Post by: Renegade56 on October 20, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
Did x-clamp a week ago, everything worked fine. Took the x-clamp off to do some mobo soldering.Put everything back together and now I am getting error 0022. After changing the # of washers and tighteness still cant get it. So now I am looking for a good guy/company to go to. Im looking to spend $50 for the fix (I think that is what i've read it costs)
Post by: THDVL on October 20, 2007, 07:07:00 PM
go here http://xbox360-pros.com/xbox-360-repair-service.aspx
I'm probably going to send mine to them monday.. they charge 60-90$. I would rather do this and have a perm fix than just a temp xclamp fix that may go out at anytime.
This post has been edited by THDVL: Oct 21 2007, 02:08 AM
Post by: Tortuga2112 on October 20, 2007, 07:20:00 PM
superbee and bojngles do this.
but for $50 you're not going to get a re-ball. reflow only for that price. you're looking at double that or more for re-balling , its a much more labour intensive process , though. probably the only real fix for the 3RLOD ,
but it takes some very expensive equipment.
Post by: THDVL on October 20, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Well... after searchin google I'm guessing superbee and bojngles are members here, not websites lol.. Color me retarded.
This post has been edited by THDVL: Oct 21 2007, 03:17 AM
Post by: Renegade56 on October 20, 2007, 11:54:00 PM
Tortugga~ Im from California.
This post has been edited by Renegade56: Oct 21 2007, 06:56 AM
Post by: bojngles on October 21, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
Yes we are featured in OXM and we will be having another half page feature next month as well. We do plenty of cooling upgrades in addition to the reflow to keep your system running cool and stop the red lights from ever coming back.
Post by: Relix on October 21, 2007, 05:33:00 PM
I did the X Clamp fix on mine, and its dying again, will need to re-ball it. You guys do this? Cuz if so I am sending mine as fast as I can =P
Post by: troublemaker400 on October 21, 2007, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: Navillos on October 21, 2007, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: bojngles on October 21, 2007, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: RDC on February 02, 2020, 09:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Relix @ Oct 21 2007, 08:09 PM) 
So, you guys do reballing or only reflow?
I did the X Clamp fix on mine, and its dying again, will need to re-ball it. You guys do this? Cuz if so I am sending mine as fast as I can =P
Contact superbee (xb360reflow.com) about having that done, and he does reflows as well. Unless you're severely attached to that 360 though, buying a Core system and selling off the PSU and such from it and the old 360 to recoup some of the cost would be the better option opposed to a reball. After shipping cost and the reball you're looking at around half, or more, of the cost of a Core system, and since you can sell off the things from it ya don't need plus the old one that makes it even cheaper.
Post by: gbedi on October 22, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: gbedi on February 03, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(gbedi @ Oct 22 2007, 06:01 PM)
I tried calling and emailing xbox pros... no response. the 1-800 number disconnects after one ring and their local 516 number seems to be disconnected. What's up bojingles? I'm ready to send my xbox in!
nevermind, got through to them, will post back on results!
Post by: troublemaker400 on October 22, 2007, 02:36:00 PM
Just trying to clarify who does what, and what is the better fix.
Thanks in advance,
Luke
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on October 22, 2007, 03:46:00 PM
As the 360's motherboard heats and cools many times, it warps, and some of the solder balls will crack and stop conducting.
One fix is to heat up the GPU with a SMT rework station, and reflow (remelt) the solder balls so that the broken ones will flow back together and fix the connection. The limitation is that the lead-free solder used on the 360 is hard to work with and is brittle (why they broke in the first place).
The better alternative is to actually remove the GPU/CPU from the board, remove all the solder, put fresh solder balls on the chips, and reinstall them on the board with a BGA rework station.
Post by: Relix on October 25, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Oct 22 2007, 11:22 PM) 
The CPU and GPU connect to the motherboard through hundreds of balls of solder in between the two components.
As the 360's motherboard heats and cools many times, it warps, and some of the solder balls will crack and stop conducting.
