Post by: Xbox-Scene on October 12, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
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Post by: MN-Mod-Man on October 12, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: oper8r00 on October 12, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Que the "OMG IS MY 360 GONNA BE BLOCKED!?"
Post by: Runt on October 12, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: nectar12 on October 12, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
"Because we're adding some cool stuff"
banning hacked firmwares would be "not so cool".
Post by: postaldude25 on October 12, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
* A: Because we're adding some Firmware detection stuff. And we have to take the service and website offline in order to do it. We are doing it to make you mad ... really!!!
Q: What kind of firmware detection?
* A: Secret cool stuff that we'll tell you about when or if you manage to get xbox live back online thatks to our consolle banns for hacked FW . Other penaltys we'll be talking about later in the fall.
* Q: Is this a Dashboard downgrade?
* A: Yes
its probebly all due to gears of war coming. or something really cool!!!!
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on October 12, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: iPwn on October 12, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: Landlocked on October 12, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
Also, why can XBL send down firmware w/o asking us to accept the EULA? I have to accept THEIR terms to patch THEIR buggy version Windows...
Post by: AddNtoX on October 12, 2006, 02:32:00 PM
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Post by: gehx on October 12, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Landlocked @ Oct 12 2006, 03:56 PM) 
Is XBL going to credit our account for the lost day of access? Fair is fair, right?
.......
LOL @ Landlocked....nice thought, but, yeah, they'll do that I'm sure
Post by: MeanMF on October 12, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: laurie on October 12, 2006, 02:53:00 PM
If the banning due to firmware means we wont be able to play new games because they require the dash update, MS will be effectively making every modded xbox worthless.
I bought a modded one and cant refresh because I only have a Mac.
What to do?
Post by: Rockaholica on October 12, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
@laurie the question is even if you re-flash to original will it be detected as such
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Post by: Boydster on October 12, 2006, 03:03:00 PM
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Post by: AddNtoX on October 12, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: MeanMF on October 12, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Rockaholica @ Oct 12 2006, 09:27 PM)
@MeanMF looks like your gamerpic wants to volunteer
Hehe, sorry mine's not modded.
Post by: Rockaholica on October 12, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
QUOTE(AddNtoX @ Oct 12 2006, 01:38 PM)
i dont think it'll nuke your console or prevent you from playng backups. What will likley happen is(if it does happen with the live update) is the xbox will simply report back to live information on the disk being used and they will just ban you. If you only play on live with originals nothing will happen since theyre checking the disk and not the firmware. Its the safest option for M$ really. Because if a dashupdate did indeed need to dump the firmware to checksum it whats to say if u get a bad dump with an unmodded firmware it reports bad checksum. Microsoft have to devise a way that doesnt produce false positives and dumping isnt one of them
(1) but theres so many different drives and therefore checksums and different scripts that will have to run to get the hash check (2) and do we even know if the HL drives can dump a checksum when they arent in mode B? is Microsoft gunna ask people to put thier drives in mode B before they do the update?? lol
Post by: Landlocked on October 12, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: laurie on October 12, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(AddNtoX @ Oct 12 2006, 09:42 PM)
if you play games on live the update will likley be forced to have everyone at the same version. Compatibility reasons. And from what ive heard this update is going to be mandatory on the forthcoming gears of war also...meaning when you stick the game in the drive u'll get a popup saying the xbox needsto be updated to play this game
And if you have been banned? no new games. So no money for MS there.
Post by: Rockaholica on October 12, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: evil_uk on October 12, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Rockaholica on October 12, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(evil_uk @ Oct 12 2006, 02:19 PM)
did anyone think all they are doing is updateing and maintaining the servers and this has nothing to do with the firmware ?
aparently you...
Post by: laurie on October 12, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Rockaholica @ Oct 12 2006, 10:13 PM)
did this die down already?
What do you mean?
Post by: razorrifh on October 12, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(evil_uk @ Oct 12 2006, 05:19 PM)
did anyone think all they are doing is updateing and maintaining the servers and this has nothing to do with the firmware ?
yeah, they're just adding features. people are just paranoid. the servers have to go down because they're running windows
gotta reboot after just about every install, heh.
Post by: edrift101 on October 12, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
This could be for server maintence and new hidden features that will be rolled out with the Nov dash update.
Still I'll be unplugging my 360 during this down time and keeping it unplugged until I see what happens.
Quick question - let's say we all get banned. Is it the console, my VISA card, me personally (contact info) or all of the above that is banned for life?
Post by: Rockaholica on October 12, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(laurie @ Oct 12 2006, 02:23 PM)
What do you mean?
this thread there was a flurry of posts then nothing...btw when are you gunna be making sticks again?????
Post by: laurie on October 12, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(edrift101 @ Oct 12 2006, 10:30 PM)
I'm pretty sure that Microsoft wouldn't want to brick any 360's with a firmware update or ban ANYONE right before the PS3 comes out. It would negatively effect their console sales this holiday season.
This could be for server maintence and new hidden features that will be rolled out with the Nov dash update.
Still I'll be unplugging my 360 during this down time and keeping it unplugged until I see what happens.
Quick question - let's say we all get banned. Is it the console, my VISA card, me personally (contact info) or all of the above that is banned for life?
Yes its a worry that they can possibly link your address etc to your flashed firmware. Also (and I know I keep saying it but I think its an important issue) Once your banned from live you will not have access to the updates required for new games yet to be released. Will be a shame if I cant play GOW.
QUOTE(Rockaholica @ Oct 12 2006, 10:33 PM)
this thread there was a flurry of posts then nothing...btw when are you gunna be making sticks again?????
Oh I got you sorry.
Soon I hope, still have no workshop at the moment. Hope to move before Christmas.
Post by: miggidy on October 12, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Why can't you tell us about this cool stuff now?
Why wait after the update?
Sounds like B$ to me
Post by: laurie on October 12, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
QUOTE(miggidy @ Oct 12 2006, 10:57 PM)
You call that an explanation M$?
Why can't you tell us about this cool stuff now?
Why wait after the update?
Sounds like B$ to me
Yeah tell me about it, they give it all the hip shpeal 'go talk to your partner, you know the one you havnt spoken to for 9 months because M$ are so f*cking cool'
But dont want to tell us what the update is for. However I doubt you would ever get a warning as such that firmware mods are about to be banned.
Who is going to be brave enough to log in on the 18th?
Just thought of something,
What about all the people (and I assume there are some) That dont use live? how will they get the dash update to play new games?
Post by: Maverick-DBZ- on October 12, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
QUOTE(edrift101 @ Oct 12 2006, 02:30 PM)
Quick question - let's say we all get banned. Is it the console, my VISA card, me personally (contact info) or all of the above that is banned for life?
If MS keeps with tradition only your console will be banned. Most likely some type of eeprom ban like the Xbox had.
Post by: Mega_mil on October 12, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(edrift101 @ Oct 12 2006, 10:30 PM)
I'm pretty sure that Microsoft wouldn't want to brick any 360's with a firmware update or ban ANYONE right before the PS3 comes out. It would negatively effect their console sales this holiday season.
This could be for server maintence and new hidden features that will be rolled out with the Nov dash update.
Still I'll be unplugging my 360 during this down time and keeping it unplugged until I see what happens.
Quick question - let's say we all get banned. Is it the console, my VISA card, me personally (contact info) or all of the above that is banned for life?
How could it affect console sales if people aren't buying the games to begin with???
Post by: Mega_mil on October 12, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
But on the getting banned thing, the people that use the expliot know what they are doing so of course you can't be mad if M$ tries to shut it down. It's the same ol cat and mouse game.
Post by: ASmithz on October 12, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: Software2 on October 12, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
We'll find out in any case. There are people that don't pay attention to the news, and they'll log on with their pirated copies like they do every day, and if they get banned, the rest of us will know.
Post by: MeanMF on October 12, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Software2 @ Oct 13 2006, 01:42 AM)
I love how the first thing on everyone's mind is bannings (myself included). But what if it really is just some new features?
That's very possible...but the timing of the update, right before a slew of AAA titles come out, is a little alarming. Plus they've already announced that Vista will almost completely disable itself if you're running an unlicensed copy, so they're not going to be shy if/when they do respond to the firmware hacks.
Post by: edrift101 on October 12, 2006, 07:09:00 PM
Well, some of us ARE running backups of games we own. My original copy of GRAW got pretty beat up and I didn't feel like buying it again, so I hacked the firmware. Plus, I do purchase Live arcade games and subscribe to Live. So, on a monthly basis they are making $15-100 off of me depending on what's released.
Post by: Havok on October 12, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
Heres a good scenerio.....
Update comes.. people post that everything is working fine...
and then 1 month later they suddenly flip a switch and block access to live...
I think it is complete B.S. that people are not connect to live after the update.. you are never going to be safe unless you never connect to live.
BOTTOM LINE.. IF YOU MOD YOUR CONSOLE YOU ARE RISKING THE LOSS OF FEATURES.
Speculation just feeds the fearmongers...
BTW: Xbox 1 Bans did not come with a update.. they just flipped a switch one day after collecting loads of information... guess thats their M.O... guess you all are screwed..
