Post by: aubrey_76 on June 20, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
A friend of mine and I experiment with Xbox 360s and have been narrowing down EXACTLY what the codes are to keep from doing all the guessing. We had have pointed about 5 codes so far and the 0022 is definatley the CPU.
Error Code 0102 = GPU Connection to the mother board (GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
Error Code 0010 = South Bridge Connection to the mother board (South Bridge has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
Error Code 74 = We heated the ANA chip with a heat gun from the bottom of the board. Put 4.4 ounces of weight on top of the ANA chip and it works like a charm now.
Error Code 0103 = GPU Connection to the mother board (This error is by heating up the GPU and then pressing TOO HARD and the solder squishes out from underneath the chip)
I am doing tests on the RAM chips next. I will keep you posted on the results
Post by: knewson05 on June 20, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
I have something to include based on one certain console that I'm trying to fix right now for somebody. His box is coming up with the 0020 error code after about 10-15 seconds after boot up, and what I noticed was wrong with his board was when he tried the x-xlamp replacement, while screwing in the machine screws to the under side of the mobo, it looks like the screwdriver slipped and scratched right across 1 or possibly 2 of the traces.
So maybe 0020 means that there is a broken connection between 2 of the components. I honestly don't know for sure, but I might as well throw it out there and see if any one else notices this. Thanks again guys, this thread looks like it's gonna be a good one
One more thing, I hope you guys are working on figuring out that stupid 0110 code. Too frequent and inconsistent to diagnose.
Post by: jamestronix on June 21, 2007, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: superbee on June 23, 2007, 12:06:00 AM
What method of heat are you using to lift or unsolder the BGA? What means of inspection are you using to verify the lifted connections?
Post by: Bubbafish on June 23, 2007, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: aubrey_76 on June 23, 2007, 06:42:00 AM
I do not have the "EDIT" option for my posts, so I will do the updates this way until I get it.
A friend of mine and I experiment with Xbox 360s and have been narrowing down EXACTLY what the codes are to keep from doing all the guessing.
For orientation, the mother board is facing you with the "Ring of Lights" connection facing YOU and the "AV" and "Power connection" facing AWAY from you.
Error Code 0022 = CPU Connection to the mother board
(CPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
Error Code 0102 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Right" and "Rear/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board)
Error Code 0110 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board
Error Code 0021 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Rear/Right" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board
Error Code 0010 = South Bridge Connection to the mother board
(South Bridge has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
Error Code 74 = We heated the ANA chip with a heat gun from the bottom of the board. Put 4.4 ounces of weight on top of the ANA chip and it works like a charm now.
Error Code 0103 = GPU Connection to the mother board (This error is by heating up the GPU and then pressing TOO HARD and the solder squishes out from underneath the chip)
Post by: aubrey_76 on June 24, 2007, 09:49:00 AM
I do not have the "EDIT" option for my posts, so I will do the updates this way until I get it.
A friend of mine and I experiment with Xbox 360s and have been narrowing down EXACTLY what the codes are to keep from doing all the guessing.
For orientation, the mother board is facing you with the "Ring of Lights" connection facing YOU and the "AV" and "Power connection" facing AWAY from you.
Error Code 0022 = CPU Connection to the mother board
(CPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(Any area of the CPU that has a bad connection, will give you this error. If the GPU is good, it will take about 10-15 seconds before the ring of lights will flash with the three red lights. This is pretty much a guarantee that the CPU is the issue and will give you the 0022 error code)
Error Code 0102 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Right" and "Rear/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board)
Error Code 0110 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board
Error Code 0021 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Rear/Right" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board
Error Code 0010 = South Bridge Connection to the mother board
(South Bridge has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
Error Code 74 = We heated the ANA chip with a heat gun from the bottom of the board. Put 4.4 ounces of weight on top of the ANA chip and it works like a charm now.
Error Code 0103 = GPU Connection to the mother board (This error is by heating up the GPU and then pressing TOO HARD and the solder squishes out from underneath the chip)
Post by: bazooka on June 24, 2007, 10:46:00 AM
should make this sticky.
