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Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 15, 2007, 04:38:00 PM: What does it mean if im currently playin PGR4.....with my xbox constantly flashing 3 Red lights at me?
i did the xclamp fix recently, and fixed the problem.
But i mean this is just pure weird
its been like it for an hour, no change in performance, no slow downs or any issues!
Any ideas?
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: PilknDunn on October 15, 2007, 04:52:00 PM: How recently did you do the x-clamp replacement? ANd, did you try to restart is and see if it goes back to normal? Or hey, just leave it alone i prolly looks pretty cool.. lol
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 15, 2007, 04:57:00 PM: did the x-clamp about 2-3 weeks ago
and yeah tested it all b4 puttin the case back on n stuff
hahah yeah it does look pretty pimp!
just wondering if theres a reason why its doin it?
like my poor 360 is suffering! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) lol

EDIT: and no i havent restarted, cant be bothered to open it up again n shit if it doesnt turn back on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by slipknot89: Oct 15 2007, 11:58 PM
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: kensterdotnet on October 15, 2007, 05:28:00 PM: So you're just going to leave your 360 on?
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 15, 2007, 05:32:00 PM: well ima leave it on for 2nite until i go off
and see if it does the same in the mornin
just wonderin if this has happened to any1 else?
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: gabe681 on October 15, 2007, 05:42:00 PM: I had this happen just the other day as a matter of fact. Turned it back off and on again. It was fine for a day or so then the 3RLOD came back but this time it would boot and give the error E79, which according to the Pinned in the Hardware forums means that there is a device drive problem of some sort. I rebooted again and nothing no error screen just the 3RLOD. Ended up doing the heat gun fix again! and it is working again for the time being.

Also this xbox has been giving me trouble for a while now. It has the xclamp fix, the XCM high speed fan and some talismoon fans, and is in the XCM Hot Rox case, accourding to the temp from the Hot Rox case the "Air" and i say Air because the case does not give an acurate temp of the CPU or GPU, is at 37C. I'm close to saying no more and going out and getting myself a used core system, but who knows.
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: RDC on October 15, 2007, 06:29:00 PM: It could fail again before long (and most likely will at some point) or run like that for who knows how long. There seem to be a connection or two that will cause the thing to 3RL, but has no effect on how the 360 works in general and it is odd to see it function while showing that. I'm not sure if ya can get a controller to sync while it's doing that, and ya for sure loose the status function of the RoL. It will either 3RL and not work or get fixed again (for who knows how long) if ya go messing with the bolts again. I'd look into having it reflowed as that's a 'best option' to getting it repaired again.

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Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 15, 2007, 06:53:00 PM: thanks guys!
Sorry RDC but what exactly is "reflowed"?
QUOTE
I'm not sure if ya can get a controller to sync while it's doing that

my controller disconnected randomly, but i turned the controller back on and it reconnected fine :S

@ gabe
i have had no error codes at all
either it loads, or simply displays a black screen and then shows 3rlod after like 2 mins
and yeah i have been messin with the bolts but cant seem to find a position that stays fixed for along time
i think the screws are moving due to the spinning of the dvd drive
so i mite find a setting that works then glue gun them down??
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: D3AiGO on October 15, 2007, 07:09:00 PM: I also have done the x-clamp fix, however it doesnt last very long nor the heatgun method. The best solution I have found is to disconnect the fans, with av cable in turn on & leave for 2:30 min (may show 2lights meaning overheating try the power button to turn off, if it wont then it has worked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) switch it off at the mains) . This will allow the broken solder balls to reskin to the board and chip, leave it off for aprox 20mins before turning on. You could make a swtich to the fan which would save time opening if needed to do this again.

Best of luck

This post has been edited by D3AiGO: Oct 16 2007, 02:10 AM
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: somacast on October 15, 2007, 07:54:00 PM: f it keeps running with the 3 damn lights , means its nothing on the mother board , not cpu nor gpu , otherwise the game was gonna freeze or so ....

but could be the drive has a certain problem ...
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: RDC on October 15, 2007, 08:11:00 PM: QUOTE(slipknot89 @ Oct 15 2007, 08:53 PM)

thanks guys!
Sorry RDC but what exactly is "reflowed"?

