom2k on May 17, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
Let me know so he can put a bullet in his 360 or sleep well tonight. haha
Thanks
Sncboom2k
Post by: xnoelahg on May 18, 2007, 12:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Danton654 @ May 18 2007, 07:09 AM)
It's possible they included in spring update and waited though, right? The official driver is signed by microsoft and all it would take is an update to check if the firmware is signed.
The DVD drive firmware isn't signed.
I can't help but think of all the people who had a dead drive and had to spoof firmware just to have a console with a working drive...
Still, there's numerous posts on xbox.com's forums about unmodded consoles being banned.
Post by: mslash on May 18, 2007, 12:15:00 AM
This post has been edited by mslash: May 18 2007, 07:31 AM
Post by: mslash on May 17, 2007, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: jdsony on May 18, 2007, 01:13:00 AM
QUOTE(sgr215 @ May 18 2007, 06:27 AM)
Here's my theory although many won't like it: Perhaps we're giving MS too much credit. Maybe the bans are done much more simpler? My theory is MS was logging what games we've played. If you've played games that weren't available in your country at the moment you were playing it you were banned. Of course that would be if everyone who got banned really was pirating. It really would make sense though, how could you explain playing a game weeks before its release? Of course thats only a theory and there could be very legitimate reasons for having a game before release. If so, ignore me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Well if this were true then game reviewers would be banned from live.
I don't think Microsoft should ban consoles from live. At most they should not allow compromised systems to connect but it shouldn't ban. People should have the option to return to fully legitimate use. People will still play backup games but now they will either buy a second 360 (which Microsoft still loses money on) or they will stop paying for Live and Marketplace content. My 360 is modded but I still pay for content. If I am banned I will not be paying for content and I won't be purchasing a Gold account when Forza comes out.
Post by: nhoj_yelbom on May 18, 2007, 01:48:00 AM
Hitachi 0078fk without jitter check, downloaded halo3 beta through crackdown backup, banned next day
banned
Hitachi 0078fk without jitter check, downloaded halo3 beta through crackdown backup, banned next day
Post by: wolfienuke on May 18, 2007, 01:58:00 AM
Summary:
Samsung MS25
Updated from Xtreme 4.3 to 5.3c before Spring Update was installed
Used Latest X360SAM.exe to inject drive key to new firmware (Is there a difference between this and the batch files included with 5.3 i.e. spoofing?)
Only original games have been played since update
Can currently connect to XBL
Have not played any games since I heard of the banning (rumors?) this afternoon.
My guess is that they have recorded firmware information during first boot after the spring update, and if that has changed, flagged your 360. Sure there are some oddballs, but this seems fairly consistent...
Good luck to C4E, GaryOPA, any who ever else wishes to try to resolve these "Issues".
My condolences to everyone out there who has been banned, but I cannot shed a tear. You knew what you were doing, and that you can pay for your actions. So either buy a new console and fork out the cash for those games you love to play online, or crawl over to Sony or Nintendo with your tail between your legs. I sincerely hope I do not get banned, but intend to buy an elite if i do...
Post by: RayTwoOneThree on May 18, 2007, 02:37:00 AM
Not banned
Played Backed up copy of crack down
Played HALO 3 Beta
This post has been edited by RayTwoOneThree: May 18 2007, 09:42 AM
Post by: swebarb on May 18, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: noobsaibotz on May 18, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: IceMatrix8 on May 18, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
-->Has anyone tried to swap his hard drive(of banned console) to an original 360 console to see if he could still sign in??
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
Post by: shells344 on May 18, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: johnnyrico on May 18, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
let me tell you why MS mostly thinks the firmware xboxes should be banned: the firmware hack was perfect for pirates when it surfaced: play discs just like regular ones, and get on live with them.
QUOTE("HSDEMONZ")
Raise a Pint of your Ale...
Cheers to all the dumbfucks who vilated their EULA and are now banned.
Next time.. guess you'll either keep the modified box' off of live.. or accept the fact it was a risk you knew you were taking.
Cheers to MS for finally laying the smack down.
Looks like 360 Sales going to Jump with all of the sudden crush of people wanting new units. My stock in MS should see a short term spike as well.
Cheers.
MS.. it about fucking time.
couldn't agree more with you demonz.
Post by: cmart* on May 18, 2007, 02:45:00 AM
QUOTE(IceMatrix8 @ May 18 2007, 03:41 AM)
-->Has anyone tried to swap his hard drive(of banned console) to an original 360 console to see if he could still sign in??
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
-->Has anyone tried to swap his hard drive(of banned console) to an original 360 console to see if he could still sign in??
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
Yes, I have already tried this and it works. The profile on the hdd is not banned, but the xbox 360 itself is.
Post by: Crashdogy on May 18, 2007, 02:48:00 AM
Well I don't care when, and if they ban me because they are just saving me money about $410.00 a year $360.00 on micro points and $50.00 a year for Xbox live. I would NEVER go buy new Xbox 360 to play on Xbox live its over rated but was fun well it lasted. Content over priced, slow downloads, tons of advertisements etc, etc. The new blue-ray burners drives are out and soon PS3 games will be getting backed up, and hopefully some games will come out. Then Ill probably go to PS3 because they don't ban because online service is free as it should be till then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Enclosure Type Internal
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Dimensions (WxDxH) 5.7 in x 7 in x 1.6 in
Weight 1.9 lbs
Optical Storage BD-RE - 5.25" x 1/2H
Read Speed 32x (CD) / 12x (DVD) / 2x (BD)
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Post by: OcnewB on May 18, 2007, 02:12:00 AM
Post by: degen1343 on May 18, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
Post by: vydex on May 18, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
Post by: andi_06 on May 18, 2007, 02:19:00 AM
Post by: pcgeek on May 18, 2007, 02:20:00 AM
Post by: jimbobjim on May 18, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
.5.3A flashed before spring update.
.Original motherboard.
.Only backups played since update.
.Only started using live 2 days ago.
.UK console.
NOT BANNED, YET.
Post by: kryten2x4b on May 18, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
D/loaded the Halo Beta last night and had no problems. Woke up this morning to find out that all this was going on so i thought "What the hell , i don't play alot on MP anyway lets have a look see if im bannned ". Just tried 5 mins ago and everything is still fine.
Xtreme 5.2B before the Spring Update
Xtreme 5.3B after the Update had been applied ( only to keep upto date as i had no problems playing on the 5.2B F/W after the Spring Update.
Got a MS25 drive Spoofed to a MS28 as i got the 3 Rings of Death a few months ago and the new DVD Drive i got was from a MS28 mobo XBOX360.
Would that be likely to make any difference as to to Ban being applied ? Also in UK so i don't know if we just behind everyone else in getting banned!!! lol
Post by: wolfienuke on May 18, 2007, 03:00:00 AM
QUOTE(swebarb @ May 18 2007, 01:39 AM)
haha pwned everybody! I fully support what microsoft is doing, if you got a flashed 360 you have no business on Live.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Why do people like you even waste your time on a site that you don't agree with. I spend a lot of money on consoles, and don't like my younger brother scratching them up or even losing them (He's lost two Halo 2 disks including the original). Sure there's some bad apples, but what goes around comes around...
Maybe MS will make some more money from these people who steal, but the game developers won't see a penny of it... Who's the thief in that case?
QUOTE(vydex @ May 18 2007, 01:53 AM)
Well I have been banned. My hitachi 47d drive premium was banned and I had the latest hitachi firmware flash from C4E 2.4. My samsung 360 on the other hand has not been banned and Im still able to connect to live without any problems at all and Im currently running C4E 5.3 with the disc jitter. Im gonna experiement and download the halo 3 beta on the samsung and see what happens. Im thinking that this is not down to any detection of disk, because since the flash of my hitachi I have not put in any backup discs at all, which seems kinda strange.
Did you update both drives' firmware before updating or did you update the Hitachi fw after installing the Spring Update?
Post by: joe90 on May 18, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
QUOTE(noobsaibotz @ May 18 2007, 09:41 AM)
Way to go C4E and Garyopa.
don;t be such a childish idiot.. you knew the risks, yet you expect someone else to take the blame..
let me guess you are 14 and now screaming at mummy and daddy to by you a new xbox because the ban men on the interwebs broke yours.. its not exactly your fault is it now..
Post by: ek5932 on May 18, 2007, 02:25:00 AM
I upgraded my firmware a few months ago and haven't really played live since due to my suscription running out. When I saw the news post about the disk jitter stuff I choose to not get the update and not connect to live just incase. I'm actually too scared to check my XBL, I am not sure if I should flash my drive back to the original firmware then try it. I'm probably going to wait until more info is availible before even attempting to connect.
Post by: Aerolite on May 18, 2007, 02:26:00 AM
What about us who haven't been banned yet? (who knows we prolly are...)
Is there any sence in deleting GamerProfiles? Or can you even delete them? Or remove Live from your GamerProfile?
^_____^;; anyways it's not the end of the world.
-Aerolite-
Post by: gasclown on May 18, 2007, 02:27:00 AM
MS have a right to protect their content, and probably more importantly, an obligation to protect the developers' IP. Sure I'll get banned after next time I go online - No point whining....
What I really don't get is the attitude - "Screw microsoft, I'm getting a PS3'. Why? So you can _pay_ for games just like you should have been doing with the 360? So go get a ps3, they run Crackdown, GOW and Halo right? You can play backups on it as well right?
Nuh.
Post by: Sanitarium on May 18, 2007, 02:28:00 AM
Post by: mirko on May 18, 2007, 02:28:00 AM
Was thinking if ou used shared internet connection to connect to Live you could run a program like IEInspector (not IEInspector cos wont do it but a program similar) scan for info going out over shared internet connection + modify something to get back online? If it is this Z line scan for what the status code its putting out & change it to 0000-0000 perhaps?
Just a theory, thought i'd throw some ideas about, hope al you banned people manage to get round it!
Post by: CameronG on May 18, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
Post by: JeeBoy on May 18, 2007, 02:32:00 AM
Post by: TeamDevil on May 18, 2007, 03:08:00 AM
They both get to screw each other, only one gets to do it 'legally'.
Vote with your dollars kids not with your e-penis. I say take a break and wait for a ps3 price drop. Linux with mplayer is pretty niffty.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) If the RROD doesn't get that ass then the ban hammer will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
This post has been edited by TeamDevil: May 18 2007, 10:24 AM
Post by: smokeDOGGbaby on May 18, 2007, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE(JeeBoy @ May 18 2007, 02:08 AM)
Just flashed my HL 47DJ to original and now Xbox Live works great.
was this modded before?
Post by: skEwb on May 18, 2007, 03:19:00 AM
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?ty...s&cid=12479
Bungie is ban happy using words like "Bantacular" this moron is just jealous that his outdated halo 3 piece of crap engine can only do 1 thing right, and that's ban XB Live users. Epic and Gears of War is where it's at.
Bantacular? lmao
Then to top it all off on this post:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?ty...s&cid=12432
Betalicious!
haha he is so word happy, genius!
Hey SketchFactor do you have any new words for us? We want more!
This post has been edited by skEwb: May 18 2007, 10:21 AM
Post by: Garny on May 18, 2007, 03:19:00 AM
QUOTE(smokeDOGGbaby @ May 18 2007, 10:13 AM)
was this modded before?
obviously
Post by: smokeDOGGbaby on May 18, 2007, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Garny @ May 18 2007, 02:19 AM)
obviously
So he was banned than back on live by flashing back to normal ??? I dont think so.
Post by: flea247 on May 18, 2007, 02:55:00 AM
hitachi 47dj with the firmware released in october,
not banned from live yet,
although its only been playing originals since the spring update.
As to all the people saying thanks to Gary and C4,
yep you should be saying thanks as they have enabled you to play games for over a year,
and you can still play the games offline.
Nice to see all the the idiots saying ha ha youve been banned,
grow up,
The only solution to get back on live is buy another system or just play games offline.
Post by: toffepoff on May 18, 2007, 02:57:00 AM
or can you get banned just by logging in to Live if you have a modded xbox?
sry for bad english
Post by: ConteZero76 on May 18, 2007, 02:57:00 AM
At last you grab it... modded firmwares weren't for playing online.
Modded firmware are the sparkle to open the gates to true mod, with media center and emulators.
A friend of mine updated an exploitable dashboard with the new one only because some title refused to play... now he must be cursing each and every MS programmer.
Maybe now people will focus on developement and "serious" stuff.
Post by: autoprime on May 18, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
hitachi 47dj
used most current firmware PRIOR to disc jitter update(forget the version #)
i did not download halo 3 or ever play crackdown.
i downloaded the spring update the day it was released.
only game thats been in my drive the past month is guitar hero 2.
so much for downloading the extra guitar hero songs
Post by: trevorv on May 18, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
I have 59DJ that was flashed with C4EVA_XTRM-HITACHI_v2_4_Stealth AFTER installing the Spring Update (was 2.3 before). I haven't downloaded Halo 3 yet, but I've only own an original of Crackdown (as I'm a co-op junkie).
I'm interested to see how this develops. The cat and mouse game was fun -- then Microsoft turned into a lion and chomped us up. Thanks goes out to C4E, GaryOPA, and all the other hard-working dudes! It's been a blast messing with my 360. Fun while it lasted, eh?
Post by: flea247 on May 18, 2007, 03:45:00 AM
QUOTE(toffepoff @ May 18 2007, 10:33 AM)
does anyone know if it's safe to connect the network cable to your 360 just to see if you are banned or not?
or can you get banned just by logging in to Live if you have a modded xbox?
sry for bad english
ive just logged on and im not banned on my kids console,
You have a choice log in and try it or wait till they find a fix round it.
Post by: tewy on May 18, 2007, 03:10:00 AM
only a thought but u never no
i also never updated any box to the jitter fix f/ware
Post by: MickRick on May 18, 2007, 03:15:00 AM
After reading about the bans early this morning, I connected to Live and guess what... Not banned!
Now, I'm guessing that it is only a matter of time before my console does get banned because M$ probably have been collating information for a long time now (long runs the fox?) and the bans are probably on a region-by-region rollout. But it is entirely possible that there are other underlying reasons for owners getting banned, such as the Crackdown and/or Halo 3 scenarios.
But what is worrying are the owners who have never modified their consoles but are still getting banned. It is possible that a lot of these owners have had their original consoles replaced with "refurbished" ones by M$ after sending them back for repair and the replacements had originally been modified. If this is the case, then this would be a grave error on M$'s part, as it would mean that they have either not been checking drives for modifications on return, or if they have and have reflashed the fw (or replaced the drive) they have not been removing these consoles from their database of "bannable" consoles. Cue lawsuit.
Well, I'm keeping my console off Live in the meantime, just to see what happens. It's only used for Viva Pinata at the moment anyway.
Post by: redwolf on May 18, 2007, 03:54:00 AM
QUOTE(trevorv @ May 18 2007, 10:37 AM)
The cat and mouse game was fun -- then Microsoft turned into a lion and chomped us up.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
QUOTE(trevorv @ May 18 2007, 10:37 AM)
Fun while it lasted, eh?
you guys can't even play offline (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Post by: kero on May 18, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
1. Will save my marrage - the wife was going to kill me for being on the xbox so much
2. My kids will have more time with their daddy
3. I will get plenty of rest (no more late nights)
Negatives:
1. Wife may want to make love to me again and we may acidently have another child.
PS. For sale: wireless headset and live vision
hehehe
Post by: IceMatrix8 on May 18, 2007, 03:19:00 AM
Has anyone tried this to confirm it?
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
Post by: jimbobjim on May 18, 2007, 04:00:00 AM
QUOTE(kero @ May 18 2007, 10:54 AM)
Some good news from this:
1. Will save my marrage - the wife was going to kill me for being on the xbox so much
2. My kids will have more time with their daddy
3. I will get plenty of rest (no more late nights)
Negatives:
1. Wife may want to make love to me again and we may acidently have another child.
PS. For sale: wireless headset and live vision
hehehe
Being a dad myself with kiddy number 3 on the way i can fully relate. That was very funny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: MrSimmo on May 18, 2007, 03:30:00 AM
Cheers, Simmo
Post by: jimbobjim on May 18, 2007, 03:36:00 AM
1. People who don't go on live will now be able to buy a banned console off Ebay for a good price.
2. It now looks clear that M$ won't be stopping backups from booting (this was always a fear)
3. Modchip makers have just been given a kick up the ass to make something good.
4. M$ have just lost a s**t load of live customers.
Post by: darkliquid on May 18, 2007, 03:42:00 AM
This means that either I'm blind, MS can't see hacked FW on these, or they are waiting a bit with banning these drives.
Post by: OcnewB on May 18, 2007, 03:51:00 AM
1. Could you still be able to download gameupdates/pacthes?
2. Could you still be able to download dashboad updates when they get realeased?
What if you will only be able to play a game (for instance future releases) on an updated dasboardconsole.
In that case cou cant download the dasboard from live.
To circumvent that ( for instance with consoles that havent been connected to the internet) they can put the updated dash on the game discs. With this updated disc when it starts flashing/patching the dashboard they can maybe see (can they?) that the xbox is modified. When the patch starts, it finds the consolemodified and the console falls back to the previeous dashboard (which is stored). However the problem arises than that you cant play new games (even when they are original).
Is this a problem that could be taken serious?
Post by: mgctim on May 18, 2007, 04:30:00 AM
QUOTE(darkliquid @ May 18 2007, 05:18 AM)
Browsing this thread, I haven't seen a single reply yet that has stated his or her MS25 or MS28 being banned.
This means that either I'm blind, MS can't see hacked FW on these, or they are waiting a bit with banning these drives.
Post by: benbon on May 18, 2007, 04:37:00 AM
QUOTE(IceMatrix8 @ May 18 2007, 10:55 AM)
-->Has anyone tried to swap his hard drive(of banned console) to an original 360 console to see if he could still sign in??
Has anyone tried this to confirm it?
official MS says that:These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.
sooo does this mean that your hard drive is still intact and not marked! and that if you put it in another console you should be allright....? right??
Yes it will work, a friend of mine did it, he got banned and put the HD on a unmodded Xbox and he got on live.
I have a ms25 Samsung, it was flashed with x3.2 and I re-flashed it with x5.3a before the spring update, I have been playing Halo 3 with a backup copy of crackdown and still have NOT been banned! Maybe I'm getting banned as i write this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
4 other friends of mine have Samsungs with 3.2 and 4.2 firmware and still no ban ether.
Post by: tupesy25 on May 18, 2007, 04:08:00 AM
Post by: Hopeful on May 18, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Nath79 @ May 18 2007, 10:05 AM)
It might be that the jitter firmwares DO actually work, its just that MS started detecting it before they were released. Just a thought...
That's a very good question, actually.
It seems people who did their last firmware upgrade BEFORE installing their spring dashboard update... are having a lot less troubles.
Maybe the spring update puts something on boxes that monitors your firmware, or checks for signs of flashing/tampering, and then reports you while you're on live, adding you to a ban list, and they slowly start banning.
Sounds feasible that the spring update (or even an earlier update) has been tracking disc jitter (or something else) like you said, for a while, adding users to a ban list waiting to drop the hammer.
A lot of those who flashed to anti-jitter fw BEFORE the dash update ever touched their box, seem to be sitting pretty atm. Let's see if that lasts, and gives us any more clues.
Maybe c4e was right.
Either way, live bores me anyway. I'm more of a homebrew guy. I'm actually grated at the gp system putting standard exact-same parts in all games. Sort of infesting every 360 version game with the same counter and popups; the ms game sewn into the action of every game. What about a game fully controlling itself as ts own totally original creation? It can, for me, sour the experience, getting these silly "points" popping up while playing a serious game, which is my favorite type. The points can be out of place like a toothless strip bar frequenter hooting and yelping at an art gallery. You don't want ms point systems popping up into a serious, thought provoking game, haha. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It's like watching "a beautiful mind" p-i-p inside "Nickelodeon Guts", and as a salute to wankhood you can't take pip mode off. And I know a lot of more thought-focused gamers are waiting to GET some cinematic, thought provoking 360 games aren't we hahaha. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But that's a different rant for a different day.
Long story short. Maybe c4e was right. It's a high probability that C4E's theory holds weight, with all the experience he has. More so than some new leech with a conspiracy theory anyway, right?
This post has been edited by Hopeful: May 18 2007, 11:58 AM
Post by: Deltagunner on May 18, 2007, 04:17:00 AM
Post by: dev435 on May 18, 2007, 04:25:00 AM
they said that as long as i went online with originals there shouldn't be any problem what so ever but NOT and they emphasised the NOT backups!!!!
no bs try ringing them your self but hopefully that will put paid to the wide spread panic phew!!!!!
Post by: interbreeding on May 18, 2007, 04:29:00 AM
anyways its not that important to me to play online. But i'm using the media center to stream xvid to my xbox. but it seems that doesnt work without beiing connected to live?
can anyone confirm this? or say how to get into media center without beiing connected to live?
(sorry for my bad englisch
)
Post by: mgctim on May 18, 2007, 05:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Deltagunner @ May 18 2007, 05:53 AM)
Well I have a ms25 with 5.3a reporting as ms25 and not banned, yet. I flashed before the spring update and have not played any backups since then. Previous Firmware was 5.0a. Have played Halo3 with no problems.
Same here, MS25, reporting as MS25, flashed after the Spring update came out, but before it was installed on my Box, but I'm banned.
Post by: naoneo on May 18, 2007, 04:33:00 AM
never played crackdown while online, never downloaded halo 3 beta
spring update installed (updated firmware AFTER spring update install).
As for banned drives.. i have a stupid idea so bear with me here..
Surely when a machine connects to xbox live, there is some sort of consoleID check over the network, as gamertags from banned machines are working fine in other machines.
Would it not be possible to capture network traffic from a banned box, and a legit box, figure out which packets contain the consoleID check response over the network, and spoof this packet so xbox live sees an entirely different consoleID and says "hey, that's not the banned one, go connect" ?
Perhaps it's stupid but it's always a possibility.
Post by: Zomah on May 18, 2007, 04:46:00 AM
1. detect the stealth firmwares.
2. detect firmware changes after the update.
3. detect game media.
It also seems that NME chips arent banned.
So the chips have won and we lose.
Post by: rjtd on May 18, 2007, 04:46:00 AM
Where you playing backups at the time? Was there a backup on the DVD drive at the moment you connected to Live?
Post by: afortaleza on May 18, 2007, 04:50:00 AM
-- Anderson
Post by: morpheus9394 on May 18, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
We knew the risks involved with modding the 360. There was always the chance that MS would find a way to detect the mod and ban people.
I am just suprised it took them so long.
I also don't understand why people are blaming Commodore4eva and Garyopa. They have spent alot of their own time and money to give us the ability to play backups and they hard work has lasted for well over a year.
I got banned last night but I am not upset or bitter. I can still play all my backups.
I will just buy another 360 and use that machine for playing XBOX Live with original games and using my old 360 for playing backups.
I only play an handful of games online anyway and for those games I bought the original. When games like Forza 2 and Halo3 come out, I would have bought the original because a) I know I would be playing them online alot and
Top quality games deserve to be bought.With the money I have saved by not buying full priced games I could buy 10 new 360s and still have change.
Of course I would have prefered not to have been banned but MS have every right to protect themselves from us pirates.
I do feel sorry for those people who have been banned for no reason, i.e. people who have not modded their 360s. But I am sure if they sent the machine to MS the problem can easily be fixed.
Post by: naoneo on May 18, 2007, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(afortaleza @ May 18 2007, 12:26 PM)
I think it's time to remove that pinned thread stating that people will not be banned from Xbox Live.
-- Anderson
Probably also time people stopped pressing "Add Reply" ten times out of impatience.
Post by: vicious6969 on May 18, 2007, 05:02:00 AM
The main concern is if they can detect 'stealth' firmware or not.
If they can't, all we need to do is when:
a) Playing backed up games - unplug the ethernet cable so you're not online
When playing online, make sure you use originals.If they can only detect backed up media and not firmware then I'm happy.
Post by: Riverpatrol on May 18, 2007, 05:12:00 AM
I hope the nonflashed people get there live back.
Post by: maxpepsi on May 18, 2007, 05:13:00 AM
Post by: joe90 on May 18, 2007, 05:53:00 AM
QUOTE(morpheus9394 @ May 18 2007, 12:27 PM)
I don't understand why people are getting so upset.
We knew the risks involved with modding the 360. There was always the chance that MS would find a way to detect the mod and ban people.
I am just suprised it took them so long.
I also don't understand why people are blaming Commodore4eva and Garyopa. They have spent alot of their own time and money to give us the ability to play backups and they hard work has lasted for well over a year.
I got banned last night but I am not upset or bitter. I can still play all my backups.
I will just buy another 360 and use that machine for playing XBOX Live with original games and using my old 360 for playing backups.
I only play an handful of games online anyway and for those games I bought the original. When games like Forza 2 and Halo3 come out, I would have bought the original because a) I know I would be playing them online alot and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Top quality games deserve to be bought.
With the money I have saved by not buying full priced games I could buy 10 new 360s and still have change.
Of course I would have prefered not to have been banned but MS have every right to protect themselves from us pirates.
I do feel sorry for those people who have been banned for no reason, i.e. people who have not modded their 360s. But I am sure if they sent the machine to MS the problem can easily be fixed.
I agree 100% and what is like £150 for a core.. 3 games?
it was going to happen, glad it lasted this long really..
Post by: d-range on May 18, 2007, 05:57:00 AM
Anyway I'm glad I had my 360 offline for months now, don't even have the Fall update on it. So my box is probably still good for real homebrew later (2585 kernel ftw). If they ban it anyway, so be it, I already factored in the risk they'd do that someday. What I *will* be doing now is cancel my live subscription, haven't been using it anyway but now that there's a risk I cannot even use it for arcade games and demo's later, I want to get rid of it altogether. Because of my hacking-interest in real homebrew and 360 development I'll keep my 360 around. I wasn't really playing it that much and my new gf doesn't like computer games anyway, so this might actually be a good thing. Don't need an XBL account to play games with her lol ;-)
This post has been edited by d-range: May 18 2007, 01:00 PM
Post by: SoySauceUSC on May 18, 2007, 05:22:00 AM
Post by: brocher on May 18, 2007, 05:23:00 AM
Chuffed to bits that backups still play offline (99.9% of my playtime).I just hope that we will still be able to apply dash updates through future games / dl'ing the patch. Would be gutted to miss out on any future updates / not be able to play future games.
I remember when SP2 came out for XP, anyone with a pirated version of XP would get an error message saying that this was a pirated version of windows and wouldn't get any more updates
Would suck if future patches contained an offline list of console ID's and wouldn't let any of them apply updates.Worse case scenario, I can use this 360 for playing all games released up to now (offline) and pay £150 for a new 360 for new games and online play
Not too bad a deal, considering I've had over a year of "free" time from this console
Post by: andyfr on May 18, 2007, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: interbreeding on May 18, 2007, 05:29:00 AM
need help
Post by: morpheus9394 on May 18, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
Anyway people should remember that the original purpose of the modded firmware was to allow you to play "backups". All the stealth stuff was added with the disclaimer that it may still be possible to get banned for using backups.
We have been spoilt with the ability to use our backups online for a long time now. There is no point in complaining. What we did was against the license agreement that we all agreed to when we joined xbox live.
The choice now is simple - keep your modded 360 and play your backups offline, sell your modded 360 and buy a new one and got legit from now on or keep your modded 360 for backups and buy a new 360 for playing legit games online.
Me - I am going to buy a new machine in a few weeks or perhaps wait for the Elite to arrive in the UK.
I just hope those people who got banned for no reason can get their machines sorted quickly and painlessly.
Sorry for the duplicate posts - kept getting errors after hitting "add reply" so thought my post was not being added but I guess it was
Anyway people should remember that the original purpose of the modded firmware was to allow you to play "backups". All the stealth stuff was added with the disclaimer that it may still be possible to get banned for using backups.
We have been spoilt with the ability to use our backups online for a long time now. There is no point in complaining. What we did was against the license agreement that we all agreed to when we joined xbox live.
The choice now is simple - keep your modded 360 and play your backups offline, sell your modded 360 and buy a new one and got legit from now on or keep your modded 360 for backups and buy a new 360 for playing legit games online.
Me - I am going to buy a new machine in a few weeks or perhaps wait for the Elite to arrive in the UK.
I just hope those people who got banned for no reason can get their machines sorted quickly and painlessly.
Post by: hamwbone on May 18, 2007, 05:41:00 AM
BTW so you can flame me even more, my console is not modded and will stay that way. I support microsoft by buying/renting their games. I am no hypocrite though, (this is why I am here) you can bet your pants when I can run XBMC on it I will break it open in a heart beat, but don't expect it to be on live again. That will be for the elite model
More hacking less copying!
Post by: Spark on May 18, 2007, 06:20:00 AM
QUOTE(dev435 @ May 18 2007, 12:01 PM)
ok here's the deal rang microsoft told them was fed up with my kids scratching the game discs so had machine modded (i.e firmware flash) to play backups as couldn't keep paying out 40 quid a game!
they said that as long as i went online with originals there shouldn't be any problem what so ever but NOT and they emphasised the NOT backups!!!!
no bs try ringing them your self but hopefully that will put paid to the wide spread panic phew!!!!!
You've got balls man, I'll give you that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This was bound to happen sooner or later though, I'm just amazed that it took them as long as it did.
Post by: korncussion on May 18, 2007, 05:46:00 AM
has anyone been banned playing originals since the update
since i updated 'i have only been online with originals an no ban
If this turns out to be the case, I'm up for that!
Post by: OcnewB on May 18, 2007, 05:49:00 AM
1:
Xbox Live Bantacular
Posted by SketchFactor at 5/17/2007 3:28 PM PDT
We are continually fighting the good fight to keep modders and jerks out of the Halo 2 online population (and now Halo 3) but we can all sleep easier at night knowing that the Xbox Live team has their own group of agents working towards the betterment of the online community.
Major Nelson and Gamerscoreblog posted reminders today that people who log onto Live using modified consoles are being dealt with. As more and more people pour into the Halo 3 Beta, please take this warning to heart. Using modified content and hacked boxes is against the Terms of Use for Xbox Live and doing so will result in your console being permanently banned from the service. Forever. For all games.
If you get an error message "Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D" it means you are done playing Xbox Live on that console. Congrats.
To all of the upstanding members of the Live community - we salute you and look forward to fun times throughout the Halo 3 Beta and beyond
2.
We've been speaking to someone who claim's to have some technical insight into the update. His claim's are that the new update gives the dash the ability to dump the eeprom to do crc checks on area's. He said that the instant the update was ran, it was checked and flagged if data was altered. One of the main reasons I believe him is because he mentioned the fact that the 360 now takes about 3 seconds longer to boot. This would definitly be a result of dumping the eeprom and checking. MS will now start rolling 'waves' of bans over the next few weeks, and not all at once. I think they do this for their support staff, publicity, and image.
So, likely, the console was flagged already, and changing wont do anything at this point.
Ah well, just more speculation.