One fix is to heat up the GPU with a SMT rework station, and reflow (remelt) the solder balls so that the broken ones will flow back together and fix the connection. The limitation is that the lead-free solder used on the 360 is hard to work with and is brittle (why they broke in the first place).
The better alternative is to actually remove the GPU/CPU from the board, remove all the solder, put fresh solder balls on the chips, and reinstall them on the board with a BGA rework station.
Hmm, know anyone who does that? Anywhere? I am willing to ship the console
Post by: troublemaker400 on October 26, 2007, 04:01:00 AM
So far I've gathered that xbox360pros do a reflow and "cooling mods" that I'm not sure what they are.
xb360reflow will either reflow or reball.
I'm not sure which one is the better repair. Any experience with these guys?
Luke
Post by: BerT69 on October 26, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
I work at a local video game store doing repairs, the xclamp mod has done much, but slowly some of the systems returned..SOOO I looked into reflow services. All of the boards sent off had been either fitted with new thermal paste and xclamp mod, or were just dead all together.
I send 4 ROD boards and drives to both companies
www.xbox360-pros.com= I sent them 4 boards, talked to the guys several times. Good communication and within the states so the shipping was nominal. The gentleman orignally told me it looked like all boards were reapairable, and requested prepayment. Then he called me 2 hours later to inform me they all were dead. Kinda weird, but He shipped them back, and did not charge me anything. Very professional in my opinion. So I was only out my shipping going to him, which is normal. This was for the reflow service. Truth of the matter is, like the original poster claimed, reballing is a good solution, but its not worth it in the long run, especially since 360 prices are coming down
http://www.xb360reflow.com/ = Sent 4 boards (2 of them were from xbox360-pros batch) And the 2 that were untouched boards came back functioning and so far still are. I have them under grueling halo3 lan parties for a day or so testing. Jack was real easy to reach and always called back. Great guy just seemed a bit high strung. Talked real fast
. Downside is hes in canada, so shipping was NUTS, but cost of the job was nominal so it almost made up for it. But shipping time was lengthy too. But Im happy with results so far, 2 out of 4. Im gettin another batch ready as we speak.Both people were super professional,,,, and communication was good too. Like I said, Im not downing anyone, this is just my experience so far. Seeing how I have many many more systems that are dead, Im sure I will have more chances to see what happens. I might even do a reball on one of my machines just to see the longevity. Me and Jack got into a good discussion about it. Reballing with leaded solder sounds good, but its lower temp solder, so whats to keep the same thing from happening if the board heats up and flexes, kinda sounds like a toss up to me.
Post by: waytoodeep03 on October 26, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
His page is here
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showuser=164910
Post by: SonicPower on October 29, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
Hopefully, they work?
Post by: SonicPower on November 06, 2007, 01:49:00 AM
They offered me a refurbished Xbox for $170. Take it or leave it?
Post by: SlickWilly440 on November 06, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Oct 22 2007, 11:22 PM) 
The CPU and GPU connect to the motherboard through hundreds of balls of solder in between the two components.
As the 360's motherboard heats and cools many times, it warps, and some of the solder balls will crack and stop conducting.
One fix is to heat up the GPU with a SMT rework station, and reflow (remelt) the solder balls so that the broken ones will flow back together and fix the connection. The limitation is that the lead-free solder used on the 360 is hard to work with and is brittle (why they broke in the first place).
The better alternative is to actually remove the GPU/CPU from the board, remove all the solder, put fresh solder balls on the chips, and reinstall them on the board with a BGA rework station.
So isn't the towel trick of overheating the cpu/gpu the cheaper/low quality version of the SMT rework station fix?
Also if the solder ball contained lead in them, this problem wouldn't occur?
Is it possible to reball the cpu/gpu using leaded solder balls without using a BGA work station?
Post by: SlickWilly440 on November 06, 2007, 12:17:00 PM
Nevermind, I did some searching and found the answers to my question in another, more detail thread discussing the Reballing of the 360 on this site.
