Post by: deekaey on October 30, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
I used the towel trick once, it worked, but only for one night, hasnt worked since.
I did Lawdawgs Xclamp conversion.
here's the weird part, the first time i burned after the xclamp fix ( the xbox powered on with green lights, and flashed around the sectors like it was normally booting up. The instruction said to let it over heat, so i did.
After reassembling everything, I cut it on to find a 0020 error again.
Took everything apart, cleaned and reapplied thermal paste, and this time I rescrewed all 8 of the black screws( dunno if this was necessary or not)
Strait to 2 reds.
I loosened the gpu screws that i got from homedepot so that they were just snug, not overly tight.
3rlod this time with a 0022 error.
After repeated trials of tightening and losening and leaving some screws out or having them all in.
No dice.
Now I am getting 0020 and cannot do anything to change it.
I am stuck.
Also, just a side note, I only replaced the xclamp to the shorter grey heatsink, the GPU.
Another side note that I have noticed is that things didnt line up when I just dropped the mobo in the case, I had to push down the mobo to put the RF panel and cables in to test, which means that I am bending the mobo.
I really dont know what to do, after 8 hours of screwing, unscrewing, researching, testing, cursing, more importantly not doing my studies, I have decided to get some outside help.
ANYTHING you can think of, give it to me.
pls.
David.
Post by: dallasmilton318 on October 31, 2007, 03:45:00 AM
Post by: deekaey on October 31, 2007, 09:35:00 AM
just replace the one on the backside?
also can i get a link to the working shim method?
thansk
Post by: dallasmilton318 on October 31, 2007, 09:34:00 AM
QUOTE(deekaey @ Oct 31 2007, 11:35 AM) 
On the CPU side there are xclamps on top and on bottom.
just replace the one on the backside?
also can i get a link to the working shim method?
thansk
http://rbjtech.bulld.../XClamp.htm#ten
There is the link for shim method
Post by: skaiwalker on October 31, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
You have to error and trial. The key in its boisterous it him spanner. Try other method. Or way of which I use
My method:
Crosscut an eraser 0.5 cm and used to sprag mobo.
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
It seems like the center of the mobo sticks up higher than the rest? what would erasers do? and could it be because the head of the screws are too big?
also, should I even worry about doing the xclamp for the cpu heatsink? i did the GPU already
Post by: two-rok on November 01, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
i am still getting the 0020 light
just to sum things up, when i am testing (after the overheat of course)
i have :
-av/componet cable
- power cable
- fan
- dvd drive
- no mobo screws at all except the ones holding the heatsinks down.
also the eraser trick doesnt make sense to me, if the board has to flex down for me to plug in the my cables, why would i add more stuff to the bottom of it? wouldnt that just make it taller?
i have my box open now, with no clue of where to go next
i have 1 nylon washer on each side of the gpu screws and 1 nylon on te backside and 1 nylon/1metal on the top of the CPU
also someone mentioned taking off the metal part where the xlcamps use to be, freeing room for my screw heads...
how would i go about this in a dorm room with no access to power tools?
i doubt a hack and slash session on my metal box would result well.
Post by: two-rok on November 01, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 05:49:00 PM
i feel like an idiot because i am really savvy when it comes to computers and figuring out why they arent working.
i know im missing something...
has anyone fixed something similar to my situation?
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
i have tried over and over to get it to post, but cant get around the 3RL
Post by: booker on November 01, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
xclamp, pennys and still not working
your 360 is done.
I´m on the same boat as you. After many month reviving my console,this time is imposible... X clamp, pennys, and nothing worked.
Still get 0102 error code.
If i overheat, the console will power up but it will freeze after a few sec or min.
I guess is time to get a new console.
Post by: dallasmilton318 on November 01, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
PS: I never tried the eraser trick or pennies but I think the board must be screwed back down to case in order for that to work causing a flex to the board. I wasnt about to insulate those hot ram chips with a eraser or wrapped pennies anyway. Those guys get super hot.
This post has been edited by dallasmilton318: Nov 2 2007, 05:07 AM
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
I cannot get past redlights with any method :
Towel Trick
Tightening the screws to max tight and slowly loosening and trying each time
In case, out of case
different screws tightened
different washers
the weird thing is, when i first tried, i got all greens during the burn process until it overheated.
when i put everything together, it didnt work
and i havent gotten past the 3 reds yet
Post by: deekaey on November 01, 2007, 11:39:00 PM
out of the case i go through burn process, everythings looking normal
i test it out after burn process, and i get a 0021 error, dvd drive not cooperating with the cpu chip?
doesnt make sense because
A) i dont even have a dvd or game in
reapplying thermal paste wouldnt make the dvd drive's firmware freak outthe other chance i heard was a cold soder on the south bridge, which in this case im screwed because i dont have access to any type of resodering tools
can anyone make anything of this?