Post by: dev435 on May 18, 2007, 05:49:00 AM
just gone and bought retail gears of war plays fine no ban
ms25
will keep all informed as day goes on
Post by: eztiger on May 18, 2007, 05:53:00 AM
This would then let them get their live revenue back and would give no one a real cause to complain.
Both sides win, if we want backups (which MS either don't care about or concede there is nothing they can do about else they would have taken a harsher line than just banning from live) we flash the drive...but no live. If we want on live, we use the original firmware thus allowing ms to be sure that the integrity of the console is intact and that an original disk is being used.
The problem right now is that yes, the eula was broken and the box is banned - but thats it, no comeback short of buying a new one even if we revert to the 'approved' ms hardware.
Of course, that idea might not even be possible depending on how they do their firmware checks - which would be a telling insite into that process in itself.
Post by: toratora on May 18, 2007, 05:57:00 AM
I have a few "uneducated" comments:
We all knew this was a possibility. We took a chance- it is part of the game.
Let's try to keep our comments on target. The PS3 line is old. Kids- stay out of this one and let's let people who want to solve this work.
I feel that there are 2 groups who hack- those who want to play "copies" and those who want to use the hardware to run more- mainly Linux. The firmware hack allowed the first group to do what they want, and did not provide the other group as much incentive to fully crack the system. I think Msoft made a mistake on this one- they will now feel the wrath of the hacking community. One only needs to look at the PSP scene. Hackers always win. If hardware is made by man, it can be cracked by man. That simple.
Msoft will also leave a very bad taste in the mouths of hackers. The people who mod are not evil. They are not cheating on live. They are playing copied games. Most of these supporters will further their view that msoft is a large money manking, evil company. Bad PR towards a very hardcore group that will have an impact in this round of the console war.
They will also loose revenue from live. Modders are paying for stuff. They are making money off of us. I have spent well over $500 on downloads. I buy movies. They will loose that revenue, and it will hurt in the long run.
I play copies. I buy retail games. I, like many in the scene use copies almost like rentals. If the game is good, I will and have bought it. I would not have bought it if I had not tried it first. Sure developers are loosing money, but I don't buy into the figures they throw around. Just because you play a backup, does NOT mean that you are going to buy the game.
I have not yet been banned. I am planning on it. It is only a matter of time. My speculation, is that they have a list of moders and were doing this in waves, but possibly stopped when people began complaining that they were banned using no mod- just a thought. Has anyone been banned in the last 24 hours, that made it past the initial wave. This would be interesting to hear.
Maybe there is no pattern. Maybe they have us all down (very likely) and understand the scene and how we collectively think about solutions. I know if I were to try this, this is how I would think given the past.
I hope we find a solution. But, the days of playing live are dead for now. I hope that we are still able to play backups outside of live. We may be in a short window until the next update (Fall), where our games will not work at all. While it is true that we control the firmware, they still control the box. Until this is fully cracked, it will be a continuing cat and mouse game of updating the firmware.
And let's all remember: Microsoft is reading our comments and paying attention to our solutions. Let's hope that they are also thinking with their wallet and might wish to reconsider the real impact of banning consoles.
Post by: quenlin on May 18, 2007, 06:05:00 AM
1 - has anyone been banned just browsing around the marketplace with no disc in the drive?
2 - has anyone been banned while playing shivering isles?
Post by: ITALIANO on May 18, 2007, 06:11:00 AM
after the update this night he go to download FORZA MOTORSPORT 2 demo becouse he don't use the xbox360 for more month,and when he go to download FM2 demo the progress STOP at 42% then the console tell him are banned.
He don't have PLAY ANITHING he go only to download FM2 demo and get banned this is amazing.
Post by: espionix on May 18, 2007, 06:15:00 AM
I have an Hitachi-LG 78 and wasn't banned
Post by: digi360 on May 18, 2007, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(mlapaglia @ May 17 2007, 10:27 PM)
i've got a launch day xbox, i had the firmware that allowed linux (not sure what the number is), i flashed my drive to the latest firmware, then did ALL of the updates my xbox never had, then ran crackdown off a backup, downloaded the beta, and played it all night long. i've been playing crackdown (off the backup) for the entire day today, im not banned.
i'm assuming that you have a hitachi since you were running the hv exploit, but which version?
Post by: 1nsan3 on May 18, 2007, 06:31:00 AM
I knew they would start before Halo 3 comes out. SInce ya know they dont want another Halo 2 modding frenzy on there hands. I laughed my ass off when i seen a few people pissed off that had modded firmware and got banned lol!!
atleast ya can play your backups!
my buddy next door has 2 systems, 1 for offline and 1 for online. firmware has never touched online it dont even have an online profile. thats the smart way to go. if ya sign on once with a modded firware, they most likely saved it to ban ya later. so why ever ever even sign on. only thing ya can expect is to get banned. so please some of ya are mad because ya got banned for it. dont cry here about it ya knew it was comming. us little people can sometimes outsmart m$ but never for too long...
Post by: StreetX on May 18, 2007, 06:33:00 AM
M$ is too great. The update was just a update I think. Well see you next time M$
Post by: Digital Marine on May 18, 2007, 06:35:00 AM
Okay, eating breakfast this morning I was pondering the idea of how M$ could be banning.
May 9, Spring Update (I think
)New system released to run checksums over firmware, then log them on your motherboard somewhere. Checksums such as a SHA1 or SHA256, not a simple CRC. Now I don't know much about firmwares, I've only dealt with them once. But if I'm correct, the DVD key is located inside the firmware. Therefore, every Xbox 360 would have its own unique checksum on the firmware.
May 17, Last Update (I think again
)System has advanced. People with different checksums stored from May 9 to today are getting banned.
Next Update
More advanced. Do checksums on certain sections instead of whole firmware. This would lead to everyone who has ever flashed their firmware to be banned, including me.
Post by: Masta-G on May 18, 2007, 06:40:00 AM
I think MS couldn't detect a modified dvd-drive at all.. I think they just pressed every original copy of Crackdown with a minor difference (like every copy has a different code compiled into it)... So everyone who got a pirated backup of the disc from the usual sources, were running the same version and got banned.
That way it was easy of MS to find out who was using an orignal copy and who was not. Like when thousands of ppl sign into xbox live using the same pirated copy of crackdown (and most of 'em just to get on halo3).. do the math.
I think people who claim they got banned without even playing Crackdown once are bullshitting the rest just to confuse.
And if they really found a way to detect backups, I bet C4Evah, GaryOpa and Maximus have their pockets filled:P
Well I saw it coming anyways... And I must admit, the 360 isnt that great without live, games like Fight Night, Fifa, Gears of War and RB6 Las Vegas really own online.
That's why I'm going to get a second console with the original games just to play on Live:)
Post by: l0tics on May 18, 2007, 07:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Digital Marine @ May 18 2007, 02:11 PM)
System has advanced. People with different checksums stored from May 9 to today are getting banned.
Oh the irony.. can anyone confirm this? I updated during that time and got banned. My other friend who did was able to go on live when the beta came out, then again without a disc in yesterday. My other friends who haven't updated have been staying off live.
Post by: MourningWood on May 18, 2007, 06:44:00 AM
I have a Hitachi 59dj and was out of town when the spring update came out so I wasn't online. I updated my firmware when I got back and all was good until last night. I powered it up with the eject button so no game was in the drive when it loaded. Right off once it hit the dashboard it didn't sign into live.
Should I have guessed something was up when XS had so much traffic it wouldn't load.
I have a few customer that I recently modded after the update reporting back that they are not banned (both versions of the Sammies).
Out of curiousity has anyone that read this before turning on their console try to flash it back to original then get on to see what it says?
It would be my guess that no matter what I did banning would have happened the next time I turned the 360 on. From the reports of my customers and a few others I've read I'm also speculating that they have been watching for some time creating their list of who has been naughty and nice. Also, I think it is possible that the firmware updates may work but only if you have only used the new firmware before or after the update (just a guess).
Good Job Microsoft: Let the games begin
Good job to everyone involved with all the 360 hacks and keep up the good work. Just as the 360 scene was getting boring new challanges have been laid out before us. It is when things like this happen that the scene comes together and major advancement are made. Keep up the fight!
Post by: willy134uk on May 18, 2007, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: crs on May 18, 2007, 07:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Masta-G @ May 18 2007, 03:16 PM)
I think they just pressed every original copy of Crackdown with a minor difference (like every copy has a different code compiled into it)...
That would be logistically impossible, considering how they need to make a costly master to press copies of the DVD.
Post by: jkat98 on May 18, 2007, 07:04:00 AM
Never got booted, dont appear to be banned. But I havent logged on as of today (and im afraid to at this point, lol)
It does seem like this only has to do with folks that were trying to play Halo 3 beta via a burned copy (i.e. unoriginal) of Crackdown. But then again, only time will tell.
Either way, I have no problem buying another console and having 2 - 1 for online and 1 for offline/backups.
Post by: Crashdogy on May 18, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
I think people need to leave C4Evah, GaryOpa, and Maximus guys alone unless you can prove that they screwed people over and their own stuff too, which I highly doubt.
This post has been edited by Crashdogy: May 18 2007, 02:49 PM
Post by: pkt on May 18, 2007, 07:10:00 AM
so as far as i'm concerned it's nothing to do with people downloading the halo 3 beta release - it might have been the first batch of the banhammer coincided with the release of it, but thats in now way indicative of people downloading it and being banned.
Post by: m1tch37 on May 18, 2007, 07:21:00 AM
Post by: wertt on May 18, 2007, 07:25:00 AM
ms has been tracking this for a while now.the sick thing is that i'm most upset that i won't be able to download carcassonne in june. i actually lost a little sleep over it last night.
Post by: tizer on May 18, 2007, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: Tribis on May 18, 2007, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: watto on May 18, 2007, 08:09:00 AM
If you DE-SOLDER the EEPROM chip on your 360 motherboard your console should still work fine and should work online too. The Eeprom chip itself stores the Dash and other "Upgradeable" pieces of 360 Software so if we de-solder that it could possibly stop the update from working and therefore being banned?
Sectors
1 copyright notice, zeros, unencrypted numbers
2 encrypted data
@2MB filesystem, unencrypted, but content encrypted, config not
These sectors could be the numbers that appear when you are banned the error numbers, so by removing this chip it could POSSIBLY send the numbers back to their original status and therefore stopping you being banned from LIVE.
If someone could try this out on a banned console and see if it works it would be much appreciated!!!
Heres a link to what the eeprom chip looks like and more info: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...puuTdYzDcXf.php
Post by: barge on May 18, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: TheOtherside on May 18, 2007, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE(MourningWood @ May 18 2007, 03:20 PM)
Out of curiousity has anyone that read this before turning on their console try to flash it back to original then get on to see what it says?
I've played yesterday Halo 3 beta before any messages about banning people. After playing Halo3 havn't touched my console again. Then the messages showed up about people being banned.
I figured... wel since I will be getting banned if I go online I just might try to flash back my original Firmware. Wich I did. Went on Live and it worked like a charm.
Note: I Didn't had received a banned message before so this is no solution to unban yourself.
If MS has collected info in the last couple of weeks of my console I properly wil be banned. If not... there is no way for them now to ban me because of a modded firmware. Unless they implented something that could check if the drive has been flashed.
I guess i've just wait and see.
Post by: 4real*leb on May 18, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Tribis on May 18, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(watto @ May 18 2007, 10:09 AM)
I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA!!! Whether it will work or not is a different matter...
If you DE-SOLDER the EEPROM chip on your 360 motherboard your console should still work fine and should work online too. The Eeprom chip itself stores the Dash and other "Upgradeable" pieces of 360 Software so if we de-solder that it could possibly stop the update from working and therefore being banned?
Sectors
1 copyright notice, zeros, unencrypted numbers
2 encrypted data
@2MB filesystem, unencrypted, but content encrypted, config not
These sectors could be the numbers that appear when you are banned the error numbers, so by removing this chip it could POSSIBLY send the numbers back to their original status and therefore stopping you being banned from LIVE.
If someone could try this out on a banned console and see if it works it would be much appreciated!!!
Heres a link to what the eeprom chip looks like and more info: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...puuTdYzDcXf.php
I think your right on the money
Post by: kipsman on May 18, 2007, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: punkerman on May 18, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
Can anyone confirm that they are banning by console id, and not by actual Firmware?
If the ban is by console id, then it's just bullshit... and i probably won't buy any M$ stuff. In fact, i don't know what am doing sitting here with my Windows XP, Vista...
If the ban is because I have a not original Firmware, then i just stop using it, and that's it! You don't lose anything M$! Or screwing people its your goal?
What its worst, people that haven't done anything to his xbox360, being banned. Now what??? Chainsaw glitch??? ban for life???
I just flashed my firmware about a month, don't have any backup games, and now, am banned. M$ and his new slogan: "No mercy".
The only thing i regret is that i have lost bunch of friends at Xbox Live, and for those who are about to be ban, i salute you! Praised be M$ and his new policy of sales!
Post by: Jeffrc on May 18, 2007, 07:56:00 AM
i never play games online, but i will miss downloading xbla games.
its the system thats banned, not the user name... correct? thats what ive seen a million times...
so in essense, couldnt i just drop my hdd on anotehr sytem, but whatever arcade game i want, and play it on my modded system anyway?
i can understand them not wanting us playing coop/vs games on xbl, but think about how much money they are losing from people who BUY addons, xbla games, themes.. etc...
Post by: Tiuk on May 18, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
At least MS is only banning consoles and not gamertags, though. They could easily ban both.
Post by: gary623 on May 18, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
is there anyone out there that has been banned that is are was in credit with there points?
Just my 2bits worth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Post by: Tek on May 18, 2007, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: vicious6969 on May 18, 2007, 08:50:00 AM
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Post by: THAbomb82 on May 18, 2007, 08:57:00 AM
I been playing Helo3 Beta and crackdown....
But I don't know for how long I'll be on for.
For now I unpluged my I-net cable hoping not to get caught... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: gamemaster14 on May 18, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Thats easy. When you are playing a game it will say the name of the game under your live id when you are online. When you are playing a dvd or cd it just says you are at the dashboard.
I only have one thought on this whole situation, All of the modders knew this was comming sooner or later. It no one elses fault besides your own that you got banned. Microsoft is well in their rights to ban you since the user agreement says you can not modify the hardware.
Post by: spazz on May 18, 2007, 09:23:00 AM
I logged into live today downloaded the Halo Crackdown demo and played it for about 10 mins. I went to work came home and found out that MS has already started banning user. My curosity always gets the best of me, so i had to see if i was banned, when i logged in I was okay. I downloaded the Shrek Demo and everything seemed fine. I login a few hrs later and i was still good.
Now my theory is, I originally started off with a Hitachi 47dj and switched to an ms25. I still have both drives mind you. Now my theory is, there might be certain dumping checks incorporated in the new Dashboard update for the hitachi and ms25. Since i switched my drive to a samsung, it is still displaying as a Hitachi 47. So when it calls for a dump of the firmware to check it cannot because it is using the Hitachi dump check.
Now this is all speculation, has anyone switched their drive and had similar success???
Post by: dinzy on May 18, 2007, 09:26:00 AM
C4E speculated that MS may be able to detect if the system was booted without the DVD drive connected. This was immediately dismissed by many because they flashed before the spring update.
Ahem!
What if this feature was included in the fall update or the small update to plug the recently discovered HV hole?
Are there any people who have not flashed since before the fall update that are not banned, or more correctly do not get banned in the few days or weeks it takes to finish with the banning?
Also IIRC some FWS bring new features to the drive. Couldn't MS detect whether or not they can "use" these features by enabling them in the new dash update?
I am just speculating that's all
Post by: tgm4883 on May 18, 2007, 09:26:00 AM
QUOTE(vicious6969 @ May 18 2007, 08:50 AM)
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
Here's a question.
If they can't detect firmware and only do it on based media detection, what's the difference between playing a backed up game whilst signed into live and listening / watching a copied music cd or movie DVD?
A cd or DVD isn't signed.
Post by: matrix961 on May 18, 2007, 09:27:00 AM
Facts:
Played the Halo3 Beta last night with retail crackdown disc.
Version Hitachi 78fk.
Flashed with the first toolbox that could flash the 78fk.
Flashed in 2006 and has not re-flashed since.
Played 1 backup a few times locally back in 2006 but never online.
Has not had the backup in his system since the end of 2006.
Peace,
Post by: islam100 on May 18, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Like someone else said the day I got my 360 I called MS and told them I have a modded machine but wanna use xbox live and they said as long as i use originals I will be okay. guess that was BS then!
I have a friend who has a unmodded 360 and he has been banned. Called MS and they were no help at all. Said he has no warranty and nothing they can do. he mentioned that he has heard that modded machines are being banned and the customer service denied all knowledge of that.
anyone heard this news? Is it BS??
"According to Boris Schneider Johne (German Microsofts PR)
you can get banned and get the exact same error code as the firmware ban code if:
- you have a oversea account with NON VALID ADDRESS
- you paid with a oversea creditcard where the address does not agrees with the address used in xbox live
Post by: adamscybot on May 18, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(spazz @ May 18 2007, 04:23 PM)
Now, I have a theory... I'm not an Xbox360 expert however it is plausible that my theory could be true.
I logged into live today downloaded the Halo Crackdown demo and played it for about 10 mins. I went to work came home and found out that MS has already started banning user. My curosity always gets the best of me, so i had to see if i was banned, when i logged in I was okay. I downloaded the Shrek Demo and everything seemed fine. I login a few hrs later and i was still good.
Now my theory is, I originally started off with a Hitachi 47dj and switched to an ms25. I still have both drives mind you. Now my theory is, there might be certain dumping checks incorporated in the new Dashboard update for the hitachi and ms25. Since i switched my drive to a samsung, it is still displaying as a Hitachi 47. So when it calls for a dump of the firmware to check it cannot because it is using the Hitachi dump check.
Now this is all speculation, has anyone switched their drive and had similar success???
Im also interested in this. I have a hitachi 47 spoofed as 78. I wonder if we are getting away with it....
I havent checked if IM banned. I dont dare yet.
Post by: Winchy on May 18, 2007, 09:34:00 AM
Hitachi 59, latest firm. blah.
Talking to my friend who cannot connect either and I got him to check for the "banned" screen and he said he has it, however his console is completely unmodded (I'm pretty sure).
Possible that they have banned some people who aren't using modded firmwares? If so then they cannot continue banning innocent people surely?
I bet most people will buy a new box so it will make a small dent in MS profits.
Post by: gerzand on May 18, 2007, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(spazz @ May 18 2007, 03:23 PM)
Now, I have a theory... I'm not an Xbox360 expert however it is plausible that my theory could be true.
I logged into live today downloaded the Halo Crackdown demo and played it for about 10 mins. I went to work came home and found out that MS has already started banning user. My curosity always gets the best of me, so i had to see if i was banned, when i logged in I was okay. I downloaded the Shrek Demo and everything seemed fine. I login a few hrs later and i was still good.
Now my theory is, I originally started off with a Hitachi 47dj and switched to an ms25. I still have both drives mind you. Now my theory is, there might be certain dumping checks incorporated in the new Dashboard update for the hitachi and ms25. Since i switched my drive to a samsung, it is still displaying as a Hitachi 47. So when it calls for a dump of the firmware to check it cannot because it is using the Hitachi dump check.
Now this is all speculation, has anyone switched their drive and had similar success???
yes I have done the exact same thing with no Ban as of yet. I originally had a 78fk and swapped it for a ms25 which I spoofed as the 78. Ive been on Halo 3 and several others for the past 2 days.
Post by: devilstrider on May 18, 2007, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: youloseagain on May 18, 2007, 09:09:00 AM
QUOTE(gamemaster14 @ May 18 2007, 08:11 AM)
I only have one thought on this whole situation, All of the modders knew this was comming sooner or later. It no one elses fault besides your own that you got banned. Microsoft is well in their rights to ban you since the user agreement says you can not modify the hardware.
Yes we know that and no one is bitchin or complaining they got banned...were just tryin to figure out what drives got banned/ how firmware was detected / and why some got banned and some didnt.
So quit acting all innocent and shit like you never consider'd playing a backup! People act like modders are so stupid for doing what they do but yet half of this sites traffic (probably even more
) is based off exactly that people interested in hacking/modding their system.
Post by: amexie on May 18, 2007, 09:49:00 AM
i have not updated my hitachi with the spring update, flashed with firmware 24s im going to do it when i get home and put in original crackdown and get halo beta and leave it online see if i get banned i have never been on live yet so they should never know a backup has been in the xbox if i do they must beanle to detech firmware
Post by: Asharus on May 18, 2007, 09:53:00 AM
1. Update to Disc-jitter F/W prior to updating to spring dash
2. Use only originals or stealth-patched games
How about this?
1. Update to Disc-jitter F/W prior to updating to spring dash
2. Use only originals or stealth-patched games
Post by: willy134uk on May 18, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: Cyberlunacy on May 18, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
they can detect the firmware.
the fact that everyone has been saying "they can't detect the firmware, only the disk" has been 100% pure bullshit.
NO ONE, and i mean NO ONE but microsoft knows what they can detect.
and who the hell says they cant detect it ?
there is alot of stuff under the hood that people dont know about nor understand.
all it takes is a quick question sent to the console and a reply back for them to know if you have a modded firmware.
you think sniffing modded firmware locally or remotely is hard. gimmie a break.
i dont care what you do, Ms has designed this thing to be sniffed remotely.
firmware, eeprom, mobo firmware,
hell they could querry the drive for "have you been flashed and how many times"
the normal responce would be 1 time. (factory flashing)
but the response on a modded unit will be " 2, 3 4 or how ever many times"
that right there tells the live servers you have modded your unit and to ban you immediately.
this could also explain why non modded boxes are getting banned.
if anyone ever sent their units in for repair a reflashing of the DVD firmware could be part of the repair process. who knows, none of us know, and you know that. only Ms does.
you were warned long ago to stay off live, now its here and your getting nailed.
as for CM4E knowingly dooping us into flashing our drives with a detectable flash,, sure its possible.
what i find hilarious is that he put out this firmware with a fix for something that was 100% hearse.
someone trusted someone they shouldnt have because obviously they can detect the firmware..
Post by: gli7ch on May 18, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
The ban on the account of ANYTHING being modified, whether it be a game save, DVD Drive, and kernel versions.
The do this because of all the shit going on with Halo2.
So If someone will confirm this for me, Has anyone got banned from XBLive without playing this Halo3 Beta?
*I would check the thread, but the Sceynx Entertainment Community is quite full at the time*
Post by: Cyberlunacy on May 18, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
tons of people are getting banned and NOT playing the beta.
there are just so many people with the beta its the perfect chance for Ms to catch them.
and they realize that many people got crackdown just for the beta, and many of those are playing copied games just for the beta.
Post by: dakh on May 18, 2007, 10:17:00 AM
I have MS28 flashed with 5.3a, before the Spring Update.
Since then I have only played original games. No backups at all.
Banned.
Post by: amature on May 18, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
I have never played a backup game on LIVE.
I downloaded Halo 3 Wednesday with the Crackdown disc (original) and played Wednesday night and last night without a ban.
Perhaps they have been logging backup LIVE game playing?
I think I'll flash it back to stock before I play anymore though.
Post by: dakh on May 18, 2007, 10:20:00 AM
I have MS28 flashed with 5.3a, before the Spring Update.
Since then I have only played original games - no backups at all.
Banned.
I wonder how many 360 Elites they will sell now then? More or less than before?
Post by: X-Clusion on May 18, 2007, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Canard-WC on May 18, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
Got banned this morning :
47dj with c4e 2.4 with disc-jitter.
Downloaded and played Halo 3 beta yesterday with my Crackdown backup.
After all I was expecting this, but there's one thing that seems strange : yesterday evening I was playing Uno on live, with my crackdown DVD in the player, and I got a call from a friend who told me he just got banned... So I signed off immediately and unplugged the ethernet cable. I'm SURE that I wasn't banned at this time.
This morning, I restored my original firmware, and then connected on live but... Got banned. So, to me, this can only mean one thing : somewhere inside the firmware of the Xbox (and not the DVD) there is a routine that catchs up every single firmware change you make on the DVD player. And it seems to me that Microsoft just had to enable an "update" command, to upload this "flash-log" to the master server...
Because with my original firmware i shouldn't have been banned this morning, so it means that the console detected that I flashed the firmware once more, and told this to the master server.
This is my theory... may be wrong, but...
Well, let's just hope someone will find out more, because, to be honest, in most countries, playing backps is indeed legal (I'm in France, and you have the right to backup each of your original game, in case you damage the original)... And to play backup, you need to flash your drive, so it's not that illegal :/
Post by: Math1 on May 18, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
And you still do. Your account hasn't been canceled, just the specific console. If you use your profile on a different console and log in, your points are still there.
Post by: Danton654 on May 18, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Canard-WC @ May 18 2007, 05:25 PM)
Hi guys.
Got banned this morning :
47dj with c4e 2.4 with disc-jitter.
Downloaded and played Halo 3 beta yesterday with my Crackdown backup.
After all I was expecting this, but there's one thing that seems strange : yesterday evening I was playing Uno on live, with my crackdown DVD in the player, and I got a call from a friend who told me he just got banned... So I signed off immediately and unplugged the ethernet cable. I'm SURE that I wasn't banned at this time.
This morning, I restored my original firmware, and then connected on live but... Got banned. So, to me, this can only mean one thing : somewhere inside the firmware of the Xbox (and not the DVD) there is a routine that catchs up every single firmware change you make on the DVD player. And it seems to me that Microsoft just had to enable an "update" command, to upload this "flash-log" to the master server...
Because with my original firmware i shouldn't have been banned this morning, so it means that the console detected that I flashed the firmware once more, and told this to the master server.
This is my theory... may be wrong, but...
Well, let's just hope someone will find out more, because, to be honest, in most countries, playing backps is indeed legal (I'm in France, and you have the right to backup each of your original game, in case you damage the original)... And to play backup, you need to flash your drive, so it's not that illegal :/
That doesnt matter, theyve been tracking us for a while now, people have reported that they flashed back to orig before spring update and still go banned.
I have a Hitachi 78Fk with 1.8 jitter which I had flashed just a couple days ago (after spring update) from 1.7 to 1.8
I played a backup of crackdown (offline) for about an hour last night, went to put in a backup of R6V and it got to the UBI loading screen, not even to the multiplayer login and signed me out, banned.
Post by: TheOtherside on May 18, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
This week was the first time i'd had a backup game (crackdown) in my dvd drive on xbox live. Although I didn't did a multiplayer game.
So know my mind wonders... did any of you guys who got banned played a backup game on Xbox live in Multiplayer or such?
That might be the reason why mine isn't detected.
Post by: mrjkwik on May 18, 2007, 10:03:00 AM
Before signing on yesterday someone gave me the heads up that the banhammer had dropped, so before signing on, I flashed back to my original firmware, then signed on. Put in an original game and I was not banned.
As of lunchtime today, I'm still not banned.
Post by: Canard-WC on May 18, 2007, 10:04:00 AM
But i'm curious about the guys getting banned without having flashed their fw... there would be a glitch in th crc/eeprom dump ?
also, read earlier today that modchips seemed to be safe for the moment ? any news on that ?
Post by: Noodlez on May 18, 2007, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: bLiTz 2k on May 18, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Canard-WC @ May 18 2007, 12:25 PM)
Hi guys.
Got banned this morning :
47dj with c4e 2.4 with disc-jitter.
Downloaded and played Halo 3 beta yesterday with my Crackdown backup.
After all I was expecting this, but there's one thing that seems strange : yesterday evening I was playing Uno on live, with my crackdown DVD in the player, and I got a call from a friend who told me he just got banned... So I signed off immediately and unplugged the ethernet cable. I'm SURE that I wasn't banned at this time.
This morning, I restored my original firmware, and then connected on live but... Got banned. So, to me, this can only mean one thing : somewhere inside the firmware of the Xbox (and not the DVD) there is a routine that catchs up every single firmware change you make on the DVD player. And it seems to me that Microsoft just had to enable an "update" command, to upload this "flash-log" to the master server...
Because with my original firmware i shouldn't have been banned this morning, so it means that the console detected that I flashed the firmware once more, and told this to the master server.
This is my theory... may be wrong, but...
Well, let's just hope someone will find out more, because, to be honest, in most countries, playing backps is indeed legal (I'm in France, and you have the right to backup each of your original game, in case you damage the original)... And to play backup, you need to flash your drive, so it's not that illegal :/
Hey you do realize that it takes quite sometime to actually "get" banned on XBox Live. Its the same thing with the original Xbox. You could log in with a hacked firmware and you might not get banned anywhere from 12 hours afterwards..it doesnt mean that reflashing it was the reason...even though its possible..
As you may want to check on your laws once again. Theres many loopholes regarding "backup" games. Just because its legal to have a backup doesnt mean its legal in your country to break copy protection to do so...You may still be breaking the law.
Post by: Kinryuu on May 18, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
I had updated to 5.3d as soon as 5.3 was available. Previously, had been 5.2, 5.0, 4.2, 1.0 over the past several months. Also, since 5.0, I think, I had been reporting as ms28 even though my drive is an ms25. I did that because I remember reading somewhere that this was recommended even if you originally had ms25. Anyway....
After I applied 5.3d, I installed the Spring Update. I played backups only when physically disconnected from ethernet. Played original Gears online. Played original Crackdown online. Got a Friends & Family Halo 3 beta code back on 5/11 and removed all disks. No disks were in the drive up until today when I put in original Crackdown. Still no ban up to this point.
This morning I decided to re-flash my drive back to the original firmware and rebooted the Xbox and played a bit of original Crackdown. Not yet banned. Everything seems fine.
Right now, I'm really questioning if people that got banned really did refrain from playing backups. Because I made absolutely sure that no backups were even IN the drive while connected to the internet, and I have not yet been banned.
Post by: rick1611 on May 18, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
I'm sat on live at the moment with a modified 360 and I can still send messages and download content.
I have a hitatchi with the firmware which was availible late November 06.
I haven't put a game in yet as that might be pushing my luck but as of now all is OK.
Post by: amexie on May 18, 2007, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: Shatcore on May 18, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
Heres hoping.
Im in the UK, are the majority of banned accounts in the US? maybe they are doing it by country and Europe will get hit next (sorry if this has already been mentioned, im not reading through all 20 something pages)
Post by: vuhuyle on May 18, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
I apologize if this question is somewhat unrelated, but I'm just wondering if being banned has any effect on your ability to:
1) download trailers, or other MM content
2) stream MM files from a networked PC using dashboard
3) streaming using Media Center extender
I know that there are users out there like myself who use the Xbox 360 as a media center / game machine and don't really play many games online.. and only play backups locally.
I have a 078 modded firmware with jitter fix.
Post by: tj!2k3 on May 18, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
1.) MS is probably using a combination of methods to detect modified firmware/backups.
2.) Although there have been a couple of postings here stating that consoles with fw modded MS28 drives have been banned, the ratio of banned MS28 to non-MS28 seems pretty low.. perhaps it has something to do with that brief time window during which firmware can be read/written?