Post by: j3y q on October 12, 2006, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Boydster on October 12, 2006, 07:37:00 PM
QUOTE(daghostmon @ Oct 12 2006, 08:27 PM)
It would be risky doing anything that might kill more 360's right now with the refurb factory running 24/7 and alot of you guys already bricking your own 360's for them. they don't need to attack just yet. I'm thinking maybe a web browser or taking the camera to another level like an youtube like video section.
I'm convinced. You've nailed it right there.
And they did say something about the 360 and youtube in the same sentence in the past...
Post by: rippinitto on October 12, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
QUOTE(nectar12 @ Oct 12 2006, 08:45 PM)
definetly not firmware related:
"Because we're adding some cool stuff"
banning hacked firmwares would be "not so cool".
only in your eyes!
Post by: DaShiZNiT on October 12, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Havok @ Oct 12 2006, 08:38 PM)
BTW: Xbox 1 Bans did not come with a update.. they just flipped a switch one day after collecting loads of information... guess thats their M.O... guess you all are screwed..
yeah it was called BETA, then live launched and everyone was banned
I think were in BETA right now.....
Post by: Mega_mil on October 12, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
QUOTE(edrift101 @ Oct 13 2006, 02:16 AM)
"How could it affect console sales if people aren't buying the games to begin with??? blink.gif blink.gif"
Well, some of us ARE running backups of games we own. My original copy of GRAW got pretty beat up and I didn't feel like buying it again, so I hacked the firmware. Plus, I do purchase Live arcade games and subscribe to Live. So, on a monthly basis they are making $15-100 off of me depending on what's released.
Well all it will cost you is $10 dollars to get a replacement. That's all I did. Mine came with a crack in the inner ring. Due to me still playing the disc, eventually it started to move. All I did was contact support and ask how much a replacement is and the guy told me $10 bucks. So that shoots down the I need to backup my game because $10 bucks is nothing compared to spending $62.99 or whatever it costed you when you bought the game. If you don't believe me I can show proof. Now i'm not sure if every company will do this but it doesn't hurt to ask.
PS - I was talking about Ubisoft and GRAW too BTW
Post by: edrift101 on October 12, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: omega2468 on October 12, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
This is why I didnt mod mine. Will be funny to see how many people cry cause they get banned
Post by: flashfreak on October 12, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
Also, anyone checked those links at the bottom of the xbox site, about the zune? Its on amazon already, and its accessories...
Post by: Tha on October 13, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
i only hope that playing will still be posible, i hate live most of the time.
Just like someone said, i hope it's not the vista thing, that shuts down the console.
Post by: laurie on October 13, 2006, 02:57:00 AM
QUOTE(ricflairandy @ Oct 13 2006, 10:01 AM)
Im guessing some incarnation of IE, or somthing to do with zune or possibly microsofts own video sharing software to be used with the cam.
Im convinced it will not be to do with the firmware and more to do with combatting the ps3 and giving people an extra reason to get live. MS`s minds i would like to think are on bigger things at the moment, such as sony.
I hope your right. Something at the back of my mind is telling me that unsigned drives (the early ones, someone confirm please) will be ok.
How many users of live % wise do you think are using modded firmware? Surely it cant be that high anyway.
Post by: jabski on October 13, 2006, 03:01:00 AM
QUOTE(edrift101 @ Oct 13 2006, 02:16 AM)
So, on a monthly basis they are making $15-100 off of me depending on what's released.
same here. Hopefully its just a "really secret cool" update
Post by: trigger_ on October 13, 2006, 03:04:00 AM
QUOTE
Im convinced it will not be to do with the firmware and more to do with combatting the ps3 and giving people an extra reason to get live. MS`s minds i would like to think are on bigger things at the moment, such as sony.
Yeah I agree totally.
Their strategy is to get as many ppl as possible to buy Xbox360s and signon to Live. It's all about grabbing market share from Sony at the moment....especially here in Europe where the PS3 is delayed! It would be counterproductive for M$ to ban the minority of modders as it would mean diverting precious effort and resources to write the code for this. Also, think about all the extra accessories etc modders will buy for their 360, plus the HD DVD drive is out soon as well.
Call me an Optimist, but I think M$ will (and have been) turning a blind eye to it all.
Post by: Tha on October 13, 2006, 03:52:00 AM
QUOTE(trigger_ @ Oct 13 2006, 11:11 AM)
....especially here in Europe where the PS3 is delayed! It would be counterproductive for M$ to ban the minority of modders as it would mean diverting precious effort and resources to write the code for this. Also, think about all the extra accessories etc modders will buy for their 360, plus the HD DVD drive is out soon as well.
Call me an Optimist, but I think M$ will (and have been) turning a blind eye to it all.
good point! the can get a whole bunch of people, those guys from sony are messing with europe.... a delay for 5 months....thats sick,
Post by: Zomah on October 13, 2006, 06:50:00 AM
they won't brick your drive cause it aint illegal to play backup's, ms doesnt know if you own also the original game.
however they will maybe ban us from xbox-live depends how much information they have about hacked 360's.
but that was your own choice, we all know that is was illegal to flash our firmware so if they gonna ban us just take your loss and stop crying.
Post by: MattyT on October 13, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(bertiedugger @ Oct 13 2006, 01:51 PM)
M$ options depend on what they can do technically. If they can get a game or update to check the dvd firmware for one common element that isnt in any of the modified firmwares then they can simply flick up a message to say game not playable or live not available until firmware is returned to M$ standard. They would probably even offer to repair the drive for people ensuring more $$.
From M$ point of view their ideal situation would be to force everyone to have to return their drives to stock state to be able to play new games and connect to live.
Eh men.
Post by: PedrosPad on October 13, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE(bertiedugger @ Oct 13 2006, 01:51 PM)
From M$ point of view their ideal situation would be to force everyone to have to return their drives to stock state to be able to play new games and connect to live.
Agreed.
Post by: R-Dawggy Dawg on October 13, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(bertiedugger @ Oct 13 2006, 08:51 AM)
M$ options depend on what they can do technically. If they can get a game or update to check the dvd firmware for one common element that isnt in any of the modified firmwares then they can simply flick up a message to say game not playable or live not available until firmware is returned to M$ standard. They would probably even offer to repair the drive for people ensuring more $$.
From M$ point of view their ideal situation would be to force everyone to have to return their drives to stock state to be able to play new games and connect to live.
Thats the smartest thing ive read on this topic! Bravo dawg!
Post by: CompFreak07 on October 13, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: laurie on October 13, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
If you dont have a modded drive then why are you posting in here?
If you do then surely this concerns you a little?
I will cry if I get banned and I dont care *sniff*
Post by: Havok on October 13, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Dravor @ Oct 13 2006, 02:13 AM)
With it only taking a few minutes to flash, why not just flash back to stock when you want on to live, and mod when you wanna play your backed up games?
Because who's to say they don't do any checks off-line when you are playing your backed up game.
QUOTE(laurie @ Oct 13 2006, 03:57 PM)
To everyone who keeps saying to stop crying, Whats your problem? Nobody is bitching here just trying to have a conversation about this surprise update.
If you don't have a modded drive then why are you posting in here?
If you do then surely this concerns you a little?
I will cry if I get banned and I don't care *sniff*
I have a problem because every time Microsoft does anything we get the same thread and the same conversation. and in my honest opinion, the thread is completely pointless because the whole discussion is speculation. The other problem is that some people are completely out of touch with what they are doing and do not realize the consequences. There is a very large real risk, that just to play a backup of a game you own (taking piracy out of the equation because we all know that is wrong), you may cripple (brick, lose access to live, lose access to future offline games, lose access to any MS warranty) your system and need to buy a replacement.
Post by: ricflairandy on October 13, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
...ok, im making that up, but its what id want to see
Post by: Zomah on October 13, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(laurie @ Oct 13 2006, 05:57 PM)
To everyone who keeps saying to stop crying, Whats your problem? Nobody is bitching here just trying to have a conversation about this surprise update.
If you dont have a modded drive then why are you posting in here?
If you do then surely this concerns you a little?
I will cry if I get banned and I dont care *sniff*
There all crying so scared to be banned, i have a modded drive too but i dont use xbox live that much its nice but nothing more.
Post by: bertiedugger on October 13, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
If it detects modified firmware, said game wont boot.
If they can technically do that, then they will. Its a calculated risk that everyone took when modding their firmware.
I just hope we are over estimating what M$ can technically do about firmware upgrades on the DVD drive. Its either something they completely overlooked or they have had the aces up their sleeves from day one.
Post by: purepwnage12560 on October 13, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: laurie on October 13, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
QUOTE(purepwnage12560 @ Oct 13 2006, 11:34 PM)
this thread amazes me, for the people scared of getting banned go buy a core console and use it for live only, everyone here knew what the concequences were when they flashed their drive, its nothing new, if you get banned you get banned lesson learned.
I did not know the consequences, I did not flash my drive but bought the xbox like this, I guess I should have read up more.
I cant just go and by a core to use on live. My pockets are not lined with the rarest of silks and crammed with big fist fulls of cash like yours.
Post by: iceberg_is_on_fire on October 13, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
http://www.bungie.ne...x?link=bwuoct13
FooMoJive
You must know that now that Team SWAT is ranked, it's now become Team MODDER. What is Bungie doing to combat modders and other cheaters ruining our favorite new ranked playlist? Any new techniques to take out these losers? It would be nice if the banhammer had some shiny new spikes on it.