Post by: chain2331 on November 02, 2007, 03:58:00 AM
QUOTE(deekaey @ Nov 2 2007, 07:15 AM) 
so after one last attempt i took apart the heatsinks again, swabbed them up good with AS5, put everything perfectly back, slowly, and carefully
out of the case i go through burn process, everythings looking normal
i test it out after burn process, and i get a 0021 error, dvd drive not cooperating with the cpu chip?
doesnt make sense because
A) i dont even have a dvd or game in
reapplying thermal paste wouldnt make the dvd drive's firmware freak outthe other chance i heard was a cold soder on the south bridge, which in this case im screwed because i dont have access to any type of resodering tools
can anyone make anything of this?
I am in same boat as u are , i was having 0102 error , did xclamps , penny , overheat , loosing and tighting screws , but now i am getting 0021 error..
I am also looking for try something different.If u guys get going futher please post your thaughts here.
Regards
Chain
Post by: delahmed on November 07, 2007, 05:58:00 AM
i have done quite a few 3lod fixes, and i am not faimliar with lawdawgs method, i believe RBJTechs MK3 x-clamp replacement method is the best one.
you mention u got green lights, the first time u attempted overheating, and then back to red again with 0020. This is a vague error but i reproduced it and believe that the CPU washers may be too thick and not be making good contact with the dye and heatsink.
i strongly recommend you to try the rbjtech mk3 method, if u live in the UK, i do not mind fixing it for you for a price. PM me..
next time you open up the 360, turn it on without the fan connected and time how long it takes to overheat, whilst touching the heatsinks with your hands, if they are getting v hot within 30-60 seconds then this is a good sing. By the time u get 2 red lights, you should not be able to touch the heatisinks for too long as it is that hot.
when i was getting the 0020 error, both heatsinks were getting hot, but the CPU was not getting hot as quickly as i expected (i have done temp reading analysis before and was comparing to a healthy 360), thus i removed 1 0.5mm washer (i accidently put 2 above mboard inseatad of 1)... this fixed it....
good luck mate...
D
Post by: delahmed on November 07, 2007, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(deekaey @ Nov 1 2007, 08:42 PM)
i have 1 nylon washer on each side of the gpu screws and 1 nylon on te backside and 1 nylon/1metal on the top of the CPU
also someone mentioned taking off the metal part where the xlcamps use to be, freeing room for my screw heads...
how would i go about this in a dorm room with no access to power tools?
i doubt a hack and slash session on my metal box would result well.
if u still have your original screw that held the heatsink to the x-clamp. Take out the chip and mboard out of the chassis, put the heatsink screw into the mboard hole, it should just fall in. Now look at the height between the mboard and where the eahtsink would normally screw donwn onto.... the gap is about 1mm, you need to replicate this with your nylon washers.... if the gap is ignored (i.e no washers above mboard, the mboard will flex, normal to get the 3 red lights, if the gap is too much, then there is bad contact between the dye and heatsink, both result in red lights.... how thick are your nylon washers?
PM me, when you reply to this message, so i know to read your update.
p.s. if u in a dorm room, all you need is a power hand drill (they cost about $20 for budget oens, but it will do the trick, you only need a 5mm drill bit), why dotn you make some friends from the Design faculty? they notrmally own power drills or have access to them....
Post by: deekaey on November 10, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
now im getting a 0021 error so im going to buy a soldering kit and resoder the traces i scratched and resoder the southbridge
have any tips? if this is even the right thing to do?
Post by: deekaey on November 10, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
1) The xbox greened all the way after the scratch before i tried to overheat it the first time.
2) The scratch was thin, and it looks like i just damaged the outer coating
As far as the 0021 error code goes
A) I have a flashed xbox that has worked fine, so i dont think its the DVD drive problem
The other idea states it to be a southbridge chipset problemIf it is the southbridge, how would I go about resoldering the chip back on. I'm wondering if there is a tutorial anywhere about getting it off and putting it back on.
Any help is greatly appreciated
Feel Free to PM me for my AIM sn and we can chat more easily
Post by: deekaey on November 10, 2007, 07:27:00 PM
still waiting on feedback as to where to go next