3.) I highly doubt C4E (et al) had anything to do with selling out the backup scene, but I will entertain the conspiracy theories for a brief moment:
If C4E was truly "bought" by MS and sold the backup community down the river.. well.. sure it would be f'ed up [towards us], but at the same time, think about these things:
- he did provide the community with a way to play their backups, for quite a while
- in order to keep backups playable on Live, do you think you could have offered him even a fraction of what MS would have offered him?
- what legal consequences would have been hanging over his head this whole time?
I too look forward to this recent Live development spurring the homebrew scene for the 360. While it's true that if I want emulators or media center, all I have to do is fire up any one of my original modded Xboxes, but they just don't seem to have the processing power to handle some of the hi-def/h.264 stuff.
Peace.
This post has been edited by tj!2k3: May 18 2007, 05:37 PM
Post by: rossmac on May 18, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
I don't know what I did to not get banned... Any ideas?
Post by: islam100 on May 18, 2007, 10:45:00 AM
Ok, A little twist on this Guys.
Just off the phone, And was told that there are huge problems with the servers, People being banned for nowt etc.
"The servers are being reset tomorrow (sat) and EVERYONE will be back on live"
Some guy(microsoft), made this clear to me, whilst apologising for the faults.
Post by: tj!2k3 on May 18, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(islam100 @ May 18 2007, 06:21 PM)
from another forum
Ok, A little twist on this Guys.
Just off the phone, And was told that there are huge problems with the servers, People being banned for nowt etc.
"The servers are being reset tomorrow (sat) and EVERYONE will be back on live"
Some guy(microsoft), made this clear to me, whilst apologising for the faults.
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(islam100 @ May 18 2007, 06:21 PM)
from another forum
Ok, A little twist on this Guys.
Just off the phone, And was told that there are huge problems with the servers, People being banned for nowt etc.
"The servers are being reset tomorrow (sat) and EVERYONE will be back on live"
Some guy(microsoft), made this clear to me, whilst apologising for the faults.
that's a BS lie just so the rep didn't have to deal with the guy... they've been sayign that to everybody hoping you'll forget about it nd not call back... i'll be very surprised if they reverse this all.
Post by: amature on May 18, 2007, 11:29:00 AM
I have never played a backup game online.
I have Crackdown and used it to get Halo 3.
I played Halo 3 Wednesday night and last night without any problems.
I may switch my firmware back to stock but might wait to see how things start panning out first.
Post by: frosted on May 18, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(youloseagain @ May 18 2007, 11:45 AM)
Yes we know that and no one is bitchin or complaining they got banned...were just tryin to figure out what drives got banned/ how firmware was detected / and why some got banned and some didnt.
So quit acting all innocent and shit like you never consider'd playing a backup! People act like modders are so stupid for doing what they do but yet half of this sites traffic (probably even more
) is based off exactly that people interested in hacking/modding their system.Next time can you use a bigger font please? I can't read your posts it's so tiny!
Post by: TraZer on May 18, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Shatcore @ May 18 2007, 05:57 PM)
Hitachi 47dj here, gary opa 2.3 stealth flashed before update - not banned (yet...)
Heres hoping.
Im in the UK, are the majority of banned accounts in the US? maybe they are doing it by country and Europe will get hit next (sorry if this has already been mentioned, im not reading through all 20 something pages)
I was having the same thought as you do, that maybe they are focusing on the US right now.
I have a flashed hitachi drive myself, and soo does two of my friends (I live in Sweden by the way)... we all have had our hitachi drives flashed for a good while now, played halo 3 beta as soon as we had the chance etc.
Though we did update our drives to the latest firmware yesterday just to be sure.
I have'nt been banned yet, and my friends have'nt either... either they are delaying our bans alittle or they have'nt started banning all too many in the EU yet.
Post by: sevanig on May 18, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
So u will be forced to buy a new console to play the latest games (even single player)??
Post by: Winchy on May 18, 2007, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(TraZer @ May 18 2007, 06:33 PM)
I was having the same thought as you do, that maybe they are focusing on the US right now.
I have a flashed hitachi drive myself, and soo does two of my friends (I live in Sweden by the way)... we all have had our hitachi drives flashed for a good while now, played halo 3 beta as soon as we had the chance etc.
Though we did update our drives to the latest firmware yesterday just to be sure.
I have'nt been banned yet, and my friends have'nt either... either they are delaying our bans alittle or they have'nt started banning all too many in the EU yet.
Me and my friends were banned. (UK)
Post by: pniiice on May 18, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
QUOTE(rjtd @ May 18 2007, 12:22 PM)
To the ones who were banned:
Where you playing backups at the time? Was there a backup on the DVD drive at the moment you connected to Live?
I got banned on startup, no backups were played although one was in the drive. I bet the disc ID display had something to do with it.
Post by: naoneo on May 18, 2007, 11:12:00 AM
QUOTE(islam100 @ May 18 2007, 06:21 PM)
from another forum
Ok, A little twist on this Guys.
Just off the phone, And was told that there are huge problems with the servers, People being banned for nowt etc.
"The servers are being reset tomorrow (sat) and EVERYONE will be back on live"
Some guy(microsoft), made this clear to me, whilst apologising for the faults.
to be fair when i phoned up to cancel today (in uk, but call center sounded destinctly indian >_>)
A voice message before having to wait 15 min to actually talk to someone, said "we are aware of the problems with halo 3 and are working to fix the issue as soon as possible"
probably means nothing but bleh..
Don't care if i get banned from live, barely ever used it anyway.
Clearly microsoft does not care if you pirate games or not, as long as you sign up to xbox live and buy their consoles, to them it probably means "yey we can keep charging them for a service they can't even use until.. they buy ANOTHER console from us!".
God bless xlink kai
Post by: amature on May 18, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
I have never played a backup game online.
I have Crackdown and used it to get Halo 3.
I played Halo 3 Wednesday night and last night without any problems.
I may switch my firmware back to stock but might wait to see how things start panning out first.
Post by: 0794 on May 18, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(sneekysneeky @ May 18 2007, 12:38 PM)
Got my Xbox modded like two weeks ago as a mate convinced me to do it. Admittedly played a backup of Crackdown on it a few times. I've always been a strong believer of buying games to support game devs - but on the flip side of the coin I also like to get a taste for a game before coughing up some hard earned cash on them. I know people are saying this, and others may not believe them, but if I ever played a back up game that was good then I'd buy it, hence the reason I played Crackdown. Not really interested in it, and still not to be honest. Just couldn't get into it. And now it got my arse banned. Now there's a hard lesson in life.
Well, M$ has just totally changed my outlook on this. Sure they are well within their rights to do this, but on the most part they've cut their nose off to spite their face. I mean, even if I'd started to get into this dodgy game scene big time, there would be looooooads of games that I wouldn't ever contemplate buying, but as a result of playing a backup I'd go out and buy it. Or even semi-shite games that I wouldn't buy anyway (so to me I'm not robbing anyone of money as I wouldn't buy it anyway) but I may spend cash on for the downloadable content, themes, movies, tv.....
I wont be buying another box. I'm not too bothered I've been banned. I've just been backed into a corner now and the only option I'm left with now is to start getting backups as I've nothing left to loose. I'm sure there's a few few thousand out there like me.
Well done M$ *claps*
that is why there are GAME DEMOS to try before you buy
cheating is cheating - everyone knows about the risks and repercussions of using a modded console on xbox live. sure many mod and hack for the fun and/or technological challenge with no intent of piracy. but playing on live with an illegal firmware and illegal game disc is wrong and MS can and should protect their online gaming service from such intrusions.
it will be interesting to unravel the methodology behind MS's banning this time around...
Post by: Dak0ta on May 18, 2007, 11:50:00 AM
Have not flashed FW since just after xmas.
Took Spring update - DL'd Halo 3 Demo through Crackdown backup.
Banned -while- playing Halo 3 at 5pm-ish EST yesterday.
I have been playing backups on Live all along and since the update, but just wanted to post this to throw into the bucket of theories.
Not Hitachi
Not anti-jitter fw allegedly 'tainted' by supposed 'sell-out' firmware coders.
Not 100% sure on the DMI or PFI Patch status of the Crackdown release. But as many others are mentioning I do agree the people banned have been tracked for awhile...
It was a fun ride! I'll probably get another unit to use on Live, and use my banned one to see which games are worth buying (as there aren't many).
Don't waste your Money on a PS3... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: StokolaN on May 18, 2007, 11:58:00 AM
My Japanese one has Haitachi-LG drive and the Eu one has Toshiba-Samsung. so If that has anything to do with it.
Not sure what firmware is done as i got someone to do it at the time they were flashed around december so i presume it was which ever one was the latest at that time.
Oh and to note... I did not ever play crackdown on the Japaneses console nor did i play the halo 3 beta. The console has only been on recently to update to the new dashboard.
This post has been edited by StokolaN: May 18 2007, 07:13 PM
Post by: Trune on May 18, 2007, 11:32:00 AM
If people have been banned who play thier own backups, then its not anything to do with disc ID i guess.
Post by: MickRick on May 18, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: psi88 on May 18, 2007, 12:14:00 PM
Before 8th May.
Xbox1: Was a 1.0 47 Hitachi at purchase, was flashed to Max/Garyopa 1.6 in Jan 06. Was still a 1.6 no stealth hitachi 47 not spoofed right up till the spring 07 dash update. Has only ever Flashed twice.
Xbox2: Was a 1.0 at purchase, was flashed to max/garyopa 2.3s in March 07. Was still a 2.3s hitachi 47 not spoofed right up to the spring 07 dash update. Has only ever Flashed twice.
8th - 12th May.
Xbox1: Was updated to spring 07 dash update 2 on the 10th May, 2 days before being flashed, backups were then played online as a 1.6 with spring 07 dash update. backup of crackdown was played. No multiplayer games were hosted/joined.
Xbox2: Was NOT updated to spring 07 dash. backups were played but xbox remained offline as couldnt connect to live as the dash was not up to date.. backup of crackdown was played offline.
12th -15th May
Xbox1: Flashed to commodore4eva 2.4s using DOS version on 12th May, backups played since flashing. crackdown backup was played, but no Halo beta was downloaded or attempted. Last date of playing was 15th May.
Xbox2: Flashed to commodore4eva 2.4s using DOS version on 12th May, then spring 07 updated afterwards. Backups played while logged into live, but no multiplayer games were played. Only played original of crackdown not a backup
15th -17th May .
Xbox1: Nothing played since 15th May. Xbox was turned off..
Xbox2: Originals and backups were played while logged into live was played online, no multiplayer games were played, but only played original of crackdown
17th May.
Xbox1: Turned on, could not connect to live, checked z errors and adapter info, message been banned..
Xbox2: Deleted cache on HDD prior to downloading latest crackdown patch to fix halo, started downloading halo but was so slow aborted. Played only originals since deleting cache.. Not Banned.. Z errors are still 000'sonline and offline
18th May.
Xbox1 remains banned.
Xbox2 has not been switched on to check if ban status has changed and will not be switched on until forums can prove its safe and how checks are performed.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Conclusions..
So the only differences here seems to be
Xbox1 has played a backup of crackdown since the spring update, xbox2 has only played the original disk since the update.
Xbox1 jumped the gun prematurely with the spring update before flashing from 1.6 to 2.4s. Xbox1 had the spring update applied and was then flashed 2 days later. Xbox2 was only updated after it had been flashed. Both were tested with backups and originals to check flashing had worked, but only xbox1 was online and connected to live when this first test was done.. only Xbox1 got banned (to date)
Could it be that because xbox2 was offline after it was flashed to 2.4 and backups were tested that nothing was uploaded to say a backup had been played.
The only other relevence seems to be that Xbox2 had its hdd cache cleared AFTER playing any backups and BEFORE going online on the Ban start day or with crackdown.
Could the information about firmware changes, or logs of backups played be stored on the HDD and then uploaded to live when you play a newly patched game.
Could it be that because i needed to update the crackdown patch to get the halo beta and i cleared the cache to get the crackdown patch faster, i somehow dodged the bullet
i have only played 2 originals GOW and CRACKDOWN on xbox2 since clearing the cache. did i delete some info about my backups or firmware status.
Post by: feflicker on May 18, 2007, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: sidezero on May 18, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
all backups still working, as well as halo 3 beta. i just got done playing halo 3 for about 4 hours and still clear.
wierd
***update***
my roommate just bought an xbox 2 months ago, its a toshiba-samsung ms28 with a non-jitter fw as well, it's not banned either
This post has been edited by sidezero: May 18 2007, 07:28 PM
Post by: lcprove on May 18, 2007, 11:47:00 AM
, really makes finding games take more time. It is also a little eye-opening that there are so many people "Backing up" their games. I do agree that it should be acceptable to backup your games but it should also be common sense to take care of your games. I have not had a single game (back to the days of ps1) go bad on me, not one, I take care of them (and yeah, even my PS2 never had a dirty disk error). The firmware mod was only good for one thing, backups, which of course everyone needs a "Back up" since we all allow our 3 year old kids to play with our originals. Until a true mod allowing the various software tools available on the xbox1 (which I love) comes out just don't use backups and take care of your originals. Oh, and don't move your 360 while it's turned on.
Post by: mrjoey35 on May 18, 2007, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: Midnight Tboy on May 18, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(kilroy1 @ May 18 2007, 07:06 PM)
Well, if I get banned I know exactly what I'm going to do.
Step 1 - leave house. go to Circuit City.
Step 2 - buy new Xbox 360.
Step 3 - return home.
Step 4 - unpack new Xbox 360 and set it up.
Step 5 - take banned Xbox 360 and put it in box new one came in.
Step 6 - leave home. return to Circuit City.
Step 7 - visit customer service counter. return old 360 in new box.
I've bought at least four consoles from Circuit City and they have never recorded the serial number. Even if they did, you could swap cases pretty easily.
So the console sales reports will show a spike of new sales, but after deducting returns, it should be about the same.
I think MS is doing what they think is right, but in the long run it will hurt them. They should have waited longer to get more people hooked on the downloadable media content. The 360 is much more than a game system, but banning consoles certainly puts an end to that revenue stream. In my opinion they should have just blocked backups from connecting to live. Banning the complete console is foolish.
I have flashed consoles to allow me to play backups of original games that I own. I also make backup copies of DVD movies and computer software for the same reason. My originals remain on the shelf in the closet (or safe) and if a backup gets scratched or damaged, I am only out a couple bucks for the recordable media -- not $20-$60 bucks! Of course if the software, recording industry and game publishers ever wise up someday and offer replacements for just the cost of shipping, I have no more argument or reason to make backups. .... Until that day....
trouble is there you're just openly admitting to committing fraud
sure a lot of ppl do take stuff back for exchanges and various methods for doing so but not the kinda thing you wanna be admitting to doing as it carries a prison sentence in this country. Worse than running your own 'backup'on another note - I havent updated my hitachi 78 to new firmware yet, nor have I updated the 360 with the new spring dash, so I think I'll leave it offline for the next week or 2 to see how things unfold. Not the end of the world if I am banned tho. Their loss really as I was about to renew my 12month, AND by a vision cam and some guitar hero songs
Post by: raiser on May 18, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(sneekysneeky @ May 18 2007, 05:38 PM)
... there would be looooooads of games that I wouldn't ever contemplate buying, but as a result of playing a backup I'd go out and buy it. Or even semi-shite games that I wouldn't buy anyway (so to me I'm not robbing anyone of money as I wouldn't buy it anyway) but I may spend cash on for the downloadable content, themes, movies, tv.....
FREE TRIALS
a: rent them (almost free, it's as cheap as making/buying a backup)
b: borrow from a friend
c: XBOX magazine discs (or other demo discs)
d: LIVE downloadable demos
MS tries VERY hard to have a playable downloadable demo on LIVE for every game released, and especially the major titles. Try before you buy without the "I would never buy this shite" line of thinking.
CHEAPER titles?
e: buy them as "greatest hits" (i.e. later)
f: buy them used
g: buy them on sale
h: get a better job, takes some of the sting out of $60 games.
Just a few ways to save money without getting banned.
EDIT: ALMOST FORGOT
i: http://www.cheapassgamer.com
This post has been edited by raiser: May 18 2007, 07:35 PM
Post by: DJ_Phatic on May 18, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
Just flashed them both back to their original firmware as neither have been connected in the past 2 days.
My console has been banned, my friends hasn't been banned yet. Ive played many games on my 360 including crackdown via backup whereas my friend has only played on pro evo 5. Both consoles have played on LIVE via backups and been connected to live after spring update. No Halo3 beta downloads or attempts to and crackdown hasn't been played for quite sometime.
Contacted xbox support, the person I spoke to just gave the usual to check the firewall, check with ISP etc. and did not ask about the error status code even though I insisted on giving it her. I was told to try and connect and if the problem persists to contact them tomorrow as they have been resetting the server and having server problems.
Both have been left as original firmware at the moment, obviously if my console remains banned I will return to 5.3A.
Post by: YanValentine on May 18, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
I've haven't been banned yet. Just checked a few minutes ago.
If you played backups while connected to live (not playing on live), do you think you will be ok from a ban?
Post by: Midnight Tboy on May 18, 2007, 12:04:00 PM
deliberately breaking a 360 to return however....well not sure what that would fall under
Post by: feflicker on May 18, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
QUOTE
I've haven't been banned yet. Just checked a few minutes ago.
If you played backups while connected to live (not playing on live), do you think you will be ok from a ban?
If you played backups while connected to live (not playing on live), do you think you will be ok from a ban?
That was my original question actually. The answer is "no". People have been banned who were only playing arcade, downloading demos, movies, etc. They haven't played a single disc since the Spring update. Apparently just connecting to Live is enough, you don't have to necessarily play a game on Live...
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 18, 2007, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: DJ_Phatic on May 18, 2007, 12:55:00 PM
W: 0000-0021
X: 0000-F001
Y:00AB-6820
Z: 8015-190D
On my console when I run the test it fails on xbox live but the more info doesnt say ive actually been banned, it displays an empty text box but if I view the error status code i get the same as above.
Post by: takavach on May 18, 2007, 12:56:00 PM
This post has been edited by takavach: May 18 2007, 08:00 PM
Post by: Adam19 on May 18, 2007, 12:57:00 PM
Does anyone think they could be banning by manufacturing date?
My console was manufactured at the end March 06 as well as my girlfriends - both have a 47D Hitachi drive and have been banned. Havent even touched Crackdown or Halo 3 beta even though its been confirmed pretty much that its not related.
I have 3 collegues who all have 360's manufactured after July 06 with Hitachi 59D drives - they are all still working fine on Xbox Live.
All drives have the 2.4 firmware on by C4E.
Post by: quenlin on May 18, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 18, 2007, 01:01:00 PM
I dont even play online. Mostly all i do is sign in to bring up my gamerscore, talk to people, DL demos & stream media from my PC. I've also read that MS prevents us from even streaming media from our PC's?? That's just f***d up!
Post by: willy134uk on May 18, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
is the code for being banned on xboxlive check out major nelsons site
Post by: bslygh26 on May 18, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: StokolaN on May 18, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(quenlin @ May 18 2007, 07:59 PM)
here's a question i'm not sure that's been answered. has anyone been banned that has NEVER touched crackdown, either original or backup, whatsoever?
Kind of. The console thats been banned never had the game played in it. But the hard drive had the save from my other console on it.
Post by: wildsoldier on May 18, 2007, 12:35:00 PM
any one agree?
Post by: Download_2k2 on May 18, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
becouse there no eeprom in core lol
http://www.xbox-scen...puuTdYzDcXf.php
if unbanned see if ther a eeprom
Post by: xkuco on May 18, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
ok i flashed my firmware with the new 78fk firmware but bought it new and never turned it on at all before just bought it and flashed it then turned it on and havent got banned my theory is that they have been tracking firmware and if u changed ur firmware and it detects a change in firmware even to original itll ban u thats my theory cause i noticed every that flashed there firmware to original AFTER update got banned so thats my theory
Post by: Vandiemen911 on May 18, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
Anyways what the hell do I know...just thinkin'
Post by: Shenlong on May 18, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: lucasz on May 18, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: crs on May 18, 2007, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(wildsoldier @ May 18 2007, 09:11 PM)
I think that banning consoles from live was too drastic, why instead of banning a console from live they just make something that detect backups and wont let you to play that backup on live...if you want to play on live you should have an ORIGINAL COPY ON THE DISC TRAY....thats how computer games work...if you want to play online you need an original cd key to play online...so that leads you that if you want to play a game go and buy it....Microsoft still can do that.....he can unban old people and make an update to detect backups and wont let those back ups to play online.....that will still give microsoft the oportunity to gain more money from live and fight piracy in some way.
any one agree?
That would leave the protection on the console side, making it, atleast theoretically, possible to break that protection. With the console ID ban, the protection is on Microsoft's server side, much harder to manipulate, if possible at all.
Post by: Digital_sin on May 18, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
Here's an example of a really simple plan that can evade all of the "Stealth firmware" dvd rom crap;
1)Microsoft knows that every game that will be released for the 360 will be backed up and uploaded online, and i mean EVERY GAME. so why not do this themselves? (alot of companies already tried this before like Valve with HL2, uploaded alot of copies of HL2 at release that shut down after a few levels of gameplay, they were nuked ofcourse)
2)So they release a complete and fully working game under any scene name; however, the game they release is different, it has a few lines of codes that marks every console it was played on, by maybe leaving a flag file in the HDD or uploading info to live or whatever. a special backup made specifically to catch backup users.
3)a few weeks later, do the same thing with a few other games, and then BAM. ban them all.
i wouldn't be surprised if crackdown (the name is just too ironic) was that game they released to catch modders.
banned people should be really thankful that their console wasn't bricked, it was merely banned from multiplayer online play. Online gaming with backups has never worked 100%, and probably will never work anytime soon. And honestly, i dont think it should. I really belive that online should always be exclusive to originals so people would actually have to buy some games (this is not directed to anyone who owns the originals of the backups he plays, i really feel sorry for you if you got banned. this is directed towards pirates who download every game and never paid for one)
what we need a true modchip, enough with this dvd firmware!
Post by: jdsony on May 18, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(wildsoldier @ May 18 2007, 08:11 PM)
I think that banning consoles from live was too drastic, why instead of banning a console from live they just make something that detect backups and wont let you to play that backup on live...if you want to play on live you should have an ORIGINAL COPY ON THE DISC TRAY....thats how computer games work...if you want to play online you need an original cd key to play online...so that leads you that if you want to play a game go and buy it....Microsoft still can do that.....he can unban old people and make an update to detect backups and wont let those back ups to play online.....that will still give microsoft the oportunity to gain more money from live and fight piracy in some way.
any one agree?
I agree completely. Sure there should be no tolerance for pirating but why ban people you are making money off of? I haven't been on live in over a week so I'm not sure what will happen to me (haven't even installed the spring update yet). I buy XBLA games and I was thinking about a Gold membership for games like Forza but if I'm banned then they won't be getting any of my money. I'm not the type to buy a second console for online use, I'm not a hardcore online gamer anymore.
Post by: xaser on May 18, 2007, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(noobman @ May 18 2007, 08:32 PM)
i got banned playing a downloaded burned illegal copy of crackdown with tha halo 3 beta. i was on 5.3a a sammy ms25 drive. its all good, im selling my 360 for 1000 on ebay with all my burned games, so its a 360 core AND a ps3 for me bitches!!!!!!
Thats 1000% stealing.. it cant even be remotely considered backuping... its noobs like u urself that are useless to the scene. Go download a torrent u flaming retard... posting that you are gonna sell burned games on ebay for massive profits... very mature and a sure way for ebay to ban ur account... oh and p.s if it does go through, paypal can easily take ur money back.. just a heads up u dumb kid
Post by: Hoowahman on May 18, 2007, 01:03:00 PM
Is it true you cannot download new xbox live arcade games or buy them?
Is it true you cannot play already bought xbla games that you purchased before the ban and only trials?
Can you not use media center to stream videos from PC?
Can you login under a silver account?
I just want to know what is different before and after a ban and what features are lost.
Thanks for anyone that replies!
Hoowahman
Post by: shadow300z on May 18, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(lucasz @ May 18 2007, 08:24 PM)
Did anyone banned NOT play the initial leaked copy of Crackdown? As anothe rposter asked, did anyone making copies of their own games as opposed to downloading one used by thousands of others get banned? Crackdown was released by a no-name group without the stealth information applied. Later on, a (probably bogus) stealth patch appeared. I'm wondering if Microsoft did some sort of covert-op thing by uploading a rigged copy that would report itself differently when connected to Live.
I was banned(Hitachi 47D) and I only played my original crackdown, never got around to making a backup of it, just upgraded to C4E jitter fix.
Also, I still want to say thanks for the hard work of the few(C4E, Maximus, Specialist, and all the others I don't know). Without your hard work we wouldn't be anywhere, and you keep the modding hobby alive.
Post by: bLiTz 2k on May 18, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Hoowahman @ May 18 2007, 03:39 PM)
I have seen people complain about a few things when banned besides the obvious.
Is it true you cannot download new xbox live arcade games or buy them?
Is it true you cannot play already bought xbla games that you purchased before the ban and only trials?
Can you not use media center to stream videos from PC?
Can you login under a silver account?
I just want to know what is different before and after a ban and what features are lost.
Thanks for anyone that replies!
Hoowahman
When a ban occurs all access to the Xbox Live service is denied from that console. Anything that you can do locally without being connected to XBox Live is still possible. Not really sure whats so hard to understand about that.
QUOTE(mrwhitesnor @ May 18 2007, 03:41 PM)
well every1 is getting banned.. but NO WORD .. from the modding community.. nothing.. fucking lamers..
Its people like you that make modding worthwhile...be right back while I laugh amongst myself at your stupidity..
Post by: Digital_sin on May 18, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: apw100 on May 18, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
- "Pro" system
- MS25 w/ 5.3a firmware(registered correctly as MS-25)
- The first and only time I have flashed the firmware was 1 day before the Spring Update
- I have NEVER played a backup game on my 360. I have tested a few backed up games to see if they worked, but I have never gone past the menu. Specifically, I have never played or saved a game that was on a backup disc. This makes me wonder if 360's are being banned based on some data retrieved from their hard drive or memory cards. I dunno...
Has anyone with a Core system been banned?
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 18, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
I dont even play online. Mostly all i do is sign in to bring up my gamerscore, talk to people, DL demos & stream media from my PC. I've also read that MS prevents us from even streaming media from our PC's?? That's just f***d up!
Post by: DJ_Phatic on May 18, 2007, 01:19:00 PM
W: 0000-0021
X: 0000-F001
Y:00AB-6820
Z: 8015-190D
On my console when I run the test it fails on xbox live but the more info doesnt say ive actually been banned, it displays an empty text box but if I view the error status code i get the same as above.
Post by: soundforce on May 18, 2007, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: ipodder2003 on May 18, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: jdsony on May 18, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(xaser @ May 18 2007, 08:38 PM)
Thats 1000% stealing.. it cant even be remotely considered backuping... its noobs like u urself that are useless to the scene. Go download a torrent u flaming retard... posting that you are gonna sell burned games on ebay for massive profits... very mature and a sure way for ebay to ban ur account... oh and p.s if it does go through, paypal can easily take ur money back.. just a heads up u dumb kid
I agree. People who were playing the Halo 3 beta with a pirated crackdown had it coming. The rest of us though, well, the jury is still out on that.
Post by: StokolaN on May 18, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(soundforce @ May 18 2007, 09:00 PM)
Well it's day two since the bans started and I am still able to log onto live. I posted my config on page 7 of this thread. I had a thought though. I have 1200 microsoft points that I haven't spent yet. They have been on there for a few monts now. Maybe microsoft is waiting for me to use them before they ban me because you better belive I would be requesting a refund. Has anyone been banned that had points saved on thier box because I haven' read anything about it yet. 31 pages is a lot to read through so maybe I missed it somewhere.
Well seen as the points are linked to your Gamertag and not your Console they wouldn't have to refund seen as there not banning your account just the console. if you had an unmodified console you would still be able to use the points
Post by: sWampyone on May 18, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
I just can't understand that for such a big company how can Microsoft be so stupid. Don't ban people, give developers the libraries to detect copies, stop future copies from working, and continue to sell games/content to people who bought real games. If they can't think of any other way, put 25 digit keys in with the packages and check those when you go online, if the key is long enough it won't get broken in the life of the xbox 360. It's not like games have a life time of more than a few months anyway, 3 months after release you can't find a match on live 90% of the time. Maybe something like halo/gow will be a round for a while, but even those, get stale after a short time without new maps they they could/do sell through live that can't be copied.
As a parent with a 4 and a 6 year old it will be many years before I will own a device that uses disc media that can't play copies. My kids never pretty much don't know what an original game/movie looks like, except for the close to 3000 original movies/games sitting on shelves around the house that they aren't allowed to touch.
Post by: shadow300z on May 18, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(soundforce @ May 18 2007, 09:00 PM)
Well it's day two since the bans started and I am still able to log onto live. I posted my config on page 7 of this thread. I had a thought though. I have 1200 microsoft points that I haven't spent yet. They have been on there for a few monts now. Maybe microsoft is waiting for me to use them before they ban me because you better belive I would be requesting a refund. Has anyone been banned that had points saved on thier box because I haven' read anything about it yet. 31 pages is a lot to read through so maybe I missed it somewhere.
I had a lot of points and got banned. Your account is not banned though, so you don't lose your points or anything.
Post by: Nytemunkey on May 18, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
And believe me they would much rather have the pirates gone for good rather than allow them to stay because they pay. If you think that banning pirates will hurt MS or the industry more than letting you freeload then you are on some serious mind altering drugs....
You really think the multi billion dollar company MS didnt think of losses and gains from banning these people? So you think some 16 year old kid in a modding community is right saying MS will be brought to its knees by banning? please....
Sure I have a modded xbox1 but I still have to chuckle a little about this move by MS. I think it sucks for you guys but I am not one bit sympathetic.
Post by: xboxerman on May 18, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
1. I flashed my hitachi 47 with garyopa 2.3 stealth last year when it first came out.
2. I never played a backup on live in multiplayer, only single player games.
3. The only games I ever played on live were Halo 2 original and Guitar Hero 2 original.
4. I always left my network cable plugged in as I only played originals on live.
5. I disconnected my box 2 days before the spring update and never received it.
6. All backups that I have are mine and not from the internet.
My question. Will I get banned if I flash back to the original firmware before updating to the spring update?
I think that the spring update includes the necessary code to detect and ban, not any previous updates.
No one has answered this question or tested this scenario from what I've read in this long discussion.
Let me know what you think.
Post by: Dracuger on May 18, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
Ok now that thats outta the way. let me just add my 2 cents about this whole banning thing. i JUST got a 12 month xbox live Vision Gold Pack, i waited a few days after the spring update to buy it to see what happened... tricky lil $hits they are... anyways to my point, i lost my 12 months and 200 ms points... so M$ got about $70 outta me, but i'm not gonna beat my self up over it... yeah i feel cheated (lol ok maybe not) but hey its their right i guess, i'll just download the latest cracked version of Vista Pro and call it even. or wait lets add this up
What M$ ripped me out of:
$70 from me for 12-months vision pack.