I told you, didnt I? Make it ranked, you said. And we did. The question above is legitimate, but a little exaggerated. Theres not really a noticeable jump in modding. But I will say this to modders, and please, spread the word if you know any. Quit now. Right now. Today. The Banhammer will look like the nicest thing we ever did pretty soon. That is the only warning I am giving, because bluntly, I want the modders to suck it down when it arrives in the night like an angry ninja
On GAF, he says October 18th has nothing to do with them, but I think Microsoft is about to unroll some new security measures.
Post by: ASmithz on October 14, 2006, 04:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Nickwpearce @ Oct 14 2006, 12:35 AM)
Ummmm
1. This is not a dashboard update.... Read what it says on xbox.com
2. If they are going to stop us, they wouldn't wait this long would they?
3. The 0078FK drive being changed is good proof they can't totally stop the firmware upgrade
4. Worse case scenario, we get banned from live, unless you put back your original firmware
5. Banning or bricking people's consoles (event hose who pirate) is going to cost M$ money with live downloads, accessories, there new HD-DVD drive...
I'd say maintenance, and adding some cool new secret stuff demo's of splinter cell and GOW maybe, a lot of people will want to download these demos, so maybe they are just making sure nothing is too slow or crashes, thena gain it could be nothing at all, but it ain't an update they state that.
Number 3 is a very good point, goes with number one 2. I don't think they can even detect the firmware being hacked. Mabey they can detect the games being a backup. Didn't one of the people who make the firmware say that the stealth firmware is undectable, the only way you could detect it was to literally desolder the chip and do something i forget. I remember reading it somewhere.
Post by: b15ginz on October 14, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
why doesnt M$ go after the people or websites that supply the places to download the games? just like the peeps did to napster? lets be serious...m$ is NOT loosing money when people back up there games. they only loose money when people download the games. am i right or ami wrong?
stop the peopl who are suppling the downloads...and TONS of people will b forced to buy the games. we all win. were able to play our backupos...and now m$ is also able to make the money on every single game sale.
Post by: j3y q on October 14, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(b15ginz @ Oct 14 2006, 08:50 AM)
here comes a ?. ive been reading a lot of this thread.
why doesnt M$ go after the people or websites that supply the places to download the games? just like the peeps did to napster? lets be serious...m$ is NOT loosing money when people back up there games. they only loose money when people download the games. am i right or ami wrong?
stop the peopl who are suppling the downloads...and TONS of people will b forced to buy the games. we all win. were able to play our backupos...and now m$ is also able to make the money on every single game sale.
what about the peeps who go to your local blockbuster and just burn them , thats where they loose money i thnk
Post by: asspop on October 15, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: tboneski on October 15, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 15 2006, 10:43 PM)
my uncle works for microsoft and he heard from someone in his department that they are making games on pc to play online with the 360 and vice versa. it has nothing to do with firmware upgrade.
weeeeeeeee glad its not firmware issue, so another new game release.... mmmmm
Post by: laurie on October 15, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 15 2006, 10:43 PM)
my uncle works for microsoft and he heard from someone in his department that they are making games on pc to play online with the 360 and vice versa. it has nothing to do with firmware upgrade.
Could you ask him if they have any plans to combat firmware mods?
Post by: Havok on October 15, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
QUOTE(ASmithz @ Oct 14 2006, 10:26 AM)
Number 3 is a very good point, goes with number one 2. I don't think they can even detect the firmware being hacked. Mabey they can detect the games being a backup. Didn't one of the people who make the firmware say that the stealth firmware is undectable, the only way you could detect it was to literally desolder the chip and do something i forget. I remember reading it somewhere.
1. True. People are just being paranoid.
2. False. Do you know how long it takes to implement fixes?? You do not want to ban innocent people.
3. COMPLETELY FALSE!! With Xbox 1 do you know how many hardware revisions there were to combat pirates!? MS in the past has made hardware revisions (even small ones) to make chipping the sonsole harder or impossible. They also banned people fromn live. So they do both!!
4. Again false. They banned the consoles EEPROM for Xbox 1. we do not even know where this information is stored in the 360. The console itself can be easily banned.
5. M$ is going to stop piracy at any cost. (as long as it does not hurt their public image)
Post by: evilgizmo on October 15, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: laurie on October 16, 2006, 12:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 16 2006, 02:58 AM)
buddy thats the biggest noob question in the world. of course they are gonna do something about it. they lose money if they dont have people buying games.
you dont get sarcasm do you? Buddy.
Post by: Bign on October 16, 2006, 02:06:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on October 16, 2006, 04:17:00 AM
QUOTE(laurie @ Oct 13 2006, 04:57 PM)
If you dont have a modded drive then why are you posting in here?
Because this thread was not created just for people with hacked firmware to shit themselves.
The thread is a discussion about the LIve downtime not another "Lets speculate about banning and firmware hacks thread"
It would seem reading this there are a lot of people Bricking their Pants as well as their drives.
Post by: laurie on October 16, 2006, 06:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Oct 16 2006, 11:24 AM)
Because this thread was not created just for people with hacked firmware to shit themselves.
The thread is a discussion about the LIve downtime not another "Lets speculate about banning and firmware hacks thread"
It would seem reading this there are a lot of people Bricking their Pants as well as their drives.
lol, how long have you been holding on to that one?
Outstanding!
Post by: MattyT on October 16, 2006, 09:37:00 AM
. Something to do with Xbox Live Anywhere seems the probable thing in my oppinion. And maybe some under the hood features for Movie downloading, which may come in the Fall update.
100% speculation
Post by: Heet on October 16, 2006, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: X Blu Juggalo X on October 16, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: j3y q on October 17, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: Paperstack.1 on October 17, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
Man, they should add in a mass message system where M$ sends us a messages like "Xbox Live will start it's schedule for downtime in 1 hour." or something like that in the upcomming update or after.
EDIT: I thought the downtime was supposed to start at 4am EST? o_O
Post by: Alex548 on October 17, 2006, 12:35:00 AM
Oh well, now time to wait & find out what the new update brings us.
Post by: j3y q on October 17, 2006, 12:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Oct 17 2006, 01:42 AM)
Oh well, now time to wait & find out what the new update brings us.
hopefully some grub while we wait to see what happens
Post by: Syc on October 17, 2006, 12:48:00 AM
. Enjoy your day of no LIVE everybody .
Post by: grim_d on October 17, 2006, 05:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Syc @ Oct 17 2006, 07:55 AM)
It would seem to have went down about 20 minutes ago at 3:20am EST for me while I was on the PSU servers
. Enjoy your day of no LIVE everybody .that was nicely timed. the only freakin time I had to try out PSU was tonight and tomorrow. Thanks very much
ah well i hear its piss anyway
Post by: xboxexpert on October 17, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(camcar @ Oct 17 2006, 12:38 PM)
So if we where to beat a game or an achievment right now, it wouldnt register would it. Theres a few achievments I wanted to do today, and I dont want to get them and them not register online. Ummmm
They will save on your hdd and upload to live next time you sign on.
Post by: Killa31 on October 17, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: postaldude25 on October 17, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 17 2006, 09:28 PM)
holy fuck. dont upgrade i just got a phone call from my uncle who works at microsoft and they are gonna have a update and when u update it it puts ur dvd rom in mode b or w/e u like to call it and it detects ur firmware. microsoft aint supid. SO WHATEVER U DO DONT UPGRADE IF U HAVE A HACKED FIRMWARE
Santa clause called me and said that one of his little helpers named "killa31" just bricked his pants
Post by: m3kal on October 17, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Im happy now ive got a 360 untouched and on live, so i dont need to worry etc being banned. Ive a few games now and im starting to play well lol (need a score booost)... I know games aint cheap in shops buy hey im happy with ebay!
Post by: gibletto on October 17, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 17 2006, 08:28 PM)
holy fuck. dont upgrade i just got a phone call from my uncle who works at microsoft and they are gonna have a update and when u update it it puts ur dvd rom in mode b or w/e u like to call it and it detects ur firmware. microsoft aint supid. SO WHATEVER U DO DONT UPGRADE IF U HAVE A HACKED FIRMWARE
it wouldn't need to be in modeb, yawn
Post by: Chancer on October 17, 2006, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 17 2006, 08:28 PM)
holy fuck. dont upgrade i just got a phone call from my uncle who works at microsoft and they are gonna have a update and when u update it it puts ur dvd rom in mode b or w/e u like to call it and it detects ur firmware. microsoft aint supid. SO WHATEVER U DO DONT UPGRADE IF U HAVE A HACKED FIRMWARE
I assume this is some attempt at sarcastic humour, if not you have forgotten to take your medication, so do it now.
Post by: laurie on October 17, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 17 2006, 08:28 PM)
holy fuck. dont upgrade i just got a phone call from my uncle who works at microsoft and they are gonna have a update and when u update it it puts ur dvd rom in mode b or w/e u like to call it and it detects ur firmware. microsoft aint supid. SO WHATEVER U DO DONT UPGRADE IF U HAVE A HACKED FIRMWARE
So are they remote flashing drives then? Im still worried that new games will not run anymore.
There will be no point in having a flashed drive if this is the case
Or your still full of it.