Post by: waytoodeep03 on November 08, 2007, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(SlickWilly440 @ Nov 6 2007, 07:33 PM)
So isn't the towel trick or overheating the cpu/gpu by unplugging the fans the cheaper/low quality version of the SMT rework station fix?
I was thinking the same thing. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim?
Post by: SlickWilly440 on November 08, 2007, 09:36:00 AM
I can deny my own claim for you.
So I read this thread: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...79364&st=45 and according to SMTRework, he said that when overheating the 360, it does not get hot enough to reflow the lead-free solder, but it actually warps the board, in hopes of the cpu/gpu's solder balls reconnecting with each other. Thus temporarily solving the 3rlod problem.
This post has been edited by SlickWilly440: Nov 8 2007, 05:37 PM
Post by: troublemaker400 on November 08, 2007, 02:48:00 PM
If they can't fix mine then I'll probably end up trying to find an arcade system with the falcon chip in it.
I'll update once I hear something from them.
Post by: bebrewer1 on November 09, 2007, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: SonicPower on November 09, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
They refunded my money for the repairs and return shipping costs because I decided to give the Xbox 360 to them.
Post by: SlickWilly440 on November 09, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
QUOTE(SonicPower @ Nov 9 2007, 04:09 PM)
Update: Xbox-360 Pros could not fix my Xbox 360.
They refunded my money for the repairs and return shipping costs because I decided to give the Xbox 360 to them.
What would they have done if you wanted the console returned? Would they have kept the repair fee, even though they didn't fix it, and charged you money to ship the console back to you?
Do you 100% know that they couldn't fix the console? Maybe they fixed the console and then told you that they couldn't fix it, but they would give you a full refund if you let them keep the console. That way they can make much more money selling a fixed console.
This post has been edited by SlickWilly440: Nov 10 2007, 12:14 AM
Post by: troublemaker400 on November 14, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
The thing that irritates me the most is that they done the 12v mod without even so much as letting me know that they were going to do it and now my xbox sounds like a jet engine in my living room. Had I known this up front I would have sent it somewhere else or not sent it in at all, and just got an arcade system.
I called and talked to them about the lights not working and basically I expressed my concerns about the fans being on 100% blastoff all the time and I was told that the only way they will warranty thier repair is if that's done. I'm pretty upset about this because really I don't even want to play it if it's going to be that loud. I work in a factory all day and when I come home I don't want to have to listen to that.
I would recommend not using xbox360-pros.com unless you want a really loud xbox.
Luke
I'll post back up if they are willing to rectify the situation in some way.
Post by: bojngles on November 17, 2007, 08:40:00 PM
QUOTE(troublemaker400 @ Nov 14 2007, 06:59 PM)
Well I got mine back from xbox360pros today. It works, but the lights on the front of it are now out and do not work. I'm sending it back to them since I can't open it without voiding thier warranty. I can understand this...stuff happens and they're willing to fix it.
The thing that irritates me the most is that they done the 12v mod without even so much as letting me know that they were going to do it and now my xbox sounds like a jet engine in my living room. Had I known this up front I would have sent it somewhere else or not sent it in at all, and just got an arcade system.
I called and talked to them about the lights not working and basically I expressed my concerns about the fans being on 100% blastoff all the time and I was told that the only way they will warranty thier repair is if that's done. I'm pretty upset about this because really I don't even want to play it if it's going to be that loud. I work in a factory all day and when I come home I don't want to have to listen to that.
I would recommend not using xbox360-pros.com unless you want a really loud xbox.
Luke
I'll post back up if they are willing to rectify the situation in some way.
We will fix that problem you are having at no cost. We stand by our warranty. As for the fan mod, we can disable the 12v, but your console will overheat again and you will get the 3 red lights again. We do this modification to ensure you dont get the 3 red lights again.
Post by: bojngles on November 17, 2007, 08:23:00 PM
QUOTE(SlickWilly440 @ Nov 9 2007, 06:48 PM)
What would they have done if you wanted the console returned? Would they have kept the repair fee, even though they didn't fix it, and charged you money to ship the console back to you?