Were the thing is heated up (properly) in an attempt to resolder the bad connections of the GPU/CPU that are causing the 3RLOD issues.

Over heating your 360 on purpose does not resolder jack, people need to stop with that, it also does nothing to 'soften up' the solder, it's only making the board/chip expand so the broken connections make contact again, then clamping down on it with more pressure from the X-clamp mod to hopefully keep them together, but it's nothing close to what a proper reflow attempts, nor is the heatgun method, and if ya are entertaining the latter idea to save some money don't get upset if it dies on ya from it and it makes it more difficult to be reflowed properly in the long run if it is done.

QUOTE(somacast @ Oct 15 2007, 09:54 PM)

f it keeps running with the 3 damn lights , means its nothing on the mother board , not cpu nor gpu , otherwise the game was gonna freeze or so ....

but could be the drive has a certain problem ...

Incorrect, this issue is GPU/CPU related and I have experienced it first hand as well, it's not a drive issue at all.
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 16, 2007, 03:24:00 AM: thanks for all the input guys
so i turn it on this mornin
and it seems it doesnt start UNTIL the 3lod come on? :S
i power on, and it black screens for like a minute (no green lights on the ring)
then 3rlod come on and it loads up fine and i can play it

so RDC you recommend that i turn off fans, leave on for a few minutes
then tighten up all my bolts?

QUOTE
but could be the drive has a certain problem ...

defo not a drive problem, the drive works fine (hitachi)
spins up fine and is having no reading errors (plus its nothing to do with 3lod)

EDIT: apart from maybe the vibrations of the drive is shaking my bolts loose? cos they've always moved when i open it up

This post has been edited by slipknot89: Oct 16 2007, 10:25 AM
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: RDC on October 16, 2007, 08:48:00 AM: I recommend having it reflowed properly and then the X-clamp replacement mod done to it, that would be your best bet and since it is working (for the most part) it has a much better chance of being resolved for a longer time frame having it 'fixed' properly. Over heating the thing on purpose I do not recommend. Just tightening or loosening the bolts a little bit may stop it from doing that also, it may also send it back to the 3RL state with no video and not booting up either, hence why having it reflowed is your best option, but will cost ya $50~$75 or so to have it done. It's entirely up to you as to what ya wanna try on it though, that's just my recommendation.
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: Eddie_the_Hated on October 16, 2007, 02:32:00 PM: RDC, where do you suggest getting a board reflowed? I wouldn't even begin to guess where to go to get that done.

By the way, nutty problem. I say enjoy it while you've got it, because it seems a little volatile if you ask me.

This post has been edited by Eddie_the_Hated: Oct 16 2007, 09:33 PM
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 17, 2007, 04:05:00 AM: @ RDC... where do you recommend that i can get it reflowed??

@ Eddie... haha i will enjoy it, nice little light show while i play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: RDC on October 17, 2007, 06:32:00 AM: @ Eddie_the_Hated and slipknot89 - There are 2 forum members that offer the service, superbee in Canada but also does ones from the US (I've sent 2 boards to him personally, xb360reflow.com) and bojngles in the US, he has a thread in the 360 B/S/T maintained by darkslide2911.

Any place that does BGA rework or repair on laptops and similar sized equipment should be capable of the work, and there may even be a place closer to you that is able to do it, you'd have to call and search around for places that do BGA rework to see and then they would probably have to look at the board to tell if it was something they could do or not if they aren't familiar with it.
Title: 3rlod But Still Works?
Post by: slipknot89 on October 17, 2007, 06:42:00 AM: Cheers RDC
unfortunately im in the UK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I'll just look around for places that do BGA reworks in the UK
Cheers for all ur help guys
i tightened up the bolts again tis mornin and the 3rlod are gone, and im all green (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)........at the moment anyways!