Post by: titansu on October 17, 2006, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Killa31 @ Oct 17 2006, 08:28 PM)
holy fuck. dont upgrade i just got a phone call from my uncle who works at microsoft and they are gonna have a update and when u update it it puts ur dvd rom in mode b or w/e u like to call it and it detects ur firmware. microsoft aint supid. SO WHATEVER U DO DONT UPGRADE IF U HAVE A HACKED FIRMWARE
Wow... I figured your uncle would hear more that that while on his knees under Gates' desk
Post by: Chancer on October 17, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE
So are they remote flashing drives then? Im still worried that new games will not run anymore.
Why did you flash the drive then?
Its like committing a crime but not being able to handle the prison sentence when its your turn in the barrel
Post by: laurie on October 17, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Oct 17 2006, 09:30 PM)
Why did you flash the drive then?
Its like committing a crime but not being able to handle the prison sentence when its your turn in the barrel
I didn't flash it. I bought it off ebay.
In retrospect I should have done more research into what an xtreme xbox360 was.
I assumed playing originals online would not be a problem. I am not a pirate and was hoping for some 360 homebrew.
The words high and horse come to mind.
Post by: Chancer on October 17, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE
The words high and horse come to mind.
The words "Bricks shitting are you", come to mind actually. I have no issues with flashing drives or the firmware hacks but I find it amazing when people then start to crap themselves every time there is a live update. My opinion is you do whatever you do with open eyes. Buy a modded box or what ever great. When action is taken Stand up play the game re-hack or what ever or accept the consequences of your actions. Don't act as if MS would be commiting some terrible uncalled for revenge when they try to protect their investment.
All your posts in here are about how scared you are of what will happen. here is the answer Sell your modded box. Plenty of buyers for them. Buy a non modded box and use your live account with that.
Post by: laurie on October 17, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Oct 17 2006, 09:45 PM)
The words "Bricks shitting are you", come to mind actually. I have no issues with flashing drives or the firmware hacks but I find it amazing when people then start to crap themselves every time there is a live update. My opinion is you do whatever you do with open eyes. Buy a modded box or what ever great. When action is taken Stand up play the game re-hack or what ever or accept the consequences of your actions. Don't act as if MS would be commiting some terrible uncalled for revenge when they try to protect their investment.
All your posts in here are about how scared you are of what will happen. here is the answer Sell your modded box. Plenty of buyers for them. Buy a non modded box and use your live account with that.
Thats actually a very good idea. I would re flash it myself if I was a PC user, But as far as I know it cant be done with a Mac. So selling could well be the best option.
Cheers.
Post by: BasicAir on October 17, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
OMG WATCH OUT!!!!!!11111111111
Post by: asspop on October 17, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
were all gonna get HIV ohh noes..
Post by: j3y q on October 17, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
anyways if they do find s way to ban us form live just go out and purchase a core to play live not that hard and sincce you own the originals of all your backups you shou8ldn't have a prob.
Post by: Paperstack.1 on October 17, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
I just don't understand why some would modify their $300 - $400 console just to play backups and at the same time that the banning could start because of this. Your games should be handled properly. Kids shouldn't be touching the discs, Live Arcade is just fine for them. That's just my opinion.
I still haven't found a reason to flash my drive yet (I take care of my originals) so I'm in the green
3:00 - 4:00 am EST is just a few hours away and i'll be up to see what's new (besides Lumines Live! finally hopefully!)
Post by: ^white stallion^ on October 17, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
As for firmware/disc identity it could be quite possible and seems quite feasable seeing as one of the biggest titles of this Year is due out today.
Post by: Syc on October 17, 2006, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Oct 17 2006, 06:05 PM)
I would hope that Microsoft have realised that banning did nothing for the first xbox except deter people from using xbox live.
The truth is that it didnt stop piracy and only ended up costing them lost revenue by people that didnt get live cos their console was modded.
They can ban people again if they wish, but will it stop people backing up games ? No ? will it stop people using live ? obvious yes.
If Microsoft left anyone with an xbox use live whether modded or not, they would have made so much more money on the system. I would even speculate and say another million + subscribes if they had of let it happen.
XBox and now XBOx 360 are losing Microsoft heaps of money surely they realise that piracy wont eve be stopped and sometimes turning a blind eye makes the most financial sense. The 360 has been cracked Microsoft can either cut off their nose to spite their face and lose millions of revenue and potential live customers or they can just accept it and move and get as many people as they can to subscribe to xbox live and generate as much revenue as they can.
There is always someone who comes along with this kind of thinking and it honestly leaves me speachless. Basically what you are saying is let the people make backups of a game and be able to play online with them and this will generate more money for MS
. Of course there would be more users because all they would have to do is download any game and go online without any worry. That in no way says they would genrate money from it because you figure gold Live is $50 yr. and then there would be no need to buy any games. I understand alot of people legitamately backup their copy but lets be realistic as to a guess at the percantage of people that do.Now if they ban people from Live, I would think there would be a profit for MS. Live is basically the top feature for the 360 and if they start banning sure people will be pissed but I guarantee they'll want to have Live back. That's not saying that everyone will go out and spend another $300-$400 on a 360 but hey it's their loss, they gambled by changing how the machine was manufactured and they lost. Point is, why can't you just use your backup for offline and your original for Live? Is that so much to ask? I've kind of lost track of where I was going with this rant so I'll end it now
.
Post by: ^white stallion^ on October 17, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: laurie on October 17, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Syc @ Oct 17 2006, 11:59 PM)
point is, why can't you just use your backup for offline and your original for Live? Is that so much to ask? I've kind of lost track of where I was going with this rant so I'll end it now
.You would still need 2 systems for this.
The news actually got cut down from what MS originally put up. It did have a top 10 of things to do whilst live was down and a bit more info than what was there when I last looked.
Im sure it said that some stuff would not have any effect until the new dash update in the fall.
Post by: ^white stallion^ on October 17, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
QUOTE(laurie @ Oct 18 2006, 12:17 AM)
You would still need 2 systems for this.
The news actually got cut down from what MS originally put up. It did have a top 10 of things to do whilst live was down and a bit more info than what was there when I last looked.
Im sure it said that some stuff would not have any effect until the new dash update in the fall.
You wouldnt need 2 systems you just need a dual bois firmware mod that you can switch between original and hacked firmwares.
Post by: laurie on October 17, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(^white stallion^ @ Oct 18 2006, 12:38 AM)
You wouldnt need 2 systems you just need a dual bois firmware mod that you can switch between original and hacked firmwares.
Oh right, I didn't know you could do that. But surely the new dashboard that will be a compulsory download and required to play new games would prevent this from being a viable solution.
This is of course if the new dash has some kind of firmware detection, It would not allow you I wouldn't think to boot with flashed firmware.
Post by: parat8t9 on October 17, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(razorrifh @ Oct 12 2006, 05:29 PM)
yeah, they're just adding features. people are just paranoid. the servers have to go down because they're running windows
gotta reboot after just about every install, heh.well if they are using vista they should have the ability to update with out rebooting thanks to hot swapable dll files (or so microsoft claims)
:-D
Post by: toddgei on October 17, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Syc @ Oct 17 2006, 11:59 PM)
There is always someone who comes along with this kind of thinking and it honestly leaves me speachless. Basically what you are saying is let the people make backups of a game and be able to play online with them and this will generate more money for MS
. Of course there would be more users because all they would have to do is download any game and go online without any worry. That in no way says they would genrate money from it because you figure gold Live is $50 yr. and then there would be no need to buy any games. I understand alot of people legitamately backup their copy but lets be realistic as to a guess at the percantage of people that do.Now if they ban people from Live, I would think there would be a profit for MS. Live is basically the top feature for the 360 and if they start banning sure people will be pissed but I guarantee they'll want to have Live back. That's not saying that everyone will go out and spend another $300-$400 on a 360 but hey it's their loss, they gambled by changing how the machine was manufactured and they lost. Point is, why can't you just use your backup for offline and your original for Live? Is that so much to ask? I've kind of lost track of where I was going with this rant so I'll end it now
.All I will say is that I and heaps and heaps of other people will take a modded console over xbox live. That is the simple fact of it all its a trade off and in most circumstances the modded xbox 360 will be higher priority than xbox live.
As I said before banning people from live will not stop piracy. Yeah some people might go out and buy a second console and use it for live, but generally most will just forgo it because they have a modded console and thats the trade off. Modded system = no live. I lived without live with the first xbox and will do so again if I need to.
I am not condoning piracy at all, but I am saying is that Microsoft would make heaps more money from live subscriptions and that banning people from live wont curb piracy at all and I am sure that Microsoft learnt that with the first xbox.
Post by: Kurto2021 on October 17, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: axess68 on October 17, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
QUOTE(toddgei @ Oct 18 2006, 02:13 AM)
All I will say is that I and heaps and heaps of other people will take a modded console over xbox live. That is the simple fact of it all its a trade off and in most circumstances the modded xbox 360 will be higher priority than xbox live.
As I said before banning people from live will not stop piracy. Yeah some people might go out and buy a second console and use it for live, but generally most will just forgo it because they have a modded console and thats the trade off. Modded system = no live. I lived without live with the first xbox and will do so again if I need to.