What i ripped off M$:
Windows XP Pro - $450 ( i think)
20 Xbox Games - $1,200
M$ Office 2007 - $400ish
and i'm sure sooo much more!
yeah i think M$ got the short end of the deal, and i was almost starting to feel bad and was gonna buy 4000MS points to pay them back a little bit, i was even planning on buying Vista original, but yeah, screw them... i'll never pay for what i can get for free from M$ and when i have kids i'll teach them the same way... i have no pity for them anymore... even if it was their right... they will never make a cent outta me...
Post by: Monkey Bread on May 18, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: mungus on May 18, 2007, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(xkuco @ May 18 2007, 08:12 PM)
ok i think i found out what it was and found a relation on this banning here is my theory:
ok i flashed my firmware with the new 78fk firmware but bought it new and never turned it on at all before just bought it and flashed it then turned it on and havent got banned my theory is that they have been tracking firmware and if u changed ur firmware and it detects a change in firmware even to original itll ban u thats my theory cause i noticed every that flashed there firmware to original AFTER update got banned so thats my theory
I am kinda thinking the same thing. I have the 078fk. Flashed before going online for the first time. I never flashed it again. I am currently not banned. Fingers crossed. I have notice the same thing lots of people getting banned after flashing back and forth. FWIW
BTW the people who think they are Jesus Christ of Nazareth for not flashing their drives stay the fuck out of this thread. We don't give a shit what you have to say.
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 18, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
I have connected to XBox Live on my modded 360 a ton of times, from downloading arcade games to playing them. However, I have never, ever, ever played a 360 game online, whether it be a backup or original copy. I was just never interested. Does that mean I am banned? I am too paranoid to turn on my system to find out.
Maybe someone in a similar situation knows. Again, I have played backups, yes, but never ever connected to a live internet game with a 360 game, just stuff like UMK3 on arcade.
Anyone know?
Post by: bLiTz 2k on May 18, 2007, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(wertt @ May 18 2007, 03:52 PM)
haven't downloaded a single torrent (only played a handful of legit backups) and i'm banned. i swear microsoft is going to take a much bigger hit in marketplace sales than they could possibly gain from cutting losses elsewhere.
Re-check the finer points of the law. Theres no such thing as a "legit" backup. Anytime you create and play a copied game, (even if you own the original), you are breaking copy protection to do so and thats very much illegal in this country. Isnt that a fun fact?
Post by: zoh13 on May 18, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
If i buy a new unmodded core 360 and install my HDD on it and use original CDs will i get banned too?
I don't want to loose my account and saves and downloads and the 800MS points that i have
plus my friends list and the two months membership that i got left (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
someone answer my question plz
I belive that havin 2 xboxs one for playin online and one for playin pirated copies offline is the best solution for the most of us.
Take care guys
Post by: vuhuyle on May 18, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(zoh13 @ May 18 2007, 09:56 PM)
I have a question guys...
If i buy a new unmodded core 360 and install my HDD on it and use original CDs will i get banned too?
I don't want to loose my account and saves and downloads and the 800MS points that i have
plus my friends list and the two months membership that i got left
someone answer my question plz
I belive that havin 2 xboxs one for playin online and one for playin pirated copies offline is the best solution for the most of us.
Take care guys
Please read through all the threads as much as possible. M$ is only disabling your particular 360 from connecting to live... your account and all of it's info is still active and available from an unmodded 360.
QUOTE(zoh13 @ May 18 2007, 09:56 PM)
I have a question guys...
If i buy a new unmodded core 360 and install my HDD on it and use original CDs will i get banned too?
I don't want to loose my account and saves and downloads and the 800MS points that i have
plus my friends list and the two months membership that i got left
someone answer my question plz
I belive that havin 2 xboxs one for playin online and one for playin pirated copies offline is the best solution for the most of us.
Take care guys
Please read through all the threads as much as possible. M$ is only disabling your particular 360 from connecting to live... your account and all of it's info is still active and available from an unmodded 360.
Post by: apw100 on May 18, 2007, 02:34:00 PM
All the people who are spitting fire over being banned, and saying that they will never buy a M$ product again are being whiny little brats. YOU KNEW THE RISKS, blame yourself, not MS. So what if you go to Sony- I'm sure M$ would be delighted to have you attempt to pirate the competition's games instead of their's. Also, do you think Sony wouldn't have done the same thing as MS? And if it ever becomes a problem on the PS3(probably wont because of Blu-ray), you can be damn sure that they will.
I never thought I'd be supporting MS, but they are in the right here. They lived up to their end of the bargain- providing a great system, great games, and a great online service. So if you played with fire and got burned, blame only yourself.
Post by: quenlin on May 18, 2007, 03:11:00 PM
at least the thieving people are what they are. they're here, they're stealing and they're honest about it and they don't give a shit what you think. they also seem to be the people least likely to whine about being banned. they played the game, took the risk, got caught, and accepted the punishment.
but am i the only one who finds the legit backup people tiresome? yes, i know you have fair use rights and blah blah blah, but i've been reading about this shit for years and years with these people who seem to think that their original disc is made out of tissue paper and everything must be backed up immediately because if it gets even a spec of dust on it it will be rendered unusable and irreplaceable.
1 - in the two decades that i've been handling discs of all types, i cannot remember even a single instance where i managed to scratch a disc so badly that i could not use it anymore. i've either been unbelievably lucky, or i'm actually handling and storing them correctly.
2 - to all those parents out there, no, your small child should not have access to anything that they have the potential to destroy. if you don't think they can care for it, teach them to care for it. if you don't think you can teach them to care for it, either keep it from them until they can or don't have kids. your choice. when you go out to buy a couch, and you bring it home, you can't 'back up' your couch, can you? what do you do then? allow your kids to destroy it? no, of course not.
Post by: impimpin206 on May 18, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(zoh13 @ May 18 2007, 09:56 PM)
I have a question guys...
If i buy a new unmodded core 360 and install my HDD on it and use original CDs will i get banned too?
I don't want to loose my account and saves and downloads and the 800MS points that i have
plus my friends list and the two months membership that i got left
someone answer my question plz
I belive that havin 2 xboxs one for playin online and one for playin pirated copies offline is the best solution for the most of us.
Take care guys
Your Live ACCOUNT is not affected. The modified console however is finished. If you plug your hard drive into a brand new stock console, you can still use your account and points.
Post by: Magixx on May 18, 2007, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: bigmac_375 on May 18, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
BANNEDms28
flashed with orig firmware today
before that, flashed with 5.3a before spring update
before the 5.3a was 5.2c
i pulled out my ethernet after hearing the news around 5:30-6:00 East PM on May 17th, 2007 (the day which will live in infamy)
just flashed back to orig firmware, checked, banned. ok, i will flash back and continue to play my backups on Xlink.
might get another xbox 360, when halo 3 comes out.
Post by: mslash on May 18, 2007, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(bigmac_375 @ May 18 2007, 05:20 PM)
as of 30 mins ago: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) BANNED
ms28
flashed with orig firmware today
before that, flashed with 5.3a before spring update
before the 5.3a was 5.2c
i pulled out my ethernet after hearing the news around 5:30-6:00 East PM on May 17th, 2007 (the day which will live in infamy)
just flashed back to orig firmware, checked, banned. ok, i will flash back and continue to play my backups on Xlink. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
might get another xbox 360, when halo 3 comes out.
how does that xlink work any friends list or anything like or are you just plaing random people?
Post by: thor99 on May 18, 2007, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: R.MnTnA on May 18, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Magixx @ May 18 2007, 05:17 PM)
Well I haven't played my 360 in like 2 month and doubt I did any updates. I have a ms25 drive flashed with xtreme 5.3 Loudass version and was wondering what my chances were of getting banned since people reported that even when they flashed back they still got banned. Also I have 2 other xbox360 motherboards and was wondering if i could replace the eeprom with those onto mine or atleast make a switch?
I'm in the same situation as you Magixx. I haven't had my 360 online for about 3 months, except I don't have other motherboards to try out anything. Also how ironic I just canceled my gold acct. Wed. cause I hardly play online anymore. I am not going to try to plug this thing in until there is a definite hack around this mess. Might be worth some money some day
Do you think you can get banned even having a silver acct and just downloading movies and live stuff?
Post by: leerob695 on May 18, 2007, 03:46:00 PM
as for the ban we new it was coming i cant complain i have had my moneys worth out of it
shame ill never get the host a 16 player match on rainbow 6 now though lol
Thanks mr gates this copy of windows i downloaded for free rocks!!!!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
ps due to things happening beyond my control anybody want to buy a wireless headset and live vision cam very very cheap lol (offer is only available to owners with flashed firmware)
This post has been edited by leerob695: May 18 2007, 10:54 PM
Post by: nuke field ET on May 18, 2007, 03:46:00 PM
Some people are claiming that they've been banned without even putting in a backup disc, while they still have the modded firmware. So far I've seen people banned only while trying to actually play the games online, backup or not. On the flip side, some people are claiming they can still play backups and haven't been banned yet. The reason for this? Well, guess what we didn't consider... If people have either the blaster 360 installed, if they have a mod chip installed, or if they flashed their firmware via the home-made method, without any extra hardware accessories (for lack of a better term for that). So, depending on what type of consoles are being banned, I think we can figure this out rather easily...
Also seems like for some reason, everyone with a 78fk hasn't been banned yet. Maybe because of the exclusive "rolling code" in the 78fk firmware? I was still signed online 10 hours after the bannings happened, and never disconnected, and I have a 78fk as well. But, I have a blaster installed with modded firmware. Also, I was just signed into the dashboard; I didn't try to play a game online. Haven't checked back to see if I'm banned yet; too afraid to...
So far, from reading the results of people's previous bans, these are obvious:
1) halo 3 beta / crackdown backup is totally irrelevant of the bans, as people that never even played backup copies nor downloaded halo 3 beta are still getting banned
2) along the same lines, playing actual backup copies are not the cause of the bans, either
What I'll eventually do is flash back to original firmware, uninstall the blaster, and pop in an original and see if I'm still able to get online or not. If not, then apparently it was inevitable for me anyway.
For everyone that has been banned, try including more details about your console, such as:
1) Any extra hardware accessories (i.e. blaster360, globe360 mod chip, etc.), if any, on your console when it was banned
2)If and when you flashed back to your original firmware
3) drive version
4) modded firmware version
And for those that haven't been banned yet and are still able to play online, throw in these details as well to help the rest of the community put this huge banning fiasco puzzle together.
Post by: Adam19 on May 18, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(bLiTz 2k @ May 18 2007, 04:52 PM)
Re-check the finer points of the law. Theres no such thing as a "legit" backup. Anytime you create and play a copied game, (even if you own the original), you are breaking copy protection to do so and thats very much illegal in this country. Isnt that a fun fact?
when did this happen?
i thought the fair use act (or what ever that Bill Clinton law was) allowed for one back up of any media that you own?
Post by: Probizzle on May 18, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: STICKY_BUD on May 18, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxerman @ May 18 2007, 01:22 PM)
OK here is my situation...
1. I flashed my hitachi 47 with garyopa 2.3 stealth last year when it first came out.
2. I never played a backup on live in multiplayer, only single player games.
3. The only games I ever played on live were Halo 2 original and Guitar Hero 2 original.
4. I always left my network cable plugged in as I only played originals on live.
5. I disconnected my box 2 days before the spring update and never received it.
6. All backups that I have are mine and not from the internet.
My question. Will I get banned if I flash back to the original firmware before updating to the spring update?
I think that the spring update includes the necessary code to detect and ban, not any previous updates.
No one has answered this question or tested this scenario from what I've read in this long discussion.
Let me know what you think.
i did that and seem to be in a similar boat, but i have not been banned yet...
* my console is not banned as of 3pm pst
* after the halo3 beta was fixed for crackdown on wednesday, i restored the original firmware, downloaded spring update and then crackdown update
* since mid-april, i have only played online with original gamediscs
* i swapped drives in this console in early april to test if the swap drive was working well or not; i tested backups and original games for at least 2-3 hours(automatically signed in, but did not play against other players)
* last time i played a backup against other players on live was sometime in march 2007 - i do not play or use scene releases
* have had at least 4 flashed drives in this console and none were ever spoofed
* console from february 2006 - flashed firmware since may 2006
Post by: jamminj606 on May 18, 2007, 04:03:00 PM
After a red ring trade in (my 2nd dead system, go M$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) before the spring update I went with 5.3D on a MS28 before even plugging the system in. Its only been on live with this firmware and i have since updated to the spring update and downloaded/played the halo3 beta through a Backup Crackdown.
Hopefully we can figure out the specifics on the bannings. Ill update this post if i get banned soon.
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(thor99 @ May 18 2007, 10:43 PM)
Well not sure if this helps. Im using a core w/ a Hitachi v59. w/ C4s Extreme Hitachi v2.4 Stealth w/Disk jitter. My premium died about 3 days before spring update, replaced it with a core and just added my existing 20gig HD, flashed and did spring update. Have been playing on it ever since with no issues. I have a silver acc. I do have crackdown game saves on my HD from my premium but have not played it in weeks. And have not played games on live, but I have downloaded game demos, not Halo3 beta, but others, downloading right now and have not been banned yet.
this confirms my theory that M$ realised that they could not detect the new jitter FW so they decided to pull the trigger while they still could and instill fear in everybody so nobody would mod a virgin console direct to jitter.
Post by: mslash on May 18, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
1. I went on XBL with my original 360 and original FW first (Ms logged my system with that firware code) mode test = 1:1
2. Then i went on XBL again with my FW mod maximus 2.3 (MS logged my same system but this time appeared with a new FW code raising the RED flag) mode test = 1:2
3. Then went on XBL again with my updated FW 2.4 (now this one sytem has been logged in the test with three different FW's) mode test = 1:3
4. All my friends who brought their 360's and modded them straight out of the box before ever going on XBL and never updated or never went back to the original FW are yet to be banned (maybe because for their first time ever going on line their FW reading is the same as it has always been and no changes made so no need to flag it because the FW is stealth anyway) mode test = 1:1
just my theory has anyone that has brought a 360 brand new straight out of the box FW modded it and then went on XBL without ever changing it again and been banned??? my friends have not been banned yet (they are playing Halo3 beta right now with a backup of crackdown)! A mode test is a very easy test to run especially with "stealth FW" but if there are numerous changes than maybe that hinted MS to warrent a ban
This post has been edited by mslash: May 18 2007, 11:12 PM
Post by: speedymmx on May 18, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
Sammy-ms28
Flashed with X5.2a before spring update.
Last back up played online: gears of war yesterday.
Located in Canada.
XBOX 360 MFG date: 09-12-06
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(nuke field ET @ May 18 2007, 10:46 PM)
I just thought of something.
Some people are claiming that they've been banned without even putting in a backup disc, while they still have the modded firmware. So far I've seen people banned only while trying to actually play the games online, backup or not. On the flip side, some people are claiming they can still play backups and haven't been banned yet. The reason for this? Well, guess what we didn't consider... If people have either the blaster 360 installed, if they have a mod chip installed, or if they flashed their firmware via the home-made method, without any extra hardware accessories (for lack of a better term for that). So, depending on what type of consoles are being banned, I think we can figure this out rather easily...
Also seems like for some reason, everyone with a 78fk hasn't been banned yet. Maybe because of the exclusive "rolling code" in the 78fk firmware? I was still signed online 10 hours after the bannings happened, and never disconnected, and I have a 78fk as well. But, I have a blaster installed with modded firmware. Also, I was just signed into the dashboard; I didn't try to play a game online. Haven't checked back to see if I'm banned yet; too afraid to...
So far, from reading the results of people's previous bans, these are obvious:
1) halo 3 beta / crackdown backup is totally irrelevant of the bans, as people that never even played backup copies nor downloaded halo 3 beta are still getting banned
2) along the same lines, playing actual backup copies are not the cause of the bans, either
What I'll eventually do is flash back to original firmware, uninstall the blaster, and pop in an original and see if I'm still able to get online or not. If not, then apparently it was inevitable for me anyway.
For everyone that has been banned, try including more details about your console, such as:
1) Any extra hardware accessories (i.e. blaster360, globe360 mod chip, etc.), if any, on your console when it was banned
2)If and when you flashed back to your original firmware
3) drive version
4) modded firmware version
And for those that haven't been banned yet and are still able to play online, throw in these details as well to help the rest of the community put this huge banning fiasco puzzle together.
i have a 78FK and i was banned... another theory out the window (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: sncboom2k on May 18, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
NME 1.2 with orginal (never flashed) firmware was still working this morning. He left it connected to Live all night. My buddy is just bighting his nails off in suspense. Guess I should tell him to put a backup in and connect to live and let it run for a day or so. Will post back when I know more.
He bought my old box off of me so I could buy the new platinum - which has never been modded in any way.
So I don't think I have anything to worry about there.
Still no word on modchips though - everything seems to be flashed firmwares.
Not sure I buy into this "MS is unbanning accounts & the recording on their phone stating they are aware of the issue and everyone will be back on soon." Sounds like crap to me.
Banned = Banned = Screwed = Banned
Unfortunately,
Sncboom2k
Post by: IMADV8 on May 18, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 18 2007, 05:56 PM)
when did this happen?
i thought the fair use act (or what ever that Bill Clinton law was) allowed for one back up of any media that you own?
The DMCA makes it illegal to bypass any copy protection mechanism. I think Clinton signed off on it in 2000, not sure.
Post by: Scriber on May 18, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
I have a ms28 Xbox360 with a Blaster360 and havent been banned..yet (and I stopped going on live until all this mess is figured out)
Has any1 with a Blaster360 or a mod chip been banned?
Post by: nuke field ET on May 18, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(T3rry @ May 18 2007, 04:08 PM)
i have a 78FK and i was banned... another theory out the window (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the input; one more step to narrowing it down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If you visit the xbox forums, you'll see a shit ton of people complaining that they've been banned but never even thought to open/modify their console... just a little interesting side note to throw in there.
Post by: ezmoney on May 18, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
As of 6:10 pm est still no ban. Running a ms28 drive with xtreme 5.3 which I updated to before spring update. Played the halo 3 beta , original and backups with no problems yet manufacture date of october '06
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
QUOTE(nuke field ET @ May 18 2007, 11:13 PM)
Thanks for the input; one more step to narrowing it down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If you visit the xbox forums, you'll see a shit ton of people complaining that they've been banned but never even thought to open/modify their console... just a little interesting side note to throw in there.
that's most likely "refurbs" that they sent out to people as a relacement for their 3rl and the never though to check the FW, or it was flashed and flashed back before returning it to MS.
Post by: keystroke on May 18, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: T3rry on May 18, 2007, 04:25:00 PM
QUOTE(keystroke @ May 18 2007, 11:21 PM)
I haven't been on LIVE since February with my Hitatchi 47 drive with GaryOPA 2.1, will I be okay? considering it's been months since I've been on live if i flash back to original firmware I should be sweet right?
nope, you'll be banned.
Post by: justanothermember on May 18, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
both in the uk!
i have a samsung ms25 spoofed to read as a hitachi 59 (updated to jitter fix before ever being online)
my friends is a hitachi 59 with the last hitachi fw before jitter fix also never been on live before flash
both consoles were made 05/2006
i have a scene release of crackdown and have also played halo 3 beta , couldnt resist, ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i feel dirty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
played many games online and not had a problem............yet!
i make no excuses! i DO expect to be banned (not being would be awesome) but nevertheless expect to be but i only have myself to blame, no whining or foaming at the mouth from me......oh no....... i got to play halo 3 before it happens so yeah, bring it on M$, i stand here looking up at your banhammer with a smile on my face and a single finger salute on each hand! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
God bless all things Halo!!
and to the people whining, thinking that we were sold out by the hacked fw creators.........where would you be without them? they brought you this far, have faith, they never expected anything from us and we should not EXPECT anything from them.
whatever they give us is a blessing, respect them..............just be thankful offline backups work still!
Post by: Caboose87 on May 18, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 18 2007, 06:05 PM)
after talking to some friends im beginning to think their is some means to this madness. MS might have a system log which keeps track of your system and its FW. Its called a mode test.
1. I went on XBL with my original 360 and original FW first (Ms logged my system with that firware code) mode test = 1:1
2. Then i went on XBL again with my FW mod maximus 2.3 (MS logged my same system but this time appeared with a new FW code raising the RED flag) mode test = 1:2
3. Then went on XBL again with my updated FW 2.4 (now this one sytem has been logged in the test with three different FW's) mode test = 1:3
4. All my friends who brought their 360's and modded them straight out of the box before ever going on XBL and never updated or never went back to the original FW are yet to be banned (maybe because for their first time ever going on line their FW reading is the same as it has always been and no changes made so no need to flag it because the FW is stealth anyway) mode test = 1:1
just my theory has anyone that has brought a 360 brand new straight out of the box FW modded it and then went on XBL without ever changing it again and been banned??? my friends have not been banned yet (they are playing Halo3 beta right now with a backup of crackdown)! A mode test is a very easy test to run especially with "stealth FW" but if there are numerous changes than maybe that hinted MS to warrent a ban
This is the same as the "marriage theory" with the original Xbox. Remember the hard drives and the eeproms? I don't think that this is a valid theory if we take into account the people who say they have been banned even though they have never opened their xbox 360.
Post by: Dracuger on May 18, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(mslash @ May 19 2007, 01:05 AM)
just my theory has anyone that has brought a 360 brand new straight out of the box FW modded it and then went on XBL without ever changing it again and been banned??? my friends have not been banned yet (they are playing Halo3 beta right now with a backup of crackdown)! A mode test is a very easy test to run especially with "stealth FW" but if there are numerous changes than maybe that hinted MS to warrent a ban
I got my xbox in Sept 2006 modded from the game shop i got it from, never took it online till April, and never changed the firmware of my Hitachi-LG drive again after that, and i was banned almost 20hours ago now. i was mid through downloading Halo 3 demo when i got ban
Post by: Rockway on May 18, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
FLASHED FIRMWARE: week before the spring update
UPDATED: day of the update
DRIVE: SAMSUNG MS25
FIRMWARE: 5.2 (i dont know which speed)
CRACK DOWN/ HALO 3: NOP.
And yes, I have been playing backups since BEFORE the update till now xD
Post by: swissjay on May 18, 2007, 04:36:00 PM
Of course placing the HDD in another 360 will work (by design), I'm guessing they ban the MAC-address of your 360, that's the one thing you can't just switch out without replacing the whole motherboard. And even if you could change the MAC adress by flashing some ROM, I'm guessing that you still would get banned because the 360's own serial number would match the MAC in the MS database?
If they used the same algo as with XBOX1, modding a new box out of the box might work, but you will never be able to modify the FW after going on LIVE the 1st time because from then on, your box has been added to the LIVE database with the hardware info that's current at that moment.
I'm just throwing out guesses, but somehow all this seems familiar from XBOX1. So please, don't start yelling at me ;-)
Someone will figure it out for sure, but a box once banned is probably banned for good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: kniceguy on May 18, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
I have 2 consoles. One Premi one Core. Both modded. Only one is showing up banned (as of last night 9pm PST)
Prem: born Mar. ??, 2006
MS25 - reporting as MS25
Using 5.3c
Spring Dash
no addons (blaster, etc)
Updated to 5.3 before getting Dash update. Haven NOT played Crackdown but have played backups since the update. Last night turned it on (with backup of Oblivion in drive) and found myself BANNED.
Core: born Sep ??, 2006
MS28 - reporting as MS28
Using 5.2c
Spring Dash
no addons
Updated at the same time as above, didn't update firmware as a test. Played a backup of Gears ONCE on the 13th. while logged in to LIVE. Not banned (YET!)
I used my account on a memory card last night to burn up my last 1000 MS points and turned it off, disconnected the LAN and told my wife NOT to turn it on. Gonna wait for some feedback here. java script:emoticon(':rolleyes:', 'smid_19')
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Observation: We need more information on Core vs. Premi here. After reading all the posts I see nothing conclusive yet. Anyone found anything on this?
Post by: House of EL on May 18, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(mungus @ May 18 2007, 09:40 PM)
BTW the people who think they are Jesus Christ of Nazareth for not flashing their drives stay the fuck out of this thread. We don't give a shit what you have to say.
Funniest thing I've heard all day. Seriously, the righteous can keep their opinons to themselves. On the same note, people who have modded can't be whining. We knew it was going to happen....
From what I've read, this banning is not limited to the following:
1. Playing crackdown - people who have not played this have reported being banned.
2. Not updating firmware - people who have updated have been banned.
3. Updating firmware - people who haven't updated since 06 have been banned.
4. Playing copied games - I read on a thread (maybe this one) that someone who had modded firmware, but had never played a copied game was banned.
5. People with Hitachi drives - People with sammy's are getting banned.
6. People who don't have MS points on their account - People with credit have been banned.
7. Playing copies that were dl'ed - People who burned their games and used only those have been banned.
The one common trait in each of these scenarios is that these 360's all have modded firmware. I think it is a simple as MS finding a way to detect modded FW. At least this is how it appears at this point.
If anyone has more to add to this list, copy it and add in later post. this way we can get things slightly more structured.
On a side note, I have a friend who has his 360 on live, modded, but hasn't been banned yet, It has a newer manufacturing date (post July 06). Someone mentioned that maybe MS is banning according to manufacturing date. Interesting theory...
Post by: ob110k on May 18, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Sammy MS21 (with an MS25 sicker on top) reporting as a MS28 with xtreme 5.0b
Updated before the Spring update.
I don't play games online with this one and haven't (I use an un-modded 360 for online gaming - this ones just for seeing if new games are shite and used as a Media Extender), but Live still works and I am not banned on this modded box.
I actually went online a few hours ago and I needed the latest update.
I was forced to update, rebooted, and Marketplace / Live arcade work fine on-line.
I do admit to not use this box often... and as I said, never played any game backup online with it. I'm not that greedy...
Post by: roguesn1per on May 18, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
Take this into acount.
I havnt Seen Anyone with a Core System Banned....Only premium.
Please oh please be true,
Anyone banned And had a Core Please Post so this theory Can Be bundled Away Like every other theory..
Post by: ydgmms on May 18, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
QUOTE(IMADV8 @ May 18 2007, 05:12 PM)
The DMCA makes it illegal to bypass any copy protection mechanism. I think Clinton signed off on it in 2000, not sure.
Yup. I couldn't care less who went down on Bill and when.....
But that legislation will forever cause me to hate him...
Post by: ob110k on May 18, 2007, 04:54:00 PM
I have not been banned and use a core.... I failed to mention that above in my post... who noticed that!?!? good job....
Post by: nuke field ET on May 18, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
QUOTE(roguesn1per @ May 18 2007, 04:48 PM) 
Ok ive read this thread for the 35 pages now......
Take this into acount.
I havnt Seen Anyone with a Core System Banned....Only premium.
Please oh please be true,
Anyone banned And had a Core Please Post so this theory Can Be bundled Away Like every other theory..
maybe because the percentage of people with cores is about the same as the percentage of you finding a 4 leaf clover.
although that's another possibility as well; not discrediting it.
Post by: crapone on May 18, 2007, 04:20:00 PM
I think my data contradicts everyone tho, since I have a Hitachi drive... hopefully it'll help you guys figure stuff out
Drive: Hitachi 59
Drive Firmware: Maximus-Garyopa v2.3 Stealth, installed before the Firmware Update (April 10th)
Firmware Update: sometime last week (5/10)? was disconnected from Live before then but connected ever since
Crackdown/Halo 3: I had a saved game of Crackdown, but I didn't try downloading the Halo 3 beta.. promptly deleted it before trying after reading this thread
Playing backups on Live: not really... I played Spider-man 3 single-player game (backup) while connected, but no multiplayer backups on Live! I DID play download Catan while SP3 was in the drive though
How do you check the XYZ status? I know it's posted somewhere, but I started searching/weeding through 40 pages and got tired (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
Post by: unkempt on May 18, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: Caboose87 on May 18, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: outernationalist on May 18, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
I have a launch date 360 with LG drive.
Installed NME chip (not sure what version but early one).
Downloaded spring update but haven't played any backups sice then.
Got banned over 24 hours ago.
Just wanted to let you know that modchips are not immune to bans.
Post by: FatBlueFish on May 18, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
Have I missed something?
Post by: TrailerUK on May 18, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
QUOTE(roguesn1per @ May 18 2007, 11:48 PM)
Ok ive read this thread for the 35 pages now......
Take this into acount.
I havnt Seen Anyone with a Core System Banned....Only premium.
Please oh please be true,
Anyone banned And had a Core Please Post so this theory Can Be bundled Away Like every other theory..
I have a core, with 5.3 spoofed as a MS-25 and im banned
Post by: tankertux on May 18, 2007, 04:24:00 PM
MS28 with 5.3a flashed BEFORE I got the spring update.
Had played Spiderman 3 backup WHILE CONNECTED to LIVE shortly after the bannings began (about 2 hours).
Haven't played a backup on LIVE multiplayer since I've gotten the Spring Update.
Have played GoW original on LIVE several times since bannings began (still with Xtreme 5.3a).
= Have not been banned as of RIGHT NOW (5:45 PM CST)
A precaution I have been taking since learning of the bannings: I do not allow the Xbox to connect to LIVE while playing backups.
Just to throw my 2 cents into the argument FOR backups: I spent a year serving in Iraq (got back May '06), and yes, a lot of soldiers do take consoles with them overseas (TVs are easy to buy at BX/PX and consoles are cheaper than laptops). I took my Xbox1 overseas with my library of backups and was really glad I didn't bring originals because the sand/dust ate the backups up. That said, we didn't have LIVE to worry about either! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Dracuger on May 18, 2007, 04:25:00 PM
premium ARE being banned we know that,
But anyone have a Core System?
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(FatBlueFish @ May 18 2007, 11:59 PM)
24 hours & 35 pages and I'm still to see someone with a Samsung MS28 with Xtreme 5.2x firmware get banned!
Have I missed something?
Might be something to this. I've got MS25 with 5.2d and I have yet to be banned.
Post by: GARRYB on May 18, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: ob110k on May 18, 2007, 04:31:00 PM
"Some 360's also have a small flash chip near the CPU, as seen in these pictures:"http://www.free60.org/wiki/Flash
They used to think that Cores didn't have this chip whearas Premiums did... especially in the 1st year... just adding fuel to the fire...
Post by: ka-b00m on May 18, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
Just wondering about a couple of things
Did everyone in here banned flashed the ODD drive with original firmware before getting the updates for the 360? I mean all the updates including the Spring Update?
Did everyone in here banned updated to the spring update with modded firmware?
Did everyone in here banned in fact only/always played on Live with backup/copy games?
Post by: apw100 on May 18, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Caboose87 @ May 18 2007, 11:57 PM)
Core or Premium -- It doesn't matter. They both have the same hardware, the only thing that is different is one has a shiny DVD bezel and the other looks like the rest of the Xbox 360. Besides, it would be retarded to ban just Premium people, since there are a lot of Cores out there as well.
Umm... the Core doesn't have a hard drive! That could be a key as to why the Cores don't seem to be banned. Maybe MS is using the hard drive on the Premiums to record information about the console's use(both online and offline). Since the Core's don't have a hard drive, this would explain why they haven't been banned.