Do you 100% know that they couldn't fix the console? Maybe they fixed the console and then told you that they couldn't fix it, but they would give you a full refund if you let them keep the console. That way they can make much more money selling a fixed console.
We dont keep the repair fee if you want your console returned. We dont charge for an unsuccessful repair.
As for your concern about knowing if we cannot fix the console, we are not in the business to rip anyone off. We have repaired close to 4000 consoles and I have plenty of references who have had hundreds of consoles repaired by my company. In addition, we are also featured in the official xbox magazine where we had the editor check out our place. If you are still unsure, note serials of every component in the system. If you are local and want to check us out, feel free to check out our repair shop and play halo 3 on live on our HD tv
Post by: xlinkx on December 13, 2007, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: WickedSmurf on August 22, 2008, 11:34:00 PM
It appears that the Xb360Reflow website is down. What happened to that company?
Could any of you recommend additional companies that perform reballing services other than Xbox360-Pros?
Post by: ILikeMeat on August 23, 2008, 01:49:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on August 23, 2008, 03:35:00 AM
QUOTE(ILikeMeat @ Aug 23 2008, 09:25 AM)
I just know this because of ebay. There is someone on ebay, superiorreball, who does 360 reflows for 35 bucks with free return shipping. But he/she/ whoever has a website, google superiorreball, I bet they do reballing seeing as what their name is...
Nobody does a reball for $35.
Someone may claim to do it but reality is a spray with a heat gun and a load of bullshit thrown in about pro repair and reballing
Post by: ILikeMeat on August 23, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(ILikeMeat @ Aug 23 2008, 04:25 AM)
I just know this because of ebay. There is someone on ebay, superiorreball, who does 360 reflows for 35 bucks with free return shipping. But he/she/ whoever has a website, google superiorreball, I bet they do reballing seeing as what their name is...
QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 23 2008, 06:11 AM)
Nobody does a reball for $35.
Someone may claim to do it but reality is a spray with a heat gun and a load of bullshit thrown in about pro repair and reballing
Yes I am aware, that is why I said they do reflows for 35 dollars. I said that their username is "SuperiorReball" and they have a website, so I would think that they would reball your GPU for the right price (of well over 35 dollars)
Post by: Chancer on August 23, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
QUOTE(ILikeMeat @ Aug 23 2008, 06:02 PM)
Yes I am aware, that is why I said they do reflows for 35 dollars. I said that their username is "SuperiorReball" and they have a website, so I would think that they would reball your GPU for the right price (of well over 35 dollars)
The website has been built by a 10 year old using MS publisher. A company that really did have the equipment to do this would charge the correct money and would have a professional web site. I personally wouldn't trust anyone with my gear who operates a web site like that.
Post by: IrishGTP on August 23, 2008, 03:50:00 PM
Everything went fine when I shipped it out there and they sent it back around 10 days later. It was later than expected, but I didn't care.
When it came back the USB door on the front no longer had the spring working. The door just fell open and stayed. Once again, I didn't care TOO much, as I was told this was a permanent fix and I should probably expect some collateral damage along the way. Also, I should note that I paid $150 ($30 fee for estimate and then $120 for repair).
Now, come 6 months later of it working fine and I'm back to the same issue. It did exactly what it did the first time with occasionally erroring on start-up and then a restart would fix it. Now, it completely broke. It won't ever start up correctly, with the same error code. Figuring the xbox was toast, I opened it up to see what they did. I was afraid if I opened it up after they fixed it, I'd screw something up, so I never touched it.
First off, my x-clamps are gone. I don't know if this is part of the process and I'm a newb, but they were gone. Next, there were tools marks all over the inside of the case. Overall, I paid $150 to extend my 360 for 6 months.
I'm not trying to bash these guys, I'm just sharing my experience.