I am not condoning piracy at all, but I am saying is that Microsoft would make heaps more money from live subscriptions and that banning people from live wont curb piracy at all and I am sure that Microsoft learnt that with the first xbox.
I agree with you 100% on that. I flashed my drive and modded my 360. If I have to decide between my modded 360 and Xbox Live, I'll take the mod. I also got banned for my modded xbox, and I didn't miss Live at all. If I need to play multiplayer games, which are usually FPS games, I have my PC which targets more easily and accurately.
Post by: Kurto2021 on October 17, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: j3y q on October 17, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Analyzer52 on October 17, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Oct 17 2006, 11:20 PM)
its 12am (pst i think) but they jus said atleast 12am so it could be on sooner
Atleast means it could be longer.
Post by: Eraser77 on October 17, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Oct 18 2006, 04:20 AM)
its 12am (pst i think) but they jus said atleast 12am so it could be on sooner
ummm no...
Its 11:44pm central time right now...
PST = PACIFIC standard time...
soo...
Its 9:44pm PST right now..
Post by: sp3cialk on October 17, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: manh on October 17, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: ododoo on October 18, 2006, 12:19:00 AM
Post by: xcalixxryderx on October 18, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: dumdum on October 18, 2006, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: Seifer48 on October 18, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Post by: Fraudster on October 18, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
8.26am GMT (UK) xbox live & xbox.com still down here.
Damn 1080p support
I have a nice hdtv but its only 720p max... wonder if i should upgrade.Post by: Paperstack.1 on October 18, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
QUOTE(sp3cialk @ Oct 18 2006, 12:38 AM)
I just wonder how many people were lost today with no live??? I have a friend that gets on but as he's waiting for the new games to come out, just plays uno or a demo (traded alot of games cause he's broke) he called my cell tonight and sounded like he was in rehab... I was like dude... it's ok.. go watch a movie or play offline... I've been chillin tonight watching movies
I'm defainately going through it now. Everyday I get on Live when I can. But now that it was down for the whole day, there's really nothing much to do at home, even with my gf back home up in Philadelphia.
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Oct 17 2006, 10:34 PM)
there probly just upgrading the servers since the cam came out ive noticed things have been really slow like viewing friends lists and ive had more freezing in games while trying to send messages and stuff
The whole time I thought I was the only one having that problem
Post by: Brwntiger on October 18, 2006, 12:44:00 AM
Post by: xcalixxryderx on October 18, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Brwntiger @ Oct 17 2006, 11:51 PM)
YAUP....they are late. But it doesn't really make too much sense unless they are doing some MAJOR overhaul. I work in the IT dept of an university and perform maintenance on servers all the time. 24+ hours just seems kind of crazy...I mean I understand that they ARE Microsoft but for example....if you had Cingular and they had to upgrade...would they go offline for 24+ hours? It just seems like a billion dollar company could figure out how to segment....but what do I know?
ya i agree. since when do you try to use your cell for a call and get a message "were sorry but our network is down for 24 hour maintance" lol
Post by: DooDahMan on October 18, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
Wonder what the hold up is?
Post by: Fraudster on October 18, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
and as greenwich is in the u.k. i was just going by that?
ive juct gone into the calander on my pc... and all other times for other countrys show gmt+1 gmt+2 etc etc... but for uk its just GMT.... i thought gmt ment the time at the time observatory in greenwich...
lol am i being stupid?
www.google.com
define gmt....
Greenwich Mean Time. The time at Greenwich, England, which is used as the basis for standard time throughout the world.
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 01:00:00 AM
usually microsoft are quite prompt with the downtime. it goes off when they say it will, and comes back when they say it does.
it must be some crazy upgrade though, cos last time they had like a 4 hour downtime for the new myxbox stuff, so they must be adding some nuts stuff.
maybe they are getting ready for Live Anywhere?
Post by: Fraudster on October 18, 2006, 01:01:00 AM
lol i put the wrong time in the original most .. it was infact 7.26 .. i just put 8.26 ... duhhh! - i started work at 8am, and i was at home when i wrote that. stil 1/2 asleep
i thought i was going crazy then when you was talking about gmt... lol
my fault! hands up! duhhhh, i am in the uk.. therefore gmt is my local time, was just MY ERROR
Post by: Chancer on October 18, 2006, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE
I'm defainately going through it now. Everyday I get on Live when I can. But now that it was down for the whole day, there's really nothing much to do at home, even with my gf back home up in Philadelphia.
She ought to dump you and find someone else.
I am shocked at the number of posters who can not live without xbox live for a short while. Take a walk, get some fresh air. The world is more than just gaming.
To those posters who said banning would mean losing lots of live subscribers. Did you not read the posts in here!! If this is any representation, its only been down a day and some people are acting like they have just lost a relative or friend.
Post by: Paperstack.1 on October 18, 2006, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Oct 18 2006, 03:10 AM)
She ought to dump you and find someone else.
I am shocked at the number of posters who can not live without xbox live for a short while. Take a walk, get some fresh air. The world is more than just gaming.
To those posters who said banning would mean losing lots of live subscribers. Did you not read the posts in here!! If this is any representation, its only been down a day and some people are acting like they have just lost a relative or friend.
I meant when i'm at home meaning when i'm not at work and she's not around, which is some days of the week. On the weekend, i'm all hers
Besides, she's not leaving me. We both got each other's names tatooed on our arms plus she's got my ring on her finger, AND we know each other's social security numbers (lol)
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 01:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Python @ Oct 18 2006, 08:19 AM)
Havent anyone stoped to think that LIVE on 360 have nothing to do with Live on the first xbox?
Now LIVE have something called MARKETPLACE. As long as the hackers dont mess with that MS is not messing with the alternate firmwares on the drives.
Thats just my opinion since MS win a lot with the MARKETPLACE. Lots of people bying arcade games and pictures packs and fancy cars/planes/skins for that game they like.
Remember the XBOX 1 Dashboard? It had some kind of programming language. later they figured out and added some things as different menus, support for MP3 playback and others.
The dashboard on xbox 1 was developed to be expanded easily.
PSP have a 32MB flash for the firmware with something like different partitions on the flash rom. 360 should have that or even more like 64 or 128. They can put lots of tiny programs.
I dont doubt that the 360 dashboard should already have some cool things included....
Also this new update could have something related to XNA. MS could be launching it earlier....
BUT I DOUBT THAT LIVE BANS WILL HAPPEN. AND I'M SHURE THAT 2006 WILL NOT BE THE YEAR FOR LIVE BAN EXCEPT FOR ABUSES WITH XBOX LIVE VISION CAMERA.
Now LIVE have something called MARKETPLACE. As long as the hackers dont mess with that MS is not messing with the alternate firmwares on the drives.
Thats just my opinion since MS win a lot with the MARKETPLACE. Lots of people bying arcade games and pictures packs and fancy cars/planes/skins for that game they like.
Remember the XBOX 1 Dashboard? It had some kind of programming language. later they figured out and added some things as different menus, support for MP3 playback and others.
The dashboard on xbox 1 was developed to be expanded easily.
PSP have a 32MB flash for the firmware with something like different partitions on the flash rom. 360 should have that or even more like 64 or 128. They can put lots of tiny programs.
I dont doubt that the 360 dashboard should already have some cool things included....
Also this new update could have something related to XNA. MS could be launching it earlier....
BUT I DOUBT THAT LIVE BANS WILL HAPPEN. AND I'M SHURE THAT 2006 WILL NOT BE THE YEAR FOR LIVE BAN EXCEPT FOR ABUSES WITH XBOX LIVE VISION CAMERA.
that did not make any sense at all.
Post by: postaldude25 on October 18, 2006, 01:38:00 AM
Xbox.com and the Xbox Live® service are currently down for maintenance.
Well be back soon with amazing new My Xbox® features!
and in swedish
Vi återkommer inom kort med information om Xbox, Xbox 360 och dina favoritspel!
and it means: "we vill be right back with more information on Xbox,Xbox360 and your favorite games"
really nice MS translation they dont mean the same thing
Post by: Austin7687 on October 18, 2006, 04:15:00 AM
QUOTE(xGKx Terminator @ Oct 18 2006, 04:57 AM)
they could always be reeling people in first. you never know. i mean, think, how many people with modded boxes would go straight online without checking for banning possiblilities online first. if they were, it would make perfect sense. i mean, whats the point of banning a handful of people when you could nab a whole lot of them at peak times.
Is it really necessary to put the same post (nearly Verbatim) in 2 different topics in the same area?
Also, is it just me, or is the dash moving a little quicker? It seems like load times on the marketplace aren't quite as long as usual.
Post by: Paperstack.1 on October 18, 2006, 04:45:00 AM
The main site still isn't up yet so i'm guessing they're still working on the Live service as well. Just a notice to anybody with the same problem as well.
Post by: Kurto2021 on October 18, 2006, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: bmouthboyo on October 18, 2006, 05:47:00 AM
Connection still cuts out everynower and then.
UK all the way now
Post by: latinoman231982 on October 18, 2006, 05:58:00 AM
Post by: dblock3nine on October 18, 2006, 06:01:00 AM
Post by: Keva on October 18, 2006, 06:03:00 AM
How dare they not let you steal games from them and play them online. The nerve of some people.