Post by: LesserEvil on May 18, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
This thread has become pointless and useless.
Too many liars, too many ranters.
First off, to the ranters, Let it be said once, then drop it. Moralizing is all fine and dandy, but save it for an Op-Ed piece and let's get on with things... it's more important that people roll their sleeves up and figure out what Microsoft is doing. I'll say this: Yes, backups are used by pirates, but they are also used by people with legit reasons for exercising "fair use", especially on a system that's known to SCRATCH DISCS. In either case, though, don't whine about the bans, either. It doesn't accomplish a single thing.
OK.
To the liars, STOP IT. Oh, you never updated your dash, and you are now banned? Not bloody likely. I wasn't allowed on Live until I did the update, so how would anybody else bypass it? Beyond that, there will be a certain percentage here who will lie, for whatever reason. The false info doesn't help matters. Inaccurate info doesn't help matters. There are also the "second-handers" - "I've got a friend... blah blah..." STOP IT. Your friend who was/was not banned can report the specifics they know themselves. Second hand info does not help here.
Finally, if you have concrete info, spill it, but for the love of God, please be as COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE.
How so?
When did you get updated?
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
- What firmware(s) have you used?
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
Do you own "backups"
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
Do you have "Crackdown?"
- Is it a backup of your own disc, rented disc, or downloaded form a "scene release"?
- Ever update it?
- Use it to play Halo 3 beta?
What games do you play online?
and MOST IMPORTANTLY:
WXYZ codes, if possible BEFORE the banning, as well as AFTER. Why? Z: 8015-190D may indicate that you've been banned, but may not change UNTIL you are actually banned.
Now, who the freak am I? Nobody. I used to be active here, but now I'm not; burned out from work but still lurking. Suffice it to say, I have a few ideas on what is going on, based on the hearsay we've heard here.
Something people need to know:
AFAIK, Microsoft can't read any part of your firmware if you have a Firmguard-based drive (MS28 comes to mind here), hence, there is no way for them to directly check those drives as modded. Somebody prove me wrong here, but when it requires a specific chipset and power cycling the drive itself to "kick in" the failsafe mode, I just can't see Microsoft figuring out a way to do it on an Xbox 360. Firmguard was made to prevent hackers from modding the drives, though it failed. Microsoft shot themselves int he foot, and since at least one type of drive is exempt, the baby goes with the bathwater in this case. I don't think they have a PRACTICAL way of DIRECTLY detecting firmware.
Theories on detecting backups:
1. Disk Jitter. The FW hackers thought of this as an obvious tactic, though it's not 100% reliable (i.e. can give false positives on an unmodded Xbox drive), but it was the only thing they could think of. As a software engineer, I'd have ruled this out as unreliable.
2. Disk speed check. Simple enough, you KNOW file on an original game disc will be read within specific tolerances on a particular model of drive. Read a file and measure the time it takes. If it's outside of specific thresholds, it's modded firmware (since some versions run the discs slower/faster than a game disc). This is also flawed, but it's not as obvious, and might have slipped Microsoft's collective brain as they patted themselves on their backs for the cleverness of this potential solution.
Now, what happens to a drive that's going bad? The drive reads become erratic, the speed changes.
Theory #2 fits with what we've seen so far - legit 360s getting banned. Maybe the tolerances are too tight, maybe those drives are going bad... it would put them out of whack with this "clever" idea,
At this point, we don't have any real data. What we have is a collective cry of distress of "I'm banned" and "I'm not banned", which doesn't mean much. For the banned, we need SPECIFIC INFORMATION, as stated above. With enough information, a pattern WILL emerge, and hopefully, in time, somebody will figure out, absolutely, what is going on.
BTW: There is hope. If #2 is the case, and a significant number of "legit" 360s are getting banned, Microsoft will be forced to rescind the bans and hope to laugh this off with a thin PR blurb about faulty servers. At that point, Microsoft returns to the drawing board.
Post by: Skript0r on May 18, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
QUOTE(roguesn1per @ May 18 2007, 11:48 PM)
Ok ive read this thread for the 35 pages now......
Take this into acount.
I havnt Seen Anyone with a Core System Banned....Only premium.
Please oh please be true,
Anyone banned And had a Core Please Post so this theory Can Be bundled Away Like every other theory..
Wow. This theory is so crazy I hate to even give it credit but... my core is currently unbanned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: Tribis on May 18, 2007, 05:15:00 PM
The Xbox LIVE Ban database created by our very own juanschwartz
http://www.locallans.com/index.php
Post by: spitron on May 18, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
xbox live unmodded, never changed fw in the meantime..
rgs!
Post by: HopOnRocks on May 18, 2007, 05:22:00 PM
Premium system
Hitachi 47DJ
Commodore4Eva' latest firmware with Disc Jitter
I have played Crackdown in the past, but I did not download Halo 3 Beta
I wish there was something we could do about this. :/ I miss buying Arcade Games, and I still have 650 points tied to my account.
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
- What firmware(s) have you used?
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
Do you own "backups"
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
Do you have "Crackdown?"
- Is it a backup of your own disc, rented disc, or downloaded form a "scene release"?
- Ever update it?
- Use it to play Halo 3 beta?
What games do you play online?
-I did the spring update the day it was out
-Premium
-20 gig
-Yes
-Only ever used 5.2d
-3/14/07
-The MS25 is a TS I think
-Dont have that handy
-Yes
-I am almost positive I have
-Yes but I dont even know if Ive played it. I have played a little of a retail copy
-All rented
-Yes
-No
-None really. um last one I did was NBA 06 I think(retail copy)
And as of late last night I am not banned.
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 12:29 AM
Post by: GuntherMP5 on May 18, 2007, 05:26:00 PM
I never Downloaded Halo3
I only played one game after the update GOW (yes a backup) not even a ranked match mind you.
I have the connection Error Code, No "this console has been banned message"though.
I think M$ should remove the ban and say hey we can find you , we know who you are, and we can ban your account. Only play with legit copies , mess up again banned for life. I really only say this because there is only really one game I play online, the rest I couldn't give a toss.
I can try fixing my one old system that has corrupted firmware on it. maybe get an original bin and try to put the key in and use that. But most likely I will just get a PS3, not because it's a better system, but I am not spending $470 for another system to play 1 or 2 games.( I would only get an Elite as that is what the 360 should have been from the start) when I can shell out a few extra $100's and get a PS3 (BlueRay player, linux -MAME, Sony HOME {when available-for FREE} , and there is loaders supposedly-so figure a 500GB (25GBx20)drive or two ($120 for externals on pricewatch)
I can stream HD to my TV better than I can using TVersity using a 360 anyway! M$ never offered higher than 720p anyway. Retro games , I have a Wii for that, a PS3 w/MAME will probably do it even better.
Now I can just pray to the Gods that one of their Outsourced Customer Service people flys over to the states and does a V-TECH on the Redmond Campus ( unless thats not where the XBOX business unit is located), May there Suffering be legendary Even in Hell!
Sorry, I might have come off a little harsh on the last part. I am a proponent of Capital Punishment, and when I say capital punishment , I mean public crucifixions.
How about I tone it down.
I hope Bill Gates gets Malaria!
This post has been edited by GuntherMP5: May 19 2007, 12:35 AM
Post by: darktranq on May 18, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
also, it has nothing to do with the blaster 360 or the xeno top gear. they are nothing more than cable routers/plugs so that you dont have to reopen your xbox 360 case ever again to flash your firmware.
from what people are reporting in all the pages (yes ive read every single post), the only thing for certain is that all the data and responses point to 'NFI'. with both unmodded and modded consoles being banned, NME chips, hitachi, samsung, firmware versions, everytime someone offers a theory, it gets debunked pretty much straight away.
what im sick of is people posting the same question that was asked and answered already.
honestly, i dont give a crap what your opinions are on people copying stuff, i just want answers. the same reason people like C4E and the specialist started with these projects, and all hackers before them, to find answers to questions.
i dont think we are going to know the answers for awhile yet, unless some of the hackers are looking into it and keeping quiet for now.
in all honesty, im expecting to be banned. i wasnt as of 12 hours ago, and havent touched my 360 since. im afraid i will be once i fire it up.
i dont care if i cant play games on live. what i will be annoyed with is the fact that i cant play or use content that i have legally purchased off of live: theme and icon packs, and xbox live arcade games. i have invested money into xbox live, as have many of other people. if i was banned but could still use the themes, icons, and live arcade games offline, attached to my profile, then i would be happy. i like the way my dashboard is set up. its personalised.
im not using this as an excuse for "i shouldnt be banned because of..", i take full responsibility for what i have done, but i believe microsoft are shooting themselves in the foot because of the great system they have in place, the fact that people might use the firmware hack, but they also do spend money on live. i think they have underestimated the money they will lose.
i might just end up buying a core system, or heck, another premium console.. time will tell.. as it will with answers to this mess.
Post by: Magixx on May 18, 2007, 05:36:00 PM
Had not played system in months (I got a Wii)
Last time I flashed it was when xtreme 5.3 came out.
DVD drive version is ms25, made to look like ms25 thatssounds like jet airplane.
Played tons of backups before.
Turned on console today, updated it and all.
Used copy of Crackdown to download and play Halo 3 Beta.
I estimate this will last any where between 0h and a week.
Post by: pnilz on May 18, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: Takenover83 on May 18, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Tribis @ May 18 2007, 07:15 PM)
Please post all your ban information in:
The Xbox LIVE Ban database created by our very own juanschwartz
http://www.locallans.com/index.php
The Xbox LIVE Ban database created by our very own juanschwartz
http://www.locallans.com/index.php
This database look's to be incomplete. Where is the v78 Hitachi? Or the other firmware's?
Post by: viktor2002 on May 18, 2007, 05:54:00 PM
This is killing off legitimate players and watch ps3 sales rise as people will miss online and instead of another 360 they will get the ps3..
Post by: DMagic1 on May 18, 2007, 05:57:00 PM
Did that feature come with the spring update or has it always been there?
Post by: nytcrawlr on May 18, 2007, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: final_sephiroth on May 18, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: GuntherMP5 on May 18, 2007, 06:01:00 PM
QUOTE(pnilz @ May 18 2007, 07:41 PM)
It's funny how some people just want bill gates to die, as i see this is nothing in his hands as he has way to many employees that work for him, sure he says he doesn't wont any modders but he does not decides how it's done.
I do not really want Bill Gates Dead, His companies business practices are a little unorthodox, but thats Capitalism. The Gates Foundation is very generous with donations that aren't even matched by global leading countries. So in reality no I still believe has created bad things but is trying to repent so the history does not remember his 666 mark two inches in behind his left ear.
Either way, the malaria comment was bad on my part and I retract it. I now only hope that Melinda gets Malaria but that The Gates Foundation finds a Cure a few months later, a few shakes and fevers really wont hurt anyone.
Post by: Spanky2k5 on May 18, 2007, 06:02:00 PM
QUOTE(DMagic1 @ May 19 2007, 12:57 AM)
Maybe my memory is bad but did the tray area of the dash alway tell the name of the game. I thought it just said game or something before.
Did that feature come with the spring update or has it always been there?
Came with Spring dude, before it just said 'Play Game' or 'DVD' or whatever was tickling your fancy....
Post by: bufferjg on May 18, 2007, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: GanjaBlood on May 18, 2007, 06:04:00 PM
A video of these cheats in use can be found here;
Gears of War Hacked for Xbox 360
I don't see as M$ had any other option. A sad day for us all............
Post by: flea247 on May 18, 2007, 06:09:00 PM
When did you get updated?
same day the spring update came out
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
premium
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
20 gig
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
yes
- What firmware(s) have you used?
the lastest 1 available for the hitachi 47 dj in october 2006
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
october 2006
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
Hitachi
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
dj 47
Do you own "backups"
yes
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
yes
Do you have "Crackdown?"
yes
- Is it a backup of your own disc, rented disc, or downloaded form a "scene release"?
yes
- Ever update it?
about a month ago
- Use it to play Halo 3 beta?
no
What games do you play online?
rainbow 6,burnout and most new games when released
Post by: scuba156 on May 18, 2007, 06:13:00 PM
I have not been banned, im currently playing Lost Planet single player on a DVD-R DL and im still logged into LIVE! and even downloading the C&C3 Demo.
have the people here that have been banned, only modified the firmware? have you installed any fans that may be drawing more power than it should? what about replacing the dvd drive in it?
i just think there is something more to it than the flashed firmware, especially since unmodded consoles have been banned too
by the way
When did you get updated?
as soon as it came out
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
Premium
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
20Gb Hard drive
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
Yes
- What firmware(s) have you used?
Xtreme 5.2c, 5.2a, 5.2b, 5.3c in that order
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
February, 13 2007
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
Samsung/Toshiba
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
MS25
Do you own "backups"
Yes
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
All the time
Do you have "Crackdown?"
No
What games do you play online?
GOW and Call of Duty 2
Post by: hassle on May 18, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
if youve never played a backup copy online then chances are your ok. because ive never played a backup while connected to the cable period. i only plug in my console if i want to play halo 2 online, but thats a real copy. and i used a code to download halo 3 beta, and i dont even have a disc in to play halo 3. as of right now im fine, but ill let ya know when i get home.
ALSO:::::
now that the banhammer is being set down, im hoping prices of previously modded consoles will go down...............
i guess im buying a new console.
Post by: Takenover83 on May 18, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(final_sephiroth @ May 18 2007, 08:00 PM)
Has anyone who hasnt been banned played any games backup copy (namely crackdown) in the past 24 hours?
Yes, played Crackdown/Halo3 couple hours ago.
Elite with a v78 Hitachi, flashed with the latest, after the spring update. Still not banned.
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(GanjaBlood @ May 18 2007, 08:04 PM)
I now understand and stand by M$ decision to ban modified consoles. I wasn't aware Gears of War had been exploited and people were using modified backups to cheat on Live.
A video of these cheats in use can be found here;
Gears of War Hacked for Xbox 360
I don't see as M$ had any other option. A sad day for us all............
this is the double edge sword of hackers.what they can do or have done is never enough.it wasnt enough that they got everyone online with backups,no they had to press the issue and begin to cheat in OLM.that is why bans happend on xbox1 and now on xbox 360.
couldn't just leave well enough alone could they???????? well all those cheats wont help them online now will it???
Post by: tankertux on May 18, 2007, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(tankertux @ May 19 2007, 12:00 AM)
Just to post my experience:
MS28 with 5.3a flashed BEFORE I got the spring update.
Had played Spiderman 3 backup WHILE CONNECTED to LIVE shortly after the bannings began (about 2 hours).
Haven't played a backup on LIVE multiplayer since I've gotten the Spring Update.
Have played GoW original on LIVE several times since bannings began (still with Xtreme 5.3a).
= Have not been banned as of RIGHT NOW (5:45 PM CST)
A precaution I have been taking since learning of the bannings: I do not allow the Xbox to connect to LIVE while playing backups.
Just to throw my 2 cents into the argument FOR backups: I spent a year serving in Iraq (got back May '06), and yes, a lot of soldiers do take consoles with them overseas (TVs are easy to buy at BX/PX and consoles are cheaper than laptops). I took my Xbox1 overseas with my library of backups and was really glad I didn't bring originals because the sand/dust ate the backups up. That said, we didn't have LIVE to worry about either! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Oh, there went the ban hammer. Banned right now at 7:15pm CST while playing original GoW. To reiterate, I haven't played backups on LIVE since the Spring Update (I had previously and Crackdown was one of them), but I had played them while LIVE was connected. It took about 36 - 48 hours for me to be banned while only playing originals. I see the hammer is coming down HARD!
Post by: final_sephiroth on May 18, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Takenover83 @ May 19 2007, 01:19 AM)
Yes, played Crackdown/Halo3 couple hours ago.
Elite with a v78 Hitachi, flashed with the latest, after the spring update. Still not banned.
thats that theory ruled out then,
anyone know if accounts are still being banned today 19th or shud all have been banned by then, anyone been banned in past few hours?
Post by: tankertux on May 18, 2007, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: Wiinii on May 18, 2007, 06:31:00 PM
I also think that like any detective the best way to figure out how M$ is detecting this is to use deduction.
It is NOT:
1) from playing Halo 3 only
2) from playing Crackdown backup only
3) from the jitter fix firmware only (hence not sold out by the makers of the firmware)
4) a certain firmware version or drive type only
It could still be any one or mix of:
1) they started flagging boxes for a ban before the fall update, banned them all on the big day (sat peeps get hit on major ppv events similarly
2) they indeed can detect the firmware on the drive
3) they can detect a firmware change
4) the jitter fix did not work, they are using jitter detection
5) there is a scene release game that has code hidden in the game or game save
Also a lot of peeps are saying they got banned though they never played a game online, but IF YOU HAVE A BACKUP IN THE DRIVE WHILE YOU ARE ON LIVE THEY MIGHT BE CHECKING IT!
Let's go from there and deduct what we can and cannot confirm.
This post has been edited by Wiinii: May 19 2007, 01:40 AM
Post by: Techmaster on May 18, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Masta-G @ May 18 2007, 02:16 PM)
I think MS couldn't detect a modified dvd-drive at all.. I think they just pressed every original copy of Crackdown with a minor difference (like every copy has a different code compiled into it)... So everyone who got a pirated backup of the disc from the usual sources, were running the same version and got banned.
That way it was easy of MS to find out who was using an orignal copy and who was not.
That way it was easy of MS to find out who was using an orignal copy and who was not.
I'm thinking the same thing as you. This sounds very possible, and it could be a new technique that MS will be using on a lot of new games coming out, especially high profile ones.
Post by: final_sephiroth on May 18, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(tankertux @ May 19 2007, 01:30 AM)
See previous post
haha, just noticed it before ur reply, guess this is gonna be going on for a while then
Post by: JohnnyS on May 18, 2007, 06:40:00 PM
Here is my story, ive updated my frimware on may 11th to xtreme 5.3 then i update my dashboard, and then the only game i played online was CnC 3 which is a backed up game. I never played Crackdown online, never patched it, but i played it, i havent downloaded halo 3 beta or played it,
i use a TS-943 ms28, with xtreme 5.3 since the new dashboard
i am not banned yet,
what i want to know is, people who got banned with 5.3, did they updated crackdown or played halo 3, before, after the dashboard update,
i bought my 360 used but i guess its a premium package since it came with the HD and a wireless controller
Post by: ka-b00m on May 18, 2007, 06:43:00 PM
Just wondering about a couple of things. It would help answering this... i think...
Did everyone in here banned flashed the ODD drive with original firmware before getting the updates for the 360? I mean all the updates including the Spring Update?
Did everyone in here banned updated to the spring update with modded firmware?
Did everyone in here banned only/always played on Live with backup/copy games?
Did everyone in here banned played a backup/copy of Crackdown Online? Did you tried Halo 3 too?
I am not banned yet... don't know why but i am trying to figure it out... heres more info
When did you get updated?
A couple of days after it was released... i flashed the ODD drive with original firmware before i get the update... always did this with all the updates for the 360
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
Premium
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
20Gb Hard drive
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
Yes
- What firmware(s) have you used?
From the first Xtreme firmware to the 5.3x
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
I flashed the 5.3 firmware the same day i updated the 360 with the spring update
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
Toshiba-Samsung
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
MS25
Do you own "backups"
Yes
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
Yes
Do you have "Crackdown?"
No
What games do you play online?
PRG3, GRAW and GOW all originals... Never used an backup on Live
Cheers
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
We need a poll. I want to know how many they got. Might be a useful piece of info.
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 01:52 AM
Post by: hassle on May 18, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Techmaster @ May 18 2007, 05:32 PM)
I'm thinking the same thing as you. This sounds very possible, and it could be a new technique that MS will be using on a lot of new games coming out, especially high profile ones.
if this is true then im happy, cuz i never played crackdown.... i pray!!!!
Post by: irnchriz on May 18, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
What if Microsoft implemented code into all of their games going right back to when the first hacks appeared?
Imagine, each and every game title since then has had code in one of the signed xbe's that can tell if its a genuine copy.
So, they know exactly how many modded boxes are out there but choose (or probably have lawyers run scenarios on what to do) not to act. maybe they want to hit a certain install base figure, say 10 mil.
The lawyers come back and say......oooh, you could kill the modded consoles but that could be messy how about you just say they breached the LIVE ToS and ban the console ID. Dont ban their live account as they may have bought loads of content and again that could be messy. Plus on the upside, if they want to go on live again they need to purchase a new box (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Now, if they have implemented code which is read from within the xbe and encrypted how would you go about a) finding that code
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) cracking the CPU to block/rewrite the info back.
What if the code is in the dashboard, independant of live. So, you reprogram the dvd flash, or put a switcher in. The dashboard either can figure out that its not legal code or a game passes this info to the dash where a switch is set/ fuse blown on the cpu?? so that even when you switch back to the original firmware and go on live your ID is sent to Microsoft to be added to the banlist.
Now this doesnt stop you playing copied games, but the more titles become integrated to the live service the less likely people will be to copy them.
Post by: tomgreen99200 on May 18, 2007, 06:50:00 PM
xbox 360 premium Hitachi 78 with 3.0 maximus toolbox (only upgraded once before the spring update)
switched HDD
Pioneer 111d with Verbatims
Crackdown and Halo 3 (played both on live)
im happy....for now
Post by: HansiHusten on May 18, 2007, 06:54:00 PM
Very interesting how M$ could so such stuff and how fast they are detecting the mods.
I knew i shouldnt update to the latest dash but i couldnt resist somehow, although i would never use MSN.
(Also very intersting how MSN connects your gamertag with you windows xp or vista copy + windows ginue check etc -> this all will be stored in a database, your gamertag + windows related stuff, i bet!)
Well my story is short:
47DJ banned with latest FW which was flashed AFTER the dash update, but this seems not to matter at all. Sure H3 with backup CrDown.
Well, looks like M$ got me to buy a new core one and some new orignal games.. *sigh*
Im realy disapointed of M$, but now after i watched this cheater GOW video..... Oh man! What idiots, thanks to them we all get banned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
Looking forward for news from c4ever and garyopa..............
Post by: tgm4883 on May 18, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Techmaster @ May 18 2007, 06:32 PM)
I'm thinking the same thing as you. This sounds very possible, and it could be a new technique that MS will be using on a lot of new games coming out, especially high profile ones.
No, while it is possible what about someone who is using the original disk with that key? They would be banned too correct?
Post by: final_sephiroth on May 18, 2007, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(tgm4883 @ May 19 2007, 01:55 AM)
No, while it is possible what about someone who is using the original disk with that key? They would be banned too correct?
wouldnt that mean however that they were the ones that made the copy in the first place, and shud be banned?
Post by: thor99 on May 18, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Caboose87 @ May 18 2007, 11:57 PM)
Core or Premium -- It doesn't matter. They both have the same hardware, the only thing that is different is one has a shiny DVD bezel and the other looks like the rest of the Xbox 360. Besides, it would be retarded to ban just Premium people, since there are a lot of Cores out there as well.
Thats not true according to this...
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...puuTdYzDcXf.php
sorry just noticed this was already said..
Post by: flea247 on May 18, 2007, 07:08:00 PM
its also available to microsoft,
if we can get it,so can they.
Weve had a good run and can still play offline,
if you still want to play online buy a core system and original games for live,
if your not bothered about playing online then youve nothing to worry about,
just keep playing.
Thanks to c4 and gary for all the time spent and hard work they have done in the last year.
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Post by: hassle on May 18, 2007, 07:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Techmaster @ May 18 2007, 05:32 PM)
I'm thinking the same thing as you. This sounds very possible, and it could be a new technique that MS will be using on a lot of new games coming out, especially high profile ones.
if this is true then im happy, cuz i never played crackdown.... i pray!!!!
Post by: Zod5000 on May 18, 2007, 07:17:00 PM
Suppose I'll have to leave it unplugged from the internet for a while, and see how it goes. BTW Its toshiba-samsung with ms28.
Post by: MR-MV on May 18, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
I also play Halo3 bets but original disc. I haven't played a backup on live since the announcement came out about the latest update.
When I play my backups I disconnect my adapter.
Hope this info helps!!
Post by: mcgough on May 18, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
When did you get updated?
The day after the update rolled out
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
Core
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
20gb
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
Yes
- What firmware(s) have you used?
Maximus v1 and v1.7 (with jitter fix)
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
First flash was done in december (whenever the tookit was released) and the second time was right before i did the latest dash update
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
its a GDR3120L v78
Do you own "backups"
yes
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
yes
Do you have "Crackdown?"
No
- Is it a backup of your own disc, rented disc, or downloaded form a "scene release"?
- Ever update it?
- Use it to play Halo 3 beta?
No
What games do you play online?
None, i just have a silver account
i hope this info may be useful to someone!
This post has been edited by mcgough: May 19 2007, 02:32 AM
Post by: SambinoNYC on May 18, 2007, 07:20:00 PM
Just food for thought..........
This post has been edited by SambinoNYC: May 19 2007, 02:32 AM
Post by: manguyman on May 18, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(psi88 @ May 18 2007, 10:09 PM)
Don't you guys seriously think that ms will stop modders playing halo single player etc on banned consoles by making it require a new dash that they wont be able to install.. Say the "fall 07 dash" for example..
We'll be able to play the backups we have now, but i think anything that gets released a next few months, halo, mass effect etc, whether original or backup forget it..
Ms might let you keep what you already "may have stolen" for want of a better word, cos they cant prove whether you bought it, rented it or copied it, but they're not going to let us keep making new backups forever..
I think they'll mod the downloadable dash update ISO's from xbox.com to refused to update banned machines too. Games will have a sticker saying "requires fall 07 update" on them, so we cant say we bought them not knowing..
How can they do this, simple, add code to the fall update dash install to do a z check or whatever they currently check over live and then not allow consoles that have been modded to install updates/new dashes for disk or any update that comes with a game.
They can run detection code off a disk just as easily, if not easier than they do over live..
Sorry to be a doom monger, but its all in the TOS that they can deny you access to the service/software or live if you mod..
Like many have said, it was good while it lasted, it'll be good you can continue to play offline, but i dont think modders have felt all of the repercussions of this yet..
they can take away live without much that can be said.but if they start releasing games that wont work on a BANDED 360 then they will have hell to pay bro,cause in effect they would have just bricked something you paid $300-400 for..
Post by: NCspecV81 on May 18, 2007, 08:22:00 PM
I decided today that since I had access to 2 360's that are drastically different from one another that I would go out on a limb and see what happens.
1. 360 # 1 - my 360 - MS28 samsung flashed w/ 5.2fw before I even powered the 360 on to play it or update. So whatever update came on the 360 at the time i bought it back around new years eve, but I do remember having to update to the Fall dashboard. otherwise a clean bill of health on the 360. Havent played any games in awhile as last as I was on was to update to the spring dashboard, until today to do some investigating.
results? cranked it up and connects to live effortlessly on boot. Decided I would download forza and some other demo called blacklite or something? decided I would go to my gf's house and leave my 360 on connected to live while downloading. Came back and It was banned. No halo demo download.
2. 360 # 2 - my gf's 360 - hitachi 47d w/ 1.3 that was flashed way back when! before the fall update of course. I had updated it to the fall update back when it was released, however with the 360 never being touched the spring update was never downlaoded. Cranked it up, and It would NOT even connect to Live. Keep in mind this is with the Fall update, NOT spring. No halo or crackdown ect.
conclusion? I have no clue - but I would hypothesize a couple of things:
A. Bans are not update related
B. The fall update fixed more than the hypervisor exploit - don't take this as pointing fingers as I am just stating my findings.
C. MS could detect whatever they are using now long before we were even aware of this Jitter Fix - so I'd say c4eva, garyopa and company are indefinitely in the clear and Kudos to them for even having them give us the opportunity to play our backups.
wheres there any proof?
welp glad you asked!
clicky!
http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/NCs...rent=XBLVid.flv
for the grammar police - feel free to suck a big'in!
Post by: tonycam14 on May 18, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: ironmonkeyMU on May 18, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
About 2 weeks ago my modified 360 got the red lights of death. I sent it off to MS to see if it would pass for warranty.. (still has the sticker etc).
Well it passed and I got it back early this week with a damn Hitachi 79!
When I heard the news of the bannings I actually thought having this new, unmodified drive would be a blessing.
I WAS WRONG.
Either:
A. MS has been collecting data for some time and is simply using this database to ban machines, regardless of their current firmware etc..
or
B. MS can detect any firmware revisions on the DVD drive without actually checking the DVD drive. They maybe able to get this data (its entire history) from the motherboard.
So now I have an banned, unmodified console... with a damn 79 in there!
Good times...
Post by: tonycam14 on May 18, 2007, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Spanky2k5 on May 18, 2007, 08:32:00 PM
Noticed a lot of peopleare booting up and can't even connect to LIVE before they are told they're banned (could be the case for me too, haven't dared check yet)
Cud be wrong but wasn't there a feature in the Spring Update saying '360 can still continue downloads while turned off' or something along those lines?
Cud have been a sneaky ninja thing MS put in to ban accounts that aren't even signed into LIVE.
I wanna reiterate to users saying 'I gotta Silver account, does this effect me?'
This has sweet FA to do with your accounts, they still work - it's the hardware thats banned and won't connect, downgrading to a Silver or something isn't gonna do anything - sorry
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Post by: psi88 on May 18, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 19 2007, 03:21 AM)
they can take away live without much that can be said.but if they start releasing games that wont work on a BANDED 360 then they will have hell to pay bro,cause in effect they would have just bricked something you paid $300-400 for..
Sure they can, the same check could be performed when playing a new game then displaying the TOS saying you may not access microsoft 360 software on a modded 360, they can deny you acess to software just as easily as they can live.. they're just not doing that with existing software..
You'll only have a brick that is "as is" you can continue to play your existing collection but their TOS will stop you from playing new titles and deny you access to their new software and updates..
Far fetched, not possible, not think about this scenario..
They do the same with XP, they'll let you keep an existed pirated version once they detect it and use it "as is", they'll let you continue to use it in a crippled fashion, but they wont let you update it or install newer software to it as it fails the Genuine Advantage and breaks the TOS for using Windows software.. If you want to use the full funtionality of windows and the features it introduces in the future, you must buy a proper copy.. You want to play the new games, you must buy an unmodded xbox..
I hope you're right and they dont drop that low, but dont think they CANT, read the TOS.
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 08:56:00 PM
QUOTE(psi88 @ May 18 2007, 10:36 PM)
Sure they can, the same check could be performed when playing a new game then displaying the TOS saying you may not access microsoft 360 software on a modded 360, they can deny you acess to software just as easily as they can live.. they're just not doing that with existing software..
You'll only have a brick that is "as is" you can continue to play your existing collection but their TOS will stop you from playing new titles and deny you access to their new software and updates..
Far fetched, not possible, not think about this scenario..
They do the same with XP, they'll let you keep an existed pirated version once they detect it and use it "as is", they'll let you continue to use it in a crippled fashion, but they wont let you update it or install newer software to it as it fails the Genuine Advantage and breaks the TOS for using Windows software.. If you want to use the full funtionality of windows and the features it introduces in the future, you must buy a proper copy.. You want to play the new games, you must buy an unmodded xbox..