Post by: bonzof.pl on August 23, 2008, 04:56:00 PM
Specialists 2 post on a plan to further +1 super specjalist,raves are still hot airem.laughs in the eyes
10 year garanti (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) bonzo.pl. thought why?
responsibility for the bad repair scena.com moderator.
remove stupid turiale x/clamp
This post has been edited by bonzof.pl: Aug 24 2008, 12:11 AM
Post by: WickedSmurf on August 23, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
QUOTE(IrishGTP @ Aug 23 2008, 06:26 PM)
Ok, so there is a perfect time for me to post my experience....
To whom did you send your Xbox 360?
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 24, 2008, 02:50:00 AM
QUOTE(WickedSmurf @ Aug 24 2008, 05:58 AM)
To whom did you send your Xbox 360?
"SuperiorReball"
Read some posts at least before you reply with questions that you could have answered yourself...
Post by: bonzof.pl on August 24, 2008, 02:58:00 AM
acting
Post by: chadives on August 24, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
^^^this guy cracks me up LOL, he is like that little foreign friend no one pays attention to. "ok ok thats nice bonzo,...." I think what he is trying to say is that there is no permanent fix for 360, no reballing no nothing, there are a couple of people who think they have, including bonzo, but it is only speculation as none have had time to prove anything.
So people don't waste your time on paying a "professional" it is what it is, and there are many ways extend the life of your 360 and the number one way is extended warranty.
Post by: IrishGTP on August 25, 2008, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 24 2008, 05:26 AM)
"SuperiorReball"
Read some posts at least before you reply with questions that you could have answered yourself...
Actually, due to me not speaking clearly...I'm talking about bojngles and Xbox360 Pros.
Sorry for the confusion
Post by: ILikeMeat on August 25, 2008, 08:04:00 PM
QUOTE(chadives @ Aug 24 2008, 10:11 PM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ^^^this guy cracks me up LOL, he is like that little foreign friend no one pays attention to. "ok ok thats nice bonzo,...."
I think what he is trying to say is that there is no permanent fix for 360, no reballing no nothing, there are a couple of people who think they have, including bonzo, but it is only speculation as none have had time to prove anything.
So people don't waste your time on paying a "professional" it is what it is, and there are many ways extend the life of your 360 and the number one way is extended warranty.
True. He always posts links to his 360 video on youtube, or that video where he is soldering plastic together or somethign weird, or that Queen song. We are the champions? He is always linking us that...but I think he is smart if he could just learn english...
Post by: bonzof.pl on August 25, 2008, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: chadives on August 26, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
QUOTE(ILikeMeat @ Aug 25 2008, 10:40 PM)
True. He always posts links to his 360 video on youtube, or that video where he is soldering plastic together or somethign weird, or that Queen song. We are the champions? He is always linking us that...but I think he is smart if he could just learn english...
He is very smart, looked at his pictures one time, and he does actuall reflows as well as he pots his chips for even clamping pressure. Long before anyone else did. Just wish he made more sense cuz he has a lot to offer. Queen video cracked me up, that song friggin rules!
Post by: ILikeMeat on August 26, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(bonzof.pl @ Aug 26 2008, 01:05 AM)
There are people that show that black on black. The answer is white.
What does that mean? This guy cracks me up.
Post by: SYMBIOTIX on August 26, 2008, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Conundrum1911 on September 04, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(WickedSmurf @ Aug 23 2008, 01:34 AM)
My apologies for digging up an old thread.
It appears that the Xb360Reflow website is down. What happened to that company?
Could any of you recommend additional companies that perform reballing services other than Xbox360-Pros?
Bringing this thread back from the dead too, as I'm in Canada (Ontario), and have a falcon JTAG which decided to start giving me 0110 errors about a week ago (would still start and run on and off a bit, then lock up), and today decided to give me a 0022 GPU error.
Since this 'was' a working JTAG, I'd be willing to pay some money to have it professionally reballed, but unfortunately Xb360Reflow is down when I checked now (and looks like it might have been gone for a while). Is there anyone else doing professional repairs in Canada as to avoid the stupid shipping charges of going to the US?