Post by: pr0j3ctxb0x on June 24, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
hope i helped a lil
Post by: aubrey_76 on June 24, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
pr0j3ctxb0x Posted Today, 07:14 PM
yes i must confirm 1 account that i got the 0110 error and i took my box apart as i was very mad. I firmly pressed as hard as i could on the gpu after i let it overheat on its own with the 3rlod. I let it cool while i kept a very forceful pressure on the gpu heatsink. After it cooled i released the pressure and it booted up fine for about an hour of play. This may have been coincidence but it seemed like it worked but i didnt try it again or anything else after that. just called ms and sent it in for repairs. i should get it back in a couple of days. But just for a control so that it wasnt just the over heating that made it work again i had done the towel trick twice b4 that and it didnt make it work at all.
hope i helped a lil
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I do more than one to give these errors before I post them. As far as what I have found to be the best way to repair this dreaded 3 red light is to:
1) clean all goup off of the CPU and GPU
2) put mother board (no tin foil) up on two boxes so that you can easily get a heat gun underneath the mother board to heat the GPU and CPU from the bottom.
3) Put 4.4 ounces of weight on top of the GPU and the CPU
4) Heat on HIGH for 3 minutes from underneath the board only giving LOVE to the GPU and the CPU
5) Let it COOL for 1 hour (Do not touch for anything)
6) After one hour, clean the GPU and CPU again and place ARTIC SILVER on both of them
7) Do Lawdogs (sorry if I mispelled your name) heatsink mod to the GPU and the CPU
(DO NOT SUBSTITUE ANYTHING ON THIS TUTORIAL OR IT WILL ERROR AGAIN!!)
8) Clean the fan with the Clorox Cleaning wipes (blades with dust do not expel heat)
9) You can do some fan mods if you want to, but I havent done any of them yet and I have been fine. They are still great mods to do if you can do them
10) Put back together and play.
(I have been running mine for almost two months and I havent had any problems. I get up in the morning to go to work, I turn my 360 on and leave it on all day. I come home, I sometimes play and sometimes not. If I dont play I still turn it off around the time I go to bed and let it cool. I then repeat the next day. So far so good. I have repaired a lot using this method and to date, no complaints)
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Post by: Anikachiktou on June 24, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
A video or some picture could be very useful.
Like the distance betwen your board and heat gun, your boxes setup.
And after all, a way to repair error 0020. I only have result with towel tricks. Sure it's a bad connection somewhere...but Where?
Anyway, don't give up!
Post by: wellmodded on June 24, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
if tht don;t work i try and leave the heatsink on the die and add a extra 4.4ounces and reheat on high form below and see what happen
hopefully that fixesm it
Post by: Hermann Neupert on June 25, 2007, 03:35:00 AM
And another thing, error 74 can be caused be a wrong connection I think are resistors under the gpu, if you can search my posts is a picture of the little thing that I broke accidentally doing a x-clamp replacement.
And more than once I get error 0020 by putting to much pressure in the rear left bolt of the GPU.
Hope that info help you making a more extensive Error code Guide.
Post by: aubrey_76 on June 25, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
Here is a picture of my setup. As far as the distance from the chip, I have the heatgun about one inch from the chips as I heat.
(IMG:http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z72/nkkssn24/IMG00005.jpg)
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Hermann Neupert @ Jun 25 2007, 06:05 AM) 
If it helps you one time I get one with error 0110 and when I press with my finger the front left memory it works so I found a way to put a little pressuare on it and then heat in high for a couple of minutes and since then is working fine.
And another thing, error 74 can be caused be a wrong connection I think are resistors under the gpu, if you can search my posts is a picture of the little thing that I broke accidentally doing a x-clamp replacement.
And more than once I get error 0020 by putting to much pressure in the rear left bolt of the GPU.
Hope that info help you making a more extensive Error code Guide.
IN terms of 0020 error i have put very little t almost not pressure on both the gpu and cpu and i still get the error hear is exactly what happened to my teh xbox
this present motherboard has 0020 error it 1st had 0102 error and i fixed that my xclamps replacement method and the board worked fine but then after about 17 hours of game play i got a power supply error and when i checked that out some soldering i did was touching the metal casing so i fixed that and when i put the board back 2gether the screen would be red and the xbox360 logo would be i the background so i took the board back out again to check any soldering that might have gone wrong no thing was wrong as far as i can tell and when i put the board back 2gether i starting getting 0020 error
when i 1st had the 0102 error i have relize that the bottom right corner board nuts had to slach enough for it to work
after i starting gettign the 0020 error i starting trying diffrent ways to bend the board but very slight
any waz i think i might of squished the solder 2gether on the gpu or cpu
i have used the heatgun but after i did it i didnl;t apply pressure to any gpu or cpu
so u think i should heat the board on high form underneath and apply tthose weights
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
i have a heatsink that aout 4.9 ounces can i use that to put ontop the gpu and cpu whn i am heating the boad from underneath
and if tht don't work would it be a good idea to put wieght on the northa dn south bridge and also the ram when i am heating
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 08:48:00 AM
just wondering did u say u turned on the motherboard with out a heatsink on the gpu??