Post by: cerealkillajme on October 18, 2006, 06:04:00 AM
QUOTE(latinoman231982 @ Oct 18 2006, 01:05 PM)
Someone shoot bill gates, if i am banned i am sellin this and getin a ps3, screw this shit.
Funny that your mad about the consequences of your own actions. You knew it was coming, we knew they would stop the backups on Live at some point. Really stupid to be pissed about it now
Post by: bmouthboyo on October 18, 2006, 06:10:00 AM
i had same prob but its fine now.
just give it a while to stop urself looking like tits
Post by: savagepoop on October 18, 2006, 06:20:00 AM
me and my gf both have hacked firmware and we are both on live right now on backed up games!!!! 1 hitatchi drive and 1 sammy drive!!!!
stop crying the servers are just a little screwed right now
Post by: 0794 on October 18, 2006, 06:27:00 AM
QUOTE(xzenor @ Oct 18 2006, 07:18 AM)
The word from Major Nelson is that Xbox Live is up and running. Xbox.com is still down though. They are working a couple issues out.
XzeneR
P.S. Sorry FW hackers............no I'm not, you should have seen this coming.
I'm still not convinced that they have blocked the firmware-modded folks, sure a few people haven't been able to log in, but some have, I guess that we will see throughout the next few days. I will have to agree that it will be quite humorous to see people get so angry about it when they knew what they were doing in the first place.
Post by: gcompton on October 18, 2006, 06:34:00 AM
Attempted to login to XBL with modded XBOX (4.1A firmware) would never connect after 25 attempts.
Took backup of my Madden and attempted to play it says update required, accepted message and it started download for 1 second and then disconnected.
Attempted to login to XBL with modded XBOX (4.1A firmware) would never connect after 25 attempts.
Took backup of my NBA 2K7 and attempted to play it says update required, accepted message and it started download for 1 second and then disconnected.
Attempted to login to XBL with second XBOX (NO MODS) would never connect after 25 attempts.
Took ORIGINAL of my Madden and attempted to play it says update required, accepted message and it started download for 1 second and then disconnected.
Attempted to login to XBL with second XBOX (NO MODS) would never connect after 25 attempts.
Took ORIGINAL of my NBA 2K7 and attempted to play it says update required, accepted message and it started download for 1 second and then disconnected.
I can't logon to XBL with non-modded or modded, with 3 seperate XBL accounts at this time.
People need to calm down about the banning stuff until we find out more.
I'm sure with this beig a major upgrade MS has had serious issues just like they do with the rest of their products, anyone ever had issues from hotfixes or service packs for windows? This is probably about the same.
Post by: Brwntiger on October 18, 2006, 06:35:00 AM
QUOTE(xzenor @ Oct 18 2006, 01:18 PM)
The word from Major Nelson is that Xbox Live is up and running. Xbox.com is still down though. They are working a couple issues out.
XzeneR
P.S. Sorry FW hackers............no I'm not, you should have seen this coming.
Which goes against EVERYTHING MS has been saying....even Major Nelson on his last show said that the reason that EVERYTHING had to go down was because of the tight integration between Live, Xbox.com and your gamer tag in the forums (?). That was their reason for taking Live down in the first place....now they have Live running and nothing else? They should have done that from the very beginning.....something just doesn't sound right....
Post by: laurie on October 18, 2006, 06:37:00 AM
QUOTE(dumdum @ Oct 18 2006, 01:37 PM)
for three pages or so i have learned nothing new apart from
- Live is up
- Hacked FW are up and running
- Connection problems
- Kids with OMFGHSGKLHS THEY BANNEND @#&)@&@)$&@)$&@
anyways this is what i have heard
Most of the new stuff will not be active until the new dash is there to use it. From what I understand.
However the disclaimer did give the impression that some cool new stuff would be instantly useable?
Wonder where its gone.
Post by: NxJ NightHawk on October 18, 2006, 06:39:00 AM
QUOTE(dumdum @ Oct 18 2006, 01:37 PM)
what i would like to hear is WHAT exactly were the changes and surprises, fomr the sounds of it .... nothing, nada .... i am surprised nobody is discussing this ...
I'm wondering the same thing. No one's questioned why XBL was down for 27 hours (which is unusually long for XBL and practically an eternity for microsoft in terms of downtime). Xbox.com mentions upgrades coming to "my xbox" but i'm guessing this has more to do with server or network upgrades. Anyone remember how E3 06 practically melted the XBL servers? Maybe MS has something big coming out and doesn't want a repeat of that, or maybe they're testing new banhammer software.
I posted this on majornelson.com and have yet to recieve a reply.
QUOTE(NxJ NightHawk @ Oct 18 2006, 12:33 PM)
While i do understand that network and server maintenence is inevitably necessary, XBL being down for 27 hours then reappearing with no new discernable features is puzzling.
Major, the post on xbox.com mentioned some "cool stuff" was going to appear after XBL came back online. I have yet to see anything. I don't mean to criticise you, (far from it, I love the job you're doing for the community) but some more information regarding what MS has actually upgraded/added to warrant such downtime would be appreciated. Hopefully you are planning on posting more info and just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Major, the post on xbox.com mentioned some "cool stuff" was going to appear after XBL came back online. I have yet to see anything. I don't mean to criticise you, (far from it, I love the job you're doing for the community) but some more information regarding what MS has actually upgraded/added to warrant such downtime would be appreciated. Hopefully you are planning on posting more info and just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Once xbox.com comes back online, we should have a better idea of what was updated, but if all that's new is the ability to listen to voice messages and view pictures on xbox.com and IM friends thru MSN messenger, i'm going to be pissed.
The community aren't idiots. If you're going to update a service, at least include a changelog. Otherwise people are going to start jumping to conclusions. That's how rumors get started and the last thing MS needs is bad PR.
Post by: Chancer on October 18, 2006, 06:48:00 AM
the useless and flame posts are about to go. Don't remake them or the thread is closed.
I am sure we don't all want to hear the same debate about will they ban won't they ban
Post by: Keva on October 18, 2006, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 07:01:00 AM
I don't even want to play anything right now but this is pretty pathetic.
As far as my 360 goes I'm sure I can sign on but I don't have time to play games right now. So I don't know.
:|
Post by: NxJ NightHawk on October 18, 2006, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Oct 18 2006, 02:08 PM)
Jeez, I'm very surprised MS still can't get everything up 100% or at least update the default page for xbox.com sites.
I don't even want to play anything right now but this is pretty pathetic.
Agreed. Anyone remember the verizon free MS points promo and how their website was always down? I'm guessing those guys are running the xbox.com site for the day cos i have yet to see even a single update to the homepage's default message.
Hell, at this point a countdown clock would be nice just to give us an average idea of when things will be back to normal. Right now all i want to know is what changed and what's new.
Post by: ramiuk1 on October 18, 2006, 07:22:00 AM
anyone else notice this
also theres no info about the changes/downtime
Post by: dkmsd on October 18, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 07:25:00 AM
As far as what shows up when you highlight "My Xbox" though it looks like nothing is new at all.
:\
Post by: Keva on October 18, 2006, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: FuNiOnZ on October 18, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: NxJ NightHawk on October 18, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
My guess is they're still tweaking xbox.com and will upload the pages once they're done.
This may just be to appease the masses and buy more time to finish maintenance.
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(FuNiOnZ @ Oct 18 2006, 02:36 PM)
Just got my 360 yesterday, what a hell of a day to buy one with no xbox live or anything. So I got up this morning, checked the live connection, every test is confirmed except Xbox Live, and I get the same message about downtime. And when I try to connect to Xbox Live it says theres an update so I update and it 'fails' for some unknown reason. *sigh*
Well my 360 is doing the same. It won't connect and everything passes on the test until Xbox Live which fails, too.
Unlike you, though, I don't get the message about downtime. I tried to go to "More Info" on the failed Xbox Live part but it brought up an empty window without any text.
I'd imagine while they're still working on it they disabled Xbox Live for the time being, noticing people were able to sign in but a lot couldn't play games or anything.
P.a.t.h.e.t.i.c.
Post by: MattyT on October 18, 2006, 07:36:00 AM
QUOTE
* Q: What kind of cool stuff?
* A: Secret cool stuff that we'll tell you about when we're back online October 18. Other stuff we'll be talking about later in the fall.
pretty secret to me MS
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 07:36:00 AM
QUOTE(ramiuk1 @ Oct 18 2006, 02:42 PM)
MICROSOFT WHATY IS GOING ON,USCEWING YOUR CONSUMERS HERE,WITH NO RESPNOSES OR INFO
Yeah, I agree they should tell us what's up somehow. I mean it's not that they're an hour late or something, it's that they're 7.5 hours late and counting! That's already like 33% longer than they planned almost!