I hope you're right and they dont drop that low, but dont think they CANT, read the TOS.
an OS and getting updated drivers and such is diff from a piece of hardware that is in your house that you paid $400 for..lets not for get that part ok PAID FOR THE 360.if you bootleg a piece of software then you didnt pay a dime for it so they cut off support for it.but with hardware you had to pay for that noway of downloading it so if they release new ITEMS for that HARDWARE and it doesnt work the hardware becomes useless.
its same for a new car.if you open the hood and change the oil your self then there goes your warranty and your ties with that company is cut,much the same with LIVE,but that doesnt mean that you can no longer drive the car.
i still think something can be done in the courts about stoping you from using LIVE when you have to pay for it.i can completely understand taking away your warranty,but shuting you down from getting that just seems like they are steping over the line and are just asking to get sued..going online and cheating shoud hold up,but not because you did something they didnt like.
another way of getting around this in the courts and that i feel would fall like a rock if really fought is this"we own it,you just rent it"type of thinking on the parts of MS.think what would happen if every company put this into place.
you wouldn't be able to get auto parts from anywhere but from the dealers.they made the car,dont they own that and we just rent it?
what about the makers of PC motherboards?they made it so can they tell us what brand of video cards we can put in them?
how about speakers?or your juice cups?your shoes?the windows of your house?just because a company produces an item doesnt mean they still hold ownership of that item once its sold,thats the whole point of buying anything is to own that item and do with it as you see fit,if not they the system fails and it becomes something i dont have a word for but it isnt good..
you can see just where all of this is headed and when it gets there ill no longer play games or watch movies and thats digital distribution and complete control for the MS's sony's and whom ever else.they are testing the waters of what they can and cant get away with right now,and we are just letting them have their way..enough of my ranting..
This post has been edited by ThUgLoVe: May 19 2007, 04:10 AM
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
I modded 3 360's
1) Mine MS25 with 5.2b spoofed as a MS25. Not banned yet. I have played one backup offline after the spring update(I think they were watching way before that).
2)Another MS25 but with 5.2a spoofed with MS25. Not banned yet. The guy is playing backups online and everything seems to be on the up and up.
3)A 0078FK Hitachi with what is the latest firmware for it. The guy has not gone online yet, hes going to try and let me know.
If all of them stay unbanned the ONLY thing they all have in common is WHEN I flashed them. I'm going to edit my inital flash date to 3/13/07 and say I did the third one (the second MS25) on 3/28/07ish.
I am thinking they were collecting info to ban but I just got lucky and they were not scanning in the wake of dropping the ban hammer. All it means really is we get a free pass until the next sweep, because im sure they have recorded my firmware now for a second sweep.
Well played MS, well played indeen....
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 04:14 AM
Post by: psi88 on May 18, 2007, 09:04:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 19 2007, 03:56 AM)
an OS and getting updated drivers and such is diff from a piece of hardware that is in your house that you paid $400 for..lets not for get that part ok PAID FOR THE 360.if you bootleg a piece of software then you didnt pay a dime for it so they cut off support for it.but with hardware you had to pay for that noway of downloading it so if they release new ITEMS for that HARDWARE and it doesnt work the hardware becomes useless.
its same for a new car.if you open the hood and change the oil your self then there goes your warranty and your ties with that company is cut,much the same with LIVE,but that doesnt mean that you can no longer drive the car.
i still think something can be done in the courts about stoping you from using LIVE when you have to pay for it.i can completely understand taking away your warranty,but shuting you down from getting that just seems like they are steping over the line and are just asking to get sued..going online and cheating shoud hold up,but not because you did something they didnt like.
Its not like it bricked itself, anyone who modded it knew the risks, and part of the risk was that ms might stop you playing games/brick it/ban you/delete your gamercard, the TOS said if you mod it you break the rules about being able to use it..
They wont be blamed or fined or face legal action for you breaking something willingly. its not a car or a lawnmower or a house you can decorate yourself, its a mixture of hardware and software they own and they set the rule regarding how you may use it, its tough and unfair, but you really should know before laying $500 down that if you meddle with it, you take responsibilty from that point onwards..
Post by: Neptune on May 18, 2007, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 18 2007, 09:56 PM)
an OS and getting updated drivers and such is diff from a piece of hardware that is in your house that you paid $400 for..lets not for get that part ok PAID FOR THE 360.if you bootleg a piece of software then you didnt pay a dime for it so they cut off support for it.but with hardware you had to pay for that noway of downloading it so if they release new ITEMS for that HARDWARE and it doesnt work the hardware becomes useless.
its same for a new car.if you open the hood and change the oil your self then there goes your warranty and your ties with that company is cut,much the same with LIVE,but that doesnt mean that you can no longer drive the car.
i still think something can be done in the courts about stoping you from using LIVE when you have to pay for it.i can completely understand taking away your warranty,but shuting you down from getting that just seems like they are steping over the line and are just asking to get sued..going online and cheating shoud hold up,but not because you did something they didnt like.
Wrong...Only 3 or 4 car manufacture's do that.
Hyundai, BMW and a couple others. Toyota I know for a fact does not do that bull.
Post by: DeathWishkid666 on May 18, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
One of the great things about LIVE and the unified community is that we work hard to create a level playing field for all gamers and have a no tolerance policy towards inappropriate behavior like hacking or cheating. As part of our commitment to our members, we do not allow people that we have detected to have modified their console to connect to LIVE.
So they just think we r cheaters and NOT "backupers" lol....or at least that's how they r treating us
Post by: spinr34 on May 18, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: twistedhea on May 18, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
Drive : Sammy ms25
Region : Pal
Recent games : GoW - (played both with original + backup for live)
Halo 3 beta
Crackdown (original)
Status : NOT BANNED ( i've been playin halo 3 beta for 1 whole day be4 i read this thread)
Interesting fact : I changed my motherboard about 2 months ago .
Post by: DooDahMan on May 18, 2007, 09:10:00 PM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ May 18 2007, 10:51 PM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Your blaming MS for YOU pirating $2,800 worth of games? Moving on....
If their hardware was secure enough to begin with, what recourse would I have had other than to spend cash on the software? I'm not trying to lay blame nor am I trying to justify my actions. I see some people here go on and on about, "Well ya know, I have my 360 flashed, but I just did that so if my original disk gets messed up I always have my trusty backup on hand." Rubbish!
This may be true for a handful of people, but the fact is these hacked firmwares are for only one purpose and that's to play a piece of software you don't own and even if you did you only paid for one and not the other. These firmwares have no ability to make homebrew or emulation possible, provide no region-free compatibility and are solely used for one thing.... piracy.
So I say again, if Microsoft had been on the ball and released a secure product, what recourse would I or anyone else that's played a game they didn't own on the 360 have then to pay for it?
Post by: Deihmos on May 18, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 18 2007, 10:56 PM)
an OS and getting updated drivers and such is diff from a piece of hardware that is in your house that you paid $400 for..lets not for get that part ok PAID FOR THE 360.if you bootleg a piece of software then you didnt pay a dime for it so they cut off support for it.but with hardware you had to pay for that noway of downloading it so if they release new ITEMS for that HARDWARE and it doesnt work the hardware becomes useless.
its same for a new car.if you open the hood and change the oil your self then there goes your warranty and your ties with that company is cut,much the same with LIVE,but that doesnt mean that you can no longer drive the car.
i still think something can be done in the courts about stoping you from using LIVE when you have to pay for it.i can completely understand taking away your warranty,but shuting you down from getting that just seems like they are steping over the line and are just asking to get sued..going online and cheating shoud hold up,but not because you did something they didnt like.
another way of getting around this in the courts and that i feel would fall like a rock if really fought is this"we own it,you just rent it"type of thinking on the parts of MS.think what would happen if every company put this into place.
you wouldn't be able to get auto parts from anywhere but from the dealers.they made the car,dont they own that and we just rent it?
what about the makers of PC motherboards?they made it so can they tell us what brand of video cards we can put in them?
how about speakers?or your juice cups?your shoes?the windows of your house?just because a company produces an item doesnt mean they still hold ownership of that item once its sold,thats the whole point of buying anything is to own that item and do with it as you see fit,if not they the system fails and it becomes something i dont have a word for but it isnt good..
you can see just where all of this is headed and when it gets there ill no longer play games or watch movies and thats digital distribution and complete control for the MS's sony's and whom ever else.they are testing the waters of what they can and cant get away with right now,and we are just letting them have their way..enough of my ranting..
What you said makes no sense. They are not stopping you from using Live they are stopping the Xbox that was modded to connect to Live. There is a difference.
Post by: DeathWishkid666 on May 18, 2007, 09:18:00 PM
QUOTE(spinr34 @ May 18 2007, 09:07 PM)
for anyone complaining that they are banned, you are just wasting your time. an old phrase goes, "don't do the crime if you can't pay the time". seriously, the whole xbox world knew bans would happen sooner or later. just because they let you get away with it for so long doesn't mean you have any more power or you deserve anything else. everyone that has a modified console knows what they're doing is illegal. any person that has been banned for a modified console has no ground to stand on. so, stop complaining and try helping the scene for once.
I REALLY don't see too many people complaining about this, most are just trying to figure out what went on,,,,we ALL new the risk and yes everyone is upset (naturaly) that this came to and end.But i dont see too many people on here crying....and yes i have read every single post.....how does your post help the scene buddy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) ???? i dont see it???? (not that this one is any better)
Post by: darktranq on May 18, 2007, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(SambinoNYC @ May 19 2007, 11:20 AM)
Well many of you know it is LEGAL to Mod and play Modded games n Australia...
wrong. it is illegal to mod an xbox 360 in australia as the dvd firmware hack does not get around region coding.
also with our copyright laws, it is illegal to copy. we also have a free trade agreement with the USA and we are inheriting the DMCA laws.
so you will get banned eventually as well.
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 09:20:00 PM
QUOTE(DeathWishkid666 @ May 18 2007, 11:06 PM)
i really wouldn't worrie about M$ blocking out backups of new games guys.....if u look at there statment its all about keeping XBL fair.....
One of the great things about LIVE and the unified community is that we work hard to create a level playing field for all gamers and have a no tolerance policy towards inappropriate behavior like hacking or cheating. As part of our commitment to our members, we do not allow people that we have detected to have modified their console to connect to LIVE.
So they just think we r cheaters and NOT "backupers" lol....or at least that's how they r treating us
thats the key words here.they are using cheating as a way of getting around the whole "we own it you rent it"thing.the hack has been out for what over a year now,yet they did nothing untill ppl started cheating online.then BAM they have a good excuse to get rid of not only the cheaters but also the modders.
do you really think it took them over a year to figure out to how to stop this mod?
i really think if they would have baned ppl like this when it was just the FW mod and no cheating and someone fought this in court they would have lost.but now its not the fact that someone is using a piece of hardware in a way that MS doesnt like,now since there are cheaters they can say its hurting their business and creates an unfair playing field for the others which it does..
Post by: nhoj_yelbom on May 18, 2007, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 18, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Ok you messed with the terms of service.. ok you hacked thier system (for whatever reason..)
they should allow you to regain your position by reverting the console back to factory and use it as intended. Banning the system for the life of the console because you messed with it is a little too much: not to mention financially silly.
I bet we will not get numbers this month on downloads and activity on live due to a severe numbers drop. Which will effect future clients decisions to use the live service as a business option.
Mark my words if you care about these things.. They will be very vinallia in their delivery this month with no solid numbers. Just generalizations.
Post by: telo{+} on May 18, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Nailed @ May 19 2007, 02:47 AM)
I think its obvious MS targeted multiple different approaches to determining if a 360 was running a modified firmware. Hash checks, PFI/DMI checks, firmware reads/comparisons, etc. This will make it very difficult to target exactly what configurations work and what doesn't.
However, here's my conjecture on why fewer MS28 drives appear to be banned. The firmware of MS28 drives cannot be read like MS25... as far as I'm aware, the only way to read/write it is to use the 0800 disk. Consequently, I would suspect we'll see more Hitachi & MS25 drives banned than MS28 drives... BUT we'll also see MS28 drives banned since MS is checking other factors too (like downloaded pre-releases, etc). I also think that for quite awhile the 360s have been partnered with their drives. Therefore, if you have a modded MS28 and switch back to your unmodded MS25, you may be banned because the partnership is broken. Or if you have a modded MS28 (like Xtreme 5.3) that reports itself as something other than MS28, you may also find yourself banned since other firmwares should be able to be read. Time will tell if this is correct...
QFT (quoted for truth), I think you are dead on.
Its my speculation that if you have an MS28, currently unbanned, played since the bannings, and only play games at are 1:1 copies (GOOD scene rips) and only stuff thats available - - I think you'll be fine (for now).
I would also add that playing games outside ones own region might not be a good idea now, ie: PAL Multi games on a NTSC... maybe those are 1:1 with thier NTSC counter parts... not sure
Post by: ThUgLoVe on May 18, 2007, 09:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ May 18 2007, 11:14 PM)
What you said makes no sense. They are not stopping you from using Live they are stopping the Xbox that was modded to connect to Live. There is a difference.
ok your way of thinking is ok when its a bag of chips that is bad or if everyone is rich and can just go out and buy a new system.but the item is $300-$400 + your $50 for live so most ppl are stuck with the baned 360 that doesnt work 100% and have lost $50 for live since they cant just run right out to walmart and pick up a new system.
i see your point very well and its very sneaky how they did it,you can use our service but that system cant.
im not crying cause ive not been banned my 360 got the 3rol about a week ago.and im not even crying that its unfair,im just saying that i think something could be done about this if someone very smart were to go into court and really fight this way of thinking and way of doing business.cause if you can break down the "we own it,you rent it"this all goes away...
Post by: sncboom2k on May 18, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
Here's the info I can give you.
Xbox 360 Premium - Samsung drive - NME 1.2
Yes it had played on xbox live prior to the mod.
Yes it has the Spring update
Not sure how they know - but they know.
It's banned - NME 1.2 is not safe either. (Unless of course from day 1 you have been using the Network disabling function).
Good luck to all...
Sncboom2k
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 18, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 19 2007, 09:21 AM)
they can take away live without much that can be said.but if they start releasing games that wont work on a BANDED 360 then they will have hell to pay bro,cause in effect they would have just bricked something you paid $300-400 for..
No YOU bricked it !! It will still play the backups up to that point when it cannot go forward.. There is no legal basis why you HAVE to be offered new games on a console you broke the TOS by changing..
I am certainly not in the holier than thou camp.. But get real, they wont have 'hell to pay'.. You lose..
Post by: faithlesssoul on May 18, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
right and for some reason down the road my drive dies out of Warranty
i can no longer flash the key in the new drive and make it like the original
with no hack firmware just a raw stock flash and still get baned
that would be so bs
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Post by: Deihmos on May 18, 2007, 09:45:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 18 2007, 11:33 PM)
ok your way of thinking is ok when its a bag of chips that is bad or if everyone is rich and can just go out and buy a new system.but the item is $300-$400 + your $50 for live so most ppl are stuck with the baned 360 that doesnt work 100% and have lost $50 for live since they cant just run right out to walmart and pick up a new system.
i see your point very well and its very sneaky how they did it,you can use our service but that system cant.
im not crying cause ive not been banned my 360 got the 3rol about a week ago.and im not even crying that its unfair,im just saying that i think something could be done about this if someone very smart were to go into court and really fight this way of thinking and way of doing business.cause if you can break down the "we own it,you rent it"this all goes away...
People got exactly what they deserved. No one forced anyone to mod their 360 in the first place. That was their choice so they must live with the consequences. You can always cancel the Live service and get a partial refund and since someone paid $300 - $400 for the system why void the waranty and mod it in the first place?
If anyone is to blame it's the guys that released this hack not Microsoft. They are simply protecting their investment.
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 09:45:00 PM
Quoted from LesserEvil
":::sigh:::
This thread has become pointless and useless.
Too many liars, too many ranters.
First off, to the ranters, Let it be said once, then drop it. Moralizing is all fine and dandy, but save it for an Op-Ed piece and let's get on with things... it's more important that people roll their sleeves up and figure out what Microsoft is doing. I'll say this: Yes, backups are used by pirates, but they are also used by people with legit reasons for exercising "fair use", especially on a system that's known to SCRATCH DISCS. In either case, though, don't whine about the bans, either. It doesn't accomplish a single thing.
OK.
To the liars, STOP IT. Oh, you never updated your dash, and you are now banned? Not bloody likely. I wasn't allowed on Live until I did the update, so how would anybody else bypass it? Beyond that, there will be a certain percentage here who will lie, for whatever reason. The false info doesn't help matters. Inaccurate info doesn't help matters. There are also the "second-handers" - "I've got a friend... blah blah..." STOP IT. Your friend who was/was not banned can report the specifics they know themselves. Second hand info does not help here.
Finally, if you have concrete info, spill it, but for the love of God, please be as COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE.
How so?
When did you get updated?
What kind of Xbox, Core, Premium or Elite?
What size hard drive? None? Memory card?
Was the DVD ever flashed with mod firmware?
- What firmware(s) have you used?
- Approx. when were these flashed (dates, not relative to the update)
What is the manufacturer of the DVD drive? Hitachi, TS, LG, Benq?
What model? MS09? MS19? MS28?
Do you own "backups"
Have you ever updated a "backup" when prompted?
Do you have "Crackdown?"
- Is it a backup of your own disc, rented disc, or downloaded form a "scene release"?
- Ever update it?
- Use it to play Halo 3 beta?
What games do you play online?
and MOST IMPORTANTLY:
WXYZ codes, if possible BEFORE the banning, as well as AFTER. Why? Z: 8015-190D may indicate that you've been banned, but may not change UNTIL you are actually banned."
If you don't have information to give, don't thread crap with pointless debates!
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 04:50 AM
Post by: sncboom2k on May 18, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
Here's the info I can give you.
Xbox 360 Premium - Samsung drive - NME 1.2
Yes it had played on xbox live prior to the mod.
Yes it has the Spring update
Not sure how they know - but they know.
It's banned - NME 1.2 is not safe either. (Unless of course from day 1 you have been using the Network disabling function).
Good luck to all...
Sncboom2k
Post by: JohnnyVegas on May 18, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(faithlesssoul @ May 18 2007, 10:44 PM)
i got one for you guys so lets say i go buy a new xbox360
right and for some reason down the road my drive dies out of Warranty
i can no longer flash the key in the new drive and make it like the original
with no hack firmware just a raw stock flash and still get baned
that would be so bs
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You got it.
you can do it but you can't use Live if you do.
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 18, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
QUOTE(NCspecV81 @ May 19 2007, 09:22 AM)
2. 360 # 2 - my gf's 360 - hitachi 47d w/ 1.3 that was flashed way back when! before the fall update of course. I had updated it to the fall update back when it was released, however with the 360 never being touched the spring update was never downlaoded. Cranked it up, and It would NOT even connect to Live. Keep in mind this is with the Fall update, NOT spring. No halo or crackdown ect.
conclusion? I have no clue - but I would hypothesize a couple of things:
A. Bans are not update related
B. The fall update fixed more than the hypervisor exploit - don't take this as pointing fingers as I am just stating my findings.
Interesting.. So what happens when yopur banned without getting the fall update ?? You cant sign in ?? It doesnt offer the update ?? You have the same live ban screen..
I have a Sammy drive (unknown which.. Machines are sold like that from store in Asia) flashed with FW from some time last summer.. I have a silver sub (we dont get live here in Thailand) only and have not played online, only signing in, some marketplace, etc.. I have the fall updae but decided to avoid the spring one altogether untill all fall out was known.
I certainly will not update to spring but was thinking I was safe to sit out.. Please dexcribe how your ban notification happens or what stage fails with this fall update console.
QUOTE(ironmonkeyMU @ May 19 2007, 09:29 AM)
I'm in Sydney Australia. Just got banned this morning but have a unique situation.
About 2 weeks ago my modified 360 got the red lights of death. I sent it off to MS to see if it would pass for warranty.. (still has the sticker etc).
Well it passed and I got it back early this week with a damn Hitachi 79!
When I heard the news of the bannings I actually thought having this new, unmodified drive would be a blessing.
I WAS WRONG.
Either:
A. MS has been collecting data for some time and is simply using this database to ban machines, regardless of their current firmware etc..
or
B. MS can detect any firmware revisions on the DVD drive without actually checking the DVD drive. They maybe able to get this data (its entire history) from the motherboard.
So now I have an banned, unmodified console... with a damn 79 in there!
Good times...
With an unmodded console I would be raising merry hell with live support..
I broke the rules ?? Prove it !!! My console is unmodded.. Check it..
This one would be in thier court !!
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 19 2007, 09:56 AM)
an OS and getting updated drivers and such is diff from a piece of hardware that is in your house that you paid $400 for..lets not for get that part ok PAID FOR THE 360.if you bootleg a piece of software then you didnt pay a dime for it so they cut off support for it.but with hardware you had to pay for that noway of downloading it so if they release new ITEMS for that HARDWARE and it doesnt work the hardware becomes useless.
its same for a new car.if you open the hood and change the oil your self then there goes your warranty and your ties with that company is cut,much the same with LIVE,but that doesnt mean that you can no longer drive the car.
So say you screw up the car.. Lets say you used flour instead of engine oil.. Then you broke the car.. Now you have no warranty and you cant drive it.. And no one would cry over you !!!
Of course MS has the power to stop you playing new games going forward.. They find the live ban check system.. Put it on new games.. and the new game says "sorry I dont play on hacked consoles" very simple if they have a check system and 100% fair on thier part.
You still have access to all games mastered before that point.. Thats the risk you took, that you could break future functionality !!!
I have a modded console, I may get banned and all the above may happen to me.. But seriously dont you people think through the risk reward before you do these things. When you break that EULA, when you break that warranty / tampering sticker.. Everything that happens from then on is your responsibility.. MS doesnt have to play nice with you from then on !!
Post by: Kr0n1k on May 18, 2007, 09:58:00 PM
And don't ask the ignorant "How does this help the scene?" question either, because its a simple answer: Reality Check.
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 09:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Phat Phreddy @ May 19 2007, 04:53 AM)
I broke the rules ?? Prove it !!! My console is unmodded.. Check it..
This one would be in thier court !!
That's what is interesting here. You can't F up a stock/certified refurb and get banned and yet its happening. Is it just refurbs?
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 05:00 AM
Post by: faithlesssoul on May 18, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 18, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ May 19 2007, 09:56 AM)
what about the makers of PC motherboards?they made it so can they tell us what brand of video cards we can put in them?
how about speakers?or your juice cups?your shoes?the windows of your house?just because a company produces an item doesnt mean they still hold ownership of that item once its sold,thats the whole point of buying anything is to own that item and do with it as you see fit,if not they the system fails and it becomes something i dont have a word for but it isnt good..
If someone makes a motherboard that only works with thier GFX card they dont sell many.. If someone makes an speaker that only works with thier stereo (think B&O) then they have a smaller sales market.. But of course they can..
You have ownership of an item sure.. You own it and can uyse it as a door stop or whatever you like.. But no one is under any obligation to provide you with software for a modded machine.. They sell SW that works 100% on machines as they are sold.. If you change the machine they are not under any obligation to help you..
Say you buy a Toyota.. And then you go put a chevy engine it.. Are toyota responsible for keeping it running ?? Now the chevvy engine breaks and the car no longer does what toyota sold it to you to do.. Are you gonna sue toyota ??
Get your head round it !!! You modified it.. If it stops working YOU BROKE IT !!!
Post by: osotogari on May 18, 2007, 10:06:00 PM
QUOTE(handles25 @ May 19 2007, 04:45 AM)
To the liars, STOP IT. Oh, you never updated your dash, and you are now banned? Not bloody likely. I wasn't allowed on Live until I did the update, so how would anybody else bypass it? Beyond that, there will be a certain percentage here who will lie, for whatever reason. The false info doesn't help matters. Inaccurate info doesn't help matters. There are also the "second-handers" - "I've got a friend... blah blah..." STOP IT. Your friend who was/was not banned can report the specifics they know themselves. Second hand info does not help here.
I can test this soon, I haven't been on Live since Dec. 06
I missed the last 2 updates. I'll wait few days to make sure they baned all the old systems and try it. if they have been collecting info for a long time and are banning systems without the last update I should be banned also.
Post by: gymguy on May 18, 2007, 10:10:00 PM
http://www.darkmoon.org/xbox360_photos.htm To all those that are not banned as of yet open your 360 and check and see if you have the eeprom near the CPU (some 360's dont) I am still online and my 360 doesent have this eeprom chip. Just a theory maybe ms cant ban your 360 if you dont have this eeprom on your motherboard. ( just a note that if you take this chip off the 360 will still work like normal) I am not a hacker nor a coder so this might be nothing and i to will get banned later on. Just wanted to add my results as of now.
This post has been edited by gymguy: May 19 2007, 05:20 AM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 18, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Kr0n1k @ May 19 2007, 10:58 AM)
Well, if most would've had some foresight, you would've known that at some point you would be banned for modding/hacking and then you wouldn't have put your $300 - $400 machine at risk. It is ILLEGAL TO MOD YOUR XBOX. You can got to court all you want, they are going to charge you, not Microsoft. They have done nothing to effect people's boxes in terms of physically functioning. In fact, I'm sure you can still play backed up games, but you can't PLAY THEM ON LIVE. Nor can you access the Marketplace, or your friends list, etc. Think of it like this, you can pay to get into a movie, but if you are yelling and throwing shit around and basically disturbing everyone else, they throw your ass out the door, wether you paid for it or not. When you break the law, there are consequences. And I wouldn't point at Halo 3 as much as I would point to the fact that they probably want to sell some Elites. And I think it was the first or second guy that posted, but if you think there are greener pastures on Sony's side, think again. Sony is the company continuously being ripped off by hackers and pirates. They produce movies and music, and its a toss up as to which is downloaded more for free off of the internet. They banned PS2s just as they will ban your PS3 if they detect something is fishy. Just buy the systems, buy the games, and enjoy gaming.
And don't ask the ignorant "How does this help the scene?" question either, because its a simple answer: Reality Check.
What LAW has been broken ??
I am not in the USA... The DMCA does not apply to me.. I won the item and can do what I liek with it..
There is no LAW against me flashing my drive (where I am), I may have broken the live TOS (we dont get live anyway so even signing in on a non modded console probably does to), and I may have broken an EULA.. But violation of a license does not break a law, it merely means that my license in invalidated.
Similar to the guys who want to sue MS becuase they modded the box who are wrong you are also way otu there too..
No laws have been broken but by violating the TOS and EULA they are within thier rights to remove the services and withhold future software..
Post by: Mana on May 18, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
Friend had an xbox360 at launchish and i bought mine about 1 year later. He had been playing on live for most of that time on an unmodded box. He had a hitachi 47.
My xbox has a ms28. when i got mine, i instantly modded it before i even had any original games or live to xtreme 3.3. i also modded my friends at the same time with the latest hitachi firmware (2.2 i think). so we played backups for a while and i then upgraded to 4.1A before the update that happened before the spring update.
i left my friends untouched. anyway, i hadnt played on my xbox for a few weeks. i login, do the spring update, pop in gears of war (backup) and do a gameupdate for that and play. played all day yesterday and left the xbox on. just checked and still UNBANNED.
my hitachi friend comes on a few hours ago and after some heisitation he switches it on and he is instantly banned.
neither of us have ever played crackdown, original or backup or even touched halo 3. the only difference apart from the drives that i can see is that i modded mine before i even got on live he was already on live after i modded his... then again i upgraded mine from 3.3 to 4.1a after i had already been on live.
to sum up
ME: MS28 w/ 3.3 BEFORE USING LIVE, Upgraded to 4.1A during LIVE before spring update -> NOT BANNED
Never played crackdown orig or backup, never tried halo3.
FRIEND: Hitachi 47 J w/ opa 2.2 DURING LIVE BEFORE SPRING UPDATE -> BANNED as soon as he connected to LIVE.
Never played crackdown orig or backup, never tried halo3.
Hope this helps. I still expect to be banned but its interesting why i wasnt instantly banned. i dunno. Hope this helps guys
This post has been edited by Mana: May 19 2007, 05:17 AM
Post by: nhoj_yelbom on May 18, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
QUOTE(swissjay @ May 18 2007, 05:36 PM)
Isn't this the same trick MS used with XBOX1? First time you go on LIVE, they make a "snapshot" of your system (FW versions, SERIAL Numbers, etc.) and if during subsequent logins any of the info has changed (like HDD upgraded), you're banned?
Of course placing the HDD in another 360 will work (by design), I'm guessing they ban the MAC-address of your 360, that's the one thing you can't just switch out without replacing the whole motherboard. And even if you could change the MAC adress by flashing some ROM, I'm guessing that you still would get banned because the 360's own serial number would match the MAC in the MS database?
If they used the same algo as with XBOX1, modding a new box out of the box might work, but you will never be able to modify the FW after going on LIVE the 1st time because from then on, your box has been added to the LIVE database with the hardware info that's current at that moment.
I'm just throwing out guesses, but somehow all this seems familiar from XBOX1. So please, don't start yelling at me ;-)
Someone will figure it out for sure, but a box once banned is probably banned for good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
i believe this is true ^^, i have modded 2 360's out of the box that are on live right now. i modded after connecting to live and i got banned.
ms-28 and a hitachi 57
Post by: JohnnyS on May 18, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
im using 5.3a for samsung since the dashboard upgrades, i updated before the patch, ive played cnc3 copy since the dashboard upgrade. im not banned yet, and im on live atm, i never played crackdown while connected on live or neither before the release date, i was using 5.2 a before spring update,
any other ms28 not banned yet that havent played halo3 beta or crackdown online...and have used 5.3 starting from the dashboard upgrade ?
can we have more info
Post by: shadowth on May 18, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
Console: Premium
Mft Date: 09/18/2k6
Drive: Sammy MS28
FW: Xtreme 5.2D
My deal....
I´m afraid to turn it on with the cable on it. I haven´t updated it yet with the sping update... But I believe I left the cable on a few days while the update was going...
If I was 100% sure this was update related, I would revert to my old fw and log in on live but...
http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/NCs...rent=XBLVid.flv
This video shows clearly someone in my situation, who just left the cable on and got banned, with the old dashboard....
Until last time I booted the 360, I got the update screen and denied it...
So, I just won´t sit and cry... I´ll turn it online, and, if the update thing appears I´ll do it.
What is recommend? Should I flash back my oldie fw, or stick with this one, grab God´s hand and check it out?
As soon as I do it I´ll post here... I just wanted to know if I should flash back (rofl) or I´m already screwed....
Post by: komodothesly on May 18, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: george1999 on May 18, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
M$ gathers error logs form the 360 itself and looks for any boxes that have been booted in modeB, and bans them. They can not tell weather or not your drive has been modded. Therefore, if you take the modded drive and use it with the same version (drive) 360 that has not been booted to modeB, it should work fine. The End!
P.S
This is also why some people that have not modded there 360 still got banded, modeB ftw!