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 09:37:00 AM
take off the heatsink off the gpu and over heat the gpu then turn off the system and put on the heatsink and then turn on the systme back and apply pressure to the top of the gpu??
could i do this with the motherboard out of the case
casue so far this is wht i have done i have put the heatsink on and pressed it down by hand and then turned on my system and i got the same 0020 error
i have also pressed each side of the gpu while the heatsink wazn;t on but i made sure i turned off the system to let the gpu cool so ti won;t get to hot
Post by: aubrey_76 on June 25, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
Now introduce the way that ME and JAMESTRONIX do it is by bringing the heat to the bottom of the board. Also by adding the weight you are getting the best connection you can get. After you have the best connection you KEEP IT THERE by doing the Xclamp replacement. The reason I see the red lights happeneing is like others are saying is the center of the Xclamp pushes up on the GPU and CPU. By pushing up in the center of the chip, it causes the edges of the chip to lose connection little by little until you get the 3ROL. The Xclamp replacement removes the upward pushing force on the center of the chip thus getting rid of the 3ROL.
In my tests, if you just power on the xbox 360 and allow it to overheat to correct the 3ROL, it only does if for a short time (20 minutes to 4 days).
The heat gun is the best next to a reflow oven, due to the amount of heat,j and you are concentrating the heat on the problem areas. I have never used a reflow oven, but it makes sense.
If you get an error that the 4.4 ounce method that I use does not work, then I suggest that you apply the 4.4 ounces to the GPU, CPU, and SOUTHBRIDGE. This should correct pretty much any problem that you have. Just do not give the SOUTHBRIDGE too much love with the heat gun as you will damage it and it will be useless.
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
for every test i mount the board back into the metal casing but didn;t bolt it down
1-I have tired the 4.4 ounce weight and heated from the bottom and test out still got 0020 error i have tired apply diffrent amout of pressure from each bolt also ( my heatgun is not a very hot heatgun so i did it for 4 min longer but maybe i ave to do it even longer with my heatgun
2- i have tired take off the gpu heatsink count to 3 second and thn turn of ( i don;t want o blow my gpu processor casue i now that happen 2 cpu processors thy literally explode whn thy get 2 hot) thn put the heatsink on and press it down and i still got 0020 error
3- i have applied pressure to each side the cpu and 2 side of the gpu while keep pressure on the die and i still got 0020 to appl;y the pressure wht i did was ptu some small metal washer on each side the gpu and thn bolt it down same thing for the gpu but only 2 side the washer could of fit on becasue of all the transistors on the gpu
and 0020 error stil presisted
4- i have tired bending the board in middle and turn it one same error ( i had some help me for this casue i had to bend the board with my hand i bent the board up and downward and i got the same error)
5- i have tryed using shik on both gpu and cpu to apply more pressure than need i still get the same error
SOME THING I MIGHT TRY BUT JUST GIVE YR OPION ONE THM
6- i might put reheat the board with same 4.4 ounce weigt but do i for 5 min and also put a weight on the
south bridge but not exactly sure which one is the south bridge need some help there ( the south brigde is the the ship tht shiny in the middel and black on the outer sides)
7- i migth apply a heaver weight on the cpu and gpu i would say 5.5-6 ounces
8-if all tht fails do heatgun above and below the board for 12min 1st 10min just keep distance o vary intensity to get the board hot thn i start concentrating on the gpu and cpu and give a bit to north and south bridge ( just a question about this i have used the heatgun before on 2board and got thm working with 0102 error but i never used the tin foil on those boards should i use the tin foin on this board i have done heat gun to this board twice but only for 4 min and i use the tin foil on this board so shoudl i use the tin foil or not ??