Post by: Tha on October 18, 2006, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on October 18, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(ramiuk1 @ Oct 18 2006, 02:49 PM)
for such a big company its pathetic,this morning i could play online iwth a few games/but no xbox.com
xbox.com is partly up and now i cant log my gamer profile in on my 360 or my pc,i cant do anything and i payed £50 for splintercell:DA and i better be able to play it tomorrow whenb it gets delivered,and what about the phantasy star universe beta demo,that ends today,we been screwed outta 2 days of that.
at this moment in time,with the Wii and PS3 coming out within 1 months time,m$ should be giving people more to get them onside,not fuck them about and make them do the oppersite
Spoilt Child Syndrome. If that is your biggest worry, I feel really sorry for you. Your life must be empty
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: sp3cialk on October 18, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Oct 18 2006, 09:40 AM)
i know i dont know much about web design, and managing servers, but wouldn't it make waaaaaaaaaay more sense to test it on another offline server, and then take the xbox.com server offline, copy the files over, and put it back up, instead of taking down the xbox.com server to do the updates? it doesnt take over 24 hours to copy a couple of gigs worth of files from one server to another.
do you think they just did this blindly....? I know you said you do not know much about managing servers but I'm sure they tested this... most large corporations have test environments that are tested weeks if not months in advance prior to going to production (or live.. sorry I work for a manufacturing company) but doing updates are like updating your little xp machine sitting in front of you... I'm sure they are running M$ branded software (Probably MS Server 2K3 R2 Datacenter Ed.) but in my company if major updates are done to our mainframe it will take 24hours or more. Full backups take time... I think it's around 14hrs. just for the backup (but that is for OS,System,Files, etc... I know it takes 30 to 40 mins to do an IPL. So these things take time... they know what they are doing...
well most of the time... that's why they get paid the big bucks...
Post by: Tha on October 18, 2006, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(ramiuk1 @ Oct 18 2006, 03:49 PM)
It doesn't need 100 posts to say this.
Yes XBL is having probs at the moment (here too)
No its not your consoles
QUOTE(ramiuk1 @ Oct 18 2006, 02:49 PM)
for such a big company its pathetic,this morning i could play online iwth a few games/but no xbox.com
xbox.com is partly up and now i cant log my gamer profile in on my 360 or my pc,i cant do anything and i payed £50 for splintercell:DA and i better be able to play it tomorrow whenb it gets delivered,and what about the phantasy star universe beta demo,that ends today,we been screwed outta 2 days of that.
at this moment in time,with the Wii and PS3 coming out within 1 months time,m$ should be giving people more to get them onside,not fuck them about and make them do the oppersite
Spoilt Child Syndrome. If that is your biggest worry, I feel really sorry for you. Your life must be empty
sorry but this is a xbox 360 forum so if people want to say that its fucked up and that its NOT OKAY! the have the right to!
its not a forum to discuss the war in iraq or to talk about the hunger in the world.
i think its fucked up to, but i dont give a fuck about xbox live, but i think its not normal, first 24h down, now 50% up but very buggy....
Post by: titansu on October 18, 2006, 08:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Oct 18 2006, 02:51 PM)
Spoilt Child Syndrome. If that is your biggest worry, I feel really sorry for you. Your life must be empty
Thank GOD you're a MOD.... since you are the only one w/ logic in this tread.
Since you all love to download videos - here's an analogy of the situation (Walmart = XBOX Live, Crowd = You pimple-faced virgins)
http://www.smithappe...artstampede.wmv
The internet is up... get some exercise and watch some porn.
Wu-tang!
Post by: gamemaster14 on October 18, 2006, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
Post by: Tha on October 18, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(forster @ Oct 18 2006, 04:13 PM)
Ka-banned!
Anyway - as has already been said, just give it time. There are always other things you can do until everything calms down. Go outside, read a book, actually spend time with your significant other or friends.
Im looking forward to whatever these updates bring - Microsoft arent doing this to piss you off, they are doing it to bring you better content and a better gaming experience.
So calm the fuck down.
like i said, i dont give a fuck, i doesnt bother me how long it takes.
but dont say that it takes 24hrs, you know people start complaining about that...
lets sit back and wait
Post by: liteon6x on October 18, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
i am gonna on live now
Post by: Keva on October 18, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: b15ginz on October 18, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: ybaig123 on October 18, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
Don't see any new marketplace content..uhh...xbox.com looks the same too. oh well...guess i'll just wait
dude did this xbox live stats page ever exist before? Click on your gamertag thingy and it shows your stats ....maybe it did..but this is the first time i noticed it...holly shit!!!
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 09:02:00 AM
Well I clicked on an icon that looked out of place and it brought up this weird MI:3 thing saying "Welcome Hunt Agent" and a button for "Start your mission".
You can get it, too, if you get the black gamericon in that banner on "My Xbox."
I clicked on "Start your mission" and it brought up a 503 html error.
Here's a picture of the MI:3 gamercard:
http://www.imagehost...tagent.jpg.html
Here's where it sent me:
http://hunt.missioni...f2912d1fbb7f4ea
So is this some new feature or is it not new?
Here's a better upload of it....
http://server6.theim...g=huntagent.jpg
It's just weird. I think anyone can pull it up, though.
Post by: chedabob on October 18, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
im sure ive seen that before.
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Oct 18 2006, 04:11 PM)
^^
im sure ive seen that before.
Okay. Nevermind then.
I didn't think it was anything really special even if it was 'new' but I was just curious. Oh well.
Post by: skivvies on October 18, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Oct 18 2006, 04:09 PM)
I clicked on "Start your mission" and it brought up a 503 html error.
I found the same thing, I think it's more interesting that it says "Solve your mission". I'm not poking at your misquote, I more intrigued by the word 'Solve' for some reason.
Another one I clicked on said "Playing: Halo 6" which I found odd as well.
Edit: Thanks for the updated screen shot.
Post by: esdubu on October 18, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: DaShiZNiT on October 18, 2006, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(BasicAir @ Oct 18 2006, 10:13 AM)
Okay. Nevermind then.
I didn't think it was anything really special even if it was 'new' but I was just curious. Oh well.
I think we may have stumbled on a viral marketing campaign. "Global Hunt"
"Playing M:I: III Ultimate Mission -Online Scavenger Hunt"
This is clearly off topic, I just wanted to point that out.
[edit] ok looks to be old,
"The Ultimate Mission is now officially over. Keep checking the prizes & winners page to see which agents won great prizes including an XBOX 360, PSP, Portable DVD Player, and Video IPOD
Thank you to all agents who participated in the Hunt. We hope you enjoyed the mission as much as we did. Your service to the IMF is greatly valued.
Sincerely,
-IMF Headquarters"
[/edit]
Post by: demon0ne on October 18, 2006, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Mega_mil @ Oct 18 2006, 11:18 AM)
After reading all 18 pages of this, some of you people need to calm down. Go outside and interact with the world until everything is back to working 100%.
most ppl dont know what outside is = )
Post by: demon0ne on October 18, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: gamemaster14 on October 18, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
QUOTE
Thats a bit rich coming from someone who boasts in their sig about their modded xbox.
or are you just envious because you dont have a 360 ??
or are you just envious because you dont have a 360 ??
If you even bothered to look under my name you would see that I am a proud owner of an xbox 360. Just because you have a modded console doesnt mean you download games and then go on message board fearing you wont be able to play your precious "backups". I just get mad as the often misuse of the word backup. I know many people who think a downloaded game is a backup even if you dont own the game. So please read before you criticize.
Post by: swodie on October 18, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
Sorry for the post, it works fine now, must have been a microsoft glitch.
Post by: mitch2025 on October 18, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: jimjom on October 18, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: RionFaust on October 18, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: kly69 on October 18, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: axess68 on October 18, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
As far as the 360, I couldn't log on at first. Then, I could log on, but no marketplace. Then marketplace was active a couple hours later.
I think they probably fudged the update somehow. It probably won't be normal again till tomorrow....or later.
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 05:03:00 PM
What's the deal with it disconnecting?
Everything was fine for me. I played about an hour+ of CoD2 then went to my dash. As soon as I booted my Lumines demo it immediately signed me off before it started to load. Since others reported this I promptly went back to the dash and tried to log back in. Nope. Test only brings up 'failed' for Xbox Live and when you hit "A" on it there's just a blank screen where there should be text.
There's no doubt this is coincidence as I don't even have any 'backups'! Are my discs are legit/retail!
I tried 15 minutes later with my 360 still on the dash and nothing. Must still be updating, yeah?
Post by: vinz on October 18, 2006, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: jimjom on October 18, 2006, 05:08:00 PM
the thing that is really annoying is everyone mygamercard's going blank and/or not updating.... oh well. hope it updates soon....
Post by: TRIaXOR on October 18, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(vinz @ Oct 19 2006, 12:14 AM)
It just went down a few hours ago for me. I was in the middle of a game of Uno and I got disconnected. My friend is still playing though >_< I'm in FL. Maybe it is area specific. I have been tying to get back on but it always fails at "xbox live"
Failed for me too here in Glasgow UK, but to be honest, I'm actually relieved to see others arent signing in and its not just me
was wanting a game of links 2004 from the original xbox with me brother (the demo of tiger woods 07 on the 360 (just like fifa 07) blows donkey..) and it just disconnected me, then it wouldnt reconnect (for a second I thought I wuz banned but me 360 is unmodded so I quickly discounted that
)this bloody update better be worth it and not just updated parental controls
and the status codes I get on the test are..
W: 0000-000B
X: 0000-F009
Y: 0C8A-0DE0
Z: AFFF-0016
Post by: xzenor on October 18, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: wafflezone on October 18, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(xzenor @ Oct 19 2006, 12:40 AM)
My Xbox Live connection passes all the way through, but it won't login normally. Keeps asking me if I want to test the connection. Wow they really @%@$&* it up didnt they??