Post by: xboxer360 on May 18, 2007, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: shadowth on May 18, 2007, 09:52:00 PM
Not a conclusive and clear post, yet.
Post by: JohnnyS on May 18, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
i was first using 5.2a and then updated to 5.3 a i have a ts-943 ms 28
not banned yet logged online
Post by: Zod5000 on May 18, 2007, 09:57:00 PM
I probably shouldn't of connected to live at this point, in case someone figures out a way to avoid being detected, but it was still itching me whether I was banned or not.
I used crackdown to play halo 3 (played it for about 20 mins the other night), other then I've just been playing oblivion the past few months (and now the shivering isles).
Some people think some ms28's are avoiding detection.. so I'm wondering if it depends how you flashed it. If you used the solder method, would that make it more detectable? For flashing or even pulling off the firmware you've gotta reset it to trick it into recovery mode.
I probably shouldn't test out if i've been banned too much in the next few days, just hoping 5 seconds on live isn't enough to get myself banned.
I also doubt they could make a dashboard update that disabled the new games being played on an old dashboard. Theres still gotta be some people that use the xbox without the internet?
Post by: shadowth on May 18, 2007, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: sncboom2k on May 18, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
2 cents worth.
Post by: JohnnyS on May 18, 2007, 10:35:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowth @ May 19 2007, 05:33 AM)
Johny, when did you update your drive?
before upgrading the dashboard
Post by: NCspecV81 on May 18, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
pre-spring dashboard ban. obviously not spring update related.
Post by: komodothesly on May 18, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowth @ May 19 2007, 12:28 AM)
have you heard of any consoles that had flashed fw and going back to original fw getting banned ??
Not a conclusive and clear post, yet.
I flashed my firmware to 5.2 then updated to 5.3 when it was released, when i heard about the bannings i flashed my fw back to the original fw. I havent got banned. yet. which was why i asked my question if anybody with my scenario got banned .
Another intresting note i doubt this has some thing to do with it but when the halo beta was fixed to be downloaded through crackdown which is legit, I cleared my updates by doing the maintenance up date from the hard drive. that being said all your "game" updates are cleared. you think the updates contained information on checking discs for any missing sectors etc. ?? just a thought
This post has been edited by komodothesly: May 19 2007, 05:51 AM
Post by: ssjtrunks20xl on May 18, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(gymguy @ May 19 2007, 05:10 AM)
well i've read all 43 pages and currently my ms25 spoofed as a hitachi 59 with 5.3d still is online i updated before the latest update and i assume that sooner or later i will be banned but i have a theory of my own.
http://www.darkmoon....x360_photos.htm To all those that are not banned as of yet open your 360 and check and see if you have the eeprom near the CPU (some 360's dont) I am still online and my 360 doesent have this eeprom chip. Just a theory maybe ms cant ban your 360 if you dont have this eeprom on your motherboard. ( just a note that if you take this chip off the 360 will still work like normal) I am not a hacker nor a coder so this might be nothing and i to will get banned later on. Just wanted to add my results as of now.
I just checked to see if I had an eeprom and I do not have one on my mb. I have been banned too. I have a prem mb with h-lg 47 drive with the C4Eva 2.4 firm on my drive. I flashed AFTER the update because I was dumb. I don't know what I was thinking. I used a backup of Crackdown to dl the Halo 3 beta and got on fine for about a day and 1/2 then while playing it said I had been disconnected and later last night I came on here and found about 29 pages of people saying they were banned. OH SH*% I thought. Yea I am bummed but I knew the risks of using a backup online and I so wish that people would stop saying " HA HA you modders got what was coming to you" because that is makes you sound like an idiot. I hope that there will be a way to fix all this. Some say they have talked with M$ and were told that people will be unbanned from LIVE on Sat but we will see. It kinda sucks though too because I was just working on a Spiderman case mod with leds behind the plexi eyes and the sata re routed so I didn't have to take the case apart again. Oh well, I can sell it on ebay. Good luck to people who are working to get this fixed. Thanks again to C4E and GaryOpa and all for the great run. It was fun.
Post by: xa-rev on May 18, 2007, 11:01:00 PM
heres a friends of mine detection method that may have been used
a friend of mine thought this up . a simpler way of detection if its possible for m$ to implement would be this
you flash you harddrive with your 5.3 ect or what ever and i think everyone probably locked there drive
m$ try and reflash your dvd drive for you via the recent update
if it wont flash ya banned ?
please correct me if im wrong
now i hear you say well not all modders are banned what if its in a certain game the codeing ?
or the shedloads updates for a paticular game
if this is right we need to ask whos been band with 5 or less backups and name them
This post has been edited by xa-rev: May 19 2007, 06:08 AM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 18, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Zod5000 @ May 19 2007, 11:33 AM)
I also doubt they could make a dashboard update that disabled the new games being played on an old dashboard. Theres still gotta be some people that use the xbox without the internet?
Of course theres people not online.. But your forgetting updates can be shipped on disc along with the game..
So you get game.. Game says to play this game you must update.. Update Y/N ?? You can chose to either update the console or not.. If you say no game wont play, and if you update and it fails the 'mod test' it can do anything from say either it will not update the console due to tampering, or not play that game, or even brick the console..
All done from disc and offline. The PSP firmware updates were in a similar manner, you either accept the update (often cannot be undone) or not play the game.. Once MS have a reliable detection method theres nothing to stop them blocking all future software and even bricking consoles..
Post by: specter620 on May 18, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
Live membership: Silver, still connecting (as of 12:30am Saturday 5/19/2007)
Console: Premium
Manufacture date: 7/2006
Console 1st connected to live: Mid April 2007
Console modded: 5/2/07
Drive: Samsung ms28
Flash method: 10 second bad flash w/ VIA chipset
Firmware version: 5.2c (only one ever on drive aside from original)
Spring update: The day it was released (roommate = idiot)
Crackdown?: Played a rented copy in April before console was modded, none since
Halo3 Beta: Nope
Backups: Yes, all made myself. Some made from my old 360 (Hitachi, SS key rip, large dvd hotswap) and some made w/ Kreon drive.
Update backups when prompted?: Every time.
Play backups offline w/ live connected? All the time
Play online multiplayer? Not w/ this console
Storage: 20gb drive
MS points: none currently, spent 1600 over history of gamertag (not w/ this console)
Had a 360 with flashed Hitachi 47 I think it was that some ass hole stole from my apartment one night. Took me a few months to get the new one. At least I can take solace in the fact he's banned from live right?
Regardless this is a newer flash that is still connecting to live. Take that one of two ways. (1) Data mining was gathered some time back and consolidated to ban, but doesn't reflect newest data or (2) Difficulty in recognizing fw changes to the ms28.
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(handles25 @ May 19 2007, 04:01 AM)
Good post's psi88 and NCspecV81!!!!
I modded 3 360's
1) Mine MS25 with 5.2b spoofed as a MS25. Not banned yet. I have played one backup offline after the spring update(I think they were watching way before that).
2)Another MS25 but with 5.2a spoofed with MS25. Not banned yet. The guy is playing backups online and everything seems to be on the up and up.
3)A 0078FK Hitachi with what is the latest firmware for it. The guy has not gone online yet, hes going to try and let me know.
If all of them stay unbanned the ONLY thing they all have in common is WHEN I flashed them. I'm going to edit my inital flash date to 3/13/07 and say I did the third one (the second MS25) on 3/28/07ish.
I am thinking they were collecting info to ban but I just got lucky and they were not scanning in the wake of dropping the ban hammer. All it means really is we get a free pass until the next sweep, because im sure they have recorded my firmware now for a second sweep.
Well played MS, well played indeen....
The 0078FK is banned. My timing theory is out the window. The only thing I can guess thats a variable is did you played backup games online, but I have someone with the same setup as me playing on live with hacked firmware and backups and hes not banned yet.
I am so impressed with MS's counter.
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 06:21 AM
Post by: Nailed on May 18, 2007, 11:20:00 PM
QUOTE(handles25 @ May 19 2007, 05:09 AM)
The 0078FK is banned. My timing theory is out the window.
Your timing theory was out the window the first time someone got banned without a DVD inserted. Although there could easily be multiple methods that MS is using.
This post has been edited by Nailed: May 19 2007, 06:21 AM
Post by: eyric101 on May 18, 2007, 10:45:00 PM
QUOTE(george1999 @ May 19 2007, 12:26 AM)
OK....
M$ gathers error logs form the 360 itself and looks for any boxes that have been booted in modeB, and bans them. They can not tell weather or not your drive has been modded. Therefore, if you take the modded drive and use it with the same version (drive) 360 that has not been booted to modeB, it should work fine. The End!
P.S
This is also why some people that have not modded there 360 still got banded, modeB ftw!
M$ gathers error logs form the 360 itself and looks for any boxes that have been booted in modeB, and bans them. They can not tell weather or not your drive has been modded. Therefore, if you take the modded drive and use it with the same version (drive) 360 that has not been booted to modeB, it should work fine. The End!
P.S
This is also why some people that have not modded there 360 still got banded, modeB ftw!
Where exactly would these logs be stored? The drive is hooked up to your pc when in mode b.
Post by: tigerk on May 18, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 11:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Nailed @ May 19 2007, 06:20 AM)
Your timing theory was out the window the first time someone got banned without a DVD inserted. Although there could easily be multiple methods that MS is using.
Thats just it. They have multiple ways of detecting. I think they may have even targeted some(no bias for hardware or hacked firmware,) modded users and not all of us, just to add more questions to the puzzle.
What I'm getting at is modders and MS have been down this road before, the marriage theory was proven correct shorty after that mass ban. This time I think they want to try to confuse us by adding an "random factor".
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 06:40 AM
Post by: csaephanh on May 18, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: uberfrost on May 18, 2007, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 18, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
On a side note....It's kind of funny how C4E and the rest of the bunch have been MIA since the banning.
I haven't went on with my system since the spring update, but i did update my 46DH the day after. I also have a dev Samsung(MS09) with Xtreme 3.1 as a back up. Either way, im gonna wait & see if these d00ds come out of hiding to say something.....
Post by: marcdaddy on May 18, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
I have a ELITE 78K Flashed brfore Spring Update - NOT BANNED
Never Played online with a Backup ETHERNET CABLE NOT EVER PLUGGED in while playing one
Originals work Fine online, SO does Xbox Arcade games
So im gonna keep it like that until i get banned or just lucky nd not get banned.
Well id like to say that 2 of my Friends systems( Banned) went back to Gamestop today LMAO!
THEY TRADED THEM IN AND GOT $225 towards a Elite and they kept the 20 GIG hardDrives
So know someone is gonna buy those suckers and bring them home and BLAM BANNED!! I think thats awesome it is just more Bad Pub for Micrshaft. I wonder if Trade ins And Returns at all these stores will ever have a clue.
Post by: handles25 on May 18, 2007, 11:52:00 PM
QUOTE(TIME2PLAYDAGAME @ May 19 2007, 06:47 AM)
I guess we'll find out tomorrow/today whether or not what MS is telling people who called is true or not. About them have "server problems". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
On a side note....It's kind of funny how C4E and the rest of the bunch have been MIA since the banning. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
I haven't went on with my system since the spring update, but i did update my 46DH the day after. I also have a dev Samsung(MS09) with Xtreme 3.1 as a back up. Either way, im gonna wait & see if these d00ds come out of hiding to say something.....
*edit*
I can't spell
Are you retarded?
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 07:05 AM
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 18, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(handles25 @ May 19 2007, 12:52 AM)
Are you retarted?
P.S. I just stated what im sure thousands are thinking but wouldn't say it...Where are they?
Post by: Fuckme18 on May 19, 2007, 12:02:00 AM
4 samsungs all flashed with 5.3c prior to the spring update.(not Banned yet) One has used back up verison of crack down and downloaded the halo 3 beta and play for an hour. still not banned 72 hours later. one used backup crack down and downloaded halo 3 beta and but did not play it. None of these samsungs are banned.
2 lg one with 57dj and one with the 46 firware both flashed with the 2.4 stealth jitter fix before updating to spring update. (banned).
1 lg with 78fw used the jitter fix from tool box before the spring update. (banned)
None of the lg have used crackdown to play halo or downloaded it.
All these are premiums xboxs and are all 20 gigs harddrive.
My theroy is M$ can read the lg firmware and not the samsungs. I haven't read a post where some one got banned with a samsung updated to the 5.3c before updating the xbox to the spring update? I could be wrong.
Post by: marcdaddy on May 18, 2007, 11:26:00 PM
Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
kinda seems more logical than all the other "theories" floating about at the moment...
because now that I think about it, I believe that I flashed my elite with 78fk dvd drive before i even signed onto live (i signed onto live with another xbox, but not with the elite i bought). The last time I checked, I haven't been banned yet (that was approximately 10 hours after the bannings started), and quite honestly, i dont want to check until i know what the hell's going on pertaining to how microsoft is detecting mods. And I dont want to be the scene's guinea pig and try it out, either (major props to people going out on a limb and braving the bans to try and find out how MS is doing it)
im hearing more and more that people who are flashing back to their original firmware are instantly being banned. So, in my opinion, the marriage theory that was true for xbox 1. while definately not confirmed yet, holds the greatest possibility of being true for the 360 as well in my book.
Post by: Xx The 0ne xX on May 18, 2007, 11:28:00 PM
QUOTE(gymguy @ May 19 2007, 12:10 AM)
well i've read all 43 pages and currently my ms25 spoofed as a hitachi 59 with 5.3d still is online i updated before the latest update and i assume that sooner or later i will be banned but i have a theory of my own.
http://www.darkmoon....x360_photos.htm To all those that are not banned as of yet open your 360 and check and see if you have the eeprom near the CPU (some 360's dont) I am still online and my 360 doesent have this eeprom chip. Just a theory maybe ms cant ban your 360 if you dont have this eeprom on your motherboard. ( just a note that if you take this chip off the 360 will still work like normal) I am not a hacker nor a coder so this might be nothing and i to will get banned later on. Just wanted to add my results as of now.
i checked mine i have been banned my 59DJ with 2.4 fw was banned, and i did not have a eeprom. Heres what happended 2 me
1. update to 2.4 day before spring update
2. got spring update everything was fine
3. got halo 3 beta played about 3 times for about 20-30 min a piece, then i logged off at about 8pm EST, logged on X-S, realized they are banning, and checked mine. Next thing i kno i got banned
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 18, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
QUOTE(marcdaddy @ May 19 2007, 01:02 AM)
They are MIA cuz either they are working hard on finding out what the Phuk happened or they are to busy spending some loot recently deposited in there swiss bank accounts.
Post by: marcdaddy on May 18, 2007, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: spike4real on May 19, 2007, 12:16:00 AM
Has anyone been banned who modded their firmware BEFORE going on live?
I think this is the key.
I flashed my firmware way before going on live so when i get back home i'm going to give it a try. Haven't used it online for the last 2 months.
Anyone who has been banned, fill out this form and reply. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
DRIVE MAKE AND MODEL -
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? -
XBOX 360 MODEL -
example answers - ms28, no, core.
Post by: marcdaddy on May 19, 2007, 12:19:00 AM
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? - YES
XBOX 360 MODEL ELITE
NOT BANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 12:20:00 AM
QUOTE(marcdaddy @ May 19 2007, 07:08 AM)
Come to think of it, I MODDED MY ELITE 78K before i even activated my Live account and signed in, I did that just incase i couldnt mod the elite, So maybe there is something to it why im not banned, Not playing Backups online mind you or even with the network cable plugged in, Legit games work fine online. Crossing my fingers. I wont change anything, not gonna flash the drive i will leave everything be thats for sure.
I had a live account for my first year with it that ran out in March. I flashed my FW(5/13/07) and finally renewed my live the day the spring update came out. I am still not banned. It's not just a "marriage theory".
MS is attacking, trying to cover all bases. Think "Marriage theory" with "Random" with "Firmware ping" with "whatever the hell else they have".
This post has been edited by handles25: May 19 2007, 07:31 AM
Post by: Xx The 0ne xX on May 19, 2007, 12:21:00 AM
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? - no, flashed after had been on xbox live
XBOX 360 MODEL - premium
banned as of yesterday
Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 12:36:00 AM
QUOTE(spike4real @ May 19 2007, 12:16 AM)
Just to clear things up...
Has anyone been banned who modded their firmware BEFORE going on live?
I think this is the key.
I flashed my firmware way before going on live so when i get back home i'm going to give it a try. Haven't used it online for the last 2 months.
Anyone who has been banned, fill out this form and reply. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
DRIVE MAKE AND MODEL -
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? -
XBOX 360 MODEL -
example answers - ms28, no, core.
I'm thinking about testing this out. I honestly can't remember if I signed into live before I modded my elite or not (with a 78fk of course), but as far as I can remember, as soon as I got it I opened it up and modded it. Then again, maybe I can't remember shit because at the time of this writing it's friggin 3 in the morning. Anyway, I think it would really help to prove/disprove the 360 marriage theory (yes, that's what it's officiallly called now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) ) if people who modded their dvd drives before signing on live post the current status of their 360 on live. Currently this by far has the most evidence of being key to how MS is detecting modded firmwares by the few people who stated they're currently unbanned because they modded their dvd drive before signing on live, and the lack of people (currently 0) who have stated they've been banned even when modded before signing on live. If even one person states otherwise (that is honest at least), well, then I guess it's back to square 1. If not, then I think we've found MS's ways, which we've known about for years already in the first place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
edit: alright folks, it's time for me to tread the waters; i'm going to re-connect my wireless adapter and connect to live and see if im alive or dead in xboxliveland... ill report back in a few
This post has been edited by nuke field ET: May 19 2007, 07:40 AM
Post by: marcdaddy on May 19, 2007, 12:44:00 AM
Post by: bufferjg on May 19, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
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Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 12:46:00 AM
i'm alive and kickin on live! at least for now. i just had a backup version of crackdown in 5 minutes ago (offline of course), decided to throw in a regular copy of rainbow six, connected, and here i am sitting in a game lobby. i'll leave this running all day tomorrow to see if i get the death sentence or not, but currently, the 360 marriage theory is proving itself worthy, although we'll definately have to still wait and see.
Post by: Crashdogy on May 19, 2007, 12:46:00 AM
X-S Enthusiast
AFAIK, Microsoft can't read any part of your firmware if you have a Firmguard-based drive (MS28 comes to mind here), hence, there is no way for them to directly check those drives as modded. Somebody prove me wrong here, but when it requires a specific chipset and power cycling the drive itself to "kick in" the failsafe mode, I just can't see Microsoft figuring out a way to do it on an Xbox 360. Firmguard was made to prevent hackers from modding the drives, though it failed. Microsoft shot themselves int he foot, and since at least one type of drive is exempt, the baby goes with the bathwater in this case. I don't think they have a PRACTICAL way of DIRECTLY detecting firmware."
what do you guys think of this. Some have been ban but alot of them have not been ban ?
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Post by: bufferjg on May 19, 2007, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: wow on May 19, 2007, 12:54:00 AM
( I personally don't think they can check what kind of disk your running but are checking to see if your firmware on the drive has been changed since the update)
Post by: nytcrawlr on May 19, 2007, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 12:23:00 AM
insane idea, i know, but no one's tried it yet. i wonder if they can detect security sector changes on the disk, as i believe that's the only difference between authentic and backup discs. i probably won't try it tonight, but since i modded a friend's xbox as well, if and when i do try this and i'm banned, i'll simply switch xboxes since he hasn't even signed on live as of yet anyway
Post by: xnoelahg on May 19, 2007, 01:01:00 AM
System 1
Package - Core
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47DG
EEPROM Present - Yes
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.4
Flashed before joining LIVE
Status: Banned
System 2
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Hitach 47DJ
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 3
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Samsung MS25
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 4.2 or 5.2 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 4
Package - UNKNOWN
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47D_
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 5
Package - UNKNOWN
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47DH
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Active
System 6
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47D_(G, I believe)
EEPROM Present - No
Current firmware - 2.4
Spring update not applied
Status: Must apply spring update before connecting to LIVE
Current Z: 8015-1007
We really should compile a database regarding these. I believe the TSOP comes standard on every system, whether it uses it or not, but the EEPROM is present on at least one of the above that's banned, and isn't present on one that hasn't been spring updated yet, either.
Perhaps if all active units have no EEPROM, then that will be the key (to remove it) prior to updating, much like one should remove a particular resistor to avoid blowing efuses during updates.
Post by: Iron-B on May 19, 2007, 01:17:00 AM
Region NTSC
DVD-ROM Hitachi 78FK
Firmware: Extreme 1.6, flashed on december 06 before live, no firmware changed again.
Spring update was applied
Halo 3 beta: No, but i have a backup of crackdown.
Status: All ok.
Post by: hassle on May 19, 2007, 01:20:00 AM
--Premium console "launch console"
--originally had hitachi 47d was changed to samsung with ms25
--Samsung with xtreme 5.2a
--only play halo2 online and with real copy
--never played crackdown on system
--halo 3 with key (rule of 3)
--spring update the day after it came out
--flashed original hitachi in july 06' with birdy flasher
--upgraded to samsung in november 06' with xtreme 3.0
--upgrade to samsung ms25 xtreme 5.2a in january 07'
--havent played backup with network cable plugged in since
february 07' and never played OLM with backup
i hope the big guys figure something out
oh by the way im still not banned
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 01:23:00 AM
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ May 19 2007, 08:01 AM)
Here's results from me and friends. I'm gonna investigate the EEPROM presense theory, to see if not having one prior to everything could affect it.
System 1
Package - Core
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47DG
EEPROM Present - Yes
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.4
Flashed before joining LIVE
Status: Banned
System 2
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Hitach 47DJ
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 3
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/U
DVD-ROM - Samsung MS25
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 4.2 or 5.2 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 4
Package - UNKNOWN
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47D_
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Banned
System 5
Package - UNKNOWN
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47DH
EEPROM Present - UNKNOWN
Firmware when Spring update was applied - 2.3 (unchanged)
Status: Active
System 6
Package - Pro
Region - NTSC/J
DVD-ROM - Hitachi 47D_(G, I believe)
EEPROM Present - No
Current firmware - 2.4
Spring update not applied
Status: Must apply spring update before connecting to LIVE
Current Z: 8015-1007
We really should compile a database regarding these. I believe the TSOP comes standard on every system, whether it uses it or not, but the EEPROM is present on at least one of the above that's banned, and isn't present on one that hasn't been spring updated yet, either.
Perhaps if all active units have no EEPROM, then that will be the key (to remove it) prior to updating, much like one should remove a particular resistor to avoid blowing efuses during updates.
This is really interesting. This is why I think MS banned kind of randomly, they wanted to make this hard to figure out. The marriage theory on Xbox 1 was so easy to circumvent. Adding more varibles makes it really hard for the community to nail down the cause.
I've had a few beers, sorry about the spelling and grammer
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Post by: S4PH1RA on May 19, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Region - PAL
DVD-ROM - Samsung MS25
Modchip installed / no firmware
Don´t have Crackdown
Downloaded Halo 3 Beta with Key from Family and Friends Prog.
Status: Banned
system 2 from a friend:
Package - Premium
Region - PAL
DVD-ROM - Samsung MS25
firmware: 2.3
No Crackdown,No Halo 3 Beta, only playing RSV original sinds the SpringUpdate
Status: Banned
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Post by: xnoelahg on May 19, 2007, 12:52:00 AM
QUOTE(S4PH1RA @ May 19 2007, 08:25 AM)
Package - Premium
Region - PAL
DVD-ROM - Samsung MS25
Modchip installed / no firmware
Status: Banned
Wow, I believe you're the first I've heard mention of a banned chip. Is it the NME?
Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 01:31:00 AM
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ May 19 2007, 01:28 AM)
Wow, I believe you're the first I've heard mention of a banned chip. Is it the NME?
i know it's almost impossible to read the ten million pages on this topic, but if you flip through, you'll find that quite a few people on here with modchips reported getting banned. This is already well known.
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on May 19, 2007, 12:58:00 AM
I hate Sony with a passion, but in all honesty, i might consider a PS3 if what said above happens. As i've said earlier, i dont know if im banned. I have a 46DH(came w/system) w/2.4 updated after spring update. And i also have a dev drive(MS09) flashed with X3.1 from a while back. If i did attempt to log on, i would probably use the Sammy. What also bothers me is that the media capabilities such as streaming are gone once they ban you as well from what i've read. I never even connect to LIVE while streaming from my PC...So WTF does that have to do with it?!? PffffT
Post by: marcdaddy on May 19, 2007, 01:34:00 AM
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Post by: gui1e on May 19, 2007, 01:38:00 AM
Core system with HDD
Ms28 spoofing a Hitachi47
Firmware 5.3C (updated from 5.2c before spring update)
Never played a backup on live only my original games. Since spring update on played xbl arcade games while connected to live.
Post by: TheReaper4221 on May 19, 2007, 01:08:00 AM
QUOTE(marcdaddy @ May 19 2007, 08:34 AM)
Buddy IMed me and said his brother ( who is working for activision ) heard that upcoming xbox as well as ps3 and Wii titles will have their own embedded unique serial number in every game ( might be implemented in certain titles ) so if there are copies floating around anyone caught with a duplicate online at the same time will be shut down, This is kinda going the way of PC titles except you wont even know your own key it will be hidden and you will never have to enter it.
Sounds like the DNAS protection that a lot of PS2 titles had. It was cracked though so I wouldn't be to worried about it.
Post by: tutu on May 19, 2007, 01:45:00 AM
I can still sign in this morning. Will I still be banned?
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Post by: S4PH1RA on May 19, 2007, 01:48:00 AM
QUOTE(tutu @ May 19 2007, 09:45 AM)
I was at work when this all kicked off. I came home and restored my original firmware.
I can still sign in this morning. Will I still be banned?
Maybe,
i had my modchip turned off all the time
Now im banned f*ck ^^
Now its like xbox 1 time : 1 console for offline play and the other for online play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 01:15:00 AM
QUOTE(marcdaddy @ May 19 2007, 08:34 AM)
Buddy IMed me and said his brother ( who is working for activision ) heard that upcoming xbox as well as ps3 and Wii titles will have their own embedded unique serial number in every game ( might be implemented in certain titles ) so if there are copies floating around anyone caught with a duplicate online at the same time will be shut down, This is kinda going the way of PC titles except you wont even know your own key it will be hidden and you will never have to enter it.
How would the Wii update/check the firmware? Nintendo has no carrot swinging in front of you (like Live) and third party publishers are still not privy as to how Nintendo is going to implement online play.
QUOTE(S4PH1RA @ May 19 2007, 08:48 AM)
Maybe,
i had my modchip turned off all the time
Now im banned f*ck ^^
Now its like xbox 1 time : 1 console for offline play and the other for online play
QFT
Post by: spike4real on May 19, 2007, 01:57:00 AM
We need some data so we can at least figure out what M$ are using to ban people.
EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN BANNED, PLEASE FILL OUT THE BELOW QUESTIONS AND REPLY.
DRIVE MAKE AND MODEL -
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? -
XBOX 360 MODEL -
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 02:00:00 AM
QUOTE(spike4real @ May 19 2007, 08:57 AM)
Come on scene,
We need some data so we can at least figure out what M$ are using to ban people.
EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN BANNED, PLEASE FILL OUT THE BELOW QUESTIONS AND REPLY.
DRIVE MAKE AND MODEL -
FLASHED BEFORE GOING ON LIVE? -
XBOX 360 MODEL -
This has been done. The pattern is... there is no pattern.
You luck out or you don't.
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Post by: spike4real on May 19, 2007, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(marcdaddy @ May 19 2007, 01:34 AM)
Buddy IMed me and said his brother ( who is working for activision ) heard that upcoming xbox as well as ps3 and Wii titles will have their own embedded unique serial number in every game ( might be implemented in certain titles ) so if there are copies floating around anyone caught with a duplicate online at the same time will be shut down, This is kinda going the way of PC titles except you wont even know your own key it will be hidden and you will never have to enter it.
not feasible/logical at all whatsoever. Reason being, theoretically (and no I'm not condoning this, just stating a situation) someone with a modded firmware can rent one of these new games from blockbuster and make a copy of it and play online with it, and when someone else rents the authentic copy and goes online, this logic implies that both people's 360's will be banned. It'll cause all hell to break loose business-wise with blockbuster or any other game rental company, so I seriously doubt they'll implement this.
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(spike4real @ May 19 2007, 09:02 AM)
Quite simply, there is a pattern. We just don't know it. Negativity is not the way forward.
I want to agree with you, but this time I think MS got us all good.
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Post by: ssjtrunks20xl on May 19, 2007, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: xa-rev on May 19, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
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Post by: nuke field ET on May 19, 2007, 01:29:00 AM
QUOTE(handles25 @ May 19 2007, 02:00 AM)
This has been done. The pattern is... there is no pattern.
You luck out or you don't.
actually, the only clear cut pattern we've all seen so far is people modding their firmware before their 360 is signed into live... none of those 360s have been banned yet (including my own), which if this stays true in the coming days/weeks/months, we'll have another distinct marriage theory.
so unless someone can say otherwise, seems like MS is going the same route with the 360.
Post by: spike4real on May 19, 2007, 01:32:00 AM
We're the biggest 360 scene around - if anyone can help get around this - WE CAN.
Post by: bobsyeruncle on May 19, 2007, 02:09:00 AM
Right, can anybody remember the fall update when people got the E66 error if they had a modified firmware? They have obviously had something up their sleeves back then but nobody got banned and you could flash to another FW or back to standard and your 360 worked fine.
QUOTE
Well we got a bit more details, courtesy Commodore4eva, about the Error 66 some users with modified DVD firmwares got after the Fall 2006 Xbox360 Update.
It looks like Microsoft has implemented 'DVD DEVICE' and 'DVD VERSION' control in the new kernel, a bit similar to the Windows XP/VISTA device upgrade check!
Apparently Microsoft stores the original stock factory drive/version somewhere on the 360, and with the new Fall06 kernel it will give the user an E66 if it detects a drive model or firmware version change.
Update1: it's possible that the hardware info has been stored on the 360 at a later time, like during a previous update, rather than stored from the beginning/factory.
Update2: Apparently MS has been storing drive info on consoles manufactured starting around end of May/begin of June 2006. Consoles made before that date will probably work with any drive model/version. Updated all news below with this new info.
It looks like Microsoft has implemented 'DVD DEVICE' and 'DVD VERSION' control in the new kernel, a bit similar to the Windows XP/VISTA device upgrade check!
Apparently Microsoft stores the original stock factory drive/version somewhere on the 360, and with the new Fall06 kernel it will give the user an E66 if it detects a drive model or firmware version change.
Update1: it's possible that the hardware info has been stored on the 360 at a later time, like during a previous update, rather than stored from the beginning/factory.
Update2: Apparently MS has been storing drive info on consoles manufactured starting around end of May/begin of June 2006. Consoles made before that date will probably work with any drive model/version. Updated all news below with this new info.
I am wondering if people who are getting banned have changed their FW since the fall update? I definatly think this Marriage theory seems the most realistic.
So what everyone needs to know is:
Have you not changed your FW since the Fall Update and been banned?
Did you change your FW before ever going on live and been banned?