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
so now i think ia m going to heatgun for 12min which i did some 1 elce bored for at it worked thn i completly mount it back in the case using rbj MK1 method and test if that fails
thn i think i am going to heat the board up and coem the cpu and gpu with foil thn aimt he heatugn under where the board meeat the processor leave it to so it cna get nice and hot thn apply a weight on the die of the gpu and cpu
i don;t want to brun the die tht y i am puttig the foil i hope i don;t brun the foil any wza i think the board is dead
there no on in my country that cna reflow but i am still checking aroud
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
this the 2nd xbox360 i con;t get working and both thm had 0020 error
just wondering i been think about doing this i dont have a very hot air gun so i think baout another one wht themepature would be good ?? i heard ppl say 400C but i think tht 2 hot so i just like 2 now a temperature range
also do u think that if i get a air gun and aim it under the gpu and the board on low so that the solder becomes soft enough to press back think that would work??
if not how much would u charge for checking out this think and how much is it to ship to the UK
Post by: andjelko on June 25, 2007, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: wellmodded on June 25, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
i just got a xbox360 working migh apply more pressure to the front right and left rear bolt of the gpu heatsink
Post by: wellmodded on June 28, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: knewson05 on June 29, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
I have yet to pick up a heat gun to try on the 0110 box. The 0002 box doesn't even get power, the PSU goes green for a second, then goes back to orange. I've tested the PSU on mine, it's fine, I've checked the mosfets, and they look fine, and I've made sure there were no shorts from the washers.
Post by: CounterBlow on July 07, 2007, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: knewson05 on July 09, 2007, 12:04:00 AM
FYI - I actually have fixed one 0022 box, so I'm not just blowing these things out of my ass. I remember it being a little beeeaaaaaatch though.
Post by: gsm on July 09, 2007, 05:47:00 AM
QUOTE
Error Code 0102 = GPU Connection to the mother board
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Right" and "Rear/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board)
(GPU has a part of it raised up off the mother board)
(The "Front/Right" and "Rear/Left" of the GPU has a bad connection to the mother board)
What do you mean with "Front/Right" and "Rear/Left" ? What is your front/rear, right/left on the board?
Thanks!!
This post has been edited by gsm: Jul 9 2007, 12:51 PM
Post by: palote on July 09, 2007, 08:07:00 AM
i have a xbox360 with 3RLOD... i did the x-clamp replacement and i got the E74.. error and 0010
After a lot of research i heat the ANA chip with a hoTgun but not too much.. with circle movements. After that i cant boot my 360 and the PSU have a red light...
Do you think there is something i still can do??
Sorry 4 my bad english....
and thanks in advance to all
Post by: Wilz on August 08, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: proaudiosoft on August 08, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(aubrey_76 @ Jun 25 2007, 08:32 AM) 
Here is a picture of the way that I heat the GPU and the CPU. I use two Xbox 360 cases with the top wrapped in tin foil (to keep it from melting the plastic of course). I position it so that I have a clear shot of the complete underside of the GPU and the CPU. The weight on top of the GPU and the CPU is four nuts that I have wrapped in tin foil (again the reason for the tin foil is that I am trying to keep as much heat off the top of the board as possible) The nuts add up to be 4.4 ounces. I have put more weight before but it is too much as this seems to be perfect.
Here is a picture of my setup. As far as the distance from the chip, I have the heatgun about one inch from the chips as I heat.
Woah, the heatgun is 1 inch from the cpu/gpu, this seem a bit extreme. How long do you keep the gun there? thanks
Post by: hacktek on August 08, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: VeauX on January 13, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
Well there is a pretty nice amount of valuable information here! Thank to all the one participating.
Let me explain what I have on my side. I just got an error 74. this happened after seeing green bars on the screen when playing GTR3.
The sub error code is 1022 so no more help on this side. Y checked the cables witching from my VGA to the Component cable (which I almost never used) , I revised the cable with a multimeter too and all good so this is definitely on the box side.
My box is out of warranty (1.5 years of good service) so the CS want 100 to repair which I would prefer to put on a new "falcon" box adding 150 more dollars.
I opened the xbox and ll seems ok inside. before trying what Aubrey recommends (4.4pounds on the ANA chip and heating from bellow, I want to know if I should check something else.
Let me know
Post by: flippy10 on January 13, 2008, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Pnt.sharma on January 13, 2008, 06:16:00 PM