Mine is doing the same thing now on a modded xbox 360. I hope they didnt find us!
Post by: TRIaXOR on October 18, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
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Post by: purepwnage12560 on October 18, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
Post by: kly69 on October 18, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: daver on October 18, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: adamc91115 on October 18, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(kly69 @ Oct 18 2006, 07:12 PM)
ok this doesnt look good. i have 2 modded 360's and 2 live accounts. ive been playing on my one acount for about an hr or so. right in the middle of a splinter cell match i get disconnected. now at first i could log into live if i was at the dash but when i loaded a game(even arcarde games) i would get disconnected. well then i couldnt get on live at all. now i go into my other room power on my other 360 with my other account, boom connect instantly and can easily get into a game of texas hold em with no problem. so i pop out that memory unit that has the account that can connect to live, slap on my hard drive that has the account that wouldnt connect previously on my other box and i still cant connect with that account. to make a long story short, no matter how i mix and match accounts and boxes, i cant connect with the box or account i was playing on earlier but can connect on my other box and account. ive even plugged them into the same ethernet port, using the same cable. very strange, very strange indeed.
its just a problem with live... my xbox is not modded in any way and i'm having the exact same problem.
Post by: kly69 on October 18, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: BasicAir on October 18, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
QUOTE(TRIaXOR @ Oct 19 2006, 12:34 AM)
was wanting a game of links 2004 from the original xbox with me brother
Haha, right on, man -- Links 2004 was the best Xbox golf game hands down.
Although the Tiger Woods games are decent, they just aren't as good. Nope. I was very p.o.'ed that MS sold Links in the first place, then even more pissed that 2K Sports didn't make a new one and has no plans to.
How stupid! They could blow Tiger Woods sales out of the water with a next-gen Links. Grrrr...
Post by: poop1 on October 18, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
they really fudged things up now ..
Post by: daver on October 18, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
QUOTE(poop1 @ Oct 18 2006, 07:39 PM)
lol , mine was saying there is a network problem , then it said my gamertag was no good , now it says it is corrupt .
they really fudged things up now ..
same here, i just bought my xbox today, and im like "wtf"
Post by: Firebat138 on October 18, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(gamemaster14 @ Oct 18 2006, 10:37 PM)
If you even bothered to look under my name you would see that I am a proud owner of an xbox 360. Just because you have a modded console doesn’t mean you download games and then go on message board fearing you wont be able to play your precious "backups". I just get mad as the often misuse of the word backup. I know many people who think a downloaded game is a backup even if you don’t own the game. So please read before you criticize.
Well..I think what he saying is.....Dont BRAG about you are the only savior that buys games...Who's the fool? Buy....download...whatever....Just dont brag about here....People cant brag about the torrent they just downloaded...then you cant brag bout the game you just bought...we dont care. Spend your money...The economy will be better off in your eyes....But they will have more games....I personally I don't game at all..It's a sin and all games should be abolished....If I may quote that Senator dude....What was his name?
Post by: elmo_sni on October 18, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
lets get on topic guys...
i just talked to an xbox rep over the phone from 18004myxbox
and he gave me some bad news...
...xbox live is down...
the best time to try to login for pre-downtime stability would be tomorrow he said.
<sarcasm]and i'm on the edge of suicide here</sarcasm]
PSU ends today and now i gotta wait another 6 days to get it...
damn you m$
i just talked to an xbox rep over the phone from 18004myxbox
and he gave me some bad news...
...xbox live is down...
the best time to try to login for pre-downtime stability would be tomorrow he said.
<sarcasm]and i'm on the edge of suicide here</sarcasm]
PSU ends today and now i gotta wait another 6 days to get it...
damn you m$
Post by: skivvies on October 18, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: elmo_sni on October 18, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
good point i do believe this "downtime" was due to parental controls not being strong enough...
Post by: ZPaul2Fresh8 on October 18, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
Ah well, the GRAW update wasn't released anyhow. Maybe tomorrow.
Post by: Xombe on October 18, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Firebat138 @ Oct 19 2006, 09:48 AM)
People cant brag about the torrent they just downloaded...then you cant brag bout the game you just bought...
Incorrect statement.
Rules forbid discussion of downloading games. Legitimate gamers can brag all day long about the games they buy. It's called the moral high ground and it's defended here.
Post by: wans on October 18, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
QUOTE(TRIaXOR @ Oct 19 2006, 01:34 AM)
Failed for me too here in Glasgow UK, but to be honest, I'm actually relieved to see others arent signing in and its not just me
was wanting a game of links 2004 from the original xbox with me brother (the demo of tiger woods 07 on the 360 (just like fifa 07) blows donkey..) and it just disconnected me, then it wouldnt reconnect (for a second I thought I wuz banned but me 360 is unmodded so I quickly discounted that
)this bloody update better be worth it and not just updated parental controls
and the status codes I get on the test are..
W: 0000-000B
X: 0000-F009
Y: 0C8A-0DE0
Z: AFFF-0016
Been having the same problems as you guys since the day PSU came out, my tests all pass and yet xbox live fails, very frustrating.
I have the very same status codes as the guy quoted here, i have a feeling you guys, like me are gonna be offline for a while.
I had been through every test imaginable, the only thing stopping me calling my ISP's tech support is i dont speak spanish!
Will be watching this thread like a hawk, meanwhile check out the thread regarding this problem i created last week - http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=554766
Good luck guys, if anyone wants more details give me a hallow.
Post by: Eraser77 on October 18, 2006, 08:38:00 PM
I try to sign in to my xbl gold account, it says it cant connect to live.... then it said my gamertag is corrupt!
I go and try my buddies xbl gold account (whos profile is on my xbox) and it works INSTALY...
Then I go into UNO, and it kicks me off....
WTF is going on..?
Post by: j3y q on October 18, 2006, 09:10:00 PM
....defintely playing single player
Post by: NxJ NightHawk on October 18, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
MS did go over their 24 hour quoted time but there's nothing that can be done about it on here. You wanna complain? Call up your xbox support team and bitch to them that you're not getting a service you paid for-etc (I'm not being sarcastic, go and do it!). If enough people do it, maybe it'll get MS to try and speed up repairs and get live back up fully.
In the meantime, take a break, work on singleplayer games for a while and chill out.
Xbox live is currently borked. Instead of wasting time trying to sign in, why not do something else with your day?
When live is back up 100%, i'm sure MS will announce it so just stick major nelson's site into your rss reader and you're good to go.
Post by: j3y q on October 19, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on October 19, 2006, 02:27:00 AM
I wonder how many people have messed with their settings during this , and will then find they still can't connect later on because of it.
Even though this is clearly a fault at MS side of things some people with hacked consoles are still convincing themselves they are doomed for ever
Post by: NxJ NightHawk on October 19, 2006, 03:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Analyzer52 @ Oct 19 2006, 09:27 AM)
Could you contradict yourself anymore in one statement
Haha, you're right. I just read over my original post and it definitely could have been worded better.
That's the last time i post on Xbox-Scene when i'm still half-asleep.
Post by: ^white stallion^ on October 19, 2006, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: wans on October 19, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Put HDD back onto original box and still cant sign in!
Looks like my original is getting sold on.
Post by: Havok on October 19, 2006, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(wans @ Oct 19 2006, 08:45 PM)
well guys, just bought a new machine... Took my HDD from my original console and put it on the new one, signed straight into live!
Put HDD back onto original box and still cant sign in!
Looks like my original is getting sold on.
Well since your original box is useless for Live now (according to you) might as well sell it to me cheap... I'll buy it..
Post by: laurie on October 19, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
Yes its going to happen and yes we should accept these as the consequences for having the modded drives, but its still going to piss us of. Someone said if you commit the crime you do the time but you still dont enjoy the time do you?
Anyway.
UK server
Samsung drive (flashed)
Marketplace working.
Xbox live arcade working.
All games seem fine too.
Can see no updates to live other than speed.
Post by: wans on October 19, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
I read an old topic on xbox.com's forum ( search for "live failed" ), that there was a fault with refurbished consoles, i count find a definative answer or solutions as the thread was old and the links for the full thread were dead, it mentions cache clearing etc etc.
None of which got me back online, i contacted customer support who told me my account was fine and there was no problems at all at there end, they asked me to check my ports and such, went through the usual 15 minute script before the guys brain actually kicked in and his mouth began to work for itself.
I then asumed it must be an ISP fault, but a friend of mine that lives nearby was connecting fine.
So i took a gamble and bought a new console, and it worked first time, i then flashed the firmware with the latest hitachi FW and played online fine for the past 2 hours or so, i even managed to buy Lumines.
Tried my original 360 just now again and it is still failing the live test, and i wont be lossing on this 360, where i live there are many folk with no dsl/cable who will quite happily buy a pre modded console.
Post by: dumdum on October 19, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: Mana on October 19, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: dumdum on October 20, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
you can now enter your billing details etc etc from their website instead of the console, also the account management can be done via PC instead of doing it from console ...
i wish they had some sort of information on the new features instead of making people crazy and raising the anticipation levels
Post by: ferni on October 22, 2006, 07:07:00 PM