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 02:10:00 AM
QUOTE(nuke field ET @ May 19 2007, 09:05 AM)
actually, the only clear cut pattern we've all seen so far is people modding their firmware before their 360 is signed into live... none of those 360s have been banned yet (including my own), which if this stays true in the coming days/weeks/months, we'll have another distinct marriage theory.
so unless someone can say otherwise, seems like MS is going the same route with the 360.
God I hope you are right, but that idea goes against what I am running ATM. First time I signed into Live it was with legit FM and when I renewed on the 13th of this month I had modified FW and I'm not banned yet.
Should I try to get online with a backup and see if I get banned?
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Post by: xnoelahg on May 19, 2007, 01:35:00 AM
QUOTE(xa-rev @ May 19 2007, 09:05 AM)
Can't be, because my friend's banned 360 has had the same firmware in it since he got it.
Post by: DrPepperFan15 on May 19, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
Everybody who uses modified firmware or anybody who messed around with the dvd drive in any way can and will now get banned. The next update to come will have yet another layer of security to make sure piracy over live is to be put to death.
I like how MS is running things. I'm happy with my 360 having some lights in there and a clear case but nothing further on. I posted in page 1 saying I didnt get banned... still not banned with stock drive. The debate for the firmware mods is a big one since not many people actually use legit backups anymore these days so the piracy is the main reason and MS seen to it to take action whether piracy or not so stop bitching.
All I have to say is, you agreed to the terms of service and such and in one of those documents says not to use modified or hacked content so this is the consequence so if you got banned dont bitch about it.
Post by: whiteevo6 on May 19, 2007, 02:12:00 AM
Very strange this. I rang MS here in Australia and they mentioned nothing about people being banned, he suggested maybe live is being updated and thats why i cannot connect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: handles25 on May 19, 2007, 02:14:00 AM
QUOTE(DrPepperFan15 @ May 19 2007, 09:12 AM)
simply put...
Everybody who uses modified firmware or anybody who messed around with the dvd drive in any way can and will now get banned. The next update to come will have yet another layer of security to make sure piracy over live is to be put to death.
I like how MS is running things. I'm happy with my 360 having some lights in there and a clear case but nothing further on. I posted in page 1 saying I didnt get banned... still not banned with stock drive. The debate for the firmware mods is a big one since not many people actually use legit backups anymore these days so the piracy is the main reason and MS seen to it to take action whether piracy or not so stop bitching.
All I have to say is, you agreed to the terms of service and such and in one of those documents says not to use modified or hacked content so this is the consequence so if you got banned dont bitch about it.
I agree, but we decided to put these "you bad pirates" replys in some less important thread. We all knew what we were dealing with, and getting banned from live is a good deterant, but we still all want to know how MS did it. How did they ban it all short of a few?
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Post by: Crashdogy on May 19, 2007, 02:16:00 AM
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Post by: xnoelahg on May 19, 2007, 01:48:00 AM
QUOTE(DrPepperFan15 @ May 19 2007, 09:12 AM)
simply put...
Everybody who uses modified firmware or anybody who messed around with the dvd drive in any way can and will now get banned. The next update to come will have yet another layer of security to make sure piracy over live is to be put to death.
I like how MS is running things. I'm happy with my 360 having some lights in there and a clear case but nothing further on. I posted in page 1 saying I didnt get banned... still not banned with stock drive. The debate for the firmware mods is a big one since not many people actually use legit backups anymore these days so the piracy is the main reason and MS seen to it to take action whether piracy or not so stop bitching.
All I have to say is, you agreed to the terms of service and such and in one of those documents says not to use modified or hacked content so this is the consequence so if you got banned dont bitch about it.
Yes, but when MS addressed the issue (or more appropriately, Major Nelson), it was stated that it was to prevent cheating. Modified firmware doesn't allow cheating, and it gives all of us a bad name now, and instantly brandishes us as 'pirates', without a fair assment. If it's over backups, they should have stated that. The vast majority of users at the xbox forums are convinced that modified firmware allows users to run unsigned code on their system, giving that user an unfair advantage, which is simply not true.
Some are also unaware of a large difference between the 'firmware ban' for the 360, and bans on the Xbox 1, which is the signature was available for the Xbox 1; it's not for the 360.
Still, I agree that if they want to ensure people are using their original copies on LIVE, they should be allowed. "It's perfectly understandishible". My only reason for concern is that grouping pirates and modders in this way will hurt the communty's developement for the homebrew front.
Post by: regeli on May 19, 2007, 01:51:00 AM
MFR Date: 2006-04-13
DVD-ROM: MS25
- Connected to XBL before firmware hacking.
- Upgrade the firmware from 4.2, 5.0, 5.2 and 5.3.
- Srive is spoofed to MS25.
- Installed spring update with 5.3A firmware.
- Played Crackdown backup a long time.
- Downloaded Halo 3 Beta, played around 5 hours.
- Played Heavy Weapon (Arcade) last time.
- Yesterday I tried to connect to XBL, Banned.
I had always upgraded to the latest Kernel version.
Have tried to reflash the drive to the original firmware and log in to XBL. Not a chance!
Reflashed the drive again with 5.3C, still banned.
My theory: Maybe the console do some hash check on the drive. Disc ID? Sounds expensive to me.
Note: In the last days, Crackdown used a very long time to sign in to the profile in the start menu.
Possible checks?
Post by: nytcrawlr on May 19, 2007, 02:31:00 AM
Post by: xnoelahg on May 19, 2007, 01:57:00 AM
QUOTE(justanothermember @ May 19 2007, 09:28 AM)
just to let people know
my premium 360 was made 05/2006
i am not banned as yet.
never signed onto live before flash
i have testing connecting to live using the original unmodded hitachi 59dj drive and also with my samsung ms25 drive with 5.3d jitter fix fw spoofed to report as hitachi with no problems
surely if m$ checked for changes in fw before banning i should also be banned by using 2 different drives in one xbox as the two different firmwares would have different hashes
i have also played halo beta from scene release of crackdown
another way m$ could be banning some ppl could be when a lot of ppl advertise their gamertag on certain hacking forums, all m$ would need to do was check which xbox that person was using the majority of the time and ban it couldnt they?
just a thought, but you get some idiots boasting on how many games theyve ripped off and never payed for any and have their gamertag advertised.
Two problems with that:
1) Users would have all their consoles banned, but there are many reports of people who have more than one having one affected, and one unaffected.
2) That would result in a ban of the user's account, or a ban based on IP (or both), especially considering that a gamertag is portable, so if they ban the account, they ban that user from using LIVE.
Post by: justanothermember on May 19, 2007, 02:37:00 AM
QUOTE(nytcrawlr @ May 19 2007, 09:31 AM)
I forget which post I read this in, but so far the most likely theory in my mind would be information gathered via disc-jitter checking which may have been implemented for some time, perhaps as far back as the fall update. It seems from the posts I've read, users with consoles in which the new disc-jitter featured fw is the first fw flashed to the drive have so far not been banned. I bought an elite and placed the 5.3C firmware on an ms-25 before ever connecting it to Live and pulling down the spring update, but afterwards I did so and succesffuly played the Halo 3 beta for quite a few hours. In a day or so if this particular theory pans out, I'll fire it up and see if the ban hammer smashes me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
my samsung had been flashed in my old dead console a few times until i lost my dvd key.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
i would say this is the fifth time it was flashed.....
Post by: wietje on May 19, 2007, 02:38:00 AM
Got the first hitachi firmware on it, played live before I flashed.
Nothing wrong here, still can play on live.
Post by: VDKNL on May 19, 2007, 02:51:00 AM
Heres my story. We had no idea they had found a way to ban us. So we called box live supprt this morning and they came up with this BS story about our account beind a fraud. We are in The Netherlands with a US account. Surpising that it took them almost a year to ban us for having a US account in Europe. I went online and ame about this site, and found some pretty shocking newsflashes. So, wuts up with this? Microsoft tells us that we are banned because of that reason, while I now believe that its really our flash card. I am pretty pissed off...went to put it online for sale today aswell, but too bad, everyone is trying the same, so I doubt we will get a reasonable price for it.
just another story.
Post by: l Blu ray l on May 19, 2007, 02:21:00 AM
QUOTE(nuke field ET @ May 19 2007, 09:05 AM)
actually, the only clear cut pattern we've all seen so far is people modding their firmware before their 360 is signed into live... none of those 360s have been banned yet (including my own), which if this stays true in the coming days/weeks/months, we'll have another distinct marriage theory.
so unless someone can say otherwise, seems like MS is going the same route with the 360.
one of my friends has got his 360 months ago, even before fall update, he flashed his console in the first moment ( this was the first and last fw change ) and then connecting to Live and so on ... he is Banned since yesterday!
Post by: ruudonline on May 19, 2007, 03:00:00 AM
System: Core
Drive: Hitachi 47
Man. date: december 2005
Last firmware update: november 2006
Firmware/flash tool: Maximus-Garyopa_XTRM-HITACHI_v2_2_Stealth 8in1
Played on live before flash: Yes
Played crackdown: NO
Played HALO3-beta: NO
Not played on live since end of april I think.
Today I connected my xbox on live and tested connection:
It was telling a new update was available, z-code before spring was: 8015-1918
I did the spring-update, could sign in on live.
Z-code after update was: 8015-1918
No problem for me sofar. I just disconnected and will have a look tomorrow (I will update this post).
Post by: rabbitstroker on May 19, 2007, 03:10:00 AM
flashed to 5.3d after i dl the update, 5.2d when i updated to dl forza2 demo.
just logged into live, as of yet not banned, played crackdown offline a few month ago, only ever played burnout and project gotham online with backups, havent played a game on live for over 4 months,
silver account
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 03:11:00 AM
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ May 19 2007, 03:11 PM)
Can't be, because my friend's banned 360 has had the same firmware in it since he got it.
Was that stealthed tho ??
Could be the contents of that post as the basic theory but that early non stealth drives also reporting..
Post by: evans05 on May 19, 2007, 03:38:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on May 19, 2007, 03:46:00 AM
Let me make this clear.
Come in here and admit to playing Pirate games and you are banned from here as well as live.
Come in here and post to the world about breaking Xbox Live Terms of Service (playing backups on live) you will get a posting restriction at minimum
Do the above with a gamercard in your signature and when the thread is checked through by who so ever wishes from whatever corporation, they have the details they need to Ban your account not just your console.
Do not make posts in here about Retail fraud either.
The members who have made duplicate accounts or new ones, just to post something they know will get them kicked from here and who believe their original account is safe, will also find out differently.
The Mods on here will get round to you as we go through all 50 pages here.
If your post appears to be gone you can expect a PM and be assured that a strike has been added to your account.
The thread is in danger of being locked with what has been and is still is going on
This post has been edited by Chancer: May 19 2007, 10:50 AM
Post by: cmart* on May 19, 2007, 03:47:00 AM
200 Xbox 360s listed and counting.
Post by: dromiderry on May 19, 2007, 03:48:00 AM
Post by: smittykoi on May 19, 2007, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: Midnight Tboy on May 19, 2007, 04:05:00 AM
Has anyone been banned who flashed their 360 once and only once before they even used the 360, ie straight out of the box?
My sammy old machine ringed out on me but my new box with hitachi 78 I modded it before I even booted up for the first time. (with the pre jitter fw)
As of yet, I havent dl'd the spring update, and cant til next week at least as I have to go away for a week, but be interesting to hear if anyone has or hasnt had a straight-outta-box flash done and been banned?
Post by: scott47 on May 19, 2007, 04:05:00 AM
Just a thought....
This post has been edited by scott47: May 19 2007, 11:10 AM
Post by: Avenger 2.0 on May 19, 2007, 03:35:00 AM
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on May 19, 2007, 03:41:00 AM
Theres a logical "rolling ban" theory, Microsoft are moving down the list of flagged consoles, banning one by one, making it seemingly random as noone knows the order
It only annoys me the people with original online are being banned, not fair, but using flashed drives breaks the xbox live contract signed when joined thus you are stuck
Post by: rjtd on May 19, 2007, 04:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ May 19 2007, 11:11 AM)
Just thinking here, but if MS really wanted, they could put a check into every new game, making your banned xbox 360 useless. That would be scary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
IMO, with the new jitter patch, they can't distinguish originals from pirated copies.
That is why they do not stop games from running. You paid from a console, so they are not allowed to stop you from playing originals, even if your drive is modded. And given that they can't say for sure if a game is original or not, they can't stop the game from booting. With live, they can because it clearly state on their agreement that modded consoles will be banned. Also, technically it is easier to do so. I guess they started banning by comparing the game IDs that are surelly sent to MS, when on live. For example, your gamercard has all the games you played, with archievements.
So, probably the people that are banned played games downloaded scene releases, that had their serial number/game id blacklisted. People that run their home made backups are not banned, because of them not being blacklisted. They compared the serial/game ID with the scene release, and dang: BAN!
This post has been edited by rjtd: May 19 2007, 11:23 AM
Post by: modbox_ on May 19, 2007, 03:47:00 AM
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on May 19, 2007, 04:28:00 AM
I also saw stated that the game disc could have unique IDs now (or have had) and that it would be impossible to ban anyone being they can rent the games from Gamefly, Blockbuster, ect.. You also have to remember that places like GameStop, EB, and even EBay sell used games. There also is the case where say your buddy hates a game and gives it away. so that would be very bad if they banned people if the game has been used on multi systems.
Though when a game is released to the scene that game is being used on live by multiple people so in that case if MS does see that Gears Of War with the unique ID of 1234567890 is being played online by 50,000 people at the same time... then im sure that would be a no brainer for MS to ban anyone using it. MS can and could be downloading all these scene releases and flagging those ID's (if they are unique in each game) just like how they flagged the XP keys in the SP1/2 updates.
I'm actually glad to see MS is doing something about piracy. Piracy can kill game developers and or just make them not care about putting content out cause everyone is not buying them. I have yet to buy a game that has become a dust collector thanks to XBL now having demos for most of the games. And yea legit backups I can see the point, having a nephew that broke my PGR3 disc, I wished I would have had a backup.. but thanks to MS's replacement program I got a new disc. If only they could get ALL the games on this program there would be no need for legit backups. If only they could work out a deal with say GameStop/EB so that you could just walk in a get a replacement... hint.. hint..
Make sure you tell your friends that if they are thinking about getting a 360 on EBay to maybe think twice. I'm sure there will be a lot of systems that will be sold that are banned..
Post by: DeMoN_DARREN on May 19, 2007, 03:54:00 AM
1 - An annoucement from someone who knows whats going on, no offence to us, but 90%+ of us (including me) have little to know idea whats going on. Most people are looking for patterns with popular details such as flashed drive model, live playing, flashed firmware etc, when it could easily be FAR deeper
2 - Time, its going to take it and Microsoft has the upper hand, always will do
Post by: Mega_mil on May 19, 2007, 04:33:00 AM
QUOTE(quenlin @ May 18 2007, 10:11 PM)
reading more and more of these posts, i find that the 'legitimate backup' people get on my nerves alot more than the 'i'm stealing your shit' people.
at least the thieving people are what they are. they're here, they're stealing and they're honest about it and they don't give a shit what you think. they also seem to be the people least likely to whine about being banned. they played the game, took the risk, got caught, and accepted the punishment.
but am i the only one who finds the legit backup people tiresome? yes, i know you have fair use rights and blah blah blah, but i've been reading about this shit for years and years with these people who seem to think that their original disc is made out of tissue paper and everything must be backed up immediately because if it gets even a spec of dust on it it will be rendered unusable and irreplaceable.
1 - in the two decades that i've been handling discs of all types, i cannot remember even a single instance where i managed to scratch a disc so badly that i could not use it anymore. i've either been unbelievably lucky, or i'm actually handling and storing them correctly.
2 - to all those parents out there, no, your small child should not have access to anything that they have the potential to destroy. if you don't think they can care for it, teach them to care for it. if you don't think you can teach them to care for it, either keep it from them until they can or don't have kids. your choice. when you go out to buy a couch, and you bring it home, you can't 'back up' your couch, can you? what do you do then? allow your kids to destroy it? no, of course not.
+1 After reading all of this, I can only laugh at most of the post on here. man, I didn't think people would be sooo mad about being banned when we had to experience this with the first xbox.
Post by: neonmod on May 19, 2007, 04:12:00 AM
Anyone tried this, who doesn't know if they're banned?
Post by: Dracuger on May 19, 2007, 04:50:00 AM
also i would like the thank www.xboxscene.com and all its admins for keeping us all up to date so quickly after shit hit the fan.
EDIT BY CHANCER
Yes luckily we are getting to the bottom of all the posts on Piracy etc. Your 2 blatant ones were amongst them. You won't be back
and also to Commodore4eva! u rock man, thanks for all the hours and work you've put tryin to keep up with M$ and giving so much to all of us thanks alot.
last i would also like to add that Commodore4eva doesn't owe us anything, nor do any other modders out there... if anyone is upset, or mad, or has anything bad to say about them, get ur lazy leeching ass off this forum, and so find a new hack yourself... and don't expect everything to be given to you.
I'm logging off now, i'll be checking back from time to time everyone, take care all.
This post has been edited by Chancer: May 19 2007, 12:45 PM
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on May 19, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(neonmod @ May 19 2007, 11:48 AM)
Some guy in another thread suggested to disconnect the 360 DVD sata cable and connect to live, to safely see if you were indeed banned.
Anyone tried this, who doesn't know if they're banned?
Once your 360's serial is banned it doesn't matter what you do.
It's banned..
Edit: Wrong quote..
This post has been edited by ---=Snyper=---: May 19 2007, 11:52 AM
Post by: neonmod on May 19, 2007, 04:55:00 AM
This post has been edited by neonmod: May 19 2007, 11:56 AM
Post by: wevie666 on May 19, 2007, 04:27:00 AM
Another Theory:
Microsoft released a modified backup of a game and put it on many torrent-sites. When this game goes online, Microsoft did notice it and have flagged your console. (remember the fake Half Life 2 backups)
Post by: sudo911 on May 19, 2007, 04:33:00 AM
Only noticed the posts this morning in relation to the bannings, but did not use Live since before the Srping update. I have 5.2 of the firmware. I powered on the 360 today and went to sign in to LIVE without any games in the xbox. I got a failure signing into Live, and when I went to test the connection I got a pass for all of the tests, other than xbox live. There was no screen saying I was banned, and a blank dialog box. There was an option for the status codes alright.
It's no confirmation that I have been banned, although the fact that I cannot sign into Live is bad. I never did the Spring Update, downloaded Halo3 beta, or successfully played Crackdown online.
Any thoughts? Is it just Live is down now?
Sudo911.
Post by: CameronG on May 19, 2007, 04:33:00 AM
Cant believe whats happening....! my console has yet to be banned. Is there a way i can find out without actually banning it? My best guess is that Ms has been making a list of all games you have played backup and original and then just gathered all the info and banned everyone
Or monitering your firmware since fall/spring update to see any changes
Post by: rjtd on May 19, 2007, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: sudo911 on May 19, 2007, 05:21:00 AM
Sudo911.
Post by: ChadH on May 19, 2007, 05:21:00 AM
A few people have mentioned disk speed which I think might be the most likely cause. Suppose that some recent games have an additional bit of code that times how long it takes for the intro screen (for example) to load. If the drive is running slower than before, then that would take longer to load, and indicate a backup is being run.
However, suppose somebody is running that same game (original this time) on a non modified 360, but the disk is a bit grubby. The intro may take longer to load due to the slightly dirty disk (dirty enough to slow the process down, but not too dirty that the box throws up a dirty disk error), and therefore the box is assumed to be modified.
I've heard rumour that Microsoft are unbanning consoles, which probably indicates that whatever method they are using is bit on the flaky side. For anyone who is banned, I would recommend phonin, and trying to get your box unbanned. Deny all knowledge of a modification, and see whether they will unban you. If they do, then we know that they're still unable to specifically detect the modification, and are using methods that give them a rough idea - something that they'd have to stop doing in case they ban non modified consoles again.
Post by: sudo911 on May 19, 2007, 04:52:00 AM
Anyone feeling paranoid????
Sudo911.
Post by: MrPacE on May 19, 2007, 05:36:00 AM
1 - Reflash firmware to original = reports of banned boxes
2 - Jitter Detection firmware installed = banned boxes if it has or hasn't been installed
3 - Modded AFTER the Spring update = boxes banned
Not one set of 'specifics' is sticking out... no matter what firmware you have, when it was modded etc etc there seems to have been a box banned in all 'groups'. Perhaps they are rolling out the ban's in alphabetical order ?
There does seem to be a lot of talk about people playing back-ups of Crackdown though. Now this is the bit that concerns me. Although I've not played it, my son does. He never goes 'online' with it, but needless to say the xbox signs into Live when it's turned on. And why Crackdown? I've unplugged my xbox from Live, it's not been signed in since Tuesday and I think Lost Planets was the last game to be played. Hope it becomes clearer soon.
Post by: ---=Snyper=--- on May 19, 2007, 05:02:00 AM
QUOTE(rjtd @ May 19 2007, 12:18 PM)
Was anyone banned without having the Spring update?
You have to have the update to even login to XBL.
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 05:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Midnight Tboy @ May 19 2007, 05:05 PM)
one thing I'm wondering, kinda tying in with the Jarua theory that seems to be the most probable one.
Has anyone been banned who flashed their 360 once and only once before they even used the 360, ie straight out of the box?
My sammy old machine ringed out on me but my new box with hitachi 78 I modded it before I even booted up for the first time. (with the pre jitter fw)
As of yet, I havent dl'd the spring update, and cant til next week at least as I have to go away for a week, but be interesting to hear if anyone has or hasnt had a straight-outta-box flash done and been banned?
That would be me also.. Machine sold pre modded with a sammy drive last sept.. No way to know what FW they used..
Fall update but not spring..
As of yet not banned according to the network connection test.. It offers me the spring update..
Maybe I will get banned later, maybe the spring update will trigger it (tho I wont be applying that to see if any fixes come up).. Live technically doesnt exist in my country so not so bothered..
Post by: Mana on May 19, 2007, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 05:15:00 AM
QUOTE(---=Snyper=--- @ May 19 2007, 06:38 PM)
You have to have the update to even login to XBL.
Yes but it would seem that if you do a network test and it offers you a spring update as it tries to sign you in and test.. That your not banned.. Banned consoles just fail the test without a prompt to update the dash..
I am pre spring update on an unknown samsung.. I appear as yet to not be banned..
Post by: MickRick on May 19, 2007, 05:55:00 AM
The kids have been playing Viva Pinata and Shrek The Third this morning with the console logged on to Live. Still no ban here. WTF is happening????
Post by: SirPablo on May 19, 2007, 05:57:00 AM
QUOTE(MickRick @ May 19 2007, 12:55 PM)
*** UPDATE 2 ***
The kids have been playing Viva Pinata and Shrek The Third this morning with the console logged on to Live. Still no ban here. WTF is happening????
Mick I have a theory, check this topic out
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603956
Let me knwo if your in that situation
Tar
Pabs
Post by: Foozler on May 19, 2007, 05:59:00 AM
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 05:25:00 AM
QUOTE(sudo911 @ May 19 2007, 06:09 PM)
Only noticed the posts this morning in relation to the bannings, but did not use Live since before the Srping update. I have 5.2 of the firmware. I powered on the 360 today and went to sign in to LIVE without any games in the xbox. I got a failure signing into Live, and when I went to test the connection I got a pass for all of the tests, other than xbox live. There was no screen saying I was banned, and a blank dialog box. There was an option for the status codes alright.
It's no confirmation that I have been banned, although the fact that I cannot sign into Live is bad. I never did the Spring Update, downloaded Halo3 beta, or successfully played Crackdown online.
Any thoughts? Is it just Live is down now?
Sudo911.
Compare your error codes with the ban codes.. Simple no ??
Post by: SirPablo on May 19, 2007, 05:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Foozler @ May 19 2007, 12:59 PM)
I can't help but think that the "flashed with firmguard before going on live" theory might have some merit. At least that is the case for me. I had flashed with firmguard right out of the box. I have since updated to 2.4 and am not banned as of yet.
Any chance you can post that on my topic, just so we can keep all the info in one place with regard the theory, Thanks
Post by: chemicalthunder on May 19, 2007, 06:05:00 AM
My theory is that the first time you logged on, live would have got your details, if these have changed, or are not correct to what the box should be, you're probably banned. Sure there's always some mistakes, how many consoles do they brick with updates? My brother is on his third xbox. The last one was screwed with an update, and wont boot now.
I'm pretty sure the biggest computer software corporation in the world would be able to employ someone to figure out how to find boxes that are running pirated software.
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(rjtd @ May 19 2007, 06:18 PM)
Was anyone banned without having the Spring update?
Yes there is a vid out there showing a pre spring update kernal and the live banned error codes..
Post by: rjtd on May 19, 2007, 06:12:00 AM
Previously to this ban, there was no real advantage of having the original game, so nobody was compelled to buy them, and that was really bad for developers and MS, so I can undestand that they were pissed of with it.
Now, with the ban, more people will start buying games, and the developers and MS will be happier, and modders us alone. There is now a real advantage to stay "legal", and people now have to decide (it's no longer a always-win situation).
That way no part will win 100% the game. MS gets 50% for banning on live, while modders get 50% for being allowed to play backups.
This post has been edited by rjtd: May 19 2007, 01:20 PM
Post by: PeterMesh on May 19, 2007, 06:05:00 AM
Both have been flashed for over a year now, and i update them both with the newest firmware. Recently i put a samsung 25 into the hitachi xbox since that drive was playing up, and emulated it to be a hitachi 59. I have played halo 3 on both xbox and nothing has happened yet. I upgraded the xbox360's BEFORE i updated to the spring dash.
Reports have been given of NEW unflashed machines getting banned. So noone is really sure about the banning of how, why and what procedures MS are doing in conjunction with banning .. to me it seems very random and blaming the ban on halo 3. Has it ever occured it may be due to the fact that you may be playing early games that never had the stealth or other information integrated into the copies. This may also be a factor. I am staying clear of ealier games which dont have the files needed to emulate an original game.
Just a thought ... and letting you know that i am still up and running ... FOR NOW!!!
)Peace
Post by: dinzy on May 19, 2007, 06:17:00 AM
QUOTE(bourke @ May 19 2007, 01:02 PM)
OK, I have emailed a few hundred of my 360 customers and from a brief sample of responses this is what seems most likely:
1. Microsoft definitely detected back-up disc usage long before the Spring updates and compiled a list of console IDs.
2. Microsoft is now selectively banning from this list in waves (possibly as a ruse to disperse suspicion about what exactly it is they are detecting).
Here is an example of one customer's scenario:
1. Played back-ups until about two (2) months ago and then the Xbox died (3RoD).
2. Flashed console back to original firmware.
3. Replaced warranty sticker with new undamaged one (this is my specialty!)
4. Sent the console in under warranty and had it serviced (last month).
5. Console came back, still remaining unmodded.
6. Went on Live yesterday - immediately banned!
There you go - if you played back-ups two months ago you are !@#$ed!
It has NOTHING to do with what firmware you had during the recent updates!
Possibly what they detect is unstealthed back-ups - as a high percentage out there are still unstealthed! (amongst other things they could check for).
Or the 360 could store it's error codes and report being booted w/o DVD SATA hooked up on several occasions. If this is what they were checking perhaps they forgot to delist the repaired consoles from the ban list.
Or they just detected the firmware before and logged that.
Or there was one game with a scene release that was a plant and his console was logged because he palyed it.
Or he had a savegame for a game that was leaked early or PAL game that was not region locked and clearly unobtainable in the US so quickly.
Or M$ just doesn't like the guy.
Or a tons of other possible reasons. 1 case does not prove anything, nor does your logic necessarily follow from the facts of that case. Nobody knows what happened and that is why this is an interesting little puzzle to solve.
Post by: bourke on May 19, 2007, 06:30:00 AM
QUOTE(dinzy @ May 19 2007, 10:53 PM)
Or the 360 could store it's error codes and report being booted w/o DVD SATA hooked up on several occasions. If this is what they were checking perhaps they forgot to delist the repaired consoles from the ban list.
Impossible - all of my customers have the drives flashed using the Xecuter power adaptor - no console is ever turned on without the DVD drive attached! Sorry you're wrong there.
QUOTE(dinzy @ May 19 2007, 10:53 PM)
Or they just detected the firmware before and logged that.
QUOTE(dinzy @ May 19 2007, 10:53 PM)
Or there was one game with a scene release that was a plant and his console was logged because he palyed it.
QUOTE(dinzy @ May 19 2007, 10:53 PM)
Or a tons of other possible reasons. 1 case does not prove anything, nor does your logic necessarily follow from the facts of that case. Nobody knows what happened and that is why this is an interesting little puzzle to solve.
Post by: MourningWood on May 19, 2007, 07:08:00 AM
I've been getting a hold of customers and not one of them has told me they are banned yet. When ever I flash I used the Xecuter kit just to power the drive hence the 360 is never turned on without the drive connected. One of them I even modded a couple days prior to the update and again with 5.3A a day before the update.
On another note, my had been done the same way and BAN. The only difference is that mine has been done since last October.
Post by: Phat Phreddy on May 19, 2007, 06:34:00 AM
QUOTE(bourke @ May 19 2007, 08:06 PM)
No, we back-up all games ourselves.
WOW so you can know with absolute certainty EVERY game that has ever been put into a console for the entire life of that console !! Impressed..
BTW name calling when people are just brainstorming impresses no one..
Post by: Chancer on May 19, 2007, 07:19:00 AM
QUOTE
Replaced warranty sticker with new undamaged one (this is my specialty!)
Sent the console in under warranty and had it serviced (last month)
Sent the console in under warranty and had it serviced (last month)
Proud of committing Fraud are you bourke.
Spouting crap like that one here and despite warnings no 2 pages ago. Not very clever.
Post by: modbox_ on May 19, 2007, 06:43:00 AM
QUOTE(modbox_ @ May 19 2007, 11:23 AM)
I couldnt' flash my sammy drive cos i have no sata, so i chipped the dvd drive. since the update i only played originals and i was fine, no bans. Yesterday i removed the modchip to be safe then played some gears of war. This morning i try playing, and im banned.
Just an update: After this i disconnected the dvd drive from the mobo, put the xbox back together then took it back to Currys where i bought it. I told them the drive stopped working so they replaced the console under its warranty. Im now back on live
they didnt even check if it had been opened. Guess i was lucky.
Post by: m3kal on May 19, 2007, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on May 19, 2007, 06:47:00 AM
QUOTE(modbox_ @ May 19 2007, 02:19 PM)
Just an update: After this i disconnected the dvd drive from the mobo, put the xbox back together then took it back to Currys where i bought it. I told them the drive stopped working so they replaced the console under its warranty. Im now back on live
they didnt even check if it had been opened. Guess i was lucky.Thread closed what is wrong with you .
Edit
Sorry to those of you who were genuinely trying to use this thread as a useful discussion thread. I realise I will take the PM stick but the real culprits are the 10s of members posting illegal or against rules stuff in here. To those members I hope you are happy now.