Post by: Xbox-Scene on January 21, 2008, 11:00:00 PM
Bunnie Analyses the Xbox360 RROD Issue ... Posted by XanTium | January 22 00:24 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: RMM on January 21, 2008, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: RRoD420 on January 21, 2008, 11:49:00 PM
Post by: Brizzzer on January 22, 2008, 12:14:00 AM
Post by: Base8 on January 22, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: mole1012000 on January 22, 2008, 06:47:00 AM
So a little more media spotlight can`t hurt.
Post by: joeyddr on January 22, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(vanxman @ Jan 22 2008, 12:24 PM) 
You are assuming people don't LIKE to beat dead horses!!! Isn't there like a medical name for that fetish?
ROFLMAO
good one lol
Post by: warmaster_670 on January 22, 2008, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Brizzzer @ Jan 22 2008, 02:50 AM)
So another words just better quality building of the units and it fixes a lot of the issues?(Chinese are too cheap I guess! lol)
ya, im sure it was all the chinese and certainly wasn't Microsoft cutting corners to make more money.
Post by: chipD on January 22, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
QUOTE(warmaster_670 @ Jan 22 2008, 04:33 PM)
ya, im sure it was all the chinese and certainly wasn't Microsoft cutting corners to make more money.
I compared my launch day 360 to my newer elite with the extra gpu heatpipe, and the solder quality is actually worse on the elite.It looks like they cut corners even more now then they did at launch.I have my 360 put back together now or i would post some pics, but if you look at the solder points alot of them have "pits" (hard to explain but they look like craters on the moon) I can only imagine how poor the solder balls are underneath the bga chips.
Post by: bridarshy on January 22, 2008, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: bockjacob on January 22, 2008, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(bridarshy @ Jan 22 2008, 10:00 AM)
Zune + this + Vista + IE = F- for MS.
Hey there's nothing wrong with the new zunes.
Post by: Devedander on January 22, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: Fyb3roptik on January 22, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: sirsmacketh on January 22, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
Coming up with the funding to cover these failed consoles just says to the consumer... yes you're covered if it fails.
It's the consumer's choice to decide whether or not to "chance it" in the hopes of their 360 not dying on them.
If you look at the NPD number for December, the consumer has spoken. Despite MS' admission to the failures.. people still bought a crap load of 360s.
Would a few months more of design solve this issue? Noone knows. The problem is either heat or manufacturing related.
Guess it's a good thing the power supply isn't inside the 360 case. lol
One thing is for sure, with the upcoming hardware revisions, one would HOPE that MS has learned from this and will try to fix the problem.
Post by: cena4ever on January 22, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on January 22, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
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if Microsoft shorted safety margins around many of the design parameters to get the product out on time
then you have a bunch of pissed off 360 owners dealing with bad customer service and delayed repairs. oh wait, we do? so it does make sense.
Post by: twistedsymphony on January 22, 2008, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(bridarshy @ Jan 22 2008, 11:00 AM)
Zune + this + Vista + IE = F- for MS.
QUOTE(bockjacob @ Jan 22 2008, 12:09 PM)
Hey there's nothing wrong with the new zunes.
Nothing wrong with the old Zunes either.
Aside from DRM and Memory Hoggery there's nothing wrong with Vista
IE6 might blow but IE7 added tabs and fixed most of the major CSS error, IE8 is slated to pass the Acid 2 test which means it has better compatibility than Firefox 2 (though FF3 beta also passes Acid 2)
and there's nothing wrong with the 360 aside from RROD issues... Manufacturing problems can be fixed which is really the only problem with the console IMO.
I don't patronize MS if I don't have to, I use Firefox exclusively I'm migrating from XP to Linux to avoid using Vista, and my decision to buy an Xbox was based purely on the games and features available there that I couldn't get anywhere else. I encourage friends and relatives to use open office as opposed to MS office, and I've got my company to shift software development from VB to Java.
Despite the fact that I don't care for MS and use more open alternatives when I can, their products are far from an "F" and just bashing them for the sake of bashing them is nothing but blatant fanboyism.
Post by: HotKnife420 on January 22, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jan 22 2008, 10:35 PM)
Nothing wrong with the old Zunes either.
Aside from DRM and Memory Hoggery there's nothing wrong with Vista
IE6 might blow but IE7 added tabs and fixed most of the major CSS error, IE8 is slated to pass the Acid 2 test which means it has better compatibility than Firefox 2 (though FF3 beta also passes Acid 2)
and there's nothing wrong with the 360 aside from RROD issues... Manufacturing problems can be fixed which is really the only problem with the console IMO.
I don't patronize MS if I don't have to, I use Firefox exclusively I'm migrating from XP to Linux to avoid using Vista, and my decision to buy an Xbox was based purely on the games and features available there that I couldn't get anywhere else. I encourage friends and relatives to use open office as opposed to MS office, and I've got my company to shift software development from VB to Java.
Despite the fact that I don't care for MS and use more open alternatives when I can, their products are far from an "F" and just bashing them for the sake of bashing them is nothing but blatant fanboyism.
+1 (first time I've used that expression
)My friend bought a Zune when it came out, and I thought it was great. Really gave the ipod a run for it's money.
As for Vista, I don't know why there's such a huge fuss; I use 'Ultimate' and haven't had any real issues with it. Occasionally, I'll have a program crash, but nothing that didn't also happen in XP (at least for me). IE crashed a lot, but I use Firefox and don't have any problems, so it seems to be isolated to that. The only thing I can't figure out is why if I double click an mp3, it will open in winamp, but if I select a group and launch, it wants to use WMP (which stays running even when I close it, according to task manager). Since I haven't heard of this being a common experience, I'm assuming I did something somewhere to cause this dilemma, but haven't been too motivated to fix the problem, either. I haven't noticed DRM in Vista getting in the way of any of my normal activities, so I don't view it as a negative.
The Xbox was one of the most stable consoles we've seen, wheras the success of the 360 will have a common association of "potential faliure", as many 360 owners have never owned an original xbox. If anyone recalls the PS2's of old, however, system failures can be forgotten by the general masses.
Post by: GamestationOH on January 22, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
A word on the difference in the Video Game Industry and M$ Software... It has been the standard since 1985 to sell the game machine and lose money on each sale , and make all the profits on the game sales and licensing to 3rd party software developers (Electronic Arts, Namco)
Each price drop on the game systems precede after a re-engineering of the game system to cut costs. It takes years of production to turn profit on the system itself.
So... Microsoft has lost their butts on this problem!
Post by: GamestationOH on January 22, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
http://blog.seattlep...ives/129866.asp
Nice interview!
Post by: skeen on January 23, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Fyb3roptik @ Jan 22 2008, 09:44 AM)
For what its worth....MS did pony up to the failures and offered to repair it for free......and even payed for shipping. You didnt see Sony doing that for the PS2 when they KNEW the dvd drives were bad.....
Actually they did, but only after they were forced to because of a lawsuit. Even then if you wanted it fixed for free you had to say the magic words "disc read error" or they'd try and charge you. When I called Sony (about 6 times) to get PS2's fixed, I could never get them to admit there was ever a lawsuit or a problem with the drives. Part of the lawsuit in their favor must have been that they didn't have to admit any guilt. Either that or they just hired ignorant morons.
So I agree, at least MS did buck up and fix them for free presumably without a gun to their head. I still don't think I'll be getting one until the problem(s) seem to be fixed properly.